Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens / Jim Beam Double Oak Bourbon Whiskey

0:00 In 2015, director JJ Abrams gave the world a long-awaited continuation set in our favorite far, far away Galaxy. In 2024, we kick off five straight weeks of a bargain brand. The film is Star Wars episode 7 The Force Awakens. The whiskey is Jim Beam double oaked bourbon. And we'll review them both. This is. The Film and Whiskey podcast Welcome to the Film and Whiskey podcast, where each week we review a classic movie and a glass of whiskey.

0:54 I'm Bob Book. I'm Brad G and Brad. We are smack dab in, well, I guess not the middle in the beginning of a run of Star Wars movies here. I said a few weeks ago that I said a few weeks ago that we're about to close out a five week run of Disney movies. And it's true because Disney owns everything now and we're starting with three weeks of Star Wars and ending with two weeks of Marvel. And I just keep wondering, what have we done to deserve this? Yeah, when, when will it all end? Robert, what we did to deserve this was allow you to pick the theme for this season. I ran it by you. You said, hey, that sounds great. In true Brad G fashion, having done no research, and now you have brought this upon yourself too. So there you go.

1:40 Yeah. I my trust in you has been misplaced for almost what, 15 years now? Yeah, yeah, it has, man. My trust in myself has been misplaced even longer. So that's what landed us here, folks, if you're new to film and whiskey, hello, welcome in. What we do on this show is review movies and review whiskeys. So you've you've come to the right place if you're looking for either of those things this season. What we're talking about is the highest grossing film of each year from 1988 to 2019. Brad, we are nearing the end of this season. And I think that in the first few weeks of this season, it was like, OK, 80s, early 90s, I get this, I get this.

2:21 Mid 90s blockbusters. Sure, sure. Then all of a sudden I blink and we're in 2015 and it feels like we are worlds apart from the Hollywood of Rain Man and Sister Act. Dude it is wild to think that Hollywood made those movies in the 80s and 90s and here we are in the in the teens of the 2000s just with a a splurge of these IP driven no thought put into them the the peak of cinema if you will. I have never so much appreciated the film American Sniper as I do now, though, Brad, because it already broke up what was beginning to become a monotonous descent into Disney. But it really does seem like it was the last time that a real original American film made any sort of a dent at the box office.

3:16 And I'm really grateful for that. Now again, we we're going to look at two of the three Disney sequels that Disney made in the Star Wars Canon. And we're also looking at the one off kind of offshoot film Rogue One next week. So, you know, with Rogue One, I have slightly different feelings than I do for this trilogy overall, because Rogue One stands on its own. But I also, Brad, if I'm going to start talking about the movie here a little bit, I really truly don't like the sequels except for one of them. And it's the one that you probably like the least. But I feel like any anything regarding the sequels, everyone's negative feelings about all three movies get directed in full force to whichever movie is being discussed at that moment.

4:03 And I will say, I don't think this is a great movie. I also don't think this is like a terrible movie. It's kind of whatever you want it to be. If you if you want it to mark the descent into the worst possible Star Wars IP slop, sure it is. If you want to consider it a return to form and a harkening back to the days of yore, sure. It's that. I kind of feel like it's somewhere in between those two things. And because it is so meh, that makes it really not that much fun to talk about. And so people kind of gravitate towards one end of the spectrum or the other in a way that may or may not actually be fair to the movie. Yeah, I mean, I think that's fair. I think that in general, I'm always somebody who desires for the pendulum to swing a smaller amount to be closer to the middle.

4:58 But I I will agree with you. I think Force Awakens doesn't try hard enough to be anything distinct. And so it ultimately just becomes this kind of sloppy cut rate work in a universe that just kind of deserves more. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so they handed over the reins to this trilogy to JJ Abrams. And I think the plan initially was that they were going to find three up and coming directors to both write and direct their own Star Wars movie. So it was JJ Abrams and Ryan Johnson. And then the third film was planned to be directed and written by Colin Trevorrow, who had made a really cool little indie movie, got handed the big boy reigns, and then he made what was it?

5:45 It's one of the Jurassic Parks. No, I don't know. He made something that people freaked out about, and it kind of ruined his career because the film was so bad. And then they yanked that away from him. And at the same time they yanked that away from him. Audiences had started reacting really negatively to what Ryan Johnson had done in the second film. And so they called back up JJ Abrams and said, hey, people, People were happy back then when you were running things, but save, save our ship, please, JJ Abrams. And what JJ Abrams did instead was give us The Rise of Skywalker, which has since tainted everyone's reputation of any good thoughts they had towards JJ Abrams. And like I said, people have read retroactively pour things back onto this film. Now, I do think there are a lot of JJ Abrams tendencies at play in this movie that are very obviously there. I think JJ Abrams is kind of the king of kicking the can down the road narratively.

6:42 And we'll talk about all that, Brad, but I just kind of want to get your initial impressions. We were talking about the sequels. We're talking about JJ. What comes to mind as you sit on the therapist's couch of airing Star Wars grievances here? Oh man, is this my opportunity. Do I? Do I get to start just lambasting Disney for what they've done? Oh man, to a beloved franchise. I could already tell. I could. I can sense the energy that you've been building to just dump on this, this sequel trilogy. I was supposed to drive for about 8 hours today and it ended up being about 10 with accidents and traffic and wildness. So yeah, I'm, I'm ready, man.

7:26 What were you going to say though? Oh, go ahead. Here's here's the deal, Bob. At the end of the day, I walked out of this movie and I was so pumped that I had watched another Star Wars movie. And then I went and saw it again with some friends, 'cause I was, I saw it initially. It was actually a good time. We went to see it in Boston the night before I moved back home because my wife and I lived in Boston for three months and hated it. We go to see it in this little indie theater and AI have never been in a movie theater where they tuned the audio up higher. I mean, it was so freaking loud that I didn't know what anybody's names in the movie were unless they were from the previous movies.

8:14 Like, I had no idea that Poe's name was Poe. I had noted it, the idea that Rey's name was Rey. It was. It was really rough how loud it was. And secondly, we had a tooth sitting behind us drinking something out of a Mason jar that just smelled like moonshine. And he was very loud and obnoxious. Can I, can I clue you into what that was, Brad? What was it, Bob It? Was moonshine Yeah, historically sipped out of jars. So the first viewing wasn't great and yet I still walked out like pumped about the movie. I think I I called my friend Mike and we talked about it being like an 8 or a nine out of 10.

8:57 And then I saw it again with friends. And then we went and saw it at the Great Lakes Science Center in IMAX. And that was a terrible experience because you were like laying on your back the whole time. And then I went and saw it again and then I went and saw it again. So I'm really not kidding about, but I've seen this movie like five times in theaters. Wow. Which which is a lot. By the time I got to the end of seeing it five times in theaters, I was much less impressed. But I still held on my my precious little 25 year old heart was still holding on to the idea that, you know, this was a decent movie. And as long as they take it somewhere with the next two, I think we'll look back on this pretty fondly.

9:42 And that's kind of my thesis statement for today, Brad, not even thesis statement. It's my my hypothesis that I want to test. It's the question that I need an answer to. Is JJ Abrams relying solely on somebody else to bail out the fact that he does not really have the balls to make big narrative choices? And. Or is he setting up a perfect first chapter, knowing that sequels typically deepen whatever happened in the first one? And I can't decide which that is when it comes to this movie, Brad. And so with that sort of Ryan Seacrest throwing to commercial cliffhanger, I think it's time for us to throw over to our first segment of the day, which we call Brad explains. Brad's going to give us the movie plots with only 60 seconds ticking on the clock, so let's go ahead and hear your take with this little segment that we call, Brad explains. Brad Explains is the part of the podcast where Brad breaks down the plot of the movie that he has just seen for the 6th time, At least the 6th this time.

10:50 Have you watched this on home video at all Brad or what? Did you just cut yourself off at 5 theatrical viewings? I don't think I've ever watched it since I saw in theaters. Like I I watched The Last Jedi once afterwards just to like, confirm how terrible it was. And let me tell you what, Bob, I did not need to watch Rise of Skywalker again to know how terrible it was. So yeah, this one I actually weirdly have not seen since I saw it in theaters. All right. So Brad, even though it's been almost a decade since you've seen this movie, you should have the general outline pretty much memorized at this point.

11:32 You have one minute to break down the plot of this movie. Now folks, we are going to get into massive, massive spoilers. And this film does have at least one massive spoiler in it. So if you are even remotely interested in seeing this film and you haven't yet hit pause here, come back and rejoin us after you watch the movie. But Brad, it's time for you to spoil away my good friend one minute and go. Star Wars Episode 7 The Force Awakens is A New Hope. Go watch that. Oh wait, instead of Ben Kenobi dying, Han Solo dies and Luke doesn't say any lines. There you go. Are.

12:12 You really going to stop there sometimes. I don't know if you like, if you're going to stick by your snarkiness or if you're going to like reframe that. Afterwards, have you ever heard of this thing called the bit? Because I am committed to it. Listen man, you have been stepping on my bits. That sounds terrible. You you really Well, that too. You have been undermining every bit I've tried to do on this podcast for eight seasons now. I don't feel one bit bad. They they call me the Underminer baby. All right, dude, let's dive into talking about the movie in earnest. And I don't think we can do that without trying to answer the JJ Abrams question, because his fingerprints are all over this now. Abrams made his bones in TV.

13:00 He was very famous for, I think believe he started with Felicity, but then he moved to Alias, which was really the one that, like, cracked everything open for him. People loved that show. He then he develops Lost, and Lost is where you really get down to the idea of what JJ Abrams calls the mystery box approach to writing, which is essentially a really fancy way of him describing never giving the audience any answers. That if you continually keep things in the mystery box, they will keep coming back and repeatedly watching your show hoping to figure out what happens in the mystery box. And then you get to the end of the show and in the mystery box is actually just the story box where all of your friends terrible stories went to die.

13:44 And here we are, JJ. Thanks a lot. Inside the mystery box is the revelation that they were dead the whole time. Who? Who would have thought it? So who would have thunk it? There are some ardent Lost defenders out there. I remember watching the first two seasons of Lost when it was on TV, like in real time. We watched it every week and by the end of season 2 we were like, what the hell is going on? I don't understand what's going on. And not even in like a this is weird, but I'm intrigued. X-Files kind of way. Just like you're not answering any questions and now there's polar bears. What what the hell? And what's this bunker and who are the others? And I don't know. Did you watch Lost Bread? Dude, the first two seasons of Lost were some of the most fun television.

14:31 So good. I like, I think I've ever watched live. I think we lost interest somewhere halfway through season three. Yeah, that. Sounds about right for me too. But man, oh man, those first two seasons, heck of a good time. So that's JJ Abrams. Then they start giving him movies, and I want to say he had a hand in developing the Cloverfield films. Maybe he was a producer on those. And then he finally kind of jumps in the ring with Mission Impossible 3 and with this film called Super 8, which is an alien invasion movie where he starts drawing comparisons to Steven Spielberg. And it's really obvious that he is just ripping straight from ET and close Encounters. But Brad, I am like the world's biggest Spielberg fan. I have never seen him as a Spielberg in terms of how he makes movies, whether it's how he moves the camera, whether it's his ability to actually like dive into human emotion. He just kind of always seemed like an imposter to me, if I'm being honest, especially when you start comparing someone to Spielberg, like my, my ears perk up. But then I'm kind of, I'm really on the defensive about that. And I think that all of that comes to a head when you get here with The Force Awakens.

15:49 And I think all his bad tendencies come out here. I'm really just curious, man. Like, what are the JJ isms that you see in this film? And do they work or do they not work for you? I think that the two JJ isms that I kind of see here is that it seems like JJ writes movies from the origin of like things he thinks look cool, but like cool shots. And I'm not going to lie, man, he nails some killer shots, like even in the Rise of Skywalker, like the shot of the Death Star crashed on the moon and like the waves crashing on it. And I he has some killer one off really beautiful, interesting shots there.

16:38 There's a lot that he can do there and he likes silly Marvel jokes And then everything else just kind of feels like filler. So I don't know. Is is that is that JJ Isms? I don't really know. It's really hard to pin down what JJ Abrams is as a director because all of his movies are so tonally different from each other. I mean, look at Mission Impossible, 3A film that you and I are ardent defenders of versus this movie. And it's stylistically, tonally just completely different. Man, I, I really don't know. I know that JJ is a writer by trade, but I do think that he has the chops at least a little bit from a director standpoint. And what I really noticed this time around, and I've also watched next week's movie, Rogue One. So forgive the comparison here, Brad, but like, I think Rogue One is a movie where I've always felt like it had such a massive scale because they do such a great job of showing. Like you can see the the outline of the Death Star in like the planet's atmosphere and everything seems like it's just you're fighting on this big cosmic scale in every shot. But I have to say this movie also has a really good sense of scale, especially when it comes to working on movie sets. Like there's a lot of times in this movie where you can tell like we're on a set.

17:59 But then when you think about how massive some of these sound stages must have been, I'm thinking in particular, there's a scene. It's like the first raid on Maz Kannada's joint when everything gets blown up and then Ray gets captured and you get this incredible tracking shot of Finn running across all of the wreckage of the whole set, like chasing her and going like Ray. That's all real stuff. There's like stuff around him exploding and smoking and on fire and it's like, wow, remember when we had real stuff on a set for an actor to interact with? Oh yeah, I I am avidly a fan of real stuff on set.

18:42 I, I think it makes movies so much better. And I, I'm with you. I, I think that there are certain things that JJ is good at. His movies move nicely. Like, like there. It's not the kind of camera work that you get from a Spielberg, but I, I do love the sense of movement and he uses his camera, his unique camera shots well and he and he doesn't use them all the time. Like you don't really get a ton of Dutch angles, but every once in a while you get a straight over the top angle, you know, like, like Finn running and, and so you get some interesting camera movement.

19:22 And I, I like the way he films X wings and the way that they move in the space above Maz Kanata's place. Like, like there's some cool moments like that, but there's other problems that we'll get to later. I mean, why don't why don't we just get to it now? Like where do you want to start with the movie? We've kind of talked about the JJ of it all and I wanted to talk about that first because I think that that kind of casts AI don't know, not like a pallor over everything, but like everything in this movie feels very rooted in the fact that it's AJJ Abrams movie, for better or for worse, whether it's the acting, whether it's the special effects, the beats of the story, the lack of beats of the story, it's all goes back to him. And so with that as our kind of like. Root system of this Star Wars tree? Like where?

20:10 Where do you want to go first in talking about the movie Brad? Oh, the humor. Here's here's the deal. Man, I remember the first time I saw this. Up until this current viewing, the opening 5 minutes of this movie are stellar. Like I I love Kylo Ren's introduction. I love the way he uses the Force to like catch a blaster bolt midair and hold it there. Like that's cool. It's a, it's a addition to how we know the Force to work in the other movies that doesn't feel forced or wild. It's like, wow, this is a new dark Sith that has found out a new way to manipulate the Force.

20:56 And he's got a cool mask and, and his voice sounds weird and cool and menacing. And I'm in on all of it, even the kind of chintzy dialogue, the Mcguffin dialogue between Poe and the random guy on the planet. Like not great dialogue, but this is Star Wars. I'm OK with not great dialogue. And then Poe looks at him and goes, are you going to talk first? Am I going to talk first too? Wait, who's talking first? Are we Are we waiting here? And I literally want to like rip my ear canals out that I had to listen to that in a Star Wars film. And then the entire character of Finn is based around that. And the few tiny moments where you get to chew on something with John Boyega and and he actually gets to show like, hey, I'm really struggling with what I'm doing here. I don't know who I am.

21:51 I'm trying to figure out an identity. He has a few little moments like that that you would hope be would be AJJ Abrams specialty. And then they're immediately undermined by this childish humor that just doesn't fit in the Star Wars universe. Man, I really hate to start with the cast with this person, but I want to start with Oscar Isaac because he is a guy that he kind of burst onto the scene and got really, really big in critics circles back in like 2013 because he made a movie with the Coen brothers called Inside Llewyn Davis. It was he was the star of the movie. It was I I mean, I'm not a huge fan of the movie. His performance is unreal in that movie and a lot of people thought he was gonna get nominated for that movie. He doesn't, but it kind of kick starts this trajectory that he's on.

22:41 He he makes some movies with a 24 Ex Machina is one that people really liked. He makes a movie called A most violent Year where he plays a gang like a gangster kingpin and he has this like menace and and weight and heft to his performance. That is like this guy's gonna be a movie star. And then you hear he's about to be the new like Han Solo character basically in Star Wars. Like he's the guy that's bringing the charisma. And then you see what they do with his character and it's like, hey, this character has no development, no back story, no weight. But also like, I really think Oscar Isaac is just miscast in this movie. He he like, he doesn't have, he doesn't have that like, particular sense of like, easygoing humor. And so when he's doing the humor, it feels forced. It doesn't feel like even even the best Marvel actors have the ability to pull some of that humor off. That's just not really who Oscar Isaac is. And every time I watch these movies, I'm like, damn, he's such a good actor, but he feels so out of place in these movies. Yeah, I, I had literally never heard of him before this movie. And then he has a few moments of bad humor, disappears for half of the movie because they want you to think he's dead like like any other movies in the series.

24:07 And then he's not dead because magic and and he doesn't really have anything else to do other than being a cool fighter pilot. And I'm with you, man. I think that the talent is there, but JJ just does not use it well. I mean, I need to go watch Inside Llewyn Davis or any of his other movies because I I don't think I still have seen him in anything else. He's a great actor. This is just not his speed man. And I really like, I just wonder, was the script really long and they had to cut it back? Because each of the characters in this movie feels like to, to certain extents, their characters got trimmed down. And I think that in the case of Kylo Ren and Rey and Finn, their character arcs are still a little bit more intact. But when you get down to like, the pose of the world here, it's like he's the 4th lead of the movie. How much do we really need to know about him? And so they just kind of make him weirdly supportive of the other characters, but not really doing too much. Yep, I.

25:10 Don't know, man. Before we get into Finn and Rey, let's talk a little bit about Adam Driver as Kylo Ren. Now he's another guy that was doing some smaller indie movies. He's also in Inside Llewyn Davis. His big break came on the HBO show Girls and then he lands Star Wars and it's like, oh, he's like a six foot 4 Marine. This is going to be pretty dope as as the bad guy. I know that you are not a huge fan of Kylo Ren, dude. I think Adam Driver as Kylo Ren, even in the worst film of the sequels, is maybe the best character and performance in any of the Star Wars movies. He adds layers to this like wounded, selfish, bitter manchild role that probably aren't even there on the page, but he just freaking kills it.

26:02 Man, I really love Adam Driver in these movies. I've I've come around on Adam Driver. I I think that coming out of the first time I saw it, I thought he was fine. I wasn't super impressed coming out of Last Jedi. The only thing I liked about this movie, and probably still the only thing I like was the Kylo Ren, Rey kind of relationship development that like that was the one thing I walked out of that two hour and two hour and 30 minute atrocity of a film. I walked out of it going, man, if we had more Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley. I like, I'm in, I, I really enjoyed the development of their relationship.

26:47 And so I yeah. And then we just don't talk about Rise of Skywalker. So I think I'm kind of actually with you on this. I like Kylo Ren. The one thing I don't care for is that he has him take off his mask way before he sees his dad. I like narratively, I just think he's way more scary leading up until you see him with his dad and it just makes so much more narrative sense to go, oh, he's a scared little boy and you see that when his dad comes around. Like that's the moment you reveal his face, not just it feels kind of throw away that he just takes his mask off randomly. Well, I will say, like, I, I actually like the place where they have him do it because it clues the audience in even earlier that he is a scared little boy. And that he he's already facing this internal struggle. So that when he delivers that line on the bridge with Han Solo about like, I don't know if I have the strength to do this anymore.

27:53 You really are bought into the idea that maybe he's he really wants to quit this whole thing. What really sucks about him taking off his mask when he does is they they build up to it. Dude, there's multiple close up shots of Darth Vader's helmet and his own mask. And then you're like, he goes, I'm going to take my mask off now. And it cuts to like him starting to lift it off his head from behind his. It's like a over the shoulder shot. So you can see Daisy really reacting and then it cuts back to him and it's like this medium shot that looks like it wasn't even like the main shot. It was like some secondary camera in the background that was just doing coverage. And then he's like, boop, here I am. And he stands up and you're like, oh, that. That's Kylo Ren.

28:36 Like, I mean, you got to do a close up. There needs to be some sort of like dark, foreboding John Williams score there. And it just it feels like that whole reveal is such a flop now. I do think that it probably is on purpose that there is like a sense of underwhelm to it because he seems really scary. But Abrams and Abrams is trying to undercut that with the idea that, like, this lanky dude is who everybody's afraid of. So I think there's good and bad to it. But ultimately, I think it gets to the idea of like, Kylo Ren as scared manchild is really compelling narratively, but it's always going to be really underwhelming from like an iconography standpoint.

29:20 Same thing like when they took Darth Vader's mask off at the end and he was like a fat, bald old guy. Like, like, like, oh, come on, that's the guy. Because it makes a lot of sense on paper. And I think it's really compelling on paper, but it just doesn't make for cool visuals. Sure. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, there's a reason these guys are wearing a mask. It's because they're little little baby man boys underneath got all sorts of teenage problems. Do you get it? They're hiding behind a mask, Brad. Hey, dude, let's take a break, man. We we haven't really, we haven't really started crapping on this movie. We need to talk about the two leads of the film when we come back. We need to talk about the shock value of the big twist. And we'll see where we go from there. But I want to drink some whiskey. I just want to clarify by saying we haven't really started crapping on the movie yet.

30:13 Is is that a challenge? Do I need to up my crapping on? I know it's coming from you at some point, so. All right, I'm just, I'm just checking in man all. Right, let's drink some whiskey bread. Let's get to it. All right, so today we are kicking off five straight weeks with a brand that has been kind of under represented on this show. Brad, we've been holding off for a long time or I guess I've been holding off on folding in Jim Beam products to our line up because I know it's always going to be there. And it's kind of fun to be in season eight of a podcast and still be trying something as simple as Jim Beam, you know, but but I think the time has come.

30:56 We kind of missed the window for springtime of swill. We're in the back half of summer now and I don't know if any of this is swill, but I wanted to take an opportunity to try 5 whiskeys in a row from the Jim Beam company that are all widely available and very, very inexpensive. Now we could start off with regular old Jim Beam. I think it might actually be more fun to finish with that one and to try some of their other their other widely available brands here. So we're kicking off today with Jim Beam Double Oak. Now this is what they call a twice barreled, expertly aged and then matured in a second. Oak Barrel Bourbon Whiskey clocks in at exactly 86 proof.

31:39 Brad, have you ever tried double oaked Jim Beam before? Hell no. I can tell you that when I first moved home from Kentucky in 2017, we did not have a place to live for four months. We had to crash with my in laws who are famously teetotalers and I had a bottle of whiskey up in our bedroom that I just kept hidden away. And that bottle of whiskey was Jim Beam Double Oak. I don't know how I got it or how I came like came to acquire this bottle. I remember not liking it, but it was all the liquor that we had and so we relied on this guy baby. So I haven't had this in like 7 years. We'll see if my palate has developed since then, but all I remember about this is that it tasted chemically and it was real, real cheap.

32:33 Yeah. Can I, can I tell a quick, fun story about alcohol in places we weren't supposed to have it? No. Sure. So Bob and I went to seminary and in the housing that they provided for married couples, you were not supposed to have alcohol, which is a silly rule that we all made fun of and broke. My my friend Jordan had some alcohol in his house. And one of our good friends was like the one who set up all of our housing and, and we all just didn't talk to her about drinking alcohol because she didn't want to know about it. Well, their house flooded one day and in the middle of like water pouring down from the ceilings, there's like 15 people running in and out of the house getting like couches out and books and all these things.

33:22 Jordan takes me to the side. Oh, and fire alarms are going off as well. Jordan takes me to the side. He goes, Brad, I've got like 8 bottles of whiskey above my fridge. I need you to get them. And I was like, bro, I got you. Say no more. I like slowly snuck them all out in pillowcases. Can I just be honest with you? I wasn't there. But I'm telling you right now, everyone knew what you were doing. I don't. Think nobody. Nobody knew Bob. Hey, what's? That lumpy pillowcase full of. I was just as careful and stealthy with those bottles as JJ Abrams is with humor. I'll bet you were.

34:06 It was incredible. I I felt so proud to be the friend that was entrusted with hiding the booze. All right, man, let's dive into Jim Beam double oak. Now I'm going to tell you my one massive note on the nose here, but I want to see if you picked up on it first, Brad. So hit hit me with your nose signal. Just a big old honkin. Just massive note, Bob. I got salt and peanuts. Oak youth cola and apple peel. Like it's a youth, Like it's a substance, Like you're the witch in Snow White. Like just a bottle of the Sweet Smell of youth. These are the things that I got on this. So this has been sitting in my glass for about 5 minutes now and for the 1st 3:00-ish minutes you know it needs to open up and breathe a little bit, but I kept. Youth, didn't you?

35:04 Oh man, no. It was straight black licorice, like anise extract. And I was like, oh, Brad is going to hate this. It's definitely calm down a bit. I get a lot of that peanut and that's like that's the big thing people get on Jim Beam products is peanut. It's there. I get a lot of vanilla. The oak is definitely present. It's not quite as young as I expected it to be, but it is a little bit harsher than something like a Woodford Double Oak, and I think that's because like we're drinking a cheaper product here. But overall, I'm actually pretty impressed with this. There's way more complexity here than I anticipated. I'm going to give it a 7 out of 10 on the nose. Yeah, I actually like this a decent amount.

35:45 I also gave it a 7 out of 10 on the nose, and thankfully I did not get that black anis. I think as I moved into the palette here, though, Bob, this has a really nice peanutty flavor to it. It's got that beam nuttiness. There was a bit of like an apple fritter kind of Carmel Y apple Y goodness. It was very dusty and it kind of gave me just hints of like a big league chew that that dustiness had just enough fruitiness to it that I was like, oh, this is kind of a nice bubble gummy flavor. Nothing to like write home about, but I I'd say this is a pretty solid experience. I I came up from the nose to a 7.5. I'm having a weird experience and I need you to help me figure out what's going on right now.

36:36 You ever had to like gargle with salt water? Like if you have a irritated throat, or even if you've never done that, like accidentally gotten a mouthful of seawater before, then there's just something inherently that happens. Not a gag reflex thing, but like while it's in your mouth. Your mouth knows I am not supposed to have a liquid this salty like going on in here. I don't actually taste salt in this, but I'm having that sort of like guttural reaction. This whiskey shouldn't be in my mouth. Yeah, it just, it reminds me of like when I have something that's too saline heavy in my mouth. And so like my predominant note on this is like, it's really saline heavy. I don't know that I actually taste salt, but like I'm mimicking that reaction. The oak is definitely here.

37:23 I can see why I thought this tasted chemically back then because it's it's a bitter oak and it's definitely a more astringent, less quality whiskey that they are double Oaking here. And so I think the bitterness of that oak paired with what is probably youth and some really aggressive grain that I'm getting on this it, it just kind of tastes like it has the saline of a a blended malt Scotch, but they've double barrelled it. And this is not really my cup of tea, man. I'm only going to give this a 5 1/2 on the palate. Oh, man, yeah. For me, the finish is where this really falls off and the, the youth kind of comes through. It turns into this kind of bitter, soury apple flavor. The oakiness really comes through. It reminds me almost of like an apple cider vinegar. There's some bitter cherry going on. I the the finish is what really dropped off for me. I'll I'll give it a 5 out of 10 here. Actually, I think the finish is a little bit nicer for me and I just had like my third sip of this. The vanilla definitely comes out a bit. I can see where you're getting that apple. It reminds me a little bit more of like a rum on the back of the pallet, like a a barely aged rum. And so like I'm I'm getting kind of aggressively young grain here mixed with really, really sweet sugary notes. And I don't know.

38:50 Are you a rum drinker, Brad? You know, I have a few of my whiskey friends who are like really into rum lately and they give me these like medium to high end rums, think like a Woodford double Oaked level of rum and I don't really like them that much. No, I they're they're not. Great. I'm the same way with rum as I am with tequila. Because rums aren't typically aged as long as whiskeys are right? Like if you have an 18 month aged rum, it's considered like heavily aged, but it it carries those sort of youthful notes that we are trained to to know in whiskey are a sign of poor quality. So I try a really good quality rum, but it tastes to me like poor quality whiskey.

39:34 And so I can't get into rum or tequila because of that. And I think that's kind of what's going on here, man. Like this, this finish is not horrible, but it reminds me of rum and that's probably not something you want on your whiskey. I'll give it a six and then on the balance, I think this really falls off from the nose to the taste to the finish. I'll give that a six as. Well, yeah, I think balance wise, it has enough of a nose and palate that I like that I'll keep it a decent score, but I, yeah, I'm at a six out of 10 on balance. All right, that brings us to value. Now as far as I know, this is what Brad like 2025 bucks? It is $19.99. Listen, man, it is pretty remarkable to get a double Oaked product for 20 bucks.

40:19 And I think that, like, if you told me you can get a double Oaked product for 20 bucks, I would probably expect it to taste like this. Like, I don't think this is a very good whiskey. I also don't think it's overpriced, you know what I mean? Like, it's kind of cool to be able to do this at 20 bucks. Yeah, it's probably a pretty good mixer too. I don't know. I've talked myself into it, Brad. I'm going to give it a 7 out of 10 on value. Yeah, I'm in a similar place. I'm at 6.5. All right, so where are you at overall on Jim Beam Double OAT? I'm just under our normal recommendation point. I'm at a 32 out of 50. And I'm at a 31.5. So we're in pretty much the same spot on this, Brad. We're coming out to a 31.75 out of 50 or a 63.5 out of 100. I don't know, man.

41:12 Like, pretty good for what it is, yeah. Is this a recommend? I I think it is like don't go, don't buy it at the bar. But like, if you want a cheap whiskey that has a little bit of nuance and flavour to it, like yeah, it's 20 bucks man, go for it. It's pretty hard to not recommend a $20 whiskey. Yeah, yeah, there's not a lot that we've really shield away from. Now, is this even remotely in the league of your Rebel One hundreds? Absolutely not, no. No. But that is punching way above its weight class. And this is punching right at its weight class. You know what I mean? Like, if you're buying a $20 whiskey, you already know what you're getting into. And I'm here to tell you, this is that's exactly what you're getting here. There's no surprises here.

41:56 It's kind of like the The JJ Abrams Force Awakens of whiskeys. It really is, man. You're not wrong. All right. So that is the first of five reviews of Jim Beam that we're going to be doing to end out our season. I think we've started in an OK spot, Brad. If they're all like this, then we might be looking at a new budget. Favorite brand here. Yeah, 100% man. I, I'm, I think we're in a good place with the double oak. All right, dude, let's get back into talking Star Wars. What do you say? Now I'm ready, man. All right, everybody. That was Jim Beam, Double Oaked. And Bob, do you know what goes good with whiskey? What Brad?

42:39 More whiskey. Yes it does. Great answer. I I thought you might think so. You really had me stumped there for a minute. So back in the day we drank, and this might be way back in the day, maybe season 2, we drank some Penelope Rose cask finish. Now this is their bourbon that is finished in a rose cask. I, I don't remember if it said how long it's finished, but man I remember drinking it back in the day really loving it. They have just sent us another bottle of a newer version iteration of the Rose cask finish and here we are not only drinking Jim Beam Double Oat, but I'm I'm going to wash that down with a little Penelope Rose cast finish.

43:29 Yeah, I think that's a great idea, man. So we just got this in the mail a couple days ago. It's always wonderful when a brand is willing to send both Brad and myself a sample of whiskey. Because we live 100 miles apart, we record remotely. If only one of us gets a sample, then we have to wait until we see each other in person to divvy it up. It can take a long time and we want to honor Penelope for being awesome supporters of our show for a really long time. As I recall, Brad, when we when we drank through that sample pack of different Penelope expressions, the Rose cask finish was our favorite one and it's been a minute since we've had it. This is now batch eight of the Rose cask finish. I know that at one point they also made a barrel proof version of the Rose, which sounds freaking fantastic. But yeah, this is a four grain bourbon finished in rose casks. It clocks in at 94 proof, so just a little bit higher than what we were just drinking.

44:23 And Brad, I mean, just real quick, let me say this smells like, do you remember when lifesavers made those cream savers for a while? Dude, I don't know if they made one that had a grape flavor, but it's it reminds me of like if they could take really bright grape, almost champagne Y notes and then make a cream saver version of that. It is just decadently sweet on the nose man, And I'm I'm loving the flavor of it as well. Yeah, no, I not that I was a connoisseur or anything, but I believe they had an orange creamsicle and a. Like a Raspberry, I remember the. Creamsicle and they were both stunningly good, if any of you patrons out there know if they still make cream Sabres and want to send us a bag.

45:12 Oh man. I could go for some cream Sabres, Bob, Here's the deal. This rose cask finish is incredible. Like there is. So there are so many beautiful grape notes that I think are heightened by the fact that it's finished in the Rose cask. Like too often with cab finishes, it just gets really dark and heavy and kind of overtakes the whiskey element. I think that the Rose has such a nice light finish to it that it it truly does what a finishing element should do with whiskey, and it accents the whiskey more than it overwhelms it. Brad, I could not have said any of that better myself.

45:54 This is an automatic thumbs up. When we got this PR e-mail that they were doing a new batch and that they were offering samples, I was like, absolutely. It's been way too long since I've had that on my shelf. So thank you so much, Penelope. Brad, I am now full of whiskey. Let's get back into talking about this movie. And I think in order to do that, we need to get to our game for the day, which we call 2 facts and a falsehood. Brad is gonna try to stump your ball to a right and what is wrong? 2 facts and a falsehood. Two facts and a falsehood is the part of the program where Brad presents me with three items as fact about the making of this movie, one of which is a complete lie. Brad, I am currently sitting at 15 and 12 on the season. I am really hovering on the precipice of blowing this thing. Man.

46:45 I want to get that 16th win so badly, and Star Wars is not the IP to get me there, man. I'm very worried. Yeah, I, I'm actually kind of excited for this little stretch. I, I think I have a few good tricks up my sleeve and we'll just see, see where it goes. But you know, to God be the glory in all things. And, and we'll, we'll see what the team can do for us. All right man, hit me with those two facts and a falsehood. Fact #1 John Williams was for the first time on a Star Wars film, considered a Co composer, or credited I should say, as a Co composer. Conrad Pope is credited as a composer as well, although he claims that he did only quote 2% of the work.

47:31 Fact #2 John Williams received his 50th Oscar nomination for scoring this film. He's only the second person in history to receive 50 or more nominations, the first being Walt Disney with 59 nominations. Fact #3 This is the first JJ Abrams film not to be scored by Michael Giacchino as the Star Wars franchise composer John Williams returned to score the film. Coincidentally, Giacchino scored Jurassic World in 2015, a sequel to Jurassic Park and the and the Lost World, Jurassic Park, which were both scored by John Williams. Wow. OK, your boy Johnny Williams is the only redeeming thing about this movie, Bob. Yeah, sounds like it all right #1 immediately stands out to me because I don't remember hearing anything about him Co composing this.

48:25 This is really interesting. I know that number two is a fat well, I, I should say, I know that John Williams has had at least 50 nominations now. And I know that the only other person to do that is Walt Disney. Whether that means this was his 50th one, I don't know. Maybe you made that little tidbit up. The third one sounds very plausible and was very involved. And so I think that maybe you didn't make that one up because that was a lot. That was a long walk for a short drink of water, that fact was. And I I'm not known for a long walk for a short drink of water, Bob. No, you're not. Not when it comes to making up facts. That is rude.

49:09 I'm going to go with my gut. My gut has been wrong 85% of the time this season. I'm just going to say #1 is the falsehood because I think that he scored this one and he scored the Last Jedi without a Co composer. So that's, that's my gut. Let's see what happens. Number one's the falsehood. Locked in. Locked in, baby. Locked in baby Bob, you have reached 500I. Did it? Congratulations, you win nothing. As you know, this is all I have in life, Brad. So I put all of my hopes on reaching 500 on the season, and I did it with, what, four more movies to spare?

49:53 Yeah, you're this is. Great you're this is easy cruising from here I. Could hit twenty wins this year. Yeah, you're you're on a gravy train, baby. Thanks, John Williams. He is the man. All right, dude, let's get back into talking about the movie itself. We left off without talking about Daisy Ridley and or John Boyega. Now I had a very long trip for work the last couple weeks and I like to listen to podcasts when I drive long distances and I listened to one particular podcast that is a celebrity podcast that I will not plug here because they don't need my help. But there was an episode where the celebrities interviewed John Williams, and I listened to that whole thing. It was fantastic.

50:34 And then the next one that came up after John Williams was Daisy Ridley. She's promoting a new movie that she's just made for Disney. And they were both very insightful. And it was really cool to listen to her story about how, you know, her big break was this film. I guess let's start with her because, you know, she is the Luke Skywalker of this trilogy. I'm going to ask you A2 fold question, Brad. What do you think of the character of Rey? And then, divorced from that, what do you think of Daisy Ridley's performance? Man, I think that the character of Rey is really boring in the hands of JJ Abrams.

51:19 I, I, I think that he relies on her kind of looking cool more than her being interesting, and there's just not enough for her to work with. I think that the actress Daisy Ridley is just OK. I don't love her performance. She feels the way she moves doesn't feel smooth or natural. Like. Physically, yeah. Oh, interesting. OK. Yeah, I I think that physically she just kind of feels tight, like like nothing feels loose and, and fluid. She like mechanical kind of. Yes, yeah, 100%.

52:00 OK. Is it like when we watch the Harry Potter movies and when they're like 11, you can tell that they don't know what to do with their hands and stuff like that? What's what's her name? Bonnie. And I almost said Bonnie Hunt. No, it's not Bonnie Hunt. But yes, I. Ginny Ron Weasley's small, smaller sister, Bonnie. Played by Bonnie. If they made an American version of Harry Potter, Bonnie Hunt would be Mrs. Weasley. No, I want I want her to be Ginny now, like with no explanation. It's just there's a bunch of 11 year olds and then her to be taller than.

52:41 But yes, I get what you're saying. I I didn't have that experience. And I think that pretty crucially, JJ Abrams does a really, really good job of knowing when to give his stars star making shots. So like I said, you know, Kylo Ren doesn't have a lot of cool iconography around him because they they kind of undermine that with his character. I think for both Daisy Ridley and John Boyega, they get their really cool moments of like, we are going to turn this person into a movie star. And I think Daisy Ridley has the goods, man. She is. She's kind of constantly being either emotionally or physically tortured throughout most of this movie. And I think that she reflects that really well as an actress. Now where I have a problem with it is exactly what you said about her character.

53:27 Her character is boring AF dude. Like she has you don't learn anything about her. And then that's why I really like what Rian Johnson does with her character and with Kylo Ren's manipulation of her in the second movie, because there's like, it's a tabula rasa, dude. Like there's nothing going on here. You know, that her parents were junk traders and that they abandoned her and that's all you know about her. And so for her being the quote UN quote star of this saga, I think you got to give us a little bit more to her character because as it stands, and here's my Segway, John Boyega is the star of this movie. Dude, like his character arc is the one that we see on screen.

54:08 His back story is the one that we see on screen. And even though everybody in this movie apparently exists to serve Rey, he's the one that gets the cool ass like John Wayne in Stagecoach push in shot when he first picks up a lightsaber and he's about to go hand to hand with Kylo Ren. I'm like, oh, this dude's a movie star. He's got the goods, and I think JJ Abrams knew it, and I think everybody knew it, and that makes it even suckier what happens to his character as the trilogy goes along, because he really gets thrown under the bus. But as far as this movie goes, yes, Daisy Ridley is really, really good. Dude. John Boyega was like next level for me.

54:51 No, come on. Dude, John John Byega, I his performance is fine. I like I like him well enough with his performance. I think that he is given a crap sandwich of horrible dialogue, horrible comedy that doesn't fit the universe. I don't think it fits the character that there's so many things where his character feels so inconsistent and uninteresting because of it, because I like you can't take him seriously as a character, Bob. He's either just a complete buffoon class clown who's just joking around and making really weird uninteresting jokes, or he's trying to pretend to be a hero. And like, honestly, he feels more like a Han Solo character than Poe because he's just like kind of roguish. I'm going to kind of lie to get my way, but or he's trying to actually be a hero and and not because there's so many different directions his character goes in, it just all is ruined.

55:57 And, and like, I want to help Daisy Ridley because I'm interested in her and I'm trying to be the hero, but then I'm going to run away on this spice freighter and be a mercenary. But then I'm going to absolutely lose my mind that Daisy Ridley gets caught and and sacrifice everything to go save her. Like the character as written is so inconsistent that Boyega can't overcome it with a decent performance. I agree with that actually, and I think that's part of why I wonder if his character and all the characters got kind of trimmed back a little bit because he has to take such huge emotional leaps that it kind of still makes sense.

56:41 Like the outline of where his arc is supposed to go still makes sense. This girl Ray was his only friend and the only person whoever saw him as anything more than whatever, you know, FN whatever his number was as a stormtrooper. And so even though he decides to abandon her when he sees her get captured, it it switches something in him that is irreversible. And I like, I understand that, but you're right, in the context of the movie, it's like we just watched him kind of callously walk out on her and then immediately he's like, no, Ray, like writhing on the ground. And yeah, yeah. And I don't think that's necessarily his fault.

57:21 And I think he sells it as best he can. But this, this gets me back to the JJ stuff, man. Like. What is? What is the point of this movie? Like, what is this movie accomplishing? You know, and and I don't mean to draw comparisons to A New Hope because I still think that movie is a little bit underbaked in the context of Star Star Wars. But this movie feels even less baked, like it's it's setting up characters for ATV show where you're the whole pilot is just like, let's tease what can be and not really actually accomplish anything. I don't feel I walked out of this movie feeling like, oh, OK, like that. That was you trying to like whet my appetite for Star Wars, but that seemed like A2 plus hour trailer for a trilogy that hasn't come yet.

58:13 Do you know what I mean? Like it just feels narratively empty to me. Yeah, nothing interesting happens in the movie and honestly this might sound crazy coming from a long term Star Wars fan. I don't know if they should have put Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford in the movie. You they seem like they're trying to prop up the lack of development by just continually being like, oh, look, we've got Chewbacca. Here he is. Yes, and honestly, like Chewbacca, weirdly I think I'd be more OK with being in the film somewhere.

58:55 The the problem with the three main characters from the original films is that like I know within the universe time has passed, but like when Harrison Ford runs on to the Millennium Falcon, I don't see Han Solo anymore, I see Harrison Ford. Well, and it also, it's the kind of entrance that do you remember, you remember when we would like watch sitcoms as a kid, whether it was like Full House or whatever, and they'd have like a random B list celebrity show up. It'd be like MC Hammer and like everybody be like, like, what's he doing at Stephanie Tanner's house? Yeah, and it just feels like there should have been a live in studio audience that applauded when Han Solo ran onto the ship. Like, oh, we're doing this thing now. Yep.

59:43 I will say though, the only narrative thread in this movie that I found really compelling was the Harrison Ford, Kylo Ren. You know, to some extent Carrie Fisher, but definitely like the Han Solo and Ben Solo storyline because let's be honest, Harrison Ford, great actor, knocks it out of the park. He shows up and is like, give me my paycheck and also when you, when it, when the paycheck clears, I'll give you 1 great scene. And then they put him on that bridge and between him and Driver. Dude, I'm going to be honest with you. I had that moment spoiled for me before I saw the movie and so I knew it was coming, which really sucked. It's been so long since I've seen the movie, though, that even though I knew it was coming this time, I didn't have that little nagging voice in the back of my head saying like, here it comes, here it comes, here it comes.

1:00:33 And it's genuinely shocking. They build it up so much that you really think there's a glimmer of hope that Ben Solo might come home. And then to watch this dude get run through with a freaking lightsaber, It really did go like, I was like, no, don't do that, man, come on. Like, even though I knew it was coming and I have to give credit to everyone involved there, even JJ, it's a great moment. I would agree with you that it's a great moment. I think it was one of the least shocking moments in Star Wars history. You. Could tell it was coming. Bro come on, like this is movie one. We all know that something dramatic is going to happen to twist them into the second.

1:01:19 Like I I'm sorry man. It felt so obvious to me that he was going to kill Han Solo. For me, it was like, come on, like don't just use the characters that we know and love for you to prop up your own movie unless it feels deserved. And I I'm not going to say that it it like felt completely ridiculous or out there. I think it's just hard to go back and know the full back story and feel like it was deserved. But like within the mythos of just this film without the next two being out there, like I I think they do a decent job of setting up Kylo and Han and the animosity. So like, I'm OK with him killing him here. Wasn't my favorite thing, but it it wasn't a surprise. All right, man, I think we've kind of spoken our piece on this movie.

1:02:21 Is there anything else that you need to get off your chest with it before we get into let's make it a double. This is a it's a it's a New Hope Bob. Like I know I started the episode with that, but the fact that they can't come up with anything original within the universe of Star Wars is so frustrating to me. Like, you know, we're going to watch Rogue one a week from now. And I, I, I liked Rogue One more than the first Awakens, I think. But even that, it's like we're, we're just going to take A1 offline from A New Hope or well, whenever they talk. Yeah. In A New Hope, when she says a lot of agents died to get us this information, we're going to make an entire movie based off that one line, which, you know, I'm fine with. But then even in that movie, there are so many elements that feel so similar to other Star Wars movies. I'm kind of like Disney.

1:03:13 Like if you're going to let people take a chance with it, keep the core elements of what makes Star Wars, Star Wars and then slowly expand the universe from there with it might sound silly, but what I said earlier, like the fact that Kylo can use the force in like small, fun, unique ways. Like things like that are interesting and even, you know, like bring in new types of fighter ships and new, like bring in cool new things that add to the world building that Lucas gave us but don't change like the core elements of what makes a Star Wars movie a Star Wars movie.

1:03:55 That's why I'm really interested to talk to you about The Last Jedi, because it's really hard for me as a guy, as a non Star Wars fan, to understand where exactly the frustrations start with a Star Wars fan with that movie. Because I know people think that he kind of like threw the baby out with the bathwater. But when I watch that movie, I really do think like, oh, he opened up this universe to possibilities that that JJ Abrams was unwilling to give us. Like just simply the fact of like, you don't have to be from a royal bloodline to have the Force. Like look at all these younglings that Anakin killed in the in the first the prequel trilogy, Like they they weren't all related to him, you know what I mean? And I think that things like that, yes, maybe some of the swings he took, he struck out on, but I like that he was at least trying to do things that we hadn't yet seen in a Star Wars film to that point. And so, you know, we can set that aside for now. I'm excited to talk to you about that. But I'm with you, dude.

1:04:50 JJ really played it safe in this movie. And he did very little both narratively and in terms of the film making to freshen things up. And I think that is a perfect segue into. Let's make it a double. We're near the end of the episodes of Things, listening to the film and Whiskey Show. Let's pair another film with this one, even if it's struggling. It's a final segment of the day. Now let's make it a double. Let's Make It a Double is the part of the show where we pick a movie to pair up with this one to make the perfect double feature? Brad, I'm going to go first because it's it's probably the most cop out I've ever had a cop out. I finished Force Awakens and I was like, Dang, that really had some deficiencies. I want to immediately watch Last Jedi because I want, I know Last Jedi is not a perfect movie, but I want to be able to articulate why I prefer it to this.

1:05:45 And so it was like a, a very natural, I need to pair that up with The Last Jedi. If for nothing else, then I can have it on the top of mind why I like Last Jedi better. So it will probably be a very frustrating double feature for many people to watch those two movies back-to-back, but I couldn't think of another movie to watch with The Force Awakens, then The Last Jedi. I am going to pair it with a movie that I think nobody should watch because it's boring and uninteresting. I'm going to pair it with Free guy Ryan Reynolds NPC movie. That movie got a lot of crap, and it was like, and we've talked about this before, Brad, but like, everything to me feels so cut from the same cloth anymore. Every superhero movie, every IP comedy, everything with Ryan Reynolds, they're all the same movie. And I think every movie is like a variation on a six out of 10 movie.

1:06:42 And so I walked out of that movie being like, yeah, it was a six out of 10. That's exactly what I expected it to be. People freaking hated that movie though. Yeah, I I despised it. I don't remember why I watched it, but terrible movie. And, and the main reason I'm going to pair it is because of what you just said. It's a complete lack of innovation. It's a complete lack of having anything interesting to say about the world and, and like adding to the world of cinema. And, and I think that's kind of what Disney has done with the Star Wars franchise. All right, well, gosh, this sounds like we're going to just absolutely crater this film on our final scores, Brad.

1:07:23 I think on a story development level, this is like a 5 1/2 out of 10. On a fun characters store like level, this is like a six out of 10. I think it's like a 6 1/2 movie that I just feel so met about, but it's certainly not inept. It is made well enough in every single facet. And I think when I think about like a well enough movie, that's a 2 1/2 stars for me. And so I think that's where I'm going to land here. It's a it's a 6 1/2 out of 10 for me. Yeah, I, I'm in a really similar place. I want this movie to be good. And I, and I know that a lot of Star Wars fans kind of get criticized for just wanting to be critical. And I'm sure that there are some who are like that, Bob. I, I want to have fun with Star Wars movies. Like, I, I overlook a lot of flaws that George Lucas has with as a director because he creates incredibly beautiful, really fun and, and great iconic moments that are just awesome and, and really cool and fun to watch.

1:08:32 And, and I, I think Disney has just neutered all of that innovation completely. And so I, I want to give this a good score. I want to enjoy it. I wanted to enjoy it when it came out in 2015. I was so jacked for that movie and yet here we are. So I, I, I'll give it a six out of 10. I think it's OK, but I I want there to be so much more man. All right, so we are coming to a 6.25 out of 10 on The Force Awakens, but we want to know what you think. Are we too harsh on this one? Are we not harsh enough? You can find us on all of our social medias, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube.

1:09:15 Brad, I've actually created a LinkedIn page for us now for all you professionals out there. Oh my goodness. Let us know on any of those social medias. You can find us at Film Whiskey. Can can I get added as an as an employee at Film and Whiskey? No Dang it. OK, well if you want to join the conversation that Bob clearly doesn't want any of us to be a part of, you can find us on Discord. You can get the link at the end of any single one of our show notes. Next week we'll be back talking more Star Wars when it comes to the film Rogue One. We'll be joined by a very special guest for that one as well. But until then, I'm Bob Book. I'm Brad G.

1:09:57 And we'll see you next time.