Rogue One: A Star Wars Story / Jim Beam Devil's Cut Bourbon Whiskey

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In 2016, director Gareth Edwards
and star Felicity Jones gave the

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world an emotional and expansive
back story to a single line from

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a much more famous film.
In 2024, we drink a whiskey

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fitting of Darth Vader.
The film is Rogue One, a Star

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Wars story?
The whiskey is Jim Beam Devil's

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Cut.
And we'll review them both.

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This is the.
Film and Whiskey Podcast

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm.

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Brad Chi and we have a video
component going on tonight.

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Brad, as we chat with each other
and I subtly give you the finger

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for making fun of the way I
talk.

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It's good to see you man.
It's been a couple weeks since

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we've recorded.
We got a little bit ahead

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because we both had work stuff
going on.

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I literally just got back from a
work trip today.

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So your boy is tired and a
little bit slap happy.

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So we'll see where this episode
goes, man.

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Dude, I celebrated with a buddy
of mine last night.

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He is about to break ground on a
house that they're building in

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Delaware.
And we drank some Lafroig 10

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cask strength straight from the
motherland.

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And then we drank some Lagavalin
16.

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And then we drank some barrel
rye cask string.

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And I woke up at 4:00 AM and
have not gone back to sleep.

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I should have called you, man.
I was.

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I was in North Carolina for
work.

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I rolled over because I couldn't
sleep at 4:00 in the morning.

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And I said, well, I guess I'll
just start driving home.

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And I could have just been
talking to you.

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We could have recorded this
episode while I was on the road,

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man.
We sure could have.

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I don't know if our illustrious
guest was up at 4:00 in the

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morning today, though.
Bob no.

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And Brad, it's been a while
since A we've had a guest on the

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show, but B since we've talked
with our good friend Zach

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Johnston, who has been patiently
waiting to say hello.

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Zach, how are you today, man?
I'm doing well because I slept

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in till about seven.
OK, cool.

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Well, it's been nice catching
up, Zach.

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We'll talk to you in a couple
weeks.

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Yeah, so whiskey movies, good
times.

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Normally I introduce Zach as the
spirits writer and editor for Up

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Rocks, but that is not his title
anymore.

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Zach, I don't want to, I don't
want to step all over your

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announcement, but let's catch
Film and Whiskey Nation up a

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little bit.
What's going on in your life,

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man?
So I transitioned into the

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industrial side of the spirits
world after eight years in media

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and about, you know, 3-4 years
before that in high end

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bartending, I am now officially
working for a distillery,

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Blackwood Distilling Company,
which is at the moment based in

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Versailles, KY.
They do Blackwood toasted Rye

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and toasted bourbon.
They brought me on to help

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expand the brands and help
expand into the European and

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U.S. market further because for
the last few years we've been

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Kentucky only and they're
gearing up for a big $200

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million distillery just South of
Lexington.

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And they, you know, it's time to
expand and grow into that sort

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of size of company and
distillery in the spirits of the

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sphere.
So I was one of the first two

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people hired on from the
outside.

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And we've spent the last three
months, you know, getting things

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set up in, in the EU, getting
things set up in Florida, Texas,

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Wyoming and Kentucky, expanding
Kentucky, you know, fixing

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little things here and there,
you know, expanding our social

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media presence, having a really
good time, kind of working with

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fun people, traveling in Florida
way more than I thought I'd ever

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in my life, which is fun.
And you know, I have time to

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watch movies like Rogue One
again, which is nice.

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Yeah, you do.
Perfect segue.

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Man.
Well, Zach, it's so good to have

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you back and you've been very
kind in sending us a bottle of

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the batch three of the toasted
bourbon from Blackwood.

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So we'll be kind of sipping that
all day as we talk.

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Brad, we can give some some
tasting notes as we go, but I

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think it's time we dive into
talking about the movie itself.

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And in order to do that, we have
to get into our first segment of

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the day, which we call, Brad
explains.

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Brad's gonna give us the movie
plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and hear your take with

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this little segment that we call
Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
podcast where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the movie that he
has just seen, often for the

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first time.
Brad we are on week two in a row

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of Star Wars and I am over this
already but because we I am over

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it.
We have not talked at all about

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like prep for this episode.
We are coming in extra blind

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today when it comes to each
other's preferences here yes.

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Have you seen this movie before?
I.

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Have Yeah, I saw this in
theaters and I believe I watched

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it one more time with some
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So this is viewing #3.
I'm on viewing #2 I saw this in

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the theater and absolutely loved
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I bought it on Blu-ray.
It has been sitting on my shelf

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for what, like seven years now
and I have not returned to it at

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all.
So I, I am actually less

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informed than you are on this
movie, Brad.

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And because of your deep and
encyclopedic knowledge of the

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Star Wars universe, you should
be able to give us a great

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breakdown of the film.
Now, folks, I do want to say we

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are getting into spoiler
territory from the get go here.

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And this is a movie that, I
mean, you kind of know the

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contours of it if you've seen A
New Hope, but you don't know the

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details.
And I, I do not want this movie

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to get spoiled for you.
If you have any intention of

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watching Rogue One, I would say
hit pause here.

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Go watch the movie and then
rejoin us because Brad is about

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to drop some bombs, literally
and figuratively in describing

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this film.
Brad.

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I just want everybody to know
that there was no one harmed in

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the dropping of bombs for this
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Brad 60 seconds on the clock and
go.

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Rogue One, A Star Wars Story is
a film about the construction of

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the Death Star in the Star Wars
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It follows a group of ragtag
heroes that are unlikely to band

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together, but they do.
It's so wild how they they all

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come together even though they
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objectives.
Jen Urso is our main character.

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She is trying to find her
father, Galen Urso, who's a

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scientist that helped to build
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She finds out that he actually
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You can blow this up if you
really want to in the Death Star

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because he doesn't want it to
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And man, other things happen.
The Death Star kind of blows

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things up.
Jen They, they go to this this

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beach planet that's really
pretty and they get the data up

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to the Alliance and Darth Vader
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OK, and and the spoiler is that
quite literally everyone dies at

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the end of this movie.
It it is a film where the actual

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fake spoiler that we give
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oh, what happens at the end?
You say everyone dies.

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Everyone No like like honestly
they all.

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Die.
Every single living creature in

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the universe is wiped out by
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It was a great like on ramp to
end game an Infinity War, you

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know, all right, guys, let's
dive into talking about the

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movie itself.
Now.

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This was the first kind of one
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They called them Star Wars
anthology films, which were

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meant to be separate from the
Star Wars saga and and the new

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trilogy of sequels.
And because of that, they wanted

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to give it some stylistic
flourishes that were different

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from your regular Star Wars
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It doesn't have the sort of
Akira Kurosawa wipes and

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transitions.
It also doesn't have an opening

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crawl.
And I remember being in the

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movie theater and seeing a long
time ago in the Galaxy far, far

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away.
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musical sting from the
orchestra.

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It's just put it on and it was
jarring.

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And I was immediately like, I am
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This is really, really cool.
They also are missing the

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Wilhelm screen for the first
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Really.
I thought I heard it a couple

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times.
Very disappointed.

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Now, do you know that for a
fact, or did you just not hear

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it with your own ears?
No, I know it for a fact.

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It's sorry.
It's either this one or The Last

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Jedi, 'cause they both came out
like back-to-back years, but one

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of them omitted the Wilhelm
scream for the first time in

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Star Wars history, and I was
quite disappointed with that.

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They also omitted John Williams.
They sure did.

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And here's the thing about the
soundtrack to this movie.

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It is not good.
It's not super memorable.

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It's a cheap knock off of John
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It is 100% a cheap knock off and
I can't remember exactly what

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the famous Star Wars leap is if
I don't think it's a full

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octave, but the they mimic that
in the sort of heroic fanfare of

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this movie's theme.
There's that, there's that jump

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that sort of whatever it is, 1/5
or 1/7, I don't know what it is,

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but they mimic that exact same
thing and it does not land.

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And I think even people who are
not familiar with music theory,

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you can hear that they're,
they're hinting at the things

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like the Imperial March will,
they'll give you 4 notes of the

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imperial March and then kind of
twisted into something

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different.
They're doing variations on

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themes.
And the thing about doing

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variations on a John Williams
theme is that John Williams has

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already found the optimal way
for that to be a theme that you

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remember for the rest of your
life.

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And so you're automatically
making music that is less

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memorable when you do that.
And it's the.

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Scene.
Go ahead.

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It's the scene from Amadeus, but
in reverse.

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Like like Mozart has created the
piece and then Salieri writes

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his worst version of it.
Like, that's literally what's

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going on here.
Was this Michael Giacchino who

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did the music for this one?
Michael.

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Yeah, that's correct.
Michael Giacchino.

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OK, I'll I'll give him a pass
because he is the go to young

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composer now and he's created
some of the best music of the

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21st century.
Also, he he was brought on late

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to redo the whole school, so he
didn't have time really to dive

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in.
So I think that why a lot of

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there's a lot of illusions to
John Williams as opposed to

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something fresh.
On another note, can I dive into

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something that's crazy about
this movie?

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Oh, please.
This is probably the best cast

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of any Star Wars film that we've
ever had and may ever have.

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The cast on this film is insane.
Let me just let me just name a

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few names here.
Donnie yen legend, Jiang Wen,

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legend.
Ben Mendelsohn, basically a

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legend.
Matt Mickelson, basically a

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legend.
You know, Alan Taylor, Forest

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Whitaker legend, obviously,
Carrie Fisher, Diego Luna,

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amazing.
Felicity Jones, amazing.

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Like just that core cast alone
of our core characters.

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Insane that they came together
in any film, much less a star.

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I think that's, I mean, I don't,
I don't even know how to compare

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it to another Star Wars film
where you have a cast of just

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absolute knockouts.
Every single one of them.

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Like top of their game actors.
Yeah, I don't think you can

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compare it to any other Star
Wars film.

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I think you're you're probably
right.

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This is the best assembly of
people for a movie.

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And if I could start getting
into Brad like some some

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critique of the film, a film
that I loved on 1st watch.

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I'm a little bit cooler on this
movie this time around.

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And the cast is somewhere that
I'm going to have some spicy

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takes, I think.
But I am not so much a fan of

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the Force Awakens as you folks
heard last week.

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But one thing that I really
loved about what Abrams and

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company did with that script is
they gave, they did a really

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great job with close-ups in that
movie and giving people their

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sort of John Wayne in
Stagecoach, like push in

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introduction to like you're a
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John Boyega like sees this
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You're a movie star.
Daisy Ridley, Gareth Edwards

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doesn't do that.
He's he's not concerned with

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making his actors into stars,
but he also doesn't seem to be

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super concerned with giving them
any chance to really like sink

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their teeth into the material.
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silence.
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being frank, if you're going to
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for a cast, they need something
juicy and meaty to really sink

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their teeth into.
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watch this cast in The Force
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movie, Brad, because I just
don't think that I, I think they

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painted really broad strokes in
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And I was a little bit let down
by how I'm not amateurish, but

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kind of like remedial.
The script was here.

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Yeah, I mean, I think that the
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have in the film is probably
Alan Tudyk as K2.

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SO the robot, because he has
that kind of joking relationship

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throughout, which in comparison
to The Force Awakens from last

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week, the humor of the robot
weirdly worked for me in this

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film.
Even though it's like borderline

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Marvel humor.
I, I think it works for me

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because it's coming from a non
human character and like he

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doesn't have to convey facial
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as he's delivering this comedic
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It works much better coming from
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I think that's why C3PO is so
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But man, you get to the end and
everybody's dying and I don't

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give a rip about any of the
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the freaking robot for some
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Like, that's the death that I
was like tearing up a little bit

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over.
Right.

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And it's the sort of thing where
like, I think also, you know,

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let's very quickly, what is Star
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Like an actual Star Wars?
Star Wars is great because they

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have that one cinematic moment
that makes you jump out of your

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seat in the cinema.
It's when Luke uses the force in

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the trench to blow up the Death
Star.

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It's when Vader says, I know I'm
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An Empire return to Genet
doesn't have one.

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That's why it kind of sucks, you
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Come on man, Vader picking up,
picking up the Emperor and the

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electricity.
You knew that was coming.

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Like it wasn't that like, Oh my
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Whereas in like I, I remember I
saw Phantom Menace in the

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theater like opening day 1999.
I was 20 years old.

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The moment that Maul comes out,
those doors open and he they

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throw off their robes and like,
we'll take we can handle this.

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People lost their shit in the
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Then when Vader revealed he was
his father, the same thing

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attacked the clones.
That movie has a lot of

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detractors, but when the Jedi
show up in Geonesus and all turn

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on their lightsabers, I know
people who have a tattoo of that

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scene on them because it's
another one of those holy shit

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moments.
Again, Revenge of the Sith,

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Anakin and Obi Wan.
That battle is an oh shit

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moment.
Force Awakens doesn't have one.

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It was supposed to be when Rey
catches the lightsaber in the

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forest.
I was there and nobody gave a

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shit.
I can tell you though, in Last

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Jedi when Luke showed up, I
watched an entire row of 10 year

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olds jump out of their seat and
scream and joy seeing Luke show

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up to fight Kylo Ren.
It had that ocean moment.

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Rise of Skywalker obviously
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This movie has that moment.
It has a pure Star Wars moment,

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which is Vader shows up in that
hallway in the mist and that

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lightsaber turns on and we get
to finally see Vader fighting

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non force people and just going
to town.

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Like I'm a huge fan of the Vader
comics and sort of that whole

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mythos of what he actually did
and how he became Vader after,

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after the fight on Mustafar and
seeing him.

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Like people jumped out of their
seat the same way they did when

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Ball shows up and Naboo, the
same way that my dad saw people

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jump out of their seat when
Vader revealed he's Luke's

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father.
And that's what Star Wars is

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Like.
Yes, there's all the other

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stuff, but Star Wars succeeds as
a film on moments like that,

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that you walk out and you're
like, holy, did you see the

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double edged lightsaber?
And that's all you talk about,

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right?
Or it's like, I, I remember

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like, and this is me.
You know, I, like I said, I just

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as the quick preface, when I was
five, I had the full Return of

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the Jedi like bed set, like the
comforter, the pillows, the

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curtains, the whole Ewok
playset, everything.

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But my dad had Empire, right?
And that was like the moment he

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said people jumped out of their
seats, they couldn't believe it.

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And I never really got that
until that moment in Phantom

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Menace where I was like, holy.
And then I got that again.

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I got to have that again with
this movie where Vader shows up

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and just slaughters fools.
And it's like, I got it twice.

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We're like, wow, this is
amazing.

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And so for me, this film works
perfectly as a Star Wars film

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because Gareth Edwards and Tony
Gilroy understood that.

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They understood like we need
this to be a Star Wars film.

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And where JJ sort of falls down
is he didn't understand that

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because neither of his films
have that like he has.

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He has people riding horses on a
* destroyer, which is so stupid.

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But also the whole the whole
fight between Rey and Kylo in

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the forest, it's like it's not
that moment because it's just,

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it's, it's, I understand it's
yes, her using the force just

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like Luke did and blah, blah,
blah.

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And New Hope.
I get the, the whole parallel

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there, don't get me wrong, But
it's not the same thing because

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it, it, it's not a triumphant
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The the Death Star in Force
Awakens has already been blown

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up.
That's already over.

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She had nothing to do with that.
And so, you know, it's this

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weird thing where I feel like
with Gareth Edwards and then, of

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course, Tony Gilroy taking over
in the end there and working

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with Gareth to sort of reshoot a
lot of this film.

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They understood was like, hey,
this is this is what Star Wars

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is as core, where you walk out
and you're like, holy shit, that

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was amazing.
Yeah.

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And like you said, I think it's
like you walked out actually,

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and you were like hiked on it,
right?

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Oh, 100% right.
Yeah.

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Like you, you walk out of Rogue
One.

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I'll give just kind of my
initial take from, you know, a

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decade ago almost, I remember
watching walking out of this

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film and thinking the first half
of this movie was like flaming

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hot garbage.
I don't give a rip about any of

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these characters cause none of
them are interesting.

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They all just kind of have A and
then mentality of.

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Like way too much till not show
like.

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Yeah, yeah, there's there's so
much of that.

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And then the second-half of this
film, I was like, that felt like

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a Star Wars movie.
Like the battle scenes, the

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connection between Jin and
what's his name, Cassian, right?

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This like the connection between
them in the midst of battle.

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Like that's something you get in
good Star Wars films, capped off

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with maybe a top three scene in
All Star Wars films of Vader

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just being awesome.
And like the when he walks in,

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the shadows almost look like
they have like tendrils.

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Like they're like they are.
A demonic embodiment of evil

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that you couldn't quite do in
1977.

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And so I, I walked out of the
film going, man, if I could just

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get rid of the first half and
just watch like, you know, maybe

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add a little bit, but like an
hour and 15 minutes.

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Oh my gosh, the ending was
incredible.

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So maybe this would be a good
time for me to give a little bit

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of my personal history with the
movie too, Brad, because as you

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know, I am not a Star Wars fan
and I wouldn't call myself a

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Star Wars hater.
But they've just never worked

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for me.
And so even in moments where I

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am like supportive of Star Wars
and the people in my life who

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love it, I find myself having to
work really hard to, to feel

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excitement.
You know, like I went on

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Christmas, Christmas night in
2015 to go see Force Awakens.

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I took like, we took like eight
people.

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I got a gift card for Christmas.
I bought everyone's tickets.

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And then like, my gift card was
gone.

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But we went, went to see Force
Awakens.

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And I could see how excited
everybody was to see that

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opening crawl come up again.
And I'm like, I want to be as

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excited as you guys are.
Rogue One is the first time.

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And I think it was because it it
was it didn't have the burden of

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being a Star Wars movie.
It was just a movie that existed

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within the wars of the stars.
That was just like, it was a

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completely separate thing.
And it was the first time that I

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had the ocean moment when Vader
comes in at the end.

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I like in the theater, I was
like, oh, shit, like it's it's

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happening now.
And that sent me out on such a

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high.
But if I'm being honest, this is

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this is my problem with Gareth
Edwards movies, whether it's his

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Godzilla movie or he made a
movie last year called the

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creator.
He creates the most brilliant

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cinematic images.
Like there's such a sense of

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scale.
I don't know if he's doing if

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anyone does scale like him,
except for maybe Denis

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Villeneuve.
Like when you can literally see

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the height the way that like
Star Destroyers are filmed in

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this movie.
It's the coolest the ships have

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ever looked in a Star Wars
movie.

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And yet I think it says a lot
about the flimsiness of the

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script and Edward's inability to
really make you ever care about

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characters that we have just
watched our lead characters die

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a horrific death in what is
essentially a nuclear explosion.

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And then we immediately forget
about them because he tacks on

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this ending of like, but Vader
do cool thing now.

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And you're just like, yeah.
And so I think that that's like

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that's the the dichotomy here is
like the the stuff that we

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should be caring about falls
away so quickly because he knows

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that we just want that immediate
heroine hit of Vader killing

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guys.
And here's my here's my spicy

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take on Star Wars in general.
And and Brad, I know you're a

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fan as well.
And I think true fans understand

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flaws as much as they understand
the shine, right?

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And Star Wars has always been
deeply flawed.

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Like you go back and look at the
script of that first film.

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The dialogue's terrible, like
it's literally terrible.

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And the.
They've talked about that in so

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many interviews where Harrison
Ford is like, George, you go out

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there and say this fucking shit.
Yeah, and also there's a lot of,

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there's a lot of fat on that
film too.

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Like that film is way too long.
Empire, that whole it's, it's 30

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minutes.
A Hoth where you're just like

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couldn't have been in the
scrawl.

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Like I don't really need to see
this.

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Like there I've been through
phases of my life where I've

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just skipped over Hoth entirely
and gone straight into the movie

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when, you know, the movie
starts.

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So it's the sort of thing where
I always feel like with Star

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Wars, people try to find reasons
to gloss over the problems with

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the scripts, the problems with
the filmmaking, the problems

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with the ACT.
Well, I don't really want to

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blame actors because it's the
director's choice.

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It's the editor's choice.
Like the actors are doing their

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job.
I don't want to be like, oh, Riz

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Ahmed, you know, didn't do his,
didn't act right.

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It's like, well, no, he was
being told what to do by Carrot

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Edwards and Tony Gilroy.
And like, he's doing his best in

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like, Rogue One, for instance.
But it's for me, it's like Star

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Wars is campy fun, you know what
I mean?

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And then it's also really
fucking boring.

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And sometimes you got to skip
over the boring parts.

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Like I said, I often skip over
Hoth.

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And for some people that's
probably blasphemy.

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00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,960
But also like, I don't, I can't
remember the last time I watched

448
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,800
Return of the Jedi.
Like it would probably was when

449
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,040
I was a little kid or it was on
in the background at a party or

450
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,760
something, you know what I mean?
Because like, I don't need to

451
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,760
watch it.
I watched Rise of Skywalk

452
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,240
Skywalker once in the theater.
Never need to see that again,

453
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,480
you know what I mean?
And it's the and it's the story.

454
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,040
You don't like the film.
What I like about Rogue One and

455
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,920
why I rewatch that pretty much
every year.

456
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,560
And like I said, I rewatch it
twice for this is that film

457
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,600
technically, which is this is
really where you're just

458
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,640
supposed to say, but bear with
me.

459
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,560
This film kind of stands alone,
which is crazy because it's a

460
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,160
prequel so tied to something so
specific and has such beautiful

461
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,240
detailed work.
Like when you rewatch New Hope,

462
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,280
you notice when they're that
first scene in the Death Star

463
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,720
with Peter Cushing and Vader and
all the generals, there's one

464
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,160
empty seat that's Chronic's seat
because Chronic was, you know,

465
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,880
down on down on the beach, you
know?

466
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,360
So there's all these wonderful
little details and illusions

467
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,400
that you can draw the two
together and they connect, you

468
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,400
know, like 2 octopuses coming
together to Make Love or

469
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,680
something.
But it's the sort of thing where

470
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,680
you can really let this movie
stand alone and watch it and

471
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,240
have a great experience and it
doesn't matter.

472
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,520
Like, yeah, they got the Death
Star plans for the rebels.

473
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,960
They're going to blow it up.
It doesn't matter.

474
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,000
Like, it almost makes me hope
kind of like, unnecessary in

475
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,400
that sense.
The story's over.

476
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,480
And for me, as a cinephile and
someone who loves story, I'm a

477
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,480
huge sucker for the tragic
ending.

478
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,640
You know, the the heroes
sacrifice themselves for the

479
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,840
greater good.
I mean, that's for me why like

480
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,720
Pixar cars is so great because,
you know, like including

481
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,880
sacrifices his win for the
greater good to help someone

482
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,840
else out.
He doesn't take this trophy.

483
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,960
He, you know, he chooses to help
win or, you know, there's, you

484
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,920
know, you know, Godfather's so
great because Michael Corleone

485
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,920
becomes, you know, he loses
everything by becoming the

486
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,000
godfather, you know, and even
his wife and his children, which

487
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,480
he, you know, and it's, it's
that tragedy of like, you know,

488
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,240
the American dream, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.

489
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,360
And I so for me, like seeing
them die on the beach, it's

490
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,400
like, yeah, they're that's the
sacrifice you have to make for

491
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,480
good, right?
And that sort of.

492
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,240
I mean, Zach, I've always said,
and I'm glad you you brought

493
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,840
this up.
I've always said to Brad, Cassie

494
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,280
and Andor is the Lightning
McQueen of the Star Wars

495
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,080
universe.
And he always said that there's

496
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,040
no way but but I'm glad you
really backed me.

497
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,400
Up on It's been a common back
and forth in our texting, yes.

498
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,520
Now, you brought up something,
though, Zach, that I think is

499
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,160
really important, and it is.
It's that this movie really does

500
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,800
stand alone, both thematically
and in terms of like, how dour

501
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,280
it is.
But unfortunately, I think that

502
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,840
the endless Star Wars machine
churning over the last eight

503
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,960
years by Disney has really
reduced the power of this movie.

504
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,720
It's not the movie's fault, but
I have been so inundated with

505
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,920
advertisements for freaking and
the and or TV show and the Obi

506
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,960
Wan Kenobi show and the
Mandalorian and now the Acolyte

507
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,320
that it's like we had never seen
a boots on the ground Star Wars

508
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,360
movie like this before.
And it was the coolest, most

509
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,800
revolutionary thing to hit this
series in a long, long time.

510
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,600
But now watching it, it's like,
oh, this is, this is really

511
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,080
similar to watching any of those
Star Wars TV shows.

512
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,160
It's it's better than them, but
I think that it's diluted the

513
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,920
effect that the movie had at the
time.

514
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,560
I will say though if and OR is
worth watching that is a

515
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,560
phenomenal series because they
keep with the same theme and

516
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,560
look of the film or one it's all
actually shot on location

517
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,600
instead of that stupid 3D screen
shows so it feels real.

518
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,920
It's got the same vibe to it and
it is it is dour.

519
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,360
I mean, it is hardcore, like,
you know, politics of like what

520
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,400
it's actually like to live under
a fascistic empire and, you

521
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,640
know, you know, people are
literally tortured to madness

522
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:56,360
and things like that.
And so again, I'm kind of a

523
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,400
sucker for that because it kind
of fits into where I am now as a

524
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,000
Star Wars fan.
Like if I was in my mid 20s when

525
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,960
all this stuff was coming out,
I'd probably think it's like

526
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,440
ridiculous, you know what I
mean?

527
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,120
But just it's, it's, it's all
where it hits you, right?

528
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,160
Like I think we're like about 10
years apart age wise.

529
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,320
And so like, you know, I
totally, you know, me kind of

530
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:24,120
menacing me when I was 20 was,
you know, it was sort of like,

531
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,920
you know, I took a date, you
know what I mean?

532
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,520
Like it was a date night for me.
And so, you know, it was that

533
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,360
sort of thing where there is a
different expectation there as a

534
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,600
young adult as opposed to if I
was 10.

535
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,240
I mean, that movie, I would
probably still think that was

536
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,560
the best Star Wars movie of all
time, you know what I mean?

537
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,760
Because it was because that
that's what it was made for.

538
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,040
And that's what I think what's
so interesting about Rogue One

539
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,680
is Rogue One was made for a
wider audience where, and George

540
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,760
Lucas says this over and over
and over again.

541
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,200
His Star Wars films are made for
children.

542
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,880
One was not made for children
and, and, or is not made for

543
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,240
children.
And I think where Star Wars

544
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,360
really starts to fall down is
like in The Acolyte and Boba

545
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,600
Fett and all those where it's
like, yeah, these are just shows

546
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,880
made for kids that should be
animated but aren't because they

547
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,000
want to do a live action.
And it's like, you know,

548
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,440
Lucasfilm understood this, and
that's the way they made Rebels

549
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,560
and Clone Wars and all those
things animated because they're

550
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,920
for kids.
When you bring those people into

551
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,280
the real world, and especially
in what was the the latest one,

552
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,480
Ahsoka, whereas like there's
brilliant moments in there, but

553
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,760
the overall it's like, these are
cartoon characters and I hate

554
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,200
them because they're acting like
cartoon characters and quote UN

555
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,880
quote real life because it
doesn't transfer, right?

556
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,200
And that's the feeling of
Disney's, like you said, churn

557
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,560
of just like pushing the stuff
and pushing and pushing.

558
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,280
And you know my only response is
hey, just watch the good stuff

559
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,720
and ignore the rest, right?
Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm with you on

560
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,680
that man.
They, they have put out so much

561
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,120
stuff that it, it, it loses its
value.

562
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,040
Like there's a, there's a huge
reason why Episode one did so

563
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,200
well and why The Force Awakens
did so well because there was

564
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:13,200
what, 9/10/10 years between
Revenge of the Sith and The

565
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:19,680
Force Awakens and 15 years, 16
years between Return of the Jedi

566
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,680
and Phantom Menace, right.
And so it's like you kind of

567
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,040
need a little bit of time for
the films to walk off into the

568
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,960
sunset and just remain in your
memory and for them to come back

569
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,960
and have the impact.
And I'm sorry, I don't mean to

570
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,800
be so monopolizing here, but I
think also the one smart thing

571
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,280
Disney knew, or at least
Kathleen Kennedy knew going into

572
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,040
the reboot when it became
Disney.

573
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,120
It's like, OK, we're going to do
Force Awakens for the reboot,

574
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,840
for the fans, for the kids, but
let's also do one for the

575
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,600
grown-ups who were alive when
the first ones came out.

576
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,680
And so that's why those two
films came out so close to each

577
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,800
other, right?
So that's sort of yin and Yang

578
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,480
where it's like, yeah, but we
also have fans who are 40 now

579
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,200
who who have, you know, more
complex thought processes and

580
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,080
understand, like, hey, this is
actually a kind of amazing world

581
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,000
that Lucas created here.
We can dig in a little bit more.

582
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,240
But then like you said, you can
go off and I mean, I don't know

583
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,960
how much you guys read like the
books or like I said, I'm really

584
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,640
into the major comic books and
like, I know the animated shows

585
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,000
from the early 2000s decently.
I didn't watch them religiously

586
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,960
or anything.
I know like the Canon and things

587
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,960
like that.
And I I collected, you know, the

588
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,120
cards in the 80s and 90s and
blah, blah, blah.

589
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,240
But it's the sort of thing
where, you know, this film,

590
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,320
Rogue One, I believe, does fan
service and, and this is so

591
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,920
rarely done, but right where
it's like, yes, it is 100%

592
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,240
there.
There's so much fan service on

593
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,320
this, but it's never flashing in
your face.

594
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,080
It's been with Vader at the end
being the most ridiculous thing

595
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,400
ever.
But it's amazing because it's,

596
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,280
it's, it's what it's that scene
is only like 30 seconds long

597
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,480
too.
It's not him fighting for 5

598
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,160
minutes at the end of the film.
It's like, no, this is instant

599
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,800
because he's a God, said Lord.
He's a magical space wizard and

600
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,600
this, this is how it would be.
There's no contest here.

601
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,760
And that's the thing I hate
about like especially in the

602
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,040
Acolyte where they forget their
Jedi, where it's like, how about

603
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,280
you just read their mind?
You're a Jedi, you know, like,

604
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,440
you know what I mean or
whatever.

605
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,320
It's like you read that guy's
mind like last scene.

606
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,280
Why aren't you reading it now?
You know, Sorry, I had a

607
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,560
digression there.
But it's like they don't forget

608
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,440
what everyone is like.
Jen Erso is just a rebel.

609
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,800
Cassian is just a person.
He's a rebel.

610
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,840
You know, Galen, Yeah, he's a
he's an engineer.

611
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,680
You know, I, I love the new take
where he's ethical Oppenheimer.

612
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,120
But he's still, he's still just
a person, right?

613
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,080
And he's, he's trying to exist
in this world.

614
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,320
And even Krennick is just a
bureaucrat.

615
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,800
And so, you know, yes, Krennick
is sort of, you know, very

616
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,280
lightly associated with with
Vader as his kind of overlord

617
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,760
boss, but not really like his
day-to-day is bureaucracy.

618
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,760
And you see it.
I, I sent you the the jiff of

619
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,120
him when he first gets to Galen
and on the Iceland planet,

620
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,560
whatever it's called.
And it's like farming really

621
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,360
like, you know, it's almost an
insult to him.

622
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,080
And just I love the whole scene
because he like it's Ben

623
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,480
Mendelsohn and Matt Mickelson.
So they're phenomenal.

624
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,040
But just like, oh, your wife
died.

625
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,560
That's really a shame.
And just his way of like

626
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,840
conveying like, I know you're
bullshitting me.

627
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,760
Can we just, you know, jump?
Can we cut to the chase here?

628
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,040
Cut to the chase.
Like, come on, you, you don't

629
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,880
insult my intelligence.
I know you're a genius engineer,

630
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,280
but it's not insulting my
intelligence.

631
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,400
We're old friends.
And, you know, it's this like

632
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,080
nice subtlety between those two
actors, which they can pull off

633
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,480
because they're phenomenal
actors, right?

634
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,400
Where you don't get that with a
lot of people cast in these

635
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,200
movies.
Yeah, I was going to say that

636
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,760
the opening scene is incredible.
It is so sharp.

637
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,960
And for me, Bob, like you talked
about the impact of not having

638
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,160
the fanfare of jumping right
into a scene.

639
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,440
I felt the same way the first
time I watched this.

640
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:17,200
I like I was like, hey, if we're
going to do a spin off Star Wars

641
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,680
movie, like sure, let's change a
few things up.

642
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,800
And there's not a lot of sacred
cows for me in the Star Wars

643
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,280
universe.
As long as I feel like the

644
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,120
director respects the Star Wars
universe.

645
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:35,080
And I think that's which, yeah,
Gareth, Gareth Edwards 100% does

646
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,800
in the way he makes this film.
I mean, even the little tiny fan

647
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,920
service things, like whenever
they fly into Yavin 4 and you

648
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,920
see the random guy in the tower,
like, tracking them in, you

649
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,840
know, like, yeah, like it's a
tiny, little fan service thing

650
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,560
that that doesn't detract or out
of the plot.

651
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,040
It just gives you a beautiful
panorama to look at for a few

652
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,120
seconds.
And it kind of scratches the

653
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,920
Star Wars itch.
So yeah, that I think there's a

654
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,520
lot of things to like here in
Rogue One.

655
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:06,400
All right, guys, I think we're
at a good spot to hit pause here

656
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,680
when we come back from break it.
You know, in addition to two

657
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,040
facts and a falsehood.
Let's talk about the cast a

658
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,120
little bit because I still have
to get my spicy takes about the

659
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,840
cast out of the way.
But I think it's all tied in

660
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,440
with this Gareth Edwards soup
where I can't tell if it's the

661
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,320
way he directs his actors or if
there's just not a lot for some

662
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,480
of them to do.
But but there are definitely

663
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,960
peaks and valleys to the cast
list here.

664
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,840
So we'll hit on that when we get
back from break.

665
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,880
Brad, it's time for us to go
drink some Jim Beam Devil's Cut.

666
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,440
What do you say?
Get the devil in me, Bob.

667
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,920
All right, so today we are
checking out Jim Beam Devil's

668
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,240
Cut Kentucky Straight Bourbon
Whiskey.

669
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,000
This is the second in the Jim
Beam sort of mini series that

670
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,080
we're doing to round out the
season here, Brad.

671
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,400
And I have to be honest with
you, I'm I'm very familiar with

672
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,680
this product.
I don't know if I've ever tried

673
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,720
it before.
Yeah, I've seen it many times on

674
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,600
the shelves.
It's it's a somewhat distinct

675
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,480
bottle on the lower shelves of
the whiskey aisle.

676
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,360
I have never drank it.
I remember very distinctly when

677
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,880
it came out, 'cause I was
working at a grocery store at

678
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,360
the time and they were running a
whole bunch of ads.

679
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,360
That was really playing up the
bad ass Ness of this bottle.

680
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,560
And do you know who their
spokesperson was at the time?

681
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,080
Brad, I don't know if you
remember these ads.

682
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,840
Ozzy Osbourne.
It was Kid Rock.

683
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,720
Hey, the baddest of asses.
And man, I feel like the bourbon

684
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,000
industry has come a long way
from that.

685
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,360
Was like the biggest name
attached to bourbon at the time.

686
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,560
It was like, whoa, Kid Rock.
Yeah, the the whiskey industry

687
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,200
has indeed come a long, long way
to the point where now they can

688
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,720
charge, you know, hundreds if
not thousands of dollars for

689
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,920
whiskeys that probably don't
deserve that that type of a

690
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,320
hype, Bob.
But not, crucially, for Jim Beam

691
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,120
Devil's Cut 'cause this is still
a bargain whiskey if ever I've

692
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,320
seen one.
Now what I understand of the

693
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,320
process, Brad and I'm I'm going
to go ahead and read the copy on

694
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,080
the side of the bottle here to
lay lay some groundwork for

695
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,920
those who are not familiar with
Devil's Cut.

696
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,520
They say while bourbon ages and
the angels share evaporates,

697
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:22,600
some also remains trapped inside
the barrel.

698
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,120
This is the devil's cut.
We extract this dark and intense

699
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,400
liquid from our charred white
oak barrel walls and blend it

700
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,720
with extra aged bourbon.
So that is the process folks.

701
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:38,920
They found a way to extract the
devil's cut out of the wood and

702
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,320
then kind of infuse it back into
their regular bourbon.

703
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,280
I have it on good authority from
people in the industry that

704
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,840
there really is some sort of
proprietary way that they do

705
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,520
this.
I don't know what it is, but

706
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,600
it's not complete BS.
It is a gimmick, but it is a

707
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,400
gimmick that has reality
attached to it.

708
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,960
So, you know, I'm OK with a
gimmick as long as it's not a

709
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,000
made-up gimmick.
Yeah, 100%.

710
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,200
The best that I can tell from
reading more about it online,

711
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,320
everybody seems to be in
agreement that what they do is

712
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,160
they add a little bit of water
to the empty barrel, set it out

713
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,080
in the sun and let it heat up
and evaporate the liquid out of

714
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,200
the wood and back into.
That's the proprietary thing is

715
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,880
like hey go rinse the barrel.
Yep, it's just the barrel back

716
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,640
washing.
Yeah, supposedly there's some

717
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,360
sort of like agitation that also
happens.

718
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,960
So I, I like to think that they
just hire like an Andre the

719
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,840
Giant look alike to like shake
the barrel, like he's just

720
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,240
walking around.
Squeezing the Steve the staves

721
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,800
like he's ringing out a rag.
Yeah, yes.

722
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:43,440
All right.
So this is 90 proof.

723
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,120
It is not age stated, but we
know that it is at least four

724
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,280
years old because of that.
So Brad, let's go ahead and dive

725
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,320
into Jim Beam.
Devil's cut.

726
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,160
What are you picking up on the
nose here?

727
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,520
Oak, Bob there, there's some oak
and then there's some oak.

728
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,160
There's a little bit of burnt
caramel.

729
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:05,360
It gets a little bit peanutty.
There's a bit of like a sour

730
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:14,040
young apple peel vibe going on.
I'm not a huge fan here.

731
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,480
It's not bad. 5 1/2.
I don't know if I've ever really

732
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,360
experienced a bourbon smelling
thin on on the nose.

733
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,320
It doesn't smell like not
potent.

734
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,320
It just smells like it's going
to be a really thin whiskey.

735
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,080
And that's OK.
You know, it has that classic

736
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,960
beam nuttiness that we've talked
about last week and, and in many

737
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,120
prior reviews.
There's a lot of peanut butter

738
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,200
here underneath the oak.
It's not super complex, but the

739
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,400
oak gives it a spice.
The peanut butter gives it that

740
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,440
nice kind of round sweetness.
I do get a really weird note,

741
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,320
Brad, and it I am, I am
cataloging this for my future

742
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,600
fat guy tasting notes here.
You know how when you get

743
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,200
Chinese takeout, everything kind
of smells like MSG a little bit

744
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,160
Like it just kind of hangs on
the paper bag.

745
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,880
And it reminds me of like when
I'm going to eat the fortune

746
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,160
cookie at the end of the Chinese
meal, but there's still the the

747
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,360
smell of like fried rice hanging
around.

748
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,400
I don't know how to explain it.
It's like cookie with MSG.

749
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,440
And that is a note I don't think
I've ever had on a bourbon

750
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,080
before, man.
Yeah.

751
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,560
I, I mean, it's a proprietary
process, Bob.

752
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,040
So you're gonna get some
proprietary nosings here.

753
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,400
All that said, I don't.
I don't hate this.

754
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,480
I'm gonna give it a 7 out of 10.
Man, that, that's a lot higher

755
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,440
than me, Bob.
I was not quite as impressed

756
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,920
taste wise.
I'll come up a little bit from

757
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,800
my nosing score.
I'll give it a six out of 10 on

758
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,800
the pallet.
The apple peel comes through a

759
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,520
little stronger.
The oak turns into like a

760
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,560
charred oak.
There's a little bit of cinnamon

761
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,320
here.
It's watery Bob I I don't know

762
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,000
how else to explain it, but it
it does not taste as viscous as

763
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,640
it ought to at 90 proof like it.
To me this feels like an 80

764
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,440
proof whiskey.
I don't like this, Brad.

765
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,360
Yeah, I'm going to be honest
here.

766
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,560
And you know what?
We have had the master distiller

767
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,520
of Jim Beam on our show before.
Wonderful guy.

768
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,880
They make a myriad of products
that I thoroughly enjoy.

769
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,680
This is not one of them.
It is really, really thin in

770
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,640
terms of mouthfeel, but the
bitterness from that oak

771
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,360
extraction, it doesn't even
taste like oak to me.

772
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,040
It tips into almost chemically
like it's just a really bitter,

773
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,440
you could call it herbal, but it
almost tastes artificial.

774
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,720
And that's like, it's a, it's a
type of bitter that I only

775
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:41,360
really associate with very low
grade cheap whiskey.

776
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,280
And that's what I'm getting
here, man.

777
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,280
And it, and I think because of
that oakiness, it's kind of

778
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,200
compounding that bitterness and
that chemically flavor for me.

779
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,520
I'm only going to give this a 5
out of 10 on the palate.

780
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,160
And I think that's being
generous for me.

781
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,560
Yeah, 100%, dude.
I think the finish just kind of

782
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,560
disappears on me.
There's a little bit of oak and

783
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,480
black pepper, but there is
nothing happening on the finish.

784
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,640
4 1/2 for me here.
I, I really don't have a ton to

785
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,920
say, Bob.
Yeah, the finish is not quite as

786
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,480
bad for me.
I do get a little bit of that

787
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,040
apple peel that you were
mentioning.

788
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,280
It comes out at the end and some
of those cinnamon notes.

789
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,760
So it is a slight rebound, but
even then it's it's just wisps

790
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,160
of flavor because it's such a
thin whiskey.

791
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,720
I think I'll give it a 5 1/2 on
the finish.

792
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,120
Yeah, balance wise, there's
nothing to write home about

793
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,320
here.
I'll give it a 5 out of 10.

794
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,720
I don't know, we might as well
get into value pretty soon here.

795
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,320
Yeah, I'll, I'll give it a six
out of 10 on balance because

796
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,560
again, this is a very
inexpensive whiskey.

797
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,600
I don't expect a lot from
inexpensive whiskeys, especially

798
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,920
in today's market.
That has nothing to do with what

799
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,880
I'm going to say on value, but
it is a, it is a perfectly fine,

800
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,040
very cheap whiskey.
So I'll give it a six there.

801
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,440
Now Brad, to my knowledge, this
is still going for somewhere in

802
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,840
the 20s, right?
$19.99 in the.

803
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,160
State of there you go baby.
Now again, when we talk value,

804
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,920
Brad and I often operate from
different points of view.

805
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,880
I usually look at it from, is
this overpriced given the

806
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,640
market?
Brad usually looks at it from

807
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,680
one of two perspective, which is
would I just pay that much for

808
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,600
this whiskey or is there another
whiskey out there at this price

809
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,640
that I think is way better?
And so I think we give a a nice

810
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,000
picture of overall value here
for the market.

811
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,560
This is not a bad value because
you really can't get whiskey for

812
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,640
much cheaper than this unless
you're going to knock all the

813
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,640
way down to Benchmark.
Here's the thing though, Brad, I

814
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,840
think Benchmark's probably a
better whiskey than this.

815
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,200
It's certainly, Yep, it
certainly doesn't have those

816
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,320
bitter notes that are off
putting to me the way that this

817
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,680
one does.
So I think on every metric that

818
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,640
we can judge value, this one is
probably not going to fare very

819
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,560
well.
I'm just going to give this a 5

820
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,360
out of 10 on value.
Yeah, I, I'm 100% with you, man.

821
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,000
5 out of 10 on value.
I I liked the double oaked Bob

822
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,520
and I, I think if you're going
for an oakier version of Jim

823
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,440
Beam, go spend 20 bucks on that.
Don't spend it on the Devil's

824
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,720
Cut.
I'm coming to a 26 out of 50.

825
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,440
I'm just a little bit higher
than you.

826
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:30,880
I'm at a 28.5 which puts us at a
54 1/2 out of 100 or just a

827
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:37,760
27.25 out of 50 on average.
This is really close to, if not

828
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,840
the lowest rated whiskey of the
season for us.

829
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,720
Brad and I.
I would say like just in plain

830
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:46,120
honesty here, this is a misfire
from Jim Beam.

831
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:49,240
I'm really surprised that this
thing has lasted as long as it

832
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:52,360
has on the market.
I imagine people are using this

833
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,760
as a mixer and I think it
probably might make a good

834
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,840
whiskey and Coke just because
there is so much oak and

835
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,200
bitterness to it, it it would
really stand out versus a Coke.

836
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,680
Unfortunately we don't sample
our whiskeys with Coke when

837
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,280
we're deciding if it's a good
whiskey or not, so I I can't

838
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,440
really speak to that.
Did did you just say,

839
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,000
Unfortunately we don't do that?
I mean, I would like to every

840
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,200
now and then.
That sounds nice.

841
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,160
I'm not a cola guy.
Oh my gosh dude, every now and

842
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,960
then you like truly dig your
heels in on just the weirdest

843
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,080
stuff.
Like everyone likes a Coca-Cola.

844
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,800
What do you mean you're not a
cola guy?

845
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:33,840
I I don't like any colas Bubba
RC.

846
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,800
Oh man, maybe you did grow up
poor after all.

847
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,760
Brad, I, I know that brand very
well.

848
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,520
Oh man.
All right.

849
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,480
Do we recommend this product?
I'm going to say no.

850
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,360
No.
Yeah, OK, let's get back into

851
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,280
talking about this movie with
our friend Zach Johnston.

852
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,720
What do you say?
Let's get to it, man.

853
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,040
All right, everybody, That was
Jim Beam.

854
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,640
Devil's poop.
No, that wasn't that bad.

855
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,120
Come on, man.
Hey, by the way, did you did you

856
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,200
like my my comparison to Darth
Vader talking about devil's cut?

857
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,400
Do you get it 'cause he's kind
of like the devil Also also his

858
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,400
lightsaber, it cuts.
Yeah, it does cut.

859
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,840
And it's red.
This is this operates on so many

860
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,880
levels.
Brad, you are.

861
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,440
That's why they called me the
master of metaphor.

862
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,880
That's my basketball 1970s
basketball player nickname.

863
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,760
The.
Master of metaphor.

864
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,600
I feel like if you were a coach
in the 70s, that would be your

865
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,080
nickname.
Me and Red Auerbach just smoking

866
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,240
cigars and coming up with
convoluted nicknames.

867
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,400
Turning off the hot water to the
opposing locker room.

868
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,480
I love it.
All right, dude, let's get into

869
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,720
two facts and a falsehood.
Brad is gonna try to stump your

870
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:03,120
ball. 2 All right and what is
wrong?

871
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,000
2 Facts and a falsehood.
Two Facts and a Falsehood is the

872
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,680
part of the show where Brad
presents me with three items as

873
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,160
fact about the making of this
movie, one of which is a

874
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,760
complete lie.
Brad, I have been on just an

875
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,400
absolute horrible streak lately
for myself.

876
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:24,200
Luckily, I have a ringer here
today to help me out.

877
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,480
So the way this usually works,
folks, is that if we have a

878
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:33,400
guest and I choose to enlist his
or her help, I can get one win

879
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,440
in the win column if we guess
correctly.

880
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:39,280
But if we lose, I can get two
losses in the loss column.

881
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,080
So it kind of throws off the
tallying a little bit, but it

882
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,480
raises the stakes quite a bit.
I can already tell you that I am

883
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,640
going to enlist Zach today
because I don't know anything

884
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,280
about the Star Wars universe.
Frankly, I also do not care that

885
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,160
much so.
So.

886
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,200
So this is basically all
made-up. 100%.

887
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,560
Man, so Anakin Skywalker became
Darth, and I'm kidding.

888
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,280
Spoilers.
All right man, hit me with your

889
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:15,960
two facts and a falsehood.
Fact #1 Alan Tudyk, voice of K2

890
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:21,800
SO also voiced fan favorite
character HK47 in the critically

891
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,000
acclaimed video game series Star
Wars Knights of the Old

892
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,000
Republic.
Fact #2 Anthony Daniels was

893
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,360
jokingly disgruntled that Alan
Tudyk was allowed to pay play K2

894
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,160
SO in the relative comfort of a
motion capture suit, whereas

895
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,360
Daniels had to endure years of
discomfort and injuries in the

896
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:46,520
C3PO costume.
Fact #3 This is, I know you're

897
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,080
getting sick of him.
This is Alan Tudic's second time

898
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,600
portraying a robot in a film,
the first being in 2004's I,

899
00:49:54,600 --> 00:50:00,640
Robot.
Let me frankly make a confession

900
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,400
to you here, Brad.
You got another confession to

901
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,360
make.
Alan Tudic is a guy that I

902
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,880
recognize his face, like when I
see him in the cast list and I

903
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,720
know that he's done things that
have like large fan bases, like

904
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:17,120
I don't know if he was involved
in Doctor Who or like what what

905
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,240
else he's from.
I don't know a lot about the

906
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:21,840
guy.
And like, even as I went down

907
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,560
the cast list, I was like, oh,
Alan Tudyk, people know him.

908
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,200
You could not have picked a
worse person for me to make

909
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,680
three statements about because
as far as I know, they are all

910
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,440
false.
I don't know a thing about this

911
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,520
man.
Good thing you got to phone a

912
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,840
friend 'cause I know exactly
what you're rich.

913
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,600
OK, well then let let me let me
say my guesses first before Zach

914
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,320
just shuts this down.
I feel like Zach's going to be

915
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,280
like in the third Lord of the
Rings movie when Aragorn shows

916
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,280
up with all the ghost pirates
and then the battle's just over.

917
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,760
Like we need to at least prolong
it a little bit.

918
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,120
The Ghost Pirates.
Whatever they're called, they

919
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,440
they're on a ship.
The Army of the Dead Robert the.

920
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,240
Army of dead robot pirates,
whatever they're called.

921
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:11,760
OK, so Alan Tudyk, I'm going to
say sure.

922
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,400
He was a voice in a video game.
I assume this was a mocap

923
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,640
performance because he's so tall
that it kind of would have to be

924
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:25,640
some sort of mocap performance.
And then the third one was, what

925
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,600
was the third one, Brad?
This is his second time

926
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,480
portraying a robot, the first
being 2004's I, Robot.

927
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,400
I remember loving the film I,
Robot and I just saw a clip come

928
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:41,240
up on YouTube shorts last week
and boy howdy does that not look

929
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:43,240
very good anymore 20 years
later.

930
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,720
I One of the few things I
remember from my robot is when

931
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:52,880
the the main female protagonist
objects to Will Smith using a

932
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,880
motorcycle because it has
gasoline in it and gasoline

933
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,000
explodes.
All right.

934
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,400
So Zach, I really don't know.
If I had to venture a guess, I

935
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,520
would say it's got to be either
one or two.

936
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,920
Brad is a gamer, so he could
just make up a game that I don't

937
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,680
know and one could be false.
He also knows a lot about and

938
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,080
has a fondness for C3PO.
So maybe it's two.

939
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,840
I would say 2, but that's just,
I'm just taking a stab here.

940
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,680
What is the actual answer here,
Zach?

941
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,320
So I'm going to lead you away
from those.

942
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,520
Oh, OK.
No, HK47 was voiced by

943
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:38,840
Christophe Tabori, famously so.
Famously is is famously in

944
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,920
quotes.
Feel like famously is things

945
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,520
that people know dude.
So I, I played all the games

946
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,920
like, you know, the sort of
thing where it's like, no.

947
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,600
And he was sort of 'cause he's
kind of like that 70s

948
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,920
avant-garde, like John
Cassavetes guy level filmmaker.

949
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,200
So like, having him voice a
robot was a big deal at the

950
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,720
time.
But yeah, it definitely wasn't

951
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:04,240
Alan Tuda to voice that role.
Unless.

952
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,000
Unless they did a remake or
something that I'm not aware of,

953
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,120
but it was definitely
Christopher Tobieri.

954
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:16,680
So #1 then according to Zach is
the falsehood and I again just

955
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,320
for the record do not know or
care.

956
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,480
So this is solely to save my own
pride and record at 2 facts and

957
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,000
a falsehood.
I'm going to push on all my

958
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,240
chips and put my lot in with
Zach and say that one is the

959
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:33,720
falsehood, Brad.
Bob, I'm not even upset that I

960
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:38,400
lost this week.
Yeah, like the the fact that not

961
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,320
only did Zach, has he played
those games?

962
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,160
And Zach, would you agree with
me that HK47 is one of the

963
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,560
greatest characters?
Yeah, of all.

964
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:56,880
Time any Star Wars iteration Bob
he is a robot assassin who joins

965
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,720
your party in First off.
I can't believe you've never

966
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:02,360
heard of Knightsville Republic,
one of the greatest game series

967
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,640
of all time.
He is a robot assassin that he

968
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:12,920
speaks by like he always
prefaces what he's about to say

969
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:18,680
with the type of sentence.
So he'll be like query, what

970
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,680
does this meat bag think he is
doing in front of me?

971
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,240
And he always refers to humans
as meat bags.

972
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,080
And it's just it's an incredible
character.

973
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,560
The fact that Zach knew the
voice actor.

974
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:35,320
I I'm stunned and happy and will
happily give you a victory here,

975
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,360
Bob.
Thank you so much, I really put

976
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,480
in the work to earn this one
this week too so.

977
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,560
I'll take that victory.
Yeah, that's right, Zach.

978
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,160
I hope you'll appreciate that.
I was actually like really proud

979
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,000
of this one.
I was like, Oh yeah, I'm gonna,

980
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,880
I'm gonna put a little Knights,
the Old Republic mentioned in

981
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,320
here.
Exactly, Yeah, 'cause that's

982
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,240
great.
That's a great call back as well

983
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:57,480
because it's sort of, in my
opinion, they've been chasing

984
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,240
that Android character this
whole time and they've never

985
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,800
nailed it again.
And honestly, I I thought of it

986
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:10,840
because I think K2, SO like they
had to have used HK as like very

987
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,600
heavy inspiration for the, the
Rogue One character.

988
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,240
Yeah, especially the way he
talks to Jin, like all, you

989
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:19,040
know, slap the taste out of your
mouth sort of thing.

990
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:23,320
Like that's so him.
No, it's it's so him, am I right

991
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,760
guys?
So HK.

992
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,640
Bob.
Classic HK.

993
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,960
Move.
All right, let's get back.

994
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,280
Into talking and I fall in
order.

995
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,800
Let's get back into talking
about Rogue One here, guys.

996
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,200
And Brad, as we do it, As you
know, we've said that we're

997
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,360
sipping on this Blackwood here.
I don't want to go too deep into

998
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,520
our tasting notes on the
Blackwood, especially since I

999
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,320
I'd really like to give this a
full review in an upcoming

1000
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,680
episode, but especially coming
off of the Jim Beam.

1001
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:55,240
Brad, I am picking up on this
toasted bourbon just like it's a

1002
00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:58,000
vanilla bomb on the nose.
And then when you get to the

1003
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:04,160
palate, it's got like, it almost
has that sort of slightly tannic

1004
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,440
black tea and mint from the
toasted oak.

1005
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,320
I get a ton of black cherry on
this.

1006
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,560
Like there's just there's a
depth of flavor here.

1007
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,080
And you know, Brad, that I don't
typically go in for toasted

1008
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,720
barrel bourbons, but this has a
really nice, I wouldn't call it

1009
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:22,480
black tea, more like a Roy Bus
tea.

1010
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,920
Like it's really, really, really
good, man.

1011
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,600
And Zach, I think you guys are
hitting it out of the park with

1012
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:32,040
this Batch 3.
Yeah, there there's a, oh, it's

1013
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,760
like a BlackBerry citrus tea
that my wife gets that I'm a big

1014
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,040
fan of that.
Like I literally drank this and

1015
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,200
was like, Oh my God, it's a
better version of that because

1016
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,680
it's whiskey.
There is so much incredible

1017
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,840
flavour here.
And it's the, for me, the thing

1018
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,760
that really stood out was the
viscosity.

1019
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:56,280
Like this thing has an ability
to coat your palate, your tongue

1020
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,720
to, to give you the flavours and
sit there for a while.

1021
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,880
Dude, this is some good.
This is some daggone good

1022
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,360
whiskey.
Yeah, it's absolutely, you know,

1023
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,680
intentional and I agree, like
toasted finishes can get really

1024
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,360
chewy and woody, like your
firewood kindling sort of not to

1025
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,920
name many names, but the it's
sort of they think toasted means

1026
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,960
it's got to be like the kindling
that's just been lit on fire or

1027
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,560
whatever.
That's not really what the point

1028
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:24,880
of toast it is.
Like when you're talking about a

1029
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,160
toasted barrel, it's about
activating the sugars that are

1030
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,600
in that barrel to make them more
accessible to the distillate,

1031
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,840
right.
And so if you're doing that, you

1032
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,920
want to have that creaminess,
you want to bring balance.

1033
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,520
So like with with this the
balance.

1034
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,440
To the force.
Yeah, balance, right?

1035
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,560
Both are toasted dry and toasted
bourbon.

1036
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,280
It's part of it is a sort of
sort of throwback to the heyday

1037
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,520
of the 50s and 60s in American
whiskey when you had those Old

1038
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,120
Fitz 64 and the Old Granddad won
fourteen in the 70s and the Old

1039
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,520
Wellers antiques in the 60s as
well, where you had those like

1040
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:03,720
bold, creamy, balanced, spicy,
like dark stewed fruit, sort of

1041
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,200
bourbons that everyone's been
chasing ever since.

1042
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,480
But can I can act to because,
you know, the the world's a

1043
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,320
different place than it was in
the 50s and 60s.

1044
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,600
And So what we've sort of done
here is found a way to get back

1045
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:21,200
to those super balanced, super
creamy, bold whiskeys with those

1046
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,160
flavor knows you guys so aptly
mentioned without having to, you

1047
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,840
know, recreate it in the mash
bill of that.

1048
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,080
We you simply don't have the
grains from back then.

1049
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,480
You don't have to whip from back
then.

1050
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,040
And so putting it in that
toasted barrel allows you to

1051
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,800
pull those fresh caramelized
sugars out into an already good

1052
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,360
distillate because it's a 7 to 9
year old Kentucky bourbon into a

1053
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,040
good distillate and then a lower
char so that you're not

1054
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,360
filtering, you're not losing
that through the filtration of

1055
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,680
the charcoal, right.
And and for me, it's the sort of

1056
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,360
thing where I can tell you, you
know, the story Blackwood farms

1057
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,560
and country house and our our
origin story and you know, it's

1058
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:04,680
all has complete veracity to it
and it's fun, fascinating story,

1059
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,880
but I'd rather just pour you one
of these and be like tasteless.

1060
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,760
But I gotta say, folks, the
bourbon is really, really good

1061
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,200
and it has given me the courage
to move forward with my spicy

1062
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,800
takes on this cast list.
The spicy take of all spicy

1063
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,960
takes.
I'm gonna start right at the top

1064
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,360
here, guys.
I love love me some Felicity

1065
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,560
Jones.
Like she made a movie called

1066
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:34,520
like crazy back in the day.
That was AI took Carrie to see

1067
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,200
it Brad, and it was like the
tiniest little indie movie,

1068
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,040
insanely good movie.
And then she she goes on to star

1069
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,440
in the theory of everything and
I think she's even better than

1070
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,200
Eddie Redmayne is in that movie.
She's like just fantastic in

1071
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,080
that movie.
Bob Eddie Redmayne won the

1072
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,200
Oscar.
There, I think she's actively

1073
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:59,440
bad in this movie, Brad, and I
think that it it's a combination

1074
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,320
of the way Gareth Edwards
directs her.

1075
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,160
It's also just like, if I can be
frank here, there's just

1076
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,440
something about her sort of like
her make up as a person and and

1077
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,600
her like constitution.
She is like a very she plays

1078
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,880
very fragile and kind of
delicate people in movies and I

1079
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,720
think she she taps into that
really, really well.

1080
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,080
Kind of similar to what you got
with.

1081
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,920
Natalie Portman.
But then you see how George

1082
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,200
Lucas directs Natalie Portman in
like the second and third

1083
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,720
installments of the prequel
trilogy and she's a freaking

1084
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,000
badass.
And there really wasn't any

1085
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,400
point in this film where I
didn't feel like Felicity Jones

1086
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,480
was just pretending when she
gives her rousing speech to the

1087
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,000
whole group of rebels.
It does not work at all.

1088
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,960
And it really, honestly makes me
appreciate Daisy Ridley even

1089
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,240
more as Rey, because I think Rey
can shoulder a lot of both the

1090
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:55,360
emotional weight of her
character and the badassery in a

1091
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,000
way that Felicity Jones just
does not pull off here.

1092
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,080
So you know the bipolarness of
that, right?

1093
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,480
Like you guys remember the there
was the first trailer, which

1094
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,600
there's exactly 0 footage from
the film in that trailer.

1095
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,760
So the first kind of the film
where she's like I rebel.

1096
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,120
Like she's a hardcore rebel.
Oh yeah, I do remember that one

1097
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,280
now, yeah.
Basically that's what Tony

1098
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,280
Gilroy was brought on and they
completely re shot her entire

1099
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:28,720
character and so there is there
is a reason why she's not all

1100
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,520
there.
Interesting.

1101
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,600
Yeah, which is it's no, it's no
excuse.

1102
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,400
That's that's a fault.
This film 100%.

1103
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:38,960
So are you guys with me on this
take then?

1104
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,280
It's not as spicy as it seems.
Yeah, I the first time through,

1105
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,800
I gave 0 rips about her.
I thought she was a terrible

1106
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,720
character.
This time through, I think that

1107
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:54,400
there's places where you're, you
see her acting chops come

1108
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,880
through.
I'm thinking of when she goes

1109
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,240
and picks up the child in the
middle of the battle.

1110
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,880
I'm thinking when she tears up
and is like losing it,

1111
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,200
overseeing her father for the
first time in like 20 years.

1112
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,080
It's those more emotional
moments where I think she

1113
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,640
shines.
So I yeah, I'm kind of with you,

1114
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,720
Bob.
Like when she has a chance, the

1115
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,360
camera can just sit on her and
she can have an emotional

1116
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,480
moment.
I like her the rest of the film,

1117
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,800
though.
She's not an action hero.

1118
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,400
She doesn't really have an arc.
Like, let's face it, like she

1119
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,760
starts off as like, OK, the
rebels pick me up, I'm going to

1120
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,360
go do this and she does it and
that's it.

1121
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,440
Whereas you look at like
Cassian, a lot of the heavy

1122
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,880
lifting of the ark and the
emotional thrust of the story is

1123
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,240
put on him because he goes from
like a rebel willing to kill his

1124
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,360
sources to being able to die for
the wanting to die for the

1125
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:53,520
'cause, you know, and sort of
that's another fault of the

1126
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,480
script.
Like you can have both of them

1127
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,480
have an ark, you know, you can
have her be like, you know, I'm

1128
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,200
a rebel, I rebel.
What do you want me to do?

1129
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:04,160
Be, you know, nice.
Because again, it's hard because

1130
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,840
I keep going into like, Canon
here, but she was raised by Saw

1131
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,720
Guerrero, right, who was a
terrorist rebel.

1132
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,680
And, you know, they very clearly
say, you know, Moth was says

1133
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,360
like, yeah, he was too extreme
for us, so we got rid of him.

1134
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,560
And that's how her original
character supposedly was in the

1135
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,200
script where she was kind of an
extremist.

1136
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,400
And then she had to learn to
play ball, which is an arc,

1137
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,600
right?
And they completely took that

1138
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,720
out, which is 100% hard to
ignore in this film.

1139
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,120
Cool.
Well, that, man, that that did

1140
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,680
not elicit the spicy reactions I
thought it was gonna get.

1141
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:38,960
It sounds like we all.
Really.

1142
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:43,120
Go back to my point, that's not
her fault, that's that's Gareth

1143
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,720
Edwards and Tony Kilroy's fault.
Yeah.

1144
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,720
Actors like she's an amazing
actress.

1145
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:47,800
I just wanted to make that
clear.

1146
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,240
Like she was doing her job the
best of her ability and she kind

1147
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,720
of got a shit sandwich of a
script when they started

1148
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:58,640
reshooting. 100% man, I do think
Diego Luna is just being Diego

1149
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,760
Luna and that's really, really
great for what this movie needs.

1150
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:08,120
He is just, he has such an air
of I don't know, chill about

1151
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:09,240
him.
Like everything just seems to

1152
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,400
kind of roll off his back even
when he's in high pressure

1153
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,320
situations.
He kind of reminds me of like

1154
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,760
pre Marvel Mark Ruffalo that
way.

1155
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,640
He has that sort of like shaggy
chill guy quality Brad.

1156
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,160
This is at least the 2nd movie
we've talked about with him in

1157
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:27,400
it after his smaller role in The
Terminal, but he was even really

1158
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,480
good in that movie and I, I just
think he's really welcome here.

1159
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,920
I'm glad they continued to
develop this character with the

1160
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,560
Andor TV show.
If there's a spicy take

1161
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,800
remaining in my cast list, I
don't know, like I was kind of

1162
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,360
excited to see Forest Whitaker
show up and then I was like, oh,

1163
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,640
that's what we're doing here.
Oh, OK.

1164
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,480
That my guy was not just chewing
scenery, but he like he was in a

1165
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,360
different movie if I'm being
honest.

1166
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,520
Yeah, I mean, let's go back to
what Zach talked about earlier

1167
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,840
with cartoon characters in a
live action setting.

1168
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,400
Saw Guerrero was originally a
cartoon character and they

1169
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:08,560
brought him into a live action
setting and man, oh man, I I

1170
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:13,360
think he was like the main turn
off for me the first time I saw

1171
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,040
this.
This time around I had a little

1172
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:21,200
more grace for him, but man, I
do not like Forest Whitaker in

1173
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,040
this movie.
Guys, it is not my favorite.

1174
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,560
Yeah, luckily it's short, like
if they're smart enough at least

1175
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,200
not to make him an integral part
of the.

1176
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:35,080
But again, watch like I, I hate
to say this again, broken

1177
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,280
record.
Go back and watch that original

1178
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,720
trailer for this film.
Its character was completely

1179
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,680
different.
Like all those things were

1180
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:47,240
reshot.
And so, you know, not in any way

1181
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,240
being like Snyder Cutter or
anything like that, but it's

1182
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:54,960
it's curious like the like the
bipolarness of this film

1183
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,640
sometimes where you're just like
saws this, you know, insane

1184
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,720
terrorist rebel who, you know,
obviously has been through so

1185
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:01,280
much.
And they do.

1186
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,880
So they do a wonderful job of
showing visually showing, not

1187
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,480
telling that he's, you know, a
hardcore veteran.

1188
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:13,400
But then it's just sort of like
there's no purpose there.

1189
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,880
Like there's no like they could
have.

1190
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,360
They could have accomplished
that in such a more fastidious

1191
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,240
way.
I kept expecting him to show up

1192
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,440
later in the movie and like be a
surprise bad guy or something.

1193
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,840
Because the way that they send
his character off, he's, I don't

1194
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,920
remember exactly what he says,
but he basically just goes go be

1195
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,840
free.
Like he's releasing her into an

1196
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,440
open pasture.
And then they just cut away from

1197
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:41,600
him.
And I'm like, what?

1198
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,280
What's that?
That surely that can't be the

1199
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,440
end of his character, But it
was.

1200
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,720
Did did you want a 10 minute
back story on him, Bob?

1201
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,320
No, I just like he says
something that is so

1202
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,280
outlandishly cheesy.
It's something like be free.

1203
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:04,120
He's like, you know, continue to
play the game or something and

1204
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,480
she she runs off and he gets
buried alive.

1205
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,640
And I guess that's that's how he
wanted to go out.

1206
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,440
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's
again, it's Star Wars, right?

1207
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,720
It's it's got a lot of fat and
cheese that are you.

1208
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,280
Sometimes you got to kind of
like this is my perfect, my

1209
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:25,520
perfect 44 year old father of
two Star Wars synopsis.

1210
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,640
Perfect for a Sunday afternoon
where you fall asleep two or

1211
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,560
three times during each movie.
Yep.

1212
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,200
And usually fall asleep during
the dumb parts like that and

1213
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,840
wake up for the fun parts.
Yeah, as long as you wake up

1214
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:37,760
later at the end.
Yeah.

1215
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,720
You know, then you really didn't
miss much, you know?

1216
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,600
Yeah.
And honestly like to talk about

1217
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,040
things that I like in this
movie.

1218
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:50,800
I think that they nail the Star
Wars visual style of what it

1219
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,120
looks like to have a space
battle, what it looks like to

1220
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,840
have a ground battle, and what
it looks like to be up close

1221
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,440
with your main hero.
Like, like we see this in so

1222
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,080
many of the movies where it's
like, let's have a bunch of

1223
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,920
spaceships fight each other and
it's going to look awesome.

1224
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,920
We're going to have a bunch of
people on the ground explode and

1225
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:08,640
shoot each other and it's going
to look awesome.

1226
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,520
And then we're also going to
follow our heroes.

1227
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,480
And I think that they really
nailed that aspect of the movie

1228
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,760
at the end.
And you're right, Bob, they make

1229
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:22,040
the Star Destroyers look so
freaking cool in this movie.

1230
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:26,000
And when they're like knocking
into each other and destroying

1231
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,880
the the planetary shield, that
there's just so much of that

1232
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:35,120
that feels awesome in the proper
Star Wars way.

1233
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,600
So, Brad, we're in a really
unique position here this week

1234
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,479
because we are in the middle of
a run of three Star Wars films.

1235
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,200
And so next week is going to be
even more interesting for a

1236
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,520
number of reasons, but because
we won't just be comparing it to

1237
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,479
one other film, we'll be
comparing it to its predecessor

1238
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,240
in the trilogy, but also to this
movie.

1239
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,680
But for now, I, I really want to
pick your brain because I've,

1240
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,200
I've been struggling to compare
this to The Force Awakens.

1241
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:07,760
And I think that where I'm
landing on this, Brad, is this

1242
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,840
is the, the kind of Star Wars
movie I'd rather see for.

1243
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,439
If you're going to make a movie
for grown-ups like this is the

1244
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:14,720
direction you need to go with
it.

1245
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,240
But between the two movies,
there is a perfect Star Wars

1246
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,880
film buried in there somewhere.
If you could just kind of

1247
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,319
Frankenstein together some
elements of each.

1248
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:29,080
Because for all of his faults,
JJ Abrams has always been

1249
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:33,880
really, really good at getting
you to care about characters.

1250
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,279
Whether you agree with those
characters arcs or not, He makes

1251
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:41,960
you feel the weight of their
decisions and their emotional

1252
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,120
arcs.
Like I think about the TV show

1253
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,560
Lost, which ultimately I think
suffers from the same thing as

1254
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,359
his sequels, which is just like,
I'm never going to actually

1255
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:53,520
reveal what's going on.
I'm going to continue playing

1256
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,120
this mystery box thing until you
figure out that that that I'm

1257
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,880
just stalling for time.
But in the interim, I'm going to

1258
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:04,240
get you really invested in where
this might be going by writing

1259
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,080
these characters backstories in
in a really profound way.

1260
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,280
And that's.
Why Mission Impossible Three is

1261
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,280
one of my favorites.
I freaking love Mission

1262
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:15,000
Impossible three man like, and I
think that if this movie had

1263
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:19,040
more of Abraham's ability to
make you care about characters,

1264
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,920
this might end up being my
favorite Star Wars movie because

1265
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:27,880
it's got the visuals, It's got
the ultimate tragic arc, but the

1266
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,360
tragic arc doesn't land as hard
as it should.

1267
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,800
And so I guess I'm, I'm
wondering, Brad, like let's draw

1268
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,400
comparisons, but also like, am I
way off base and thinking that

1269
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,080
there's a almost perfect Star
Wars movie somewhere between

1270
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,440
these two?
No, I I think you're, you're

1271
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:48,000
right in line, Bob.
The problem with there's so many

1272
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:54,520
problems with Force Awakens.
The problem for me is that The

1273
01:10:54,880 --> 01:11:04,400
Force Awakens feels so much
shinier than this one and has,

1274
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,480
in my opinion, just so much bad
dialogue.

1275
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,320
There are elements of I care
more about the characters in The

1276
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:18,080
Force Awakens, but the Rogue One
just looks like a Star Wars

1277
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,080
movie.
It plays like a Star Wars movie.

1278
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,720
It sounds like a Star Wars
movie.

1279
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,800
And it, and you're right, Zach,
I honestly, I'd never thought of

1280
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,800
it before in that terms of like,
what is the big punch that this

1281
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,720
movie delivers like and that
being an important element of

1282
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,880
the Star Wars universe.
But I'm with you.

1283
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:38,760
Like, I think that Abrams tries
to do that not just with I think

1284
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,320
he does try to do it with the
the lightsaber moment.

1285
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:46,000
I think he tries to do it with
Han Solo and Kylo right when

1286
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,560
they meet on the bridge and and
Kylo kills him.

1287
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,120
I think he's trying to deliver
that big punch there, but we all

1288
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,000
know that Kylo is going to kill
him.

1289
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,840
So it kind of takes away from
that.

1290
01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:01,640
I, I think Rogue One succeeds in
those areas, but I'm with you

1291
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,400
100%.
My I, I think my take away the

1292
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,040
first time I watch this is still
my take away the second time.

1293
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,640
I don't care about these
characters.

1294
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:14,800
Like the only reason I care
about the faux Jedi, the the

1295
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:20,600
blind faux blind Jedi and his
guardian companion is because a,

1296
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:26,280
they mimic more characters from
Knights of the Old Republic,

1297
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:31,360
which I don't know, Zach, if you
kind of caught that, but but

1298
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,520
they have great chemistry with
each other.

1299
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,800
And like, that's the only reason
I care about them.

1300
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,040
They don't have a great arc.
They're not actually that

1301
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,480
interesting of characters.
The actors have great chemistry

1302
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:45,000
together and that makes me a
little sad when they die.

1303
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:50,000
And I think that's why Felicity
Jones and Diego Luna don't work

1304
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,720
great.
I don't think that they have

1305
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,360
really good chemistry with each
other.

1306
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,960
Yeah, especially like Jianwen
and Donnie yen, like you can

1307
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,400
tell they're brothers to the
death, right?

1308
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,760
But I also think like sort of
going back to Bob's point, like

1309
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,400
the the problem with Force
Awakens is the rebels don't look

1310
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,360
like rebels.
They look like a very well

1311
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:14,040
funded private army from like
Baxter or whatever.

1312
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:18,480
Whereas in Rogue One, they look
like the rebels who are a Ray

1313
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:21,400
Tang group.
I mean, look, we George Lucas

1314
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,880
has said like he was thinking of
the Vietcong and and the

1315
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,640
American Empire when he was
writing New Hope, right?

1316
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,440
Which is like, yeah, that's an
obvious illusion, right?

1317
01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:31,480
That's an obvious parallel where
how can these like Ray take

1318
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,600
group of, you know, guerrillas
take on an empire and win?

1319
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,040
You know, it was 74 was the fall
of Saigon 7576.

1320
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,440
He's right.
And it's obviously that's the

1321
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,240
big thing you would be thinking
about in your mind, not that the

1322
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,560
rebels are the Vietcong.
That's, you know, it's not

1323
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,000
literal, right.
And I felt for the first time

1324
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,560
ever, and I think George Lucas
told Gareth Edwards and Tony

1325
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:57,600
Gilroy, this Rogue One's his
favorite film in the series of

1326
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,200
the new ones because it felt
like that.

1327
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,840
It felt like these were actual
rebels who were, who weren't all

1328
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,040
united and there were different
factions, but they were ragtag

1329
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,920
and they were, you know, they
were, you know, emaciated and

1330
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,520
they, they had morals that were
all over the place.

1331
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,640
And, you know, it wasn't this
like, oh, in Force Awakens, we

1332
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,400
are the perfect good guys who
look perfect and are perfectly

1333
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,680
coiffed and shaved and
uniformed.

1334
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,640
It's like, well, that's not
rebels.

1335
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,720
That's, you know, army for hire.
And that's what they literally

1336
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,400
say in Last Jedi, which people
got kind of pissed off about.

1337
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:38,520
But you know, I, I do like
Gareth Edward said when George

1338
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,560
Lucas told him Rogue One was his
favorite Star Wars movie that he

1339
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,040
didn't make.
He says I can die happy now, but

1340
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,840
I can see it.
I can see that being that could

1341
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,040
have been new or sorry, that
could have been Force awakens.

1342
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:51,960
Force Awakens could have looked
like that.

1343
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,560
It could have felt like that.
And so Bob, I agree with you.

1344
01:14:54,800 --> 01:15:00,000
Like the aesthetic of Rogue One.
Put that on to Force Awakens,

1345
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,480
and I think Force Awakens
becomes marginally, but not

1346
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:05,240
marginally.
It becomes exponentially better

1347
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,680
just from that care alone.
Obviously there are other

1348
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,680
problems with the script and
blah blah blah, but that doesn't

1349
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,840
matter.
The look was wrong in Force

1350
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,240
Awakens, right?
Yeah, which we we touched on

1351
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,240
last week too, Brad.
And, and I think that this might

1352
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,880
be a good natural segue into
getting into our last segment of

1353
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,480
the day, 'cause now we're we're
pairing this up with Force

1354
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:26,400
Awakens.
So let's see what other movies

1355
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,960
we want to pair this up with
with our last segment.

1356
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,680
Let's make it a double.
We're near the end of the

1357
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,040
episodes of Things, listening to
the film and Whiskey Show.

1358
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:37,600
Let's pair another film with
this one, even if it's

1359
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,480
struggling.
It's a final segment of the day.

1360
01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:42,160
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is the

1361
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,280
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1362
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,120
to make the perfect double
feature.

1363
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,000
Zach, you are on A roll today.
Man, I I did not know that you

1364
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,440
felt this strongly about this
film and or the Star Wars saga

1365
01:15:54,440 --> 01:15:57,480
in general.
So I'm going to ask you what

1366
01:15:57,480 --> 01:15:59,960
would make the best double
feature for this film?

1367
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,800
So I'm going to, I'm going to go
back to the the 70s well, which

1368
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:08,080
you guys probably know well by
now from me, but I'm going with

1369
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,040
Kelly's heroes.
Oh nice.

1370
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,480
It's a World War Two heist film
and at the core, Rogue One is a

1371
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:16,400
heist film.
Like Brad, like you said, the

1372
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,200
second-half of the film where
the heist starts, that's when

1373
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,680
the film kind of starts.
Like it, like in a good Star

1374
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,320
Wars movie, it starts 40 minutes
in.

1375
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,800
But the Kelly's heroes, you
know, it's a sort of, you know,

1376
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:31,160
the, you know, these, these
rebels in the American American

1377
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:35,040
GIS who are rebels who go AWOL
to go get some gold from the

1378
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,320
Nazis and have to, you know,
fight their way back through

1379
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,800
ridiculous odds.
Just like the battle Scara for

1380
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,920
the, you know, they're fighting,
you know, ATATS and like trying

1381
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,680
to blow them up and they just,
you know, turn back and look at

1382
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:46,640
them.
You know, they're fighting

1383
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,400
Panzer tanks and Tiger tanks in
the end of that film.

1384
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:53,000
And it's a very similar vibe
where, you know, it's it's

1385
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,880
insurmountable odds for, you
know, oddball and Claremont and

1386
01:16:55,880 --> 01:17:00,000
the whole team to like get
through out of France, back

1387
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:04,000
through the German lines and
back into home territory.

1388
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,920
And it just feels like also it's
more light hearted.

1389
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,680
I mean, it's as comedy.
It's a 70s comedy, so the

1390
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,240
comedies are very dry and kind
of weird sometimes.

1391
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,240
But it's a nice little throwback
and it's a lot lighter and it's

1392
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,080
a little more fun.
Everybody doesn't die in the

1393
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,760
end.
You know what, I'm I'm glad you

1394
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,840
said that one because I was
thinking at first this reminds

1395
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:26,400
me of like The Dirty Dozen or
not, not the guns of Navarone.

1396
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,800
What's the other one?
Force 10 from Navarone, like all

1397
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,120
of these kind of almost
exploitative.

1398
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,120
We're gonna send dudes into
World War Two and just, you

1399
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,280
know, everything that influenced
Inglourious Basterds

1400
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,320
essentially.
I think you could definitely

1401
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,120
pair this movie up with.
But also a killer cast, right?

1402
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,200
He's 100%.
Don Rickles, Carol O'Connor

1403
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,600
Donald Sutherland who just
passed Henry.

1404
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:51,200
All right, P man.
You know, like a real like, you

1405
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:55,040
know, of the time heavy hitter
cast again, just like Rogue One

1406
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,920
heavy hitter cast of the time.
And so, you know, I think, and

1407
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,680
it's also, like I said, it's a
comedy heist or it's not.

1408
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:04,920
You're not going to watch at the
enemy.

1409
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,280
Like, Oh well, they all died,
OK.

1410
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,880
I think ultimately the reason I
didn't decide to go with Dirty

1411
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,560
Dozen here is that tragic arc.
And so I wanted to think of

1412
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,120
something a little bit that
follows that path a little bit

1413
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,200
more.
And I think I'm ultimately going

1414
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:24,200
to go with a movie, Brad, that
is a war film that takes a

1415
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:28,760
ragtag group of soldiers who
have come from oppressed

1416
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:33,480
backgrounds, just like in this
movie that culminates in a a

1417
01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:37,400
doomed raid on a Fort on a sandy
beach.

1418
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:43,480
That is the 1989 Civil War film
Glory by Edward Zwick with

1419
01:18:43,480 --> 01:18:45,440
Denzel Washington, Matthew
Broderick.

1420
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,960
That movie's freaking slaps.
It's a film we have never talked

1421
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,040
about on this podcast before.
I don't know if you've ever seen

1422
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,440
Glory.
No, I, I I have never seen

1423
01:18:54,440 --> 01:18:58,400
glory.
Oh man, oh so good dude.

1424
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:04,560
Tearjerker, but like a true dad
movie, like a really good It's

1425
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,800
on AMC at at 2:30 in the
afternoon on a Saturday.

1426
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,680
Yeah.
But so it's phenomenal that

1427
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,520
alone.
Yeah, 100%.

1428
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,080
Denzel wins his first Oscar for
this movie, and it's it's really

1429
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,280
well deserved.
I can't recommend it highly

1430
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:19,760
enough.
So I'm going with glory.

1431
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,120
Brad, that means you get to
round us out here.

1432
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:28,280
Bob, I think I'm going to pick a
two film arc.

1433
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:31,600
Are we OK with that?
Sure.

1434
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:36,520
I am going to lean into the two
elements we've kind of talked

1435
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,240
about.
I think that the first, I think

1436
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:44,800
both movies do this really well.
They establish a fight for

1437
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:50,840
humanity against all odds and
there's no feasible chance that

1438
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:55,880
they ought to win this battle.
And I think it nails the tragic

1439
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,360
arc.
I'm talking Terminator and

1440
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:05,960
Terminator two baby.
I'm so happy that I have,

1441
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,440
whether you acknowledge it or
not, that I have made a Jim

1442
01:20:08,440 --> 01:20:11,240
Cameron fan out of you over the
course of this podcast.

1443
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,880
The only thing, the only thing
better is if you could have just

1444
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,000
said that you're pairing it up
with True Lies.

1445
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,280
Oh dude, that's not a bad one
either.

1446
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,400
I just I really wish that we can
get a cut.

1447
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:29,240
Where Cassian and as he and
Felicity Jones are like holding

1448
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:33,160
each other as the the nuclear
bomb explodes around them.

1449
01:20:33,480 --> 01:20:35,320
If he just like threw a thumbs
up.

1450
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:40,280
Yeah, or it could just be a a
complete mimic of that scene in

1451
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,720
True Lies where Jamie Lee Curtis
and Arnold Schwarzenegger are

1452
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,920
making out with the bomb going
off behind them.

1453
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,640
That's what we needed here.
Very nice.

1454
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:53,160
All right, so I've picked Glory,
Zach has picked Kelly's heroes,

1455
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:57,360
Brad has picked Terminators one
and two guys, let's give this

1456
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,040
movie some final scores.
I'm really struggling with this

1457
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:05,240
because like I said, I drove 7
hours to get home today, sat

1458
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,440
down on my couch and finished
watching this movie that I had

1459
01:21:08,440 --> 01:21:12,080
only been able to get through 20
minutes of in like 3 attempts

1460
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,160
over the last couple days.
I'm tired.

1461
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,360
I was a little bit distracted,
but I think this movie just it,

1462
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,840
it just didn't hook me the way
that it did the first time.

1463
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:26,880
And I think part of that is the
theatrical images of Gareth

1464
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:30,440
Edwards, like, overwhelm you in
a movie theater.

1465
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,800
And then once they've sunk it,
like sunk in and you get to go

1466
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,880
home and watch them on a smaller
screen.

1467
01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:39,960
I think the flaws and the seams
of this movie show a lot more.

1468
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,320
If you'd asked me walking out of
that theater what I'd give it, I

1469
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:44,880
would say like an 8 1/2
probably.

1470
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,360
If you asked me today, I'd say
like a six.

1471
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,080
So I think I'm going to split
the difference and I'm going to

1472
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,520
give it a little bit of the
benefit of the doubt because I

1473
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,840
do think that there are just
quite a few moments that still

1474
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,360
absolutely rule.
And I'm going to say a 7 1/2,

1475
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:01,640
but I don't really know if I can
go higher than that, Brad.

1476
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,720
Yeah, I mean, I still have my
IMDb score for this.

1477
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,760
From when I first rated it, it
was a 5 out of 10.

1478
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:13,520
I was really very unimpressed
with this movie.

1479
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:19,240
This time around, I think I was
sitting at A7 and then Darth

1480
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:23,280
Vader happened and I was like,
that's a half point right there

1481
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,080
for sure.
So I'm going to give it a 7 1/2

1482
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:27,720
as well.
Bob, I'm kind of right there

1483
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,720
with you.
Watch Zach be like this is a 10

1484
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:31,960
out of 10.
What's wrong with you?

1485
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,360
I mean, that's definitely not,
you know, like I said, I'm very,

1486
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,360
very aware of the faults, the
flaws.

1487
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,160
You guys are right on though.
Like the IMDb is right around

1488
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:43,840
here talking.
I always like to say a solid B

1489
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,680
plus, but that would be an 85 or
8 1/2, wouldn't it?

1490
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,280
So the Vader scene, that's an 11
out of 10.

1491
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,080
He definitely turned it up to 11
at the very least.

1492
01:22:55,520 --> 01:23:01,040
I would say the actual film is,
yeah, I hate to, I have to agree

1493
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:02,640
with you guys.
It's a 7 1/2 out of 10.

1494
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,960
Like it's it's it's like most
Star Wars movies that are great.

1495
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:09,000
They're 7 1/2 out of 10s.
There's No 10 out of 10 Star

1496
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,400
Wars movie.
Because this dude gets it.

1497
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,040
Thank you.
If we could all just

1498
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:19,760
collectively agree that Star
Wars movies are fun trifles for

1499
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,920
the most part then like the
world would be a better place.

1500
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,440
It's this entire cult that has
that has emerged around them

1501
01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:30,120
that insists that they are like
on par with the Godfather that I

1502
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:31,680
don't understand about Star
Wars.

1503
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,560
Like, let's just be happy that
we have these fun little movies

1504
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:40,440
that, you know, with a giant dog
man that growls at Han Solo and

1505
01:23:40,440 --> 01:23:42,320
we get to shoot lasers and say
pee pee.

1506
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:46,320
Like it's like, yeah.
And also, The Godfather's not

1507
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,400
perfect.
We'll go watch that film again.

1508
01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:52,000
I mean, doesn't make sense.
Let's let's just cool it on the

1509
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,040
spicy takes here, man.
You've hit your quota for the

1510
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,560
day.
All right, so it's a 7 1/2 for

1511
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,600
me and Brad and Zach.
So we've got the weight of all

1512
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,160
three of us behind this one.
But folks, if you disagree, let

1513
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,240
us know.
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1514
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:13,160
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1515
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,520
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1516
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,440
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1517
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:22,800
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1518
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,480
If you'd like to join that
conversation, you can find a

1519
01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:28,280
link at the end of every single
one of our show notes.

1520
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,880
Zach, open invitation for you to
come back anytime you want.

1521
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:36,240
And I say that because.
We probably do need a moderator

1522
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:39,240
for next week's episode.
I was going to say I I've been

1523
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,480
listening, been listening along
and I feel I can just hear Bob

1524
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:48,080
sort of like getting more and
more broken as he talks about

1525
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:53,760
these movies and Brad sort of
like Glee kind of rising and

1526
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,840
rising.
So I I feel like there needs to

1527
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,360
be somebody in between to be
like but Bob, no movies are

1528
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,400
perfect.
It's OK And and I.

1529
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:06,160
Listen man, I'm in a very
fragile place now and like I can

1530
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,640
feel Brad like circling for the
kill.

1531
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,560
The Hammer's ready, man.
I don't think the hammer needs

1532
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,600
to come, man, because The Last
Jedi is a really good movie.

1533
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,680
And to Zack's point, it doesn't
have to be perfect to be really

1534
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:19,560
good.
Yeah, but we will get into that

1535
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,600
next week, hopefully with Zack
in tow to to back me up here

1536
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:28,600
when we talk about Rian
Johnson's 2016 film The Last

1537
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,480
Jedi.
So join us for that as we

1538
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:33,720
finally shake Star Wars off our
back for the season.

1539
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,800
But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

1540
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:39,880
And we'll see you next time.