Hanksgiving VI: Catch Me If You Can (2002) / Johnnie Walker Black Label

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In 2002, director Steven
Spielberg and star Leonardo

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DiCaprio gave the world a cat
and mouse drama that never stops

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making you cry.
In 2025, we try a whiskey that

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begs the question, do you know
why the Scottish people always

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win?
It's because you can't keep your

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eyes off the kilts, Brad.
That is the truth man.

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That is a very eye-catching.
The film is Catch Me If You Can.

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The whiskey is Johnnie Walker
Black Label.

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And we'll review them both.
This is the Film and Whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad Gee and Bob.
I just have to ask you how the

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Hank are ya?
How the Brad, I fear that

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America doesn't understand what
time of year it is right now.

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It's it's.
Important that we enlighten

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them.
It's the most wonderful time of

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year, Brad.
I say that about multiple things

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per year on this show, but I
mean at this time because it is

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Hanks giving Brad Jean.
Yeah, what?

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I guess that that really brings
up an important question, Bob,

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what are you hankful for right
now?

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What's going on in your life
that you're just?

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What are what are we the most
hankful for?

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All right, so let's think about
this.

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We've done big.
We've done a beautiful day in

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the neighborhood.
We've done Captain Phillips.

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Is this the 4th one or is this?
Am I missing 1 somewhere?

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Talk about a sharp left turn.
It's like I'm the captain now.

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Big is like a fun 80s let's have
a 10 year old sleep with an

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adult, but it's OK because he's
an adult.

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Supposedly.
Day in the neighborhood is like,

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hey, let's like silently stare
into each other's soul and feel

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better about the world.
Captain Phillips, man, literally

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I had like a trauma response to.
Yeah, man, very, very intense

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film, Brad.
And Speaking of trauma, here we

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are once again on Hanks Giving
talking about Trauma Baby

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because we are looking at Steven
Spielberg 2002 film Catch Me If

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You Can.
Now folks, this is part of our

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season 10 lineup where we're
revisiting films from season #1

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that we haven't watched in, you
know, like 6 years.

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And we're pumping out, I think,
better episodes because of it.

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Let's be honest, I haven't
watched them in six years.

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There's a good chance Bob has
watched them one to five times

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since Sure so.
I actually don't know if I've

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seen this one since season 1, so
I was really excited to return

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to it for this season.
We've shuffled things around a

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little bit so that we could get
to catch me if you can and line

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it up with Hanks giving here,
but we're going to give you a a

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full episode's worth of hankful
content here today, Brad and

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Hankiest.
Where do I want to start today?

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Even before we dive into Brad
Explains, I want to talk a

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little bit about Catch Me If You
Can in the post Fableman's era

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of Steven Spielberg.
Now, Spielberg released his

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movie The Fableman's a few years
ago, which is a very

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autobiographical film.
It's essentially him telling his

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own story with just the thinnest
veneer of fiction, slapping

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someone else's name on it.
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And I know that you, you finally
got around to watching The

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Fableman's, Brad.
And it really is a skeleton key

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to understanding.
Wow, these themes that we found

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all through Spielberg are real
close to the bone for this guy.

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And watching Catch Me If You Can
now in light of the Fablemen's,

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I'm like, oh, OK, so there's a
reason that he took this project

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on 'cause he's, he's exorcising
some demons here, Brad, for

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sure.
Yeah, and it, it seems like he

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has this desire as a filmmaker
to be a person who can be

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anything.
And like as a filmmaker, you can

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create movies that capture all
these different stories and

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ideas and, and you can kind of
shapeshift and be a lot of

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different things.
And you can make something like

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War of the Worlds and Jurassic
Park and close Encounters of the

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Third Kind and, and, and The
Schindler's List.

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And you can, you can morph into
all these different areas.

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And yet there is always
something core that keeps you on

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the run, that keeps you making
up these new stories, creating

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these new identities for
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And it turns out that divorced
parents bad.

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Bad for the human psyche.
Divorced parents bad is is the

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core theme of this movie Brad
and of Spielberg.

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It's funny because it coincided
with I actually convinced my 8

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year old to finally sit down and
watch ET with me and he really

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really.
Liked it?

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Catch me if you can.
They watched scenes from Catch

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Me if You Can.
They didn't watch scenes

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involving flight attendants.
Or High Point Jennifer.

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Jennifer Garner.
Jennifer Garner, Yeah.

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So but they watched some of the
scenes and so this coincided

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with like 2 days before we
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My 8 year old watched ET with me
and so I got the full like

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panoply of of Steven Spielberg.
How did how did he feel about ET

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He?
Liked it a lot.

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He really liked it.
He was asking good questions.

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At one point he was like, how
old is Elliot and how old is

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Gertie?
And I was like basically the

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same ages as you and your
brother.

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And he was like, so Elliot's the
same age as me.

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And then I was like, yes, I got
him.

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I got him at the perfect time.
Dude, it was so good.

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I say all that to say, you know,
there is an element in Spielberg

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that, you know, he obviously
tugs at your heartstrings.

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But when you know more of his
own personal story, the sort of

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wish fulfillment aspect I think
hits even harder.

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That that almost all of his
protagonists are him.

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Or who he wished he could be.
Or how he wished he could rescue

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himself from this traumatic
event in his childhood, which

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essentially involved his mom
maybe, maybe not cheating on his

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dad, but definitely falling in
love with his dad's best friend,

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leaving his dad and him having
this immense sympathy for his

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dad who never stopped loving his
mom and and him feeling lost in

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the middle of that.
And you obviously get that.

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I think Catch Me If You Can is
probably the most direct

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reference to that situation in
Spielberg's entire catalog.

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And I have no idea with with
Abagnale's background if it

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played out exactly like that or
if Spielberg manipulated it some

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more closely mirror his story.
But I think it's important as we

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look at this movie not just as
its own thing, but as a lens

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into Spielberg, how he wanted
this story to play out and who

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how he sees himself in Frank
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Yeah, it's interesting.
In my research for Tupac's and a

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falsehood, I was just looking to
make sure that this wasn't one

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of the facts that I used.
One of the facts was that

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Abagnale's actual dad in real
life was like a super straight

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laced military, like no
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And he was actually like the
first victim of a lot of our

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protagonist schemes that he was
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as like a 13 year old.
So it seems like the portrayal

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of Frank Senior is a little bit
different and might fit

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Spielberg's vision a little more
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Well, this movie comes out,
what, 23 years ago now, Brad?

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I had to look at the year to
confirm that we are still in

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2025.
And you know, we've learned a

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lot about Frank Abbeckmail in
the year since.

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And a lot of this story is now
contested and maybe made-up,

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which is like, wow, shocker.
The guy who made his career on

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making stuff up maybe made this
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It's incredible to think that
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But I think with that
established, Brad, it is time

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for us to get into our first
segment of the day, which we

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call, Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plot with only 60 seconds
taken on the clock, so let's go

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ahead and do your take with this
little segment that we call Brad

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explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the film that he has

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just seen, often for the first
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This is at least the second time
Brad's seen Catch Me If You Can

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probably.
On the third or fourth, yeah,

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I've seen it maybe 2 times.
Other than for the podcast, it's

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a good.
Flick man, I'm gonna ask you

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this even before you we get into
the plot devices here, Brad, is

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this kind of movie The perfect
Thanksgiving movie?

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And by that I mean like it's not
all warm and fuzzy.

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There are warm fuzzy moments and
it's fun.

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But I think there's also like
just enough hints of sadness.

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We we kind of covered this last
year when we talked about the

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holdovers.
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The reason that movie hits you
so hard is that you get the the

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good with the harsh realities of
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And I kind of like, I think
these kind of movies are the

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ones that I want to come back to
a lot around the holidays.

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It's why, you know, It's a
Wonderful Life works so well.

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You see that his lowest in order
to get him at his highest,

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right?
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Dude, I as a young, I was
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out of high school when I read
The Count of Monte Cristo for

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the first time.
And the end of that book is a

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letter written from the count to
like his protege.

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And he basically says, look,
only people who have experienced

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the depths of suffering can
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experience the heights of joy.
And I like I think that that's

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like one of those core truths
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a lot of movies tell us that,
you know, people who are in the

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darkest of places can have those
higher experiences.

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Now, I will say this time
through this is kind of spoiling

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the end of the film is really
dark.

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Like you get you get a really
quick short view of his work at

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the office and how the work
piles up.

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And you're supposed to
understand that it's like his

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first week on the job and all
this work piles up and the music

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is really sad in the background.
And the final scene is him and

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hand ratty connecting and being
like, OK, well, maybe this is

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it.
And the music, like, lifts a

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little bit and then it ends and
you're like, so a crappy desk

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job where you occasionally get
pumped about, like, catching a

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bad guy is the hope for his
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And I kind of left the film
being like, I felt more uplifted

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by this film the last few times
I watched it.

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I don't feel good about this.
I think that's where the

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Spielberg E Nos of it comes into
play and we'll talk about that

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ending.
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explaining the plot of this
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If you have not seen Catch me if
you can, the 23 year old Steven

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Spielberg comedy, it's one of
his best.

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And I think that sometimes
people look at a movie like this

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and that it's kind of light
hearted and they they bury it

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under some of the more serious
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But just as a piece of
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does not get much better than
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It's a it's a pretty close to
perfect movie.

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I would highly suggest you go
watch Catch Me if you can and

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then rejoin us as Brad breaks it
down with full spoilers.

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Brad, you have one minute on the
clock and go.

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Catch Me If You Can is a film
that follows the exploits and

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ne'er do wells the the ne'er do
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That's what I was looking for.
Frank Abignale Junior.

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Is it Nale?
They just say Abagnale through

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the whole yeah.
I don't know his mom's French so

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I feel like it needs a.
Little I like Abagnale though.

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That's.
Very.

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That's a little more Italian.
It follows him as he is a young

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man who comes from a home that
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Near the start of the movie, his
parents get divorced after his

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mom cheats on his dad and he
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He becomes a fake airline pilot.
He becomes a fake doctor,

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supposedly a real lawyer, but
essentially a fake lawyer as

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well.
And it follows his FBI

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counterpart, Carl Hanrady, who
is chasing him across the

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country over it seems like a
three to five year period.

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And how he catches him overseas,
brings him back to the US, gets

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him in prison, and eventually
turns him into an FBI agent,

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helping to catch other common
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Boom, catch me if you can.
That's like maybe the boring.

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Most boring explanation of, and
really it's so much more fun

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than that.
In light of the fact that this

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is a Hanks giving episode, we
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explore.
I think let's get all of our

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regular episode stuff out of the
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then let's go ahead and return
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second-half.
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Because this is one of the first
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embrace A supporting role as a
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League of Their Own is probably
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But he only really dabbles in
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And so to have DiCaprio be far
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of this movie and him supporting
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career was a really big deal.
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worth us talking about the Hanks
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But that also means that we have
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here.
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on the Spielberg back story.
I think maybe to kind of, you

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know, Segway back into that a
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I want to talk about Frank's
story in the movie, especially

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tracing the arc of his
relationship with his dad,

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played by Christopher Walken.
Now, I'm pretty sure Walken gets

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nominated for an Academy Award
for this movie, and as he

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should.
Oh my gosh.

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Dude.
There's.

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A great story about how in the
scene in the restaurant after

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Frank has become a successful
pilot and he's first taking his

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dad out to a nice dinner and
walk in breaks down crying

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thinking about the wife who's
left him.

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They did like 15 takes of this
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Just let loose with it once.
It wasn't supposed to cry.

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And after they shot that scene,
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Like, let's move on.
Like, that's it.

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That's the one right there.
Spielberg's like, I made

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somebody cry.
So that's my goal in life.

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I did it somebody else.
Somebody else feels how I felt.

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And continue to feel crucially
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One of the things that I love

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about what they do and don't do
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they give you a little bit of
insight into what's going on in

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their lives, but not really
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It's kind of confusing.
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sense because it's it's told
through the eyes of like a 15

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year old Leonardo DiCaprio who
doesn't know a lot about his

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parents or his dad's business
dealings.

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And I think Rochester is where
they're from.

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And, and yet the IRS is chasing
him for some reason.

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We don't understand why if he's
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And we know on the side that
like, as he's getting more

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desperate to try to get the IRS
off of him, you know, he's going

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to the bank, he's asking for a
loan.

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And he's using these kind of
like snaky tendencies of he

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pulls out the, the necklace on
his hand for the, the bank

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teller.
And so you know that he has a

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little bit of like the greasy
palms, like he, he's slick with

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it.
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seems like he's trying to get
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And there's this recurring theme
of like, the government won't

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leave me alone.
I don't know what to do.

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And I think that leaving it at
that is kind of the best way

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that they could approach this
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if Frank comes by it naturally
or if it's just his kind of

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like, trauma response to the
chaos of his life.

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I mean it, it feels like as a
written character, it feels like

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the both and like he has watched
his dad be, if you want to put

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it nicely, charismatic little
bits, little bit sleazy, but

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mostly just kind of charismatic.
He's been watching that.

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And then he sees his mom betray
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And so he finds himself in this
place of, like, the best way to

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honor my dad is to be like him
in the real world.

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And he.
And it feels like that natural

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tendency of teenagers to take
things further than what an

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adult would do, that they don't
have a sense of their own

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mortality and of, like, caution.
So like, yeah, no, if I'm going

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to be a con man, like, I'm going
to go all out.

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And if I'm going to forge
checks, I'm going to buy a tub

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of 1000 Delta airline planes so
that I can pull the sticker off

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and and make these things.
Even as he was doing that, I was

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like, man, if he had a, if he
had one kid, he just, he

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wouldn't have time to do any of
that.

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Like when you're a teenager, you
have so much time to like hone

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in on one thing and get like
obsessive about it.

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Like, man, once you have kids,
like no wonder if people don't

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get in trouble once they start a
family, right?

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Maybe that came out just.
This thing we've ever said on

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this podcast, man, like.
Maybe maybe that thought popped

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in my head like because I just
had a third kid, but like I was

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literally sitting there going
like, man, I ain't got time to

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fake money the way this guy
does.

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Well, there's a couple things
with that sort of father son

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dynamic in this movie that are
right there on the surface and

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that for some reason I just
never, I never noticed or I

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didn't give them enough credit
to how they really drive the

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plot forward because they are,
it is kind of like it's both the

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inciting incident and the
driving element of many of these

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characters.
And so you've got DiCaprio to

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your point, he wants to be like
his dad 'cause he respects him

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and he, he hates that his dad's
getting screwed over by both the

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government and his mom.
And so this is his response.

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It's to be a bigger, better
version of what he sees his dad

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as in order to try to recapture
what they've lost.

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He he tells them that multiple
points like, I'm going to get it

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all back, dad.
And you know, you can call mom.

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We'll have this family again.
And me doing this illegal stuff

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is just a way for me to get back
to having my family together.

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At the same time, you've got
walk in who doesn't really care

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that his son's a con man at
this.

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He's just like, get back at the
government for me.

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Like, I want you to keep running
because if you keep running,

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they can't catch you.
And I got caught and I hate this

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for myself and I never want to
see that for my kid.

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And it's this weird, slightly
twisted and perverted, but like,

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genuine care, that's how he
cares for his child is like, I

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don't want to see happen to you
what happened to me.

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And the disconnect between the
two is that Frank wants somebody

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to chase him and to catch him
and to tell him to stop.

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And that's where the Hanks
character comes in.

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And I think that that dynamic,
it's again, it's not hidden.

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And there's like lines of
dialogue that say this

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explicitly.
And yet you get so caught up in

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the fun mechanics of the movie
that I think it's easy to

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forget, like where the heart of
the movie lies.

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Yeah, and I think I think that's
why I love this movie so much.

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There's a great neuro
neurobiologist named Doctor Kurt

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Thompson, and he has this line
in one of his books where he

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talks about every single human
being is born into the world

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looking for someone who is
looking for them.

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And I'm like that is this movie
like Frank is looking for

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someone to look at him like in a
in a powerful, meaningful

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knowledge.
I know you, you're my son kind

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of way.
And his dad is looking at his

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mom and looking at his job and
looking at the government and

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look and he's on the run.
And Frank imitates that to get

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his dad to look at him.
And yet at a certain point, I

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think the key point of the movie
is that lunch you were talking

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about, when Frank is trying to
say, dad, I'm doing all these

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things so that you'll look at
me, and his dad is looking at

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the things he's doing, not
looking at him.

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He's he's even saying like, and
he's even pretty going to him

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and saying like, well, that too.
But he's like, look at all these

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people around us staring at you.
And he's like, dad, No one's

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like, you know, his dad is so
focused on like, I have to build

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up this this invented narrative
of success instead of seeing the

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person that's right in front of
me, 100.

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Percent and that's and that's
the moment that everything

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switches and he starts moving
towards Carl Handratti as his

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father figure.
And I think that's like the one

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thing that makes me feel a
little icky is like Spielberg

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has this view and you see it in
other film.

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Some films he feels a little
more negative towards the

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government.
Others, he's more positive, but

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it's like, it almost feels like
the government becomes his

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father in the form of Carl
Handratti.

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And I'm like, oh, man, I'm too
conservative to like.

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That the libertarian in you is
like never.

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I'm like, no, I'm not a big fan
of that.

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But in terms of the that's,
that's an aside.

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I'm not actually contributing
the movie for that in terms of

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like an effective storytelling
mechanic.

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I think it is beautiful to
recognize that our parents

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aren't always what we need them
to be.

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And there can be mentors in our
life that take on the role of a

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father figure or a mother figure
that meet us where we're at and

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don't expect anything from us.
And like, Hanratty goes from a

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I'm laughing at this kid because
he doesn't have anyone to talk

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to on Christmas to like, I want
to protect this kid from prison

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in France.
And I want to protect him from,

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you know, however many years he
has in the US penitentiary

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system.
And I'm going to try to get him

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a job and care for him and help
him grow.

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And, and he gives him freedom at
the end to say, hey, like, we,

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like we've done the work.
We, we, we figured it all out.

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I'm not going to chase you
anymore, man.

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I just want you to be with me.
I want to do this work with you.

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If you don't want to.
It's your choice.

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And it's such an empowering end
to the film to say, Yep, look,

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Frank, you have power over your
life.

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You can do what you will with
it.

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And that's what makes the ending
so impactful, is to see him

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choose, even despite the
drudgery that we've seen build

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up, he chooses the proper path
of life, the moral path of life.

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And you're like, yeah, that's I
oh man, it's so good, especially

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because you've spent the whole
movie looking at the I guess it,

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it feels like a trope in certain
like cat and mouse movies.

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Like you see it in the Wolf of
Wall Street when the detective

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is riding the train home.
And then they cut to DiCaprio

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and you're like, I love those
scenes in cat and mouse movies

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where they highlight the robber,
the, the con man's like luxury.

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And you see it in this one.
Like Carl Hanratty is at a

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laundromat getting his laundry
ruined while like 1617 year old

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Leo is having sex with a hooker.
Yeah, you know, it's.

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The yin and the Yang of life,
Brad, am I right?

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But But I think you're hit.
You're really hitting on

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something here.
And that's why the ending of the

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film works for me so well.
Is that final line where, you

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know, Leo's been basically
bailed out of prison by the

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government, and he hates his job
and he hates that he's been

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tucked away in a corner and no
one's paying attention to him

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anymore.
And he's like, I'm going to run

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one more time.
And Hanks chases him down.

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And the reason Hanks is even
able to chase him down is

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because of two things.
One, if you believe his story

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about his family, he's lost his
family.

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He's already failed as well.
Like he has no one to call on

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Christmas either.
And two, he cares about DiCaprio

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and they've established through
really subtle camera movements

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and looks from Hanks.
He doesn't come out and say it,

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but there's a couple times where
like DiCaprio is like looking

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through the little thing at a
check and they just hold on on

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Hanks's chase.
And it's not curiosity.

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It's genuine, like, I'm proud of
this kid.

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And it's it's the feeling that
he's never had.

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And so when Hanks chases him
down in that airport terminal

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and just says, like, you know,
I'll, I'm not going to run after

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you this time.
And he says, how do you know

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I'll come back?
And he's like, look around, man,

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Nobody's chasing you.
And it it finally clicks for

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Leo.
The entire reason that I've been

442
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,720
doing this the whole movie is
that I just want a grown up to

443
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,840
chase after me.
And I finally have it in this

444
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,680
guy.
And if I stay, I'll have a good

445
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,840
thing.
And I think that like him

446
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,440
finding that father figure even
after his dad, his real dad has

447
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,040
died at the end of the movie is
what makes, yes, it's a drudgery

448
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,360
kind of, you know, 9 to 5 office
job.

449
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:10,760
But like from a, you know,
completing the metaphor kind of

450
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,000
standpoint, it's a perfect
ending to this movie.

451
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,760
I also, I don't know if I'm
right about this, I'm guessing,

452
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,960
but you can tell me if I'm
wrong.

453
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,000
I love the blocking of that
scene.

454
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,120
I don't even know if it's the
blocking I want to call the

455
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:25,560
stage set up.
But it's not that.

456
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,480
It's the fact that I think that
that is like the only scene in

457
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,600
the movie where they are in a
public place and there's nobody

458
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,280
else, right?
Like there's a few scenes where

459
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,280
he's alone in his apartment or
whatever, but like it is the

460
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,480
only time that Leo is in a
public place and there is not

461
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,720
another human being.
Insight it's just him and just

462
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,440
Hanks at which which it's that
choice as a director to say no,

463
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,520
this isn't a busy airport
anymore.

464
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:02,480
It's empty and that like gives
weight to Hanks line of look

465
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,120
around.
There's nobody chasing you and

466
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:08,520
it means well that there's
nobody to hide among right

467
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,880
behind.
Yeah, there's.

468
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,960
That's a whole point of a con
man is like, I can turn into

469
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,760
anybody and it's like there's
nobody around you to turn into

470
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,360
anymore.
You are alone here and I see you

471
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,200
and I'm not chasing you anymore.
I just want to.

472
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,200
Be with you.
Yeah, well, and, and Spielberg

473
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,560
couches these metaphors in such
fun scenes.

474
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,880
Like there's the, I'm going to
the college to recruit

475
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,520
stewardesses and I'm going to
have eight of them around me,

476
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,320
which is never a thing you need
on a flight, but they can, they

477
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,400
can form rank around me and
flank me as I go through the

478
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,520
airport and just kind of keep my
head down like this.

479
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:50,600
And there's it's the literal act
of him being able to elude

480
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,320
people because he's hiding
behind others.

481
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,520
But he's also like, it's, it's
his step into maturity in

482
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,320
adulthood because he's been
hiding behind the fact that a

483
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,680
horrible thing happened to him
in his childhood and his his

484
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,680
parents, you know, let him down.
And he has to accept the fact

485
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,960
that, like, you hit a point in
life where you can no longer

486
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,040
hide behind what happened to
you.

487
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,240
And you have to be like, naked
in front of somebody with them

488
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,120
seeing you to make the choice of
who you're going to be after

489
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:23,880
that.
Yeah.

490
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,400
I just think it's it's great
visual storytelling, Brad.

491
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,520
Yeah.
And there's also just that great

492
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,440
moment when he's talking to
Hanratty and he goes, you told

493
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,720
me that your daughter's 4.
You lied to me.

494
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,320
And Hanks is like, yeah, I lied
to you.

495
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,400
It's the story.
It's the lie that I tell myself.

496
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,600
Like, that's who I still see in
my daughter's, that she's 4.

497
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,640
She's not, I don't know, 14 or
15, whatever he says she is.

498
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,160
And it's that moment of, like,
connection to be like, yeah, I I

499
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,520
tell myself lies.
I hide behind false narratives

500
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,880
that I build up, and yet I still
continue to live my life in a

501
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,920
meaningful way.
Versus how his dad can only see

502
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,200
the false narrative, can only
see the story that he's built

503
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,480
up.
And he doesn't have a touch

504
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,880
point that he doesn't connect
with reality.

505
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,480
And the whole story is like, how
is Frank going to connect with

506
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,360
reality?
And he tries to do with Amy

507
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Adams.
He tries to build a life and he

508
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,600
calls Carl and he's like, Carl,
can we just give this up?

509
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,400
Like I'm I'm ready to be done.
I'm not childish anymore.

510
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,760
I just want to start a real
life.

511
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,280
And Carl's like, no man like
you, you broke the law.

512
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,000
Like you've stolen a million.
Dollars, bro, Yeah.

513
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,680
Oh man, I anytime they talk
about movie money in old movies

514
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,800
or movies set in old times, my
brain always goes to the

515
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,400
inflation calculator.
And I didn't do this time, but

516
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,880
I'm like, you know, 4 million in
1968, whatever it was like, you

517
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,440
know, that's probably like 8,
nine, $10 million in today's

518
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,520
money at.
Least yeah, at least dude.

519
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,600
So it's like, yeah, no, you
stole all this money, man.

520
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,760
You can't just have a normal
life now.

521
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,240
Yep, Brad, this episode has been
very inverted.

522
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,920
We did our our back half of the
episode, Philosophy Corner with

523
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,400
Brad and Bob in the first half.
I do think, I mean, obviously

524
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,600
the second-half we got to talk
about our boy Hanks, but we've

525
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,680
got the whole cast to talk about
still.

526
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,640
I do think this is the best
place, though.

527
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,200
Let's hit pause here.
Let's go try some Johnnie

528
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,080
Walker.
What do you say?

529
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:32,340
Let's get to it.
All right.

530
00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:36,260
Today we are checking out
Johnnie Walker Black Label.

531
00:30:36,860 --> 00:30:40,460
Now, Brown, you and I have been
scrambling to figure things out

532
00:30:40,460 --> 00:30:44,780
today, and it's because I was
under the assumption that we had

533
00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:48,900
reviewed both Johnnie Walker's
Black Label, which is true, and

534
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:52,260
the Red Label, which is their
cheapest, most entry level

535
00:30:52,260 --> 00:30:53,700
product.
Turning up and down that we've

536
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:56,100
done both and that we, you know,
we always said we preferred

537
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:59,500
Black Label, but it turns out
the reason we like Black Label

538
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:02,260
so much is we've never, ever
reviewed Johnny Walker Red,

539
00:31:02,260 --> 00:31:05,100
which is just nuts, dude.
Yeah, it's kind of like our

540
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:07,340
straw man.
We just, you know, always bash

541
00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:09,700
it, put it down.
We don't have, we don't actually

542
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:11,980
know what it is.
It's our Scotch view.

543
00:31:12,420 --> 00:31:16,140
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So I've already.

544
00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:18,820
Kind of given away this, but you
know, Johnny Walker has

545
00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:21,820
different colored labels.
The main ones you will see at

546
00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:24,900
the liquor store are the red
label, the black label, the

547
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:28,260
green label and then the blue.
Johnnie Walker Blue has long

548
00:31:28,260 --> 00:31:31,500
been touted as like, you know,
what most people think of as a

549
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:33,780
fancy Scotch.
It's very funny because Johnnie

550
00:31:33,780 --> 00:31:36,740
Walker has significantly higher
price points than the blue

551
00:31:36,740 --> 00:31:39,060
label.
And the secret that we've

552
00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:42,660
discovered over the years, Brad,
is that we actually prefer the

553
00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:48,820
50 to 60 ish Johnnie Walker
Green label to the $200 Johnnie

554
00:31:48,820 --> 00:31:50,860
Walker Blue.
I think it's by far the best

555
00:31:50,860 --> 00:31:54,180
value in the lineup.
But I have to say, upon

556
00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:58,020
returning to Johnnie Walker
Black, this bad boy might get a

557
00:31:58,020 --> 00:32:00,220
pretty good value score from Old
Bob as well.

558
00:32:00,940 --> 00:32:05,100
Yeah.
Not to not to totally dilute

559
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:08,180
what we're about to say, but
this is a $35 bottle whiskey

560
00:32:08,180 --> 00:32:10,220
Bob.
That's the.

561
00:32:10,220 --> 00:32:13,140
Best price for whiskey?
It is a very good price.

562
00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:18,660
I, I feel like when we started
there was like a just 30 to $40

563
00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:21,980
was like the price range for so
much whiskey.

564
00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:24,820
And now it feels like it's like
45 to $60.00.

565
00:32:25,540 --> 00:32:30,340
And so I I still, man oh man, I
love me some 30 something dollar

566
00:32:30,340 --> 00:32:33,460
whiskey.
Now the primary difference.

567
00:32:33,460 --> 00:32:36,660
Between Johnnie Walker Red and
Black, they're both bottled at

568
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:39,780
40% ABV.
They're both blended Scotch

569
00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:44,380
whiskies, meaning that they come
from a variety of distilleries

570
00:32:44,620 --> 00:32:47,900
and I believe that they're not
even labeled as blended malt

571
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:51,140
whiskey, so they could be from a
variety of grains as well.

572
00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:55,060
Primarily the difference is
Johnnie Walker Red is not age

573
00:32:55,060 --> 00:32:57,780
stated and so it's definitely a
little bit younger.

574
00:32:57,940 --> 00:33:00,820
It's intended for mixing.
Johnnie Walker Black actually

575
00:33:00,820 --> 00:33:04,620
carries a 12 year age statement.
So we're drinking a 12 year

576
00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:07,700
whiskey here today, Brad, I'm
very excited to dive in.

577
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:12,100
I think our baseline for good
blended Scotch has always been

578
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:15,660
Monkey Shoulder.
Now we've also tried this season

579
00:33:15,860 --> 00:33:18,940
Shivas Regal, which I think is
still a damn good blended Scotch

580
00:33:18,940 --> 00:33:21,420
as well.
So, you know, we have a couple

581
00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:24,820
bars that we're measuring
against here as we dive in to

582
00:33:24,820 --> 00:33:27,180
Johnnie Walker Black.
Brad, I will let you take it

583
00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:28,980
away.
What are you picking up on the

584
00:33:28,980 --> 00:33:32,780
nose of this whiskey?
Yeah, the the Johnnie Walker.

585
00:33:32,780 --> 00:33:37,060
Black has a really beautiful
classic.

586
00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:41,940
What you would expect from a
blended Scotch nose.

587
00:33:41,980 --> 00:33:45,260
There is honey, it gets a little
bit on the fruity side.

588
00:33:45,260 --> 00:33:49,260
There's some Peach, some like
darker plum type of notes going

589
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:52,140
on.
It gets a little bit nutty for

590
00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:55,340
me the longer I sit with it,
almost like an almond.

591
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:59,140
It's a really nice, pleasant
nose Bob.

592
00:33:59,140 --> 00:34:00,660
I'm going to give it an 8 out of
10.

593
00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:03,820
Yeah, man, I think I'm in the
same spot as you.

594
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:05,980
I think I'm going to give this a
7.5.

595
00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:08,300
It's kind of exactly what you're
looking for.

596
00:34:08,540 --> 00:34:12,219
Nothing's really blowing me away
about it, but it's like, this is

597
00:34:12,219 --> 00:34:16,500
the baseline when I'm drinking
blended Scotch, you know, from

598
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:18,580
Cutty Sark up to Monkey
Shoulder.

599
00:34:18,860 --> 00:34:20,340
These are the notes I expect to
get.

600
00:34:20,420 --> 00:34:24,500
Now, this is a a much more
mellow, not harsh kind of

601
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:27,260
rendering of that, which I, I
will give some credit to.

602
00:34:27,620 --> 00:34:29,940
But you know, nothing's knocking
my socks off here.

603
00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:33,620
So I'm in a 7.5.
Yeah, I think the palate.

604
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:36,739
Runs the same gambit the the
honey is there.

605
00:34:36,739 --> 00:34:39,020
It has such a pleasant barley
taste.

606
00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:41,820
Like there's definitely some
scotches that like it's like

607
00:34:41,820 --> 00:34:46,580
that young barley that this is
just a really nice cereal,

608
00:34:46,580 --> 00:34:50,100
grainy kind of flavor.
The plum sticks around for me.

609
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:54,260
The nuttiness almost turns into
like a caramelized toffee kind

610
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:57,060
of vibe.
I really like this a lot.

611
00:34:57,220 --> 00:34:59,140
I'm going to come down a tiny
bit from the nose.

612
00:34:59,140 --> 00:35:02,540
This is just like standard
baseline, really good Scotch.

613
00:35:02,860 --> 00:35:07,420
I'll give it a 7 1/2 out of 10.
I don't know if I've ever asked

614
00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:09,940
you to do this.
Before, but go ahead and give

615
00:35:09,940 --> 00:35:14,140
your finish score too, because I
think I need a second sip before

616
00:35:14,140 --> 00:35:16,980
I can say what I think of it.
I'm not I'm I'm confused about

617
00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:20,540
this one right now.
OK for me the the.

618
00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:26,220
Finish the the toffee sticks
around and the plum sticks

619
00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:28,220
around.
Those are like the main notes

620
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:32,500
that sit in this really nice
effervescent, sweet kind of

621
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:35,220
category.
There's not really any sourness

622
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:38,380
that sits on my palate.
The the barley just kind of

623
00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:41,500
dissipates nicely there.
There's not too much graininess.

624
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:44,660
I'm going to come back up from
that 7 1/2 on the palate and

625
00:35:44,660 --> 00:35:46,260
give it an 8 out of 10 on the
finish.

626
00:35:48,460 --> 00:35:49,860
I think I'm a little bit lower
on this.

627
00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:52,340
Whiskey.
Than you are Brad, Bob.

628
00:35:53,140 --> 00:35:56,740
Yeah.
Any fruit that is there.

629
00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:58,620
On the palate is just kind of
hinted at.

630
00:35:58,620 --> 00:36:02,500
It's like the lacroix of of
whiskeys, like you said, plum

631
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:05,300
and I kept looking for it and
I'm just not finding it either

632
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:09,420
like a really bright kind of
tart fresh plum or like a stewed

633
00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:11,780
kind of pruney thing.
I'm just not finding it there.

634
00:36:12,020 --> 00:36:15,140
I could maybe get down with like
some some kind of like fruit

635
00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:16,660
skins.
It's got a little bit of

636
00:36:16,660 --> 00:36:19,980
earthiness to it, sure, but
primarily for me, it's like

637
00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:22,180
buttery.
There's definitely butterscotch

638
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:23,500
on here.
You got toffee.

639
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:26,780
I'm in that same category, but
it tips a little more like

640
00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:29,940
saline heavy for me.
So it's like salted caramel,

641
00:36:29,940 --> 00:36:31,780
salted butterscotch kind of a
thing.

642
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:35,100
And then quite a bit of smoke,
quite a bit of earthiness on it.

643
00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:37,900
I like it.
I I wish I had a little more

644
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:41,100
fruit character to go with it.
Kind of like that melon note

645
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:43,900
that we like to get on blended
scotches sometimes.

646
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:48,500
Yeah, I'm going to be at a 6.5
on the pallet and I think I'll

647
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:51,060
be around this.
Well, I'll give it a 7 on the

648
00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:54,540
finish because it's a really
long lasting super buttery

649
00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:57,140
finish.
I just wish it was a little more

650
00:36:57,140 --> 00:36:58,900
complex than what I'm actually
getting here.

651
00:36:59,540 --> 00:37:03,380
Yeah, I dude, I makes.
Me a little sad love.

652
00:37:03,380 --> 00:37:07,220
I love when we agree on Scotch
Bob we're we're not terribly far

653
00:37:07,220 --> 00:37:09,780
off from each other.
I think balance wise this is

654
00:37:09,780 --> 00:37:11,340
like a really well balanced
whiskey.

655
00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:14,820
There's nothing that puts it
above over the top.

656
00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:17,460
I'll give it a 7 1/2 out of 10
on balance.

657
00:37:18,260 --> 00:37:21,820
Yeah, I think I'll give it a. 7,
This is like a pretty standard

658
00:37:22,220 --> 00:37:24,620
above average blended Scotch
whiskey.

659
00:37:24,620 --> 00:37:26,620
It's not approaching Monkey
Shoulder for me.

660
00:37:26,820 --> 00:37:30,420
And as I recall from that Shivis
a few weeks ago, I don't think I

661
00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:34,100
would put this above Shivis
personally for myself either.

662
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:38,340
So not bad, but definitely not
like in the category of best

663
00:37:38,340 --> 00:37:40,980
value out there.
And I think that takes us to our

664
00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:44,060
our value category where we're
at $35.00.

665
00:37:44,340 --> 00:37:47,380
So it's just a touch below where
Monkey Shoulder, I think is

666
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:50,820
currently sitting in the state
of Ohio and right around where

667
00:37:50,820 --> 00:37:53,540
Shivis is.
And I think given my preference

668
00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:57,220
for both of those other two,
it's priced definitely fairly.

669
00:37:58,660 --> 00:38:01,460
And it's just comes down to like
what your preferred flavor is on

670
00:38:01,460 --> 00:38:03,500
a blended Scotch.
If you like a little bit more of

671
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:06,140
those fruity notes to come
through, I would say go to

672
00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:08,820
Monkey Shoulder, go to Shivas
before you come to Johnny

673
00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:11,420
Walker.
I don't think it's a bad value.

674
00:38:11,460 --> 00:38:14,220
I would not personally pick it
over those other two.

675
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:18,940
So I'm going to be at a 7.5 out
of 10, Brad Yeah, I I'm

676
00:38:19,060 --> 00:38:20,860
actually.
With you on value, I think this

677
00:38:20,860 --> 00:38:25,180
is a standard value for a
blended Scotch in this range. 7

678
00:38:25,180 --> 00:38:27,740
1/2 out of 10 is my score.
I think I would lean towards

679
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:30,100
Monkey Shoulder over this.
I think I'd take this over the

680
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:33,100
show this.
It's not like crazy better.

681
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:36,020
It just kind of like sits in my
wheelhouse a little more

682
00:38:36,020 --> 00:38:38,540
closely.
Yeah, it does.

683
00:38:39,580 --> 00:38:43,580
All right, I'm coming.
Out to a 30. 5.5 out of 50 on

684
00:38:43,580 --> 00:38:44,900
this one Brad, where you
sitting?

685
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:49,700
38.5.
Oh, OK, so that brings.

686
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:55,260
Us to an average of a 37 out of
50 or a 74 out of 100.

687
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:57,980
So we're definitely above the
mark where we would start

688
00:38:57,980 --> 00:39:00,300
recommending.
That's typically at a 35 out of

689
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:03,300
50 average, but it's kind of a
soft recommend for me.

690
00:39:03,340 --> 00:39:06,180
There's nothing bad here.
I don't feel like anyone is

691
00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:08,420
overcharging for what you're
getting.

692
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:11,900
I do think there are better
options within the world of

693
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:14,460
blended Scotch.
And even at this particular

694
00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:16,620
price point, you can find a
couple better options.

695
00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:19,020
Yeah, I, I think that's.
Fair.

696
00:39:19,020 --> 00:39:21,900
I I think the most important
question, Bob, that you need to

697
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:25,780
ask yourself is, is this, are
you feeling hankful?

698
00:39:28,060 --> 00:39:31,140
Oh baby, am I.
Feeling hankful, Brad.

699
00:39:31,140 --> 00:39:34,420
All day I have just been wanting
to jump on here and do the

700
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:37,420
French accent of the guys at the
beginning of the movie where

701
00:39:37,420 --> 00:39:42,540
they're trying to pronounce
Hanratty al Alratty Alratty.

702
00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:45,540
Hanratty.
All right, man.

703
00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:48,220
Let's get back into Catch me.
If you can, what do you say?

704
00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:56,460
Let's get to it, man.
All right, everybody, that was

705
00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:59,660
Johnnie.
Walker Black Label A a whiskey

706
00:39:59,660 --> 00:40:02,900
that was a little bit divisive
for us, but overall we're, we're

707
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,220
in a good spot.
I, I think we're going to come

708
00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:08,940
out a little bit higher on catch
me if you can than we did with

709
00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:12,180
Johnnie Walker Black Label.
Brad, can I make a?

710
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:17,100
Shameless pitch to anyone
listening out there we need to

711
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:18,340
get.
Wild Turkey.

712
00:40:19,220 --> 00:40:21,180
To sponsor the Hanks giving.
Episodes.

713
00:40:21,860 --> 00:40:25,380
So that we can drink Wild Turkey
on Hanks give.

714
00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:26,940
What are we doing, dude?
Yeah.

715
00:40:27,220 --> 00:40:28,660
Rare breed every year.
Listen.

716
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:31,820
We freaking love rare.
Breed, we want to try your

717
00:40:31,820 --> 00:40:34,140
stuff.
You don't even have to sponsor

718
00:40:34,140 --> 00:40:35,460
us.
I would like for you to sponsor

719
00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:39,380
us, but send us product and then
we will drink Turkey on Hanks

720
00:40:39,380 --> 00:40:42,420
giving.
Yeah, it's it is a match.

721
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:46,980
Made in Turkey heaven.
All right, Brad, it's time for

722
00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:48,740
us to get.
Into our game for the day, which

723
00:40:48,740 --> 00:40:53,620
we call 2 facts and a falsehood.
Brad is going to try.

724
00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:58,660
To stump you, Ball 2 All right
and what is wrong?

725
00:41:00,140 --> 00:41:03,100
2 Facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and a falsehood.

726
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:05,420
Is the part of the.
Show where Brad presents me with

727
00:41:05,420 --> 00:41:09,220
three items as fact about the
making of this movie, one of

728
00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:14,020
which is a complete lie.
Now Brad, I I absolutely love it

729
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:19,100
when you begin a sentence with
in my research for two facts and

730
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:21,620
a falsehood.
Because it sounds like you are

731
00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:25,060
like Gandalf, like with your
pipe, like pouring over old

732
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:27,420
books in the Library of
Ministerith.

733
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:31,300
Like it came to me.
Yeah, you, you.

734
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:34,780
Just go to the IMDb trivia page
and take everything internal.

735
00:41:35,180 --> 00:41:38,220
Yeah, my.
Internal monologue voice turns

736
00:41:38,220 --> 00:41:39,740
into Ian McKellen.
It's great.

737
00:41:41,780 --> 00:41:43,420
All right man.
So you have pulled 3.

738
00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:46,260
Pieces of information off of the
IMDb trivia page.

739
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:50,220
We cannot vouch for their actual
truthfulness, No, but one of

740
00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:53,420
them is made-up by Brad and two
of them are from IMDb.

741
00:41:53,740 --> 00:41:58,140
So with that said, let's get
into two facts and a falsehood.

742
00:41:58,580 --> 00:42:00,060
We should change it from 2
facts.

743
00:42:00,060 --> 00:42:05,540
And a falsehood to two facts.
Asterisk and a falsehood. 2

744
00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:08,420
facts and a falsehood.
The only thing for certain?

745
00:42:08,420 --> 00:42:12,180
In that statement is that the
falsehood is false for sure we

746
00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:13,380
we don't know about.
The facts.

747
00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:15,580
I just thought it was an
important.

748
00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:19,820
Clarification in a movie about a
con man like, you know, this

749
00:42:19,820 --> 00:42:21,620
might all be made-up.
Who knows?

750
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:24,820
It's like Whose line is it
anyways?

751
00:42:25,260 --> 00:42:31,900
Where the points are made-up and
all right fact #1 Composer John

752
00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:35,660
Williams created the main theme
to Catch Me If You Can before

753
00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:37,460
seeing a single frame of
footage.

754
00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:40,420
Basing it entirely on
Spielberg's description of the

755
00:42:40,420 --> 00:42:45,460
film as a quote jazz riff about
deception, Williams later said

756
00:42:45,460 --> 00:42:49,380
it was one of the rare times
that one of his first drafts

757
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:53,860
survived unchanged fact number.
2 Steven Spielberg was.

758
00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:58,020
Initially reluctant to approach
Tom Hanks about taking the part

759
00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:06,740
of Carl Hanratty, Hanratty
assuming that he wouldn't be if

760
00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:09,900
it had been directed by Danny,
that that's how it would have

761
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:14,340
been pronounced the whole movie.
Assuming that he wouldn't be

762
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:16,580
interested in playing a
supporting part at this stage of

763
00:43:16,580 --> 00:43:19,860
his career, Hanks put him
straight by saying that a good

764
00:43:19,860 --> 00:43:22,540
part was a good part, no matter
the size.

765
00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:31,940
Accurate.
What an episode, Bob.

766
00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:37,180
Fact #3 The blackboard that Carl
Hanrady is writing on toward the

767
00:43:37,180 --> 00:43:40,980
end of the movie contains a
small note at the bottom that

768
00:43:40,980 --> 00:43:45,700
says Steven and Spiel, Steven
and Tom's fourth project.

769
00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:50,700
This refers to Steven Spielberg
and Tom Hanks having previously

770
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:54,860
collaborated 3 times on Band of
Brothers in 2001, Saving Private

771
00:43:54,860 --> 00:43:59,620
Ryan in 98, and Joe Versus the
Volcano in 1990, our birth year.

772
00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:05,180
Interesting.
OK, I don't know if number one

773
00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:08,140
is true or false, but I do think
that I wanted to talk about John

774
00:44:08,140 --> 00:44:12,260
Williams anyway.
And this this small kind of mini

775
00:44:12,260 --> 00:44:15,980
period of John Williams is one
of my favorites because, you

776
00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:18,940
know, I love John Williams as
much as the next guy.

777
00:44:19,380 --> 00:44:21,980
There are times where you hear a
piece of film music and you're

778
00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:23,380
like, oh, that's, that's John
Williams.

779
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:27,340
Like when you hear the Olympic
theme song every, every time the

780
00:44:27,340 --> 00:44:29,260
Olympics are on, it's like,
that's John Williams, you know?

781
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:32,620
Oh, dude, it's it's good.
But it's John Williams.

782
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:36,700
And and when he did this movie
and then The Terminal for

783
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:40,500
Spielberg in 2004, they're so
different than what you

784
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:41,860
typically get.
There's like a lot more

785
00:44:41,860 --> 00:44:45,180
clarinet, a lot more like
Eastern European influence, and

786
00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:46,780
then you've got the jazz
influence.

787
00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:49,540
I just freaking love what he did
in this movie, man.

788
00:44:50,140 --> 00:44:51,780
Yeah.
Oh, The Terminal was our other

789
00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:53,620
Thanksgiving movie.
There you go.

790
00:44:53,660 --> 00:44:56,740
Yeah, we did The Terminal.
Which is a great that that feels

791
00:44:56,740 --> 00:45:00,420
like a that's a Thanksgiving
movie through and through.

792
00:45:00,420 --> 00:45:02,220
I was very.
Hankful that we did that one

793
00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:07,020
number. 2 is an interesting one.
I know that this part was

794
00:45:07,020 --> 00:45:11,580
originally kind of cast with
James Gandolfini and that

795
00:45:11,580 --> 00:45:14,740
Gandolfini had to drop out
because he had conflicts with

796
00:45:14,740 --> 00:45:17,420
The Sopranos filming.
It's next season and that's when

797
00:45:17,420 --> 00:45:20,020
Hank stepped in.
I don't know if Hank said that

798
00:45:20,020 --> 00:45:22,780
to Spielberg or not.
It it doesn't contradict the the

799
00:45:22,780 --> 00:45:26,100
fact that Gandolfini was there
doesn't matter the size bond it

800
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:27,900
leaves me with.
Number it leaves me.

801
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:32,540
With #3 I don't really know
Spielberg to do that sort of

802
00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:34,580
Easter eggy thing.
And if he does, it's really

803
00:45:34,580 --> 00:45:38,860
obvious, like in ET when he sees
Yoda on the street and, like,

804
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:43,460
says, home, home, like it's,
yeah, a clear merchandising

805
00:45:43,460 --> 00:45:47,460
opportunity for Spielberg.
So I'm going to say #3 is the

806
00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:50,100
falsehood.
And I have nothing else to base

807
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:52,820
that on.
Brad, I think that this might be

808
00:45:52,820 --> 00:45:54,860
1.
Of my best collection, not just

809
00:45:54,860 --> 00:45:59,220
of what I wrote, but like of the
two, what you called from the

810
00:45:59,220 --> 00:46:01,420
Internet.
That I called from IMDb.

811
00:46:01,580 --> 00:46:04,380
You are.
Incorrect, Bob fact.

812
00:46:04,980 --> 00:46:09,020
Fact number one was the.
Falsehood about John Williams.

813
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:10,860
Nice.
Yeah, I should have.

814
00:46:10,860 --> 00:46:13,260
Known better than to think that
John Williams would ever let a

815
00:46:13,260 --> 00:46:15,340
first draft get out, you know,
Right.

816
00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:17,580
Yeah.
He, he's, he's.

817
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:20,900
Pretty meticulous about his
work, yeah.

818
00:46:21,740 --> 00:46:23,820
Let's see, we talked about
Williams a little bit.

819
00:46:23,860 --> 00:46:25,580
I'm just trying to think of
things before we get into the

820
00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:27,620
cast.
I love the opening title

821
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:30,540
sequence in that sort of like
Saul Bass style.

822
00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:32,860
It's so good, man.
It's incredible.

823
00:46:32,860 --> 00:46:36,340
I.
Our friend Patrick Williams did

824
00:46:36,340 --> 00:46:41,820
a episode years ago about like a
good opening credits scene and

825
00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:46,260
how they used to be a key
element to movies and the, the

826
00:46:46,260 --> 00:46:49,340
opening theme would play for
like 4 minutes while the credits

827
00:46:49,340 --> 00:46:52,740
rolled and it got you into the,
the vibe of the movie.

828
00:46:52,740 --> 00:46:57,620
I I think we need to bring back
like awesome, crisp, clean

829
00:46:58,060 --> 00:47:02,140
credits, opening credits scenes
Well and it makes so much sense

830
00:47:02,140 --> 00:47:04,300
because like.
It's really established in the

831
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:08,140
context of the movie that this
kid loves James Bond and James

832
00:47:08,140 --> 00:47:10,860
Bond is just known for having
those opening credits scenes.

833
00:47:10,860 --> 00:47:13,300
So it makes sense that they
would stick one on this movie.

834
00:47:14,260 --> 00:47:17,660
Brad, I do want to talk really
quickly about just the, the

835
00:47:17,660 --> 00:47:22,300
Spielberg camera movements in
this movie because it's, it's

836
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:24,620
among his best.
His blocking is unreal.

837
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:29,060
Like there are there, there's a
scene where he's got like 5 FBI

838
00:47:29,060 --> 00:47:32,780
agents lined up in a room and I,
I don't know if it's hand ratty

839
00:47:32,780 --> 00:47:35,580
or somebody is like in the
foreground on the right.

840
00:47:35,580 --> 00:47:38,100
And then he's got everybody else
kind of like diagonally going

841
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:41,580
back to the left.
And it doesn't look artificial.

842
00:47:41,820 --> 00:47:44,580
He just, like, as a master at
blocking people.

843
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:49,340
But there's one little shot that
just absolutely blew my mind.

844
00:47:50,260 --> 00:47:54,460
And it's when they're outside of
the Miami airport, and Amy Adams

845
00:47:54,460 --> 00:47:58,460
has been waiting on him.
And they find out that there's a

846
00:47:58,460 --> 00:48:00,420
guy in the car and we need to go
arrest him.

847
00:48:00,740 --> 00:48:04,820
And it starts like facing the
airport and it kind of rolls

848
00:48:04,820 --> 00:48:09,620
around the back of the car and,
and pulls, continues to Dolly

849
00:48:09,620 --> 00:48:13,020
back and like sink towards the
ground so that as they open the

850
00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:14,940
door, you can't see the driver
inside.

851
00:48:15,260 --> 00:48:17,020
Yeah.
And it's just like.

852
00:48:17,020 --> 00:48:18,380
First of all, it's a simple
shot.

853
00:48:18,380 --> 00:48:22,220
It's following action, but it's
like at least four shots in one.

854
00:48:23,020 --> 00:48:25,780
And I think that what it did for
me is it made me realize, like,

855
00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:29,820
Spielberg built this whole set
or like, you know, put a facade

856
00:48:29,820 --> 00:48:32,140
on this whole set to look like
it's the 1960s.

857
00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:37,700
And he does not care about like
showing it off it it didn't seem

858
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:39,420
fake.
It was just like it felt very

859
00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:41,580
lived in.
But you're seeing all these old

860
00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:45,900
cars and all these old costumes
and the ability.

861
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:48,740
To use a shot like.
That to show off your set and to

862
00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:52,940
communicate like a small action
it's just like who does it

863
00:48:52,940 --> 00:48:57,180
better than this guy man it's
it's unreal even for me the.

864
00:48:57,260 --> 00:49:02,140
The shot that stuck out to me is
when Leo is leaving his mom's

865
00:49:02,140 --> 00:49:06,180
house and there's the new the
replacement for him, the new

866
00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:09,820
daughter that like isn't
terrified by a random man who

867
00:49:09,820 --> 00:49:12,740
looks homeless staring in their
window, tapping on the window.

868
00:49:13,460 --> 00:49:16,660
And as he walks to hand ready.
First off, you get the the line

869
00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:19,460
like, like, put me in the car,
Carl put me in the car.

870
00:49:19,460 --> 00:49:23,620
Oh, just breaks your heart.
But then once he's in the car,

871
00:49:24,180 --> 00:49:28,740
it switches focus from like
what's going on in front to Leo

872
00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:31,100
in the rearview mirror mirror.
Oh.

873
00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:33,620
Dude.
What a great.

874
00:49:33,620 --> 00:49:40,140
Freaking shot and he just.
Looks like he's 47 and he's like

875
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:42,620
a 18 year old at this point. 19
year old.

876
00:49:43,060 --> 00:49:46,820
Oh my gosh, dude, the the camera
work is just so good.

877
00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:51,900
Like his life is disappearing
from behind him and he has this

878
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:55,780
bleak future ahead of him.
It's it's so good.

879
00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:59,020
I think that's a.
Great segue into talking about.

880
00:49:59,020 --> 00:50:03,180
Leo because I've always said
that the aviator is still my

881
00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:06,820
favorite Leo performance and I
think that I might be wrong and

882
00:50:06,820 --> 00:50:11,260
it might be this now because.
Watching him.

883
00:50:11,260 --> 00:50:14,700
Play.
The 15 year old in the front row

884
00:50:14,740 --> 00:50:17,740
at at his dad accepting the
award at the beginning of the

885
00:50:17,740 --> 00:50:19,940
movie.
He does this great thing where

886
00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:22,220
with his body language where
he's like a little bit hunched

887
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:25,780
forward and making himself look
like small like.

888
00:50:26,180 --> 00:50:28,500
Yeah.
And he's like, yeah, like

889
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:29,460
chewing his.
Fingernails.

890
00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:32,700
And when he claps, he claps
extra enthusiastically.

891
00:50:33,260 --> 00:50:37,780
And it communicates child
likeness in a way that doesn't

892
00:50:37,780 --> 00:50:44,020
seem like, and I don't know what
the word is, like dumb.

893
00:50:44,180 --> 00:50:46,660
It's just like he's not playing
a dumb kid.

894
00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:51,540
He's embodying like naivete.
And to go from that.

895
00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:54,020
To where he's at it.
The end of the movie when he's

896
00:50:54,020 --> 00:50:57,900
like in prison and hacking up
along and then finding out about

897
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:02,500
his dad dying on the plane and
you know, like kicking stuff,

898
00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:06,740
dude, you know, he only ages by
like what, four or five years in

899
00:51:06,740 --> 00:51:10,220
the course of the movie, but in,
in the life that he's being

900
00:51:10,220 --> 00:51:12,300
portrayed as, he's aging like 30
years.

901
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:16,700
And DiCaprio, I, I don't even
remember how old he is when he

902
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:20,780
makes this movie.
He's got to be like 27 ish 28

903
00:51:22,460 --> 00:51:23,780
and.
So the whole course of the

904
00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:25,540
movie, he's.
Actually playing younger than he

905
00:51:25,540 --> 00:51:29,900
is in real life, and yet he
seems to be inhabiting like this

906
00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:34,220
old, wise, haggard man by the
end of the movie.

907
00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:38,900
It's just unbelievable, man.
Yeah, I mean honestly for me.

908
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:42,460
It reminded me of like what's
eating Gilbert Grape, moving all

909
00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:45,740
the way to like the broken
elements of his character in The

910
00:51:45,740 --> 00:51:48,780
Aviator.
And it's like it is a full

911
00:51:48,780 --> 00:51:54,540
journey from childishness to the
toll that being a con man has

912
00:51:54,540 --> 00:51:57,300
taken on him.
And Leo nails it.

913
00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:01,620
I I do think one of my
complaints about the movie is

914
00:52:01,620 --> 00:52:06,860
that like Leo feels he does a.
Great job with it.

915
00:52:07,420 --> 00:52:10,980
But there are moments where he
asks for milk that you're like,

916
00:52:11,940 --> 00:52:13,460
to me, it just.
Feels a.

917
00:52:13,460 --> 00:52:17,460
Little bit off like like the
believability of the movie falls

918
00:52:17,460 --> 00:52:20,980
away a little bit when he's
like, can I have some milk?

919
00:52:21,220 --> 00:52:24,980
And you're like, and it's, it's
not necessarily that he looks

920
00:52:24,980 --> 00:52:27,660
too old.
It's at that moment you're like,

921
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:31,380
he's been a con man for a while
now, Like he would know not to

922
00:52:31,380 --> 00:52:35,060
ask for milk in this situation.
I think that's the part where it

923
00:52:35,060 --> 00:52:38,380
falls for me a little bit.
And I'm like, I think the script

924
00:52:38,380 --> 00:52:40,340
is asking Leo to do things that
don't.

925
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:45,820
They just feel dissonant,
discordant, but that's like a

926
00:52:45,820 --> 00:52:48,140
minor.
There's a few moments like that.

927
00:52:48,180 --> 00:52:52,660
I, I think Leo, like you said,
I, I feel like this middle

928
00:52:52,660 --> 00:52:58,660
portion of Leo's career aviator,
this shutter island, I think

929
00:52:58,660 --> 00:53:02,940
it's like the peak of what Leo
could because he wasn't chasing

930
00:53:02,940 --> 00:53:06,900
at this point and yet he wasn't
a little kid anymore the way he

931
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:09,980
was with Titanic and and some
other ones.

932
00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:13,780
I, I think this is like peak Leo
in a lot of ways.

933
00:53:14,860 --> 00:53:16,340
Well, and you know.
I think.

934
00:53:16,340 --> 00:53:21,780
That 3-4 years after this movie
comes out, he bulks up for Blood

935
00:53:21,780 --> 00:53:26,620
Diamond and The Departed.
Yeah, and you kind of lose.

936
00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:28,340
The.
Boyishness at that point.

937
00:53:28,380 --> 00:53:31,780
And so when he wants to go back
to doing like broken man stuff

938
00:53:32,140 --> 00:53:37,980
in the 20 tens, he has to do
Shutter Island and Inception and

939
00:53:38,380 --> 00:53:40,580
The Revenant.
And it's a very different kind

940
00:53:40,580 --> 00:53:43,780
of like tortured, broken psyche
than what you get here.

941
00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:47,260
And so this really does seem
like kind of his last hurrah in

942
00:53:47,260 --> 00:53:51,700
the like, I'm a wounded kid.
And I think that, you know, like

943
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:56,220
Chalamet has been compared to
DiCaprio a lot in terms of like,

944
00:53:56,220 --> 00:53:58,420
they have a very slender frame.
They got famous when they were

945
00:53:58,420 --> 00:54:02,260
very young, like abilities
beyond their years.

946
00:54:02,740 --> 00:54:04,660
And I kind of think Chalamet is
hitting this point now.

947
00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:06,140
He hasn't bulked up yet,
obviously.

948
00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:08,940
But like, you know, I feel like
Dune 2.

949
00:54:08,940 --> 00:54:10,820
Is kind.
Of the last time where he can

950
00:54:10,820 --> 00:54:15,220
believably play like, I'm still
the young man coming into power

951
00:54:15,740 --> 00:54:18,580
and we're about to hit the like,
what's, what's Chalamet's

952
00:54:18,580 --> 00:54:20,700
Shutter Island look like in a
couple years here?

953
00:54:20,780 --> 00:54:22,340
What?
What year did Shutter Island

954
00:54:22,540 --> 00:54:25,220
come?
Out 2010 I think.

955
00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:27,420
Really.
For some reason I was thinking.

956
00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:31,740
Of that in like a 2005 six area,
no.

957
00:54:32,380 --> 00:54:35,180
Good movie dude, Definitely not
a Thanksgiving.

958
00:54:35,180 --> 00:54:37,420
Movie.
Not not least of which because

959
00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:39,500
it has no Hanks in it, it does
not have Hanks in it.

960
00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:43,460
Let's let's knock out the rest
of this cast before.

961
00:54:43,460 --> 00:54:48,020
We get to Hanks.
I think Martin Sheen is great in

962
00:54:48,020 --> 00:54:51,620
this movie as he's so good.
Adam's dad, I always forget that

963
00:54:51,620 --> 00:54:53,900
he worked with Leo again in
Departed.

964
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:57,780
But to have him as kind of like
the surrogate father for just a

965
00:54:57,780 --> 00:55:00,380
hot 2nd.
And you get that great scene of

966
00:55:00,380 --> 00:55:04,220
DiCaprio sitting on the couch
watching, like, Lawrence Welker,

967
00:55:04,220 --> 00:55:07,580
whatever it is, and trying to
figure out like, is is this what

968
00:55:07,580 --> 00:55:11,100
a family is like?
And ultimately not being able

969
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:13,900
to, like, give into that.
You know what I think it's it's

970
00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:16,900
it is a family and it's a good
family and it's a tight family,

971
00:55:17,220 --> 00:55:20,660
but it doesn't work for what he
needs at that point.

972
00:55:20,660 --> 00:55:22,620
Yeah.
Well, and it it's a family.

973
00:55:22,620 --> 00:55:28,060
That is also building a false
narrative because the real

974
00:55:28,060 --> 00:55:31,580
narrative of that family is if
you step out of line, we kick

975
00:55:31,580 --> 00:55:35,780
you out of the family.
Even if we help you fix the

976
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:38,180
problem, we kick you out of the
family.

977
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:43,380
And so I, for me, I read that
scene as Leo wondering like, is

978
00:55:43,380 --> 00:55:47,340
this what a real family is like?
But it's a dissonance, that

979
00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:51,700
picture from the weeping Amy
Adams when he proposes to her

980
00:55:51,700 --> 00:55:54,980
and she's like, no, I'm dirty
and broken and disgusting

981
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:57,380
because I had this thing
happened to me and not just

982
00:55:57,380 --> 00:56:00,060
happened to me.
Like I chose this thing and I'm

983
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:03,740
dirty.
But then there's this picture of

984
00:56:03,740 --> 00:56:07,060
this neat, perfect little Irish
family and it, it's such a good

985
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:08,540
thing.
I I still think we haven't

986
00:56:08,540 --> 00:56:09,980
really talked about the comedy
of it all.

987
00:56:10,620 --> 00:56:14,140
I think one of the absolute
funniest lines of the movie is

988
00:56:14,140 --> 00:56:18,220
when Amy, he tells Amy Adams all
of the stuff and he just dumps

989
00:56:18,220 --> 00:56:21,380
it on her.
And to be fair to her, she has

990
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:23,380
no chance to like process at
all.

991
00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:27,460
But the one thing she focuses on
is, wait, you're not a Lutheran?

992
00:56:31,980 --> 00:56:35,500
It's it's so good, such a.
Great line man.

993
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:40,300
Well, OK, let's talk about.
Amy Adams because this is a very

994
00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:42,620
early role for her.
You know, she, she kind of

995
00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:45,780
achieves a little bit of
prominence around 2005 with a

996
00:56:45,780 --> 00:56:48,460
small indie movie she does
called Junebug, which got her a

997
00:56:48,460 --> 00:56:51,820
lot of awards nominations.
And that's around the same time

998
00:56:51,820 --> 00:56:54,220
that she does the first or
second season of the Office as

999
00:56:54,220 --> 00:56:55,980
well.
And then from there she becomes

1000
00:56:55,980 --> 00:57:00,780
the Amy Adams that we know.
I, I don't think this role works

1001
00:57:00,980 --> 00:57:07,460
unless you have someone who can
play like cute ingenue slash,

1002
00:57:07,620 --> 00:57:12,860
very naive slash, believably
broken, right?

1003
00:57:12,860 --> 00:57:15,740
Like when she cries in this
movie, she's not doing the like,

1004
00:57:15,740 --> 00:57:20,060
I'm a dumb girl crying, you
know, like Marilyn Monroe kind

1005
00:57:20,060 --> 00:57:24,420
of act like she's she's doing
something that feels very like

1006
00:57:25,260 --> 00:57:30,060
this is a a girl who was very
sheltered and is trying to

1007
00:57:30,060 --> 00:57:32,860
figure out life on her own and
is way too trusting of other

1008
00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:35,420
people.
And I think that Amy Adams just

1009
00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:39,460
absolutely nails that part.
And I I do think that one.

1010
00:57:39,460 --> 00:57:43,220
Of the key elements of this
world that he's building because

1011
00:57:43,260 --> 00:57:50,060
it it feels like you know how
like eternal sunshine of the

1012
00:57:50,060 --> 00:57:54,020
spotless mind is like it's a
real movie, but it's like it's

1013
00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:57,660
slightly in a different universe
than what the real world is

1014
00:57:57,660 --> 00:58:00,220
right.
This movie kind of feels similar

1015
00:58:00,540 --> 00:58:03,940
in how it creates these really
gullible people.

1016
00:58:04,260 --> 00:58:07,100
Like there's so many people that
like as and maybe this is just

1017
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:11,220
like a modern cynic, but you
look back and you're like, were

1018
00:58:11,220 --> 00:58:14,980
people really that gullible that
you drop a you drop a necklace

1019
00:58:14,980 --> 00:58:18,900
and people are like, it's a
necklace for me, you know, and

1020
00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:20,340
it it.
Feels.

1021
00:58:20,420 --> 00:58:23,660
Put on just enough and it
doesn't break the illusion of

1022
00:58:23,660 --> 00:58:26,900
the film.
But Amy Adams, I think, does the

1023
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:31,900
best job of making that
gullibility feel believable

1024
00:58:32,420 --> 00:58:36,900
because she has experienced such
deep trauma and she has a family

1025
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:40,700
that builds this false narrative
about who they are as a family.

1026
00:58:41,220 --> 00:58:48,340
It makes her character holistic
and feel very real and lived in

1027
00:58:48,740 --> 00:58:53,340
and she's only on screen for 15
minutes of a two hour and 25

1028
00:58:53,340 --> 00:58:56,220
minute movie.
Like I think she is one of the

1029
00:58:56,220 --> 00:58:59,940
best written characters.
It helps that Martin Sheen is

1030
00:58:59,940 --> 00:59:03,380
her dad and she's a great
actress in her own right that

1031
00:59:03,660 --> 00:59:07,100
build it into a believable
character system.

1032
00:59:07,540 --> 00:59:11,700
But man, oh man, I I think she
is my favorite like sub

1033
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:16,980
character of the movie.
She she has that innocence, she

1034
00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:22,380
has that trauma and horror and
the Co ability and I, I thought

1035
00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:25,060
she nails it.
And especially it's just wild.

1036
00:59:25,060 --> 00:59:30,220
Like this is her first role,
like her first big role.

1037
00:59:30,620 --> 00:59:34,220
And if if we were talking about
directors and scoring them like

1038
00:59:34,220 --> 00:59:38,660
we did a few seasons back, this
would be an example of Spielberg

1039
00:59:38,660 --> 00:59:42,140
being a great director of actors
and actresses.

1040
00:59:42,420 --> 00:59:44,260
I think he, I think.
You have to.

1041
00:59:44,260 --> 00:59:47,260
Give Spielberg some credit here.
You know, you don't necessarily

1042
00:59:47,260 --> 00:59:49,100
give him credit for Martin Sheen
being awesome.

1043
00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:51,820
He, he's an established actor at
this point, sure.

1044
00:59:51,820 --> 00:59:56,900
But to take Amy Adams and give
us that performance, nailed it.

1045
00:59:57,620 --> 01:00:00,580
I think the closest analog.
In like a character that we've

1046
01:00:00,580 --> 01:00:05,620
seen before on the show is
Jessica Chastain as Celia Foot

1047
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:07,860
in the Help.
There's a very like a very

1048
01:00:07,860 --> 01:00:10,940
similar kind of.
She looks like the ditzy dumb

1049
01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:12,780
blonde.
She's much more than that.

1050
01:00:12,860 --> 01:00:15,300
And and I still feel like Amy
Adams is probably a little bit

1051
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:17,980
better here because she feels
more like a real person even

1052
01:00:17,980 --> 01:00:19,580
than that character in the help
does.

1053
01:00:20,260 --> 01:00:23,300
And I think Brad that that takes
us to our boy Tom Hanks.

1054
01:00:23,860 --> 01:00:26,860
It's a it's a great Hanks
performance because he nails

1055
01:00:26,860 --> 01:00:29,900
what he needs to nail.
And then the things that aren't

1056
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:33,100
great, you can forgive.
This is an interesting moment in

1057
01:00:33,100 --> 01:00:35,500
Hanks's career.
So you know, he's won both of

1058
01:00:35,500 --> 01:00:37,820
his Oscars in the early to mid
90s.

1059
01:00:38,020 --> 01:00:40,980
He is on top of the world.
We've talked about the run of

1060
01:00:40,980 --> 01:00:44,140
films he did throughout the 90s
to the early 2000s before.

1061
01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:47,620
It is still fairly unbroken in
this year.

1062
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:50,460
He has Roads to Perdition and
Catch Me If You Can.

1063
01:00:51,180 --> 01:00:54,620
And I think Roads to Perdition
is him trying to find something

1064
01:00:54,620 --> 01:00:58,100
new to continue doing, playing
like a, a criminal, playing a

1065
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:00,860
hitman.
And it, it doesn't quite work.

1066
01:01:00,860 --> 01:01:03,980
It's a good movie, but it, it
doesn't quite work for Hanks.

1067
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:07,060
And then you have him sliding
into this role and it, it just

1068
01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:09,740
fits like a freaking glove.
He's returning to the well of

1069
01:01:09,740 --> 01:01:13,940
being able to do comedy from the
the days of Bosom Buddies and,

1070
01:01:14,060 --> 01:01:16,500
and A League of Their Own and
what, what have you.

1071
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:22,700
And I think that he also is able
to bring that sense of unspoken

1072
01:01:23,140 --> 01:01:26,020
gravitas to those scenes where
he's just, like, looking

1073
01:01:26,020 --> 01:01:29,540
lovingly at DiCaprio, this
criminal.

1074
01:01:29,860 --> 01:01:32,340
And it might not be in the
script, but it's definitely

1075
01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:34,620
something that he and Spielberg
were able to draw out of the

1076
01:01:34,620 --> 01:01:35,740
character.
Yeah.

1077
01:01:36,220 --> 01:01:38,980
Oh, and in the same way.
That we got to watch Leo go from

1078
01:01:38,980 --> 01:01:44,580
this innocent child to a broken,
you know, world weary traveller.

1079
01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:49,780
You get to see hand ready go
from just an FBI agent who got

1080
01:01:49,780 --> 01:01:52,620
tricked.
And another one of the best

1081
01:01:52,620 --> 01:01:55,900
scenes of the movie is when Leo
walks out of the bathroom and

1082
01:01:55,900 --> 01:02:01,180
he's caught red handed by Tom
Hanks and is able to con the

1083
01:02:01,180 --> 01:02:02,780
person who is supposed to catch
in it.

1084
01:02:03,020 --> 01:02:06,540
What a great scene.
And so he goes from being this

1085
01:02:06,540 --> 01:02:11,340
FBI agent who was utterly
humiliated by the person he was

1086
01:02:11,340 --> 01:02:16,980
supposed to catch to oh, wow.
Like, I'm a father and I want to

1087
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:22,380
love this kid, and I am able to
move beyond the initial story.

1088
01:02:22,380 --> 01:02:29,540
I saw the mystique around Frank
Abagnale into recognizing who he

1089
01:02:29,540 --> 01:02:33,220
really is and a scared little
kid who's on the run and just

1090
01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:36,140
wants to be chased and wants
somebody to care about him.

1091
01:02:36,460 --> 01:02:40,380
And so that arc for Hanks, I
think it gives him a great role

1092
01:02:40,380 --> 01:02:43,060
to, you know, like you said, it
doesn't matter how big or small

1093
01:02:43,060 --> 01:02:45,100
the role is a great part is a
great part.

1094
01:02:45,460 --> 01:02:47,820
And he he knocks it out of the
park.

1095
01:02:48,340 --> 01:02:53,700
He sinks his teeth into this
place where he he sees Leonardo

1096
01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:58,500
DiCaprio and dives into his life
and draws him out of the false

1097
01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:00,740
narrative that Leo had
constructed for himself.

1098
01:03:00,740 --> 01:03:04,340
It it's a great role.
And Hanks plays that transition

1099
01:03:04,340 --> 01:03:06,380
so well.
And, and you see it when he's

1100
01:03:06,380 --> 01:03:09,820
sitting next to him on the
airplane and goes, you know,

1101
01:03:09,820 --> 01:03:12,940
hey, I, I didn't want to be the
one to tell you this, but you

1102
01:03:12,940 --> 01:03:16,060
feel the sense of like weight
and responsibility on Tom Hanks

1103
01:03:16,060 --> 01:03:20,940
that like, I didn't want to do
this, but I'm an adult and I

1104
01:03:20,940 --> 01:03:23,900
care about you, which means I
need to be the one to tell you.

1105
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:27,500
So I'm going to do my
responsibility even if I don't

1106
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:29,700
want to do it.
And tells him about his dad

1107
01:03:29,700 --> 01:03:31,980
dying.
And, and it's just a, it's a

1108
01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:35,700
great moment of character growth
for Tom Hanks, his character.

1109
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:39,580
And as always, Hanks does that
so, so well.

1110
01:03:41,180 --> 01:03:43,100
Yeah.
Yeah, man, I do.

1111
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:46,860
Think this might go on the Mount
Rushmore of Tom Hanks accent

1112
01:03:46,860 --> 01:03:50,740
work.
Capital A capital W for good and

1113
01:03:50,740 --> 01:03:53,220
bad reasons.
So, you know, Hanks was not

1114
01:03:53,220 --> 01:03:56,340
really an accent guy in his
early going and he wins the

1115
01:03:56,340 --> 01:03:59,140
Academy Award for Best Actor for
Philadelphia.

1116
01:03:59,580 --> 01:04:02,980
And then his follow up movie is
Forrest Gump and he becomes Tom

1117
01:04:02,980 --> 01:04:06,140
Hanks accent guy and wins an
Oscar for that.

1118
01:04:06,140 --> 01:04:10,740
And then I would say it's like
an even 5050 split of every

1119
01:04:10,740 --> 01:04:13,620
movie he's made since then where
he's either trying to do a voice

1120
01:04:13,620 --> 01:04:18,020
or not trying to do a voice.
And that's a huge chunk of your

1121
01:04:18,020 --> 01:04:19,780
movies to try to be doing a
voice in.

1122
01:04:20,060 --> 01:04:23,300
Yeah, you know, in in Toy Story,
he's just Tom Hanks and it's

1123
01:04:23,300 --> 01:04:25,420
lovely.
And in Saving Private Ryan, he's

1124
01:04:25,420 --> 01:04:27,620
just Tom Hanks.
And in Castaway, he's just Tom

1125
01:04:27,620 --> 01:04:28,620
Hanks.
They're all and there's the

1126
01:04:28,860 --> 01:04:30,420
great and then there's the
terminal.

1127
01:04:31,660 --> 01:04:34,940
There's the terminal.
There's the terminal, yeah.

1128
01:04:35,180 --> 01:04:36,700
Yeah.
Man, so you got Forrest Gump,

1129
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:39,420
you've got the Green Mile.
He's like, I'm from Louisiana

1130
01:04:39,420 --> 01:04:40,340
now.
No, you're not.

1131
01:04:40,740 --> 01:04:44,460
Then you've then you've got the
terminal, you've got this movie,

1132
01:04:44,660 --> 01:04:47,140
you've got like, what else are
we talking about?

1133
01:04:47,140 --> 01:04:51,060
Even Mr. Rogers, he tries to do
Mr. Rogers voice that does not

1134
01:04:51,060 --> 01:04:53,660
work at all.
And I feel like he's been doing

1135
01:04:53,660 --> 01:04:56,580
this thing for the last five or
so years where he does gravelly

1136
01:04:56,580 --> 01:04:59,180
voice now, which is not his
natural voice.

1137
01:04:59,180 --> 01:05:02,020
But every movie he tries to talk
like this now.

1138
01:05:02,420 --> 01:05:05,700
Ever since Sully.
Yeah, the man, The man from.

1139
01:05:05,700 --> 01:05:08,540
Otto called Otto.
Yes, a man called Otto.

1140
01:05:08,780 --> 01:05:10,140
He does.
The same voice.

1141
01:05:10,660 --> 01:05:16,700
I don't know that he's trying.
He's trying to, yeah.

1142
01:05:16,820 --> 01:05:19,260
He worked with Eastwood.
And he was like, this is it,

1143
01:05:19,660 --> 01:05:23,820
this is the rest of my career.
I don't know that the hit rate

1144
01:05:23,820 --> 01:05:28,140
is as high on Tom Hanks accent
guy as it is just regular Tom

1145
01:05:28,140 --> 01:05:30,860
Hanks.
Yeah, that leads me into saying

1146
01:05:31,140 --> 01:05:32,900
this is a horrible Boston
accent.

1147
01:05:33,580 --> 01:05:34,940
It's not good.
And yet I.

1148
01:05:35,260 --> 01:05:38,420
I will give him.
Marks in that a lot of times

1149
01:05:38,420 --> 01:05:41,820
when Tom Hanks is doing accent
guy, he falls out of the accent.

1150
01:05:42,020 --> 01:05:43,460
Like we talked about it in
Forrest Gump.

1151
01:05:43,460 --> 01:05:46,060
There's a couple lines where he
just becomes regular Tom Hanks.

1152
01:05:47,020 --> 01:05:48,660
He does the Boston.
Accent in.

1153
01:05:48,660 --> 01:05:51,900
Every line of this movie I to
his credit, and I don't know if

1154
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:54,300
that's just Spielberg being
like, Tom, you forgot to do the

1155
01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:55,860
accent that time.
Let's do it again.

1156
01:05:56,180 --> 01:05:59,340
Yeah, but I I think if you got
to give him credit somewhere on

1157
01:05:59,340 --> 01:06:01,940
the accent, it's at least
consistent across the board.

1158
01:06:02,180 --> 01:06:05,380
Dude, if there's anything.
I want to be known for it is

1159
01:06:05,380 --> 01:06:08,940
sticking to the bit and he stuck
to that bit.

1160
01:06:09,380 --> 01:06:12,740
It was it was great.
And I I think when you do it

1161
01:06:12,740 --> 01:06:16,220
consistently throughout the
whole film, it goes from being

1162
01:06:16,220 --> 01:06:21,580
like annoying that he falls in
and out of it to like almost

1163
01:06:21,580 --> 01:06:24,180
like lovable.
It's like, ah, you suck at that

1164
01:06:24,180 --> 01:06:26,140
accent.
But yeah, you do it the whole

1165
01:06:26,140 --> 01:06:27,780
time.
It's OK, man, good job.

1166
01:06:29,740 --> 01:06:31,620
I do.
I do think that the.

1167
01:06:31,620 --> 01:06:36,180
Knock knock joke wouldn't work
as well if he didn't go knock

1168
01:06:36,180 --> 01:06:41,540
knock because it's it's so good
and I also love the.

1169
01:06:42,540 --> 01:06:46,060
The way Spielberg builds the
script to tell the joke.

1170
01:06:46,060 --> 01:06:50,820
So he gets his one F word in and
then later to his police

1171
01:06:50,820 --> 01:06:53,980
Sergeant or whatever he said, he
starts it and then it cuts to

1172
01:06:53,980 --> 01:06:56,420
something else.
And it's that little joke with

1173
01:06:56,420 --> 01:06:58,620
the audience to be like, you
know where this is going?

1174
01:06:59,380 --> 01:07:00,660
Yep.
Yeah, it's it's pretty.

1175
01:07:01,380 --> 01:07:05,340
Awk.
Before we move into, let's make

1176
01:07:05,340 --> 01:07:06,860
it a.
Double and final scores.

1177
01:07:06,860 --> 01:07:10,900
I'm implementing a new
Thanksgiving related scoring

1178
01:07:10,900 --> 01:07:14,700
metric here, Brad.
OK, on a scale of 1 to 10

1179
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:20,180
Thanksgiving turkeys, how many
Thanksgiving turkeys does?

1180
01:07:20,180 --> 01:07:23,300
Ketchum, if you can get how
many?

1181
01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:26,340
Thanksgiving turkeys does the
Tom Hanks performance get Now

1182
01:07:26,340 --> 01:07:29,620
this could just be how good of a
performance is it or how how

1183
01:07:29,620 --> 01:07:33,780
hankful does it make you but use
whatever logic you want but how

1184
01:07:33,780 --> 01:07:38,500
many turkeys are we giving Hanks
for this performance I would

1185
01:07:38,500 --> 01:07:42,020
give.
Him about 8 1/2 Hanksgiving

1186
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:46,260
turkeys I think this is a great
performance It like it is up

1187
01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:50,500
there one of his best it's not
like transcendent I I wouldn't

1188
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:55,260
call it like something that
moves me in AI can't stop

1189
01:07:55,260 --> 01:07:57,980
thinking about this performance
the way that I would a Captain

1190
01:07:57,980 --> 01:08:01,180
Phillips to be honest. 100%
yeah.

1191
01:08:01,180 --> 01:08:03,940
This is like an 8 out of. 10
Thanksgiving turkeys.

1192
01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:06,780
I I would never want to give
someone half of a Turkey on

1193
01:08:06,780 --> 01:08:09,140
Thanksgiving, so I'm I'll stick
to round numbers here.

1194
01:08:09,380 --> 01:08:11,100
We'll say it's an 8 out of 10
Turkey.

1195
01:08:11,380 --> 01:08:14,500
And Brad, that takes us to our
final segment of the day, which

1196
01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:18,020
we call let's make it a double.
We're near the end of the

1197
01:08:18,140 --> 01:08:20,620
episode.
So thanks listening to the film

1198
01:08:20,620 --> 01:08:23,380
and whiskey show, let's pair
another film with this one.

1199
01:08:23,380 --> 01:08:25,620
Even if it's struggling.
It's the final segment of the

1200
01:08:25,620 --> 01:08:27,060
day.
Now let's make it a double.

1201
01:08:27,380 --> 01:08:29,060
Let's make it a double.
Is the part of the show.

1202
01:08:29,060 --> 01:08:32,060
Where we pick a movie to pair up
with this one to make the

1203
01:08:32,060 --> 01:08:35,180
perfect double feature.
Brad, I'm gonna go 1st and I'm

1204
01:08:35,180 --> 01:08:37,660
gonna go quick on this one
because you, you took my pairing

1205
01:08:37,660 --> 01:08:40,180
earlier.
I, I thought I was gonna be

1206
01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:44,060
super clever about my connection
of this movie to the Wolf of

1207
01:08:44,060 --> 01:08:48,779
Wall Street because it's
DiCaprio and the FBI and the guy

1208
01:08:48,779 --> 01:08:51,819
on the train and Hanks pulling
stuff out of the laundry.

1209
01:08:52,020 --> 01:08:55,580
I think that's the perfect mash
up for this because you called

1210
01:08:55,580 --> 01:08:58,340
it out.
I'll give a second option, and

1211
01:08:58,340 --> 01:09:02,620
it's gonna be the theme is gonna
be great title sequences from

1212
01:09:02,620 --> 01:09:04,899
the early 2000s with a jazz
score.

1213
01:09:05,140 --> 01:09:08,460
And the year before this you
have the great animated opening

1214
01:09:08,460 --> 01:09:12,779
sequence of Monsters Inc.
So if you just want to watch. 2

1215
01:09:12,779 --> 01:09:16,020
Great.
Jazz influenced scores and cool

1216
01:09:16,020 --> 01:09:19,100
animated title sequences.
You could do a lot worse than

1217
01:09:19,220 --> 01:09:22,460
Monsters Inc and Catch Me Yeah.
Oh.

1218
01:09:22,460 --> 01:09:26,500
Man, I you're going to love
this, Bob.

1219
01:09:26,500 --> 01:09:28,819
I'm I'm not going to pair it
with this movie because I don't

1220
01:09:28,819 --> 01:09:34,020
like the movie as I was thinking
about movies that focus on the

1221
01:09:34,020 --> 01:09:36,979
theme of like brokenness and how
it.

1222
01:09:36,979 --> 01:09:39,580
Drives us.
Away from our home to like, try

1223
01:09:39,580 --> 01:09:42,979
to figure out who we are.
You're going to love this.

1224
01:09:43,020 --> 01:09:48,620
You're, this is like your, I
thought about almost famous that

1225
01:09:49,180 --> 01:09:53,899
his, his house is broken.
He's seeking like some form of

1226
01:09:53,899 --> 01:09:56,500
identity through music.
And so he goes on the road with

1227
01:09:56,500 --> 01:10:01,060
his, his idol and then realizes
like he's just as broken as I

1228
01:10:01,060 --> 01:10:03,940
am.
So I, I do think I'm that level.

1229
01:10:03,940 --> 01:10:06,180
Almost famous could be a good
pairing.

1230
01:10:07,420 --> 01:10:12,220
I I think though, I'm going to
focus more on the like, let's

1231
01:10:12,220 --> 01:10:18,300
focus on a fun con man movie and
I'm going to go with 1973's The

1232
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:22,620
Sting.
'Cause that's something such a

1233
01:10:22,660 --> 01:10:25,140
good it's.
Such a good movie man.

1234
01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:29,140
It's it focuses on con man
movies we need.

1235
01:10:29,140 --> 01:10:32,620
Like whether it's whether it's
watching the heist the way you

1236
01:10:32,620 --> 01:10:36,980
do in the in The Sting and
Ocean's 11, or whether it's just

1237
01:10:36,980 --> 01:10:40,900
getting caught up in the story
of a con man like this movie, We

1238
01:10:40,900 --> 01:10:43,260
just need more.
Does Hollywood make more?

1239
01:10:43,580 --> 01:10:45,060
They're great.
Movies.

1240
01:10:45,620 --> 01:10:48,300
I think is it?
I thought I saw something the

1241
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:52,620
other day about the the magic.
Oh, man, this is like very

1242
01:10:52,620 --> 01:10:54,700
nonsensical coming out of my
mouth right now.

1243
01:10:55,300 --> 01:10:58,820
What was the magic movie that
Jesse Eisenberg?

1244
01:10:58,860 --> 01:10:59,580
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

1245
01:10:59,620 --> 01:11:00,820
Now you see me.
They're coming.

1246
01:11:00,820 --> 01:11:02,460
Out with a new one of those?
Are they coming out with a new

1247
01:11:02,460 --> 01:11:04,940
one?
There you go.

1248
01:11:04,940 --> 01:11:06,260
Those movies suck, dude.
They're not.

1249
01:11:06,260 --> 01:11:07,060
Good.
So they're not.

1250
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:09,380
Good movies, man.
They're trying to.

1251
01:11:09,380 --> 01:11:10,620
There was a Really.
Good movie.

1252
01:11:11,340 --> 01:11:13,820
There was a really good movie
that came out like 2 months ago

1253
01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:16,220
called Roof Man with Channing
Tatum.

1254
01:11:16,220 --> 01:11:18,740
I think I talked about it in one
of our Friday episodes.

1255
01:11:18,740 --> 01:11:20,620
Yeah, because my brain if you
like.

1256
01:11:21,140 --> 01:11:22,820
If you like, catch.
Me if you can.

1257
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:25,780
It is like the 21st century
equivalent of that.

1258
01:11:25,900 --> 01:11:28,060
I might actually just change my
vote to that movie.

1259
01:11:28,140 --> 01:11:30,660
It's really good.
Catch me if you can is.

1260
01:11:30,980 --> 01:11:35,180
From the 21st century, but it's
set in the 20th, you know.

1261
01:11:35,180 --> 01:11:38,060
What I'm saying?
All right, man, We've given out

1262
01:11:38,060 --> 01:11:41,140
our turkeys.
We've picked our our double

1263
01:11:41,140 --> 01:11:42,940
features here.
Let's give this movie some final

1264
01:11:42,940 --> 01:11:45,780
scores.
I think that this is like a

1265
01:11:45,780 --> 01:11:50,060
close to perfectly made movie.
There is still something.

1266
01:11:50,060 --> 01:11:52,060
Within me, that's like there's.
A ceiling on these types of

1267
01:11:52,060 --> 01:11:53,900
movies.
So I I think I'm going to come

1268
01:11:53,900 --> 01:11:58,460
out to a nine out of 10 on this
movie, but it's a very high 9,

1269
01:11:58,540 --> 01:12:00,660
if that makes sense.
I'm with you.

1270
01:12:00,660 --> 01:12:03,060
I'm at a nine.
Out of 10, it's it's not a

1271
01:12:03,060 --> 01:12:04,980
perfect film.
There's there's little flaws

1272
01:12:04,980 --> 01:12:10,260
here and there.
It is a like true to the word

1273
01:12:10,340 --> 01:12:14,780
RIP roar in good time.
And if anything, the reason this

1274
01:12:14,780 --> 01:12:18,260
doesn't hit hit like a 10 out of
10/9 and 1/2 out of 10 peak.

1275
01:12:18,620 --> 01:12:21,780
It's because there is a little
bit of tension between Spielberg

1276
01:12:21,780 --> 01:12:25,580
wanting to have have fun with
the movie and Spielberg wanting

1277
01:12:25,580 --> 01:12:29,060
to be serious with the movie.
I I think that's where the movie

1278
01:12:29,740 --> 01:12:31,620
I, I don't want to say falls
apart a little bit.

1279
01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:35,580
It it just a little rough around
the edges when you when it when

1280
01:12:35,580 --> 01:12:38,100
those two elements rub up
against each other.

1281
01:12:38,500 --> 01:12:41,460
But other than that, man, just
catch me if you can.

1282
01:12:41,460 --> 01:12:45,940
It's a great freaking movie.
Is it a good Thanksgiving movie?

1283
01:12:46,740 --> 01:12:48,300
I think it's a really good
Thanksgiving.

1284
01:12:48,300 --> 01:12:50,820
Movie what you said to the
start, man, it like there's a

1285
01:12:50,820 --> 01:12:53,780
little bit of longing.
There's a huge element on

1286
01:12:53,780 --> 01:12:57,860
family.
It's fun and entertaining.

1287
01:12:57,860 --> 01:13:00,420
Anybody could sit down and watch
it and be like, oh, that was a

1288
01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:02,300
good time.
I'm glad I sat down and watched

1289
01:13:02,380 --> 01:13:05,020
Catch Me if you Can.
So yeah, great holiday flick.

1290
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:07,460
All right.
Last thing I'll say.

1291
01:13:07,660 --> 01:13:10,900
Brad, I just happened to pull up
the domestic box office for

1292
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:14,140
2002, and you can see I've just
opened the tab 'cause my face is

1293
01:13:14,140 --> 01:13:17,660
all bright now, but let me read
the top few movies 'cause I

1294
01:13:17,660 --> 01:13:19,580
don't think we knew how good we
had it back then.

1295
01:13:19,940 --> 01:13:23,380
It's such a good mix of
franchise stuff and sequel stuff

1296
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:24,940
and originals.
Yeah.

1297
01:13:25,020 --> 01:13:27,820
So from from 1:00 to 12:00, here
we go.

1298
01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:34,460
Spider Man, Sam Raimi, The Two
Towers, Attack of the Clones,

1299
01:13:35,220 --> 01:13:38,740
Harry Potter and the Chamber of
Secrets, My Big Fat Greek

1300
01:13:38,740 --> 01:13:44,580
Wedding, Mel Gibson in Signs.
Oh my gosh, Austin.

1301
01:13:44,580 --> 01:13:50,140
Powers in Goldmember.
Men in Black 2 Ice Age, Then you

1302
01:13:50,140 --> 01:13:55,500
have the best picture winner,
Chicago, Catch Me If You Can and

1303
01:13:55,500 --> 01:13:57,420
the James Bond movie Die Another
day.

1304
01:13:58,100 --> 01:14:01,780
Now, not all of those movies are
great movies, but I think that I

1305
01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:06,340
I miss having like real summer
blockbuster movies.

1306
01:14:06,700 --> 01:14:10,060
Yeah, mixed with prestige, mixed
with like, here's a new

1307
01:14:10,060 --> 01:14:13,860
Spielberg to go with it.
What a perfect line up of

1308
01:14:13,860 --> 01:14:15,740
movies, dude.
Yeah, dude.

1309
01:14:15,740 --> 01:14:19,820
The movie industry.
Has has morphed and evolved in a

1310
01:14:19,820 --> 01:14:25,140
lot of ways that I don't enjoy.
And with that, folks happy.

1311
01:14:25,140 --> 01:14:28,220
Thanksgiving from us here.
Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

1312
01:14:29,460 --> 01:14:32,300
OK, so we gave this movie.
A nine out of 10 on average I do

1313
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:34,620
want to hear what film and
whiskey nation thinks of this

1314
01:14:34,620 --> 01:14:37,460
one how long has it been since
you've seen catch me if you can

1315
01:14:37,460 --> 01:14:41,380
and will you consider turning it
on for your family on this Hanks

1316
01:14:41,380 --> 01:14:44,700
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1317
01:14:44,940 --> 01:14:50,660
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what about LinkedIn Bob we.
We still on LinkedIn.

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Find us on LinkedIn.
I'm posting on.

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LinkedIn.
Come find us there, baby or.

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If you want to join the
conversation, we are on our

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Discord server.
We're on there every day.

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You can talk to us there.
Find a link at the end of every

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single one of our show notes.
We will see you.

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Next week with another.
Regularly scheduled episode, but

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until then, I'm Bob Book, I'm
Brad G and we'll see.

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You next time knock.
Knock, knock.

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Knock.