Iron Man / George Dickel No. 12

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In 2008 director Jon Favreau and
star Robert Downey jr.

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Launched a Cinematic Universe?
Unlike anything.

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The film industry had ever seen
in 2019.

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We go all Chris Stapleton with
our first Tennessee, whiskey.

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The film is Iron Man.
The whiskey is George Dickel.

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Number 12 and we'll review them
both.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast, where each week, we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and
this week we are looking at the

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2008, film Iron Man, Brad.
What do you think about when I

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say the words?
Iron Man, the moment you say

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that, I just hear that long Riff
on the guitar, that like droning

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intro, yeah, Black Sabbath word.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much

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that we're gonna get copyright
claimed just on that.

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Yeah, I mean, when I think about
Iron Man, now, it's hard to

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divorce this movie from like the
20 other, Marvel Cinematic

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Universe movies.
And so, when we sat down to

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watch this again, I had to kind
of shut off everything that I

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knew about the Avengers about,
you know, Infinity war and

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Thanos now.
And try to put myself in the

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place that I was in in 2008 when
this was kind of Marvel's big

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test for whether or not this
idea of a Cinematic Universe was

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going to work.
Yeah.

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And the funny thing for me was
that I for the longest time

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until I watch this again.
I genuinely didn't even think

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about this as the start of the
Marvel Cinematic Universe.

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Because in my head, I don't know
if I'd like conflated the to,

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but I thought that the
Incredible Hulk came out first

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so interesting and I was, I was
interested because I looked back

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and I was like, man, I am sure
that I saw Incredible Hulk in

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theaters way before I saw Iron
Man in theaters but Realize that

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they came out within one month
of each other within a month

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really within a month.
I think Iron Man came out in

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June and Incredible Hulk came
out in July.

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Wow, that's crazy.
So I probably did see the whole

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Furs.
Sure.

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But so in my mind that was
always the first one that didn't

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do so well.
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And then Iron Man was the one
that really set the bar for the

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rest of the universe.
See and I always have trouble

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like divorcing it from The Dark
Knight because it came out the

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same summer as the dark nights.
He had Marvel and DC go Dad each

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other.
Yeah and I mean it It's never

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going to be fair to compare
anything to the dark night

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because it's just, it's so
rooted in reality and the way

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Nolan constructs that movie, you
know, I watch The Dark Knight.

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And then I watched Iron Man
later, right?

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And I was always like, okay, The
Dark Knight is superior and I

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still think that.
Yeah but what Marvel was trying

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to do is something completely
different and it's not quite

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fair to compare it.
Yeah the dark night so Brad why

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don't we explain the plot of
Iron Man?

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Well see the funny thing is I
feel like every human being in,

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America has seen it sure.
So I don't Like I need to do

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this, right?
But we should forget the service

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that we are, right?
Yes.

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Yeah.
So Iron Man, as a film is about

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a rich Playboy billionaire, he's
the heir to the Stark fortune

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and over the Starks, the Starks
Like A Game of Thrones.

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Yes.
Okay.

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So rich Playboy, billionaire are
to the Stark Empire.

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The Starks were weapons
manufacturers throughout World

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War 2, and Beyond, and the the
Are you learn about Tony who he

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truly is a genius?
But he is captured while doing a

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weapons presentation in the
Middle East.

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And they are the terrorists are
trying to force him, to build a

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weapon of mass destruction.
And instead of doing that, he

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creates this Arc Reactor
technology, he puts it into his

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heart and he creates the Iron
Man suit which is a personal

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suit of body armor that you use
to kill.

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Lots and lots and lots of people
ship.

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So he escapes they take him back
here.

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Sides that he no longer wants to
make weapons, that his company

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shouldn't make weapons anymore
that they should help people.

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So, Obadiah Stane is the CEO of
the company.

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It's been Tony's, he's been
Tony's friends since they were,

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you know, Tony was a child and
he turns into the main villain

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who is trying to keep the
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Not only making money off
selling weapons to the US and

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their allies but also to their
enemy, right?

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He's dealing on both sides of
the table.

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I think it's a good summary so
that yeah and action.

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And Sue's, right and action and
Sue's, how many times do you

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think that you've seen Iron,
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Yeah.
So, I've probably seen the film

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five, six, maybe seven times.
Yeah, I'm probably about the

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same as you.
This is one of my favorite.

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Marvel Cinematic Universe
movies.

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I think it still holds up for
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I to get my Marvel take early on
out of the way.

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I struggle with the Marvel
Cinematic Universe.

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I really loved it at the start.
I loved Captain America and Iron

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Man.
I loved the First Avenger

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Where's Thor?
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they were all the same movie
done over and oh yeah it's

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definitely a formula now and I
think I hit my point of

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frustration when Ant-Man came
out because that's super hero

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that I do not care about at all
and, you know, you had Ant-Man

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and he had like, doctor strange
and I felt like they really

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started to get repetitive and
with the even more recent ones,

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like Captain Marvel or Ant-Man
the WASP.

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It's like you have to see this
to get crucial information about

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What's going to happen in end
gain, right?

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And I don't necessarily want to
watch a two-hour movie just to

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get info on endgame, right?
You know what I mean?

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Yeah, for sure.
I so I actually kind of stopped

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watching the franchise after
winter soldier.

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I was just still I looked it up
the other day.

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That's still 10.
Movies it.

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Yeah.
It's only like half of them a

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feast.
I know it's only half but it

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like that's still 10 movies
there and I felt like I could

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got a good glimpse of it.
I've seen and since since winter

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soldier I've seen Ragnarok and
Guardians of the Galaxy one and

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two.
Okay, so I've seen a few of the

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post Winter Soldier movies but I
just every time I think about

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getting back into them and you
know, I have some friends who

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are huge fan, boys of the Marvel
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I just there's something in me,
that's kind of, like, do I

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really want to do this?
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And I just have no desire to get
back into it, but watching Iron

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Man.
Again, I was reminded of why I

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love the franchise as much as I
did, sure.

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And it was difficult because
Iron Man set the formula for the

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rest of the franchise.
Young with the Incredible Hulk

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and Iron Man coming out within a
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They're two very different
movies.

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Have you seen the Incredible
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That Norton one.
I feel like I have but I don't

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remember anything from it.
Yeah, so I actually watched it

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again recently probably a month
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Man, and it really provided a
good contrast because the film

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Direction was different, like
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The sound that just all of it
was different, it was still a

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superhero movie but it just
wasn't It very good.

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Yeah.
Like I'd probably give it about

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a 4/5, okay, yeah.
Decent move.

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It was okay, right?
But when you compared to Iron

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Man, Iron Man's a really good
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Yeah, and the thing with Iron
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Marvel was banking on this being
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So it really did have a lot of
weight that it had to carry, but

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it's fun to go back and watch a
superhero movie where the stakes

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are kind of lower, right?
Where it didn't seem.

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Like the end of the universe was
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And the weight of 20 movies,
wasn't being born by it?

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Yeah, wait.
Like Infinity War does.

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It was nice to just be able to
watch an origin story where

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there's one big bad that he has
to defeat.

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And that's all there is to it.
Mean, it really is this sort of

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transitional movie between like,
the Sam Raimi, Spider-Man

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movies, and what you get later
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See you?
Yeah, I'm glad you brought up

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Sam, Raimi Spider-Man, because
his first Spider-Man, which I

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believe came out in 2000 or
2001.

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I think it's up to ya 02.
So, those movies were like my

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tune in to the superhero
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Okay.
And I think that they still

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stand up.
Oh, there's still want him to be

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Spider-Man. 2 is the best
superhero movie of all time.

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Yeah.
And I don't know if I'd go that

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far.
I like one a little bit better.

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I did too, but those movies I
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you know, the 21st century into
superheroes.

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Yeah.
In a way that we had never seen

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before.
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And so, I and Iron Man.
If Spider-Man was the start of

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this, Era.
I think Iron Man kicked off the

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Golden Age.
Yeah, absolutely era.

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Which truly has been the Marvel
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So let's talk a little bit about
the development of this movie so

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Iron Man had actually been a
character that had been in

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development for quite a while.
And the funny thing is we're

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going to loop back around to
some stuff.

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We talked about in Prior
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So way back in 1996.
Nicolas Cage.

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Oh was attached to play Iron
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Which is crazy because he was
also Also around that time he

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was doing tests for Superman
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I think Joel Schumacher which I
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them.
Have you ever seen the photos of

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him as Superman?
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So he had like rode his hair
long and stuff for Con Air and

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he was like doing screen test
for Superman with like a mullet.

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It's the funniest thing I've
ever seen.

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So he's doing screen test for
superman but he's also in talks

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to develop Iron, Man.
Obviously, it fell through, but

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we had just talked about him.
Thanks, buddy.

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Right.
It fell through a fully, we just

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talked about him last month
because they had been at some

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Developing a Howard Hughes
biopic right for Nicolas Cage.

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So he was all over the place in
the mid-90s.

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Yeah, later on.
Tom Cruise.

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Actually commissioned a script
to be written, so that he could

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play Iron Man.
And one of the co-authors of the

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script none, other than Stanley,
really.

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And that movie did not get made
either, huh?

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The funny thing is, I feel like
those are Tom Cruise movie.

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He wouldn't have actually had
like, the boosters that he finds

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a rabid, Horseman riding
everywhere.

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I still would have been okay
with that.

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Oh, what a person.
ENT.

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So, at this point though, Jon
Favreau has kind of kicked off

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his directing career, he's had a
couple of big hits.

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He's actually just coming off
of.

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I think else was like the last
movie that he had made at this

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point and so a little fun fact.
If you don't know who John

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Favreau is, he's The Bodyguard
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I'm happy.
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.
He gave himself a role in the

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movie, but people knew him from
the 90s when he was at was the

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movie called swingers.
Yes.

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So, I mean, he had been a pretty
popular actor and then

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transitioned into directing, he
was given kind of carte blanche.

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Free range to cast this movie,
then he finally decided to give

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it to Robert Downey jr.
Which was a very controversial

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Choice when you're choosing to
kick off your massive 20-year.

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Yeah, movie plan with Robert
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Who at that point had been in
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Marshals.
Well, Robert Downey jr.

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Had been around since the 80s
but he had this really really

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deep severe drug addiction,
right and taken him, kind of way

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out of Hollywood.
And so this was his really his

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big comeback.
He had made a movie, a few years

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earlier called kiss Kiss.
Bang, Bang.

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Okay, that Jon Favreau.
I really enjoyed and based on

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that, he offered him an
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Was not the only person that was
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Favreau had originally talked to
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you Jackman had already man.
He thought, you know, I'm

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already been established as
Wolverine.

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Would be weird for me to be
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Yeah, so he was considering
Clive Owen for the role, huh?

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And also Sam Rockwell, who went
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I don't know.
I love Sam Rockwell.

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Yeah, I can't see him.
Iron Man, not at all.

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He invited Robert Downey jr.
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Timothy Olyphant had come in to
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have been an interesting Iron
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I don't know if I know enough
about Timothy Timothy.

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Olyphant what has he been in?
He's in the office.

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Yeah he plays Danny cordray the
yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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I don't know if I would have
bought him as Iron Man though.

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Yeah, he the thing about Robert
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And I'm realizing that I've said
this a few times in previous

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podcasts.
And the more I say it the more I

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realize I value it, he comes
across.

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So genuine.
Hmm, you know what I mean?

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Like like like genuinely smug
and genuinely arrogant, right?

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But he really embodies that the
genuine smugness and genuine

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arrogance leads you to believe
him when he has a change of

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heart.
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And I think that's and that's
what I mean when he gives a

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genuine performance that he
truly embodies the character.

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Like I don't think that I'm
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Playing I, you know, Tony Stark
I'm just watching Stony star and

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it's really hard to tow that
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arrogant person and not lose the
audience.

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Yeah like he's clearly an
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still Charmed by him, you know?
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about that you brought up Batman
earlier in the dark night we get

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a few images of Bruce Wayne, the
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jr.
Pulls off the Playboy part

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better than When Christian Bale
Christian Bale might pull off

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the superhero part, right?
A little bit better than Robert

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Downey jr.
Yeah, definitely.

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So let's talk about the rest of
the cast, though, is there

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anybody that sticks out to you
the performance that you want to

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talk about?
I liked going to Paltrow I so

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much dude.
And and the funny thing is

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watching her character, develop
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and into the Avengers movies.
They don't give her much to do

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here.
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And she's still in my opinion
she's like stealing the show and

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some of these scenes.
Yeah they give her one of the my

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favorite.
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Two, taking out the trash.
Yes, the trash line is so good.

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I love Gwyneth Paltrow.
And this movie, you've got

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Terrance Howard playing Roadie
who then becomes War Machine

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writing, but future movies.
Terrence Howard, doesn't come.

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It does not come back.
Don Cheadle actually replaces

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him in the second movie and it's
like a big Hollywood sort of

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hush-hush rumor about.
Why Terrence Howard got moved

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out, okay?
There's conflicting arguments

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about apparently he was the
highest paid person on this

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movie.
Really.

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He was just coming off an Oscar
nomination, for Hustle, & Flow,

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he was really in demand, and
they said that after the success

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of the first movie, his story is
Marvel came to him for the

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sequel and kind of low-balled
him and said, take it or leave

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it.
This movie is going to be

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successful without you, right?
And he left it and it has turned

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out to not be the wisest
decision for his career.

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Yeah.
Because Don cheadle's now been

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in like what?
Five or six MCU movies.

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Yeah.
And actually for being honest

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I'd like Don cheadle's portrayal
of her so much better.

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Yeah.
Terrence Howard does not work

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for me in this movie.
Is probably one of the few

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performances in this movie.
That felt kind of method to

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yeah.
Like he just he was there,

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right?
But his inflection the way he

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talked and the way he interacted
with Tony, there's no chemistry.

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I felt like between him and
Robert.

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Not at all.
There was like no Rapport there

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and they're really needed to be
for you to care about war

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machine at all in the next film.
So I want to talk for a second

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about Jeff Bridges.
Yeah, because I love Jeff

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Bridges.
He's a fantastic actor.

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Huh?
I don't know how I feel about

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him in this movie.
I loved him in this.

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Movie.
He I mean he's like chewing

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scenery left and right, like
they're giving him free range to

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just be like the biggest
villain.

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Yeah.
And steal the show.

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Yeah, but like, he's the bad guy
from the first time you see him

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like at the beginning of the
movie when they first show him

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at that reception right?
I'm like oh that's the bad guy

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really this bald guy giving like
a weird glare at the stare at

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the stage.
He's the bad guy.

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Oh I didn't pick up on that at
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Really watch it.
No, huh.

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I think at some point I think
it's after he Tapes.

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I'm trying to think of when it
is in the movie.

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But at some point, I remember
thinking I'm like, oh, he's the

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one, like, blocking him out of
the, the stead, the CEO meteor.

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Yeah, the board meeting.
Yeah, and all that, and I was

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like, oh, he's the one doing all
this and it was before they, you

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know, revealed it.
Yeah.

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But it wasn't right away.
See, I really liked what he was

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doing with the character up
until that final scene and the

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last one third of the movie or
whatever.

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When they find out.
Yeah.

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When he gets in that ironmonger
suit.

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Yeah, I just The movie falls
apart for me there and you get

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like the Jeff Bridges doing a
voice thing.

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We're oh damn it sounds like
he's trying to sound big and

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bad.
Yeah, good broker Tony it just

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none of that works for me.
See that's funny because that

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totally worked for me.
No, yeah, I was totally fine

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with that because in my mind
that wasn't Jeff Bridges talking

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that was him using like almost
like a PA system to project his

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voice outside.
The, the machine, the sure suit

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that makes sense.
So to me, and what I mean, Man's

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voice sounds normal.
He just talks like Tony Stark.

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It has a little bit of a
mechanical.

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Yeah, I just it was the like
good perk your Toady.

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You know what, he sounds like
though.

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He sounds like the Kool-Aid,
man.

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Like he sounds like he should be
busting through a wall.

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I can see her tone.
He's like, oh no, no, no.

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What am I gonna do?
Oh no.

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Oh yeah.
Actor Tony.

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I want to ask a question about
Jeff Bridges character.

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Okay, so his name is Obadiah
Stane, which first of all, Best

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name of all time.
I was literally going to say

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that that is a good villain
named now, what exactly and pun

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intended, I guess, but what is
his endgame?

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Like, what what's obadiah's
plan?

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Because his whole, his whole
character thing as that he wants

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a controlling share in the
company, right?

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And so he pays terrorists to
kill Tony, right?

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They don't do it.
They fail.

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So he goes and kills all the
terrorists, right, right.

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Then he comes back to the US.
He files an injunction against

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Tony To gain control of the
company, but we never actually

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really find out if the
injunction went through.

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That's true.
And so, he just decides, I'm

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going to kill Tony and but like
why?

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Because like if you're that
powerful, and if you're able to

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hire a terrorist cell to kill
someone, right?

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Like you can't get an assassin
in the u.s. to do it.

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You have to go out yourself and
very publicly fight with him.

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What is Sasson from what movie
would you want to kill, Tony

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Stark?
I'm just saying like if he can

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somehow keep quiet that he has
an F, Gani Terror cell working

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for him.
Why would you decide as the CEO

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of this company to go out in
public and she like, shoot him

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to death?
What kind of like does he just

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think he's gonna get away with
it and then get control of the

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company and still be rich and
not in jail?

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Bob, maybe.
Maybe he just thinks that.

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That new technology is so
lucrative.

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Yeah, he'll just get away with
it.

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Well, I mean, and he says that
as much as I say that

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facetiously a little bit.
I think that it's true.

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Absolute power corrupts.
Absolutely.

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And when you look at obadiah's
character Arc, I think he kind

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of reached Is a point of no
return.

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When he decides you know what
Tony has given me his last

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golden egg.
Hmm, let's kill him off this

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technology is going to change
the world and I'm going to

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become fantastically Rich over
it.

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Yeah not that he isn't already
and so I think that that's the

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point where he just.
Yeah.

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He turns full villain mode.
Yeah.

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And he doesn't care what the
cost is to get what he wants.

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I get that.
We don't cross it.

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This is how we do business.
If we double dealing on the

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table, are we let's take a
picture.

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Come on, thank you time.
Do you think I was the one who

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filed the injunction against
you?

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Tell me where I can protect you.
It just seemed like he made some

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really huge jumps in logic and I
know that again I know it's a

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comic book movie.
Yeah.

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But I think the bar has been
raised so much on comic book

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movies in the last 10 years that
we have to kind of make these

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critiques a little bit.
Yeah you know like I really do

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think the last half of this
movie just kind of falls off.

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The first hour of this movie is
spectacular.

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The fact that they decided to
start this movie with 45 minutes

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in an Afghani cave, right?
Blows my mind, right?

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Like you're talking about a
big-budget superhero movie.

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That is essentially just, you
know, a war on terror film for

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its first third.
I'm glad you brought that up

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because the performance of The
Afghani doctor was so Vincent.

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Yeah.
Good.

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He I wrote in my notes, Vincent,
the real MVP truly these feel

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like he's my favorite person in
the whole movie.

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Gwyneth Paltrow is great.
Yeah, I loved her as Pepper

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Potts.
But Vinson was the best

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performance of the Moon.
I think so, too.

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And the only part of the movie
where I actually felt emotion is

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When Vincent is dying and he
tells Tony basically, you know,

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don't waste your life on this.
You know, I'm going to see my

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wife and man that got me a yeah
that that 100% got me and that

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moment portrayed by Vincent made
Tony's change of heart.

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Real.
Yeah if he hadn't performed as

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well and his role as an actor I
don't think we would have bought

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the change of heart when Tony
comes back and says look like we

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are not selling weapons anymore
until at the very least until we

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figure out how to stop
double-dealing.

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Yeah.
And you wouldn't have bought

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that unless you had that moment
with Vincent, when Vincent dies

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in the cave and the rest of the
terror group is outside the

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cave, waiting for Tony to
emerge.

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It's my favorite like beat of
the whole performance of Robert

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Downey jr.
Because you see him like watch

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Benson die and then you just see
how pissed off he gets and

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you're like, oh, you know,
something's coming.

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Now flamethrowers are coming now
and I'm glad you brought that up

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because I was kind of shocked at
the level of violence in this

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movie.
Yeah, because I think like quote

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unquote.
Marvel violence has become a

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thing.
Yeah, we're people.

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But there's no blood and they
can just kind of get punched in

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and die but like, Stormtroopers,
you know, I mean, yeah, he's

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literally burning guys to death,
it's a movie, it's really

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violent.
I think that the bloodless

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00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:53,500
violence that Marvel has brought
about, you can talk a lot of

453
00:21:53,508 --> 00:21:56,400
different ways about it.
But in this movie, you

454
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,600
definitely are seeing early era
Marvel where they're still

455
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,900
figuring out how they want to do
violence and their movies.

456
00:22:02,900 --> 00:22:05,000
I respect this violence more
though.

457
00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:07,300
Yes.
Because, you know and I'm not

458
00:22:07,300 --> 00:22:09,500
going to be like the This guy
that's like, don't take your

459
00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:12,300
kids to see this.
But just because it says PG-13,

460
00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:14,500
like this is clearly a movie for
grown-ups.

461
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:15,800
Yeah.
But this is not a movie that you

462
00:22:15,808 --> 00:22:18,000
should be taking a five-year-old
to see, you know what I mean?

463
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,800
And I feel like the same thing
with infinity War, I was

464
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,400
actually in the theater and they
were like, four year, olds

465
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,200
behind me, and they were
freaking traumatized by it.

466
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,500
You should not be taking a
four-year-old to see Infinity

467
00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:31,900
war, and I think that like the
bloodless violence of Marvel is

468
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,600
influencing parents to think
that it's okay, right?

469
00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:35,800
You know what I mean?
Oh, for sure.

470
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,100
And I think that one of the
problems with Violence is that

471
00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:42,800
it desensitizes you to realize,
exactly.

472
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,900
It's because you have the sense
of like, oh well, you know,

473
00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:47,700
there's no blood and gore so
it's okay.

474
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,700
Yeah.
And I think it does kind of

475
00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:51,700
teach this lesson of like,
well-balanced is okay, is

476
00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:54,600
nobody's, you know, bloodied up
well and especially with that

477
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,500
early suit that he makes that
thing is just that is a weapon

478
00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:01,400
of mass destruction that and yet
it's the shoddiest construction

479
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,300
of it.
Like if you look at the suit

480
00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:06,400
that he makes, there's just like
a gaping hole around the neck.

481
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,900
Yeah, where it's like, why
didn't they just I shoot it as

482
00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:10,400
neck.
I just kind of wanted that to

483
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,000
even like the eye holes are
pretty big.

484
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,800
Yeah, I'm like, so what I
becomes up behind him and tries

485
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,900
to shoot him in the head and it
bounces off and ricochets go

486
00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:19,800
down to the net, right?
Shoot him in the spine.

487
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,500
Come on, Tony what you think
you're doing, man?

488
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,000
Well Brad.
I think that we have rambled

489
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,600
enough about Iron, Man.
We should probably try some of

490
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,500
this Tennessee, whiskey.
Hmm, let's bust out this George

491
00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:32,400
Dickel, number 12, and see what
we think it sounds great.

492
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:39,100
All right.
Alright, welcome back.

493
00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:43,900
We are going to be trying some
George Dickel number 12 today, I

494
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:46,900
don't really understand what the
number 12 designation means.

495
00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:50,300
I feel like a lot of not even
just Whiskey's but like alcohols

496
00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:51,900
in general.
We have a number.

497
00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:55,600
You know like what was there
like 11 failed attempts before

498
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,400
this sure.
I don't know.

499
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,300
Yeah it might it might be just
their 12th, you know iteration

500
00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:01,800
or whatever.
I thought it, maybe it was a 12

501
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,100
year.
Yeah but it's not.

502
00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:04,500
It's just it's called George
Dickel.

503
00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:07,400
Superior number 12, as I say
it's only $20.

504
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:12,200
So This is a Tennessee, whiskey.
And is my first Tennessee,

505
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,500
whiskey, yeah.
Now, Tennessee whiskey seems to

506
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:18,500
be for the most part following
the same rules as you would get

507
00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:20,100
for bourbon.
They just don't like to be

508
00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:22,200
called bourbon because they're
made in Tennessee.

509
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,900
It's kind of a marketing Ploy,
right?

510
00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:27,200
But one thing that I found that
distinguishes Tennessee, whiskey

511
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,200
from bourbon is, before they put
it in the barrel, they go

512
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,400
through a process where they
filter, everything through

513
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,400
charcoal and then it goes into
the barrel and that's the big

514
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,100
distinction between Tennessee
and Kentucky.

515
00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:41,900
So when it says Tennessee, sour,
mash whiskey, is that what

516
00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:43,900
they're talking about?
How sour mash is the same thing

517
00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:46,200
you would get with with bourbon
is just the way that they

518
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,100
ferment it, okay?
But even like they're mashed

519
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:50,900
bill, they have their match but
listed on their website, it's

520
00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:54,700
84% corn a try at eight barley.
So I mean your talks like

521
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:56,800
bourbon exactly.
Yeah, exactly.

522
00:24:57,300 --> 00:25:00,000
So why don't we go ahead and get
into the nose on this?

523
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,500
Brad.
What are you getting on the nose

524
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,200
of this?
George Dickel 12.

525
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,900
You know, I feel like there's
it's one of those things where

526
00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:11,000
when you say something then you
start to smell and taste it but

527
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,700
that charcoal that you were
talking about and I feel like

528
00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:16,100
that's noticeable on the nose.
I'm not see, I'm not getting

529
00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:18,500
anything on that.
At this does not have a very

530
00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:21,900
complex nose to me tastes like,
it smells like alcohol like just

531
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:24,600
ethanol and I get when I'm
really breathing in it smells a

532
00:25:24,608 --> 00:25:28,600
little bit like acetone, fun
fact, Bob this is out his

533
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,900
alcohol.
My nose has not failed me yet.

534
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:33,600
I mean, are you Brad?
Are you picking up any?

535
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,600
Floral or fruity notes at all?
No yeah I might even getting

536
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,700
much of a vanilla or caramel off
of this.

537
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,200
I'll be honest with you, it does
kind of have a smoky small so I

538
00:25:43,208 --> 00:25:46,000
kind of said that already when
charcoal, it reminds me a little

539
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,200
bit of the monkey shoulder on
the nose.

540
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,900
The the scotch that was Scotch.
It does have a little bit of

541
00:25:50,908 --> 00:25:53,000
smoke to it and I don't know if
that's coming from the charcoal

542
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,000
filtering or just from the Char
on the barrel.

543
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:57,400
Well why don't, you know that
Bob, right?

544
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,500
Get better.
I would probably give this a 4

545
00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:03,400
on the nose.
Yeah, it's not offensive.

546
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:05,600
It's not bringing out anything
specific.

547
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,400
I'd probably give it a five.
Alright, let's go ahead and try

548
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,900
a sip of it too.
Wow.

549
00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:14,500
That tastes like nothing and
then it burns.

550
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,700
That's about it.
Yeah that's just the opening

551
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:24,700
taste is an absence of I don't
taste any sweetness 84% corn

552
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,600
where's the corn man?
Yeah I was actually just

553
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,100
thinking that that when you have
that higher Mash bill of corn,

554
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:31,900
you would expect there to be
some sweetness to it.

555
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:35,200
Yeah.
And for the, the 8% Rye, I mean

556
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,100
it really has some spice on the
back end.

557
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,700
I don't even know if I'd say
spice though.

558
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:42,400
Because I think it's easy to
confuse spice.

559
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:43,700
And I will all burn.
Yeah.

560
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:47,400
The burn of alcohol, which we've
talked about this before, but

561
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,500
the proof of the alcohol does
not necessarily indicate the

562
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:51,500
burn.
Yeah.

563
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:53,400
This is a 90 Proof.
This is like a standard Bird,

564
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,300
right?
And the the very first one that

565
00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:57,300
we did, the Jamesy pepper was
100 proof.

566
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,700
And I would say burn less than
this for sure.

567
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600
Yeah, I would probably give this
a 3 on The Taste because there

568
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,400
just isn't much of one at all.
I would agree with you three.

569
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,100
Yeah, I think I'm gonna have to
go with the 33 finish.

570
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,400
We've talked about it a little
bit.

571
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,400
Ready.
But it just you have a really

572
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,600
harsh alcohol burn.
On the back of my tongue.

573
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:20,700
The lingering aftertaste is not
super bitter, but there's just

574
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:22,900
not much there.
Yeah, not complex.

575
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:24,700
I probably also give the finish
at 3.

576
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,700
I was going to give it a to cool
because it's just that where the

577
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:32,100
door nickel is not.
Yeah my George the burn is a lot

578
00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:35,100
more than I expected.
Now on their website they say

579
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:38,300
that this is a blend of older
whiskies.

580
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,500
They don't give an age on it.
Tell me Bob.

581
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:41,400
What does that mean?
Tap.

582
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,200
Exactly It doesn't taste like an
old like a.

583
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:48,700
It's been aged and we know that
if they doesn't have an age

584
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,800
printed on it it needs to be at
least 4 years old.

585
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,500
Right?
Right.

586
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,500
I don't see an age on this snow
and I have a hard time believing

587
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:56,800
that this has been aged for four
years.

588
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,100
Yeah, I do see something that
says it is the finest quality

589
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:03,200
sipping weight.
Without the Jeep sipping?

590
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,900
Yeah.
Just sipping without a Jeep with

591
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:08,200
' and then in between fine
quality sipping.

592
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:10,700
It says eight.
Nothing better ain't nothing

593
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:12,400
better.
I can think of a lot of things.

594
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:16,400
Better than this unfortunately.
I like drinking good whiskey, I

595
00:28:16,408 --> 00:28:18,000
did to what's the balance on
this?

596
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,700
I don't, I mean it's be quite
honest, it was fairly balanced

597
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:24,000
because it was just nothing the
whole way through 10 of them to

598
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:27,000
burn.
If I'm being honest, I probably

599
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,900
give it a 6 on the balance
because it just, it's

600
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:30,800
consistent.
Yeah, I was going to say it is

601
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,400
consistently poor.
So five six.

602
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,000
So I come out to a 16 out of 40.
Brad, what are you coming out to

603
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,300
15 15.
So we are at a 15 and a half on

604
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:45,500
George Dickel, 12.
I don't know if this was the

605
00:28:45,508 --> 00:28:47,500
best introduction to Tennessee.
Whiskey.

606
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:49,600
Yeah.
So, I'm struggling because I

607
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,400
feel like $20 is a decent price
point for in your head, thinking

608
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,400
to yourself.
I want to buy something that's

609
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,200
decent, but I don't want to
spend a lot of money.

610
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:00,900
Yeah, so I'm looking to spend 20
to 25 dollars.

611
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:05,300
I would buy Benchmark before I
buy this as our scores indicate

612
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:05,900
to.
Yeah.

613
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,100
Yeah, it's Mark.
I tried some Benchmark.

614
00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:11,800
The other night over an ice cube
and adding a little bit of water

615
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,400
to it.
The opened it up.

616
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:15,700
I don't know that it would do
the same for the Dickel.

617
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:20,400
Yeah, I'm really struggling.
The big thing for me is I can

618
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,500
handle a nose and a finish that
struggles if you have good

619
00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:26,400
taste.
Yeah.

620
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:30,600
But if you don't have good taste
on the palate while while you

621
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,700
are drinking it, it's hard to
save.

622
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:34,800
I will say I just added a couple
drops of water to this.

623
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:37,900
It opens it up significantly.
There's a little bit more

624
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:41,400
sweetness to it but again, I
would not I would not recommend

625
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,900
this.
It is better with water, but if

626
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:46,900
you have to tell someone to
water down there, whiskey to

627
00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:49,800
make it better, you're not in a
good place to start out with.

628
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,600
Yeah, I just tried the water
trick.

629
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:55,500
Not not working for you.
I think it the flavors are more

630
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:56,400
there.
Yeah.

631
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,300
You notice a little bit more of
the flavor.

632
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,600
So, overall, Brad would you
recommend?

633
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,000
No, I would not recommend either
guys.

634
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,200
Again, we're going to throw you
back to Benchmark and to our

635
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,200
boy, very old.
Very old bar.

636
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,600
He is holding up.
Well, yeah, he really is and

637
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,500
it's impressive.
To be able to make a whiskey

638
00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:17,400
that is under the twenty five
dollar price point.

639
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,900
That's something you could drink
any day and so Benchmark, Very

640
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:23,100
Old Barton, if you're looking
for something cheaper stick to

641
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:25,900
those Georgia.
Dickel does not quite make the

642
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:29,300
cut of finest quality sipping?
No, Brad.

643
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:32,000
I don't think that our boy Tony
Stark would be investing in any

644
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,400
of this.
I highly doubt that his business

645
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,600
Acumen would lead him to
investing in Georgia a dick.

646
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,500
Oh well why don't we get back to
talking a little bit about the

647
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:50,800
movie Iron Man, let's do it.
So that was George Dickel, 12.

648
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:53,400
Not super impressed with that.
Brad.

649
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:59,400
How do you feel about it?
I feel very poorly, but we don't

650
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,800
feel poorly about Iron Man.
Not at all.

651
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,900
I looking back at this movie,
can we talk for a second about

652
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:09,100
like how it has aged sure since
you know it came out in 2008.

653
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:11,400
Yep.
The summer of 2008, we're coming

654
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,900
up on the summer 2019 so it's
about 11 years old, I think the

655
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:18,500
movie has aged so well I think
that some aspects of age Well,

656
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:21,400
and I think that Marvel, you
know, you have to remember, this

657
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,500
was the first one in the Marvel.
Cinematic Universe are still

658
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:26,300
exploring.
What it means to be a part of

659
00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:29,500
the Marvel Cinematic Universe
and they're exploring how to

660
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:33,200
develop characters like, I think
that Tony Stark Robert Downey

661
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,200
jr.
Is great in this movie, everyone

662
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,700
knows it, but I also think that
he's really lucky that he got to

663
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:40,900
develop a character over.
He's been in like 10 of the

664
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:44,300
movies now, right?
And, you know, the comparison of

665
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:47,300
my mind was like, when we first
saw, Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow

666
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:52,000
and that Character was so weird.
And so fully fleshed out, Johnny

667
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,200
Depp actually got nominated for
an Oscar for the first Pirates

668
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,000
of the Caribbean movie.
I did, you know that?

669
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,000
Yeah, that's how good it was,
and I feel like with Iron Man,

670
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,400
like we knew Robert Downey jr.
Was Iron Man, but he doesn't

671
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,800
really have a ton to work with
after he gets out of the cave.

672
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:11,000
Yeah, it really just turns into
kind of a paint-by-numbers like

673
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,900
action superhero movie at that
point.

674
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:15,300
Yeah and I thought the his
performance in the first half of

675
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:18,700
the film is great but then he
kind of gets Caught up in, like

676
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:21,900
the mechanics of what we need to
do to finish the movie, right?

677
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:25,100
I'm a superhero now, I'm testing
the equipment and be that funny.

678
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:28,000
Exactly, yeah, yeah.
So I look at the script of this

679
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,800
movie and like I just think that
there's quite a bit of stuff

680
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,400
that they could have done to
improve it, you know, developing

681
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,400
Robert Downey jr.
His character developing the

682
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,300
female characters in the movie
because there aren't many.

683
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,100
I really there's two yeah it was
the reporter at the start of the

684
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:46,200
movie.
Yep who was also Ricky Bobby's

685
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,400
wife, she was Ricky Bobby.
His wife.

686
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,900
Yes in Talladega Nights.
Talladega Nights interesting,

687
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:52,700
Bobby.
So she's in the beginning and

688
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:54,800
she kind of comes back towards
the end, right?

689
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:58,600
And then there's pepper, right?
And I think again, we've already

690
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,500
talked about.
We think one of Paltrow's great.

691
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,800
I really liked your performance
here, but the way that this

692
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,400
movie really kind of objectifies
the female reporter, she like

693
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,800
she comes across as I'm tough.
And I'm independent.

694
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,500
And the next scene.
Tony says, like one disarming

695
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:15,500
thing to her sleeping with Tony.
Yeah.

696
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,900
And you will not see that In an
MCU movie now, right?

697
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:21,900
You know, since they've
introduced people like Captain

698
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:25,400
Marvel and black widow.
You don't I really appreciate

699
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,100
that.
These women have roles that

700
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,800
aren't making them just
subservient to the men and and

701
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,300
they're actually now, they're
developing the as superheroes,

702
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,000
but I also think that those
roles that the interesting thing

703
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:43,700
is that Pepper Potts position
her role in the movie is

704
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:45,800
subservient to.
Tony, she's his personal

705
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,600
assistant.
That runs his life, basically.

706
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,000
Yeah.
Yeah, but I don't think that

707
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,800
they put her in a role where
she's truly subservient, you see

708
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,000
her throughout the movie, and
positions, of power and

709
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:03,100
influence, and, and control over
Tony, where I truly think she

710
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:07,200
has a good role in the movie
that is, unfortunately,

711
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,800
portrayed against the role of
the reporter.

712
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:11,900
That's true.
You know, I think it's just kind

713
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:15,100
of hard when you only have two
female characters in the movie

714
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:17,500
and you've already made them
like diametrically opposed to

715
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:19,400
each other.
There's our apis, everyone else

716
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,900
in the movies, man.
And you don't really read into

717
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:25,100
their gender, because it's just,
you know, they're so different

718
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:26,199
as characters.
They all have different

719
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,600
character arcs and so you're
relying on the reporter and

720
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,000
Gwyneth Paltrow to carry the
idea of like what it means to be

721
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,300
a woman in this movie.
Yeah, well, I think I also

722
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:39,000
struggle because Pepper Potts is
a fleshed-out character, right?

723
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,600
And the reporter is a
caricature.

724
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,199
She has.
She's so one-dimensional.

725
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,300
Yeah.
And and it's not that I'm

726
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:49,900
necessarily asking a character
who Has three to four minutes

727
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:53,100
total screen time to have, you
know, a giant character Arc,

728
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:54,800
right?
But it's disappointing.

729
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:55,800
Sure.
Yeah.

730
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,100
So that brings us back to the
question of the writing and the

731
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:02,900
direction.
So we talked about how, we don't

732
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:06,200
really think this has the best
Marvel, you know, script and it

733
00:35:06,207 --> 00:35:09,000
could have used some work.
See, I will say this though.

734
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,800
This is still my favorite Marvel
Cinematic Universe movie.

735
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:14,600
This is your favorite one.
Yes, interesting.

736
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,000
I love this movie.
Even with its, you know, it's

737
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,700
not perfect.
Yeah.

738
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:19,100
Even Let's watch.
You think this is the best one

739
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:20,800
you've seen?
I think they went downhill from

740
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,700
here.
Well, you also haven't seen 10

741
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:25,400
of them but I've also seen ten
of them.

742
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,000
That's true.
Good point, my friend.

743
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,600
So let's talk a little bit about
Jon, Favreau as a director.

744
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:33,400
I think he does a pretty good
job.

745
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,000
It's not just a sort of
serviceable, I put the camera

746
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,700
here, the actors do their thing.
There's some moments where you

747
00:35:39,707 --> 00:35:43,300
really get a sense of what Fabro
does as a director, he knows

748
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:46,900
when to lighten the mood, you
know, when Tony's testing out

749
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:49,900
his Mark to Mark 3 suit, right?
And you've got that sort of

750
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:54,000
like, really dumb robot that
Tony keeps yelling at bringing

751
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,400
in that little bit of levity is
really helpful, but also the way

752
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,900
that they constructed the whole
front end of the movie In The

753
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:04,400
Afghani cave, I thought was,
it's the kind of thing you

754
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,000
don't, you don't see for a while
after this, in Marvel movies.

755
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:11,600
And the thing about that is that
at the start of the movie, you

756
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:16,600
kind of got this picture of Tony
as just like a complete jerk.

757
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:21,900
Yeah, he's just this Asinine
dude who only cares about

758
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:24,600
himself.
And so, the comedy that he

759
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,500
portrays, then feels very
shallow and it just comes across

760
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:32,800
as sleazy, right.
Whereas his comedic Parts later

761
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,800
in the film once he's kind of
had the pivotal change of heart

762
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,600
moment, feel more genuine and
they genuinely come across this

763
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,800
funnier.
Yeah, for sure.

764
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:44,400
And again that's not to say that
everything about this script is

765
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,100
bad.
Like I think that they give

766
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,400
Robert Downey jr.
Some really funny like even at

767
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,400
the beginning Beginning when the
reporters talking to him, I

768
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,300
think she asked him a question.
Like, you know, what do you

769
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:56,100
think about your nickname, The
Merchant of death, right.

770
00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:58,200
And he goes, oh, that's not bad.
That's not bad.

771
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,800
Yeah, it's funny.
Like it has moments of levity

772
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,200
and wit to it that really helped
to develop the character and

773
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,800
that's one of those examples
where I think sometimes we talk

774
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,300
about script and writing and and
the way things are filmed but in

775
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:19,400
the end if you don't have the
right actor, sure Phil Roll.

776
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,100
It doesn't matter how great of a
script you write how brilliant

777
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:27,000
you are at editing or sound
production.

778
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,900
If you don't have the right
person who has the right size

779
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:33,100
and the right control of their
face and their, their reaction

780
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:36,000
to things, it doesn't matter.
And I think Robert Downey jr.

781
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,500
Deserves a lot of credit for
creating the Iron Man character

782
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,600
and honestly for bringing the
Marvel Cinematic Universe into

783
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,900
success.
Yeah, for sure.

784
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:49,900
He makes a Persona in this movie
There's a really early scene

785
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:53,100
where he's testing out his
weapon called the Jericho,

786
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:54,600
right?
And it's one of my favorite

787
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,500
shots the movie with everything
exploding behind him.

788
00:37:56,700 --> 00:38:00,400
And he just lifts his arms up as
like this show men that he is.

789
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:03,300
Yeah, and I think it's
phenomenal, because it adds so

790
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:07,400
much to the character, and his
sense of Showmanship that you

791
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,700
wouldn't get that with another
actor.

792
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:12,600
He knows exactly where to make
Tony's character traits.

793
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:18,900
Come out.
You've been called The DaVinci

794
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:20,700
of our time.
What do you say to that?

795
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,800
Absolutely.
Ridiculous.

796
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,500
I don't paint.
And what do you say to your

797
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:25,500
other nickname, The Merchant of
death.

798
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:30,500
That's not bad.
Let me guess Berkeley Brown

799
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:34,500
actually.
Well, Ms. Brown, it's an

800
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:36,400
imperfect world but it's the
only one we've got.

801
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,700
I guarantee you the day weapons
are no longer needed to keep the

802
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,000
peace.
I'll start making bricks, and

803
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,100
beans for baby hospitals.
There's that much every night in

804
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:45,100
front of the mirror before
bedtime, I can see that.

805
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:48,600
I'd like to show you firsthand.
All I want is a serious answer?

806
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,300
Okay, here's serious.
My old man had a philosophy.

807
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:53,800
Peace means having a bigger
stick than the other guy.

808
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:56,200
It's a great line coming from
the guy selling the sticks.

809
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:59,400
My father helped defeat the
Nazis, he worked on the A lot

810
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,500
of.
So Brad, do you have any other

811
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:02,900
favorite scenes?
Carbon elements of the movie

812
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:05,100
that stick out to you, as worth
mentioning?

813
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,700
You know, I know we mentioned
that Vinson, we loved him but

814
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:14,000
like man, I don't think we could
spend enough time talking about

815
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,100
how great that opening scene was
now and not only his time in

816
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:22,900
Afghanistan.
But even the very opening scene

817
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:28,100
of the movie, you get that sense
of Tony's dry humor when he's

818
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:31,600
with the soldiers and the A
colon and you see him telling

819
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,500
Roadie like like we're gonna be
in the fun V you go on the

820
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:39,200
humdrum the yeah and it leads so
well into his time in the cave.

821
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,800
I don't know why.
But saying the cave just

822
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,100
reminded me of like Plato's.
Yeah.

823
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:43,800
Yeah.
Right.

824
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,000
Right.
And like in a sense, you see

825
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,500
Tony as his weapons, are
projected in front of him, as

826
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:54,200
like, these are bringing death
and destruction in the world.

827
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,300
And I don't think he ever
understood that before.

828
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:58,600
Hmm.
And so I look at his time in the

829
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,900
cave And I just that period of
the movie could be one of the

830
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:05,800
better movies I've ever seen in
my life.

831
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:07,900
Yeah, it's just, it's a really
interesting.

832
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:09,900
I don't wanna call it a
political thriller but it is

833
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:13,400
like a wartime Thriller, right?
And what bothers me about the

834
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,100
end of the movie?
The final fight scene with

835
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:19,300
Obadiah?
Jeff Bridges is that when you

836
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:23,700
watch Tony fighting his way out
of the Cave, the choreography of

837
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:26,500
the shots and the space that
you're in, you know exactly

838
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:27,900
where he's at.
You know, exactly.

839
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:30,900
When he has to make a turn What
it takes to get out of the cave

840
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,300
when he gets out of the cave,
you see all the weapons kind of

841
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:37,200
laid out that Tony blows up to
make his escape and you as a

842
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,700
viewer, understand the space.
You're in the final fight.

843
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:43,400
They're all over an unnamed city
right there.

844
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,600
Just blowing stuff up there.
Lifting up cars throwing them at

845
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,800
each other.
They finally go back to the

846
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,500
Stark Industries compound, The
Arc Reactor blows up.

847
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:53,900
You don't really understand
where they are, what they're

848
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:58,400
doing, where anything is, it's
just a sequence of cool things

849
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,000
to look at.
That but to me that last 15, 20

850
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,400
minutes of the movie, it doesn't
add up to anything.

851
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,300
It's just like fun stuff blowing
up and I think that's one of my

852
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:12,500
biggest struggles with the MCU
is that I feel like more of the

853
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:17,400
movies, adhere to that part of
Iron Man, then the first part of

854
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,300
Iron Man.
Yeah and that's and that's

855
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:22,000
honestly my biggest struggle
with the Cinematic Universe.

856
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,500
That Marvel has created, is that
it doesn't feel like any of it

857
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:29,500
really matters.
Which is, which sounds bad

858
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:31,800
because in the end we're talking
about the destruction of the

859
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,900
universe by Thanos.
So, sure, I haven't seen

860
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,900
Infinity War so you gotta watch
Infinity Ward.

861
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:40,400
I know I need to watch it but
you know, all of these movies

862
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,200
are like these Grand schemes.
That I can't even understand.

863
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,000
It's kind of like when they talk
about the national debt being 20

864
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,200
trillion, 30 trillion dollar
came to comprehend.

865
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,600
Like, I can't even comprehend
that I can comprehend. 1 million

866
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,300
dollars, right?
I can think about my, oh, yeah,

867
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:59,000
if I made this much and I feel
like the first Part of Iron Man

868
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,000
is something that I can
emotionally connect with.

869
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,400
Yeah.
And the second half of Iron Man,

870
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,300
which I feel like more of the
Marvel Universe has been modeled

871
00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:09,400
after.
I just can't emotionally connect

872
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,400
with.
I can't understand the magnitude

873
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,400
of what's going on, it just
feels fake and so this gets into

874
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,100
like script deficiencies but it
also gets into Tony kind of

875
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:24,100
lacks a purpose in the second
half of the movie because he

876
00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:26,400
comes back from Afghanistan, he
has that press conference where

877
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,600
he's Really transformed as a
person and he says, Stark

878
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,000
Industries needs to be
developing alternative energies

879
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,200
that aren't just weapons.
You know, I'm committed to using

880
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,800
this Arc Reactor technology to
do great things.

881
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,300
And then all of a sudden, he
finds out that gold Mira.

882
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:45,400
The little town that Vinson was
from, has been attacked by this

883
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,300
Terror cell.
He goes back and just kills a

884
00:42:47,308 --> 00:42:51,400
bunch of terrorists and becomes
a weapon himself.

885
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,200
And I feel like the movie starts
sending kind of mixed signals

886
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,800
about what they think of
weapons.

887
00:42:57,100 --> 00:43:00,400
Badgers what they think of, you
know, being a merchant of death

888
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,700
because Tony kind of falls into
that.

889
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:06,300
A good guy with a gun is always
a good thing because Tony

890
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:08,300
becomes the good guy with a gun,
you know?

891
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:10,700
And those people in Afghanistan
wouldn't have been saved without

892
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:13,600
Iron Man.
So it seems like it wants it

893
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,800
both ways, it wants Tony to be
like this changed person but

894
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,000
then he just ends up becoming a
weapon himself and it kind of

895
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,200
falls apart in the end for me
because he's no longer sticking

896
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,800
to what he learned or he's not
representing what he said.

897
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,500
He He was exactly.
Yeah, so Brad we you know, we've

898
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:33,700
talked about how this movie was
a Trailblazer for the MCU.

899
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:36,800
We've also talked about how it
has some flaws to it.

900
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:39,700
We're not quite sure what it's
trying to say about Tony Stark's

901
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:41,800
place in the world.
He doesn't he doesn't wrestle

902
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,300
with these emotions enough for
us.

903
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,200
So as we come to wind down,
what's your analysis, what's

904
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,600
your evaluation of this movie?
What kind of score would you

905
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,200
give it in the grand scheme of
things?

906
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,100
The reason I love this movie is
because it's not just a

907
00:43:56,107 --> 00:44:00,000
superhero.
Be it's a movie about a flawed

908
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,300
human being.
Yeah, it's a movie about Tony

909
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:06,400
Stark who moves from a place of
affluence and wealth to

910
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,400
realizing that that means
nothing that for Vinson.

911
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,900
The only thing that matters is
getting back to his wife and

912
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:15,700
kids.
Yeah, and Tony doesn't have

913
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,400
anybody who cares about him to
go back to and so for me there

914
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,300
was a hope that he would go back
and be with Pepper Potts and and

915
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:26,600
create a life of his own
bringing good into the world and

916
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,200
you don't get Get that.
Yeah and so I and I think that

917
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,700
this movie is phenomenal and
what it does, I think so many

918
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:36,400
parts of this movie Works super
well, but watching it, eleven

919
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,900
years later knowing what I know
about the Marvel Cinematic

920
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:43,300
Universe.
It almost makes me sad that I

921
00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:46,500
feel like they were hitting on
something in the first half of

922
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:50,300
this movie, that could have been
phenomenal.

923
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:53,300
Yeah.
But they chose to focus the rest

924
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:56,100
of their Cinematic Universe on
the second half of the movie.

925
00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:59,300
Which Would they didn't make the
wrong decision in a monetary

926
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:02,800
standpoint, right?
They've made billion, yes of

927
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,100
dollars off of this.
But for me as somebody who cares

928
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:10,100
about story and character
development, I struggle with the

929
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:13,100
direction that they went.
If we're looking at just Ironman

930
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:15,900
alone, throw out the rest of the
semantic Universe.

931
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,800
I still love this movie.
Yeah, I still really enjoy it.

932
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,100
Watching it this time, 67 time.
I thought that there was a lot

933
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:25,300
of parts of it that still hold
up.

934
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:27,700
Extremely well 11.
Years later.

935
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:30,100
Yep.
Are we getting into final

936
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:32,100
scores?
I think we should, but I also

937
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:36,100
think that this, the, the
problem for me is that I want to

938
00:45:36,107 --> 00:45:38,600
score it as a superhero movie,
right?

939
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,500
Like, and in terms of, I've seen
some bad superhero movies?

940
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:44,500
Yes, like, this is, at least an
8 or a 9 on the scale of

941
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:47,400
superhero movies, but when
you're just comparing it as a

942
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,700
movie, right?
I really do think that it has

943
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:53,600
some glaring plot flaws and like
you said, the first half of this

944
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,900
movie shares, so much DNA with
the Dark Knight.

945
00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:59,300
Yeah, it's so grounded and
rooted in reality.

946
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:01,600
And the second half is like I
can fly.

947
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,000
I can go to Afghanistan in a few
hours, flying my cool suit

948
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,900
blowing stuff up and fighting
Jeff Bridges that the movie

949
00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:11,700
really does fall off for me.
So like, I think if we're

950
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:15,400
scoring it against movies in
general, I'd give it a seven.

951
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:19,400
I still think it's a good movie,
but I have to keep in mind that

952
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,000
I'm not just scoring it against
superhero movies.

953
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,800
I'm scoring it against, you
know, the Godfather and the tree

954
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,200
of life and all these Other ones
that we watched, I just want to

955
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,700
make so many jokes about tree of
life, and the funny thing is, I

956
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:33,400
love that movie.
But I hated that movie,

957
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,700
absolutely.
I would give it a seven and a

958
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:38,800
half.
Yeah, like it was a, it's still

959
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,300
a solid movie.
I think the struggle with the

960
00:46:41,300 --> 00:46:43,500
movie is that it's unevenly
waited.

961
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:46,400
The first half of the movie.
I would give about a nine and a

962
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,400
half.
Oh for sure.

963
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,700
And the second half about a five
to six.

964
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:54,900
Yeah and so I end up in the
second half and 88 range but yes

965
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:56,800
I would probably finish it out
with a 7.

966
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,300
Half.
Highly recommend it if somehow

967
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:02,500
you haven't seen it.
Yeah, go watch.

968
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,500
It's a fun movie to watch, you
know, you're not going to get a

969
00:47:05,508 --> 00:47:09,300
ton of like social commentary or
whatever, but it's fun.

970
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:13,000
It's a good movie to watch, it
brings up some issues, but it

971
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,800
kicks off this Renaissance of
superhero movies that we have

972
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,200
now, and they wouldn't have
happened without Robert Downey

973
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,100
jr.
And this movie whatsoever?

974
00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:23,700
Yeah, great movie.
Great fun.

975
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,300
Go watch it.
If you somehow haven't seen it,

976
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,900
That would be ridiculous.
And before you go watch it we're

977
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:32,000
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978
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,800
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979
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,400
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980
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981
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,800
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982
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,000
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983
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,300
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984
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:51,800
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985
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,700
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