Moneyball (2011) / Bardstown Bourbon Company Distillery Reserve Cathedral French Oak Bourbon (NSFW)

0:00 In 2011, director Bennett Miller and star Brad Pitt gave the world a quiet look at the stunning revolution in the world of baseball. In 2025, we try a bourbon fit for royalty. The film is Moneyball. The whiskey is Bardstown Bourbon Company Distillery Reserve Cathedral French oak barrel finish are. You done yet, Bob? A one word movie title and a 78 word bourbon title. And we will review both of those things today. This is the Film and Whiskey podcast. Welcome to the Film and Whiskey podcast, where each week we review a classic movie and a glass of whiskey. I'm Bob Book.

1:03 I'm Brad G. And Brad G It is almost opening day in the world of Major League Baseball. We've officially arrived in spring, it seems. I as I get older I find myself loving baseball more and more and more. What a great sport. I was gonna let's you know what, let's do this. Let's have the baseball conversation right now. Folks, welcome into film and whiskey. If this is your first episode joining us, we don't usually go deep on sports. We usually go deep on films and whiskey. But because this is opening week, we figured, hey, let's talk about Moneyball. And in order to talk about Moneyball, we got to talk about the state of things in the world of baseball. Brad, it seems that both viewership and attendance have been in the steady decline for baseball for years and years now. The young people are just not attaching themselves to the world of baseball as they once did. And I'm not here to interrogate why that is. But I will say I watch less baseball than I ever have. But I'm kind of with you in that like there is no sport that I feel nostalgia for or like a deep sense of like magic like I do with a good baseball game.

2:12 So I don't know how to reconcile those two things. I never watch it, but every time I watch a great baseball game it's like this is. America, you know, yeah. Now I will say from what I have heard the last few years, baseball is actually kind of boosting in the ratings again. Oh, that's good. Around 2019, it started going up. 2020 I think helped as people wanted something to watch and since I I believe viewership is up the last few years as well as ticket sales. So baseball surprisingly doing well, whereas I think it's coming out of the NB as viewership a little bit. Yeah, for sure.

2:52 Because I know that the NBA has been down, I will say football is the black hole of American sports viewership that seems to suck up a lot of viewers who are shed from other sports. But I will say, man, living in Cleveland over the last decade plus has been a huge blessing in the world of baseball because I've had a good baseball team to watch year in and year out. I do love me some Guardians baseball, and it makes sense that baseball viewership would rebound it. Honestly, it should be the dominant sport in America still. When you just think about like the sports calendar, it's the longest season of the year and it's got essentially like 6-7 months of the year to itself. There's really nothing competing with it in those summer months. So, like, it's crazy how much people love the NFL because baseball's, like, right there for the taking. And Brad, I don't think we could have picked a better movie to talk about when it comes to the world of baseball than Moneyball.

3:56 Folks, if you are joining us for the first time or if this is, you know, one of your first episodes, what we've been doing this season is we've been looking at films from the last 20 years and we've been asking the question, does this movie deserve to be considered a modern masterpiece? Now, Brad, I don't want to spoil our answer to that question too much, but I will say based on the few sports movies we've done this season, we've already said there's not a lot of great Alzheimer sports movies in the 21st century. And so I think just on that criteria, it's kind of an automatic yes in terms of being a classic. Is that fair to say? I mean, I personally would judge it more just across all films. Like I, I don't think just because it's a baseball movie means that it's a classic, because it's really good. I will say if you are just limiting it to baseball films over the last 30 years, like, yeah, this is a classic. And and again, like, people need sports movies to watch. And so maybe kind of by default, it's like, well, this is the closest thing we've had for the last 20 years, you know? So we'll get into talking about all this, but let's kind of cast some vision for our Moneyball episode. Brad, I've seen this movie, I don't know, six or seven times all the way through.

5:14 I've seen bits and pieces on TVA lot. It's really funny. My kids will lock in on this movie when I am like, flipping through channels. And it doesn't seem like the kind of movie that anyone under the age of 35 would be interested in because it's just a guy sitting in decaying office office rooms on telephones talking about dollars and cents. But like, you know, my five year old looked at me today and he's like, I get it. I get why it's called Moneyball. And I said, yeah, buddy, why is that? He said because they need money so they can play baseball. And I was like, this kid gets it. He he has solved it. So, yeah, I, I there's something about this movie. Maybe they're just preparing for their own dad phases down the road. But it is like I'm sucked into this thing every time I watch it.

5:59 Brad. Just make sure the kids have like Doritos sprinkled onto their bellies while while they're watching the movie. I think my favorite part of this film that that I really want your kids to like, pick up on and start quoting is when the scout is talking about how they don't want the 1 prospect because he has an ugly girlfriend. Yeah, he doesn't got good vision. Nothing better exemplifies like the old way of scouting baseball players than like he is not Joe DiMaggio or Mickey Mantle or whoever it was that dated Marilyn Monroe for a while. You know what I mean, right? Yeah. DiMaggio, DiMaggio. Yeah. All right, Brad, on that note, let's get into our first segment of the day, which we call Brad Explains. Brad's going to give us the movie plots with only 60 seconds taken on the clock.

6:47 So let's go ahead and do your take with this little segment that we call Brad Explains. Brad Explains is the part of the show where Brad breaks down the plot of the film that he has just seen often for the first time. Brad, I just revealed that I've seen this a number of times. How many watches is this for you of Moneyball? I'm pretty sure that this is my second watch of Moneyball. I, I, I know I saw it 5 or 6 years ago. I don't think I've seen it since, but yeah, enough that I would say we're going to have a just ultra compelling 60 seconds here. Now, Brad, I don't know how how often you go down the rabbit hole of just kind of scrolling through YouTube clips, but this is a A fixture, a staple of the YouTube short, at least in my algorithm.

7:37 Have you seen bits and pieces of it anywhere in between your two watches, or are you coming into this completely separated from any viewing experience? I don't feel like I've seen much of this movie. The the one thing that I saw that I was like, oh, I forgot that that was from Moneyball, is the meme when Brad Pitt is looking at the camera and he goes, listen, it's not that hard. Tell him it's incredibly, it's incredibly hard as anything worth trying to do. Is all right, man. So with that in mind, you have 60 seconds breakdown the plot of this movie with full spoilers and go.

8:18 The film Moneyball follows Billy Beane, played by Brad Pitt, who is the general manager of the Oakland Athletics, a Major League Baseball club. They don't have much money, and they're losing some of their best players, and so they need a way to field a great team that can make the playoffs without much money, as your son put it. So he follows a few trails, realizes that there's a way to find value from lower costing players. He hires, what's his name, Jonah. We'll just call him Jonah Hill.

8:59 He hires Jonah Hill, real life Jonah Hill, to be his baseball analyst who believes in this different way of thinking. He pisses off a bunch of people on the way, and they have a really cool winning streak and they lose in the ALDS going nowhere. The end. I want to kick off today talking about the team behind the camera of the movie, which I feel like we've been doing frankly, a a poor job of lately. Brad, we've got we've gone into performances a lot, but I don't feel like we've really spent much time talking about directing or writing with a lot of our movies lately. But this is a film that features a writing team of Aaron Sorkin and Steven Zalian.

9:41 Now, Steven Zalian is a, I don't even want to call him a journeyman. He is one of the best screenwriters in Hollywood, and he kind of falls into a more traditional mold when it comes to the way he tells his stories. It's a classic Hollywood storytelling technique. So Brad, I'm going to read a couple of the movies that Steve's Alien has written, many of which we've done on this podcast. So even going back to the 90s, he wrote the movie Awakenings with Robin Williams and Robert De Niro. He wrote Schindler's List. Oh, wow. He wrote, he's credited for the story of the original Mission Impossible film. He wrote Gangs of New York. He wrote American Gangster.

10:22 He helped with the screenplay for The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. He wrote The Irishman for Martin Scorsese. The guy is a big deal in Hollywood. And so you pair him up with, you know, perhaps the preeminent dialogue guy in Aaron Sorkin. And I think what we have here is a script that is really fascinating to me to dissect because you I don't think you would immediately peg this as an Aaron Sorkin script. There is very little dialogue at times in this movie. And I find that it actually ends up being one of my favorite scripts that Sorkin has ever worked on because there's a lot of like economy to the dialogue. It's really crisp. It's really pointed, but it doesn't ramble.

11:04 And I feel like especially late era Sorkin really tends to ramble. I I really love this script man. Yeah, It absolutely winds itself tightly around what you're seeing on the screen. And you always feel this sense of unease, like every single time Brad Pitt reassures Jonah Hill that their jobs are safe and then immediately, like, flips things on his head. He goes. And besides, what's the worst that could happen? Like, we're going to be fine. Everything's going to be good. And you're like, yeah, the worst thing that could happen is you get fired and you can't find a job. And, and you know, it's just has a way of pacing itself that you have a lot of these little funny moments kind of interspersed throughout the film. But what I love most about the script is that it allows each scene to just be what it's going to be. And it doesn't expect anything out of the viewer to like, I don't know, force it in any specific direction there. There's just a a natural smooth movement to the way that this script flows.

12:17 So apparently Xalian had done a first draft of it, and then Amy Pascal, the head of the studio, specifically sought out Aaron Sorkin to come do a rewrite. And Sorkin had enough respect for Xalian that he said, like, I'm not going to work on this movie unless I get Steve Zalian's blessing. And so they both kind of crafted new drafts of it independently of each other. So they really weren't working together on this. I'd be interested, you know, if there's articles out there that talk about which scenes were written by which person, because there are definitely scenes in this movie where I'm like, oh, I think that's a Sorkin scene. And then there's other scenes where it's like, oh, that feels like the sort of pulling at the heartstrings thing that Steve's aliens really good at. In any case, I think that it adds up to a movie that I struggle to understand why this movie isn't a 10 out of 10 for me, Brad like it is.

13:11 It's really good. And it's like the more I watch it, the more I realize that like, it's actually very understated in the way that it tries to pull off its themes that like, there's some grand overarching character arc thing going on with Brad Pitt and everything that is set up is paid off. There's like a ton of Chekhov's guns in this movie, but they're they don't really call attention to themselves. And I think because of that, the first four or five times I saw this movie, I was like, very good movie, 8 1/2 out of 10. This time around, I felt like it it worked even better for me, but I still just it almost has that like spotlight ceiling that we talked about where the way they made this movie I think is really appropriate for the kind of story they're telling. But it also kind of puts a cap on my overall enjoyment factor of the movie.

14:01 I'm I'm kind of with you here, Bob. I found myself this time through feeling like this is a better movie than what I actually am seeing on the screen that there's, and maybe it's just because I've, I've listened to you talk about it and how much you love it. But this time through, I was struck by the beauty of the small moments of the film. But there's nothing that it ever really builds toward in my mind. Like like, yes, there's the 22 wow, sorry, 20 game win streak. I I got a little tripped up there, Bob, seeing as as my Indians, you know, had a 22 game win streak to break this record. No big deal.

14:45 I just thought I should throw that in there. It doesn't feel like this movie builds anywhere. And I think that's my frustration with the movie is like, it's at the end of the day, he started something that was already somewhat in the works around the league, and he kind of gets credit for it. And yes, like, it helped make a way better team than he would have built the traditional way. But at the end of the day, like, he's never been to the World Series. He's never won a World Series it it ends with a really cool win streak that gets them into the playoffs and they lose at the exact same place of the playoffs that they did the year before it.

15:26 It makes me wonder if this sports story was even worth translating into a film. So I think that this is where I want to talk about the way the screenplay develops the Billy Bean character and Brad Pitt is so good in this movie, but also he's doing the understated thing so much that at times you're like, is he acting or is he just like really tired on set today? You know what I mean? Like it's a very. I don't understate it is the nice way of saying. It it reminds me of Bruce Willis in 6th sense. Yes, understated is the nice way of saying it. And I think Sleepy is like, it's like the mean, like he's got the old Sleepy Joe going on a little bit at times.

16:08 And I think that like, because of that, it can be kind of easy to get distracted from the overall story they're trying to tell. And they do a great job of intercutting young Billy Beane being essentially like railroaded by the old way of gauging baseball players of scouting. They find him in high school. He has a full ride to Stanford. He chooses to chase the money and chase his dream. And it doesn't pan out for him. And he gets chewed up and spat out. And that has always stuck with him as a person that like, he is a victim of what he deems to be a, a, a failure of a system. It's not even just that like he thinks he got screwed, but he starts recognizing that like I should never have been as hyped up as I was as a player and like this is a fundamental flaw in the system. And so his embrace of the Moneyball system is really like him starting his own journey of discovery and healing. And I think for me, the the scene that really clicked it for me that I guess I just never put two and two together, is right after the 21 game or 20 game win streak. And it cuts to a scene of Jonah Hill and Brad Pitt in like a video room somewhere.

17:23 And Brad Pitt's basically saying like, it doesn't matter, none of this matters. It sells hot dogs. But like, I know these guys. I know they don't care. The second we lose a game, they're going to be on our ass again. And what he's saying is correct about the way that the system sucks in baseball. But also, like, it's such an insight into the fact that, like, his character is still so deeply distrustful and haunted and scarred by what has happened to him that he still can't let himself take a step back and see that like he's already changed the course of baseball history by just by what he's done. I think it's a brilliant scene. And they do pay it off, you know, 20 minutes later in the movie.

18:07 But the insights into the character are really small and really understated, and I think they're easy to miss if you're not asking yourself at every point of the movie, like, what does this say? Like, what's the larger picture here? And perhaps that's a flaw the movie. I'm curious like what you think about that? I think that, like you said, it's a really quiet movie and the more you sit with it, the more you let it simmer. I think that it makes an incredible experience. The, the, the beauty of Bean's character really is that he is distrustful of the MLB as a whole and he's deeply in love with like the art of the game of baseball. And you see that in those moments of contrast between who he is as a general manager and who he was as a player. I I think the hard part is you don't get enough insight, you know, you know, I don't even know if you ever hear his younger self speak it.

19:09 It seems like there would be something to dive into there. But on another hand, like they do a good job of treating it like they are, you know, their memories. It's him remembering what it was like to be playing in the major leagues and how difficult it is. And you have to wonder, like is being being the type of general manager that he wishes he had as a player? Well, and I think that's like, so you get to the point at the end of the movie where their season's over and he gets this astronomical offer from the Red Sox to come be their GM. It's the, it would be making the highest paid GM in all of sports. And Jonah Hill has this moment where he looks at Brad Pitt and and, you know, get told Brad Pitt's like mulling it over.

19:53 And he's like, what does this say about me? If I take the money at this point, he's like, it says what it says about every great player who goes for the money that they're worth it. And you can tell it doesn't sit well with Brad Pitt because the entire movie, what they've been saying is like these players that are commanding all this money aren't worth it. You can actually replace them for like, it's it's a perfect mirror image of him being on the other side of the equation now. But I think, Brad, that what I'm struggling with is. Do I actually want this movie to talk down to its audience more? And I think what I mean by that is like, it doesn't have the big showy Oscari speeches.

20:36 It doesn't have, at least not very much. It doesn't have people like looking directly at Billy Beane the way they look at J Robert Oppenheimer and say, like, you are important. You need to realize how important you are. And I, I almost wish that it did a better job of underscoring the point it's trying to make about Billy Beane, because it relies on the audience to put two and two together. And I think obviously, like, we can do that, but it makes for a less dynamic, compelling, entertaining way of telling the story. And for me, I, I think that that all gets summed up with the final like big thing that happens in the film, the the big speech that he gives at the end when he goes, how can you not be romantic about baseball? I think it's a huge missed opportunity, Bob. Oh, that's my favorite part of the movie. I think that's the one place they nail it. See, that's the one place where they completely like with like. It is the best opening line for an absolutely terrible speech because he literally doesn't say anything about the beauty of baseball as a sport.

21:48 He literally goes straight into like specifics about the Oakland A's. And I just was sitting there going, huh, I thought that this this was like an actual beautiful summary of what the sport of baseball is. But it's not. It's just him talking about like the Oakland A's for another few minutes. And I was so let down by that because the movie should be about more than just sabermetrics. Like, it should be more than just about the way that they've selected their players. And at the end of the day, that's all it's about. And so I, I found myself at the end of it kind of disappointed, like, oh, I was expecting this more to be about like the beauty of baseball as a whole and what it can mean to a person. And, and it just kind of fell short of that. It fell shallow.

22:42 Yeah, and I think that's what I'm saying. I wish they made more explicit the way that he actually helped the players themselves too. And you you get a couple guys like there's the the jokey scene where the guy's like, I'm going to pray for you. And he's like, no problem. He just like walks away. But what he did is he implemented a system that actually values undervalued players and it doesn't overvalue people that don't deserve it. And like, so he's he's solving a system that victimized him and that kept so many guys from ever getting their chance. And I think that's the beauty of what he did. It's not just the dollars and cents. And you're right that the only thing they make explicit is the dollars and cents and the like, secondary benefit of like you, you made this better for players too.

23:29 That needed to be made a little bit more explicit to me. Now, what I will say, though, is like, so you have the scene where Brad Pitt says it's really hard not to be romantic about baseball, but here's why you can't. And that's what I was referring to, the one where he's like, it doesn't matter that we had this streak. It doesn't matter. All these guys don't care. But then by the end of the movie, you get the inversion of that with Jonah Hill presenting the guy who fell down rounding first and didn't realize he hit a home run. And I think that scene is like, it is so perfectly scripted because even at the point where I'm like, I'm sitting there with tears in my eyes about it, and and even at the point where I'm like, that's a little on the nose, but I still love it.

24:11 You get the great line where Jonah Hill acknowledges that it's on the nose because he's like, it's a metaphor. And Brett's, I guess I understand that this is a metaphor. I just man, that part of the movie for me is just perfection, man. Oh, that. That's the line about it being a metaphor. I'm like, it felt like an intrusion of humor from eight years later. Like it like it felt like an intrusion of Guardians of the Galaxy kind of humor. And I was just kind of was like. Oh man. That felt icky to me. Now what I will say is so this movie is nominated for I believe 6 Oscars at the 2012 Academy Awards, a historically crappy year for movies as I look through 2011 just not not a great year and says even more about this movie that it couldn't get the momentum needed to win any of these awards.

25:06 The one that really stands out to me though, Brad is in editing because I think that the editing in this movie is unbelievably good so much so that like you almost don't notice it. But when I say that this movie is like a perfect YouTube clip movie, it's one of those things where like you, you have to have almost perfect editing to make a conversation between two people in an office building compelling. And even more so when it's like Brad Pitt on the phone with somebody that you don't hear the voice of on the other end. And even more so when it's like 2 guys watching a video replay on a screen. But where it really got me is is the the montage of the streak happening before, you know, the final game that Billy Bean goes back to when it's all just like archive footage and they're intercutting it with stuff from 100 years ago and playing radio interviews over top of it.

25:59 It is like a brilliantly constructed historical montage. And this movie does stuff like that so, so well that I think that again, you almost don't notice it, but it is like it's a feat of editing for me. Yeah, it's so seamlessly weaves between the narrative and the history of baseball that you almost feel like the movie is a documentary at points. And it and it does it in such a beautiful way that you, the viewer, don't feel like you're shifting between genres from drama to documentary and back it. It just has a really beautiful movement to it, flow to it that I I really enjoyed that. Did you say that it won editing or did it not come on Oscars? I know, man.

26:51 I don't think it won any Oscars. I'm looking through the list. I Yeah, The Artist dominated this Oscars season, so here's. Let me let me read you that the the silent. Movie. Yeah, let me. Read you the best picture line up here. The Artist, The Descendants, which is a movie by Alexander Payne. Extremely loud and incredibly close, which is wow, that's a bad movie. The Help, a movie we liked. Hugo, the Scorsese movie, Pretty good. Midnight in Paris, a movie that you notoriously hate. Moneyball, The Tree of Life and then War Horse, the Spielberg movie. Hold up. Yeah. Midnight in Paris. Brad, you're the only person on earth who does not think that's at least a good movie.

27:35 Like I I don't want to spend any money. Couldn't. I literally couldn't get past like 40 minutes. Like I gave it a shot. Well allowed. Acting was so horrifically bad in that film. Allow that to cast a pole over. That's how bad of a year this was. If you think that movie is bad, I, I can guarantee you at least 5 movies in the best picture line up or worse than that. So I look at this and I'm like, for me, this is Moneyball and The Tree of Life. And I don't know how those two movies didn't win everything at the Oscars. Yeah, that, that's what I was thinking as well. I've those are the two movies I've seen. I've seen 1/3 of Midnight in Paris. You saw the help. That's true. The help, I apologize. So yeah, I I would say Moneyball is better than the help. I would say the Tree of Life is cooler than Moneyball, but it would have made sense.

28:25 If Moneyball wins over Tree of Life, that's that's a crappy year for movies. I yeah, man, I agree. I agree. I I thought I would look up the animated film to see if that was any good. The animated feature film of that year was Rango. Narrowly beating out Kung Fu Panda 2. Yes, and Puss in Boots. So Brad, on that note, why don't we hit pause here? I want to come back and talk a little bit about like what we think really works about the movie and then specifically dive into the two main performances here in Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill. But first, we've got to drink some whiskey. So what do you say we try this extremely long titled Bardstown Bourbon Company Bourbon? Let's drink some whiskey, Bob.

29:16 All right, so today we are checking out Bardstown Bourbon Company Distillery Reserve. Now this is a new line of whiskeys from Bardstown that they are launching with this inaugural blend called the Cathedral French Oak Barrel finish. This is a blend of Kentucky straight bourbon whiskeys that are finished for 14 months in what they refer to as 300 year old French oak barrels. Now Brad, this is. That sounds listen expensive. It does. I I'm a marketing guy. I do a lot with copywriting. This is where language is very important, Brad, because there are times where a barrel or the wood used in a cooperage to make a barrel has been aged after the tree has been cut down like they age the wood.

30:04 I don't believe that's what's going on here. Now, the trees that were chopped down to make these barrels were at least 300 years of age. I don't know if we can actually call that 300 year old oak the way that they're intending it to be interpreted, but I maybe I'm reading it wrong. I will just say first strike against this whiskey for me is like you guys got to you got to be clear about what we're doing with the wood here. Bob, I personally, this is just me. I remember living in Boston and we went to a ice cream shop called, I think it was called Richardson's Creamery. And on their logo it was like ice cream since 1685. And whether or not like they've been making the modern version of ice cream since then or like some ancient, you know, Puritan version of ice cream, I don't really care. Because when you say something is 300 years old, I don't, it doesn't bother me if it's a 300 year old tree or a 300 year old aged piece of wood that was cut down to a tree. I I think either is impressive.

31:15 It is very impressive. They also used trees that were harvested to help with the repairs on the Notre Dame Cathedral. So it's, it seems like these are the the pieces of wood that didn't make it into the cathedral. But that's why this is called like holy wood. It well, it seems like it was destined to become holy wood, but then it was intercepted by the Bourbon makers and they were like, no, you, you will not make it into the cathedral. We're just going to call this cathedral French oak instead. So I love that they not only didn't allow it to get used in the cathedral, but that they then took it and called it cathedral oak just as a big middle finger. Like, forget you gigantic.

31:58 I don't know, Bob. Gigantic Duomo. I don't know Bob, knowing how much the Catholics like to drink, it would not surprise me if they like set up side some of the wood to be used in such a manner. They actually said we don't need that beam after all. RIP that out, let's make whiskey with. It bro, I know that who's still Gonzales might not have talked about it, but you better believe that almost every innovation of in the world of beer from like 500 till now happened because of monasteries all. Right, so this is a blend of at least 5 of different whiskeys. They are all Kentucky bourbons. They're ranging from 9 years to 18 years in age. Let's dive into this Brad. It's clocking in at 110.1 proof.

32:42 Thank you to Bardstown for sending us this sample and thank you for what I am picking up on the nose of this bad boy. Brad, this is just I mean, it was an immediate well aged bourbon bomb. When I poured it out, it didn't it didn't like it didn't sense over oaked, but it was like, oh man, every time we've had a really good like 1415 or plus bourbon, it has this distinct, I guess I would just call it mature character to the nose. And then when that settled down a little bit, I got notes of like, Coca-Cola, but it really tipped into almost like a flat root beer for me. There's like this kind of syrupy sarsaparilla kind of note going on underneath it all. It's really decadent, really rich. The color on this is absurdly dark. Brad, I'm going to give this a nine out of 10 on the nose. Yeah, I'm, I'm with you, man.

33:34 For me, it's it was almost like a really heavy cherry licorice vibe. There's some black pepper. It's a bit little bit of an orange zest. It kind of reminded me of like hot chocolate powder and all of that going along with some really nice mature caramel vanilla vibes of the classic bourbon. This is one of the best noses I think I've had on bourbon in a while. Bob, I'm not going to lie to you, I feel like I've almost given up on bourbon. Even you were teasing this last week, weren't you? Or the week before you were like, oh, this Scotch is just OK, but I'd still drink it over every other bourbon.

34:16 Yeah. I this is the first bourbon I've had in a while that the nose makes me really excited, so 9 out of 10 for me here. The palette Robert this is stunningly good. It is Okie, but in the most like smooth and mellow way I can describe. There is brown sugar, there is cinnamon. It's got that orange zest coming through. It reminds me of like a really nice creamy Creme brulee. Just little piece of deliciousness. This is the and I mean this in the best way possible. This is the closest thing I think I've ever had from Bardstown. That reminds me of some of the higher end versions of the Bourbons we get from like the big boy players in the industry like this.

35:04 You could set this down next to Wild Turkey Rare Breed and I think it's right in that flavor wheelhouse. I actually I think it's right there with Four Roses Small Batch Select as well. It's just a a really nice down the middle, well aged, super sweet bourbon. It is like syrupy sweet in terms of like natural Maple syrup on the tip of my tongue. There's waves of cherry as well. I don't think this is very viscous like and I don't know if that makes a huge difference. I did expect it to be a little bit more viscous with how well aged it is, but it it just kind of dances across your tongue. It's a really easy to drink bourbon. It shoots like an electric wave back up your tongue in terms of how prickly it is on the palate.

35:49 But it's, I already said down the middle, because I think this is a really crowd pleasing bourbon. There's nothing super complex going on here, Brad, but it's just like, this is everything I want in a bourbon. I'm going to give it a 9.5 on the palate. Yeah, I, I, I don't know if I set my score. I'm at a nine and a half on the pallet as well. I think I disagree with you a little bit though. I think that this is a relatively complex bourbon. It like it has some really nice, almost like cigar notes going on, which for me, the Finnish has a decent amount of oak. It's got black pepper. It lands in a really nice cigar area. There's some almonds, almost like an almond extract. I think that this is a 10 out of 10 finish Bob and and I think it's a relatively complex bourbon compared to something that is unfinished and unblended. Every year at ALDI, I'm a big ALDI guy, by the way, they, they do twice a year, it's called German Week and they bring in a bunch of their foods from, you know, because ALDI is a German company.

36:52 And so they sell like a lot of the stuff that they would normally sell in Germany for like a week in ALDI. And they have all these incredible desserts and they're always in like the frozen section, but there's these super decadent, like German cakes and pastries. And almost all of them have some amount of almond in them. And I'm, I'm with you, dude. There's there's a ton of almond on this, but I get quite a bit of almost like a raisiny or pruny character as well. It's like a really nice German cake. And I'm sure the French people that that, you know, offered up these wonderful barrels don't want to be compared to the Germans, but that's what it reminds me of. Like it has a distinctly European tart or pastry feel to it on the finish.

37:35 I am going to give it a 10 out of 10. This the best thing I've had from Bardstown in years and we had one I think a couple seasons ago that was among our highest rated of the season that was a wine finish from them. I, I can't even remember the name of it now because I am so enthralled with the one we're drinking at the moment. Brad, this is fantastic. Yeah, I we have not had something from Bardstown this impressive in a while. And that's not saying that Bardstown isn't putting out great product because they are. This one is just a step above like an A into a plus territory. I, I think balance wise this is a 10 out of 10 that there there is everything you want here.

38:16 It is rich and complex. It has a great balance of flavors. I I'm gave it a 10 out of 10 on the finish. I'm going to give it a 10 out of 10 on the balance. I'm going to give it a 9.5. The only knock I think against this is that I wish it did have a little bit more viscosity to it, and I wish that it lingered just a little bit longer on the finish. But everything that it offers is so good that I can't go any lower than a 9.5 here. So even before we get into value, I'm at a 38 out of 40 when it comes to just the actual tasting experience. Brad, where are you? I am at a 38.5. Yeah. So I mean, like we're sitting like, you know, if you extrapolated that out, we're at like a 95 out of 100 on this.

39:01 This is one of the best whiskeys, I mean, just by the numbers that we've ever had on this podcast, yeah. I'm curious, Bob, this has an MSRP, which I would say in general you can find products from Bardstown for their MSRP. This is $100. Oh yeah, that's a 10 out of 10. How? Do you feel about that? That is a 10 out of 10. I thought it was going to be. Everything they've been putting out lately has been like 160. So I was prepared to go into this like, oh, it's either going to be 160 or slightly more than that. And Bardstown always kind of straddles the line between like a luxury brand and like a middle class fancy when it when it comes to their price points, which I really appreciate.

39:45 I'm glad that they don't price things at 2:50 or whatever at $100. I don't know that there is a better value in bourbon right now at that particular price point. This is unbelievably good dude. That's a 10 out of 10. Yeah, 10 out of 10 for me. I was expecting 180. Yeah, like tell me that. Let's let's do this, this thought exercise. If it was 180, what score would you give it? Probably like an. 8 So it's so good folks, that we would give it an 8 out of 10 or higher. At 180 dollars. It only costs $100. This is such a no brainer. It's like, unbelievable. Yeah.

40:26 I mean 80% higher the cost and you only use lose 20% of our value score like like that. I mean would you also give it an 8 if it was at 180 bucks? Probably like at least a seven, I would say. Like, yeah, luckily I don't have to do that thought experiment because they priced it so low comparatively. Brad, I'm coming out to what has to be and, and this is a shock to me because I literally came into this blind tonight. I hadn't tried this. I had no, you know, thoughts coming in. This has to be my highest score I've ever given. I'm at a 48 out of 50. Wow, I'm at a 48.5 Bob.

41:08 Like Brad this. Is one of the best whiskeys we've ever had. Yeah, I mean, and if you just like ask me, hey, is that one of the best whiskeys you've ever tasted? I probably wouldn't say yes, but it's just such a crowd pleaser that I think it's almost punching above its weight. It feels weird to say that about a whiskey finished in 300 year old barrels here. There is part of me that is like questioning how this can be $100. Yes. Because look at the blend man, 85% of this whiskey is 14 years old or older. Folks, this is coming out at $100. Listen, this is coming out to a 48.25 out of 50 or a 96 1/2 out of 100.

41:55 This is the highest rated whiskey we have ever had in our 440 episode history of film and whiskey. This is incredible. Yeah, I I'm like, I might go buy another full bottle of this when it comes out. This is this. This is the most excited I've been about a new whiskey in a long time dude. Want to make a trip down to Kentucky? Let's freaking do it, man. Dude, we that's what we need to do. Just have a organized film and whiskey gathering at Bardstown just to buy this whiskey. All right, tying it back into our movie for the day. What? What better way to go than the Moneyball route? Dude, yeah.

42:37 I mean, dude, Bardstown basically is like the Moneyball. Like they are grabbing whiskies from all over, they're helping other people out, they're Wheeling, Wheeling and dealing. And they're coming out with a product that punches way above its weight class. This is the Jeremy Giambi of Bourbons. That's what we're saying here. I don't know if that's a compliment or not. Bob, that man was dancing the whitest dance I've ever seen in a locker room. He deserved to get cut from the team. All I'm going to say is this. How can you not be romantic about Bardstown? Brad? Let's get back into talking about Moneyball. What do you say?

43:17 Let's get to it. All right, everybody. That was Bardstown Bourbon Company. Something, something, something. Cathedral Whiskey. A whiskey. The best whiskey we've ever had. Yeah, I was going to say that deserves a lot more than sarcasm for me, because by golly, Bob, that was incredible. I'm I'm on cloud nine, man. Oh man, I I love drinking good whiskey. There's nothing like it. You know what is like it Brad is my freaking dominance this season at 2 facts and a falsehood. I dude, I love it man. You are doing great this year, Brad. Is going to try to stump your ball and what is wrong? 2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts and a Falsehood is the part of the show where Brad presents me with three items as fact about the making of this movie, one of which is actually a complete lie and I have to figure out which one that is. Now, Brad, we're on an interesting streak here because we've had a couple guests on the show. And then before that we had the episode with Spotlight where you were like, I don't feel comfortable making up facts or fictions about this subject matter. So it feels like this is kind of our return to normalcy. I'm interested to see how I do without anyone here to help me this week.

44:40 So hit me with your two Facts and a falsehood. In fact #1 Billy Bean is portrayed as a lonely divorcee in real life. He had remarried by the time that the streak happened. Scenes were shot with Katherine Morris as his second wife, Tara. They didn't make the final cut though, but they are included as a Blu-ray extra. However, Brad Pitt's character is still shown as wearing a wedding ring throughout the film. Fact #2 Director Bennett Miller was so impressed by Caris Dorsey when she sang the show by Lenka during her audition that he not only cast her as the protagonist's daughter, but let her sing the 2008 song twice in the movie, which was actually set in 2002, sacrificing some of the historical authenticity.

45:30 Fact #3 Sony had originally allocated a much larger budget for the film, but after director Steven Soderbergh's departure over creative differences, the studio cut cost forcing rewrites and fewer game sequences. Interesting #3 immediately stands out to me because I do think that, like, I've always wondered if it was simply a creative choice to film the baseball scenes that way, as if they're like on an empty stage almost, or if it was like truly budgetary. So that could be, you know, if #3 is true, that would make a lot of sense #2 also sounds true to me. Can you just quickly remind me of what number one was?

46:13 He was portrayed as a divorcee, but he was actually remarried at the time. Huh. It would have been funny if you were like, he's portrayed as a lonely divorcee. Actually, he was a super happy divorcee. He was just. Just out there tearing it up. That's the one, Swift. It's like Urban Meyer out there. Yeah. Oh gosh, although he is married. Let's see. You know. I have no idea. I I think it's probably either one or three. I'm going to say #1 is the falsehood just because if #3 is the falsehood. I think you did a really good job writing it, Brad. So I want to give credit. I'm on a good, rewarding, good writing streak here today.

46:53 So I'll say 1 is the falsehood. Well, Bob, you have rewarded me properly because #3 was the falsehood and you? Are incorrect man, darn it. So OK, it sounds like even though that was a falsehood, it sounds like you also made note of the way that the action of the sport is filmed in this movie. Yeah, it's not great, Bob. Yeah, it's not good. It looks a little cheap, I'm not going to lie. Yeah, that, that. Was one of the roughest parts for me was the the moments where they are trying to show what's happening in the game. I think that they were going for like a let's get rid of all the noise, let's get rid of all the extras and just show the beauty of the game. It it didn't work, it wasn't my favorite. No, and I think that you can accomplish that. You know, and the sound design in this movie I think is really well done because there's a lot of times where it could like completely fades out and they isolate different things. And so I think you can accomplish most of what they tried to do visually, you know, orally instead. And yeah, I just a a UR hourly.

48:11 Yeah, yeah, sure. So yeah, I'm with you, man. I don't think it works very well. And like the a lot of the stuff with the actual team I think is part of the weaker elements of this movie. Chris Pratt is really really good in this movie and it's cool to see him before his big breakout on Parks and Rec cause. Is it crazy that I freaking love him and oh. He's so good because he again, like I think this is where the understated thing works because his comic timing is really, really good in this movie. But they also use his comic timing for like non comedic moments where it's like not necessarily designed to make you laugh, but it's designed to under score how unsure of himself he is.

48:55 And I think it like he takes that up to the extreme with Andy Dwyer and then with Star Lord. And here it's just like, here's a guy who's really struggling to like find self worth. And I think he plays it beautifully. I don't know who it is, but whoever plays the brother to Giambi is it. What's Jeremy? Jeremy, Jeremy, thank you is like terrible and perfect. And the image of him dancing in the clubhouse is like everything I wanted out of this movie. It was that just killed me.

49:35 And the moment when Jonah Hill is like, like, no, no, don't trade him. Like we we we like went to bat for this guy and Brad Pitt looks at him like trust me, we don't want this guy anymore. Is the most well deserved scorn I think I've ever seen in a movie. Philip Seymour Hoffman shows up in this movie as Art Howe, the manager. He. He's got some eyebrows in this movie, man. Dude, here's why Philip Seymour Hoffman is like among the goats. He was never above taking a part that you almost forget he's in. And I think he does it as a favor to Bennett Miller. So Bennett Miller, this is only, I believe, his second film ever.

50:16 And his first, or at least his first big one was the movie Capote in 2005, which wins Philip Seymour Hoffman the Oscar. Bennett Miller does not direct another movie until Moneyball six years later, but he asked Philip Seymour Hoffman to come on board and he does. And I think that like, again, it, it's the spotlight thing. It's he's like the the Marty Baron of this movie. It's so understated. But then you get these little moments, like the moment that Chris Pratt's character had a Berg hits that Homer to win the 20th game. Even before the music kicks in, you get a shot where you see the like the launch angle of the ball. And then the first cut is to Philip Seymour Hoffman in the dugout. And it's his immediate reaction as his eyes raise up and he realizes this guy's going to hit a Homer. And it is the most believable facial acting I've ever seen in a It's just, I just threw my hands up. I was like, this dude's the freaking goat. It's so good, man.

51:16 Yeah. I have two thoughts. My first thought is of all the ways to win a sporting event, whether it's like a shot from outside the box and soccer, a Hail Mary, a three pointer to win it all, I think a home run is the best way to walk off of a field of battle victorious. Home runs are just incredible. It's. Secondly, oh, it's absolutely perfect. Secondly, Philip Seymour Hoffman is perfect in every single way. And I almost expected when he and Brad Pitt are like fighting about the line up, I expected to like see it cut to black and then like come up with like Brad Pitt chained to a chair and you just have Mission Impossible 3, Philip Seymour Hoffman looking at him being like, listen, it's it's not about the line up.

52:16 All right, just. Counting to 10 with a gun on Hatteberg. It's about 7 control you see. He's so good, man. I'm, I'm, I'm glad to have him in this movie. Every time I see him in a movie, it you know, it makes me sad that we lost him so young, but like just so good. And then you've got Jonah Hill, who we just talked about a couple weeks ago in the Wolf of Wall Street. And this is this could not be more polar opposite of a character. This is Jonah Hill at his most insecure. And again, I think I've used the word understated 58 times on this episode so far. But like, that is clearly the direction that Bennett Miller is giving everyone in this film because it enhances the believability.

52:59 It enhances the the idea that these could be real people. And his character, spoiler alert, is not a real person. He is a he's a mash up of a couple other different people and one guy in particular that apparently did not allow his name to be used for this film. And I just, I think he's so good, man. I don't know if I like him as much as I do in The Wolf of Wall Street, but I think that's just because he's so much showier in The Wolf of Wall Street that you remember it more, you know? It's interesting, I I feel like the Wolf of Wall Street character is actually more similar to this one in certain ways as far as like his ability to play a super awkward character that doesn't always know if he fits into a space. Like like that describes both characters in both worlds. The the direction that he takes his Moneyball character feels and ought to feel so much more realistic and honest that I I really love him in this movie.

53:59 I think he is my favorite performance in this film. Well, that's a good segue into talking a little more about Brad Pitt. I, I don't know what to make of this Brad Pitt performance. Like, he's nominated for best actor. And I think that Brad Pitt is just he's a great actor, but he is so constantly this century, especially trying to find roles like this where he can play like he's almost toying with the idea of like, how laid back can my performance be? And I think it there's varying levels of success for me with that. I actually, I just took a trip to Las Vegas and I was on the flight out and I was like, you know, what I'm gonna watch on this airplane is Ocean's 11. And I, you know, you watch a little bit showier of a performance there.

54:41 He's still not the most over the top in that movie. But I think what strikes me about watching multiple Brad Pitt performances kind of back-to-back is that he is like, I think that like mentally he tries to find like weird tics to give his character or, or I don't know, do something unexpected. And sometimes that's like an outburst and sometimes that's like a weird facial expression. And I think in that way, he's actually more similar to like, he, he has the same MO. I feel like as a guy like Nicolas Cage, but the way that manifests with Nicolas Cage is always like, what's the craziest thing I can do right now? Whereas with Pitt, it's like, you know, people always talk about how he's eating all the time, like he's always chewing something In the movie. He does that a lot.

55:26 But I, I wonder, I don't actually know what his success rate is when he's making these weird choices. But the overall effect, I think works 90% of the time with Brad Pitt. And I think it works here in Moneyball. He is very, very determined and focused when it comes to his work. I think what makes the character work for me is his interactions with his daughter and the scene where he's with his ex-wife and her new husband. Dude the way that he cuts that guy down the size and he just looks at it and goes her mother and I will make that decision. Oh man it is like so laced with disgust and like I know who I am.

56:18 I am her father. I am self assured. I was like blown away at that moment and it had nothing to do with the main thrust of the movie but it was perfect and I loved it. Also, can I just say, is this the most beautiful Brad Pitt we've seen in a movie? I don't know, Brad Pitt as Achilles in Troy is pretty pretty. Beautiful, sure. I the the slightly shorter hair I think does it. For me, OK, I like it. I like it. He is a beautiful man. There's no getting around it. The, the actor in the scene that you were talking about is the actor and director Spike Jones, who we will be watching one of his films here in a couple weeks, the movie Her with Joaquin Phoenix. He also was in The Wolf of Wall Street a couple weeks ago. Brad, he's the guy in the penny stock place when DiCaprio first goes in and he's like, if you sell $10,000 of this stock, I will personally give you a blowjob. That's it's the same guy.

57:14 So, you know, just show it up here again. Hold on a second. What? What is it with directors that make random like cameos in other people's movies? I don't know, but I love it because I think he knows exactly what kind of character he plays. Well, because it's the same character in both of these movies. Yeah. Beta. Yeah, Exactly. Exactly. All right, man. So we've gone through the cast list. I guess he only. Go ahead. He plays betas and then he makes a movie about a guy who can't get laid in real life. So. So he's focused on an AI. The man. Oh, sorry, that's just funny to. Me, I think what we call that is self aware, you know? Sure, yeah.

57:58 Totally. All right, so we've gone through the cast list. The only other major actor in this movie is Robin Wright, who shows up for like 3 seconds as his ex-wife. I honestly, I understand what they're trying to do with the presence of the daughter and telling him, you know, singing, literally singing to him. Just enjoy the show. I think that like, including his personal life in this movie is probably the movie's biggest mistake because he's clearly not a very good dad and he was a worse husband. And you can accomplish, like you can accomplish that by just having someone mention that to the audience once. Like just have one phone call with Robin Wright where she's like, you're a shitty dad and a shitty husband and then that's it. You know? I don't know that we need 10 minutes of screen time with his wife or her new husband or the daughter. Absolutely this.

58:46 Actually watching Moneyball marks one of the rarest feats in the film and Whiskey podcast history. Haley watched this movie with me. Oh wow. It's it's a very rare thing. And as we got to, she liked it. She was a little sad at the end and she said I feel like he should have taken the Boston job because his main like reason not to was that he didn't want to leave his daughter. But she already had to fly to see him anyways, so why not just have her fly to Boston? Also is there a more like 2001 thing than like sending a child unaccompanied on an airplane? I can't wait to do that someday.

59:30 Dude I am 100% going to send my 13 year old on an airplane by herself and it's going to be so good for her. Yeah, you're going to learn a lot. Get out of here, kid. Go on. Get well on that note, Brad, I think it's time for us to get into our last segment of the day, which we call Let's Make it a Double. We're near the end of the episodes of Things listening to the film and Whiskey Show. Let's pair another film with this one. Even if it's struggling. It's the final segment of the day. Now let's make it a Double. Let's make it a Double is presented by Blackwood Distilling Company. This is the part of the show where we pick a movie to pair up with this one to make the perfect double feature. Brad, I'm really curious which direction you went. With your let's make it a double today because I think there's a couple different ways we could go. The floor is yours, Sir.

1:00:17 I think I am going to pair this with another film that feels kind of like a documentary of realizing of historical events where they are under the gun to make something beautiful happen without any sense that it's actually going to go right. I'm going to pair this with Apollo 13. Oh, nice. Thanks, man. Yeah, I think it would be a really fun evening. I don't think I'm going to. I'm just going to spoil. If you already do, Bob, I don't think you should pair this with a baseball movie because I don't know if Moneyball at its core is a baseball movie. Yeah, even though we did an episode a couple years ago that was top five baseball movies and I'm pretty sure Muddy Ball was our winner.

1:01:07 So yeah, it feels like we're we're doing some revisionist history here now. Easily. I will gladly revise my personal history, Bob. I'm kind of with you in that like I don't know if it's fundamentally a baseball movie, but I do want to pair it with a baseball movie. And I think that if that's the case, then there's only a few you can really pair it with because I want to essentially focus on baseball action. And I think for that I will pair this week with A League of Their Own. I think you get both sides obviously of like front office and the team with that. You also round out like what makes the baseball action so special in that movie? But I actually think Moneyball might do a better job of capturing or contextualizing why we love baseball so much. You know, it's it's, it's almost as good as the James Earl Jones speech in Field of Dreams.

1:02:00 But we've also talked on this podcast, like I don't think Field of Dreams is really a baseball movie. Like Field of Dreams is a freaking weird movie that people remember like 2 scenes from. And so I think you can kind of capture that with Brad Pitt saying, how can you not be romantic about baseball? And then watching, you know, the the members of the the ladies of the All American League doing their Rockford Peaches thing. I'm going to pair it with a league of their own. Dude, any chance I have to tell the public about how funny watching Tom Hanks with a baseball club at like a nine year old kid is, I will absolutely take it and say you need to go watch A League of Their Own, if only for that singular scene.

1:02:47 Listen, I don't really buy into the like, you know, we've gone soft theory, but I don't think you get away with that scene in 2025. We no, you have to bring back hitting children in the face with baseball gloves, right? Dude, it's fascinating to think that like I feel like we've kind of hit on a theme in our in our season, because when I think about Moneyball, it's this idea of like an underdog who has a lot of insight into an industry that comes out on top. Like, tell me that couldn't describe The Big Short.

1:03:27 Tell me it couldn't describe Ford V Ferrari. Tell me it couldn't describe Spotlight Whiplash. Like I I feel like a lot of the movies we have highlighted from the last 25 years kind of fall into this vein of outsiders or underdogs that want to prove their greatness. I I don't know if I'm like grasping for straws here, but it it seems interesting to me. Absolutely. And I think that's like that's a major theme of what has made the great movies great over the years. Like that's a that's a Mr. Smith Goes to Washington kind of movie. That's a 12 Angry Men kind of a movie. It like, yeah, it it makes a lot of sense when you frame it that way.

1:04:11 Speaking Speaking of 12 angry men, I watched juror #2 the other day. What'd you think, man? Oh, I was good. It's a good movie. Here's. The problem? It's Clint Eastwood trying to make a 12 Angry Men. And Clint Eastwood does not have a nuanced bone in his body, especially at like 93. Well, first of all, I don't know that I would call 12 Angry Men especially nuanced in the arguments it's trying to make. But I think what Eastwood's doing there is he's like, I'm going to make kind of ACD 90s thriller. And it was marketed as like one man stands for justice. Like, that's not even remotely what that movie's about, you know?

1:04:52 Sure. So yeah, I'm glad you watched it, though, man. And and. With that, I liked it. It's like a 7 1/2 out of 10. Oh, for sure, but I but like it's a good 7 1/2. So with that, let's say that Let's Make it a Double was brought to you by Blackwood Distilling Company. No matter what movie you choose to pair this film up with, you can always make it a double with Blackwood Distilling Company and our friend Zach Johnston. Thanks again, Zach, for joining us. I'm super excited to continue drinking all of these whiskeys that Zach continues to give us. Brad and. Folks, in a few weeks he will be joining us to review JoJo Rabbit. That's what I'm talking about, man.

1:05:33 He's about to be here with some more whiskey. I'm so excited, man. If you have not tried Blackwood yet, you can get 5% off of your bottle by going to bourbonoutfitter.com and using our code Film Whiskey at checkout. That's Bourbon outfitter.com/film Whiskey. Use the code Film Whiskey at checkout. Thanks again, Blackwood Brad, it's time for final scores. I think I already said that I've been in an 8 1/2 on this movie for a really long time. It's starting to click into place why I think this movie is so quote UN quote, perfectly structured. I'm just having the spotlight problem again here, and I think that I'm going to give it a nine out of 10, but I don't know if my actual enjoyment level or entertainment level will ever let me go higher than that. Yeah, I Bob, I'm sitting at an 8 out of 10. I think this is a really fun, interesting, solid movie. There's just not enough oomph to it to make me want to give it a higher score.

1:06:34 And then, and there's more than enough like average elements to the film, like 6 1/2, seven out of 10 elements to the film that I'm like, yeah, it has some great pieces, some great acting. Like if you take Philip Seymour Hoffman out of this movie, it's like a 7 out of 10 for me, 7 1/2 maybe. So like that there's elements that raise it beyond where it ought to be. I, I, I don't think it's actually a truly great film, but it's really enjoyable and really fun and an easy way to pass. I, I think it's like an hour and 50 minutes, I want to say so. Yeah, Great. Like, great movie, not overbearing, really fun to watch. And truly the the scene when Pitt and his assistant are at Hatteberg's house and they're talking about how hard it is to play for a space is incredible.

1:07:30 So I yeah, there's a lot to love here. 8 out of 10 for me. All right, Brad, so let's answer the question. Is this a modern classic for you? No. Yeah, once again, I'm gonna give my sports movie caveat. You got mad at me when I did this for Creed, but I think it applies here too. Like, there are not a lot of good sports movies in the 21st century. So on that criteria, it kind of automatically qualifies. I think if we're just talking like, let's pick the 30 or 40 best movies of the 21st century, then that's a no really good movie. But it, you know, it's just not quite there for me. So folks, that's where we're at on Moneyball. We're coming to an 8.5 out of 10 on average.

1:08:10 But we'd like to hear what you think. You can find us on any of our social media accounts, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok or YouTube at Film. Whiskey. Or if you want to join the conversation, you can join our Discord server. We're on there every single day talking about movies, whiskey, and all sorts of other things. You can find a link to the server at the end of every single one of our show notes. Next week we'll be back talking with our friend Zach Johnston about the movie JoJo Rabbit, a film that Brad and I really enjoyed and it seems like the entire Internet hates at this point. Should be a fun conversation, Brad. I'm looking forward to that one. So join us for JoJo Rabbit next week, but until then, I'm Bob Book. I'm Brad G.

1:08:54 And we'll see you next time.