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1990 director, Rob Reiner and

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star.
Kathy Bates gave the world.

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A stunningly terrifying.
Thriller about a man forced to

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live out his worst nightmare in
2022.

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We try a special release ride.
That's only available in the

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states of Ohio and Pennsylvania.
The film is Misery.

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The whiskey is old Overholt
11-year and we'll review them

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both.
This is the film and whiskey.

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E podcast,
welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Where each week, we review a

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classic movie and a glass of
whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm your number
one fan, Bob.

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And we are getting spooky for
Halloween, Brad.

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Happy Halloween to you, my
friend.

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Hey, Happy eve of All Saints Day
Bob, there you go Bret.

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I have you ever been like a big
Halloween person?

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I am not a big Halloween person.
I literally was walking with

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some close friends the other day
and, you know, there's all of

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the accoutrement knickknacks
that people like to put in their

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yard and I'm like, I'm not a fan
of Of two types of Halloween.

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I'm not a fan of like, creepy
Halloween, you know, like the

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legitimately scary like ghoulish
figures that what people will

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put in their yards and stuff.
And I'm here, and I'm not a fan

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of slutty Halloween.
Those are like the two things.

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I don't understand why people
are drawn to her.

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I get why people are drawn
towards the second one.

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Yeah, not as much, the first
one, I get it.

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And through the course of this
podcast, we have not done a ton

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of Horror films.
And part of that is because I

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think horror is just between the
two of us.

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Probably our least favorite
genre easily and that's not to

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say that there aren't great
horror movies out there that I

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don't appreciate horror.
I think a lot of the horror that

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we've done to like major horror
heads out there would probably

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be, you know, the light beer
version of what you're used to

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watching.
And I'm okay with that.

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I know we did like alien and
season taylean we've done the

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sixth sense, we've done, you
know, psycho so there's been a A

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few Silence of the Lambs, I
think would qualify.

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Oh yeah.
And I think today's episode Is

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straddling that same line
between horror and Thriller and

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I think I would probably tip
this a little bit closer to the

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Thriller side of things than the
horror side of things, but

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spooky nonetheless.
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And I, if I'm just being honest,
this is our damn podcast.

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And we're going to do the boobs
who would damn well, please.

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Well, for Halloween, we are
kicking off three movies from

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the director Rob Reiner and
Brad.

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This is the third Rob Reiner.
Homes that we've done on the

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show.
And honestly, I've been looking

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forward to Rob Reiner more than
just about any other director on

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this list this season because
he's so hard to pin down as a

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director.
He doesn't have a certain

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aesthetic that he sticks to, he
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he's not, if I'm being frank,
the most artistically gifted

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director and so you might not
even know that you're watching a

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Rob Reiner movie when you're
watching a Rob Reiner movie and

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yet, with this, Being the third
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We've watched, I am starting to
pick up on some patterns and

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some things that he's really,
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So I'm excited to talk about him
as a director, both the good and

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the bad.
Yeah, and I think that misery

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kind of there's pieces of it
that you see as a blueprint for

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some other movies that I found
really fascinating throughout.

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There's also just the reality
that Rob Reiner originated as a

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comedy TV director.
Right?

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Like an actor.
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All in the Way he acted.
And so I think a lot of people

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probably doubted him as a
director coming into the

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projects, like this.
But I will say, there is Shag in

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this movie and there's places
where you're like, oh this is

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not a - director, you know, it's
not even always a b-plus

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director like he has some issues
but oh my gosh dude, what a

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freaking terrifying movie.
Well, and I think one thing that

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we do need to point out It too.
Is that the script for this

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movie was written by William
Goldman?

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Who is revered as being one of
the greatest screen writers of

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all time and especially from the
point of view of structure, his

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scripts are just always kind of
airtight when it comes to how

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they're structured.
And Rob Reiner worked with him

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on The Princess Bride, which
we're going to do in a couple

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weeks here.
And, you know, apparently they

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got along so well that he
brought him on board to adapt

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this.
Stephen King novel.

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Now, this is our first Stephen
King adaptation Brad.

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We've never done a movie like
Carrie, On this podcast and

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Stephen King is kind of
notorious for liking some of his

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film, some of his film
adaptations and disliking

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others, you know, notoriously
famously hated The Shining but

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he loved this version of misery.
So I think you know it's

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important to say author
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You've got a great script behind
it and the script, I think does

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a lot of the heavy lifting that
sometimes Rob Reiner 's

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directorial, deficiencies these
are covered up by if that makes

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sense.
But we're going to get into

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talking about all that in the
course of this episode.

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Before we get started here, it's
time for us to throw over to

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Brad explains the part of the
podcast, where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the film that he has
just seen often for the first

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time.
Brad.

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Before you even go into Brad
explains, I want you to just

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share with with our listeners.
How many times have I checked in

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on you over the last couple
weeks to make sure that you had

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not done any research on this?
V before you went into it about

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14 times too many Bob.
So yeah there's one very famous

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very iconic scene in this movie
and it is like a

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stomach-churning, make you say
oh kind of scene and I just

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wanted to make sure that you had
no prior exposure to that scene

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and we're not going to spoil it
yet but we will get into

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spoilers on this episode.
But all that to say I wanted

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Brad to go into this with as
little knowledge of the movie as

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possible, so that scene could
have the intended effect and now

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Brad's going to talk about that.
As we get into Brad explains.

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I've put 60 seconds on the clock
here.

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Brad.
Can you break down the plot of

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misery and say, do you want me
to just explain that seam or

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please, please do misery is a
film about a novelist named Paul

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Sheldon.
Who seemed I would assume that

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he's writing like Me romance
novels, right, Bob?

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Yes, okay, that that's what it
seemed like to me when you

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looked at the covers, he writes
steamy romance novels, and he

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goes to a remote part of
Colorado, to finish his final

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book in the series.
Actually, it's his first book

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outside the series.
I apologize on the way home, he

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gets caught in a blizzard almost
dies.

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He is found by a nurse named
Annie Wilkes, who takes him to

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her home.
Unable, to take him to the

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hospital because of the
blizzard.

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She nursed him back to health.
With only for him to find out

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that she is.
His number one fan and is

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drugging him to keep him sedated
enough to live in her house and

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he becomes a captive, her hope
is that he'll fall in love with

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her and that he will write her a
better ending to the stories

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because he had killed off the
main character of the books,

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which was absolutely
unacceptable to an E5 s.

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Local sheriff realizes what's
going on and tries to help him

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time while in the end Has to
help himself.

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No nice.
Hey ran over a little bit but

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you landed the plane?
Yeah, the the recorder can

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strike the last five seconds for
the record.

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All right man, so I think a good
place to start is to get the

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Stephen King of it all out of
the way because we're not really

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going to talk a whole lot about
Stephen King other than to kind

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of touch on the foundations of
this story.

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So he writes this novel as he's
coming out of the 1980s, which

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Which for him, meant heavy,
heavy, heavy cocaine addiction.

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And here's a question, I always
have when authors and, you know,

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pop stars and all these people
are, like, yeah, I just super

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addicted at all the cocaine like
can that be used in a court of

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law?
Do they?

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Wait ten years before they admit
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There's a statute of limitations
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Yeah, on admitting to heavy
cocaine use, you know, I don't

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know.
I mean, if you can't prove it,

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you can't charge anybody with it
but But yeah.

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So, anyway, Stephen King heavily
addicted to cocaine.

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It really ruined his life.
And this story was him, kind of

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exercising.
Those demons and he's gone on

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record to say that.
Obviously, the writer in this

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story is a stand-in for himself,
but that the Annie Wilkes

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character is really a stand-in
for the, the crippling sort of

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addiction that.
He faced literally crippling

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addiction that he faced with
with cocaine, would you use the

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word hobbling?
I would say it hobbled.

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Him.
Ah, okay.

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Gotcha.
You repeatedly, it was like, it

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was like a sledgehammer of a
now, I don't mean to make light

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of cocaine addiction.
Let's seriously, let's, let's

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move on from there.
Probably shouldn't do that.

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He'll probably shouldn't should
be joking about that.

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However, the the book as with
most Stephen King books is

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significantly weirder than the
movie adaptation.

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And if you've ever looked into
like the book version of it

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versus the movie version of it,
it's much much weirder.

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It's just a thing with Stephen
King and in the Version, the key

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scene that we have been talking
about and I'm going to tip into

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spoiler territory here.
So if you have not seen the

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movie, I mean, Brad, you can
give people a better

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recommendation that I can, but I
would recommend going into this

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movie cold.
If you can, yes, 100%, we do

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this from time to time.
There are certain movies that

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are just so twist.
Not, I don't want to say twist

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dependent, but like they're just
really good if you don't know

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what's going on like it.
It's like reading a good book,

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you are stuck.
You're stuck on each page like

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can't wait for what's going to
happen next.

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And this is one of those movies.
All right.

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So there's your warning.
If you want to keep listening,

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keep listening.
But we're going to spoil the

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most important scene in the
movie and he hobbles.

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Paul.
And she does so, because she

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finds out that he's been
escaping his room and because

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she's cuckoo and so she brings a
giant, a giant block of wood

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into his room.
He's already been immobilized in

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terms of Then his his legs
braced, because he had compound

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fractures, he's kind of on the
mend, but he's been getting

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around in a wheelchair and he
wakes up to find that he has

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been strapped down to the bed.
And that Annie has a block of

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wood that she places between his
ankles and she takes a

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sledgehammer and she freaking
annihilates.

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My guys legs, like just that the
image of that angle, snapping,

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oh, is just there's a level of
like Hence watching intense pain

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that I would I would call
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Like it made my butthole pucker.
Yeah, just being honest with

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you, dude.
It reminds me of when Gordon

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Hayward went to the Celtics.
Oh dude, and he was playing

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Cleveland and literally game 1
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Yeah, man.
And just came down funky on his

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leg or, you know, the more
famous One would be the

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low-level player.
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Like it's that level of
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I mean it's an old and very
effective and dude, 2.2 Kathy

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Bates for a second.
The way that she knocks the one

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ankle off off being a little,
you know, relative term and is

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walking to the other side and in
the middle like this is a moment

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where the choreography like the
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him where she delivers her line.
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between her two.
Ian's of very unloving actions.

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She goes.
I love you.

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Paul.
Just delivers it with this

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dead-eyed.
Yes Solace.

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All right, so anyway I brought
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the book version Stephen King
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His one leg off with an ax and
then cauterize it with a blow

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torch and I got the later in the
novel, she actually cuts off one

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of his thumbs to William
Goldman, when he's writing the

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script is like, in love with
this scene and Rob Reiner is

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like we can't do this and
William Goldman, Advocates and

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Advocates and Advocates and the
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Keep saying like we're not going
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Get his leg cut off with Max and
Ryan are actually says listen I

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understand that we're not
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least need to be able to
understand where she's coming

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from and her actions need to be
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Oil outpouring of her, severely,
damaged mind.

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And if we show her doing that,
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the audience, that they'll never
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But hate this character from
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to some extent, obviously we
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think what he's trying to say is
like there's a level of sympathy

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that you still kind of have to
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for her to do that would
completely suck and and sap all

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that out.
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those instances where and
William Goldman said this after

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the fact they made the right
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Like, I don't know that this
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that level of Gore added to it.
And it was much more effective

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to see what she did.
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probably had an even stronger
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would have to somebody getting
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into the the more common trope.
Like a slasher film of, you

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know, just I'll blood spurting
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it and he is and honestly I
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from the visceral nature of the
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movie.
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You know where blood is seen for
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Axe, Murder e type of seen
earlier in the film, it really

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would have taken away from that.
I feel like this movie would

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almost play better to a 2022
audience just for the simple

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fact that I feel like we've come
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understanding of mental illness.
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comes across a little bit more
sympathetic, just for the idea

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of like, oh, we like can
understand that mental illness

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is a real thing that people
really struggle with and you can

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see her From time to time as a
man, like, what's going on with

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her?
Like, like, this poor lady is

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under such delusional things and
doesn't make her actions, right?

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But you know, you don't
necessarily keep the the blame

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on her as much as you might have
in 1990.

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So I think that's a really good
segue into talking about the way

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this movie is put together.
And, I mean, do we want to dive

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into the Rob Reiner conversation
now, or do you want to do

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performances first?
You choose Bob, you lead us in

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the right direction.
I'm sure, let's talk

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performances.
So, this movie, this movie comes

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out a little over 30 years ago.
Now, and I think in some ways

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the movie has has aged kind of
poorly like the look of the

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movie, some of the pacing of the
movie, some of the shots, you

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know, like you said it, it
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sometimes, and at the same time,
even though Kathy Bates is

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character and performance,
frankly is so over-the-top and

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kind of meant Be kind of, you
know, a little bit comical at

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points.
I still think that she gives and

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and imbues that character with
sympathy that a 1991 audience or

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was it 91.
This came out, 1999, chatter

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that a 1990 audience wouldn't
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Do you know what I mean?
Like there's I think this

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performance is really ahead of
its time.

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Even though there are elements
to it, that are so over the top

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that it also still feels very
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Yeah.
The the movie really kind of

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has, I don't know, I'd have to
watch it again to find the clear

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delineation but there's there's
a certain shift in the movie

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where Reiner becomes less Campy.
You must cheat.

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That's a good word.
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And and it becomes a lot more
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It felt like in the first half
of the movie, there's just a lot

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of moments that feel like it's
just a really cheesy Montage of

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Paul getting used to his new
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Hmm.
And I really struggled with some

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of the choices that Reiner made
at the start of the film whereas

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by the end of the film, I'm
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I'm 100% with them.
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Well, and how does that
translate to Kathy Bates and her

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performance?
Hmm, at the start Kathy is

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trying to play off the innocent,
you know caretaker and it works

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in certain moments but I think
that Reiner almost over directs

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and uses the camera a little bit
too much to give emphasis on

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certain things and sometimes it
works.

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But I think sometimes with Kathy
Bates at all it just doesn't

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always quite Click for me.
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Yeah, I think and I think you're
right in that there is a sort of

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clear delineation in this movie
where Reiner stops doing the

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silly camera tricks and he
stops, you know, like there are

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moments of this movie where it
almost felt like Rob Reiner was

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trying to mimic Sam Raimi and
like his like goofy.

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Campy Evil Dead shots.
There's a lot of Dutch angles,

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there's a lot of extreme
close-ups that come out of

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nowhere and they happen.
The first few times that Annie

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loses her cool and just
immediately Really snaps and

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becomes a different person.
And I feel like those scenes

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would have been so much more
effective if he had just left

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the camera on her so that you
could watch the facial

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transformation from completely
calm to like unhinged.

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And I don't think necessarily
that it's a fault with Kathy

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Bates as performance.
But like you said, when the

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movie settles down and reinert,
lets his two stars.

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Do you know the guy was, I do
the talking but you know what I

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mean?
Like be the focal point.

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I think that that's when Kathy
Bates His performance really

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shines for me.
It's kind of like when they have

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the dinner scene together, and
she is like it her most

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enraptured with him and really
turning on the charm and being

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as innocent and she's really
made herself up.

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She looks quite lovely, like,
from there, to the end of the

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movie.
I'm like, I understand why you

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won the Academy Award?
It's I mean it really is.

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It's a very brave performance,
it leans into camp on purpose.

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It goes over the top on purpose,
but I think she also gives it it

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quite a few layers that that
character didn't necessarily

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have on the page.
Yeah, I think what you pointed

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out is true.
I think that they, because of

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reinders choices.
It gives away Kathy Bates and,

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you know, an Annie Wilkes
character way before it was

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necessary.
Hmm.

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Like I think it's okay that they
have some hints early on that.

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She's a little bit unhinged but
it feels like from the very

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start you immediately know.
Oh, this ladies Nuts.

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And, and then it just feels like
maybe a better director, could

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have teased out the The romance
that she was looking for of her

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being more Charming for a longer
time period, before she snapped,

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I think that probably is kind of
the hitting the nail on the head

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for what my frustration was with
the early half of the movie.

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So this movie is like a classic
two-hander, which is just a way

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of saying, there's really only
two main people in this movie

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and they cut away.
Every once in awhile to this be

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story about the sheriff and his
hunt for the what he thinks is

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going to be the body of Sheldon,
but the other character in this

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movie is Paul played by James
Caan and Brad.

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I don't know if this is going to
come up into facts in a

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falsehood, I hope it doesn't but
I don't know if you've seen the

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list of people.
They offered this part 2, but

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it's like 15 people long before
they got to James Caan.

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Yeah, and I was really impressed
with a lot of the performers

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that they asked to do this and
of course they reached out to De

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Niro and Pacino and you know,
all of those actors, probably

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Nicholson at some point.
And I'm Really glad they didn't

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use one of those guys, because
especially coming out of the

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1980s like 80s into early 90s
Pacino, would not have been a

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good choice for this movie is
just way too over the top, but

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as I'm watching this movie, I'm
like, man, it is so good to have

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James Caan in here knowing that
he described his character as

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completely reactionary liked his
role in this movie is not to

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outdo.
Any whelks at any point, it is

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to underplay and it's to react
and I was As I was watching the

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movie, like, who else would have
done a good job at this?

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And I think like a Gene, Hackman
would have been a really great

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choice and it turns out they
offered it to Hackman.

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They offered it to Dustin
Hoffman, they offer.

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I don't know if they'd offered
it to Duval at any point.

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But there's a few actors that I
thought were really capable of

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putting their ego in the
backseat for the sake of this

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movie and James Caan who is
known for being a very sort of

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Mercurial actor, like he likes
to blow up and be big on screen

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sometimes.
I thought he was phenomenal in

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this movie.
Yeah, well and it was

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fascinating because the fact
that you know, for me as

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somebody born in 1990 who did
not watch Misery, when it came

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out nor watched it, you know,
for the next 31 years of his

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life, Having seen the movie Elf
first, there were certain

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moments of this movie where I
was like, oh yeah, you know,

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Paul Sheldon, he eventually
became a Publishing House, you

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know, kind of guy and had a man
child that came to live with him

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and his family.
But but for this podcast, the

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only movie we've seen James Caan
in to this point, has been The

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Godfather where he plays Sonny
who is the complete opposite of

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this character.
And I barely remember that movie

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Bob Just isn't clicking for me
at all at the the what know the

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with other the The Who.
So no I want to.

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I do any hear your evaluation
performance though?

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Khan is spectacular.
I think that his ability to ride

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the tempestuous waves of the
Annie Wilkes typhoon.

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What if you how what a metaphor?
Dude?

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How long were you sitting on
that?

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Like I can just see like you
just see your like yellow legal

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eagle pad next to you and you're
like underlining tempestuous

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waves tempestuous waves, no, no,
no.

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The his ability to manipulate
her even as she is trying to be

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the Mastermind.
And I think that's what really

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makes this movie.
Work is the way that that Annie

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is trying to be a mastermind,
and con is clearly the more

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intelligent person, but because
of his physical Situation.

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He's unable to turn the tables
on her and you know the fact

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that they meet at the end of the
movie, where they're at an equal

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point of like either of them
could win the fight.

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I think that's like brilliant
writing but as far as the Wake

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On and racks with her, I think
that it's the most, it's the

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moment where he breaks and is
unable to pretend anymore that

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makes me love him as a
character.

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Doctor and believe all the other
parts, all the more, the moment

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where he flips and he off, I
believe it's like right after

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she hobbled him.
Hmm.

446
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:56,400
That that that's just freaking
killed me, man.

447
00:25:56,500 --> 00:26:00,000
I about lost it laughing at that
part of the movie.

448
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:02,700
So before we go to break, I do
want to touch on that a little

449
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:06,200
bit, you know, Reiner has his
roots in comedy and there are

450
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,800
moments of this movie where it
is very clearly intentionally

451
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,800
funny.
And I think again, some of the

452
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,100
over-the-counter Happiness, some
of the cheesiness in the first

453
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:18,200
half is also intentional.
I think writers, trying to go

454
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,200
for like a high camp horror
thing.

455
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,300
It doesn't necessarily work and
I think again, it works better

456
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:28,300
when it actually settles down
into a, you know, an outright

457
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:30,400
Thriller into the second in the
second half.

458
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,900
But even then, there are moments
in this film, where I laughed

459
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:37,200
out loud.
There's a great cut away when

460
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:41,400
Paul is going around the house
and he finds Annie's scrapbook

461
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,000
where she has been keeping the
Mentos.

462
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,200
Those of all the people, she's
murdered over the years.

463
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,500
She's serial killer, she killed
a bunch of babies.

464
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,100
She went to prison, and she kept
all the Articles from that.

465
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:51,800
And he's flipping through her
scrapbook.

466
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:54,500
And stumbles upon the moment
where he finds out that she's

467
00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:57,300
killed all these babies.
And then it just cuts to the

468
00:26:57,300 --> 00:27:01,500
hallway and him like Wheeling
across the hallway back into his

469
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:05,000
room and closing the door like a
way of just saying like nope!

470
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:05,400
Nope!
Nope!

471
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:05,900
Nope!
Nope!

472
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:07,800
And just boom, just closing the
door.

473
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,000
It was hilarious and it's very
intentionally done as well.

474
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:19,100
Is when the the Buster the the
local sheriff is driving with

475
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:21,200
his wife, who is the Deputy
Sheriff?

476
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:26,300
And she like touches his leg in
a very suggestive Manner and and

477
00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:30,100
he's like now none of that when
you're in the car with me,

478
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:34,200
you're my Deputy not my not my
wife and those are little nice

479
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,900
Goldman touches to and he really
knows how to put a button on a

480
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:38,100
scene.
There's like I think it's that

481
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:41,300
same scene where it ends with
with him saying something like

482
00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:43,000
yeah.
Sarcasm is the reason that are

483
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,000
Marriage is worked as long as it
has and it is sarcasm is the

484
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,100
spice of this marriage.
Yeah, yeah.

485
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,300
Yeah, Brad.
So.

486
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:53,100
I mean, I'd like to hear your
opinion.

487
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:55,800
Does the comedy work to help
lighten the mood?

488
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,000
Do you think it kind of muddies?
The waters?

489
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,600
What was your take on the sort
of intentional humor here?

490
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:03,900
Oh no, the comedy is absolutely
perfect.

491
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,900
I think it's especially true
with the, the sheriff in his

492
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:12,700
wife but he manages it in such a
way that he doesn't make Buster

493
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:18,800
a Ridiculous character, like it,
he makes him feel really real

494
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,200
and like, a living and breathing
person that I believe would

495
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:27,700
exist in small-town, Colorado, I
guess, for me, the, the comedy

496
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:32,000
mostly exists outside of Annie's
house in this movie, which

497
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,300
almost like thematically
reinforces that.

498
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:40,000
Like the real world is still
going on, outside of Paul's

499
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,800
existence, that people are
still, you know, Cracking jokes

500
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,600
about, you know, still wanting
to make love after being married

501
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,100
for 50 years.
And that that day-to-day

502
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:55,600
existence is still happening.
Which, you know, conversely

503
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,800
serves to heighten the tension
of what Paul is facing this

504
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,200
life-or-death situation.
So I yeah man, I think the, the

505
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:07,200
comedy is really brilliant, it's
just barely sprinkled into the

506
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:13,400
film, but it shows how Reiner as
a director can bring his In

507
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,800
comedy into a completely
different genre and use it to to

508
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,500
spice up, what's happening in
the film.

509
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,700
Well, and I think again, like it
demonstrates, like you said the

510
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:27,700
strengths that he has as a
director, to also know.

511
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:30,900
Alright, the script has hit a
point where it's kind of the

512
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:33,500
point of no return, there's no
more jokes happening in this

513
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:37,500
movie and even then Reiner looks
at that script and says like hmm

514
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:40,900
I actually think we need a
little bit of a release valve in

515
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:43,400
this one scene.
And you know, Or me, I'm

516
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,700
thinking of the scene where she
walks in no makeup completely

517
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:49,800
lethargic and says like here's
your pills and he says Annie

518
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,300
what's going on and she
basically just starts saying

519
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:55,000
like hey I think I'm going to
kill myself and maybe you too

520
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,500
and she pulls a gun out of her
like nightgown pocket, like her

521
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:04,900
bathrobe and says, I have a gun
sometimes I think I'm going to

522
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:09,400
shoot somebody with it.
Well, good night and walks away

523
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,000
and it's like the reaction shot
on James Caan.

524
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:18,200
Just going like, what the hell?
Now, click it, it's perfect.

525
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:21,100
And it's just, it's like a
little, Darkly humorous,

526
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:23,400
chuckle, and it was really
needed, at that moment of the

527
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,600
movie.
Yeah, I think it's really an

528
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:33,300
example of how every single
movie needs moments, where it

529
00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:37,500
breaks from what it's trying to
do for a minute, you know, the

530
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,900
there's very few examples I
think for me of like movies that

531
00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:44,800
don't give up on what They're
trying to do, you know, like

532
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,500
Lord of the Rings would be an
example where they just take it

533
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:51,800
super seriously, the whole time
and it works, but I think that

534
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,200
in a lot of, you know, more
common films.

535
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,800
It's really healthy to have a
slight shake-up of genre, every

536
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,500
once in a while to help the film
feel fresh and, like, it's

537
00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:06,700
moving forward and, and that
there's something happening in

538
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:08,900
here that feels something like
real life.

539
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:11,100
All right, Brad.
I think we're in a good place to

540
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:12,900
break at this point.
We'll come back.

541
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:14,300
We'll talk.
A little bit more about Rob

542
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:16,800
Reiner, what we liked what we
didn't, like about his

543
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,400
directorial style in this movie.
But first, let's try this old

544
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,500
Overholt.
What do you say?

545
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,200
I'm really excited, Bob, let's
get to it.

546
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,000
Alright, so today we are
checking out old Overholt

547
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,600
11-year.
Now Brad.

548
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,500
This is a whiskey that was sent
to us by our friend on

549
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:39,000
Instagram, the bourbon and Rye
Club.

550
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,700
This is a sample that came to my
house a year ago and I've been

551
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:47,000
we're just kind of waiting to
work it into the episode here.

552
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,000
When I got sent to my house we
were all pretty sure at that

553
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,300
point that this would be
discontinued it was released by

554
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:55,100
The Bean Corporation as a
limited release.

555
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:58,700
Thing in 2020.
They gave a whole overhaul to

556
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:02,900
the Overholt Branch.
They bumped it up from 86 to 90

557
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:05,500
Proof.
They made it a non chill

558
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:08,800
filtered thing they, you know,
they just added the bottled and

559
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,700
bond version back in 2017.
So they've been doing a lot to

560
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:15,200
expand the old Overholt brand.
And one of the things they did

561
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,500
was to release this limited
edition 11-year, Rye in only two

562
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:23,700
markets, Ohio and Pennsylvania,
this brand initially launched in

563
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:26,300
Pennsylvania and so they wanted
to Honor the roots of that by

564
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:29,000
releasing this only in those two
markets.

565
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,400
So they were, it was the only
time in my life, Brad in my

566
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,900
whiskey-drinking life where I
have had people from Kentucky,

567
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,000
contacting me and saying, like,
can you get me a bottle of this?

568
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,000
It's like a.
How's it feel now?

569
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,400
That's right.
Yeah, it's it felt pretty good,

570
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,000
man.
So all that to say, we were

571
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,200
really kind of clinging onto
hope that this might be renewed

572
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,300
on a yearly basis or even just
once in a while, but it looks

573
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:54,800
like this really was a one-off.
And so, I'm sorry to film in

574
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,700
whiskey.
Jen to do an episode like this.

575
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,500
We usually try to keep these two
things that are readily

576
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:02,000
available or that you could find
in your liquor store.

577
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,800
But Brad, I'm excited to try
something that is a little bit

578
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,700
off, the beaten path here in
this old Overholt, 11.

579
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:14,100
Yeah, and as I got into tasting
this earlier, I found myself

580
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:18,300
really enjoying this whiskey.
As I got into the nose, there's

581
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:22,100
a little bit of brown.
Sugar sweetness, that hit me

582
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:24,800
right off the bat.
And then, from there, I got

583
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,100
bits.
Of corn, some of the rice by

584
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,800
started to come out.
And then I got this really nice

585
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,300
note of like a salted butter
that just hit me in all the

586
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:37,900
right ways.
I really like the nose here and

587
00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:39,400
I give it an eight and a half
out of ten.

588
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:40,900
Yeah.
You're right this this smells

589
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:44,700
more like a spicy bourbon than a
rye and, you know it is.

590
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,500
I believe it's like 70 something
percent Ryan, the mash bill.

591
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:51,600
It's not a, it's an undisclosed
Mash bill but people have

592
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,700
speculated as to what the mash
bill is, but you're right.

593
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:58,900
It's Almost like a buttered ear
of corn with a little bit of

594
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:02,400
brown sugar and then some really
nice rise spice on it.

595
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,200
This is right up my alley man
and I'm really enjoying it.

596
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,400
So I'm going to give it an eight
point five on the nose.

597
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,300
Yeah.
And then I, as I got into the

598
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:16,300
actual palette, The Taste here
is just how decadence not the

599
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,199
quite the right word, but man is
it nice?

600
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:24,699
The for me, I got some butter.
A little bit of like, a soft

601
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:27,300
almond.
To flavor the rice by started

602
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:30,900
coming through in the mid palate
and then by the end, it had all

603
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:33,400
sorts of Oak and cinnamon going
on.

604
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:38,199
I thought it was a decently
complex palate that hit a lot of

605
00:34:38,207 --> 00:34:41,300
the right notes for me Bob and I
give it a 9 out of 10 on the

606
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:43,400
taste.
This is a really weird.

607
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,800
I don't know if I've ever said
this about a whiskey before, but

608
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,699
the Sensation that this whiskey
has on my palate, almost makes

609
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:52,800
it taste like it's a different
temperature than it is like,

610
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:55,100
have you really gone swimming
in?

611
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:58,400
On a really hot day in a pool or
in the ocean or whatever and

612
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,200
you've just gotten a mouthful of
like, warm pool water make,

613
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:04,400
that's kind of what this tastes
like to me.

614
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,600
It has a warmth to it that I'm
not used to picking up on

615
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,600
whiskies and I'm not just
talking about the alcohol burn,

616
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,500
but I think the alcohol is
making my mouth actually feel

617
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:16,300
like this is warm.
It's really interesting

618
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:17,900
sensation to have the you're
right.

619
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:20,300
The front of the palate.
There's really not much going

620
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:22,000
on.
It just kind of tastes like

621
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,000
alcohol and then towards the
middle of the pallet that Rice

622
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,700
by By starts coming out.
The alcohol comes in waves on

623
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:33,900
this so it's 92.6 proof.
It drinks like it's about 114

624
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,900
proof, and it's not just say
that it's harsh or anything like

625
00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:39,000
that, but it just tastes like a
really well.

626
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,300
Aged Barrel proof, rye, and it
really presents itself on the

627
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:45,700
finish.
And at the back end of the

628
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:48,300
palette Brad.
I'm not crazy about the flavor

629
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:51,300
profile on this, but I think
even just sipping it, I can tell

630
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:54,600
that this is well-aged and
pretty complex.

631
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,100
Give it a seven and a half on
the palate.

632
00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:01,000
Yeah, my I would say that the
finish for me is where this

633
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,800
really kind of starts to tail
off.

634
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:07,400
There are some nice notes that
that come along with it, some of

635
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,000
the rise sticks around, it gets
a little less buttery and a

636
00:36:11,008 --> 00:36:14,800
little more okey.
I think that there's just not

637
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,600
enough power behind the Finish
to really like move it through

638
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,700
to the finish line.
I will say, though, the thing

639
00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:26,100
that saves the score for me is
that the the flavor A lingers

640
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:30,200
for a really nice amount of time
and allows you to really sit

641
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,500
with the flavor long after you
finish drinking it, so I'll give

642
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:36,300
it a seven and a half on the
finish.

643
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:39,500
I think it's solid.
This is a this is a really weird

644
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:41,900
thing to say.
But I think that the fact that

645
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:44,700
the finish on this is not
spectacular and actually has

646
00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:50,400
probably the worst notes for me.
Actually benefits the early part

647
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,800
of the tasting on a second sip.
So like I swallow this, it gets

648
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,400
real.
Okey and kind of bitter and you

649
00:36:56,408 --> 00:36:58,900
can tell that like maybe 11
years was a little bit too long

650
00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:02,200
in the barrel for this.
And then I take another sip of

651
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,600
it.
And I'm like, oh, I'm actually

652
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,300
picking up things on the tip of
my tongue.

653
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:06,800
That I wasn't with the first
sip.

654
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:09,500
I got a lot of really nice Green
Apple notes on this the second

655
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:13,500
time around, but when it comes
to the finish and I guess what

656
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:16,300
I'm saying is the only reason I
can pick up those notes is

657
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:19,300
because the Finish really
dominates the pallet with these

658
00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:24,000
over oaked kind of bitter notes.
It's not a bad finish and again

659
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,400
like this is where you Get the
power behind this whiskey, but

660
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,200
I'm only going to give it a 7
out of 10 and that takes us to

661
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,200
balance where I think again,
I'll give this a seven and a

662
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,400
half out of ten, it's definitely
above average.

663
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:41,300
It's a really solid whiskey but
I just I don't know of 11 years

664
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:43,600
is the right age statement for
this Brad.

665
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:46,900
I don't know man.
I think that this this balance

666
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:48,700
is really nice.
I think there's some really

667
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:52,400
incredible flavors upfront that
kind of mellow out by the end of

668
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,500
it, but it gives it a decently
Experience throughout.

669
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:58,500
I'll give it an 8 out of 10 on
balance.

670
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:02,200
I think they do a decent job of
balancing.

671
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,000
The age statement on this with
the flavors that you're

672
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,100
experiencing to give you a
pretty great experience.

673
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,300
All right, that brings us to
price.

674
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:14,700
Now, this was $80 in the state
of Ohio.

675
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:18,100
I believe Brad when it was still
for sale in the state of Ohio,

676
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:21,200
MSRP was 75 bucks.
You know?

677
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,300
Of course, Ohio charges more
than MSRP.

678
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:26,700
Even when they're like one of
the only, The only markets it

679
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:30,200
the game, but this is hard for
me.

680
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:32,900
I remember actually, having like
a mini debate with our friend,

681
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:35,400
Chris Blattner, the urban
bourbon missed about this one

682
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,000
because it's just hard to
justify $80.

683
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,200
But it's also really, really
hard to find an 11-year Rye like

684
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,400
this just doesn't really come
across you know, the our desk

685
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,300
very often here.
So most other double-digit Rise

686
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:53,300
are going to cost you triple
more than double digit.

687
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:56,700
Yeah for sure.
So I mean based on its

688
00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:59,500
competitors, I think it's a
really good value based on

689
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:02,400
what's actually in the glass.
I don't know that I would pay

690
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,500
$80 for this whiskey, but it's
also the most affordable

691
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:10,300
double-digit age dry.
So, where are you falling on

692
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:12,600
this?
I gave it a 7 out of 10.

693
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:15,000
Hmm.
Like like I think that compared

694
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,300
to its competitors, it's not
quite as good as like a mick

695
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:25,300
ters, you know, Rai but it's
also a solid experience that II

696
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:30,800
honestly enjoyed a decent amount
and the fact that it is

697
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:34,800
impossible to get now and was
hard to get when it came out,

698
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:38,500
kind of brings my score down
some but I think 75 dollars

699
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:42,400
eighty bucks is about the right
place for this considering all

700
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,400
of the the the the factors.
So yeah.

701
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,100
Seven out of ten.
Yeah.

702
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:51,200
I'll give it a 6 and a half out
of ten on value and that brings

703
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,300
my final score to a 37 out of
50.

704
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:56,500
Yeah.
Just above you a few points.

705
00:39:56,500 --> 00:40:00,500
I'm coming to a 40 out of 50.
All right, so that's bringing us

706
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:06,000
to a 77 out of 100 or a 38.5 out
of 50.

707
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,000
This is above the point where we
would normally recommend trying

708
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,900
and or buying but you can't do
that.

709
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:15,200
So suck it, if you're at a bar
and they have this, you're

710
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,100
probably going to be charged a
premium for it because they're

711
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:18,700
never going to be able to
replenish it now.

712
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:21,700
So Brad I would imagine that a
poor of this is at least, you

713
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:25,900
know, eighteen to twenty dollars
for an ounce at a bar by now.

714
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:27,400
Would you pay that much to try
this?

715
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:30,500
No, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't either not to say

716
00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:33,400
that it's not good, but it's
just, yeah, you know, you can do

717
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,200
this a little more limited
things for this price point that

718
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,100
are just better experiences.
If you're in the hunt for

719
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:43,900
limited things and money's not
as much of an object for you.

720
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:46,400
Yeah.
Go for it like, like, it's

721
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,300
pretty good, whiskey.
If you're really, like, rarely

722
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:54,800
trying hunting type pores,
there's other ones you should

723
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,400
go.
Or alright Brad that has been

724
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,800
old Overholt 11-year.
What do you say?

725
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,900
We get back into talking about
Misery.

726
00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:05,800
I'd be really really pleased.
If you if you spent some more

727
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,800
time with me, Bob.
All right.

728
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:15,100
Let's get you understand.
All right, everybody that was

729
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:19,800
old Overholt. 11, a whiskey, the
Bob and I were both pretty good

730
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,200
on ya.
Pretty good.

731
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,200
Pretty good.
It's makes me feel nice and warm

732
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,500
and fuzzy.
Speaking of the warm fuzzies,

733
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:31,300
Brad, two facts in a falsehood
man.

734
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:33,800
I am am I right?
I'm riding high this year.

735
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,900
I know I lost last week, but
overall, I think I'm still mad

736
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:39,200
at me.
They're like ten and six or ten

737
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,300
and seven now.
Yeah, you're doing, you're doing

738
00:41:41,308 --> 00:41:43,700
pretty solid Bob.
We should probably actually We

739
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:47,300
keep track somewhere it's just
hard because I'm always editing

740
00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:50,500
episodes while we're recording
other episodes.

741
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:53,800
And so I don't know how many
weeks behind I am keeping tally,

742
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,500
you know, I'm above 500, that's
what counts filming whiskey

743
00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:00,200
Nation.
If you want to let us know as of

744
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:05,100
the misery episode, where we're
at, let's see by the time by the

745
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:07,800
time they listen to this episode
will have recorded like for

746
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,500
other episodes, so that's very
true.

747
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:12,600
All right.
So anyway, we're just going to

748
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,600
say that I am a Perfect. 16 for
16 or whatever the hell it is.

749
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,500
Yes, and yeah, sure here.
All right, Bob two facts in a

750
00:42:21,508 --> 00:42:23,900
falsehood.
It's the segment where I try to

751
00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:29,500
lie to you and get away with it.
So fact, number one, the

752
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:33,600
filmmakers originally considered
Bette, Midler for Annie, but Rob

753
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,600
Reiner felt it was a better
choice to cast an unknown

754
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,200
character or Unknown actress, so
that no one kind of had a feel

755
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,300
for the kind of person that
Annie would be.

756
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:51,400
A better move, you better move.
Ah Stephen King was initially

757
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,100
reluctant to sell the film
rights to misery because he was

758
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:57,200
skeptical that a Hollywood
studio would make a movie

759
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,800
faithful to his vision.
However King was very impressed

760
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,000
with one adaptation of his
Works.

761
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,500
Stand By Me in 1986 and agreed
to sell misery.

762
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:09,800
Under the provision that Rob
Reiner would either produce or

763
00:43:09,808 --> 00:43:13,800
direct film.
Fact, number 3, William Goldman,

764
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,200
slightly famous writer, who
wrote the film wanted, a more

765
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,400
active character of the sheriff
named Buster in the movie

766
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,300
version, and he wrote the role
with Mickey Rooney in mind.

767
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:33,000
However, Rooney had already been
cast in My Heroes, Have Always

768
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,800
Been Cowboys.
These are really good because I

769
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,100
know a lot about the making of
this movie.

770
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:42,200
And there's definitely some
truth in Everything you said, so

771
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,100
I'm trying to figure out what
little thing you changed to make

772
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:49,300
it false.
I know Bette, Midler was

773
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:54,100
considered for this part, and
I'm pretty sure that Rob Reiner

774
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:57,200
was not the one who suggested
Kathy Bates, I think.

775
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,700
William Goldman actually
suggested Kathy Bates and Rob

776
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:01,100
Reiner had never heard of her
before.

777
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,200
So maybe number one is false
based on that technicality.

778
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,200
Number two, I'm not sure if
that's true or not.

779
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,100
I know that again, he was really
jaded after the shine.

780
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,000
Inning.
He did love stand by me.

781
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,100
I don't know if he would, if he
like clung to this book super

782
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:20,500
hardcore and wouldn't want
people to make it.

783
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:22,300
But I'll keep that as a
possibility.

784
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:25,100
And then number three was about
William Goldman, but I can't

785
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:28,700
remember what it he wanted.
A more active Sheriff.

786
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:31,700
Do you in the movie?
I like that.

787
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,600
And I'm sure that that's that
it's true that he wanted the

788
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,200
sheriff to have a more active
role.

789
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:38,100
I don't know if he wrote it for
Mickey Rooney.

790
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,200
Mickey Rooney is probably Mickey
Rooney's pushing like 80 at this

791
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:48,500
point, I mean, look at what's
his face, though.

792
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:54,900
Yeah, it's either, too.
I don't know if I had at the

793
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:56,500
technicality of number one,
right?

794
00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:58,900
And then don't pick that as the
falsehood.

795
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:02,300
I'm gonna be really mad but
three sounds the most false in

796
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:06,600
general.
So I'm gonna go with three Bob

797
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:10,500
fact.
Number three is actually A

798
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:12,100
falsehood.
Yeah.

799
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:14,800
All right.
Cheers, my friend.

800
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:16,700
I appreciate it.
Thank you very much.

801
00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:18,300
Yeah.
All right man.

802
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,000
Let's talk a little bit more
about the movie.

803
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,100
I think this is a really good
movie.

804
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:28,300
I don't think it's a great movie
and I think that if I'm being

805
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:31,400
frank, it probably would have
been a better movie with a

806
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,600
different director and I like
Rob Reiner.

807
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,200
But when it comes to making
movies that require a level of

808
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:43,000
stylistic, Competence.
I don't know if Rob Reiner is

809
00:45:43,008 --> 00:45:45,400
your guy like even you know
we're going to watch A Few Good

810
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,800
Men.
It's a great movie and even like

811
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,000
in the final courtroom scenes of
A Few Good Men, if you look out

812
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,500
the windows of the courthouse
like there's the fakest looking

813
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:57,600
trees you've ever seen like he
just doesn't have a knack for

814
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,200
visuals the way that other
directors do I feel like there's

815
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:07,400
a documentary out there
somewhere about like set design

816
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,000
in Hollywood and it's called the
fake.

817
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:15,800
Akos trees you've ever seen, But
like this scene is spelled seee.

818
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,300
Any.
Yes you've ever seen?

819
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,000
I love it.
I don't know, man.

820
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,600
What do you think?
What are your thoughts on Reiner

821
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,800
as director here like from a
visual standpoint?

822
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:30,600
I think that the Dutch angles
work for me in this like the the

823
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:35,400
moments with Kathy Bates where
she's like angry and walking out

824
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,000
the front door and all of a
sudden the camera is tilted, you

825
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,300
know, like 45 Degrees off.
Yeah, I think I think a few of

826
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:48,400
those moments work.
There's just about three of

827
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,300
those moments, too many.
Yeah.

828
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,000
That's fair.
You know?

829
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,200
And so it's stuff like that
where I'm like, I think that

830
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:00,900
Reiner is still trying to
understand the Thriller genre.

831
00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:04,300
And if anything, you know, I
don't know if he ever really

832
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:08,400
returns to horror psychological
Thriller land.

833
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,300
Hmm.
But But this, this would be an

834
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:15,300
example of how when it comes to
being a director.

835
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:18,800
There's there might just be the
reality, we're staying in your

836
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,400
own lane can produce better and
better results.

837
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,300
Like, you know we've talked
about this with Tom Cruise.

838
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:29,200
He he stays in the action hero
genre and consistently, does it

839
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,700
better than everyone else?
You know, nerdwriter did a video

840
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:36,100
on Jack Nicholson and how he
stayed in the anger Lane his

841
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:39,900
whole career and does the
emotion of anger better than

842
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,800
Director actor.
And so I wonder if Reiner faces

843
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,000
that issue of like because he
kind of jumps from genre to

844
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:54,300
genre, he never really fully
grasps each individual one and

845
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:57,700
maybe he just benefits from some
really phenomenal writing and

846
00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:00,900
some great acting performances.
Yeah, I think that is the key

847
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:03,600
here.
Is that for all of his flaws,

848
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,300
visually, he really brings to
strengths to him.

849
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:10,200
Number one, his actors just love
him and you can tell like he's A

850
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,300
really good director of actors
and we'll see it obviously with

851
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:14,900
Nino Nicholson and A Few Good
Men.

852
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:18,800
And yeah he here I mean Kathy
Bates wins an Oscar like he

853
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,200
directs her to an Oscar and that
is nothing to sneeze at.

854
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,100
Right?
However especially an unknown

855
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:26,500
Kathy Bates.
Yeah right.

856
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:29,600
I mean she very, very little
known around Hollywood until

857
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,300
this movie and like she really
does have Reiner to thank for

858
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:37,100
that at the same time.
I think that his strengths in

859
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:40,000
comedy means that even if he
doesn't understand some of

860
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,100
Visual language of a thriller or
a horror movie.

861
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,000
He understands the timing and
the pacing of a movie because

862
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,400
he's so good at structuring
scenes.

863
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,300
You know, you see it with
something like When Harry Met

864
00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:55,100
Sally or spinal tap, he'll build
and build, and build a scene to

865
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:57,400
the punchline.
And I was watching clips from

866
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,700
spinal tap again, the other day
and the way that those scenes

867
00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:04,600
build to their punch line in a
really realistic way, is so

868
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,400
reminiscent.
And I think we set it on that

869
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,000
episode of The Office of parks
and rec, and the guy just

870
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:13,200
Understands how to kind of
Ratchet tension.

871
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,400
And you can leverage that in
comedy and in the Thriller, and

872
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,000
in these scenes in this movie,
where, you know, James Caan is

873
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,400
kind of hoarding.
All of his pills and getting

874
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,100
ready to poison Kathy Bates and
then they sit down to dinner

875
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:29,900
together and you're watching it.
And you're, I mean, you're so

876
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:31,500
enthralled.
And then when she knocks the

877
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:36,400
glass of wine over that release
that that almost comic beat is

878
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,600
just like oh no.
Like your hands go up and you

879
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,000
put your hands on your head like
oh no.

880
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:42,300
She spilled the wine.
It's the same thing.

881
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:45,200
When he's snooping around the
house, and she's coming home,

882
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,300
and it's a race against the
clock, to get back into the

883
00:49:47,308 --> 00:49:50,400
bedroom.
He's really, really good at the

884
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,400
suspense, elements of this movie
and I think it's because of his

885
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,500
comic timing.
Yeah and yet there's a few small

886
00:49:57,500 --> 00:50:02,200
things that irked me with that
of like when he when he puts the

887
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:07,800
penguin back we like everyone
knows that that's going to get

888
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,000
him caught.
Yeah and yet for Some reason she

889
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,500
doesn't notice it for like eight
months, you know?

890
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,000
Like however, long it is, it's
like four or five weeks later.

891
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:22,100
And she finally goes, I just saw
yesterday that my penguin was

892
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:28,000
not facing south and it faces
South Paul and you're like, but

893
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,400
that happened, like, 45 minutes
ago in the movie.

894
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:36,200
So, there's like, little things
like that throughout the film

895
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,500
that.
Yeah, and maybe that's just a

896
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:40,600
continuity error, that's not it.
Deal.

897
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,000
But I think that Reiner is a
director.

898
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,000
Visually can struggle sometimes.
I think sometimes there are

899
00:50:49,008 --> 00:50:52,400
certain parts of the movie that
don't coalesce super well.

900
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,000
But what you're saying is true,
his timing and individual scenes

901
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,000
is impeccable.
Like I remember my dad watching

902
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:05,500
a documentary on on Sinatra and
everybody who ever worked with

903
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:10,100
Sinatra.
Just said his timing is just

904
00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:15,400
innately perfect he has a way of
knowing exactly the The eighth

905
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,300
of a beat that he's supposed to
come into the song and when he's

906
00:51:18,308 --> 00:51:21,900
supposed to end, and he just had
this impeccable clock inside his

907
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:25,400
head and I feel like Reiner has
that with his scenes, whether

908
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:30,600
he's trying to ratchet up
tension for comedic effect in a

909
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,500
scene like the diner scene.
And When Harry Met Sally, or

910
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:39,400
when he's having Paul tried to
poison Annie, which I would say

911
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:41,800
might be the best scene of the
film.

912
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:43,700
Yeah.
I mean I would I mean obviously

913
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:46,400
I would say that iconic.
Hobbling sequence is probably my

914
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,900
favorite scene and I also think
that's his best seen visually.

915
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:54,700
And it's because the camera is
just very static and there's

916
00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:57,900
very simple setups.
A close-up shot of her a little

917
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:01,100
bit wider shot of her.
A reaction shot looking down on

918
00:52:01,100 --> 00:52:03,500
Paul in the bed.
You know, some once in a while

919
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:06,200
an insert shot of a block of
wood going between his legs,

920
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,800
things like that.
But what Rider does in that

921
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,200
scene that is so brilliant is
that she comes in and he's

922
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,800
strapped to a bed and so you
know, This is not going to end

923
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,100
well and she starts talking
about this practice of hobbling

924
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:22,200
and she puts his block of wood
between his legs and you know

925
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,100
what's coming?
Like you just know something

926
00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:27,400
bad's coming and he starts
getting fidgety and he says

927
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,900
Annie whatever you're thinking
of doing, please don't do it and

928
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:34,400
you can see her reach down out
of frame and you can kind of

929
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,300
hear the sound of her like
rolling around the sledgehammer

930
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:39,700
a little bit but you don't see
it.

931
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,700
And then all of a sudden, She
picks up the sledgehammer but

932
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:47,400
she picks it up when the camera
cuts to a close-up.

933
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,100
And so she just kind of gently
inserts it into the shot and

934
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:53,500
almost like caresses her own
face with it.

935
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:58,200
And it's such this like tender
movement to your point about her

936
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,700
performance there that she you
know, he could have really drawn

937
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:05,800
out like oh she's dragging the
sledgehammer, across the floor

938
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,300
and know it's like you don't see
the sledgehammer until the

939
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:11,900
second before she hits him with
it and that makes it even more

940
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:14,300
jarring.
And, and it's a moment like

941
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:18,300
that, that sets up a later scene
in the movie, when Buster is in

942
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:22,800
the house, the sheriff, he's in
the house, he's snooping around

943
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,200
very clearly.
Like she goes to get him a cup

944
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,500
of hot cocoa and he's like
creeping around the corner like

945
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:31,000
smiling at her.
Like yeah, you get me that Coco

946
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,600
and as soon as she's gone, he's
like almost sprinting upstairs,

947
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,900
you know, for an 82 year old
man.

948
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:41,500
Very loudly and very, very
loudly and opening doors but the

949
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:46,000
camera finally come Comes to a
halt, almost like it.

950
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,700
Had been moving behind the
banister.

951
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:52,200
As if it was coming up the
stairs and it sits there and you

952
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,400
think that she's going to walk
up from behind him, but then it

953
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,800
just sits there and you see him
looking around and it sits there

954
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,600
for just long enough that you
kind of forget the feeling that

955
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,200
she's going to appear and then,
boom, she just moves on the

956
00:54:05,207 --> 00:54:06,100
camera.
Yeah.

957
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:10,200
In the same way that that he did
with that, you know, still shot

958
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,600
on her face.
You hear it a tiny bit.

959
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,600
It.
And then a few seconds later, it

960
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,900
slowly Rises into view and it's
just one of those.

961
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:26,000
Oh, like, it's just so good.
So, you were talking earlier

962
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,300
about something that Reiner does
with his insert shots.

963
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:30,600
A lot in this movie where he's
giving, he's always cutting too

964
00:54:30,607 --> 00:54:34,100
close ups of people's hands
doing things, which again is

965
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:37,600
like kind of calling back to the
theme of the writer and it's

966
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:38,900
something that I don't really
pick up on.

967
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:41,800
But once you pointed it out I
was like, oh, that's actually

968
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:44,100
kind of a Elliott touch.
Yeah.

969
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:49,800
He he constantly points out.
People using their hands to do

970
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,000
work.
Like, I want to say early in the

971
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,200
maybe even the first shot of the
movie is his agent.

972
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,500
Like picking up a phone.
I want to say that that happens.

973
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:01,800
Maybe.
It's when she's calling the

974
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,300
sheriff of the town.
But like, you have these

975
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:07,500
pictures of people picking up a
phone and using their hands to

976
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:12,600
dial, you have pictures of Paul,
you know, slowly?

977
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:18,500
Taking a hairpin and bending it
and using it to try and pick the

978
00:55:18,500 --> 00:55:21,600
lock to his room.
You see her reaching in and

979
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,500
taking two little red pills out
and saying, here's your pills

980
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,500
and you don't see her say that
you just hear her voice in the

981
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:33,000
the the shot stays on her
fingers like holding the pills.

982
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,500
And when I say on her fingers,
like it is right up there on her

983
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:41,500
fingers like immediately on
there and it just keeps calling

984
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:45,700
back to this theme of like the
work that we do with our hands

985
00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:50,100
and what that says about us as
people and I think it's I think

986
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:54,100
for some of the flaws that
Reiner has visually, I think

987
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:59,100
that that was really effective
for me at setting the scene for

988
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:01,600
what we were to expect from the
movie.

989
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,800
Alright.
So with all that said I think

990
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,100
it's time that we do let's make
it a double Brad.

991
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:10,200
I'm gonna be honest with you, I
have not given a second thought

992
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,600
to this yet and so I'm going to
ask you to go first.

993
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,100
Pair this movie up with
something else to make a double

994
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:17,700
feature so that I can use this
time to think of something

995
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:19,800
myself man.
I'm going to Vamp for a little

996
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,600
bit because I didn't think about
it either.

997
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:32,200
I I'm trying to think of good
suspense movies that are also a

998
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,300
little bit psychological.
I mean like the obvious

999
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:37,700
corollary to this is rear
window, right?

1000
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:41,000
Like it's a claustrophobic be
with somebody that's laid up

1001
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,000
with a cast on his leg.
And Moreau Bob I've been

1002
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,600
thinking about this for a while
and rear window is my choice

1003
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,200
for.
Let's make it a double.

1004
00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:54,000
Oh man I can't think of it.
Usually I try to do something

1005
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,300
really clever or unexpected and
I got nothing man.

1006
00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:59,700
I think we should just say rear
window and call it a day here.

1007
00:57:00,700 --> 00:57:03,700
I think, you know, let's just be
honest.

1008
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,600
This is a very obviously
hitchcockian film.

1009
00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:10,800
I think that psycho would be a
good choice.

1010
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,500
Yeah, for sure.
I'm to pair with this.

1011
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:14,300
You know what, though?
I'm going to.

1012
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:16,400
I'm going to make a completely
different.

1013
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,700
We're just going off the beaten
path.

1014
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,900
I'm going to pair this movie
with another movie that involves

1015
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:26,800
a sheriff.
Who seems like they shouldn't be

1016
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,500
good at their job and yet still
gets the job done.

1017
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,500
You know what movie, I'm going
to pair this with Bob.

1018
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,800
I do not Fargo.
Hey, there you go.

1019
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:41,900
I cannot tell you how happy it
made me to realize that the

1020
00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:47,000
character of of Marge Gunderson
in some small way had to have

1021
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,200
been based on the character of
Buster in this film.

1022
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,800
Like Tell Me That You Don't See
the corollary.

1023
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,100
They're just a little bit.
Yeah, I love it, dude.

1024
00:57:58,300 --> 00:57:59,500
That /.
That's perfect.

1025
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:01,800
All right, rear window.
And psycho if you want to go

1026
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:05,100
like the obvious route and if
not throw on Fargo because we

1027
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:08,600
could always use an excuse to
watch Fargo, and they both have

1028
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,500
equally violent ending.
There you go.

1029
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:15,400
All right, man, Brad, I'm gonna
go ahead and go first with my

1030
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,900
final score, I'm going to give
this movie an 8 out of 10.

1031
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,300
I think that like it is made in
a way that would suggest that

1032
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:25,100
it's like a seven and a half,
but the script is really good

1033
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:27,600
and the performances are great.
I would even venture to say that

1034
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,600
I think James Caan is even
better than Kathy Bates who wins

1035
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,400
an Oscar for this movie.
I think that tribe that Reiner

1036
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,800
does what he needs to do when it
matters and that's what keeps

1037
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,200
this movie afloat.
So I think it's an 8 out of 10.

1038
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,700
Yeah, I think that I'm Literally
right there with you.

1039
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:45,700
Bob coming coming into this
review.

1040
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:49,300
I was first 30, 40 minutes of
this, I was like, oh this is

1041
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:54,400
like a seven seven and a half
but the mixture of Comedy from

1042
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:59,000
from Buster and his wife along
with the ratcheting up of

1043
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,600
intensity for Khan and Bates and
their characters.

1044
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:08,800
I was just hooked by the end of
this film and so, yeah, I think

1045
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,500
that this is an 8 out of 10.
It's a really great example.

1046
00:59:12,700 --> 00:59:18,200
Or of how the horror
psychological Thriller genre can

1047
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,100
shine and do well, without going
over the top, all right?

1048
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:25,000
Those are our scores for misery,
but we'd like to know what you

1049
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,800
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1050
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,800
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1051
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:34,300
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1052
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:36,300
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1053
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:39,100
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1054
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:41,500
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1055
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:43,000
single one of our show notes.
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1056
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,100
We will be back next week
talking about.

1057
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,100
I mean, one of the great scripts
ever filmed in Aaron sorkin's, A

1058
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:53,800
Few Good Men.
With one of the most beautiful

1059
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,300
actors ever to be on screen.
And it's not to me more folks.

1060
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,900
It is Tommy.
See my boy.

1061
01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:04,100
Oh man, I'm excited for that one
Brad.

1062
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,300
We will see you all next week
for that.

1063
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:09,800
But until then, I'm Bob book.
I'm Reggie, I will see you next

1064
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:10,100
time.