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director, James Cameron, and
star Arnold Schwarzenegger gave

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the world a chaotic mashup of
80s, fashion, music and death.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast, where each week, we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G.
And this week, we are continuing

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our James Cameron miniseries
with his 1984, classic the

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Terminator.
Now, if you've been paying

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attention to the podcast for the
last couple weeks, Brad shared a

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story about the root of his
hatred for all.

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Things 1980s.
And it was revealed that

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apparently, this movie was
responsible.

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This this is.
I felt like your therapist.

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Like we had drilled down to the
core of like what, what's been

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driving you for this whole
length of time?

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And it's entire podcast.
Alright, can you have for people

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who weren't listening to that
episode?

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Can you give us a quick rundown
of the history of your hatred of

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the 80s?
And why this movie sparked it?

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I just remember as like probably
a sixteen-year-old.

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I was sleeping over.
My best friend's house.

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We were up late playing video
games, and we turned on.

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We were just kind of cruising
the TV and we found the

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Terminator and it's probably
like, 3:00 or 4:00 in the

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morning Terminators on, we're
like laughing at it, because

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it's ridiculous.
And it's funny because watching

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it now, the seeds that really
stuck out to me, was I remember

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when they were in the Techno,
our club and just thinking to

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myself, the Is bad, the closer
bad?

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The music is bad.
All of this is just bad.

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And I remember thinking, why
does anybody like the 80s?

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It just didn't make any sense to
me and ever since then I've just

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kind of expanded my dislike to
many many aspect of the 80s.

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Now, this isn't to say that I'm
a complete anti 80s person.

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There are things that were good
that came out of the ATS.

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There is some good music.
There are some good movies but

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overall I don't think the 80s
were a great decade Bob.

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All right, so I have to follow
up questions immediately.

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The first is correct me if I'm
wrong here.

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It sounds like what you're
saying is not necessarily.

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I hated this movie so much, that
it led to my hatred of the 80s.

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But is it, is it true that you
would say me noticing these

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things about the 80s that then
led to my hatred of the 80s

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originated here?
Yes, 100% the second question.

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Then as a follow-up is like, did
you hate this movie?

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I don't remember hating it.
I mean, obviously, I have new

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thoughts now, that I've seen it
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I remember walking away from it
thinking, man, that was kind of,

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it was an action e action,
action movie?

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Sure.
Yeah, I think this is one of

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those movies, Brad that as we
get into it today, we're going

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to have to talk about the
historical context a little bit.

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And we're going to have to talk
about just how does this movie

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hold up almost 40 years after it
was released and after 40 Years

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of imitators, because this Is
such an influential movie.

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It cast a very long Shadow over
the genres of sci-fi and action

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and I think we've seen it done
so consistently and with

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improved technology and and you
know in some ways storytelling

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since then that it does make
this movie kind of feel like a

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relic of its time.
When in reality, this movie was

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way ahead of its time.
So it's going to be interesting

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to kind of situate it in that
context.

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But before we get into all that,
we're going to jump into a

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segment that we call Brad
explains.

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whiskey Brad.
This is maybe my favorite

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segment of the show.
I feel like we get to really put

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you on the spot.
We put 60 seconds on the clock

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for you to break down the plot
of a movie that you've just seen

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often for the first time now.
This is not the first time, as

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you've said that you've seen
this movie, but it's been a

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minute.
Yeah.

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Probably about half my life.
Well, with that many years of

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wisdom added.
I hope that this 60 seconds is

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enlightening for us Brad.
You've got It on the clock and

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go to soldiers are sent from the
future back in time to 1984.

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One of them is an Unstoppable.
Cyborg, who is whose task to

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kill a woman named?
Sarah Connor who is supposed to

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have a baby named.
John Connor, who will teach the

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humans, how to fight back
against the machines in the

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future.
The other Soldier is a human who

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is sent to protect.
Sarah Connor.

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Honor, and he ends up becoming
John.

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Connors baby daddy.
Hmm.

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And that's pretty much it.
That's the movie.

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That's, that's about it.
The chocolate sex scene?

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Yeah, awkward.
Sex scene will get into that

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too.
But, all right, Brad, where do

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you want to start today?
Because I've been trying to

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figure out how to approach these
Cameron episodes as a guy who

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really likes and appreciates
Cameron talking to you, who is

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in some ways, a Cameron
agnostic.

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And, you know, I went to the
Bree.

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I checked out three different
books on James Cameron and kind

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of critical appraisals of his
work.

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Looking at them through much
different lenses and like super

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high-end academic assessments of
James Cameron and if there's a

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recurring theme that I notice.
It's that at the beginning of

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all these books, they all kind
of acknowledge that Cameron's

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hard to pin down and that he
doesn't really come across as an

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auteur in the way that we
understand that word.

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And yet, there are kind of
consistent themes.

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There's Consistent genres that
he likes to play in.

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So we know that from movie to
movie, there are recognizable

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things about Cameron.
Even if he doesn't have some of

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the visual trademarks that we
would associate with other

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directors.
So, I guess, what I'm asking is

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this, like, I don't know how to
talk about Cameron in a way that

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seems deep or compelling, but I
also don't want to sell him

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short.
He's a really influential

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filmmaker and yet I look at the
last two episodes.

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So is that we've done and
they've probably been the two

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shortest episodes we've done in
the last, you know, four months.

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And I have a feeling that if we
wanted to, we could go like 45

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minutes on the Terminator and be
done for the day.

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Well, here's my question for you
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Bob Cameron is a filmmaker.
What do you think he did to like

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alter the direction of Cinema in
the 80s and 90s with, you know,

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some of his early, big films
like Terminator T2 Titanic?

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Like what do you think it was?
About his craft and what he

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produced that kind of tip the
needle and do a different

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direction.
I don't know, man.

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You know, one of the things that
they always say about Cameron is

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that if nothing else, he is a
master technician, like he has

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an engineer's mind and, you
know, there's a lot of a lot of

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his movies where the technology
wasn't available for him to make

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the movie that he wanted to
make.

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And so he either sat on it for a
couple of years or he just

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invented whatever camera was
needed to make that movie, he's

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right.
I mean, he really has

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contributed a lot on the
technical side.

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Side.
And I think he has this ability

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to know exactly what his movie
is going to require

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technologically and therefore to
know exactly what's needed from

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a budget and Technology
standpoint.

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The.
I mean he's like listen this

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movie is going to cost you 200
million dollars.

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But I'm going to give you
something that the world has

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never seen before and hmmm.
And he has a really good sense

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of exactly what needs to be
shown and how to show it.

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And And there's very few things
in a Cameron movie, that feel

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extraneous that feel like oh
that that should have gotten

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left on The Cutting Room floor,
he has Fantastic action set

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pieces in his mind, he films
them beautifully.

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And very you know we said last
week in a very direct way he

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gets in he gets you out and it's
like it's big-budget Blockbuster

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filmmaking but in a in the way
he makes the movie it feels very

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economical.
If that makes sense.

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Speaking of economical, our 47
minute movie.

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Thank you very much.
Thank you.

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Jim Cameron.
Big big fan?

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Yeah, I think it's interesting
to think about Cameron in the

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terms of the larger cinematic
world because when I when I look

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at the action films being made
in the 80s, you really don't

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think of things like aliens or
the Terminator, like the

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usually, they are so much easier
and so much more ridiculous.

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They often have very overt
political themes.

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Underpinning them that when you
get to Cameron's action movies,

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he he really does have a feel
for pacing and a feel for his

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audience in the sense that he's
not overt about the things he's

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trying to say, he's trying to
give you a really fun action

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movie and, you know, maybe keep
his his political stuff or his

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ideologies, a little bit
Underground.

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And at the same time though, you
definitely do start to see those

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seeds being sown here.
I think, you know, we talked

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about this in Avatar.
That one of the recurring themes

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of his movies, is this distrust
of the military industrial

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complex that whether it's the
military as the bad guys or the

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government as the bad guys or
just, you know, the commingling

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of those two as the bad guy.
It starts with this movie and he

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really develops that theme in
the second Terminator movie.

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But even here, you know, that
there is an evil Corporation.

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Action that built something that
got out of their control that

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caused essentially a nuclear
Armageddon.

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And so yes, I agree with you.
He is the kind of filmmaker that

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he's not.
He's not making his political

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message, super overt or
distracting you from the plot of

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the movie.
But he definitely takes stances

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on certain things at least in a
way that the common person would

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be like, yeah, like f the
government or yeah, f, f, the

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military industrial complex.
Like its political but it

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doesn't seem divisive if that
makes sense.

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Yeah.
No.

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It 100% does.
And honestly, to be able to do

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that nowadays, it seems almost
impossible.

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The the political realm seems
far more divisive than it used

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to be in the 80s.
But yeah the fact that he was

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able to do that in the 80s which
you know, had a lot going on

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Reagan, Cold War and and all
sorts of stuff.

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So So yeah, the fact that he's
able to do that is pretty pretty

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daggone impressive, Bob.
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good segue into talking about
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context.
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the show and between Rocky 1 and
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more and more ridiculous, and
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don't know what the term is
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the 80s.
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dude on steroids with two
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and he's covered in oil and he's
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that looks foreign and like he's
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whether it's Rambo or its
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movie here, the action movies of
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Of a piece with each other and
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really stick out from the bunch
like Diehard, like aliens and

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like the Terminator.
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that uses the template honestly,
when I was watching it through

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this time, I was like, oh, this
is actually like a really small

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film like there's not many
characters, it doesn't take

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place over more than like what
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And there's a few great Chase
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the world, element of it doesn't
feel As major as it comes to, in

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the second Terminator movie,
what this really is is a slasher

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movie, this is Michael Myers.
This is Halloween.

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It's a nameless, seemingly
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That kills all of this girl's
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as it chases after her.
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final girl.
So, like it's very clear.

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Cameron was influenced by movies
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slasher movie.
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time, Sci-fi and horror elements
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really smart way to do it.
And I think that's the the key

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impact that Terminator has is
that it seems like this is one

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of the first really raw gritty
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films that would make me feel
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to come, you know, 30 years
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The influence of a movie like
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human characters and not a lot
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the world that most of the film
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relatable, than many other
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to that point.
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the brilliant things about the
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low-budget to its Advantage
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day and doing it on a shoestring
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Then you can make it seem like
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may have even been.
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obviously places in l.a. that
were that CD.

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I was gonna say.
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trying to do is he's trying to
portray La in a way that would

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would make sense for the viewer
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Oh, I guess this is a place that
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fallout in five years or
whatever you like whatever it is

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like, yeah.
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version of La where everything
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grimy and gritty.
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have a huge budget to work with
in this movie, he covers for it

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by writing such a good story
where the look and feel and

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grime Enos of the movie play
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Yeah and it really makes for an
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I think if there's if there's
nothing else I can say for this

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movie, it's that Cameron like
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The Idea of setting and giving
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to play in.
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everything, you know, I keep
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relation to Blade Runner.
Have you ever seen the original

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Blade Runner?
I it's been on my list, man.

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I really want to watch.
It's a visually incredible movie

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and it's much more high-minded
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And it deals with really deep,
deep themes, and philosophy.

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Terminator, which is an action

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Chase movie, you know, wrapped
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kind of happens to have this
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and you're absolutely right.
There's a, this is a completely

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different type of sci-fi to a
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It's I don't want to keep saying
the word intimate, I don't want

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to call it an intimate story,
but it's the scale of it is very

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small even if the stakes are
very high and again it's one of

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those things where Cameron new,
I'm probably not going to get a

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very big budget, but I have this
great idea and he writes a story

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that can be executed with a
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which is essentially what he had
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It might have even been less
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or something.
But this is really one of the

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first movies that on a
mainstream level that deals with

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the concept of time travel and
and how messing with the

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timeline can mess up things in
the future or in the past, you

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know, and yada yada.
But like, this is before.

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Back to the Future, does that,
you know, a couple years after

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this.
And I think that people forget

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that when we go back and watch
Terminator that there really

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wasn't these super convoluted
time travel plot lines that we

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have.
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Avengers endgame, that movie
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to audiences in 1984 and and
Terminator for as simplistic as

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that time travel narrative.
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Now, it really did kind of Kick
this off.

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Yeah, I can't think of a ton of
like time.

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Evil movies that that really
sucked in the general public

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before.
This one.

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I mean, when did Back to the
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86.
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So it was, you know, at least a
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Yeah.
This seems like one of the one

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of the earlier, you know, Big
Time, Sci-Fi movies, that dealt

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with time travel that to this
day, I have friends who will

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talk about like the time travel
in Terminator and Skynet and

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cyber And and like they're like
into the world of the Terminator

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and that that I mean good for
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That's not the type of sci-fi
that I get really crazy about

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but you know sure.
And that's the thing too.

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Is like with with more
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become more convoluted because
they have to make each movie

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consistent with, in whatever
time line they're going for.

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But that's kind of why I love
the Simplicity of this.

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It's just like, hey I got sent
back in time.

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And you don't really realize it
yet and neither do I.

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But I'm going to be the father
of your child and that's why he

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sent me back and that's pretty
much like the extent of the time

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travel as she asked him a couple
questions about why couldn't you

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bring this thing back with you.
So there's a few rules

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established but other than that
all you really need to know is

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this bad thing is going to
happen in the future.

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And so the bad guys came back to
the past to kill you before it

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can happen.
So like it, I mean, it's just

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well, it's a great setup.
I think one of my favorite

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things about the the Story that
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humans win the war like that.
Like it's such, it's almost a

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throwaway line because it's not
important to the plot of this

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film, but the idea that the
humans go on to win because of

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her son, gives the entire Chase
and you know her trying to

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escape a sense of meaning like
if she's able to make it away

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from this Terminator then you
know, she is the savior of

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humanity and I do Know why?
But I, I just really loved the

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fact that Cameron just gives you
that as an audience member like,

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I feel like nowadays, you would
never get that piece of

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information because while we
don't know if the humans when

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there are not because we need to
make more movies, but in this

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Cameron's, like, no, like this
is the savior of humanity.

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Humans win.
They destroy the time travel

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place.
And so, you know, Reese has to

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save her and impregnate her,
right?

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All right, man, let's talk
performances here.

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And I, you know, we've gone 20
minutes without talking about

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the performances, but I think
that's actually okay, because

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there's really only three main
actors in this movie, you've got

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Linda Hamilton, as Sarah Connor,
you've got Michael, biehn as

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Reese and you've got Arnold
Schwarzenegger as the

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Terminator.
And I thought you were going to

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say, Paul.
Winfield is Lieutenant tracks.

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The funny thing is, I actually
did want to bring them up Paul

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Winfield and then Lance
Henriksen, who is a James

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Cameron regular and who we
really didn't talk about that

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much in Aliens.
But Is fantastic in that movie

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and actually thinkable actually
think he's really good here too

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as the comic relief element of
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I don't know that I need to say
more about them but it's worth

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mentioning.
Yeah, no I really liked

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Henrickson in this, I really
liked Winfield a lot.

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I thought he he brought a sense
of Gravitas to the comedic role

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that I don't know, I just really
appreciated, he had a he had a

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solidness about him.
There you go.

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I'm going to say that about you.
When we turn in podcast episode,

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that's like a 7 out of 10.
Yeah.

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Brad you have a solidness about
you today.

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What did you what did you think
about Earl Bowen?

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As the the psychiatrist if there
was anybody in this movie that I

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wanted to see get killed?
Yeah you know like a that you

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dude so I guess that means he
played that role really well.

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All right, let's get into our
three main performers here, I

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guess.
Let's start with Michael biehn,

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because even though he is kind
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He's also in a lot of ways, the
least important character in the

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movie or at least I guess I
could say the least iconic,

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right.
Sarah Connor has become an

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iconic character in cinema.
And obviously the Terminator is

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an iconic character and so I
feel like poor Reese gets left

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in the dust a little bit here,
but I mean he does he does get

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the famous line.
Come with me if you want to

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live, right?
But then Arnold steals it from

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him in the second movie and
makes it his own.

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So it's like a row.
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Yeah, he has.
He has nothing in his in his

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side of the column here.
It probably sounds a lot better

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coming out of Arnold's.
Mouth, what did you think of his

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performance Brad Arnold?
No, Michael, biehn, Michael

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biehn.
I thought he was fine.

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Yeah, I think that my favorite
part of his performance.

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Is that you can tell that he's
seen some stuff in his life, you

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know what I mean?
Like, that that is easily the

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best part of his performance.
The fact that he takes this so

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daggone, seriously, tells you
how terrible it has been in the

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future.
Even if Cameron didn't give you

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the flashbacks, / flash-forwards
right now, I don't know what to

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call him in a time travel.
You'd still Get the impression.

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Even if he didn't include those
as what you're saying, is

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exactly.
You would get the sense that it

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gets pretty, pretty bad for the
humans in the future.

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And it's all because of how
seriously he takes his

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performance.
I think his performance is at

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his best when he has less
dialogue to work with and I

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don't necessarily think that's
because he's bad at delivering

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dialogue.
Like I thought his chemistry in

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aliens with Sigourney Weaver was
10 times better than his

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chemistry.
Here with Linda Hamilton.

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And a lot of that is just the
character in the way he's being

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directed to give those like kind
of ridiculous lines in this

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movie.
But the physicality of the

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performance, I thought was the
best part of it that opening

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scene where he's being chased by
the cops into like the

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department store and and putting
on different kinds of clothes.

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And it's pretty much a silent
sequence but it's really

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compelling and that whole escape
from the police.

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They set it up in a way that you
can tell That Arnold's character

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seems much more Invincible than
this guy does, but if you don't

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know the story of the film until
that first flashback or

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flash-forward, where you can see
that, he is a human fighting

447
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,700
against these machines, you
don't know if they're sending

448
00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:42,000
two machines from the future to
kill Sarah Connor or you know,

449
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:44,900
one really strong man and one
somewhat weaker, man.

450
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,300
And so you see him as maybe a
threat and yet there's still

451
00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:52,800
something about that performance
and the I like the look on his

452
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,900
face of getting chased like he's
getting chased by the hounds,

453
00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:59,400
right.
And it's so compelling that even

454
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,600
if you're not sure, if he's a
bad guy, he sucks you into the

455
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,500
movie and you're kind of on his
side, even while kind of keeping

456
00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:08,200
him at a distance.
I think it's a really great

457
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,000
balancing act that he's able to
pull off in those early scenes.

458
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,100
And I think it's something that
they, they kind of, you know,

459
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:19,400
rip off on in The Matrix that
the opening scene of The Matrix

460
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:23,300
you know, by, by all Means
Trinity should be the bad guy.

461
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:28,100
And yet she you can just tell,
by the way, she's acting that.

462
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:31,900
Like no, there's something up
here and she's actually, you

463
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:34,900
know, our early protagonist in
that film.

464
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:37,500
I think it's like comparison.
Yeah, yeah.

465
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:41,200
That was something that hit me.
Honestly, you can't watch the

466
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,400
Terminator without thinking
about the Matrix on some level,

467
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,800
there's a decent amount of
similarities there.

468
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,500
Alright, let's move into Arnold
Schwarzenegger as the Nader.

469
00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:55,100
This is obviously, he was like
the most famous person attached

470
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:57,600
to this movie, but this was one
of his very first film's.

471
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,600
He had made Conan the Barbarian
which was a big box office

472
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,500
success and Cameron really
wanted to get him in this movie,

473
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,900
but Schwarzenegger wanted to
play res.

474
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,700
When he first read the script,
he thought he was going to be

475
00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:12,700
the good guy, and Cameron had to
talk him into being the bad guy

476
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:15,000
in the movie.
And there's a very famous story

477
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,800
where, you know, Cameron and his
producer, take Schwarzenegger

478
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,600
out to lunch and the objective
of the lon He has to convince

479
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,400
him to be the bad guy in this
movie and while they're at

480
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,800
lunch, they realize that Cameron
forgot his wallet at home.

481
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:32,000
And so you know, it's very
unprofessional to not be able to

482
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,900
pay for your stars meal and they
thought they just kind of like

483
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:39,100
wait it out till Arnold left
will Arnold, just kind of like

484
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:41,600
held court for hours and hours
and eventually they all had to

485
00:27:41,608 --> 00:27:44,500
leave and Cameron had to admit
that he didn't have the money

486
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,200
and but shorts and Egger to his
credit was like, I got this,

487
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,500
I've been there before, I know
what it's like I've At this.

488
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:54,800
And they said that was actually
like a really great bonding

489
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,400
moment.
And without that happening,

490
00:27:56,700 --> 00:28:00,100
Schwarzenegger might never have
trusted Cameron, you know, to

491
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:02,500
make something out of his
performance as a bad guy.

492
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:05,400
I think it's, I mean, it's a
cool story because there's not

493
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,900
much to say about the
performance.

494
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:12,300
It is, it's so iconic in the
history of Cinema, and it's not

495
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:14,600
really acting.
It's just Arnold with a Blank

496
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,600
Stare, being as robotic as
possible, and yet there's still.

497
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,900
So it's just still so cool to
watch.

498
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,900
Watch him do that.
Yeah, well, I mean he, you know,

499
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:28,300
he took a whole month just to
work with weapons to get to the

500
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:30,900
point where he could assemble
and disassemble them

501
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:33,600
blindfolded.
He got to the point where he

502
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,600
could use pretty much any weapon
in either hand without making it

503
00:28:37,608 --> 00:28:41,200
look awkward.
And like he, like he put in a

504
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,700
heck of a lot of work to get to
the point where he could

505
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:51,000
convincingly be robotic in every
single thing that he did in the.

506
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:54,900
Film and truly it is really
really impressive.

507
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,600
Yeah, totally agree.
Alright and then you've got

508
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,200
Linda Hamilton who I think I'm
just going to be frank about

509
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:07,600
here and say is way better in
Terminator 2 than she is in

510
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,800
Terminator.
And I don't think that means

511
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,000
that she does a bad job here.
I also don't really necessarily

512
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,000
think it means that her
character is badly written here.

513
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:20,800
It's just that you haven't seen
her.

514
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,400
Her live-in to the quote-unquote
destiny of like, where the Sarah

515
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,700
Connor.
Character goes in the second

516
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:30,700
movie, she's just figuring
things out and she's on the run

517
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:33,200
and she's trying to survive, and
she is very much.

518
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,100
The female protagonist of a
slasher movie here, even though

519
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:42,400
I buy her fear, I just don't
know that there's a lot there to

520
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,900
her character or two her
performance of it for me to

521
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:48,500
like, spend a ton of time on
know.

522
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:54,000
I'm 100% with you, I, I That she
has moments where when she's

523
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,000
asking questions and like
learning things about the world

524
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:02,100
is when I think she's at her
best she has an ability to

525
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:05,800
engage with the characters
around her that is really

526
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,700
meaningful.
Whereas when she's just kind of

527
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:14,600
on the run or she's by herself
she just kind of has a blankness

528
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,900
to her face.
That doesn't convey quite as

529
00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:21,300
much as I would want it to.
But for the most part, Part if

530
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:25,400
she's ever in conversation with
someone else, I really love what

531
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,200
Linda Hamilton is doing.
All right, man.

532
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,800
I think we're in a really good
spot here to take a break and

533
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,300
try this Nelson's.
Greenbrier, what do you say?

534
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:41,200
Let's get to it.
All right.

535
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,800
So, today we are trying Nelson's
Greenbrier Tennessee.

536
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,300
Whiskey Brad.
This is a two-year aged stated.

537
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,000
I guess it's not a two-year aged
stated.

538
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:57,000
It is a straight whiskey that is
aged for two years minimum at 91

539
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,100
proof.
It clocks in at and a pretty low

540
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:02,200
price point now.
Nelson's Greenbrier has been

541
00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:05,200
Making Waves lately in the world
of Tennessee whiskey.

542
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,000
They just released a couple new
Expressions this year, one of

543
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,200
which we tried on a bonus.
So Brad, what was that called?

544
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,000
It's called Nelson Brothers,
classic bourbon, I think and we

545
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,200
really like that, like, it was
really, really good.

546
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:24,200
And I say that because I
originally picked up a bottle of

547
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,600
this Nelson's Greenbrier
Tennessee, whiskey thinking

548
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,500
like, oh this looks cool and I
like Tennessee, whiskey, and

549
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:33,100
we'll see where it goes.
And I thought it was really,

550
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:38,100
really bad and it was, it was
slated for an episode earlier

551
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:40,600
this season.
But then the people well, at

552
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,800
Nelson's, Greenbrier reached out
to us and said, like, hey, do

553
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,100
you want to try this new
product?

554
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:46,400
And I was like, sure.
And I was like, well, I can't

555
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,900
put this review out where I
think their whiskey is bad

556
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:50,300
before they send me the new
stuff.

557
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,900
And so we tried the new stuff
and thank God.

558
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:56,400
Like it was really, really good,
but now I'm like, all right, we

559
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,900
need to go back and revisit this
because I don't it's been so

560
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:01,200
long since I've tried it.
I'm like, I don't remember what

561
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,600
I disliked about it.
But now that they at least know

562
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,900
that we raved about one of their
expressions, I'll feel better,

563
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,300
if I still don't like this.
This one, yeah, I was going to

564
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:16,900
say I've already drank this.
I've given my scores suffice to

565
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:18,500
say, it's young.
Hmm.

566
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:24,500
So, Yeah, all right.
Well let's let's jump into it

567
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:26,900
then because I just poured it
out in front of me, it's been

568
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:30,300
breathing for a couple minutes
but I have not retried this for

569
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:33,500
months and months and months.
So as you give your nosing

570
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:35,600
notes, Brad I'll take a with
here.

571
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:40,700
Yeah, on the nose.
This is very very grain forward

572
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:45,800
very yeasty almost like doughy
there's a little bit of

573
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,400
sweetness there.
There's some caramel it almost

574
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,200
turns into like a Ali young,
peppery, kind of note, but

575
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,400
overall, it's a decent nose.
I'll give it a 7 out of 10, but

576
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:02,400
it's pretty young.
It is pretty young.

577
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,000
And honestly, the grain that's
sticking out to me, the most

578
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,100
here is the barley.
That's in this, this almost

579
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:12,000
smells like a really.
I don't know, lower shelf

580
00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:15,600
blended Scotch to me in a lot of
ways like it definitely is in.

581
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,600
It has the sweetness, you know,
from the corn of a Tennessee

582
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,400
whiskey.
I know there's wheat in this as

583
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,900
well.
That's probably playing into it

584
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:24,900
a little bit but I was really
shocked at how much The Barley

585
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:26,600
was jumping out of this one at
me.

586
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,200
You're absolutely right.
There's not a ton of complexity,

587
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,500
I got some green apple on this
which I really liked there is

588
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:37,100
some general, like waves of
vanilla that are coming through

589
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:42,600
General waves, but it does smell
young and it smells really grain

590
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,100
forward.
I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be

591
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,800
hopeful about it, I'll give it a
six out of ten on the nose.

592
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:53,100
Yeah, once we get into the
palette, Young grainy to me.

593
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:57,400
It almost had like a corn starch
kind of flavor going on and I

594
00:33:57,408 --> 00:34:01,000
got a little bit of spiciness.
There was some clove going on

595
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,200
for me but it definitely took a
bit of a step back.

596
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,200
I'll give it a six out of ten
Bob.

597
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:10,699
Oh this is significantly better
than it was when I tried it the

598
00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:14,699
first time.
Do you remember when we had a

599
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:19,199
certain bourbon sent to us that
we always use as our kind of

600
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,600
Benchmark for Bad Bourbon and
it's not just mark it and if not

601
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:29,300
Benchmark and there was like
that that rotten wet cardboard

602
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:32,800
Funk coming off of it.
Yeah very specific.

603
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:35,600
I remember it.
First time I had this that was

604
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,600
there and I was like, oh my
gosh, this is awful.

605
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,000
It's not there anymore.
I am very happy to say but I'll

606
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,300
tell What it still tastes like
Scotch to me a little bit.

607
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:50,400
This tastes like if you took a
lower shelf Bourbon and mixed it

608
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,300
with lower shelf Scotch, you
were like hey what does Cutty

609
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:57,900
Sark taste?
Like if I put it in my Benchmark

610
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:01,200
Bourbon and that's kind of what
I'm getting on this unless I'm

611
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,500
drinking something that you're
not.

612
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:06,300
But I've got my bottle that
says, Nelson's Greenbrier I like

613
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:08,500
it.
It doesn't have those notes for

614
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:11,600
me, that I was getting the first
time and that is a huge relief.

615
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:15,300
Not great, it's young but I'm
still going to give it a six out

616
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:17,800
of ten here.
Yeah and the finish I'll also

617
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,100
give a 6 out of 10.
It get Sookie.

618
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:23,200
There's some pepper.
It definitely retains a really

619
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,100
yeasty doughy feel to it.
Kind of like literally like if

620
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:32,300
you just took a little bit of a
bite of raw, do you know it's

621
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:34,500
fine?
Yeah, I mean this is a good

622
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:36,300
mixer.
I don't think that any of the

623
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:40,600
flavors are bad.
It's just fine and every once in

624
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,900
a while you're like oh that's
stuck out.

625
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:45,700
Little bit and like, I don't
know what to call it a sour note

626
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:49,900
in this, it's just not aged long
enough, it's not well-rounded

627
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:51,700
enough.
I do think you could throw this

628
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:53,300
in with some coke.
You probably be pretty happy

629
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:57,000
with it.
So yeah on the finish I'll give

630
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,100
it a, I don't know, a five and a
half out of ten.

631
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,200
Yeah.
And then the balance it stays

632
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,400
consistent throughout but it's
consistently met.

633
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,300
So I'll give it a six and a
half.

634
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,800
Yeah, I'll stick it a 6 here.
I think where I'm going to

635
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,600
punish this.
The most is on the value

636
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,500
category.
I think in the state of Ohio,

637
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:20,700
this clocks in at around thirty
dollars, Brad, right at $30 Bob,

638
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:23,900
there you go and $30.
This is, this is overpriced,

639
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,300
there's a lot of things you
could get for this price point.

640
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,100
I mean, honestly, you could pick
up a bottle of like Maker's Mark

641
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:31,600
for less than this and I think
Maker's Mark is better than this

642
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:33,900
because it doesn't have that
youthful note to it.

643
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,400
It's a, it's a craft Distillery.
This is one of their initial

644
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,700
releases and its really young,
as a result of that.

645
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,700
I will say that that Nelson
Brothers whatever it's called

646
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:47,300
Nelson Brothers, classic or
whatever.

647
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,900
Really really good much better
than this.

648
00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:52,300
If you can find that on the
Shelf, I would pick that up in a

649
00:36:52,308 --> 00:36:55,000
heartbeat.
But for me, the value on this is

650
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,400
like a four and a half out of
ten.

651
00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:58,400
Man.
Yeah.

652
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,700
See I would say putting it at
$30.

653
00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:02,400
I feel like most small
distilleries.

654
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,100
It starts off at a minimum of
like 45 or 50.

655
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:06,600
That's true.
So, yeah, that's right.

656
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:10,700
I think this is like based on
that standard, it's an okay

657
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:12,600
value.
I'll give it a six out of ten on

658
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,400
value II.
Think it's okay but honestly I

659
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,600
wouldn't recommend this Bob.
All right so what's that

660
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,600
bringing you out to here Brad?
I'm gonna 31.5.

661
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,700
Alright I'm at a 28 so we're not
that far off from each other.

662
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:30,500
We're at a 59 And a half out of
100 or a twenty nine point seven

663
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:33,200
five out of 50.
You know generally anything

664
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,100
below that 30 Mark it's pretty
obvious that we're not going to

665
00:37:36,107 --> 00:37:39,000
recommend.
I don't really recommend trying.

666
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,900
I definitely don't recommend
buying it's not the worst

667
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:44,600
whiskey that we've had on this
show by a long shot.

668
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,400
But even from this Distillery,
there are better options. 100%

669
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,800
Bob.
Yeah, I'm very much so with you

670
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,200
there.
All right.

671
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,200
That was relatively painless.
I was seriously, I was thinking

672
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,200
this was going to be like one of
the worst whiskies I've ever

673
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,900
had, like a 20 out of 50.
It was much much better than

674
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:02,400
that.
So, all right Brad.

675
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,500
Let's get back into talking
about the Terminator.

676
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:14,700
What do you say now?
All right, everybody that was

677
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:18,500
Nelson's Greenbrier a whiskey.
We are okay with being done

678
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:24,500
talking about, it wasn't that
bad but honestly like it wasn't

679
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:25,300
that good.
Yeah.

680
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:29,000
That's the thing is like, you
know, if, if I was the marketing

681
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,400
team for that brand, I'd be like
that's your slogan.

682
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,900
There, Nelson's Greenbrier
Tennessee.

683
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:35,300
Whiskey.
It's not that bad.

684
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:40,600
It's TS whiskey.
Yeah, seriously, I don't I don't

685
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,600
want to alienate fans of this
Distillery because what they're

686
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,900
doing with their newer
Expressions is a hue, really a

687
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:48,400
huge step up from this.
Yeah.

688
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,100
That know that what we had
earlier this year really was

689
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:57,500
from what I remember like a 38
to 41 out of 50, type 0 type of

690
00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:58,400
whiskey.
So yeah.

691
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,800
Yeah, Nelson is doing some great
stuff.

692
00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:03,700
Just not this one, just not this
one.

693
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:05,100
You know what else is doing some
great stuff.

694
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:07,900
Bob me with two facts in a
falsehood.

695
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:10,000
Yep.
With your wind too.

696
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:12,200
Make your losing streak last
week.

697
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:14,700
Brad.
I know that I've made this

698
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:17,500
comparison before but I really
do feel like the Cleveland

699
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:21,600
Browns in some ways because I
win just enough to give my fans

700
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,900
hope but with no real hope of
doing anything in the

701
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:28,900
postseason.
You know, ya know, that that

702
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:33,000
totally makes sense, man, I've
been there many many years, so

703
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,500
all right, this year included,
for those of you who are not

704
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:39,400
initiated two facts.
In a falsehood is the segment of

705
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,500
the podcast, where Brad presents
three items to me.

706
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:46,300
All of them asked, Fact, one of
which is a complete fabrication

707
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:51,200
that he made up on his own and
you've been doing a real good

708
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,400
job of fabricating this season
Bradley.

709
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:58,800
I mean honestly I feel like
you're just under 500 which I

710
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,600
mean the goal of any competitive
Endeavor is you know, to make

711
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,000
sure that the fans get some wins
some losses.

712
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,100
So I think we're, I think we're
doing a great job here, Bob,

713
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:10,600
alright.
Well let's see, if I can keep my

714
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,100
hot streak of one win going this
week.

715
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:15,800
Hit me with your two facts in a
falsehood Brad.

716
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,800
Fax number one before, Arnold
Schwarzenegger was given the

717
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,000
titular role o.j.
Simpson was considered for the

718
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,800
role but the producers feared,
he was too nice to be taken

719
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,700
seriously as a cold-blooded
killer, yikes.

720
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,400
Fact, number two, the semi that
runs over the Terminator.

721
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,900
At the end of the film is the
exact same make and model.

722
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:43,400
As the toy truck that the
Terminator runs over at the

723
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,600
start of the film.
Hm.

724
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:50,800
Fax number three, the Hunter
Killer Robots were originally

725
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,200
called select destruction
infiltrators, but had their name

726
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,600
changed because of Reagan's
Strategic Defense Initiative

727
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,100
also known as SDI.
Oh that's interesting.

728
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,100
I will say I have heard number
one before whether or not,

729
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:08,800
that's a Hollywood legend or
not.

730
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,500
I I'm 99.9% certain that you
didn't make it up for this

731
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:15,800
purpose so we're going to
consider that a fact so that

732
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:21,100
leaves us with two or three and
three sounds pretty plausible.

733
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:25,000
But so does, so does to, I think
that would be kind of kind of

734
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,900
cool.
A little cool, little call back

735
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,500
the Strategic Defense
Initiative.

736
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:33,200
Did it start as early as 83-84
that?

737
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,600
I don't know.
But it sounds pretty cool.

738
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,900
So I am going to say to is the
falsehood and I'm basing that on

739
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:48,600
nothing but that's just my gut.
Bob your gut has led you astray

740
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:54,500
let's three.
The Horseman three was man the

741
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:57,900
Strategic Defense Initiative did
come out in 1983 though.

742
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:01,000
Okay.
So so the timing was there.

743
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,300
It's just you know you're really
good at making a pretend facts

744
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,400
about history.
I did a couple 10 facts about

745
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,100
history.
Yeah the the semi that runs him

746
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:13,700
over is actually the same make
and model as the toy at the

747
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:16,400
start of the film.
That's really funny, isn't it?

748
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:19,800
There's a there's a big semi
chase in Terminator 2 and now

749
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,300
I'm really interested to see if
Cameron brought back the same

750
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:28,000
type of semi truck again in TT,
that honestly would be really

751
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,600
funny.
All right, man, where do you

752
00:42:29,607 --> 00:42:32,700
want to go from here?
I think we've we've talked about

753
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,500
the historical context.
We've talked about the long

754
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:39,100
shadow that it cast Over sci-fi
in the Years following it.

755
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:42,800
What do you feel is left?
Unsaid so far Brad?

756
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,500
Well I mean the most Important
thing with any action film is

757
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:48,800
the action.
Mmm.

758
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,100
So like, let's talk about the
cinematography.

759
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:52,500
Let's talk about the sound
design.

760
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:57,400
Like, let's let's get into what
makes this really, you know,

761
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,800
hour and 30 minute, Chase movie,
so great and so memorable.

762
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:04,500
Yeah, I think that's really good
place to start here.

763
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:08,800
Because from here on out,
Cameron's ideas, get bigger, and

764
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,300
Bolder and more, ambitious and
more sprawling.

765
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,100
Even aliens compared to.
This is like I can't believe

766
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:19,600
that there were no movies in
between Terminator and aliens

767
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,700
from yeah director standpoint.
I know he got a much bigger

768
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:27,400
budget for aliens but just the
scope of that movie, it seemed

769
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,400
within two years like, he went
from being a fairly new

770
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,500
filmmaker to a seasoned Pro, and
I think he directs the hell out

771
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:38,700
of this movie, but that movie
just seems like so much more of

772
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:41,400
a huge undertaking than this
one.

773
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,800
Did I think the action is
directed really well, and Movie.

774
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,700
I think that final Chase
sequence is really really well

775
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:52,500
done but it's kind of also.
Like I've seen James Cameron

776
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:58,600
action for 40 years after this
movie and so this does feel like

777
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,100
the most rudimentary version of
that.

778
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,300
It doesn't mean it's bad but
it's just kind of I feel like I

779
00:44:04,308 --> 00:44:05,900
have to grade on a curve a
little bit.

780
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:10,500
Yeah.
I mean for me it's moments like

781
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:15,200
when Arnold walks into the
police station talks to the

782
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,400
clerk for a minute, tells him
famously that he'll be back.

783
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:23,700
And then a car drives through
the window, like he comes back.

784
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:29,000
Yeah, and heat a 100% comes back
and for me, I honestly think

785
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,800
that the police station is is
one of the best scenes of the

786
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:38,100
film because there's so much
chaos going on and Cameron just

787
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:42,700
chooses perfectly who to shoot
from the perspective of like,

788
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:45,300
you get moments from Sarah
Connors perspective.

789
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:48,900
You get moment from Traxler and,
you know, some of the other

790
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:53,000
police officers perspectives And
then you get some moments from

791
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,400
Arnold's perspective, as he's
just mowing down these police

792
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,300
officers.
And I think that it creates just

793
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:03,500
enough chaos, but he gives you
just enough information about

794
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:07,200
the layout of the station that
it makes for an incredibly

795
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,700
compelling sequence of violence.
One of the things that I

796
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:14,200
remember talking about when we
did Titanic was that on that

797
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,900
watch through for the podcast
never before had the loss of

798
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:22,700
human life.
In that movie hit me so hard it

799
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:27,000
hit me the way that the D-Day
sequence in Saving Private Ryan

800
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,300
did.
Yeah and I really felt like

801
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:35,300
Cameron who is a guy who loves
violence in his movies is really

802
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:39,700
underrated at the way that he
uses the impact of the violence

803
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:43,500
to inform the story in so many
of these 80s movies.

804
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,800
There are guys getting mowed
down by machine guns left and

805
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,600
right, you know, even look at
die-hard diehards, a great

806
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,700
action movie.
But the deaths in Die.

807
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:55,700
Hard are more like that was
awesome.

808
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,800
Then.
Oh my gosh, like I feel the

809
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,900
impact of the loss of this life
and when the Terminator goes

810
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:05,100
into the police station,
obviously it says something

811
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:09,000
about the character that even
the most heavily armed building

812
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,100
in town, is no match for this
thing but it's also like the way

813
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:18,400
that the Terminator.
So coldly and easily dispenses

814
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:24,400
with These two top characters
that we've really come to be

815
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,200
fond of and it doesn't feel like
Cameron's just throwing them

816
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,300
away.
It feels like, wow, this loss of

817
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:35,100
life is really profound and even
though this is an incredibly

818
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:39,400
violent gun driven sequence, I
feel like it was really

819
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,100
necessary for the story that
like they never just feels like

820
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:45,100
Cameron loves.
Cameron is in love with guns and

821
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:48,700
so he has to have guns in his
movie, like the impact of that.

822
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:53,900
The brutal violence is felt and
I think you see it from his

823
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:55,600
first real movie, which is this
one.

824
00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:59,800
And I think that what it does
for the story is really, really

825
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,700
great as well in that there are
all these barriers between the

826
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:09,000
Terminator and Sarah Connor, and
they are all slowly Stripped

827
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,000
Away until it's just her against
him.

828
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,900
And that, you know, she has to
finish him off, right?

829
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:20,000
And so, I think that the death
of Traxler and I can't Remember

830
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,700
Lance henrickson's character's
name but but their deaths really

831
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:29,100
show like it's now just recent
her against him.

832
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:33,400
And if we're being honest, they
have no chance and I think

833
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,300
that's that's what really makes
that that sequence really

834
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:40,800
impactful and, you know, not
just from the violence that it

835
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,000
shows.
But from a story perspective of

836
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,900
moving the story forward and I
think that's the other thing.

837
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:50,500
I like about what Cameron does
here, is that Every bit of

838
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:55,300
violence is so purposeful and
gets the Terminator.

839
00:47:55,300 --> 00:48:00,000
One step closer to his ultimate
goal of killing Sarah, Connor

840
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:04,300
and even as it strips away
resources from him, you never

841
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:06,100
are in any doubt that he's going
to win.

842
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:08,300
Mmm.
And so that's that's what makes,

843
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:11,200
you know, her Victory.
So meaningful and going along

844
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,300
with your point about how each
of those layers of protection

845
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:17,200
are stripped away from her.
I think Cameron does a really

846
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,900
good job, especially towards the
end of the movie with the

847
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:24,900
reaction shots that he films of
Michael, biehn and Linda

848
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:28,100
Hamilton.
Where every time the Terminator

849
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:30,400
is still alive, they cut back to
them.

850
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,900
And it's this look of Terror.
But also this look of defeats

851
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:39,000
like, no, no, I thought we had
it this time and, you know, it

852
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,700
happens when he rises from the,
wreckage of the semi-truck.

853
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:46,500
It happens after re sticks like
a stick of dynamite inside of

854
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:49,400
him and he blows up and then
just the Torso Was still

855
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:54,300
Crawling After her, it really
hammers home, this idea like you

856
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:58,100
said that he will never be
stopped and he's gonna win.

857
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,800
And I think that those little
human touches are what really

858
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,700
help to elevate this above.
Just this is a Michael Myers

859
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:09,200
movie.
But Michael Myers is a robot

860
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,700
this time.
I will say, probably the most

861
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:19,100
obvious slasher horror film part
of this is when Arnold goes Goes

862
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:22,700
and kills, Sarah, Connors
roommate and her boyfriend.

863
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:26,900
Mmm, because dude, the moment
when she walks back to the room

864
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:30,300
and the boyfriend just gets
slammed through the door and

865
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:33,100
it's just blood everywhere and
she screams and throws your

866
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:35,800
sandwich everywhere.
It's incredible.

867
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,800
It's a great scene.
All right, before we get out of

868
00:49:40,808 --> 00:49:44,500
here, Brad, let's go in a little
bit on the 80s things that you

869
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:47,500
hate about this movie.
I want to talk about the score

870
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:52,200
because the From this movie is
reused in Terminator 2.

871
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,200
In that movie there's much more
of an orchestra playing it than

872
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,900
just like a synthesizer and I
know that you very famously hate

873
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:02,100
synth music.
So I guess I'm wondering like

874
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:06,900
how do you do you appreciate the
actual music of the movie?

875
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:11,200
Or is it ruined by the synth?
The scent of it all.

876
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,700
Yeah, I don't like the music in
this.

877
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:20,000
It frustrates me.
I You know what it is about

878
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,400
synthesizer music that I don't
like, but there's something

879
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:29,200
grading about it that just never
has appealed to me, so yeah, no.

880
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,200
You definitely hit the nail on
the head.

881
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,900
It's far as one of the things I
don't like about this.

882
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:41,000
I will say, I'm not going to
hold the fact that the

883
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,300
Terminator was made in the 80s
against it as a movie like, you

884
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:48,800
know, especially the for me the
famous scene when they're in the

885
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,800
Tecna war-- and just 80s,
fashion is on Full display 80s.

886
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,500
Music is blaring and I hate all
of it.

887
00:50:56,500 --> 00:51:00,000
Like, if they had made that
movie in the 90s than it, would

888
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,900
have been a 90s Club if they'd
made it in the 60s, then, you

889
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:06,600
know, they're the 70s.
They would have been playing the

890
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,000
Bee Gees.
So, like, I recognize that, I

891
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,500
don't like the 80s culture
around it, but I'm not going to

892
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:16,300
hold that against Cameron or the
movie.

893
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:18,900
Yeah.
Because, you know, they made it

894
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:21,700
an 80s.
So sure you use 80s stuff.

895
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:24,000
That sucks.
The only, the only time the

896
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,200
synth really pulled me out of
the movie was the very last

897
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,600
scene where there were, he's
like crawling after her through

898
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,300
that machine shop because this,
it gives a different.

899
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:36,600
It's a different theme than the
rest of the movie and I love

900
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,800
that very mournful, almost
military like Taps kind of theme

901
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,600
that it's the da da da da da da.
That's it's so good.

902
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,800
But then you get to the end of
the movie and it's just a synth.

903
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,100
It's like digging it.
Did it did it, did it in a duck,

904
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:55,300
Tikka Tikka Tikka and I'm like
yeah this is the worst.

905
00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:56,900
This is not a suspenseful at
all.

906
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,500
So I do think there are elements
of the 80s of it all that due

907
00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:03,300
date the movie probably most
famously.

908
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:07,600
You know he works with some of
the best VFX artists of the time

909
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,100
doing stop motion for the
Terminator at the end of the

910
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:14,900
movie.
But you know I mean it's really

911
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:16,300
cool.
Stop motion.

912
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,000
It looks janky like I just as
much as I want to appreciate the

913
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,300
craft that goes into stop motion
animation.

914
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:27,500
It is very herky-jerky.
It doesn't look smooth.

915
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:32,300
And I think that like the the
actual robot that they built

916
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,000
that's like crawling after her.
At the end of the movie, looks

917
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,400
fantastic.
Like I really think that that

918
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,200
skeleton looks great.
But you can tell every time that

919
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,500
it goes to a stop motion model
and it looks really bad.

920
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:47,100
Yeah, it's moving.
Yeah, yep, yep.

921
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,300
And that, it's stuff like that,
that makes it difficult to

922
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:54,500
really for me.
Give this movie a really high

923
00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:57,900
score at like, I think they did
the best with what they had to

924
00:52:57,900 --> 00:53:00,500
work with.
But there are some pretty

925
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:04,200
obvious elements for this me,
that, that dates, this movie,

926
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,800
and not in a good way.
Well, and I think, the one thing

927
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,700
we have to keep in mind, is that
This is one of the most

928
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:13,800
influential movies of the 80s
and so it has become one of the

929
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,400
most famous movies of the 80s.
And so, from a 40-year distance,

930
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,500
we look back on those special
effects thinking, oh, that must

931
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:25,100
have been the best that they had
in 1984, and that's actually not

932
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:27,500
true, right?
This was a low-budget movie.

933
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:31,800
So Cameron did the best that he
had with a very small budget in

934
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,100
1984.
If this had had a big budget, I

935
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:37,100
think the special effects will
hold up much better than they

936
00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:39,500
did.
And so Not only was Is he

937
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:44,100
limited by the technological
limitations of the time but he

938
00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:48,300
also had to take like the best.
He could get for a 7 million

939
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:50,400
dollar budget and I think when
you take that into

940
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,100
consideration, he had a lot
working against him to pull off

941
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:56,900
this story and he does a pretty
damn good job with it.

942
00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:01,000
Well honestly I think we've said
about everything there is a say

943
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,600
Bob, I'm very curious what movie
you're going to pair this with

944
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,600
for let's make it a double.
Yeah, I think it's it's hard to

945
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,100
not just pair it with t 2
because What we're doing next

946
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:12,100
week.
And that's why I said, I

947
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:16,700
structured it this way because
we looked at Avatar, which is

948
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:18,800
the first in a series of Cameron
films.

949
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,400
We looked at aliens, which is a
sequel that Cameron made and now

950
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,500
we get to look at what happens
when Cameron makes the original

951
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:28,700
and its Sequel.
And so it's really hard to

952
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:30,800
separate Terminator from
Terminator 2.

953
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,800
In my mind it's kind of like
Godfather and Godfather to.

954
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:38,200
They tell such a complete story,
so I guess I am kind of going to

955
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,600
take the cop out.
This Like Brad and just make it

956
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,200
a double with T2 because there's
no movie that would pair better

957
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,100
than that.
One.

958
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:49,700
Well II, guess I just won't give
an answer that if that's the

959
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:53,800
only movie you can pair with.
The only valid answer is the one

960
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,800
I Getta.
Honestly, Bob, I'm gonna pick

961
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,600
another movie.
That's about a Chase from a

962
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,100
similar era.
It's almost a decade.

963
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:06,100
Later I'm gonna pair this with
the fugitive.

964
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:09,600
Oh, first of all, how good is
The Fugitive?

965
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:12,600
Well, I don't know how.
We haven't done it on the pop.

966
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,600
Yeah, it's coming around soon.
That's a great movie.

967
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,100
Yeah.
I feel like the more I become a

968
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:22,000
dad to, like, it's a movie that
I remember every dad liking in

969
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,400
the 90s I was like it's a good
movie and now that I'm a dad I'm

970
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,300
like this is the greatest thing
I've ever seen.

971
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,600
It's so so good.
So yeah I think the fugitive

972
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:35,100
thematically with the idea of
the Chase and trying to figure

973
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:39,500
things out as you go and the
fact that it's just it's the

974
00:55:39,508 --> 00:55:43,400
Harrison Ford be an awesome.
I am going to pair it with the

975
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,100
fugitive all right man let's get
final scores on the Terminator.

976
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,300
This is a movie that I think is
probably more important than it

977
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:54,500
is great.
Like it's a well-made movie.

978
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,200
I respect the hell out of it.
I respect that Cameron did so

979
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:04,300
much with so little and his
ambition and his ability to

980
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,600
maximize every penny of the
budget.

981
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,900
In terms of, what goes up on the
screen is evident from day one

982
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:14,600
here, but almost every other
Cameron movie.

983
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,500
In my mind is better than this.
Like I I could I could go back

984
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:22,100
and forth on Avatar in this but
again Avatar is like you can

985
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:25,600
laugh at how silly it seems but
you can see every penny of that

986
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,700
movie up on the screen there too
and that movie.

987
00:56:27,700 --> 00:56:29,800
Yeah, has 200 million dollars
behind it.

988
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,300
Where is this had seven?
I'm going to give it an 8 out of

989
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:36,800
10 that feels kind of low but I
just I haven't gotten all the

990
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,000
way through Terminator 2 again
yet, but that movie just I think

991
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,300
it really does affect my opinion
of this one.

992
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:44,800
And I like that one better.
So this is an 8 out of 10 for

993
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,300
me.
I'll give it a seven and a half.

994
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,800
Oh wow.
I really thought you'd be higher

995
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,200
on it based on what how you
talked about it till the whole

996
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,600
day.
Yeah in the end I think it's

997
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:03,500
still in the vein of a cheesy
80s action movie and it's well

998
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:08,300
done, it's well made but there's
not enough here for me to really

999
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:11,600
want to give it an eight eight
and a half out of ten.

1000
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,700
I get that.
Alright so there you have it. 95

1001
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:18,900
from us, I believe on IMDb This
Is Still rocking an eight point

1002
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:22,000
one, which is really impressive.
But we'd like to know what you

1003
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,300
think we're talking about
Terminator 1 this week.

1004
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,600
So let us know the original
Terminator.

1005
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,600
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1006
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1010
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1011
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:48,700
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1012
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1013
00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:55,300
Next week, we will be joined by
film critic and historian, Ian

1014
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:59,200
Nathan who literally wrote the
book on James Cameron, to finish

1015
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,700
out our series with Terminator
2, Judgment Day.

1016
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,700
I am freaking pumped for that
one.

1017
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:07,600
Cannot wait.
But until then, I'm Bob book,

1018
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,700
I'm Brad G and we'll see you
next time.