Grammy Awards 2023: Top Five Movie Scores and Sountracks

0:00 Hey everyone. Before we get into today's episode, I just wanted to remind you that we have a ton of extra content over on our patreon. We do movie watch parties special page here on the bonus episodes and all other sorts of wacky stuff that you can access easily. If you head on over to patreon.com slash film whiskey. Hey everybody, welcome into the film and whiskey podcast. I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie, and we're coming at you with another special bonus episode. Bonus episode. Soda now filming, whiskey Nation. I am. I'm gonna level with you here, we try to be honest with our fans. Brad, this was this was not a planned bonus episode, it was something that came up very last minute and it came up at the last minute because there's a few people in our whiskey-drinking lives. Brad that have not just an open invitation to come on the show but an open invitation to send me an Instagram message and say hey I need to come on, your show, sometime in the next like ten days and I say, absolutely Yeah. And that person is on the other end of the line here. It's our friend.

1:03 Zack Johnston from up rocks. Zack, how are you today? Hey guys, I'm doing really well. I got a glass of whiskey here and a soundtrack in my heart. There it is. Yeah, so here's the, here's the deal today. Zack is joining us because he's Pro mowing, a very special bottle. That will be sampling in a minute here, but it's a bottle that's being released in conjunction with the Grammy Awards and awards show that has been mentioned on this podcast exactly zero times. Before Brad, Oh yeah, the Grammys are a thing that happens every year. People watch it. And awards are given out, you know what? Like I my mind is so solely focused on the Oscars this time of year that Zack was like yeah we will talk about the Grammys and I was like was that was that a typo?

1:48 Did you want to did you meet Oscars? He's like no man I met Grammys so we're going to talk Grammys today. This is really fun because I feel really out of my element but while some say, yeah, we're going to break down some moves. Music to try to tie it back into things anymore. I just assumed that Taylor Swift wins all the Grammys. Yeah she cleans up man. Is that not true? I think she's at least like nominated for some right? She did I think she did just come out with another album this year. She brokered Ticketmaster. I know that much. Exactly. And to be fair the Grammys do award film music. Some little trophies.

2:29 So Absolutely will do cross over there. Can't win any got without the Grammys that's what I always say. Exactly will be a 1/2 way to he got. Next time I come on, we'll talk about the Tonys and then there it is. Well, rounded out with the Emmys Zach. I am so happy that you're joining us today and let's just jump right in here, man. So, first of all, I want to talk about the fact that up rocks, is working in conjunction with the Grammys to release a special bottle. And I guess my first question is just like, Why now why the Grammys like of all the award shows that you guys could partner up with where did this kind of partnership start? Well it was sort of fortuitous in that my boss Jeremiah.

3:13 He's spearheading the street style walk through into the Grammy so like up rocks is bring a whole bunch of street style into the sort of walk through all the nominees go through, and basically he's choosing, you know, fits for shoes and different and for Street, And things like that. Lots of art, very up Rock style because doing fresh pair, which is a show that has been spearheaded over the last year or so, through up rocks, where we bring on people like Redmond Redmond and we gave them a, like a really cool one off pair of sneakers for just him that are handmade. Oh, that's cool, and that's displays and it's cool show. So that's sort of segwayed into us doing these style walkthrough at the Grammys and then the sort of cherry on the top of that is, we're going to be handing out a Few of these bottles to some of the nominees as well and sort of being our presentation to the world as a brand that's doing Barrel picks through that and then they'll be some for sale also via natural barrel company.

4:13 So that you know the average person can also try it as well as opposed to a nominee at the Grammys. So what I hear you saying is since we have a bottle of it, we can now refer to ourselves as Grammy nominee, Bob Hook and Brad G, right? That that's correct. T'. Yeah, that's exactly your part of the elite crew. You didn't have to wait on line and try to hit the right moment to buy a bottle. Brad is, I always say you and I part of the elite then you know that is I mean, what else would anybody say about us? Bob the Ohio Mafia? Right. That's right. That's correct. All right so you've mentioned the company that even working with once now but I want to talk a little bit about Nashville barrel company. This is the very first product.

5:00 Of theirs that we have ever had on our show. I've got a bottle sitting here, right on my desk right now because you were so lovely to send us a bottle of it. Brad does not have any because this bottle just got to my home on Friday. And so as part of the elite I get to drink this whiskey and comment on it and Brad does not. Yeah, I would say, I might be a part of the elite but it sounds like you're part of the 1% Bob. That's true, that's very true. But I want to talk a little bit about this company because I've heard so many good things about them a lot. Out of the people that we follow on Instagram, have picked barrels with them before. I've never heard a bad word about any of the barrels that anyone's tried from them. Zack, can you give me a little bit of background on this company? Yeah and it's sort of like I've been working with Michael hens who's the owner of natural barrel company down his Course, Nashville Tennessee for a couple years now just, you know, really enjoying their work, the very long story short of it. They're pulling in barrels from Indiana. The MGP, but some other places to bring them down to Tennessee and they do a sort of final aging there. So they will, they will Warehouse them before they take them over to their Nashville location or they have a open to the public consumer-facing Warehouse, where people can go in, and they can try different Barrel pics from different people who have picked barrels with whether they be influencers, podcasters people in the industry and literally, you know, the Cosmopolitan hotel in Vegas, are the Marriott or Or husk or whomever and then also,

6:32 as a consumer you could do a barrel pick with your crew if you want. And you can walk away with, you know, 180 200 bottles in essence, Nashville barrel company. Sort of is finding those MGP barrels that everyone wants. So, so so badly, because they're between 5, 45, and 89 years old. Now, getting to 10 years old and he's Michael. Hens has this Magic Touch where he somehow is getting the best of the best where I live. Gone through on multiple occasions and taste it 1012 working, sometimes even 18 barrels and like you know a couple hours everyone is good but everyone is a little different and it's just this wonderful thing where I don't know what magic he has but he is getting incredible single barrels of whiskey down there and so for me it was like a kind of like a no-brainer Fit For Us in that because you know when you do a barrel pick with a company you need to do two things. You need to represent where you're getting it from. So, like if we did a barrel pick with wild turkey, for instance, you want it to be recognizable as wild turkey, but with your fingerprint on it, as sort of as the secondary part of that. So in picking this Barrel, I wanted that too nasty but I also wanted it to be something that was quintessential in that when you taste it at years like this is a bourbon nose turned up to 11.

7:56 This is a bourbon body turned up to 11. This is a bourbon finish that Put the cherry on the top. Hmm. Well, I mean, I can say, you know, speaking from experience over here man, this thing packs, a punch. Can you tell us a little bit about the barrel that you picked in particular? Yeah. So think of a day we went through six or seven different barrels. And this one stood out specifically because of the beginning middle end was very clear, it's a six-year-old will six point two year old Barrel, five years, in Indiana, 14 months, in Tennessee. Aging it's a high-rise 21%. The proof is 118 .16, so 59 percent ABV and yeah, it was, you know, it's an MGB from Indiana.

8:43 So it's not like, you know, we're hiding behind you. It was this or that, that got a little extra agent in Tennessee. And so it's a 6 Plus year old and we got about a hundred eighty odd bottles out of it. And I like it because it was on of the barrels, I taste that day. It was sort of Lower end as well. There were some that were nearing Hazmat levels and 130s that just were a little too bold, because as I said that, secondary thumbprint that we need wanted to put on this as an actual NBC pick. What was that, you know, a lot of the people who are going to be tasting, this, you know, the Hip Hop Community or the street where committee, you know, whether we like her out, there used to Blanton's and things that are proof down pretty far. So, we didn't want to go too crazy with this huge, you know, Beast of a burden.

9:29 Bourbon Beast of a burden, Beast of a burger that you know, would be to unapproachable and I felt with this even though the a b these were on the higher end you know we're still just under 60% and for me it doesn't play as a heat pump on the palate, too much now. And, you know, I've been sitting here just nosing it for the last five minutes or so and I have to say, you know, when you kind of go around like you're tasting wheel and you're looking for different things or kind of you know, smelling for different things. Junior knows, this is like every single component is represented here. It's crazy how complex this nose is there? I, you know, I got red apple and then I took another nosing and I got Peach, and it took another nosing and I got bright Cherry. But then there's like, there's even something on this that is like, I very rarely get anything on that sort of like herbal or vegetable side with Bourbons, but it reminded me a lot of fresh thyme and I like, I never get a note like that on a bourbon.

10:27 That's usually something, you know, maybe on a A ride definitely on something from overseas that can it has that sort of herbal note to it and then you kind of come back around and I was getting just like vanilla like a Bavarian cream like vanilla pudding kind of its really, really complex. You picked a good one man. Yeah. Bob. You're getting all the things I'm getting, that's for sure. Brad. I apologize that it hasn't gotten to you but you are getting some so that it's a okay. Like I will never impugn your honor here but Bob's The other hand I have none left to impudent brat. Speaking of having no honor, I also have no social relevance.

11:09 If you haven't noticed, I am I'm a bit of a loser bracket. Your star M. Yeah, a little down. I read this article like a year ago where they basically have scientifically proved that at the age of 27, people stop listening or caring caring about new music and they start thinking my music and my day was better which is really crazy to me because it's like you're nine years removed from high school and you're already like music these days and I have to say like I'm pretty much tipping into that realm now where I don't necessarily think that music is worse these days but I think the proliferation of like Spotify being a driving force behind people getting on charts where every week there is a new artist who has a number one single who has never charted before in history It's really hard to keep up with Trends nowadays. And so I look at this list of nominees from the Grammys and there are some recognizable names and their you know obviously I'm looking at record an album of the year right now, I'd like there's some Legacy people on here. There's Abba, you know I see a Bonnie Raitt song on here, Adele is showing up obviously, but when it comes to like some of the more contemporary artists, like I'm looking at it and I'm like, alright, I know Harry Styles and that's kind of about it right now though.

12:29 Look like I see a Taylor Swift. Yes lies. Oh yeah. All right. As you guys like peruse the list of nominees is there anybody that stands out to you? Or do you feel as out of touch and old as I do, I feel 100% out of touch and old, although one of my best friends, Matt Cowman. He introduced me to a rapper named Toby. No igwe. And he Is on the list for Best New Artist, there you go. I just saw his name was like, oh, I've listened to his music. Maybe, I'm not so long in the tooth anymore.

13:13 It's so good. I mean, you know, this sort of it all depends, right? Like, what's the Jack Harlow? Every now? And again, I like, I feel like I say I was in the Kendrick Lamar, but he's been around kind of forever now too, but but yeah, sort of tend to listen to a bit more country as well. So, It's like if I listened like Brandi Carlile and like you know, Chris Stapleton like they're putting out new music but it sounds old. So I don't know where that falls. Yeah yeah. I'm like I'm still perusing Best New Artist. I think I've heard of like two of these artists. Like it's crazy how quickly I went from feeling about like the top, 40 to completely out of the loop like old age, has caught up with me very quickly and I think that this episode has very abruptly gone from like let's talk about the Grammys to Bob's existential midlife crisis, but the Grammys are a really good indicator of that for me, apparently, Brad, let's steer out of this skid of not knowing anybody at the Grammys this year.

14:14 Let's talk about how this pertains to the filmin whiskey podcast because I thought Zach came up with just a brilliant idea. He said, you know, we want, we want to link it to the Grammys somehow. So what if we do a top 5 movie soundtracks or top 5 movie scores, and I am all about that. That. Yeah, I was gonna say the thing that always will help me. Stick with a movie longer than anything else. Is the music like if a movie has an incredible score, I'm 100% in. I don't know about you, Zach, but that's something that's always stuck out to me. Always always. And they're a little sort of background on me. My first two years of college, I was a music Major. And so I sort of was down going down that path for a long Kind of my life as an adolescent and young adult. And so music is always been one of those things that keep me into film especially you know we got to all grow up really lucky obviously with John Williams, which will talk about but also I feel like there was less of it at when we were growing up so it stood out more, you know, there are just fewer films that you know in the 90s even in the early 2000s as there are compared to now.

15:28 So you could really like hear something special or with stick with you and you would get the album or downloaded and you know, you actually I remember listening to soundtrack albums all the time and not just, you know, like the pop song side of it but like the orchestral side and then, you know, and so it was always a big part of me growing up and being attached to film was the music through the film. And, you know, there's so much. I mean, every genre, every style, like, you know, where do you want to begin? Where do you want to end? You know, we can I, you know, some Nuance in there that probably speaks to somebody. Yeah. And I'll say it, you know, today we're going to be getting into the scores and the soundtracks which bauble explain the difference in a second here.

16:10 But we're probably not going to talk about one of the most well, known forms of music and movies, which is musicals. But if you want to hear us talk about musicals we just did that like two weeks ago. Bob we sure did. Yeah, we were talking with Jared Dixon. Who is a spoiler alert. I guess now about to take on the role of Aaron Burr on Broadway. Way in Hamilton, and we did our top five movie musicals then. So yeah, we get to check that off the list a little bit. And that makes at least my list a little bit easier. So, we decided to let Brad dude, his top five movie scores. And I'm going to do my top 5 movies soundtracks. And I realized that as we were parsing this out a couple days ago.

16:50 Brad that you know the line between what is a score and what is a soundtrack is often blurred? I think people try to use those words interchangeably so maybe Should give like some definitions for what we mean by score versus soundtrack. Yeah, essentially a movie score is a primarily orchestral piece of work that, you know, moves throughout the movie and obviously there's individual tracks to the score. But its overall, you know, sound music that is played by an orchestra think Star Wars, right? The Star Wars theme song and all of the music and Star Wars is a orchestral score soundtrack.

17:33 Though would be Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, so like a soundtrack generally speaking is recorded music. That is then used in a movie and some music that came from outside the movie. Or it could be like, the original songs that they write for the movie. So, you know, one of the great soundtracks that it's not on my list, but we should talk about is Top Gun, right? And I heard, I read a lot of Articles this year about how the one thing top gun Maverick was lacking. The Top Gun had was a really great soundtrack. There were only I think two original songs in Top Gun Maverick whereas the original Top Gun is just like Kenny Loggins turn it up to 11 with danger zone and then you get Berlin with take my breath away like those are soundtrack songs but the the score the down Nana Nana Nana that's that's the score, it's the music that's written instrumentally to accompany what's on screen.

18:26 So soundtrack is things that come from outside the movie and the score is things that are written to accompany the movie. I guess. I hope that makes sense. But Brad and I are going to break down our top fives and then I think Zach also has a list. I don't know if it's like a mishmash of both but you're playing wild card here today my friend. Well yeah exactly. So I'm gonna throw some wild cards in there at the end and hopefully will be some good conversation because I can climb about music and film. I mean, what's not to love, right? Now again this is not meant to be some sort of like comprehensive the top five ever written kind of a thing. It's more. Just like these are our favorites / ones that we really appreciate and would like to talk about. So Brad, why don't you walk us through your top five first and we can critique you mercilessly while you go through it. I think you might have a hard time doing that, Bob. Alright, let's put it to the.

19:21 So I will say, I could easily put five John Williams movies here and just be done with it. Yeah. But I limited it to one movie franchise, which, which, I mean, I do mine from John Williams, but man, that's hard. Oh man. Well, we'll get there in a second. He's a little bit higher on the list than 5. So for my fifth pick, I went with who somebody who I think might be the second best composer to him. I went with Hans Zimmer for Interstellar. Nice. Okay. Okay, because I just think that the The work he did. I mean, he took like two years working with a famous organ in London to compose this soundtrack. And it's I don't know, does the music from Interstellar stick out to you guys.

20:13 In terms of all time, orchestral scores. I think it's one that people have really latched onto like especially from the last decade, obviously. I mean, it was only around for the last decade, but like there haven't been a lot of movie scores that have like, hit the zeitgeist. Geist in the last 10 years and I think people have really gotten into Hans Zimmer and people really like listening to Hans Zimmer while they study or whatever and listening to him, use the organ in a way that like the organ hadn't really been used in a long time. Yeah, I think Interstellar is definitely one of the most famous and popular scores of the last 10 years. Yeah. If I was going to pick another one from Hans, it probably would have been Gladiator that I think the score for gladiators killer. But that's that was a good one to study to College. Let me tell you, but I agree with you on Interstellar. I also think is one of the better Nolan soundtracks and that it was subtle and nuanced in a way that his other ones had 20, the big bombast someday, you'll sort of like it, like it like it like an early aughts action movie would have, which is fine in and of itself.

21:17 But Interstellar does have a timelessness to it, for sure. Yeah. Well that's my number five, number four. I am going to go way in the other direction. I'm going to choose. Mario, Mario Nelly With Pride and Prejudice. Wow. Okay. I just I've seen that movie one time. Now you have seen at one time Zach. Have You Ever Seen 2005's Pride and Prejudice? No, I have not. Is that the one with Keira Knightley it is. I've not seen that, I am I apologize. I know, I missed that one. It is incredible. I absolutely loved the movie and the music in. It is one of the largest reasons, why? Okay.

21:59 Wow, that's a hell of an endorsement I have nothing. Nothing further to add. I can't remember a single thing about this quarter that movie bread. Bob just go home. I mean I'm listen I'm trying here number three. You're going to like this one, a little better. Bob number three, I am going to go with ennio morricone, The Good the Bad and the area go, there it is, dude, the the sky Or as they are having their Showdown is simply the one of the most epic things to ever come out of an orchestra ever. And it just lives in my brain constantly. I tried to tell you, when we watched that movie, how good that scene is.

22:46 It's like, dude, it is so crazy because I feel like that movie builds for about 2 hours and 40 minutes to that one scene and it is like I met Brad, I forgive the use of the word here but It is like an orgasmic sequence of, just like, I have never had such a buildup of tension release, in such a cathartic way. During a movie, then like that scene works every single time. I watch it. It's insane. And how much of that is Americo. Knees Music. I do my gosh. Yeah, yep. It's just it, is that sort of it is kind of orchestral release in this weird Western way. I mean, it's such a it's also iconic. I mean it is one of Things that has become, you know? So parodied and also homage to a billion times over, and it is so much of our Zeitgeist.

23:37 Now that it is almost, I don't know. It's like you, it's like imprinted in our brain almost well, and not only that, but the opening theme song is like. If you think about an old western, that's the sauce like the whistling. That happens in your brain is is that I don't know how he did it but more Tony in this is it's one of the greatest scorers of all time hands down. Yeah, no argument from me man. Yeah, alright, so number one, and number two were so incredibly difficult for me because I think that like I said, I think John Williams is the greatest composer of all time, but I put them in my number two slot and I did it for the Star Wars franchise.

24:24 I'm not going to pick one movie because all of them are incredible, I think. That that's fair. Like at all of the little themes in the in the movie. Whether it's, you know, Han and Leia's Love Theme or the Tie Fighter fighting, no fighting the X-Wing battle music. He just knocks almost every single song out of the park, but I will say, I think my favorite Star Wars track is the fight scene from episode 3. Yeah, my god. Oh yeah, I love Duel of the Fates. It's Credible. But there's some, there's an emotional weight and gravity to that fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin and episode 3, that I think it might be one of Williams greatest scorers and I also think like, what's in a brilliant about Williams but the really about those scores is the prequels. Say what you will about them, the music doesn't suck ever know who like that is.

25:23 I mean, obviously special effects of time, blah blah. But the second and third. Episode 2 in episode three phenomenal soundtracks. Yep. Yeah. So that so, John Williams takes my number two spot. Bob, can you guess my number one? I have no idea. Like if you're not going to choose John Williams than I, I don't know. Once again I'll give you a little clue. It's not just one movie. It is a franchise a franchise and it's not John Williams. No, it's not is. It doesn't say Harry Potter. That's John Williams. I'm going to go Howard Shore. Lord of the Rings. 100% correct. Yeah if I know you, I was like this might be the end of our friendship.

26:08 We're always like, you know, we're always like top, five, slapstick, comedies, and Brad's like I'm gonna go with one of the scenes from The Shire in over the break. There's you got to weave Lord of the Rings in somehow? Yeah, I don't know, honestly. I think that you bring up Harry Potter, I think that Harry Potter is one of the greatest Integrations of music and, and World building. But I think that Howard Shore is the best. Like, like you literally cannot read Lord of the Rings. Think about Lord of the Rings. Like, you can't do anything but think about the music and I think that sure is did the best job of any director ever of creating a world through sound and I For me, Lord of the Rings is easily my favorite movie score. Yeah, I mean again, it became so indelible through the early aughts.

27:05 I mean, that was another one where you'd put that on. When you go for a run, you put that on if you need to get some work done, you put that on when you need to chill like it just becomes part of your life. Yeah. Yeah, man, I have no arguments. That's a good top 5 list Brad. Thanks man, I appreciate it. I I will open the door for you to critique me now because I'm doing top 5, movies, soundtracks and Zack. You kind of alluded to this a little bit. I really do miss the day's. First of all, where we would like go to the store and buy physical media, but I have a very vivid memory of being at like Kmart which dates me and and looking through the CD racks and there was The Forrest Gump soundtrack, which sold millions of copies. Like, it was like a multi-platinum album. Yeah.

27:53 And because it was so many songs, it was a to CD soundtrack. And so it came in that like extra thick, CD case, thick thick with to see before they learn to, like, build a case that you could stack CDs, they had like two separate cases that were bound together, man. I just have such vivid memories of like buying movie soundtracks because it was, you know, it was like somebody making a Tape for you of all the best songs from this era that went into this two-and-a-half-hour movie. I just kind of miss the days of the movie soundtrack. I mean, we just talked about it a few weeks ago, O Brother. Where Art Thou? Yeah. Like exactly. Like the soundtrack for that is incredible. And I think that is a really good point Brad because I started making my list and I realized there's different kinds of movie soundtracks. There's, you know, songs that are written just for that movie, there are songs that are You know, part of like a musical and I think O, Brother, Where Art Thou is kind of like in between those two where it's not quite a musical, but there's enough songs performed in the movie that were written for that movie, that you could kind of consider it a musical if you wanted to.

28:58 And then you've got ones like the Forrest Gump, soundtrack, which I would kind of call an anthology soundtrack. And I didn't really include one of those on my list because it's almost unfair. The Forrest Gump is a movie that spans like for decades and they're just like, hey, remember this song from the In 50s. Hey, remember the 60s CCR and Vietnam, and, like, you know, it's just, it's almost cheating to include 45 songs in soundtrack, because then it's like, well, of course, I'm gonna put Forrest Gump in there. And then there's also movies that I think do kind of what Forrest Gump did but they, they pick, you know, 30 songs that encapsulate one specific time instead of spanning 50 years or whatever. And I've got a couple of those on here and actually, that, that takes me to my number five, and my number four, number, Five. I'm going to go at the soundtrack to a movie that Brad did not care for that much, and that I love very dearly, and that is the movie Almost Famous.

29:52 I think then, Cameron Crowe's. I mean, came across as a musical genius. Like, he worked for Rolling Stone, everything else like he knows his deep, Led Zeppelin cuts and I really love some of the cuts that he puts on this soundtrack, you know, to play the movie off with Tangerine, is such a brilliant. Brilliant touch. I love the soundtrack to Almost Famous. Famous almost a good movie. The the whole reason everybody loves Tiny Dancer now is because of that movie and because of that cut, I mean that I'm sorry, that record I needle drop. Yeah, 100%. All right, okay, so it sounds like, no pushback yet. I'm going to plow ahead here. Number four, I'm going to go with the soundtrack to George, Lucas's, American Graffiti, which is another movie that I just watched again. I mean, I've seen that movie 10 times but I threw it on over the summer again to remind myself of like, what does a John Eames are John Williams, George Lucas movie. That isn't Star Wars like and I was just so impressed with how kind of like loose and Shaggy.

30:56 It reminded me so much of a recent movie by Paul Thomas Anderson called licorice pizza which I loved and I think that's such a great double pairing between those two movies and the soundtrack that 1950s soundtrack from American Graffiti is just like Banger after Banger. I absolutely love that movie and that soundtrack Yeah, I mean sort of I've not seen the movie that many times so maybe twice three times but I've actually listen to the soundtrack Whitworth, Maxine Mobility. Because at the time again, I had it on vinyl in the 80's 90's and because I had on Violet was you could put it on and it's like they said every track is something, you know, it's like having an oldies station on without the commercials.

31:37 Yeah. With want then you couldn't get radio without commercials so it was sort of like a brat. Anything any comment on American Graffiti? You know I watched American Graffiti when I was like 14 or 15. And I remember being confused, but enjoying it. Mmm. If that tells you anything about 15 year-old Brad's. So, you know, Cinema taste a lot of movie like, it's just a lot. Yeah. And so, but honestly the the soundtrack doesn't stick out to me. I don't remember it super well, but it is something I've wanted to return to sometimes. So this is just a good reminder that I need to get back on the American Graffiti. Train. All right number three is like Peak 90s for me. And when I say that, it's because in the 90s we did this thing with movie soundtracks where it was like we're not going to have anybody seeing in the movie but we're going to Outsource the songs to like the top 12, current artists in the world right now and they're all going to write a song and we're going to put it on the soundtrack and whether it's in the movie or not, no one cares.

32:39 Go buy the soundtrack. And, you know, I thought about doing it. What about Doug Batman Forever? Just so I could get Kiss From A Rose by Seal. But the rest of the soundtrack kind of sucks. So I went with one that I listened to, to this day and that is the soundtrack to 1996's Space Jam, which is truly. And honestly, Banger after Banger after Banger and some of the some of the bangers are more problematic than they used to be. So we're not going to talk about I believe I can fly but you've got you've got Basketball Jones with Chris Rock for some reason showing up, you've got the the title song. Welcome to the Space Jam. Like there's just so many great tracks on that soundtrack.

33:21 It never fails to pump me up, man. Salt-and-pepper Biz Markie. Yeah, I mean this is just, it's the greatest man and I still get seal because he's doing a remake of Fly, Like an Eagle on there. I don't think I knew that. Wow, yeah, I mean, that's another one I haven't thought about in a long time but that used to be a banger. Yeah. Alright, number two, Brad, it's one that I like my number two. And number one are very obvious but they're also, Deniable. And this is the kind of soundtrack that again, took over the world in the 1990s, but it's because it was entirely new music written for a Disney musical and that is 1994. The Lion King, a soundtrack, that owned my life for 89 years there.

34:04 And the great thing about The Lion King soundtrack is that you have the performances that you hear. In the movie, you know, you've got Nathan Lane and whoever played, Pumbaa, singing Hakuna Matata. And then you've got all the John versions were it's just Elton, John singing, those songs. And then they also have like four or five tracks of the Hans Zimmer's score in the original motion, picture soundtrack. Like it is just everything. You could possibly want to musically out of the Lion King is on that CD. Yeah. And it's short isn't it like it's a the movie was sure. So the soundtrack wasn't that long was it? Yeah I'm pretty sure that the soundtrack with all those additional tracks is like as long as the movie right. You know, I mean it's like it's like an hour and 20, you're in, you're out but you here. Five versions of Hakuna Matata.

34:48 And and that what more can you ask for? I actually have a vivid memory of seeing the, the trailer for The Lion. King. Like wait, you know, I can't remember which movie I was even seen but it was one with, we're Elton John's. Like Blake just comes in with that like amazing song and like you see all the animals going towards the sunshine, it was almost like a teaser and just being like wow back in those days, you know, back in the day was like, oh my God. Oh my God, is doing the Disney movies long? It was like a amazing. So you have to go see it. For that. Yeah. And that's the thing about like my number two, and number one is that I think sometimes when you want to appear, like not just cultured, but just like, oh, I'm in the know. You don't pick the obvious thing and, you know, I thought about talking about how back in like, 07, the soundtrack to Juno was like something that took over college campuses because it was like, here's how you can be quirky and have little ukulele covers of everything and it and that in itself became its own fat that everyone hates now. But like I thought about a movie like The Lion King and I'm like, I'm They really going to put the soundtrack to Juneau of all things on my list.

35:50 But over the freaking Lion King like it's just there's a reason that a million, you know, 10 million, people probably bought that album and it's because it's absolutely fantastic. And there's no denying it and I think the the prime example of that is my number one and it's going to give me an opportunity to talk about something. I've never talked about in this podcast Brad and that is Disco because it's Saturday Night Fever. Like holy cow one of one. Really, I think still to this day, one of the top 10 best-selling albums of all time. And here's the thing, I'm really glad people are finally starting to re-evaluate disco music. It took 40 years but over the last five years or so we've gotten a Bee Gees documentary people have like I think started to kind of adapt some more of those disco e sounds into their music Bruno. Mars did this for a little while. The thing is if you know your music history, then disco music is a natural progression out of the R&B. And soul that we had in the 1960s especially for Motown. And I think you know, the issue that a lot of people have with it is very similar to Brad.

36:53 What you and I have talked about with Elvis, like appropriating black music and the Bee Gees are these, you know, Australian guys doing it. But they made incredible music and when you listen to the grooves and how in the pocket these bands are, it's it's insanely good. You put on any one of those songs whether it's Night Fever whether it's How Deep Is Your Love or you know Staying Alive obviously. That album has I want to say that album had like six or seven. Number one hits on one album like it's an insane collection of tracks and there's a there's no denying it also. It has one of the greatest puns of all time in the title A Fifth of Beethoven. Yeah there's like come on.

37:37 That's just freaking killer dude. It's fantastic. I mean, that is an amazing film of its time, of course. I mean it's got some I don't think people also realize how crazy that film is and how dark it is. Yes. But also, I mean, going looking at the music purely, I mean you don't really love hip-hop in the same sense as a mainstream thing without the Sugar Hill game, which yep. Disco song. Yep, we're you know, these guys from New Jersey took his bronc sound and matched it with disco and made a massive hit worldwide where everyone listen to you know wrap for the first time in 1979 on a wide scale. And so you know and that kind of I was thing about that with Elvis as well because that's why I look the elbe soundtrack from baz, luhrmann's film because it kind of brought it all full circle by, you know, bad as like specifically going back to the Beale Street Community and the entity African-American community and being like, hey, let's take these songs and bring them back in again. And sort of, you know, find something new there, that was interesting.

38:41 All right, guys, it's time for Zach to blow the rest of us away. With what I'm sure is the best top five here, but hit us with your top, five Zak. So I'm gonna go a little of Best of Both Worlds. From both you guys. I'm actually going to start off with John Williams in the bottom slot of my top five and I got to go with Superman. Like it's this sort of like you say whatever you want about Zack Snyder. Superman. Movies, his biggest biggest mistake, what's not using John Williams score because that score is so iconic. If you watch those opening credits from the 1979 movie with, you know, the the names of Marlon Brando and Mario Puzo like Gino zooming through space and you're listening to this. It's like a grand March.

39:30 Yeah. From like the Wagner era and but it's also got this wonderful sci-fi aspect to it. And it's just John Williams being kind of weird too. Yeah. And kind of romantic and also it's just sort of earlier in his career. So he isn't quite as dialed into some of the repetition he has later in his career. Like if I'm going to go for a run like I'm going to put on Superman soundtrack. Yeah even Indiana Jones and I love Indiana Jones as you know especially the Raiders March. I mean that is one of my favorite of all time as well. But It's really that, you know that opening scene in Superman of just that I think even I admit this is Nostalgia as well. You know, born in that era.

40:16 I grew up with that movie. But it transcends and you know say what you will about the Superman Returns at least it had the good sense to you stronger for it. Yeah that's where I got to start this sort of in that I think Prime's you for where I'm going to go Bob we need to just do an episode on John Williams because like I was sitting here today listening to a bunch of his music and I'm just like weeping listening to Schindler's List. Oh good like his theme from that and I'm listening to Jurassic Park and just like just he just is incredible and we need to do an entire episode.

40:56 All here's what we'll do. I'll say right now we're going to bring Zack back on the show. We woke up. We will power rank. John Williams themes and like and I can't have separate lists. We all have to come up with one power ranked list. Now, can we can we put the Olympic theme song on the hell? Yeah. Okay. This man wrote a new song for the Olympics. Like, have you ever stopped to think about how crazy that is? Like, it's yes. Yes, I have, that's fantastic. I am. So and yeah. I like I said, I like, would I agree with Brad like I can Make a whole list, your top five and just struggling screaming. He's so part of our Lives.

41:37 Even if you're not an avid Cinema goer, you've heard his music at theme parks. You've heard it in TV. Commercials everyday life on the radio on your phone on. Somebody else's phone just in a bar. Whatever you've heard in music as part of your life. All right, Zack, let's do it now before. So go into my other sort of cinematic upbringing and I have to go with the Kubrick movie and Cooper took so much amazing stuff between the the synth and Clockwork, Orange and the Ridiculousness of The Shining soundtrack. But I'm a big eyes wide, shut fan. And I know that's a controversial Hill that I'm probably gonna die on. And part of why I love Eyes Wide Shut. Is the music in that film is just Phenomenal. It's Kubrick doing his absolutes. Best needle drops best work with Jocelyn puku to the soundtrack. And so, you know, the sort of we're organy sort of like chanting music.

42:37 You here is Tom Cruise's walking through the orgy, that's her writing the score, which is so unique. And then you have just, you know, Shostakovich showing up and grigor legit, hes, piano nonsense, you know, craziness and Mozart's Requiem as just the it the The whole thing comes together. So cohesively to tell this, you know, kind of New York fairytale story in a way that it really sticks out. I mean, just fairy tale. That's a pretty, pretty strong description of Eyes, Wide Shut. Well, you know, old school fairy tales are pretty dark. That's true. That's true.

43:18 That's true. I always do have to skip the orgy scenes when I'm reading Aesop to my six-year-old, the nerve. Touche. But, you know, it's just that one of the things like that, you know, I was in the, I guess I wasn't in the minority when it came out. People forget, when that movie came out, people loved it critics. Loved it was a huge hit like make tons and tons of money and in that it had is because of the Bilderberg cut as opposed to the Kubrick cut and blah blah blah. But still it's one of those movies were the music just stuck with you and it was parodied and it became part of the Zeitgeist. And you know you saw it on The Simpsons and blah blah blah but I just you know that that film's music just I feel. It's something that became a bigger part than the movie along.

44:09 Nice. All right, moving along number three. Yeah. And this is sort of a kind of feel like I can go really esoteric are but I'm a big fan of ringer Fassbender who is a very I don't want to say Avant Our but very eclectic. Yeah. Eclectic filmmaker he was the sort of person he made like you know, 70 films in 30 years or 20 years or something. You make like two or three films a year. He just had this machine going in Berlin and in Germany that was just like, boom, boom, boom. He could make someone's back to back to back and then back and a very utilitarian, very socialist, minded anarchic.

44:49 But also HEPA to mainstream stuff that he did Berlin alexanderplatz in 1980, which was this big mini-series on TV. So it wasn't like only doing, you know, you know, Casa fetty's level, you know, weird plays on film. He was doing everything, a lot of social commentary, of course of time. But one of the films that I've sort of Love is actually a TV movie is called Balby Al and it's a Fassbender doing Bertolt brecht and the composer and soundtrack is Volker, slow and off and it's this sort of music just type in Bal 1970, soundtrack. When you go On YouTube, everybody and press play. And you'll see where Tarantino got all of his inspiration.

45:31 For his early films, like Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction because it is that funky 1970 thing where you know there's kind of like this dude who smoked too much cigarettes kind of singing. Klemper jazz music over like funky 70s stuff and it's just one of those things where it's at You feel the value of Fassbender and his Machinery of filmmaking come through in the film, nerds who started making films based on the 70s? I can just see, like, all of the analytics department at YouTube being like, why are these people searching for Val 1970? Soundtrack of Simply, ha, ha ha, and where'd this come from? But also in general, like strainer Fassbender made so many Me films that, you know, some of them were again, very esoteric. Some of them work, let you know some of them are mainstream so, you know, just look ringer.

46:29 Fassbender in general, is sort of like this slot is more for him than any specific soundtrack. Just look up right here. Fassbender watches movies Zach. I know, literally nothing about Rainier Fassbender, besides what you have just told us. However, I did Google him and upon looking at the first two pictures that came up. I have decided that You like him because I think you kind of look like him or I think you guys have a similar Vibe. Yeah, I definitely Had My Moments where I was a yeah, I know what you mean. Especially, I mean, I lived in Berlin for 14 years. So there's a you know connection there as well, but he's a he's a fascinating fascinating filmmaker, you know, sort of Just nobody has sense or even before been able to create as much as he did, and obviously, he burned out crash pretty hard, but when you're making three or four movies a year, that's going to happen, but it's just fascinating stuff. So indicative of time and era but also completely Universal in its themes and messages, you know. Yeah.

47:39 I don't think people understand what all goes into making a movie. Like I always encourage people to To watch the entirety of the credits for Lord of the Rings great and just like think about how many names are on that list to make those movies. But the idea of making three to four movies a year is just mind-boggling to me. That that is insane. Yeah. I mean, he had a hell of a crew and he had a hell of a drive but it's sort of That's sort of. Again, you just got to go and dig in and sort of find because you will. He made so much, you will find a Groove where it kind of like, okay, I get the sky now and he'll do something abstract.

48:20 Like I don't get this guy anymore, you got a pig like a year off and go and come back. Go back towards and being like, okay, let's try this again. All right, we've got two more from Zach. Let's let's hear your top two. Um so I'm actually this is going to date me. And I mean, I grew up in Seattle and like late 80s, early 90s as when I sort of came to be who I was. So this is actually Keen us back into the Grammys as well, because a nominee, this year, for scoring soundtrack for visual media as the Grammys call. It was the Michael giacchino soundtrack for the Batman. Oh, nice. And the reason I love that soundtrack is because it's all based on, uh, Nirvana song that drives the score. Which is a throwback to especially seventies and eighties movies where, you know, you watch like Officer and a Gentleman.

49:13 And the score is basically just teasing you, Joe, Cocker and Lindros that at the end up where we belong, but, you know, and that's the same thing that Michael giacchino did with something in the way, you know, obviously coming in early in the field but then teasing out the soundtrack, the whole way through which is an old concept That You Don't See as much anymore. Like you don't really see like Like even if you look at a musical, Like A Star is Born like shallow, isn't the soundtrack? That's teased out throughout that film, right? It's just a small game, the film. And I just, I mean, I just thought like bat the Batman's, my favorite movie or anything. But I really, really enjoyed that soundtrack because I used nirvana, in a way that just hit me in the feels. I love that.

49:57 Yeah, and Brad. I don't, we haven't talked about the Batman at all yet, but it's nice to see. Giacchino getting some love here, he's just like He might be the best working composer today, everything from, you know, the Pixar when he did up that that theme from a pop that everyone always quotes is. Let mean it's just brilliant stuff, man. Yes. And I mean, it's sort of like how could he not win the Grammy for that? I mean, and just his work in general, I mean, listen the Ratatouille soundtrack. Yeah, listen. Exactly. To perform listen to Coco, man. Like listening wouldn't try not to cry and that's him. Yep, you know that Bob has a Great story about crying during Coco but we'll get to that to another day. Yeah, don't we all?

50:40 Yeah, right. All right, you got one more left, man. We've been, we've been teasing it for a while here. So hit us with your number one and, you know, it's sort of, I don't know, man. I like there's so many I wanted to do like I was going to put any other at the top but you know it was sort of like that's that's you know, Brad that way too well. So I'm actually going to go kind of postmodern with PT a movie called The Robie were blurred and Jonny Greenwood nice. And that again, Petey Anders are Paul Thomas Anderson, has always had an Eclectic sense with soundtracks, whether you know, it's Punch-Drunk with that and you know, they're not to have the sort of like giving you a heart attack while you watch the movie. We've mentioned licorice, pizza in the needle drops and matter phenomenal.

51:30 But I kind of feel like he hit the peak with There Will Be Blood because Jonny Greenwood somehow Ow takes the depravity of that early Doggy Dogg capitalism and kind of pulls the strings of the violin and the cello like through your soul extra watching, you know, Henry plain view in the Peachtree. Two halves and the you know the just all his just angst and anger but also like The the love that's there. And like, you know, when you re watch that movie, it could almost be a silent film just with his score percent. Because you know, the dialogue is there and it's, there's nothing wrong with dialogue. It's not like it's, you know, the Adolescent or anything like that.

52:16 But the dialogue is so sparse and just Daniel Day-Lewis his performance. And also the, I'm so sorry, I forgot the kid's name and place his son. His performance is so good. But when they, when he tries to burn the cottage down and he saw Chase is about but he still so drunk. You can't chase them when he stops and he leans over and you hear the firing you, you're a little bit of music when he starts running after him again and they go behind the bush and it's just sort of, you know, it's just for me an excellent score and it's also I mean, Johnny Corey wouldn't, I mean, Johnny Green, what's going to probably make some good music, given, where he comes from a pedigree there. But It's another one of those things like we could just talk about PTA scores and ranking his movies music. But I do kind of feel like There Will Be Blood is the most like stick with you.

53:05 Yeah I mean we talked about it when we did our episode on There Will Be Blood, there is there's something to how just unsettling an eerie and dissonant and discordant music is and and they know when to use it and went to make it be completely silent and you know, the The incident at the end of the movie, that gives it. Its title has no score underneath it. And I think that a filmmaker that knows when to use music to its fullest effect and that sometimes not having any music is using music to its fullest effect. I mean, it's really is a match made in heaven between those two and I think it's a great pick for number one man. Yeah, it is sort of plays a little bit of a marsh, my other one of my other favorites.

53:47 First, we'll Kubrick would see The Shining where you have those like out of nowhere, like, string streak free, Shouldn't you know? And you're like, oh what up? What's about to happen? Yeah. All right everybody. There you have it. We've got top five, soundtracks, top five scores and Zacks. I mean, like, grad level syllabus on really cool stuff to listen to. I really look forward to checking out some of those because I haven't heard all of them Brad once again this has been an enlightening conversation with our friend Zack. Johnston. Yeah I am genuinely so so excited to have him. Back on to talk some John Williams, that that will be an incredible episode but Zach, thank you so much for coming on today, man.

54:30 I'm excited to try some of this whiskey as soon as mom gets it to me. But well gentlemen, I can't thank you enough and it's as always wonderful conversation. Yeah, make sure to check out the Grammys they're coming. This Sunday February 5th, 8:30 p.m. on CBS, make sure to check out Nashville barrel company. I know, I will be this is some phenomenal stuff Brad, I can't wait for you to share. Her sit with me. Yeah, and also make sure that you keep reading Zach. Johnston, he is the drinks editor, over it up rocks and just continually pumps out, incredible articles about the world of whiskey. Thank you guys, I appreciate that. Alright, we will be back on Monday with another regularly scheduled episode but until then I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and we'll see you next time. Oh, there you go.

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