The Departed / The Sexton Irish Whiskey

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Robots radio presents in 2006
director Martin Scorsese and far

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too many stars to name in this
short opening gave the world a

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shockingly violent foray into
the underworld of Boston crime

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in 2020.
We return to the Emerald Isle to

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sample.
A single malt, the film is The

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Departed, the whiskey is the
sexton and we'll review them

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both.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and

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this week we are looking at the
2006 film The Departed.

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You accuse me once.
I put up with it, you accuse me

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twice, I quit.
You pressuring me to feel for my

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life and I will put a bullet in
your head as if you were anybody

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else, okay?
Brad.

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It is good to be back with you
again this week.

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This is actually the first of
two Martin Scorsese films that

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we are going to be doing this
season later on.

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In the season, will be returning
to a Scorsese DiCaprio match up

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with Shutter Island.
But today, we are talking about

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the movie that finally won him.
His best director.

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Oscar, his best picture Oscar
2006 has The Departed.

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Yeah.
Bob it's been a little bit since

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we recorded and I'm glad to be
back here in the studio.

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And honestly, I am really
excited to talk about The

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Departed today.
Day because it is a heck of a

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film.
And if I was using the language

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of the film, I don't think
anybody would be listening to it

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anymore.
We would have numerous beeps

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already in this episode.
Yeah, we be bleeping out quite a

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bit.
But yeah.

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The The Departed is it's a crazy
movie.

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Lots of stuff goes on, there's
so much Intrigue and just I'm

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really excited to get into it.
Bob well that's good to hear

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Brad and I think in our
conversations with each other it

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had come up before the you have
seen this movie before watching

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it for this.
Cast.

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Is that correct?
Yeah, I had seen it once before.

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Probably about two or three
years ago, I sat down and

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watched it with Haley.
She gave it a definitive two

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thumbs down this.
This does not seem like the kind

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of film that your wife would be
into.

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You know what, the the
interesting thing is Haley, kind

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of grew up watching, whatever
movies, her dad brought home.

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So like she saw Saving Private
Ryan as like a seven or eight

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year old, you know what I mean?
So like, it's not necessarily

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that it's like the violence or
the language that Others her.

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But yeah, she wasn't she wasn't
a huge fan.

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It was a little too over-the-top
for her.

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So Brad one of the interesting
things and I guess I'm going to

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kind of out myself now so that
we can kind of frame our

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conversation around.
This, is that watching this

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movie.
I was struck by two things.

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The first is that I really like
this movie.

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I think it's a good movie.
I think it's a very good movie,

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but the second is that it loses
a lot on re-watch, and I think

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that the, the shock of the
events that happen in this

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movie, The First time you see
it, and we'll get into those

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when we get to our spoiler,
filled synopsis and Brad

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explains.
But the shock of those events is

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what really put the movie Over
The Edge.

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In terms of enjoyment value.
This is a really enjoyable

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entertaining movie and it's one
of those movies that Scorsese

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doesn't always lean into these
kind of things where it's just a

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movie for a movie sake.
It's just the pure adrenaline of

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the movie, movie going
experience, and I feel like on

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second, watch, it still has a
lot of those.

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Good Vibes that a game gave off
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But watching it after, you know,
what happens at the end of the

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movie, I think it really does
lose something on the re-watch.

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I was going to say, I think that
before we get into Brad

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explains, I will say, this is a
movie that you should see before

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you find out the spoiler.
Yeah, so if you haven't seen the

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movie, I really would highly
advise.

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Go jump on Amazon Prime.
It's like three or four bucks to

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rent.
Check it out.

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It's a spectacular movie.
And it's one worth watching

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before you have it spoiled for
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But with that said, I don't
think we can really get any

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further in this episode.
Brad without breaking down the

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plot of this movie and the
spoilers of this movie because I

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feel like that's going to come
up a lot.

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So for those of you who are not
familiar, we are moving into a

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segment that we call Brad
explains.

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That is where Brad breaks down
the plot of the movie that he

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has just watched often for the
first time, that is not the case

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today.
And so Brad, I am expecting an

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excellent breakdown.
Of this incredibly convoluted

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plot from you can you break down
the Departed for our listeners?

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Yeah Bob I'd love to do some
explaining here because this is

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It's a heck of a story, man.
You start the film by following

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two separate lives.
You follow Leonardo DiCaprio.

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Playing Billy Costigan, who is a
young Cadet at the Boston,

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Police Academy, or Massachusetts
police academy, and he's working

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his way onto the police force
and You also follow Matt Damon.

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Who's playing a man named Colin
Sullivan and you follow him

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through a little bit more of his
childhood and you see that he is

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persuaded by the local crime
Lord to kind of become you know

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one of his main men and you
realize quickly that as he is

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also going through police school
and eventually he becomes a

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police detective that he is in
the pocket of Frank Costello,

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who is played by the very A
memorable, Jack Nicholson in

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this movie, you quickly realize
that Leonardo DiCaprio's

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character grew up with a family
full of people and crime and he

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is probably the only person in
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the south side of Boston and try
to have somewhat of a legitimate

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lifestyle.
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things, you have a squeaky
clean, you know, Matt Damon, who

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just fits the role of detective
and he's sharp who is actually A

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mole for Jack Nicholson's crime,
you know, crime unit his gang.

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And so the movie Just follows
them from there, they slowly

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work.
Their ways into positions of

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power Leonardo DiCaprio is sent
undercover into Costello's crime

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syndicate and slowly works his
way up the ranks.

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Just the way that Matt Damon is
working his way up the ranks in

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the Massachusetts state
troopers.

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And so the movie Just follows
all the different Twists and

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turns.
It takes to be an undercover cop

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and an undercover mole in the
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And by the end of the film, the
people who are keeping Leonardo

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DiCaprio from being found out,
they get killed and Matt, Damon

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is trying to cover up the
evidence and he's killing people

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left and right and it ends with
pretty much everybody getting

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killed and there's a lot of
death.

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There's a lot of f-words and
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It's have.
I have I emphasize enough how

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This movie is, it's incredibly
violent and you know, Brad it

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doesn't quite play out as
suddenly as you are making it

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seem.
But some of the deaths in this

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film are incredibly sudden and
again, if we get into spoilers

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we might as well just say it at
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It finally looks like Leonardo
DiCaprio's character who has

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gone through hell.
Being an undercover cop is going

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to finally get some justice.
He makes basically a citizen's

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arrest of, Matt Damon's
character, because Damon's

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character has erased all the
files indicating that he was.

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Several police officer and he's
taking Damon down this elevator

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to go turn him in and prove that
he was Costello's rat.

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And as the elevator doors open,
you get just a gunshot and then

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Leonardo DiCaprio splattered
brains on the back of this

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elevator.
And it was one of the most

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shocking deaths I've ever seen
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And I have to give it up to
Scorsese because it happens

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really quickly.
And if you watch that scene

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really carefully, like it gives
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Time to register what's going
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Like DiCaprio, kind of hangs in
the frame for just a second

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before he falls out, and it
like, it's not so jarring that

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you're disoriented.
But it was one of those moments

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where, like, I was in the movie
theater when this happened and

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people audibly said, what the f
out loud and I love when stuff

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like that happens in a movie
that no one's expecting.

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Yeah, that that was my exact
same response.

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The first time I was watching
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I mean, you are just So heavily
invested in Leo's character and

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his path for justice and his
path to find some normal

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semblance of a life and it's
just gone just absolutely

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destroyed and half of a
heartbeat.

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And and I think that that moment
leads you to a beautiful place

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where for the next 10 to 15
minutes of the movie, it feels

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like Matt Damon is going to get
away with it, right?

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Like he sits down and he tells
them that Leo was a hero and

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that he was the undercover cop.
That found the mole and that the

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mole was this other guy, which
technically this other guy was a

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mole in the office.
Like it's so convoluted and so

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crazy that those last 10
minutes, you're like holy cow.

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Matt Damon's gonna get away with
this and then Mark Wahlberg

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shows up and he looks he looks
like like have you ever had an

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electrician come to your house
and like do some work?

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And he's like wearing those
little booties if it Kind of

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looks like he's just this
electrician to come in to work

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on your house and he just
shoots, Matt Damon wipes, his

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gun off and walks away and
that's the end of the movie and

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that's the end of the you're
absolutely right.

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Brad like everybody dies and at
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Scorsese and the screenwriter
William Monahan were just like

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well that's the last dramatic
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this so let's just wrap up
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Yeah, there's no resolution it's
just like gunshot Falls over

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dead.
You get this terrible shot of a

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rat which is supposed to be
Symbolic and then it's like and

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directed by Martin Scorsese.
There is just there's nothing

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else to say.
It's almost like Shakespeare

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except you don't have anybody
come out and summarize what

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happened?
It, just it.

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You're in.
You're out everyone's dead.

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Low hear the tale of Billy
kashagan, Brad.

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I think that we should start
talking about this cast because

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it is absolutely enormous.
Obviously we're not going to be

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able to talk about everybody in
the cast, but our two leads

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DiCaprio and Matt Damon are
especially important.

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And for us to talk about here
and I actually want to start

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with Matt Damon because DiCaprio
has the protagonist role

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DiCaprio.
We spend more time with him.

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We see more of this story
through his eyes, even though

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the story is set up starting
with Damon's character as a

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young boy, but DiCaprio's, the
one we're rooting for and Damon

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is the one that were rooting
against and more and more.

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As the film goes on, you're
really starting to hate this guy

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and you really want to see him
get his comeuppance.

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When he finally, you know,
sheds, that cocky outer layer in

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the elevator.
And DiCaprio's taking him down

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and he just starts crying and
just kind of a sniveling little

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weasel.
You're like, oh yeah yeah I

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relish this.
I have a theory though.

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Brad that Damon is actually so
good in this movie that it has

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kind of affected his reputation
among the general population

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ever.
Since like he plays the bad guy

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so convincingly and so well that
I think people kind of actually

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look at Matt Damon as he His
character in this movie a little

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bit now.
Does that make sense?

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Dude, you know who else I feel
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About is Joaquin Phoenix after
he played Nero in Gladiator.

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Oh yeah, I can't watch him
without being a little bit

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creeped out that he wanted to
sleep with his sister.

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Yeah.
Like like, I'm just like, man, I

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don't know about that Joaquin.
Phoenix guy, he's a little

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weird.
I mean, it reminds me of a

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conversation.
We had in an earlier episode

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when we did Interstellar and
Matt Damon's kind of play, The

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same type of role in that movie
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And I talked about how he's an
A-list star, who is, as big of

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an actor as McConaughey was, and
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that he's been so willing to
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so willing to play the villain
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Quote-unquote role in his career
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kind of downplay just how big of
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Damon in this movie.
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table, like a Clash of Titans in
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Yeah, well and that's the crazy
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It has some a plus level stars
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then it has the younger
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Martin Sheen and Jack Nicholson.
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stars.
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greatest Movie stars of all
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Sure.
This movie is so, so stacked

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when you going to take Costello,
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I mean, what's wrong with taking
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felonies that you've seen him do
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I mean I mean he murdered
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The guy and murder somebody and
you don't can take him.

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What are you waiting for
unassuming?

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Do you want to chop me up and
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Is that what you guys want?
Oh, that might stick you shut

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up.
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It takes time, you know?
Oh, that something's wrong.

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I'm telling you, something's
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almost need to watch this movie,
a few different times and really

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just analyze the different
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Like, man, I'm just going to
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with each other.
I'm just going to watch Jack

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Nicholson and really pay close
attention to his performance.

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You could watch this movie just
for the performances about nine

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different times and see it from
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It's fascinating, how many stars
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this Seto?
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It was a 90 million dollar movie
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on paper this movie shouldn't
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had to pay the people that were
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off of Matt, Damon though?
Brad, I want to, I want to get

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your sense of what you think of
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more I think about it, you know,
if I was pressed to choose who

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was better between him and Leo,
I really Don't know who I would

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pick because Leo is the
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And so I feel like we're kind of
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doesn't work.
If you don't have Matt Damon

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playing Sullivan in this movie.
Like it's so nuanced.

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It's so layered and he's so good
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Like, you can tell that his
character really projects this

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Cockiness that he starts to
believe the Cockiness that like

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he wants to be a politician.
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the Statehouse and he's willing
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bus for it.
That when he finally Crumples

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and shows just how much of a
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film, it really lands and I
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could make this role work, and I
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the unheralded person in this
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and not drawing attention to it.
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about this movie is that it's
almost as if the movie is

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charting the direction of two
separate Stars, one of them is

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pointing up into the right.
The other one is pointing down

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into to the right.
And so you watch as Leonardo

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DiCaprio just descends into
frustration and fear and this

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madness almost that comes with
being an undercover cop with no

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real ties.
You know to who he really is as

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a person.
But in the same way you see Matt

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Damon struggling with the same
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life.
He gets the nice apartment, he

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gets the girlfriend and so when
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characters, I really don't
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That there is a star in this
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I like, in the truest sense of
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Damon are co-stars in this
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selling the image that he is
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You know, his characters trying
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and out of the two performances,
I think I am more impressed with

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Damon, you know, there's
something about that ability.

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B2B convincingly.
Evil that not not, not.

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All actors can do.
And and honestly, I think Leo

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can do it as well, but Leo feels
like it's more in his wheelhouse

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here.
Like, there's certain elements

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of like The Aviator that I see
in this movie, where Leo is

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struggling with, to hold his
grip on reality to understand

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why the things are happening
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And honestly, like, I love Leo
in this movie, I think he does a

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great job, but I Of them.
Like, I don't know a B plus to

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an a - for this role.
I don't know if this was his a

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game, whereas Damon, like you
said, Bob by the end of the

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film, when he, when the when
push comes to shove the dudes, a

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coward and he's not willing to
face, you know, the real facts

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of life that you see those
cracks throughout the whole

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movie.
But they finally, just rupture

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at the end and it's beautiful.
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Brad.
And I don't really know that I

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need to say anything else about
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with you, this really does seem
kind of like his wheel house and

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he really started to lean into
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pent-up frustration rolls.
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with Aviator, but then starting
with this movie I feel like he

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just started to kind of rattle
off performances like this.

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It's the same kind of character,
you know, that you see in

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Shutter Island which we're going
to review later this season.

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Same kind of character you see
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time you get to like a Shutter
Island, that's one of my

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favorites.
Honor DiCaprio performances

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because there's a, there's a
layer of emotion and nuanced

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under it that I don't think this
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has time to invest in.
I think it should have made more

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time to invest in, but it almost
seems like the characters in

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this movie don't have much
background, they don't have much

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growth.
They you know they are just

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completely tools of the plot.
They're being moved around like

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pieces on a chessboard and I
think that ultimately like

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DiCaprio does as much as he can
with the Character.

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But the character always seems
to be kind of in the moment and

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you don't really have the sort
of emotional weight of his

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history or his past that goes
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That would kind of take it to
the next level if that makes

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sense.
Yeah, yeah, I'm right there with

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you.
Bob, I think that Leo did a

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great job but it just wasn't
over the top for me.

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But honestly, I, if you're okay
with moving on I want to hear

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what you have to say about Jack.
Yeah, so this is, this is the

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big one and the interesting
thing with this movie, which is

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really, really cool is that That
it's almost set up like a like

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an algebraic equation.
There's a symmetry to this cast

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that everybody in the the crime,
underworld has their analog on

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the other side of things.
So you've got you know, for

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every DiCaprio you have a Matt
Damon for every Jack Nicholson

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character.
You have the Martin Sheen

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character for the, you know, the
Mark Wahlberg character on the

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on the top side, you've got Ray
Winstone as the sort of number

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two on Jack Nicholson side, and
The supporting characters Again,

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Brad.
I think they run into the same

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problem where they don't really
have a lot to do except kind of

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move the plot along and some of
them do it better than others

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and like, Mark Wahlberg was
nominated for an Oscar for this

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movie.
Jack Nicholson was not and I

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think on paper, if you are just,
you know, the average moviegoer

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and you think about Mark
Wahlberg's performance versus

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Jack Nicholson's.
It's like wow, Jack was robbed,

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right?
Because Jack Nicholson is like,

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the more entertaining figure.
He is the more I'm nearing

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presence in the movie.
Mark Wahlberg's kind of in the

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background and yet when you
start to see what all the other

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actors in this movie are doing
and the way that some of them

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are restrained and some of them
are over the top and then you

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look at Jack Nicholson.
I think the knock against Jack

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here is that Jack doesn't care
about any of the other actors in

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the room with him at least in
this movie, you know, DiCaprio's

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trying to underplay some things
because he knows how big Jack is

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going and we use this, this
phrase all the time.

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About chewing scenery Jack
Nicholson is like devouring

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everything around him and the
point where it really got to be

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a little too much for me was
about two-thirds of the way

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through the movie when it's
DiCaprio and Jack Nicholson

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sitting down in this restaurant
and Jack Nicholson.

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Start talking about how he
knows.

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There's a rat in his crew and he
starts making these faces of

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like there's an ongoing little
rat.

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God does read this knowing
Keating, all right.

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And it brings up questions, you
know.

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See, Bill like you're the new
guy girlfriend.

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Why don't you stay in the bar
that night?

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I got your numbers.
Social Security numbers.

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Everybody's numbers is that it
is something that you just want

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to go ahead and ask me because
I'll give you the finance.

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All right, Frank look at me,
look at me, I'm not the rat.

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Okay, I'm not the fucking rat
start with you agree.

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There is a rat.
You said there is one right eye

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base, most of what I do on the
idea that you're pretty good at

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what you do.
He starts burning.

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Pieces of paper, he's eating
flies and all the reports that

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came out of that was that Jack
Nicholson was just improvising

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like crazy and Scorsese left
some of it in the movie because

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it amused him.
But honestly it got to the point

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with Jack where he was like so
cartoonish and so over the top

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that I felt like the movie was
almost grinding to a halt.

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In every one of his scenes to
let him do his thing before.

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We could kind of like pick back
up with the plot.

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Some more like was it a good
performance?

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Yeah I enjoyed it.
Jack Nicholson's.

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He's a great actor.
But was it what the movie

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needed?
I don't know.

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That's really interesting.
Bob, I I if you had said all of

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those exact same things except
about Mark Wahlberg, I would be

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right there with 0 interest
igrad.

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Like I think I think Wahlberg
was the most one-dimensional

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character in the movie though?
That's for sure.

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Like I don't think he was well
written but I thought Wahlberg

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played him well yeah I think
Wahlberg played him well but

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like I don't know.
It's just kind of like they set

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up Queen and And and, you know,
Martin Sheen and Wahlberg to

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just be purely.
Good cop, bad cop, like no

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matter who they were talking to
Wahlberg, was just always the

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bad cop.
And, you know, he's just yelling

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at everybody and screaming at
everybody and being as Boston as

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he can be.
And like, I just struggled with

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that, whereas I think
Nicholson's performance like I

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think about the very start of
the movie and how creepy he

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comes across and how Nuanced, he
is when he's like when he's

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grabbing the attention of young,
Matt Damon and like, pulling him

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into his crew.
It was stuff like that.

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That made me made me really
loved his performance.

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I I thought that his
over-the-topness was it just fit

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perfectly with the character I
thought Jack did a great job

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with that.
I actually really, really love

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Nicholson in this movie.
Yeah, Again Brad.

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I don't really think that this
cast has an actual weak link.

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Like everybody's good top to
bottom.

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Um, I think Alec Baldwin is
really good in his small role.

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Basically playing Alec Baldwin.
That's like, that's just what he

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does.
Yep.

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But he's Jack, Jack Donaghy, if
I if I had to give one more

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person that I think is worthy of
being praised, it would be Vera

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Farmiga as sort of the love
interest of both characters and

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I need to separate what she does
with what the script does,

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because her character is, the
biggest problem I have with this

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script, apparently.
And this movie is actually a

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remake Brad of a Kang movie
called infernal Affairs and

447
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,400
apparently in the original film,
there were two female

448
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,300
characters.
And they condense them down into

449
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:42,300
this one character for The
Departed.

450
00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:46,000
And I don't know how I feel
about that because, you know,

451
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,000
this movie really relies on a
lot of luck and contrivance has,

452
00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:54,400
and people just barely getting
missed, you know, like DiCaprio

453
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,000
has five different run-ins.
I think where it's like oh man

454
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,500
if he would have been two steps
ahead, he would have been killed

455
00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:02,900
but with her character
especially it's like she is Matt

456
00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:05,500
Damon's live.
In girlfriend who also happens

457
00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:09,700
to be a police psychiatrist, who
also happens to see non-police

458
00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:14,300
people, which Leonardo DiCaprio
goes to because he's on a

459
00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:19,700
court-mandated therapy session
and then they end up basically

460
00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:24,900
having this like illicit Affair,
unbeknownst to Matt Damon and it

461
00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:26,600
just gets a little too
contrived.

462
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,400
It's like you're really going to
like play up that these

463
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,300
characters are basically the
same person.

464
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,700
And the way you're going to do
that is that In the entire city

465
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:37,700
of Boston, they share the same
woman.

466
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,500
Like it's just, it's a little
much for me.

467
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,600
But I have to say, she does what
she can with the Ridiculousness

468
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,900
of that plot point, and she's
really, really good.

469
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:52,800
And she's the only person in the
movie who, who even tries to

470
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,100
bring some emotional like
underpinning to what's happening

471
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:59,800
on screen?
Yeah, there's a softness to her

472
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,500
character that you know, belies
the tough Edge.

473
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,300
Gayatri stews going to turn away
the drug seeking Leonardo

474
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:13,300
DiCaprio, it gives the movie and
emotional core that like makes

475
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:16,800
you really care about the movie.
And I do agree Bob like the

476
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,800
whole it does feel very
contrived and if he liked the

477
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:25,800
script itself, her character in
The Script feels forced and the

478
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,400
fact that she I think that I'm
right in assuming this but like

479
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,600
the baby isn't Matt.
Damon's it's actually Leo's back

480
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,300
right and Your enemy like stuff
like that.

481
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:37,600
You're kind of like.
Okay.

482
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:40,200
You know, of course, this is how
it goes right Susan.

483
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:43,900
So there's there's certain parts
of that that, you know, I don't

484
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:47,400
think she could avoid unless
unless she was the scriptwriter,

485
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,800
in which case she could have
done better.

486
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,000
But her performance was
spectacular.

487
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:57,100
I think she shows a lot of love
and care towards Matt Damon.

488
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,500
And you understand why she's
interested in him?

489
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:05,900
But when she's away from him, I
Of how she shows her uncertainty

490
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:07,800
about Damon.
Like, there's something about

491
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,000
him that she can't quite put her
finger on.

492
00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:15,700
That makes her feel uneasy about
him, and it's just, it's so well

493
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:17,800
done.
And I think that the way she

494
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:23,200
connects with Leo's raw acting
ability and the way that Leo

495
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,100
brings this broken individual
into the picture, her

496
00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:31,700
cautiousness in there and yet
openness to him is just amazing.

497
00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:34,600
Well, Brad, I do want to keep
talking About this script in the

498
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,300
second half of our episode.
Because if I'm not mistaken, it

499
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:40,000
won an Oscar.
And yet I'm not convinced that

500
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,400
it's really that great, we've
touched on some of the

501
00:27:42,408 --> 00:27:44,700
contrivances here.
You know, I also want to talk

502
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:48,700
about scorsese's Direction and
The absolutely brilliant editing

503
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:50,500
in this movie by Thelma
Schoonmaker.

504
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,600
But before we get into all that,
why don't we hit pause here?

505
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,400
And let's try this Sexton, Irish
whiskey, let's get to it.

506
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,400
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Alright so today we are
reviewing the sexton, Irish

536
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,300
whiskey.
Now this is actually a more

537
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:03,100
recent release in the United
States.

538
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:08,000
It premiered on us shelves.
In 2018, it is one of the most

539
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,200
distinctive looking bottles.
You will see on the Shelf at

540
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,900
your local liquor store.
Brad.

541
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:15,700
Can you describe what this
bottle looks like?

542
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:21,200
Well, before I describe it bob,
every time you say the sexton, I

543
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,500
feel like it makes me think
about how I met your mother and

544
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:28,400
the Blitz.
The gentleman, the gentleman,

545
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,000
the sex till their little logo
features.

546
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,000
A skull wearing a top hat.
So he actually would, I the

547
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,100
gentleman?
He would he would fit right now.

548
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,700
Yeah, so this bottle, I
legitimately thought that they

549
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:44,600
had sent us a sample size
bottle, which is usually like a

550
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,000
375 instead of a 750, but then I
looked and I was like, nope,

551
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,900
it's just very short and squats
and stout and it looks it's like

552
00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,100
let's See 1 2 3 4 5 6 so it
would be sexed agonal hex.

553
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:04,300
Hexagonal hexagon hexagonal, I
don't know, it's not octagonal

554
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:07,900
it's a six-sided bottle that is
not much opaque like it's

555
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:10,300
basically black.
It's got this really cool.

556
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:13,300
Click copper colored text on it
too.

557
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:15,000
It's just a really, really
sharp.

558
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,600
It's bottle.
It's one of the coolest looking

559
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,900
bottles.
I have ever seen a whiskey, be

560
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:23,300
placed in for sure.
And what always worries me when

561
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:28,100
a new brand comes along and they
Invest so much in their look.

562
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:30,200
Is that okay?
What's inside this bottle is not

563
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,500
going to be any good, right?
You have to use the branding to

564
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:35,900
actually sell the product
inside, right?

565
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:37,900
Exactly.
And that's what worried me.

566
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:39,900
Looking at this bottle.
For the first time now, I had

567
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:42,100
seen it on store shelves before,
but we actually had been

568
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:45,400
contacted by the pr firm that
represents the sexton.

569
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,600
And they said, we want you to
review this on your show.

570
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,300
They were fantastic.
They sent each of us a bottle.

571
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,000
They also said, look, it's not
the most portable kind of

572
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,400
bottle, so we're going to send
you pourers to go with it.

573
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,400
They color-coordinated them with
the bottle, like it.

574
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,500
We were treated, very, very well
by these people, but we said we

575
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:04,100
were going to give an open and
honest review of this product

576
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,700
and looking at it Brad, you
know, beyond just the copy,

577
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:09,400
that's on the bottle.
The story that they're trying to

578
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,400
tell, they don't give a lot of
information, it's a single malt.

579
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,900
So we know that it is from one
Distillery and that it is made

580
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:18,800
of barley, right?
We know that from the scotch

581
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,000
world, it's bottled at 40%
alcohol or 80 proof, but it

582
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,300
doesn't have an age statement
and it doesn't actually say

583
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:27,000
exactly.
Exactly, where it comes from

584
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:29,200
now, I've been online.
And a lot of people have

585
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,500
basically pinpointed that they
say, it comes from a certain

586
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:34,100
County in Ireland.
And because it comes from this

587
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:37,400
certain County, it's actually
likely made by Bushmills.

588
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,200
So if you ever had Bushmills,
Irish whiskey, this is kind of

589
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,200
coming from within there and it
might taste kind of similar.

590
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,400
So now that we actually know
where it comes from, like I

591
00:32:48,408 --> 00:32:49,800
said, it doesn't have an age
statement.

592
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,200
People have been kind of
speculating that it's a

593
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,400
four-year whiskey, I'm excited
to test this.

594
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:58,700
Against last week's whiskey
which was Bogaerts Irish.

595
00:32:58,700 --> 00:33:00,500
We're doing two Irish Whiskey's
in a row.

596
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,200
Brad.
What are you picking up on the

597
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,600
nose of this Sexton Irish
whiskey?

598
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,400
Honestly.
Bob it.

599
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,600
It's very alcohol forward.
It smells a little young for me.

600
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,300
Oh interesting.
Yeah and this is one of those

601
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:17,700
areas Again Brad where we use
different glasses, you.

602
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:21,000
And I to sip our whiskey and I'm
not getting a ton of alcohol.

603
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,300
I get some really really great
fruit notes.

604
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:28,200
It is similar in Like the nose
to a blended Scotch.

605
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,300
Now, I know this is a single
malt and it's Irish, but it

606
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:33,800
reminds me a lot of the Johnnie
Walker Black Label that we tried

607
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,500
last season.
It reminds me a lot of Chivas

608
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:39,000
Regal.
There's that that distinct

609
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:44,200
barley multi smell to it but it
has a ton of like pear apple

610
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,600
notes.
On top of that.

611
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,100
Yeah just reminds me of kind of
a lower-end blended Scotch when

612
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:54,500
it comes to the nose Bobby.
Yeah, as I continue to knows

613
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:59,200
this it It has some nice like
sweet almost like Peach notes.

614
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,000
Hey just you know pear Peach,
just kind of along that lines of

615
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:10,300
a nice sweet fruity palette that
always gets me excited and I'm

616
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:13,199
going to use my my famous word
for Irish whiskeys.

617
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,900
It just kind of comes across as
bright Absolutely Fresh egg.

618
00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:18,699
Yeah you know it's not super
Smoky.

619
00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:20,600
It doesn't have like a dark
caramel character.

620
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,000
It really is.
Just like grain and fruit.

621
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,300
It smells like it smells When I
think bright Brad, I think of

622
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:29,800
like something healthy that I'm
supposed to be eating what I

623
00:34:29,808 --> 00:34:34,100
mean and it just has those sense
of like grains, honey and fruit

624
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:37,199
and I really, really like it.
I think it's a really beautiful

625
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:38,500
knows.
I'm gonna give it a seven on the

626
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:39,900
nose.
I'm right there with you.

627
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:41,500
Bob.
I'm going to give it a seven as

628
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:45,699
well, but I'm really curious to
see where the nose takes us once

629
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:47,500
we taste it.
Well let's get to it bread.

630
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,100
That's nice.
I like this a lot Brad.

631
00:34:54,900 --> 00:35:00,400
Wow that is that is really good.
Bob But as my professional

632
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,900
opinion really good, I like this
a lot, brat it right up front on

633
00:35:03,908 --> 00:35:06,100
the tip of my tongue.
It had that fruit sweetness,

634
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:08,300
that it carried with it, maybe
some sort of Honey.

635
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:11,800
Again, not a dark caramel sort
of sweet but a really bright

636
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,700
almost floral.
Sort of sweetness to it as you

637
00:35:14,707 --> 00:35:16,200
kind of roll it to the back of
your tongue.

638
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,900
It carries that sweetness with
it and any alcohol or kind of

639
00:35:19,908 --> 00:35:23,700
smoke or that multi you know,
scotchy sort of taste that comes

640
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:27,500
with, it is really paired nicely
with that sweetness all the way

641
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:30,600
through, you know, a lot of
Times when we talk about balance

642
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:31,700
and I'm like, skipping ahead
here.

643
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:34,800
But we point out that like from
the front of our tongue, to the

644
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,300
back of the palate is a
completely different whiskey.

645
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:41,000
And if there's not enough of a
transition between those, we

646
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:43,300
take some points off.
I don't see that here at all

647
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:44,400
Brad.
I think that it really

648
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,900
transitions nicely from what you
get upfront to what you get at

649
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:49,600
the back of the taste.
Yeah, there really is.

650
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:51,400
I think I would just call it
movement.

651
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:55,100
There's a beautiful movement
from the front of your tongue to

652
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:58,000
as it moves back to your palate
as you finish it.

653
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:00,800
And there's just a lot.
Going on here at the front.

654
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,500
I'm getting some of those pear
Peach.

655
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:07,900
Nice, sweet fruity notes.
And then as it moves along, you

656
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:11,700
do get some of that malted
barley kind of feel you get some

657
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:15,200
of that graininess but it's not
overwhelming.

658
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,900
I think a lot of dangers with
young grainy whiskies is that

659
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:22,800
you just kind of get overwhelmed
by it and you lose all the good

660
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,100
flavors.
You got on the tip of your

661
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,200
tongue.
It does not do that here.

662
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,200
It's an impressive whiskey.
I'm going to give it a one and a

663
00:36:29,207 --> 00:36:30,800
half on the taste.
I'm right there with you.

664
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,800
Brad seven and a half for me and
that takes us to the Finish.

665
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:36,100
I don't think it has a very long
finish.

666
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,500
It does leave those really nice
grain.

667
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:40,700
Malted barley notes on your
tongue.

668
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:43,700
It really does.
Again it kind of almost has like

669
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:45,700
a rolled oats kind of a flavor
for me.

670
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:49,500
The grain is what lingers but
it's not a drying effect.

671
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,200
It is very mouth-watering
finish.

672
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:53,700
It's not very heavy on the
Alcohol again because it's only

673
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:56,500
80 proof.
So it's Pleasant you know if you

674
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:58,700
want something that's going to
really Linger on your tongue for

675
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:01,300
a Or on your palate.
This is not the finished for

676
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:04,700
you, but I really like it.
I think that it really goes with

677
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:08,700
this sort of bright fruity.
Sweet theme that it's crafted so

678
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:13,000
far and you know, I'd probably
be more likely to give it a six

679
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,400
and a half.
If I wasn't so impressed by the

680
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,200
overall experience.
But I think I'll give it a seven

681
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,700
on the Finish Bob.
I think we might come out with

682
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,700
the same scores on this one.
The the Kentucky hug on this is

683
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:28,800
a little more pronounced than I
thought it would be for an

684
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:34,000
Proof, but it's not a bad thing.
I think the flavors meld, well,

685
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:39,100
as they finish, it's a solid
enjoyable finish.

686
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:41,500
I'm going to give it a 7 out of
10, you know, I don't know if we

687
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:43,700
can call it a Kentucky hug.
When we're drinking Irish

688
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:47,500
whiskey, we might have to call
it like, the, the Killarney hug

689
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:50,200
or something.
All right, so that brings us to

690
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,900
overall balance.
This is knows taste and finish

691
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:54,600
all put together.
I think this is an

692
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,800
extraordinarily.
Well, balanced whiskey.

693
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,800
I think it is more well-balanced
in the bow.

694
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,600
Art's was it's unapologetically
fruity and sweet and it is that

695
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,500
all the way through and what
grainy notes are left on.

696
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:11,400
The Finish are introduced really
subtly by way of that fruit.

697
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,500
And I think that honestly Brad
this is one of the better

698
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,400
balanced Whiskey's we've ever
had on this show.

699
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:20,600
Is it a perfect whiskey?
No I mean I'd prefer for it to

700
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,500
be a little bit higher proof but
in terms of what it what it

701
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:26,800
offers and then what it delivers
its really really well-balanced

702
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,400
I think I'm going to give it an
eight and a half on the Balance.

703
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,900
I'm just gonna say that.
I gave it an eight and a half as

704
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:35,000
wow.
Wow.

705
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,300
All right, cool.
And that brings us to overall

706
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:39,300
value.
Now, if you saw the packaging on

707
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:42,000
this, you might be tempted to
think that it was actually a

708
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,300
higher shelf, product selling
for more than it actually is.

709
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:48,700
I really love the price point on
this, Brad in the state of Ohio,

710
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:50,900
a fifth of this will cost you
thirty four ninety nine.

711
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,800
So this is right in the same
range as like a Jameson.

712
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,800
I think this is phenomenally
priced and you know, for me

713
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,400
Reminds me in the scotch World,
kind of a monkey shoulder.

714
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,800
I think this is a really good
thing that you could have side

715
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,900
by side with a monkey shoulder.
And I think it just delivers and

716
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:11,500
I can't think of an Irish
whiskey that I would be

717
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:14,300
recommending above this at this
price point.

718
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,000
I don't know if I'm gonna go a
full 10 Brad but I am going to

719
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,600
go with a nine and a half on
overall value.

720
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:24,000
Wow, Bob this will be the first
place that we diverge but not by

721
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,500
much I think $34 is right in the
Wheelhouse of where This whiskey

722
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:32,300
should be.
I'm gonna give it a 9 out of 10.

723
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:34,600
I think that this is probably
one of the best.

724
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,400
If you had told me that this was
like 30 or 31, I think it would

725
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,200
be a 10 out of 10. 34 35 is just
right in that range where I'm

726
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,000
like oh that's II.
Got to be committed if I'm going

727
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,800
to buy this but he had this is a
spectacular value.

728
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,100
It's an extremely tasty whiskey,
the longer it sits, I almost

729
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:56,200
feel like I'm getting a little
bit of a cinnamon note, that's

730
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,600
just like lingering on my
palette that I'm really

731
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,000
enjoying.
Yeah, it's an impressive

732
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,700
whiskey.
It's well-balanced, it's

733
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:05,700
complex.
This is a great whiskey.

734
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:09,400
And if you have an extra, you
know, with tax like 35, to 38

735
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,200
dollars to spend, please,
please, please go check out the

736
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,200
sexton, Irish whiskey.
So, that is bringing us to a

737
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,500
seventy eight point five out of
a hundred or a 39 Point 25 out

738
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:24,500
of 50 Brad, this is right all
you know almost to Breaking that

739
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,500
40 mark which is so hard to hit
on our podcast.

740
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:30,400
I I mean I Don't have anything
else to say, except for the fact

741
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,200
that I highly recommend this
whiskey, this is a spectacular

742
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,900
whiskey, it as a lot going on
for it, please go check it out.

743
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:40,500
I highly recommend.
All right, Bridal, what do you

744
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:42,400
say?
We carry this positivity back

745
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,000
into talking about The Departed.
Go from the Irish whiskey, to

746
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,500
the Irish mafia.
I'm sensing a theme here.

747
00:40:49,500 --> 00:41:37,200
Let's get to it.
Alright, so that was the sexton.

748
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,500
Single malt.
Irish whiskey.

749
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:42,300
A whiskey that we both heartily
recommend and we are getting

750
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:44,300
back into talking about The
Departed.

751
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:46,600
Now, before we went to the
break, I mentioned that, I

752
00:41:46,607 --> 00:41:48,800
wanted to say a few things about
the script for this movie.

753
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:52,400
The oscar-winning Script for
this movie brat, I'm in a weird

754
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,200
place with it, because I think
that to juggle this, many moving

755
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,300
pieces and to kind of make them
crisscross and to resolve, most

756
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:03,700
of the loose threads, that are
hanging, at the end of the movie

757
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,600
is impressive in itself.
Elf.

758
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:08,300
And I think that some of the
scenes in some of the lines of

759
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:10,800
dialogue are just brilliantly
written.

760
00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:13,600
There's a really early scene.
That's not even that important

761
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,000
to the plot of the movie, where
Matt Damon is talking with Alec

762
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,400
Baldwin about, basically,
pinning, something on a guy and

763
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,000
Alec Baldwin says like, yeah,
but who benefits cui Bono and

764
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,200
Matt Damon's, like, who cares?
This is all wrapped up and Alec

765
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,000
Baldwin just as like I think you
are a cop, my son and makes the

766
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,900
the sign of the cross.
Like he's blessing him.

767
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,900
Is really sharp witty dialogue
that I really really like in

768
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:41,100
this movie.
But then there's these big

769
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:44,500
glaring things that I think are
like structurally, very weird

770
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:47,100
about the movie.
And, you know, we already talked

771
00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:49,400
about Vera Farmiga is entire
character.

772
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:54,400
Being just almost too difficult
to even believe in the world of

773
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,300
the movie.
So Brad, I kind of want to get

774
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:59,700
your take, like from a
storytelling point of view, did

775
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:01,800
you have any issues with this
movie?

776
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,500
You know, as far as the script
goes, well, I think that the The

777
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:11,600
main, you know, the core Crux of
the script is the trajectory of

778
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,700
Matt Damon versus Leonardo
DiCaprio, right?

779
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:19,000
And so that is believable.
It's easy to see like, oh yeah,

780
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,500
this kid from Southie that grew
up with a Criminal family is

781
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:28,000
trying to write his career and
he gets sucked into you know

782
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,900
this this undercover informant
type of thing.

783
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:34,500
Like it just makes sense and the
other part of the movie Matt

784
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:37,000
Damon's character Also makes
complete sense.

785
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,200
So like that is a believable
part of the movie but what's

786
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,500
unbelievable are just certain
parts of how they interact and

787
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:48,800
how they get around and and and
you kind of suspend that

788
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,400
disbelief because you're like
these are the two main

789
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,200
characters.
But when it comes to Vera

790
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:57,300
Farmiga you're kind of like okay
yeah like sure sure sure of

791
00:43:57,300 --> 00:44:00,600
course you know she's all these
things and can be having sex

792
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,800
with both of them and you know
that that's fine.

793
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:05,100
Just suspend your disbelief.
Well I think that's the thing is

794
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:08,500
like there's these weird like
really nuanced moments and

795
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:11,400
really clever things that they
kind of cook up for themselves.

796
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,800
And, you know, I'm even thinking
right now of that first scene

797
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,000
with Nicholson and DiCaprio,
where they're like sitting at

798
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,400
the bar next to each other and
DiCaprio's kind of playing dumb.

799
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,700
And it kind of reminded me of
like when in the movie Django

800
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:25,600
Unchained when Django had to
basically play a different

801
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,300
character halfway through the
movie.

802
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:29,800
It was really clever and it was
well played.

803
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,500
But then you have moments like,
you know, the entire subplot

804
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:38,600
about Matt Damon being impotent
and like yeah you find out.

805
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,100
He's I don't even noticed this,
but this is also like a Scorsese

806
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:43,800
thing, not just the script, the
scene where you find out.

807
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,900
Matt Damon is impotent Vera
Farmiga, walks in and starts

808
00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:51,500
talking to him about how he's
impotent and they have her

809
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:55,600
eating a banana during it and
it's like, did you really make

810
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,900
an erectile dysfunction joke
with a banana?

811
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:02,400
Like it's just, it's just So
like there's moments where it's

812
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,500
so subtle and so nuanced.
And there's other moments where

813
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:08,600
it's, I rolling, Lee bad.
I didn't notice the banana.

814
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,800
That's actually, that's pretty
funny.

815
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,900
It's funny.
But it's super juvenile.

816
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:14,900
Like I just I don't know.
What do you think about it?

817
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:18,900
Tell me if I'm wrong.
Did you catch the vibe that Matt

818
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:22,000
Damon is gay in this movie?
No.

819
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,500
No I just thought that it was an
impotence thing because I like I

820
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:27,800
don't know.
I I kind of caught the vibe.

821
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,800
I don't know.
Scorsese was trying to put this

822
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,000
forward.
Word, but that he might have

823
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,300
had, you know, some homosexual
desires the and that's why he

824
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:38,800
was impotent.
And that's why, when he's in the

825
00:45:38,808 --> 00:45:42,600
police academy, he like,
vehemently is like, you know,

826
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,400
using homophobic slurs.
And so, interestingly angry

827
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,900
about it.
But I don't know, I'd be curious

828
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:53,900
to hear what filmin whiskey
Nation thinks because I, I had a

829
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:55,400
feeling that they were trying to
portray that.

830
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,200
At the very least, he might have
been like bicurious or something

831
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,100
like that and struggling.
With that, you know, as a cop in

832
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:04,700
Boston.
See the only reason that I would

833
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:08,600
say, I don't think that is
because of the whole kind of I

834
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,200
don't call it a subplot but
there's a running theme of like

835
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:15,100
do you have a girlfriend and
it's not so much like do you

836
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:17,300
have a girlfriend?
You know, Jack Nicholson's

837
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:19,400
character.
Basically asks the same thing of

838
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,400
DiCaprio and says, like, you
know, if you don't have a

839
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,900
girlfriend answers, a lot of
questions.

840
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:28,100
Like, however, I think it's one
of those things where the script

841
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:30,500
is actually really nuanced
because people keep asking Like

842
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:32,900
why don't you have a girlfriend?
Do you have a girlfriend?

843
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,500
Because the girlfriend lens the
person a sense of legitimacy,

844
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,000
right?
That's what Nicholson's getting

845
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,400
at is like, it's this sign that
you have your stuff together

846
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,400
that you can be, you know, tied
down to somebody people, trust

847
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,400
you more and yet at the end of
the day, the person with the

848
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,500
girlfriend is Matt Damon who is
fundamentally untrustworthy and

849
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:54,500
the person without a girlfriend
is DiCaprio who's actually the

850
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:56,500
good guy.
And when you look at Matt

851
00:46:56,500 --> 00:47:01,300
Damon's relationship, it's an
empty one because again, Like in

852
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:05,100
the in the world of the movie
procreation is like the end

853
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:06,800
goal.
He can't do it.

854
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,900
And yet Leonardo DiCaprio can
like impregnate her.

855
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:13,100
So I think that like I am not
discounting the fact that like

856
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:15,500
the character may have actually
had those impulses Brad.

857
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:19,200
But I think, in the course of
the movie, The impotence portion

858
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,700
of that is actually, the more
important piece if that makes

859
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:24,200
sense.
Yeah, no, it totally does.

860
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,200
It was just something that I
don't know.

861
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,100
When when Alec Baldwin is
talking about like, oh well, you

862
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:33,200
know, Know, if you have a woman,
then then that's what matters

863
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,300
and it shows you have stability
and blah, blah blah, and and he

864
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:41,500
kind of goes on in the way, Matt
Damon reacts to it and the way

865
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:45,300
he reacts to the idea of him
getting her pregnant was almost

866
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:49,200
like a little kid, like oh I
actually did it like I didn't

867
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,200
think of right, right.
So which once again that could

868
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,100
have easily Gone Gone on just
with the impotence side of

869
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:58,600
things, it was just I don't
know, maybe it's just a good

870
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,400
Nuance of the film that Is that
making you ask questions about

871
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:05,000
you know about the main
character?

872
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,500
Yeah, well, and before we get
out of here for the day Brad, I

873
00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:10,700
do want to touch on scorsese's,
kind of technical Brilliance

874
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:14,400
with this movie, you know, he,
he is such a master of Cinema

875
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,000
and he's such an encyclopedia of
movies that if you're looking

876
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,600
for them, you can see references
to so many other movies with in

877
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,800
this film, but one of the things
Scorsese is known for is his

878
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,200
collaboration with the editor
Thelma Schoonmaker.

879
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,800
And we've talked about her a
little bit in Goodfellas and

880
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:33,200
With The Aviator.
But with this movie, it almost

881
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,000
feels like Scorsese was like,
hey, let's take the third Act of

882
00:48:37,008 --> 00:48:40,100
Goodfellas where everyone's high
on cocaine and let's stretch

883
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:42,600
that out to a whole movie in
terms of the pacing of the

884
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,700
editing there is just, I mean,
it's crazy.

885
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:49,400
There, there is no regard for
continuity between shots like

886
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,300
somebody's arm.
Could be all the way up in the

887
00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:54,200
air and the next shot, it's down
at their side, there's their

888
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,900
shots where people have
cigarettes in their mouths and

889
00:48:55,908 --> 00:48:57,700
are looking right at the camera.
And then in the next shot,

890
00:48:57,700 --> 00:49:01,400
there's no cigarette anymore.
And it's Done in such a way that

891
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,900
it is.
So clearly intentional that you

892
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:06,700
kind of have no choice but to
just be along for the ride.

893
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:09,700
It's a really kind of, ballsy
way of making a movie, and I

894
00:49:09,707 --> 00:49:14,200
love that they lean so far into
that and Scorsese does so much

895
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,500
with the camera as well to
compliment at the cameras.

896
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:20,300
Constantly likes like moving
super fast swooshing back and

897
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:22,100
forth.
There's this really great

898
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:25,500
sequence, we're right at the
beginning where DiCaprio's

899
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:29,400
interviewing with Martin Sheen's
character and they cut back in

900
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,000
time to show.
Show like what DiCaprio has been

901
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,500
dealing with in his life and
that past sequence is intercut

902
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:38,700
with a sequence with Matt Damon
in the present.

903
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:40,800
So they're like, jumping all
over in time.

904
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,300
And every time they returned to
the office where DiCaprio's

905
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:47,000
interviewing they have different
camera setups from different

906
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,800
angles.
It almost reminded me of, like,

907
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,400
in 12 Angry Men, how he said,
they never use the same angle

908
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,000
twice.
It was a lot.

909
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,400
It was a lot like that.
And it was really, really

910
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,000
interesting from a technical
point of view.

911
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:02,800
Yeah, I think that, if anything
Being that this is probably one

912
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,900
of the most accessible Scorsese
films that he has ever done for

913
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:09,700
sure.
Because like, when I think back

914
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:14,600
on Goodfellas, I think about it
space and how slowly it moves.

915
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,100
And if I remember correctly,
both movies are around two and a

916
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:19,800
half to two hours and 40
minutes.

917
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:20,900
Am I right?
I think so.

918
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:27,500
Yeah, and yet, when I watch The
Departed, I feel nothing of the

919
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:29,900
boredom that I felt during
Goodfellas.

920
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:33,400
And I think that like you said
with the cinematography with the

921
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,700
pacing of the script with the
pacing of moving back and forth

922
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:41,100
between two main characters
rather than just following one.

923
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:45,600
Throughout the whole movie.
I I think that this movie is the

924
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,900
perfect blend of like something
that is going to appeal to the

925
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:52,900
general population.
And yet something that is also

926
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:58,500
artistic and deep and beautiful.
I really, really admire Scorsese

927
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:00,100
in this film.
I think he dropped.

928
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:03,500
Us together all of the elements
that he needs to.

929
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:07,500
And and I think there's a reason
this is his best director.

930
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:11,500
You know, when I really think
that this is the better movie

931
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:13,700
over Goodfellas.
Well Brad, I think that's a

932
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:18,100
really great segue into our
final scores and this is my big

933
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:20,300
struggle with the movie.
You know, I said that it doesn't

934
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:22,500
really hold up as well on
re-watch and I think that's,

935
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:25,400
that's mostly true.
But there's one other thing that

936
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,500
goes with it and it's that I
can't quite shake.

937
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:32,900
This idea that this Movie is
designed to be an entertaining

938
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:36,800
movie and nothing more and now
there's nothing wrong with that.

939
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,100
I think there's a there's
there's whole genres of movies

940
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:41,800
where we just go to be
entertained and nothing more,

941
00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:45,900
and like that happened with me a
year ago, and I went to see

942
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:49,300
Mission Impossible, Fallout that
movies, freaking phenomenal, and

943
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:51,800
there's nothing more to it.
Other than just, it's an

944
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,400
entertaining way to spend your
time and watch Tom, Cruise, do

945
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,500
stuff.
And this, this movie to me, is

946
00:51:57,500 --> 00:52:00,900
like scorsese's Mission
Impossible movie, because You

947
00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:03,000
know, we keep making the
comparison to Goodfellas, but

948
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,800
for me the reason Goodfellas is
so much better than this movie.

949
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:08,200
Is that?
At the end of the day it's it's

950
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,400
commenting on something more.
It does it in a really

951
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,000
entertaining way, but it's
commenting on the fact that

952
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,000
like, this is what you get when
you idealize violence, this is

953
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,900
what you get when you idealize
the Mob Life.

954
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:22,900
This movie doesn't really have
that.

955
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:25,600
It's not really reaching for
anything more and I think

956
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,600
because of that and because it
just relies solely on its

957
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,900
ability to entertain you.
That when you watch it a second

958
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:35,300
time and you know what's coming?
Even though it's still super

959
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:38,400
entertaining, it doesn't
entertain you quite as much.

960
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,200
And when the entertainment value
wears off a little bit, there's

961
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,800
nothing deeper to kind of dig
into and dwell on.

962
00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:47,500
And so for me Brad, this is
still a great movie.

963
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:51,100
I just wouldn't put it in League
with some of scorsese's actual

964
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:53,600
masterpieces.
And in fact, I don't think this

965
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,800
is as good as The Aviator we
gave that movie a nine and a

966
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,000
half.
I'm going to give this movie an

967
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,800
eight and a half out of ten.
Super watchable really great.

968
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,100
Film enjoyable all around, but
there's just, there's just

969
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:09,100
nothing more to it than that,
if, that makes sense.

970
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,300
It kind of does, I probably
wouldn't call it a mission

971
00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:17,700
impossible of scorsese's films.
What I would say more than

972
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:22,600
anything this film, really felt
like scorsese's version of a

973
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,400
film Noir.
Like, when I think about Double

974
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,000
Indemnity and I think about the
way that movie ended and kind of

975
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,800
the moral of the story, That is
kind of how I feel about this

976
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,500
movie.
You don't feel great about the

977
00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:38,100
characters at the end.
You get in a weird sense.

978
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:40,300
You kind of get a nice clean
wrap up.

979
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:41,600
You know?
Yep, everybody died.

980
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:47,700
And we're moving on, but in the
end like you don't get to see a

981
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:51,500
police funeral for Matt Damon.
You see it for Leonardo

982
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:53,500
DiCaprio?
Sure, you know, you hear the

983
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:57,100
21-gun salute.
And so I think with that, like,

984
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:01,200
you know, as cheesy as the rat
at the end is the only Imagery

985
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,800
that we get associated with
Damon's death is a rat.

986
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,300
Whereas with Leo you get this
nice nice police funeral and so

987
00:54:09,308 --> 00:54:12,700
I guess in my mind I think that
there is a moral of the story

988
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:17,300
that I think there is a sense
that Leo is Justified in the end

989
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:20,700
and Damon is just left as a
piece of garbage on the floor.

990
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,000
And so I, for me, I will agree
with you.

991
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,200
I think the message in
Goodfellas is much more obvious,

992
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,400
you know, especially with the
narration and that style.

993
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:33,400
I'll it makes it much more
obvious, but this movie is just

994
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,700
more accessible.
It's more fun than Goodfellas.

995
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:41,700
It's, I like the two character
Arc versus the one character

996
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:44,100
Arc.
I think it's really interesting

997
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,100
for me.
This is a nine and a half out of

998
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:48,800
ten.
Well, it's not a perfect movie,

999
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,500
but I really, really love it a
lot and for me watching it a

1000
00:54:53,508 --> 00:54:57,900
second time, I didn't have any
issues with knowing the ending

1001
00:54:57,900 --> 00:55:00,300
and it didn't cause me to
struggle at all, with the action

1002
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:03,900
is, I really loved re-watching.
It, it allowed me to kind of

1003
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:07,000
revisit the characters and see
it from a different nuance and

1004
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,800
angle.
I like this movie a lot Bob it.

1005
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,700
It's one of one of my favorites
from this season so far.

1006
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:14,500
Well, those are our scores for
the Departed.

1007
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:17,300
We are coming out to an average
of a 9 out of 10, but we want to

1008
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:19,800
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1009
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1013
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1015
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1016
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1017
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1018
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1019
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1020
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