Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse / George T. Stagg Bourbon

0:00 In 2018, Sony Animation Studios and star Shameek Moore gave the world a flashy new entry into the webbed world of Spider Man. In 2024, we hop aboard the BTAC bandwagon. The film is Spider Man into the spider verse. The whiskey is George T Stagg. We'll review them both. This is. The Film and Whiskey podcast music Welcome to the film and whiskey podcast, where each week we review a classic movie and a glass of whiskey.

0:52 I'm Bob Book. I'm Brad Gee. And this is week number three of our new season where we are exploring modern classics and we're asking the question, does this movie deserve to be part of the 21st century Canon? Brad, we're 2 movies in and we're about to review 1/3. How are you feeling about our selection so far? To be honest, Bob, I feel like we started at the top and then like we tumbled down into like Green Book territory. Very much so, Yep. Right, like a good movie, fun, well made, well crafted, good script. But like, definitely in the annals of like, Oh yeah, that was a movie territory. And now Bob, this week I feel like I heard more about Spider Man into the Spider verse than almost any other animated film since Frozen.

1:50 Yeah, I I mean this one took the world by storm and as per the use, I did not see it. So I don't mean to be the revisionist history guy here, but I was just going through the Wikipedia page for this movie. And by the way, folks, we're reviewing Spider Man into the spider verse today. Just going through the Wikipedia page and it said it only made like 390 mil worldwide, which is hilarious that I have to say only but I really thought that this movie was a global phenomenon and in the USI think it made like 190 or something. It it was it wasn't anywhere near what your worst MCU movie was doing at the time. And so I 'cause I also remember it being like, Oh my gosh, this is something new.

2:36 This is something fresh. This is something we've never seen before in the realm of superhero film. And I think that when the second movie in this franchise, Across the Spider Verse came out in 23, that people kind of like retroactively read back onto this movie that these had been huge, enormous hits. And this movie was a hit, but apparently not as many people saw it as you. And I remember. It's like the the Berenstain Bears Mandela Effect thing happening a little bit. I still don't totally understand the Mandela Effect. Like I've, I've looked up multiple instances of it, you know, like the Berenstain Bears. And I'm like, I, I think that people just misremembered things.

3:23 Yes. But why? Why do people freak out about that? I think, I think people just like to think that they're more important than they are. And so if, if, if lots of people misremember something, it can't just be that we are all human and fallible and that certain things are just easy to misremember. It's that there has to be some sort of global conspiracy causing us to misremember. It's like the what was the the Ashton Kutcher movie, the the butterfly effect? Yes, is is that is that what's happening here? Dude, I'm so glad that you knew 'cause when you start a sentence with what was the Ashton Kutcher movie, I got nothing. I don't know man, you're on your own here. Have we ever reviewed an Ashton Kutcher movie on this? Podcast don't believe so, man, and we're going to keep that streak alive.

4:14 We need to make that a priority. Bob, I don't think so. All right, dude, let's talk a little bit about Into the Spider verse. Brad, what is your history with this movie? You said you had never seen it, so was this your first time watching it? God no, I still have not seen the movie. Just just coming in blind, baby. Truly, truly blind. You're just. You're just posting on Vibes today. No, I, this was my first time watching it. I was able to watch almost all of it in one go. I, I think I, I had to stop for a little bit. I think that my first time with this movie being this viewing, I, I was thrown off by the animation style for a little bit.

5:00 I still don't know if it's my favorite. I like, I can see how a lot of people would like it, but I don't know, there was something about it that just didn't totally work for me. And that's like totally OK. I, I still think it's like a beautifully made movie, but I, I don't know if this is like too harsh out of the gates. I just don't know if I love the animation style. So I'm kind of with you in especially on my first viewing, I saw this movie in the theater, and I think I've told you this before, but the final stretch of that last battle in the particle Collider legitimately gave me motion sickness. I've never had this happen in a movie before. I was, I was seriously nauseous leaving this film and I couldn't make heads or tails of what I had just seen because it was so much of A sensory overload. But I do remember the uniqueness of the animation style, and this is something that came up again last year with the sequel film. I think we might as well, even before we dive into Brad explains, let's talk a little bit about this animation style, why it may or may not work because it really does set the tone for the whole conversation we're going to have today. Because this is the animated Spider Man. Like this is the one we're going to talk about. It's what sets it apart from other Spider Man films. The fact that they're live action in this one is not. So at one point, this movie had 177 different animators working on it.

6:23 It is like whether it looks cheap to you or not, Brad. And I bring that up because at one point you sent me a text that said this movie looks cheap. And I kind of get what you're saying. But it's also like, well, it might look a certain way, but it looks that way on purpose because I know you don't have that many people animating. And unless there's an intent behind it, one of the cool things this movie does is that they they're, they call it stepped animation or stepped motion, where they will animate certain elements or certain characters in a scene in 24 frames a second, which is your standard frame rate for animation because it's like where your eye can stop perceiving the differences between frames and it all flows fluidly.

7:07 Other characters they animated in like either 18 or 12 frames per second so that they were only moving every other frame. And it gives it kind of that jittery stepped look to it. And I like it's it's kind of disorienting and, you know, you kind of notice that it's happening, but you can't put your finger on it. And then you read about it after the fact and you're like, oh, OK. They they do it a couple times in this movie to really good effect. They animate the main character, Miles Morales, in 12 frames a second and all the other spider man in 24 as a way of showing like how much more fluid they are with what they're doing. It's interesting. But again, like it's such a different, unique, sometimes weird, sometimes off putting animation style that I can understand why someone's visceral reaction to it is like this. I don't like this.

7:59 Yeah, it reminds me of when I went to see the first Hobbit in theaters and it literally felt like Bilbo was in like 1.5 X like sprinting around his little Hobbit hole. Because of the high frame rate thing. Yeah. And, and so I, I kind of experienced that in this movie, but like you said, it was like half the screen was going too fast and half of the screen was going too slow. And I just, I like within the confines of this movie specifically, it makes sense why they do this. I I just don't know if it's totally for me. Yeah, and that's totally OK.

8:40 You know what I mean? Like there's and there's elements of this movie that are so influential now, but I've seen them replicate this when when the most recent Puss in Boots movie came out that was nominated for best animated film last year, they do this exact same thing with the frame rate. There's a movie coming out or that has just come out called The Wild Robot, and they really replicate the sort of watercolor look of that children's book. But it reminds me a lot of how they do the the weird textures on things in Spider Man Inside Out to a movie that I really like, Pixar. It's kind of crazy that Pixar is now like following somebody else's trend. But there are characters in that movie that are animated in traditional 2D animation styles that are just like pasted into the 3D World of Inside Out.

9:29 So in we know within this movie you've got the frame rate thing, you've got in Miles Morales, his dimension. Everything kind of has that weird video game glitch thing where all the edges are multi colored and that's kind of disorienting. It almost looks like when you are watching a 3D movie and you take your glasses off and they have that weird glitch effect to it. And then you also have different animation styles for for each character. Some of them are like anime, some of them are Looney Tunes. And then you have like 3D style. So it's it's a lot to take in and that's kind of setting us up for this conversation today. I. Was going to say you you mentioned the animation, the fact that it is animated as setting it apart from all the other Spider Man. I think the real thing that separates it is the fact that we have John Mulaney in a Spider Man movie. Not just in a Spider Man movie as Spider Man. Yeah, oh, spider ham he is.

10:26 Technically, yeah. I, I, I keep forgetting. Is it spider ham or spider pig? Spider ham? Spider ham. OK, Yeah. I think spider pig. You're thinking of Homer Simpson holding the pig. Up to the ceiling does whatever a spider pig pig does. All right, man. Well, now that we've brought up The Simpsons, I think it's a good place to actually get to our first segment of the day, which we call Brad explains. Brad's going to give us the movie plots with only 60 seconds sticking on the clock, so let's go ahead and do your take with this little segment that we call, Brad explains. Brad Explains is the part of the show where Brad breaks down the plot of the film that he has just seen, often for the first time.

11:08 Brad, you've seen this movie one time. I actually don't think this is going to be a very hard movie to explain. It's more visually overwhelming than narratively overwhelming. So you get 60 seconds, spoil this movie for us and go. Miles Morales is a mild mannered young man in New York City who is bit by a spider while. Oh, I I missed the opening Bob. I was going to say. Spider Man Into the Spider Verse is a film about a mild mannered young teenager named Miles Morales who is bit by a radioactive spider while tagging an underground subway stop with his uncle. He becomes a new version of Spider Man soon, upon which realizing that the real Spider Man needs his help and in the process of helping him, the real Spider Man dies, killed by Kingpin.

12:00 Miles seeks to undo the damage by enlisting the help of five other spider versions who have entered into his realm because of what Kingpin has done to try to bring his dead wife and child back. Training ensues, battles galore, and at the end of the movie, Miles Morales has embraced his new role as Spider Man. OK, where shall we start? I think maybe a good place to start is to just give a little bit of context around the production of the movie. So this movie is produced by Phil Lord and Christopher Miller. Lord and Miller have become pretty famous film producers over the last decade.

12:40 They are comedy producers and directors. Originally they kind of made their bones with the 21 Jump St. movies, which were like, I don't know how to how to quite explain it. What do you call those revisionist? I guess 21 Jump St. was a sitcom with Johnny Depp or not even a sitcom. It was a drama, a police drama with Johnny Depp back in the 80s. And they made it a buddy cop stupid funny movie with Channing Tatum and and Jonah Hill. And those movies were really successful. So then they're like, hey, Lord and Miller, what do you want to do now? And they said let's make the Lego Movie. Then they make the Lego Movie and all of the Lego spin off movies and those movies I think really set the tone for what a Lord and Miller type of movie was going to be. Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs was in there as well. These are like, just like a Bruckheimer and Don Simpson type of duo we're talking about.

13:35 Kind of in that they have like their own house style. Like these are mile a minute joke movies. I actually really don't like the the Lego movies at all because it's it's too much. It's like the way this movie is visually overwhelming. They're doing so much so frenetically with the comedy in those movies that it's like if we throw 87 jokes at you per minute, one of them has to land, right? And that's the style of those movies. And I kind of remembered some of the more, for lack of a better term, marvelly humor in this movie, kind of bleeding into that Lord and Miller style. And I have to say, like, just to start here, Brad, what I found really refreshing was, yes, there were a couple of those moments. There was almost that like Deadpool style humor where they're breaking the 4th wall and acknowledging things like can we legally say that in this movie? And, and I kind of roll my eyes at those, but I was, I found it refreshing that this was neither a Lego movie nor an MCU movie in terms of how they approached the humor. Yeah, I, I think what they do here is they take relationships seriously in this movie that the Spider Man of the film. And if there's something I really like about this movie, it's that they really take seriously the origin story of Spider Man and not necessarily like comic book, let's get the origin story right.

15:02 I'm talking about like the origin story of the Spider Man cinematic experience. Like at this point, if you make a new Spider Man movie, The first time your new Spider Man like gets the hang of swinging, he has to let loose with a massive like woo as he's swinging because Tobey Maguire did it and he did it so well. And so there's little elements like that that draw you into the drama. And and that's where Spider Man succeeds the most is the fact that underneath the mask, he's a normal person like the rest of us. And he has real relationships that are put at risk that become a struggle because of his new found powers. And I think that they capture that like subtext, the foundational element of what makes a Spider Man movie a Spider Man movie, that they capture that really well here. Yeah, I mean, I, I don't mean to make controversial statements, but I'm going to This is by far the most successful kind of rendition or iteration of Spider Man as a character since the first or second Raimi Spider Man, especially in just echoing and capturing that Peter Parker is a genuine loser. He's he's really sad.

16:23 He's unsure of himself, He doesn't trust himself. He's bad around girls. He feels in this movie he's like socially awkward because he's in a new environment where he feels othered and you know, like the the Tom Holland spider man movies never captured that like Tom Holland was an awkward teen, but like a pretty cool guy. And the Andrew Garfield movies, I don't even want to talk about how they portrayed Peter Parker like. I was gonna say the Tom Holland one, they gave him a more awkward, less cool sidekick, right, You know? To make him look cooler. Yeah, so. It's hard to imagine him as the nerdy one like the Tobey Maguire ones. You know James Franco is the the cool guy who like Stoops down to befriend Peter Parker. Well, I mean, I think the the best analog to this movie in terms of what we can compare it to is the first Tom Holland 1 Spider Man Homecoming, where so much of that film is built around his high school experience and asking a girl to homecoming.

17:22 But it never captured like both the the cringe of knowing that a guy is about to blow something when he's talking to a girl and also like that, Oh man, I remember what this was like. You know what I mean? Like I I so sympathize with this kid. And the second you get Miles Morales in this movie, putting his hand on Gwen Stacy's shoulder and trying to do the hey and it just not working at all. It's really funny, but it's incredibly endearing and I think even be before we get to anything else surrounding this movie, I think the reason this movie succeeds is that they capture that again, which was something we hadn't really seen since Raimi.

18:02 Yeah, at the end of the day, like there's a really beautiful characteristic of the Spider Man, the, the, the world of Spider Man that this is a I don't know how I want to phrase it Like it's not a perfect world. Like this isn't Superman who's perfect in every way and can solve every problem. It's not Batman who's this grizzled veteran, you know, detective with his great intellect and and all these gadgets. Like you just kind of have a kid who's trying to figure it out. And I, I think that they do a really wonderful job of portraying that in the character of Miles Morales.

18:44 I I think for me that some of the side elements of the movie feel very lacking, like they, they need fleshed out more. So I, I I think that's like one of my few issues is like, you don't know anything about his uncle. Like his uncle is are are we in spoiler territory? Yeah. OK for that, Bob. Yeah. His uncle is just suddenly one of the bad guys and you're like, they're like, do they give the impression that he might not do everything legally? Like like sure you know him and his dad, Sorry his uncle being Miles Morales, his uncle and Miles dad kind of don't see eye to eye but there is no impression given that he's going to be one of the main villains and then once you find that out he's dead like 2 minutes later and you never find out any reason why he became a villain and it just felt very rushed.

19:50 Interesting. See, that didn't bother me too much because I think that, you know, you, you can't take the context out of what's going on too, which is like, this is the first Spider man that has been a person of color. And he lives in New York City. His dad's a cop. So like, there's already that layer of like, oh, there's, there's tension there. And then they hit you with, yeah, he says something about like how how great of a guy his uncle is. And they cut back to the dad and he's like, so you know that he's up to something, probably illegal. And of course, like you're thinking, OK, maybe he's selling drugs. Maybe he, you know what I mean? Like he, he somehow came by his means illegally. And I really like the reveal that he is in fact, the is it the Prowler that they call him?

20:35 Yes, I, I really liked that. You know, you get to him like chasing Miles into his uncle's flat only for him to take the mask off. And it's his uncle. And I, I really liked that reveal. I thought that they withheld it exactly as long as they needed to because Miles finds out, you know, a day and 1/2 or whatever before the big confrontation where his uncle was killed. But that becomes his Uncle Ben origin story. And I like that. It's a subtle kind of inversion of like Uncle Ben in the dimension that we're used to was this paragon of virtue. Where has Miles Morales Uncle Ben was a supportive uncle and a good guy in terms of like encouraging Miles, but was actually a villain.

21:18 And I I really liked that reveal. I liked that kind of twist and that subversion of what we're used to. I'm with you in that like they're trying to do a lot with this movie. Like they're trying to set up the origin story. They're trying to set up who Miles Morales is over against a Peter Parker. And then they're also like, by the way, this is a multi dimensional, what do you call it, multiverse movie? And this was, this was like the first multiverse movie. This is before we did multiverses in the MCU. So it wasn't like we were all on the same page and knowing exactly what this was going to look like when we walked in the theater. I don't know, Brad, like now on the other side of all this multiverse stuff, and I know that you're not a big MCU guy, Do you feel like they did a good job with the mechanics of the interdimensional stuff? Oh 100% I think that they do the perfect amount of not explaining.

22:16 Yep like all they do is explain why Fisk is looking to make this happen. Kingpin like and that's all you need at the end of the day. Unless you are writing a true science fiction movie, in which case then you would be interested in the how? The only thing a writer, in my opinion, esteemed screenwriter that I am, the only thing that I think you should care about when it comes to technology is not how it works. It should be why it is coming into existence in the first place.

22:57 How does this affect the movie? Yeah, exactly. And, and the character of Kingpin lost his wife and child in traumatic fashion and that is why he tried to create this particle Collider to open up a multiverse and suck in another version of his wife and kid so that he can have them back in his life. Yep. I'm like, yeah, that that is an understandable reasoning. And honestly, they don't go any further in developing Kingpin's character, and they don't need to. It's kind of brilliant how, like, some of these characters are frankly underwritten, but I wouldn't call them underwritten because they give them exactly as much back story as you need. Like the the Doc Ock character in this movie is probably the most underwritten character of all of them because you just don't know anything about her except that she's a kooky scientist. And it's like, yeah, that that checks out. Like, I've seen enough Spider Man movies to know kooky scientists are a thing in this universe. So I I really do think that while they're trying to do a lot, there wasn't really a point in the movie where I found myself saying, oh man, I wish they'd developed that more. They spend exactly as much time as they need to on pretty much everything here.

24:05 Yeah, and, and it's, it's an interesting view of the world. The underlying picture of the world is like, no matter what happens in a world where Spider Man exists, there are going to be people who rise up as villains in his world. And sometimes that's going to be a woman who becomes Doc Ock and sometimes it's going to be a man who becomes Doc Ock. Like one time it's Alfred Molina and another time it's Katherine Hahn. You just, you never know how it's going to go down, man. Yeah. And and that's kind of the inverse of that is like the last lines of the movie too, which is like anybody can wear this mask. It could be you. And if if you've never heard anybody tell you that, now you know.

24:46 And I know. That means Bob anybody can be the villain. Yeah, that's true. I want to talk a little bit about how adult this movie feels at parts and why I loved that. Not an adult in that like, oh, this is my grown up superhero movie, which is what, you know what dude Bros have been trying to do for 15 years now? Like it's very much still APG movie, but it's APG movie where people get shot to death and you feel the kind of blunt impact of a bullet and how at one point Spider Man like rips a gun out of Kingpin's hand and says like, no, that's cheating. And it's funny because, you know, in most superhero fights, it's like pretend Pew Pew. We're shooting lasers out of our Iron Man hands and like, yeah, things die, but nothing ever feels real. Everything feels so weightless.

25:38 And in this movie, it's an animated movie that that feels so much more weighty than something like your Tom Holland Spider Man films, which are live action movie where the levels of violence are cartoonish. And I've just I was really struck by how a cartoon managed to depict a a much more kind of grown up. I keep saying weighty, but like, what's what's a what's a good word for it? You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, no, I mean, you have Spider Man die in this movie. Like he is literally bludgeoned to death by Kingpin and like that's brutal. And you see people get shot and killed in this movie and that's brutal. And and they don't do any, they don't have any efforts to like hide how weighty all of this is.

26:30 And I, I think that the, the animation of the film gives credence to all of it because I think if there is something they nail in the animation, it's everybody's faces. Like there's something about the way they draw the lines on their face and their their noses and the wrinkles on their forehead and the cheeks that like man, these people feel real and their emotions feel real. And then on the inverse side of that, I think animation is actually a great world for Spider Man to exist in. Because like, as much as I love me some Alfred Molina Doc Ock, like I think those movies look great as live action films. Like Kingpin is a great character to be animated. Like he he's literally this teeny tiny little head that's placed way too low on these massive shoulders covered in a black suit that just looks incredible in this movie. Yeah, I mean, he really does.

27:32 The fact that he's creating a black hole is not an accident. Like that's what his his motivation is. But then half the time he's on screen, he's completely filling the frame with how large his body is. And it looks like a black hole on screen. Like it's it's a really cool touch. Brad, before we go to break, I do want to talk about the cast of this movie because a, the cast is just absolutely stacked. But I've started noticing things. And I think it's because you and I have recorded so many episodes of this podcast now. But like every now and then I'll I'll have to send you a script or something and I'll say, hey, we need to do an ad read. Can you take 2 passes at this list of bullet points and you'll send back a recording of yourself. And sometimes it sounds like when you and I are just shooting the breeze on an episode.

28:18 And sometimes I can tell, like, your, your, your voice is a little bit quieter and you're reading it kind of in your NPR voice. And I. And when I hear that, I'm like, oh, I can tell that his children are probably napping upstairs and he's trying to like, do the ad read. But like, and again, like, there's nothing wrong with that. But you start to notice like the subtle differences in tone and like, gravitas in your voice. And that's one of the things I love about the voice performances in this movie. A couple people are going big, like Katherine Hahn is being Katherine Hahn as a super villain. But then you've got like those moments where something seriously emotional has happened to Gwen Stacy or to Miles or to whoever it might be.

29:03 And it's almost like you can tell that they instructed the actor doing the line reading to get so much more closer to the mic and, and it's like this tender kind of moment. I was really blown away by a lot of these vocal performances, Brad, because they really do run the gamut of dynamics in that way. Are you a big New Girl fan, Bob? I like New Girl a lot and I hope that this is going where I think it's going, Brad. I had a hard time for like the first 35% of the movie, 40% of the movie getting down with Jake Johnson as Peter B Parker 'cause I all I could hear was Nick.

29:48 Sure, like like that is the only thing I could hear. And somewhere around the halfway point of this movie, he transformed into like the perfect older, got a bit of a beer gut Peter Parker and I completely like he just transformed into Spider Man for me and it was perfect. It is an unbelievable performance, dude. It's, and I think part of it is because he's not doing Nick Miller in the first half hour, but they're having him be way too jokey, way too flippant. I mentioned Deadpool a little bit ago. They're having him do like the Ryan Reynolds Deadpool shtick for the first half hour.

30:32 And I was like, I was not down with it either. And it's kind of once you start to realize that he's doing that jokiness as a way of pushing aside and pushing away his own inner demons as a character, Even when he's narrating to us, the audience, you know, you don't realize he's doing that at 1st. And once his story starts to unfold a little bit and you get those vulnerabilities that Jake Johnson can bring to this character, even like the most obvious line reading at the very end of the movie where Miles wants to send him back to his world. And he seems like hell bent on not going back 'cause he's scared. And you know that the line about it being a leap of faith is going to come back.

31:16 But the way he delivers it is such a little surprise. Like, you think he's going to go, you're right. It's a leap of faith, you know, like a like an acknowledgement of I see what you did there. And he doesn't do it that way. He does it in, in a much more tender way. And yeah, dude, I was like, honestly floored at how good his performance was. It made me realize that the reason I like him so much in New Girl is because the moments where he is being emotionally vulnerable in the character of of Nick, he freaking nails. I don't want to be vulnerable, but I have to be like, it is. It is such a talent of his.

32:03 And so I yeah, I think he is the perfect casting for old, out of shape spider man who's just trying to get by. I do think that, like if we're doing like a tears list of performances, performances in this movie, he is Tier 1 and 2 and then everyone else is kind of beneath him. I have nothing against anyone's performances. I think they're all really, really good. I think that Brian Tyree Henry as the dad is really good. I think Mahershala Ali as the uncle is really good. I think Miles Morales is really good. And you know, you go down the list and you're like, wow, they have Liev Schreiber in this movie too. That's crazy. Like there's just so many actors here. But the one that stood out to me above everybody else was Jake Johnson.

32:46 I have a question for you, Bob. There is some very clear sexual tension between Gwen Stacy and Miles Morales. Yeah, there is. But like being the Spider Man of their respective universes, is there something weird like like like, is that, is that a little bit off if they're trying to get it on? Well, see then, then what you're asking is are you having sex with yourself at that point, right? I mean, pretty much. Here's the real question, Brad. Is it cheating if she's from another dimension? That's that's, that's the moral, the moral quandary of this movie.

33:29 It's like the if you're if you're 2 states away, it's it's Yeah, exactly. She's. From an alternate dimension, who's gonna I could I could date? Whoever I want. All right, man, before we go to break, anybody else in this cast list that you think is worth mentioning? I mean, I think Shameek Moore is great as Miles. I think Hailee Steinfeld is really wonderful as Gwen. I I think it's hard to dive into anybody else because the only people who are given anything meaty are Shameek Moore and Jake Johnson. I think Hailee Steinfeld does as much as she can with the part that she's given.

34:12 And so, yeah, I mean, I, I, I think she does great, but I mean, I don't know. What are your thoughts on Shameek Moore? Where where you at with him? I think he's great and I don't know anything about him outside of these two films, so I don't know if he's like a really great actor. I think the fact that he feels unseasoned in this works perfectly for the character and I I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say like it's he's so talented as a voice actor that he can impart that onto the character. Whether or not that's true, maybe he's just really green as an actor, I have no idea, but it works for this character. It's a really great, again, vulnerable, open, awkward, like just a perfect, however old he is, 15 year old boy. Like it's just, he nails it, man. Yeah, well I let's take all these good vibes and I think it's time for us to dive into a well seasoned veteran in the world of whiskey.

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35:58 We are not sampling that today because we are not important enough to receive those samples. But I thought it would be fun to A, get our hands on and B review the B TAC line from last year. Our motto here at Film and Whiskey most of the time when we're not making up dumb other mottos, is that we understand that the average consumer will only try a brand or a label of whiskey one time. So with these annual releases that have kind of vintages to them, the average consumer, A, cannot afford George T Stag on an annual basis and B doesn't really care. Like if you tell somebody, hey, I can sell you a bottle of 2022 Stag, they'd be like, great, does not matter to me, I just want Stag.

36:43 I want to try it once. So we're trying the 2023 release. We, we did try the Thomas H Handy Sazerac Rye from 23 a couple seasons ago. And so over the next 4 weeks we're going to be finishing out the 23 lineup of B TAC. And hopefully what we think of this will help you as a consumer decide if these whiskeys are worth your time and energy and money. Are they modern classics, Bob? Brad, have you ever had George T Stag before? I have not had George T Stag before Bob. We've tried Stag Junior on the podcast. I've tried it before in the wild. It's good stuff. I just, I'm, I'm just going to, I'm going to spoil my thoughts on everything, Brad. None of this whiskey is worth paying quadruple digits forever, ever ever.

37:35 Yeah. See that? I think that's why we created the luxury category category though. Well, it's definitely a luxury. Oh yeah, this is a luxury category whiskey and we will score it based on that. I'm just saying Bob, if you have the money to just drop whatever you want on whiskey, like maybe 4 digits is totally worth it for you. I get that, but I'm also like like a middle class person if they really save up their money, can buy themselves a boat. If they really want to boat, there's I don't. Know about that man. Boats are expensive. But then there's another tier above that, which is like a yacht. And there's a whole class of people that no matter what they do in life will never be able to have a yacht. And I feel like Stag is in this weird spot of like the average person, if they really want to can save their money and buy a bottle of Stag.

38:34 But we're talking about it like it's a whiskey for yacht people. Do you know what I mean? And and my fear with the market is like, let's not forget about boat people at the expense of only servicing yacht people. See when you said a middle class person can buy a boat, I was thinking yacht level. No, I'm just. I wasn't. Thinking about like I'm I'm going fishing this weekend. Like that's what I'm talking about. A boat, Yeah. Did did you ever read that article about yacht like billionaires with yachts where there are people who they hire to work their boats that just live on the boats? They stay on the yacht all year long. That's literally the wildest thing to me. That's the dream, man.

39:16 I'll I'm want to be podcasting from a yacht someday. Sorry children, I've got to take this job as an indentured servant. You'll never find me. I'll be traveling too much. I'll send checks from whatever I can all. Right man, Stag junior. Let's dive in. This is a 15 year old Stag junior. Oh, not Stag junior, George T Stag. Let's dive in. This is a 15 year and three month old bourbon that came out in 2023. It is 135 proof. This is almost hazmat level Brad. Yeah, hazmat being 140 proof, correct? That's right. Yeah.

39:58 This has just a bomb of flavor on the nose. There is some anise, there is molasses. And the longer I let it sit in there and the more I kind of blew out some of the ethanol, which is plenty. There is some honey, there's some Craisins, there's a little bit of brown sugar. This is a beautiful nose that is not overpowered by the age. I'm going to give it a nine out of 10, Bob. Yeah, I'm almost there with you. I don't think I'm going to be at an 8 1/2. And so here's my notes. First thing I got was like really dusty oak. It was that nice, like sawdusty note that we really love on whiskeys.

40:39 I got a lot of honey. And then I got this note that I can't, I can never know the name of the plant that I'm referring to, but it's like when you are out in the country in the summertime and you catch a whiff of the breeze and it's that really sweet smelling like fragrance. I don't know if it's a weed, I don't know if it's a tree. It were the only other thing I catch that note on is like umberana finished stuff. So I wrote that down here. I know people hate umberana in their whiskey finishes now, but it's that powdery floral note. There's a ton of ethanol, dude. The longer this sat in my glass, the ethanol came through more. But beyond that, there was some cinnamon, and then I got a little bit of almost like meatiness at the very end that I really liked. I'm going to give it an 8 1/2.

41:25 It's super complex. Bob, when I got into the pallet here, my first note, and I know this is a reference you understand because I explained it to you the other day, the viscosity is over 9000. Oh, interesting. I think that this might be one of the most coating whiskeys we have ever drank in the history of this podcast. I had the exact opposite experience. What? Like it coats your mouth because it there's so much alcohol, but in terms of the actual thickness of it, like it's, it's a very thin mouthfeel because again, it's all alcohol. Like, I don't, I don't.

42:06 It didn't taste syrupy to me at all. Oh, I I don't know if we drank the same whiskey. I literally just checked the label on mine. I was like, Oh my gosh, did we drink the same thing? Oh dude I I thought that there was like this was literally one of the thickest whiskey's we've ever had as far as flavors go. I got nutmeg and clove and like all the baking spices, it reminded me of fresh bread right out of the oven. There is some caramel, there's brown sugar, there's honey. Once again though, like the craisin almost turned into a Raisin type of vibe. Like it. It almost tasted like I was having like cinnamon Raisin bread at one point. I think that this is the epitome of what bourbon can be on the palate, and I'm going to give it a 10 out of 10. Wow.

42:58 Yeah, I'm a little bit cooler on this one than you are, Brad. Not significantly so, but I think I'm at an 8 1/2 again here. And it's because it was so unexpected in a good way. But your note of Raisin, I think is really, really good, not just because it echoes Raisin, but it actually mimics that sort of almost bright, not quite sour, but like fruity tartness when you first bite into a Raisin before those sugars come out on the very front of my palate, it was almost sour. It was it, it mimicked like fresh tart fruit and bourbon never does that. Like I never get that brightness on the tip of my tongue. I did say that the mouthfeel was super thin, but it really opened up. It was like a cherry bomb for me. It was like tons and tons of just dark cherry. I, I did that thing where like aspirated a little bit and kind of like sloshed it in my mouth with while breathing in some air because that ethanol was so heavy. And it reminded me of almost like tropical candies, like like blue Raspberry kind of candy.

44:00 That brightness came back again. There was black pepper and then the oak took over and there is a lot of really heavy oak on this. I think it's an interesting palette and I've never gotten some of these notes ever on a bourbon before. I just don't know if it's necessarily my favorite thing I've ever tried. So it's an 8 1/2 for me. I I think the Finnish once again knocks it out of the park there. It gets into a more vanilla bean territory. The oak char really comes through strongly at the end. The baking spices are there. It turns a little bit rye forward on the finish and there's some really nice leather notes that round things out. I'm going to give it a nine and a half here on the finish. I'm also at a nine and a half and it's mostly because I do think it's really oak heavy.

44:46 There's some baking spice. This is predominantly scored where it is because it might be the most long lasting finish I've ever had on a bourbon. It just like it would not go away. And after a while it broke me down. I was just like, damn, dude, like you win, you know what I mean? Like it was, it was really persistent and I. Respected and 35 proofs of them one. So moving into balance, I do think that this tips slightly bitter towards the end, not necessarily sour, but a little bit of that oak bitterness comes through. I do wonder about 15 years like is, is that a little bit too long in the barrel for bourbon? Overall, incredibly pleasant. I gave it an 8 and a half, eight and a half, 9 1/2.

45:27 This is a well balanced whiskey. I think I'm just going to stick in an 8.5 here, Brad. I'm going to give it a nine and a half on the balance. I, I gave it a 910 and 9 1/2. So we'll, we'll just split it down the middle. I think that this is a really complex whiskey that Bob. I just feel like it's so rare for us to drink a bourbon over 12 years old that has a nice complexity of flavors that are not overwhelmed by the oakiness. And I think that they they nail that here. I don't know how they do it. I don't know what voodoo magic they're doing down at Buffalo Trace, but they really nail the the balance of flavor and age in a really beautiful way. Before we get to the value category where this thing takes a nosedive, where are you at out of 40? Just on the tasting notes.

46:21 I mean let's see 1928, 1/2 3038 I think. All right, so you're at a 38 out of 40, which translates to a 95 out of 100. I'm at a 35 out of 40 and I'm at an 87.5 out of 100. Now I like this significantly less than Brad and even I am like an almost a 90 level. So this is, yeah, really good whiskey. I just wanted to get that out there before we talked to value because Brad, it's your turn to kind of fill me in here. What it What is this selling for now? I saw a bottle for like 450. I saw a bottle for 900.

47:03 Like I don't think you can actually get an accurate price on this unless you are active in the secondary market, which we for the FBI that's listening we hear the filming whiskey podcast do not support any secondary sales of liquor. We only want people to buy it from their approved liquor, licensed stores and individuals. But if you happen to be aware of this illegal, terrible, evil blight upon society, black market secondary whiskey I don't like, you're going to have to be connected to know how much this is going to cost you.

47:44 What's OK? So MSRP is 125. Now, I think that the $900 price point is someone that's just price gouging. This is probably already peaked and come down a bit, but the quantities are even more limited. Now. What do you say we set it at 500? That's four times MSRP. That is like astronomically priced, but I actually think would be considered a pretty fair market value in most corners of the secondary market. Sure, 500 bucks. Brad, where are you at on this? I, I see, I, I think This is why we created the luxury category because I like thinking about it at $500 might bring my price to my value down a little bit. But if I just thought of it as this is a luxury purchase made by people who can make luxury purchases, I think this is a nine out of 10 like I like.

48:38 I think that the George T Stag of 2023, and from what I've heard of other iterations as well, I think it's worth the hype. Bob. I'll be the Brad G today and I'll just do the would I pay $500.00 for this particular whiskey? I would not. I will also be very blunt and saying I would not pay $500.00 for pretty much any whiskey. I am a notorious cheapskate and and I do not make that much money. So, you know, like, what are you going to do? I want to make it clear I also would not spend 500 dollars on this whiskey. I'm just saying if I think of it as a luxury whiskey, I think it's a nine out of 10 value. I think the fairest way for me to balance out what the way you're approaching it though, is to just say like, is it a fair value considering the crazy world we live in? And I think to reflect that, I'm going to give it a 5 out of 10 on value.

49:35 It is. It is whatever kind of value you perceive it to be. Like if you're to your point, Brad, if you're in the market for this kind of a thing, you're going to pay whatever it takes to get it anyway. So like nothing we say is going to sway you one way or the other. I'm going to give it a 5. And that brings me to a 40 out of 50. This is a very, very good whiskey. Bob, I'm at a 47 out of 50. Man you're coming in hot with these 40 plus scores this season dude. I I'm drinking good whiskey, Bobby and I, I have no shame in recognizing that. That takes us to an 87 out of 100 or a 43.5 on average. This is a no brainer recommendation man. If you can find a pour of it somewhere it's it's a great luxury bourbon.

50:21 It just is. Yeah, I, I have long harbored animosity for the B Tac. Not not for B Tac, but for Buffalo Trace as a whole. I, I think that they take pride in the secondary market prices of their product, and that annoys me quite a bit, and it still does. But I, I try to be as fair as I can. And when I drink this whiskey, I can honestly tell you. This shit is delicious. Well, you heard it here first, folks. And by first, I mean a year after the fact. Brad, let's get back into talking about Into the Spider verse.

51:01 What do you say? Let's get to it, Bob. All right, everybody, That was the 2023 George T Stag B.Tech release. What a fine, fine whiskey, Bob A. Very nice dream. Yeah, that it's truly one of the few bourbons I've ever had that I would place up against scotches as far as like, wow, that was my. Just just craft. Overall craft for sure. Yeah, Speaking of overall craft. And just mind blowingly great content.

51:43 It's time for our next game, which we call 2 Facts and a Falsehood. Brad is going to try to stump your ball to our right and what is wrong? 2 facts and a. Falsehood 2 Facts and a falsehood is the part of the show where Brad tries to stump Bob by presenting him with three facts about the making of this movie, one of which is actually a lie. Brad, I believe that I am 2 and O on the season right now, right? Yeah, you are knocking it out of the park with Bilga Abiri's help. Thank you Billy Oppenheimer episode. He like so confidently was like Nope, that's the falsehood. He literally was like Emily Blunt told me.

52:24 Yeah, that's when I knew I had the victory for the week. I was like, yes. And I like going into episodes with guests. I often feel more confident because I'm like, oh, they're going to steer Bob wrong for sure. I never feel confident with Bilgo. He knows so much more than you and I combined. Yeah, he really is a ringer, man, but unfortunately I have no ringer today. I don't care about superheroes and I don't know much about animation. So Brad, this today might be your day is what I'm saying. I Bob, I might just let you guess before I give the facts because I don't think you have any chance with this one at at at having an honest guess.

53:06 Here, this is facetious, but my my pretend for now. Guess is fact #2 is the falsehood. OK, so let's hear him. Fact #1 Prowler is originally a character from Spider man #82 and existed primarily as an antagonist for four issues. He was reborn in 2011's Ultimate Fallout Spider Man series as Mile, Miles Morales's uncle Aaron Davis. Fact #2 Spider Ham was originally introduced in Marvel Tales starring Peter Porker, the Spectacular Spider Ham from 1983. His origin of being a spider bitten by a radioactive pig is true to the comics. I'm sorry, I I love this.

53:55 The movie leaves out the that the radioactive pig in question was May Porker, who due to the effects of the radiation, believe that the transformed Peter was her nephew instead of her former lab pet fact #3 Spider Man Noir, often referred to as Spider Noir or simply Noir, first appeared in the comic series Spider Man Noir, Part of the Marvel Noir universe, this alternate version of Spider Man is a noir theme take on the character and emerges in a version of New York during the Great Depression. Was fact #3 just an attempt for you to see how many times you could say the word noir in 30 seconds? I can neither confirm nor deny.

54:37 You could have just ended it with noir noir noir noir noir noir noir noir noir I think. I honestly think two and three are both true because they kind of said as much about 3 in the movie. So I'm gonna change my answer and just say #1 is false and that's I have no other basis for it. But that's my answer and I'm going with it. And that's that's all there is to it. Bob you are three and O on the season. I couldn't help but mad reading about I like copied the spider ham thing and I I thought it was a good one and then as I'm reading it I couldn't help but laughing. You almost had me too, because you do like to laugh at your own jokes sometimes.

55:19 So I was like, oh man, was this a Brad creation? But. Marvel Tales starring Peter Porker. Well, it was when that that was the part that got me. It was when you said Aunt May Porker in the second sentence that I was like, oh, this must, this must be true. Yes, the name Aunt May Porker is. That's a bold move. All right, man, we're we're almost at an hour into this episode. I don't have too much more to say. I think this is a really, really good movie and shockingly like raised my opinion of it. I think partially because I I was able to watch it on a smaller screen this time. And so the chaotic nature of that final sequence was was condensed and contained into like just part of my field of vision so I did not feel disoriented or nauseous this time.

56:08 And fun fact that really helps you appreciate a movie more. Yeah, it's it's weird how nausea does not contribute to your final score when thinking about a movie. It's weird how that happens. I mean it, it could contribute very negatively, but luckily that's not happening today. Yeah, I'm curious, Bob, like coming away from this, is this your second time or I don't know. No I have not watched it since that theater going experience and I was at like a 6 1/2 on this movie. It just like it didn't do it for me the first time. I didn't quite get why everyone fell in love with it. I probably had some sort of Marvel hangover too, where everything was still getting praised like it was some revolutionary piece of cinema and not watching it.

56:54 I do think that in a lot of ways the animation style is more revolutionary than I realized at the time because of how many copycats have come along. But where the movie really succeeds for me is in capturing what I love about Spider Man anyway. Like it's, it is the awkwardness, it's the teenageriness of him. But it's also like in that final sequence when he's really come into his own and he's about to defeat Kingpin and you can tell that he has complete control and confidence in his powers. They finally start to do the thing where as he swings and and he's in between swings and he has that sense of weightlessness before he latches onto something else.

57:35 And you can kind of feel like the lilt of him. I'm like, oh, yeah, dude, they got it. They nailed the way Spider Man moves in a way that those stupid MCU movies never could. Like it just they they just really capture why I fell in love with the Raimi spider man movies as a 12 year old. Yeah, And and I on my own in the last month or so, I actually saw that The Amazing Spider Man was leaving Netflix. And I was like, you know, I always avoided those movies out of this like, weird sense of loyalty to Tobey Maguire and Sam Raimi. I was like, I need to actually watch this.

58:17 So I sat down and watched Andrew Garfield as with his turn as Spider man and I realized that movie sucks. It's really not good. And I, I don't know why I I avoided it all these years. I had this like weird, like dread that it would be better than Raimi's. And so watching that recently, I think I did have a lot more respect for where they go with this movie. And I have a lot of respect that they were willing to enter into the absurdity of the world of Spider Man. And it offered something in an animated world that you can't get in any live action version of it.

59:02 I, I mean, I'm even thinking of Scorpion as a bad guy. Like he's just an incredibly well visualized bad guy that you don't need to know anything about other than he's a freaking Scorpion and he's terrifying and, and like, that's perfect and, and it's so well done. So yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of with you, man. I I enjoyed this way more than I thought I would, especially like 20-30 minutes into the movie. There's a lot of times where I'm watching a movie and I am, I'm aware. It's kind of like when you're watching a guy that's like throwing a perfect game and you start to become really aware of the stakes and you're like, oh God, they better land this because right now this is like a 10 out of 10. And 100% of the time they never landed. There's always something that brings the movie down from like, wow, that first 45 minutes was great. And then it falls off.

59:52 This was the rare movie where I wasn't even aware of how much better it was getting as I watched it because at first I was like, Nah, I'm not really into this. And then it was like, oh, they're actually doing a pretty decent job to, oh, this is like on par with the good Marvel movies. I I think this is a pretty good superhero movie. And then by the end of the movie, the last five minutes, I was like, hell yeah, like, this is what I want in a. And. And it wasn't until I said hell yeah audibly to myself in a room that I was like, oh, I think I really love this movie. This is this is way better than I was expecting and that might be a good jumping off point, Brad, for us to get into our final segment of the day. Let's make it a double.

1:00:33 We're near the end of the episodes of Things, listening to the film and Whiskey Show. Let's have another film with this one, even if it's struggling. It's the final segment of the day. Now let's make it a double. Let's make it a double is the part of the show where we pick a movie to pair up with this one to make the perfect double feature. Brad I, I said that I wanted to segue into this because this movie, I realized at the very end where he he was doing that weightless thing and where he finally had that moment of like, I am completely confident in my own skills and abilities. Now. I thought of that great moment in The Matrix where after taking all those shots from Agent Smith, they start hand to hand combat again.

1:01:18 And he and Neo puts one hand behind his back and is just blocking every blow and then kind of just turns away at one point and you're like, Oh yeah, hell yeah, this, this is what I'm looking for in the movie. It was the exact same thematic content, like the hero fully coming into his own powers. And I was like, man, this is like Matrix level reaction from me. So I think the movie I'm pairing this up with is 1999's The Matrix. Man, that would be a really weird night of cinema. And I'm like, I'm here for it, man. That, that would be a a hell of a night.

1:01:59 Yeah, dude, I'm, I'm curious, would you watch the Matrix first or Spider Man first? Oh I don't know, it just depends on like do you want to end with spider Man swinging through the streets or with Neo like flying off into the sun? Dude what a good movie The Matrix is. Like 10 out of 10 Masterpiece. Perfect masterpiece of sci-fi thriller. All right, where are you at? I am going to pair this with another animated film, and I think that it's another film that I would land in a similar place to Spider Man as far as final scores go, where I think that this film nails the characters, the development of said characters and like the emotional weight of the film and a lot of the other stuff on the edges kind of falls away 'cause you don't worry about it, 'cause you have great characters.

1:02:59 I'm going to pair this with Wreck It Ralph, which when John C Reilly is flying towards that volcano and repeating the villain's code, I like. I cry every time and it's perfect and I I think that there is so much to offer there and I think that watching Wreck It Ralph and Into the Spider verse would just be a great night, a really fun night of animated film viewing. Wreck it Ralph is so freaking good dude. Like, criminally underrated. How? How have we not reviewed it yet? I don't know. That's my question. That's a That's a modern classic right there.

1:03:41 Let's make it a double was presented by Blackwood Distilling Co, the distillers behind Kentucky's most exciting toasted barrel. Bourbon and rye craftsmanship meets bold flavor in every bottle. No matter what movie you choose, you can always make it a double with Blackwood distilling.co.findoutmore@blackwooddistillingco.com. All right, Brad, as we get into final scores, let's ask that question. Yeah. Does this deserve to be considered a modern classic? I think that if you'd asked me a day ago, I'd be like hell no. And now I have, I have completely flipped and I, I think I'm in a hell yak category. I do think I there's a slight caveat in that it has made me realize despite how many animated movies we get, that the number of animated films that I would consider modern classics, it's still a shockingly small number.

1:04:31 It's like the the five best Pixar movies and then maybe 3 or 4 non Pixar movies and just taking on that. Do I think this is one of the 10 best, 15 best, whatever it might be animated films of the 21st century? I probably do. I do think it's it's operating at a level that others don't. It's taking on subject matter that others don't. The animation style is unique enough to itself that it justifies kind of setting aside. I I do think this this should be considered a 21st century classic. Are you OK if I get just a hint political for a second, Bob? Sure.

1:05:15 Are you? Is this going to be one of your famous shut down the border monologues? Yes, yeah, build, build that wall. Oh man, I I think one of the things I appreciate about this movie most, and granted this is in a 2024 world. I like, I watched this in 2024 for the first time, not in 2018, but I feel like in 2024 we've had so many instances in media of minority characters being made the main character of, of ATV show a movie, whatever. And they have no flaws.

1:05:57 They have no problems. They have no weaknesses because they're a minority character and they need to be awesome because they haven't been awesome in so many decades of cinema. And I, and like, I'm not arguing with that latter point, but I think what I loved most about this movie was that I didn't ever once feel like there was a political message being thrown at me that it's like, wow, Miles Morales is black, Hispanic and perfect and has no flaws and has everything figured out. Like, it was just simply a story of a young man who is trying to figure out his place in the world as a black Hispanic teenager who is bitten by a radioactive spider and is going to go about things differently than a white Peter Parker would.

1:06:53 And, and there there's never anything that feels forced or out of place. And I think that my 2024 self almost felt a little on edge, like waiting for the political message to hit me across the face. And it never came. And I was like blown away because they just simply focused on character development. And I think they nailed it. And I, I don't know, is any of that controversial? Do I need to be pushed back on? No, I don't think so at all. I mean, you and I have talked about what we perceive to be really cheap, gimmicky writing that shoehorns in, you know, making a character a certain ethnicity or whatever for no other purpose then what seems to be checking a box. And I think they do it so intently here and with such purpose and maturity that it really does. It adds a layer of complexity to the Spider Man narrative in a way we haven't seen before.

1:07:54 But it it never feels preachy. It never feels like anything more than you are watching the origin story of a Spider Man. It may not be the Spider Man you grew up with, but it feels true to who that character is supposed to be, and I think it's a really huge success because of that. Brad, I'm going to give this movie a nine out of 10. I came in thinking like 7 1/2 to 8. I, I think I will give it an 8 1/2. Like there are some issues with the film. I think that the writing around the edges of the film gets really ragged. The art style doesn't always work for me. But overall, I think this is a really beautiful film and I I do think that it deserves to be called a modern masterpiece. All right, so there we are on Spider Man into the spider verse.

1:08:42 We're at an 8.75 on average, but we'd like to know what you think. Is this as good as the second one? Should we have done the second one instead? Cause guess what? We're not doing it this season folks. We have other movies to talk about, but you can let us know which one you liked better by reaching out to us at any of our social media accounts. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube freaking LinkedIn baby at film whiskey. I think you're going to keep saying that just just to get me to laugh at you, Bob I. I posted something on our LinkedIn the other day and I got an e-mail that was like, congratulations, your post, Your post had two impressions. It's like we did it, man. There's two people out there.

1:09:25 If you want to put the energy of the Film and Whiskey podcast behind it, I I'm in, man, I'm I'm ready. Where else can they find us, Brad? They can find us on Discord. If you are on in the world of Discord, join our server. We are talking about movies and whiskey and and all of our episodes. Join the conversation. You can find a link at the end of every single one of our. Show notes We'll be back next week talking about perhaps the ultimate dad movie of the 21st century, Ford V Ferrari. But until then, I'm Bob Book. I'm Brad Gee. And we'll see you next time.