The Princess Bride / Bushmills Red Bush

0:00 In 1987 director, Rob, Reiner and Star, Andre the Giant gave the world a hilariously epic. Children's story, that will sweep you off your feet in 2022. We returned to Ireland, to try another in a long line of popular Whiskey's. The film is The Princess Bride, the whiskey is Bushmills red bush and we'll review them both. This is the film and whiskey podcast. Welcome to the film and whiskey podcast, where each week, we review a classic movie and a glass of whiskey. I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie.

0:52 And this week, we're looking at the 1987 film, The Princess Bride. We're rounding out a mini series of Three movies by director, Rob Reiner, and we have gone kind of out of analyze it. Kind of, we've gone out of chronological order here. We started in 1990 with Misery, we jumped ahead a couple years to A Few Good Men and now we are returning to the late 80s with our buddy. Rob to look at The Princess Bride. Perhaps his most beloved film question mark. I mean, actually is most famous. I don't know, man, When Harry Met Sally, he's got to be up there in both categories. Oh yeah, that's true. And A Few Good Men. I just like the man just makes good maybes.

1:34 I was going to say, how did you make such good movies, man? I mean, listen to this run. So he does this a spinal tap in 84? He follows it up in 85 with the movie called the sure thing which is not a classic but it's a well-liked movie. He follows that up in 86 with stand by me then The Princess Bride. When Harry Met Sally misery and A Few Good Men all back to back. Wow, like what a run to I was going to say, tell me how many Directors have a run of six, seven movies like that. That's better, like, kind of insane. Like that are all be to a - movies with a few like true All-Stars, pepper didn't. And it like, like, When Harry Met Sally is one of the best romantic comedies of all time.

2:19 Well, in The Princess Bride. And of course, we're going to get into talking about this today, but like I said, it has not just a cult following you, right? It's not like a small group of people, but there is a Devoted fanbase of The Princess Bride Brad. I, you know, I remember, I dated a girl in college that was really into The Princess Bride, and her whole family had watched it when they were growing up, and she knew every line. And like, that wasn't me. That wasn't my experience growing up, but something tells me that they're not. The only ones that are like that. I know that this is an endlessly quotable film, and there are a lot of people out there that hold, this screenplay by William Goldman, in really high regard. Yeah. And and I will say like my first time watching it was I think sophomore year of high school I was on a school field trip out to Boston and I remember some friends had like a you remember the portable DVD players? Oh yeah.

3:15 They were watching The Princess Bride and I watched like three minutes of it with them right? When they're in the fire swamp and the Met like the the rodents of unusual size who are clearly just And in really gross. Yeah, rodents costumes like attacked him. And I just looked at my friends and I was like, what are you watching? This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life and they're like, oh it's The Princess. Bride is a great movie man. And I was like, now, this is not a great movie, this is terrible. And so I just went for many many years after that, it probably wasn't until like post-college where I watched it and was like, oh this is a great movie. So here's where I'm at with the princes bride. It's really hard for me to know what elements of this movie are done on purpose and which ones aren't. And I don't mean like the silly elements of it or things like that, but you're talking about the rodents of unusual size. I actually loved that scene in this movie even though you could clearly tell that it was people in a large rodent costume. Yep.

4:24 Because there was something about the way that those things jumped on Cary Elwes has character and there's like such a weight to it and you can tell that he's really fighting with something on camera in real life. And after years, and years and years of horrible CGI, everything that has a weightlessness to it. I was like I would take this any day of the week. Over another CGI rat. You know what I mean? Oh, 100%. And like the other part of it is they say that like every comedy is all about timing, right? The moment when He says, what line does he say? He goes rodents of unusual size. I don't think they exist. Yeah. And it's like the moment and I think that's like it illustrates everything that Reiner does properly in this movie that his his comedic timing.

5:18 I don't know if we've seen many directors with better comedic timing than Rob Reiner. Well, so that gets me back to what I was just saying which is like there are elements of this movie that look really cheesy. And Really fake, right? It's 1987 and of course, you know, certain elements of our technology have advanced since then. But there's also a sense that some of this is being done on purpose because it's supposed to be a fairy tale and not just a fairy tale but a fairy tale where everyone is in on the joke like it's very clearly a joke, fairy tale in a similar way that you would talk about like Shrek, you know what I mean? Like this is a this is a pretend children's story within a story being told to a sick ten-year-old in the You know, in the world of this movie. So I understand that like they might be trying to make the movie look even more fake than usual, but then you kind of run into this thing.

6:08 We've been talking about with Reiner for the last couple of weeks, which is, I don't always know if his visual sense is up to par because for a good portion of this movie, it kind of looks like it's being lit with fluorescent lights like in an office building. Like it's just even though they're inside of a castle, like the lighting can be very And then all, you know, all of a sudden you'll get a shot, like, Inigo Montoya annealing with his sword, in the air, and it's the greatest most cinematic shot ever. And then you'll go back to 18 shots in a row that looked like they were shot, you know, in somebody's garage and it's just really hard for me to be able to parse out this movie in terms of like what's intentional and what's not.

6:51 Yeah, it seems like he would have had had to have had a, something of, a decent budget for this. I mean, you know, this Point. He's gotten Stand By Me, spinal tap. Like I feel like it's not like he's just some indie director at this point. So if it feels like he should have had a little bit of money to up the production budget a little bit, but I agree. Like they're many of the sets look like built sets that had like you said I fluorescent lighting almost. Yeah. But the lighting just doesn't often make sense and I think it's really clear when they're being fake on purpose but Then there are also times where it seems like oh no. They're really trying here and it just doesn't look right. I don't know.

7:36 I just, you know, I think part of that is the fact that Rob Reiner comes from TV and you know, he doesn't necessarily have the Hollywood pedigree but I mean, you know, definitely like literally has the Hollywood pedigree. How we're gonna, we haven't talked about, you know, his dad being Carl Reiner at all the whole time. We've been doing these three weeks of Rob Reiner. I mean, he comes from Hollywood royalty, the man is, you know, he's made good but he's a nepotism baby in a A lot of ways. Yeah. Hey man, you know, harsh there, that help who your parents are I guess? Well, I was just saying, what's wrong with a little bit of nepotism. Asked the offensive coordinator of the Iowa Hawkeyes, I was gonna say, look at the the friends family, man.

8:21 All right, Brad it's time for us to segue into Brad explains which is America's favorite segment of this show. Before we get there, I do want to say if this is your first time listening to the show or if it's your whatever episode were on, Time listening to the show, we want to encourage you. First of all, like And subscribe, we would love for you to give us a five star review, on whatever platform you're listening on. Guys for us to be able to make money on this podcast, we have to be able to demonstrate to the advertisers that we have listeners. And the best way to show that is subscribers. Please subscribe on Apple podcasts on Spotify, wherever you might be listening to keep getting our episodes in your inbox. Each and every week, we also have a patreon page patreon.com/lenguin film whiskey where you can subscribe to our podcast at three different tiers three five and seven dollars a month at each of those tears, you get a lot of bonus perks, especially the seven dollar tier, where you get unedited episodes, where Brad, and I get a little blue. You get episodes that are dedicated specifically to that group.

9:22 So we make bonus episodes that just go to our seven dollar patrons, you also get access to a special discounted server that Brad. And I are on every single day talking with the members of film and whiskey Nation. So, you can find all that and more at patreon.com film whiskey. Bob you keep using the word blue, and I don't think that word means what you think it means should, I should I say blue, there you go. Alright, let's get into Brad explains. This is the part of the podcast, where Brad breaks down the plot of the movie that he has just seen often for the first time. This was not Brad's first time seeing The Princess Bride, which means These 60 seconds should be pretty easy for you to fit the plot into Brad. You got a minute on the clock and go. Wow, Fred Savage lies in his bed sick at home. His grandfather comes to tell him a fairy tale to help keep his mind off of being sick.

10:19 The story is about a farm boy, who is goes off to make a fortune to win his love. He is captured by a pirate. His love goes to marry the prince The farm boy turned. Pirate comes back to Rescue his princess in a, in a series of Daring adventures and he eventually fights off death itself to make it back and rescue his true love. There you go. Alright. Brad, where do you want to start today? Do you want to start with Rob, right? I feel like we've kind of already touched on Reiner a little bit. Do you want to keep going with Reiner? Do you want to jump into this screenplay? Do you want to start talking performances? I want to talk about the star of this movie. The one and only Andre the Giant dude. It's not Andre the Giant.

11:09 This is Andre Renee the ruse. Mm-hmm, dude. I just all I know about this man is that he might be the largest human being to live on this Earth since Goliath and Biblical times. And his, have you ever seen the picture of him holding a beer? Can, yes. It is yes, the most wild thing I've ever seen in my life. I've watched so many documentaries about Andre the Giant at this point in my life. That I mean, I've heard all the stories, right? The he would drink literally like 120 beers or something. And one sitting, which is also like, you know, I feel bad talking about his untimely death, but like, that might have contributed just a bit probably not, you know, no. Oh, come on now.

11:59 Definitely not. I mean, the man was 74 500-plus. Pounds and I'm not going to lie. He and Mandy Patinkin might have the best chemistry of any duo. In any movie we have ever watched they're just wonderful. Like I mean it's here's the thing I really feel like I'm going to be playing bad cop on this episode and I don't mean to be because this movie is charming as hell. And I enjoy it so much, but of all the people, you could have started talking about the performances with Brad. You had to start with Andre the Giant whom whom I love and who is incredibly endearing.

12:40 Yes, but thank God for subtitles on Disney plus streaming. Like, even with the subtitles I had to like, press pause and go back and listen. Again, because the man's grasp on the English language is just not sound and not very firm. Like like he's just really, he's not a good actor in the first. Place, which you could forgive because he's Andre the Giant. And like, where else are you going to get a 7-foot for 500 pound person to act in your movie but like he can't deliver lines like his mouth. Just won't make the words. No, they won't. And I think that's what makes him so perfect. Is the hey the fact that Mandy Patinkin has such an endearing love for Andre the Giant, like I guess I should say any go and fezzik have such A brotherhood and like a deep lasting connection that there's something about that, that makes Andre the Giant that like you said, he is charming and endearing and his accent is so bad. That I don't know if I ever fully picked up on the rhyming joke, right?

13:53 Start of the movie which is a major component of the movie, like it comes back three times I think. Yeah. And it's brilliant. Like it is some of the it's some of the Best comedic writing and acting that I've ever seen except for the part where, unless you accept of the apples on. Yeah. Well, not the acting part. Just the line delivery. There's more to acting than just just speaking. Bob. Yeah, man, I just, I really struggle with Andre the Giant because, like you said, he and Mandy Patinkin. Have incredible chemistry. And the funny part of this, this movie is that certain actors have to take their rules. Seriously for the movie to work like Mandy Patinkin has to play this completely straight and even somebody like Chris Sarandon as you know the evil Prince, he's playing it seriously what Bob Prince Humperdinck?

14:46 There we go. So he's playing it seriously but he's also playing. He's Hamming it up on purpose, right? Like it is an overshot villain, whereas Mandy Patinkin is playing this as if he's like trying to win an Oscar in a drama and yeah he's taking the Spanish accent. So seriously. Instead of just doing like the normal Hollywood thing of like I'm an American, who's going to kind of speak with a Spanish accent and that's what you're going to get. He's like he does that he kind of slurs his words a little bit where you normally would when you have a Spanish accent and he elides certain words together and things like that. And so at times you're like what did Mandy Patinkin just say and then and so they're just whole scenes that hang in the balance between Mandy Patinkin and Andre the Giant and I only understood like five words. Between the two of them but you walk away from that scene, still being entertained and amused.

15:40 I got so man even though you don't know what they said, I think a fun way to do this Brad. I'm looking for the cast list right now and obviously there are certain people in this movie that pop up like Billy Crystal and Carol, Kane and extended cameos, Peter Cook as the clergyman. But there's really like nine people in this movie that have speaking parts that are Stanshall, okay. So Cary Elwes Robin right? Mandy Patinkin, Andre the Giant. You've got Chris Sarandon Christopher, Guest Wallace, Shawn and then Fred Savage and Peter Falk. I think that would be like the cast if I could call them that. Yeah, I kind of want to like power rank the people in this movie and I'm be really interested to hear.

16:25 Maybe the way to do it is just kind of like walk from number nine up to number one. And give me some candidates for who you think is the Ninth Place person in this movie. I was going to say now. What are you? What are we judging on Effectiveness within the movie. Actual just acting ability. Kind of both. I mean, like, you know, is your character interesting Ru? Ru charismatic? Are you memorable? Are you a good actor? Like all those the, you know, Andre, the Giant is the worst actor here by a lot, right? Yeah, I don't know if I would power ranked him number 9 in this movie. Now, number 9, Number 9.

17:08 Is he real with? No, no, I was gonna say. Number nine is Robin, right? But I think just gives choose Gonna Be My Number 8, this gets at the problem of movies like this, like Beauty and the Beast. We talked about this beauty, like Belle and the Beast are the two least interesting characters. In that movie The Supporting roles are always more, flashy, and flamboyant, and charismatic, and memorable in movies like this. I think Cary Elwes is phenomenal, and he has to do a lot of Physical comedy, especially at the end of the movie where he can't quite walk anymore. And it reminded me of a lot of the pratfalls that they made like Neil Patrick Harris. Do on How I Met Your Mother.

17:49 Yeah, yeah, there was a lot of that going on here. So he has like one foot in kind of, like, the classic Vaudeville style of Comedy. Robin Wright's character, it's me there. Robin Wright's at the bottom. Robin Wright has nothing to do in this movie and she's a great actress and I love her to death, but like you could have put a cardboard cut out of a human being in her place and just voiced over like no Prince Humperdinck and it would have had the same effect and I feel like you could have done that and people would be like yeah it's The Princess Bride that's why it's so funny and Brilliant. And I again I feel bad saying that because it's not like Robin Wright. Does anything inherently wrong here?

18:30 It tasted like she's supposed to be mopey and she does that and that's it. Her, her stunt double does a phenomenal. Old job of falling down that hill just her Cletus km. Lee, male stunt up with an awesome. Awesome. Blond wig. Oh my gosh. All right, let's go number eight. Who would you put in here? I think I'd probably put Cary Elwes. All right, I like ideality of good. I enjoy his vaudevillian humor but similarly the Buttercup. He just kind of plays one character. He's kind of a one-note character throughout. The entire thing, I get that I think that this movie Works significantly less.

19:14 Well if you have an actor in here with worst comic timing. Yeah. It it's saying something about how well he's able to deliver lines like you seemed a decent fellow. I hate to die like that's it's a great line and he just, yeah, I think that's why he's probably top three for me honestly, man. But Lissa, I'll put him at. I'll put him at 8:00. Whoa, I didn't realize this is our combined if you're putting in that high. Well, who are you thinking in the Ada? I don't know, man. I feel like everyone kind of like morphs together and then there's a couple standouts, right? Like I don't know, we could put Fred Savage at eight like he doesn't really do much except sit in the bed. Yeah, that's fine.

19:54 Fred Savage and a Fred Savage, who do you guys 7? I don't know, man, how are you feeling about Peter Falk? He has a little bit of like a lazy eye going on and I freaking love it. Are you see, is that these are you allowed to say that in 2022? Or you like to call it a lazy eye? Is that like, is that like incorrect now? Yeah. I mean, maybe it's just like a slightly unmotivated. I that's been oppressed by his other eye. I don't know. Oh my gosh, it's so beautiful. Cake is an incredible actor and I mean, I love Jambo. I think it's really interesting to see him in this movie, because he's only 60 years old in this movie, and they clearly have him made up to look much older than he is.

20:41 And they don't really make him up very well. It kind of looks like how we did old age makeup in like high school when we were doing like theater and they were just like draw lines on your forehead to make you look like you had deeper creases and yep and he's wearing this wig. That is so clearly a wig. And I think that that's one of the areas where I'm like, Is this on purpose because this isn't the fairy tale part of the movie. Like why is Peter Falk six? Who is 60 years old? I just don't get it. Yeah, I think that where he wins the day is like he's the most Charming grandpa I think that has ever existed. Yeah and he just has a way of interacting with Fred Savage that I think, shows how important it is to have really experienced actors with child actors. Hours to help kind of draw a good performance out of them. Because I think that the the scene, you know, there's only a few of them but the scenes between Savage & Falk are really actually really incredible and it honestly makes me think about the way we've been scouring our directors. I feel like reinders highest category might end up be the way he works with addict actors because it just seems like he continues to get great performances out of people. All right.

22:00 I will put Cary Elwes at six because I don't want to put them to high based on how you feel about him. If you will put Andre the Giant at Five, I'll put them at five. Alright, I think that's fair. All right, so that gives us for people to talk about here, we've got Wallace, Shawn, we've got Christopher Guest, Chris Sarandon, and Mandy Patinkin. And I'm going to kind of go in the opposite order here, Brad because I'm thinking about, this was going to be my big reveal. I think, Christopher Guest might steal this whole movie. And I'm really surprised to say that because his character is like a nothing character. And he's kind of also Hamming it up but also not having it. I don't know how to explain it.

22:41 It's like it's like if you took Jeremy Irons as Scar in The Lion King but told him to do it as subdued as possible. So there are still elements of his character that are over-the-top and campy but he does it in such a like Strained way. He never liked gets very emotional throughout the movie and eat when he's menacing. He's really menacing. And when he has a line, that makes him look like a buffoon, he he says it in such a straight way that it almost takes you a second. And and I think honestly to part of it is like he came up in a Few Good Men and we forgot to talk about him like he's in that movie for a hot second. And it's so it's just so interesting to see you know, Nigel from spinal tap show up in a Few Good Men. And then show up in this movie and play three completely different characters that are so well constructed that you forget that it's Nigel.

23:38 From spinal tap? Yeah, I was going to say Christopher Guest was my number two. Hmm. He just has an incredible presence about him that even when he's next to, you know, Prince Humperdinck. It feels like he's the one who's really in control like he's the master hot mine behind the whole situation and I think it's Because of what you said that he he is almost like clinically devoid of emotions. Yeah. Like he has this psychotic. Killer feel about him where your but the fact that he's in a comedy and he's just interested in the science of pain and suffering your kind of like he's like over-the-top evil like clearly the most evil person out of everybody in this movie and yet the way he delivers the line fascinating just as Cary Elwes is just screaming on the torture machine just is brilliant and so yeah I'm with you. That I think guest is a phenomenal part of this movie. So would Patinkin be your number one? Then dude, when his seen when guests stabs him a few times and like, throws the knife into his gut and he just slowly builds and builds and builds.

24:58 I like got the freaking chills man. What? And when he tells him to bag yes because beg beg for your life because anything, anything I'll give you money, I'll give you power everything I have and more And the way he delivers, I want my father back, you son of a bitch, it's such a good lab so it's worthy of like, the most epic of Epic movies. It's a better line than hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. It's a better line than you seemed a decent fellow. I hate to kill you. It's, it's the best line. It's better than inconceivable, which is the big movement a smoothie, right? It's the best line in the film and easily.

25:38 It's because there's such an emotional payoff. But it also makes me wonder if William Goldman is the one who wrote the son of a line in A Few Good Men. Because remember, we talked about how even though that is a Sorkin script Goldman came in and touched it up a little bit. Hmm. And I thought my favorite line in A Few Good Men is when he says you're under arrest, you son of a bitch like so maybe. Yeah. He's just has the key to good lines and it's just ending it with your son of a. It seems like a pretty easy way to do it for. So for all you young screenwriters out there today. Take note, I do think that Patinkin also gets the second best line of the movie which in my opinion is the best comedic line when they're on the boat sailing across the sea of eels. And he looks back and he goes, I wonder if they're using the same Windows us Patinkin.

26:30 The thing about Patinkin to is like underrated comic timing and he has my favorite comedic moment of the whole movie, where he's sword, fighting with Cary, Elwes and Then it's like, who are you Cary? Elwes says no one of consequence and he says, I must know, an LG says, get used to disappointment at just the way he goes. Okay. And then starts fighting again. It is a perfect reaction shot, like it's just. Yeah. So you could not read the line. Okay. Better than that. No, it's absolutely perfect. And I think it's for so many of these reasons that I think that Mandy Patinkin, Is easily the best like indigo is the best character and Patinkin is the best performance in this movie.

27:18 That leaves us two people to talk about real quick Wallace, Shawn and Chris Sarandon. Let's get Wallace Shawn out of the way, and I don't mean to say it like that. But the reason you have Wallace Shawn in this movie, is to be Wallace Shawn. And yeah, he like, he is a brilliant writer and actor in many, many other films besides this one. He's in here. To be like the, the stereotypical version of Walsh. It's almost like having Gilbert godfried in a lattice like, he's just there to Gilbert. Not gonna say he feels a lot like Gilbert godfried and it's just Wallace Shawn. Yeah. And that's what you need him to be in this movie. They kind of the same way Andre, the Giant doesn't have enough grasp of the English language or acting capabilities to be anything more than Andre the Giant. Yeah.

28:09 And he's perfect. Because of that I think will say, I think is this our second Wallace Shawn movie? Was he in marriage story? Oh yeah, I forgot that he was in marriage story. There you go. To to Wallace, Shawn movies down, there you go. It's also our second movie featuring Chris Sarandon. Do you remember the first Sarandon, what else? Man, I can't believe what he was in. He played Al Pacino's lover in Dog Day Afternoon. Oh, snap. Yes, that was Chris, wait, that was Chris. I was Chris, he's on the phone and the barbershop talking death. She know in the that's Christopher and I did not know that, right. Talk about two wildly different performances and I think it really gets at how good of an actor Sarandon is and how versatile he is.

29:01 Incredibly good-looking guy. Guy like really in control here and he's doing like he's doing a James Mason impression. You know, if you remember James Mason from North by Northwest the bad guy in North by Northwest, he's doing James Mason and he kind of looks like James Mason. And so it works really really well I just I think he's fantastic in this movie. He's batting a thousand. Every time he comes into the film, he's funny when he needs to be funny. He's a coward. When he needs to be a coward. He's intimidating when he needs to be intimidating and I think he's a great you know, again to go back to the Comparison, you know, they have Lithgow as as Farquaad in that movie and I think that he's doing his best Farquaad here, right? And perhaps even better than Lithgow. Yeah.

29:44 My question would be, how much funnier would it have been if Wallace Shawn was Humperdinck because I feel like that's the better, Farquaad comparison, because rap kind of trashley five-foot-one, Wallace Shawn the out there doing his best. All right, Man, I think we're in a good place to hit, pause will come back from the break. We'll talk about this, you know, quote unquote, perfectly structured script, a little bit more on Rob Reiner and then we'll get into our final scores. But first, let's try this Bushmills, red bush. What do you say? Let's get to it. Some whiskey Nation. Do you ever think about Awards, of course you do you drink whiskey and watch movies which means that, you know, that nothing is validated until a group of random people say hey we love what you're doing.

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31:25 Alright, today we are checking out. Bushmills, red bush. Brad asked that we can immediately get the sexual connotation of the name out of the way, so there it is. You know, we're going to talk about red bush today. And next week, we're going to talk about Bushmills Black Bush. So, depending on your preference of color, join us for more Bush conversation down the road. Is that a good enough disclaimer for you? Are you satisfied now? Brad. I'm very satisfied. All right. Wonderful. Bushmills, red bush is, I mean, like if I can be frank here, it's kind of just a variation on regular Bushmills. So it's nonage stated. It is a blend of single malt whiskey and grain whisky that is aged for at least three years and it's aged in used bourbon barrels. So regular Bushmills, is h and a combo of bourbon and cherry red bush is aged solely in Bourbon casks and their first fill so, like they've been used for bourbon and nothing else that gets shipped over to Ireland, the age of them there. The Black Bush, which will try next week is aged solely in Sherry.

32:31 So, it's kind of like, you're getting one half of the process, but it's going to have a little bit of that kind of, they're hoping that this is like a Gateway into Irish whiskey for people who only drink Bourbon and I really like that approach, Brad. Because it is sometimes hard to convince people to try Irish whiskey or to try Scotch. If they're only used to that brown sugar, vanilla thing that you get from bourbon. Yeah. And I think that is Whiskey has an incredible amount of experience to offer, any of you, bourbon drinkers out there. So, I am, I'm always beating the drum for my Irish Whiskey's, which have always kind of had an attraction for me. And so yeah, this Bushmills red bush.

33:13 So far, my experience with it has been pretty positive Bob. I have not tried it yet, so I'm trying it live on air. I'll give a few nosing notes if you don't mind. Yeah, go for it. So, I mean, like, a lot of Irish Whiskey's, I'm getting a ton of and on this, I think it's like a lot of honeydew. There's actually a little bit of tropical like, pineapple for me as well, but more than anything, it smells like orange juice to me like fresh, squeezed orange juice. Almost like a like a mimosa. Like, it has a little bit of that, like, champagne, anything going on to, I will say Brad that after sitting with this, for a couple minutes there is a really, really faint. Almost vinegary note for me and it kind of smells like a can of Pickled beets, which is not a food that I'm a huge fan of and it's just like a little wisp of it underneath everything else.

34:04 So it's really nice. It's like pineapple and orange juice and I'm digging it and then there's just a little bit of beet and then our get reminded of Dwight Schrute, which is not what I want to be thinking about when I'm drinking whiskey. So I'm kind of torn about this one man. What kind of score? Would you give it? I think I'd still give it like a seven and a half but it was approaching like an eight and a half before. Or okay. I was going to say I really like this for me. It's honey, there's some brown sugar notes. I get the barley starts to come through. It's a little bit raw. And then, like you said, I think honeydew is the right note. It's it, it's Melanie but not a super-strong overpowering. Those I gave it an 8 out of 10 on the nose. I think it's pleasant but I'm curious to see where it goes. Especially after last week.

34:52 Drinking the there, you know, regular off. And really feeling like it was like, kind of a white wine, huh? Feel. I'm curious to see how much more bourbon e or, you know, even more like classic Irish whiskey, this one will come out to be. Yeah, for me, I just took a sip as you were talking Brad and this one still has a lot of that, white wine character. But this time around it is like a really dry sparkling wine for me like it reminds me of champagne when I drink it and there is there's a little bit more sweetness here than there was last week which I really like it's certainly not a sweet. Ski at all. But I think a little bit of that bourbon character has been imparted here. It's way spicier than last week's was like from the, from the get-go tip of my tongue.

35:34 There's a prickly Nest here that wasn't there. Last week, I gotta keep saying, last week, I guess it was, I think two weeks ago that we tried this one. So anyway, you know what I mean? But I get a lot of citrus peel on this Brad. There's like a grapefruit character to this on the back for me to. It's not like all of the bitterness that you get with grapefruit, but it does. Mind me of drinking orange juice, or drinking grape fruit juice to go along with that kind of champagne thing. I guess I just have mimosas on my mind right now, but this tastes like the whiskey equivalent of a mimosa to me. Yeah, for me it was like, honey, drizzled over a grapefruit with, like a little bit of a mint, sprig, kind of like, put on the side, but like crushed a little bit, so you smell it. Yeah.

36:21 Like that is what I got on the pallet here, it's a little bit. Of a refreshing mint but then all sorts of Honey mixed with grapefruit and then it kind of dries out by the end of it and hits a few of those white wine notes that we've been talking about with our last iteration of Bushmills. Bob, I really like this a lot. I think I'm going to stay like right at an 8 because this is really solid whiskey. I'm going to give it an 8 on the taste as well and same unfinished because it. Hmm. What's the word Brad? It's not bitter. I guess it is kind of better in that. Fruit way, it has that grapefruit character to it and it really does remind me of toasting someone on New Year's with a glass of champagne. But I don't like champagne that much and I would much rather have this in a glass to toast somebody with on New Year's. It's really really good.

37:12 It's light, it's bubbly. It has that sort of effervescence to it. I'm really shocked that this is coming out of bourbon barrels, because it doesn't really remind me of bourbon at all. They reminds me of drinking, you know, a screwdriver. Her or a mimosa or something with orange and champagne in it. I'm a big fan. I'm going to give it an 8 on the Finish. Yeah I think I'll come down a tiny bit on the Finish just just to say that it doesn't last very long and there's not quite enough of a lingering palette that like really makes me in love with it. But I'm right there with you man. It has all of the notes we've been talking about so far. The the Citrus little bit of Honey to finish, it gets a little bit more, okey at the end, but not enough to Sour it. So yeah, seven and a half on the finish. I'll give it an eight and a half on balance. Bob, I think I'll do that.

38:02 Yeah. I think I'll do the same. Go ahead and finish your thought, I'm sorry. No you good? I just think that balance wise, you get what you are expecting throughout the entire drink and I think you know in order to hit the nine, ten out of ten type of area, you almost have to transcend that and like be more complex than initially you think it is. But with this One man. I mean, there's nothing to complain about here, balance wise. No. And is this the best Irish whiskey we've ever had? No, but for what it is and kind of as a self-contained thing, it balances everything really, really well. Everything I got on the nose, was there on the palette, everything that was on the palate, was there on the Finish. It's a super consistent product and I really appreciate that. So I'm also going to go eight and a half on balance and that brings us to value.

38:52 Now Brad as you know, our value score is Dependent on simply is it cheap or is it expensive? It is does the quality of what we just drank make sense at the price point, or even more. Is it a steal at the price point and at in the state of Ohio? Brad, I'm pretty sure this is, like in the 20s, right? $22.49 $22 for a 750 milliliter bottle of, this is a freaking steal like so much so that I thought this was like 28 or 29 dollars at. Eighty-two dollars. This is a nine out of ten value bread. It's a nine and a half for me, Bob. Yeah. Like, it's pretty close to being a perfect value. If it was 20 or below, I would give it a 10 out of 10. 2250 is a steal for this whiskey guys.

39:42 If you have not tried Bushmills redbush yet, I am really, really impressed. And there's like, you can't ask for much more out of a bottle of whiskey that costs less than $25. No, I'm coming out to a forty one out of Brad. What are you coming out to 41.5? Wow. So we're at a 41-point 25 or an 82 and a half out of 100. This is a big deal, man. It's pretty rare for a whiskey, this inexpensive to score this. Highly on our show. Yeah. Well and the big thing is, I always try to score the first four categories with no regard to the value category and allow value to adjust the score. Core as need be, you know, if this was a ninety dollar bottle of whiskey, it would get a 2 out of 10 and be in like the mid 30s, the low 30s, but because it is a $22.50 bottle of whiskey, it got a nine and a half and that bumped it up to where I think it should be.

40:45 This is a huge step up from the regular Bushmills, white label, you know, so much. So that I think we had some complaints about Bushmills last week. I have no complaints about this. This is an immediate go out and purchase this. Even if you're not an Irish whiskey fan because it is out of the ordinary enough that I think this should be something that you need to give a try to. Yeah. And if you haven't watched The Princess Bride yet, you need to go out and give it a try. So Bob, how about you say? We get back into finishing. Our conversation about The Princess Bride. Let's get to it. All right. Everybody that was Bushmills, red, bush, whiskey, that we were just over the top About Bob I'm still, I'm over here like Googling about it right now because I had no idea.

41:33 It was this good. Why is no one talking about this? It's it's available everywhere. All the time for less than $25 and it's phenomenal. Hmm, I don't know. Bob it's not very exclusive, you know what I mean? That's what it is. We need to create scarcity, artificial scarcity. We need what we need is for Bushmills, red bush to get acquired by Buffalo Trace. There you go. That's it. If you put this in the beat, At collection and called it like, Georgios tag Irish whiskey, dude. Sure. Just a, it could sell for $900 and people would finally understand man. Well, speaking of btech, I'd like to thank our new sponsor, Buffalo Trace for sponsoring, our two facts in a falsehood section.

42:18 Alright, two facts. And a falsehood, this is the part of the podcast where Brad presents three items to me all of them. As fact, little tidbits about the making of this V. And so all of them not sponsored by Buffalo, not actually none of them to be to be clear. No free advertising on this podcast, Buffalo Trace. So, two of them are actually true. One of them is made up by Brad. I have to guess. Which one is the falsehood? Brad hit me with your two facts and a falsehood fax. Number one, Christopher, Reeve famous for playing Superman. Was it one point interested in playing the role of Wesley? Fax number two, when count.

43:00 That's the real game. That's the whole fact. That's it, man. Well, usually there's like a, you know, but this, this happened, blah blah, blah, so I thought something was coming in. All right, fact, number two, when count rugen hits Wesley over the head Cary, Elwes told Christopher Guest to go ahead and hit him for real, guess it l was so hard that he knocked him, unconscious lacerating, the top of his head. Oh my gosh. It was very violent. Fact, number three, the line never mess with a sicilian. When death is on the line was one of Goldman's favorites, who said it was a direct quote of one of his childhood friends. Wow, I have no idea.

43:41 Fact, number one sounds, so Bland that I can't tell if it's real or not. I mean like okay cool like Christopher Reeve was interested in great. Like I'm glad I know that now. Fact number two huh I think they could all be false. Is it possible that all three of these are false? There is zero percent chance. Okay. All right. I think I'm just going to have to guess one because I think I'm gonna be wrong regardless. I'm going to say that too. Is the falsehood that count rugen? Hit Wesley over the head, so hard that he knocked him unconscious for real. Yes, that Bob is a 100% true facts, how nice? Yeah.

44:29 What was the falsehood bread? The wine. Never mess with Sicilian. When death is on the line, was not one of William Goldman's favorites. It wasn't, I mean, maybe it was maybe maybe it wasn't. There is no record of it being his favorites and he did not say it was a direct quote from one of his childhood friends. As far as I know, I made that up what a great line, dude. Okay, see this? Such a great line. Alright. So now I'm taking the Elvis week. I'm okay with that because I'm still way above 500 on the year. Yeah, you're killing it, man. Let's get back into. It was a rough start for you. It was a really rough start. I want to talk a little bit more about this script and about, Owners direction of it.

45:11 This is the third movie, that William Goldman and Rob Reiner have worked on together that has been on this show. Like I had no idea that William Goldman did revisions On A Few Good Men when we picked that for the show, but like it's pretty obvious that the two of them really enjoyed working together and that Reiner understands if nothing else how to put the actors in a position to deliver this Goldman dialogue. Better than almost anybody D. Yeah, Goldman is like, really famous for a reason Bob. Yeah, yeah. He's, you know, he's fun fact. Great at writing scripts, I think that is easily the strength of this movie is the fact that a the actors are committed.

46:01 Like every single actor, is committed to this script and be that elevates this script to the next level because it's Already a spectacular script like the, the lines that he writes are some of the funniest of any movie, you know, like to throw things, Way, Way Back for those of you, who remember, when we did our Test episode on the film Anchorman, the Legend of Ron Burgundy, we talked about how that is easily. One of the most quotable movies of all time. Bob, I think Princess Bride might be more quotable. Yeah. And it's, it gets to the The fact that they're two different styles of Comedy, right, where Adam McKay is kind of the master of, I don't know wrangling chaos into something like that whole movies, improvised or a good portion of it, and they cobbled together, different takes to make what you see in the final product.

46:58 This is not an improvised movie, right? I mean I'm sure, you know, maybe Billy Crystal's character is doing some improv there, but this is an example of really, really great joke writing And people delivering it with perfect timing. It's much closer to Billy wilder than it is to Anchorman. Yeah, there's a element of snappiness to the movie. That feels much more like old Hollywood than it does like new. Yeah. And I think that's I think that the other thing is the lines are incredibly Snappy but they are delivered in such a laconic manner. By by Inigo Montoya by Cary Elwes? That it As a slow cadence, even though they're really fast, one line is and I think that that that dissonance almost serves to make it even funnier.

47:50 All right, so I think this is a good point to kind of tip my hand a little bit about my overall feelings on this movie. I respect this movie. I respect the script, I think it's clever. I chuckle a lot. I do a little smirk. I nod my head and say I see what you did there. This is not a movie that really makes me laugh out loud every once in a while it will. And I actually watched this movie with my five-year-old, this was like one of the first movies I've ever shown him where like, someone gets stabbed and dies. There was a big deal for my son to watch. He thought it was hilarious. He loved it. And so it's really it was great to watch it with a younger person who had never seen it before in the jokes really worked. And, you know, Andre the Giant's rhyming thing killed in my household, but at the end of the The day, I think this is why I think spinal tap is such a better movie than this, and I know that it's two completely different. Styles of Comedy, spinal tap makes me laugh out loud and this movie gets more of a, an appreciative chuckle every now and then.

48:56 And so it's really hard for me to hold this movie in as high of a steam as other people do. That's crazy to me Bob. Yeah, it feels like to me. This movie should have all the kinds of humor that you're Looking for in a movie and I'm kind of surprised that this one didn't hit you the right way. Yeah. It kind of reminds me of Some Like, It Hot that way to go back to Wilder. Again, that's a great movie. It's funny. It's so well written. It's almost perfectly written and yet, I think there's an element of because it is all written down, because there doesn't seem to be any actual joking going on. You know what I mean?

49:37 Like, I'm not saying I need Improv ization to make me laugh, but sometimes the stage Enos of delivering jokes that are pre written in a movie, just doesn't work quite as well for me. And so, I like the apartment way better than I like Some Like It Hot and again, I know the apartments a much more dramatic movie, but there's just something more to appreciate their for me. Whereas Some Like, It, Hot is a very, very well-made movie. That doesn't really go anywhere under the surface of what it's presenting and that's kind of the same thing here. Maybe I'm just old and I'm a stick in the mud and I'm no fun anymore, but this movie has just never quite done it for me, the way that it seems to for other people. Well, maybe maybe let's make it a double give you a chance to point towards a movie that you feel like does it just a little bit better then?

50:27 Oh, that's a good one. I have not even thought about what I would make this a double with. Do you have yours and mine so I can not listen to you and think about it while you talk. Yeah. Bob, I have been thinking about the movie and I I think that there's another children's film that is similar in tone and and its content. We mentioned it once earlier. I think I'm gonna pair this with Shrek. Oh interesting. Yeah, I mean I think it's kind of like it's an obvious pairing for this, right? Like it's I think Shrek's a little more Mean-spirited than this movie? Is it is I think one of the things don't like about Shrek is that it?

51:09 Yeah, go ahead and finish your thought. I'm sorry, as you say it hates Disney. It does just so much and it doesn't seem to like its own source material either like, it doesn't like fairy tales. Whereas I think this movie, ultimately what what really saves this movie is that it's not just making fun of fairy, tales for the point of making fun of fairy And saying aren't these dumb, it's ultimately about the power of a story and how stories like this bring people together and that grandfather and Grandson bookends on this movie, really? I mean, that's what makes you feel the warm fuzzies about this movie. And I think that's why, I mean, I definitely like this better than Shrek.

51:53 There's a lot of ways you could go with making this a double. Like I said, I think it would go really well with a movie like Some Like It Hot, it would go really well with the Original Adventures of Robin Hood with Errol Flynn. I think it has that sort of swashbuckling thing going on here. I think I'm going to pair it up with a movie based on movies that The Script is perfect but that I'd still don't really care for and it is Back to the Future where I think Back To The Future Has like like actual problematic elements to it that don't fly in 2022 and this movie doesn't really have those, but it's a movie that on paper, literally on paper should work like gangbusters for me and how people talk and, and right and worship at the altar of these two scripts and how perfectly structured they are.

52:44 And how there's a payoff for everything that happens. And yet, even though it's perfectly structured, I still don't think it's anywhere near approaching a perfect. We both really enjoyable both, you know, entertaining on surface level, but, you know, or we could just call it the double of movies that everyone else on Earth likes that Bob doesn't care for. And here's why Bob's wrong? And you could have a double feature of those. So there you go. I'm gonna go Princess Bride and Back to the Future. Sounds good man. You know Bob I've been thinking about this, you know, we'll make it a double for a while now I think I'm going to compare this and pair it up. Up with a movie called Stardust.

53:26 Hmm. Have you ever seen Stardust Bob? I have not ever seen Stardust Bob. Yeah. It came out in 2007. It's an action-adventure movie about a young man. Who promises the woman that he loves that. He will go retrieve a fallen star and he goes forth into this magical realm and goes on a Grand Adventure to to find it. And he learns a little bit about himself. And honestly, I think it's almost like the movie version of what happens to Wesley in between him leaving Buttercup and coming back to Buttercup. Mmm interests. I'm a big. I'm a big fan.

54:07 I think it's a good a good pairing for for The Princess Bride. All right. Brad. It is time for us to give final scores on this movie. I'll go first since I just said that, you know, this is not my favorite film. I think again on paper this is Is like an eight and a half nine out of ten, but it just doesn't, it's one of those movies where I watch it. I smile, I say. That was cute. That was well made and then I forget about it and it just doesn't have the staying power in my own mind that it seems to have for other people. I'm gonna give it a seven and a half out of ten. I think it's, it's competently directed. It has a brilliant screenplay. I think a lot of the people in.

54:47 It have insane comic timing, but like, Wanting to put this on every day. Not really. So for me, I think just my own personal enjoyment of it. It's a seven and a half out of ten. Yeah. Bob, I think that the difference between you, and I in this movie is that I just everything worked for me in this film. Hmm. Like, it's nothing more than it tries to be, but it is perfect at what it tries to be. And so for me I'm going to give it an eight and a half out of ten. I think it's one of the funnier movies we've ever had on the podcast and And I think that Patinkin performance single-handedly, bumps this up, at least a half a point for sure, for sure. Alright, so there you have it.

55:32 We are coming out to an 8 out of 10 on average, but we like to know what you think is this one of those movies that you've watched ever, since you were a kid and you hold it very near and dear to your heart. Is this a movie that doesn't work for you? Kind of like with me, you can let us know on our social media accounts, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Tick-Tock at film whiskey, or you can jump onto our Discord. We are on there every single day, talking to you guys the listeners of the film whiskey. So, if you want to join the conversation, you can check out a link to the Discord at the end of every one of our show notes. All right, next week, we are visiting one of the most famous most highly regarded directors of all time, David, lean, and we're kicking it off with a movie that is considered one of the best ever made 1962, S, Lawrence of Arabia, Brad.

56:23 We are taking a very, very hard turn from from Rob Reiner into David lean. Yeah. And I'm I'm incredibly excited for it. We'll be back next week with Lawrence of Arabia but until then I'm Bob book I'm Reggie and we'll see you next time.