The Last of the Mohicans / Glenlivet Enigma

0:00 Hey everyone. Before we get into today's episode, I just wanted to remind you that we have a ton of extra content over on our patreon. We do movie watch parties special page here on the bonus episodes and all other sorts of wacky stuff that you can access easily. If you head on over to patreon.com slash film whiskey in 1992 director, Michael Mann and star. Daniel Day-Lewis gave the world. A historical action drama that set the formula of similar films for years. Years to come in 2023. We returned to Scotland to try a puzzling whiskey. The film is The Last of the Mohicans. The whiskey is Glenlivet Enigma and we'll review them both. This is the film had whiskey podcast. Welcome to the film and whiskey podcast, where each week, we review a classic movie and a glass of whiskey. I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and this week we're looking at the 1992 historical epic.

1:17 The Last of the Mohicans Brad this is the last episode. Of season 6, the last of the most seasoned that we have saved the best for last man. Yeah, I am super excited to talk about this movie and it's for a very rare reason on this show. Oh, this is my first time seeing the Last of the Mohicans. What, what I've never seen that, man. Bob, this is a very famous movie. It is indeed. And I just like, I never happened to catch it on the cable growing up. My dad always told me it was a good movie and so I always wanted to see it and I Of movies in this vein early 90s historical epics. That's like my jam.

1:57 Yeah and I've just never gotten around to seeing it and spoiler alert. We have a guest joining us today who will intro in just a minute, but when I heard that our guests wanted to talk about this movie, I said, well I can't watch it now. I have to wait and save myself for this moment. So this is a big deal man. Yeah it really is that this might be the second or third time in podcast history that we've both entered you know, the The recording booth on equal ground, that's true. I usually am just objectively Superior to you. Wow, but not today way of putting it. Well, maybe it's a balance out the playing field a little bit. We should intro Our Guest. It is our friend film critic, Daniels y OU, re joining us again.

2:43 Every year around Oscar season. Daniel, how you doing? I'm great. How about you guys? I'm doing well, man. Man, I am doing so, so good. Good. And I'm just assuming that this is your first time seeing it as well. Dave yeah, something like that. So A while back, I discovered that Daniel lists this movie among his favorites of all time and I mean maybe it would you call this your favorite film ever? Yes, and no. Okay. I definitely have called it that at times. I generally have like a top four in that are in some order and it just depends on which day you catch me, which one of those four. I list is my actual number one, but last Mohicans is one of them and does frequently get cited as my number one, That is super exciting. Oh, before we dive into Last of the Mohicans, let's catch up with Daniel a little bit.

3:34 You may remember him from last year when he completely fixed the Oscars and they did not heed his call at all. I don't know if what we had on Oscar Bingo when we talked last but all the stuff that went down was certainly not on it. I'll say that much I guess that's one way to drum up ratings. You know you came up with this complicated formula and then all you need is assault and that'll do it. So Daniel, you're back again, it's Oscar season, you've just wrapped up Sundance coverage and it was I mean I don't want to speak for you here. It was a pretty big deal for you. Your Sundance coverage this year? Yeah, I wrote for the ringer for the first time, which was super exciting. I think as the three of us are probably all men of a certain age and probably discovered Bill Simmons at an early time in collagen, is right when it mattered to us so writing for, you know, great.

4:28 And then the ringer had always been a huge goal for me. So I was really excited to finally do it. I wrote a big Sundance recap Roundup piece for them last week so we've got the Oscars coming up in. What about a month now? Which is I mean just way too late. I don't know if you agree with me on this but a third of the way through the year seems a little bit late for the Oscars. We haven't done an Oscars preview on our podcast yet because like you you know, I live in the midwest where a lot of times the film's don't come out until like February. I wanted to submit my 10 best of the year at the end of the year, but I don't get screeners like a lot of people do. And so I have to actually go to the theater or, you know, rent VOD. And I think the last one that I really had to catch up with was women talking, which I got around to seeing and now I feel like I'm ready to submit my top 10 of the year and it's February. So we're going to hold off a little bit on our Oscars preview.

5:19 But what are some things that you're most looking forward to, with this year's crop of nominees? I'm really fascinated by Best Actress. I think it's an absolute dead heat between Cate Blanchett. Michelle. And so I am, I think, you know, a lot of people are saying that everything everywhere, all at once, they think is the film to beat. And I think that best actress could be the real determination of that, you know, as you're watching the show this year, if Cate Blanchett winds, that could mean that maybe voters aren't quite as high on everything everywhere, as we thought they were, or if Michelle wins, then that could mean that. That's our best picture. Yeah, I remember walking out of the theater from everything everywhere and I realized I was like that movie is a movie that justifies the existence of Cinema. Like you couldn't tell the story, they were trying to tell in any other medium like I like it wouldn't work as a book or a radio play or however else you would want to communicate like that movie Just exist to be a movie and I Like man, I just was very, very excited about that film. Yep.

6:30 Totally agree. My other big Oscars. Question is I feel like the Banshees of in a Sharon is going to win an acting oscar. But I have no idea which one I feel like supporting actors is still way up in the air and I think Kerry Condon could really come in and steal that I don't know if they steal that one because it would be well deserved. But I think once again, it all comes down to some of the major categories are people going to reward? Brendan Fraser is it? I feel like Whale has kind of fallen out of favor with a huge chunk of critics that, you know, I don't want to say they're looking down on the movie now, but will that reflect back on Brendan Fraser? Because he's really the only major nomination that movie gets. And if that goes to Colin Farrell, I think everything's fair game at that point because like, you're saying everything everywhere might be in pole position right now but I think banshees have been sharing is right there with it.

7:21 Probably great. All right. There you go. There's the Oscars preview for 2023. Let's let's dive into talking about The Last of the Mohicans Brad and that means that it is time to segue into Brad. Explains the part of the podcast where Brad breaks down the plot of the film that he has just seen often for the first time. As we know, this was your first time seeing Last of the Mohicans Brad before you dive into your explanation of this movie were you familiar with the source text at all? Like, did you read the book when you were growing up? I did not read the book. I was like, culturally Familiar with the film. I knew that it was a Daniel Day-Lewis movie. One of his earlier ones if I'm correct.

8:04 And that it's a historical, you know, french-indian War drama. And so that those are about the, the most I was a familiar with it. All right, so you went into this pretty cold which means we should get a hell of an entertaining Braddock's places out of this. Brad, you've got 60 seconds on the clock and go. Daniel Day-Lewis is Is a Trapper who has been adopted into a Mohican family, and is conscripted by the British army into fighting against the French Huron Indian forces and the area, and the New York territory, he initially refuses to help the British but eventually falls in love with one of the kernel or generals daughters and he tries to save her. The fourth that they're fighting in is conquered by the French, but As they are allowed to leave peaceably, the Huron, Indians attacked, the British in an ambush. And lots of wild things happen.

9:06 He saves them. Once again, from the Huron has to escape them by jumping into a waterfall. And then he goes and he goes peaceably and convinces. The chief of the Huron tribe to give s the the girls and his brother dies. All right, all right, I'm gonna catch up there man. That thing really tailed off there, at the end, there's a lot that happens at this movie Bob, there is a lot that happens and I guess I'll say the first thing that really struck me about this movie. I don't want to say that the first hour in 15 minutes are slow, but there's certainly less that happens and it just so happened that I had to turn the movie off for a bit at about that one hour and 15 minute Mark.

9:51 And it's right when they are, they've made their deal with the French that they're going to surrender. And they're kind of leaving through that Valley where they end up getting surrounded on both sides and ambushed and it was right before that scene. And I see them on Horseback, I had to hit pause, I came back to it. And from that moment on, there are so many developments in this movie and it just moves like crazy and Brad. I feel like a broken record because this was kind of what we said about Heat last week. That first hour of the movie Heat is all set up. And then the payoff is the last two hours, where he just feels like, everything is flying at you at such a rapid Pace. This movie felt structurally, very similar to that. It's almost like it.

10:34 Had the same director, I know. Right, who would hot? Daniel, I'm curious. I want to throw it over to you. Like, this is your favorite film, and I don't feel like I've set you up very well talking about how I like literally bifurcated this movie and came back to it. But, I mean, do you see what we're talking about here? There's a lot of setup and then last 45 minutes, I thought the movie was over. And then even after that, there was another much more tragic ending that came. Of it, like it was full of surprises. I guess, is what I'm saying. Yeah, so a few things that I just have in my, you know, random set of notes that I want to hit on first of all, to your point about how fast it moves for the end. This movie is under two hours which for a historical action epic.

11:19 That's extremely rare. Yeah, and like by extremely rare, I mean like maybe this is the only one like I can't off the top. My head think of another high budget by a major director Hollywood historical action movie that is under two hours. Theoretically want exist but I can't think of it so that's already. I feel like A huge point of interest in the way. Michael Mann was envisioning. The still am that. It's unlike most historical action epics, you know, like just the Rocks a gladiator, Like Gladiator cares. A lot about the politics of ancient Rome in a that into the action scenes. And, you know, you end up with a two-and-a-half-hour movie. Last night, he gets his not care. Last Mohicans is purely just about the adventure iconography that Michael Mann want to put on the screen in the movie, is that and nothing.

12:07 But that, which I think is part of what I find. So appealing about it. And the other thing that I want to mention is that my love for this movie. I feel like is a real relic of the channel surfing era, which is that I don't know when I saw this movie for in, its entirety for the first time but I'm almost positive. I had seen the last probably half hour 45 minutes multiple times before I'd ever seen the full thing. And I think that's that's part of what became so powerful about it for me is that is how perfect the ending of this film is for a long time? That was the only part of the film. I knew before, I eventually discovered the whole thing. I love that.

12:51 Yeah, I have to say, it reminded me so much of some of those like, Edward, zwick kept coming to mind his movies. Like this. Like it reminds me so much of glory and even if you fast forward, a few years or reminds me a lot of The Last Samurai as well. But there, It is just like something rhythmic about these historical epics from from the late 80s to the early 2000s that I don't want to say they're all alike, but they're all kind of a piece and there is a very specific sub genre of historical epics that they kind of all look the same. They kind of all flow the same. You know, you could watch this back to back with glory and it makes sense. You could watch this back to back with Braveheart and it would make sense and I just, I don't know, man.

13:35 Maybe it's because I'm a Out of the 90s, I have a huge soft spot for this specific sub genres of movie. So you bring up Edwards ich, Edward zwick, made me, do a real quick fact. Check the Last Samurai, is in the two-and-a-half hour realm. Glory is just over two hours, 122 minutes. So it doesn't quite fit the mold, but it's pretty close. Not quite as compact as the, Michael Mann classic here. I get hey Brad. Let me, let me ask you this. You know, we've been talking about this for a while now and I keep mentioning that I don't. Aunt. I don't know enough about like film stock to speak intelligently about this but that I totally do. I know you do right? But that movies like Braveheart and movies from the early to mid-90s have this very kind of flat look to them and it just looks so much different than the high.

14:23 Contrast of we start getting in the late 90s with like Michael Bay and even watching this movie a week, after we watched heat, like the visuals in heat and I'm not just saying like Has it set in the modern day, right? But just the stylistic choices of how he films heat looks so much more similar to what we get in 2023. Then what this movie was, it feels like these two films are, you know, a decade apart, and not three years apart, I don't know if you like, did you pick up on that as well visually? Yeah, I think that for me, I just kept seeing Brave heart because that's probably the historical, you know, action drama that.

15:04 I'm most familiar with. Like from the, from the, the theme songs in the movie to the visuals. It, it just reminded me a lot of Brave heart and we talked about that in our Braveheart episode, that there's just kind of a flat look to the colors in the movie. That, as you said, it's Unique to the era and the Shen, the genre. And I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I think it's just something that you once you've seen enough movies in this era, you can immediately pick it out. From like anything else. Yeah, you know, we came into this Michael Mann, miniseries and Brad, you hadn't seen any of his films. And I had seen the first two that we did, but I was a little bit of a Michael Mann skeptic and re-watching heat. I think doing heat a second time, really made me a Michael Mann fan.

15:55 He didn't work for me the way it did for some people the first time I saw it and now watching it a second time I'm like, oh, this is a masterpiece and then I watch this movie and it feels so far out of the Wheelhouse that We've kind of created for ourselves, which is urban sprawl and high-level crime that that I don't know exactly how to fit it into his filmography. And it reminds me a lot of the struggles that people have when they try to pigeonhole. Someone like Scorsese, which is gangster movie and then you watch a movie like kundan or silence and you have to take a step back and examine the themes that he's working with. If you're really trying to apply sort of o2 or things to him will see Bob if you At the Japanese government in silence, like, the mob, then it really starts to actually make sense. Well, I guess what I'm saying?

16:43 Here is this, I do still see a lot of the Fingerprints of Michael Mann on this movie, because it is so much about codes and honoring codes and disrespecting codes the way that we had in movies like heat. And I think there's there's something there. But Daniel, I mean, you're the expert on this movie. How do you see this fitting into man's filmography? Fee. Well, the short answer I guess is that Michael Mann has honestly, never seemed to me a filmmaker who cares much about themes. Hmm. I have always felt like he's a filmmaker who cares predominantly about what is interesting to him visually and he'll, you know, story hunt or adapt a film purely around that.

17:29 And it's true that a lot of his films end up involved with or end up about, you know, crime stories in some way or another I don't think that's because he's interested in in, you know, good or bad or criminal punishment or anything like that. In terms of themes, I think it's just about the way he wants to portray action. Hmm, I was going to say. It seems to me like man is very interested in how crime creates high tension situations like he would never direct like 500 Days of Summer. Summer, you know, just about a normal relationship and how it affects this guy's life.

18:12 Like he, it doesn't seem like man would be interested in a story like that he wants to put his characters into really high-pressure situations and kind of see what comes out of them. Is that fair? Yeah, I think the most part that's there and I mean, you know, like you said with high-pressure situation, I think you can even fit Ali and The Insider it is Insider. Yeah for sure. All right, so I want to press you a little bit on man, then because I'm still like I tipped into being a man fan. And now I'm back into being a man agnostic, a little bit because, you know, I mentioned Edward, zwick, a little bit earlier and as I watched this film, I thought to myself What is man doing here?

18:52 Visually that an Edward zwick wouldn't do. And, you know, I don't mean to pit the two of them against each other, but in a lot of ways, this did feel like you're kind of standard Studio historical Epic from the the early to mid 90s. And so when you look at this film in particular, like what do you think man? Brings to the table visually that other directors couldn't or wouldn't do. So, when I think about the last of Mohicans, Hey, I do love the whole movie. I don't want to minimize that, but I almost feel like I have to specify that I'm really mostly talking about the last how that I think the last half hour is about as perfect as filmmaking gets and then T even Zoom more hyper specifically, the last 10 minutes and the last 10 minutes is why I think of is pure Cinema. There is no dialogue in the last 10 minutes except for the final coat aware there you know, standing at the cliff and talking about being the Unquote, last on the weekends, but before that, the final ten minutes is three things. It is music, it is imagery, and it is editing and there is no dialogue at all.

20:00 And so, when you ask about what man brings to this story, that's what, you know that that's an Edward zwick, doesn't that's what it is. Is it for man this story is all about how I can tell this story with a camera and Edward zwick I think is much more interested in. Kind of educating audiences. And also kind of moralizing to audiences which isn't to say that he's not good at the visual elements of film. I mean, I like a lot of bad words like movies but he has an agenda that goes beyond filmmaking. I would say. Where's Michael, man? Really doesn't from for man. I think it's, the filmmaking is the be-all end-all for the Lesser cinephiles out there. Can you give me some Edward, zwick movies? That would be common knowledge to the public? Yeah, the most famous ones are probably going to be glory Blood Diamond.

20:48 The Last Samurai, okay? Okay, he made some bangers. I really wish that that Hollywood was still like utilizing him to his full extent. Although I guess I'm glad that he's avoided, like, making a superhero movie because that's it seems like that's the last and now is like don't don't sell out to Marvel. Yeah, you know, he was really good at just making my bulleted historical crowd-pleasers which is kind of a niche and on in you know, into itself. Hmm. Yeah, absolutely. And something that we don't really You anymore. Yeah, it feels like those would make tons of money in 2023 just like just like the woman getting in Babylon dead. Hmm, exactly.

21:29 Brad. Seriously, I think by the time this episode comes out the woman King is going to be streaming on Netflix. And I've been telling you like all year that the great thing about the woman King is that it has the feel of an early 90s historical epic. Like yeah, it doesn't feel like Like a movie that's being made in 2023 and take that for what I mean, you know, I'm not trying to insinuate anything about that other than it just has that rousing Classic Hollywood structure and looseness and humor and like I couldn't believe as I was sitting in the theater watching that movie that it was coming out now and that it wasn't something from 30 years ago that I just happened to stumble upon, it's so good. I really, really like the woman King, it's in my top 10 of the year and when I saw it in Toronto, you know, I even treated like it feels reductive somehow to compare. To Gladiator and Braveheart, but those really are the most apt comparisons because they are movies that don't exist anymore and then I'll decide to here is one. Yeah hmm. 100% well I mean I wasn't sold before but Daniel hearing you say that, I've suddenly feel the urge to go watch the woman King.

22:36 It's really, really good. You are just, I worst man. I will take your word for a Daniel. Alright, let's talk about the performances in this movie. There's a few that I want to hone in on. But you know the most obvious one is Daniel Day-Lewis Brad. This is I think the only only the second Daniel Day-Lewis film, we've had on the show thus far. We haven't gotten around to, you know, Phantom thread. But we've done There Will Be Blood and now there's this one. And so, it's a very, very weird dichotomy of Daniel Day-Lewis films because There Will Be Blood, is a movie that is built around. The Daniel Day-Lewis performance, like as much as I love that movie.

23:18 There are very few filmmakers who are willing to just kind of like let their scenes go on for a too long amount of time because the actors just cooking and that's what Day Lewis is doing in that movie. And that's not the case here. And I feel like to be quite Frank, I really like Daniel Day-Lewis in this movie, but because it is such a conventional, Hollywood historical drama, I don't know that. Like anything about the performance really stands out in a kind of like, Transcendent way for me here. Yeah, I will say for some reason, I don't know why I was under the impression that he won the Academy Award for best actor for this performance.

24:01 So interesting, like I knew that he had won a few throughout his career but I really genuinely thought he had won it for The Last of the Mohicans. And so like I was getting near the end of the movie and I was like, man, like this is a good performance, you know, it's nothing to sneeze at but I don't know if it's a oscar-worthy. Performance, you know, especially with There Will Be Blood being being the other example of Daniel Day-Lewis I had in my head. So I think there are two interesting points to pick up on there one is that this movie actually was almost completely ignored by the Oscars. I think it won best sound, but I also it's only nomination. Yep, you are right there. You know and even weirder thing about that is the last Mohicans was a box office hit, you know, a lot of times with films like this, you can point to why the Oscars ignored Like, well, audience is kind of rejected it. And so, you know, Academy members just never saw it. This one, it was a hit and Oscar voters. Ignore to anyway.

24:55 So that's a weird thing in and of itself. But then the other thing that pickup on there is that so Daniel Day-Lewis did not win an Oscar for this movie, he won from my left foot, which was 1989. But this was his first movie after that even though it was three years later and it's fascinating to me to see Daniel Day-Lewis in the 80s and films, like my left foots, and my beautiful laundrette. That. Yep. And Room with a View, is this very sort of proper English actor? Doing very staid domestic period. Dramas. And then all the sudden here he is in a Hollywood action Blockbuster. And so, not only amazes me that this was his very next film.

25:36 And this is his first Hollywood film in his first American film. His first action movie. But that Michael man, saw something in his 80s work, that made him think this is, you know, they somehow Michael Watch my left foot and thought this is this is the guy for last week. I'd like to actually think that Daniel Day Lewis has like precognitive abilities and he knew he was going to get this role. So he was just like, living in the forest where Michael Mann, went to scout for the movie and he just stumbled upon Daniel Day-Lewis. Already being Nathaniel Coe, it's hilarious. That you said that because I watched the director's commentary on last weekend's for the first time today just to See if, you know, I was going to pick up any, I've seen the movie a million times, but I don't think I'd ever watch the directors commentary.

26:22 I want to see if I picked up anything extra and I'm sorry this wasn't even the directors commentary. This is a making up on the Blu-ray. There's interview with Daniel Day-Lewis on the making of where he says that the reason he took the role is because of the way Michael Mann pitch to him, the idea of people living in the forest and living off the land. Let's look for like what appealed to me about wanting to, you know, enter that world and do this film with Michael. Speaking of entering a world, I want you guys to enter an alternate reality with me, just for a moment here where it's kind of too bad. You know, a lot of times people win an Oscar and then they go make their big action Blockbuster after the fact, because it's like, all right. I you know, I labored away trying to win this thing. Now I want to go have some fun but we were only a few years away from like if Day-Lewis wins his Oscar in in 92 and then takes three years off, we could have plausibly had him come back.

27:18 Back with an action Blockbuster directed by Michael Bay. And I am I am so sad that we never got the Day-Lewis Bay pairing. Like the rock could have been Day-Lewis and not Nicolas Cage. That would have been something easily could have been Daniel Day-Lewis that gets the Sean Connery lecture about going to prom queen. Yes. And he would have done it with such gravitas like that's his Oscars clip right there. All right, Brad, I guess. Let's go. Didn't talk about Madeleine Stowe in this movie. Who is somebody you know to borrow shamelessly from a podcast that we've already mentioned on. Here is an actress that really got swallowed up by the mid to late 90s and we can say got Market corrected by a couple other actresses. But truly, I mean she had a moment there and then was pretty much gone.

28:10 And, you know, Daniel a you're a few years older than we are. So I'm sure that you may be followed her career a little bit more closely than we did. But I mean, in your opinion like what happened to Madeleine Stowe the short answer is I have no idea. I think of her and Julia Ormond and and the same kind of category is these beautiful brunette actresses that had this sort of classical range to them. MIT were in a pretty good number of major, huge Hollywood movies in the early to mid 90s and then just disappear off the face of the Earth. And you know, II don't know the answer. So I don't want to pretend Do I do? But with a lot of these actresses, I think sometimes the cases they didn't want it that they that they, you know, wanted to raise a family.

28:56 Instead, you know, that's definitely what happened to Bridget Fonda and she said as much. Yeah. But whether or not that's the case with what happened, Madeleine Stowe, I have no idea but you know, another one of my favorite movies from the air has 12 Monkeys, which she was also fantastic. Yeah, I do think that you can never underestimate the Julia Roberts atomic bomb. That went off in Hollywood in the 90s and how I mean, your, you hit the nail on the head, there was just like a plethora of brunette leading women, and, you know, she's one of them and I think very, like, her face. Very structurally, reminds me a lot of Juliette binoche as well. And so, I think there may have been some confusion, you know? I think she looks a lot like Andie MacDowell. Like, there were just so many people competing for these roles and then all of a sudden, Julia Roberts upends all that and now there's no more rules because everybody wants like this redhead, who's do, you know, doing a completely different thing. It's just really interesting to me to see people throughout, you know, Hollywood history, who had such a good career and then they just happened to run up against the 2017 Warriors of of actresses or actors.

30:03 And it just seems like the whole climate of Hollywood changes and the rug gets pulled out from under them a little bit. Yeah, you know that I was listening to a Hollywood Reporter podcast interview with Michelle Pfeiffer a while back and there's a part where in the interview where they just said, you know, I I've seen your name attached to a lot of roles that you allegedly turned down. Can we just go through some of them and the interviewer Wist off, probably 15 movies in a row. Just were you offered that one and she says yep that one. Yep and it was it was everything from that are it was it was pretty woman, it was Thelma and Louise, you know, every major lead female role from that era and Silence of the Lambs and movie. That remember Michelle, Pfeiffer turned down before when someone else. Hmm, all right? Brad, what do you think of Madeleine Stowe in this movie?

30:43 I thought she was really great. I think that she has a gravity. Is, she has like a solidness to her character and the way she portrays her character that like really draws you in. And I think that one of the most important things for me with any romance in a movie, is that it has to be believable that the two people would fall for each other. And I think that with Daniel Day-Lewis playing this man caught in between two worlds, extremely serious, you know, motivated person. You have to have a similar character opposite of him and I think that Madeline Stowe really does a great job with that. You know, you couldn't just have oh, I don't know like like one of the the younger sisters from Pride and Prejudice. You know some young British girl who's just completely silly about her life, like you needed somebody who's a little bit older, a little more mature and I thought you did really really great with that.

31:46 Yeah, I want her in the role and more important. I think she and Daniel Day-Lewis is have fantastic chemistry in the movie? I'm young, you know, the the seduction scene where he famously. She asked him what he's looking at. He says I'm looking at you miss just the way they look at each other. You know that's you can't. You can't manufacture that kind of chemistry. Hmm. It makes you it makes you wonder like what Day-Lewis was up to with his method acting? He just actually fall head over heels in love. Her like as part of the role. Well, let me tell you something about his method acting that I weren't in the making of is that he really did learn how to run and load to muskets at the same time. That's incredible.

32:27 If she didn't fall in love with him after that, I don't know what else he could do. Yeah, this is so funny. Brad. Usually we don't talk about people's like physical looks on the show. It's something that's not usually apropos to. What we're talking about Sylvester Stallone with a beard. I was gonna say over the last few weeks, the attractiveness of Male leads has come up. Repeatedly. Yeah and you know last week we said De Niro and heat might be Peak attractive De Niro. I don't know man. This might be Peak attractive Day-Lewis 100%. I don't even know what else would be a competitor. I mean I think if you wanted to go like the salt and pepper look you could you could offer up Phantom thread but it's a completely different look. Yeah you know and to say a little bit more about the chemistry between Daniel Day-Lewis and Madeleine Stowe in the film The the scene under the water All were Daniel day was gives the famous, you know, no matter how far no matter, you know, how I'll find you, no matter how long like that is one of the corniest scenes in movie history. But it works here because you actually believe in that set of emotions between these two characters. Mmm, and you replace it with any other actors and that becomes one of the most laughable scenes in film history. But with these two because of what they brought to the film up to that point the movie gets away with it. Yeah.

33:45 Bob you know, I have talked a lot. A lot about how there's not really any young, you know, super star talent in the acting world right now. And I like I really think about, you know what if you threw a Chris Evans in that role or a Michael B Jordan or something like that, where I'm like I just don't see them being able to, you know, if I'm guessing the Daniel Day-Lewis was in his mid-30s when he had this role. Yeah, thereabouts. Yeah. I don't see them. Mid-30s being able to pull off that line and that scene in the way the Day-Lewis does. Because you're right Daniel he knocks it out of the park. Now if there is somebody in this cast that I think actually steals the whole damn movie it's Wes studi as magua he is fantastic.

34:33 Like talk about the kind of performance that should have been nominated for an Oscar as much as I love ddl. Like the best performance in this movie is him as the villain. Yeah. He's an incredible villain. It should not go unsaid that. He speaks I think three different languages in the film. Mhm. And Wes studi did actually get an honorary, Oscar, a few years back for being one of the great Native, American actors. Yeah, and well deserved man and it's just, you know, again, it's too bad. That it couldn't be recognized in the moment because it sounds like we're all in agreement here. He's the best performance in the film for me easily. Yeah, he he brings a tenacity to that role that you just don't often see in villains. And I loved it, man.

35:18 And while we're talking about the Native American actors in the film, we should mention. I just found out that the actor who plays Daniel Day-Lewis is adoptive. Father, the Mohican Chingo took in the film is his name is Russell Means and this is his first movie. He was actually one of the main characters in The Wounded Knee, standoff against the FBI in 1973, and Michael man sought him out to put him in the movie for that reason. Wow. Man talk about a great debut. Yeah. Ho like he didn't even kick around on the Indie scene for any amount of time is just straight into Last of the Mohicans. Yeah, Michael Mann said in the commentary that, you know, Russell Means, is in his mid-50s at the time and had saw him out because he thought, you know, and making a film about Native Americans would be beautiful. If the, you know, one of the Public's main imagery of Native Americans was in the film.

36:07 And so years in his mid-50s and he was out of shape, as most people in the mid 50's are the way Michael Mann. Put it, but it only took him about three weeks to get completely ready. E for the film, holy cow. I guess when you hang around with Day-Lewis, living in the forest, life is exactly just whip you into shape. All right. Before we go to break guys, is there anybody else from the cast that you want to call out for their performances? There are a lot of actors in the film who have smaller parts that people might not. Realize are there? No from elsewhere, the actor who played price in Mad Men is one of the British soldiers. Oh yeah. What is his name price? We'll just call him price. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. He postlethwaite shows up for a hot dog. People, the waiters in the film.

36:50 Sorry, I'm gonna look at this actor's name real fast. And also the actress who plays Madeleine Stowe is that younger sister in the film Cora? She only met go team a. Yeah, she was in Game of Thrones, she was Maggy. The Frog who gives the prophecies to Cersei that her kids will all die, huh? Oh, that's cool. I love when people like kind of kick around in the same genres for most of their career, like Brad. The guy in Braveheart with the scars on his face every time he was in a movie. After that, it was like, yep, you see that guy in a movie? And you're like, I know exactly what kind of movie this is going to be. Now like I just love it when you can find an actor and when you see them show up in a movie, you immediately know like what trajectory the movies going to go on Bob book?

37:38 Huge fan of Typecast. Jared Harris is the British actors name to his price and admitted. He was also the star of the HBO miniseries about the reactor explosion. Oh, Chernobyl, yeah, your Noble, yes, he was the star of Chernobyl. No, man. Well, Brad on that note. I think it's time for us to hit pause. We're going to try this Glenlivet Enigma, but before we get into that, our friends at Detroit City, Distillery have hooked, Daniel up with some samples. So, unfortunately, you know, the u.s. mail being what it is, we could not send Daniel a sample of the Enigma that we're tasting today, but we have some good Connections in the Michigan area and I think they made a like, a home delivery to Daniel to drop off some samples. And I'd love to get your thoughts on them. Daniel before we go to break.

38:22 Rake here. They did. I unfortunately have not tasted them yet but in addition to the samples they gave us a a past for a tour of the Distillery of the to James. Distillery in Detroit, that my wife and I are very excited to go on. Oh nice. We tried. We tried all three of those I think earlier in the season and there's one it's a vermouth finish. Try Phenomenal. Yeah. Like just yeah so so good. And so how do you recommend drinking that as fast as possible? No, I think it's honestly, it'll be really good over a big rock. It's good neat. You know it's like it's pretty high proof as I remember Brad. I think it was like 115 proof or something. But yeah, man.

39:04 It was darn good. Yeah, honestly, Daniel, I am really excited for you to get up to Detroit City. Distillery that that'll be a blast for you guys. Yeah, we're looking forward to it. All right, Brad, let's jump into this Glenlivet. What do you say? Let's get to it. Are you popinjays me? George, be stagger, your trusted voice in the world of selective Spirits. Today's 60-second whiskey appraisal is brought to you by doc Swensons, doc Swensons the perfect whiskey for adventurous whiskey. Explorers today we're reviewing their Tres Amigos, one of their exploratory Cask Series, this is a straight rye, whiskey, finishing rum, and to kill barrels. On the nose. It's all orange to me, friends citrus fruit and agave with just a hint of pair. The palette is a main mix of toasted, sugar, peppercorn, and citrus and the Finish is just burst in for pineapple vanillin. Oh my golly, this whiskey is Bonkers. Delicious.

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40:42 Absolutely no information about it. Like they, they legally, they have to put the ABV on the packaging. So we know that this is a very high proof Scotch but they don't release any tasting notes. They don't release any of the information about The barrel or how long it's been aged, like, it's kind of cool. It's like a little game. And then later on, in the year of that special release, they ostensibly release that information to the public so they can play along. This was the fourth one in that series. It came out in 2019, so it's like, you know, it was a one-off release, you might still find some on the Shelf. Brad, I think I picked this up in the Ohio liquor last call section because you know, it's a limited release so they had to get it off their books. And so we've been Open onto it for a while. I wanted to try to pair it up with the movie A Beautiful Mind, because we've been talking about doing that one for a while and then when that didn't make it onto this year's list of movies, I was just like, screw it.

41:35 Like we need to, we need to drink it before it's been available for five years, right? So we're pairing it up with Last of the Mohicans. And we'll have to find some clever way of linking the two, but that's what we're drinking today. This is, hey, if it's if all of them are based on Mysteries, do they like send you a deerstalker hat to go with it? They say. Should, here's the funny thing about this one though. Brad I can find information about all of their other mystery releases, but it doesn't look like they ever actually released the info on Enigma truly. Truly an Indiana. Yeah, I mean I guess maybe you know it was late 2019. So maybe they were really worried about this new pandemic thing that was about to go around the world but like I just can't believe like it looks like they finally posted some tasting notes but then they actually incorrectly labeled them.

42:24 As belonging to a different bottle in this mystery Series. So I don't know if they're even really the right tasting notes, so we're really going into this blind, and I'm kind of happy about that. What you're saying is that the only tasting notes, people really need is ours. That's right. So you have had this already. I have not, like I said, this is clocking in at a pretty staggering. Let's see what's that at 60.6% ABV or 120. 1.2 proof. Making this I believe the highest proof Scotch whiskey we've ever had on the show. Yeah, I was in say, is it Ardbeg? That has a barrel proof Scotch that we had?

43:04 Yeah. And Laphroaig has one too, but I don't think we've tried their Cask strength version. We have with the Ardbeg. Which one was that? Iguodala who good? All yeah, who'd always delicious. Yeah, I honestly after having this one I think that more scotches need to be made at Cask strength because they're Is Bob live, really? Really good. I am swirling this around in my glass right now, Brad, and I have to say the color on. This is really interesting. It's a little bit more, like caramely and color than you'd normally get with a scotch and an almost has like, a reddish Hue to it. It's like a strawberry blond, kind of like, kind of whiskey. I'm digging it so far, man, but let's go ahead and jump into our nosing notes. I'm going to stick my nose in this class while you Regale us with yours.

43:50 Yeah, this one has an incredible knows. I got a little It of Honey at the start and then there's some charcuterie, there's some vanilla and then a little hint of an herbal almost like a Watercress. It has such a fascinating. Those here that I really, really like I will give it an eight and a half. I'm going to just stick it a seven and a half on this. And the only reason for that is I'm picking up pretty much everything that you're laying down here. But the first thing that jumped out to me is that this almost reminds me of like a younger Rye or a Hunger bourbon. There's some yeast Enos on this that I don't typically get on Irish or scotch whiskies and it's kind of the first time I've ever really experienced this on a scotch.

44:35 So, I have to imagine that that's intentional. That this is not just a really young Scotch, because Brad we've had really young malt whiskies before they don't smell yeasty. You know what I mean? So, this smells like very, very bready. And that's kind of the predominant note here for me. I like it, but my past experience with things that smell like, Yeast is not great. So I'm gonna give it a seven and a half. Well I am going to move onto the palette here on the taste. I think that you get some mint right off the front and there's that honey coming through vegetable hits the mid palate and then there's a little bit of caramel mixed with almost like a peppery. White pepper feel as well.

45:17 I think that this is an incredible tasting Scotch Bob. This is to give it. This is beautiful. Yeah, I'm gonna give it Nine out of ten on the palate. Yeah man this wow it's got the sweet and light and bright notes of an Irish whiskey on the front but with even more sweetness this is like almost Bourbon sweet on the front. It hits the mid palate and then it really opens up and it kind of reminds me just like experientially of that Glenmorangie a star we had last week where it was pretty tame on the front and then once it hit the mid palate it was like hey here's that alcohol it's very tingly on the tongue it Don't really hit you as much on the Finish or like the the sort of chest burn on the way down, but it also doesn't drink like 120 proof. It brings those great kind of herbal almost bitter, notes of a smoky scotch on the back like in this is not PD, but it has that great sort of smokiness.

46:13 We've come to expect just in terms of like how it delivers that Char level. This is a beautiful Scotch man, it's software. It needs to be soft. It packs a punch where it needs to pack a punch. I'm going to give this Not attend on the flavor. Yeah. I like I said before, there needs to be more cash strength scotches out there. People the finish here comes off a little bit from the palette. There's some folks some tobacco and then it kind of took on a little bit of a cherry cordial flavor at the end a little bit creamy that I liked, I'll give it an 8 out of 10 on the Finish, you know. It kind of reminds me of on the Finish is like the nose and the initial tasting notes of like a Willett bourbon. Duct.

46:55 It's got that sort of like Rosie but also cherry flavor but it's mingled with that sort of like cigarette Ash thing you get on Scotch. It's a really interesting it doesn't quite get medicinal but it's kind of teetering on the edge there. I like it because it still stays pretty sweet but I do think it is a step down from the palette a little bit. I'm going to give it an 8 out of 10. Yeah. And then we get into balance. I actually think that this is one of the best balanced Whiskey's we've had in a little while. You know, I my scores for nose and finish were a little below the taste, but I think this is a really complex whiskey. That has a lot of interesting flavors working together beautifully.

47:35 I'm going to give it a nine and a half on balance. Wow, yeah I don't know if it's quite that well balanced for me just because the nose didn't give away how complex and how much of a journey it would be on the palate and on the finish, it was kind of a dull nose by comparison and that's going to dig me just a little bit, but I'm going to I'm out to an eight and a half on the balance. Yeah. And then that takes us into our value category. Now obviously you're not able to purchase this, you know, from retailers anymore as it's been out for a few years but the best I can find is that currently you could find it online for $150. I've seen a couple online stores offering it for about 110 and I again I'm not factoring in the shipping on that so I have no idea after shipping how much this would cost you.

48:24 When I This up off the shelf in Ohio, it was at $100 and I think that's a fantastic value for this Brad and I'll get into my score on was the market. Currently is but for a barrel proof, Scotch whiskey. That is like, let's be frank here. It's part of the gimmick and I have no idea how old this actually ended up being. But I have to imagine that this is, you know, at the very least what 68 years old Brad, like is not to be normally sold at under that age points. So I mean, I think a hundred dollars is a pretty darn good value for what you're getting here. At 110, 120 130, I have to factor that in a little bit, but I still think Brad that this is like, at least an 8 out of 10 on value.

49:09 Yeah, I think at a well, yeah, I think if we're talking 110 120, I'm with you at an 8 out of 10. I did do my value at $150, which I would, I would give it a 7 out of 10, so I'll stick it a 7 out of 10. And I think it's a little bit high at 150 but still a really good value. But yeah, you're right if this was a hundred dollars, this would be like a 99 and a half out of ten value. I mean I'm really glad we held off on this one till the last episode of the season. This feels like it feels like a special occasion whiskey. I'm not necessarily saying that it is and it's certainly not in that sort of rarefied air of some of these allocated bottles. We've tried before but because it is a special release. It's hard to get your hands on now. And then when you factor in the proof point, and just how complex the flavor is man, if you can find a bottle of Glenlivet Enigma, I would highly recommend trying out or buying it.

50:05 Yeah, 100%. This is a whiskey that would be awesome to have on your shelf. Also if you haven't seen it before please Google an image of it because it is a killer bottle. Yeah, the packaging Is Awesome on this man. Brad, I'm coming out to a 40 1 out of 50. What do you coming out to? I'm at a 42 out of 50 Bob. Oh wow. Okay, so we're at a 41.5 on average or an 83 out of 100 and you did that math. So fast, dude, I'm so good at this. This is pretty much a no-brainer recommendation, I think yeah, easy, easy recommend. If you see it at the bar, get up, or if you are able to get a bottle, definitely buy it. All right.

50:45 Brad well that was pretty painless and dare I say enjoyable let's get back into talking about Last of the Mohicans. What do you say? Let's get to it. All right, everybody that was Glenlivet Enigma a whiskey that I had the very least thought was truly incredible. Hmm. A true Enigma a true Enigma you know it isn't a true Enigma, how terrible you are at two facts in the faucet to facts and a falsehood every time I am given a glimmer of hope that I will finish above 500 on this season. The door just said, yes. I mean, it slams. Shut, you got me again last week with heat. You I as I recall last week, you crafted some pretty good ones. Yeah.

51:32 Well I only craft one. That's all, that's true. That's the internet crafts. The other two, how long till you start using like chat GPT to start making these these questions who's to say that I haven't been using it all. It's all been an AI simulation. I'm an AI. That's it. All right, man. So for those who are uninitiated to facts in a falsehood is exactly what it sounds like Brad pulls a couple facts, facts in quotation marks, off of the internet, about the making of this movie. He adds one of his own falsehoods to the mix, and I have to try to parse out which ones are true. And which one is the falsehood. Brad, go ahead and hit me with your two facts in a falsehood.

52:15 Alright, eFax number one, Colonel, Munro here is a heavily fictionalized Version of his real-life counterpart. The real Colonel Munro. Never married had no children. He survived the massacre of his men and reached Albany. Only the died. Three months later of an epileptic seizure. That's what you get, fact number two, the story told by Nathaniel when they are hiding from the Huron war party was based on the poem Stargazer written by famous Native, American poet crisostomo Apache. Fax number three. As a personally as a big Star Wars fan myself. Elf I couldn't help but notice that the Wilhelm scream was inserted about an hour and a half into the movie, right? When Daniel Day-Lewis bludgeons an enemy in the face Oh man, what was inserted half hour and the Earth The Wilhelm scream, huh?

53:08 Are you familiar? I don't think I am. It's a sound effect that is in like hundreds and hundreds of movies and it's the sound effect of the guy just going like like when they falls off of something. It's like a howl. It's in hundreds of films. Yeah, I believe the very first use of it though was in 1977 s. Star Wars. Was it really? I don't know, it was from like the 30s, like King Kong or something. Oh, I I might just be a Star Wars stand and assume that everything came out of Star Wars, but I thought it came from Star Wars. Well, we'll fact check that but I have to fact-check to other things first here. So, Man, here's the thing Brad sometimes you come up with very innocuous sounding facts like none of these sounded spicy or sexy at all.

53:57 So I just assume that they're all true because they're kind of boring. Yeah, you're not gonna get much help from you on this because I have absolutely no idea. Yeah. And sense is that the first one sounded too? Well, research to be made up, but beyond that, I have no clue. Number two. I also just kind of feel like, okay, I like it doesn't add anything to the enjoyment of the film. So it just kind of seems like Cool. Maybe there's a maybe there's a pineapple know that my job was to add to your enjoyment of the film. Bob I'm just gonna go ahead and say number three is the falsehood and that you didn't have anything on your mind to think about except for Star Wars. So you just made up the Star Wars one Bob.

54:39 That is not true because the fact is true, The Wilhelm scream is in the film. At the our I think it's our 38. Minutes. It's somewhere in the like right around an hour and a half. Now did you notice that yourself or was that on IMDb somewhere? It was on IMDb and then I went back to that that area and heard, okay, okay. It's not quite as clear as it is in the Star Wars films, but it is there. Okay, fact. Number two was the falsehood. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, Stargazer, although I did, do research Cristo so Apache is a famous, Native, American poet.

55:19 Well, there you go, man. So you got me again. Nailed it. I'm ending the season on such a downer here. I'm ending the season on a great great upswing, so I'm not complaining Bob. All right, well let's steer out of that because that was just a brutal. And let's start talking about this movie some more and Daniel, I think the thing that I really want to key in on here is I love the fact that you are just like you came on the podcast. You're like it's my favorite movie ever and then And then immediately said, Honestly, though, it's the last half hour and I'm really glad you said that because right before you hopped on the call with us tonight. Brad and I were talking about how you know, this movie really felt a little bit not dated, but just kind of slow and a little bit stayed in the first hour or so. And then, that last 40 something minutes was like a breath of fresh air.

56:15 And I want to go in a little bit on that. I mean, you've talked about the Cinematic Of the last 10 minutes, but I really think it Bears repeating here because it's so similar to our experience with heat last week. I think, man just really knows how to end a film. Yeah. So I basically think of the film is, there's the whole film. There's the last 40 minutes and there's the last 10 minutes, the whole film. I give a B+. Hmm. Last 40 minutes. I given a and the last 10 minutes I give an A plus plus plus. I love that Brad. Can you think of any other movies that you feel that way about? Like, all right, if you just crop out this segment of the movie, it's a 10 out of 10 but the rest of it's like an eight.

56:56 Honestly, we can jump back into Star Wars for a second. I think that the endings of both Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi are flat-out. Incredible. You know, like when we when we did Return of the Jedi said the final battle scene from you know, about the last 40 minutes of the movie. Movie. I think is just some of the greatest action sequences of all time. I think the same thing about Revenge of the Sith, the last like, 30, 40 minutes, that movie are impeccable. The first half's of both. Those movies. As a, as a massive Star Wars fan are really not good movies. We're just not great and I end and that doesn't detract from my enjoyment of them.

57:41 But I'm with you in that, like, if you honed in, it's almost like your Going to telescope and you're looking at, you know, the whole forest and the zoom in onto a little bit of it and you're like, oh wow, that's really beautiful there and then you hone in even further like you said the last 10 minutes and you're like oh wow, there's some great stuff going on here. Yeah, kind of the Howard, Hawks famous quote of it, the key to a great film is no bad side is 3. Good scenes and no bad scenes. And last Mohicans is like, no bad scenes and then the last the best half-hour you're ever going to see in your life. I was on Twitter today as I am want to do, and I saw a clip from The Social Network. And I mean, my spicy take is that I think the social network is a really good movie, but it's no zodiac. However, it was the scene towards the end of the movie like in the last 15 minutes, where Andrew Garfield blows up on him and smashes the laptop and tells him you better lawyer up ass like it's such a great sequence. I think I saw the same tweet because it was someone talking about how The random quote I'm sorry I wasn't wearing my you flip.

58:48 Yeah it was like her favorite lines ever and I started thinking about how good the ending of that movie is like I don't know that that movie is really like the the ultimatum on society that people want to make it into like it's a very small and intimate story, but from that moment to, you know, the the final speech that Rashida Jones gives where she says, you're not an asshole, you're just trying so hard to be and then immediately, the Needle drop of baby. You're a rich man. It is such a great last, 15 minutes. Whereas the rest of the movie is like a b-plus to me. I adore The Social Network, my hot take on why it hasn't survived as well. Historically is because we no longer think of Facebook as a social network. We now think of it is the network them on parents and aunts and uncles just spread Republican disinformation on her as if Facebook were still like a big part of our daily lives as a real.

59:45 So, Network that we use to maintain contact with our friends, then the movie would feel more. It work, you would retain more power to us more relevant. Yeah, I like that guys. I I so adore the fact that we have gotten off on so many tangents today and it's like really making me wonder how we're going to do our next segment, which we call. Let's make it a double. I'm not going to pair this up with the social network, but let's make it. A double is our challenge to ourselves and to our guests to find a movie too. Pair up with Last of the Mohicans to make the perfect double feature Brad, you want to start or should we let our guests start? Yeah, I think I actually have a pretty unique pick here. The theme song.

1:00:28 In this movie obviously has a very brave Hardy Gladiator type of feel to it but there's moments of it where I was listening to it at the end of the film and I was like, you know, this actually kind of reminds me of like a western theme song. There was something about that, that just clicked in my brain. I'm going to pair this with the Searchers, so interesting. I think that there's enough of a Vibe of the man dedicated to find his person. No matter. What's that, like, connects them as a through line, and I think it'd be a really unique viewing experience, but I think watching The Last of the Mohicans and then going into the Searchers would be a really fascinating movie evening, I think that would be like, like, I can just see that pairing on A syllabus in like an intro to film class where it the point of it is depictions of Native Americans on film because there are such wildly different.

1:01:25 You know, very famously. We just did the Searchers a couple months ago, like, the main villain in that movie is supposed to be a Native American, it's played by a German guy. Like you ain't just really rough that did not age well at all, and but I think you're right. Brad that there are some some themes that they share in common. Common and they do have that sort of, I don't know if they have that, that weightiness to them, that these kind of sprawling historical epics. Have I like that pairing? Yeah. Thanks man. I'll go next because I don't think that mine is going to be that good this week. Sometimes I come up with really clever ones and I was trying to think of like oh maybe if you just want to watch five hours of British soldiers getting shot like pair it up with rrr that would be a fantastic double parent great.

1:02:14 But I think, honestly, the one that keeps coming back to me is The Last Samurai, which is again. I think would be an interesting pairing to compare and contrast. The Last Samurai is a movie that has caught a lot of crap over the last decade or so. Because, you know, it gets lumped in as a white, savior movie. I think it's a little bit more Nuance than people make it out to be, but they both have that sort of Classic Hollywood feel to them and I think they also share really similar themes, Brad. You said it perfectly earlier about a man torn. Between Two Worlds. We haven't talked about the ending of this film yet. I think I will a little bit in my final score, but the way the note that this movie ends on is not quite a downer but it it makes you think more than any other part of the movie, makes you think. And I really love that questions of identity, arise towards the end of this film and it's really similar with The Last Samurai so that's going to be my pairing.

1:03:11 Can I ask a quick question to clarify? Did I miss something? NG where they talked about how like the Mohican tribe had died out. Yeah, that was like right at the beginning and actually might have been in the title card. Yeah, I would say, I don't think you missed anything. And again, this goes again to what man's idea of the movie is. I don't think he cared that much about teaching people anything. I think he just wanted to make a story that appealed to his visual sense. Hmm. Okay. I just want to make sure I didn't miss anything. So I was like wait a second. So like Ching, got Chuck just announces that he's The Last of the Mohicans and I was kind of like Wait, wait. Wait, like I know that's the title of the film but but the title is over, Daniel Day-Lewis and I thought he was The Last of the Mohicans and I remember him saying anything about it but but if that's not what man was going for then that's fine. I'm in something interesting about this film is that in the entry you guys talked about whether you're familiar with the source material or ever read the book. I don't think Michael Mann's ever read the book either and I know I say that and I don't say that as a joke, I think it was intentional.

1:04:12 He talked about in the director's commentary that That his impetus for making, the film is that he loved seeing the 1936 version when he was like, five years old. Hmm. And he wanted to basically remake his memory of the 1936 version. So I don't think he cared about the book as Source material at all to him. The source material was the 1936 film. I love that. I just love it when directors completely discard the sort, like, you know, all the stories about Scorsese never watching infernal Affairs before he did The Departed. Like, I don't know if I buy it. I love that they're just like, nope. I'm gonna do my own thing, not even worried about the source material. Yeah, I mean far, be it for me to call Scorsese a liar, but I'm not sure I buy that because when you see the two films, The Departed is almost a shot-for-shot remake.

1:04:58 Yeah. So, anyway, Last Samurai is my pick and I think it goes back to what you're saying here to Brad. Like not only does it ask these questions of identity, but it also kind of asked the question of like, who is The Last Samurai, who is The Last of the Mohicans and, you know, we can make it a triple feature and just bring your Edit Star Wars film into that and do the Last Jedi as well. Let's have a last series, Daniel, what is your pick for the double feature? So, you know everything I love about the last Mohicans is the way the last 10 minutes or structured. And the way Michael man creates what I think is this absolute perfect Fusion between imagery music and editing and dialogue isn't even remotely a part of that. So I tried to think of another movie where the ending is. Perfect capture of visuals music and editing and doesn't need dialogue.

1:05:50 And guess what? I've stumbled on another Michael Mann film. So, it is Ali, the Will Smith Muhammad Ali biopic from 2001, which is not one of man's most well-regarded films, and there are parts of it that don't work there parts that the come off as a bit of a mess. But when you get to the last 15 minutes of that film, which are the famous Rumble, In the jungle fights between Muhammad Ali and George Foreman that the last 15 minutes just bang on all cylinders and especially their. What's interesting to me about both Ali. And in last weekend's is just before the ending. I can point to an exact moment where it's like, okay, this is where it like almost like really starts for me with last Mohicans.

1:06:40 It's right, when the music kicks in and they put the guy on the flyer and they Walking away from the Indian work out. Yeah. With all we, it is during the ali/foreman fight during a timeout between rounds. And one of the girls holding the round cards is kind of walking around the ring and she catches a glimpse of Ali and Ali Winx in her. And from that moment, the next five minutes are about the best five minutes, you'll ever see in your life and it's a perfect Recreation of the ending of the ali/foreman. 1974 fight scene only the way Michael Mann. Can see it. No dialogue just music ends on the most gorgeous, freeze-frame, you'll ever see.

1:07:21 And it gives me goosebumps no matter how many times I watch it. Yeah, I think Brad, that's one thing we haven't really talked about with man, and it's because there haven't been a lot of needle drops in the movies that we watched, but he really is one of the best when it comes to incorporating existing music into his movies and his sensibility, for, like, what music can do to transport you. And I've been holding On this because I know that you have never watched anything by man, but he helped create Miami, Vice the TV show, the famous TV show, there's an episode of Miami Vice, it's like the second or third episode ever and there's been this like overarching story arc where they're going to try to take down this drug kingpin and it's the, you know, it's these two cops and they are pretty much convinced that they're going to die. And Don Johnson's character is divorced and lonely. Lee and brooding.

1:08:17 And there's a letter for you to know that I have Goosebumps because I already know what scene you're talking about. It's so freaking good, man. And and he pulls over on the side of the road as they're like going to try to take down this drug kingpin and he calls his wife on a pay phone. And they had this conversation where he just asks like you know, was it real between us you know, and behind all that he layers in Phil Collins In the Air Tonight and then the drums hit and it's like nothing had ever been like that on TV before. Or I think since it's like one of the best directed things I've ever seen in my entire life to your point. Daniel it's probably the most Blissful three minutes I've ever spent like watching anything.

1:08:57 It just like it really is this kind of like transporting experience. Yeah and something I love about Cinema is the the very specific curation of the last shots and knowing exactly, you know, do the the credits start rolling this second or two seconds later And I feel like no one is better at that than Michael, man. You know, I don't know if you guys have seen his Miami Vice film adaptation with Colin Farrell and Jamie Foxx, but the way that film ends and he uses a Mogwai song to soundtrack the ending and the final shot of I think it's Colin Farrell walking into the hospital to check on someone and just everything about it is just the perfect ending. Well I think this has been about the perfect ending to our season six, Brad.

1:09:42 That means we only have one thing left to do and that's to give this movie A Final score out of 10. I do feel a little bit better knowing that Daniel kind of thinks of the movie as a whole, is a B+ because I'm kind of in the same boat like there are moments in this movie that are absolutely Transcendent and then taken as a whole. I really do think it kind of belongs in the conversation with the movie like Glory with a movie like Braveheart. I think Brad I'm going to give this movie an 8 out of 10 at that hour and 15-minute Mark. I was at like a seven and that was kind of generous honestly and then the last 45 minutes happened and I was like, oh my gosh, this man, Michael man knows how to end a film, that's in the moment from the moment.

1:10:22 They are surrendering the forward and start marching out of the for ya from that moment. You're in for one hell of a next 40 minutes. Absolutely. And again, I, you know, I want to talk real briefly about that very last scene because I thought the movie was going to end in a very conventional way. And then they make that that last kind of Ambush to get the girls back and it ends, Tragically. And then you have the Reflection Point at the end of the movie, with Hawkeye and his adoptive father, and his, his father is saying like, I Am The Last of the Mohicans. And then they just shared this very long knowing look where it says and you are not like you're not The Last of the Mohicans like you might be My adoptive son. But my son is dead.

1:11:09 And I'm the last one in this lineage and it really hammers home. This idea that Hawk guy is a guy that's caught between two worlds and we'll never really feel like he belongs in either of them and it really deepened the movie and added so much Nuance that hadn't been there before. I think that exchange alone kind of bumped. This movie up to an 8 for me Brad. Yeah, I think all of that is fair. I think for me I'm going to give it a seven and a half out of ten. There's just a lot of this movie that didn't totally work for me and for being Somebody who's kind of known for a lot of his action scenes. I think the action scenes in this movie, let me down a lot and at least some of the bigger set pieces.

1:11:54 I can't tell you how many times I was watching this and you just kind of have this big old shot of the entire battle that lingers a little too long, which I think is another issue I have with man man's action scenes, but you just see like, you know, actors just kind of standing around waiting for somebody to come attack them and and the Choreography of the scenes is not very impactful and then there's moments where it is really impactful and, you know, when he kills magua at the end of the movie, it's like brutal and awesome. So I don't want to see. It doesn't do any of it. Good. It just there's enough moments that for me. I just felt like this was a fine movie. All right.

1:12:36 Daniel, are you splitting? The difference between us? Are you gonna raise it a little bit here? No, it's a 10, ha ha, ha. No, it's okay. You guys are sports guys. So it's the question of like, do you how do you evaluate someone's career? Do you evaluate the breadth of their career? Do you evaluate who they were at their best? Mmm, and for me, you know, I can understand watching lots of Mohicans and thinking, that it doesn't grab you until the last 40 minutes. But the way, those last 40 minutes, grab you just erases all sentence. Yeah, I've got a few movies like that where because I was going to say, it sounds like you're talking to yourself right now. Because the whole podcast up to now, you're like, yeah, it's really just the last 40 minutes and then you come in at the end and you're like yeah but the last 40 minutes cover everything else. I definitely got a few movies like that in my life, where the ending is so good.

1:13:28 That it elevates everything around it. So yeah, man, I'm down for it. Give it a 10, but don't get me wrong. I mean, there are stuff in the first hour and 15 minutes but I still really like it. Just it's not like the last 40 minutes. Well Brad we've finished out Michael, man. We've done it. I'd like to hear what you think. Can you rank the three movies that we did in terms of your preference heat collateral Mohicans? Yeah, I think I'm in the same spot collateral on the re-watch was a bigger letdown for me than I expected it to be because it just tried to do what he did and it did it more on the nose and that really bothered me, he definitely got bumped up in my estimation like I never would have thought of giving it.

1:14:13 Nine before this watch through and I think this movie Last of the Mohicans might grow in my estimation on re-watch. But you know, coming out of it really fresh on my first watch through. I think I'm in the same spot as you on ranking these, which is probably hurting Daniel in the heart right now. He just gave it a 10 and you and me are like yeah, it's the worst. One of the three. Well no it doesn't. It doesn't hurt me. What it says to me is that you guys haven't watched this movie three dozen times like that for you over the years, exactly. All right, so that has been The Last of the Mohicans Brad and I are coming out to an average of a seven point seven five out of ten but we'd like to know what you think. So please reach out to us on our social medias Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, at film whiskey or jump into the conversation on our Discord.

1:15:00 We are on there every single day, talking to all of you. The people who love the film was he podcast? So if you want to join the conversation, you can find a link to our Discord. At the end of every single one of our show notes. Once again, we want to say thank you to our friends. Daniel's why? Oh, Daniel as much as you're allowed to share, what do you have coming down the pike for us? Nothing definitely set in stone yet or that I can talk about yet, but hopefully maybe another ringer piece about the Oscars in the near future doing an interview for a Movie Maker that I can't. That is the the former flame of someone we have talked about on this episode. Oh, okay. That's it. All right, I love it. All right. Well then in that case, where can we find you to follow you when these things I'll drop. I am at Third Man.

1:15:46 Movies on Twitter, first. Initial last name on letter box which is d j0. Y aux and I have an Instagram for my newsletter. Which is your the good things. I love it. All right. Well once again, thanks to Daniel Brad this wraps up season 6 for us but we're not quite done yet. We get to put all 32 movies from season six into a Madness style bracket and eliminate the Them one by one. Until only one film can be. Crowned, the season six Champion, our bracket episodes will be premiering next week. You can follow along with us on our Instagram page. You can download your own bracket and see how closely we resemble yours. As always be wary of Brad G when he flips the coin of Destiny when we are at an impasse because that dude is a known cheater.

1:16:37 So I don't mess around when it comes to Faith I can't wait for our bracket episodes man. It's my favorite time of every single season. Yeah, I'm super excited to get into it. This is this has been a really fascinating season, dude. I think that the director miniseries idea has been a lot more fun than I thought it would be. Yeah, me too. And I have no idea. This is 32 movie bracket on Twitter. I want to see this. Oh absolutely. I will tag you in it. Like actually, I'll just make your name, one of the entries in the bracket. We'll see how far you go. All right, so join us next week, for our bracket episodes. But until then, I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and we'll see you next time.