Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 / Rowan's Creek

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In 2011 director, David Yates in
the child acting Dream Team,

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gave the world, a climactic
finale to literature's greatest

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young adult Series in 2022.
We returned to Kentucky, to try

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a whiskey with a distinct Funk.
The film is Harry Potter and the

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Deathly Hallows part 2.
The whiskey is Rowan's Creek and

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we'll review them both.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and

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this week we are looking at.
Did you say Eleven Bob.

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Wow, I was thinking that we were
going to hit the ten year

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anniversary but we missed it.
It's where you going to be

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eleven year anniversary of the
eighth Harry Potter, film, The

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Deathly Hallows Part 2
henceforth, which will be known

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as Harry Potter 8.
I can't say all that Brad.

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It's just it's too much.
It's an assassination of the

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Jesse James by the coward.
Robert Ford cynic Voldemort by

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the coward Neville Longbottom.
Do you want to know a fun fact

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that I've learned in researching
for this movie?

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Oh, please Voldemort in French
means, flight from Death more.

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Literally cheat of death or
steel of death.

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Wow, mmm.
Good.

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So, like if we, if we knew any
french at all, it would just hit

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us off to everything that's
going.

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It's kind of like, if, you know,
German like Darth Vader is a

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very easy thing to figure out
exactly.

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Wow.
Brad, you know, where I want to

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start today.
On Harry Potter.

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Eat because this is it man.
We've gone through the entire

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series.
We started this season with

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Harry Potter 7.
We bookended it with Harry

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Potter 8.
Is this the first time that they

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did?
The thing where they were

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adapting a series of books and
they split it into two because I

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think this is the first time
they did that it has to because

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I remember when they did that,
it was like, not an uproar, but

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everybody was like, whoa, why
did they censor?

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Third splitting it into two.
You you could fit into one and

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They just called a kerfuffle.
Yes, there is a kerfuffle

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exactly.
Yeah.

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Yes, I believe you are correct.
This is the first time they took

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a book series and split the last
book into two and then everyone

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thought that they could do that
in subsequent series, I mean,

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it, you know, the The Hunger
Games, movies did it?

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The Twilight movies did it?
You could argue that this

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influenced The Hobbit movies to
split into the alley, I was

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about to say The Hobbit.
So, I mean, just Serious points

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against this movie for starting.
Probably the worst friend ever.

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Yeah, I really think that you
could have made one like, three

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to three hour and 15 minute
movie out of the Deathly Hallows

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rather than to, like, I don't
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They're both probably around
like to 10 or so.

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So, like four hours and 20
minutes or like, actually, like

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concise 3 hours and 15 minutes.
Now, you've read the book.

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I've never read the book.
I stopped after book 5 which is

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something that I think.
I've said on every episode, it's

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still wild to me, man.
I wear it like a badge of honor

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at this point.
You gotta get back in there and

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read it.
Man.

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I guess those books.
I've never going to read them at

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this point.
That's like, that's like saying

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like f Scotch.
I wear it as a badge of honor.

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I've never tasted a sip of
scotch in my life.

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I mean, okay, so back to my
point, you've read the book is

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the division.
Vision of the movies.

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Like, roughly, the halfway point
of the book, I believe it is

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about my, I think that when he
added, we have to say spoiler

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alert, know if you've been
listening to this podcast for

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any length of time, you know,
that we dive deep into spoilers

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and we've already spoiled seven.
Harry Potter movies.

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So I think we might as well just
continue the trend.

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Okay, so when he buries Dobby
feels like, at the very least, I

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don't remember if it's right in
the middle of the book.

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I think it's in a good narrative
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To, to split the two movies in
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Okay, I'll give him credit there
and one thing that we really

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liked about Harry Potter 7, was
that it had a different Rhythm

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and a different vibe and feel
from the rest of the films.

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And, you know, I we kept trying
to avoid using the word Shaggy,

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but like, it definitely felt
more loose.

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It felt like the characters had
room to breathe.

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I really got a sense that you
understood the dynamic between

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these three, In a way that you
really never got a chance to

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because there's so much plot
happening in the first six

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movies.
And there's a ton of plot

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happening in this last year of
Hogwarts as well.

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But because of the way that they
let these movies kind of are

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out, I think it really benefited
number 7, but by the time you

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get to number eight, I think one
thing I really noticed on this

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watch through Brad and I guess
spoiling my own feelings towards

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this movie, is that, I would
say, the first 35, 40, 45

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minutes.
Of this movie felt just

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completely aimless.
Like there was no rhythm to it,

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it felt like I didn't have a
starting point.

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In fact, when I was watching it,
I don't even remember this

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happening in the theater.
And so it's one of those things

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where I don't know if they
inserted it later.

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But the movie starts with like,
you know, last week on Harry

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Potter and they do like a
montage of like what we saw,

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last time we were visiting with
Voldemort and then it starts the

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movie.
After that it was very weird to

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see him Stealing the Elder Wand
again and then replaying the end

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of number 7.
It didn't even feel like,

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episodic television, it just
kind of was going.

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And then I was like, oh, the
movies on and I kept doing that

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for 40 minutes because I was so
disinterested with everything

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that was happening.
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The entire Gringotts sequence
just feels awkward.

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I mean, I will give credit where
it's due.

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I think that whoever played
griphook Check the goblin

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Warwick Davis was.
Yeah, Warwick my dude from Star

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Wars Warwick freaking killed it
when that when they're like

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talking to him about the sword
and he's like asking them where

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they got it.
I just remember taking a note, I

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was like, griphook.
Here is terrifying.

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Like he is dark and brooding and
I just loved everything.

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He was doing in that scene, but
other than that, the first in

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the first like, third of this,
He's just really boring, Bob and

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bad.
It's like it's badly done.

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And you could tell where they
focused their efforts and their

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energy and their money, frankly,
because I think the first, let's

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talk about that Gringotts
sequence and we will get into

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Brad explains and all that in a
minute, but we're on a roll

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here, so I don't want to get us.
Harry Harry tries to kill

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Voldemort and stuff happens.
Boom, the yeah, that explains

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Brad explains.
They have to go down into the

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bowels of Gringotts bank and
Brad.

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I mean the green screening is
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Awful when they're riding that
like trolley cart Indiana, Jones

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style reminded me.
Of when they go visit the Goblin

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King in The Hobbit and how bad
that looked like it looked even

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worse and you know the dragon
doesn't look good.

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And then there's a part where
they're trying to Escape from

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Gringotts and they're kind of
hiding behind a wall and I don't

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know if it's like goblins or
whoever it is.

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Someone shooting Spells at them
and you could kind of tell that

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they were filming it in reshoots
because they never Back outside

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to what was happening outside
that room that they were hiding

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in.
You never got a shot with the

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three kids and whoever their
enemies were in the same shot

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and it just kind of felt like,
oh, they must have really

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botched this the first time
around and they're trying to

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piece something together in
reshoots.

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But man, I texted you at, like
the 45-minute Mark of watching

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this movie and was shocked at
how bad it was to that point, it

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really felt like we were back
Back to David Yates of the Order

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of the Phoenix.
Yeah, that like, he just didn't

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really know where he was going.
He didn't know how to handle the

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characters.
It felt like he needed to hit

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certain story beats, but there
was no real Rhythm to the film.

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I think he finds it later in the
film but you're right man.

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The first third, almost the
first half of this movie just

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feels kind of disjointed and
wonky and there's not as much

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money thrown behind the CGI.
I'm You know, there's a few

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beautiful shots when they, you
know, when they're riding the

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dragon off into the sunset and
they're there in the middle of

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all these locks and mountains
and stuff like, yeah, it's

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beautiful.
But for the most part, it's a

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rough 30, 40 minutes to endure.
Yeah, it sure is.

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And it feels like the kind of
thing where man, I wish that

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this series I just implemented
the Star Wars like open and

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crawl.
We don't even like, hey, our

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heroes went and got this thing
from a bank.

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And now let's get back to
Hogwarts because If go ahead of

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the opening crawl, had become so
pervasive that every single

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movie utilize it like Juno.
This is the opening crawl about

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getting pregnant.
Yep.

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You dropped in half way through
young teen.

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Girl, she, you know Finding
herself raging with hormones.

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All right, well, on that note,
let's pivot hard out of that

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conversation and Brad.
Let's move into Brad explains.

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This is the part of the podcast,
where Brad breaks down the movie

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that he Just seen often for the
first time Brad.

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This is probably the latest in
an episode we've ever intro to

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Brad explains but I thought that
it was it's pretty late man.

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It was necessary to structure
our episode the same way this

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movie is structured with the
beginning, that is Meandering

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and aimless before finally,
getting into the meat of things.

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So you have 60 seconds on the
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Can you break down the plot of
Harry Potter 8?

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Harry and his friends.
They got to get a few more

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horcruxes there's like two or
three more.

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I think the annual like debate
that anyone has when they're

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watching this movie is like how
many horcruxes are left?

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Like wait, there was a blank to
their like, you guy know but

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also you there's one more.
But yeah, so they destroy they

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find like a cup and they do it
in Gringotts and then they're

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there.
Doing good.

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And and I can't remember the
plot of this movie for the life

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of me.
It's literally they find the

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last few horcruxes, they
realized that Harry is a

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horcrux.
They go back to Hogwarts and

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they mounted defense against all
the bad Death Eaters and Harry

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dies to Voldemort after seeing
Snape cry.

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And then he comes back to life
and kills Baltimore.

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Boom, the end is that it it's
like, you know, there's a bad

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murder and then there's a good
murder and then we celebrate the

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good work.
Yeah, yeah, that's.

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That's about it.
All right, so let's jump back

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into nitpicking this movie
because there was a very

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specific point in the movie, at
which everything started

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clicking for me.
And I was ready to come on here

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and just poop all over this
movie and then it just really

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started working.
And so, We'll get to a point

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where I start praising this
movie, but we're not there yet

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because I have to talk about,
hold your horses.

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Yeah, I have to talk about how
Voldemort starts broadcasting,

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his thoughts into the ears of
everyone inside Hogwarts.

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So Voldemort leads this very
ill-advised ground assault on

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Hogwarts, which I don't
understand.

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Everyone has brooms.
Like, why are you not attacking

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real like, really attacking from
all angles here?

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Dude, I was thinking that when,
when McGonagall does the cool

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locomotive spell and all the
Statues.

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Come out there on the bridge.
They put, like a four-time like

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round it.
Yeah.

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And then the and then they're
like telling Neville and the

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other children to blow up the,
the back, the the back entrance,

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which is this big wooden bridge,
right?

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Like, you do realize that you've
spent the last, like I think

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it's in the third or the fourth
movie, I think it's in the

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fourth movie that they establish
that Death Eaters can like fly

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around like banshees.
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Okay so they can do that.
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things in like every movie, the
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and you're like talking to
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into Hogwarts.
That plays was not on lockdown

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at all.
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can't like teleport into
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restrictions and stuff.
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army standing right outside, put
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Brooms, have the Giants.
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I don't know.
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you'll figure it out.
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standing outside feeling very
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threats and he broadcasts his
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in there and he's like, it's me
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And they're like, oh my God.
And then he says like give up

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Harry Potter and I'll reward you
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have one hour and that's it.
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It sounds so desperate bike.
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underscore the fact that at this
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because he understands what
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doing.
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with Voldemort in this movie, I
feel like really takes away from

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the Mythos of Voldemort.
You know what I mean?

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Like, he stops being a very
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the 15-minute Mark of this movie
and they do their best to show.

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He's just a very sad and
desperate, man.

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it.
He is it just comes across as

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unintentionally funny for a lot
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Well, the the struggle for me is
he is supposed to be the most

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powerful wizard of all time.
Barring maybe Dumbledore but

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Dumbledore's dead.
So like I don't know I don't

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know if I agree with you that he
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anymore.
Like the one our comment I

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didn't find funny at all.
Picture didn't like talking into

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a telephone and being like, give
me Harry Potter and then going

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to put it down and then just
like putting it right back up to

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his ear saying like you have one
hour and then hanging up again

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and then just seems like such an
afterthought and then Harry

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going.
I have a very special set of

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skills, right?
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I don't know.
I didn't perceive that in that

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manner.
I think that Voldemort.

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his power to the Elder Wand and
like this this kind of comes

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back to me with.
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this movie are not necessarily
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director.
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is just really hard to turn into
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biggest struggle.
And the thing is, I like the

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seventh book.
I like, I like every single book

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of the Harry Potter series, I
think they work Really

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phenomenally as young adult
literature, but as a movie, the

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seventh book is hard to turn
into a movie and I think that it

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does kind of affect the way you
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And you spend so much time with
Ron and Hermione, trying to find

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the horcruxes and make their way
around the castle and talk to

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ghosts and and do all these
somewhat mundane type of things

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that you just kind of get lost
in the shuffle of like they're

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doing these cool things outside
with the Army and they're

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putting up this shield and
they're bombarding it and you

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know all this stuff is happening
but in the end Voldemort just

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doesn't come across as the most
powerful wizard in the world in

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this movie.
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And I think that is a problem of
David Yates is a director that

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like the final battle between
Harry and Voldemort is frankly

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just kind of boring and like not
not much really happens.

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relied on the wands, connecting

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to one another, with a spell
like 17 times and it just kind

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of gets old.
And so I just, I don't know,

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man, this movie just overall,
doesn't do it for me very well.

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So to give it a compliment, I
will say that as a guy who

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doesn't like to get really deep
into lore of things like this,

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like especially when it's an
adaptation like if I'm reading a

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book, absolutely, hit me with
the Lord.

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Sounds great in a move.
Movie.

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It needs to be well, constructed
enough that my brain isn't

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constantly questioning the
rules.

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And as long as you do that, I'm
on board, like you just have to

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buy into the premise that it's
like the you know I'll call it

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like the Jurassic Park theory in
the movie Jurassic Park.

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The science makes enough sense.
The way that it's explained that

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you're like awesome.
Let's go see some T-Rexes.

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You know what I mean?
This science makes enough sense

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that I think there's a lot of
people out there who believe

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that.
Like if you found a mosquito

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encased in Amber Amber that you
could make that, like I think

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people actually believe that.
It I mean it sounds plausible

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and it's plausible enough.
That you're just like, cool.

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I'm rolling with it, you know.
Yeah, exactly.

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And in Harry Potter, especially
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I will say that the more that I
have like gone on the Harry

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Potter Wiki's and everything
else to learn more about

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horcruxes, the more my eyes
glaze over seeing it all,

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spelled out makes it It more
boring and this movie does just

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enough to be like here's a
little piece of information.

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Here's why that horcrux isn't
working, here's the reveal that

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Harry is a horcrux and we're
going to do it in just these

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little bits that Propel The
Narrative forward and whet your

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appetite and don't leave you
completely confused.

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And I actually really
appreciated that because I think

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one knock that I've seen against
this movie is that it doesn't

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dive deep enough into the lore
or that it doesn't.

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It doesn't lay it out in a way
that A lot of sense, but I

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thought that it made enough
sense that what was happening on

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screen was still highlighted and
it wasn't just the mythology and

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the backdrop that was being
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would have made this movie drag
even more.

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No, I'm with you.
I think that there's always

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opportunities to over explain
what's going on in the books for

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any series that's based on
books.

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You just have a lot more pages
for people to read in a book.

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Then you have minutes for
someone to watch a film.

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And so I'm okay.
When they they kind of concisely

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bring the information to a point
that people need to understand

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what's going on.
Like you said, give me the

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premise and I can roll with the
implications of that premise.

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I think that with the World of
Harry Potter it can just for me

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every once in a while, get
confusing because and I think

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that the newer Harry Potter
movies, struggle from this, the

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the Fantastic Beasts and Where
to Find Them franchise at a

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certain point.
You have to just ask the

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question, when what are the
limits on Magic?

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And I think in the in the
original series, they do a

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pretty good job of like sticking
to the world that that Rowling

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created of like There are rules
to Magic.

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There's like research that goes
into making new spells and you

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know you have to really study
and learn and and do all this

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stuff and some people are more
naturally powerful but you still

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have to study and all that.
But by the time you get to this

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one at a certain point, your It
does just kind of feel like, are

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we just making magic, do
whatever we want?

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Now like are there any rules and
and Voldemort kind of epitomizes

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that?
And this it's like he just gets

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angry enough that the The Shield
barrier comes down and he's just

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flying around and doing stuff
and you just kind of cool and do

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whatever he wants.
And I don't know, I just hit a

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certain point where I'm like is
it just a little bit ridiculous?

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And I think that a series like
this is always going to like

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open itself.
To the criticisms about having

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like a day use ex machina rate.
Like that something that comes

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in in the 11th Hour that they're
like, oh, remember this magical

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pen is going to write our way to
Victory and they're like, hey,

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you know, the pain wasn't even
in the plot until 3/4 of the way

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through the movie.
And that's just, that's how

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worlds of magic are and I accept
it and I understand it.

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And so you have to give it take
her, the little bit of a grain

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of salt, but I agree with you
that this Be in particular or

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this you know, book in the
series, it introduces so many of

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those and it's like we have to
explain all of the Loose Ends of

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this prophecy.
And was this prophecy true or

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was this prophecy just
misinterpreted, and OU he

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created another horcrux on
accident and you're that

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horcrux.
And so you have to die now and

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then once you die, it's like
well guess what?

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He was misinformed about the
Elder Wand and then you go back

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and there's more about the Elder
Wand and it's like, I don't care

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anymore.
I want to see The Final Duel

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between these two.
But I don't want the, the rules

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of this duel and who's going to
win to only be based on some

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weird loophole technicality.
And I think that's the thing

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that really bothers me about it
is like, it doesn't feel like

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Voldemort and Harry are fighting
as equals.

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And I don't even mean that like,
you know, to your point like if

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Voldemort is the most powerful
wizard, like he would kick

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Harry's ass and we all
understand that.

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But even even if you just
present like a weakened

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Voldemort fighting his hardest,
Against Harry like, that's

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compelling and it's good versus
evil, but it's the fact that

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it's like, you're going to
defeat him because the Elder

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Wand isn't loyal to him.
What's the significance of that?

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Like, hmm, there's so much in
these books that that tries to

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be metaphorical, and I think at
that point, it's like, what's

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the point?
What's the, the symbol here is

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it?
That Voldemort is putting Blind

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Faith in things that he doesn't
understand.

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He's just too.
Angry and hateful to see what's

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going on in front of his face.
But honestly, like even as an

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audience member, they don't
explain what the hell is going

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on with the Elder ones,
Allegiance, until way, after the

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fact like Voldemort's dead and
everyone's happy and saying her

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a and then her mind he's like,
hey, what was going on with that

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older one?
By the way actually we've seen

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to explain it that late in the
movie than just don't freakin do

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it.
And yeah so that's your right.

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It's one of my biggest.
Pigs with the whole series, I

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couldn't care less about the
Elder Wand and they make it like

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the most important point of the
plot towards the end of this

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film.
I think that the Deathly Hallows

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in general, just feel like such
a weird addition to the series

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because they're not even
mentioned in the books before

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the seventh book like they're
like, there's just nothing about

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them.
And then all of a sudden, the

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entire seventh book is about
them trying to find them as

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they're fine.
Being the horcruxes and I just

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struggle with them becoming such
a focal part of the series, so

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late in the series, and I think
that it undermines like Harry's

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growth as a character.
Like, the final battle should

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represent Harry reaching the
Pinnacle of belief in himself,

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right?
Because what, where do we have

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Harry at the start of the whole
series?

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He's living in a Cupboard.
Beneath the stairs in his

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Abusive, aunt and uncle's house
where he is last place in

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everything and unwanted and
uncharitable.

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And so like the end of the movie
should be a place where he has,

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you know, if we're talking about
like Maslow's hierarchy of

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needs, he has self-actualized,
he knows who he is.

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He has sacrificed himself for
the greater good.

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He believes in himself and his
friends that have become family

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and because of those things, he
has become more powerful than

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the most powerful wizard who
ever lived and beats him in a

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fair and square.
Yes.

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Yes.
That like, that would represent

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the Pinnacle of good triumphing
over evil.

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Well, and that's the thing about
these, the Deathly Hallows as

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that there's such such aids to
him like and it's not that they

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do a job but it's that they're
like these all powerful things

444
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and they come at the point in
the story where he should need

445
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,300
the least amount of help.
Yeah.

446
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:21,800
You know, in book, 1.
The kid is like 11 years old and

447
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,400
they're like hey man all you get
to fight this guy who has a face

448
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,100
growing out of the back of his
head is an invisibility cloak

449
00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:32,100
like good luck which which was a
dud Deathly Hallow.

450
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:33,200
Right.
But yeah.

451
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,200
But by the time you get to the
seventh book.

452
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,000
It's like, hey, what if you had
a stone that could raise you

453
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,500
from the dead?
Like what if you were all

454
00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:42,700
powerful and had a resurrection
Stone?

455
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:45,400
And it's like, well then there's
no snakes to anything.

456
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,600
Well, but even that though, it's
not that it raised him from the

457
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,400
dead.
Is that it brought the spirits

458
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,600
back to give him support to go
die.

459
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,100
And so like it wasn't really
necessary because you already

460
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:05,000
pulled his parents dead Spirits
out once in the fourth book,

461
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,000
when you had their wands connect
the first time.

462
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,600
So why don't you just?
I don't know, do something like

463
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,200
that.
Like, I don't know, the Deathly

464
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,400
Hallows, just feel like such a
weird device MacGuffin, if you

465
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,000
will.
I like, they just feel like a

466
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,400
weird addition and once again, I
will iterate that I'm not

467
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,900
necessarily talking about the
movie.

468
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:26,100
I am talking about the source
material at this point.

469
00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:29,700
So it if y'all look just love
that part of the source material

470
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:33,400
great, like that's awesome.
I just never fully understood

471
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,600
why it's there and see I have
always said that I'm a movie guy

472
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,400
and this is a movie podcast and
if you come back to me and say

473
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,300
like will just read the book.
I shouldn't have to read the

474
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:47,700
book to understand the movie.
The movie is a thing that stands

475
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:51,100
on its own or should and So I am
coming at it from the point of

476
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:54,800
the movie because I have not
read The Source material and to

477
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,400
its credit.
I think that the internal logic

478
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,900
of the movie works, like, I
understand what's going on.

479
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,100
I just think that sometimes it's
sloppily constructed and and

480
00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:07,900
they introduced way too many of
these get-out-of-jail-free

481
00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:10,600
cards.
Brad, when we come back from

482
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,900
break we will talk more about
the filmmaking here.

483
00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:15,400
We haven't talked to
performances at all and I do

484
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,900
think that I Want To Praise some
things that David Yates does

485
00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:20,200
particularly in the second half.
For the film.

486
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:22,400
But before we get there let's
hit pause.

487
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,400
Let's try this Rowan's Creek.
What do you say?

488
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:27,700
Can I complain about one?
Other source material thing?

489
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,400
Yeah, sure.
Let's do it.

490
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,900
All right, so I like how you
waited till the very end of me

491
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:36,700
saying, like, let's get to it.
And then you're like, no, no, no

492
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:38,800
one more complete.
I mean, how was I supposed to

493
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,900
interrupt you?
You were just, I was I on

494
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:43,500
through, I was on a roll, man.
I don't want to interrupt you

495
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:47,300
material Severus Snape.
Hmm.

496
00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:50,800
So here's the thing I'm I know
I'm about to piss off, a lot of

497
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:56,700
people and I'll accept that so
Severus Snape sshole deal, is

498
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:58,900
that he loves Lily you.
All right.

499
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,200
I'm just gonna give you a
scenario.

500
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,900
Bob, you tell me what you think
of this scenario.

501
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,900
Kid grows up, you know, he's a
little bit poor.

502
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,800
He has this little girl that
he's like, genuinely just good

503
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,600
friends with they get to high
school.

504
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,400
He develops a crush on her
really falls in love with her

505
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,800
because they've been friends for
forever.

506
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,900
And she's one of the only people
that's ever been nice to him.

507
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:23,300
She ends up dating somebody
else.

508
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,200
He's sad about it.
Probably probably a little angry

509
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,400
about it.
She gets married to this other

510
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,300
guy.
He's just Heartbroken crushed

511
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,900
he/she goes on and has a kid
with this other guy.

512
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:39,700
Just still just really sad and
heartbroken and then they both

513
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:41,300
die.
They're both killed.

514
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:45,700
They're both murdered like at a
certain point.

515
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,300
When does it become weird to
still be obsessively in love

516
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:52,800
with your friend from childhood?
Yeah.

517
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,700
And is it when she's dating
someone else, is it when she's

518
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,500
married to someone else?
Is that when she's had kids with

519
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:01,200
someone else, right?
Because it is A certain point.

520
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:06,300
I don't think what he is doing
is loving, I think it is sad and

521
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:12,200
I think that it is harmful to
himself, it's others and to

522
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,100
others.
So that the thing is that

523
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,900
Harry's dad is kind of a great
and I kind of love right?

524
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:19,700
They never give him a Redemption
Arc like you never find out that

525
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:21,600
he like you know, pull the baby
out of a.

526
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,200
Well, he's just has to live with
that forever.

527
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,300
But yep, which is cool.
I mean, like, you know, I'm glad

528
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:30,900
they did that and and didn't try
to You heard in some weird

529
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:35,400
growth there, but like at a
certain point, you're kind of on

530
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,400
team James Potter because like
imagine it from his point of

531
00:29:38,408 --> 00:29:42,100
view, you are married.
It's like, it's like the reverse

532
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:47,400
Mavis Gary, like, like Yammer is
Snape is Young adulting, the

533
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,100
Potter family?
Yes, Thank you.

534
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:54,000
Bob.
I as long as you can understand

535
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,300
my angst with that part of the
story and like I've talked to

536
00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:02,600
people who are like, oh, Severus
Snape always, it's adorable.

537
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,900
He has her Petronas as his I'm
like, and I usually try to just

538
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:09,400
be nice and be like, oh yeah,
that's that's kind of cool.

539
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,700
Like, that's an interesting part
of the story.

540
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,600
Like, at a certain point mass
will be creepy.

541
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,000
It is and it looks like I've
never understood why we so like

542
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,100
glorify what?
He does because yes, even to

543
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:26,100
Harry like as he's dying.
He's like you have your mom's

544
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:30,100
eyes and also like I've still
totally want to your mom like,

545
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:34,500
like his whole motivation is,
I'm in love with your dead mom.

546
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,700
And you never really get the
sense that he is motivated by

547
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:43,400
doing the right thing.
Like his whole reason when you

548
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,800
read the lore for like going to
Dumbledore in the first place

549
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,100
was like, I'm a Death Eater.
I have made some bad mistakes.

550
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,400
I want Lily Potter to be
protected and that's why he

551
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,200
starts working for the good
guys, as a double agent and

552
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,000
like, all the way through after
Lily dies, and he swears to

553
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,700
Dumbledore that he's going to
protect Harry.

554
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:05,000
He's motivated by the fact that
he wants to a dead lady.

555
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,000
And like, you never really truly
get a sense that it's just like

556
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,100
no Voldemort is bad and I need
to do the right thing.

557
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:18,600
It's kind of just like, I've
made a vow to this dead woman

558
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:23,600
that I love, and I'm It for her.
And I just don't understand why

559
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,500
we see that as like some huge
Act of Valor and not just like

560
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:31,700
this, really desperate pathetic
in cell guy, I don't know.

561
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,500
Yep.
Dude, I am happy as a clam you

562
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:39,100
could give this movie A 1 out of
10 or 10 out of 10, I wouldn't

563
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:41,500
even care.
That's all I needed to get out

564
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:43,500
in this episode.
All right, let's drink some

565
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What do you say?

566
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Alright, so today we are
checking out Rowan's Creek.

589
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,000
Now Brad, this might sound kind
of familiar to you because it

590
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,100
has a brother whiskey called
Noah's Mill.

591
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,400
This is produced by Willett
Distillery originally, when this

592
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,800
came out, it was a 12-year age
stated product.

593
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,000
It is no longer age stated,
which means it's a blend of some

594
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,600
whiskeys, but it's kind of known
as like Noah's Mill.

595
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,400
Light its Will Dad a little bit
lower proof and always Mill is

596
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,800
114 proof this clocks in at
100.1.

597
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:35,300
Proof very very necessary that
.10, you know, it.

598
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,500
But you know, from everything
I've read about it.

599
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:40,600
I think I've had this maybe one
time before Brad, but I can't

600
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,400
remember because I'm such a huge
fan of Noah's Mill.

601
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,000
I just keep buying that.
So from everything I've heard,

602
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,200
everything I've read, this is
kind of like a slightly more

603
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,100
tamed version of Noah's Mill.
And Brad.

604
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:55,300
It's been a little while since
we've had no is Mill.

605
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:58,900
I think we drank it when we did
A League of Their Own and we had

606
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:00,600
Bourbon and blondes on the
podcast.

607
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:02,100
I believe that was it.
Yeah.

608
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:04,600
And I'm a huge fan of it.
I think everybody else was a

609
00:34:04,608 --> 00:34:09,300
little cooler on it than me, but
this is our first return to will

610
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:12,000
it in a while.
How are you feeling about it?

611
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:14,800
Dude.
I this is this is the funk man.

612
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:18,300
I'm ready.
This, it's just Funk, the ha,

613
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:20,100
man.
All right, so then let's just

614
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:22,900
dive in.
I want to know like You knows

615
00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:27,100
this is there a funk on it or am
I just crazy for me?

616
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:31,500
There's a little bit of a floral
note that is dissonant with the

617
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:34,300
rest of the nose because most of
it.

618
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:37,199
I got like Cherry caramel and
cream.

619
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,400
Just like a really nice pleasant
nose but there's just some weird

620
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,500
floral just kind of some like
rose lavender.

621
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:50,900
Flowery stuff going on that was
unique and interesting and a

622
00:34:50,908 --> 00:34:53,300
little bit funky.
So I'll give it a seven and a

623
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:56,000
half on the nose.
I think Rose is the perfect.

624
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,100
Note to describe what I get on,
will it products?

625
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:02,100
Like it's dusty.
There's some sawdust to it and I

626
00:35:02,107 --> 00:35:05,900
think like when I pick up on
that dusting as and other things

627
00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:09,300
I'm immediately like oh, will it
but then when I go back to a,

628
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,500
will it product?
It's not so much just that it's

629
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:12,300
dusty.
You're right.

630
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:16,600
It's this really interesting
Rose kind of character that's on

631
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,800
this in Spades, man.
Like I really like this a lot.

632
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,200
It doesn't smell incredibly
sweet.

633
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,700
I think the floral note really
kind of dominates in the glass,

634
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,800
I'm excited to see where it
goes, but it doesn't have a ton

635
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,700
of bourbon e character behind
it.

636
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,900
I'm going to give it an 8 out of
10 on the nose.

637
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,600
When I get into the actual
palette, I really enjoy this.

638
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,700
That cherry comes through strong
for me.

639
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:42,900
There's a nice bit of vanilla
that's that's kind of hinted in

640
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:46,300
there with it and then there's
like a little bit of a pepper

641
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,200
like a black pepper note that I
I'm really intrigued by the

642
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,100
floral stuff kind of disappears.
For me, it's not as there.

643
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:57,700
It's not there.
Quite as much on the palate but

644
00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:00,900
it's a really nice fun,
interesting palette I'll give it

645
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:03,100
an 8 out of 10.
I think I'm going to split from

646
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:05,000
you here a little bit.
Brad I don't really care for

647
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,900
this as much as Noah's Mel and
part of it is because it doesn't

648
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:10,900
have a consistent sweetness
throughout like it really kind

649
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:15,200
of tips into almost some tannic
like wine character for me on

650
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,800
the palate.
A lot of rice spice.

651
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,400
Like in fact I think that the
front of my palate would have

652
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,200
mistaken this for Rye.
And then, as I kind of kicked it

653
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,100
to the back of my mouth, it has
a nice kind of dark red wine

654
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:30,300
character when you go to swallow
and I'll get into this on

655
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:34,600
finish, it turns, really bitter
and the oak is pretty prominent,

656
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,800
but not in a way that tastes
like chard.

657
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,700
I don't know if you remember
when we did Elijah.

658
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:41,700
Craig toasted Barrel.
We talked about the differences

659
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:44,700
in flavor between a toasted
barrel and a charred barrel.

660
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,300
And this really does seem to
have kind of like a, I don't

661
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:52,000
know, like a really youthful
kind of underseasoned.

662
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:56,200
Wood flavor going on to it.
Not a huge fan of this palette.

663
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,600
I'm going to give it a six and a
half.

664
00:36:57,900 --> 00:36:59,800
Yeah, the the finish.
I'm right there with you.

665
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,900
Bob, it gets very Oaky.
It's a long finish and there's a

666
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:07,600
little bit of spice going on to
me, it's the least impressive

667
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,100
part of the whiskey so far, but
it's still decent.

668
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:15,100
I'll give it a 7 out of 10.
Yeah, man, the second sip I just

669
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:18,700
took it definitely was a little
bit more sweet on the tip of my

670
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:23,700
tongue but it goes so tannic and
So bitter on the end.

671
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:27,200
It's like it's like drinking
really, really strong black tea

672
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,000
and not a huge fan.
The Finish is your right as

673
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,100
long, it's mouth-watering and I
know I said it was tannic so you

674
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,600
wouldn't think it was
mouth-watering but it's not,

675
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:40,300
it's not one that burns too much
is not one that just kind of

676
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:42,600
saps, all the moisture out of
your mouth.

677
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:45,600
I just don't really care for
this flavor, that's left behind.

678
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,500
So I'm only going to give it a 5
and a half on Finish.

679
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:52,200
Well, that brings us to our
balance honestly, Bob for me, I

680
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:55,800
I think this is a good mix of
flavors that stay decently

681
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,000
strong throughout.
I'll give it a seven and a half

682
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,100
on balance.
It's pretty decent.

683
00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:02,400
Yeah, I'm gonna go 26 on
balance.

684
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,300
I know it's probably unfair for
me to compare this so strongly

685
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:07,600
to Noah's Mill.
But man, I just think that's

686
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,700
such a better product all the
way through.

687
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,800
This one really tapered off from
the nose, into the palette, into

688
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,700
the finish.
I'm going to give it a go to

689
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:18,400
five and a half again,
unbalanced.

690
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:20,700
All right.
Bob, you're at the liquor store.

691
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,300
You're looking at all the
Because you could buy and you

692
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:30,300
see this for $48 state of Ohio.
Yikes, that is a lot of money

693
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:34,100
for this whiskey and I think
I'll give it a 5 out of 10 on

694
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:37,300
value.
I think it's a solid whiskey.

695
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:42,200
I just think it should be like a
thirty five dollar bottle, 38

696
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,800
dollar bottle.
Not $48 Noah's Mill is like

697
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:49,200
eight dollars more and it is
Barrel strength.

698
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,500
I mean like I don't bottle it
entails drink but it's like a

699
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:54,100
cask strength.
The whiskey and it's just so

700
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,800
much more consistent and you
look around at other things in

701
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,000
this price point.
I mean, wild turkey Rare Breed

702
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,900
is like five dollars less than
this.

703
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,200
If you're talking about
something that's bottled at 100

704
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,500
Proof, that's this good.
I mean, you can look at pretty

705
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,700
much everything in the Rebel
Yell line.

706
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:11,000
I man I just I don't see it
dude.

707
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,400
I'm gonna give it that.
Let's give it a five and a half.

708
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,700
Again I think that's kind of
like my consistent theme here

709
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:18,200
today.
So I'm coming out to a thirty

710
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,100
one out of 50.
Brad.

711
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:22,100
What's your final score?
I'm going to 30.

712
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:23,500
Five out of 50.
Wow.

713
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:28,300
Okay so we're averaging out to a
33 or a 66 out of 100.

714
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:30,300
I think that's a pretty good
point for this.

715
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:34,500
It's just below where we would
normally recommend trying and or

716
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:37,900
buying, I actually don't think
you need to try this and I don't

717
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:40,800
think you need to buy this.
I really would recommend just

718
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,100
going for Noah's Mill.
It's better all around for me.

719
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:47,900
I think I'd recommend trying it,
if it's something that's that,

720
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,800
you know, there's like mixed
sweetness, a little bit of

721
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,100
spice.
Iciness some.

722
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:55,200
Okay.
If it's, if that sounds like

723
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,400
your profile like, yeah, sure,
go for it.

724
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,500
But I'm with you don't buy a
bottle of it.

725
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:02,800
Just try a poor at your local
bar and it might be something

726
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,700
that tickles your fancy Brad
before we get back into Harry

727
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:07,900
Potter.
I just want to give a quick

728
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:09,800
shout-out because do you know
who sent us this?

729
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,400
Sample of Rowan's Creek.
It's our friends Bourbon and

730
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,500
stuff.
They send us that box of

731
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:17,800
whiskey.
Have they sent us stuff yet?

732
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:20,700
They have not sent us stuff,
they really need to get on that,

733
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:22,100
but we have been sitting on this
sample.

734
00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:26,800
For like two seasons now, we
finally worked it into the into

735
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,200
the episodes, so I'm sorry that
it was a little bit more of a

736
00:40:30,207 --> 00:40:34,000
letdown than we expected.
But we are eternally grateful to

737
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Bourbon and stuff.
Yeah, if you want to go head on

738
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,900
over to Instagram, check out
Bourbon and stuff.

739
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:43,600
They are a phenomenal whiskey
page and we're just incredibly

740
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,500
thankful for them.
They're great people.

741
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,100
All right Brad it's time to get
back into talking about the

742
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:51,300
movie.
So let's pivot back to Harry

743
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:54,200
Potter, 8.
Wait, what do you say pivot?

744
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,800
All right, everybody that was
Rowan's Creek, a whiskey that we

745
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,800
are a little bit cool on and
honestly Bob, it feels like it's

746
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,200
paired with a movie that we're a
little bit cool Lon.

747
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:11,300
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll see Pops like

748
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:13,000
getting ready to give it a nine
and a half.

749
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,300
You see Bob as we have been the
last few episodes.

750
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:21,700
Here we are about to move into
our newest segment one which I

751
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:25,900
just found out today.
I have had it confirmed by our

752
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:30,100
favorite Canuck himself, Put
your flash has confirmed for me.

753
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:33,500
That this is Canada's favorite
segments?

754
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000
Well, that's that's great.
Because America's favorite

755
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,700
segment is Brad explains.
So yeah, we can amicably split

756
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:43,300
these two things.
We're covering both sides of the

757
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:45,900
Border man.
So what's the segment two facts

758
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:47,500
in a falsehood?
There it is.

759
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:51,100
Alright, let's get into two
facts and a falsehood and see if

760
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:53,300
Brad can stump me.
Hit me with fact.

761
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:56,700
Number one, bread fact.
Number one Harry's, lightning

762
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:58,500
bolt scar was applied.
Bye.

763
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:03,000
Makeup teams, approximately five
thousand eight hundred times by

764
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,400
the end of the film franchise.
Daniel Radcliffe had the scar

765
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,900
applied to thousand times.
While the rest were applied to

766
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:15,000
stunt doubles and stand-ins.
Fax number two, all told Harry

767
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,600
War 52, different outfits for
the movies and many of the

768
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,700
street clothes that he wore were
from his own wardrobe.

769
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,800
Fax number three, Daniel
Radcliffe went through, 160

770
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,500
pairs of glasses across all
eight films, and the majority

771
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:34,500
did not have lenses in them to
avoid a reflection on the

772
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:38,900
camera.
These seem incredibly trivial.

773
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:42,200
So this is really really hard
because I mean it it is a

774
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:48,300
trivia, it is a trivia segment.
So I know the story about Daniel

775
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:51,000
Radcliffe constantly breaking
his glasses in his wand.

776
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,400
I know he went through like
41's, I'll say, the glass is to

777
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,800
who freaking knows this is hard
because I mean it could just be

778
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:04,600
any of these three things.
I'm gonna say I was gonna say

779
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,100
ones the falsehood because that
seems like a high number.

780
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,800
Like 2000.
Seems like a lot.

781
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,500
But I'm gonna say twos the
falsehood just because I don't

782
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:17,600
know about Daniel Radcliffe's
own wardrobe.

783
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:23,600
So I'll say to the falsehood Bob
you are 100%, correct.

784
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,400
Number two, was the falsehood
cool.

785
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,100
I did it.
Yeah, you did.

786
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:32,400
I mention proud of myself?
And I will say the, the facts

787
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,800
about his scar application.
And his how many glasses he went

788
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,900
through.
Were provided by Warner Bros

789
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:45,500
studio of London.
They did like a whole Twitter

790
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,000
series talking about.
It was like a trivia section

791
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,100
where you could vote.
For which will answer you

792
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:53,300
thought was right.
And so they did they did a whole

793
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:55,700
thing.
I'm like just behind the scenes

794
00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:58,000
movie trivia, that's cool.
We don't have to worry about

795
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,700
anything being fake this episode
verified by the studio itself.

796
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:03,600
That's right.
All right, Brad.

797
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:05,800
So we have not talked to
performances.

798
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,700
We don't really have time to
talk performances especially

799
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:12,700
with a cast of this large, so
why don't you just single out?

800
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:15,100
Someone you thought was really
good and someone that you

801
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:17,200
thought underwhelmed in this
movie.

802
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:21,200
I think that Daniel Radcliffe is
a little underwhelming.

803
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:23,000
Yeah, yeah.
And this one.

804
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:28,300
Yeah II think we kind of got
Peak Daniel Radcliffe in.

805
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,000
Was it the third or the fourth
one that we liked him in?

806
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,200
Yeah, I can't remember.
It was like, I was one of those

807
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,100
movies that we were like, oh,
that's too bad because the movie

808
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:36,600
was not great, but he was really
good.

809
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,000
It was the fourth.
It was the fourth.

810
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,100
Well, yeah.
Because that's the one where he

811
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:43,700
like yeah.
Definitely the fourth one.

812
00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:47,600
Yeah, Daniel Radcliffe.
Just here's the thing.

813
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,500
I'd Can't imagine anyone elses
Harry Potter.

814
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:52,800
Sure why?
I like, I genuinely like him as

815
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,200
Harry Potter, but overall, I
think his performances are up

816
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,800
and down throughout the series,
with a few more downbeats than

817
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,700
up.
Hmm.

818
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:04,700
All right.
Yeah, I'm with you on that.

819
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:06,800
I will hand the award for
underwhelming to Daniel

820
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,700
Radcliffe, but that's only
because I think one of the Fatal

821
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:13,400
flaws with this movie is there
is so much plot to get through

822
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:16,400
that.
Some characters, barely even

823
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,500
show up in the movie.
And it got to the point where,

824
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,900
you know, Harry goes out into
the woods to meet Voldemort and

825
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:26,600
they've got Hagrid tied up, and
I was like, oh, sure, it's

826
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,100
haggar.
Like I forgot I could then we

827
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:32,500
leave things out about Hagrid
and the only like, you're only

828
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:34,500
introduction to him.
Is that like they cut to a

829
00:45:34,508 --> 00:45:37,600
close-up and he's like, hey Ray,
what are you doing here?

830
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,500
What I call Hagrid.
So I just want you to record the

831
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:44,400
entire episode and that as a
grass.

832
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,600
That's correct.
Wait, so it's kind of hard for

833
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,100
me to give out an award for
someone who really impressed me

834
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:56,500
because it's still just about
Harry and Voldemort and a little

835
00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:58,600
bit of Hermione and that's about
it.

836
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:04,600
So, I'll mean, I'll just say
Emma Watson still acts circles

837
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:07,100
around the rest of the child
actors.

838
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,800
Like, she's the only convincing
one.

839
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,200
Even at the end of the movie,
where they're trying to make

840
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,400
them look like they're 37 years
old but it ranges from like 20

841
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,500
to 50 based on the makeup.
Yeah, like she's Pretending to

842
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:21,300
be sad that her fake child is
going away on the Hogwarts

843
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:24,500
Express and it she sells it like
she's really good.

844
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,500
Yeah 100%.
So I mean, you know, I'll give

845
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:30,000
her that and I'll give the
underwhelming to Daniel

846
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,200
Radcliffe.
I will say, I think that every

847
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,800
scene that they are in
throughout all of the movies,

848
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:42,400
the twins who play Fred and
George are just spectacular.

849
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,300
I absolutely love them.
And even even the place where,

850
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:50,200
you know, they are standing On
the wall together, waiting for

851
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,200
the impending Invasion.
Like just that little moment,

852
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,400
they have together.
You can just feel their

853
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,200
sincerity through the screen
that they genuinely love one

854
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,400
another.
And when, when one of the two

855
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,900
dies, I don't remember if it's
Fred or George, who dies, which

856
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:09,500
feels appropriate because the
mom can't even tell them apart

857
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:12,900
when, when they are mourning his
loss.

858
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:15,700
That's probably the one part of
the movie where I feel the

859
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:20,400
crushing weight of what's
happened, the Most so II love.

860
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:22,400
Love the twins.
They're, they're probably some

861
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,900
of my favorite of all the
secondary characters throughout

862
00:47:25,900 --> 00:47:27,200
the movies.
All right.

863
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,700
We're done with performances.
Forget the rest of the cast

864
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:32,900
there, all mediocre.
So over it.

865
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,400
Yeah.
What about Ray finds?

866
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,600
No, I'm not feeling him in this
movie.

867
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,600
You know what it is either.
It's bringing Voldemort into the

868
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,200
daylight Like just that he looks
so badass.

869
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:49,500
He does the like the, the weird
little laugh at Neville and you

870
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:51,200
know, like that's what he sounds
like.

871
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,900
What do you laughs?
It's just it ruined the

872
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:55,400
character.
It's so bad, dude.

873
00:47:55,500 --> 00:48:00,300
I will say the moment where he
hugs Malfoy, like, when he comes

874
00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:06,700
across is like on the edge of
being terribly cringe-worthy,

875
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:11,500
but like it just fits the
character so well so that's a

876
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:15,400
Moment that I do like the
awkwardness of like Tom Felton

877
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,600
being like what the hell am I
supposed to do?

878
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:21,300
There were laughs in my theater
at that moment really?

879
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:23,800
Oh 100%.
Yeah and it pulls you out of the

880
00:48:23,808 --> 00:48:28,700
movie I mean Bobby have you ever
laughed at a movie at a point

881
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:30,800
where nobody else in the theater
was laughing?

882
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,100
So frequently.
Okay guys, I've done that in a

883
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:40,000
few very key points of movies.
And my wife is just like,

884
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,900
elbowing me, like, shut up.
That is kind of the nice thing

885
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:44,800
about watching.
Movies at home though, is like,

886
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,000
every once in a while.
I watch a movie that just is so,

887
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,300
Preposterous that out loud.
I'll just be like, like you

888
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,300
like.
Yeah, you can't do that in a

889
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:55,300
real movie theater.
Yeah.

890
00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:57,600
Oh man.
All right, so just quickly, I do

891
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,800
want to say that.
I think David Yates really turns

892
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,600
things around in the second half
of this movie.

893
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,900
And for me, it started with this
Montage of Harry kind of going

894
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:09,800
back out into the battlefield
and it's done in slow motion and

895
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,000
the sound kind of Fades and
There's a troll and you find

896
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,800
that lavender Brown is died.
And like from that moment on, I

897
00:49:17,808 --> 00:49:20,800
think the editing is nearly
impeccable.

898
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,900
The filmmaking is really, really
well done.

899
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:27,000
And the whole sequence, where
Harry returns to Dumbledore's

900
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:30,000
office and puts his memory into
the whatever that thing is

901
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:35,200
called like that upholds.
The the pensive, the pensive is

902
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:40,500
so that whole sequence of
finding out Snape's backstory

903
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:45,300
And the way it's edited together
and the score, it is probably

904
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:49,800
the best, like, the most
cinematic thing to happen in all

905
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,000
eight movies, like it's that or
something the cuaron did in the

906
00:49:53,008 --> 00:49:57,800
third one, and I have to hand it
to him like it is just so well

907
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,000
done.
And I feel like if there's any

908
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,900
flaw to it, it's that the
emotion of watching Alan Rickman

909
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:09,000
find Lily dead is undercut by
the fact that immediately

910
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,600
they're like let's get back to
the plot.

911
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,400
And then you get the voice-over
of Dumbledore being like so.

912
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,500
Yeah.
Anyway Harry has to die and I'm

913
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:18,900
like I want to dwell in this a
little bit longer because I feel

914
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:24,500
very moved by it and so I think
again sometimes the necessities

915
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:29,100
of the plot like are working
against what Yates is trying to

916
00:50:29,107 --> 00:50:31,900
do as a filmmaker.
So it's not always just that

917
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:35,100
he's doing something poorly or
that he wasn't thinking things

918
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:37,200
through.
I think sometimes it's just that

919
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,300
they feel this need to go as
fast as they can through.

920
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:46,100
You know, the mechanisms of the
plot to get to the end and

921
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:47,900
nowhere.
Was that more apparent for me

922
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,900
than when Harry comes back from
the dead and reveals himself and

923
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,500
Dumbledore and him somehow get
close enough to like hug and

924
00:50:55,500 --> 00:51:00,400
fall off a bridge and and
Harry's triangle, did I say?

925
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,500
Dumbledore Voldemort?
You know, the same thing

926
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:07,800
basically.
And here he's trying to say like

927
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,400
hey I don't think you understand
that the Elder one And is not

928
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,700
allegiance to you, but that
whole plot point is so fuzzy at

929
00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:17,600
that point.
And it's going so quickly that

930
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,600
he's just like, hey, what if,
what if the wind isn't isn't a

931
00:51:20,607 --> 00:51:22,700
legion to you at all, man?
Come on, Tom, let's finish this

932
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:25,900
together and they dive off a
bridge and I'm like, this is

933
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:28,200
going way too fast.
I don't understand what's going

934
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,700
on.
So, even though the second half

935
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:34,600
of this film worked for me,
there always seems to be

936
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,100
something working against it
being completely successful.

937
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,200
I'm with you, dude.
And I think by the end of the

938
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,600
film, like, You have the Victory
and you're like, yay, we won.

939
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,400
And then like the final scene
with and I'm not talking about

940
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,400
the, the the, you know, 20 years
later scene, like, the final

941
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,400
scene is Ron and Hermione and,
and Harry.

942
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:02,200
And they don't even really enjoy
the victory.

943
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,300
They just kind of talk about
plot, some more and look at each

944
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:11,100
other and then Harry snaps the
wand and like even in That

945
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:15,000
moment Ron is like, that's a
powerful one.

946
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,100
We can use it and you're like,
that's literally like did you

947
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:24,800
learn anything learned, nothing?
Yeah, it's just the dumbest

948
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,500
thing.
And here's a place where they

949
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:28,800
could have used the source
material.

950
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,200
I know, you don't know this Bob
because you've never read the

951
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:38,400
book, but Harry uses the Elder
Wand once and he uses it to fix

952
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,800
his old wand, the one that he
got.

953
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,700
That represented him entering
the Magical World come on and

954
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:49,500
that's like the that would have
been the perfect thing to do,

955
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,900
you know that sucks.
I'm glad I'm glad he just threw

956
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:54,600
it off the bridge.
No, get out of here, man.

957
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:01,100
The like I said before the whole
movies, the whole book series,

958
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:04,400
The whole idea of Harry Potter
is about him, finding a place

959
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,300
where he belongs.
And so at the end of the series,

960
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,300
the object that really Marked
him as joining the Wizard World

961
00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:16,700
was the one because the wand
chooses the wizard and a wand

962
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:19,200
wouldn't choose you.
If you weren't a wizard, he

963
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,400
fixes that and he gets rid of
this object of power, which is

964
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,500
what Voldemort was chasing,
after power.

965
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:30,500
And all these things, it's a
perfect way to thematically end

966
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:33,800
the series and they just don't
do it.

967
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,900
So that is something that I was
very disappointed with the

968
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:39,100
ending.
All right, so let's hear your

969
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:40,800
final score because I think are
going to come out.

970
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,100
Lower than me on this.
Six and a half.

971
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:49,300
Hmm, I think this is because I
want it to be so much better.

972
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:52,200
I think this is the worst of the
Harry Potter series.

973
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:57,300
I think that I want to give this
an 8 out of 10 because I really

974
00:53:57,300 --> 00:53:58,800
enjoyed it.
Like the end of the movie.

975
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,500
I was like yep.
The first half was probably the

976
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:06,400
worst thing in any of the eight
movies and the second half

977
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,700
worked so well that I was like
it's an eight.

978
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,200
But I think objectively I'm
going to give it a seven and a

979
00:54:11,207 --> 00:54:15,800
half like I When I enjoyed it
more than it, probably is good.

980
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,300
So I'm going to I'm going to
talk to a seven and a half on

981
00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:20,600
this.
That brings our average to a 7

982
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,700
out of 10, which would make
this, I believe the

983
00:54:22,700 --> 00:54:26,700
lowest-ranked of all of the
Harry Potter movies except for

984
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:30,600
maybe Chamber of Secrets.
And I think we weren't super

985
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:31,800
high on order the Phoenix
either.

986
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,500
But I think it came out above a
7.

987
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,700
Yeah, I think order the Phoenix.
We probably around a seven and a

988
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:39,200
half.
Yeah.

989
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:45,200
I think that this and Chamber of
Secrets are We my lowest two of

990
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,900
the of the eight films.
Well, Brad, this has been quite

991
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:50,600
the journey.
We're done with Harry Potter.

992
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:53,500
We have finished the Original
Trilogy of Star Wars.

993
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:56,100
We got to find a new franchise
to walk through.

994
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:58,800
I think I might have given us
that already.

995
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,300
I think we need to do Mission
Impossible.

996
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,100
Dude, I'm with you, man.
All right, but we want to know

997
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:06,800
what you think.
Where does Harry Potter eighth

998
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,000
rank?
Among the eight Potter films for

999
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,500
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1000
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:15,300
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1001
00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:18,200
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1002
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,800
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1003
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,400
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of every single, one of our show

1004
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,400
notes.
Brad, this is it man.

1005
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:31,300
Season 5 has wrapped up, except
for probably the most important

1006
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:33,800
episodes we do.
Each season will be back next

1007
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,300
week with part 1 and part 2 of
our bracket challenge to

1008
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:41,000
determine the winner of season
5.

1009
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,000
But until then I'm Bob book, I'm
Reggie and we'll see you next

1010
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:46,400
time.