Raging Bull / Jack Daniel's Bonded

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In 1980 director Martin Scorsese
and star.

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Robert De Niro gave the world.
A mopey drama about a boxer who

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is in over his head everywhere
but the ring in 2022 we try the

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second of two new expressions
from America's favorite

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Distillery the film is Raging
Bull.

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The whiskey is Jack Daniels
bonded and we'll review them

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both.
This is the filmon risky

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podcast.
Fast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast, where each week, we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G.
And this week we keep the ball

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rolling with our mini series of
Martin Scorsese films with his

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1980, classic raging All Brad.
This was a movie that I will

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just say up front.
I kind of gave you a fair

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warning about and this has
happened a couple times already

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this season, where you haven't
seen the movie yet, and I've

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seen it before and I've said,
hey man, I expect this to be one

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of those episodes where Bob
comes in with a hot take.

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We've only had a few where it's
like Stone Cold Classics that

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we've both come in and been
like, yeah, I don't like this

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movie that much.
It happened with 2001.

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I mean, it very clearly happened
with you with it.

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ET.
We ruined Back to the Future for

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many people and rate both Raging
Bull and Taxi Driver were two

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movies that I could just never
really crack.

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Like I they just seemed
impenetrable to me and we re

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watch taxi driver and I loved it
and I said, all right, man, I

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don't expect to catch lightning
in a bottle twice.

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I think I'm going to still hate
this movie and I got to be

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honest, man.
I really liked this movie again.

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So, did you?
You know, I'm not coming in,

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with the hottest of takes, I
will We'll say, like, I'm not

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crazy about this movie, and I
don't think that it necessarily

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deserves quite the reputation
that it enjoys, but I think it's

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a darn good movie.
Yeah, coming into this, I was in

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a similar places, taxi driver.
I was like, man.

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Everything that you told me
about Taxi Driver, led me to

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believe that I would not like
that film and leading into

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Raging Bull.
I knew it was about Robert De

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Niro as a boxer and that he
gained a lot of Of wait, those

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are like the three things I knew
about the movie.

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Yep.
And so that didn't necessarily

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lead me to a place where I was
not pumped about watching it,

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but I wasn't pumped about
watching it.

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I don't know your warning kind
of you know, it back to me off a

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little bit and then I watched it
and I have thoughts.

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Yeah, yeah well Brad, I'm
excited to talk about those

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thoughts and I didn't mean to
like, jump in with evaluative

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comments on the movie.
So soon, in our podcast, because

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I think a lot of people might
know where we're going.

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Already, you're just coming out
swinging just like, Jake

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LaMotta, I need to learn how to
bury the lead a little bit here.

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So why don't we do this Brad?
Let's let's do a very early,

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Brad explains and as we
transition into Brad explains

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All right, it's time for Brad

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explains.
This is the part of the podcast,

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where Brad breaks down the plot
of the film that he has just

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seen often.
For the first time and Brad, I

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know, this was your first time
seeing Raging Bull.

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Mmm.
Sure was.

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So before we even give any
background about the movie, I

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feel like we should just go
ahead and get Brad's take, not

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your take on the movie, Brad
summary of the film out of the

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way, because a lot of times, I
feel like your true feelings

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kind of creep into Brad,
explains a little bit and I'm

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excited to hear how you might
spice things up with some hot

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takes.
So Brad, you have 60 seconds on

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the clock.
Can you break down the plot of

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Raging Bull?
Raging Bull is a film about a

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boxer named Jake LaMotta?
Who has just the wildest of

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childhood traumas that we don't
see?

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And the entire movie is about
him being insecure and unable to

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come to terms with his
relationships.

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As soon as I think that the core
of it, if I want to play what is

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Tommy was oh, call it Junior
psychologist.

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If I was a boy, Junior
psychologist, I would say that

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for some reason, Jack Jake
LaMotta hates himself, and he

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thinks that everything he
touches is destroyed and that is

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the truth throughout the movie.
He destroys everyone in the ring

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that he fights, and he destroys
everyone in the ring.

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That is a part of his out of the
ring.

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That is a part of his life.
Hmm, the end.

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Yeah.
I mean it's a very tragic movie

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like it's bro.
I was like the whole movie.

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I'm like, man, this is just not
working for me and I was like,

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there's no way escorted by the
time we got like an hour and a

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half in.
I was like there's no way

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Scorsese can pull this off.
Like there's only like 30

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minutes left and then they put
him in the isolation chamber and

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when he like representative Lee
when he is literally and Dave

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Lee all alone?
No one is left in his Corner.

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If you will, his true feelings
come out and he's weeping as he

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beats the wall saying like that.
He's like I hate you.

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I hate you talking about himself
and at that moment I was like oh

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this is but like I almost
started crying.

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Yeah.
And he got me, he got me.

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Do you sort of like Tia pulled
it off you, you were the Jeff

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Goldblum you crazy, son.
You did it?

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Yes, Brad.
There's a lot of directions.

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We can take this episode and any
angle that we start talking

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about this movie from.
There's a lot of Juicy tidbits

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to talk about.
Like, if you want to dive in on

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Scorsese, there's a lot of
backstory we can go into because

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this comes out at a very
tumultuous time.

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In scorsese's, life, all sorts
of cocaine use.

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Lots of cocaine, we could talk
about De Niro and and what this

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role and this performance Means
in the history of Cinema,

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there's just so much kind of
Rich backstory to this movie,

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that is in a lot of ways, almost
more important than the movie

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itself.
And so I'm going to leave it up

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to you.
Where do you want to start with

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this episode?
Honestly, at this point, I

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literally knew almost nothing
about Raging Bull.

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I like, if I represent the every
man on this podcast then like, I

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guess I would be curious to hear
some of the History behind the

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the movie, some of the impact
that it had on Cinema.

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And I think we can, as we do
that, we will talk about the

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main performance.
There's probably three

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performances that matter between
Pesci, Moriarty and DeNiro.

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But I think we can talk about
those as we talk about the

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impact because if I'm being
frank, as I did a little bit of

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research for two facts in the
falsehood, it seems like people

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treat this movie in like Citizen
Kane, dirt Yeah for sure.

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And so I was flabbergasted to
read that because I would have

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like just being a person who
watches movies casually.

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I had, I'd never really heard of
it so hit, so Hit Me with it.

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What makes this movie so daggone
important, Robert?

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Well, Brad, if there's anything
that I've learned from studying

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as many screenplays as we have
like, we need a good framing

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device.
So maybe the best way to

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approach this is like let's lay
out on the Table what this

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movie's Legacy is and how it's
regarded and then I think we can

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spend some time kind of
dissecting and parsing out if it

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deserves that reputation.
So, this movie comes out in,

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1980 the 80s as we know or a
decade of movies that are just

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kind of filled with big action,
violent, Just Popcorn, movies

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that don't have a lot of depth.
If I'm, if I can characterize a

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Whole Decade like that.
And so, by the end of the

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decade, many a many, many
critics point back to Raging

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Bull, as kind of the only film
that still represented.

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What they loved about Cinema
from the 70s.

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And so, even by the end of the
1980s Raging Bull, had, really

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achieved classic status and it
grew and grew and grew in

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stature, especially among
directors, directors love this

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movie.
And by the time you get to the

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American Film institute's, top
100 list, the first one comes

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out in 1998, Raging Bull, I
think cracks the top 25 in that

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list and then They redo it in
2007 for a 10th anniversary and

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Raging Bull is named.
The number for movie of all

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time.
Like, it's ahead of Lawrence of

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Arabia.
It is right behind Casablanca,

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The Godfather and Citizen Kane.
And I remember thinking like,

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well that's that's a big move
that really moved up quite a

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ways.
That's a bold strategy cotton

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and part of it is because when
you look at like the voting body

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of the AFI at that point, they
were really going.

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All in on appreciating 1970s
Cinema, what we call the new

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Hollywood.
And we've, we talked about that

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a little bit with Scorsese and
Coppola and dipalma, and

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Spielberg, and Lucas to some
extent.

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But, you know, celebrating this
kind of independent spirit that

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had risen up in Hollywood and
this was like the Pinnacle of

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that to them.
And so you have a movie that is

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just really widely regarded by
Cinema people and yet like I'm

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on Twitter way more than I
should be Brad.

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People that I follow on Twitter
or almost all film critics now

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and Raging Bull doesn't really
seem to move the needle the way

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that it did even 15 years ago
when that list was made.

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Like, I think, if we redid that
list Raging Bull would still be

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very highly regarded, probably
still in the top 25, but I

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would, I'd be shocked if Taxi
Driver didn't move up farther,

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if Goodfellas didn't move up
farther, it just seems like a

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movie that people agreed was
incredible.

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And then we never talked about
it again, once again.

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Got kind of canonized as the
number four film.

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Yeah, it's amazing how there's
certain like arguments and

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debates.
That will just permeate human

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history and any debates around
like greatest of all time status

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or even like top five seem to
just percolate forever in The

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Souls of anyone who's passionate
about anything.

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And so it's amazing to me that
we haven't had another AFI top

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100 movie list.
Up since 2007.

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Yeah.
Like that seems.

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It seems like a really long
time.

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Bob, I completely agree.
I think that part of the reason

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this movie is so high up though
is that when you start talking

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about what's the greatest movie
in American history, you start

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kind of getting into the
territory of what movie tells

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quote unquote, like the Great
American story and in that

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regard I understand why Citizen
Kane is always number one.

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I understand why Raging Bull is
top five because cuz this is a

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very Citizen Kane type story.
It's just about like a big

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brutish guy from the Bronx
instead of about a newspaper

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magnate and it really does
embody that sort of tragedy that

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we really love reading in our
American literature.

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So like, you know, from that
point of view, I understand it.

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But Brad, I just even as a guy
who likes this movie, now, I'm

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truly shocks that it's
considered top five ever.

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Yeah.
I mean it definitely has It's

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almost like the anti American
Dream story because it's the

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story of a man who truly like
pulls himself up by his own

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bootstraps, but to his own
detriment.

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Like, if anything, like, I don't
think I'm being controversial by

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saying that modern Americans on
the whole don't really like

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America ton.
This just feels like an early

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version of that critiquing like
one of the big American Myth.

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Illogical stories that we told
for a very long time, as a

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country about, you know,
bringing yourself up out of

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nothing.
The rags to riches like he does

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that, but it destroys him in the
process.

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Yeah, I mean, there's so many
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this movie two other movies,
Citizen Kane, being one of them.

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I think the Godfather is another
one where it's it's this really

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tragic sort of Arc and yet Brad.
It sounds like Raging Bull

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didn't quite do it for you in
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Citizen Kane did.
So, let's kind of dive in a

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little bit on what worked for
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What didn't work for you about
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Joe Pesci works for me.
Holy crap, is he amazing in

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this?
I don't know who he was up

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against for best supporting
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But oh my gosh, did he deserve
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And while we're at it, Cathy
Moriarty probably deserved it

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for best supporting actress as
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Yep.
Like the three of them De Niro

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Moriarty and Ah, she were
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The crazy thing about Pesci's
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explaining his performance
because De Niro is, is so I

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don't want to over the top, but
he takes up so much bandwidth in

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that cast because he has the
prosthetic nose.

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He's doing the, you know, the
method acting, he's chewing

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scenery in some scenes.
And Pesci's character is not

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like underplayed.
Like, he's very much, the

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loudest guy in this movie and
everything he does, is that

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forget about it, like he's just
doing it.

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Talion guy in New York and yet
there are many many scenes where

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he is under playing, and he is
the most subtle performance in

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the movie.
And it really is a thing of

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beauty.
How in those scenes, where De

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Niro is kind of reserved, or
even like mulling over his

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thoughts and his suspicions, and
You can see Pesci starting to

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understand like what's what?
He's being suspected of and then

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he gets angry watching those to
bounce off of each other.

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It really is a dance that you're
watching these two actors

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perform and man Pesci's so good
in everything he does.

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He was so good in the Irishman
just a couple years ago doing

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this same thing where he was
under playing a lot but I still

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don't think he gets the credit
he deserves.

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It is.
I mean like it was a

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breathtaking performance from
Joe Pesci.

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Did the way that he called
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of the film, man.
And like, na people talk about

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how De Niro gained, 60 pounds
for this, which is nuts, but

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Pesci, very clearly lost.
Probably like 20 pounds.

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Mmm to get down as skinny as he
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Like, he, he looked very skinny.
And, dude, the way he plays that

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off, the pity that he has for
Jake who he used to, like, look

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up to as this prize fighter.
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Oh dude it just hurts.
It hurts so bad man.

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I want to just jump out of
performances and talk about that

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ending sequence for a minute.
So, you know, it culminates the

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movie kind of drops you in at
the beginning, in the middle of

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lamotte has Chase for the title
and you start to slowly learn

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more and more about him outside
the ring that he's I mean for

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lack of a better term, he's just
ask he's mean to everyone and he

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there is no satisfying him he is
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Of things and he's going to be
distrustful of everyone in a

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circle and it finally comes to a
head when his second wife played

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by Kathy Moriarty you know, in a
moment of rage, just kind of

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tells him what he wants to hear
and says like yeah, I slept with

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your brother.
I slept with everybody on the

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Block and says it just to get
him angry and he goes over to

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his brother's house and he'd
beat him to a pulp and his wife

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chases him there and he just
sucker punches her in the face,

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knocks her out cold and it's I
mean, talk about a sucker punch

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of a scene like he hits her in
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And I'd like immediately, I was
like, oh my God, like, the way

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they filmed that, the, the vist
way, the way the way that she

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drops.
Yeah, man.

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But even like the visceral way
they film it from when he's like

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choking out Pesci's character
and then it's it's almost

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immediate.
You see his last fight that he

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gets demolished in and then it
cuts forward, a few years and

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he's gained so much weight and
it cuts forward, a few more

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years and he's you know, this
sleazy guy.

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That's a club.
Her it cuts forward, a few more

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years, and he's back in New York
and down on his luck again.

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And the whole last, you know,
25, 30 minutes of the movie, is

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like this very extended epilogue
to the Jake LaMotta story.

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And I think that if you don't
like this movie, then that that

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extended epilogue can kind of
feel like a totally different

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film.
But I think you really need all

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that to kind of explain
everything you saw before or to

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like give Jour to to justify
what you watched before.

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I thought that was the strongest
part of the whole movie.

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Brad, like watching his life,
take on the sort of like a Greek

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tragedy was the best part of the
movie.

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Yeah.
You see that he is gifted with

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Incredible physical prowess but
he never tries to develop the

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relational IQ skills.
He needs to get by in life to

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match.
And I think that the the like

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you said, the final 25, Minutes
of the movie, 100%, just give

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you what he deserves.
And I think I would agree with

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you and I think that's a really
strong point of the movie.

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Yeah, I mean, like, it's almost
Shakespearean, right?

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Like it's I just watched a few
months ago they made a new

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version of Macbeth with Denzel
Washington as Macbeth and

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Frances.
Mcdorman is Lady Macbeth.

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It was directed by Joel and
Ethan Coen, and it was really

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good.
But there's something about when

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you watch a Shakespeare tragedy
happen, there is always a moment

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of no return and then everything
starts to go downhill and you're

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just watching the inevitability
of those choices play out.

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And this really does kind of
take on that almost

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Shakespearean thing.
But the thing that always blows

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my mind is that they make this
movie very much while LaMotta is

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still alive, like LaMotta was a
consultant on the film Pesci,

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followed him, or her Pesci
DeNiro, followed him around to

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get, you know, cues as to how to
play the character.

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And apparently it wasn't until
seeing the That LaMotta, finally

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realized, how horrible of a
person he had been.

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And he went and talked to his
ex-wife and asked her like was I

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really that bad.
And she said, no, you were

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worse, but it always blows my
mind when they make a movie like

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this about somebody's life, that
is clearly not flattering.

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Like, I have to imagine that De
Niro and Scorsese.

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You kind of slept with one eye
open for a little while like

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fearing that this guy was going
to come after them because they

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paid him in the most
unflattering light possible.

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Well, and I read that the
Brother played by Pesci actually

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sued, you know, I think it was
Universal Pictures that put it

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out.
Yeah, as United Artists.

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Yeah, United Artists for like, I
don't know if it was like liable

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or, you know, whatever it was,
basically, he said that they

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were slandering his character
for the way that he was

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portrayed by Joe Pesci, which is
so weird.

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So she's like the hero of the
movie 100%.

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Yeah, he is the hero of the film
other than the black and Use of

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black and white, obviously, for
sure of the fit, for sure.

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So, talking about his brother,
to De Niro had been kicking

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around the idea of doing this
movie for years and years and

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years, trying to get Scorsese to
make it Scorsese kept saying no,

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especially because he was never
a sports fan.

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Boxing was never compelling to
him.

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He couldn't visualize it and he
had a friend.

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Take a crack at a screenplay.
He liked parts of it, but it was

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real conventional and
eventually.

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Robert De Niro says.
Let's ask Paul Schrader to take

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a pass at this.
And so Schrader comes in, and

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does his like, unhinged thing,
where he's like, adding weird

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sexual subtext to everything and
in doing research, Schrader

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finds out.
Oh, LaMotta had a brother and

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apparently LaMotta, like just
doesn't really mention his

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brother in his autobiography
because they were on the outs

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with each other and in
researching the way that, you

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know, the Joe Pesci character in
real life was also a fighter

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was, apparently, the better
looking of the two and that

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fueled a lot of the jealousy
from LaMotta.

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Schrader was like, I've got my
movie now.

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I know how we can make this into
a movie and that's kind of where

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the whole thing took off from.
Yeah, because the the

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relationship between he and Joey
is is the Crux of the film like

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he's the only one that's able to
get underneath, you know, Jake's

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skin a little bit.
And and I mean that in like a

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healthy way like he's the only
one that's able to get past his

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defenses.
And yet even him by the end of

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the film, has been beaten out of
Jake LaMotta is like, yeah, for

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sure.
And that, and that like, I don't

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know, man, Pesci's performance,
just illustrates that.

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So perfectly the very last scene
in the movie where, you know, De

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Niro's back in New York and he's
apparently trying to sell

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himself as I'm going to do,
monologues on stage because

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people will want to pay to see
me do that and he's practicing

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in the mirror and he's doing
Brando's monologue from on the

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waterfront, a movie we've done
on this podcast.

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Fast.
And he's so bad like he's just

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he's such a bad performer.
But it's such a brilliant,

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little touch and apparently they
were gonna have him recite

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Shakespeare at one point and
Scorsese had given the script to

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another director friend of his
and the guy said like you can't

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have him do Shakespeare at the
end.

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It's just it's above him.
Like he wouldn't understand how

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to even go about understanding
Shakespeare and so De Niro said,

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hey let's make him do on the
waterfront because that would be

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something that's kind of in his
world.

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He would have known that.
Movie and that scene comes

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right, after Pesci, blows him
off.

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And says, like, yeah, I'll call
you later.

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And you never see Pesci.
Call, I mean, you know, he's

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never going to and it cuts right
to him.

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Rehearsing this speech in the
mirror, where he is playing

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Brando, who's talking to his
older brother, Charlie in that

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movie and saying like, you sold
me out, you, I looked up to you

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and you betrayed me and you can
tell that as De Niro's character

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as LaMotta is practicing it in
the mirror.

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The irony is completely lost on
him.

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He doesn't understand that.
This is exactly what he did to

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his own brother, even after he's
been confronted with it, it is,

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it's such a brilliant, little
touch to have this guy who you

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think has learned his lesson,
then, recite this scene, which

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lays bare everything he's done
to his brother.

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And like, it doesn't make any
connection with him at all.

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He is utterly self-absorbed?
Yeah.

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Like, whether whether it's in
his hatred of himself, or His

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posturing and his puffing up of
himself like he literally cannot

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see past the tip of his massive
prosthetic nose.

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All right.
But listen, man, that knows in

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some scenes is like, alright,
cool.

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I get it.
And then another seat that's

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like, wow, that is one of the
worst worst Prosthetics I've

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ever seen in my life.
Oh man, it's bad.

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It is there's an episode of
SpongeBob where SpongeBob

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carves?
Like Michelangelo's David out of

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marble.
But Squidward is his art teacher

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and he thinks he needs to
impress Squidward.

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And so he makes this really
crude like knows that looks like

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Squidward's nose and he just
like puts it on them on the

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David's face and reminds me like
I did just seems like some days,

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the makeup artist just kind of
threw a glob of clay at De Niro

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face, and they were like, that's
your nose for today.

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Go with it.
Like, can you make it look like

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the mound that that Richard
Dreyfuss makes and close

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encounters?
Just put that on his face.

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All right, man, let's talk about
Cathy Moriarty for a minute.

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She's 18 years old when she
makes this movie Brad.

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And she plays, she plays the
span of probably, what, like, 15

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years across this movie.
Yeah, she is utterly incredible

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and part of what makes her so
incredible.

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Is that she is such an
unseasoned actress that she's

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really just behaving.
And I hate to bring like my

443
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,800
personal experience into this.
But like I went to Catholic

444
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,600
school and I feel like in every
Catholic school there is there a

445
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,900
number Our of a tropes that
exist.

446
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,900
And one of them is like the
Husky voiced, Catholic school,

447
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:36,100
girl, who becomes wise about the
ways of the world years before,

448
00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:38,800
she probably should.
And what are you talking about?

449
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,100
And her character just reminded
me of that.

450
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:45,000
So like so heavily that I was
like, Wow, either you

451
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,700
experienced this in Life, or you
really knew a bunch of people

452
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:52,300
that did because like, she is
just when they're like, she's 15

453
00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:55,600
years old.
I was like, I know she's not. 15

454
00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:59,200
but also she reminds me of some
of those girls that at the end

455
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,500
of my experience at Catholic
school I was like, oh yeah, I

456
00:26:01,508 --> 00:26:04,600
like your the world's gonna hit
you hard sister you know and it

457
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,600
just a couple of years and to
see her go it's going to be in

458
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:13,800
the form of Robert De Niro's
fish and to see her go from that

459
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,900
to, you know, the end of their
relationship together where she

460
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:19,200
is ostensibly like in her late
20s.

461
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,100
Early 30s.
She plays that character with so

462
00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:23,900
much rage.
Like it's pretty incredible.

463
00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:27,100
Yeah, I thought She was
stunningly good in the movie.

464
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:31,100
I mean they she's a little bit
of a one-note character.

465
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:36,000
Like there's only a few times
where she really gets like up in

466
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,900
arms about what Jake is doing
for the most part, she plays it

467
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:44,700
really cool calm collected but I
thought her performance was

468
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:48,700
really, really beautiful.
She the way that she challenges

469
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:52,700
Jake from the very beginning and
like is able to like keep an

470
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:57,400
emotional distance from him.
Is really just it's a great

471
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,300
character and a great
performance.

472
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,100
All right, let's let's have the
DeNiro conversation because I

473
00:27:03,108 --> 00:27:06,700
think two things can be true at
once and this is an incredible

474
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:11,000
performance, like it is layered.
It is nuanced, it gets more

475
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,500
complex as the movie goes on,
which is what you want it to do.

476
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:17,100
As this character starts to
understand things about himself

477
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:21,100
and grapple with them.
And it is also one of the like

478
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:26,100
showiest performances of all
time And and and again, that

479
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:28,700
doesn't always mean that he's
out here chewing scenery and

480
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:30,300
giving like a big broad
performance.

481
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:34,900
It's very subtle at times but
this is kind of the Pinnacle of

482
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,400
people falling all over
themselves to reward method

483
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,600
acting.
You know, it starts with Brando,

484
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,700
ushering, it into Hollywood, and
Montgomery Clift.

485
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:48,000
And some of those guys and it
kind of regains popularity with

486
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,100
this new wave of actors in the
70s, with your Dustin Hoffman's,

487
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:52,900
and your Pacino's and your De
Niro's.

488
00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:56,900
And it gets to this point where
De Niro gets an incredible shape

489
00:27:56,900 --> 00:28:00,000
to be a real fighter.
And then takes a couple months

490
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,600
off gained 60 pounds to play
like this, you know, fat

491
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:09,200
40-something now, and he wins
the Oscar, like, it's held up as

492
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,200
a pinnacle of acting in cinema
people go into acting because of

493
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,800
this performance, like it's
just, it has that sort of Legend

494
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,900
behind it, but I think it also
is one that you can really point

495
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,700
to as everything.
That's Good and everything.

496
00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:26,800
That's really bad about method
acting.

497
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,300
Yeah.
Bob and it's interesting because

498
00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:34,300
when you look at the the history
of method acting, it does not

499
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:39,500
feel like it has been in a good
place since like, I guess I

500
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:42,800
don't know much about any method
actors in like the 90s and early

501
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,100
2000s, but it feels like over
the last 10 years.

502
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:50,000
The acting world has like pretty
unanimously, like come out and

503
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,300
been like, no, like the only
time you're a Method actor is

504
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:57,800
when you're playing like an, a
hole in a movie like nobody

505
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,200
method.
Acts mr.

506
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,500
Rogers, right?
And so, it's like, you know, I

507
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:06,600
mean, who knows maybe Tom Hanks,
does his whole life has just

508
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,400
been method acting as mr.
Rogers but like, you only ever

509
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,300
method act when you're playing
like a wounded hateful person,

510
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:17,200
right?
And so at a certain point, I

511
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,000
think the acting community and
you can correct me if I'm wrong.

512
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,100
So you know, a lot more than I
do, it feels like they're pretty

513
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:26,400
much Now, like method acting
needs to go the way the

514
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,100
dinosaurs.
Yeah, I mean, like the most

515
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:31,600
popular one.
Now, the most famous one now is

516
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,500
Daniel Day-Lewis, who does it
in.

517
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,000
There Will Be Blood and wins an
Oscar and then does it again as

518
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,700
Lincoln and wins an oscar.
But, you know, even a couple

519
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:41,600
weeks ago, I was reading,
something about how so many

520
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,800
actors misinterpret, how to be a
method actor, when it comes to

521
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,200
being on set, like yes, you get
into the character and yes

522
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:51,700
Daniel Day-Lewis never breaks
character but like in between

523
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:55,900
takes as Daniel Plainview View
like he wasn't berating the cast

524
00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:58,200
and crew.
And I'm like, he just kind of

525
00:29:58,208 --> 00:30:01,600
asks you about your day in a
weird voice and, you know, kills

526
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,500
time as Daniel Plainview.
And so if you're I feel like he

527
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:09,000
just be walking around with a
bowling pin spattered with like

528
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,800
stage blood and like staggering
muttering about milkshakes.

529
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:19,200
Yeah but yeah, so I think when I
say that it embodies the worst

530
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,300
of method acting to it gets back
to this movie script and kind of

531
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:23,800
Fame.
SLI.

532
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,200
A lot of people have always said
this movie didn't really have a

533
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,600
script because it had some, some
first drafts and then it had

534
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,400
Schrader's passed at a script,
which featured some very

535
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,100
scandalous, things that didn't
make it into the movie De Niro,

536
00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:40,600
and Scorsese, go off for a week
to kind of pound out the final

537
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,000
version of this script together
and Scorsese says, like I've got

538
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,400
the script handwritten on yellow
legal pad still to this day, but

539
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,100
for the most part, they came up
with the movie but so much of

540
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:55,300
this movie is improvised and You
can tell that it's improvised

541
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,900
and I think that's still my
biggest problem with this movie

542
00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:01,900
is that, especially in the first
45, ish minutes of the movie,

543
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,100
there's really no rhythm and
there's really no flow to what's

544
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:08,700
happening.
And as different characters get

545
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,100
introduced, you can't really
tell who's going to be important

546
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:15,600
to the story and who's not and
it really just felt like, it

547
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,200
felt kind of masturbatory.
It felt like Scorsese and De

548
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,800
Niro, kind of showing off what
they could do with the camera

549
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,100
and with their In chops
respectively, and so many scenes

550
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:29,600
go on for so long.
And so many people just keep

551
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,700
saying, like egg, put the stake
here.

552
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,100
Put it, what are you gonna do
with my steak?

553
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:38,500
It goes on forever.
And I think that, like, that's

554
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:42,800
my big problem with rolls like
this, is it calls so much

555
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,600
attention to itself that you
respect it, and it's still

556
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,000
really good, but it's almost
more of a begrudging respect

557
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,400
than anything.
Yeah, I think that Schoonmaker.

558
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:58,300
Who receives the Oscar for her
editing of the fight scenes in

559
00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:01,400
this movie and I think
deservedly so they're very

560
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,200
jarring and almost like
psychedelic scenes that you

561
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,800
don't normally see in boxing
movies.

562
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,600
However she did not win an Oscar
for the editing of the rest of

563
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,600
the film.
And the I think I read somewhere

564
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,000
that the boxing scenes took up
ten minutes of the it's like an

565
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,700
hour and 15 minute movie.
So clearly, I am not a huge fan

566
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:31,200
of the editing in this movie,
outside of the boxing scenes

567
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,200
because of what you just said.
It feels like Scorsese was just

568
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,100
kind of like a let's just point
the camera at him and see what

569
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:40,700
happens.
And I think that what you were

570
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:44,600
talking about the script is so
important because everything I

571
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,900
read about this film is that De
Niro literally just immersed

572
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:52,300
himself in the role the same way
he did for taxi driver, right?

573
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:56,000
Like he spent a month as a See
driver New York in this movie.

574
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,200
He trained as a prize fighter
and he actually entered three

575
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,200
boxing matches in New York City
and apparently he won two of

576
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200
them.
So, like he threw himself into

577
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,600
the role so deeply, that it felt
like each scene just kind of had

578
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,700
a general blocking notes of
like, hey, this is kind of the

579
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:18,300
goal of this scene, this is
where you should be, just go be

580
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:21,100
Jake LaMotta and that's what he
did.

581
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:26,600
He was just Jake LaMotta in in
every scene but the the movie

582
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,900
just felt like it was just
Meandering around and just took

583
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:35,900
forever to get anywhere.
Yeah, and I just really

584
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:39,600
struggled with that man.
So I definitely have different

585
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,800
thoughts on the movie than you
do.

586
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,700
I think it really picks up in
the second half of the film, but

587
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:46,000
we can hash that out when we
come back from break because

588
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,200
it's time for us to try Jack,
Daniels, bonded, what do you

589
00:33:49,208 --> 00:33:52,000
say, Brad?
I think when we get back from

590
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,200
the break, we're gonna talk like
we The entire time and that's

591
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,100
offensive and we're not going to
do it.

592
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:06,400
Let's get to it.
Bob Alright, today we are

593
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,300
checking out Jack.
Daniels bonded.

594
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,900
This is a new release from Jack
Daniels and it came out at the

595
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:15,699
same time as last week's
product, the triple MASH, which

596
00:34:15,699 --> 00:34:17,800
is to say, it's just been
released in the last couple

597
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,800
months and shockingly, this is a
completely new product for Jack

598
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,199
Daniels, like they have never
done this before.

599
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:29,600
And it really blows my mind that
a corporation as big as Jack

600
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,800
Daniels producing some of the
most popular whiskey of all time

601
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:36,000
has never thought, like, Let's
do it.

602
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Bottled in bond version of this
and if what you're doing is

603
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,900
working, I guess, man.
It's the Jack, Daniels is the

604
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:45,900
Woody Hayes of the whiskey
world.

605
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:49,699
That's not so there, I don't
have a lot of, like, background

606
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:51,600
info on this.
This is the first time they've

607
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,199
done a bottled in Bond.
As we know it is Tennessee,

608
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,500
whiskey.
It's not bourbon because of the

609
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:59,700
process that Tennessee whiskey
goes through after it comes off

610
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:01,700
the still before it goes into
the barrel.

611
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,800
They let it drip through
charcoal filters because they

612
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,600
say that.
That really Mellows and Smooths

613
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,300
it out.
It is the same Mash bill as

614
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:13,200
regular Jack Daniels, which is
80% corn.

615
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,100
I believe it's 12%, barley and
then eight percent rise.

616
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:21,800
So it's a real low-rise whiskey
aged for, at least four years,

617
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,900
and that's pretty much all you
need to know, man, it's a

618
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:27,200
four-year 100-proof, Jack
Daniels.

619
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,000
Bob, I'm really pumped that you
mention the barley there because

620
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,900
I did not know the mash bill
when I took my notes on this.

621
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:39,700
But when I got into my nosing
notes, but the the main thing I

622
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:44,300
said I was like, there's like a
lot of really nice barley notes

623
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:45,300
on this.
Hmm.

624
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,600
And I wrote barley ask because I
wasn't sure if there is barley

625
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,400
in it and I don't want to sound
dumb if there wasn't, but I'm

626
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,600
going to change it.
There's barley on the Note.

627
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,600
Hey, there you go.
But yeah, there's barley.

628
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,600
There's Apple, there's caramel
and there's Oak and it's a

629
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,600
really nice pleasant knows.
It definitely is.

630
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,500
It does hurt.
Find me a little bit of a

631
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:08,000
product.
We had just a few weeks ago,

632
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,500
called laws bonded malt, which
was a 100% malt whiskey.

633
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:16,700
Yep, there's something about.
When you use malt in bourbon or,

634
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:18,000
you know, a bourbon type
whiskey.

635
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,600
Like this, that it contributes
like wheat wheat whiskies.

636
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,300
And we did.
Bourbons always remind me of

637
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:29,100
cola, multi bourbons and, and,
you know, High corn Whiskey's,

638
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:31,900
always remind me of like double
bubble bubble gum.

639
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:36,900
It has this real kind of Dusty,
That like bubblegum medicine

640
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:40,000
that you had when you were a kid
and it's really, really nice.

641
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,500
I just don't know why it always
takes on that character for me.

642
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,600
But I'm getting that in Spades
here man.

643
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,300
I really like this a lot.
Super inviting really Pleasant.

644
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:52,100
There's not a lot of ethanol on
the nose and I'm digging that it

645
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:55,100
seems like it's going to be a
really smooth easy drinking

646
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:56,900
experience.
I'm going to give it an 8 out of

647
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:59,400
10 on the nose.
I think I'll give it a seven and

648
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,100
a half, but when I get into the
taste here once again I get a

649
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:09,500
lot of Apple Oil almost like a,
like a sweeter green apple on

650
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:12,900
the tip of my tongue and then
like, mid the back palette,

651
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:16,300
there's all sorts of like, like
I don't know, like a stone

652
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:19,800
fruit, maybe like a plum, no
going on.

653
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:25,400
That is it's really dark and
refreshing and I really like it

654
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,300
a lot.
I'm actually going to jump up

655
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:29,200
and give it an 8 out of 10 on
the taste.

656
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,400
I think I'm going to come down
just a little bit on taste and

657
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,400
it's because I don't think that
there's a lot of complexity

658
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,200
going on.
Here it has some very Standard

659
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,200
kind of mid-shelf bourbon notes,
like it reminds me a lot of an

660
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,600
Elijah Craig or you know, insert
thirty dollar bourbon here.

661
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,900
You're right.
You're right in that.

662
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:49,900
It has a lot of Apple notes on
the front, I do get quite a bit

663
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:53,000
of that bubble gum note as well
and there's a ton of black

664
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,100
pepper on this.
For me.

665
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:58,400
It's real spicy and I like it
but it's just kind of like yeah.

666
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:02,200
This tastes like what I would
expect a very good thirty dollar

667
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,000
whiskey to taste like and there
is nothing wrong with that.

668
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:08,900
But compared even to last week's
triple Mash, this just doesn't

669
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:11,700
have a lot going on on the
pallet so I'm going to give it a

670
00:38:11,707 --> 00:38:14,300
seven and a half out of ten.
Yeah and then we get into the

671
00:38:14,308 --> 00:38:17,000
Finish there's some really nice
fruit notes.

672
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,700
I think it's that Plum that kind
of lingers for a while with a

673
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:23,400
little bit of Oak and a little
bit of like a baking spice for

674
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,900
me.
I think I'm getting into that

675
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:30,000
peppery territory, but it lacks
a little bit of a punch.

676
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,400
So I'm going to come down a
little bit and give it a 7 out

677
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,500
of 10 on the finish.
This is really nice.

678
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:36,600
It's mouth-watering.
Ring, there's not a lot of

679
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,000
ethanol burn on this for being
100 proof.

680
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,000
That the alcohol hits you like
right before you go to swallow

681
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,000
and then after you swallow, you
get almost a kind of cola

682
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,000
aftertaste for me.
I'm not getting any of the fruit

683
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,000
you're talking about.
And I was really trying to go

684
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,000
through, like, a catalog of
fruits.

685
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,900
I'm like, is it melon know?
Is it pineapple know?

686
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:58,200
Is, you know, is it that Plum
stone fruit that you're talking

687
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,700
about?
I'm not really getting any of

688
00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:01,800
that.
It's just kind of a standard

689
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,300
Cola taste on the Finish.
Very pleasant, but just not not

690
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:09,700
very complex.
So I'll give it a 7 out of 10 on

691
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:12,800
the Finish.
Yeah, and our balance score, I

692
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,300
think it's going to sit at a 7
for me, that like, this is not a

693
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:20,400
very complex whiskey.
But it has some nice notes that

694
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,100
are consistent throughout.
It's a decently balanced,

695
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:25,200
whiskey.
I'll give it a 7.

696
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:27,700
I'm not even going to add
anything to what you said.

697
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:30,400
I'll give it a seven and a half.
I really like this.

698
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,600
And I think at the price point,
which we'll talk about in a

699
00:39:32,607 --> 00:39:34,800
moment.
It's a very good whiskey.

700
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,500
But it's kind of just like, hey,
I can pull this down off the

701
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:41,100
shelf and be satisfied with it
at any time.

702
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:45,800
And I will not be any more than
satisfied with it, but I think

703
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,000
there's a place for that, so I'm
going to give it a seven and a

704
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,300
half on balance, and now we're
getting into value.

705
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:55,000
So this and remember we're
losing 50 ml here.

706
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,700
A 700 mL.
Poor of this will be 33 dollars

707
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:04,600
in the wonderful state of Ohio.
Yep, I don't know.

708
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,100
Bobby.
Like this is a really

709
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:10,700
interesting poor that I enjoy,
but it's not like crazy

710
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:14,400
impressionable.
I think it's a decent value at

711
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,200
$33 though.
I don't know.

712
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,300
Where are you at?
Well, I think and I don't know

713
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:21,700
if it's Jack Daniels or if it's
Ohio, that's trying to kind of

714
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:27,400
manufacture scarcity for this.
But the MSRP is 2999 so they're

715
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,000
marking it up, you know, ten
percent more than they should

716
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,400
basically, in Ohio.
And if you do the math at a

717
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,200
thirty dollar price point, if
You made this into a 750

718
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:40,000
milliliter bottle, it would be
32, and some change.

719
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:44,600
So let you know if we're going
on manufacturers price.

720
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,700
I really don't think this is a
bad value at all.

721
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,600
And even with the state of Ohio
at 33, I don't think it's a bad

722
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,000
value.
I'm assuming that outside of

723
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,700
Ohio, more people can get it at
the price that it's supposed to

724
00:40:54,707 --> 00:40:56,900
be sold.
So I'm going to go into this

725
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,200
with the 30 dollar price tag in
mind.

726
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:01,400
I'm gonna give it a seven and a
half out of ten.

727
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:04,900
I think this is worth 30 bucks.
It's a really good whiskey, like

728
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:08,900
I I said, it's nothing more than
a whiskey that will satisfy you

729
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:11,200
but it will satisfy you all the
time.

730
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:15,200
And like sometimes it's really
nice to know that you've got a

731
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:18,700
seven out of ten Whiskey on the
shelf for whenever you want it.

732
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:23,300
And that's kind of what this is.
Yeah I'm with you I'll think

733
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:26,500
about it at the 33 dollar Mark
and give it a six and a half

734
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:30,800
which brings me to a 36 out of
50 Bob.

735
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,500
It's a whiskey that I really
like.

736
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
I'm going to 37 and a half out
of five.

737
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:41,400
Which brings us to a 73.5 out of
100 or thirty six point, seven

738
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,100
five out of 50.
That means we are over the 35

739
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:47,800
out of 50 Mark where we
typically start saying, yes, I

740
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,800
recommend this Brad.
I think that I would recommend

741
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,800
buying the bottle before I would
recommend getting a poor of this

742
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,000
at the bar.
Yeah, I feel like you're going

743
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,400
to pay anywhere from like five
to eight dollars at the bar for

744
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,200
it at which point like if you're
able to get your hands on a

745
00:42:04,207 --> 00:42:06,700
bottle, just grab A bottle.
It's a good share with some

746
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:10,600
friends.
Yeah, I think man I've always

747
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,100
liked Jack Daniels.
They definitely had a little bit

748
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:16,000
of a Resurgence for me when we
tried it on the podcast.

749
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,200
But man, I just am super
impressed with these two new

750
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,900
offerings that they're given us
Bob.

751
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:25,300
I would definitely say that I
prefer the triple Mash to the

752
00:42:25,308 --> 00:42:27,300
bonded of the triple match is
one.

753
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:30,800
That's like it's not just
satisfying me but it is.

754
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,100
I recommend this to people.
There's some complexity there

755
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:35,900
for sure for sure.
This one's good too.

756
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:38,500
Like, if you can't find the
triple Mash, this one's really

757
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:40,000
good.
I would just think about it the

758
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,700
way that you think about regular
Elijah Craig or, you know,

759
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:47,400
whatever your other thirty
dollar, whiskey, is that you'd

760
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,800
like to plug in there?
It's not going to knock your

761
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,500
socks off, but it can be your
Old Reliable if you want it to.

762
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,600
Well, Bob the I think that about
does it for Jack Daniels bonded.

763
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,500
How about we get back into
finishing our conversation about

764
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:02,800
Raging Bull, let's get to it.
Brad.

765
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:09,200
All right, everybody.
That was Jack, Daniels bonded, a

766
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,500
whiskey.
The Bob and I are really happy

767
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:13,900
with.
Yeah, I really enjoyed that man.

768
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,800
It did exactly what it was
supposed to do.

769
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:19,900
You can't ask much more, you
know, at the at the 30 Buck

770
00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:22,700
price range, like the like,
that's what you're looking for

771
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:24,600
me.
And I'm not looking for a 50 out

772
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,000
of 50 whiskey there.
Absolutely not.

773
00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:30,000
But you know where I am looking
for a 50 out of 50 score.

774
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,200
Bob, is it too fast to falsi to
fax in a falsehood Brad, you

775
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,200
have to remind me.
I did I get the taxi driver one?

776
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,000
Correct or incorrect.
You got it incorrect.

777
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:43,100
You guessed.
That.

778
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:45,900
Peter Boyle had tried out for
ya.

779
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,500
The other movie.
Alright so I am at 2 & 3 on the

780
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:52,000
season.
I'm looking to get back to 500.

781
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:53,500
I was on a little bit of a
streak there.

782
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:56,700
I started out 0 & 2.
I got hot and got two in a row

783
00:43:56,700 --> 00:44:00,500
and then I missed last week so
let's see if I can pull myself

784
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:03,300
back to dead.
Even in our standings hit me

785
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:06,500
with your two facts and a
falsehood all Right.

786
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:11,000
Fax number one, Robert De Niro,
accidentally broke, Joe Pesci's

787
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,200
rib.
In the sparring.

788
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,600
Seen the shot appears in the
film when De Niro hits Pesci in

789
00:44:16,607 --> 00:44:18,500
the side and Pesci, kind of
groans.

790
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,000
But then there's a quick cut to
another angle and you kind of

791
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,400
lose the scene.
Fax number two to achieve the

792
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,900
feeling of Brotherhood between
De Niro and Pesci.

793
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:32,400
They actually lived and trained
with one another for about a

794
00:44:32,408 --> 00:44:35,400
month and a half before the
filming began and ever.

795
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,800
Since then, the two have been
very close friends.

796
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,500
Fax number three in the scene,
where Pesci is shutting, his

797
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:48,500
name is Frank Vincent.
I had written down salvi because

798
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:51,700
that's just a great name.
When he's shutting Frank

799
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:55,500
Vincent's head in the cab door,
he actually caught his arm at a

800
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:59,200
really awkward angle and pulled
his shoulder out of the socket

801
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,300
and tore a ligament my God.
And so in the next scene where

802
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:09,300
he and Tommy and Joe Pesci are
patching things up Sling that he

803
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:14,100
was reeling was not a prop.
That was his actual, how sling?

804
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:17,200
So I know that number one is a
fact.

805
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:19,800
Like, I remember hearing about
Pesci's ribs getting broken in

806
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,000
that scene.
So it's really between two and

807
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,600
three and those both sound like,
very plausible things.

808
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:28,500
I know DeNiro trained for the
movie and like you said, he

809
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:30,800
entered a couple fights.
So it's possible that Pesci

810
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,900
lived with him and I know that
they're very close.

811
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:37,200
Fact, number three sounds like
it could have happened as well.

812
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,600
You know, I actually think that
I'll go ahead and say that fact,

813
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,900
three is a fact.
I'm gonna say fact to is the

814
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:48,400
falsehood Bob.
Fax number two is a true

815
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,900
statement.
Damn it, man.

816
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:55,300
You're getting too good at this.
Brad, I'm getting phenomenal in

817
00:45:55,300 --> 00:46:00,200
this.
I'm entering like the week.

818
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,400
Six of the Cleveland Browns.
Every year territory, I met two,

819
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,200
and four on the season.
Nah, man, a lot of Hope to start

820
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,700
the seat.
Wow, that's not true.

821
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:11,000
The Browns never win the opening
their mouth.

822
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:16,900
All right, you got me again.
Dude, I'm loving where this is

823
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:21,000
going.
I will say, Bob, if we get to

824
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,600
the end of the season and year 2
and 30, I will, I don't know if

825
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,100
I'll be enjoying it anymore.
Well, what's that supposed to

826
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:28,600
mean?
Like, I'm trying my best here,

827
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,100
man, I don't know if I like
being as good at this as I am.

828
00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:35,600
Never mind.
I love it.

829
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,300
All right, man.
Let's get back into talking

830
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:42,900
about this movie.
We left off, you know, hinting

831
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:46,800
at our thoughts on De Niro.
Do you have any other closing?

832
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,000
Thoughts on De Niro or do you
want to hop into other

833
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,300
territory?
No, I just I think that De

834
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:56,600
Niro's performance is impressive
but not great.

835
00:46:56,700 --> 00:47:02,900
Hmm, like it is impressive.
What he did the way he embodied,

836
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:08,000
the life of this, terrible human
being I don't know if I would

837
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,700
call it great, though.
Like, it felt It just didn't

838
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:18,300
strike me as very difficult for
him to do, and like, I'm not

839
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:22,900
saying that like denier is a bad
person, but the, the only scene

840
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:27,200
where that felt like there was
raw emotion and, like, true

841
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,000
steaks for him was when he was
in that isolation chamber, that

842
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,400
was the only time in the movie
that I like connected with him

843
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,600
as a character.
Yeah.

844
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,200
And like, I understand that
there's movies where, like, the,

845
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,800
the main characters, Supposed to
be a schlub but I don't know

846
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,200
man.
Like I get that that Scorsese is

847
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:53,000
like throwing Sports tropes on
their heads here but like the

848
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,000
beauty of a boxing movie and and
maybe I'm getting into like big

849
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,000
picture stuff here, but like the
beauty of a boxing movie is

850
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,800
that, you know, move like
boxing.

851
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,900
Movies are supposed to be about
like the Bulldog of Bergen like

852
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:11,100
fighting in the ring and
fighting in his real life.

853
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:16,700
Like For something.
And this movie is not that at

854
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:17,900
all.
No and opposite.

855
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:21,800
It's the exact opposite.
It's a man having an outlet for

856
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,600
his violence and still not
utilizing it.

857
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:26,400
Taking that violence home with
him.

858
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:30,700
Yes.
And that like that for me, it

859
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:33,600
just didn't click for me.
At any point, I saw what he was

860
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,200
doing and I walked away
unimpressed.

861
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,800
I mean, I don't know if I agree
with that because I think that

862
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,300
scorsese's telling It's a story
that is probably more true to

863
00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:45,700
life than most of those movies
that we've watched, you know

864
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:47,100
what I mean.
Like there's probably more

865
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:50,800
boxers that go home and have
this sort of mentality.

866
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:53,000
Honestly you know what, it
reminded me of and this is

867
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,000
probably the hottest take I'll
deliver in this whole thing.

868
00:48:56,300 --> 00:49:00,400
It reminds me of when I watched
the last dance and I watched

869
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,400
Michael Jordan you know who just
seems like such a sad lonely man

870
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,600
at this point in his life.
Mmm.

871
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,700
And the way that he just pushes
everybody away and it seems like

872
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:13,900
he has no Real good
relationships and he was so

873
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:18,600
competitive on the court and in
his real life, that just no one

874
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,800
really wants to be involved with
him anymore, and everyone gives

875
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,000
him his flowers and calls him
the goat.

876
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,400
But it's kind of like what good
is.

877
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,900
It being the goat?
If, if no one likes you like,

878
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:30,200
what have you really
accomplished?

879
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,300
What will people remember you
for other than just those things

880
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:36,700
and with LaMotta?
It's even more than that.

881
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,300
And Brad, you brought up three
points.

882
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:42,200
Just now that I think we should
kind of hit In order you brought

883
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,900
up, you know De Niro's
performance, you brought up

884
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:49,200
Scorsese and then you brought up
the role of the boxing movie.

885
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,800
And so just to kind of put a bow
on De Niro's performance here,

886
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,300
I'm with you in that it's a
really good performance and I

887
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:59,800
think the last 30 minutes are
what win him the Oscar because

888
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,500
he's really convincing playing
someone who's much older than he

889
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:06,300
is in real life at that time and
that scene where he's trying to

890
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:09,600
track down Pesci in the parking
garage and he has this limp to

891
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,600
his gate because he's so heavy.
And Beat up in life.

892
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:16,100
Like it's very very convincing.
I think that that whole sequence

893
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:19,600
is really well done.
But again that first 50 minutes,

894
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:25,000
when it just seems like they're
doing like improv activities at

895
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,900
the Actors Studio and and
scorsese's just kind of filming

896
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:31,700
it.
It wasn't compelling to me and

897
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:33,700
that kind of takes me into the
Scorsese of it all.

898
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,600
This is the first movie in
scorsese's catalog, that really

899
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,000
feels like it has the Rhythm and
the editing and the The work of

900
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,400
what?
We've come to know Scorsese for

901
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,500
it, either.
Comparing it to Taxi Driver,

902
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:50,000
like it's shot by the same guy,
Michael Chapman, but it's

903
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:50,900
edited.
So differently.

904
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:54,500
In the camera is so much more
frenetic here and you get, you

905
00:50:54,508 --> 00:50:58,100
know, they're breaking the 180
degree rule all the time.

906
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,100
It carries that editing style
forward into all of his movies

907
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:07,600
from here and it just really
strikes me as a movie, that is a

908
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,800
director's, wet dream, like,
directors love this movie

909
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,100
because It hits everything you
want to hit as a director and

910
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:17,200
it's the kind of the same
critique we had when we talked

911
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,100
about Apocalypse Now that it's
just like it's this kind of self

912
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:25,300
masturbatory thing that
directors had total control at

913
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:28,500
the end of the 70s with what
they produced and it Parts.

914
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:32,800
It feels like Scorsese is doing
kind of like a documentary-style

915
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,100
film making or like a cinema
verite thing at other parts.

916
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:39,200
It's so highly stylized.
Like what happens in the ring

917
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,300
with the blood dripping off the
rope and the The smoke coming

918
00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:46,000
out of nowhere and that final
fight with Sugar Ray where it

919
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,700
seems like kind of cosmic
punishment, that that will Mata

920
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:53,800
is calling down upon himself.
Like it's so highly stylized

921
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,700
that.
Does it all work?

922
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,900
I don't know that it all works,
but damn it.

923
00:51:57,908 --> 00:52:02,400
He's gonna try and it's like a
very big bold artists statement.

924
00:52:02,900 --> 00:52:06,100
But when you're just looking at
it, not from a cinema studies,

925
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:08,700
point of view, not from like a
guy who wants to write a thesis

926
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:11,600
about the movie and just a
person who walks into the Movie

927
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,300
theater looking for an
entertaining film.

928
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:17,500
I don't know if every decision
Scorsese makes translates to

929
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:19,600
that kind of a reading.
Yeah.

930
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:25,800
The the amount of artiste things
that he is doing is just

931
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,100
overwhelming at a certain point
and when you have an actor that

932
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:35,300
is chewing up, scenery the way
De Niro is, it just comes across

933
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:41,600
as too much and I think that for
the average viewer this Just

934
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,900
isn't a movie that many people
are going to enjoy.

935
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:48,000
And and I think that there are
artistic films out there that

936
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,800
are serious and take themselves
seriously and don't aim to

937
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,200
entertain and pleased that the
average person can enjoy but

938
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:58,800
this one just didn't strike me
that way.

939
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,400
Yeah well this was like an
intensely personal movie for for

940
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,600
Scorsese at the time almost at
Spielberg for Scorsese at the

941
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,000
time because he was like coked
out of his mind, he almost died.

942
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:12,000
I mean it's a very famous story
that he literally almost Dies

943
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,300
DeNiro.
Convinces him to take this movie

944
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:17,500
on to try to get him kind of out
of his depressive State.

945
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,300
And this is the first movie that
Scorsese kind of said, f it like

946
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:24,200
my last movie was a flop.
I'm going to put a lot more of

947
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,900
my personality into this.
I want it to be about people

948
00:53:26,900 --> 00:53:30,900
that I know that I grew up with
in New York and it really does

949
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:34,600
kind of have that feel of, you
know, Italian life in New York

950
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,500
City.
And at the same time though, I

951
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:39,900
want to compare this movie to
Goodfellas, which is a movie

952
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:41,200
that has never really worked
for.

953
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:46,700
You Brad, but this film feels at
multiple points, like, Scorsese

954
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:50,900
was trying to make the Great
American film and Goodfellas

955
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:54,100
never has that vibe to me, like,
Goodfellas is a big sprawling

956
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:57,600
movie, and it does such a good
job in the first half of like

957
00:53:58,100 --> 00:54:01,600
showing how the life can seduce
you before it all falls apart

958
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,800
but that movie feels so much
more like a Scorsese who has 10

959
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,100
more years of maturity as a
person and doesn't have to try

960
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:11,200
to wow.
You with his art.

961
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,000
Three at every turn that I
ultimately think Goodfellas is a

962
00:54:15,008 --> 00:54:19,700
more successful movie at doing
what he's trying to do here.

963
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:22,600
I think that one of the scenes
that like pissed me off the

964
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,900
most, what?
Not, even a scene, but the shot

965
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:27,500
actually.
No, the whole scene did piss me

966
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:31,600
off.
When De Niro takes Vicki, you

967
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,000
know, Kathy Moriarty's character
out on a date.

968
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,300
Hmm.
Like a, I don't know what kind

969
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:41,800
of world Scorsese grew up in but
if he's portraying Ins as he

970
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,300
knew it, then I like, I'm not
saying this about real Italians,

971
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:49,200
I'm saying it about scorsese's
version of Italians.

972
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,400
They are the most shallow human
beings.

973
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,300
I have ever seen written into a
movie.

974
00:54:55,900 --> 00:54:59,900
Like he literally just goes up
to this 15 year old girls like

975
00:54:59,900 --> 00:55:05,100
stares at her as like, like like
it might as well be delivered by

976
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:08,300
Sylvester Stallone like led the
car.

977
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,200
Yeah, I'll take you for a ride
in the car you want.

978
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:16,600
Now, like it is the most boring
stupid dialogue I have ever

979
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,100
heard in my life.
The funny thing is I remember to

980
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:21,100
leave.
I remember watching that scene

981
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:23,500
and when you watch something on
Amazon Prime, which is where

982
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:26,700
this is streaming right now.
It has that thing called x-ray,

983
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:28,900
where you can, like, tap the
screen and it tells you facts as

984
00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:32,600
they happen, and it was like,
fun, fact, this scene was

985
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,500
totally improvised by a Moriarty
and De Niro.

986
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,300
And I was like, you don't say
really this for minute scene

987
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,700
where they like, have 30.
And pauses between every line

988
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:44,700
and you can tell that they're
trying to figure out what to say

989
00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:48,500
next.
This was improvised gosh, it was

990
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,500
horrific lie, bad and then on
top of all that they're out mini

991
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:58,100
golfing and denier or DeNiro.
Like, you know, does the classic

992
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:00,600
guy thing is like, hey here, let
me, let me show you how to put

993
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,400
the ball and, you know, puts his
arms around her and she puts it

994
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,600
and the ball like disappears
underneath the windmill and she

995
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,200
goes to look for the ball and
the camera.

996
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:16,500
Like like Zooms in from behind
her as she looks back at him.

997
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:20,500
Yeah.
And it that shot called so much

998
00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:24,900
attention to itself.
It felt like a film student,

999
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,400
trying to like, make a statement
about the male gaze.

1000
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:33,700
It drove me nuts.
I like watch it three times and

1001
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:36,300
I was like, Scorsese.
Come on bro.

1002
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:38,700
Like you're better than this?
Yeah, I didn't have that

1003
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,700
reaction but so I mean fine.
Finally, I guess I'll say this

1004
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,800
to your point about the boxing
movie tropes.

1005
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:50,500
I like that this movie portrays,
and I want to say in a cynical

1006
00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:54,100
way, but in a more realistic
way, the other side of the world

1007
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:56,000
of boxing.
And it's not that this is

1008
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,100
representative of boxers or
anything like that but using

1009
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:04,100
boxing as a metaphor for people
like LaMotta, it really is

1010
00:57:04,100 --> 00:57:08,400
brilliant and I love that final
fight where he's, you know, he

1011
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,200
thinks that he's won by telling
Sugar Ray.

1012
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:13,000
Never went down.
I never went down.

1013
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:15,300
He's sitting there all bloody
and he can't see out of either

1014
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:17,600
eye and they cut to the reaction
shot of Pesci.

1015
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,100
Watching it on TV and he's like,
oh my God, like you're

1016
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:23,200
embarrassing yourself and he
just can't see it.

1017
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:28,100
Like he truly is blind to how
destructive he's being to

1018
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:32,200
himself in the name of some like
false sense of Pride or

1019
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,800
insecurity and I think
ultimately that's why I still

1020
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,600
really like this movie.
Brad the first 50 minutes.

1021
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,600
I was ready to come out here,
swing in and say like this is

1022
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,900
six and a half out of ten but
the last half of the movie makes

1023
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:48,700
so much sense and and everything
follows upon the decisions that

1024
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:52,300
are being made in such a
Shakespearean way.

1025
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,100
That I still think I'm going to
come out on this movie to a 9

1026
00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:57,500
out of 10.
I think Goodfellas is better.

1027
00:57:57,700 --> 00:58:01,300
I think taxi drivers better, but
I can see why this movie is so

1028
00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:05,900
widely regarded II.
See where they're coming from.

1029
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,200
Like I I get it, it's a
well-made movie in certain

1030
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,900
aspects.
And it is a very Earnest movie.

1031
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:19,100
Like you can tell that Scorsese
and De Niro and I would say

1032
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:22,000
Pesci as well, like really
poured their heart and soul into

1033
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,000
this film.
That being said, I was with you

1034
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,100
man, first, like, our hour and
10 minutes into the movie.

1035
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:30,600
I was like, this is like a 6 out
of 10.

1036
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,000
The last little last half of the
movie, I really liked.

1037
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,300
I think that they redeemed
themselves in a lot of ways.

1038
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,100
I think that that scene where
he's in the isolation chamber.

1039
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:47,500
ER, is genuinely one of the most
brutal psychological scenes I've

1040
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:51,400
ever seen in a movie, like the
honesty that he has with

1041
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,300
himself, to just say, I hate
you.

1042
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,600
And like, he just has so much
self-loathing that has destroyed

1043
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:03,200
his entire life.
It's this vicious cycle and, and

1044
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,900
you see it portrayed.
So I as with all Scorsese films,

1045
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:11,900
I get to the end of a Scorsese
movie and I don't think Anybody

1046
00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:18,700
in film can do this better.
Scorsese has a point like to

1047
00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:22,700
every single movie.
He makes he is making a very

1048
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:26,500
clear and direct point and he's
not going to let the audience

1049
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:30,300
off the hook and I think that's
what I love about Scorsese as a

1050
00:59:30,308 --> 00:59:35,200
director, but that being said,
the first half of this movie was

1051
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:41,600
wildly rough for me, I will come
out to a seven out of ten.

1052
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,900
Wow, on Raging Bull for.
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1053
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,400
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1055
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,700
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1056
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,900
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1057
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1058
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1067
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