Shrek / Calumet Farms 15-Year "Whirlaway" Bourbon

0:00 In 2001, stars Mike Myers and Eddie Murphy gave the world a satirical look at the land of Make believe with needle drops galore. In 2024, we try to spin our experience with this brand into a positive the. Film is Shrek. The whiskey is Calumet Farm Whirl Away. And more of you than both. This is the. Film and Whiskey Podcast Welcome to the Film and Whiskey Podcast, where each week we review a classic movie and a glass of whiskey.

0:50 I'm Bob Book. I'm Brad G. And Brad, this week we are watching a movie that can in fact be called a film and that is 2001 Shrek. What of what of your most beloved films? What, Robert? It is definitely one of the films I have watched. I mean, at this point you've seen it. I would guess based on Bob movie standards, you've probably seen this like five or six times by now. Man, all the way through, Yeah. I mean, I probably watched it three or four times as a kid. And then I watched it again about a year ago to confirm whether or not I liked it. And then I had to watch it this week. So yeah, I'm probably up to like 6. Did you like it as a kid?

1:30 I liked it fine. And I was, I was like, you know, 10 years old when this movie came out. Brad so. What? Once again, just like last week, all I can see is like now 11 year old Bob who has a year of Grinch under his belt, sitting with his legs crossed going. I liked that Fine. You know, no. Like, I I enjoyed this significantly more than the Grinch as a kid. And it was goofy and I was at the right age for fart jokes. You know, like it. It definitely played well to an audience of me back in the day. Oh yeah. But it was also one of those movies where we were still doing this thing with the animation where you could just put a big personality in a movie and then the quotes from the movie weren't really great quotes. They were just like a result of that person having a good personality.

2:16 And so I remember, like all of the donkey lines in this movie were like parlance at our school. You know, like everybody would quote and in the morning I'm making waffles. That that easily is the most quoted line from this movie. Yes. Which like, it's not a quote, it's just, you know what I mean? It's just like a line in the movie. It's a statement. But, but there's something about Eddie Murphy saying that that everyone in 2001 was like, Oh my gosh. I want to make waffles in the morning too. I too eat waffles. It's me. That ass is so relatable. Brad, what is your relationship to the film Shrek?

2:56 Man, I mean, I I don't know if I saw it, like right when it came out, but within a year or two, I I know that I saw it. I I don't think I saw it in theaters, but I remember watching it a few times as a kid, really enjoying it, really enjoying like Smash Mouth, right? Like All Star becomes a hit and that band experiences way a way bigger window of relevance than they ever would have had otherwise. But yeah, I remember enjoying it and I remember looking back on it pretty fondly, probably watched it once or twice in college with some friends, like hey, yeah, let's watch Strike. That's a great film and I think Haley and I watched it together maybe like 3-4 years ago and once again had a decent experience with it.

3:43 So this is on like the the higher end of the Brad G bell curve in terms of number of times watched. Yeah, probably like four or five. Wow. That's. Yeah. That's a lot, dude, for Brad it. Is it is. I actually like know this movie a little bit. So I don't want to get too into you know cultural analysis or anything, but I think part of the reason that this movie is look back on so fondly is this is basically the last big movie to come out pre 911 Brad. Like this movie comes out in April of 2001 and it is the second highest grossing film of 2001 behind Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone which is released in November of 2001.

4:24 And like again the first Harry Potter is is fairly bright and cheerful compared to the rest of the Harry Potter series. But you know, like if we're drawing a a nice clean line, the Harry Potter series is is the first series for children that kind of comes out after 911. And it makes sense, like it tips into like more dark, a little bit more cynical at times. And Shrek is also very cynical, but in a really silly way. And I think it's just like we look back on Shrek and we think like, oh, those were the before times, you know what I mean? Like it's it's so it feels so much like the close of the 90s more than it feels like the the kickoff of the 2000s.

5:05 Sure. Because as we continue on this season, Brad, looking at these high grossing movies, I think very rapidly we're going to see that sort of post 911 attitude kick into these movies. I mean, I think that if you look at the 2000s as the birth place of the IP driven movies, right, you can't talk about two movies that did it more than Shrek and Harry Potter. Like Harry Potter obviously 8 movies from 7 books. But Shrek was a little less like they didn't have original content to draw from. They just kind of were like, wow, a lot of people went to see the most recent one, let's make another like.

5:46 And so if anything, in my mind, Shrek almost represents that. The greediness and the sequelization, if you can call it that, of of cinema, almost more deeply than Harry Potter. Oh yeah, at least until you get to Fantastic Beasts. Because at that point it's like we've run out of original content. We just want to make more money. Yeah, let's go get Eddie Redmayne. He'll he'll save this series And Johnny and Johnny Depp. Famously unproblematic actor Johnny Depp. All right, Brad, as we get into talking about Shrek, I just want to say if you are new to the podcast, welcome. In this season we are looking at the highest grossing films from each year from 1988 to 2019. We are square in the middle of our season and we've already reviewed Harry Potter One, the highest grossing film of this year.

6:39 So we moved down the list to the number two position with Shrek. This is a good time for me to mention. If you can't get enough filming whiskey, I'd love to encourage you to go visit ourpatreonpatreon.com/film Whiskey. This is especially relevant this week, Brad, because next week we're doing something pretty wild, pretty crazy for us. It's 2002, and we could either talk about Star Wars Episode Two, one of the more maligned entries in the Star Wars universe, or we could talk about My Big Fat Greek Wedding, a the little film that could from 2002. And So what we've decided to do is we're going to review both movies. We're releasing My Big Fat Greek Wedding here on the free feed for everybody to listen to. But if you'd like to hear us be Star Wars completists and kind of finish out the prequel trilogy, we're releasing that episode only to our Patreon subscribers. So we have a very special whiskey segment lined up for that one as well.

7:37 If you'd like to get access to exclusive episodes, to longer cuts of our public episodes to uncensored content, you can follow us at three different tiers of support on our Patreon. Once again, that's patreon.com/film whiskey. Brad, I've been talking for a minute. I need to rest my voice. It's very delicate and that means that it's time for our first segment of the day, which we call Brad explains. Brad's going to give us the movie plots with only 60 seconds ticking on the clock, so let's go ahead and hear your take with this little segment that we call. Brad explains. Brad Explains is the part of the podcast where Brad breaks down the plot of the movie that he has just seen, apparently like 6 times. Now, Brad, you should be an expert at Shrek at this point. I think that anybody could watch this movie once and be an expert, cause the plot of this film, I think personally to its credit, is a very simple clock.

8:36 Very straightforward movie, Brad. You have one minute on the clock to spoil this movie. So folks, if you have not seen the 2001 film Shrek, go ahead and hit pause here. Check it out. Come back and listen to Brad. Break it down for us, Brad. One minute, you just you just said that as if there's anybody listening to this podcast who hasn't seen Shrek. Or or that is so motivated to see it now. Oh my. God, you know, it's been, it's been 20 years, but I think now it's finally doing it. We're going to boot up the old VHS player and put on Shrek. You have one minute on the clock and go. Shrek is a film about an ogre who has his land occupied by the local Prince named Prince Farquad by a bunch of fairy tale creatures. In an effort to get the creatures kicked off his land, he goes on an intrepid adventure with his trusty sidekick known as Donkey to meet Lord Farquad.

9:34 Lord Farquad sends him to save a Princess that will make him a king. In route. He falls in love with the Princess, who has a little secret of her own that she turns into an ogre. Every night there's a misunderstanding and the Princess gets angry with the ogre and at the end of the day they reunite, kick the crap out of Lord Farquaad because he sucks and they live happily ever after. And boom goes the dynamite. Boom. You know, Brad, this is a film full of of very dirty jokes, but I had never put two and two together until you said she turns into an ogre every night. And I was like, yeah, she does baby a a lady in the streets, but a freak in the bed.

10:19 A freak in the sheets, Bob. Well, yes, I I'm quoting. I'm quoting the Usher song. Yeah. OK, let's dive into the movie. I think we should start with performances because last week we put off performances until like the 50 minute mark. No, let's start with Mike Myers. OK, so it's it's very famous that this movie had been in development for years and years and Chris Farley had been attached to play Shrek, a very non Scottish version of Shrek. There is still surviving recordings of Farley reading some of the scenes and then he tragically dies. They bring in Mike Myers. Mike Myers rerecords all the dialogue as Mike Myers and he is at the height of his power in Hollywood. Two really successful Austin Powers movies after two very successful Wayne's World movies.

11:08 He is perhaps the biggest comedy star in the world, probably up there with Ben Stiller at this time, and he decided go ahead, sorry. Can't forget the cult classic So I Married an axe murderer. Back in what, 9293, he was still riding high off the success of So I Married An Axe Murderer. That's that's right. So he does this whole movie as an American and then decides, you know what? I do this one accent really well and I've done it in everything I've ever been in. Maybe Shrek should be Scottish and he apparently had the juice in Hollywood that they were just like, yeah, sure, Shrek Scottish now. And so once again, they re recorded the entire movie with Shrek now giving his famous Scottish accent.

11:50 Brad. I mean it. It's kind of hard to talk about this performance because A it is so iconic now. Like it. It is one of the most famous animated characters ever up there with probably like Woody. Like, I don't even know who else would be in this echelon. Shrek is just Shrek. He has a voice that is Scottish. Don't question it. It's just an icon of animated movies. I I was going to say Mickey Mouse might have the only other like just as famous voice because like what? Like, Woody is probably one of the most famous characters, but it's just it's just Tom Hanks being Tom Hanks. Right. Well, that's kind of what I'm saying with Mike Myers too. It's like, you know, it's it's it's Mike Meyers doing his Scottish thing, but because it it goes so well with this character and you can't divorce it from each other anymore. No, no.

12:39 I mean, at any point in anywhere in this country, you could go donkey and like everybody in the room will know who you're talking about. I used to say there's a moment in this movie where he says hold the phone. And I used to say it all the time as Shrek because it's just such a great hold the phone. Like it's such a great little thing and no one. That's not one of the things people quote. So everyone's like, what are you doing? And I'm like, it's from Shrek, He goes. Hold the phone. On man, Here's the thing man, there are an incredible amount of great little one liners that I noticed this time around that like for some reason hadn't stuck out to me before.

13:22 But man oh man, while this script is not deep or very, I don't know, it's insightful, well written, there's there's quite a few good one liners in this. Absolutely. And I think that's, you know, I'm going to hold off on, on criticizing the movie. I do have massive critiques to give on this movie, but it's big. I do think we should get through the actors first because these are definitely very committed performances. And I think, I think Mike Myers is one that I don't really have a lot of notes to give. Like it's just he created an iconic character here. And I'm so used to seeing Shrek now that it's like I I don't even know how to evaluate the performance.

14:07 It just is, Shrek. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, 100%. I mean, maybe someday we could do this as a bonus episode, but like, if you had a Mount Rushmore of like, most famous animated characters, Shrek is probably on that, right? Yeah, I mean, I do wonder how this movie not holds up with this generation, but like, what's the impact right now? What's the? Is it as widespread or is it? Has he been replaced with Gru from Despicable Me is Steve Carell, You know what I mean? I'm just saying like among small children, because those movies are still coming out, there's not really Shrek's coming out anymore.

14:49 Sure. I mean, you got, what was it, Puss in Boots a few years back. So they're still doing it, man. Still milking that cow. Milking that ogre. Yes, they are. The the thing for me with Mike Myers as Shrek is that it feels like Shrek the character is the home that Mike Myers Scottish accent was looking for his whole life. Does that make sense? Because like I I think about him in So I married an axe murderer and he he, you know he just plays normal. Mike Myers, No Scottish accent. But there are a few scenes with his dad played by Mike Myers, the the character's dad.

15:34 And he's singing like Rod Stewart If you think I'm sexy in a Scottish accent, right. And it's like good and classic and funny and then you have him being fat bastard in the Austin Powers movies. Great like great use of the accent but it feels like they dress him up in the kilt and it's it's the whole thing. It just feels too on the nose. Whereas like Shrek the Ogre, it just feels like ogres should come from Scotland. And like, I don't think of, Hey man, I got Scottish in my back. Listen, I want to say to all of our Scottish listeners I do not endorse this opinion right now. Come on man, there's there's mocks everywhere.

16:14 Yourself. Yeah, I was going to say what? What does it mean that ogres should come from Scotland? It's because half of Scotland is a swamp, bro. That makes sense. OK. Tell me I'm wrong. So it's nothing against the way that the people look or smell. No. It's the it's the the terrain. Yeah, it's it's the train. It's it's a giant swamp. Beautiful. Incredible. I want to go there. They make gods. They. They make gods. Liquid. OK. But what I'm saying is the character of Shrek feels like the place that I don't think of that accent as Mike Myers doing a Scottish accent.

16:55 I think of that as Shrek, You know what I mean? Where it's like now. Now I go back and I watch Toy Story and I think of that as like, oh, that's like Tom Hanks being really excited the whole time. And whereas, like, I watch this and I'm like, oh, that's just who Shrek is. Like, I I don't even know if there's an actor doing that. Like, I think that Shrek just came to life one day in the studio. Yeah, it's funny because, you know, as a kid I didn't really have exposure to, so I married an axe murderer and I think I had seen the second Austin Powers with Fat Bastard. But you don't put two and two together. That Mike Myers has been doing this accent for a decade. And so it it kind of feels like now I've seen the sausage get made, Shrek doesn't feel quite as special.

17:39 But then you watch the movie and you're you're 100% right. It's it's the perfect place for this voice. And I think it's evidenced by the fact that he doesn't do the voice anywhere else after this. Like he's not in other movies doing this accent anymore. In fact, I think the only other Mike Myers movie we've done on the podcast is when he was in Inglorious Basterds for, you know, 45 seconds doing a very, you know, hoity toity British accent. So he's he's like I'll, I'll move to a different one of the British Isles here and just do that accent instead. But I I think you're 100% right, man. And this is kind of my segue into talking about Eddie Murphy, who is just doing Eddie Murphy. And he's not even just doing Eddie Murphy, but he's doing exaggerated.

18:25 Yes. Like, like when you think about if you were going to go watch a comedian do an Eddie Murphy impression, it's the most broad strokes version of Eddie Murphy. And I think a good comparison point is Robin Williams as Genie. And we kind of talked about this a little bit. Well, we kind of talked about this a little bit last week with Jim Carrey, that he's just riffing and they're just kind of letting the camera roll for a while. But with Robin Williams, I never got the sense that he was being any larger than Robin Williams was typically like he was just a big personality. And it part of the joy of watching Genie is that you're really just watching Robin Williams be Robin Williams.

19:07 And in this movie, it feels like Eddie Murphy, who is one of the best comedians to ever do it. Like, let let me be clear about this. It feels like he's just trying so hard, man. And I like it. It's a silly character for a 10 year old to watch and fall in love with. But I got to be honest, man, donkey donkey's a little bit greeting for me, dude, at this age. Who's more grading for you, Jar Jar, Binks or Donkey? There's no. Well, I think the real question is what if Eddie Murphy had played Jar Jar Binks? That would have been very bad. I can't imagine that turning out good.

19:47 No. Here's the thing. I think that the reason Donkey works as a character for me, and the performance works is because of the few soft moments that he has with Shrek and Fiona. Where as hard in the paint as Eddie Murphy goes with and in the morning I'm making waffles. He goes just as hard into the I'm trying to understand the people I'm with and he, like, plays that role of therapist. I I think incredibly well as he's trying to help these characters come to grips with who they are and the the overturned expectations of what an ogre should be like and what a Princess should look like like.

20:34 Donkey does an incredible job and I I think this is part of the writing of the character as well as the performance. But he does an incredible job of letting them be who they are and challenging them in a way that does not come across as like, demeaning or rude. I'm I'm with you. I actually think Donkey is probably the best written character in the movie, but Eddie Murphy has also been for a long time a really underrated dramatic actor because he doesn't take on straight dramas. The closest that I think he got was when he was Oscar nominated for the movie Dream Girls. But he made a movie a few years ago called Dolomite Is My Name, which was hilarious. But also like, I I feel like he should have won an Oscar for this movie.

21:16 And the moments that he gets where he's not pouting but, you know, reflective, and even the moments where he's scolding Shrek towards the end of the movie about like, we've had it with yourself, Pity, man. Like people love you and you need to get over yourself. It's really well done. And when he drops the stick, I think it's a really great character and a really great performance. It's just that they front load this thing with so much shtick that it, it seems like the second-half of the movie for me almost is trying to dig itself out of the hole that the first half created. I don't know if you had the same experience and I know I'm talking like outside of just the performances now, but I think the performances get better in the second-half and I think the movie overall does.

22:03 But it definitely, you know, up until Cameron Diaz shows up, I was not having a good time with this movie. Brad. Yeah, I mean the the film is very deeply split into two halves and like the first half is establishing who Shrek is, who Donkey is, and let's just be funny and silly and get everybody hooked. And then the second-half of the film is this drama as lightly as you can put it in this film. It is a drama of coming to grips with who you are and once you've done that, allowing yourself to grow. And I like, I think that part's done incredibly well. I think opposed to you, Bob.

22:48 I actually think that the first half of this film accomplishes what it's going for for me. It's the dissonance between those two halves that causes me to struggle a little bit with the movie. But I I think that they succeed at the individual parts, but put together I don't know if they become something greater than the sum of their parts. Yeah, I agree with that. Maybe we should finish talking about Cameron Diaz as a character because, you know, like, I've never thought Cameron Diaz was a great actress and I don't think that she's a particularly great voice actress. I mean, the voice works great. You know, it's it, it does what it needs to do. But there's nothing particularly memorable about the voice performance itself. But I do think that the writing for this movie really clicks into place when her character shows up. Because for me, what didn't work about the first half was the dynamic between Shrek and Donkey. And Shrek obviously is very insecure, is pushing people away.

23:44 Donkey wants Community so badly that he's annoyingly trying to beat that door down. I did feel like the movie went overboard in just how mean Shrek is. And also like, they they don't have enough of a dynamic or a rapport yet to have those kind of sweet moments or even charming moments. And so they kind of stuff it full of fart jokes and dirty humor and pop culture references. And like, the first half is just super clunky to me. And then Cameron Diaz shows up and she immediately slides into this role of mediator between the two of them. And the dynamic works perfectly. Like the way that Donkey bounces ideas off of her.

24:25 The way that she and Shrek immediately have this sort of flirtatious, you know, rat a tat with each other and then just watching that triangle of friends. I like the second-half of the movie I have very few complaints about, and I think a lot of it has to do both with Cameron Diaz's performance and also how much better the writing gets. And that's for me, the strength of this movie. And I'll probably, I might speak a little more on this at the end when we're getting scores, but I think that the chemistry between the three main characters, even John Lithgow, to a point, like I think that the four of them, it feels like you have four really veteran actors who are just comfortable in what they've been asked to do, giving just the hell of a great performances.

25:17 And the the way they interact with one another, the way that they play off of each other, man, I, I, I think that that's the strongest part of this movie. Because you're right, man. Once Cameron Diaz, you know Princess Fiona, joins up with Donkey and Shrek, the whole movie just completely takes off. Yeah. I mean, it's really similar to me to the Grinch last week, which I think is a much worse movie than this. But once they finally commit to actually getting into the plot, the movie starts going at a pace that it just was dragging along at. And I think that happens here to a lesser extent. But I was in the theater, I say theater. They did a screening of this movie a couple weeks ago at a local theater and I was like, the timing is perfect. I took my 7 year old with me.

26:05 It was his first time seeing Shrek and he was kind of into the first half. But I think that, you know, we'll talk about this in the second-half. It's like a really violent movie in a way that kids movies aren't violent anymore. And I'm reminded of what we were watching as children of the 90s. But that wasn't really working for him. The fart humor was only kind of tiding him over for so long and all the kids in the theater were super restless for that first 40 ish minutes. And then once they get to that Dragon's Lair and the movie starts going, you could tell how much better things were clicking like the kids settled in their seats, everyone was glued to the screen. And I really do think that it it's a result of Cameron Diaz's character being so crucial to this plot going forward. I.

26:54 I think also though that dragon escape scene is really well written. Absolutely. And like well animated and the the music during that that sequence is, I don't know man. I one of the things that this movie is like praised for but also a little bit lampooned is that it is like needle drop heaven. Like there's just song after song after song with pop culture references. But I I think what people forget is that the dragon escape sequence and like the main love theme between Shrek and Fiona are both, you know, scores written for the movie. They're really good, I agree.

27:34 They're so good. Yeah, I have many issues with all these needle drops, but the actual score for the movie is really, really well done. Brad. Before we get too far off of the performances, let's talk about John Lithgow as Lord Farquaad for a hot 2nd. And the only real note I have is I think that one of the strengths of this movie is character design. You know, donkey is like a a fairly well animated character. He is remembered because Eddie Murphy is donkey. Like if you had put, you know, I don't know, Harrison Ford is the donkey. I don't think he'd be quite as memorable. He's a much more grumpy, you know what I mean? Like. That would have been a. Great, great alternate version of this movie, but I think that Farquaad is actually a great character design. You know, he's a tiny little guy. He he just has the most punchable face, and lithgow's only in this movie for, I don't know, 7 or 8 minutes. Like he's just really not on screen that much. They keep cutting back to him, but it's just these little interstitials and I kept thinking he's in the movie for much longer than he is and he's really not. And I think it's a it's a huge testament both to the voice acting, but even more so to the character design and having him do some really memorable things in the movie that we remember this character more than the screen time would suggest. Yeah, I mean, anytime you can have a character with complete and utter zeal, torturing the gingerbread man and having him dumped into a glass of milk,

29:10 like it's just such an incredible performance. And the way he like we talk about people chewing up scenery in live action films. I feel like John Lithgow is chewing up scenery in this film. Oh yeah, but with so much Glee. Oh, it's so, yeah. Glee is a great way of putting it. That like when he gets lifted out of his horse and the the fake legs stay there Oh. It's such a good touch. Oh, it's perfect. And and it's a perfect little moment that represents all of what Lithgow does with that character. And I Man, what a what a great, great performance.

29:50 I will say the gingerbread man, dunking, waterboarding, you know, amputation scene does not play with children in 2024. Like, yeah, when when I watched it as a kid, I think we had seen enough of these, like fractured fairy tale Lampoon's that it this was the best version of that. But we weren't. We were used to seeing people kind of spoof fairy tales, sure. And I think now, you know, as a culture, we've gotten much more cynical. But our children's media is much more sincere. And so I think the cynicism of this movie and the spoof version of like the, you know, the the angle of this movie, they were looking at that gingerbread man with.

30:34 It was like watching children be exposed to the the first scene in Zero Dark 30. Like they they did not like watching this man get his legs broken off because they thought of him as a real character and not just the gingerbread man. I I mean I I will say like we saw this movie as at earliest you said April of 2001, so as at earliest Bob and I would have been 10 years old when this came out. So like you know the the age difference between 7:00 and 10:00 is not small developmentally. But I I often think that we introduce kids to media way too young as it is. Like I don't think 7 is really early for Shrek, but I'll bet you there were some like 4 to 6 year olds in the theater with you.

31:20 Oh yeah, and like this should not be viewed by them. Like we we went to a Christmas party to watch elf. My church was hosting a Christmas elf party and my my 2 year old, fresh, freshly 3 year old daughter was like scared of the film, like legitimately scared. And it And I I was watching it, trying to think of it from her point of view and I'm like, yeah, like, hey, she doesn't really watch very many things. And B, like this is really fast-paced. There's so much happening on screen. There's a raccoon like hissing at Will Ferrell and jumping at him and the cuts are really fast and I'm like Oh yeah, you know, this, this is my bad.

32:04 Like a three-year old shouldn't be watching this, but you know, here we are. I think there's a lot of directions we can go from that statement in particular and and I do want to talk about the the outdatedness of some of this, but I think more than that, we can push that to the back half really quickly. Though I do want to hit on the way that this movie does adult humor, because I think there's like there's levels to this stuff, you know, I think. Pixar has all there are there layers. To it, Bob. Like an onion. Was that your Scottish accent? No, it was just it was close, silly. OK, I thought. I thought you were going with the Shrek voice there for a minute. I I can try.

32:47 I could do the rest of the episode in the Shrek. Voice if you want, please do. Please do. OK, Especially as we move into the more analytical parts of the episode. What I really want is you to do this in a Scottish accent. Oh. You've got it. I do think that the Pixar movies have always done a really good job of balancing things for kids with things for adults. But the things for adults are not turning at the camera and essentially winking at hey, hey, do you get do you get the double entendre or or even just not even a double entendre. Just like a boner joke, multiple multiple Dick jokes in this movie that are not double entendres, they are single entendres. And it is just it's just a penis, you know?

33:28 There's there's only one entendre. And and I think that that's part of why I've always felt like the humor in this movie is is really cheaply done. I think the kids humor is really cheaply done. You know, the the fart jokes galore. I think that a lot of the pop culture references are lowest common denominator. But this time around it was the stuff that was put in there for the parents that really bothered me the most. Not just because it's stuff that kids shouldn't be exposed to, 'cause it really did like the scene where Farquaad is in bed and they linger on him for an extra 10 seconds just to demonstrate that he has a boner. It's like it went over my kids head. But even then you could kind of tell like he was, he was, like, curious as to why that went on longer than it needed to.

34:15 Like he was. They're all getting restless in their seats as this stuff happens. And I think that they tried so hard to shoehorn in some of these jokes that it messes with the rhythm of the movie. And I think that's kind of my biggest issue with it. Brad is like, it's one thing to have mile a minute jokes. This movie sometimes comes to a halt to make sure that it it makes the joke happen. And because of that, I think the hit rate on these jokes, like they just don't land as frequently as they need to, especially in that first half. So for you it feels kind of like like an SNL skit where they pause a little bit too long waiting for laughter and and they get like about half as much as they expected.

34:56 Yes. Or like they wrote it thinking this is going to be the one that everyone you know thinks is a real knee slapper and then it doesn't get like, but they they wrote themselves into a corner a little bit. The purpose of whole scenes in this movie sometimes is this guy has a boner. But when your audience is too young to know what that means and the parents aren't going to laugh at it out of fear of making their kids go, what? What's going on? Why are you laughing and having an awkward conversation? Then like what's the purpose of this in this movie? Bob, I I think you need to dive deep on what's the purpose of any any boner joke. What is the purpose of comedy? Why do we even?

35:37 Want to hear things? I don't know. Are you with me though? Like, did the adult stuff in this movie work for you, or does it seem out of place? Yeah, I I don't think it bothered me nearly as much, but I also didn't watch it with my child, so. Like in a theatre full of small children, mind you too, yeah. Like that. Like, you know, we always talk about here on the Film Whiskey podcast, like the the way in which you watch a film is important, right? And that's not just the screen that you're watching it on. It's also who you're watching it with. And so I what I'm basically doing here is throwing Bob under the bus for going to watch this with a bunch of children. Yeah. Crucial point to make though is I also had my child with me. I did not go watch this movie.

36:24 Like your Coco? Like my Coco, I learned my lesson. Brad Bob's crying at the end of Shrek with just thousands of children around him. So many boner jokes. All right, man, let's drink some whiskey. What do you say? Let's let's whirl away, Bob. All right, so today we are checking out Calumet Farms Single Rack Black 15 Year Bourbon, Whirl Away. Now, this is some mouthful to say, Brad. And you know, there's just too many words in the name of these whiskeys lately.

37:06 Yeah, there. There really is. Calumet Farms needs to lower the the naming quotient that they have. As we've been talking about the Calumet Farms Single Rack Black program identifies I think no more than 19 barrels or something like that to choose this ultra small batch from. They say that they choose it from the Ultimate or what's it? What is it? The optimal location inside of a Rick house for the best possible whiskey. So here they have sourced 15 year old bourbon whiskey. It's bottled at 105 proof. It's 74% corn, 18% rye, 8% malted barley.

37:49 This is distilled by the Three Springs, Sorry, this is made by Barton I believe and and bottled by the Three Springs Bottling Company in Bowling Green, KY Brad. This went into the barrel in March of 2006. We were in high school. Yeah, I just say we should start giving like do you remember the like in your yearbook at the end they would have that little thing with like things that happened in 2010. We we should do that for the years of these whiskeys going in. I'm such a movie nerd because every time I see this, I'm like, what movie was coming out when this went into the like 2006 was The Departed, Children of Men? What else came out that year?

38:30 Little Miss Sunshine? It was a good year for movies and, apparently, whiskey. Yeah. Yeah, so. Those are some solid offerings. Brad, once again, this is a very ultra rare whiskey because most of it has been snapped up at this point. You have to buy it on the secondary market. Let's dive in because I want to actually give some tasting notes here. You have tried it, I have not, so I'll let you take the lead. Brad. Yeah, Bob on the nose here. I had some. Really. Just really, as as opposed to the last few weeks, really nice, pleasant, rich, deep notes that I would hope for out of a well aged whiskey. I got orange zest. There were some cheesecake notes, some dark chocolate. It was nice and caramely and the oak came through, but just enough to like underlay everything else that was going on.

39:23 I big fan. I I really liked the nose here. I gave it an 8 1/2 out of 10. Yeah, I don't quite know how to put this into words, but this has the sort of oak scent that it comes across more as a spice note. It's almost like if you could add oak spice to something. Like it's it's much dustier than it is that toasted barrel sourness we get sometimes. And it's it's a nice little like cherry on top of the rest of this nose. I'm with you that there's a ton of fruit here. When I first cracked open our sample bottle, I got pear in the glass. I'm with you on orange zest. It just smells like a really nice sawdusty kind of, you know inside of a barn whiskey. I really, really like this, man.

40:07 I'm gonna give it an 8 out of 10 on the nose. Yeah, and as I as I got into the palate, I came down a little bit from where I was at on the nose. But it still has some great flavors going on. My my wife has been really into making sourdough bread lately, and as I drank this I was like, oh, this just really deeply reminds me of like toasted sourdough with like with salted butter on it. The the char of the oak kind of comes through, the caramel is there. It almost turns peanutty a little bit and I I think for me the fruit started to come through more on my second and third sip where I I got kind of a a darker prune dark cherry like a a really nice bit of complexity to it came down a little bit from the nose for me though. I'll give it a 7 1/2 here on the taste. Brad, I'm I'm in lockstep with you today. I think your notes on this are pretty fantastic. If I had to compare this to something, it reminds me a lot of drinking a barrel proof wheat, not wheat whiskey but weeded bourbon or even like a four grain bourbon. We had a bourbon at the Kentucky Bourbon Festival last year from Lux Row that was a four grain that I really, really loved and this reminds me of that.

41:28 There's it's got those cherry notes that we really like in weeded whiskey, but it carries that sort of dustiness and softness with it as well in that weeded bourbons typically have. Now, again, there's no wheat in this mash bill, but it's kind of mimicking that on the pallet for me. I'm with you that right on the tip of my tongue. There's an almost sour note there and it does carry through, but you get those really nice dusty fruity notes on top of it. I like this a lot. This is significantly better than the last two we've had from Calumet. Brad, I'm gonna give this a I'll give it an 8 again. Yeah, I I think that the finish it, it kind of balances out for me on the finish. I'll give it an 8 out of 10 here. I think a nice bit of like fresh leather comes through, it gets a little spicier.

42:17 There's some nutmeg and and clove kind of flavors. The oakiness definitely presents itself here most prominently, but not in a way that detracts from the flavor. So I'll I'll give it an 8 out of 10 on the finish, Bob. Yeah, I think I will too. Like, I think my score is probably going to come out even higher than I wanted to hear. But at the end of the day, if it's good, it's good. And I think this is a right around a 7 1/2 to an 8 out of 10 on the finish. I'm just going to stick it an 8 and I think I'll give it an 8.5 on balance. I don't think there's anything here that seems out of the ordinary, Brad, based on what I got on the nose. The pallet kind of logically follows from all those notes and so does the finish. This is a really well balanced whiskey and is it doing anything innovative or knocking my socks off? No, but especially at 15 years old and at only 105 proof, this drinks like a like a cast strength whiskey and I think it's got a ton of character and a ton of body to it. I'm going to give it an 8 1/2 on on balance. I I think what you said about it. It doesn't do anything that knocks your socks off, but it's just a daggone good whiskey.

43:29 All around is where I'm going to land for my value score. I I don't know if I get my balance score I I give it an 8 out of 10. I think it's got really nice complexity and balance. But when I get to value is where I I do kind of struggle because at $120.00 plus, right at this point, I don't know, 150, a hundred and 8200. You could probably get it anywhere in those price points and I wouldn't be surprised, but we'll just call it $120.00. Plus I want this to knock my socks off in some sort of way. I'm not going to give it a bad score, but I'm just going to stick it a six out of 10 here. Yeah, I I mean, I can't.

44:10 I it's 15 years old, I get that. But like Knob Creek is making whiskey at this price point and people pay $130.00 for it, you're not paying $130.00 for this. It's going to be 210 or more. I think that the best I can give this is like a 5 out of 10 on value. And that's assuming that you really like product like this and that you know what you're getting into. So yeah, I'm just going to stick at a 5 out of 10, which brings my final score to a really respectable 37.5 out of 50. How about you, Brad? Bob, I'm a half point above you, 38 out of 50. All right, that takes us to a 37.75 or a 70. Is that a 75?

44:57 No. 75.5 point. Five. Got it. Which takes us to a 75.5 out of 100. So this is below the 80 mark where we typically say something is great, but it's it's above the 35 mark, Brad. Barely. I think this is a worthwhile whiskey. If you know someone that has a bottle of this that's willing to pour it for you, you're going to really, really enjoy this whiskey. Now, if you go to a bar pour, this is probably going to run you at least $20, probably more than that. I still think that in a vacuum, this is probably worth a $20 pour. I don't recommend buying a bottle of it. I just can't justify that price. Hardly ever Brad.

45:40 Yeah, I I think I'm in the same place as you Bob. Maybe if you had one friend to go in on it with and you know get 375 each it might be worth spending half that on a 375. But yeah, I I would say go if you can find this at A at a well stocked whiskey bar, go try it. It it's a very interesting pour that has good solid bourbon experience type flavours. But like you said, I I don't know if there's enough uniqueness here to make it stand out in like, luxury bourbon. All right, man, that's Whirl Away. That's Calumet. I think that's the the 3rd and final Calumet for the season. An interesting brand experience, Brad. I'd never really tried any Calumet before. I'm glad I have.

46:26 I'm glad we didn't have to pay for them, if I'm being honest. With you, I am too. Yeah, I I am too. Thank you for biting that bullet for us, Wes. Great friend of show. It was really interesting doing Calumet three weeks in a row. I we haven't often sat in a luxury brand for that long. Like even when we had, I think it was the end of season 2 or at the end of season three, we had a bunch of like B, TAC level Buffalo Trace products in a row and even that was like different brands from within their portfolio. I think this might be the longest we've ever sat in one luxury brand. Yeah, it's the opposite of the springtime of swill.

47:07 I don't know what you call this, but something alliterative springtime of super expensive whiskey. I I think that's exactly what it was, Bob. It is. All right, man. What do you say we get back into talking about Shrek? Let's get to it. All right, everybody. That was Calumet Farm Whirlaway, a whiskey that somewhat redeemed the brand for us, Bob. Somewhat, yeah. It was a good whiskey. If they had made three consecutive whiskeys like that, I would be singing its praises. Yeah, I I think so too. Like it if if they had had three whiskeys in a row that are like a six to five out of 10 value, but like solid good juice, I I would have been much, much higher singing their praises. It's just really hard when you're doing well aged bourbon. It can get too oaky really, really quick. So fast.

48:02 Yeah, so fast in 15 years. All right, Brad, it's time for me to try to redeem myself because I am on a losing streak when it comes to our next game, which we call 2 facts and a falsehood. Brad is going to try to stump your ball to all right and what is wrong? 2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts and A Falsehood is the part of the show where Brad presents me with three items as fact about the making of this movie, one of which is a complete lie. Brad, I think I'm sitting at 9:00 and 5:00 on the season right now. Does that sound correct?

48:43 It does sound correct to me, Bob. OK, well maybe I should have tried to get away with saying 10 and five, but. I think. I think it was actually 5:00 and 9:00. Yeah, that's right, my. Brain. All right. You've got me at 9:00 and 5:00, and we're talking about a movie that I know only a little bit about the production of, and I've pretty much said everything that I know already. So I am not optimistic about this week, but Brad hit me with your two facts and a falsehood. Fact number one, Shrek was the 7th movie animated by DreamWorks Animation Studios and was comprised of nearly an entirely new team of animators. Due to the dwindling box office revenue of the previous six films, Fact #2, the principal actors in this movie never actually met each other.

49:28 They all read their parts separately, with a reader feeding them lines. John Lithgow later admitted that while he enjoyed playing Lord Farquad, he was a little disappointed that he never actually worked directly with Mike Myers, Cameron Diaz or Eddie Murphy. Fact #3. The song All Star by Smash Mouth heard in the opening credits was only a placeholder song for test screenings until a new song could be found. But the test audience loved it so much that the producers kept it in. After they decided to keep it in, they decided that they would also let the band perform the final song of the movie. I'm a believer. Man, three good facts. Well, two good facts and one good falsehood. Brad.

50:11 Oh, thanks man. OK, number one sticks out to me pretty immediately, just because I didn't realize that DreamWorks had done 7 movies to this point. I know that they had definitely had dwindling returns because around this time is when they did both the Prince of Egypt and then not the sequel to The Prince of Egypt. But they did a movie about Joseph as well that just really did not do well. And I know that Shrek had been delayed for so long because it was all computer animated, it was 3D modeling. So this was like a big deal for them and it was a completely new thing they were moving into. I just don't know if it was 7 movies in and I don't trust you that you wouldn't change one tiny detail like that #3 sounds interesting.

51:00 I want to say 3 is true just because, like I I feel like I remember hearing somewhere that All Star was not supposed to be in the movie, but that it just worked really well. And #2 I just don't know, like, I would like to think that they were in the the studio together at some point, But I mean, this was this was a different time. Who knows? Maybe they had busy schedules. A different era, A different era. I mean, you could. You could work through the films before it. I don't know that I know them all off the top of my head like. Yeah. I I I want what I want to do is ask you if you would be so petty as to just change it from like, oh this was only the 5th movie to this was the 7th movie, but you have already proven yourself to be a person that does that sort of thing before so. I would IA have not proven that because I do not do that, and B no, I would not just take that fact and change it from 6th to 7th or 8th to 7th and then just call it a day. I wouldn't do that.

52:08 OK, well then in that case I will come off of #1 and I will say #2 is the falsehood. I don't feel confident, but that's my final answer. Bob, you have talked yourself out of the correct answer. Oh. No, really. Yeah, you have the the you're you're gonna bitch. The reality is it was not the 7th movie, but there. There's nothing about it being an entirely new team of animators, and he like the entire fact was false, including the fact that it was not their 7th movie. I am got a bitch.

52:54 You're right. I'm so mad at you right now. The you did such a good job at at subtly leading me astray. You. Bastard. The only part of that fact that was true was that Shrek was animated by DreamWorks. You are the Lord Farquad of this podcast, right down to the height differential. Yes, you are the Shrek of this podcast. Right down to the smell. The the ornery ogre. I have layers man. From Scotland all. Right. I'm at 9:00 and 6:00 on the season. Brad continues to piss me off and that is just par for the course here on film and whiskey.

53:36 Brad, let's get back into talking about the movie a little bit. So if you remember, I want to say, I don't know, three seasons ago we started talking about Shrek every now and then. This is a movie that's come up surprisingly frequently on the Film and Whiskey podcast and. Not, not by me to to to make note I do not bring this movie up. Yeah. And Brad, I I think that what I have noted to you is that this movie took on a very different life after its release and after its sequels even. It was a really successful franchise, and I think the second one was maybe the highest grossing movie of like 2004 or right up there. It made even more money than this one did.

54:17 But somewhere around the early 20 tens, Shrek became like an icon of meme culture in ways that weren't related to Shrek at all. Kind of like how your weird boomer Ant uses pictures of minions to talk about things that aren't related to Despicable Me. Shrek did the same thing, but it it ended up taking on like a really weird dark side quest. I don't want to talk about that stuff at all, but what I was trying to tell you, Brad was like, Shrek has become so ingrained in Internet culture that I think people actually retroactively read their familiarity with Shrek back onto the movie. And people act like Shrek. The movie is a timeless classic on par with Casablanca or something.

55:04 And I I mean it is. It is. Of course I. Mean compared to Casablanca. Who is Humphrey Bogart compared to Shrek? But my thing has always been, I don't think Shrek is a bad movie. I just think that we've over inflated it. And we've over inflated it, not because of the movie itself, but because we've seen a lot of weird memes with Shrek in them that people just got familiar with seeing him. And so now it's considered like this iconic movie. You told me that I was crazy and that that wasn't a thing. And I found real evidence, Brad, that that the Internet took Shrek to weird places and it has taken on a life of its own. And I even forced you to read those articles, Brad. And so I I'm not going to ask you for a public apology, but I am not, in fact crazy on this one point. I don't think you are, Bob, based on what I read, unless you, like, fictionally wrote and created these websites. I had no idea that Shrek was such a huge Internet subculture. And I will say this, there's no need to look it up. It's the examples of why the Internet should be abolished. Yeah, I don't want to go down those roads, but I do think that it's a here, I don't know, Here's. Something for Go ahead.

56:24 Here's something for me though, Bob. Like one thing that I have learned in doing, you know, 250 plus movies on this podcast is that IMDb scores for movies like about 70 to 80% of the time is actually a a pretty good metric of where a movie is sitting. And in my opinion, I think a lot of times the general public kind of nails it where movies should sit. This movie has a 7.9 Bob. Come on, dude. Here's here's the thing I I feel like there's a lot of times where we will like, love, or hate a movie, and usually IMDb reflects that on a certain level. And anything that's like at or above 7.67 point 7 usually is a pretty decent movie, and anything below that usually starts falling off on some very obvious ways. I think IMDb kind of nailed this one. Yeah, and I think this is just where I kind of split off from the public.

57:30 I actually enjoyed the hell out of the second-half of this movie. I just think that the first half, and I'm I'm going to sound like a broken record because of the Grinch thing last week, but even more so this week. The first half of this movie is truly a relic of its time. The The style of humor, the endless pop culture references. The weird You don't like the matrix. That was going to say that scene was really funny in the theater because it was building. You could tell they built that entire sequence around wouldn't it be funny if we did The Matrix in a kids movie and at the time it was like, oh shit, they did The Matrix. Like, like I can see people hopping up and down like getting really hype about this, that this has no cultural effect in the twenty 20s.

58:16 Like, people did not know in my theater what this was even a reference to and it then it just becomes a weirdly violent scene of Fiona, like punching a bunch of people. And again, it it gets back to kids. Movies just aren't this violent anymore and I'm not even saying I disagree with it. Like, I love seeing a good ass kicking on screen. It's great. It just doesn't play, and I think like there are just dated aspects of this movie. For comparison's sake, in 2001, Pixar comes out with Monsters, Inc, a movie that features similarly similarly large personalities in Billy Crystal and John Goodman giving incredible voice performances.

58:59 Monsters Inc loses the Oscar for Best Animated Feature to Shrek. Shrek wins first ever. And I got to say man, that was the wrong choice. Monsters Inc is a better movie than this and and I think part of it is the timelessness of Monsters Inc compared to Shrek. And that's not even to say Monsters Inc is completely lacking in like funny pop culture references or puns or things like that. This one just goes so heavy into like it has Smash Mouth in it. Like, come on, it is. Nothing is more 2001 than Shrek wiping his ass with the pages of a fairy tale, flushing the toilet, and then immediately launching into Smash Mouth's All Star. Like, what?

59:44 What did I just watch? It's. Incredible. It is. It is peak cinema. Well, the the the thing that sticks out for me about Shrek is that their goal of the whole movie is to upset expectations, right? And for the first half of the film, it's very obvious that they are just trying to thumb their nose at more corporate feeling expectations of like Disney and what a animated fairy tale movie should be like. And the second-half of the film, they twist that and they just use it to upset expectations of what an ogre should be like and what a Princess should be like within a fairy tale. And I think that when they move into that level of analysis, it works perfectly.

1:00:42 And I think that when you when you move into the first half of the film and allow that level of analysis against Disney and you know all of these other things like it, it works OK. And some of the jokes are funny. And I think that the the thing that keeps carrying you through that is the performances of Myers and and and and Eddie Murphy. And I know that it didn't work for you at the start, but for me, the relationship between the two of them kept me interested through all of the ridiculousness of the cultural references that they're making. I hear you. I think that another way to look at that exact thing though is the second-half of the movie works in a way that completely undermines the first half of the movie.

1:01:29 And and it again, I'm getting back into what we talked about with the Grinch last week, but they want to make a very sentimental point at the end of the movie that is in such conflict with the world they've built in the first half of the movie. You know, Brad, I was reading a 20th anniversary retrospective that somebody wrote who really did not like this movie. And I'm not quite there on all the points he made. But he talked about how Shrek was the first of a long line of animated movies after this that would try to blend cynicism and sentimentality. And I think that one of the things that's really frustrated me about animated movies, in particular the bad ones of the last 20 years, is they're they're so fast-paced, but they're all really mean at heart.

1:02:17 They they're they have mean humor. And what they what happens in all these movies, whether it's the, you know, the worst ones of the Despicable Me movies or freaking the boss baby, all these movies have very mean humor and a cynical outlook on the world. And then in about the 2/3 mark of the movie, it's like the people writing these movies realized the movies and the stories that we're making fun of. And in Shrek's case, the fairy tales that we're making fun of are actually functionally necessary for me to tell my own story. Like, fairy tales work for a reason. They're well told stories. Like we we tell stories a certain way and we follow certain formats, and there's a hero's journey because of the fact that it works. And so they're making fun of how ridiculous and sentimental these things are.

1:03:08 But then at a certain point, they have to go there themselves. And so it's like it it seems like they're trying to have their cake and eat it too. They want to make fun of the Disney movies for being overly cheesy and sentimental. And then at the end of this movie, they're like, well, we kind of have to do that exact same thing. And I think for me, the second-half of the movie, Taken by itself, works really well because it actually tries to be sincere and it's not tongue in cheek and it's not flipping off its own influences. Where the first half of the movie is like, we're so cool, like we're too cool for school here, we can, we can make fun of all these other things that are actually influences on us that we're gonna ape from in the second-half of the movie.

1:03:52 And so that disconnect for me is what keeps us moving from being really successful. And and I think that there's another way of looking at it where you would say the first half of the movie isn't the point. The redemption of the first half is the point. And I think that the second-half of the film kind of redeems those things in their eyes. And the reason I say that is because for Shrek, those things are redeemed like through the point of view of the main character. We start off by wanting to reject the fairy tales that are squatting on our land. We want to get rid of them. And by the end of the film, it's, oh, I've embraced everything that those fairy tales represent.

1:04:35 That's a good point. Yeah, I guess I never thought of it that way. And I I think maybe for me, they just didn't under score enough that Shrek Shrek's whole world view was wrong. Like, we get we get the idea that emotionally he has work to do, 'cause he pushes people away. But I don't know for me if they did a good enough job of, like, actually these these fairy tales have things to teach us too. It it really just seems like they wrapped up Shrek's story and now we're all big one big happy family. But I I see how that could work for you. It's actually a really great point, Brad. Aw, thanks, Bob. And while we're riding high on on, you know, complimenting you, I think it's time for us to get into our last segment of the day, which we call let's make it a double.

1:05:18 We're near the end of the episode, so thanks for listening to the film and whiskey show. Let's favor another film with this one, even if it's struggling. It's a final segment of the day. Now let's make it a double. Let's make it a double is the part of the show where we pick a movie to pair up with this one to make the perfect double feature? Brad, do you want to go first or do you want me to? I'll jump in, Bob. I picked another movie from this era, another movie that I believe came out in the same year. Let me look really quick, came out a year before this. I think it has a similar vibe to this film as far as being a little bit irreverent, a little bit making fun of its own storytelling, fairy tale type of history.

1:06:07 I am gonna pick The Emperor's New Groove. Yeah, I think that's probably the closest that Disney gets to doing this exact thing. Yep. Like it's, it's. Very. Like, I don't even know what the word is for that kind of humor. Like, it's not. I don't want to call it tongue in cheek, but it is. It has an FU attitude to its own influences. You know what I mean? Yeah, 100%. That's why I picked it. Also, beyond the the metaphysical nature of the two films that draws them together, Eber's New Groove is just a really funny. It is funny. Like David Spade, Incredible performance.

1:06:48 John Goodman, John Goodman, Incredible performance. Who's who's the guy who plays? What is it? Crunk. From From Family Guy Patrick. Warburg Yeah, yeah. Oh dude. All time. Great character performance for an animated film. That's a good one, man. I think I'm going to go with The Princess Bride, and I can't take credit for this 'cause it was in that article that the guy wrote that hated Shrek and he he kind of talked about how the, you know, this wasn't the first time. Does he? Does he also hate The Princess Bride? I don't. Believe he did. But he mentioned it just like as a an offhanded comment that, like, this isn't the first time people played with the conventions of the fairy tale.

1:07:28 But he didn't go any farther than that. And I started thinking about, you know, I don't love The Princess Bride. I think it's a good movie. It's cute. I don't think it's as laugh, laugh out loud, funny as a lot of people do. But I like the approach they take better than Shrek because I think that they find really funny, punny things to do in within the world of a fairy tale. Like they're not constantly crapping on fairy tales. In fact, like, the whole point of the movie is to prove that fairy tales are really cool. Like, that's what the Fred Savage character is learning as this story is getting told to him. And so I think it's like, it does what Shrek does, but less mean and probably more successfully. But honestly, dude, like, it would just be fun to sit down with my kids and watch Shrek and The Princess Bride back-to-back, 'cause they're ultimately 2 pretty good movies. Yeah.

1:08:20 Decently. OK movies, the words of Rob Robert book Bob, I'm curious we're we're getting into final scores territory. I I want to hear where you're sitting on track at the end of the day. Yeah man, we didn't really get to talk a lot about the needle drops in this movie. I think that this was a very successful soundtrack in 2001. And now I'm like, none of these songs fit with what's going on on screen. Like, why is Hallelujah in this movie? What the hell are we doing? Now dude, I didn't think I would disagree with you there. I I think the I think the needle drops. That's true.

1:09:03 It does feel like a movie that was made by the people that also were writing like the MTV Movie Awards just feels like it. Probably. Feels like MTV. Yeah. I think I'm going to come out to a 6 1/2 on this movie. I was thinking about a 7 because I do think the the second-half of this movie is like an 8 out of 10. It's a really enjoyable movie. The first half I actively disliked and so it really just becomes how much does the second-half succeed at bailing out the first half for me? And I think it does it pretty well and I'm going to weight it a little bit more towards the enjoyability factor. So for me it's a 6.5 out of 10. I know that I'm much lower than the 7.9 of the general public, Brad, but where are you falling on this one?

1:09:49 Yeah, I mean, I I kind of tipped my hand already by talking about IMDBI. Think I'm at an 8 out of 10. Like, I I, I watched this film last night and when I got done, I said to myself, man, that was a really fun movie like that. Like it's not incredibly deep, but the areas it does go deep in I think are are really powerful in really simple ways. And at the end of the day, man, there's there is no fat on this movie. Like this movie gets in, gets out. It's like an hour and 40 minutes maybe hour and 30 and for me it just it literally flew by.

1:10:31 I I didn't feel stuck in any points. So I I really enjoyed it this time through. At the end of the day, it's a it's an above average solid, fun animated film. We did not talk at all. Like I might have given this like an 8 1/2 but this easily went down 1/2 point for the fact that the animation is not. Caught up and you know, once again, this gets me back to like episode one that we talked about a couple weeks ago. It's weird, the things that computers were good at at this time, 'cause I think a lot of the, like the way that grass interacts with their feet and like, it looks great. The way they animated the fire coming out of the Dragon's mouth, Incredible. But then the actual character designs, like Shrek's Face, looks like it's moving in slow motion compared to the rest of him.

1:11:23 It's very weird, like it it's it's almost like you're watching parts of the animation glitch in real time. I don't know how else to say it aside from that, but like, there's some very crude animation in in moments of this movie, coupled with some stuff that's like truly beautiful and I think years ahead of its time. And I can't piece together how both of those things are happening in the same movie. Yeah, it's a prehistoric animation, Bob. That's what's happening. All right. One final question for you, man. So this movie is considered at this point kind of an animated classic. We've talked a lot on this podcast about what makes a classic because it's it's a calculus, man.

1:12:04 It's not just was it a good movie, but how much staying power does it have in the cultural consciousness? How much do people just like it, whether or not it's good? And I think this has a lot going for it in terms of it. It has hung around in the culture because of the Internet memes. And also people seem to really still like it, regardless of whether it's one of the best animated movies we've ever seen. Do you consider this movie to be in quote, UN quote, classic territory? And I ask this partially because in, I don't know, 10 weeks or whatever, we're going to be looking at a movie called Frozen, which was also a cultural phenomenon, which also seems to tick a lot of these boxes for being considered a a cultural classic and is also a movie that I don't think is that great. So, like, I want to get it out in the open now. Like, if Shrek's a classic, does that mean Frozen is a classic? Man, yeah.

1:13:01 What you're doing is you're trying to back me into a corner where I won't say that Shrek is a classic Bob. That will be the final word. If we are talking about classic animated films as if it's a geography, there is in that realm a huge swamp for Shrek. Like I I think that Shrek absolutely is a classic animated film in the in the sense that it has stuck around in the cultural consciousness and I think it continues to be like a film that people genuinely enjoy to revisit. And I think that that's those That's one of the key things for me is like if something is a classic, it has to be a movie that people want to come back to. And IA famous.

1:13:50 I don't like re watching movies too often because I don't have time for it. I would come back to strike a few more times in my lifetime. Like I enjoy this movie. It has a little bit of nostalgia, although I wouldn't say a ton overall. It just provides some really funny laughs. And honestly this watch through being a little more critical of it in my my viewing, I think it actually stands up really well. I I think that the script is not quite as lacklustre as I once thought it was. So I I I think Shrek is in classic territory, Bob, and that does not mean that I will say that Frozen is a classic 10 weeks from. Now you got to be consistent, man. All right, folks, that was Shrek. We would like to know what you think of the movie Shrek. Like which side of this debate do you fall on? At the end of the day, we both think Shrek is a pretty good movie, but I think there is a huge chasm between worthwhile time and animated classic.

1:14:49 So let us know what you think. You can find us on any of our social media accounts, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok or YouTube at Film Whiskey. Or you can jump onto Discord. We are on there every single day talking to you guys, the fans of the Film and Whiskey Podcast. So if you'd like to join the community, you can find a link at the end of every single one of our show. Notes Next week we will be back with My Big Fat Greek Wedding, the little movie that could from 2002. Make sure to check out our Patreon if you'd also like to hear us talk about Star Wars Episode 2. What's that called? Attack of the Clones? Is that the one? Let's. Go, baby. All right, We will see you next Monday for my Big Fat Greek Wedding. But until then, I'm Bob Book.

1:15:32 I'm Brad G and. We'll see you next time.