Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens / Jim Beam Double Oak Bourbon Whiskey

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In 2015, director JJ Abrams gave
the world a long-awaited

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continuation set in our favorite
far, far away Galaxy.

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In 2024, we kick off five
straight weeks of a bargain

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brand.
The film is Star Wars episode 7

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The Force Awakens.
The whiskey is Jim Beam double

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oaked bourbon.
And we'll review them both.

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This is.
The Film and Whiskey podcast

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G and Brad.

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We are smack dab in, well, I
guess not the middle in the

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beginning of a run of Star Wars
movies here.

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I said a few weeks ago that I
said a few weeks ago that we're

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about to close out a five week
run of Disney movies.

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And it's true because Disney
owns everything now and we're

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starting with three weeks of
Star Wars and ending with two

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weeks of Marvel.
And I just keep wondering, what

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have we done to deserve this?
Yeah, when, when will it all

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end?
Robert, what we did to deserve

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this was allow you to pick the
theme for this season.

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I ran it by you.
You said, hey, that sounds

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great.
In true Brad G fashion, having

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done no research, and now you
have brought this upon yourself

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too.
So there you go.

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Yeah.
I my trust in you has been

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misplaced for almost what, 15
years now?

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Yeah, yeah, it has, man.
My trust in myself has been

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misplaced even longer.
So that's what landed us here,

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folks, if you're new to film and
whiskey, hello, welcome in.

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What we do on this show is
review movies and review

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whiskeys.
So you've you've come to the

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right place if you're looking
for either of those things this

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season.
What we're talking about is the

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highest grossing film of each
year from 1988 to 2019.

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Brad, we are nearing the end of
this season.

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And I think that in the first
few weeks of this season, it was

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like, OK, 80s, early 90s, I get
this, I get this.

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Mid 90s blockbusters.
Sure, sure.

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Then all of a sudden I blink and
we're in 2015 and it feels like

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we are worlds apart from the
Hollywood of Rain Man and Sister

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Act.
Dude it is wild to think that

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Hollywood made those movies in
the 80s and 90s and here we are

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in the in the teens of the 2000s
just with a a splurge of these

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IP driven no thought put into
them the the peak of cinema if

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you will.
I have never so much appreciated

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the film American Sniper as I do
now, though, Brad, because it

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already broke up what was
beginning to become a monotonous

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descent into Disney.
But it really does seem like it

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was the last time that a real
original American film made any

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sort of a dent at the box
office.

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And I'm really grateful for
that.

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Now again, we we're going to
look at two of the three Disney

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sequels that Disney made in the
Star Wars Canon.

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And we're also looking at the
one off kind of offshoot film

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Rogue One next week.
So, you know, with Rogue One, I

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have slightly different feelings
than I do for this trilogy

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overall, because Rogue One
stands on its own.

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But I also, Brad, if I'm going
to start talking about the movie

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here a little bit, I really
truly don't like the sequels

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except for one of them.
And it's the one that you

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probably like the least.
But I feel like any anything

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regarding the sequels,
everyone's negative feelings

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about all three movies get
directed in full force to

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whichever movie is being
discussed at that moment.

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And I will say, I don't think
this is a great movie.

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I also don't think this is like
a terrible movie.

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It's kind of whatever you want
it to be.

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If you if you want it to mark
the descent into the worst

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possible Star Wars IP slop, sure
it is.

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If you want to consider it a
return to form and a harkening

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back to the days of yore, sure.
It's that.

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I kind of feel like it's
somewhere in between those two

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things.
And because it is so meh, that

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makes it really not that much
fun to talk about.

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And so people kind of gravitate
towards one end of the spectrum

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or the other in a way that may
or may not actually be fair to

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the movie.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's

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fair.
I think that in general, I'm

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always somebody who desires for
the pendulum to swing a smaller

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amount to be closer to the
middle.

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But I I will agree with you.
I think Force Awakens doesn't

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try hard enough to be anything
distinct.

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And so it ultimately just
becomes this kind of sloppy cut

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rate work in a universe that
just kind of deserves more.

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, so they handed over the

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reins to this trilogy to JJ
Abrams.

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And I think the plan initially
was that they were going to find

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three up and coming directors to
both write and direct their own

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Star Wars movie.
So it was JJ Abrams and Ryan

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Johnson.
And then the third film was

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planned to be directed and
written by Colin Trevorrow, who

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had made a really cool little
indie movie, got handed the big

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boy reigns, and then he made
what was it?

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It's one of the Jurassic Parks.
No, I don't know.

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He made something that people
freaked out about, and it kind

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of ruined his career because the
film was so bad.

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And then they yanked that away
from him.

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And at the same time they yanked
that away from him.

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Audiences had started reacting
really negatively to what Ryan

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Johnson had done in the second
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And so they called back up JJ
Abrams and said, hey, people,

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People were happy back then when
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save, save our ship, please, JJ
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And what JJ Abrams did instead
was give us The Rise of

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Skywalker, which has since
tainted everyone's reputation of

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any good thoughts they had
towards JJ Abrams.

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And like I said, people have
read retroactively pour things

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back onto this film.
Now, I do think there are a lot

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of JJ Abrams tendencies at play
in this movie that are very

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obviously there.
I think JJ Abrams is kind of the

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king of kicking the can down the
road narratively.

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And we'll talk about all that,
Brad, but I just kind of want to

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get your initial impressions.
We were talking about the

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sequels.
We're talking about JJ.

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What comes to mind as you sit on
the therapist's couch of airing

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Star Wars grievances here?
Oh man, is this my opportunity.

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Do I?
Do I get to start just

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lambasting Disney for what
they've done?

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Oh man, to a beloved franchise.
I could already tell.

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I could.
I can sense the energy that

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you've been building to just
dump on this, this sequel

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trilogy.
I was supposed to drive for

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about 8 hours today and it ended
up being about 10 with accidents

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and traffic and wildness.
So yeah, I'm, I'm ready, man.

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What were you going to say
though?

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Oh, go ahead.
Here's here's the deal, Bob.

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At the end of the day, I walked
out of this movie and I was so

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pumped that I had watched
another Star Wars movie.

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And then I went and saw it again
with some friends, 'cause I was,

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I saw it initially.
It was actually a good time.

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We went to see it in Boston the
night before I moved back home

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because my wife and I lived in
Boston for three months and

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hated it.
We go to see it in this little

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indie theater and AI have never
been in a movie theater where

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they tuned the audio up higher.
I mean, it was so freaking loud

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that I didn't know what
anybody's names in the movie

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were unless they were from the
previous movies.

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Like, I had no idea that Poe's
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I had noted it, the idea that
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It was.
It was really rough how loud it

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was.
And secondly, we had a tooth

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sitting behind us drinking
something out of a Mason jar

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that just smelled like
moonshine.

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And he was very loud and
obnoxious.

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Can I, can I clue you into what
that was, Brad?

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What was it, Bob It?
Was moonshine Yeah, historically

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sipped out of jars.
So the first viewing wasn't

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great and yet I still walked out
like pumped about the movie.

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I think I I called my friend
Mike and we talked about it

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being like an 8 or a nine out of
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And then I saw it again with
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And then we went and saw it at
the Great Lakes Science Center

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in IMAX.
And that was a terrible

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experience because you were like
laying on your back the whole

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time.
And then I went and saw it again

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and then I went and saw it
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So I'm really not kidding about,
but I've seen this movie like

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five times in theaters.
Wow.

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Which which is a lot.
By the time I got to the end of

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seeing it five times in
theaters, I was much less

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impressed.
But I still held on my my

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precious little 25 year old
heart was still holding on to

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the idea that, you know, this
was a decent movie.

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And as long as they take it
somewhere with the next two, I

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think we'll look back on this
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And that's kind of my thesis
statement for today, Brad, not

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even thesis statement.
It's my my hypothesis that I

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want to test.
It's the question that I need an

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answer to.
Is JJ Abrams relying solely on

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somebody else to bail out the
fact that he does not really

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have the balls to make big
narrative choices?

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And.
Or is he setting up a perfect

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first chapter, knowing that
sequels typically deepen

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whatever happened in the first
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And I can't decide which that is
when it comes to this movie,

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Brad.
And so with that sort of Ryan

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Seacrest throwing to commercial
cliffhanger, I think it's time

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for us to throw over to our
first segment of the day, which

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we call Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
ticking on the clock, so let's

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go ahead and hear your take with
this little segment that we

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call, Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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podcast where Brad breaks down
the plot of the movie that he

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has just seen for the 6th time,
At least the 6th this time.

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Have you watched this on home
video at all Brad or what?

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Did you just cut yourself off at
5 theatrical viewings?

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I don't think I've ever watched
it since I saw in theaters.

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Like I I watched The Last Jedi
once afterwards just to like,

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confirm how terrible it was.
And let me tell you what, Bob, I

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did not need to watch Rise of
Skywalker again to know how

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terrible it was.
So yeah, this one I actually

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weirdly have not seen since I
saw it in theaters.

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All right.
So Brad, even though it's been

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almost a decade since you've
seen this movie, you should have

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the general outline pretty much
memorized at this point.

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You have one minute to break
down the plot of this movie.

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Now folks, we are going to get
into massive, massive spoilers.

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And this film does have at least
one massive spoiler in it.

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So if you are even remotely
interested in seeing this film

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and you haven't yet hit pause
here, come back and rejoin us

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after you watch the movie.
But Brad, it's time for you to

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spoil away my good friend one
minute and go.

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Star Wars Episode 7 The Force
Awakens is A New Hope.

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Go watch that.
Oh wait, instead of Ben Kenobi

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dying, Han Solo dies and Luke
doesn't say any lines.

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There you go.
Are.

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You really going to stop there
sometimes.

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I don't know if you like, if
you're going to stick by your

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snarkiness or if you're going to
like reframe that.

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Afterwards, have you ever heard
of this thing called the bit?

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Because I am committed to it.
Listen man, you have been

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stepping on my bits.
That sounds terrible.

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You you really Well, that too.
You have been undermining every

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bit I've tried to do on this
podcast for eight seasons now.

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I don't feel one bit bad.
They they call me the Underminer

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baby.
All right, dude, let's dive into

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talking about the movie in
earnest.

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And I don't think we can do that
without trying to answer the JJ

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Abrams question, because his
fingerprints are all over this

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now.
Abrams made his bones in TV.

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He was very famous for, I think
believe he started with

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Felicity, but then he moved to
Alias, which was really the one

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that, like, cracked everything
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People loved that show.
He then he develops Lost, and

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Lost is where you really get
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Abrams calls the mystery box
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essentially a really fancy way
of him describing never giving

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the audience any answers.
That if you continually keep

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things in the mystery box, they
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repeatedly watching your show
hoping to figure out what

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happens in the mystery box.
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the show and in the mystery box
is actually just the story box

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where all of your friends
terrible stories went to die.

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And here we are, JJ.
Thanks a lot.

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Inside the mystery box is the
revelation that they were dead

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the whole time.
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Who would have thought it?
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There are some ardent Lost
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I remember watching the first
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on TV, like in real time.
We watched it every week and by

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the end of season 2 we were
like, what the hell is going on?

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I don't understand what's going
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And not even in like a this is
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X-Files kind of way.
Just like you're not answering

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any questions and now there's
polar bears.

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What what the hell?
And what's this bunker and who

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are the others?
And I don't know.

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Did you watch Lost Bread?
Dude, the first two seasons of

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Lost were some of the most fun
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So good.
I like, I think I've ever

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watched live.
I think we lost interest

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somewhere halfway through season
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Yeah, that.
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But man, oh man, those first two
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So that's JJ Abrams.
Then they start giving him

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movies, and I want to say he had
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Cloverfield films.
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those.
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jumps in the ring with Mission
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called Super 8, which is an
alien invasion movie where he

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starts drawing comparisons to
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And it's really obvious that he
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and close Encounters.
But Brad, I am like the world's

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biggest Spielberg fan.
I have never seen him as a

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Spielberg in terms of how he
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he moves the camera, whether
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like dive into human emotion.
He just kind of always seemed

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like an imposter to me, if I'm
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you start comparing someone to
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up.
But then I'm kind of, I'm really

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on the defensive about that.
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comes to a head when you get
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And I think all his bad
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I'm really just curious, man.
Like, what are the JJ isms that

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you see in this film?
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work for you?
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that I kind of see here is that
it seems like JJ writes movies

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from the origin of like things
he thinks look cool, but like

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cool shots.
And I'm not going to lie, man,

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he nails some killer shots, like
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like the shot of the Death Star
crashed on the moon and like the

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waves crashing on it.
And I he has some killer one off

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really beautiful, interesting
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There's a lot that he can do
there and he likes silly Marvel

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jokes And then everything else
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So I don't know.
Is is that is that JJ Isms?

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I don't really know.
It's really hard to pin down

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what JJ Abrams is as a director
because all of his movies are so

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tonally different from each
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I mean, look at Mission
Impossible, 3A film that you and

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I are ardent defenders of versus
this movie.

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And it's stylistically, tonally
just completely different.

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Man, I, I really don't know.
I know that JJ is a writer by

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trade, but I do think that he
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bit from a director standpoint.
And what I really noticed this

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time around, and I've also
watched next week's movie, Rogue

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One.
So forgive the comparison here,

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Brad, but like, I think Rogue
One is a movie where I've always

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felt like it had such a massive
scale because they do such a

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great job of showing.
Like you can see the the outline

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of the Death Star in like the
planet's atmosphere and

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everything seems like it's just
you're fighting on this big

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cosmic scale in every shot.
But I have to say this movie

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also has a really good sense of
scale, especially when it comes

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to working on movie sets.
Like there's a lot of times in

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this movie where you can tell
like we're on a set.

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But then when you think about
how massive some of these sound

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stages must have been, I'm
thinking in particular, there's

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a scene.
It's like the first raid on Maz

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Kannada's joint when everything
gets blown up and then Ray gets

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captured and you get this
incredible tracking shot of Finn

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running across all of the
wreckage of the whole set, like

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chasing her and going like Ray.
That's all real stuff.

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There's like stuff around him
exploding and smoking and on

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fire and it's like, wow,
remember when we had real stuff

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on a set for an actor to
interact with?

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Oh yeah, I I am avidly a fan of
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I, I think it makes movies so
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And I, I'm with you.
I, I think that there are

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certain things that JJ is good
at.

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His movies move nicely.
Like, like there.

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It's not the kind of camera work
that you get from a Spielberg,

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but I, I do love the sense of
movement and he uses his camera,

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his unique camera shots well and
he and he doesn't use them all

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the time.
Like you don't really get a ton

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of Dutch angles, but every once
in a while you get a straight

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over the top angle, you know,
like, like Finn running and, and

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so you get some interesting
camera movement.

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And I, I like the way he films X
wings and the way that they move

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in the space above Maz Kanata's
place.

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Like, like there's some cool
moments like that, but there's

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other problems that we'll get to
later.

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I mean, why don't why don't we
just get to it now?

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Like where do you want to start
with the movie?

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We've kind of talked about the
JJ of it all and I wanted to

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talk about that first because I
think that that kind of casts AI

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don't know, not like a pallor
over everything, but like

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everything in this movie feels
very rooted in the fact that

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it's AJJ Abrams movie, for
better or for worse, whether

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it's the acting, whether it's
the special effects, the beats

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of the story, the lack of beats
of the story, it's all goes back

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to him.
And so with that as our kind of

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like.
Root system of this Star Wars

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tree?
Like where?

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Where do you want to go first in
talking about the movie Brad?

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Oh, the humor.
Here's here's the deal.

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Man, I remember the first time I
saw this.

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Up until this current viewing,
the opening 5 minutes of this

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movie are stellar.
Like I I love Kylo Ren's

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introduction.
I love the way he uses the Force

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to like catch a blaster bolt
midair and hold it there.

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Like that's cool.
It's a, it's a addition to how

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we know the Force to work in the
other movies that doesn't feel

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forced or wild.
It's like, wow, this is a new

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dark Sith that has found out a
new way to manipulate the Force.

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And he's got a cool mask and,
and his voice sounds weird and

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cool and menacing.
And I'm in on all of it, even

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the kind of chintzy dialogue,
the Mcguffin dialogue between

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Poe and the random guy on the
planet.

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Like not great dialogue, but
this is Star Wars.

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I'm OK with not great dialogue.
And then Poe looks at him and

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goes, are you going to talk
first?

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Am I going to talk first too?
Wait, who's talking first?

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Are we Are we waiting here?
And I literally want to like rip

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my ear canals out that I had to
listen to that in a Star Wars

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film.
And then the entire character of

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Finn is based around that.
And the few tiny moments where

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you get to chew on something
with John Boyega and and he

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actually gets to show like, hey,
I'm really struggling with what

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I'm doing here.
I don't know who I am.

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I'm trying to figure out an
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He has a few little moments like
that that you would hope be

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would be AJJ Abrams specialty.
And then they're immediately

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undermined by this childish
humor that just doesn't fit in

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the Star Wars universe.
Man, I really hate to start with

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the cast with this person, but I
want to start with Oscar Isaac

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because he is a guy that he kind
of burst onto the scene and got

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really, really big in critics
circles back in like 2013

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because he made a movie with the
Coen brothers called Inside

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Llewyn Davis.
It was he was the star of the

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movie.
It was I I mean, I'm not a huge

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fan of the movie.
His performance is unreal in

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that movie and a lot of people
thought he was gonna get

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nominated for that movie.
He doesn't, but it kind of kick

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starts this trajectory that he's
on.

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He he makes some movies with a
24 Ex Machina is one that people

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really liked.
He makes a movie called A most

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violent Year where he plays a
gang like a gangster kingpin and

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he has this like menace and and
weight and heft to his

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performance.
That is like this guy's gonna be

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a movie star.
And then you hear he's about to

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be the new like Han Solo
character basically in Star

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Wars.
Like he's the guy that's

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bringing the charisma.
And then you see what they do

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with his character and it's
like, hey, this character has no

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development, no back story, no
weight.

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But also like, I really think
Oscar Isaac is just miscast in

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this movie.
He he like, he doesn't have, he

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doesn't have that like,
particular sense of like,

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easygoing humor.
And so when he's doing the

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humor, it feels forced.
It doesn't feel like even even

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the best Marvel actors have the
ability to pull some of that

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humor off.
That's just not really who Oscar

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Isaac is.
And every time I watch these

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movies, I'm like, damn, he's
such a good actor, but he feels

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so out of place in these movies.
Yeah, I, I had literally never

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heard of him before this movie.
And then he has a few moments of

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bad humor, disappears for half
of the movie because they want

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you to think he's dead like like
any other movies in the series.

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And then he's not dead because
magic and and he doesn't really

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have anything else to do other
than being a cool fighter pilot.

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And I'm with you, man.
I think that the talent is

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there, but JJ just does not use
it well.

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I mean, I need to go watch
Inside Llewyn Davis or any of

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his other movies because I I
don't think I still have seen

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him in anything else.
He's a great actor.

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This is just not his speed man.
And I really like, I just

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wonder, was the script really
long and they had to cut it

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back?
Because each of the characters

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in this movie feels like to, to
certain extents, their

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characters got trimmed down.
And I think that in the case of

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Kylo Ren and Rey and Finn, their
character arcs are still a

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little bit more intact.
But when you get down to like,

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the pose of the world here, it's
like he's the 4th lead of the

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movie.
How much do we really need to

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know about him?
And so they just kind of make

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him weirdly supportive of the
other characters, but not really

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doing too much.
Yep, I.

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Don't know, man.
Before we get into Finn and Rey,

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let's talk a little bit about
Adam Driver as Kylo Ren.

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Now he's another guy that was
doing some smaller indie movies.

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He's also in Inside Llewyn
Davis.

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His big break came on the HBO
show Girls and then he lands

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Star Wars and it's like, oh,
he's like a six foot 4 Marine.

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This is going to be pretty dope
as as the bad guy.

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I know that you are not a huge
fan of Kylo Ren, dude.

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I think Adam Driver as Kylo Ren,
even in the worst film of the

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sequels, is maybe the best
character and performance in any

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of the Star Wars movies.
He adds layers to this like

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wounded, selfish, bitter
manchild role that probably

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aren't even there on the page,
but he just freaking kills it.

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Man, I really love Adam Driver
in these movies.

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I've I've come around on Adam
Driver.

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I I think that coming out of the
first time I saw it, I thought

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he was fine.
I wasn't super impressed coming

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out of Last Jedi.
The only thing I liked about

447
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,760
this movie, and probably still
the only thing I like was the

448
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:29,920
Kylo Ren, Rey kind of
relationship development that

449
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,720
like that was the one thing I
walked out of that two hour and

450
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,880
two hour and 30 minute atrocity
of a film.

451
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:42,280
I walked out of it going, man,
if we had more Adam Driver and

452
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,960
Daisy Ridley.
I like, I'm in, I, I really

453
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,080
enjoyed the development of their
relationship.

454
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,680
And so I yeah.
And then we just don't talk

455
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,760
about Rise of Skywalker.
So I think I'm kind of actually

456
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,280
with you on this.
I like Kylo Ren.

457
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:03,400
The one thing I don't care for
is that he has him take off his

458
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:10,520
mask way before he sees his dad.
I like narratively, I just think

459
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:16,880
he's way more scary leading up
until you see him with his dad

460
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,920
and it just makes so much more
narrative sense to go, oh, he's

461
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:27,240
a scared little boy and you see
that when his dad comes around.

462
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,120
Like that's the moment you
reveal his face, not just it

463
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,560
feels kind of throw away that he
just takes his mask off

464
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,160
randomly.
Well, I will say, like, I, I

465
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,760
actually like the place where
they have him do it because it

466
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,800
clues the audience in even
earlier that he is a scared

467
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,640
little boy.
And that he he's already facing

468
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,920
this internal struggle.
So that when he delivers that

469
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,560
line on the bridge with Han Solo
about like, I don't know if I

470
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,160
have the strength to do this
anymore.

471
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,680
You really are bought into the
idea that maybe he's he really

472
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,640
wants to quit this whole thing.
What really sucks about him

473
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,680
taking off his mask when he does
is they they build up to it.

474
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,040
Dude, there's multiple close up
shots of Darth Vader's helmet

475
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,040
and his own mask.
And then you're like, he goes,

476
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,520
I'm going to take my mask off
now.

477
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,480
And it cuts to like him starting
to lift it off his head from

478
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,680
behind his.
It's like a over the shoulder

479
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,040
shot.
So you can see Daisy really

480
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,320
reacting and then it cuts back
to him and it's like this medium

481
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,680
shot that looks like it wasn't
even like the main shot.

482
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,040
It was like some secondary
camera in the background that

483
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,880
was just doing coverage.
And then he's like, boop, here I

484
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,040
am.
And he stands up and you're

485
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,480
like, oh, that.
That's Kylo Ren.

486
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,040
Like, I mean, you got to do a
close up.

487
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,440
There needs to be some sort of
like dark, foreboding John

488
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,120
Williams score there.
And it just it feels like that

489
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,000
whole reveal is such a flop now.
I do think that it probably is

490
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,160
on purpose that there is like a
sense of underwhelm to it

491
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,480
because he seems really scary.
But Abrams and Abrams is trying

492
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,680
to undercut that with the idea
that, like, this lanky dude is

493
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,000
who everybody's afraid of.
So I think there's good and bad

494
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,880
to it.
But ultimately, I think it gets

495
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:13,960
to the idea of like, Kylo Ren as
scared manchild is really

496
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,360
compelling narratively, but it's
always going to be really

497
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,640
underwhelming from like an
iconography standpoint.

498
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,960
Same thing like when they took
Darth Vader's mask off at the

499
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,840
end and he was like a fat, bald
old guy.

500
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,920
Like, like, like, oh, come on,
that's the guy.

501
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,160
Because it makes a lot of sense
on paper.

502
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,200
And I think it's really
compelling on paper, but it just

503
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,000
doesn't make for cool visuals.
Sure.

504
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,840
Yeah.
I mean, at the end of the day,

505
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,240
there's a reason these guys are
wearing a mask.

506
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,320
It's because they're little
little baby man boys underneath

507
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,720
got all sorts of teenage
problems.

508
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,320
Do you get it?
They're hiding behind a mask,

509
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,560
Brad.
Hey, dude, let's take a break,

510
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,320
man.
We we haven't really, we haven't

511
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,920
really started crapping on this
movie.

512
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,160
We need to talk about the two
leads of the film when we come

513
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,160
back.
We need to talk about the shock

514
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,800
value of the big twist.
And we'll see where we go from

515
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,760
there.
But I want to drink some

516
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,680
whiskey.
I just want to clarify by saying

517
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,040
we haven't really started
crapping on the movie yet.

518
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,880
Is is that a challenge?
Do I need to up my crapping on?

519
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,240
I know it's coming from you at
some point, so.

520
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,800
All right, I'm just, I'm just
checking in man all.

521
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,960
Right, let's drink some whiskey
bread.

522
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:33,160
Let's get to it.
All right, so today we are

523
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,800
kicking off five straight weeks
with a brand that has been kind

524
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,360
of under represented on this
show.

525
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,280
Brad, we've been holding off for
a long time or I guess I've been

526
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,800
holding off on folding in Jim
Beam products to our line up

527
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,800
because I know it's always going
to be there.

528
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,360
And it's kind of fun to be in
season eight of a podcast and

529
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,560
still be trying something as
simple as Jim Beam, you know,

530
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,800
but but I think the time has
come.

531
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,680
We kind of missed the window for
springtime of swill.

532
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,280
We're in the back half of summer
now and I don't know if any of

533
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,440
this is swill, but I wanted to
take an opportunity to try 5

534
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,160
whiskeys in a row from the Jim
Beam company that are all widely

535
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,600
available and very, very
inexpensive.

536
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,280
Now we could start off with
regular old Jim Beam.

537
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,120
I think it might actually be
more fun to finish with that one

538
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,120
and to try some of their other
their other widely available

539
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,400
brands here.
So we're kicking off today with

540
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,840
Jim Beam Double Oak.
Now this is what they call a

541
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,320
twice barreled, expertly aged
and then matured in a second.

542
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,960
Oak Barrel Bourbon Whiskey
clocks in at exactly 86 proof.

543
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,480
Brad, have you ever tried double
oaked Jim Beam before?

544
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Hell no.
I can tell you that when I first

545
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,160
moved home from Kentucky in
2017, we did not have a place to

546
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,000
live for four months.
We had to crash with my in laws

547
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:04,040
who are famously teetotalers and
I had a bottle of whiskey up in

548
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,120
our bedroom that I just kept
hidden away.

549
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,720
And that bottle of whiskey was
Jim Beam Double Oak.

550
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,120
I don't know how I got it or how
I came like came to acquire this

551
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,720
bottle.
I remember not liking it, but it

552
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,840
was all the liquor that we had
and so we relied on this guy

553
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,400
baby.
So I haven't had this in like 7

554
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,680
years.
We'll see if my palate has

555
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,920
developed since then, but all I
remember about this is that it

556
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,320
tasted chemically and it was
real, real cheap.

557
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,760
Yeah.
Can I, can I tell a quick, fun

558
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,640
story about alcohol in places we
weren't supposed to have it?

559
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,320
No.
Sure.

560
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,040
So Bob and I went to seminary
and in the housing that they

561
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,640
provided for married couples,
you were not supposed to have

562
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,520
alcohol, which is a silly rule
that we all made fun of and

563
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,960
broke.
My my friend Jordan had some

564
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,600
alcohol in his house.
And one of our good friends was

565
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:03,000
like the one who set up all of
our housing and, and we all just

566
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,200
didn't talk to her about
drinking alcohol because she

567
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,560
didn't want to know about it.
Well, their house flooded one

568
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,680
day and in the middle of like
water pouring down from the

569
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,160
ceilings, there's like 15 people
running in and out of the house

570
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,840
getting like couches out and
books and all these things.

571
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,960
Jordan takes me to the side.
Oh, and fire alarms are going

572
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,520
off as well.
Jordan takes me to the side.

573
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:34,680
He goes, Brad, I've got like 8
bottles of whiskey above my

574
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,880
fridge.
I need you to get them.

575
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,440
And I was like, bro, I got you.
Say no more.

576
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,480
I like slowly snuck them all out
in pillowcases.

577
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,320
Can I just be honest with you?
I wasn't there.

578
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,680
But I'm telling you right now,
everyone knew what you were

579
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:53,320
doing.
I don't.

580
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,640
Think nobody.
Nobody knew Bob.

581
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,800
Hey, what's?
That lumpy pillowcase full of.

582
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,560
I was just as careful and
stealthy with those bottles as

583
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,560
JJ Abrams is with humor.
I'll bet you were.

584
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,480
It was incredible.
I I felt so proud to be the

585
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,080
friend that was entrusted with
hiding the booze.

586
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,360
All right, man, let's dive into
Jim Beam double oak.

587
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:24,040
Now I'm going to tell you my one
massive note on the nose here,

588
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,320
but I want to see if you picked
up on it first, Brad.

589
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,600
So hit hit me with your nose
signal.

590
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,880
Just a big old honkin.
Just massive note, Bob.

591
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:41,880
I got salt and peanuts.
Oak youth cola and apple peel.

592
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,239
Like it's a youth, Like it's a
substance, Like you're the witch

593
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,360
in Snow White.
Like just a bottle of the Sweet

594
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,440
Smell of youth.
These are the things that I got

595
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,960
on this.
So this has been sitting in my

596
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,680
glass for about 5 minutes now
and for the 1st 3:00-ish minutes

597
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,120
you know it needs to open up and
breathe a little bit, but I

598
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,080
kept.
Youth, didn't you?

599
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,040
Oh man, no.
It was straight black licorice,

600
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,440
like anise extract.
And I was like, oh, Brad is

601
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,080
going to hate this.
It's definitely calm down a bit.

602
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,320
I get a lot of that peanut and
that's like that's the big thing

603
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,360
people get on Jim Beam products
is peanut.

604
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,640
It's there.
I get a lot of vanilla.

605
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,720
The oak is definitely present.
It's not quite as young as I

606
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:28,880
expected it to be, but it is a
little bit harsher than

607
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,080
something like a Woodford Double
Oak, and I think that's because

608
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,840
like we're drinking a cheaper
product here.

609
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,280
But overall, I'm actually pretty
impressed with this.

610
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,520
There's way more complexity here
than I anticipated.

611
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,760
I'm going to give it a 7 out of
10 on the nose.

612
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,160
Yeah, I actually like this a
decent amount.

613
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,000
I also gave it a 7 out of 10 on
the nose, and thankfully I did

614
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,960
not get that black anis.
I think as I moved into the

615
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,360
palette here, though, Bob, this
has a really nice peanutty

616
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,840
flavor to it.
It's got that beam nuttiness.

617
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,800
There was a bit of like an apple
fritter kind of Carmel Y apple Y

618
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,720
goodness.
It was very dusty and it kind of

619
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:14,800
gave me just hints of like a big
league chew that that dustiness

620
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,120
had just enough fruitiness to it
that I was like, oh, this is

621
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,840
kind of a nice bubble gummy
flavor.

622
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,120
Nothing to like write home
about, but I I'd say this is a

623
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,760
pretty solid experience.
I I came up from the nose to a

624
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,880
7.5.
I'm having a weird experience

625
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,200
and I need you to help me figure
out what's going on right now.

626
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,000
You ever had to like gargle with
salt water?

627
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,200
Like if you have a irritated
throat, or even if you've never

628
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,000
done that, like accidentally
gotten a mouthful of seawater

629
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,200
before, then there's just
something inherently that

630
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,640
happens.
Not a gag reflex thing, but like

631
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,200
while it's in your mouth.
Your mouth knows I am not

632
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,360
supposed to have a liquid this
salty like going on in here.

633
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,600
I don't actually taste salt in
this, but I'm having that sort

634
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,200
of like guttural reaction.
This whiskey shouldn't be in my

635
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,200
mouth.
Yeah, it just, it reminds me of

636
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,840
like when I have something
that's too saline heavy in my

637
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,080
mouth.
And so like my predominant note

638
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,280
on this is like, it's really
saline heavy.

639
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,040
I don't know that I actually
taste salt, but like I'm

640
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,680
mimicking that reaction.
The oak is definitely here.

641
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:26,120
I can see why I thought this
tasted chemically back then

642
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,320
because it's it's a bitter oak
and it's definitely a more

643
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,360
astringent, less quality whiskey
that they are double Oaking

644
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,480
here.
And so I think the bitterness of

645
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,800
that oak paired with what is
probably youth and some really

646
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,640
aggressive grain that I'm
getting on this it, it just kind

647
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:49,240
of tastes like it has the saline
of a a blended malt Scotch, but

648
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:52,400
they've double barrelled it.
And this is not really my cup of

649
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,520
tea, man.
I'm only going to give this a 5

650
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,480
1/2 on the palate.
Oh, man, yeah.

651
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,800
For me, the finish is where this
really falls off and the, the

652
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,760
youth kind of comes through.
It turns into this kind of

653
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,840
bitter, soury apple flavor.
The oakiness really comes

654
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,400
through.
It reminds me almost of like an

655
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,840
apple cider vinegar.
There's some bitter cherry going

656
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,440
on.
I the the finish is what really

657
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,080
dropped off for me.
I'll I'll give it a 5 out of 10

658
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,720
here.
Actually, I think the finish is

659
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,560
a little bit nicer for me and I
just had like my third sip of

660
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,560
this.
The vanilla definitely comes out

661
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,880
a bit.
I can see where you're getting

662
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,720
that apple.
It reminds me a little bit more

663
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:38,520
of like a rum on the back of the
pallet, like a a barely aged

664
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,880
rum.
And so like I'm I'm getting kind

665
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:47,640
of aggressively young grain here
mixed with really, really sweet

666
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,160
sugary notes.
And I don't know.

667
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,880
Are you a rum drinker, Brad?
You know, I have a few of my

668
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,800
whiskey friends who are like
really into rum lately and they

669
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,080
give me these like medium to
high end rums, think like a

670
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,040
Woodford double Oaked level of
rum and I don't really like them

671
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,520
that much.
No, I they're they're not.

672
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,480
Great.
I'm the same way with rum as I

673
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,640
am with tequila.
Because rums aren't typically

674
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,360
aged as long as whiskeys are
right?

675
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,000
Like if you have an 18 month
aged rum, it's considered like

676
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,360
heavily aged, but it it carries
those sort of youthful notes

677
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,120
that we are trained to to know
in whiskey are a sign of poor

678
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,480
quality.
So I try a really good quality

679
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,280
rum, but it tastes to me like
poor quality whiskey.

680
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,320
And so I can't get into rum or
tequila because of that.

681
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,600
And I think that's kind of
what's going on here, man.

682
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,560
Like this, this finish is not
horrible, but it reminds me of

683
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,760
rum and that's probably not
something you want on your

684
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,160
whiskey.
I'll give it a six and then on

685
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,920
the balance, I think this really
falls off from the nose to the

686
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,200
taste to the finish.
I'll give that a six as.

687
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,840
Well, yeah, I think balance
wise, it has enough of a nose

688
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,960
and palate that I like that I'll
keep it a decent score, but I,

689
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,880
yeah, I'm at a six out of 10 on
balance.

690
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,760
All right, that brings us to
value.

691
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,440
Now as far as I know, this is
what Brad like 2025 bucks?

692
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:15,800
It is $19.99.
Listen, man, it is pretty

693
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,000
remarkable to get a double Oaked
product for 20 bucks.

694
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,040
And I think that, like, if you
told me you can get a double

695
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,800
Oaked product for 20 bucks, I
would probably expect it to

696
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,480
taste like this.
Like, I don't think this is a

697
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,920
very good whiskey.
I also don't think it's

698
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,440
overpriced, you know what I
mean?

699
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,320
Like, it's kind of cool to be
able to do this at 20 bucks.

700
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,120
Yeah, it's probably a pretty
good mixer too.

701
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,840
I don't know.
I've talked myself into it,

702
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,000
Brad.
I'm going to give it a 7 out of

703
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,680
10 on value.
Yeah, I'm in a similar place.

704
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,560
I'm at 6.5.
All right, so where are you at

705
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,640
overall on Jim Beam Double OAT?
I'm just under our normal

706
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,600
recommendation point.
I'm at a 32 out of 50.

707
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,680
And I'm at a 31.5.
So we're in pretty much the same

708
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,640
spot on this, Brad.
We're coming out to a 31.75 out

709
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,960
of 50 or a 63.5 out of 100.
I don't know, man.

710
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,800
Like, pretty good for what it
is, yeah.

711
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,440
Is this a recommend?
I I think it is like don't go,

712
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,560
don't buy it at the bar.
But like, if you want a cheap

713
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,920
whiskey that has a little bit of
nuance and flavour to it, like

714
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,680
yeah, it's 20 bucks man, go for
it.

715
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,360
It's pretty hard to not
recommend a $20 whiskey.

716
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,920
Yeah, yeah, there's not a lot
that we've really shield away

717
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,400
from.
Now, is this even remotely in

718
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,440
the league of your Rebel One
hundreds?

719
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,240
Absolutely not, no.
No.

720
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,480
But that is punching way above
its weight class.

721
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,440
And this is punching right at
its weight class.

722
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,800
You know what I mean?
Like, if you're buying a $20

723
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,080
whiskey, you already know what
you're getting into.

724
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,240
And I'm here to tell you, this
is that's exactly what you're

725
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,840
getting here.
There's no surprises here.

726
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,200
It's kind of like the The JJ
Abrams Force Awakens of

727
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,160
whiskeys.
It really is, man.

728
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,560
You're not wrong.
All right.

729
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,120
So that is the first of five
reviews of Jim Beam that we're

730
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,080
going to be doing to end out our
season.

731
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,080
I think we've started in an OK
spot, Brad.

732
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,960
If they're all like this, then
we might be looking at a new

733
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,200
budget.
Favorite brand here.

734
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,480
Yeah, 100% man.
I, I'm, I think we're in a good

735
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,040
place with the double oak.
All right, dude, let's get back

736
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,760
into talking Star Wars.
What do you say?

737
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Now I'm ready, man.
All right, everybody.

738
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,880
That was Jim Beam, Double Oaked.
And Bob, do you know what goes

739
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,200
good with whiskey?
What Brad?

740
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,280
More whiskey.
Yes it does.

741
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,960
Great answer.
I I thought you might think so.

742
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,640
You really had me stumped there
for a minute.

743
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,640
So back in the day we drank, and
this might be way back in the

744
00:42:53,640 --> 00:43:00,520
day, maybe season 2, we drank
some Penelope Rose cask finish.

745
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,560
Now this is their bourbon that
is finished in a rose cask.

746
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,360
I, I don't remember if it said
how long it's finished, but man

747
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,160
I remember drinking it back in
the day really loving it.

748
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:17,600
They have just sent us another
bottle of a newer version

749
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,360
iteration of the Rose cask
finish and here we are not only

750
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,480
drinking Jim Beam Double Oat,
but I'm I'm going to wash that

751
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,680
down with a little Penelope Rose
cast finish.

752
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,080
Yeah, I think that's a great
idea, man.

753
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,200
So we just got this in the mail
a couple days ago.

754
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,560
It's always wonderful when a
brand is willing to send both

755
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,920
Brad and myself a sample of
whiskey.

756
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,360
Because we live 100 miles apart,
we record remotely.

757
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,280
If only one of us gets a sample,
then we have to wait until we

758
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,120
see each other in person to
divvy it up.

759
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,360
It can take a long time and we
want to honor Penelope for being

760
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,200
awesome supporters of our show
for a really long time.

761
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,080
As I recall, Brad, when we when
we drank through that sample

762
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,440
pack of different Penelope
expressions, the Rose cask

763
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,560
finish was our favorite one and
it's been a minute since we've

764
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,720
had it.
This is now batch eight of the

765
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,760
Rose cask finish.
I know that at one point they

766
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,720
also made a barrel proof version
of the Rose, which sounds

767
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:15,800
freaking fantastic.
But yeah, this is a four grain

768
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,720
bourbon finished in rose casks.
It clocks in at 94 proof, so

769
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:22,840
just a little bit higher than
what we were just drinking.

770
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,960
And Brad, I mean, just real
quick, let me say this smells

771
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,160
like, do you remember when
lifesavers made those cream

772
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,880
savers for a while?
Dude, I don't know if they made

773
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,080
one that had a grape flavor, but
it's it reminds me of like if

774
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:43,560
they could take really bright
grape, almost champagne Y notes

775
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,200
and then make a cream saver
version of that.

776
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,240
It is just decadently sweet on
the nose man, And I'm I'm loving

777
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:53,720
the flavor of it as well.
Yeah, no, I not that I was a

778
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:57,640
connoisseur or anything, but I
believe they had an orange

779
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,560
creamsicle and a.
Like a Raspberry, I remember

780
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,720
the.
Creamsicle and they were both

781
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:09,440
stunningly good, if any of you
patrons out there know if they

782
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,960
still make cream Sabres and want
to send us a bag.

783
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,600
Oh man.
I could go for some cream

784
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,640
Sabres, Bob, Here's the deal.
This rose cask finish is

785
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,080
incredible.
Like there is.

786
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:26,000
So there are so many beautiful
grape notes that I think are

787
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,920
heightened by the fact that it's
finished in the Rose cask.

788
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:34,520
Like too often with cab
finishes, it just gets really

789
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,960
dark and heavy and kind of
overtakes the whiskey element.

790
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,720
I think that the Rose has such a
nice light finish to it that it

791
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:47,400
it truly does what a finishing
element should do with whiskey,

792
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,720
and it accents the whiskey more
than it overwhelms it.

793
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,040
Brad, I could not have said any
of that better myself.

794
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,160
This is an automatic thumbs up.
When we got this PR e-mail that

795
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,000
they were doing a new batch and
that they were offering samples,

796
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,800
I was like, absolutely.
It's been way too long since

797
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,040
I've had that on my shelf.
So thank you so much, Penelope.

798
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,640
Brad, I am now full of whiskey.
Let's get back into talking

799
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,280
about this movie.
And I think in order to do that,

800
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,920
we need to get to our game for
the day, which we call 2 facts

801
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,360
and a falsehood.
Brad is gonna try to stump your

802
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,760
ball to a right and what is
wrong?

803
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,560
2 facts and a falsehood.
Two facts and a falsehood is the

804
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,120
part of the program where Brad
presents me with three items as

805
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,600
fact about the making of this
movie, one of which is a

806
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,600
complete lie.
Brad, I am currently sitting at

807
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,160
15 and 12 on the season.
I am really hovering on the

808
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,880
precipice of blowing this thing.
Man.

809
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,280
I want to get that 16th win so
badly, and Star Wars is not the

810
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,480
IP to get me there, man.
I'm very worried.

811
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,160
Yeah, I, I'm actually kind of
excited for this little stretch.

812
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,800
I, I think I have a few good
tricks up my sleeve and we'll

813
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,360
just see, see where it goes.
But you know, to God be the

814
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,840
glory in all things.
And, and we'll, we'll see what

815
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,640
the team can do for us.
All right man, hit me with those

816
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,360
two facts and a falsehood.
Fact #1 John Williams was for

817
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,800
the first time on a Star Wars
film, considered a Co composer,

818
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,480
or credited I should say, as a
Co composer.

819
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,120
Conrad Pope is credited as a
composer as well, although he

820
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,360
claims that he did only quote 2%
of the work.

821
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,200
Fact #2 John Williams received
his 50th Oscar nomination for

822
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,880
scoring this film.
He's only the second person in

823
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,200
history to receive 50 or more
nominations, the first being

824
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:49,400
Walt Disney with 59 nominations.
Fact #3 This is the first JJ

825
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,680
Abrams film not to be scored by
Michael Giacchino as the Star

826
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,160
Wars franchise composer John
Williams returned to score the

827
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,560
film.
Coincidentally, Giacchino scored

828
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:04,120
Jurassic World in 2015, a sequel
to Jurassic Park and the and the

829
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,320
Lost World, Jurassic Park, which
were both scored by John

830
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,280
Williams.
Wow.

831
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:16,600
OK, your boy Johnny Williams is
the only redeeming thing about

832
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,800
this movie, Bob.
Yeah, sounds like it all right

833
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,720
#1 immediately stands out to me
because I don't remember hearing

834
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:25,720
anything about him Co composing
this.

835
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:29,720
This is really interesting.
I know that number two is a fat

836
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:33,600
well, I, I should say, I know
that John Williams has had at

837
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,600
least 50 nominations now.
And I know that the only other

838
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,560
person to do that is Walt
Disney.

839
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:44,360
Whether that means this was his
50th one, I don't know.

840
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,960
Maybe you made that little
tidbit up.

841
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,400
The third one sounds very
plausible and was very involved.

842
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,880
And so I think that maybe you
didn't make that one up because

843
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,280
that was a lot.
That was a long walk for a short

844
00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:01,680
drink of water, that fact was.
And I I'm not known for a long

845
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,000
walk for a short drink of water,
Bob.

846
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,520
No, you're not.
Not when it comes to making up

847
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,880
facts.
That is rude.

848
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,920
I'm going to go with my gut.
My gut has been wrong 85% of the

849
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,800
time this season.
I'm just going to say #1 is the

850
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,880
falsehood because I think that
he scored this one and he scored

851
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,880
the Last Jedi without a Co
composer.

852
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,520
So that's, that's my gut.
Let's see what happens.

853
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,160
Number one's the falsehood.
Locked in.

854
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,320
Locked in, baby.
Locked in baby Bob, you have

855
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,360
reached 500I.
Did it?

856
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,920
Congratulations, you win
nothing.

857
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,840
As you know, this is all I have
in life, Brad.

858
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,960
So I put all of my hopes on
reaching 500 on the season, and

859
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,320
I did it with, what, four more
movies to spare?

860
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:56,200
Yeah, you're this is.
Great you're this is easy

861
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,640
cruising from here I.
Could hit twenty wins this year.

862
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,840
Yeah, you're you're on a gravy
train, baby.

863
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,120
Thanks, John Williams.
He is the man.

864
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,280
All right, dude, let's get back
into talking about the movie

865
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,360
itself.
We left off without talking

866
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,520
about Daisy Ridley and or John
Boyega.

867
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,360
Now I had a very long trip for
work the last couple weeks and I

868
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,400
like to listen to podcasts when
I drive long distances and I

869
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,440
listened to one particular
podcast that is a celebrity

870
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,760
podcast that I will not plug
here because they don't need my

871
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,680
help.
But there was an episode where

872
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,280
the celebrities interviewed John
Williams, and I listened to that

873
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:34,520
whole thing.
It was fantastic.

874
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:37,760
And then the next one that came
up after John Williams was Daisy

875
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,880
Ridley.
She's promoting a new movie that

876
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,360
she's just made for Disney.
And they were both very

877
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,280
insightful.
And it was really cool to listen

878
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,080
to her story about how, you
know, her big break was this

879
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,480
film.
I guess let's start with her

880
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,440
because, you know, she is the
Luke Skywalker of this trilogy.

881
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,720
I'm going to ask you A2 fold
question, Brad.

882
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,560
What do you think of the
character of Rey?

883
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,960
And then, divorced from that,
what do you think of Daisy

884
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:12,960
Ridley's performance?
Man, I think that the character

885
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:18,080
of Rey is really boring in the
hands of JJ Abrams.

886
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,320
I, I, I think that he relies on
her kind of looking cool more

887
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:29,560
than her being interesting, and
there's just not enough for her

888
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,880
to work with.
I think that the actress Daisy

889
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:38,320
Ridley is just OK.
I don't love her performance.

890
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:45,160
She feels the way she moves
doesn't feel smooth or natural.

891
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,800
Like.
Physically, yeah.

892
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:48,960
Oh, interesting.
OK.

893
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:54,160
Yeah, I I think that physically
she just kind of feels tight,

894
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,440
like like nothing feels loose
and, and fluid.

895
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,880
She like mechanical kind of.
Yes, yeah, 100%.

896
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,200
OK.
Is it like when we watch the

897
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,800
Harry Potter movies and when
they're like 11, you can tell

898
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,680
that they don't know what to do
with their hands and stuff like

899
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,320
that?
What's what's her name?

900
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,640
Bonnie.
And I almost said Bonnie Hunt.

901
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,880
No, it's not Bonnie Hunt.
But yes, I.

902
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,400
Ginny Ron Weasley's small,
smaller sister, Bonnie.

903
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:25,560
Played by Bonnie.
If they made an American version

904
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:30,320
of Harry Potter, Bonnie Hunt
would be Mrs. Weasley.

905
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,560
No, I want I want her to be
Ginny now, like with no

906
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,360
explanation.
It's just there's a bunch of 11

907
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,640
year olds and then her to be
taller than.

908
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,040
But yes, I get what you're
saying.

909
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,120
I I didn't have that experience.
And I think that pretty

910
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,680
crucially, JJ Abrams does a
really, really good job of

911
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,320
knowing when to give his stars
star making shots.

912
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,960
So like I said, you know, Kylo
Ren doesn't have a lot of cool

913
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,840
iconography around him because
they they kind of undermine that

914
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,360
with his character.
I think for both Daisy Ridley

915
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,600
and John Boyega, they get their
really cool moments of like, we

916
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,920
are going to turn this person
into a movie star.

917
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,560
And I think Daisy Ridley has the
goods, man.

918
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,080
She is.
She's kind of constantly being

919
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,160
either emotionally or physically
tortured throughout most of this

920
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,880
movie.
And I think that she reflects

921
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,920
that really well as an actress.
Now where I have a problem with

922
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,240
it is exactly what you said
about her character.

923
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:32,400
Her character is boring AF dude.
Like she has you don't learn

924
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,840
anything about her.
And then that's why I really

925
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,040
like what Rian Johnson does with
her character and with Kylo

926
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,840
Ren's manipulation of her in the
second movie, because there's

927
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,800
like, it's a tabula rasa, dude.
Like there's nothing going on

928
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,080
here.
You know, that her parents were

929
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,320
junk traders and that they
abandoned her and that's all you

930
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,880
know about her.
And so for her being the quote

931
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,480
UN quote star of this saga, I
think you got to give us a

932
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,200
little bit more to her character
because as it stands, and here's

933
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,240
my Segway, John Boyega is the
star of this movie.

934
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:08,160
Dude, like his character arc is
the one that we see on screen.

935
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,360
His back story is the one that
we see on screen.

936
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,920
And even though everybody in
this movie apparently exists to

937
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:20,160
serve Rey, he's the one that
gets the cool ass like John

938
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,800
Wayne in Stagecoach push in shot
when he first picks up a

939
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,040
lightsaber and he's about to go
hand to hand with Kylo Ren.

940
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,720
I'm like, oh, this dude's a
movie star.

941
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,720
He's got the goods, and I think
JJ Abrams knew it, and I think

942
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:37,800
everybody knew it, and that
makes it even suckier what

943
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,000
happens to his character as the
trilogy goes along, because he

944
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,560
really gets thrown under the
bus.

945
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,320
But as far as this movie goes,
yes, Daisy Ridley is really,

946
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,560
really good.
Dude.

947
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,280
John Boyega was like next level
for me.

948
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,600
No, come on.
Dude, John John Byega, I his

949
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,480
performance is fine.
I like I like him well enough

950
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,920
with his performance.
I think that he is given a crap

951
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:09,640
sandwich of horrible dialogue,
horrible comedy that doesn't fit

952
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,320
the universe.
I don't think it fits the

953
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:17,120
character that there's so many
things where his character feels

954
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,000
so inconsistent and
uninteresting because of it,

955
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,360
because I like you can't take
him seriously as a character,

956
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,360
Bob.
He's either just a complete

957
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:32,280
buffoon class clown who's just
joking around and making really

958
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,440
weird uninteresting jokes, or
he's trying to pretend to be a

959
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,800
hero.
And like, honestly, he feels

960
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,440
more like a Han Solo character
than Poe because he's just like

961
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,040
kind of roguish.
I'm going to kind of lie to get

962
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:50,520
my way, but or he's trying to
actually be a hero and and not

963
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,080
because there's so many
different directions his

964
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,760
character goes in, it just all
is ruined.

965
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:03,520
And, and like, I want to help
Daisy Ridley because I'm

966
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,760
interested in her and I'm trying
to be the hero, but then I'm

967
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,560
going to run away on this spice
freighter and be a mercenary.

968
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,720
But then I'm going to absolutely
lose my mind that Daisy Ridley

969
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:18,440
gets caught and and sacrifice
everything to go save her.

970
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:25,040
Like the character as written is
so inconsistent that Boyega

971
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,840
can't overcome it with a decent
performance.

972
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,400
I agree with that actually, and
I think that's part of why I

973
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,800
wonder if his character and all
the characters got kind of

974
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,040
trimmed back a little bit
because he has to take such huge

975
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,000
emotional leaps that it kind of
still makes sense.

976
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,480
Like the outline of where his
arc is supposed to go still

977
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,400
makes sense.
This girl Ray was his only

978
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,560
friend and the only person
whoever saw him as anything more

979
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,880
than whatever, you know, FN
whatever his number was as a

980
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,480
stormtrooper.
And so even though he decides to

981
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:02,000
abandon her when he sees her get
captured, it it switches

982
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,240
something in him that is
irreversible.

983
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:08,440
And I like, I understand that,
but you're right, in the context

984
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,880
of the movie, it's like we just
watched him kind of callously

985
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,760
walk out on her and then
immediately he's like, no, Ray,

986
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,880
like writhing on the ground.
And yeah, yeah.

987
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,680
And I don't think that's
necessarily his fault.

988
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,680
And I think he sells it as best
he can.

989
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,720
But this, this gets me back to
the JJ stuff, man.

990
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,320
Like.
What is?

991
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,960
What is the point of this movie?
Like, what is this movie

992
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,080
accomplishing?
You know, and and I don't mean

993
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,800
to draw comparisons to A New
Hope because I still think that

994
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,800
movie is a little bit underbaked
in the context of Star Star

995
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,120
Wars.
But this movie feels even less

996
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:51,280
baked, like it's it's setting up
characters for ATV show where

997
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,840
you're the whole pilot is just
like, let's tease what can be

998
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,320
and not really actually
accomplish anything.

999
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,160
I don't feel I walked out of
this movie feeling like, oh, OK,

1000
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,560
like that.
That was you trying to like whet

1001
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:09,000
my appetite for Star Wars, but
that seemed like A2 plus hour

1002
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,160
trailer for a trilogy that
hasn't come yet.

1003
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,880
Do you know what I mean?
Like it just feels narratively

1004
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,040
empty to me.
Yeah, nothing interesting

1005
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,200
happens in the movie and
honestly this might sound crazy

1006
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,160
coming from a long term Star
Wars fan.

1007
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:33,520
I don't know if they should have
put Carrie Fisher and Mark

1008
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,240
Hamill and Harrison Ford in the
movie.

1009
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,560
You they seem like they're
trying to prop up the lack of

1010
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:45,080
development by just continually
being like, oh, look, we've got

1011
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,560
Chewbacca.
Here he is.

1012
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,400
Yes, and honestly, like
Chewbacca, weirdly I think I'd

1013
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,240
be more OK with being in the
film somewhere.

1014
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,800
The the problem with the three
main characters from the

1015
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:03,200
original films is that like I
know within the universe time

1016
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,840
has passed, but like when
Harrison Ford runs on to the

1017
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:14,160
Millennium Falcon, I don't see
Han Solo anymore, I see Harrison

1018
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,960
Ford.
Well, and it also, it's the kind

1019
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,960
of entrance that do you
remember, you remember when we

1020
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,520
would like watch sitcoms as a
kid, whether it was like Full

1021
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,360
House or whatever, and they'd
have like a random B list

1022
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,360
celebrity show up.
It'd be like MC Hammer and like

1023
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,520
everybody be like, like, what's
he doing at Stephanie Tanner's

1024
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,560
house?
Yeah, and it just feels like

1025
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,000
there should have been a live in
studio audience that applauded

1026
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,520
when Han Solo ran onto the ship.
Like, oh, we're doing this thing

1027
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:43,600
now.
Yep.

1028
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,680
I will say though, the only
narrative thread in this movie

1029
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:51,920
that I found really compelling
was the Harrison Ford, Kylo Ren.

1030
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,840
You know, to some extent Carrie
Fisher, but definitely like the

1031
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:59,880
Han Solo and Ben Solo storyline
because let's be honest,

1032
00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:02,480
Harrison Ford, great actor,
knocks it out of the park.

1033
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,760
He shows up and is like, give me
my paycheck and also when you,

1034
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,440
when it, when the paycheck
clears, I'll give you 1 great

1035
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,320
scene.
And then they put him on that

1036
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,680
bridge and between him and
Driver.

1037
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:15,720
Dude, I'm going to be honest
with you.

1038
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,400
I had that moment spoiled for me
before I saw the movie and so I

1039
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,200
knew it was coming, which really
sucked.

1040
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,000
It's been so long since I've
seen the movie, though, that

1041
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,720
even though I knew it was coming
this time, I didn't have that

1042
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,240
little nagging voice in the back
of my head saying like, here it

1043
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:32,520
comes, here it comes, here it
comes.

1044
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:38,240
And it's genuinely shocking.
They build it up so much that

1045
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,920
you really think there's a
glimmer of hope that Ben Solo

1046
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,800
might come home.
And then to watch this dude get

1047
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,600
run through with a freaking
lightsaber, It really did go

1048
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,120
like, I was like, no, don't do
that, man, come on.

1049
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,240
Like, even though I knew it was
coming and I have to give credit

1050
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,480
to everyone involved there, even
JJ, it's a great moment.

1051
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,640
I would agree with you that it's
a great moment.

1052
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,680
I think it was one of the least
shocking moments in Star Wars

1053
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:07,320
history.
You.

1054
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:12,760
Could tell it was coming.
Bro come on, like this is movie

1055
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,080
one.
We all know that something

1056
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,080
dramatic is going to happen to
twist them into the second.

1057
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:24,600
Like I I'm sorry man.
It felt so obvious to me that he

1058
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:30,200
was going to kill Han Solo.
For me, it was like, come on,

1059
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:34,880
like don't just use the
characters that we know and love

1060
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:40,080
for you to prop up your own
movie unless it feels deserved.

1061
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:44,800
And I I'm not going to say that
it it like felt completely

1062
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,640
ridiculous or out there.
I think it's just hard to go

1063
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,440
back and know the full back
story and feel like it was

1064
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,360
deserved.
But like within the mythos of

1065
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:02,520
just this film without the next
two being out there, like I I

1066
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:07,760
think they do a decent job of
setting up Kylo and Han and the

1067
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,040
animosity.
So like, I'm OK with him killing

1068
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,320
him here.
Wasn't my favorite thing, but it

1069
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:19,520
it wasn't a surprise.
All right, man, I think we've

1070
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,400
kind of spoken our piece on this
movie.

1071
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,720
Is there anything else that you
need to get off your chest with

1072
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,880
it before we get into let's make
it a double.

1073
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,320
This is a it's a it's a New Hope
Bob.

1074
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,120
Like I know I started the
episode with that, but the fact

1075
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,560
that they can't come up with
anything original within the

1076
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,400
universe of Star Wars is so
frustrating to me.

1077
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,360
Like, you know, we're going to
watch Rogue one a week from now.

1078
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,080
And I, I, I liked Rogue One more
than the first Awakens, I think.

1079
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:52,280
But even that, it's like we're,
we're just going to take A1

1080
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:57,760
offline from A New Hope or well,
whenever they talk.

1081
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,280
Yeah.
In A New Hope, when she says a

1082
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,960
lot of agents died to get us
this information, we're going to

1083
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,880
make an entire movie based off
that one line, which, you know,

1084
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,680
I'm fine with.
But then even in that movie,

1085
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:12,240
there are so many elements that
feel so similar to other Star

1086
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:13,880
Wars movies.
I'm kind of like Disney.

1087
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,080
Like if you're going to let
people take a chance with it,

1088
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,560
keep the core elements of what
makes Star Wars, Star Wars and

1089
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:27,520
then slowly expand the universe
from there with it might sound

1090
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:32,360
silly, but what I said earlier,
like the fact that Kylo can use

1091
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,400
the force in like small, fun,
unique ways.

1092
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:40,680
Like things like that are
interesting and even, you know,

1093
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,360
like bring in new types of
fighter ships and new, like

1094
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,240
bring in cool new things that
add to the world building that

1095
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:52,560
Lucas gave us but don't change
like the core elements of what

1096
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,880
makes a Star Wars movie a Star
Wars movie.

1097
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,200
That's why I'm really interested
to talk to you about The Last

1098
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,920
Jedi, because it's really hard
for me as a guy, as a non Star

1099
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,840
Wars fan, to understand where
exactly the frustrations start

1100
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,880
with a Star Wars fan with that
movie.

1101
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,520
Because I know people think that
he kind of like threw the baby

1102
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,040
out with the bathwater.
But when I watch that movie, I

1103
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,240
really do think like, oh, he
opened up this universe to

1104
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:20,280
possibilities that that JJ
Abrams was unwilling to give us.

1105
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,720
Like just simply the fact of
like, you don't have to be from

1106
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,320
a royal bloodline to have the
Force.

1107
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,960
Like look at all these
younglings that Anakin killed in

1108
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,480
the in the first the prequel
trilogy, Like they they weren't

1109
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,960
all related to him, you know
what I mean?

1110
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,440
And I think that things like
that, yes, maybe some of the

1111
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,440
swings he took, he struck out
on, but I like that he was at

1112
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,880
least trying to do things that
we hadn't yet seen in a Star

1113
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,680
Wars film to that point.
And so, you know, we can set

1114
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,840
that aside for now.
I'm excited to talk to you about

1115
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,440
that.
But I'm with you, dude.

1116
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,600
JJ really played it safe in this
movie.

1117
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:57,520
And he did very little both
narratively and in terms of the

1118
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,360
film making to freshen things
up.

1119
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,800
And I think that is a perfect
segue into.

1120
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,760
Let's make it a double.
We're near the end of the

1121
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,120
episodes of Things, listening to
the film and Whiskey Show.

1122
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,680
Let's pair another film with
this one, even if it's

1123
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,560
struggling.
It's a final segment of the day.

1124
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,040
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is the

1125
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,480
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1126
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,520
to make the perfect double
feature?

1127
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,680
Brad, I'm going to go first
because it's it's probably the

1128
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,800
most cop out I've ever had a cop
out.

1129
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:32,320
I finished Force Awakens and I
was like, Dang, that really had

1130
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,280
some deficiencies.
I want to immediately watch Last

1131
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,760
Jedi because I want, I know Last
Jedi is not a perfect movie, but

1132
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,600
I want to be able to articulate
why I prefer it to this.

1133
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:49,720
And so it was like a, a very
natural, I need to pair that up

1134
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,560
with The Last Jedi.
If for nothing else, then I can

1135
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,800
have it on the top of mind why I
like Last Jedi better.

1136
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,640
So it will probably be a very
frustrating double feature for

1137
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,720
many people to watch those two
movies back-to-back, but I

1138
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,560
couldn't think of another movie
to watch with The Force Awakens,

1139
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,600
then The Last Jedi.
I am going to pair it with a

1140
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,840
movie that I think nobody should
watch because it's boring and

1141
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,240
uninteresting.
I'm going to pair it with Free

1142
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:24,520
guy Ryan Reynolds NPC movie.
That movie got a lot of crap,

1143
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,360
and it was like, and we've
talked about this before, Brad,

1144
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,280
but like, everything to me feels
so cut from the same cloth

1145
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,360
anymore.
Every superhero movie, every IP

1146
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,480
comedy, everything with Ryan
Reynolds, they're all the same

1147
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,800
movie.
And I think every movie is like

1148
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,840
a variation on a six out of 10
movie.

1149
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,360
And so I walked out of that
movie being like, yeah, it was a

1150
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,360
six out of 10.
That's exactly what I expected

1151
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,640
it to be.
People freaking hated that movie

1152
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,920
though.
Yeah, I I despised it.

1153
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,800
I don't remember why I watched
it, but terrible movie.

1154
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,360
And, and the main reason I'm
going to pair it is because of

1155
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,480
what you just said.
It's a complete lack of

1156
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,560
innovation.
It's a complete lack of having

1157
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:09,120
anything interesting to say
about the world and, and like

1158
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,520
adding to the world of cinema.
And, and I think that's kind of

1159
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,040
what Disney has done with the
Star Wars franchise.

1160
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,680
All right, well, gosh, this
sounds like we're going to just

1161
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,720
absolutely crater this film on
our final scores, Brad.

1162
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:29,240
I think on a story development
level, this is like a 5 1/2 out

1163
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,360
of 10.
On a fun characters store like

1164
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,960
level, this is like a six out of
10.

1165
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,880
I think it's like a 6 1/2 movie
that I just feel so met about,

1166
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:45,480
but it's certainly not inept.
It is made well enough in every

1167
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,600
single facet.
And I think when I think about

1168
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:52,480
like a well enough movie, that's
a 2 1/2 stars for me.

1169
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,360
And so I think that's where I'm
going to land here.

1170
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,400
It's a it's a 6 1/2 out of 10
for me.

1171
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,440
Yeah, I, I'm in a really similar
place.

1172
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,600
I want this movie to be good.
And I, and I know that a lot of

1173
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,120
Star Wars fans kind of get
criticized for just wanting to

1174
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,680
be critical.
And I'm sure that there are some

1175
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,800
who are like that, Bob.
I, I want to have fun with Star

1176
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,800
Wars movies.
Like, I, I overlook a lot of

1177
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:22,120
flaws that George Lucas has with
as a director because he creates

1178
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:28,399
incredibly beautiful, really fun
and, and great iconic moments

1179
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,160
that are just awesome and, and
really cool and fun to watch.

1180
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:37,160
And, and I, I think Disney has
just neutered all of that

1181
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,560
innovation completely.
And so I, I want to give this a

1182
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:41,880
good score.
I want to enjoy it.

1183
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,359
I wanted to enjoy it when it
came out in 2015.

1184
01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:49,399
I was so jacked for that movie
and yet here we are.

1185
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,960
So I, I, I'll give it a six out
of 10.

1186
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:57,479
I think it's OK, but I I want
there to be so much more man.

1187
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:03,920
All right, so we are coming to a
6.25 out of 10 on The Force

1188
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,800
Awakens, but we want to know
what you think.

1189
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,720
Are we too harsh on this one?
Are we not harsh enough?

1190
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,880
You can find us on all of our
social medias, Facebook,

1191
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,960
Twitter, Instagram, TikTok,
YouTube.

1192
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:18,399
Brad, I've actually created a
LinkedIn page for us now for all

1193
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:21,000
you professionals out there.
Oh my goodness.

1194
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,279
Let us know on any of those
social medias.

1195
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:27,800
You can find us at Film Whiskey.
Can can I get added as an as an

1196
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,720
employee at Film and Whiskey?
No Dang it.

1197
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,960
OK, well if you want to join the
conversation that Bob clearly

1198
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,640
doesn't want any of us to be a
part of, you can find us on

1199
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,640
Discord.
You can get the link at the end

1200
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,600
of any single one of our show
notes.

1201
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,120
Next week we'll be back talking
more Star Wars when it comes to

1202
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,120
the film Rogue One.
We'll be joined by a very

1203
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:53,560
special guest for that one as
well.

1204
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,960
But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

1205
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,600
And we'll see you next time.