Raising Arizona / Lagavulin 16

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In 1987, the Coen brothers and
star Nicolas Cage.

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Gave the world a wacky Heist.
Caper that aimed to steal your

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heart in 2023.
We pair a long awaited movie

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with a long-awaited scotch
whiskey, the film is Raising

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Arizona.
The whiskey is lagavulin 16 and

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we'll review the both.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and

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this week we are looking at the
Coen Brothers. 1987, madcap

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comedy Raising Arizona madcap.
Madcap, Brad madcap.

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I liked your use of wacky.
Wacky is a really good word for

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this movie.
It is just, you know, I was

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reading our friend Ian Nathan's
book about the Coen brothers and

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he kept using the words a me to
describe this.

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Hmm, I think zany works.
It reminds me of the Animaniacs

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they used the word zany and this
seems like it would fit right in

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with an anime T acts cartoon.
It is essentially a Woody

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Woodpecker cartoon come to life
and I love it.

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Yeah, Woody Woodpecker makes an
appearance many times.

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It ain't in a tattoo.
Yeah.

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And and and Nicolas Cage's hair.
Yes, very obviously.

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Do you remember watching Woody
Woodpecker growing up.

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Oh, yeah, I mean, okay.
I feel like it was always part

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of like, other shorts, you know
what I mean?

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Like, it was never like a whole
half-hour of Woody Woodpecker,

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but they don't sneak one in
every now.

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And then, and I always liked the
Road Runner cartoons in theory,

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but the like the gag ran Dry for
me after 5 minutes 4 year old

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Robert.
I think.

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Yeah, there's no dialogue and
Lisa was good when I was two.

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No, it's just like, you know,
you watch him run into a wall

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and you're like, ha ha, ha.
And then it happens for more

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times in your like, bro, you're
dumb?

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I hope to men.
Yeah.

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I was a big fan.
All right.

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Well cool.
Then I hope you liked this movie

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because this is, again, this is
the equivalent of that.

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It It is similar to that.
That is the truth.

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All right.
So this seems to be one of those

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weeks where Brad's going to have
a very different opinion than

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me.
And I, you know, I've been

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batting pretty close to 1,000
this year.

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I've been flying too close to
the Sun is I guess what I'm

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going to say because I pick
movies and I worry that Brad is

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going to hate them and then most
of the time he does but this

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season I mean, Brief Encounter,
really threw me for a loop.

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I did not expect that at all.
So if you Like this movie, I

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guess I'm kind of do for one,
but no, I was really building

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this up in my mind because I
thought you would love this

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movie.
You know what we should do?

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We should do a season where
instead of, so season five was

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me picking just, you know
movies, I love that might not be

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Classics and you doing the same,
we should do a season where I

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create a curated list of 15,
movies or 16 that I think you

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will.
Would love.

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And then you do the same for me
and we judge how well, we know

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each other's movie taste by the
end of the season.

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I like that.
Yeah.

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We could do one of those things
where it's like, you know at the

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beginning of college football
bowl season, they always have a

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ranked by like confidence M like
who's gonna win?

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Yeah.
Like most confident that Brad

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would like to least confident.
And I'm telling you, dude, if we

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did that this year, Brief
Encounter would have been way at

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the bottom.
Yeah, I I can't believe it.

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Yeah, I love Brief Encounter.
Great, great movie Raising

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Arizona.
If you're, if you're ready for

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my take, Bob, I never.
Once had a, let's hear your

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initial thoughts.
I do want to hear initial

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thoughts there.
I did have a moment of epiphany

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after I watched this film and I
realized that this podcast is,

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it's a, it's a vehicle for you
to talk about movies and not to

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say that.
I don't love it.

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I absolutely love doing this
with you Bob, but everybody

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knows from the start of this.
This was your idea.

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You wanted somebody to talk
about movies with and yeah,

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don't sell yourself short.
It's not like not like I'm just

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using a mannequin sir to sit
across from me, to give up

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higher and some someone to talk
to that.

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I appreciate that but I realized
that if each and every episode

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is partially just to make you
feel good and help you enjoy

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your life and you know, enjoy a
hobby with a good friend.

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Sure.
Every once in a while I need an

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episode where It is solely for
my enjoyment, to make you hate

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that episode died.
Things to me, man, I think that

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the first instance of this was
the assassination of Jesse James

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by the coward.
Robert Ford.

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The second was Eternal Sunshine
of the Spotless Mind and the

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third was Raising, are has all
my gosh.

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You hated it that much, Bob, I
literally, you can ask Haley.

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I was sitting there watching the
movie she's sitting in In our

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living room on the couch, I'm
in, are in my computer room

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watching it and I just let out
the biggest sigh and Haley Goes,

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what's wrong?
I was like I just looked and

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there's 40 minutes left and
right.

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Brothers movies like 85 minutes
long.

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It is so fast-paced.
I can't believe I hated this

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movie Bob, like when I say hated
I am genuinely talking about

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assassination of Of of jet.
I can't even say the full name.

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I'm so frustrated with this
movie.

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I hit that point that I've hit.
So very rarely in this podcast

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where I literally thought to
myself, I need to make Bob pay

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for making me watch this movie.
Can I tell you how sad this

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makes me right now?
Like more than assassination of

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Jesse James more than what was
the other one, Eternal son,

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Eternal Sunshine.
I watched this movie for the

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first time a year ago, and I was
immediately like this might be

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the only Coen Brothers movie
that I would give a 10/10 to And

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I like the Coen Brothers.
Yeah, and I laughed my ass off.

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I thought this was a perfect
American Comedy and then the

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last seen that closing narration
is so poignant and so beautiful.

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And I was like, oh, and dessert.
Just shut up.

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And let me make my point.
Hey, this is how sad I am.

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I watched it this time and I was
like, I think I'm getting

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emotional at the end of this
very dumb movie.

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And and then I started reading.
We're going to have an author on

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the show next week, and she
talks about like religious

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parallels in the Coen Brothers
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And I started reading her take
on this movie and I was like,

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wow, like Brad.
And I as Christians, I was like,

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man, what an incredible way for
me, to take the back half of

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this episode and talk about how
this movie touches me, deeply as

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a Christian and lying.
I was like, man, there's so many

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parallels like to the concepts
of Grace.

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I was like, man, this is gonna
be such a good episode.

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Brad, literally if I could take,
if I could take back everything,

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I said about Brief Encounter and
you could just be like, it's the

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dumbest movie ever.
And I love that movie.

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I wouldn't care as much as I do
right now about this movie.

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I was so looking forward to you
watching this movie.

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Yeah.
I like I'm so upset right now.

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I'm sorry, man.
I'm not sorry.

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But I'm a little note, nor
should you be?

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But once again, your
Unpredictability strikes at just

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the most inopportune times,
where like strikes at the core

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of your being.
I mean, if I had to bet money at

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the beginning of the year on
like hey there's probably five

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movies Brad hasn't seen here,
you know, or let you know,

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there's more than that.
But like that Brad wouldn't have

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even known about which one of
the five, do you think he'd like

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the best?
I have been like, oh, Raising

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Arizona, like that's gonna be,
he's gonna love how Goofy and

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dumb and silly this movie is
we're going to have a great

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time.
I will say you you told me that

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the opening ten minutes might be
the most perfect comedic opening

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to a film.
Is that how you described it?

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Yeah, it's like yes, I think
you're wrong.

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It is the wait wait wait wait
wait wait.

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Hold up.
Funniest part of the movie.

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Okay it's how you started that
statement as if you were going

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to try to soften the blow like
you can see me over here bummed

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and you were like, hey, I will
say Say and then he went, I

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think you're wrong about that,
too.

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Like you just rub salt in the
wound.

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Yeah, a little bit of iodine
flavor note that we might get on

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the lagavulin 16 later.
The only reason I'm still here

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for this episode Bob, is because
you paired.

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One of the worst movies I've
ever seen with one of the

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greatest Whiskey's I've ever
drank.

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I am not trying to say that
like, this was me being

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arrogant.
And I, because I was trying to

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like, hey, maybe Brad won't like
this quite as much as me.

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But don't like it enough that he
can he can be nice about this

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movie and also you know, he's
been waiting to do this log of

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oil and so I'll pair up the
movie that I'm most excited for

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with the whiskey.
The he's most excited for and

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you have ruined that too.
Why can't we ever have nice

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things?
Brad G.

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I've prepared my ass off for
this episode.

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I was like, man, we're going to
hit all these cool points and I

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can just tell it's going to be
one of those where you're like,

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yeah, cool.
After every point I make, can I

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tell you?
The one part of the movie that I

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actually legitimately chuckled
at, hold it for now because we

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have to get into the actual
like, like structure of this

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episode.
Okay.

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Okay.
Okay.

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I'm popping my whiskey right now
and we're going to segue into a

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segment that we call Brad
explains.

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But before we get there, as soon
as this might be our last

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episode ever, I don't even know
why I'm plugging our patreon,

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but I probably should if this is
your first time listening to us,

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I deeply apologize.
If it's our 300th time,

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listening to us than that, you
know, what's up?

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This is par for the course of
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Brad and I are on there every

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He's at the five and seven
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You get uncensored episodes,
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this week cuz I'm about to haul
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Brad.

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It is time for Brad explains the
part of the show where you break

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down the plot of the movie that
you have just seen.

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Jean often for the first time.
I'm so bummed I can't even but

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my heart is not in this anymore.
It's gonna happen is gonna hang

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up, hang up, my Spurs and walk
away like this like John Wayne

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at the end of the The Searchers
yes man.

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All right all right man you have
a minute on the clock to break

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down the plot of this movie and
go Raising Arizona is a film

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about a couple who meets because
the gentleman is a convict and

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And the lady is a police
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They fall in love, get married
and find out that they cannot

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have children.
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them of this problem, she
decides that, you know, they're

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not able to adopt because of his
checkered past.

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And so the she decides that when
a famous Furniture salesman has

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quintuplets five children that
they should just steal one of

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them because they have way too
many on their hands, so they go

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and steal a child.
Old and they take terrible care

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of it and high.
The male characters, friends

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from prison escape like a
birthing scene, and it's

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disgusting.
And they come to his house and

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ruin his life and he punches a
guy who wants to be a swinger

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with his wife and they returned
the baby's baby to the other

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babies.
And there's a biker, who's

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weird?
I'm so sad.

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I don't even know what to do.
All right, man, tell me the part

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of this movie that you enjoyed,
or that you chuckled at.

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Yeah.
I thought I will say there were

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a, the dot the Coen Brothers
dialogue at certain points of

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this film, were was still sharp.
Like, you can tell that the Coen

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Brothers, just know how to write
a script.

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And the moment that actually got
me pretty good, was when Ed and

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high are having lunch with you
know her friends the respectable

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folk and she's telling them
about all these shots that they

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need to get and finding a
pediatrician and all this stuff

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and eventually they returned
after a terrible visit with this

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you know this friend of hers and
the convicts upon hearing that

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the baby needs to get his shots.
The convent goes, what is

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dip-tet that that like it was so
Unexpectedly funny especially

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based on the previous 30, 40
minutes of the film that had

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actually got like a legit laugh
out of me just the the irony of

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a convict.
Knowing what shots this child

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needed to get that.
That was highly amusing to,

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there you go.
One point for that.

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So it's gonna get at least a 1
out of 10.

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We're that's, we're off and
running now baby.

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Yeah, I think, before we dive
into performances because I

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don't want this to just devolve
into like, Like us both being

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uninterested in this
conversation.

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I'm highly interesting, man,
that's good, because I don't

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know if you remember, like, when
we did the assassination of

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Jesse James episode now and
granted that was so early on in

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the podcast that yeah, I don't
feel like we even had a rhythm

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yet.
And so it really threw a wrench

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into trying to eke out an
episode.

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But you also, you hated that
movie, so much that you just

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like, checked out of that whole
episode.

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You were just like I did.
I don't know what to say, you

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know, Bob I, uh, Still remember,
I know I mentioned on that

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episode there was just a certain
point of that film where I just

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felt this fire in my belly and
anger in my soul that you were

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making me watch it.
Honestly, like I don't even mind

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that part of it so much.
It was the fact that you came

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into the episode, it would just
like crossed her arms and you're

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like, I don't even care.
Like, this is an audio format.

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You can't just be silent the
whole time.

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Just kicked us be so Sullen
toddler in the corner. okay, so

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I guess I would like to hear
Comparing this movie to O

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Brother.
Where Art Thou and I don't just

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mean like one was funnier than
the other whatever like think

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about the Aesthetics.
Think about the overall Vibes of

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the movie, what is it about O
Brother?

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Where Art Thou, that makes that
feel like I guess I'm more

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cohesive experience for you.
Like, what made that movie work?

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That made this movie feel
sloppy?

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I don't know if that's even a
word, I want to use because I'm

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not sure if you would describe
it that way, but clearly

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something about this one didn't
work for you.

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So well yeah, go ahead.
Bob you are again.

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You're honestly describing
exactly the the issues I think

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that your comparison I hadn't
thought of this until you said

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it.
Your comparison of this film to

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Animaniacs like was like the
light of Heaven.

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Shining down upon my soul.
I was like oh this movie is a

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cartoon like percent the the way
that Nicolas Cage is like

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crawling under the car as He's
trying to get away, dude.

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The face that he makes so good.
It's so dumb.

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And like the way he does, it is
so disjointed and stilted and

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fake and just feels cool.
Okay, and like stop insulting.

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It just answer the question
though.

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Like I am in hell right question
and that's that's the issue with

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the entire movie.
It just feels disjointed and if

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like it's Stylistic in trying to
present itself as a cartoon.

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That it feels like the Coen
brothers are like winking at

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each other.
Like, we're just making a stupid

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movie, but nobody's gonna catch
on.

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You see her doing there and like
it just the way that Leonard

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Smalls walks into the Arizona
furniture store, and it shows

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like a match just appear in his
hand and a cigarette up.

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Here in his other hand and just
all of the stylistic choices

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they made with the camera.
Just made me want to claw my

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eyes out.
All right, so here's what I'm

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trying to figure out at this
point.

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Like does it need to be like
like TV stations during an

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election cycle where you're like
mandated to have equal give

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equal opportunity to both sides.
Like you can't just show ads for

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the Republicans or the
Democrats.

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I mean like if I should Our
conversation right now.

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So I'm saying I don't know if I
should keep because I'm trying

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to like actually understand your
point of view.

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But I'm also realizing that the
more I let you talk, the more

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you're going to turn off anyone
from ever checking out this

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movie that, which I legitimately
think is a great movie.

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Yeah, then that's fine.
That you have you are, as if you

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are a longtime listener as
producer, Eric used to say, you

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are entitled to your own wrong
opinion, correct?

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Here's another, I This will help
some it up a little more.

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It has the comedy in this has
too much of a Family Guy, feel

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to it and the scene I'm thinking
of is when John Goodman and

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whoever the heck played, his
brother are being birthed out of

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the ground, almost like a
farcical Shawshank Redemption,

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they're clawing their way out of
the ground.

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It's a very His birth metaphor
and they just scream for 4

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minutes straight.
And I like when it first started

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happening I was kind of like oh
yeah there it's a birthday

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thing, that's kind of funny and
he's yelling, then he rips his

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brother out and there he's
yelling and it's funny because

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babies scream when they're born
and and and that was the whole

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movie for me it was just all
over rot and overdone and I

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think that in a show Like Family
Guy.

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It can work for me because I
like the the the humor that

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they're going for but in this
movie it just clashed with the

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content of the film and you get
to the end of the movie.

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And there's this really poignant
last what, eight minutes of the

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film nine minutes of the film,
where they have, this really

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incredible conversation with
Nathan Arizona.

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And I was sitting there and I
could feel myself being

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emotionally moved and I was
like, damn it.

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This movie doesn't deserve this
and then I legitimately started

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thinking about that phrase and I
was like, oh, like not just in a

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me being angry way, but like,
this film literally doesn't

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deserve this.
None of these characters have

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acted this way except for add
will get to add later.

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She is a, she's a lot to stand
aside from all of the criticism,

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I hurl at this film.
But none of the characters

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deserved the ending that they
got Nathan Arizona.

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Like was a snake oil salesman
the entire movie and all of a

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sudden, he's this great old wise
purveyor of wisdom and mercy and

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Grace.
Like no that's not the character

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that you gave us throughout the
entire film.

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And I land and it's just such a
sudden abrupt shift in tone.

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I just couldn't do it, man,
couldn't do it.

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Are you?
Here's the dilemma I'm facing

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once again.
Okay, I will restate the Dona

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but You're doing a really good
job of articulating, what didn't

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work for you and why for you?
It didn't work and I really feel

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like I have no powerful argument
to make in my favor other than

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just like yep, all of that
worked for me.

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Do you know what I mean?
Like, I think in a lot of ways

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that's kind of what this movie
boils down to is like, are you

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okay with a movie that is
unabashedly, silly and not for

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most of it not striving.
For anything more than being

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unabashedly silly.
And if you recall last week,

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this is kind of my complain
about O Brother, Where Art Thou,

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which is that there are elements
of it that try to be really

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silly, but it's all kind of in
the trappings of a Prestige

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film.
I've always wondered like, why

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did they put so much effort into
the aesthetic of this movie?

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And like, it's just a silly
little film that they dressed up

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to look really nice and that's
not it again.

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Like that's not a bad thing.
It's just always confounded me.

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Where is this movie?
Just kind of like, you know, the

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camera work for lack of a better
word is kind of ugly on purpose.

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They use these wide angle lenses
that make everybody look just a

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little bit grotesque.
It's the same kind of lenses

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that like Stanley Kubrick used
in a lot of his movies and

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you'll see.
I mean you see it a lot

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especially in that late 80s.
Early 90s period.

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Tim Burton was using a lot of
this kind of camera work.

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If you've watched like
Beetlejuice or, you know, the

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Pee Wee movie, like there's a
lot in that, and I think it

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really works for the store.
they're trying to tell like this

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is just a zany little movie and
also I think it still fits in

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really well with the Coen
Brothers, kind of overall I

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don't know their bag.
Like, they're always telling

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these little American fables
about either dim-witted people

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or ordinary people who get in
over their heads and get, you

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know, pulled into a story of
crime and there's a moral

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Redemption Arc for somebody.
Or there's at least a moral to

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be learned.
I think it really does fit in

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super well with that.
And it's set in this kind of

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only only slightly exaggerated
kind of like touristy version of

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the Test.
That would make a lot of sense

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for people in the late 80s
watching this.

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It's like, I don't know how to
explain it.

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Brad, it reminds me and the
movie I was going to use for my

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make it a double at the end of
the day was it's a mad mad mad

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mad world and how and how that
movie is like a really great

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poster for the late 50s, early
60s and that sort of like weird

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capitalist moment of the late
50s, and how you meet these

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characters who are cartoons
throughout that movie and you

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and I I know both love that
movie.

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Oh yeah.
This movie If I Could sum it up

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and this is what I was going to
go for at the end of the episode

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was like, this movie is, it's a
mad mad, mad mad world.

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If you introduce crystal meth
into the equation, like it.

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How this it again, I think it
fits right in with that late 80s

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aesthetic and and we know that
Brad G is a noted hater of the

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80s.
Do you want to know something

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crazy?
What's that?

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I was going to choose mad.
Mad.

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Mad mad world as my make it a
double where are you really

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100%?
Wow, my choice.

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That's awesome.
Okay, yeah, there's a couple

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more questions I have and I do,
I mean, I wouldn't let you get

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your thoughts out here because I
think you are making good

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points.
I disagree with all of them like

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I'm I am going to give this
movie a 10 out of 10 and you're

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probably going to give it like a
1 or 2 out of 10.

444
00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:07,800
And so that makes me, I want to
just say to filmin Whiskey

445
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,500
Nation.
I don't care if Brad's making a

446
00:26:10,508 --> 00:26:14,300
more compelling argument than
me, I kind of hope this becomes

447
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:17,300
the most-watched movie of our
season because I really want to

448
00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:20,400
know what people think.
It's honestly, it's really rare

449
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:24,000
that we are this polarized on a
movie Brad and that makes me

450
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,300
want like, you know, I'm sure
that you wouldn't wish this

451
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:30,700
movie upon your worst enemy.
I'm wishing it upon my worst

452
00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:32,100
enemy.
I'm telling everyone out there

453
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:35,100
like, go watch it.
Because at the end of the day,

454
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:37,900
like I said, it's not even 90
minutes long again.

455
00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:42,200
It is not a long movie, even if
it felt that way to Brad, it

456
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,000
sure did man.
Some of the points you were

457
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,700
making.
You were talking about how

458
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:48,400
stylized it was and how that
didn't work for you.

459
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,300
And this was an argument, we
made in our Scott Pilgrim

460
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:55,300
episode weeks and weeks ago.
And that movie didn't work for

461
00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:56,600
me at all.
Like I really didn't care for

462
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,800
that movie.
What is it about a movie?

463
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,700
Like Scott Pilgrim and the world
that it's building that helps

464
00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:05,900
that movie hold together better
than the world.

465
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:08,800
This movie's building.
Hmm, that's an interesting

466
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,600
question.
I mean part of it.

467
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,300
I will say I did not give Scott
Pilgrim at 10 at 10.

468
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:20,900
Dad. 10 is a very, very high,
high compliment to give a movie.

469
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:24,600
I think that.
Hmm.

470
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:31,200
Why does Scott Pilgrim work?
Raising Arizona doesn't or I

471
00:27:31,208 --> 00:27:34,100
guess maybe a follow-up /
clarifying.

472
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:38,000
Question is like, do you even if
you hate the world?

473
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,300
The ugly little world that this
movie builds?

474
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:45,400
Does it still feel like they
built out a fully-realized world

475
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,100
in this movie the way that it
did in Scott Pilgrim?

476
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:52,300
They, they definitely built out
a fully-realized world.

477
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,600
I think that for me, the scene
that really turned me off to the

478
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,600
film Umm, was the opening Baby
scene.

479
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:04,100
Okay, like what?
Like when Nicholas Cage is

480
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:09,600
stealing the baby that like it
was the most pointless scene of

481
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,000
the film.
I actually agreed that I'd like

482
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,600
and it's played for laughs but
it goes on way too long.

483
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:21,400
It goes on way too long and it
like it's I guess I'm realizing

484
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:27,200
the reason I hate this movie, it
stretches the idea of even

485
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,700
within the world of Movie.
It stretches the ideas of

486
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:34,600
reality so far that I just
completely, check out.

487
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:39,100
Even in a farcical comedy, even
in a dark comedy.

488
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:44,800
Like this is the idea of him not
just picking up one of the

489
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:50,500
babies and leaving like it, like
what is he doing?

490
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,000
Why is he setting them on the
ground in a circle on the floor

491
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,500
and then freaking out?
When one of them is crawling

492
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:58,200
towards the door and then
putting them back.

493
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:04,600
In the crib and that it is.
So beyond the bounds of my

494
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:10,600
suspension of disbelief that I
was just like this is this is

495
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,600
this is bad and I think that the
movie just continually does that

496
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,200
throughout.
I think the entire character of

497
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:25,600
the the motorcycle guy Smalls
Leonard Smalls I think

498
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:31,100
completely checked me out like
He hi has this dream about this

499
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:34,400
man of the apocalypse and it
just goes on for like ten

500
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,200
straight minutes of him, riding
around shooting bunny, rabbits,

501
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,200
and lizards and having small
children's shoes, tied to his

502
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,000
belt, like it just stretches,
the imagination.

503
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,400
So, so far that I'm just like
that.

504
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,400
Like, even within the world that
they've built its way, beyond my

505
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,000
willingness, to go as a viewer
with my, Suspension of

506
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,400
disbelief, this movie had a
profound emotional impact on me.

507
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:07,900
And it left me at the end,
wanting to talk about how we

508
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:11,600
extend Grace to each other and
how Nicolas Cage talks about.

509
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,700
Like, you know, we even we could
be good, we could be good too.

510
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,300
And in the spirit of that, I'm
just letting you make your

511
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:22,600
points and I thanks, man.
I feel like I am, I am Rising

512
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,700
above the muckety-muck that you
were trying to drag me down into

513
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,100
and you take ever moral Victory,
you need, I'm gonna have to

514
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:32,800
side.
Yeah, boss.

515
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:35,100
Oh my gosh, dude, let's take a
break.

516
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,100
Let's drink some whiskey and
then we'll come back and we'll

517
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:39,100
get into like the regular meat
and potato stuff.

518
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,400
I do want to talk about the
performances and what which

519
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,300
which ones we liked which ones
we didn't like, but let's at

520
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:46,300
least agree on a good whiskey
here.

521
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:48,800
Brad.
What do you say dude?

522
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:51,700
I am so ready for this
lagavulin.

523
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:02,400
All right, everybody.
We are transitioning away from

524
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,500
talking about that movie and
worked on that movie.

525
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:11,100
That was your most like 90s
radio, DJ Opening Ever bobbin.

526
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:17,100
Brad in the morning.
Hey, We're drinking lagavulin 16

527
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:19,700
year.
We have never had a whiskey from

528
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:23,200
The lagavulin Distillery before.
This is a big deal for us

529
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,700
because Brad and I both really
like lagavulin and this, the log

530
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:30,600
of 0, and 16 is a special
occasion whiskey if ever there

531
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,900
was one like I've had a poor of
this on my anniversary before, I

532
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:35,900
know, Brad is either had it like
on his birthday or is

533
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:38,100
anniversary.
We've talked about it with each

534
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:41,400
other before.
I'm really excited to do this,

535
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,500
man.
I actually think that the first

536
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:48,800
Lagavulin I ever had was do they
make like a 23-year though?

537
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,600
They might, when I don't worry.
Listen.

538
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,800
If they do, I've never seen it
in the wild.

539
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:55,600
I'm sure they do.
But like the, you know, I think

540
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,200
I can't handle, like, Mom and
Pops Liquor Store in Akron, Ohio

541
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,400
and find lagavulin 23:23.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

542
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,500
But no, this is.
So this is shout out to one of

543
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:10,100
my really great friends.
Who's a police officer down in

544
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:13,500
Columbus.
He donated this sample for us

545
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,600
and I am in Had to be thankful.
And as you said Bob, this is

546
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,600
like his once-a-year.
I buy a bottle of this and I

547
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,100
drink it on, you know, special
occasions or just times where I

548
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:29,400
really desperately need, one of
the best whiskies I've ever

549
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,000
drank.
So even in looking up, you know,

550
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,300
trying to find tidbits about
this and a little bit more into

551
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:38,200
like the production of it,
things like that.

552
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,400
The thing that keeps coming up
about lagavulin is that it is

553
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,500
the P deist of all Pete and I
again, I I've not seen like the

554
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:46,900
charts.
I know that I've seen charts

555
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:49,600
before they talk about like how
much you know parts per million

556
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,900
or whatever of of the whiskey is
Pete.

557
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:54,100
Maybe lagavulin is the P deist
one.

558
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:57,500
I feel like we had that debunked
when we talked with our friend

559
00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:01,500
cam from Ardbeg the one time.
Yep but right now I'm reading

560
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:03,700
off of a website called The
Whiskey exchange, which I get a

561
00:33:03,708 --> 00:33:07,300
lot of good information from and
it says probably the most

562
00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:11,500
pungent of all I love malts.
Lagavulin is not for the

563
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:14,500
faint-hearted but inspires
fanatical devotion in its many

564
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:18,900
Followers Brad.
I'm nosing this right now, and I

565
00:33:18,908 --> 00:33:20,500
don't mean to jump.
You know, jump into the nose

566
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:22,000
before we really give the
details here.

567
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,300
But it's PD, but it's so much
softer than a lot of PD

568
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:29,400
Whiskey's that we've had.
Yep.

569
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:31,200
And I don't mean that, it's like
less PD.

570
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,700
It just has a lot of really nice
floral and sweet notes

571
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:38,300
underneath that.
Mmm, this is not an especially

572
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:41,400
pungent, whiskey, I would say
now.

573
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,500
No, I don't know what people are
getting when they called the

574
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,000
Deus.
Because for me as you spend time

575
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,800
on the nose and on the palate
and let it sit there and have an

576
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,600
enjoyable finish.
I like there is Pete throughout,

577
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:01,100
don't get me wrong, but I think
that the Laphroaig lure we had

578
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,200
had more people in this.
I think that some of the Ardbeg

579
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,300
Expressions feel prettier than
this.

580
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:14,000
This to me is an incredibly
smooth experience and I like

581
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,800
yes, there's Eat throughout but
it's so tasteful and it it adds

582
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,500
to the experience of floral
fruity like stone fruit iodine.

583
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:26,199
It's a much more experience for
me.

584
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,600
It's a much more caramely
version of p.m. are you know

585
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,400
before we get too far down the
rabbit Trail here.

586
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,500
Let's just say this again, this
is a 16 year old single malt

587
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:39,000
whisky from lagavulin, which is
an I'll uh Scotch Ila is a

588
00:34:39,007 --> 00:34:42,500
region in Scotland that is known
for its very PD.

589
00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:47,199
Scotches Pete is Organic matter
that has decomposed in bogs.

590
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,699
It's used in the malting
process, it gives these scotches

591
00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:54,600
and especially Smoky and
sometimes, Briny kind of thing

592
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,800
going on.
You know, when people say that

593
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,800
it smells like a cigar has been
extinguished in your whiskey.

594
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:01,900
That's what they're talking
about.

595
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:05,200
So, if you've, you know, if you
are not a fan of scotch, it may

596
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,900
be because you started with PD
scotches, not all Scotch, smells

597
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:11,400
like this.
And as I say if that's the case,

598
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:14,500
go drink Quinta Ruben, right?
Yeah, get yourself.

599
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:17,800
Some acclimated with like a
Highland scotch or space

600
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,500
speyside scotches.
Like Anyway, the Ila ones are

601
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:23,100
the ones that you're probably
thinking of these.

602
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:25,500
Are there.
Really nothing to mess around

603
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:28,900
with if I'm being frank.
But, but again, even among

604
00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:32,200
those, I think this one Brad is,
is much softer much more

605
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,000
inviting.
It comes in at 86 proof, and I

606
00:35:36,008 --> 00:35:37,400
think we should Dive Right In
Here, man.

607
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,000
Give us your nosing notes.
Yeah.

608
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,400
On the nose, a, it's incredible,
the be theirs.

609
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,100
Honey, there's some charcuterie
meets.

610
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:50,400
There is obviously a decent
amount of Pete.

611
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:55,200
I got a little bit of that.
Nice, iodine saline, feel to it.

612
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,200
And then the longer I spent with
it, the more the honey kind of

613
00:35:59,207 --> 00:36:04,000
came out along with like sweet
mint and grapefruit.

614
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:06,000
Yeah, yeah, I love those notes
man.

615
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,900
It definitely has a little bit
of mint on it.

616
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,800
Definitely honey forward for me
instead of grapefruit.

617
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,500
It's more of like a cantaloupe.
I get a lot of melon on this.

618
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,700
Yeah, there's something about,
you know, when they make like

619
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:20,800
soaps or candles that they say
are like, like called they're

620
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,400
called, like by the sea or
something, and it just smells

621
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,900
like, yeah, like fresh.
It's meant to evoke like fresh

622
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,000
wind or something by on the
beach.

623
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,500
And this kind of has that like,
this reminds me of, like

624
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,700
standing by the ocean a Mist
coming off of it and again, then

625
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:38,400
kind of what Tyler region of
Scotland is like.

626
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:44,200
But this is very very bright for
something as PD as it is and I

627
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,000
really Really like that about
it.

628
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,500
I'm going to give this a nine
out of ten on the nose bread.

629
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,900
Yeah, I'm at a 9 and a half out
of ten.

630
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:53,100
Bob.
Now it is worth noting.

631
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:56,600
It is worth noting that Brad
like speeded scotches.

632
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,600
Probably more than I do.
I'm not opposed to them, but

633
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:02,600
this is one of your favorite
types of whiskey.

634
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,600
Yeah.
Yeah, I and I will always say it

635
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,800
peated.
Scotches are not like what I

636
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,200
think about drinking first.
I don't like on a random night

637
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,700
when I'm like, I just kind of
need a What should I pour?

638
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,600
I don't often just go up, let's
go the pita drought but every

639
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:26,900
time I do I never regret it.
All right man, let's talk about

640
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:29,700
this flavor profile.
Now I will say, I'll go first

641
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:33,300
here because I just took a sip.
I'm a little disappointed.

642
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:36,100
Coming off the nose just because
there isn't a ton of that

643
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:39,200
sweetness sticking around.
It turns, pretty bitter.

644
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,200
Pretty quick.
This is a definitely a medicinal

645
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,400
whiskey when you hear that
phrase being Tossed around.

646
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,800
Yeah, and I don't mean like it's
not souring at all, but it's

647
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,400
kind of like yeah, you know,
when you take a pill that's like

648
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,100
an uncoated pill and it starts
to dissolve in your mouth a

649
00:37:55,107 --> 00:37:58,600
little bit, this is what that
tastes like it's medicinal and

650
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,100
right around the edges of my
tongue.

651
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:02,400
I get just a hint of that melon
and honey.

652
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,900
But this is not really well
balanced in terms of like

653
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:10,700
sweetness to Medicinal ratio.
Hmm.

654
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:14,500
Yeah, I mean for me I think that
you get a lot of Pete throughout

655
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:19,800
the the palette and then there's
a lot of honey and melon I did

656
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:25,700
move from a grapefruit into more
of a melon on the palate and

657
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:29,400
then it was a little bit.
Okey there was some pine nuts

658
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:34,700
coming through, and then B of
vegetal notes that that kind of

659
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:39,800
rounded out the experience.
For me this is one of the most

660
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:45,200
Not necessarily High complexity,
but the complexity that it has

661
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,500
is a perfect marriage of
flavors.

662
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,500
And so there there's a it's a
complex palate that has

663
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:57,300
sweetness and vegetal and some
nuttiness paired with the peat

664
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:00,000
and the oak.
I think this is a 10 out of 10

665
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,900
on the taste but I know you're
going to love this one.

666
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:04,300
Yeah, I just prefer mine to stay
just a little bit Sweeter Than

667
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,500
This.
The second sip definitely was an

668
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:08,600
improvement.
Like my palate had acclimated to

669
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,000
it a little bit.
I get a lot.

670
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:14,700
Lot more like raw barley or even
like a like a breakfast cereal

671
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:17,700
version of like honey smacks or
something like that.

672
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,500
Mmm.
There's definitely some of that

673
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:23,300
cereal coming through here.
It's just not quite sweet enough

674
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:25,800
for me.
I could take that medicinal

675
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,400
flavor.
If it was balanced out a little

676
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,600
bit better, I'm just going to
give this one, a seven and a

677
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,300
half on the flavor, the finish
here.

678
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,200
Long smooth, it leaves like
that.

679
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,800
Smoky campfire, taste in your
mouth, honestly, it was like an

680
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,000
hour hour and a half drive to
Drink it and I could still just

681
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,100
barely have feel that in my, in
my throat.

682
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:49,900
Absolutely loved it.
As I was drinking it though.

683
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,900
Really a lot of stone fruits.
Came out at the end, some like,

684
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:58,300
figs and prunes along with the
oakiness and the smokiness.

685
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,000
Yeah, on the finish.
I think some of that complexity

686
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,300
comes back, the referring to the
honey is definitely still there.

687
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:07,800
I like how you called it
oakiness and smoking, as I think

688
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,200
it's a really good.
It reminds me of a really good

689
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,400
charcuterie board.
Like I'm getting some almost

690
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,900
like some peach or apricot jam
coming up a little bit like

691
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:20,700
mixed with a really good like
prosciutto, some sort of like

692
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:23,300
ass like a salty ham, it's all
there.

693
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:25,800
It's really really good
significantly.

694
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,400
Better than the palette was for
me.

695
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,800
I'm going to give this like an
eight and a half on the Finish.

696
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:32,500
Yeah.
I'm at a 9 and a half on the

697
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:36,800
finish and then when we get to
balance Bob, it's a 10 out of 10

698
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,000
for me like, like, what is there
not to like about this?

699
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,100
Experience.
It is complex.

700
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:45,300
The flavors are all on point.
They all balance each other out

701
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:48,600
really well.
And enhance each other, I think

702
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:53,800
lagavulin is easily knocking it
out of the proverbial Park here.

703
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,600
Yeah, I'm gonna disagree.
Just because I did think that

704
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,700
the palette was a big step down
from the rest of the experience

705
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:03,200
for me brat, like a big surprise
Bob disagreeing with Brian.

706
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,800
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, if only, if only you could

707
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,400
disagree with me and still give
everything, an average of like

708
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,800
an 8 out of 10.
And that's what I'm saying here.

709
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,600
Like I don't like this as much
as you, but this is a good

710
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,500
whiskey.
This is a really good whiskey.

711
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,700
I'm gonna give it a seven and a
half on the balance.

712
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:25,100
Okay, so value in the grand,
beautiful, incredible state of

713
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:27,800
Ohio.
This whiskey will set you back

714
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:33,600
$95.
Yeah, I think that I think that

715
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:39,400
I actually for flavor would
prefer the Ardbeg Udall to this.

716
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,800
I liked that better than this is
a good whiskey.

717
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,600
That one is also.
I think that one's like almost

718
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,800
Barrel proof right.
Isn't that like 110 or 115 proof

719
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,200
or something?
I remember one of the our bags

720
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,100
is Barrel proof.
It probably is a good.

721
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:58,300
All in any case I would prefer
that to this, it's roughly the

722
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:03,300
same price point.
So do I think that a six Year.

723
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:06,600
I love Scotch retailing for $95.
Is a good value.

724
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,500
Absolutely.
I do.

725
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,400
It's not my favorite one among
that price point, but it's not a

726
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,500
bad value, I'll give it a 7 out
of 10.

727
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,800
I will give it a 9 out of 10,
Bob, like I think the fact that

728
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:22,100
this will cost you less than
$100 is is pretty impressive and

729
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:28,500
it's a good price point.
If this was like 7999, I think

730
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:31,600
I'd be up at the 10/10 range.
All right, so where are you

731
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,400
coming out?
Brad because I actually have a

732
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,300
really great score and you I
know that you are much higher

733
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:41,100
than me.
So Bob this outside of the

734
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:42,700
barrel.
Seagrass, this might be my

735
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:44,600
second highest rated whiskey of
all time.

736
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,700
I'm at a 48 out of 50.
My gosh, dude.

737
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:51,100
Yeah, I think this is truly
incredible.

738
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:53,900
I mean, I don't want to like
dampen your spirits hear any of

739
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:54,600
it.
Like it is.

740
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,200
Not that good dude.
Like it's good.

741
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,000
I'm coming to a 39 and a half.
So like I'm almost at a 40 out

742
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,600
of 50.
I really like this.

743
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:08,400
And that's somehow still not
good enough for Brad and I did

744
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,700
this is everything I want out of
a peated scotch.

745
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:18,600
We're at an 87 Point 5 out of
100 or a forty three point seven

746
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,900
five out of 50 like it's a damn
good whiskey folks.

747
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,300
Yeah yeah I mean I think that
like 43 44 out of 50 is like a

748
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:30,100
very fair score to get this 39
and a half.

749
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:32,200
You know, it's a little low but
when you know, we can let it

750
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,200
Skip by dude.
Wouldn't have been funny.

751
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,200
If we had been as split on this
whiskey, if we're going to be on

752
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,000
that movie, you're at like a 19
out of 50.

753
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,100
All right, man.
Let's see if I get it talking

754
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:48,200
about Raising Arizona.
Oh, I suppose so we can do it.

755
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,700
Bob.
Let's get through this.

756
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:55,700
All right, everybody that was
lagavulin 16.

757
00:43:55,700 --> 00:44:00,300
A whiskey that we have consensus
on one of the greatest Whiskey's

758
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:04,200
and film and whiskey podcast,
history, it's a really good

759
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,500
whiskey.
It is no honestly, I can respect

760
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:13,300
that like all joking aside.
I know that it's not necessarily

761
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:16,400
everybody's cup of tea and I'm
with you.

762
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,000
I think the ooga doll was an
incredible whiskey.

763
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,200
So I, that's, that's fine, man.
It doesn't make me upset that

764
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,400
you like that.
Or all right man you are

765
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,900
delaying the inevitable here.
And when we talk about the

766
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:32,700
inevitable, I mean my crushing
defeat that comes every week at

767
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:36,300
the hands of Brad G at a game
that we call to facts and a

768
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:39,700
falsehood to facts in a
falsehood is where Brad presents

769
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,600
three items to me all of them
presented as fact, one of, which

770
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,400
is completely made up about the
making of This film and I have

771
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,000
to guess, which one is the
fabrication Brad?

772
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,600
I'm on a two-week winning
streak.

773
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,800
You are But something tells me
that as I've already put all my

774
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,900
eggs in the basket of hoping you
would like this movie like karma

775
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:01,500
is just not going to be kind to
me this week.

776
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:06,400
It's gonna catch up.
Yeah, I will say, I was a bit

777
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,500
malicious with this week's two
facts in a falsity.

778
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:14,200
Yeah, you are not going to like
it but awesome.

779
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,400
Thanks.
Yeah, you're welcome.

780
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:20,600
But I will say, honestly, I
chose the falsehood that I did

781
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:27,600
mostly because As of the facts
that I was reading in the IMDb

782
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,100
page for Raising Arizona, there
were like six or seven different

783
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:36,400
facts, that the same person must
have gone in and entered,

784
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:39,100
because they were so weirdly
specific.

785
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:42,600
And they were things that I had
never seen on a fax page for any

786
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,600
movie before.
And I was just like, well forget

787
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:46,500
it.
We're just we're just going to

788
00:45:46,508 --> 00:45:48,900
do that.
So our with all that as a

789
00:45:48,908 --> 00:45:51,300
preface, are you ready, Bob?
Let's do it.

790
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:56,200
Man fact, Number one, the
Striking Adobe home of the

791
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,400
Arizona's was was the historic
1925 joke.

792
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,100
Aqu�� en on North Phoenician
Boulevard which is now

793
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:08,100
incorporated into the Phoenician
Resort 6000 East Camelback Road

794
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:11,200
at the foot of the Camelbak
mountains in Scottsdale Arizona.

795
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:15,200
Fact number to the gas station.
That h.

796
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,400
I likes to continuously Rob
throughout the film.

797
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,700
After Lee named.
The shortstop is now a Circle K

798
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,800
and is located at 372 North High
Street in Scottsdale Arizona.

799
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,900
Fax number three, escaped
convicts scale and Eva laughs

800
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:32,900
notes.
Set out to rob the farmers and

801
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:35,800
Mechanics Bank of LaGrange
taking with them baby Nathan

802
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,800
Junior.
The bank was actually a

803
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,500
restaurant, the now-closed Reata
past Steak House located at

804
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:49,300
2020, 7,500 North Alma School,
Parkway south from East Dynamite

805
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:52,500
Boulevard, North of Scottsdale
towards Carefree.

806
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,000
Arizona, why would why did she
do this?

807
00:46:55,500 --> 00:47:01,000
I don't know.
I don't like what kind of sick

808
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:03,200
twisted satisfaction?
Are you getting out of this?

809
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:07,000
It is like impossible for me to
know any of that.

810
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,100
Like usually with two facts in a
falsehood.

811
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:13,400
You're like, oh yeah, like Mark
Hamill during Star Wars took a

812
00:47:13,408 --> 00:47:15,500
lunch break with Alec Guinness
and they talked about Cary

813
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:18,300
Grant, and I'm like, okay, that
sounds plausible.

814
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:22,200
Like, you know, now you're like,
do you know your Scottsdale

815
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,600
landmarks?
I hope so.

816
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:30,100
Like I said, Bob, if you go.
On the IMDb page trivia page for

817
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:33,100
Raising Arizona.
There's like seven different

818
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:36,200
facts that are just that
literally have addresses in

819
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,600
them.
They're like, you know, this

820
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:42,300
place in the movie, it's now
this at this address I was like

821
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:46,500
why did somebody do this?
And then I realized this is a

822
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:48,800
grand opportunity.
Here's my took it.

823
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,600
Here's what I'm going to do.
I'm just going to say to is the

824
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,800
falsehood and I have absolutely
no reason to believe that.

825
00:47:53,800 --> 00:48:01,700
Except That I have no idea where
Circle K's Geographic Landmark

826
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,700
or Geographic footprint ends,
mmm, but I'm pretty sure

827
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:08,900
Circle-K started in Canada.
So I'm just going to say if if

828
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:12,800
it ends anywhere like Arizona
seems like a pretty good stretch

829
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,300
so I'll say to false and that
Circle.

830
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:19,400
K, doesn't stretch that far and
that's my answer Bob Circle.

831
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:24,900
K does stretch that far but you
are right that okay.

832
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,100
I am, I am racking up the moral
victories today, you sure are

833
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:32,500
man.
I'm very proud of you.

834
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:35,700
All right, dude.
So with my three wins in a row,

835
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,700
let's carry that Goodwill into
talking about these performances

836
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,900
and really Brad.
I mean, we can knock out some of

837
00:48:41,908 --> 00:48:44,100
the smaller performances.
If you want there's a, you know,

838
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:47,100
there's a great early John
Goodman role in this one.

839
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:50,500
But there's really two people we
need to touch on for sure.

840
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:53,300
And that's Holly Hunter and
Nicolas Cage and it sounds like

841
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:56,800
you really liked Holly Hunters.
Moments more than about

842
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,900
everything else in the movie and
I think we should start there.

843
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:06,200
Yeah, she was the only
believable character in this

844
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,800
entire film.
Yeah, and when I say believable,

845
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,900
I mean, even within the world of
this story, she made the most

846
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:21,400
sense to me and was true to who
her character purported itself

847
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,100
to be throughout the whole film.
And I thought Holly Hunter was

848
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,500
was really a great performance
in this.

849
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:32,100
She really anchors the whole
movie and you know, there are

850
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:35,200
scenes where she's crying and
supposed to be hysterical and

851
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,900
it's played for laughs and then
there's other scenes where it's

852
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:39,500
it's her and Nicolas Cage in the
car.

853
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:42,700
And they're having like really
quiet conversation about their

854
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:46,500
hopes and dreams or whatever.
And you just see the hurt in her

855
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:51,500
eyes as someone who can't have
children and it's like, you

856
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:54,300
know, even as a guy who thinks
this is like a perfect comedy.

857
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:56,500
It's the Performance where it's
like, man.

858
00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:59,000
I don't know if this movie
deserved this good of a

859
00:49:59,008 --> 00:50:02,000
performance like it.
She took this thing really

860
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,100
seriously, and she just knocks
it out of the park, man.

861
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:08,900
It's easy to see why she goes on
to win an Academy Award and you

862
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:11,000
know, and then becomes mrs.
Incredible.

863
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:15,500
Like that's just like the career
Capper but she's fantastic in

864
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:18,500
this movie.
Yeah, I think that like you said

865
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:24,900
what she brings is just
authenticity to the role and I

866
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:29,500
love the way that she interacts
with the people around her.

867
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:34,400
Like if anything she is like the
stand-in for me where I'm just

868
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,000
like what the f is going on
right now.

869
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,600
And why is it happening and the
moments where she like kind of

870
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:47,000
engages in the comedy and and
like, you know, at the start of

871
00:50:47,008 --> 00:50:50,800
the film, like the fact that she
agrees to marry a chili is

872
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,100
pretty ridiculous.
Yes.

873
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,900
But at that point in the film
like it because it's a montage

874
00:50:56,900 --> 00:51:00,700
with narration, you haven't seen
her as a character enough to

875
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:04,900
like realize that she's the only
sane person and so it's like,

876
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:07,000
yeah, sure.
Like this is a funny setup and

877
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:10,900
you know, I'm okay with the
idea, cop former cop former

878
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:15,900
convict, let's see what happens.
But the rest of the movie, She's

879
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:18,400
just incredible.
All right, let's talk about

880
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,600
Nicolas Cage.
I actually really like Nicolas

881
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,400
Cage in this movie because The
movie is so wild.

882
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,100
And I have seen so many Nicolas
Cage performances, especially in

883
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:31,700
the last 10 years where he finds
a gear that I didn't even

884
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:36,300
realize Nicolas Cage had like,
he is so unhinged in some movies

885
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:42,400
that I actually was surprised at
how grounded he felt in a world

886
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,100
as wild as this one.
Does that make sense?

887
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:49,900
Like it's not like the most
unhinged version of Nicolas

888
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:52,600
Cage.
Yeah, that's that's true.

889
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,200
I would agree with that same.
It is not the most unhinged

890
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,400
version of Nicolas Cage.
It is.

891
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,900
However, the most Jimmy Stewart
version of Nicolas Cage.

892
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,800
Oh, what do you mean by that?
We've ever gotten the way he

893
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,300
talks throughout the entire
film?

894
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:08,400
All I could think about was
Jimmy Stewart.

895
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:15,400
Like the the way he slurred his
words and it felt like me who is

896
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,800
not an Actor, trying to sound
like Jimmy Stewart.

897
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:21,100
Interesting.
Okay.

898
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:22,500
So what'd you think of the
performance?

899
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:26,400
It was to zany it.
Half the time.

900
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,000
He's trying to be serious and
then the other two half the time

901
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:35,600
he's just so wacky and
off-the-wall that it betrays

902
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,600
each other.
That you can't take the serious

903
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,400
stuff seriously.
And you can't take the funny

904
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:45,000
stuff with enough humor because
you don't know what he's going

905
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,500
for and I don't know if I would
put that on Nicolas Cage.

906
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:52,200
I think I would put that The
Coen brothers because that's the

907
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,900
complaint I have about so much
of the movie.

908
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:58,700
So I think I would say that.
I think cage probably did what

909
00:52:58,700 --> 00:53:03,100
they wanted but what they
wanted, wasn't very good.

910
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:06,900
All right, before we clock out
of here for the day, I just want

911
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:09,700
to say, I found this movie
hilarious and they were certain

912
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:12,000
lines in this movie to your
point like the Coen Brothers,

913
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,000
writing.
And I think I told you to watch

914
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,400
this movie with the captions on,
because I really thought that a

915
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,200
lot of Of the narration,
especially had some some lines

916
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,100
where it's like.
Once you see it printed, it's

917
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:28,200
even funnier like in the opening
monologue where they first find

918
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,900
out that she is Barren.
She can't have kids Nicolas

919
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:35,700
Cage's, character decides to
describe that by saying the

920
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:39,000
doctor explained that her
insides were a rocky place,

921
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:45,900
where my seed could find no
purchase like if that is not the

922
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:51,200
perfect encapsulation of how
weird, and Over-the-top and

923
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,900
wacky.
This movie is about to be like,

924
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,200
it didn't work for you Brad.
It worked for me.

925
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,200
I giggled my ass off throughout
this movie.

926
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:01,900
I think we should move into
final scores here, but we do

927
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:05,500
want to reiterate, we both
already picked our movie for.

928
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:08,200
Let's make it a double.
We would pair this up with.

929
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,700
It's a mad mad, mad mad world.
I think also like, I talked a

930
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:15,900
little bit about the visuals and
how their everything looks kind

931
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:19,300
of asked you in this movie and I
think that does pair up really

932
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:20,300
well.
With some of those early.

933
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:22,400
Tim Burton movies.
Like, if you wanted to just have

934
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,900
a really weird 80s movie night
you could watch this and

935
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:29,200
Beetlejuice and I feel like
those but those would line up

936
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,400
pretty well.
Brad.

937
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,600
Is there any other movie that
you could think of that you

938
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,200
would pair this up with besides
the one we already mentioned?

939
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:39,600
I've actually already used this
as a movie but it literally just

940
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,200
popped in my head so I'm going
to say it.

941
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,900
Logan lucky Mmm.
Yeah I feel like it has a little

942
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:48,100
bit of a similar Vibe partially
just you know the main

943
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:51,000
characters are a little bit as
You have said, many times

944
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:55,100
dim-witted nice.
So yeah, maybe maybe Logan

945
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:57,400
lucky.
All right, I like it.

946
00:54:57,700 --> 00:54:59,700
I think that it is time for us
to give final scores.

947
00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:02,800
I am going to give this movie a
10 out of 10 and I feel very

948
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,700
weird because I don't feel like
I have mounted any sort of

949
00:55:05,707 --> 00:55:07,700
passionate defense of this
movie.

950
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,800
But I feel so strongly that this
is a really good movie that I

951
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,000
almost don't feel like, I need
to Brad.

952
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,500
I've Loved.
I have let you speak your piece.

953
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,500
The only 10 out of 10 is not
really good.

954
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,600
Territory.
Yeah, I think it's like, a, a

955
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,500
perfectly made American Comedy.
There are very few movies that I

956
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:29,900
find to be like, as funny as
this while.

957
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:33,600
Also building a world.
You know, we talked about

958
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,000
Anchorman really briefly last
week, Anchorman is a really

959
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,400
funny movie with really quotable
lines and the whole time you're

960
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,100
watching it, you don't believe
for a second that you were in

961
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:46,000
the 1970s.
Do you know what I mean?

962
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,100
Like, it's just it's like an
extended SNL sketch where all

963
00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:51,200
the Is look fake and all the
wigs, look fake.

964
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,700
And it's like that's part of the
joke, this movie, for any of the

965
00:55:55,707 --> 00:55:57,300
drawbacks that you might see in
it.

966
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,600
Like you said, it creates a
world and you are living in that

967
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,500
world for 90 minutes.
And if it works for you, it

968
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:05,300
works really well.
And if it doesn't, it apparently

969
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:08,400
does not work at all.
It worked really well for me,

970
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,200
again, I'll say that the ending
of this movie really impacted

971
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,500
me, emotionally, I love that
closing narration where Nicolas

972
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:18,700
Cage is talking about having a
dream and, and kind of looking

973
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:20,900
forward into the future.
And seeing an old couple in his

974
00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:24,700
dream and it's so it's so
touching because he puts it so

975
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:27,800
simply and and you said this
already, he's kind of a

976
00:56:27,808 --> 00:56:29,700
simpleton.
So he puts things simply, but he

977
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:34,200
said and the old couple wasn't
screwed up and neither were

978
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,800
their kids and grandkids and I
don't know, you tell me this

979
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,300
whole dream, was it?
Wishful thinking was I just

980
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:45,800
fleeing reality.
Like I'm liable to do but me and

981
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:52,600
said we can be good too and I
just Movie works for me, and I'm

982
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:58,300
going to give it a 10 out of 10
that ending scene, deserves a

983
00:56:58,300 --> 00:57:03,500
better movie to attach it to.
I like, I was truly Blown Away

984
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:09,400
the, the monologue by Nathan
Arizona, the monologue by H, I

985
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:16,100
like genuinely was a phenomenal
ending to just a bad film.

986
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,400
And so I that literally brought
my score up one full point.

987
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:25,000
The, the ending of that movie, I
will give this movie a five

988
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,500
point five out of ten.
Wow, that is much higher than I

989
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:33,300
anticipated.
The I the adage of this, the

990
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:36,000
average of our scores is not
going to be a five.

991
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,900
I thought it'd be a five.
I will say the first thing that

992
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:44,300
tipped me off to how wrong you
were going to be was when I

993
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:47,200
like, I went on the IMDb page
for like, you know, just for

994
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,000
some reason to look something up
and I noticed I was like, oh,

995
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:57,000
this has a 7.3, like most
movies, we watch our 7.5 and up.

996
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,000
Sounds like someone three like
Bob's and talk about this, like

997
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,800
it's 10/10.
I I'm a little worried now like

998
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:10,400
this is 76 78 out of in the
yeah, sure this is 73.

999
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,100
I was like, oh, Bob's off his
rocker.

1000
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,800
You know, this movie did get
really mixed reviews when it

1001
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,100
first came out, I think there's
been a bit of a critical

1002
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:21,300
reappraisal one of my favorite
critics that you know we follow

1003
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:23,200
him on Twitter and we interact
once in a while.

1004
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:26,800
His name is Bill JB re he gave
he thinks this is the Coen

1005
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,400
brothers.
As best movie ever, he gave it a

1006
00:58:28,408 --> 00:58:30,800
10 out of 10.
And I saw that right before we

1007
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,700
hopped on tonight and I was
like, dude, we should have

1008
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:35,300
invited him on the show.
And now, I really feel like we

1009
00:58:35,308 --> 00:58:37,700
should have invited them show
because I would have had someone

1010
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:41,500
in my corner this whole time.
I know, we're at the end of the

1011
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:47,300
episode but like I actually like
what made this movie go from a

1012
00:58:47,300 --> 00:58:51,100
nine and a half to attend for
you because like that's like 10

1013
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:55,500
out of 10 is special.
I think that the ending is what

1014
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:58,500
puts it up in that eat it, you
Me, like, with comedies.

1015
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:00,500
I really struggle.
If it doesn't have anything

1016
00:59:00,500 --> 00:59:03,300
deeper to say, and I feel
sometimes like I'm unfair to

1017
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:08,000
comedies because sometimes being
silly is enough and and that's

1018
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,700
really hard for me though.
And so I thought this movie

1019
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:14,800
maintained the silliness, it it
kept itself, pretty light and

1020
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,200
Breezy, it's a really fast-paced
movie.

1021
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,000
It's a really short movie.
It knows when to get in and out

1022
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,700
and then to tack on at the end,
it gets really poignant.

1023
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:26,500
And I think it has a lot to say
about Parenthood and like,

1024
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:29,800
Raising kids in a really
messed-up world and evaluating

1025
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,400
yourself in the face of that and
trying to measure up and then

1026
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:38,000
realizing like, hey we are all
effed up in a lot of ways and we

1027
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,900
can all be good if we choose to
be.

1028
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:44,800
I just I really think that it
does exactly what a comedy is

1029
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,300
supposed to do.
When I give it a 10 out of 10.

1030
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:51,100
It doesn't mean, I think it's a
better movie than Lawrence of

1031
00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:54,300
Arabia just because I gave
Lawrence of Arabia 9 and this

1032
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:55,400
attend, do you know what I'm
saying?

1033
00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:00,300
Like, but I think this movie is
as good as a movie like, this

1034
01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:03,200
could possibly be, and that's
what makes it a 10 for me.

1035
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:08,500
Yeah, I mean, I will give you
Bill Jabari 10/10.

1036
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,800
I'm just going to put it out
there.

1037
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,800
Just just saying Roger Ebert one
and a half Stars.

1038
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,800
Yeah, he did not like this movie
so I don't think I'm in, you

1039
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:23,500
know before poor Community here.
Alright, next week we are going

1040
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:25,900
to be watching The Big Lebowski
and the reason I put the Big

1041
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:29,300
Lebowski at the end of this
miniseries is because I've only

1042
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:32,000
seen The Big Lebowski once and I
did not like it.

1043
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:36,200
I feel like about that movie the
way you felt about this movie

1044
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,500
and so I want to give it another
chance and we're bringing on an

1045
01:00:39,500 --> 01:00:41,900
author named Kathleen.
False oniy next week.

1046
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,800
She's written.
A book about the Coen Brothers,

1047
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:47,300
she is going to help me cope and
parse out this movie that I do

1048
01:00:47,300 --> 01:00:49,700
not understand.
And Brad, have you seen The Big

1049
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:51,800
Lebowski?
I have not.

1050
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,500
I know that.
What is it?

1051
01:00:53,500 --> 01:00:57,000
The dude rules?
The Dude abides the Dude abides.

1052
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,300
Sorry.
And I know that it made white

1053
01:00:59,300 --> 01:01:01,200
Russians popular.
It is the T-shirt.

1054
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,500
I know.
All right man.

1055
01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:05,000
So we'll be back next week.
We'll see if Brad likes that

1056
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,400
movie more than this one but
until then I'm Bob book, I'm

1057
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,400
Reggie and we'll see you next
time.