O Brother, Where Art Thou? / Maker's Mark Cask Strength

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In the year, 2000, the Coen
brothers in Star.

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George Clooney gave the rotor
winding tail.

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The man determined to find his
way back home in 2023.

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We take a return trip to
Kentucky, for some Cask

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strength.
Goodness, the film is O Brother.

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Where Art Thou?
The whiskey is Makers, Mark?

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Cask strength and will review
them.

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Both.
This is the filling whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and

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this week Brad were kicking off
three weeks of the Coen

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Brothers.
Specifically Of their broad kind

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of farcical comedies when you
pick a directing Duo, like, the

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Coen Brothers, it's kind of hard
to narrow down.

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They have such a great
filmography.

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I think this is our third Coen
Brothers film on the show and so

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because of that we'd already
knocked out Fargo and No Country

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for Old Men and we were like,
well let's do some of the

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comedies.
I'm really excited to get into

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these because if I'm being frank
I think the Cohen comedies are

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the ones that I struggle the
most To put into context.

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I don't know if that makes
sense, but like, with their

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dramas, they're very clear about
what the message is.

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And with the comedies, it just
always seems like they, they're

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worshiping Randomness and chaos
and chance.

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And at the end of every one of
these movies, just like at the

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end of every Shakespeare comedy,
everybody gets married at the

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end of every Coen comedy,
somebody just like throws their

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hands up in the air and says,
like, what was this all about?

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And someone else's like, I don't
know.

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And then the movie ends He's
like, I don't get it is the

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movie about the randomness.
Is that the point?

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And, and so yeah, I'm rambling
at this point, but I'm excited

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to watch these three movies and
try to figure out what it's all

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about, Brad.
Yeah.

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I mean, the ending of this movie
as we get into spoiler territory

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very quickly here, it's just
perfect the way you know, most

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Adventures are like hey somebody
gives you a quest and you know,

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in this case it's go get our
wedding ring.

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And he goes and gets it and, you
know, Anders this flood.

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And so it actually wasn't in the
roll-top desk where I told you,

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it was it was, it might have
been under the mattress or

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something, but we can't get
married until you get it.

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Yes, it's brilliant.
And and funny.

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And this is going to be a
recurring theme.

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As we talk about the cohens, but
one of the themes of their whole

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filmography is the importance of
Randomness and chance.

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And the way that Double things
happen to you know, the best

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laid plans, go awry, it happened
in Fargo, it happened in No

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Country for Old Men.
Like it's very obviously, the

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Coen Brothers calling card but
it's it's so interesting

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sometimes to watch them.
I don't know.

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Try to have it both ways where
they like worship chaos, but

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they also have like a very clear
moral point to make.

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And I think this movie, it
definitely, like, if those are

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the two extremes, it definitely
Falls more on the randomness and

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Chance side.
Like there are definitely some,

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some morals to the story here.
But at the end of the day it's

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kind of just like, yeah, we're
just going to make a farcical

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adaptation of the Odyssey and
set it in Mississippi and it's

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going to be really funny.
And that's good enough.

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Yeah.
I mean, I think there might be a

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little more to the film than
that.

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Sure.
But, you know, we can get into

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that as we move ahead.
All right.

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Morejon into the unknown.
I, you know, I feel like I've

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already gotten us off track here
a little bit.

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How are you doing, man?
Oh dude, I'm doing killer.

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Yeah, it's it's early January.
We've gotten all the holidays

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behind us, my wife and I are
like as most people do, we are

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dieting.
We are staying away from sugar

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or like staying away from
spending money because we're

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just like for us depriving
yourself of every good thing in

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life right now.
Yes.

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Because starting on November
2nd.

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We go birthday birthday.
NG birthday wedding anniversary.

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Christmas New Year's.
Oh gosh, yeah.

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And it's just two straight
months of about decadence, it's

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just, it's just a lot.
So January is a nice nice month

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to, like, not travel anywhere.
Not talk to anybody.

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Don't spend any money, it's a
good time.

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Well, I'm glad you're making
time to talk to me and to filmin

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That has listened to us for five
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They were like, you know what

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Three bucks a minute, he's guys

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Then I, you can, I will be

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flabbergasted.
Yeah, yeah, but but it's going

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to happen.
I'm going to speak it into

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existence right now, man, dude.
Yea, you speak your truth pop.

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All right, let's get into Brad
explains.

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This is the part of the podcast,
where Brad breaks down the plot

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of the movie that he has just
seen often for the first.

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Time.
Brad.

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This was not your first time
seeing O Brother Where Art Thou

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and I say that because we've had
some discussion about this movie

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before.
Yeah.

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I the first time I ever saw this
movie, I was pretty.

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This is one of those experiences
where you go over to like

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family's house and they put on a
movie and your parents are kind

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of like probably didn't want you
to watch it but they're not

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going to be like sticklers you
know, while there with your

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cousins and stuff.
So I remember being in Grade

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size, probably ten, I'd probably
just turned 11 years old.

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Actually I had because we were
in California visiting my cousin

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and it had been the first time
I've ever flown and it was just

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this awesome trip and we watched
O Brother Where Art Thou?

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And let me tell you Bob as an
eleven-year-old this movie makes

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little to no sense.
And yet I still remember going

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back to it in college at some
point with a ton of fond

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memories, I just remember
thinking this is a really Funny

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movie.
So all that to say, this is

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probably my third or fourth time
watching it and I, I just this

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is probably one of my
higher-rated comedies.

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I think this movie is so so
funny.

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Well, I have many things to say,
but before we get into those

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things Brad, you have 60 seconds
on the clock to try to break

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down the sheer.
I don't know chaos of this movie

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and go go read The Odyssey man.
Just do it real quick.

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Have you ever read The Odyssey?
I have not read The Odyssey and

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the funny thing is neither had
the Coen brothers, when they

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wrote movie.
So I got like, 30 seconds left.

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Yeah, go ahead.
George Clooney is trying to

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escape the prison yard and he
brings his chain gang mates with

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him and they go on adventures
and they get betrayed by a bunch

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of different people and they
make a bunch of money along the

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way and lose it, and they
somehow become famous singers,

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and in the end.
There is no treasure to be

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found.
Other than that of George.

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Finding his way back to his wife
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The real treasure was the
friendships.

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We've made along the way.
Am I right?

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I mean that actually, that
actually might be the case here.

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Okay, I want to go back to
something.

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We said before, Brad explains.
And then you got to remind me to

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come back to the thing about the
Odyssey.

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So, okay, earlier, you were
talking about, you know, seeing

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this movie when you were like 11
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It came out, you know, when we
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And all I remember about this,
Is that it didn't make a ton of

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money at the box office but it
kind of like snaked its way into

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white people culture in a very
interesting way that things used

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to do in the late 90s and early
2000s, like do member for a year

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when everyone got really big
into like swing dancing again in

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the late 90s and that science.
Remember that song like Zoot

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Suit Riot that came out like
everyone was into swing dancing

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for like a year and then
everyone was done with that and

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then it was like, yeah.
Ricky Martin came out and we

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were all into like vaguely Latin
sounding music.

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And then this movie comes out
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goes freaking bananas.
It gives nominated for a ton of

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Grammys and actually might have
won album of the year at the

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Grammys.
I can't quite remember but, you

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know, I'm a man of constant
sorrow ends up, getting radio,

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play on on mainstream radio
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It was a very weird time.
It hit number one on the

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billboard.
Yeah dude, yeah, so that's what

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I'm saying.
All I remember about this.

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V having not seen it.
When I was young was the weird

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cultural impact that it had far
after the movie was out of

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theaters because it was not like
an Oscar e movie.

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So the pop culture impact was
mostly from the music of it.

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And I just like, every time I
think about this movie, I think

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about the fact that like, I felt
like I was surrounded by it in

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every facet, except for the
movie itself, dude, do you want

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to know why the music got?
Bueller.

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It's really good because it
freaking Slappy Birds really

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good.
Yeah, absolutely incredible.

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Do you remember it having like a
moment there in pop culture?

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No, I had zero connection to pop
culture.

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I don't remember the Ricky,
Martin moment, I don't remember

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the swing bands year of 98, Bob,
apparently, remembers it quite

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fondly.
I do I do I was there at their

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swing dancing?
Yeah.

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No, I must not be quite as
connected to pop culture.

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Has you Bob?
All right.

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Well, I just made a really long
rambling .44, no payoff.

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Awesome.
You're welcome tell me about the

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Odyssey.
So this is the thing.

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I've never read The Odyssey and
I'm going to be honest about

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that.
It's one of those things that I

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probably should have read at
some point, but, you know, you

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know, the general bones of the
story and the word Odyssey has

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entered into the vernacular.
Like we understand what it

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means.
Hmm.

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No interest in researching the
movie.

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I remember that.
There is a cyclops in The

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Odyssey and I remember the
sirens and so, like I can tell

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what the beats are that they're
hitting, but having not read The

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Odyssey.
I was really tickled to see that

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the cohens very prominently
said, hey, we also didn't read

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the Odyssey, we just kind of
figured like everyone knows this

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stuff.
So we're just going to make a

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story based on that and to the
point where the only person on

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set that had read The Odyssey
was the actor, Tim Blake Nelson.

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So they were kind of just like
Bouncing ideas off him like Hey

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does this sound vaguely?
Like the Odyssey and I think

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it's so great because the cohens
are in a lot of ways.

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I think the great chroniclers of
American stories.

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And I don't mean like
quote-unquote like the Great

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American novel but all of their
stories seem like these American

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fables or fairy tales where the
average person gets taught, a

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moral lesson.
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like, you know, the the
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Every single one of their movies
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really unique and honest way.
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hilarious, that the American
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quintessentially American in
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It never read The Odyssey, like
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that.
I mean you are 100% correct.

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The Odyssey is a wonderful story
Bob and you should go read it

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sometime.
Okay, cool.

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Now I in my ninth grade English
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I kept telling my teacher mrs.
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We were reading.
We're crappy and said she was

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like, fine.
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The Iliad, then all LED and
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I'll just let you not.
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the semester and I think she
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rest of the semester read them
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I read then each in like a week
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have to do anything.
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that is how the most Brad G
story I've ever heard right now.

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You know where you told the
person who was more educated

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than you, hey, the things, you
pick our crappy?

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Where have I heard that before?
Who's to say?

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All right, man, let's get into
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About the movie itself.
And I guess let's start with the

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performances because we're going
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all here in a little bit.
The star of this movie is George

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Clooney.
This was his first collaboration

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of for to this point with the
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One of the most charismatic and
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Presences of the last, I don't
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when I, when I watch a George
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Now, I realize how far we've
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Alan I guess in the last 10 12
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just don't have Leading Men
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No, no.
And who could be in this movie

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today?
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Charisma of a George Clooney.
I mean, Chris Hemsworth made.

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No, not Hemsworth, who's the
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too, he's too pretty and I mean
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he makes himself a buffoon.
I don't Chris Evans, making

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himself a buffoon.
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general than there used to be.
I don't know if George Clooney

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is quite, as big of a star's.
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he is our closest analog.
I'm letting like Cary Grant in

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the modern era.
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charming and beautiful and has

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an incredible Credible stage
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self-deprecating.
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Grant was able to to do a
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like the idiot in a scene.
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Northwest again the other day
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of the movie, right after he
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they dumped a whole bottle of
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drunk for the next 15 minutes of
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It's just delightful, he's so
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And yeah, you're right George
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It like is frequently compared
And called this Generations,

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Cary, Grant.
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because he's equal parts, Dapper
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And I love that about him, dude.
The way that he takes the hit

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from good, John Goodman, like he
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It is like, so utterly confused
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He's like wait a second.
We were having a conversation,

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and that's where I when he did
when Bell when Goodman hits Tim

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Blake Nelson with The hit the
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And he goes, what's going on
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Wait, we blink.
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Blake Nelson like runs after him
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like jumps onto this.
George is just sitting there

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watching the whole thing.
Oh man, it's brilliant.

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So I think that's a good, you
know, we're still talking

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performances here, but I think
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talk about the structure.
The movie a little bit and

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because it is, you know, I guess
episodic is the right way to

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describe it.
Like it's just a collection of

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little vignettes of them
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person and you watch their
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that person and then they say
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the next thing and this is
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come back to time and time
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They do it, I guess the most
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movie, The Ballad of Buster
Scruggs which is just, I don't

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know how many six or Seven,
completely unconnected vignettes

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and and like you kind of get
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And I think that's why, that's
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like this movie has a point and
yet, it provides so much great

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comic pay off because every
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builds to a punch line or some
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moment.
And in a lot of cases, you know,

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Clooney and or Tim play, Nelson.
Are the people that execute

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that?
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Nelson is just incredible in
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I think he might be my favorite
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He just has a way of being so
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delivery that he has, for every
line that I just, I love him.

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I think John.
Turturro also does a spectacular

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job but I don't know, I guess.
Yes, if I just had to boil it

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down.
Bob, I think that these three

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actors Turturro Clooney and
Nelson are incredible together.

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Oh, absolutely.
It's such a great pairing.

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I think this is only our second
John Turturro movie after do the

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right thing and which really
sucks because he's such a great

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actor and he's been in so many
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But it's so good to see him
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And he's one of those actors
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him.
That I don't think he gets

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enough credit for how.
Currently he plays each role

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like you're so used to being
like Oh it's John Turturro he

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looks like that he's like you
know he's like a tall stretched

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out, Steve Buscemi like here,
just suck, you know what I mean?

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And he and both of those actors
I feel like have so much nuance

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and depth to their performances
but because, you know, they just

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look like what they look like in
the last movie, you kind of

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forget how much Nuance is there.
And it's kind of the same thing

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with Tim Blake Nelson to they're
just really, really good actors

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and yet the cohens play Up The
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appearance here as they do in a
lot of their movies.

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Yeah, that's something that
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She's like, do you think that
these people just know that they

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are not very attractive people,
especially in the in the

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hogwallop scene where Turturro
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Yep.
And she's like she literally

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just said, she's like, do you
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casting call for like tall
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Amen.
And I was like, yeah, I probably

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did.
Dude, your wife pulls absolutely

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no punches, like, no, she
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attractive then, like, it is a
fact that that person is ugly.

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Yeah.
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She is a little bit ruthless.
Truly.

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All right.
So that's our main Trio and then

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there's a whole cast of
supporting characters who I

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don't even know if I want to
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because they're mostly like
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We've already mentioned one of
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Collaborator with the cohens
John Goodman I think Brad.

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This is our first-ever John
Goodman movie, which is even

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crazier to say because I don't
think we've reviewed Monsters

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Inc on this podcast yet.
And so that was the only other

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one that I could think of John
Goodman is a guy that every so

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often.
You know, when I'm scrolling

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mindlessly on Twitter that
somebody just reminds the rest

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of the world, John Goodman's
never been up for an Oscar.

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John Goodman's never won an
Oscar, he's one of our great

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living actors.
And this is this is no

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different.
This is John Goodman playing

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ridiculous and playing
intimidating and it is just

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wonderful.
I think he has one of the best

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voices in Hollywood.
Like he just has this this depth

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and rumbling this to it that
just like reverberates through

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your soul and it's absolutely
incredible.

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What do you think of the actual
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I think he does a great job.
I think that with the small role

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that they gave him, he really
has a way of just drawing you in

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and sucking the camera away from
Clooney.

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Hmm.
And, you know, and he says it

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from the start, he basically
tells him that he's a fast

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talker that he sells Bibles
that, you know.

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He the thing that I didn't
understand I was like, I don't

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know how often this would
happen, but like the idea of

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somebody coming up to you and be
like, hey, do you want to just

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take your lunch out and have a
picnic with Me.

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Hmm.
It's seems like a strange type

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of thing but in the Coen
Brothers World why not?

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The know I think I think Goodman
is really really wonderful in

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this.
I just don't think they give him

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a ton to work with, right?
I do have a question for you,

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though.
Bob.

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Yeah.
Go for it.

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Pappy O'Daniel.
Yep.

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Is, is he in Monsters Inc?
Charles Durning.

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Yeah, I feel like he's the bad
guy in the end.

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Now that runs the company.
No, that's James Coburn.

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That's the guy that was in The
Great Escape that plays

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Waterloo.
Yeah.

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So, Charles Durning, this is
probably like our third, or

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fourth Charles Durning movie,
great character, actor, you

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might remember him as like the
head cop or FBI guy, From Dog

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Day Afternoon, he is also the
head cop that they kind of screw

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over at the end of the movie.
The Sting, I don't know if

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you've seen the movie Tootsie,
he has a great role in that as

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well.
Yeah, I think he's so good in

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this movie, in fact, Brad, I was
just looking as you were, as you

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were talking here to try to find
the other guy like the guy he's

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running against Homer Stokes.
Yeah, I'm his name is Wayne

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Duval.
I actually think he might have

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been my favorite.
In this whole movie because he

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is, he's so believable in that
role of super slimy politician.

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Hmm.
And and like to the point where

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it's not even a funny farce of a
politician.

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It's like a believable.
Slimy politician.

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Yeah.
The when he grabs the mic and

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starts like, you know, telling
the crowd that they need to

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arrest the Soggy Bottom, Boys.
You just feel the booze just the

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Like like coming off of him to a
point where you're like, oh I

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could see a politician in 1930s,
Mississippi saying these exact

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say it like this doesn't feel
like a movie anymore.

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Alright, so because there are so
many people to talk about, I

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guess the only other one that we
probably should mention is Holly

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Hunter who plays George
Clooney's, estranged wife, she

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is freaking wonderful.
We will see her again next week

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and Raising Arizona where she
gives one of the best Cohen

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performances.
Ever.

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She's really good in this movie
but again, you're right.

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Brad.
I don't even want to say that

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these actors are not given a lot
to work with because they are

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given fully-realized characters.
It's just that they're asked to

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make a cameo and then say
goodbye.

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And so like I actually think
it's like to the credit of the

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actors.
They leave quite an impression

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but they leave a five-minute
impression if that makes sense.

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No 100%.
I think that what the Coen

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Brothers do best in this film
Because the use this almost a

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serialized, then yet structure,
they allow each section of the

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movie To Shine for what it needs
to be.

447
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:10,500
And they give each actor in
those sequences opportunities to

448
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:14,400
really dig their teeth into the
parts that they have and then

449
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,700
they move on and, you know, and
they're totally fine.

450
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:19,600
And I think that the Coen
Brothers just really masterfully

451
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,600
weave their way through the
story with all these different

452
00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:25,600
Really phenomenal.
Actors.

453
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:30,900
If you had to pick like which
vignette or which, I don't know

454
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,500
Cameo, what part of the movie is
the funniest subplot to you.

455
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:39,800
Oh man.
What's the funniest subplot?

456
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,300
I don't know if it's necessarily
subplot but the the way the

457
00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:49,200
Dapper Dan hairnet, every time
he wakes up good Voom hair my

458
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:57,100
hair back, that kills me Ways as
damn we're in a tight spot over

459
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:59,800
and over over.
Those are literally two of my

460
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,400
notes.
Like I'm crossing them out now

461
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,200
because I don't need to mention
them and the whole being in the

462
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,400
drugstore we're here.
I don't want fop, damn it,

463
00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:11,500
whatever.
Damn man, it's so good.

464
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:16,500
I like I happen to like the
fragrance of my thing.

465
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:20,400
That's half the reason I use it.
I think one of my favorite lines

466
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,900
in the whole movie and I guess
subplots then is, when they get

467
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:26,200
picked up by By the bank robber
and they're driving down the

468
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,900
road with them.
And it's the day after Delmer,

469
00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:32,400
and Pete have gotten saved and
baptized and, and they're just

470
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,600
like sitting next to a giant bag
of money and he's like, oh, I

471
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,600
guess you guys aren't bad men?
And he's like, well, we used to

472
00:26:37,608 --> 00:26:40,600
be bad men, but now we're saved.
He's like, Ah, that's nice and

473
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,100
he's like, leans out the door
and says, hey, give me that gun.

474
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:47,400
He's handing the gun out the
window to him and he goes, what

475
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,300
line of work are you in George?
And then they just cut to a shot

476
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,800
of him, shooting him machine gun
at Police officers don't like

477
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,000
them.
It made me laugh so hard and I

478
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,900
love that.
I love that the cohens when

479
00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:04,800
they're not being mean to their
characters because I feel like

480
00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:09,600
there are a couple movies that
they make where I struggle with

481
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,100
how mean they are, to the
characters.

482
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,500
Hmm.
But this is not one of them, I

483
00:27:13,508 --> 00:27:16,700
feel like they have a
light-hearted fun with how

484
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:20,600
dim-witted these people are.
But there are certain aspects of

485
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,300
their personalities that they
take really, really seriously

486
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,600
and You know, we'll talk about
that a little bit in the back

487
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,300
half, but I think it's,
especially poignant the way that

488
00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:33,700
they really take Pete and dull
MERS morals and convictions.

489
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:38,000
Seriously, even if they are, the
dim-witted ones, and they show

490
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,100
that Clooney is the one who
really has no beliefs and no

491
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:43,600
convictions, and he's suffering
the most because of it.

492
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,000
And so I love that they balance
out the sort of, dim-witted

493
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,300
one-liners with a real respect
for and care for the people

494
00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:58,300
behind Those lines.
Yeah, I mean when whenever it

495
00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:02,600
and Del Mar, you know, finally
reunite with Pete, who's back on

496
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,700
the Chain Gang and they free him
and they bring them out like,

497
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:13,100
the the remorse and anguish that
John Turturro shows, you know,

498
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:18,400
because his character has ratted
on his friends, it brings the

499
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,300
entire movie together, it makes
all of these Journeys that

500
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:26,600
they've been on feel.
I'll authentic because he really

501
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,900
hates the fact that he ratted
out his friends and I think that

502
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:36,800
you're right that the cohens
allow their actors to portray

503
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:42,200
their characters in such a
sincere and honest manner that.

504
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:45,400
The funny parts are funny
because it's who they really are

505
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,600
and yet the serious parts are
are serious and important

506
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:53,500
because it really is these
characters embodying.

507
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:55,400
In the world that they're living
in.

508
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:57,400
All right man.
I think before we get too far

509
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,600
down this Rabbit Trail of doing
deep deep analysis on this very

510
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,200
silly movie we should hit pause.
And let's drink some whiskey

511
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:06,500
today.
We've got Makers Mark Cask

512
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:08,900
strength in front of us.
So what do you say we dive into

513
00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:11,200
this bread?
Let's get to it.

514
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,500
Alright.
Today, we are checking out

515
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:21,100
Makers, Mark, Cask strength,
Brad.

516
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:23,900
I think this is the third
expression of Maker's Mark that

517
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:26,900
we've had on the show.
We, we've done regular makers.

518
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:31,400
I think I know we did Makers 46
with, like one of our very first

519
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,200
episodes ever.
Yeah, I don't know if we've ever

520
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,000
done regular makers, I know.
Okay, yeah, I remember doing 46

521
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,300
but that might be it.
Huh?

522
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:40,600
Well.
Okay, so maybe this is just the

523
00:29:40,608 --> 00:29:42,800
second expression.
Of makers that we have done now,

524
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,900
it's been a long time is what
I'm saying.

525
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:50,300
This is probably the most
popular weeded bourbon on the

526
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:51,800
market.
Now, it's not the most

527
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,400
sought-after that would be
Weller, obviously or Pappy.

528
00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:58,600
But this is, I would say
pound-for-pound Brad like or

529
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,200
dollar for dollar the the most
popular one.

530
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,800
This stuff is always on store
shelves.

531
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,700
It's flying off the shelves and
beam suntory got themselves into

532
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,500
playing with the big boys here
by releasing a cask strength

533
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:13,200
version of this.
It's an ongoing release of this

534
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,300
is not any sort of special
release, but it does always kind

535
00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:18,800
of Jump Around in proof point.
I think it's like somewhere

536
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,100
between 108 and 114 all the
time.

537
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:25,900
The, the barrel that we are
sampling from today comes from

538
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:29,500
our friends Bourbon and stuff.
They sent us this sample, gosh

539
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:31,200
Brad a year and a half two years
ago.

540
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,300
Now, we've been sitting on it
for a long time and this one

541
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:40,400
clocks in at 110, .9 proof.
So I mean, just say 111 at this

542
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,900
point Akers Cask strength,
carries a 70% corn, 16% wheat

543
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:50,900
14%, malted barley, Mash bill.
It's not an age stated, so we're

544
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:52,700
going to guess that it's at
least four years old.

545
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:54,700
Brad.
I have no more to say about

546
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:56,900
this.
You have drunkenness, I have

547
00:30:56,900 --> 00:30:59,100
not, let's get into trying it
man.

548
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,900
Yeah.
The, the nose on this has a lot

549
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:07,400
of caramel, it gets into those
beautiful weeded notes of like

550
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,900
Cherry Cola vanilla.
And then, for me, it all Smelt

551
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:18,200
like I took a handful of votes
out of like the the Quaker Oats

552
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,200
I was going to say 10 but it's a
cardboard cylinder.

553
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:28,100
It's like you took out a handful
of loads and just shoved your

554
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:29,600
nose in it.
Yeah.

555
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,500
This is real floral.
And really dusty, it's kind of

556
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:35,300
what reminds me of like the what
I used to call the Willett Funk.

557
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,300
Like it's just got that really.
It just seems like if you could

558
00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:41,400
seal up, rose petals in a really
dusty.

559
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:43,200
A house.
That's what this kind of reminds

560
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,300
me of.
It's not like musty it doesn't

561
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:49,200
smell dank or anything like that
but those Cherry nodes are

562
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,600
definitely there Brad and it's
not like a jar of cherries in

563
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,200
syrup.
It's like a fresh dark cherry

564
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,200
really really nice.
Tons of wood on this too.

565
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,200
I wouldn't necessarily even say
that it gives off like an Okie

566
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,800
sent.
Maybe it's cherry wood, who

567
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,000
knows?
I have no idea but it's would,

568
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000
it's Cherry.
It's really floral and it's

569
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,500
dusty.
I like it a lot.

570
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:10,200
I'm going to give it an eight
and a half on the nose.

571
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,200
Yeah.
I I give it a 9 out of out of 10

572
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,500
on the nose.
As I got into the palette, the

573
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:19,600
Cherry Cola continued throughout
for me.

574
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,700
But then I got some dark
chocolate almost like a raisin,

575
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:28,700
e feel and then a little bit of
caramel to mix in with all that.

576
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,100
I thought this is a really great
palette.

577
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:32,600
Bob, I gave it an eight and a
half.

578
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,600
This is really good man.
I don't know how to explain this

579
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,900
but it's really oily and also
kind of thin, I don't know.

580
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:44,300
Like man.
How do I one way?

581
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:47,300
One might say that that's
antithetical yeah, it doesn't

582
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:48,900
seem super viscous.
Okay.

583
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:50,300
Like it.
And it's one of those things

584
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:53,800
where the alcohol is so
prominent that you know how like

585
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,500
the the really alcohol heavy
pallets seemed thinner because

586
00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:02,000
they've got that like like
spiciness to them it's like

587
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,500
that.
But then after I swallow it's

588
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:08,500
not a Aggressive finish and it
like, coats my tongue again, so

589
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,400
it's almost like The Best of
Both Worlds.

590
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,000
I will say that the alcohol in
this really does.

591
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:18,400
It's really prickly.
However, Every note you gave is

592
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,700
a fantastic.
Note like that raise any note

593
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:22,100
you got?
I almost get a little bit more

594
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:24,200
prune than just like straight
from reason.

595
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:29,400
But again it's like unsweetened
cherries and wood.

596
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,500
And man, I'm trying to pinpoint.
What?

597
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:36,300
This reminds me of.
I don't think it's it's Noah's

598
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:38,400
Mill.
What is this?

599
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,100
It's super duper good and like
this is significantly better

600
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:45,600
than I remember.
Regular Maker's, Mark being?

601
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,900
Yeah, I'm going.
It was a 9 out of 10.

602
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,000
Yeah for me it reminds me of
tiny bit with all the Cherry

603
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,400
going on of like a Widow Jane.
Mmm.

604
00:33:55,900 --> 00:34:01,200
But yeah I really like this Bob
on the finish, the oak started

605
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,500
to really come through.
Cherry was still there vanilla

606
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:09,000
and then it almost got a little
bit like almost like a

607
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:16,100
Sarsaparilla low beer kinda kind
of tanginess going on the house.

608
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:19,600
A really Big fan of and I stuck
in an eight and a half.

609
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,199
That's a great note because it
doesn't actually taste like root

610
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,199
beer but it tastes like what
happens after you swallow a Big

611
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:31,000
Gulp of root beer.
It's really weedy and it's Tangy

612
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,900
10.
He's a fantastic word for this

613
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:35,600
like the oak doesn't turn
bitter.

614
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:40,199
It turns Tangy and there's like
almost a wisp of smoke that

615
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:41,699
comes out of it to on the
Finish.

616
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:45,199
But again like a never turns
bitter and I think that's

617
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,900
something that the last few
whiskies I've had over the last

618
00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:51,300
few weeks, I feel like the oak
on the on both of those

619
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:53,900
Whiskey's whatever they were,
they turned bitter.

620
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,600
This one doesn't turn bitter, it
turns weedy and I really like

621
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,100
that.
I'm once again I'm going to give

622
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:02,700
this oh gosh an eight and a half
out of ten.

623
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:06,500
Yeah on balance.
I'm gonna give it a 9 out of 10.

624
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:10,400
I think this is really complex
and flavorful throughout the

625
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,500
entire experience.
Bob, I am such a big fan of

626
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:15,400
this.
Yeah man, I'm right there with

627
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,300
you.
I think I'm also going to give

628
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:17,900
it a nine.
I'm almost tempted to give it a

629
00:35:17,908 --> 00:35:20,800
nine and a half.
This is really, really good.

630
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,600
Super consistent throughout.
I would say that I would guess

631
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,700
that this was higher than 110.
If you just put it in front of

632
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:31,600
me and didn't tell me the proof,
it's a little bit aggressive

633
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,100
with the alcohol, not harsh, but
just really prominent like it

634
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:39,100
leads with the alcohol.
So if you're used to, your

635
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:41,400
high-proof alcohol is being more
of a slow burn.

636
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,900
This is not that this is like a
firecracker and And I really

637
00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:48,100
like it but I think I'm trying
to give it a bit of a disclaimer

638
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:50,300
here so it's not dinging
anything for me.

639
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:52,600
But I think I am just going to
give it a 9 out of 10 on the

640
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,300
balance.
Yeah and then that nine out of

641
00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:58,500
ten that'll show them.
Just Justin.

642
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:03,700
I'm just a nine Bob.
This whiskey will set you back

643
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:07,800
in the Grand Old State of Ohio,
$45.

644
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,700
This is a fantastic value at
$45.

645
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,700
Yeah, I gave it an 8 out of 10
on value.

646
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,100
I can't really think of a lot of
Whiskey's that retail for less

647
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:21,600
than 45, or at 45 that I think
are better than this.

648
00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:24,000
Like this is exactly right in
line.

649
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,300
With the wild turkey Rare Breed
never have read.

650
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:30,700
That's the only other one that I
mean, because even like old

651
00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:33,300
Forester 1920, that's like $60
now.

652
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,400
Yeah.
And this is, at least as good as

653
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,900
that is.
And it's yeah, twenty dollars

654
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:41,900
cheaper or Dollars cheaper.
I'm going to give it a 9 out of

655
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:44,000
10.
This is damn good.

656
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,200
Yeah, I'm 100% with you 9 out of
10.

657
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,500
I am coming out to a 44 out of
50 Robert.

658
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:56,000
I am coming out to a 44 out of
50 brat.

659
00:36:56,500 --> 00:37:00,600
Oh my gosh it's pretty rare that
we hit the exact same number.

660
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:03,200
Yeah this might be the third or
fourth time.

661
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,800
This is really freaking good.
Yeah yeah and I was just I was

662
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,500
just asking you Afer.
This isn't a single barrel,

663
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:12,000
right?
I know it's called Cask strength

664
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,400
but it doesn't say Single
Barrel.

665
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,400
This is a, this is a blend.
I don't know how big the batch

666
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,600
is our but that actually
encourages me because if this

667
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,900
was a single barrel I mean I
would still obviously recommend

668
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:27,800
buying and trying but now that I
know that it's a batched whiskey

669
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:31,900
like I assume that this is kind
of what the palette is going to

670
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:34,800
be like or the flavor profile is
going to be like pretty

671
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,300
consistently.
Yeah.

672
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:39,700
Yeah, dude.
I'm Under percent in on this.

673
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,800
Go buy yourself some Makers Mark
a strength everybody.

674
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,800
Yeah. 88/100.
One of our highest rated

675
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,700
whiskies of the Season Brad.
Yeah.

676
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:50,700
If for a while I would say this
is.

677
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:54,000
But here's the thing not only is
it one of our highest rated

678
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,000
whiskeys.
I think it might be one of our

679
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,800
highest rated and most readily
available with these.

680
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,400
That isn't going to be
overpriced like you're not going

681
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,400
to see this in a, you know,
non-controlled state for like

682
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,100
$120.
Right?

683
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,200
And so I'm like this seems like
an easy pickup for anybody to

684
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,500
keep on their Shelf at all
times.

685
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,900
All right man we are in a really
good spot after this whiskey.

686
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:21,300
Let's get back into talking
about O Brother Where Art Thou

687
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:23,400
what do you say?
Yeah, let's get to it, man.

688
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,100
All right, everybody.
That was Makers Mark.

689
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:33,200
Cask strength.
A damn good whiskey.

690
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,400
Very much.
So yeah, I was man.

691
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,400
I'm I am very good right now.
Yep.

692
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,200
Yeah.
Well, if you want to keep being

693
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,300
pleased, you might not want to
participate in our next segment

694
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:51,900
to vaccinate a falsehood two
bags in a falsehood where I had

695
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:55,400
to bring in the world's leading
expert on James Cameron to help

696
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,300
me win last week.
Hey you got it though, man.

697
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:00,100
I got it.
I do what it takes, man.

698
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,400
All right, everybody, this is
the section of the podcast where

699
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:13,100
I Brad G present, you Robert
book with two facts and one

700
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:15,500
falsehood.
But you think that they're all

701
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:18,500
true and you usually guess the
wrong one that's going to say.

702
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:21,300
So I usually think none of them
are true, that's the hard part.

703
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:26,100
Yeah, I've actually just been
making up all three facts for

704
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:30,400
months now Well, luckily I
brought both Joel and Ethan Coen

705
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,700
into the room to help me sort
these out.

706
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:35,300
I go from the world and the
world's leading James Cameron

707
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:38,700
expert to just actually getting
the directors in here with the

708
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:41,700
world's leading Coen Brothers
expert.

709
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,900
The Coen Brothers.
Alright man, hit me with these

710
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:47,100
two facts in a falsehood?
Let's see if I can parse out

711
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:50,900
which one is false.
Alrighty, originally fact,

712
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:53,800
number one.
Originally the Coen Brothers,

713
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,300
wanted to write a skit.
A script based on a work Of The

714
00:39:57,300 --> 00:39:59,900
Brothers Grimm.
However, after being stuck for a

715
00:39:59,908 --> 00:40:02,800
little while, their longtime
collaborator Carter Burwell

716
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,700
suggested Homer's Odyssey to
them, which as, you know, Bob

717
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:12,100
they had not read but they took
that idea ran with it and the

718
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:16,500
script was quickly finished
after that fax number two, JK

719
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:20,600
Simmons auditioned for multiple
Parts, but backed out when one

720
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,300
of the characters are when the,
the character that the cohens

721
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:28,300
were leaning towards casting him
as was two similar to a racist

722
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:31,100
character.
He played on the HBO show Oz.

723
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,300
Fax number three, Sheriff Cooley
is a tribute to boss.

724
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:38,800
Godfrey, played by Morgan
Woodward, the Sinister Chain

725
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,100
Gang boss.
In Cool Hand, Luke, like,

726
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:44,200
Godfrey, coolies eyes are never
seen and is mirrored sunglasses

727
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,800
reflect his surroundings often
fire in Cool Hand.

728
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,200
Luke boss.
Godfrey's were referred to as

729
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,700
the Devil by several of the
prisoners.

730
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,800
Mmm.
I'm going to go with three as a

731
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,600
fact to sounds very plausible.
I'm leaning towards one, is the

732
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,900
falsehood, and the only reason
why is in researching this

733
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:09,200
movie, it seemed like the idea
to make this be.

734
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,900
The Odyssey came about more
accidentally, like they were

735
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:17,600
trying to just plan a three
buffoons escape, a prison gang,

736
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:20,300
and then it became like, hey
this is about their journey to

737
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:21,700
go back home.
Let's just make it be the

738
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:25,300
Odyssey.
And so, when you talk about them

739
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:27,800
trying to do a Brothers, Grimm
thing and then flipping to the

740
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,300
Odyssey, the other thing there
is that Carter Burwell I believe

741
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:34,400
is the composer of a bunch of
their films.

742
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,400
He's the, he's the musician that
he writes the music as so I

743
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,700
don't know if they'd be going to
him for advice on scripts.

744
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:43,000
They might be and I'm sure
Carter Burwell is a very

745
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,800
educated man but number one is
sticking out to me as probably

746
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:54,700
the falsehood I'm going to say
ones the falsehood Brad and go

747
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:57,900
ahead.
You are correct.

748
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,700
I did it.
Yeah nailed it.

749
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:05,500
I'm so happy.
We had a really good whiskey and

750
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:08,500
then I won.
This is like it's a great day.

751
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:12,700
The day to beat all days.
I can't great start to the new

752
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:15,000
year, was gonna say I can't
remember the last time that we

753
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,400
had, a really good whiskey
followed by a two facts, in a

754
00:42:18,408 --> 00:42:20,900
falsehood win for me.
Ed.

755
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:23,600
That's it's probably been a
while box.

756
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,900
This is the reason the Buckeyes
lost.

757
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,600
Oh, you know, I couldn't have
all three things.

758
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,000
It had to be.
Yeah.

759
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,000
All right, yeah.
All right man.

760
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:34,900
Let's get back in the cockpit
about good episode.

761
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:36,800
Yeah, right.
It's gonna be sad and drink more

762
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,200
whiskey.
Let's get back into talking

763
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,800
about O Brother.
Where Art Thou Brad we talked a

764
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,700
little bit about some of the
deeper themes that are going on

765
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:46,300
here.
Right before we went to break, I

766
00:42:46,308 --> 00:42:50,200
mentioned that I really liked
that they portray, you know.

767
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,500
Oh, George Clooney's compatriots
as people, who have real

768
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:58,200
convictions and, you know,
they're, they're impulsive

769
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,300
decision to go.
Get baptized seems like it's

770
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:03,900
being parodied in the moment,
but then pretty immediately,

771
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,700
they have this great scene where
they're all laying out by a

772
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:08,700
campfire at night.
And they're talking about like

773
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:10,600
oh what are you gonna do with
your share and its really

774
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,000
reminiscent of like Treasure of
the Sierra Madre and they go

775
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,300
around and talk about like what
are we going to do?

776
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,400
And it's really clear that John
Turturro wants to be the kind of

777
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,800
person.
That is respected.

778
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,300
And in a position of authority,
not to be mean about it, but

779
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:27,000
just because it's something he
could never have as a person who

780
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,400
had no means.
And that Tim Blake Nelson wants

781
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,200
to go back and buy his family's
Farm.

782
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,000
Like these are very principled
men, dude, that that felt so

783
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,100
much like Grapes of Wrath.
Oh yeah.

784
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:42,100
Like, he was the man who had the
speech given to him about the

785
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:44,700
banks and the yeah, they're in
New York.

786
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:46,200
You eat that.
Yes.

787
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,900
Like, that was Tim Blake Nelson.
And then they come back to

788
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:51,400
George Clooney.
Uni and they asked him like what

789
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,200
do you want?
And he's like, I don't really

790
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,800
want anything and it really
demonstrates immediately that

791
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,000
these two guys, no matter how
we're portraying them, no matter

792
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,800
how George Clooney is
mercilessly mocking them as not

793
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,000
having any intelligence.
They're the ones that actually

794
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,900
have morals and have principles
and are working towards

795
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:14,600
something and Clooney's the one
that's kind of a drift and you

796
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,700
can tell has a despair about him
and you find out later in the

797
00:44:18,707 --> 00:44:20,200
movie that he's been lying about
it.

798
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,300
And he really does have a
driving force, but in that

799
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:28,000
moment I really love the way
that they really subtly set up,

800
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:31,400
you know the the trajectories of
these characters.

801
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,800
Well I think that's kind of the
whole drive and purpose of this

802
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:42,900
movie is to set up the
dichotomy, the the modern

803
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:48,600
argument of Science and, you
know, facts and logic versus

804
00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:53,500
having faith.
And having an experience of

805
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,900
conversion and experience of
belief in God.

806
00:44:57,300 --> 00:45:00,500
And I think that what the Coen
Brothers do here is really

807
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:03,600
impressive in that.
They don't really give you an

808
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,800
answer.
They just kind of point out.

809
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:09,000
Look, here's here's what it's
like to be somebody who has no

810
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,400
faith and who belittles people
of faith.

811
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:15,700
And here's what it's like to be
somebody who does Have Faith,

812
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:19,200
Like You, observe and decide for
yourself.

813
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:22,800
And I think it's See a really
impressive movie in that regard.

814
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:25,900
All right, so here's my big
struggle with Cohen comedies.

815
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:29,100
And I think it's probably why I
love Raising Arizona so much

816
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:32,000
because and you'll see this in a
few days when we watch it Brad.

817
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,500
But Raising Arizona is just like
a straight farce, like it is

818
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,900
ridiculous and silly, and it
never stops being silly.

819
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,900
And they're like some really
heartwarming moments in it, but

820
00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:46,000
it's just a deeply silly film.
And I feel like this movie is

821
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,800
kind of silly to, but there's,
there's something about

822
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,200
watching.
In movies, like post Fargo,

823
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:54,700
where they have all of The
Prestige.

824
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,000
And you can't tell if the cohens
are just kind of like laughing

825
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,700
and like kind of giving a middle
finger to The Establishment and

826
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:06,000
being like, Oh, yeah, like you
want us to make another Oscar

827
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,000
winner here, we're going to make
the Big Lebowski now and and any

828
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,500
can't tell if it's like all a
big joke or if they actually

829
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:18,100
want to try to say something
deep with their comedies and

830
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:22,400
this is one of those films where
it Set these themes just enough

831
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,900
that I can't tell if the movies
actually about those themes or

832
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:29,600
if it's just a movie that is
deeply silly and about being

833
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,400
silly, that also happens to
touch on deeper things.

834
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:34,600
I don't know if that makes
sense.

835
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:39,100
Yeah, I mean I think that the
Deep things that they touch on

836
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:43,400
are really important and they
have they give the audience an

837
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:48,100
opportunity to engage with them
in a way that doesn't shame

838
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:51,900
anyone or make anybody feel bad.
Bad and I think that's what the

839
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:55,700
comedic elements of this movie.
Do they give you a chance for

840
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:59,800
Relief to let the steam off a
little bit as you're kind of

841
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,600
wrestling with what does it mean
to be a person of faith in a

842
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:08,800
world that is random and chaotic
and and sometimes cruel.

843
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:12,500
Like honestly if I had to
compare it to something, it kind

844
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:16,900
of feels like the Book of
Ecclesiastes in the Bible where

845
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:20,200
the the author of this book just
continually comes back to life.

846
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,100
I don't know man.
Everything is Vanity.

847
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:25,700
Everything is like vapor in the
wind.

848
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:28,600
Like you can't actually grab
onto anything.

849
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,400
It's all fleeting and who knows?
And you're like, yeah that's

850
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,800
that's like the Coen brothers in
a heartbeat.

851
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:40,300
They actually borrow really
heavily from Ecclesiastes and

852
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:42,400
job in other one of their later
films.

853
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:44,500
So it's really funny to hear you
mention that.

854
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,500
But yeah, I guess that's part of
what makes me struggle with this

855
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:50,000
movie.
Is that it is such a well made

856
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,600
movie.
She like just from a production

857
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,700
quality standpoint, it is made
its Roger deakins

858
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:58,700
cinematography.
It was the first major movie to

859
00:47:58,700 --> 00:48:00,900
use Digital Color grading after
the fact.

860
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:03,200
So, like the sepia tone was
added digitally.

861
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:05,600
So like, Roger deakins, thanks a
lot.

862
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,900
You kicked off all this crappy
color grading, we have now, but

863
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:13,500
it's done so well and it's like
they're pulling from the the

864
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:17,500
deepest bag of filmmaking tricks
and not gimmicks, but like

865
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:24,200
really really intelligent Clever
homages to old movies and like

866
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,900
they're using all of their
directorial muscles.

867
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,400
And so, when I hold it up
against like another comedy,

868
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,500
that I think is just kind of
like deeply.

869
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:37,200
Silly take a movie like, I don't
know, like, Anchorman Anchorman

870
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,700
is a really funny movie that's
not really about much and it's

871
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:43,300
just meant to be funny and at
the end of the day it's

872
00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:45,300
entertaining and that's the
point of that movie.

873
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,000
And I think some of the
Aesthetics and the directorial

874
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,500
choices and the editing reflect
the facts that like let's not

875
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:54,000
take this too.
Seriously, you know, and now

876
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,500
Adam McKay the director is off,
making Oscar e movies and it

877
00:48:57,500 --> 00:49:01,600
feels kind of like the Coen
brothers are making an anchor

878
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:07,500
Manish movie in spirit.
But like, pumping all of the

879
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:11,600
artistic and aesthetic qualities
of their more serious movies

880
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,100
into it at the same time.
And so I watch it.

881
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:17,200
And I'm like, surely something
with this production.

882
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,700
Quality has a deeper meaning and
I don't know if it does.

883
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:25,000
So that's why I'm really
struggling to get my arms all

884
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,800
the way around this.
I think you're right.

885
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,400
It touches on all those things,
but is it actually about those

886
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,500
things?
Yes, all right.

887
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:38,400
Okay.
I really do think it is Bob, I

888
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,900
think that they continually in
every single vignette, they

889
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:50,400
touch on how Everett doesn't
have faith that he relies on his

890
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,900
wit on his intelligence on his
capabilities, to get him through

891
00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:59,600
all situations.
And yet, you know, hogwallop and

892
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:05,400
Delmar they rely on just the
Goodwill of people and their

893
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,800
Newfound faith and they seem to
find their way through it.

894
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,900
And in the end, the interesting
thing and this is what I think

895
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:13,900
the Coen brothers are no for
known for.

896
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,000
It feels a little bit
nihilistic.

897
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,700
Like they went on this long,
long journey and now they reach

898
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:23,400
the end and ever it isn't
getting what he wants.

899
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,500
He, you know, he still isn't
able to get back with his wife

900
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:30,600
because she is fickle and wants
her specific ring.

901
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,000
That's now at the bottom of the
lake.

902
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,000
And so I think there's there's
Has room for interpretation,

903
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,200
like, the Coen Brothers want
there to be, but I think that

904
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:44,700
the entire movie hinges on that
idea of Faith versus logic and

905
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:46,900
reason.
All right, well with that, in

906
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:50,200
mind, let's move into our final
segment for the day which we

907
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,700
call.
Let's make it a double.

908
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:55,800
This is where we pair the movie
up with something else to make

909
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,000
the perfect double feature Brad.
You've clearly been thinking

910
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,600
more deeply about this movie
than I have.

911
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,800
So I'd really like to hear.
What are you going to pair this

912
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,800
up with?
Oh, I honestly it would be so

913
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,400
funny to hear you say like
Martin scorsese's silence like

914
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:16,200
an examination of faith in the
world and how you acted out that

915
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,100
would be funny.
All right.

916
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:18,600
So you have not thought about
this.

917
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,300
What you're saying?
I have not thought about this at

918
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:23,000
all.
All right here's mine and it's

919
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,300
like it's you got to squint to
see it a little bit but I was

920
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:29,800
thinking about like what's
another movie that has this kind

921
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,400
of episodic nature.
I think Forrest Gump kind of

922
00:51:32,408 --> 00:51:34,200
comes to mind.
That's not My pic though.

923
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,300
But it reminds me of like, you
know, people weaving in and out

924
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:39,500
of this person's life.
A lot of times, it's humorous.

925
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,000
I just watched like a week ago,
the new gear Mo Del Toro

926
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,500
directed adaptation of
Pinocchio.

927
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:51,200
Okay, and Pinocchio is kind of
one of those stories where this

928
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,700
little wooden boy wonders in and
out of these crazy scenarios

929
00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:58,800
with, you know, in the Disney
version like a giant duplicitous

930
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,800
Fox and then this island where
you turn into a jackass and Go

931
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,900
inside the mouth of a whale and
it all seems very Mythic and it

932
00:52:06,908 --> 00:52:11,200
all seems very random and there
is definitely more of a moral to

933
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,600
that story than I feel like
there is to this story.

934
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:17,600
But I couldn't shake the feeling
that the Disney version of

935
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:22,000
Pinocchio with all of the songs
that are sung and the moral

936
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,700
guides, it just kind of reminded
me a little bit of like, you

937
00:52:25,707 --> 00:52:28,000
know, Jiminy Cricket is leading
this kid through life.

938
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,400
The way that you know, Dante is
getting LED through hell and

939
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,500
George Clooney's getting LED
through Mississippi.

940
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:38,700
So I'm going to go with a Disney
version of Pinocchio, I'm in,

941
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:40,700
man.
I don't know if I'll ever watch

942
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:43,000
it, but sure, you've never seen
Pinocchio.

943
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:45,800
Well, I've seen the old one.
That's what I'm talking about.

944
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,900
The old.
Like, the old Jiminy Cricket

945
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:52,300
Wish Upon a Star 1940 Pinocchio.
Yep.

946
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:53,100
Yeah.
All right.

947
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:54,000
I'm in then.
Yeah.

948
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,100
Pinocchio for my make it a
double.

949
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:00,300
I'm going to stick in a very
similar era.

950
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,200
I'm gonna go with office space.
I think you just paired

951
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,900
something up with office space
like five weeks ago.

952
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:11,900
Did I?
I don't you at least compared

953
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:14,000
something to office space.
I can't remember exactly.

954
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,100
But okay.
Anyway, go ahead.

955
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:19,400
I'm sorry, we need to start
keeping track of how many wins

956
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,200
you have and we need to start
keeping track of our blood say,

957
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,600
gonna double as I guess.
Yeah.

958
00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:27,900
All right.
So let's hear why office space

959
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:32,600
honestly?
Because I feel like Office space

960
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:37,100
has the level of nihilism and
dark comedy.

961
00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:39,700
That makes it feel like.
It could be directed by the Coen

962
00:53:39,700 --> 00:53:40,900
Brothers.
Hmm.

963
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:43,400
I know that it's not directed by
them.

964
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,600
It's Mike Judge.
But that movie just feels dark

965
00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:54,500
and funny and has all sorts of
similar one-liners and quick

966
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:58,200
dialogue that O Brother Where
Art Thou has and I think it'd be

967
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,900
a good pairing.
It would make for a really fun

968
00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:01,900
night.
I think I would watch office

969
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:04,800
space first though, right.
Before we sat down to record, I

970
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,200
said to you, I don't think this
is going to be one of our longer

971
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,200
episodes, like I don't know if
we'll go a full hour on this and

972
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,500
we're currently sitting right
around 56 minutes.

973
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:15,800
So, you know, this movie clearly
had more to talk about than I

974
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,600
thought it did Brad.
I remember, when we first

975
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,500
discussed this movie, this was
one that you remember from your

976
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:24,200
childhood that you had fond
feelings for even if it wasn't

977
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,200
like, I love this movie, but
you've always seemed surprised

978
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,800
that I'm a bit cooler on it than
you and I don't Dislike this

979
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,500
movie.
I really enjoyed this movie.

980
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:38,600
I just really struggled to find
much there.

981
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,100
Beneath the silliness, and
that's not to say that you can't

982
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:45,000
just have a silly movie.
I love Monty Python.

983
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,700
I love this a spinal tap, but
they're not allowed to look this

984
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:51,300
good.
Yes, I think this movie

985
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:54,900
straddles, the line between like
a movie with no point and a

986
00:54:54,908 --> 00:54:56,200
movie.
That's trying to have a really

987
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,900
deep point and so it doesn't do
either one of those things.

988
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,500
Super well.
I think I enjoyed the hell out

989
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:04,000
of it.
I would give it like a seven and

990
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,200
a half on the enjoyment scale,
and I'm really struggling

991
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,200
between seven and a half in an 8
because the Aesthetics like

992
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,800
there's a shot in this movie
where they toss a newspaper into

993
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,000
a fire and it burns off the
first page of the newspaper so

994
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,100
that you can see what's written
on the second page of the

995
00:55:20,107 --> 00:55:21,900
newspaper.
And I'm like how the hell did

996
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:23,900
they do that?
How did that scene work?

997
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:30,100
Dude, think about when they're
they jump on the the little rail

998
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,200
car.
Our that's being, you know,

999
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,100
pushed and then the camera at
you know, when they're done

1000
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:39,600
talking to him, the camera just
like sits there, slowly pans up.

1001
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,900
You got this beautiful, almost
Wes Anderson asked split, you

1002
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:48,300
know, right down the middle, by
the railroad track, just a

1003
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:50,900
gorgeous shot to open the movie
with.

1004
00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:54,700
Yeah, it's a beautiful night.
Like it's such a great film

1005
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:55,700
Bond.
So then I'm like, all right,

1006
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:59,400
maybe this is an eight, it's
sitting at a 7.7 on IMDb and I

1007
00:55:59,408 --> 00:56:00,800
actually think that's like the
perfect.

1008
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,900
If I could give this a like a
quarter point, it'd be like a

1009
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:07,600
7.75 for the sake of argument.
I will give it an eight.

1010
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:11,500
I just think that I enjoyed it
less than 80, man.

1011
00:56:11,500 --> 00:56:13,100
I'll give it an eight and a
half.

1012
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:18,700
Okay, I I think this is really
one of my favorite comedies that

1013
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:21,800
it's so well-written.
There's so many great little

1014
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,500
moments throughout that.
I this is one that I will come

1015
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:28,000
back to over and over again.
I'm really excited for next

1016
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,600
week's movie.
I've been building it up.

1017
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:30,800
I'm going to try to stop
building it up.

1018
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:33,600
In case Brad hates it is.
Those are the worst weeks on

1019
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,200
that on that whiskey.
But next week we're checking out

1020
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,900
the Coen Brothers 1980s.
Classic Raising Arizona.

1021
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:43,200
Starring The One and Only
Nicolas Cage.

1022
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,100
I cannot wait.
Brad Bob, what have we done any?

1023
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:50,600
Nicolas Cage movies?
Oh man.

1024
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,900
That is this our first like,
seriously is this our first Nic

1025
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:56,400
Cage movie?
I think it is.

1026
00:56:57,100 --> 00:57:00,700
I don't think I have ever done
Nicolas Cage.

1027
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,900
Gosh, dude, I'm so pumped, not
so exciting.

1028
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:09,900
Please tell me that you've seen
the community episode, where

1029
00:57:09,900 --> 00:57:13,700
they have a class on Nicolas
Cage at the community college.

1030
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:15,700
I feel like you showed me that
episode, didn't you?

1031
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,800
I hope that I have, because it
might be the best examination of

1032
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,000
Nic cage that has ever been
done.

1033
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,700
All right, so we'll be back next
week to watch Nicolas Cage for

1034
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:30,300
the first time on this podcast.
But until then I'm Bob book, I'm

1035
00:57:30,300 --> 00:57:32,300
Brad G.
She and we'll see you next time.

1036
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