Silence / The Wiseman Rye

0:00 In 2016, director Martin, Scorsese and star. Andrew Garfield gave the world, a prolonged examination of the role of suffering in faith in 2022. Kentucky, owl gives us the first of two new budget Expressions, the film is silence. The whiskey is the wise men ride and we'll review them both. This is the film and whiskey podcast. Welcome to the film and whiskey podcast, where each week, we review a classic movie and a glass of whiskey. I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and you're doing the accent of everyone in this movie Brad Because this week, we're looking at a 2013's silence, a movie full of terrible accents, just the worse.

1:08 And to be clear, I think, as I said that, I might, I realized that I might have sounded like, I was imitating a Japanese accent. I was not trying to do that. I was trying to joke about the fact that Adam Driver and Liam Neeson and Andrew Garfield. Cannot do a Portuguese accent to save their lives. Nope, not at all, not at all. It's It's so bad. Hey, let's just get that out of the way now. So like, I like this movie a lot Brad. And obviously, I think, like, we've actually been talking about this movie for many years on the podcast, because when we first started the show episode 1 of filmin, whiskey is Goodfellas, and you said on that correct, who directed that bigger?

1:50 Right? You said on that podcast, that the only Scorsese movie you had seen up to that point was silence. So like yeah your introduction to Or say Z was perhaps the least stereotypically Scorsese film there is in terms of in terms of content and Rhythm. Well, it was really funny. So the reason I saw silence, one of my absolute best friends in the world. Matt Kalman. He lives out in St. Louis, he was visiting me while I was while we were both in seminary, and we were just like had a group of friends over, because I wanted my friends to meet my buddy that I lived with, in Philly. And we are hanging out, we had dinner, we, you know, had a few drinks.

2:33 And we were like, let's watch a movie. And Matt was like, yeah, I heard about this movie called silence. It's about these like Jesuit missionaries to Japan. I'm really interested in it. I want to watch it. And so everybody in the group was like, well, you know, we're going to let the guest pick the movie X. I'll just say this, in a group of like 8 to 10 people silence is not necessarily the move. To watch Classic Party. Movie silence. Followed by a Maybe do like a back-to-back viewing and then just throw on like Schindler's List, right afterwards? Yeah, rip-roaring. Good times. We were like weeping halfway through the movie, so, yeah. That was my introduction to the illustrious world of Martin Scorsese.

3:24 So, I also saw this movie while we were in seminary and you know of course I had been keeping tabs on it because Scorsese this, this project had been gestating in the mind of Scorsese for decades. He wanted to make it in the 80s. Didn't have the funding set. It aside came back to it, set it aside. Again you know, and then he makes the Wolf of Wall Street and he's like, you know, it's probably time for me to do silence. I think, I think the man needed a reset, he finally does silence and it comes out with just a thud. Like, I don't know what happened. I still I'm trying to figure out like, if the studio just decided, this is not really going to work. I know that he delivered it. At the very last minute. And so it wasn't really like an awards Contender. It does get nominated for best cinematography, but like that's it and you'd think that a Scorsese movie would have more like oomph behind it, but this movie kind of got dumped in theaters and it didn't come out, you know, wide until January and the closest it was playing to us.

4:19 When we lived in, Kentucky was Cincinnati. And so I drove like an hour and a half, to go see this movie partially because there were like a number of people that went to Seminary with us. So that were also familiar with the fact that this movie was coming out and as Seminary Bros are want to do, they already had opinions on like the content of the movie having not seen it. And I was like for the love of God. Like I'm gonna at least go see this movie before, I formed my opinion on it. So like I knew I was the only person at Asbury Seminary that had driven an hour and a half to go see this movie that was released in like five theaters. So it was nice to at least know who was talking out of their butt and whoo.

4:59 Not and that's my experience with silence. First off, I am okay with not being at Seminary anymore, Bob dude, me too that the life of Seminary Bros was was a little bit tiresome if I'm being honest. Secondly, I love your commitment to being right, you know? It's not even like that. I want to be, right? It's just that I want. I want to speak from an informed Place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It clearly some that so many people in seminary, don't care about that. That's 100% the case. Yeah. Well in the spirit of being informed Brad and I have both seen silence now, multiple times. We're going to talk through the whole thing performances. The direction I want to talk about the pacing of the movie, a bit, because having seen it now, for a second time, Brad, I hadn't watched it since the theater. I do think this movie is a little slow. I do think this movie is not perfect, but we have a very particular Attachment to and lens to view this movie from. And so I think we're going to have a really good discussion on this today.

6:06 But before we start all that, it's time for us to throw over to Brad explains, which is America's favorite segments. This is the part of the podcast where Brad breaks down the plot of the film that he has just seen often for the first time. This is not Brad's first time seeing silence, so let's just get that clear. However, it is a three hour long movie and we're only giving you 60 seconds to break. Take down the plot of it. Brad. Do you think you can do it? All right I think this movie comes in three parts. There's the opening when Andrew Garfield and Adam Driver are Jesuit priests, they find out that their Mentor has apostatize do, which you will probably hear that word. A lot means that they recanted their faith or basically said, I'm not a Christian anymore, so they go to Japan. Second part of the movie is them ministering. To basically an underground church that is being repressed by the Japanese government at the time. And then, the third part of the movie is when they are captured and it follows, Andrew Garfield, who eventually recants his faith and becomes a Christian router outer for the Japanese government and then he dies and he was still a Christian question, mark.

7:27 Yeah, see what I did there. So this movie does a lot of things really well and it does a lot of things not so well, I'll say that now. Right, a couple days ago, Brad. I made a spreadsheet that I don't know what I'm going to do with yet but I put every movie we've ever reviewed on the podcast in one spreadsheet and it has our scores and it has the IMDb score and I am fairly certain that silence is either the lowest or the second lowest rated movie on IMDb that we have ever done on this podcast really. I think it was like Elizabethtown and then silence is not right above it. I was I was literally thinking. I was like, it beat Elizabethtown.

8:08 This is a better movie than the little, for sure. It's a better movie than a lot of films we've done on this podcast, but it has a seven point one on IMDb with 112 thousand reviews. So it's not like it's an unseen movie. I do think that a lot of that is that people have an idea in their mind of what a quote-unquote Scorsese film is. And then they go into this movie and it is very much a Scorsese film it has all the themes that his, you know, gangster movies have it's just not a gangster movie, and it's a very slow-paced examination of torture and, and like, spiritual anguish, but people probably went into this expecting something a little different than what they got. And I have to imagine that, at least part of this score is that they were just let down that there wasn't enough bloodletting in the movie.

8:55 Yeah, I'd be curious if this movie was given a And like had an opportunity to re-examine its score with people who have sat with the movie for years. I wonder if it would get, you know, maybe like a 74 75. I will say when you said second-lowest, I wasn't expecting to 7.1. I feel like there has to be more movies in like the sixth, the high 62 lo7 range, then then that that we've reviewed. Yeah. Surprisingly not man, that's that's impressive. Come on. All right, so let's talk the movie. I guess, I want to start with the performances. Andrew Garfield is in every scene or nearly every scene in this movie, and I actually think he's quite good.

9:43 Andrew Garfield is one of my favorite actors working today. I thought he should have won the Oscar last year for his performance in the movie Tick. Tick. Boom. It was fantastic. He had a great year last year and he's really, really good here. Like I feel like people are finally coming. Around to Andrew Garfield as the incredible actor that he is. But from the time I first encountered him, which was in The Social Network in 2010, you know, by the time he gets here, it's 2016. He's in the midst of making all these terrible Spider-Man movies and he goes off and does this Scorsese film aside from the fact that his accent is really not good. I think the performance itself is pretty spectacular, it's it's an anguished internalized and then externalized, you know, Like putting them through the wringer kind of a performance and I think he really Nails. It Brad.

10:34 Well, in this movie is one that relies a lot on narration and with Garfield as the primary narrator the there's a certain Beauty to voice acting where you are not on screen. But your voice is that a lot of people really don't appreciate. You know, like we've said it on the podcast before many times that Tom Hanks, talks about how acting for Toy Story. He's like, Stood at the end of the day you know he's in the booth giving it his all and I think that that can be the case here as well. I think you see Garfield really pouring his heart out on camera and you know just vocally and it's really noticeable Bob. Yeah for sure.

11:19 I mean I want to press you a little bit though. Like what did you think about the performance itself? I think that he does a really great job of using his body. To express where he's at? That earlier in the film. He's a lot more open and he's a lot more. Like like his body. Physically is more open to The Peasants and as you get later in the film, he's a lot more hunched up curled in on his on himself like as he gets angry with Liam Neeson. You can see him like, physically wanting to lash out. And so I think the physicality of his performance is something that I really love. Ya. There's something about his character. And it's, I mean, it's pretty obvious, but there are moments in the movie where you can tell that Scorsese and the original author of The Silence novel are using the character of Rodriguez Garfield to kind of explore themes of like what Jesus went through, right?

12:19 And Scorsese. Did this himself in his movie, The Last Temptation Of Christ, but it's not using the character of Jesus, to examine some of these things that's using somebody who acts as a. Tentative of Jesus, which gives it this other layer of kind of emotional torment because he knows what he's called to do. He also knows what he's taken a pledge to do in terms of like protecting his flock and and the pull between like staying faithful to confessing Jesus and preserving the life and well-being of the people that are in his care, I think, is this, it's this beautiful.

12:59 And really tortuous kind of like interplay. But what I love, what I really like about what they do with his character, like I said is like they they do kind of make him an, what's the word like an analog for Jesus? And a lot of ways because as he gets closer to what, you know, is going to be the crisis point where he's going to have to either apostatize or confess, it's very similar to like what I would imagine the story of Jesus is like as he gets closer to the cross and you have this character, who is a very Judas like character who keeps coming in and keeps betraying him and then keeps crawling back and asking for forgiveness and you start to see the anger and the resentment rise up inside of Andrew Garfield towards this guy.

13:40 And it's like, do I do, I do what I know is right, which is to forgive this guy repeatedly or do I let my sort of human emotions that are very real and very valid take over and I love that. They're kind of examining the story of Jesus through this guy, bro. I think that chi chi gyro is like the Crux of this. For sure. Like from the moment he comes on screen as this. Just absolutely. Drunken. I don't, I don't know what the right word to use like imbecille, like the way they portray him at the start is such a broken man that you see as he engages with his faith. He comes back to a renewal of Faith, but he has that line where he says, like, what am I supposed to do in a world like this, like why couldn't I have been born to a A different age where I could have lived my whole life as a happy old Christian and just died as an old. Man, why did I have to live in such a difficult time? And man if that is not like reflective of so many Christians existence, where whatever they are struggling with, they would ask that question.

14:49 Like man, why, why am I having to struggle with this in this time? And the way that Andrew Garfield response to him throughout the movie? It's Just heart-wrenching and touching and sad and just all sorts of emotions. And I really think that that's where this movie works. The best for me as far as like causing a moral quandary and tension within my soul for sure. Like the whole, the whole point of this movie there's like four or five different subplots that are all designed to cause that tension and I think, well, I mean, we'll get into all of them, but I want to steer into the rest of of the cast real quick because I feel like Brad 75% of our show.

15:33 Today is just going to be us talking about these moral quandaries. So ling, let's at least get the the camera work in the actors out of the way here. Let's drive in a New Direction. Hey, Adam Driver Place, father, Guru pay and again, this is Adam Driver coming off of HBO's girls when he's finally, like he's first starting to kind of blow up, this comes out, I think the year following the force awakens when the rest of the world became aware of who, Adam Driver was. He's so freaking good in this. Movie Brad. But even here, you can tell that people hadn't quite turned over the reins to him. The way that, you know, when we watch marriage story and he's like, clearly him and Scarlett, Johansson are the two main figures of that movie. I think he's good here, but he's really not in the movie that much.

16:17 No, he's not. I think that Adam Driver should have been the lead and this o interest. I just I just genuinely think he is a better actor than Andrew. Our field just across the board, and I think he, he would have handled the introspective nature of it better that there's certain parts of the film, where Garfield, he just comes across as kind of corny and smell amazing. And I think that Adam Driver just has like this Panache. That would give him a little bit of an upper hand as father Rodriguez, instead of Guru pay. So, here's the thing.

16:59 I think I disagree with you, and it's because and I don't know if it's because what you're saying is like, Andrew Garfield has some limitations as an actor, but I think if he does, it works in his favor here because you believe that he has a Zeal for what he's doing, but you never quite know if the character of Rodriguez totally believes what he's telling people. And I think that really helps play into the character as he goes along. You know, there's this one part of the movie where Garfield's character gets kind of Of rounded up with a bunch of other local Christians and they're kind of sitting around and one of them offers him something to drink or something to eat and he snaps at her. And it's the first time that as a priest, you see him just be a jerk to somebody and they all the other Christians around kind of realized like, oh this guy, this guy might not be exactly who he thinks he is or who he says he is and I wonder if what if you put driver in that role. I don't know if it works as well because he's so good at convincing you that he believes.

17:59 What he's saying on screen and so I feel like having that kind of Da genus to him actually, like improves Garfield's character. I mean, maybe you're right man, I guess I just looked at it, plain and simple as like, I just think Adam Driver is the better actor, and in this film. And so from that level I'm like, yeah, sure. He probably pulled it off better, but but I man, you're the, you're the cinephile here. So, I'll Trust your opinion on it. No, I'm just saying like I Why I like where they're at in this movie? However there is somebody else we need to talk about here. My boy. He got he got taken by the Japanese. Got taken Liam's.

18:41 Nice Liam Neeson. That that famous Portuguese man. Liam Neeson, Liam. Neeson was such a terrible. Casting Choice. Here's the thing though, he's really good. He just doesn't even attempt to be Portuguese in the Very first scene, he's kind of like doing a like mildly offensive, like Latino inflected accent and then with Tino adjacent, right? And then in the second, the second time, he shows up, he's like, hey, I'm Irish now and he just does Liam Neeson. And, yeah, it's I think the dialogue in that scene is so good and nice and does such a good job of presenting it. So matter-of-factly that I really loved his performance, but you're right man, like, literally Any actor from Portugal or Spain or surrounding regions, probably would have been a little bit of a better choice. Yeah, I think my issue is, it's kind of like an Interstellar. Matt, Damon reveal where I like, I know that you see Liam Neeson early in the film, so you know that he's in the movie. But like you have time with Andrew Garfield and with Adam Driver to get used to them being, you know, Portuguese priests that argh.

19:59 Into Japan. You spend the whole movie with them. Whereas by the time you get back to Liam Neeson, he like, he's still Liam Neeson. You know what I mean? Like, it'd be like if Tom Hanks was in the role, he would still be Tom. Hanks, at that point of the movie. Like, anytime you have a famous actor in a role in my opinion, at least, they need to be in the entire movie, because I need a little bit of time to get used to them. Not just being Matthew McConaughey. Or Tom Cruise or, you know, whomever and so when Liam Neeson comes back on screen, I'm just like, oh, he has a special skill that set of skills and and he's also a Jedi master.

20:41 And I, and he's also Aslan, he's a big lion. And so I just, I really struggled with the casting choice of Liam Neeson and all agree with you. Like he, he killed it in his scenes but but yeah, I think they could have gotten somebody a little less famous, all right? So this movie is I needed, like I said, for best cinematography the camera work in this movie is just spectacular, chef's kiss. I mean like like perfect Rodrigo update. So is the, is the cinematographer here. I mean, the color palette, the like the the mist and the fog, and then like the Striking kind of more warm and saturated tones when they get in that house. Where Liam Neeson is staying, just to kind of signify like, The luxury that he's living in.

21:31 I mean, like, it's just it's really subtle but it is framed. So every frame in this movie could be like a painting that you hang. It's just beautiful. Yeah. And every single time they like are getting out of a boat and like fighting the shore to get onto land, they just have these beautiful wide like panoramic shots where you can see how little the priests are against this backdrop of Japan. And It serves to under undergird, the purpose of the movie, which is to show. Christianity, is so small in the face of Japanese power. And I and so, I think that the cinematography, like it lays the foundation for the message of the movie in such a beautiful way, and a lot of movies, just don't do that.

22:21 Yeah. All right, before we go to break, Brad, I want to finish out talking about the qualities of the filmmaking and the film. As a film, right? Like we're going to get into the themes and we're going to Grapple. I think a little bit with how do you how do you separate out? The filmmaking from what the film is trying to say. And I'll say this, I'm not going to give this movie a 10 out of 10. I don't know if you are, but I do think this movie is flawed. I still really like it. And I think it gets at a lot of things that that many movies don't. But if I'm being frank here, it's a three hour long movie or actually, it's only like 2 hours and 40 minutes. It Longer than three hours. Yes, I don't know if I could actually pinpoint a scene or scenes that I think should be cut completely. Like it seems like everything has its place here. It's just it's really long and it feels really long and it's kind of repetitive like it's very cyclical the story that it tells.

23:19 And so I feel like it needs to be shorter, but I can't necessarily offer. Here's what you should cut. You know what I mean? Here's the thing. Bob this movie, Feels really long and drawn-out and this is one of the only movies where I'm like, oh it's to emphasize the struggle and the pain than Andrew Garfield is going. Yeah. Absolute like you like you can't have this movie be like a tight, two hours and ten minutes, right? Like it needs. The amount of time it has to breathe life into the suffering and anguish that is On for Garfield that he experienced over a long period of time. And so I'm I'm with you, it's slow, there's moments that are boring.

24:09 There's moments where you're just like, oh man, this is taking forever to get anywhere, but weirdly, I'm okay with it. Well, I mean, I'm, I'm not the person to normally say that, no, but I think weirdly this movie and Wolf of Wall Street, are actually really interesting companion films in scorsese's, catalog, Because he does the exact same thing with Wolf of Wall Street. Like that is a three hour long movie and it's three hours long for a reason. Like it is an exhausting movie to sit through mmm and it's because like it is, it is trying to have the effect on you that the drugs are having on Jordan Belfort in that movie and it is this like over-the-top maximal lized.

24:51 You know, satire and it's very similar to like I don't know if in high school if you ever read any selections from the book Don Quixote but like Don. Say was written specifically to parody other really long and lengthy Hero Stories of the time. And like, you know, Miguel de Cervantes like wrote that book in the most long-winded way just to like on all the stupid stories, he didn't like it and it's really funny when you know that and I think that's what he's doing with Wolf of Wall Street and in another way that is like much more serious. He's doing that with silence. You're right. Like, this movie has to be Shaggy. And it has to be repetitive and it has to be cyclical and it has to kind of get annoying and get on your nerves a little bit. I think this is the best version of this story. I still don't think it's like a perfect, you know? I mean, like, I just don't know if this movie was ever going to be a 10 out of 10 even if it does everything it's supposed to do.

25:46 Yeah. I mean, I don't think that Scorsese was worried about this being a 10/10, sure. Like, I think that he wanted to honor his Catholic faith with a really fascinating story in, you know, The the, I mean, the history of Catholicism goes back, 2,000 years, like the? It's really hard for Americans to understand because like the oldest things we have are on the East Coast from like the mid to late 1600s and and that's it and even you know, even that's like three hundred plus years ago with Catholicism, we're talking about 2,000 years of history and so for him to like take a small little piece of that and examine it with This near three hour movie like he, he wasn't trying to make a perfect movie.

26:35 I think he just really was interested in these big life questions that that Catholicism deals with like, why do we suffer as humans? What is the point of suffering? Is there a place where suffering is not healthy? You know, like, we Christianity deals with all these questions about like suffering for your faith. At what point does it become worthless to suffer for your faith and your actually suffering for your own Pride? Like he's jumping into all these questions and I don't think he gave a riff that this, you know, flopped at the box-office, like he got to make it and he's happy, you know, yep.

27:17 Yeah, totally agree, man. All right, well, it's going to fall down to us. Brad's answer the questions of why do we suffer and why are we here? But in order to answer these profound questions, we need whiskey, we need whiskey. Man, let's let's pivot into trying this Wiseman Rye. What do you say? Let's get to it. Bob lately, I've been finding myself pulling Whiskey's off the shelf that are consistently unique ones. That tell a good story. Every time I pop the Cork and I have to say the dock Swensons is absolutely top tier when it comes to a fascinating poor. What separates doc Swensons from the rest of the pack is their unrelenting? Goal of always letting the whiskey shine. No matter what whiskey comes through. The front door, Doc's.

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28:43 Before we even get into that, I have to offer a quick correction to last week's episode, you know, every now and then we get on a little bit of a Spiel and we misspeak apparently I misspoke pretty heavily last week, on our Jack, Daniels bonded episode because I've had multiple people right into tell me like, hey, you're very wrong about this witch. Like no, like I seriously appreciate and I think the best distillation. If haha, distillation love. I see what you did that of what we got. Wrong comes from our friend, Zack Johnston at up rocks. He wrote to us today and he said, hey guys, I love love. Love what you're doing to Quick Corrections for the last episode. All Tennessee. Whiskey is bourbon. It's a subcategory both by definition and legally. So I know that we said, hey Tennessee, whiskey is not bourbon.

29:30 I said that in part because like they tried to position In themselves as not bourbon but it's important to note legally like by every classification. It is bourbon, that has undergone this filtration process. That you know they talked about in Tennessee, Zach says the rules are literally copied from the bourbon ones and the legal trade category for Tennessee, whiskey is bourbon, it's the same thing. Except for that Lincoln County process of sugar maple charcoal filtering that said most bourbon is also filtered in one way or another. So the filtering of Tennessee. Whiskey doesn't disqualify it from being a bourbon Also, we said that Jack Daniels bonded was a completely new product that's also not entirely true.

30:10 It was an international product that was kind of sold at like, duty-free stores or in airports. So it's just hitting us shelves for the first time but they, they launched it as a Jack, Daniels Travelers, exclusive bottled and bond which has been around since 2018. So Zach and others. Thank you for the correction. We really appreciate it. You're just such an arrogant American Bob to When whiskey hits the shelves here, it's the first time it's ever, hit the shelves, you know, I will say, I'll take the opportunity to say, part of what we do here on the show is we try to present things as the common person, right? And like, every once in a while, we'll hear from a PR person and they'll send us a sell sheet and a press release that goes really heavily heavily in detail on the Whiskey's that were drinking.

30:59 So, we have all the information. A lot of times, though. What we do is what anybody at home would do is We pick something up at the liquor store, we type it into Google and we say, like, you know, the wise men ride review and we look up from these pretty reputable sources like what they have said about the whiskey and and in some cases we've gotten a few Corrections over the years that we only said what we saw in these reputable sources. And so sometimes it's just a breakdown of communication, we're like hey we didn't know this about the whiskey but that also reflects the fact that the average person wouldn't know this about this whiskey. Yeah. I was going to say Bob 100% as far as the first fact that we got wrong last week.

31:40 I had no idea. I genuinely thought that Tennessee sour mash whiskey was not bourbon. So I that's news to me, man. Alright, so let's transition into this Wiseman Rye. This is a new brand from Kentucky owl. And I said at the top of the episode that it's a budget brand, it's not really a budget brand. It's still like, 50 plus dollars. I was about to say, right, but it's only budget. Paired to their normal to Kentucky owl. So this is a 95% rhyme Ash bill. But Brad, it is not an mg P product. This is not originating in Indiana. This is a Kentucky distilled 95/5 rhyme Ash bill.

32:21 I thought that MGP had like the trademark on 95% ride like nobody else has to do it. Well, we shall see it. Clocks in at 100.8 proof and Brad. I got to say, man, it has a very pleasant nose. Yeah. It's a little bit Dusty. There's some brown sugar going on. It's buttery. And then like about halfway through the nosing experience. Boom, like all that strong ride that you're looking for. I'm pretty impressed with this Baba. I'm not going to go crazy high but I'll give it an 8 out of 10. Yeah, I'm The same Brad. Like this is a very wry heavy, right on the nose and really herbaceous, lots of mint. Lots of Dill on this one.

33:05 There's a little bit of caramel kind of underlying it all and every once in a while you'll get like the barrel notes as well. But for the most part it smells like walking through a garden like it's really herbaceous. I like it a lot. I'm going to give it an 8 out of 10. Yeah, and I think as you get into the actual palette, it drops off a little bit from the nose, not too far but for me, I got like a little bit of a raisin flavor. A lot of the Rye spice and some of that brown sugar coming through and normally Whiskey's get Okie, kind of on the back end near the finish. This one for me, felt okey almost on the tip of my tongue, so there's definitely some of that wood character coming through here.

33:46 Yeah, Brett. I'm with you the, the flavors interesting. There's Definitely, like, there's like a raisin. E note on this. And it's not a sweet one. It almost reminds me kind of like prune juice a little bit. Mmm. I like it, though. It gets a little bit thin on the mouth. Feel for me like the front half of the palate. It's there. It's a nice kind of honeyed sweetness. You get a lot of that kind of raw Rye grain. You get some of that raisin or prune and I'm gonna go to swallow, it makes itself known but it's just a very thin kind of back. End of the pallet into the finish. I'm going to give this This a 7 out of 10 on the palate. Yeah, I'm actually right there with you about. I'm going to give it a 7 out of 10 as well. I think that the Finnish picks up a little bit. There's a for me that honey really came through on the Finish after I had had drank it and swallowed it sat on my on my palette for little bit.

34:36 I was like, oh there's a little bit of honey going on, but the other parts of the Finish, lots of Oak, lots of really nice complex rice spices. It almost has a little bit of a clove feel to it. I like Finish. I'll give it a seven and a half out of ten. I can't quite put my finger on which kind of herb, this reminds me of most it's not super minty, but it also doesn't really tip into that Dill side to heavily. But after you swallow, there is a lot of, I don't even want to call it graininess because it's not just Rye grain, but there's like an unknown undistinguishable. Like herb. Here are you, are you picking it up here? Like what? What is it that I'm getting on the finish here? I honestly don't know.

35:18 Bob. I didn't get many herbs on this at all for me the most unique note throughout was that kind of Raisin prune juice. So I'm not really getting the herbaceous feel. It definitely doesn't tip into like a like a bitter oakiness but it kind of goes a little bit sour and I think that's why it's reminding me of some sort of herb or plant. I like this still But I think the Finish is where it kind of starts to go south a little bit for me. I think I'm only going to give it a six and a half on the Finish. Yeah, and that jumps us into balance, honestly. It's like a pretty well-balanced whiskey, like it all around. And has some interesting flavors.

36:00 It's averagely complex, but like nothing about it really stands out. So I think I'm going to give it a 7 out of 10 on balance. I'm gonna go ahead and give it a seven point five. And I will say that this is my second time trying it, I tried it about two weeks ago, and it was really delicious. When I first popped the cork really sweet almost like a very Bourbon irae and I really really like that. Now that it's at for a couple weeks it has a completely different character to me and it may just be me, it may be that I ate something different today and that my palettes just thrown off. But this is a very different drinking experience today than it was two weeks ago for me. So, I'm gonna try to walk the line between those two extremes Variances.

36:43 And I'm going to give it a seven and a half on balance. Yeah and that brings us to our value Robert. This is a fifty dollar bottle of whiskey. As we mentioned before, definitely a lot cheaper than other options from Kentucky owl. But fifty dollars is nothing to sneeze at man. Yeah, and I actually see that it's selling for like up to $60 in some places and I would not recommend it at that price but let's just say, 50 as SRP here. I don't think it's a terrible value and Rise are still kind of slept on in the marketplace and they're not making enough of them. I would love to see as much variance and and you know availability of different products in the Rye world as we do in the bourbon world.

37:29 So I think I'm more willing to spend 50 bucks on a ride than I am on a bourbon just because there's not as many things to pick up that said, I mean, it's not a great value. If this was $35, I'd be like, oh yeah, good value. And fifty. I'm just going to give it a six out of ten. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Bob six out of ten on the value it. Hmm, I almost want to give it a 5. I'll stick with a 6. It's a decent value but honestly, it needs to be like a 38 dollar bottle of whiskey. All right, so Brad, what are you coming out to? I'm not a 35.5. I am at a thirty five point zero. So we're coming out to a 35-point, 25 out of 50 or A 70 and a half out of 100.

38:15 We are just at that point where we would normally start recommending to try or to buy. I would say, go ahead and give this a try at the bar. Like, I don't think about for would cost you that much. It's probably gonna be about 10 bucks for a poor. It's decent, like it's pretty good. I just don't know if I would say pull the trigger on a 50 dollar bottle of it. Yeah, I think the thing for me is it's not unique enough to make me want to spend $50 or even 10 Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I'm going to recommend by or try. Wow. Yeah, I'll recommend try but not by. So we have another expression of this coming up next week. It is the wisemen bourbon. So we'll give that one a try as we kick off next week's miniseries. But Brad, let's get back into talking about silence. What do you say suffering?

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40:28 Yeah, I feel it, man. Yeah. You know, what does have something that stands out Bob to fax in a faucet to fax it up? Also Canada's favorite segments? This is where Brad tries pretty successfully to stump me. I think I'm sitting at like two and four on the season. Right now, I have to go back and check my record but like, not off to a good start with this season. Brad for me. It yeah, it's a little rough for you, man. I'm I would say I'm feeling it for you but I'm just sitting happy man. Yeah you're succeeding over here you're winning at life right now. I feel great. All right Brad you're just know that your failure brings. Brings me. Great joy.

41:09 You know that's a house that's like the theme of Silence that my failure gives you life. Yeah it does. Alright man hit me with these three supposed facts, one of which is false facts. Number one, this is the first film for Adam Driver since Midnight, Special also released in 2016 and he lost over 40 pounds for the role of Guru pay. Fact, number two, Daniel Day-Lewis and Liam Neeson replaced each other in projects that were both stuck in development for years. Nissan was supposed to play Abraham, Lincoln and Daniel Day-Lewis was supposed to play father Ferreira but when nice and dropped out of Lincoln, Daniel Day-Lewis replaced him and later Neeson was chosen as father, Ferreira fax number three, shinya tsukamoto who played mochi. Chi chi in the film is a huge fan of Martin Scorsese and like immediately applied for the role when the casting call went out. But Scorsese was like wildly confused. When the application like reached his desk because he was questioning, if this was really the director of tetsuo the Iron Man from 1989, that wanted to act in his film. Wow, I have no idea.

42:29 Um, I am pretty sure that Adam Driver had like three or four movies come out in 2016 Midnight, Special, which is a pretty good movie and then he had one that was called Patterson and then he had this one. So I know he lost a ton of weight, I but I don't know if you're trying to trick me with like this is his first movie since midnight special, but unless you're trying to get me on a technicality, I'm going to say one is true too. I think is also true because I remember when they were We were developing the Lincoln project with Liam Neeson and then it, then it pivoted over to Daniel Day-Lewis. So three seems to me to be the falsehood, but I have no idea.

43:10 Like, I don't know anything about what you're saying with number three. So you could be trying to trick me. I'm gonna hope that you're not being super nitpicky about number one and the and the movies that Adam Driver made in 2016, and I'm going to say three is the falsehood. Hmm. Yeah, I'm being a little bit nitpicky, Bob. Come on, man. He he lost over 60 pounds for the role and this was not his first movie since drivers. Not dude. I thought you said you were never gonna do it like this. When you when you when you draft it up, your questions. I wasn't. I guess I'll say this. As I was drafting this question. I didn't think I was being super nitpicky, but do we know the order they were filmed in like maybe this was his first movie since midnight. I don't know about order was filmed in order of release was driver since midnight, Patterson and then sigh. This seems very nitpicky.

44:07 I will also say that if he lost over 60 pounds, that also means that he lost over 40 pounds. He still did lose over for. That's like that. Question of like how many you know like how many months have 28 days and it's all of them, all of them. Yeah, yeah yeah that's like somebody asked me the other day. How do you pronounce the capital of Kentucky is a low level or Louisville and I told them, it's frankly. Yeah. And and he was like, you're the first person who ever got that. Everybody else goes wrong. I, I don't know if I want to take the L on this man. Like I knew what the three movies were, I think we should arm wrestle.

44:48 I think we should leave it up to our patrons, okay? Let's see what they say. Yeah, I'm in. All right. Answer is what are your thoughts? What do you think, did Brad? Did Brad get me or not? Did I do them dirty? All right, man, let's get back into talking about silence. I think it is time for us to kind of dive into some of the deeper themes here. Brad, I sent you an article before we recorded this, and it was in the New York Times a couple weeks ago, and it was really beautiful. It was, it was a podcast at the New York Times does and I was reading the transcript of this podcast and it was an interview with a pastor who had experienced like significant trauma and burn out as a result of pastoring through the pandemic and also Rule the polluted politicization of America, over the last five years, six years.

45:35 And there's a quote in that article that I want to read. And I think it's going to kind of frame my take, on this movie for the rest of the episode. So in this story, The Pastor's talking about how they had gone through. This big vote for something as a church. And they had really done everything, they could to make it as transparent as possible and give people a voice and then the vote went one way and everybody who disagreed you know like gave the pastor of Each of crap they got on social media. They had like a whole group of people basically saying that like this pastor is a bad leader and bad-mouthing him publicly because you know the church decided democratically to do something and this is what he says. He says and I realized at that moment that being a pastor, is this really precarious little spot.

46:20 You sit in that people project, all of their wants and needs and demands expectations. Unrealised hopes on to you. But when you don't meet them, they're posed with the response either. They're going to reject you or ruin, you or abandon you and Brad. I think we're at a really interesting place in the history of American Christianity, where you are seeing pastors, drop out of the ministry, like at an alarming rate, and it's a result of the tension of trying to. I don't say, please people but keep, you know, they're their flock for lack of a better term. Satisfied and engaged, and also experiencing the trauma and the burnout of losing people and having people burn you.

47:07 And I watched this movie and that's not necessarily what's happening to Andrew, Garfield's character. But what really moved me this time around, wasn't the theological like is he doing the right thing? Is he actually listening to the doctrines of the church has historically held is he is he a heretic? The thing that really moved me. He was watching this through the lens of a pastor because I think that this movie might be the best depiction I've ever seen of what it means to be. A pastor, like, Andrew Garfield is wrestling on The Daily and this movie. Like, do I heed the words that I know to be true in scripture where Jesus says, like, if you reject me before people, I will reject you and do I hold people to that standard even if it means they're going to die.

47:59 I make them go to their death and then when it's turned on him and he, he is confronted with. Like, if you don't do this thing, if you don't apostatize, we will kill all these other people who are in your care and they will be innocent victims of your stubbornness. That's kind of how its framed to him. And his question is like, how do I care for the people who are under my care, under my supervision, as a pastor? When you look at the movie through that lens, whether or not Not you agree with what Andrew Garfield did. I really think it helps people understand the position that clergy of all faiths. I would say in America and throughout the world are in.

48:43 Yeah. I mean my first thought coming off of that Bob, is that like Being a pastor is really tough. Yeah, today's society. Like yes, I this might be facetious but like it makes me think about how it seems like every year at least. Once a year, some major news Outlet will like right along article about how evil the Catholic churches. And there's part of me that reads those things and I'm like do you not like understand the Catholic Church them, not changing their position. Isn't anything new right? And in the face of like moments, like that, I think about how hard it has to be to be a pastor, or a priest or, you know, some sort of minister in today's world where it's like, no, we've held these tenants for hundreds of years. And yet now, they are being completely castigated for them. And then in the midst of that, where the culture is castigating them.

49:45 Their own flock has such wildly diverse opinions about how they ought to be pastoring and ministering to the congregation that it is just a recipe for burn out there. There is massive immense pressure from the outside facing gargantuan pressure from the inside as well. And you're right. Like you see that in Andrew Garfield man. The the way that the the Japanese villagers who are Christian Respond to them is like an overwhelming amount of pressure. Like we like we haven't been able to properly practice the faith in decades because no priests have been here.

50:27 And now we're able to have our sins forgiven and now we're able to do all these things. And at first you see Garfield like he's like all about it and energized by it. But by the end of the film, he has gone from being energized by the cool parts of being a minister 20 like the Suffering is brutal and I don't know if I can handle this. Yeah. And I mean, like, Andrew Garfield doesn't have to worry about the, the kind of trivial things that we have to deal with in the American Church of like, am I satisfying people's kind of consumer mentality. But, but in his, you know, in what he's dealing with its Amplified, it's turned up to 11 because he is he's dealing with life and death literally. And like what is my job here?

51:11 As a, pastor is my job to make sure people are following the but I don't see the letter of the law but like, you know, Orthodoxy and right beliefs or is my job to do, what I can to protect my flock and that's ultimately, like, what the ending of this movie is about when he is confronted with the fumi a with like this, very crudely carved image of Jesus and asked step on it as a way of like, stomping on Jesus and what Scorsese and what endow the the author of the book has happened at the Dove of the story is that he hears the voice of Jesus Calling to him and telling him to Stomp. Like This is what I came here for.

51:52 I came to be stomped on by people like it's okay. Go ahead and do it. And again, I'm not saying I agree with that, but I think what Scorsese does. So brilliantly here is he doesn't just make the question of like, is it right? Or not to stomp on Jesus. A question, but he puts you in the emotional state of Andrew Garfield, where it's like. All right. Well, The alternative is like if I don't stop and I stand on my principles, then I really am responsible for the death of other people. And I love that there is, there's just no easy answer to any of these questions and they continued even after that climactic moment in the movie. No, there's really no easy answers to it.

52:34 I will say to kind of jump away from the the moral quandary. We're talking about for a second. I actually think that this movie was not graphic enough Tough. Hmm, there's part of me that like from the time Andrew Garfield has captured. The most graphic thing that they show in the movie is when the waves are overtaking, the three Christians that they kill, you know, who were the leaders of the church in that in that town and outside of that, I like I don't know if this just sounds bad or not, but it doesn't feel like Garfield's crisis of faith is warranted by what you see.

53:15 On screen. Hmm, and I don't know if that's just me. Maybe I'm desensitized by other more violent movies, but there's a part of me that feels like, Scorsese focused so much of the camera work simply on Garfield that you didn't get the sense of the torture that the Japanese were putting these Christians through one thing that I really did like though is that Scorsese allows the camera and the scenes in the pacing to be so patient that It kind of demonstrates that, you know, throughout church history, like we really valorize the martyrs, right? Like we really hold them up as like, wow, they got eaten by lions and like what an incredible thing to do for your faith.

53:58 But like I think the question Scorsese asks, is all right, what would it look like to actually have to watch somebody to eaten by a lion? Like it's not, it's not a simple thing, it's not a quick thing. There is no there's no dignity to it and and Garfield's character talks about how that guy hung on that. That cross in the middle of the sea for like five days, until he basically just starve to death. And it wasn't a quick thing and as much as he wanted it to be a quick thing, it wasn't. And I think because of that like no, there's not that much kind of sudden jarring violence in this movie but because you see how undignified some of these deaths are I do think it. It still has the impact that that Scorsese intends it to Well, that that kind of brings me to my second point. I feel like the big problem with that I have with this movie, is like, how hard Scorsese veers into the realm of gaslighting, where I like the way he portrays, the Japanese is that they are just so manipulative.

55:06 And they literally just keep telling Andrew Garfield. Like this is your fault that they're dying. This is your fault that they're suffering. And the whole time, I'm just sitting there in as an audience, like saying like, no, no, you're the one hanging, these people upside down and cutting a little thing in their ears, so that they don't pass out too quickly, right? Right. You're the one, putting them out in the ocean to die, like, there's no suffering that Andrew Garfield is causing to these people like you are causing all the suffering. And for me, that's just, I don't know. It took away from the impact of the movie for me. Did you feel like there's anything there? No, not so much because I feel like every every time you can kind of come to a simplistic, not want to call what you're saying simplistic.

55:53 But like to an easy answer, there's something else in the movie that counters it. You know what I mean? That that makes it more complicated. And for me that thing is when he has that face-to-face with Liam Neeson and Liam Neeson is basically saying, you know, you think, you think that I'm a heretic and you think that I'm a bad person but like how do you know that what you're trying to teach these people is even Taking root and he walks through kind of the like translational issues that from the very beginning. Like, we tried to teach people what the Son of God meant. And I thought we were talking about the Sun in the sky. And then he says, like, I think he'd goes into like, do you even know what their word for God really means, and it's something you remember what it is. Like I can't, I don't remember this, but it, yeah, but it's like something really trivial. And he's basically saying, like these people were never worshiping God.

56:40 They were worshiping you if you want to do the right thing, as somebody, who is an Object of their devotion then protect them and that's where I'm like, oh my gosh, this is not even a question of right doctor in a wrong doctor and this is a question, like if Liam Neeson's character is actually right about this, what would I do in that situation? And I think that's like, that's the thing that that really, that I love about this movie, and Scorsese like, goes into in depth, in this, on, in interviews about the movie. He talks about how like, his faith has evolved quote-unquote. And a lot of times, I just means, like, I don't believe what I To believe I want to find something that matches, what I think should be the case. But for me at least what I will say is this, it is really easy to sit in a seminary classroom and learn about like what the right thing to believe is to make a system work because if one piece of the system falls apart the rest of the system doesn't work and so you know it's really really easy to be like oh my gosh that person's a heretic that person doesn't believe the right thing.

57:43 I can't believe they're leading people astray. Tray with this this and this thought and then you get out into the real world of like ministering to people and you realize I have not necessarily cracked. Open my Systematic, Theology book in like five years because a no one is asking me questions that are specifically related to what my thoughts on like Martin Luther and the response to the Reformation is, but be like, when you start dealing with the intricacies and the complexities of the real world, it's just not as black and white. Eat as it is, when you're in college. And I think this is like a really good demonstration of me sitting in my like marble Tower, scoffing at all, the feet on the ground who aren't doing it the right way. And then me getting out in the real world and being like, Oh yeah, there's a lot tougher decision to play that. I wasn't factoring it.

58:34 See I, I just, I really struggle with that because for me, the scene with Liam Neeson was One of the least convincing scenes of the movie, because he talks about how the faith hasn't taken Rouge that Japan is a swamp and it, you know, it, nothing grows here and I'm like, well, if that's the kind of the message that you're shooting for, then why did you show the faithfulness of the villagers and The outlying Villages of the country? Because in my opinion, they are clearly not worshiping group a and and Rodriguez Their faith would have dissipated long ago if they were just worshiping a preseason. Like I have every faith is real and genuine And so for me like the position of the Japanese government and of Liam Neeson, just feels patently wrong.

59:33 Like it is not true. It feels like no they just didn't like Christianity so they are trying to stomp it out for me. I never once in the movie got a sense of moral quandary of like well maybe the Japanese are right and it's a swamp and it can't grow. It's like no it very obvious. Grew. Yeah, and you stomped it out. Oh, I agree. I think that. But what I, what I really like about it though. Is that do you remember when we did do the right thing? And a lot of what we said was like, nobody really does the right thing and that movie. Hmm, it's kind of the same way here, except almost the inverse, where I think everybody has some bit of Truth to what they're saying, but I don't completely, I can't trust anyone 100% in this movie. And when it comes to Garfield's character, like at the end of the movie, he apostatize has and you're like, oh man, he did it. And at first, you're like, well, at least I kind of understand why he did it and then they go into this really extended epilogue.

1:00:34 And to your point about Scorsese, the dude knows how to do movie endings. The last 25 minutes of this movie or the best part. They're like the exact opposite of the Return of the King ending. It's like the same. It keeps going on and on and on, but it just gets more and more depressing. Yeah, and if more and more happy and more gray, like there's more questions that arise and the great thing about it is he doesn't dwell on any one of these scenes long enough for you to really like grapple with them, he's just like and then this happened and that complicates things, and then this happened and this complicates things and you find out that Andrew Garfield for, you know, decades and decades basically ends up working for the Japanese government.

1:01:14 Alongside Liam Neeson in like, sniffing out Christian stuff and like, throwing other Christians. Under the bus. But then every once in a while, you'll see that, he kind of still believes this. And he's smuggling and artifact here, they're too kitschy, gyro or to the Japanese church. Is he still a Christian? Is he not still accretion it? Does he think that this is the best way to be a Christian by like publicly denying and then working in the background. But but then he'll do something that seems so egregious that you're like he can't really be a Christian. And man, I like, I don't agree with most of what Andrew Garfield doesn't. The end of this movie, but the questions still remain. Like, what is a Christian?

1:01:56 Can you be a Christian while publicly denying that you're a Christian? It goes. It goes all the way back to the question of Peter denying Jesus, three times. Do you have to be reconciled? Do you have to be restored publicly? Can you with your final breath? Like Andrew Garfield, like still be clinging to that cross and be considered a Christian. It's just, it's such a good ending to this movie and it's Is that will never really be able to answer. Yeah, but even with Peter man, he said, like Satan has asked to sift, you like wheat? But when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers and like Peter spends the rest of his life. Strengthening the brother.

1:02:37 Yeah. And I'm pretty sure he's the one that gets as it, is it him or John, that gets crucified upside down. That was John, no, no, John, no, that was Peter. John Dies of old age on Patmos that? That's right. Yeah. So like I don't know. I really struggle with the ending of this film. I, to me, it feels Feels like maybe that maybe this is putting something on Scorsese. That's not there. But it feels like the last 20 minutes of this movie are where Scorsese feels like he's at in his life. I agree. It's against definitely like it's almost like wish fulfillment. Hmm. You know I mean and and I found out in researching it to that like that last moment of Rodriguez holding on to that cross in the barrel that's being burnt. That's a Scorsese insertion like that's not The original text at all.

1:03:25 Yeah, and I think it's very telling that Scorsese still wants to be able to believe that Rodriguez is a Christian and that he can hold these things near and dear to his heart while publicly denying them and you're a hundred percent, right? I think it says more about Scorsese than it says about even the characters in the movie. Yeah. And that, that's the struggle I have with this film. I don't, I don't know. I've been reading c.s. Lewis lately and reading a set of his essays. In a book called the way to glory. And in this one essay. Well, I mean, it was a speech that he gave in the middle of World War Two. He talks about he's talking to a bunch of pacifists about why he see us Louis is not a pacifist and he talks about how in his opinion, like one of the biggest struggles with the pacifist position is that the greatest evil is suffering and death and he just can't find In proof that suffering and death are truly the greatest evil, a person can experience.

1:04:30 And I feel like this movie is Holy is completely based on this question of like is suffering and death. The worst thing that can happen to a person actually it? Sorry, let me rephrase that it's not based around that question. It assumes that as the underlying principle that suffering and death is the worst thing that can happen to a person therefore you should apostatize to prevent suffering and death from happening to other people. And like, Louis would just disagree flat-out disagree with that. And I, you know, I am nowhere near the intellectual giant that CS Lewis's.

1:05:14 So I don't know man. I like I think this movie is fascinating but I'm wondering if the very premise of the movie is a little bit flawed. I mean, I do think that it's important. And for us to acknowledge and like, obviously, if you've listened this long in the podcast, you know, that like Brad and I obviously went to Seminary, we are both in some capacity, like, pastoring people and we believe this stuff. Like, we are Christians reading reviews of this movie from atheists, is I think really enlightening to because like to them, they're like, this is a no-brainer. Why wouldn't you just step on the thing? And so, it really does kind of depend on the lens that you're looking at this movie from. And I would just ask that anyone who's hearing our take on it, understand that are the world view that We're coming from is like, hey, we believe this stuff we're actually in the same boat as the, the missionaries in this movie.

1:06:00 And so, the struggle for us is the same struggle that they're going through and when you look at it as an outside Observer and you're like, oh yeah, this is a no-brainer, you know, I think it simplifies it a little bit too much, man. Bob, you know what we should have done, what's that? We should have found a token atheist to have on the podcast so can a man that's what we should have done to get the, get the opposed View on silence Brad. I think it's time for final scores, man. This is this is a hard movie to rate and it gets back to like the how do you capture Christianity on film discussion that we keep kind of circling and we still haven't done that bonus episode yet. But Hmm, this isn't like a God's Not Dead which is just a crap movie like but it's also very different to me than, like, Passion of the Christ.

1:06:47 Which I think now, with almost 20 years of distance, I can look back on Passion of the Christ and be like, this was is used as a pretty important tool for people to see like violence and like what can happen to the human body? When it's tortured. And when you believe that, that's Jesus, it's a very effective tool but also like it's not really a great movie. And I think I'm like, okay saying that now, this is different than that because I think this is just a much better made film. And it asks more challenging questions than Passion of the Christ did, but it falls into that same boat, where it's like we do believe this stuff. So like me, Can you evaluate the movie as a film? And I think as a film I'm gonna give it an eight and a half out of ten.

1:07:30 It's not a perfect movie but it has a lot going for it and obviously like we have been very affected by it. I'll just flat out say like as Mochi. She died in the waves. I was weeping. Hmm. Like I don't think I could watch this movie without weeping as I look at his sacrifice for, you know, our lord Jesus. Disgraced like that gets me but you're right. Bobbi gets me because I believe in this stuff right? Because I'm down with it. Yeah I found a really cool little tidbit that after watching this movie Terrence Malick the director of the tree of life also a very you know Christian heavy themed movie wrote a letter to Scorsese and he said this in his letter he said, one comes away, wondering what our task in life is what is it that Christ asks of us. And what Shapes.

1:08:24 Will he assumed in these dark times? Like those of old, he might appear as you show. Even in those who opposed the faith or betray it, like, Judas or Pilot, his love seems to be wider for it and, you know, he's calling back to the character of key gyro, but I just love that. Malik. Is he even struggling with? Like I saw this movie, I don't know what to make, like, what is Jesus actually asking us to do? And that's, I mean, that's, that's the, the point of the movie. Yeah. Yeah. What would Christ have for us in this broken world? And that is that's a really hard question. Bob as you said like jumping into the real world of ministering to people and caring for them.

1:09:08 And in times of struggle and darkness and Brokenness. The question, like, what does Jesus have for me in this? What would he have me? Do who, what kind of a person, would he have me? Be, that's a really hard question and it's a really important one. The With it for anyone who considers themselves a follower of Christ. I think, as far as the Movie silence goes, I think I'll give it an 8 out of 10 Bob. There's a lot of issues that I have with it Beyond, just the philosophical stuff going on. It is wildly slow-paced and I like that, it does that, but it's still slow and I'm gonna dock it a little bit for that. I wish Andrew, I wish that Adam Driver. Who was the lead?

1:09:56 I wish that they had good accents, that there's definitely. There's definitely a few things going on here, but overall, it's still Scorsese, there's still, he just man. Scorsese is just like the master of the mic drop, like, he hits the end of his movie drops. The mic and is like, yeah, think about that, for the next three months, right? Like he does that with every movie, he does it with silence. So it's still an incredibly well, Film, just not, not my favorite Scorsese, but still really good. But we want to know what you think you've listened to us. Talk about it for over an hour now. So, if you've seen silence, we want to hear your opinion on it. You can find us on social media on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram at film whiskey, or you can jump on our Discord. We are on there.

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