The Grapes of Wrath / Rabbit Hole Dareringer

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In 1940 director, John Ford and
star Henry Fonda gave the world

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of dramatic.
Depiction of the disastrous

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downturn of the 1930s West in
2022.

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We try a bourbon with wrathful
grapes of its own.

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The film is Grapes of Wrath.
The whiskey is rabbit hole PX

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finish and we'll review them
both.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast, where each week, we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie.
And this week, we are starting a

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mini series of films by the
director, John Ford, with his

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1940, oscar-winner the grapes.
Of Wrath Brad.

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We usually we watch movies for
this podcast like, you know, at

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most a day or two before we
record the episode.

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Oh yeah.
But maybe three or four days.

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Yeah.
And maybe 30 minutes before like

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there have been times where I've
finished a movie and like, ran

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to my computer to get on and
talk or yeah.

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That is not the case.
Today, this might be the longest

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we've ever gone after watching a
movie before recording, and I'm

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kind of excited about it.
Because if I'm being honest, I

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don't remember like, a damn
thing that happens in this movie

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brand.
Do you want to know something

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that you'll be proud of me for?
Oh, yeah.

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Tell me I watched Tick Tick.
Boom.

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The other day.
Oh, I like, how you just

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completely changed the subject
once again?

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Yeah, well, I was just thinking
about things I've done in the

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interim and I could probably
give a much better review of

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that movie.
Then groups are at right now.

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What do you think of it solid
with a really great performance

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from Field hundred percent.
That was one of those movies

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where, like, you could tell that
lin-manuel Miranda is not a like

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a director yet.
Like that was a movie that was

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totally made in the editing
room.

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Yes.
And Garfield holds the whole

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thing together.
Yeah, you can tell that he is

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coming into his own as an actor
to the point where he can help a

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younger director, for sure.
Well, okay, let's let's try to

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find a way to segue from that
2021 film back to 1940 and talk

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about John.
ORD.

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So this season.
We're doing miniseries by very

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famous directors, and John Ford
is one of the most highly

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regarded directors of all time.
It's been a while Brad since we

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have like gone back to Classic
Hollywood, which is kind of the

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bread and butter of this podcast
or was for a number of Seasons.

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So it's really nice to be back
in the Golden Age of Hollywood

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and this movie The Grapes of
Wrath is widely considered one

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of Ford's best films, it was
ranked as the 21st best.

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American film of all time by the
American Film Institute when

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they did their first top 100.
And then when they Revisited it,

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ten years later, it was number
23.

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So we're coming out to an
average of the 22nd best film of

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all time and I'm excited to talk
about it.

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It's a great movie based on one
of the quote-unquote, Great

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American novels.
I don't think we've had a movie,

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like, with this amount of heft
behind it, in a long time, on

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the show.
I can say this is actually our

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second Steinbeck adaptation
though.

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Yes, it is behind.
He's getting East of Eden, which

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is one of my absolute favorite
books of all time.

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I've never read Grapes of Wrath.
Oh, I haven't also not red

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grapes of wrath'.
I'm pretty sure that this is the

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novel in which there's like a
whole chapter dedicated to a

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turtle that's like turned on its
back in the middle of the road

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struggling and you know of
course it's a metaphor.

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Do you get it?
Yeah.

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But no I've never gotten through
Grapes of Wrath.

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Yeah, I was Oldest by a friend
that the end of the book is much

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more Bleak than the end of the
movie.

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Yeah.
Do you have you heard about the

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ending of this book?
So I read the Wikipedia page on

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the movie.
And it talked about differences

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from the novel.
And my God, I thought this movie

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was crushingly sad and that that
book man, I don't know.

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Yeah I'll just go ahead and read
the cliff notes or check out the

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Wikipedia page because I'm not
going to talk about the ending.

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It's pretty unique and very sad.
It's definitely a downer for

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sure.
Yeah.

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Well, we're gonna talk a little
bit more about the book as it

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relates to this movie as we get
into this episode.

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But Brad, the question, that is
looming over every one of our

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episodes is, have you seen this
movie before?

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I have not.
All right.

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And have you seen any of the
movies that were doing in our

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Ford retrospective here?
Yeah, I've seen The Quiet Man.

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Okay, so next week we're doing
the Searchers and we're going to

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finish out The Quiet Man.
So you've seen that one but not

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the other two.
Hmm.

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All right, that means that it is
time for us to jump into Brad

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explains, which is America's
favorite segment.

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whiskey Brad?

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I have vamped a little bit to
give you time to formulate your

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thoughts to try to reach into
the recesses of your mind, to

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remember what this movie is
about more like the depths of my

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soul, Right?
We've put 60 seconds on the

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clock.
Can you break down the plot of

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The Grapes of Wrath?
Yeah, Tom Joad played by Henry

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Fonda the illustrious Henry.
Fonda, he is a ex-convict.

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He killed a man in a bar fight.
He returns to his family's Farm

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in Oklahoma, only to find them
driven off of it.

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He reunites with his family to
to realize that they are moving

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out.
West, there was a flyer that

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said that They would pay for it
was at 800 Orange Pickers, I

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believe, and that they're
they're getting an old truck

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that's just full of every single
thing that they own and they're

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taking that out west on the way
out west, they run into some

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people who tell them that what
they're going to is a fantasy

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that it's not actually real.
It's an illusion but they had on

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that anyways.
A pastor joins.

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The former Pastor joins them
10-second ripped to see what's

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out there.
And everything is sad and

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terrible and the government's,
the only people you can trust.

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I think that's it.
I love that.

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That's the lesson of the film
that I mean lean on Uncle Sam

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folks.
That's kind of what they

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betrayed man we have lots to
talk about Brad, don't we?

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Yeah this is this is an
interesting film because All of

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the acting performances are
Stellar.

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Oh, phenomenal.
Like we can start there, all of

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the acting performances are out
of this world, just really

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really good.
And for me, that's what really

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kept this movie together.
Because, if I'm being honest, it

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feels a little rough around the
edges.

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Bob, it does, and I don't
remember it being that way.

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I remember seeing this for the
first time when I was probably

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in high school and really loving
it.

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And I think like from a cinema
standpoint, like the language of

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Cinema, the Language of this
movie will get into talking

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about the cinematographer Gregg,
toland, like this movie looks

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amazing.
I have never seen a movie that

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that has so much of its scenes
happen in utter Darkness, where

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there's like so many layers of
darkness and everything is kind

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of framed with just these tiny,
pinpoints of light.

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It's a gorgeous movie.
I think the Cinematic language

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is great, but I'm with you like,
if I'm being honest, I think the

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first half of this movie, Was
significantly more compelling

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than the second half of the
movie.

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Yeah.
And the second half of the movie

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is, like, where the actual meat
and potatoes of the story

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happens.
So the movie felt for me like

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way more successful in the first
half where it was kind of like

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meditations on the plight of the
average American.

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At this time, it was just like
it was very Bleak and it was

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incredibly sad and I found
myself choking up and crying at

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many many points.
Yeah.

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And I'm not saying that, like,
it's good because it's Sad, but

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it was it moved me.
And then it kind of settles into

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A very small intimate story
about this one particular

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family, and I understand that
that family is supposed to be

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representative, right?
But it felt more, just like,

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hey, here's some things that
happen to these few people.

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And I really struggled to care
about those people, the way that

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I cared about the characters in
the first half of the movie.

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Yeah, and it, to me, it got a
little bit preachy, at the end

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of the movie, like the way the
way Henry.

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The delivers his speech to, you
know, Ma Joad played by Jane

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Darwell.
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The way he delivers, his speech
feels forced and if I'm being

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honest it feels almost like.
It doesn't represent the trials

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that they've been through.
It almost feels like he's like

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well this is this is what
America needs right now.

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So I'm going to give this nice
speech to get everybody feeling

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better about life.
Yeah.

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And I don't know.
So if maybe that's that's just

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like the postmodern cynic in me.
But so this is the great thing

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about doing this podcast because
you know you come into a lot of

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these movies having never seen
them before and I would imagine

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not understanding some of the
cultural impact of some of the

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film's, right?
But are you familiar with that

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speech in the history of movies?
Like like that line is

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considered one of the most like
one of the most famous lines in

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the history of Cinema.
Like we're talking about, you

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know, There's a cop beating up a
guy, I'll be there and doing the

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whole, I'll be there thing.
It has been repeated and

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repeated and repeated for
decades to the point where I

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couldn't believe the timing of
this Brad.

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Give me like ten seconds for an
aside here.

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I turned I turned on an episode
of Hey Arnold the other day.

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Remember that show when we were
kids?

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Yeah, I love.
Hey Arnold.

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And I was thinking about this
episode with a character called

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pigeon, man.
Remember pigeon, man.

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Heidi remember.
Veggie man, I'm not pitching

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man.
Was dug.

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It was?
What know I was.

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Hey Arnold, it was.
One of the First episodes of TV

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that as a kid.
I was like, I feel emotional

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about this.
And at the end of that episode,

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when pigeon man like gets
carried off into the sunset, by

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his pigeons, he looks at Arnold
and he starts talking about

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like, wherever there's a pigeon
in need I'll be there and he

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does the whole Tom Joad speech
and I could not believe like

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maybe it was something that was
buried in my subconscious but I

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literally watched this two days
ago and could not believe that

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the influence of that speech
stretches.

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Even into children's media in
the late 1990s.

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So anyway, all that to say I
agree with you.

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I do think that when I look at
that speech, it doesn't feel

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authentic and organic to the
character of Tom, Joad is exact

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time.
Joe does not like an educated

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man, right?
And and you can tell in that

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moment that he's like doing his
best to kind of frame his new

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understanding of like the unity
of people together and How we

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all share a piece of the same
big Soul, kind of a thing.

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It kind of reminds me of like,
they end of Forrest Gump.

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When Forrest Gump is talking to
Jenny's grave and he's like you

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know huh?
Is it like what what mama says

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about everyone has a Destiny or
is it like Lieutenant Dan says

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about we're all floating around
gentle like on a breeze maybe

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it's both.
Like it kind of feels like

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they're trying to do that.
Where you're watching this

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character, make this out in his
own mind but it also it just

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comes Crosses like it's time for
our main character to get on a

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soapbox for a little bit and and
it make explicit what has

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already been made implicit and
I'm with you for one of the most

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famous things ever.
It doesn't totally work for me.

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And the thing is like, yes.

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As he was giving it, I was like,
oh, I've heard this a million

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When yes, you know, like it has
that feel of like nothing here

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that they wanted.
But I'm the hero they need.

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That's hilarious because I was

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thinking of that as my other
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know.
So it's time for Jim Gordon to

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in legendary terms now.
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And I there's part of me that I
can't blame, you know, Grapes of

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Wrath for starting a trend but
what I can say is what you said

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that, it feels soapbox e and it
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Opinion, with all of the things

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that their family has
experienced that that he would

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make that decision to run off
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Like I like, I don't really know
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he's gonna do it and he's gonna
do great.

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I think Henry Fonda might be
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and, and he's way too educated,
he's major educated and, and

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found a works best.
In like in comedies, I think

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like so there's a great movie
called The Lady Eve that he was

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in where he's basically playing
like a, don't want to come stuck

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up but like, very naive and
buttoned-up person who gets

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seduced by Barbara Stanwyck and
it is, it's hilarious.

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around Barbara, Stanwyck is just
so funny and he just comes

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across as such an innocent doe
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Faced guy that I'm like, you did
kill somebody in a bar fight.

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Like, come on dude.
You've met you've never killed

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anyone and throughout the movie,
you know, I just couldn't get

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over this fact that this guy
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passed to him.
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like the naive innocent face of
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That even somebody, I feel like
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so much better in this role than
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And I'm not saying find it gives
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like watching Tom Hanks be the
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it's like he's great.
I just don't totally buy it.

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Tommy Hanks.

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He's he's not killing anybody
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there's ever been an actor who
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Henry Fonda.
Like there's other actors out

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there who are super Charming But
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at, you know, whoever he's with
on-screen and just kind of

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speaking quietly and calmly to
them that you're just like find

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yourself agreeing with him.
Like you're like, yeah, that

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that totally makes sense to me
and there's something about that

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when he's it really kind of like
rears its head at the very start

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when he gets in the truck with
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he's like you want to know what
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whether or not he will tell them
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Right?
And he's like, well mr.

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I'm not gonna be, I'm not gonna
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I killed a man and I'm just kind
of like did you did you did you

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kill a guy?
So Henry Fonda had a very famous

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lifelong friendship with Jimmy
Stewart and Jimmy Stewart was a

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very conservative but like their
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That's about their friendship
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Transcended their very active
political lives, because they

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were both.
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thing where like, you couldn't

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have Jimmy Stewart in this
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And I think by the same token,
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much as this is one of his most
beloved revered performances.

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I just can't shake that.
He might be kind of miscast

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here.
I wish that they had Jimmy

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Stewart is like one of the, the
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At the All right man.
Let's talk about the rest of

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this cast and I think the place
to start would be with Jane Dar.

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Well, as ma Joad, bro, she wins
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Okay.
That's, that's good to hear.

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Because this is one of the best
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So, supporting performances,
whatever you want to call it by

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God.
She is amazing there.

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I used to watch Turner Classic
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growing up.
I just loved watching it and it

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Tween movies.
They would show these kind of,

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like, mini commercials or
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they produced.
And they had this thing that was

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called like a hundred years of
the movies and they kept showing

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it forever.
And the clip, they showed, from

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The Grapes of Wrath in this
like, you know, five-minute

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Montage was just the shot of
her, holding the earrings up to

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her ears in the mirror.
And you just watch her face,

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like, fall.
And that face of hers, man, it

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says so much.
Each about.

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Yep, hopes and dreams and lost
dreams and lost hopes and the

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hopes and dreams of America.
Like every theme, this movie is

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trying to shoot for like Finds
Its manifestation in that

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woman's face.
It's crazy how much her demeanor

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and expressions like carry the
film.

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Yeah, I mean, her performance is
incredibly sincere and authentic

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and she just you can tell That
she has been carrying the entire

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weight of this family on her
back that like the the whole,

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you know, jalopy that they're
driving is actually like

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emotionally, all of that stuff
is on her back and she comes so

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close to cracking under the
weight.

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So many times in this movie.
And I just like you said, you

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just see it in her eyes on her.
Face the way she talks to people

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the way she pauses when she's
struggling before she responds

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to somebody's question like I in
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It's close to being the best
performance in the movie.

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I really can't decide if it's
her or Carradine as as Jim

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Casey.
All right, let's put a pin in

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Carradine for just a minute
because I want to keep talking

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about Darwell for just a second.
Going back to your point about

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how the famous Fonda monologue.
So that seemed forced this is

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where we get into like the end
of the movie being different

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than the novel, because the
studio basically was like, Hey,

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this movie is a freaking Downer
and it's funny because it's

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like, did you not read this
novel?

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Like you guys bought the rights?
So they kind of made them tack

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on this happy ending after Tom
Joad, wanders off into Oblivion.

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They come back and everybody's
packing up again the next day.

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And then ma Joad gives this kind
of rousing speech at the end

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where she's like, you know, Oh,
they keep trying to keep us down

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but we're the people and the
people will always rise back up

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because we're the people and it
is so at odds with the theme and

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the and all the actions of the
movie up to that point which is

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like we should mourn for the
average American and how they

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are being effed over by all of
these other forces and how

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they're being kept down.
And like yes, I understand Brad

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that like there's like the we
should unionize and that's our

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way to Back.
But even more than that, this

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movie is like, you know, that
book that came out like a decade

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ago, that hillbilly elegy book,
or whatever like this movie is

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like an elegy for, you know,
Middle America at this time.

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And that last speech was the
most ridiculous thing I've ever

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seen to the point where like it
felt like they almost undermined

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our wells whole performance,
just attack that thing on there.

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Yeah and that's why I like if I
could just cut out Out Fonda's

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final speech and her final
speech, I think I would score

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this movie like two and a half
points higher like like they

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really just kind of crush what
this movie was going for.

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And like you said that, that's
not to say that there's not a

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lot of really beautiful stuff
happening here.

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I just, you know, it's I guess
it's another example of this,

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the powerful Studio pressure of
ye olden days, kind of taking

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something that Had Direction and
had vision and being

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pigeon-holed into an ending that
just didn't fit what Ford had

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been going on.
Yeah, all right.

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Let's go back to the cast here.
You want to talk about John

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Carradine?
Oh dude, he see, he gives

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speeches in this movie and I'm
just in raptured like he's like

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that.
That older guy that you know,

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that just everything he says is
philosophical, you know, hmm.

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And and just Makes you think
deeply about not just the world,

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but your own life and go, huh?
I never thought about life that

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way before I need to go drink a
few beers.

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He's very much, you know, this
is the character that even

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without reading the book, seems
the most like, oh, this is John

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Steinbeck.
Mmm.

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Sermonizing through a character
and and I try not to hold it

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against Carradine, but it's very
obvious and I, this might be a

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good place to kind of segue into
Talking about Steinbeck.

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This is the second Steinbeck
movie we've done in the podcast

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and you know Steinbeck is very
famous for I guess if I could

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say anything like trying really
hard to write the Great American

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novel, trying to capture the
idea of America in a book and I

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think more than any other
author, he's kind of successful

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at making the story of America
be biblical in scope.

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Right.
And you find that in its most

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literal form in East of Eden.
Yeah, but he has this very

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biblical vision of like Divine
wrath and judgment and

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Providence all running through
his Works.

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What makes Steinbeck's books
kind of stand out as these these

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books that either are the Great
American novels or just trying

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so hard to be.
Is that he's one of the few that

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understands that leg.
You can't tell the story of

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America without dealing with the
influence of religion on this

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country, right?
Like there has to be, you know,

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we had this with There Will Be
Blood where it's like I may not

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agree with what Paul Thomas
Anderson is saying here.

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But like he's shooting for the
stars with like, trying to pin

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down what America is with just
conflict of capitalism and

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religion and Steinbeck's doing
the same thing here.

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And he's doing it through this
preacher who has basically lost

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his faith and finds a new
religion in.

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Like, I mean, you know, to your
term, like unionizing like,

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right, rising up with the people
to fight back against these

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forces, social justice.
I guess we could call it and

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it's really hard to know what.
It is an element of the script

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and what's an element of
Steinbeck.

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But this character also comes
across a lot to me as like this

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seems very forced.
And this seems very like, I am

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being force-fed.
The themes that they're trying

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to get across through this
character but even in the midst

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of that because I'm with you
100%, I don't know what it is

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about Carradine.
I don't think we've ever had him

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on the show before he was in
Stagecoach.

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Oh, okay.
Yeah man.

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There's like the stuck-up guy
that didn't like the the hooker

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on the stagecoach.
Oh yeah.

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Maybe that's when he was still a
pastor that tracks.

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Yeah.
So I guess the thing for me with

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Carradine is I just love his
performance.

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Yeah.
Like similarly to find I like I

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don't always like what Fonda is
saying but I think he's a great

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actor for some even I think
maybe because I don't know

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Carradine as well I just was
enraptured every single time I

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saw him.
Come on screen and just loved

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the way he interacted with other
people.

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How thoughtful he was when he
gave answers and maybe I didn't

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maybe I liked his performance
more because there's an element

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of his you know, in like
characters backstory that makes

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more sense for him to be
philosophizing.

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And talking all these big ideas
and it makes sense like this is

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a man of the cloth who has
thought about the fate of

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humanity and all these things.
And so it just kind of fits his

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character more, which I think
lets me enjoy the, the

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cheesiness of his performance a
little bit more.

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Alright.
So for me, the character and the

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performance in this movie that
will stay with me forever.

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And I don't even know if I'm
pronouncing, his last name

446
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,300
correctly, but the actor's name
is John qualen.

447
00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:10,200
Or maybe koala.
And I don't know, we've had him

448
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,900
on the show before once in a
very, very minor part in

449
00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:16,000
Casablanca, but in this movie,
He plays a character named you

450
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,900
lie and muley shows up for like
10 minutes in the first half

451
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:25,100
hour of this film.
And this phone starts in a very

452
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:27,800
interesting way like it starts
and you think it's going

453
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,000
somewhere, you know, Tom Joad is
going home to meet his family,

454
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,000
he gets home and no one's there
and it's like a ghost town and

455
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,700
he goes in the house.
And there's this guy who's just

456
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:41,500
like His parents empty home and
the whole scene is lit with

457
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,400
candle light and it looks like a
ghost story.

458
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,900
It looks like someone shining a
can't like a flashlight under

459
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:49,300
their chin.
To tell a scary story and you ge

460
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:52,900
can remind me of Gone.
Gone With the Wind like shit.

461
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:54,400
Yeah turns.
Yep.

462
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,400
That's a great point.
And like you get this flashback

463
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,600
to how the bank's, kicked
everybody off their land and

464
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,000
there's nothing anyone can do
about it and they flashback

465
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,000
forward.
And this dude, muley is Such a

466
00:27:08,008 --> 00:27:10,900
broken, man.
And he is, this this actor.

467
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:15,600
John qualen is acting in such a
naturalistic and, and frankly,

468
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,900
modern way that it's like Stark
and it is heartbreaking.

469
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:23,900
And I think haunted is the only
word I can use man.

470
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:27,900
Like, the images of that man are
the most profound thing in this

471
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:29,800
movie to me.
Yeah.

472
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:33,200
Well in the, the speech that
the, I guess, he's like a

473
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,100
foreman kind of gives of like,
well, who am I gonna go?

474
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:41,100
Shoot, Take care of this, and
they just kind of go through the

475
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:45,100
loop of like, well, the bankers,
are they owe it to this company

476
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:47,700
and they owe it to that.
And if you do that, then you got

477
00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:50,800
to go all the way out of these
coasts did and it just kind of

478
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,700
Loops back to the fact that
there's literally nothing muley

479
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:57,000
can do.
Yeah, to save his land and you

480
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,700
feel in that moment the
helplessness of it all.

481
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,300
And when he collapses on the
ground and is like, you know,

482
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:07,500
with like what is a, what is a
man supposed to do?

483
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,900
Like what would make this his
land, any more than the fact

484
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:15,900
that they have been born lived
and died?

485
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:19,800
Like there's my my family and
his voice is like breaking it.

486
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,500
He's like it's supposed to have
died here and it's just like, oh

487
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:26,500
my god, dude, what Justice this?
It's brittle heartbreaking, this

488
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:30,400
movie like, I know, I'm not
selling it to people, but like I

489
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,900
think if there's one thing I can
really complement this movie on,

490
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,500
especially in the first half, it
is that this movie is 82 years

491
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:40,100
old now.
And rarely have we seen a film

492
00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:44,500
that is as emotionally effective
as this movie is.

493
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:48,900
Like, I felt things watching
this movie that I rarely feel

494
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:51,600
watching movies that are made
today, and I think that goes

495
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,800
back to Ford and we're going to
talk about him in the second

496
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,100
half of the episode.
But it's so successful at making

497
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:01,500
you feel the plight of these
people?

498
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:03,800
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know who the

499
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,500
actor is but the guy that they
run into on the way to

500
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,100
California who like kind of
won't tell them what the reality

501
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:13,300
is, but they finally go to into
it.

502
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:20,700
And he, dude, he when he talks
about his family dying, I was

503
00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:23,700
done to the point where, like, I
can't believe they did that in a

504
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:27,300
movie in 1940.
Like, yeah, like again, I don't

505
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:29,700
want to call this movie
subversive because it was, like,

506
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:33,600
the book came out in 1939, and
they immediately made a movie

507
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,600
out of it.
The book is going through this

508
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,000
kind of backlash where people
are calling it, like, a Meanest

509
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,700
book and the Red Scare was kind
of going through Americorps

510
00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:43,600
right before WWII.
And they were really worried

511
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,100
that this was going to play like
a pro communist movie which

512
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:50,000
again is like did you guys read
the book before you started

513
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,300
making the movie?
But you don't have people

514
00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:56,500
talking about watching their
children.

515
00:29:56,500 --> 00:30:00,800
Starve to death in a movie in
America, in 1940.

516
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,800
Like it is, it's shocking to see
this on screen quite frankly.

517
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,900
Yeah.
Well and it And it just plays so

518
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:12,500
differently than.
So, all of the other movies that

519
00:30:12,508 --> 00:30:17,800
were coming out at the time, but
it reflects, what was going on

520
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,200
in the west at the time, like,
if there's anything about this

521
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,900
movie, that feels honest.
It's when you go back and read

522
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:30,900
actual historical accounts of
the, the Dust Bowl and the

523
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:33,900
migrant train, moving West into
California, where the supposed

524
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,500
to be work.
And, and, you know, the stories

525
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:40,900
about the The workers camps that
they would set up.

526
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:47,800
I mean, dude, it was, it was not
pretty man, like it was brutal.

527
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,600
What was happening out there
before we go to break?

528
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,600
I hope this lighten things up a
little bit, but it's also,

529
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,500
again, the influence of The
Grapes of Wrath.

530
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,900
One of my all-time favorite TV
shows.

531
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:02,900
And I am not ashamed to admit,
it is South Park and South Park,

532
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,500
especially in the really great
seasons was was some of the best

533
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:09,300
social commentary.
Three on television and they did

534
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:11,900
it in such a way that like, they
could disguise it behind this

535
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:14,800
ridiculous.
Childish humor, there's an

536
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,700
episode of South Park called
Margaritaville and one of the

537
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:21,800
subplots of that episode is that
Stan's dad has bought this

538
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,900
Margaritaville margarita maker
and it has been spending the

539
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:28,500
family's money on frivolous
things.

540
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:32,500
And so Stan wants to return it
and so he takes it back to the

541
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:34,200
store.
I think he got it at Sur La

542
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,500
Table and and the guy is Sur Le
table.

543
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,500
Is like, oh no, you don't want
to go here.

544
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:43,300
Like we got this from this, you
know, where housing or 3rd party

545
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:46,000
seller and he goes to the 3rd
party seller in the guys like

546
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,800
no, no, this was all packaged in
at raunch with blah blah blah

547
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,500
and it basically becomes like a
metaphor for the housing crisis.

548
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:54,000
I wanna return this
Margaritaville and the guy at

549
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Sur Le table said that you are
the company that financed it.

550
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,200
Oh yeah.
No you know what?

551
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,700
No.
Yeah what.

552
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,800
Yeah we can't give you your
money back for that.

553
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,200
Ya know you'd have to talk to
the people on Wall Street.

554
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,000
Yeah.
Yeah, Wall Street.

555
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:13,100
Yeah, no.
See what I do is find Americans

556
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:15,900
who want a frozen beverage
machine, but can't afford one

557
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,000
and I hooked them up with
investors who want to get into

558
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,100
the Margaritaville payment plan
business.

559
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:23,300
Yeah, so yeah.
So the problem is your

560
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:25,200
Margaritaville.
Payment plan has been combined

561
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,600
with thousands of others into
one big Margaritaville security.

562
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,900
Yeah, no, yeah no.
Yeah.

563
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:37,000
And it is literally lifted from
The Grapes of Wrath where

564
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,100
they're Muley like what you want
me to do?

565
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:40,500
Like I'm just the guy that sold
it to you.

566
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:41,700
The people that own it live in
New York.

567
00:32:41,708 --> 00:32:45,100
Are you going to go all the way
to New York and it's so funny

568
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:48,400
how the influence of this is
still felt today.

569
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,500
And yet at the same time, I
think one of the lessons I took

570
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:57,100
away from this movie was you
could set this movie in 2022 and

571
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:59,200
a lot of the same stuff is still
happening.

572
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,600
Like it's kind of crazy how far
we've gotten you know,

573
00:33:03,608 --> 00:33:07,500
chronologically from here and
and how little has changed.

574
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:11,500
Changed in some ways.
Yeah I mean the the way that

575
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:14,800
people are at each other's
throats, feels not know, weirdly

576
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,000
pression.
All right, man, well we need to

577
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,400
drown our sorrows here.
So let's flip over to a

578
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,900
different kind of grapes here.
And let's look at this Rabbit

579
00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:27,500
Hole.
Finished in PX.

580
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:28,500
Casks.
What do you say?

581
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:36,700
Let's get to it.
Alright, so today we are

582
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:40,700
checking out Rabbit Hole
Derringer straight bourbon

583
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:43,700
whiskey.
Finished in PX, casks, Brad,

584
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:45,900
we've talked a little bit before
about Whiskey's that are

585
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:49,400
finished in Sherry, casks,
Pedro, Jimenez, Sherry, casks.

586
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,600
It's a very specific kind of
Sherry that is made.

587
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,600
Like in one little region in
Spain.

588
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:57,400
It is considered to be like one
of the best of the best when it

589
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,700
comes to certain types of
Sherry.

590
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,400
We've Had a few PX finishes
before, I don't know if we've

591
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,500
ever done a bourbon finished in
PX casks and this Derringer from

592
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:11,199
rabbit hole is one of the like
it's considered one of the best

593
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,500
ones.
This is actually the first thing

594
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:16,400
from Rabbit Hole we've ever had
on the show, which I'm super

595
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,199
surprised at there.
Are a lot of really huge Rabbit

596
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:23,199
Hole fans out there and we've
just never happened to stumble

597
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,300
upon their product before.
So we're starting not with their

598
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:29,100
regular bourbon but here with
one of their finished products.

599
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,100
Yeah.
And I've seen Ton of their stuff

600
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:37,800
on the Instagrams and, you know,
social media and so I, yeah, I'm

601
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,800
with you, man.
I'm really excited to get into

602
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,900
rabbit hole.
It's a brand, I've, you know,

603
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:43,800
kind of seen from afar for a
while now.

604
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:50,199
So this is a weeded bourbon.
Its 68% corn, 18% wheat 14%

605
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,900
malted barley in the mash.
Bill did carry an age statement

606
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:55,900
of at least five years for a
while.

607
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:58,600
I don't know if they still have
that statement on the bottle.

608
00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:00,400
We're drinking a sample from our
friend.

609
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:03,500
Austin Dupree at The Bourbon
earring podcast, so I don't have

610
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:06,500
the bottle in front of me and to
know whether or not, this is

611
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:10,200
from when it was still five year
age stated but aside from all

612
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,200
that it's clocking in at 93
proof.

613
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,200
So right in that kind of Sweet
Spot range that we really like

614
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,800
Brad.
Where it's not too thin, not too

615
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,200
potent yet.
I'm really looking forward to

616
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,000
this.
I know you've already tasted it.

617
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:23,900
I'm pouring it out in front of
me right now.

618
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:25,700
So why don't you give us your
nosing notes?

619
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:27,200
Brad.
Yeah.

620
00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:33,100
This had a ton of cherry and Men
on the on the front of the nose

621
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,500
after sitting with it for a
little while, it kind of dove

622
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:41,500
into that raisin feel.
And then I was it took me a

623
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:45,900
while to figure this out.
It kind of just smells, I have,

624
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:51,100
this very specific memory of
building a shed with my dad and

625
00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:54,400
it had rained overnight
unexpectedly and we had left,

626
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,500
you know, some of the, the wood
we were using out in the rain

627
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:02,300
and it just smells Mel's like
wet wood.

628
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:05,700
Hmm.
Like it's a very specific knows

629
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:07,800
it's not like you know like Okie
or anything like that.

630
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,500
It's this really like what musty
would smell that?

631
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:15,800
That I'm kind of digging.
I like what they're doing here.

632
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,800
It's not blowing me away yet.
So I gave it a 7 and a half on

633
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,300
the nose, Bob, but what are you
getting right now?

634
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,200
Yeah, I'm actually coming out to
something similar to what we

635
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,600
used to call the Willett Funk.
And when we Revisited our last

636
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,800
Willett product, which I think
was Rowan's, Creak I realized

637
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,300
that it's not actually really a
funk.

638
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:36,200
It's more of a like a rose that
I get on this but there's a

639
00:36:36,207 --> 00:36:39,900
certain like Dusty floral
quality that comes with, will it

640
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:42,000
products sometimes?
And I'm getting that here, it's

641
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,500
a ton of sawdust, but then a lot
of floral, a lot of rows for me,

642
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,600
I do get the raisin that you
were talking about.

643
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,400
I'm not so much getting the
Cherry.

644
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,800
It's definitely got more of like
a dark fruit going on with it,

645
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,600
which I really like, I will say
this smells a little bit more

646
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,900
potent that I was expecting it
to like, I had to I'll pull my

647
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:03,200
nose back out of the glass a
couple times because the alcohol

648
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,700
was really jumping out of the
glass on this one for me, but I

649
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:10,100
think overall it's really
inviting and it's right up my

650
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:11,300
alley.
So I'm going to give it an 8 out

651
00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:12,700
of 10 on the nose.
Yeah.

652
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:14,300
And then we get into the
palette.

653
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,000
The The Taste on this.
I was really Blown Away by I

654
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,700
think the basic introduction, I
would give is just it's

655
00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:26,800
incredibly Pleasant.
The I think the 93 proof point

656
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,700
is right where they needed to be
with this.

657
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:33,400
It had notes of like Grape Jam
kind of got into it like a

658
00:37:33,408 --> 00:37:38,100
creamy cherry cordial, feel and
then a lot of that Oak started

659
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:42,300
coming through and I almost got
like a little bit of a weird

660
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:45,400
pair note on the very back end
of the palate.

661
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:49,100
It got it started to get into
some different fruits for me.

662
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,100
I was really fascinated and
really enjoyed this palette.

663
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:57,200
I give it a 9 out of 10 Bob.
Yeah, I don't think I'm quite

664
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,800
there with you Brad.
I like it.

665
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,600
But it stays in that.
Very dark fruit range for me.

666
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,800
It's got almost like a little
bit of date on it for me, but I

667
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,700
think the predominant note on
this is prune, not just raisin

668
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:10,400
but prune it.
So like if you're not a fan of

669
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,400
eating prunes, like I don't know
how you'll feel about this one,

670
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:18,900
but it stayed, not bitter, but
definitely not like syrupy

671
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:21,700
sweet.
And it is a little bit more

672
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:26,000
spicy and kind of prickly.
Then I would have thought at 93

673
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,100
proof, right?
As I was tipping it up to my

674
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:30,100
lips.
I was kind of inhaling a bit.

675
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:32,800
I just breathed in straight
ethanol on this.

676
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,900
And so you know, at only 93
proof I'm a little shocked at

677
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,900
how hot this drinks I still
think it's really good, it's not

678
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:42,200
thin It Coats the mouth but it's
really prune heavy.

679
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,900
And I think that's the influence
again of these PX, casks.

680
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:47,500
I like it a lot.
It's not a 9 for me.

681
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,100
I'm gonna give it a seven and a
half on the taste Bob, don't,

682
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:53,500
you know, you're not supposed to
inhale, you specifics, let it

683
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,100
sit in there.
Yeah.

684
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,200
That was something that, like, I
don't smoke cigars enough to

685
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,500
really I know what I'm doing,
but I just remember very early

686
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:06,300
on when people are like, oh
you're not supposed to inhale.

687
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,100
I was like that.
Then why am I doing this?

688
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:14,200
Yeah well I can just stick burn
at the end of your life.

689
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,600
Yeah, I've learned how to do it
a little bit since then, but I

690
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,600
just remember that being one of
the most ridiculous statements.

691
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,100
All right, before we go into the
finish, the balance, I got a

692
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:29,800
question for you because I just
took my second and third sip of

693
00:39:29,808 --> 00:39:34,800
this and now I'm out.
So I got the wheat influence on

694
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,200
the second and third sip.
It had like a little bit of that

695
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,700
kind of like Coca-Cola
effervescence that I talk about

696
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:41,700
all the time with wheat
whiskeys.

697
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:48,900
I don't know that the Sherry
finish on a weeded bourbon is

698
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:52,000
the combination.
I necessarily would have wanted

699
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,400
here.
Like, I wonder if this would

700
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,600
have worked better with a high
Rye bourbon instead of a higher

701
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,900
wheat bourbon.
And I just would really like to

702
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:01,900
know your thoughts on this.
I mean, I think that you're,

703
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:07,700
you're kind of hitting a similar
vein of flavors with, with the

704
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:11,700
Sherry finished high wheat
bourbon, which it just kind of

705
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:15,600
depends, like, do you want that
similar flavor being

706
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,500
strengthened or do you want the
complexity of, you know, the the

707
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:21,500
baking spices you might get on a
ride?

708
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:25,600
I paired with some of those
sweet raise any notes that you

709
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,900
would get from the Sherry?
I for me I think it works on

710
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:32,400
this in the palette.
And the the Finish we haven't

711
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,300
gotten to yet.
I was a little not as strong

712
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:39,600
with, so I don't know.
I I guess I'd say it's probably

713
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,000
just personal preference.
Yeah, yeah.

714
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,800
I mean I'm anxious to hear what
your finished score is.

715
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,100
I sense.
I'm talking, I'll just give mine

716
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:48,100
real quick.
I kind of forgot about the

717
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,300
finished already.
If I'm being honest with you it

718
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:52,700
was fine.
I do think it's where the wheat

719
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,900
influence comes back a little
bit, so it's like very heavily.

720
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:59,800
She read very heavily pruney and
then it's like, oh, hey remember

721
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,900
what route?
Your tastes.

722
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:02,700
Like, here's a little bit of
that in the end.

723
00:41:03,300 --> 00:41:06,500
It was a weird mash up for me
and I think that's where I

724
00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:10,400
started to have questions about
the mash-up of these two things.

725
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,200
So I'm going to give it a seven
on the Finish.

726
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,000
It's not bad but it just was off
enough to make me start asking

727
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,200
questions.
Yeah I'm with you I think that

728
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,800
the finish for me it was very
short.

729
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:28,100
I got some raisin notes.
It definitely got Okie in a just

730
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:32,200
slightly bitter.
I came down pretty far from the

731
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,900
palette to the finish.
I'll give it a six and a half on

732
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:35,800
the Finish.
Wow.

733
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:37,200
All right.
See that shit?

734
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,200
That's gonna put you in an
interesting spot for balance,

735
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,700
right?
Yeah, well, I gave it a 7 on

736
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:47,500
balance, it's an up-and-down
experience of a whiskey, but I

737
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:51,200
will say that it was decently
complex throughout.

738
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,800
And I think the complexity of
flavors that I get keeps it the

739
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,900
balance core little higher.
It's definitely, a really tasty

740
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:02,400
whiskey.
It just the nose and finish, our

741
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,500
little bit lacking compared to
the palate.

742
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,200
I do think it's worth reminding
listeners.

743
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,700
How we determined, what we call
balance here.

744
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,900
I think a lot of times when
someone's tasting something and

745
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:12,700
they talk about the balance of
the taste, they're just

746
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:16,900
basically saying like are all
the flavors in harmony with each

747
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:19,700
other and we kind of take that
into consideration.

748
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,700
But what this really is, is like
a chronological from start to

749
00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:27,100
finish, was there a part of this
drinking experience that was

750
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:30,100
like significantly worse or
significantly better than the

751
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:30,700
rest?
Out of it.

752
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:33,700
Or is it a nice consistent
experience throughout?

753
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:36,700
That's what we consider to be
balanced and I think you're

754
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:38,100
right.
Brad, it does kind of drop off a

755
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:40,600
little bit from the nose through
to the finish.

756
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:46,600
I'm gonna give it a seven and a
half on the balance and that

757
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,400
brings me out before the value
score to a 30 so far Brad, what

758
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,100
does this cost in the state of
Ohio?

759
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:56,200
This is an eighty dollar bottle
of whiskey.

760
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,200
Yeah, yeah.
Here's the thing, I really want

761
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,200
to get rabbit holes Master
distiller on the podcast and I

762
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,900
have a feeling that this is not
going to be like the bait that I

763
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:13,600
was thinking it would be man
80s, 80s too much, Brad like I

764
00:43:13,607 --> 00:43:16,300
can't even I can't even play the
game of like, well, you know,

765
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:19,300
it's been a really small batch
and bit but 80s too much for

766
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:21,800
this.
Yeah, I would even say like, 60

767
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,000
is too much for this.
I think so too.

768
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:28,000
I think this is like a 40 to 50
dollar bottle of whiskey.

769
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:29,900
Yeah.
Just based on the taste, right.

770
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:32,300
I mean, like us based on the
taste, we know, what goes into

771
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:34,000
the process?
Yes.

772
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,900
Yeah.
The the acquisition of these

773
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:41,800
very specific Sherry barrels to
finish it in like there's a lot

774
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:47,300
going in here. $60 is probably a
fair price point for it but

775
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:51,900
based on the flavor here, I
think $80 is a little bit steep.

776
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:54,500
I give it a 5 out of 10.
I'm value.

777
00:43:54,500 --> 00:44:00,100
I it's solid in the realm of
finished whiskeys, but not great

778
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:01,700
enough to be an eighty dollar
bottle.

779
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:04,900
Yeah, I'm gonna give it a four
and a half on value that and

780
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:08,500
that brings me out to a 34.5 out
of 50.

781
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:10,000
Brad, what are you coming out
to?

782
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:13,600
I'm right there with you man.
I'm at a 35 out of 50.

783
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:17,100
All right, so that brings us to
a sixty nine point five out of

784
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:21,200
100 or a thirty four point seven
five out of 50.

785
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:26,100
This is right below the 35,
Mark, which is where we usually

786
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:28,400
start, recommending.
Hey, you should try this at the

787
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,200
bar, or you should go out and
get a bottle.

788
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:33,800
I think this is worth trying.
This is not a bad whiskey.

789
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,800
Yeah, but I would definitely
recommend trying rather than

790
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,500
buying Yeah, I would say that
there's this kind of fine line

791
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:50,000
of like, if this Whiskey cost
like $40 and the poor of it

792
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
cost, you know, ten to twelve
dollars.

793
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,000
I'd be like I can just buy the
bottle but at at $80, you're

794
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,900
only going to pay nine to twelve
dollars for a poor.

795
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:01,200
And I would say that that's well
worth it.

796
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,300
It really is an incredible
palette that kind of keeps this

797
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:08,600
score high for me.
So I think it's a worthwhile

798
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:12,000
I'll whiskey to try.
Just struggles enough that it

799
00:45:12,008 --> 00:45:15,000
doesn't justify the price tag.
All right.

800
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,100
That's our thoughts on Rabbit
Hole.

801
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:19,800
PX finish Brad.
Let's get back into talking

802
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,500
about The Grapes of Wrath.
What do you say?

803
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:26,600
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody.

804
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,800
That was Rabbit Hole PX finish.
We just finished talking about a

805
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,900
grape finished whiskey.
Now we're going to get back into

806
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:38,600
a grape themed movie.
I love this so much.

807
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:40,500
You.
I love this so much.

808
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,300
I've been trying real hard to
pair up the Whiskey's with the

809
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:47,300
movies in a much more cohesive
fashion lately and this is like,

810
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,900
you got to do the grape theme,
you know, did see it's pretty

811
00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:52,700
obvious.
Babam I'm with you there.

812
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:54,600
All right, now that we're nice
and liquored up.

813
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,000
It is time for Brad's favorite
segment of the show, which we

814
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,100
should just be calling
annihilate, Bob's confidence in

815
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:03,400
himself.
Hey man, you're doing pretty

816
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,200
good.
I think I'm like one over 500.

817
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,000
I think I'm seven and six right
now seven and I believe seven

818
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,500
and six is your record.
All right?

819
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:13,900
Well, alright.
So anyway, this segment is

820
00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:17,500
called to facts and a falsehood,
this is where Brad presents,

821
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,300
three things.
As fact about this movie and I

822
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:23,100
had to decide, which one of
them, he completely made up

823
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:26,500
fact, number one, By John
Steinbeck.

824
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,100
Have you heard of him?
Bob, I have he values love the

825
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:33,700
fact.
All right, moving on to the next

826
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:40,000
one Steinbeck really like truly.
Loved the performance of Henry

827
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,100
Fonda is Tom Joad.
And just really felt like he

828
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:47,100
perfectly encapsulated all the
things he wanted to convey with

829
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:50,500
the character.
So much to the point that the

830
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:55,200
two became really really great
friends and Henry, On the did a

831
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,500
reading at Steinbeck's funeral.
Wow.

832
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,600
Hey, guess what guess what?
John Steinbeck was wrong.

833
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,700
That I'm just saying, I don't
care what your authorial intent

834
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:09,600
was, he was miscast.
Maybe that's maybe that's the

835
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,900
falsehood.
That's true.

836
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,100
That's true.
Fax number two, Henry Fonda was

837
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:20,400
so afraid of portraying the role
poorly that he actually spent an

838
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,800
entire month.
Working in a migrant camp in

839
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:29,100
California to like really make
sure he understood the Shins

840
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:33,100
that he would be acting in and
he was all about it.

841
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:36,600
He got him carry, he pulled a De
Niro, Taxi Driver situation,

842
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,800
there you go fact.
Number three, Henry Fonda

843
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:45,100
currently holds the record for
the longest gap between acting

844
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:48,300
October Oscar nominations.
His first, nomination was for

845
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:53,000
The Grapes of Wrath in 1940 and
his second was for On Golden

846
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,400
Pond in, do you know the year
Bob?

847
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,700
1981.
Yeah, job you got we got a we're

848
00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:02,500
saying Point.
You're saying he was only

849
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:06,300
nominated twice.
I'm saying that that is the

850
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:10,200
longest gap between a
combinations, maybe he was

851
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,200
nominated before that and after
that.

852
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:17,300
But, but that was the gap
between those, was he nominated

853
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:24,400
for twelve Angry Men?
cuz that's like, I mean, I know

854
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,100
he was obviously nominated for
On Golden Pond because he wins

855
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:33,600
for that movie like I find it
hard to believe that Henry Fonda

856
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,800
was only was not nominated for
41 years in between these roles.

857
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,500
However, I also find it hard to
believe that Henry Fonda went

858
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:44,700
and worked on a migrant farm.
And this is all about it, man.

859
00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:49,300
This is the Dilemma.
I think that whatever that

860
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:52,100
Steinbeck would have liked his
performance ridiculous.

861
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,000
I think that I am going to be
wrong regardless of what I pick.

862
00:48:57,100 --> 00:49:01,100
So, I felt pretty strongly that
number 2 is false.

863
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,200
I feel very skeptical about
number three, but I'm gonna go

864
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,600
with my gut and say, to is the
falsehood Bob.

865
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,800
Number two is the falsehood.
Yeah, got it, man.

866
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,300
All right.
Yeah, he Academy of Motion.

867
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:18,700
Picture Arts and Sciences.
What the hell were you doing for

868
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:20,400
41 years?
Yeah.

869
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:27,400
Now he he was nominated for
twelve angry men, as a producer,

870
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,700
he was not nominated as an
actor.

871
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:35,100
Wow, that's surprising.
I know huh I read that and I was

872
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:37,400
like wait a second.
Hold on.

873
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:41,500
He didn't get nominated for
twelve angry men.

874
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:46,200
That's crazy, man, the although
it's rocker it really is.

875
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:49,700
I'm trying to remember was the
Red Scare kind of over by then

876
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:52,900
by 58 was it?
I feel like it was probably

877
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:56,900
winding down a bit but it was
still there because that that

878
00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:59,200
might be a reason he that's true
nominated.

879
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:00,700
That's true.
That'd be a guess.

880
00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:03,900
All right man.
Well I'm gonna bask in the glow

881
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:06,200
of my win.
I'm up to 8 and 6 now you.

882
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,700
Thanks man.
You're doing it.

883
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:10,200
Let's talk about John Ford
because he is the reason we're

884
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,800
talking about this movie today
and we have not mentioned him

885
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,000
like at all.
Yet there's a few things you

886
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,600
need to know about John Ford.
He is one of the first directors

887
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,600
to be considered a naught or and
we've talked a little bit about

888
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,200
the auteur theory here.
I don't really want to get into

889
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,400
the specifics of it Brad but
like Just give the basics.

890
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,400
What's an altar in the night?
Well, so they did have an art or

891
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,500
is that like the director is the
author of the film, right?

892
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:38,300
And this has been
misinterpreted, in a lot of ways

893
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:41,200
over the years that gets very
technical about like what that

894
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,500
means.
But like in the 1950s, in

895
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:47,900
France, in you know, this
magazine called Chi a to cinema.

896
00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:52,000
They're doing this really
high-level analysis of film and

897
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,000
basically trying to present like
hey film is an artistic medium

898
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,800
that should be regarded as
seriously as these Cystic

899
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,700
mediums.
And we're going to hold up

900
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:06,100
certain directors and talk about
how they have themes running

901
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:10,100
across their pictures, and how
you can see the author behind

902
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:11,600
the movie.
And John Ford is one of the

903
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,800
first people that is really held
up as like this is one of our

904
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,900
great directors.
And, you know, he had been

905
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:23,300
lauded in America, like he was,
I think he won for best

906
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:25,900
directing Oscars.
Like he's still holds the record

907
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:29,800
for most best director wins but
But, you know, he directed

908
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,500
westerns and I think westerns
were kind of seen as like the

909
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:35,800
people's movies.
So like, they weren't talked

910
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,100
about in these super artistic
ways and yet, like, when you

911
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:41,100
watch a movie like The
Searchers, are you watching

912
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:42,800
movie like this?
And you look at the way that

913
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:47,300
this man put images on screen.
It's I mean it's pretty striking

914
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:50,800
Brad, even if a lot of his
movies are just kind of like the

915
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,000
quote-unquote Cowboys and
Indians type movies.

916
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,900
There always seems to be a
little, something more going on.

917
00:51:57,500 --> 00:52:04,400
Yeah, it Looks like he has an
ability to draw the strings of

918
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,800
like what's going on in America
at the time into every single

919
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,400
one of his movies.
Yeah, you're right.

920
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,800
He always seems to be trying to
like mythologize about America

921
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,500
and the cool thing about Ford
though is that like there are

922
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:21,000
certain movies where it seems
like he is feeding into the myth

923
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,800
of like American exceptionalism.
The I mean like we deserve to be

924
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,300
here and like, Ethel these
native Americans, you know what

925
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:31,000
I mean?
And then there's other movies

926
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,100
where he's like, no actually.
The myth of America is just

927
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:37,100
that, like, none of this is
real.

928
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:40,100
And we are creating legends
about the old west in ways that

929
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:43,700
the old west never existed.
One of his most famous movies is

930
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:47,000
called The Man Who Shot Liberty
Valance and that whole movie is

931
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:53,000
about this story of a guy who's
gotten really famous off of an

932
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,700
act.
He committed of like shooting a

933
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:57,600
famous Outlaw.
It's very much like the

934
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,400
assassination of James.
And at the end of that movie,

935
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,900
you get this famous line about
how when the legend becomes

936
00:53:05,900 --> 00:53:10,000
fact, print the legend and it's
this like agreement that we've

937
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,600
all made that like we're not
going to examine what really

938
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,300
happened because it's a better
story to tell like the mythology

939
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:18,600
of it.
And so for kind of goes back and

940
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,800
forth between propping up that
myth and then like tearing it

941
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,600
down again and The Grapes of
Wrath is such an interesting

942
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,200
movie in his Cannon because it
is very much.

943
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,300
This is what Erica really looks
like and this is what it looks

944
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:32,000
like right now.
I think that's one thing we

945
00:53:32,008 --> 00:53:36,000
forget about this movie, this
was happening in real life at

946
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,700
the time.
This movie came out, it was

947
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:42,100
almost like he was trying to
make a documentary of this is

948
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:44,100
what life is, like, for these
migrant workers.

949
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,800
And that's a really rare thing
to get in Hollywood.

950
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,700
We don't get movies about
current events as they're

951
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:52,100
happening.
And yet, here's the word doing

952
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:57,900
it, and it's almost like the,
the modern version of The Grapes

953
00:53:57,900 --> 00:54:00,700
of Wrath.
Is Childish, Gambino's.

954
00:54:00,700 --> 00:54:04,200
This is America.
I was, you know, I was just

955
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,400
reading an article the other day
about Zero Dark Thirty a movie

956
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,700
which we may or may not be
reviewing this season.

957
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:13,700
And how like that's one of the
few movies about the Iraq war or

958
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:15,900
the word Afghanistan.
You know, our Middle Eastern

959
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:20,100
activities that came out while
we were still there and yet,

960
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:23,600
it's very famously a movie that
the CIA was like feeding them

961
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,200
information on and so it's like
here's what the government wants

962
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,000
you to think.
And in that scenario.

963
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:33,300
Hmm.
And and so, it's even more of

964
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:36,100
like this.
It's just crazy to me that this

965
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:38,800
movie gets made that this book
gets written, and that it

966
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,200
captures the attention of
Americans in such a profound

967
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,400
way.
Like, while it's happening.

968
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:48,600
Well, I mean, in the research
that I was doing for two facts

969
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:54,400
in a falsehood, they basically
said that they had to they

970
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,200
filmed this under the codename.
I think it was Route 66.

971
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:03,800
To keep the workers in the area
from knowing what they were

972
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,100
filming because the book was so
explosive.

973
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:11,400
And, you know, we talked earlier
about the unionization movement

974
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,400
and all that, but they were like
terrified that people were going

975
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,200
to come protest this movie
because of what it was saying

976
00:55:18,500 --> 00:55:21,700
about the current goings-on of
America.

977
00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:26,000
And, you know, it's I guess it
just goes to prove that like,

978
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:30,000
you know, we think that
nowadays, It's dangerous to talk

979
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,000
about what's going on in America
right now.

980
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,800
But like man, it's always been a
little bit crazy to do

981
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,900
politically motivated
proclamations.

982
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:42,500
Right?
In the midst of, you know, the

983
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:45,500
the craziness that can be people
trying to run a country

984
00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:47,200
together.
Well, and I think this is where

985
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,700
you, you can most immediately
see why Ford is considered such

986
00:55:52,700 --> 00:55:57,400
a strong director because this
movie becomes so successful that

987
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,100
it then drive.
More sales of the book and the

988
00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:04,900
book was so controversial.
And until the movie came out,

989
00:56:04,900 --> 00:56:08,000
and then the movie came out, and
people were like, oh, I get it

990
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,800
now, like I'm on Henry Fonda
side now.

991
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,800
Almost at Henry, Ford.
That's the opposite of what this

992
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,200
movie is about.
But people are like, I'm on

993
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,600
Henry Fonda side and it plays
into the power of movie, making

994
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,600
the power of putting this face
on a screen, 40 feet tall and

995
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,800
showing people, you know,
whether it's real or not the

996
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,500
plight.
Of what's happening in America

997
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,400
that this then like gets
everybody on the side of the

998
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,900
point of view of Steinbeck.
And yeah, I want to go back real

999
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:39,200
quick.
I was reading an article today

1000
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,100
about John Ford and why he's
considered an otter.

1001
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,900
And I'm going to read a quote
from that and then there's like

1002
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:47,500
a quote within a quote, but the
author of this article says,

1003
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,200
perhaps the image, which most
dominates Ford's legacy today,

1004
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:57,000
is the last shot of John Wayne
standing alone in the desert as

1005
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,700
the door closes to shut.
Mount.

1006
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:00,800
This is in the Searchers will
talk about this next week.

1007
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:04,800
It's the ultimate expression of
what's been identified as the 40

1008
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,800
and hero a figure who is
necessary to solve society's

1009
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:14,300
problems, but tragically unable
to enjoy them which you see with

1010
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:17,300
Tom Joad, in this movie, right?
And then he goes on to say, as

1011
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:20,900
John Baxter wrote in a 1971
analysis of Ford's work.

1012
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:25,500
Ford makes most of his Heroes
Outsiders chronic Wanderers, who

1013
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:28,200
accept the necessity of serving
Society.

1014
00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:32,200
Admire its virtues secretly wish
to be part of it, but are driven

1015
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,200
by personal motives to reject
its security.

1016
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:37,700
This is something we're going to
keep seeing with Ford that, that

1017
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:39,900
his heroes are almost always
loners.

1018
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:43,700
Almost always Outsiders that
there's something like inherent

1019
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:46,400
to society, that pushes them
out, whether it's their own

1020
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,600
flaws, or, it's a flaw with
society.

1021
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:52,400
And I think when you frame it
that way, this movie makes a lot

1022
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,300
of sense in film in Ford's
filmography.

1023
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:01,300
Like he clearly sees Tom Joad as
the Rowe, who is a victim of a

1024
00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:03,900
society that won't accept people
like him.

1025
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,800
And I don't know, man.
I whether it's successful or

1026
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,700
not, I think I'd like to hear
from you Brad but I think that's

1027
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:13,600
kind of how we're framing this
movie in Ford's filmography.

1028
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,300
Yeah, I mean, it's a fascinating
way to talk about an archetypal

1029
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:23,100
character and you see in the
public Consciousness that, I

1030
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:28,200
mean, look at our look at our
2016 election, like Trump,

1031
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:32,700
Lately ran on the idea of like
I'm an outsider to the to the

1032
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:37,000
world of politics, who can come
in and like, get things done.

1033
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:42,200
And I think that people really
latched onto that and you know,

1034
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,300
you see that even in other
movies.

1035
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:46,400
Like, as soon as you started
talking about the character, I

1036
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:52,200
was like, oh, all I could see
was the opening of gladiator,

1037
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,700
when Richard Harris, is trying
to pass the throne on to

1038
00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:59,900
Maximus, right heel.
Really gives the speech that you

1039
00:58:59,900 --> 00:59:04,900
just gave like, like, we don't
need another spoiled brat who's

1040
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:07,000
been brought up in the system,
we need somebody from the

1041
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,300
outside, who doesn't care for
the trappings of the throne and

1042
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:12,300
who can guide us into a better
future.

1043
00:59:12,700 --> 00:59:17,200
Like, you know, that's, that's
60 years after this film comes

1044
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,300
out, you know, that wins the
Oscar, right?

1045
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:23,900
So yeah, I think that it's a
fascinating.

1046
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,400
I don't know.
I love the idea of these

1047
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:32,600
archetypal Characters that just
capture the Public's imagination

1048
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:37,400
because I think that we've seen
that idea of the outsider stick

1049
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,000
in the public Consciousness and
I wonder if it's partially just

1050
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,400
because of how popular John Ford
was as a director.

1051
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,200
Yeah.
And I think it's important to

1052
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,100
say to that like Ford views
these people as tragic Heroes,

1053
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:52,600
right?
Like, they are ultimately doomed

1054
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,500
to be rejected by Society or to
become to be loners and to stay

1055
00:59:56,500 --> 01:00:01,600
loners, like it's there.
Heroic and also a figure of

1056
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,800
tragedy.
And so, I mean, let's go into, I

1057
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,300
was a look at Bogart in
Casablanca.

1058
01:00:07,700 --> 01:00:09,000
Yeah.
I mean, I feel like he's more of

1059
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,500
an antihero.
But like this, this is kind of

1060
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:13,100
the precursor to the anti-hero
write.

1061
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:16,700
Like this is the precursor to
what you see in like film Noir,

1062
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,100
right?
Like the rough-edged guy but

1063
01:00:19,100 --> 01:00:22,500
here, it's like, he's a victim
of forces that are Beyond his

1064
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:26,700
control.
And I think about comparison you

1065
01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:29,100
made if we're getting into Our
new segment.

1066
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:31,800
Let's make it a double where we
talk about pairing this up with

1067
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,800
another movie.
I think the Dark Knight is

1068
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,200
actually a really, really great
comparison Brad like because

1069
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,000
that is exactly what the end of
that movie is about that.

1070
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,100
Like he is doomed.
Batman is doomed to be a figure

1071
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:47,400
who is rejected by society, and
we will never understand why we

1072
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,300
needed him, but we need him and
we just don't get it yet and

1073
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:54,200
he's a victim of that that is as
explicit as that can possibly

1074
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,600
get.
So I mean, I don't want to take

1075
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,800
your pick for you but like I
feel like you already had the

1076
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,500
best possible pick here if I was
going to pick a movie to lighten

1077
01:01:04,500 --> 01:01:06,600
things up here at the end of our
episode.

1078
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,500
Brad, I'm going to choose a
movie.

1079
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:14,400
That is also about a man who,
unfortunately killed another man

1080
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,300
in a drunken bar fight, who's
just getting out of prison, who

1081
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:20,400
wants to go home and see his
family.

1082
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,400
And yet, his family is being
taken from him on his Westward

1083
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,600
flight.
And when I say Westward flight,

1084
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,900
I mean a literal flight because
I'm King about Nicolas Cage in

1085
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:36,000
Conair, I want to pair this.
I want to pair this movie up

1086
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:41,700
with Conair, which is again a
real and true metaphor for life

1087
01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:45,500
in the American West.
This time in the late 1990s when

1088
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:49,700
your plane gets hijacked by John
Malkovich, Bob, I have never

1089
01:01:49,700 --> 01:01:52,500
seen a con.
Are you have now?

1090
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:54,700
Because you've seen The Grapes
of Wrath, okay?

1091
01:01:54,700 --> 01:01:57,900
What I'm saying is it is The
Grapes of Wrath of the 1990s.

1092
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:03,100
That is amazing, man.
Yeah man, I the way that you

1093
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:06,700
were talking just a minute ago
about, you know, a movie with a

1094
01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:09,200
hero where things are just
completely out of his control.

1095
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,800
It kind of got me thinking and
we're going to stay in the vein

1096
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,600
of Western.
But where do we come to a very

1097
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:18,500
much more modern Western.
I think I'm going to pair this

1098
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:21,800
because I want, I want the
ending of this movie to be more

1099
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,600
depressing.
So I'm going to, I'm going to

1100
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,100
pick a movie.
That's a little more depressing.

1101
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:28,500
The, where am I going?
Bob, you're going to pick No

1102
01:02:28,500 --> 01:02:30,900
Country for Old Men.
I'm going to pick No Country For

1103
01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:32,300
Old.
Yeah, you are.

1104
01:02:33,700 --> 01:02:36,600
Good choice.
I we once again get to hear your

1105
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,500
incredible pronunciation of No
Country for Old Men.

1106
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,600
That's right.
No Country for Gary Oldman.

1107
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,000
I like it.
I do kind of, I mean, you know,

1108
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,700
again, we don't want to spoil
the ending of the book but like,

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01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:58,100
you know, just get on Wikipedia,
this book is Bleak, mmm, like

1110
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,500
Ali Bleak, and I feel like
Cormac McCarthy about is the

1111
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:05,000
Coen brothers would be happy.
I would say it's about, as Bleak

1112
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,500
as Anton sugars outlook on life.
All right, there you have it.

1113
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:11,700
Three really good pics from both
of us.

1114
01:03:11,700 --> 01:03:15,700
I if I do say so myself Con Air
is the most obvious of three

1115
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:16,500
like it.
Come on.

1116
01:03:16,700 --> 01:03:20,000
Why would you not watch Conair
Brad?

1117
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,500
Let's get into final scores
here.

1118
01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:25,700
Just put quite frankly.
This is a good, a really good

1119
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:29,400
movie.
That is not the 22nd greatest

1120
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,300
film ever made.
And I'm actually really

1121
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:34,500
surprised to see it that high on
the list because there's a few

1122
01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:37,500
movies, like this on the list
that are kind of, like their

1123
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:40,900
never debated.
But I never hear anyone talk

1124
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:43,400
about them either.
And so like, I've I have never

1125
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,300
seen someone on like Twitter or
whatever be like, hey how about

1126
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:49,700
The Grapes of Wrath?
Like the Searchers gets all the

1127
01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:52,200
conversation because its
controversial, but at least it's

1128
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,800
getting conversation.
I have literally never seen a

1129
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,200
conversation about the movie,
The Grapes of Wrath and so Oh,

1130
01:03:58,207 --> 01:04:00,000
like you just had one.
Yeah.

1131
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:01,900
Right.
And we're the first, we're we

1132
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:04,100
all get first.
We're gonna get all the views on

1133
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:09,200
this one, man, but this is like
an eight and a half Brad, and I

1134
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,900
feel like it could have been a
10 if it had stuck with the tone

1135
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,200
of the first half of the movie.
But it settles into a really

1136
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,500
conventional story in the second
half and I just feel like it

1137
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:23,000
loses a lot of steam for me.
So I'm gonna give it an eight

1138
01:04:23,008 --> 01:04:26,400
and a half out of ten.
Yeah, I think that this movie

1139
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,100
starts with like a nine and a
half.

1140
01:04:28,300 --> 01:04:32,500
Attend and drops to like a seven
out of ten by the end of the

1141
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:39,400
movie, man.
I really really lost interest in

1142
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,100
this movie and that's not a good
thing to say.

1143
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,800
So I think I'm going to give it
a seven and a half out of ten

1144
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,600
Bob.
All right, that brings us to an

1145
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,600
average of an 8 out of 10, which
I mean is fair.

1146
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,600
And I think that, you know,
again, it's maybe the Great

1147
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:59,400
American novel debatable.
But this, Is a movie that was

1148
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,400
really important, 80 years ago,
that still has many, many

1149
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,000
effective sequences, 80 years
later, but it's just not a

1150
01:05:06,008 --> 01:05:08,100
perfect film, and I don't know
that I would even call it

1151
01:05:08,100 --> 01:05:10,400
anywhere approaching John Ford's
best film.

1152
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,900
But we'd like to know what you
think, are you a huge fan of the

1153
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:15,800
book or the movie, The Grapes of
Wrath?

1154
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:18,900
You can find us on our social
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1155
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,700
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1156
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:26,700
can jump onto our Discord.
We as Bob said before, we're on

1157
01:05:26,700 --> 01:05:29,700
there, every single day talking.
To you guys, the people who

1158
01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:33,400
listen to our podcast, you can
find a link to our Discord at

1159
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,400
the end of every single one of
our show notes.

1160
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:39,500
Next week, we keep the John Ford
train Rollin here and we are

1161
01:05:39,500 --> 01:05:43,300
going to be looking at his most
controversial film The Searchers

1162
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,600
join us for that next week.
But until then, I'm Bob book,

1163
01:05:46,900 --> 01:05:49,300
I'm Brad G and we'll see you
next time.