Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 / Rowan's Creek

0:00 In 2011 director, David Yates in the child acting Dream Team, gave the world, a climactic finale to literature's greatest young adult Series in 2022. We returned to Kentucky, to try a whiskey with a distinct Funk. The film is Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows part 2. The whiskey is Rowan's Creek and we'll review them both. This is the film and whiskey podcast. Welcome to the film and whiskey podcast, where each week, we review a classic movie and a glass of whiskey. I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and this week we are looking at. Did you say Eleven Bob.

1:00 Wow, I was thinking that we were going to hit the ten year anniversary but we missed it. It's where you going to be eleven year anniversary of the eighth Harry Potter, film, The Deathly Hallows Part 2 henceforth, which will be known as Harry Potter 8. I can't say all that Brad. It's just it's too much. It's an assassination of the Jesse James by the coward. Robert Ford cynic Voldemort by the coward Neville Longbottom. Do you want to know a fun fact that I've learned in researching for this movie? Oh, please Voldemort in French means, flight from Death more. Literally cheat of death or steel of death.

1:41 Wow, mmm. Good. So, like if we, if we knew any french at all, it would just hit us off to everything that's going. It's kind of like, if, you know, German like Darth Vader is a very easy thing to figure out exactly. Wow. Brad, you know, where I want to start today. On Harry Potter. Eat because this is it man. We've gone through the entire series. We started this season with Harry Potter 7. We bookended it with Harry Potter 8. Is this the first time that they did? The thing where they were adapting a series of books and they split it into two because I think this is the first time they did that it has to because I remember when they did that, it was like, not an uproar, but everybody was like, whoa, why did they censor?

2:23 Third splitting it into two. You you could fit into one and They just called a kerfuffle. Yes, there is a kerfuffle exactly. Yeah. Yes, I believe you are correct. This is the first time they took a book series and split the last book into two and then everyone thought that they could do that in subsequent series, I mean, it, you know, the The Hunger Games, movies did it? The Twilight movies did it? You could argue that this influenced The Hobbit movies to split into the alley, I was about to say The Hobbit. So, I mean, just Serious points against this movie for starting. Probably the worst friend ever. Yeah, I really think that you could have made one like, three to three hour and 15 minute movie out of the Deathly Hallows rather than to, like, I don't know.

3:16 They're both probably around like to 10 or so. So, like four hours and 20 minutes or like, actually, like concise 3 hours and 15 minutes. Now, you've read the book. I've never read the book. I stopped after book 5 which is something that I think. I've said on every episode, it's still wild to me, man. I wear it like a badge of honor at this point. You gotta get back in there and read it. Man. I guess those books. I've never going to read them at this point. That's like, that's like saying like f Scotch. I wear it as a badge of honor. I've never tasted a sip of scotch in my life. I mean, okay, so back to my point, you've read the book is the division. Vision of the movies.

3:59 Like, roughly, the halfway point of the book, I believe it is about my, I think that when he added, we have to say spoiler alert, know if you've been listening to this podcast for any length of time, you know, that we dive deep into spoilers and we've already spoiled seven. Harry Potter movies. So I think we might as well just continue the trend. Okay, so when he buries Dobby feels like, at the very least, I don't remember if it's right in the middle of the book. I think it's in a good narrative beat. To, to split the two movies in half. Okay, I'll give him credit there and one thing that we really liked about Harry Potter 7, was that it had a different Rhythm and a different vibe and feel from the rest of the films.

4:43 And, you know, I we kept trying to avoid using the word Shaggy, but like, it definitely felt more loose. It felt like the characters had room to breathe. I really got a sense that you understood the dynamic between these three, In a way that you really never got a chance to because there's so much plot happening in the first six movies. And there's a ton of plot happening in this last year of Hogwarts as well. But because of the way that they let these movies kind of are out, I think it really benefited number 7, but by the time you get to number eight, I think one thing I really noticed on this watch through Brad and I guess spoiling my own feelings towards this movie, is that, I would say, the first 35, 40, 45 minutes. Of this movie felt just completely aimless. Like there was no rhythm to it, it felt like I didn't have a starting point.

5:36 In fact, when I was watching it, I don't even remember this happening in the theater. And so it's one of those things where I don't know if they inserted it later. But the movie starts with like, you know, last week on Harry Potter and they do like a montage of like what we saw, last time we were visiting with Voldemort and then it starts the movie. After that it was very weird to see him Stealing the Elder Wand again and then replaying the end of number 7. It didn't even feel like, episodic television, it just kind of was going. And then I was like, oh, the movies on and I kept doing that for 40 minutes because I was so disinterested with everything that was happening. Yeah.

6:17 The entire Gringotts sequence just feels awkward. I mean, I will give credit where it's due. I think that whoever played griphook Check the goblin Warwick Davis was. Yeah, Warwick my dude from Star Wars Warwick freaking killed it when that when they're like talking to him about the sword and he's like asking them where they got it. I just remember taking a note, I was like, griphook. Here is terrifying. Like he is dark and brooding and I just loved everything. He was doing in that scene, but other than that, the first in the first like, third of this, He's just really boring, Bob and bad. It's like it's badly done.

7:02 And you could tell where they focused their efforts and their energy and their money, frankly, because I think the first, let's talk about that Gringotts sequence and we will get into Brad explains and all that in a minute, but we're on a roll here, so I don't want to get us. Harry Harry tries to kill Voldemort and stuff happens. Boom, the yeah, that explains Brad explains. They have to go down into the bowels of Gringotts bank and Brad. I mean the green screening is off. Awful when they're riding that like trolley cart Indiana, Jones style reminded me. Of when they go visit the Goblin King in The Hobbit and how bad that looked like it looked even worse and you know the dragon doesn't look good. And then there's a part where they're trying to Escape from Gringotts and they're kind of hiding behind a wall and I don't know if it's like goblins or whoever it is.

7:50 Someone shooting Spells at them and you could kind of tell that they were filming it in reshoots because they never Back outside to what was happening outside that room that they were hiding in. You never got a shot with the three kids and whoever their enemies were in the same shot and it just kind of felt like, oh, they must have really botched this the first time around and they're trying to piece something together in reshoots. But man, I texted you at, like the 45-minute Mark of watching this movie and was shocked at how bad it was to that point, it really felt like we were back Back to David Yates of the Order of the Phoenix. Yeah, that like, he just didn't really know where he was going. He didn't know how to handle the characters. It felt like he needed to hit certain story beats, but there was no real Rhythm to the film.

8:44 I think he finds it later in the film but you're right man. The first third, almost the first half of this movie just feels kind of disjointed and wonky and there's not as much money thrown behind the CGI. I'm You know, there's a few beautiful shots when they, you know, when they're riding the dragon off into the sunset and they're there in the middle of all these locks and mountains and stuff like, yeah, it's beautiful. But for the most part, it's a rough 30, 40 minutes to endure. Yeah, it sure is. And it feels like the kind of thing where man, I wish that this series I just implemented the Star Wars like open and crawl. We don't even like, hey, our heroes went and got this thing from a bank.

9:24 And now let's get back to Hogwarts because If go ahead of the opening crawl, had become so pervasive that every single movie utilize it like Juno. This is the opening crawl about getting pregnant. Yep. You dropped in half way through young teen. Girl, she, you know Finding herself raging with hormones. All right, well, on that note, let's pivot hard out of that conversation and Brad. Let's move into Brad explains. This is the part of the podcast, where Brad breaks down the movie that he Just seen often for the first time Brad. This is probably the latest in an episode we've ever intro to Brad explains but I thought that it was it's pretty late man.

10:07 It was necessary to structure our episode the same way this movie is structured with the beginning, that is Meandering and aimless before finally, getting into the meat of things. So you have 60 seconds on the clock. Can you break down the plot of Harry Potter 8? Harry and his friends. They got to get a few more horcruxes there's like two or three more. I think the annual like debate that anyone has when they're watching this movie is like how many horcruxes are left? Like wait, there was a blank to their like, you guy know but also you there's one more. But yeah, so they destroy they find like a cup and they do it in Gringotts and then they're there. Doing good.

10:54 And and I can't remember the plot of this movie for the life of me. It's literally they find the last few horcruxes, they realized that Harry is a horcrux. They go back to Hogwarts and they mounted defense against all the bad Death Eaters and Harry dies to Voldemort after seeing Snape cry. And then he comes back to life and kills Baltimore. Boom, the end is that it it's like, you know, there's a bad murder and then there's a good murder and then we celebrate the good work. Yeah, yeah, that's.

11:35 That's about it. All right, so let's jump back into nitpicking this movie because there was a very specific point in the movie, at which everything started clicking for me. And I was ready to come on here and just poop all over this movie and then it just really started working. And so, We'll get to a point where I start praising this movie, but we're not there yet because I have to talk about, hold your horses. Yeah, I have to talk about how Voldemort starts broadcasting, his thoughts into the ears of everyone inside Hogwarts. So Voldemort leads this very ill-advised ground assault on Hogwarts, which I don't understand. Everyone has brooms. Like, why are you not attacking real like, really attacking from all angles here?

12:17 Dude, I was thinking that when, when McGonagall does the cool locomotive spell and all the Statues. Come out there on the bridge. They put, like a four-time like round it. Yeah. And then the and then they're like telling Neville and the other children to blow up the, the back, the the back entrance, which is this big wooden bridge, right? Like, you do realize that you've spent the last, like I think it's in the third or the fourth movie, I think it's in the fourth movie that they establish that Death Eaters can like fly around like banshees. Yes the only. Okay so they can do that. I think of all of the Then two things in like every movie, the flying car and the flu powder and you're like talking to people through fireplaces.

13:01 And like, there are so many ways, they could have gotten into Hogwarts. That plays was not on lockdown at all. Yeah. I mean, I will say in the books they make it clear that you can't like teleport into Hogwarts and there's like restrictions and stuff. But if you're if you have an army standing right outside, put them on. Brooms, have the Giants. Throw them into the courtyard. I don't know. No, like you got magic like you'll figure it out. So anyway, Voldemort is just standing outside feeling very thwarted and decides to make threats and he broadcasts his mind into the minds of everyone in there and he's like, it's me Voldemort. And they're like, oh my God. And then he says like give up Harry Potter and I'll reward you and then he signs off with you have one hour and that's it. It's so unintentionally funny.

13:50 It sounds so desperate bike. And I think they're trying to underscore the fact that at this point Voldemort is desperate because he understands what Harry and Ron and Hermione are doing. And but it's just every decision with Voldemort in this movie, I feel like really takes away from the Mythos of Voldemort. You know what I mean? Like, he stops being a very threatening character at about the 15-minute Mark of this movie and they do their best to show. He's just a very sad and desperate, man. But it also like it doesn't underscore how sad and desperate it. He is it just comes across as unintentionally funny for a lot of the movie.

14:32 Well, the the struggle for me is he is supposed to be the most powerful wizard of all time. Barring maybe Dumbledore but Dumbledore's dead. So like I don't know I don't know if I agree with you that he doesn't come across as menacing anymore. Like the one our comment I didn't find funny at all. Picture didn't like talking into a telephone and being like, give me Harry Potter and then going to put it down and then just like putting it right back up to his ear saying like you have one hour and then hanging up again and then just seems like such an afterthought and then Harry going. I have a very special set of skills, right? Yeah.

15:14 I don't know. I didn't perceive that in that manner. I think that Voldemort. He kind of struggles in this movie because they tie a lot of his power to the Elder Wand and like this this kind of comes back to me with. I think my big problems with this movie are not necessarily with the movie itself. Although there are some struggles that Yates has as a director. I think that the source material is just really hard to turn into a movie, and I think that is the biggest struggle. And the thing is, I like the seventh book. I like, I like every single book of the Harry Potter series, I think they work Really phenomenally as young adult literature, but as a movie, the seventh book is hard to turn into a movie and I think that it does kind of affect the way you view Voldemort.

16:03 And you spend so much time with Ron and Hermione, trying to find the horcruxes and make their way around the castle and talk to ghosts and and do all these somewhat mundane type of things that you just kind of get lost in the shuffle of like they're doing these cool things outside with the Army and they're putting up this shield and they're bombarding it and you know all this stuff is happening but in the end Voldemort just doesn't come across as the most powerful wizard in the world in this movie. You know. And I think that is a problem of David Yates is a director that like the final battle between Harry and Voldemort is frankly just kind of boring and like not not much really happens.

16:49 And at this Point, they've relied on the wands, connecting to one another, with a spell like 17 times and it just kind of gets old. And so I just, I don't know, man, this movie just overall, doesn't do it for me very well. So to give it a compliment, I will say that as a guy who doesn't like to get really deep into lore of things like this, like especially when it's an adaptation like if I'm reading a book, absolutely, hit me with the Lord. Sounds great in a move. Movie. It needs to be well, constructed enough that my brain isn't constantly questioning the rules. And as long as you do that, I'm on board, like you just have to buy into the premise that it's like the you know I'll call it like the Jurassic Park theory in the movie Jurassic Park.

17:37 The science makes enough sense. The way that it's explained that you're like awesome. Let's go see some T-Rexes. You know what I mean? This science makes enough sense that I think there's a lot of people out there who believe that. Like if you found a mosquito encased in Amber Amber that you could make that, like I think people actually believe that. It I mean it sounds plausible and it's plausible enough. That you're just like, cool. I'm rolling with it, you know. Yeah, exactly. And in Harry Potter, especially in this one. I will say that the more that I have like gone on the Harry Potter Wiki's and everything else to learn more about horcruxes, the more my eyes glaze over seeing it all, spelled out makes it It more boring and this movie does just enough to be like here's a little piece of information.

18:25 Here's why that horcrux isn't working, here's the reveal that Harry is a horcrux and we're going to do it in just these little bits that Propel The Narrative forward and whet your appetite and don't leave you completely confused. And I actually really appreciated that because I think one knock that I've seen against this movie is that it doesn't dive deep enough into the lore or that it doesn't. It doesn't lay it out in a way that A lot of sense, but I thought that it made enough sense that what was happening on screen was still highlighted and it wasn't just the mythology and the backdrop that was being highlighted because I think that would have made this movie drag even more. No, I'm with you. I think that there's always opportunities to over explain what's going on in the books for any series that's based on books.

19:12 You just have a lot more pages for people to read in a book. Then you have minutes for someone to watch a film. And so I'm okay. When they they kind of concisely bring the information to a point that people need to understand what's going on. Like you said, give me the premise and I can roll with the implications of that premise. I think that with the World of Harry Potter it can just for me every once in a while, get confusing because and I think that the newer Harry Potter movies, struggle from this, the the Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them franchise at a certain point. You have to just ask the question, when what are the limits on Magic?

19:55 And I think in the in the original series, they do a pretty good job of like sticking to the world that that Rowling created of like There are rules to Magic. There's like research that goes into making new spells and you know you have to really study and learn and and do all this stuff and some people are more naturally powerful but you still have to study and all that. But by the time you get to this one at a certain point, your It does just kind of feel like, are we just making magic, do whatever we want? Now like are there any rules and and Voldemort kind of epitomizes that? And this it's like he just gets angry enough that the The Shield barrier comes down and he's just flying around and doing stuff and you just kind of cool and do whatever he wants. And I don't know, I just hit a certain point where I'm like is it just a little bit ridiculous?

20:46 And I think that a series like this is always going to like open itself. To the criticisms about having like a day use ex machina rate. Like that something that comes in in the 11th Hour that they're like, oh, remember this magical pen is going to write our way to Victory and they're like, hey, you know, the pain wasn't even in the plot until 3/4 of the way through the movie. And that's just, that's how worlds of magic are and I accept it and I understand it. And so you have to give it take her, the little bit of a grain of salt, but I agree with you that this Be in particular or this you know, book in the series, it introduces so many of those and it's like we have to explain all of the Loose Ends of this prophecy. And was this prophecy true or was this prophecy just misinterpreted, and OU he created another horcrux on accident and you're that horcrux. And so you have to die now and then once you die, it's like well guess what?

21:41 He was misinformed about the Elder Wand and then you go back and there's more about the Elder Wand and it's like, I don't care anymore. I want to see The Final Duel between these two. But I don't want the, the rules of this duel and who's going to win to only be based on some weird loophole technicality. And I think that's the thing that really bothers me about it is like, it doesn't feel like Voldemort and Harry are fighting as equals. And I don't even mean that like, you know, to your point like if Voldemort is the most powerful wizard, like he would kick Harry's ass and we all understand that. But even even if you just present like a weakened Voldemort fighting his hardest, Against Harry like, that's compelling and it's good versus evil, but it's the fact that it's like, you're going to defeat him because the Elder Wand isn't loyal to him. What's the significance of that?

22:32 Like, hmm, there's so much in these books that that tries to be metaphorical, and I think at that point, it's like, what's the point? What's the, the symbol here is it? That Voldemort is putting Blind Faith in things that he doesn't understand. He's just too. Angry and hateful to see what's going on in front of his face. But honestly, like even as an audience member, they don't explain what the hell is going on with the Elder ones, Allegiance, until way, after the fact like Voldemort's dead and everyone's happy and saying her a and then her mind he's like, hey, what was going on with that older one? By the way actually we've seen to explain it that late in the movie than just don't freakin do it. And yeah so that's your right.

23:18 It's one of my biggest. Pigs with the whole series, I couldn't care less about the Elder Wand and they make it like the most important point of the plot towards the end of this film. I think that the Deathly Hallows in general, just feel like such a weird addition to the series because they're not even mentioned in the books before the seventh book like they're like, there's just nothing about them. And then all of a sudden, the entire seventh book is about them trying to find them as they're fine. Being the horcruxes and I just struggle with them becoming such a focal part of the series, so late in the series, and I think that it undermines like Harry's growth as a character. Like, the final battle should represent Harry reaching the Pinnacle of belief in himself, right? Because what, where do we have Harry at the start of the whole series?

24:15 He's living in a Cupboard. Beneath the stairs in his Abusive, aunt and uncle's house where he is last place in everything and unwanted and uncharitable. And so like the end of the movie should be a place where he has, you know, if we're talking about like Maslow's hierarchy of needs, he has self-actualized, he knows who he is. He has sacrificed himself for the greater good. He believes in himself and his friends that have become family and because of those things, he has become more powerful than the most powerful wizard who ever lived and beats him in a fair and square. Yes.

24:57 Yes. That like, that would represent the Pinnacle of good triumphing over evil. Well, and that's the thing about these, the Deathly Hallows as that there's such such aids to him like and it's not that they do a job but it's that they're like these all powerful things and they come at the point in the story where he should need the least amount of help. Yeah. You know, in book, 1. The kid is like 11 years old and they're like hey man all you get to fight this guy who has a face growing out of the back of his head is an invisibility cloak like good luck which which was a dud Deathly Hallow. Right. But yeah. But by the time you get to the seventh book. It's like, hey, what if you had a stone that could raise you from the dead? Like what if you were all powerful and had a resurrection Stone?

25:42 And it's like, well then there's no snakes to anything. Well, but even that though, it's not that it raised him from the dead. Is that it brought the spirits back to give him support to go die. And so like it wasn't really necessary because you already pulled his parents dead Spirits out once in the fourth book, when you had their wands connect the first time. So why don't you just? I don't know, do something like that. Like, I don't know, the Deathly Hallows, just feel like such a weird device MacGuffin, if you will. I like, they just feel like a weird addition and once again, I will iterate that I'm not necessarily talking about the movie.

26:23 I am talking about the source material at this point. So it if y'all look just love that part of the source material great, like that's awesome. I just never fully understood why it's there and see I have always said that I'm a movie guy and this is a movie podcast and if you come back to me and say like will just read the book. I shouldn't have to read the book to understand the movie. The movie is a thing that stands on its own or should and So I am coming at it from the point of the movie because I have not read The Source material and to its credit. I think that the internal logic of the movie works, like, I understand what's going on. I just think that sometimes it's sloppily constructed and and they introduced way too many of these get-out-of-jail-free cards. Brad, when we come back from break we will talk more about the filmmaking here.

27:12 We haven't talked to performances at all and I do think that I Want To Praise some things that David Yates does particularly in the second half. For the film. But before we get there let's hit pause. Let's try this Rowan's Creek. What do you say? Can I complain about one? Other source material thing? Yeah, sure. Let's do it. All right, so I like how you waited till the very end of me saying, like, let's get to it. And then you're like, no, no, no one more complete. I mean, how was I supposed to interrupt you? You were just, I was I on through, I was on a roll, man. I don't want to interrupt you material Severus Snape. Hmm. So here's the thing I'm I know I'm about to piss off, a lot of people and I'll accept that so Severus Snape sshole deal, is that he loves Lily you. All right.

28:00 I'm just gonna give you a scenario. Bob, you tell me what you think of this scenario. Kid grows up, you know, he's a little bit poor. He has this little girl that he's like, genuinely just good friends with they get to high school. He develops a crush on her really falls in love with her because they've been friends for forever. And she's one of the only people that's ever been nice to him. She ends up dating somebody else. He's sad about it. Probably probably a little angry about it. She gets married to this other guy. He's just Heartbroken crushed he/she goes on and has a kid with this other guy. Just still just really sad and heartbroken and then they both die. They're both killed.

28:41 They're both murdered like at a certain point. When does it become weird to still be obsessively in love with your friend from childhood? Yeah. And is it when she's dating someone else, is it when she's married to someone else? Is that when she's had kids with someone else, right? Because it is A certain point. I don't think what he is doing is loving, I think it is sad and I think that it is harmful to himself, it's others and to others. So that the thing is that Harry's dad is kind of a great and I kind of love right? They never give him a Redemption Arc like you never find out that he like you know, pull the baby out of a.

29:21 Well, he's just has to live with that forever. But yep, which is cool. I mean, like, you know, I'm glad they did that and and didn't try to You heard in some weird growth there, but like at a certain point, you're kind of on team James Potter because like imagine it from his point of view, you are married. It's like, it's like the reverse Mavis Gary, like, like Yammer is Snape is Young adulting, the Potter family? Yes, Thank you. Bob. I as long as you can understand my angst with that part of the story and like I've talked to people who are like, oh, Severus Snape always, it's adorable.

30:02 He has her Petronas as his I'm like, and I usually try to just be nice and be like, oh yeah, that's that's kind of cool. Like, that's an interesting part of the story. Like, at a certain point mass will be creepy. It is and it looks like I've never understood why we so like glorify what? He does because yes, even to Harry like as he's dying. He's like you have your mom's eyes and also like I've still totally want to your mom like, like his whole motivation is, I'm in love with your dead mom. And you never really get the sense that he is motivated by doing the right thing. Like his whole reason when you read the lore for like going to Dumbledore in the first place was like, I'm a Death Eater. I have made some bad mistakes.

30:50 I want Lily Potter to be protected and that's why he starts working for the good guys, as a double agent and like, all the way through after Lily dies, and he swears to Dumbledore that he's going to protect Harry. He's motivated by the fact that he wants to a dead lady. And like, you never really truly get a sense that it's just like no Voldemort is bad and I need to do the right thing. It's kind of just like, I've made a vow to this dead woman that I love, and I'm It for her. And I just don't understand why we see that as like some huge Act of Valor and not just like this, really desperate pathetic in cell guy, I don't know.

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33:43 I just keep buying that. So from everything I've heard, everything I've read, this is kind of like a slightly more tamed version of Noah's Mill. And Brad. It's been a little while since we've had no is Mill. I think we drank it when we did A League of Their Own and we had Bourbon and blondes on the podcast. I believe that was it. Yeah. And I'm a huge fan of it. I think everybody else was a little cooler on it than me, but this is our first return to will it in a while. How are you feeling about it? Dude. I this is this is the funk man. I'm ready. This, it's just Funk, the ha, man. All right, so then let's just dive in. I want to know like You knows this is there a funk on it or am I just crazy for me?

34:27 There's a little bit of a floral note that is dissonant with the rest of the nose because most of it. I got like Cherry caramel and cream. Just like a really nice pleasant nose but there's just some weird floral just kind of some like rose lavender. Flowery stuff going on that was unique and interesting and a little bit funky. So I'll give it a seven and a half on the nose. I think Rose is the perfect. Note to describe what I get on, will it products? Like it's dusty. There's some sawdust to it and I think like when I pick up on that dusting as and other things I'm immediately like oh, will it but then when I go back to a, will it product? It's not so much just that it's dusty. You're right.

35:12 It's this really interesting Rose kind of character that's on this in Spades, man. Like I really like this a lot. It doesn't smell incredibly sweet. I think the floral note really kind of dominates in the glass, I'm excited to see where it goes, but it doesn't have a ton of bourbon e character behind it. I'm going to give it an 8 out of 10 on the nose. When I get into the actual palette, I really enjoy this. That cherry comes through strong for me. There's a nice bit of vanilla that's that's kind of hinted in there with it and then there's like a little bit of a pepper like a black pepper note that I I'm really intrigued by the floral stuff kind of disappears. For me, it's not as there.

35:55 It's not there. Quite as much on the palate but it's a really nice fun, interesting palette I'll give it an 8 out of 10. I think I'm going to split from you here a little bit. Brad I don't really care for this as much as Noah's Mel and part of it is because it doesn't have a consistent sweetness throughout like it really kind of tips into almost some tannic like wine character for me on the palate. A lot of rice spice. Like in fact I think that the front of my palate would have mistaken this for Rye. And then, as I kind of kicked it to the back of my mouth, it has a nice kind of dark red wine character when you go to swallow and I'll get into this on finish, it turns, really bitter and the oak is pretty prominent, but not in a way that tastes like chard.

36:36 I don't know if you remember when we did Elijah. Craig toasted Barrel. We talked about the differences in flavor between a toasted barrel and a charred barrel. And this really does seem to have kind of like a, I don't know, like a really youthful kind of underseasoned. Wood flavor going on to it. Not a huge fan of this palette. I'm going to give it a six and a half. Yeah, the the finish. I'm right there with you. Bob, it gets very Oaky. It's a long finish and there's a little bit of spice going on to me, it's the least impressive part of the whiskey so far, but it's still decent. I'll give it a 7 out of 10. Yeah, man, the second sip I just took it definitely was a little bit more sweet on the tip of my tongue but it goes so tannic and So bitter on the end.

37:23 It's like it's like drinking really, really strong black tea and not a huge fan. The Finish is your right as long, it's mouth-watering and I know I said it was tannic so you wouldn't think it was mouth-watering but it's not, it's not one that burns too much is not one that just kind of saps, all the moisture out of your mouth. I just don't really care for this flavor, that's left behind. So I'm only going to give it a 5 and a half on Finish. Well, that brings us to our balance honestly, Bob for me, I I think this is a good mix of flavors that stay decently strong throughout. I'll give it a seven and a half on balance. It's pretty decent. Yeah, I'm gonna go 26 on balance. I know it's probably unfair for me to compare this so strongly to Noah's Mill. But man, I just think that's such a better product all the way through.

38:10 This one really tapered off from the nose, into the palette, into the finish. I'm going to give it a go to five and a half again, unbalanced. All right. Bob, you're at the liquor store. You're looking at all the Because you could buy and you see this for $48 state of Ohio. Yikes, that is a lot of money for this whiskey and I think I'll give it a 5 out of 10 on value. I think it's a solid whiskey. I just think it should be like a thirty five dollar bottle, 38 dollar bottle. Not $48 Noah's Mill is like eight dollars more and it is Barrel strength. I mean like I don't bottle it entails drink but it's like a cask strength. The whiskey and it's just so much more consistent and you look around at other things in this price point. I mean, wild turkey Rare Breed is like five dollars less than this.

39:01 If you're talking about something that's bottled at 100 Proof, that's this good. I mean, you can look at pretty much everything in the Rebel Yell line. I man I just I don't see it dude. I'm gonna give it that. Let's give it a five and a half. Again I think that's kind of like my consistent theme here today. So I'm coming out to a thirty one out of 50. Brad. What's your final score? I'm going to 30. Five out of 50. Wow. Okay so we're averaging out to a 33 or a 66 out of 100. I think that's a pretty good point for this. It's just below where we would normally recommend trying and or buying, I actually don't think you need to try this and I don't think you need to buy this. I really would recommend just going for Noah's Mill. It's better all around for me.

39:44 I think I'd recommend trying it, if it's something that's that, you know, there's like mixed sweetness, a little bit of spice. Iciness some. Okay. If it's, if that sounds like your profile like, yeah, sure, go for it. But I'm with you don't buy a bottle of it. Just try a poor at your local bar and it might be something that tickles your fancy Brad before we get back into Harry Potter. I just want to give a quick shout-out because do you know who sent us this? Sample of Rowan's Creek. It's our friends Bourbon and stuff. They send us that box of whiskey. Have they sent us stuff yet? They have not sent us stuff, they really need to get on that, but we have been sitting on this sample. For like two seasons now, we finally worked it into the into the episodes, so I'm sorry that it was a little bit more of a letdown than we expected. But we are eternally grateful to Bourbon and stuff. Yeah, if you want to go head on over to Instagram, check out Bourbon and stuff.

40:39 They are a phenomenal whiskey page and we're just incredibly thankful for them. They're great people. All right Brad it's time to get back into talking about the movie. So let's pivot back to Harry Potter, 8. Wait, what do you say pivot? All right, everybody that was Rowan's Creek, a whiskey that we are a little bit cool on and honestly Bob, it feels like it's paired with a movie that we're a little bit cool Lon. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see Pops like getting ready to give it a nine and a half. You see Bob as we have been the last few episodes. Here we are about to move into our newest segment one which I just found out today. I have had it confirmed by our favorite Canuck himself, Put your flash has confirmed for me.

41:30 That this is Canada's favorite segments? Well, that's that's great. Because America's favorite segment is Brad explains. So yeah, we can amicably split these two things. We're covering both sides of the Border man. So what's the segment two facts in a falsehood? There it is. Alright, let's get into two facts and a falsehood and see if Brad can stump me. Hit me with fact. Number one, bread fact. Number one Harry's, lightning bolt scar was applied. Bye. Makeup teams, approximately five thousand eight hundred times by the end of the film franchise. Daniel Radcliffe had the scar applied to thousand times. While the rest were applied to stunt doubles and stand-ins. Fax number two, all told Harry War 52, different outfits for the movies and many of the street clothes that he wore were from his own wardrobe.

42:23 Fax number three, Daniel Radcliffe went through, 160 pairs of glasses across all eight films, and the majority did not have lenses in them to avoid a reflection on the camera. These seem incredibly trivial. So this is really really hard because I mean it it is a trivia, it is a trivia segment. So I know the story about Daniel Radcliffe constantly breaking his glasses in his wand. I know he went through like 41's, I'll say, the glass is to who freaking knows this is hard because I mean it could just be any of these three things. I'm gonna say I was gonna say ones the falsehood because that seems like a high number.

43:07 Like 2000. Seems like a lot. But I'm gonna say twos the falsehood just because I don't know about Daniel Radcliffe's own wardrobe. So I'll say to the falsehood Bob you are 100%, correct. Number two, was the falsehood cool. I did it. Yeah, you did. I mention proud of myself? And I will say the, the facts about his scar application. And his how many glasses he went through. Were provided by Warner Bros studio of London. They did like a whole Twitter series talking about. It was like a trivia section where you could vote. For which will answer you thought was right. And so they did they did a whole thing. I'm like just behind the scenes movie trivia, that's cool. We don't have to worry about anything being fake this episode verified by the studio itself.

44:02 That's right. All right, Brad. So we have not talked to performances. We don't really have time to talk performances especially with a cast of this large, so why don't you just single out? Someone you thought was really good and someone that you thought underwhelmed in this movie. I think that Daniel Radcliffe is a little underwhelming. Yeah, yeah. And this one. Yeah II think we kind of got Peak Daniel Radcliffe in. Was it the third or the fourth one that we liked him in? Yeah, I can't remember. It was like, I was one of those movies that we were like, oh, that's too bad because the movie was not great, but he was really good. It was the fourth. It was the fourth. Well, yeah. Because that's the one where he like yeah. Definitely the fourth one.

44:44 Yeah, Daniel Radcliffe. Just here's the thing. I'd Can't imagine anyone elses Harry Potter. Sure why? I like, I genuinely like him as Harry Potter, but overall, I think his performances are up and down throughout the series, with a few more downbeats than up. Hmm. All right. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I will hand the award for underwhelming to Daniel Radcliffe, but that's only because I think one of the Fatal flaws with this movie is there is so much plot to get through that. Some characters, barely even show up in the movie. And it got to the point where, you know, Harry goes out into the woods to meet Voldemort and they've got Hagrid tied up, and I was like, oh, sure, it's haggar. Like I forgot I could then we leave things out about Hagrid and the only like, you're only introduction to him. Is that like they cut to a close-up and he's like, hey Ray, what are you doing here?

45:38 What I call Hagrid. So I just want you to record the entire episode and that as a grass. That's correct. Wait, so it's kind of hard for me to give out an award for someone who really impressed me because it's still just about Harry and Voldemort and a little bit of Hermione and that's about it. So, I'll mean, I'll just say Emma Watson still acts circles around the rest of the child actors. Like, she's the only convincing one. Even at the end of the movie, where they're trying to make them look like they're 37 years old but it ranges from like 20 to 50 based on the makeup. Yeah, like she's Pretending to be sad that her fake child is going away on the Hogwarts Express and it she sells it like she's really good.

46:24 Yeah 100%. So I mean, you know, I'll give her that and I'll give the underwhelming to Daniel Radcliffe. I will say, I think that every scene that they are in throughout all of the movies, the twins who play Fred and George are just spectacular. I absolutely love them. And even even the place where, you know, they are standing On the wall together, waiting for the impending Invasion. Like just that little moment, they have together. You can just feel their sincerity through the screen that they genuinely love one another. And when, when one of the two dies, I don't remember if it's Fred or George, who dies, which feels appropriate because the mom can't even tell them apart when, when they are mourning his loss.

47:12 That's probably the one part of the movie where I feel the crushing weight of what's happened, the Most so II love. Love the twins. They're, they're probably some of my favorite of all the secondary characters throughout the movies. All right. We're done with performances. Forget the rest of the cast there, all mediocre. So over it. Yeah. What about Ray finds? No, I'm not feeling him in this movie. You know what it is either. It's bringing Voldemort into the daylight Like just that he looks so badass. He does the like the, the weird little laugh at Neville and you know, like that's what he sounds like. What do you laughs? It's just it ruined the character. It's so bad, dude.

47:55 I will say the moment where he hugs Malfoy, like, when he comes across is like on the edge of being terribly cringe-worthy, but like it just fits the character so well so that's a Moment that I do like the awkwardness of like Tom Felton being like what the hell am I supposed to do? There were laughs in my theater at that moment really? Oh 100%. Yeah and it pulls you out of the movie I mean Bobby have you ever laughed at a movie at a point where nobody else in the theater was laughing? So frequently. Okay guys, I've done that in a few very key points of movies. And my wife is just like, elbowing me, like, shut up. That is kind of the nice thing about watching. Movies at home though, is like, every once in a while. I watch a movie that just is so, Preposterous that out loud. I'll just be like, like you like. Yeah, you can't do that in a real movie theater. Yeah.

48:55 Oh man. All right, so just quickly, I do want to say that. I think David Yates really turns things around in the second half of this movie. And for me, it started with this Montage of Harry kind of going back out into the battlefield and it's done in slow motion and the sound kind of Fades and There's a troll and you find that lavender Brown is died. And like from that moment on, I think the editing is nearly impeccable. The filmmaking is really, really well done. And the whole sequence, where Harry returns to Dumbledore's office and puts his memory into the whatever that thing is called like that upholds. The the pensive, the pensive is so that whole sequence of finding out Snape's backstory And the way it's edited together and the score, it is probably the best, like, the most cinematic thing to happen in all eight movies, like it's that or something the cuaron did in the third one, and I have to hand it to him like it is just so well done. And I feel like if there's any flaw to it, it's that the emotion of watching Alan Rickman find Lily dead is undercut by the fact that immediately they're like let's get back to the plot.

50:11 And then you get the voice-over of Dumbledore being like so. Yeah. Anyway Harry has to die and I'm like I want to dwell in this a little bit longer because I feel very moved by it and so I think again sometimes the necessities of the plot like are working against what Yates is trying to do as a filmmaker. So it's not always just that he's doing something poorly or that he wasn't thinking things through. I think sometimes it's just that they feel this need to go as fast as they can through. You know, the mechanisms of the plot to get to the end and nowhere. Was that more apparent for me than when Harry comes back from the dead and reveals himself and Dumbledore and him somehow get close enough to like hug and fall off a bridge and and Harry's triangle, did I say?

51:00 Dumbledore Voldemort? You know, the same thing basically. And here he's trying to say like hey I don't think you understand that the Elder one And is not allegiance to you, but that whole plot point is so fuzzy at that point. And it's going so quickly that he's just like, hey, what if, what if the wind isn't isn't a legion to you at all, man? Come on, Tom, let's finish this together and they dive off a bridge and I'm like, this is going way too fast. I don't understand what's going on. So, even though the second half of this film worked for me, there always seems to be something working against it being completely successful. I'm with you, dude. And I think by the end of the film, like, You have the Victory and you're like, yay, we won.

51:45 And then like the final scene with and I'm not talking about the, the the, you know, 20 years later scene, like, the final scene is Ron and Hermione and, and Harry. And they don't even really enjoy the victory. They just kind of talk about plot, some more and look at each other and then Harry snaps the wand and like even in That moment Ron is like, that's a powerful one. We can use it and you're like, that's literally like did you learn anything learned, nothing? Yeah, it's just the dumbest thing. And here's a place where they could have used the source material.

52:29 I know, you don't know this Bob because you've never read the book, but Harry uses the Elder Wand once and he uses it to fix his old wand, the one that he got. That represented him entering the Magical World come on and that's like the that would have been the perfect thing to do, you know that sucks. I'm glad I'm glad he just threw it off the bridge. No, get out of here, man. The like I said before the whole movies, the whole book series, The whole idea of Harry Potter is about him, finding a place where he belongs. And so at the end of the series, the object that really Marked him as joining the Wizard World was the one because the wand chooses the wizard and a wand wouldn't choose you. If you weren't a wizard, he fixes that and he gets rid of this object of power, which is what Voldemort was chasing, after power.

53:26 And all these things, it's a perfect way to thematically end the series and they just don't do it. So that is something that I was very disappointed with the ending. All right, so let's hear your final score because I think are going to come out. Lower than me on this. Six and a half. Hmm, I think this is because I want it to be so much better. I think this is the worst of the Harry Potter series. I think that I want to give this an 8 out of 10 because I really enjoyed it. Like the end of the movie. I was like yep. The first half was probably the worst thing in any of the eight movies and the second half worked so well that I was like it's an eight.

54:09 But I think objectively I'm going to give it a seven and a half like I When I enjoyed it more than it, probably is good. So I'm going to I'm going to talk to a seven and a half on this. That brings our average to a 7 out of 10, which would make this, I believe the lowest-ranked of all of the Harry Potter movies except for maybe Chamber of Secrets. And I think we weren't super high on order the Phoenix either. But I think it came out above a 7. Yeah, I think order the Phoenix. We probably around a seven and a half. Yeah. I think that this and Chamber of Secrets are We my lowest two of the of the eight films. Well, Brad, this has been quite the journey. We're done with Harry Potter.

54:50 We have finished the Original Trilogy of Star Wars. We got to find a new franchise to walk through. I think I might have given us that already. I think we need to do Mission Impossible. Dude, I'm with you, man. All right, but we want to know what you think. Where does Harry Potter eighth rank? Among the eight Potter films for you, you can find us on social media, on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. M at film whiskey or jump into the conversation on Discord. We are on there every single day talking to our fans. So come on in, you can find a link to our Discord at the end of every single, one of our show notes. Brad, this is it man. Season 5 has wrapped up, except for probably the most important episodes we do. Each season will be back next week with part 1 and part 2 of our bracket challenge to determine the winner of season 5.

55:41 But until then I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and we'll see you next time.