Point Break / Maker's Mark 101 Bourbon

0:00 As we get into today's episode, I just want to take a second, remind you that there's a ton of extra content available to the members of film and whiskey Nation who support us through our patreon. Check us out on patreon.com film whiskey. In 1991, director, Kathryn Bigelow, and star Keanu Reeves, gave the world a tubular crime Thriller that got all the been he's stoked about carving the surf, even if as a complete chunder of a day and you just have to act like a Quimby, real bang in your way back to the shore bra. Wow, in 2023, we returned to Kentucky to try a fan, favorite brand, the film is Point Break.

0:40 The whiskey is Makers Mark 101 and we'll review them both. This is the fish. Film and whiskey podcast, welcome to the film and whiskey podcast, where each week, we review a classic movie and a glass of whiskey. I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and this week Brad, we are Rounding out our mini series of Kathryn Bigelow films with her 1990s, Masterpiece Point Break. I was going to say we we've reviewed The Hurt Locker we've reviewed Zero, Dark Thirty, I think Point Break, maybe the most important film she will ever make. I think so.

1:36 I don't know. It might be the most culturally significant film we've ever done on this show. Brad easily. Yeah. But like, by far, if they live in, like a very specific, Take place of the country. Yeah, right. So here's the thing about Point Break man, I said this at the end of last week's episode, normally I have seen and loved the films that we watch for this show. I had never seen Point Break until this watch through. Brad as, like, fourth fifth time. I think I know we're on movie. Number 201, on this podcast now and I think this is like, the fifth time ever that I have not seen the movie before. It's just a big blind spot for me. And I feel like in the wake of Kathryn, They'll be coming capitulo.

2:18 Oscar-winning director. This movie has taken on a second life, and people have really begun to critically reappraise it in a serious way and, you know, it's a fun movie. I just can't believe that. It's by the same person that made Hurt Locker in Zero, Dark Thirty. There's so wildly different but you can still see like the prototype for a Kathryn. Bigelow, movie embedded in this funny, Gary Busey See, Surfer action movie? Yeah, you 100% can, and we're going to get to that in a second. Bob, I'm curious. Who would you consider to be a lowercase o oscar-winning director? I want you to spill the beans right now, whoever the guy was that did green book is a lowercase o heater fairly fairly lucrative by the way, Brad, as we record this, and you hear the voice of our guests here in the background, we will introduce him in just a second right now, the confit. Festival is going on, which is one of the cool things about that film festival is that it's kind of a Marketplace of ideas where if you need money for an unproduced movie, you go to con you wheel and deal you secure International rights to make your movie and then it becomes a straight to DVD movie in the United States.

3:34 But you've got the rights to release it and like Czechoslovakia. So they give you the money. And so a lot of times people that are kind of washed up like sell movies at con and right now they're the Rumor is that Nick Val alonga the guy that wrote green book is shopping his new screenplay At Con. It's amazing. It's a movie called That's Amore. It is a romantic comedy. You have to look up the plot of this movie. It is absolutely ridiculous but currently attached to Star is like 70 year old, John Travolta. Hey, and Katherine Heigl and it is a romantic comedy in which I believe they are the Romantic leads with each other. So I think that's incredible. Nothing could go wrong there.

4:16 Bob. No, in fact, I feel like we should just talk about That's Amore. Instead of Point Break today, because it, I mean like it can't get any more interesting than that. The easily. That's the right decision. Bob at this point, I think we need our guests to weigh in on whether we should talk about Point Break or That's Amore. Yeah. Today we are joined by a first-time guest on the show. It's Vince Mancini, who is like, honestly one of my favorite movie writers, he's the host of a couple different podcast, I'll let Vince come in and introduce himself. Self a little bit because he has a very interesting point to make about, That's Amore. So Vince, how are you today? I'm doing great. Thank you guys for having me on. I mean if there's two things in the world that I know about it is Point Break and Nic Val, longest proposed movie, That's Amore.

5:04 Do you know about them on an equal? Knowledge level. I mean, you know, there's there's not a lot to know about That's Amore as of yet. It's like two paragraphs so percentage-wise you know. Basically the same. Yeah, I would say that I am have an encyclopedic knowledge of both. Yes. All right. So wait. I'm seeing in the chat that you said that. You had an AI. Write a scene for this movie. Yeah. Like I was obsessed with the idea that Katherine Heigl was going to be playing a character named Patty Amore in this movie. And when she is the love interest, which is like my favorite, like, Tyler Perry writing move where you have, you know, the movies called good deeds, and it's about a guy named was lead. He's like, that's just that's great, that's classic screenwriting.

5:54 No, no, I found that like chat GPT is really good like it a few narrow things and one of them is like, writing bad movies when given a prompt. So like I gave it the prompt to write this. You know, this movie That's Amore with John Travolta. You and Katherine Heigl, and I thought it did like a pretty good job. I mean, I took a couple goes, but at least made me laugh. At least as good of a job. As what Nick Val long is probably doing. Yeah. What are you what? I'm sensing here is that after this episode recording, you're going to hop on a plane to Khan and sell this bad boy. If it's not already sold right? Be surprised if someone had snapped it up yet. All right guys, so let's get into talking about Point Break a little bit, you know. Vince we reached out to you a couple months ago as up Seneschal guest and you had circled one of two movies and so I guess I kind of jumped ahead of myself a little bit here because you said look I can either join you for Point Break which I love or Zero Dark Thirty and this is your word which I loathe and and I was like, you know what, you've never been a guest on the show before.

6:59 Maybe don't come and just like shit all over your first movie. You know what I mean? Yeah, I like that II agree with that. And I honestly would I have a much better time. Talking about Point Break. Anyway, here's my thing, nor we're going to do this in a second. I do Brad explains take 60 seconds to explain the movie. Can you give us Vince lobes a 60 second segment. I'm instituting right now where he talks about why he hates Zero Dark Thirty. That was my question like you know, we and we talked about the controversies and a lot of the reasons that people critics especially hated that movie. So I'm wondering like they loved it at the time. I felt like I Out completely on an island saying that, I hated it at the time.

7:43 Okay. So let's, let's do, Vince, loads. I want to hear, like, what is your reasoning behind your hatred for that movie? I mean, first bullet point, it is literally like a CIA, puff piece. Like, this was, this is like part of the cia's public relations campaign, like, they literally had a big hand in this movie, and put it out there as a way to make themselves look good. Like Like the entire, the entire Jessica Chastain character. Like, I'm the motherfucker who found him, sir, like completely not a real person. The completely bullshit character. And it also realigned though. I mean, come on. Yeah.

8:23 And just, I don't know. It treats, it treats this, you know, extra legal execution. Not that I like, you know, shed any special tear for Osama Bin Laden obviously, but like, just the way that they made it into like a cool video game. Like I get that we as a society, wanted this guy dead and we had some seals go in and blow his brains out. But if you're going to do that, show the brains, like making us actually grapple with the thing that we did and not make it like, oh, wasn't that cool? Wasn't it like a video game? It's like, first of all, you crashed your helicopter in this guy's a compound where he was like sitting in, in, like he was sitting on house, arrest watching porn, and, and we went into go executed, when you crashed your helicopter, like, You weren't that cool? Sorry, it wasn't a cool video game. It was kind of like you screwed up and I don't know, Vince, I should have warned you before hand. We don't talk about killing Osama Bin Laden. We caught him.

9:21 Yeah, that's right. Yeah. We caught. It's the caught him. We got him. You guys. Sorry. You know like I think you're a right to steer me towards Point Break. It's because that wasn't that's a movie that I love and I could talk about all day. All right, in the spirit of talking about this movie, it is time for America's favorite segment which we call Brad explains rats gonna give us the movie plots with only 60 seconds ticking on the clock. So let's go ahead and do you take with this little segment that we call Brad explains? Brad explains is the part of the podcast where Brad breaks down the plot of the movie that he has just seen often for the first time Brad. Listen, I know for damn sure that if it was my first time seeing Point Break, it was definitely your first time seeing Point Break. Hey, I mean so far.

10:08 We've had one movie. I think that I saw and you hadn't, right? Sheree and charade and other than that, you are correct. As if you haven't seen it, I haven't seen it. Well, the great appeal of our show is that, you know, I am a movie nerd and I'm introducing Brad to so many of these films, but the beauty of today Brad is that we are discovering this alongside each other. So I will be judging your Brad explains even more harshly than normal. Well maybe this should be a bob explained. Absolutely. I feel like that. Should be. No, I feel like that should be your punishment for not having seen the movie before Brad, you have 60 seconds on the clock, to explain the plot of this movie. And go an FBI agent with the name. Johnny Utah.

10:52 I'm just going to linger on that for a second. His name is Johnny. Utah goes undercover to catch a gang of robbers who are also totally rad Surfers and they're led by Patrick Swayze. Who's kind of a Eastern mysticism, Buddhist monk, kind of dude, who's just wants to experience life to the fullest and they jump out of airplanes and they murder people and rob banks, and just have a totally killer time doing it, man. It's awesome. And Keanu, Reeves has a bad knee and Gary Busey gets shot. Hmm. Yeah.

11:32 There you go, there's Point Break. What a, what a plot synopsis you you I've offered here. All right. I mean, he was a quarterback for Ohio State. Who blew his knee out in the Rose Bowl against USC here. That's Frank you very much. What do you see that? I am. I'm donning, my Ohio State gear here tonight. Brad. And I are both huge Buckeyes fans. I did not expect to see that. Johnny Utah was a former Buckeye himself, but I will say that it's hilarious that even back in 1991. The Trope of the Ohio State quarterback, not going pro was true. Even then like it's You nailed man. You know I blew out my knee and everybody on the beach was like yeah. Yeah that tracks I guess for the has to keep your eyes open.

12:14 There you go. Yeah, I mean it was it was honestly prophetic, I think so Brad. Where do we start with this movie? Do you want to start with performances? Do you just want to start with General impressions of the movie? Where should we go honestly? I think starting with performances is a good place to be simply because like all of the main performers in this film, I am Honestly think give like, solid B and up performances. Like everybody is really good in the film, and I like, I mean, you have a, oh, I can't remember his name right now. The doctor from Scrubs. He's again Lee. Yeah. Thank you just being incredible as like this hard-nosed.

12:59 You know, Sergeant. I just loved it. I have a very specific take on the performances. If you'll, please Jump Right In, please. I'm yeah. I mean, you guys are talking about the filmmaker that Kathryn Bigelow would become, you know, the capital. Oh, Oscar filmmaker and I think Patrick Swayze is do is performing for that director and everybody else in the movie recognizes that Point Break is sort of like a fun be movie and like jhansi McGinley Keanu, Reeves and Gary Busey who is absolutely incredible in this movie. I think they are all just knocking out of the park. These Great, B movie, roles Lori Petty to, and then, you know, Patrick Swayze shows up and he's sort of got that like, Tom Cruise shark eyes thing where he's like, he's dialed it. Yeah, like he's dialed in and he's doing a more serious movie than the movie actually is.

13:54 And it works because like that is his character as this like freaky serious bodhisattva guy who can convince you to join a surf gang. Let's get, let's start with Swayze Brad. This is the first Patrick Swayze movie. Ever done on this show. We have we've made surprisingly not a lot of Patrick Swayze movies on the AFI top 100. I don't know what's going on. If you need, if you need to have me back for Roadhouse, that was filmed in my hometown and I also have an encyclopedic knowledge of that film which you should also see. Absolutely. We need to implement this Swayze, the Swayze miniseries of Red Dawn Roadhouse and The Outsiders or or ghost throw one of those two in there will bring Vince back on for a marathon. I was going to say bye.

14:37 Bob Vince might just leave the podcast. This is the first Patrick Swayze movie. I've I don't like gosh, like the, the closest I've ever come to watching. Patrick, Swayze Act is watching him and Chris Farley. Try out for Chippendales together. Well, there you go. I mean I don't really know where to go from there, except to say, Patrick Swayze in this movie Brad legitimately. And I don't just mean like for a cocaine-fueled. Early 90s action film, he's good. He is like unbelievably good in this movie. Yeah. I legitimately was blown away. I think part of it is I'll call it the Matt Damon effect of like coming into a movie halfway through like he's really not in the movie very much until 45 to 60 minutes into the film and it's only a two-hour film. So like you don't get a ton of him but once he like really cements himself as one of the main characters of film dude, takes it home.

15:36 Yeah. There's like a certain Then kind of actor and I've read the director of Killing Them Softly, say this about Brad Pitt, which I think is also true. It's like there's a certain type of actor that is only. They can only play a character who sort of like, Larger than Life and is like, it almost like mythical figure. Yeah, and I think that very much applies to Patrick Swayze in like Bay, you know, I've really only seen him in like two movies, the rest. Yeah, I'm sure I saw at one point, but like in Road House and in Point Break, he is like this, like mythical Sage character and he's not playing like a normal human, he's playing this character who. Yeah, it's like a human myth, musically?

16:17 And yeah and I think that that psychotic commitment that he has throughout this whole movie is just like perfect for the character. Honestly, he reminds me a little bit in a more extreme way and like the negative version of this, but he kind of reminds me of Samuel Jackson from Pulp Fiction. Like the way he waxes, poetic lie about his beliefs about the world and like, gives these speeches. I'm like, I felt Vibes of that in this. I mean, I guess technically, yeah, Pulp Fiction was a for three or four years later, but yeah, it's hard to see, like, little real literal reality and a character who speaks like in monologues and allegories.

17:01 But yeah, but it but we love watching it. It's always fun to watch when it's done. Well, it's such a cool performance. Foreman sin like in the Arc of his career to because, you know, he gets famous in the early 80s, obviously The Outsiders and then into Red Dawn and all the way through to like your Roadhouse's and he's at a point. I think he's 38 39 years old when this movie comes out. So he's, you know, he's getting to the point where he's gonna start playing dad's if he's not careful and what he does is he leans into this I don't know what you would call this guy Brad. I mean, like, obviously Sage kind of older wiser figure, but it works so perfectly playing against Keanu, who is in one of his very first leading performances in this movie.

17:42 And I think it's, it says, a lot about him that this is clearly positioned to be keanu's, like diving board jumping off. Point into superstardom, this is his movie star breakout role. And I think John, John, Wayne and Stagecoach and I think Swayze just steal is the whole movie out from under him, he because, yeah, it's the weight and I think Bigelow's kind of in on it a little bit to, it's the way she likes him. Like, the way, this guy looks lit by a campfire, with his golden locks and stubbly beard. He is one of the most beautiful men I've ever seen on screen. I've heard it said that this is one of the only and arguably the only movie of this era like the Crazy Action Movie. Joel Silver like Lethal Weapon movies, which I'm also a huge fan of like all His movies are very male, gaze e, and like, this one is like the loan.

18:34 It's very much like a female gaze in like a action movie aimed at 13 year old boys, as all of them were like in that era. Yeah, it works because like you could see yourself wanting that you know older Mentor that is Patrick Swayze because you're like man, this guy's cool like I can't deny, it's just it's just self-evident and that's like part of the charm of the movie, right? Is that he's stuck with Gabe. You see the most? I mean, he won world's most attractive man by GQ what like, seven times in a row. Right. Who's that Swayze. No Gary. Are you saying this? I didn't get the joke at first.

19:15 I was like, yeah, there's like so many conflicting career arcs. I mean, everybody, like all the actors in this movie have such like, to me, this is Swayze sort of like makana sants movie. Like Matthew McConaughey was sort of like, Hot guy who was a joke and then, he sort of, you know, he came back and serious actor form. Like, that's totally. Like it was the Lincoln commercials that did that. Yeah. And then, you got Gary Busey who was like, went from heartthrob to this to, like crashing, his motorcycle and becoming sort of just like a famous celebrity weirdo. Yeah. This is Prix motorcycle accident. I believe, right? I think so. I think that was the thing that like finally, like, started the downward trajectory for abusing and he is legit, like, Busey is legitimately incredible this movie to I'm so good.

20:04 Almost all of almost all of his lines. Make me laugh out loud in this movie. I want to talk about Busey, but let's come back around to him because I think the comparison Point here is Swayze versus Keanu and I don't mean to make it like a versus an antagonistic thing. But Brad, I think that Swayze is so good at this point. And so in control of his own kind of movie star Persona and Keanu, still hasn't really figured out yet who he is as a movie star and he doesn't really cement that until the Matrix which is this kind of stoic. I don't say very much, I hide behind a pair of sunglasses. I don't move my face very much and I do what I'm supposed to like I'm good at stunts and here he's still like really going for it as an actor and I don't know if I'm being unfair to Keanu.

20:52 Or if it's just that Swayze so good that it makes keanu's performance seem even worse by comparison. Well, that's the thing is that in the Matrix films and others that Keanu has been in. I don't know if there's any actors too far above the level of Keanu. Whereas, in this film, I'm with you man. I think Swayze is acting at like an a-minus a level. Like he is killing it and Keanu Reeves. It's not a great actor, I agree. But I also feel like his narrow range sort of works for the character because like he's 100%. I mean, he's playing like sort of a dumb jock turned dumb Surfer.

21:37 So yeah, I mean, like there's definitely like his acting is hilarious in this movie objectively, but I also feel like you do believe him in it, because it does fit the character to some degree. Yeah. Well, and like they set him up like that with the story, right? Like your introduction to him, is him being really good at shooting a gun. Like it's not him nailing like foreign language class, or like stealth, you know, infiltrating a gang class. It's him shooting a gun which is basically The Jock version of being an FBI agent. And it also gave me strong, John Wick Vibes, you know, 30 years.

22:18 It seems like he joined the FBI because he was like what job will allow me to keep being a Jacques more? Yes. Yeah. This is a perfect segue into my question of the day, guys is Johnny Utah. The worst FBI agent of all time because watching this film, it's clear. He didn't pay attention in any other class at the Academy except for, like the shooting range. I just like he, he gives these guys, his full Christian name, like the the second he meets them. And then not only does he tell them like, hey, I'm Johnny, Tha they're like, oh yes, Johnny Utah, you are the quarterback of maybe the biggest brand and Collegiate Sports.

23:00 We've seen you on National Television every week for years. How in the hell did this guy? Go into the FBI thinking that he's gonna go undercover anywhere? I just like the the entire think he was I think he's the best FBI agent. He was like too pure for the FBI that are like hey you want to go infiltrate like this? You know, civil rights a group and figure out how to, like, figure out how to undermine it. And he's like, no, I want to go learn how to surf, and I might go a little bit native when I do and that's like a human response and it's like, well, you can't be in the FBI. Now, my favorite, my favorite thing is that at multiple points in the movie you're like, all right. He's going to learn his lesson about how to not suck at his job now and then it's like no he's going to run down the street in Broad.

23:52 Light after these guys, going up. Bi I'm Johnny Utah. And then after that he's like, I'm going to sleep with Lori Petty now. But when I sleep with Lori, Petty, I'm going to leave my wallet just want like just spread-eagled on my nightstand so that she could see my FBI badge. Like I also I also feel like he doesn't know what the FBI is like, he's not only is he bad FBI agent? He doesn't know how to pretend to be an FBI agent because he doesn't really understand it. Like the First introduction is, he's in the office and he's trying to impress jhansi McGinley. And the first thing he says is like oh I take the skin off chicken sir and then five seconds later. He's like eating a doughnut.

24:34 Like he's trying to Pander to them but he doesn't know which direction to do it in because he's seems to be confused about the whole thing. That was the part that got me. I was like, wait a second. Is he going to be like, the like rookie? Who knows it all. I don't like honestly, like the Tom Cruise Direction. Like, I'm a young. Child and you can't tell me what to do or is he trying to like suck up to this guy? And I had no idea and I don't know if that's like the scripts fault or keanu's fault but it was entertaining at the very least. Yeah. He always. I mean, Keanu, Reeves always has like this the appeal of like a dog wearing a hat because it's like he's he's really cute and like you put them in these different formats and it doesn't really fit but it's really adorable when he tries to do it. So what I hear us saying is We all love Keanu in this role. Listen Keanu is a national treasure at this point, but I feel like with the National Treasure status, we've collectively just decided to forgive him for a lot of things that, you know, he has not had the best performances ever. I love the guy to death.

25:39 The Matrix is an Alzheimer John Wick. Really cool series. He just gets circles acted around him by Swayze in this movie. Yeah, I mean, I just think that, you know, not every good. Is going to look like Daniel Day-Lewis. Sometimes sometimes it can be Keanu, Reeves. And you're like, I'd enjoy this just as much. It's a different thing but I like it still. Yeah, I mean, honestly, we talked about that a lot on the podcast Vince, where it can be so hard to delineate, am I going to give this a good score because the actor was what the script and director were looking for? Or am I going to give them a bad score? Because like I didn't like it even if it was what they were hoping for. Like I'm some genuinely hard question to answer it times here.

26:26 I think it's a little easier because Johnny, Utah's just really cool. Yeah, I mean it's like the battle between auteur Theory where you just assume every everything that happens was you know the result of some great artists and their and their master plan. But I feel like a lot of good movies and good performances are just like a weird combination of things that happened. And it's sort of like this spontaneous occurrence that Could only happen in just that one way and it's exciting because of that. All right, guys, before we go to break, I want to hit like the three other main / supporting actors in this movie and that would be Lori, Petty Gary Busey and John see McGinley. So let's start with Lori Petty.

27:10 And I just want to like 30 seconds on Lori Petty because I'm really, if I'm being honest, I'm really only familiar with her from A League of Their Own Brad, in which she plays a completely different character and type of just a little bit. It. I was really impressed with her performance here and it was, I mean, it was just really cool to see her not being like the annoying little sister and to hold her own as a, you know, the to be frank, like a very sexy, like female lead of a movie where, like the the main characters, having a sex scene is like, pivotal to the movie. She really held her own in that kind of a roll. Yeah, I think that, for me, I couldn't get over for a little bit. The, I mean, maybe it wasn't obvious in the 90s. But in 2023 look back on this.

27:56 And it's like, there's just such an obvious. Like she's going to be like a punk rock and we're going to give her a boy's name and she's not going to take any crap from any man and like it works. She does a great job with it but I just couldn't help but laugh at that the first like 30 minutes of the movie. It's weird. Because it's like it's expected in that sense like the oh man, she's so in my face but at the same time it's like you know, if you look at The Point Break remake, they cast Teresa Palmer. And that is sort of the kind of actress that you sort of expect to be in this role which is like the blond like model looking one who's like very voluptuous or whatever like Lori Petty was a different thing and even now watching it you like yeah she still seems like an unconventional choice for yeah, troll. Well I think that's like honestly, that's a huge credit to Kathryn Bigelow and and I'm sure she had a hand in that casting.

28:52 To because she looks like someone I don't. I have no idea what her surfing abilities are in real life. But she has an incredibly athletic built and I think that's part of what you're getting at here. Vince is like she doesn't look like your kind of typical everyday voluptuous leading lady but she wouldn't be going to be in Baywatch, right. But she actually seems like she belongs on the beach more than anybody in Baywatch. Does because she's like doing these incredibly athletic feats. On the surfboard. Yeah, she looks like what an actual, you know girls Surfer? Yeah, but look like and has that same appeal 100%. All right, well, if we're going to talk about voluptuous bodies that we find for, then I got to talk about Gary Busey for a little bit.

29:39 Okay, here's the thing about Gary Busey like he's always operating at 100 plus on the scale of whatever scale you want to call it and yet this movie really 10 scale, This movie is so Bonkers in the just the plot elements. That Busey not only seems at home, but seems like, oh, yeah. This is a very naturalistic, kind of performance. Like he, he doesn't seem over the top at all, and in the first five minutes of the movie, where he's like, all right, you ready? I'm gonna give you the answer right now. They're Surfers. I'm like, what the hell?

30:19 You know. And if you can get past that initial bump, Which is this is a Preposterous plot, it 100% works and not only does it work. It gives Busey like this level of verisimilitude that the that like, in any other movie, he would be miles and miles over the top. And in this one, he fits right in I think what I love about him is that from the very start, you get his entire character, like, they're asking him to dive for two bricks and he's like, what the hell does this have to do with me? Being an FBI agent. But sure, I'll jump through the Hoops, mmm, and that's his character, the rest of the movie. And he is so over-the-top and trying to jump through the Hoops that they put him in that and not just like the FBI. But that Kathryn Bigelow is asking of him that I absolutely loved him in this.

31:13 Yeah, I think like he's playing like, there's this view of Allah as the place where all these X counterculture figures like went to settle and, like, they're really painting Busey. Is that like that? That's basically, like the, what the entire like, social background of The Big Lebowski is, and I kind of could I could see Gary Busey his character. In this as, you know, sort of that, you know, eight or nine years earlier because like one of his lines was like, I like he's reminiscing about like the good old days of California and like the 60s and 70s, where he's like that the air got dirty in the sex, got clean just like, he's sort of like a, he's a burnout like ex-hippie sort of guy who is in the FBI for some reason because of your like yeah.

32:07 He's why not? Honestly, I feel like he could play the Oh, Crow character in The Other Guys. Oh, 100% and pull it off back. Like I feel like Russell Crowe's character is Gary Busey's character just earlier in life. Yeah, I like Russell Crowe just because he was a slightly more menacing than he. He works better as like an enforcer, maybe then right then Gary Busey does, but they do have that same quality of, like, I think Gary Busey went to college on a football scholarship like they, they have ex-jock energy, whereas, you know, Keanu is like an actor. Playing an ex-jock. When Gary Busey is actually what a next job looks like what you just has that, he's got that Lumber to him and and like all the dad jokes that he spits it with movie, just leave it. Somebody sports.

32:53 Did you play well, I think one of the reasons that Busey seems tame by Busey standards is that you've got John see McGinley who is just absolutely shooting his shot in every scene of this movie? I have never seen anyone go. As far over the top in a performance when it's like, you've got five minutes on screen, you have to make every second count and you have to do all of them at 100 out of 100 level. This guy is like it. I keep wanting to compare this movie to like, a Michael Bay movie, or like to Con Air or something, because there is just a level of the writing and the direction.

33:37 And the acting of this movie, seems so fueled by cocaine. Then like only a certain, upper echelon of people can reach those Heights and John. See, McGinley is doing it here. I think they, at the time there was, you know, the the Angry police captain, who is pissed off at his unorthodox, Loose Cannon. Underlings was just like an established Lane for actors at this time and they were all sort of competing with each other to see who could take it more over the top and like that was established as Like a lane in which actors could absolutely go for it. And so, like he's competing against the guy from Beverly Hills Cop, he's competing against like the guy in Lethal Weapon, he's competing against like I'm sure there was a character in like Tango & Cash. Like how many movies had like at an angry police captain who was pissed about that do you know this crazy Loose Cannon destroyed a whole city block again and they had to really like lay down the law and likes.

34:37 He's just he's doing that. He might be the Most memorable one in that, you know, in that style of roll. But what's hilarious about it is that like, in this movie, you know, in every other movie, people are blowing up a city block and then they're like, damn it, Mel Gibson. You gotta rein yourself in. And in this movie Keanu, is like, can I go surfing and John Cena Gillies like, hey Jonathan? Yeah, I need to go blow up a whole city block Ray. Oh, man, I I will say I have not watched the show in years. I'm a huge scrubs fan and McGinley is like the primary reason. Yeah, he just has an incredible talent for giving angry monologues and I feel like in this, he's trying to like join Beatrice straight and Robert Duvall. With like the lowest amount of screen, time to win a Best Supporting Oscar Does he like he is he is giving it his all as you said Bob he's shooting his shot in every single scene. All right guys, we're gonna press pause here, we'll come back after the whiskey break.

35:50 We'll talk a little bit about Kathryn Bigelow and how this movie fits into her groove ra, but before we get there Brad, what do you say we stop here? Let's try this Maker's Mark. Let's get to it, man. Alright, so today we are checking out Makers Mark 101. Brad, you know, I don't think we've ever done regular Maker's Mark on this podcast. Have we? I don't think we've had--we've like tiptoed around it with all their other Expressions. We tried makers 46 way back in season. One last year we did Makers Cask strength which was yeah I think that's right we didn't we hadn't tried a makers in like six seasons and we loved The Cask strength after being like kinda iffy on 46 back in season 1. So we're eventually we're going to get around to drinking standard Makers Mark but I think we're going to drink through every other possible expression that they offer first. That's the goal, every single single barrel they've ever released, like all the other options, all right? So Maker's Mark is perhaps the world's most famous weeded Bourbon, and when we talk about weeded bourbon, you know, Brad, I think sometimes we forget that, When we started this podcast, we were very new to Whiskey. And we've done this weeks and weeks and weeks in a row. This is what the 201st week in a row. We've talked about whiskey.

37:13 So after we say something, when we bunch of times, we don't always say it. But this could be someone's first episode of film in whiskey and maybe they're not familiar with. We did bourbon. So bourbon as a drink is predominantly made of corn and when we talk about we did bourbon, it means that the second most used grain to make that whiskey is sweet. Then in a lot of cases, that makes the bourbon people like to say that it kind of rounds off. The sharp edges of the bourbon, it's not as prickly as spicy as Rye. Grain is Brad and I really love are weeded bourbon, especially me. I think it gives it a really, really sweet character. And so, what's in our glass? Today is a weeded bourbon, it consists of 60 percent corn, 26 percent red winter, wheat and 14% malted barley.

37:59 It's aged for at least four years and as you might be able to tell from the 101st, In the name. It is 50 .5 percent alcohol by volume. Yeah, honestly Baba. When I saw this on the on the docket I was really excited because of how much I love that Cask strength, which I think comes in at, like 113, 114 proof. Yeah, comes in somewhere around there. Brad. This 101 was initially only offered as leg, an in-house Distillery only thing that you could buy if you made the trip to Kentucky and back in I think 2020 or 2021 they started releasing it. It as a special edition but it's a you know, Nationwide distribution. So you can find this on shelves near you or, you know, you could just pick up a bottle of the 90 Proof Maker's Mark and a bottle of The Cask strength and just kind of mix them together.

38:48 And come out with something that probably approximates. This pretty well Brad. You've been sipping on this already. I have not tried it yet. So go ahead and give us your nose notes. Yeah, I give it a 7 out of 10 on the nose. I think that there's some green apple here, a little bit of a A baking spice, almost an allspice. Feel there's some cherry that's going on which is very typical for a. We did bourbon. However, the predominant note for me was ethanol, like I I struggled to get much more than that and there's tricks for being able to, you know, kind of clear out the nose so that you're not just getting the alcohol.

39:29 The man I was having a really hard time finding any other notes that that I enjoy. I'd it's decent but not great. Like I said, seven out of ten. Yeah, when I first poured it out I got a lot of melon like a really ripe cantaloupe but that one away pretty quickly and it was replaced by notes that we typically get on weeded Bourbons. This has a lot of like a darker fruit note to it but for me it's not the Cherry that we normally get. It smells almost. Like I don't know if you've ever made like fresh apple sauce before Brad but they'd almost smells like when you have to take all the peels off of like a red, delicious apple. And You just have that the red apple peel left to discard, it has that earthiness to it with just a little bit of sweetness like behind it, but it doesn't have the kind of tartness that you normally get with an apple.

40:16 It's really autumnal for me. Like I think this would be a really good whiskey to nose and to sip like on a fall day. When you're watching Johnny Utah, play for the Ohio State Buckeyes. You know what I mean? Yeah, man, I'm gonna give it an 8 out of 10 on the nose. Yeah, when I get into the actual palette this is where I feel like it really started to struggle for me. I got the Cherry I got a lot of like grainy corn notes coming through and that was about it. Once again this came across really hot a lot of ethanol and kind of young and grainy and Anna, it's not bad. Like you can tell that this is a decent quality whiskey but it wasn't anything that was impressing me. I give it a six.

41:02 Six and a half out of 10 on the taste. Oh I don't like this man. Oh That was immediately bitter. Like, bitter bitter. It's over oaked and it's like the kind of oakiness that we usually get on the very back, end of the palette On a Buffalo Trace product. Except it wasn't, it was present from the moment, it touched my tongue. It is really hot. It's pretty prickly on the palate because of the ethanol. I know, you know what Brad after we tried the makers Cask strength. I went out and bought a bottle, so I just had some of that, a few weeks ago, that's a very hot whiskey as well. Like it drinks, like it's on In 15 proof, it makes you know it leaves its Makers Mark as it goes down your chest too. So I was expecting this to have a lot of that heat to it but it is it's really really hot and it's just an unpleasant amount of Oak with no sweetness underlying. It almost almost sour bitterness to it. I do not like this, I am going to, I'm only gonna give it a 5 out of 10 on the palate.

42:04 Yeah, the finish for me is where that bitterness This really came through. I give it a 5 and a half out of ten. It just gets way. Okey, it's still taste young. There's like corn and a little bit of green apple coming through at the end Bob. I'm not impressed with this. Here's the thing, I don't care for the flavors. You can still tell that this is a quality made whiskey. Like this isn't just some cheap ten dollar whiskey that you got, you know, it's not Canadian. Just so so it has that going for it, but I just don't care for what they've created here. Yeah, you know what man?

42:44 Like I don't think that this is, it doesn't taste young to me. It just, it just tastes like, really, really bitter Oak. And that flavor does hang around on the finish. I will say that the Finish dissipates nicely and not, it's not a quick dissipation but it like it's not as concentrated of a bitter sour Oak flavor as it is on the palette. And so I think the Finish is a little bit better just because it's like a reprieve from the palette. I'll give the finish a 6 out of 10 but that's being kind of generous. The Finish is good because it's finish because it's not the bezel it. Yeah, because it's not there anymore. When I think about the balance on this whiskey I don't think it's balanced. Well at all the nose promised.

43:28 A lot of things that the palette and the thinnest did not deliver on. Once again, I'm just going to give it, I'll split the difference and give it a five point five on the Yeah, I gave it a 6 on balance. I think it's somewhat consistent throughout in the flavors, it presents, but none of them are that good. So, you know, like like I'm trying to recognize the quality here but also say like, I just didn't understand what they were going for. I just took my bath and final sip of this sample that we got Brad and like there was some there's a nice little bit of like almost like an almond extract to it. It was starting to get a little more power. Palatable. But like I shouldn't have to take four sips of something for it to be even palatable. This was a disappointment man.

44:14 Yeah I was in say usually if you're new to tasting whiskey, always reserve your judgment after the first sip because like a lot of times if you haven't been drinking anything that first sip will come across a little harsh even on an 80. 85 proof whiskey, wait for the second sip to really start judging the whiskey, but if it takes you four or five steps to be like, oh this is kind of getting decent. Aunt, it's not a good whiskey. Like it, it should reveal itself on the second, maybe the third sip, here's the problem Bob. In general. I I didn't find a price on this in the state of Ohio, but in general, it seems like this whiskey retails for around 45 dollars.

44:57 That is you might not have. This is not a 45 dollar whiskey Bob. I'm going to punish this even more harshly than I normally would because makers, Cask strength is also about $45. Yep. So you're getting a more concentrated product and a much, much better product for essentially domain rice. Like this is a no-brainer Brad. This, this is not good. And also, it is the same price as the one. That is very good. I'm going to give this a 3 out of 10 on value. Look at us, man. I give it a 3 out of 10 to. Hey, I love it when we're harsh together. Yeah. It's like we're like our own buddy.

45:37 Cop movie Brad. This is a very low score and I'm super bummed because I wanted to like this makers Cask strength redeemed this entire brand for me. Not that it needed a demon, you know what I mean? But like my, my recollection of regular makers was that it was not very good and tasted almost kind of chemically. Makers 46 was okay but nothing to write home about and then that makers Cask strength was one of the highest-rated Whiskey's of last season. Yeah. This is not going to be a spoiler alert. One of the highest-rated Whiskey's of this season. I'm coming out to a 27 and a half out of 50. Yeah, you're a half Point lower than me Bob. I'm going to 28. Wow. So we are at a twenty seven point seven, five or a 55.5 out of 100. This is a very low score.

46:27 I am not going to recommend buying. I have not going to recommend trying just do something else that stamp of disapproval. Oh man, I'm trying to think of like some fun. Clever segue back into Point Break, but I can't really think of any except to say Point Break deserved a better whiskey than this Brad. Yeah, it really did just like lagavulin 16 deserved a better movie than it. Got. All right man. What do you say? We get back to talking with Vince and talking about Point Break. Let's get to it. All right, everybody. That was Makers. Mark 101. A whiskey that I personally did not enjoy. You were not a fan of that one Brad. No, no bueno.

47:14 When do they put that out? It's only been a couple years. I want to say like 21 years ago, 2018, 2019, because it's usually like forty three or four. Like, I feel like there was a controversy, a few years back where they, they lowered the proof by 1% people got pissed off or something like that. No, that was like a real. Yeah, that was a real thing. They, they dropped and I think to 80 proof like they're regular Makers, Mark and then people revolted so much that they were like, just kidding, it's still 90 proof or whatever and they didn't do it, but yeah, Yeah. That was what there that was with their original one and then they came out with this 101 proofer just a couple years ago until like makeup. Yeah. In fact, we're going to raise it 10%, right? All right.

47:59 Well we know that the world has revolted against Maker's Mark trying to lower their proof but we do know for a fact that Canada has a favorite segment of our show. Bob they sure do. It's the segment that we like to call to facts and a falsehood Try to stop you ball to all right. And what is wrong? Two facts, in a faucet to facts in a falsehood is the part of the podcast where Brad presents three items about the making of this movie. To me all of them presented as fact, one of, which is a complete fabrication and lie that I have to suss out Brad, I have done. Absolutely no research on the making of this movie, actually, where I got a couple Kathryn Bigelow books out of the library. When we first This miniseries.

48:46 So I read some stuff about this movie three weeks ago and probably forgot it all by now. So Bob, I feel like the public library systems should be should be sponsoring our podcast. Hey listen, man, way your we do your shout them out every week. We're doing a Charlie Chaplin miniseries. Starting next week, I have 12 books on hold at the library about old Charlie right now. So yeah, of course you do know what, here's another quick aside I had to do like a whole search of The public libraries in Ohio to find three Kathryn Bigelow books. I've got 12 bucks on Charlie Chaplin on hold right now at the library, let that speak for itself even more more, more time to write about it.

49:28 That will go with that. All right. Brad, hit me with your two facts in a falsehood fact. Number one bra. Did you know, that Patrick Swayze was totally rad and took headers out of sky planes. Like, all the time, hitting us. Rip, tides, and floating down all nice. And he did at least 55 times. Times during the shooting of this movie. Are you gonna do this whole thing? And that, that this is a bit that I do not want to commit to, I've just got to stir this in and put this out here. Right now as a California, I find this very offensive but culture is not your costume, but it's good. Fact, number two, did you know that the scene that that coup Keanu Reeves a total Jake and makes the Nazi Surfer.

50:11 Take a dive Keanu, nearly met David Jones himself in the ensuing fight choking in enough water to sing a shark. Wow! Okay, that number three. Did you know? That Kathryn Bigelow was a real bro. Looking out for dude Keanu Reeves and she fought to give him the role over a bunch of other guys. Like Johnny Depp. All right, so to translate this into The King's English, The King's English, huh? It's working on like way way in the other direction. Oh, we've got, we've got a king in England again. Yeah Queens dead having right now. Where have you been? All right, this is Savannah. Not fax number one, Swayze jumped out of a plane at least 55 times fact.

50:55 Number two. Yep Keanu, almost drowned fact, number three, a Bigelow fought for Kion. New. I'm gonna. So first of all, I'm going to tap in Vince if I need a phone, a friend here because this is like his favorite movie. So I'm going to just assume Vince. I think number three is true. This sounds like something Bigelow would do and you know, Keanu had made a few movies before this. Number one, sounds plausible to have to agree with that. Yeah, I'm gonna say Swayze diving out of a plane sounds like. So I just like, Patrick Swayze and I want to assume that my guy was was jumping out of planes but number two also sounds plausible that that Reeves could have almost drowned because it just it lines up with his ineptitude in this movie at being a good FBI agents. Oh, Man, I don't know.

51:45 It seems like the bigger star, so you have to, you have to weigh this against like would the with the production? Let him jump out of an airplane 55 times. Or would they be like, you know, would there be an insurance guy there? Being like you can't do this. This is true, this weird. It was in a pre Cruise jumping out of planes world, so the insurance may have had more to say about it at the time. All right, on on Vince's caveat here, I'm gonna go ahead and say One is the falsehood Brad Nagi that came really close. I almost lost Bob but Vince. Damn good-looking, who iced. I knew I steered him wrong.

52:26 Yeah, good looking out. Number two, is the falsehood. Yeah, Vince. Come on, man. Sorry, I'm sorry. I mean, I was with you. I think that it was definitely between the first two because it's like, sure he could have choked on some water like that. See, maybe that's why it should have been the obvious falsehood. Because it seems to plausible. So, here's the thing, Gary Busey said that, like, Patrick literally, was constantly trying to get him to jump out of a plane with him. It's just, that sounds like the best thing in the world Gary Busey. Like, not, not like jumping out of the same time but being like the co do you handle? Yeah. But apparently, they actually went skydiving together after the, the movie was completed.

53:10 That's all I could see its. I wanted to do a caveat for In correctly, identifying this as being pre Gary Busey motorcycle accident, that was actually like three years earlier, I could see Gary Busey be like, hey man, I already crushed my skull. Once I don't think I want to jump out of an airplane. Maybe not interested. Yeah, at least until the pay check clears. All right, Vince, this is one of your favorite films. I want to just turn the floor over to you a little bit here. When you look at Point Break in the Canon of awesome action movies, Like, where is this one Landing for you. And why is this one so significant? And like, you know, we were talking a little bit off? Are you mentioning that you think this movie actually started a trend?

53:53 So I'm interested to hear more about like why this one is so special to you, I do. I mean, well, first of all if you've ever seen Hot Fuzz which I think is an excellent movie, there's like a very like direct homage to Point Break where you know he's looking at he's watching Point Break and like the whole third Act of Hot Fuzz is very clearly like inspired Bye Point Break, but also, this is the week, I don't know when you guys are posting this, but this is, this is the week of release of fast 10, the 10th Fast and the Furious movie. And so that's clearly like one of our most influential action franchises and if you go back and watch the first Fast and the Furious movie, it really is Point Break with cars.

54:36 Like it is the exact same format. The characters are the same. It's a A cop that's trying to infiltrate a gang of you know, cool Street Racers like this movie is clearly very influential to a lot of the people making action movies these days and it's also just really great. I think for me that was kind of the takeaway that I had walking away from Point Break was like this very easily could be like a seed a C+ movie. That nobody would ever watch again. That has like a 6.1 on IMDb, right?

55:18 And yet there's something about the movie that goes so hard and feels authentic. Like, and I think it comes back to Patrick Swayze, but I like to use this word what I'm talking about things. I like a lot. This movie just feels sincere. Mmm, like yeah, it feels incredibly sincere and Earnest like it. Wants you to enjoy the movie. And I think that that's something that a lot of directors could learn from. And I think that's where, like, Bigelow shines the most in this, you know, as the Director of this film. Yeah. I also think like a lot of the best action, movies are ones where the villain is like kind of, right? Like the where the villain has like a very compelling argument and you know, bodhi's whole monologue about, you not wanting to be like these people stuck in there, whatever Steel. You know, there's still coffins going to work everyday, like he's convincing you that the rat race sucks and he's kind of right about that.

56:21 And there's also a lot of movies where, you know, like the cop procedural format is popular for a reason because it has like a very obvious like beginning and end. And you're trying to solve a mystery, but most of the time when they're doing that it ends up being about how like cops are cool. You know, this movie like Keanu is Is like, he's an FBI agent and he does his job, but he he clearly get seduced by some of bodis ideas and it sort of, and it makes him treat his job with the proper amount of distance. I think like he, he lets in the end he lets Bodie go and, you know, and die on this on this wave.

57:06 And on his own terms. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's like the key philosophy. The movie right? Is that this culture Doesn't allow people to live life as they would actually live it, if they had freedom. And you know, Bodie is allowed to ride off into the sunset, if you will. Yeah, they're all searching for their little piece of freedom. And that's sort of, you know, Pappas the Gary Busey's character. Like, he sort of represents what happens. If you go the other direction and you sort of become, you come become jaded and cynical and and you find your, you find your moments of happiness in like boy, this Calvin and Hobbes is fun. Yeah, yeah, give me a meatball sub. Yeah, guy can eat that sand out of a rhinoceros right now. He's, he's just gorging.

57:51 And he's enjoying stupid things because that is his only release and Keanu has found this whole other thing that serves him much better in that way. So Brad, I want to go back to something. You were saying a bit ago about Kathryn Bigelow's Direction, and the overall Vibe of this movie being very sincere and honestly, kind of sweet. For a movie with pretty brutal violence like it has that sort of Lethal Weapon, Die Hard style violence in it, but the heart of the movie is a very sincere beating heart. And I think that like, you know, earlier I was comparing this to a Michael Bay movie and I feel like that's honestly like one of the bigger points of Disconnect between this and a Michael Bay movie. I think based movies are all incredibly cynical and they author.

58:38 All kind of mean spirited and I love Michael like ambulance, one of my Favorite theatrical experiences of the last year, it was ridiculous and dumb and fun and I loved it but it didn't have the sort of sincerity and earnestness that a movie like this did. Yeah. I've had this theory for a long time that everyone in a Michael Bay movie is either a slut or a clown like that he divides the entire world into like either you are sexually attractive or you are like a funny loser and that sort of like it sort of holds through like every single character. Dirt a Michael Bay movie, like you wouldn't really find a Bodhi in a Michael Bay movie because he's yeah, there's like I agree.

59:22 There's like a level of earnestness that you probably don't get in any of those Vince. That is the most incredible opening line to a David Fincher, movie I've ever heard in my life. Everyone in the world is either a slut. Iraq loud in the future. Alright. So I've praised Bigelow a little bit forgiving this movie, it's sincerity, but at the same time Brad if I'm being frank, I do think that the Bigelow of 2009 would have directed this movie better than the Bigelow of 1991. Because you know especially unlike the opening minutes of the movie when they show the very first bank robbery, there is so much like rapid editing that it gave me Whiplash.

1:00:12 And it was Most incoherent. And I think that as the movie goes on, you get used to the rhythm of the film. And so it's not entirely on her. I think it's on the editing a little bit too, but I just one of the things we love so much, about The Hurt Locker, was that even in these kind of big open, you know, roads and burnt-out shell doubt, Middle Eastern cities. You always had a sense of geography, and I feel like in this movie, it takes a long time for Bigelow to kind of establish, some of those things. Yeah, I'm 100% with you. I think that what you're seeing here is a young director who's like getting her feet under her. And I love going back to movies like this in a director's catalog because it gives you an opportunity to see their growth, you know, like like we're not interested in people just being the capital O oscar-winning directors.

1:01:05 Like I am interested in seeing them when they're still figuring things out. And so the I think this movie stands is a really cool. Adamant to the talent that she already had that, you know, Hollywood recognized and was like, Hey like we need to get this girl behind the camera and then that eventually led to her not just being behind the camera, but being up on stage receiving, an Oscar. Well, I mean, In fairness, like this was her fourth, or fifth movie as a director. She'd been making movies for over a decade already at this point. So, I, you know, I think in a lot of ways, this movie is just kind of Trapped in 1991, and she was a little bit swayed. By some of the stylistic choices that were like, this movie does have a lot of Lethal Weapon in it.

1:01:47 It just really does. It has a lot of Die Hard in it. It's die hard on a beach and in a lot of ways, I mean you got a hot naked woman that throws a pit bull at you in the middle of like a Chase sequence so you don't really get that anymore. That's what we are. Missing in Hollywood movies today. If I was to say that the early the like late 80s, early 90s nudity, he definitely threw me for a loop for a second. I was like, wait, are you allowed to do that? Ya know, every every like late 80s to mid 90s action movie, just had like surprise boobs at some point size, boobs, Vince. You need to be on every episode man. I mean, remember Demolition Man or he's like we're like Sylvester, Stallone gets like a call on the video phone which was like, you know, that was all. Is the future right?

1:02:39 A video of right and like his he just gets a random wrong number which apparently is still somehow still a thing in the the video phone future and it seems like a naked lady. Like, I go. Yeah. They're my example, is always the very first National Lampoon's Vacation, where not only do you get Christie Brinkley naked, but then they have a random shot of Beverly D'Angelo in the shower. Just be a naked for no reason, you know, it's the 80s, man. Everyone has to be naked. Yeah, you just had to have one in there. Or somewhere. Otherwise people I have no one's gonna see this. If the people are expecting that we can't let him down, all right? I have one more question for you guys and it's about the very end of the movie. So setting aside the preposterousness of the plot like Keanu Reeves has purposely allowed Patrick Swayze to to Globetrotter for a year and so that he can, he can catch this wave in Australia.

1:03:31 And his plan is basically, to let him go out on his own terms. And, you know, all these FBI guys are like, what the hell did you do? What are you doing here? Why are you gonna let him Surf? And he goes, no one can survive that. And it's this cool way of sending off his character and you think there's going to be this nice little fade out and then in true late 80s. Early 90s brutality fashion like they cut back that way. One more shot of the ocean crushing Patrick, Swayze to death, and then they fade out like just the most unnecessary final shot of a movie I've ever seen. I feel like it's completely Necessary. I feel like he let him, I don't think he let him go to serve to, like, Globetrotter on purpose. It was just he he knew that he'd failed at that point, as an FBI agent because he couldn't shoot this guy that he was to infatuated with.

1:04:23 So he lets him get away and he's been kicking himself for it this entire time, you know? And so he goes and finds him on the beach and, you know, he lets them, he lets him surf himself to death, but he doesn't let him get away. It's sort of sure. It's sort of finds the middle. On there and I think if you watch like the Fast and the Furious that is sort of like the oops all frosting version of Point Break where like, you know, like what if the cop just went fully native and they became best buddies and they started like cool gang together, like right that, you know, like this was an effort to give it some like fatalism and you know some reality to it some consequences.

1:05:03 Yeah, some consequences. Well, I guess I'm so used to like in 2023 Me when everything is IP driven and everything is setting itself up for a sequel. I just love that. Kathryn Bigelow's like know and also just in case you might be expecting a sequel crushed to death by a wave. Yeah. That this is a yeah, but when characters are characters, you know, they can die when their IP that's just like flushing your nft down the toilet. Yeah, I'm not gonna can't do that. I was just say, though, if this is the Fast and the Furious franchise, he would come back somehow. He was yes, like Somehow someway a clone of him, or I like, I don't know, somehow, Patrick Swayze would make it back into the movies. And by the way, like, well, you know, we talked about Johnny Utah and that being like, an awesomely ridiculous action. Movie character named, like, the reason you have to see the Remake is they try to explain why he's named Johnny Utah, which is hilarious.

1:05:59 Like Luke bracelet. He's this like Australian hunk plays Johnny Utah. And at one point, he has like a very serious monologue where he's like, the Utah Ah, it's from it's actually native American from from the Ute Indian. It means it means mountain people. I guess that's why I was so good on the, slopes the writing is impeccable as dumb as you think. The original Point Break is like the the sequel just takes it. So many levels further also Brad you know just before we go to our final segment of the day I do have to remind both of us that as ridiculous as we think the name. I'm Johnny Utah is our given names are Bob book and Brad G like these are these are fictional names if I've ever heard that, I don't know what you're talking about.

1:06:50 Bob I have the greatest name in the history of famous. All right guys, it is time for our final segment of the day which we call. Let's make it a double we near the end of the episode. So thanks for listening to the film and whiskey show the spare another film with this one. Even if it's struggle, it's a final segment of the day. Now let's make it a double. Let's make it. A double is the part of the show, where we pick a movie to pair up with this one to make the perfect double feature guys, I'll just get mine out of the way real quick. I've been talking about these Michael Bay movies. I'm going to go with a Michael Bay knock. Off movie, which is 1997's, I think Con Air, which is a movie that is equally as Preposterous as this and equally as incoherent in Parts, both from a plot standpoint and from a like editing standpoint. And I just think that there is a certain level of over-the-top drug-fueled supporting performances that we don't get any more and when you watch John Malkovich and Conair he's like matching jhansi McGinley beat for beat so I'm pairing. Us up with Conair, have a great ridiculous night of things happening on planes.

1:07:59 I think, for me, I'm going to go with the movie. I incorrectly said earlier earlier, I said the other guys, but what I meant to say was the nice guys. I think that that is one of the funniest movies and it has surprise boobs. So, it clearly a match for Point Break. I think the nice guys would be a great pairing for a really fun night. You said the other guys and I heard the nice guys. Anyway. Yeah I didn't even know where did that. I yeah, yeah I have three choices and I can't. I've already mentioned all of them. So I probably, you know, I've already stepped on this. But, you know, I think the Fast and the Furious is Point Break with cars.

1:08:41 It's like the same movie. It has the same DNA of like let's capitalize on this cool subculture by turning it into like a cops and robbers movie. Like that would be a great double. Sure, I also think Hot Fuzz just because it's, you know, a heavily references Point Break and it's just a really fun movie and, you know, just in general or we're big Edgar Wright fans on this pain. Yeah. Yeah. I am too. And and, and also the Point Break remake, which is just awesomely stupid, and I think there needs to be a serious reappraisal of that movie because it is, it's a fantastic bad, good.

1:09:24 Movie. Alright, so there you have it. Vince has given us a quadruple feature, call off work. Spend eight hours watching all these movies. Yeah, why not? Let's take a seat. Take a Saturday, good work your way through them. All right let's give this movie some final scores. Now Vince is your first time joining us. When we score out a movie, we give it a score one to ten. You can give half Point increments but nothing more granular than that. We're not going to be giving like an IMDb eight point six out of ten. So Brad Why don't you kick us off? What do you give in Point Break? I think that Point Break is. It's truly a really fun little movie from the 90s that reaches higher than its script should allow it to.

1:10:08 I think that this is like a six and a half to seven movie that somehow just it it moves itself in a way that I was really impressed with, I will give it a seven and a half out of ten. I'm gonna go ahead and give it an 8 out of 10 and it's one of those eights that's like we've given Capital oh Oscar winners. An 8 out of 10 and they are like they're shooting for something bigger than what this movie is shooting. For this movie is like almost as good as a movie like this can be and I think to your point Brad you put anybody else in the Patrick Swayze roll. This is like a six-and-a-half movie I think Swayze by himself takes this movie up to being an 8 out of 10 for me. So Vince I just To see Sylvester Stallone in that rule, but with a blond wig though.

1:10:58 Yes. But that means we would have bearded Stallone back and as we all know, bearded Stallone is the most attractive still of this is objectively. True, it's science. All right, Vince, what are you coming out to on point break? I can't think of any reason not to give it a 10 so I'm going to have to give it a 10. I feel like there's so many classic action movies from this period like Die Hard. Lethal Weapon. Lethal Weapon 2 but I feel like I would rather watch re-watch Point Break than almost any of them. It's just it's it's classic for being kind of dumb and it's classic for, being way better than it should be.

1:11:39 It's just yeah, it's just, it's a ball of fun. I love it. Vince, I have to say you are the first guest who's ever just like stuck to his guns. Like we've had so many people come on and be like, yeah, absolutely. Love this movie and and Bob and I are like, yeah, sure. It's like seven f8. And they're like, yeah, it's a eight and a half. No, Vince comes in here and he's like, 10 out of 10. I love this movie. That is the energy we want on the film and whiskey podcast. You know, I bet it's been 27 years, six years. Yeah. 27 years or something like that since it came out. And yeah.

1:12:21 And I still love it. Like what's it stand? This tent is withstood the test of time and I feel like there's no there's no better measure of quality than that. Yeah, 100% man. All right, as we wind down today Vince I want to give you the opportunity to plug anything that you have coming up. Tell us a little bit about your sub stack and where we can find you. You can find my sub stack at Vince Mancini, dotsub stack.com. Like I said, I asked an AI to write a scene from That's Amore and I think it think they did a superb job. But I also have a couple of podcasts pod yourself a gun, was our podcast about The Sopranos. We Go episode by episode and talk about each of them with you know a celebrity guest.

1:13:04 And we finished all of The Sopranos and we are doing a sequel, second season of that, which is called pod yourself the wire on the same feed. Yeah. So go check those out Vince. It has been an Pleasure having you. You know, we've had a ton of guests on this podcast. It's pretty rare that somebody comes on and just like immediately gets the vibe of the show like team wouldn't it like truly seamless we had to take a break about 10 minutes into recording folks. So Vince could in his words pull some peel off off of the stove which is about to do it and insanely specific request but as he was getting his pilaf, I just Brad and I were just like man, this guy fits right in In the so like usually thank you so much for bringing the Vibes to filmin Whiskey today, man.

1:13:56 Oh, thank you for having me. I had a great time. All right. We will be back next week as we transition out of Kathryn Bigelow and into the early 1930s to do. Our first series of at least, some of them are silent films. We're going to be looking at the films of Charlie Chaplin Brad with 1931 s City Lights which is regarded as perhaps chaplains, Masterpiece. Join us for that one. It's gonna be really interesting. Going to dive into a silent movie and so we'll see you next week for that. But until then, I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie, and I'm Vincent Mancini, and we'll see you next time.