Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind / Jack Daniel's Single Barrel Select Barrel Proof

0:00 Robots radio presents. In 2004 director, Michel gondry and star. Jim Carrey explored, the mystery of memories in 2020. We return to Tennessee for a top-shelf offering. The film is the Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless. Mind the whiskey is Jack Daniels, single barrel. Barrel proof select and we'll review them both. This is the film and whiskey podcast. Welcome to the film and whiskey podcast, where each week, we review a classic movie and a glass of whiskey. I'm Bob book, I'm gonna need to get into the whiskey right now if I'm gonna get through this episode. Oh dang.

0:57 Oh dang! What's your name sir? I'm Brad G. And this week, we are looking at the And for film Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind glucose. How happy is the blameless vestals lat The world forgetting by the world for God. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Each prayer accepted and each wish resign haven't heard that one, it's lovely.

1:39 I just thought it would be appropriate, Maybe Brad. It sounds like I can already tell that you did not like this movie. And before you even answer me, I want to give a little background about our podcast. Maybe this is the first time you've ever tuned in to the film and whiskey podcast. The whole conceit of this podcast is that I grew up watching tons and tons of movies. I'm a huge movie nerd. My friend, Brad has watched a lot of movies in his day but he hasn't seen most of the movies that were going to watch on this podcast because I created a list of films that I think every film lover should watch, whether they're good or they end up. Being something that you don't like. And so we're kind of putting Brad through the ringer as we watch all of these movies. And one of the films that I purposely put on this list was 2004's, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Brad initial reactions.

2:29 Well, you did not like this movie, first off, I want to say that. You make it sound like I'm an uncultured swine. And I just want to ride, just want to remind filmin, whiskey nation that I gave the Tree of Life, a nine and a half hour, Out of 10. So it's funny you say that Brad because this movie that we're reviewing. Today is actually one of I'd say like five movies on the whole list that I have been most excited to hear what you think about. Not that I thought you were going to like it necessarily but when we did the tree of life it was like our eighth episode ever. I think and I was like Brad is going to hate this movie with a burning passion and over the course of that episode. We really hashed out some of like the the deeper themes of that movie and you And it came to a place where you were like, okay I am okay with this like really artsy Cinema and ever since that movie I've never really been able to predict what you're going to think of some of the films on this list and so Eternal Sunshine is one of these ones that I was like, it's out there.

3:29 It's surreal, it's funny at Parts. It's really sad and depressing, and a downer at Parts. Brad might love this movie, or he might really, really hate this movie. So, I'm excited to talk about it today. Brad Bob, I have two things to say. Say to all that first off, I'm glad there's still some mystery in our relationship. I agree. Second off. I think, my biggest frustration with this movie, and this is honestly, like, my biggest indictment, is that it's just boring, it's not an entertaining film in any way. It doesn't cause me to think more deeply about the world around me. It's just kind of a boring movie. That doesn't really take me anywhere and I get to the final In the movie and in my head I'm just thinking to myself man. If they just had open conversations during their relationship, they would have been able to avoid all this crap.

4:23 Yes, that's the brat. Ha ha, ha. All right, we're going to get into it because I think you're missing the point of the movie already. But before we get there, we got to go to one of our standard segments. Our favorite segment, which is called, Brad explains. And this is where Brad breaks down the plot of the movie that he's just watched sometimes for the first time. Right. I'm going to ask you to refrain as much as possible from giving us a snarky Braddock's planes but please walk us through the plot of this movie as best as you can. The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless, Mind is a movie about two. People played by Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet who have had a I would say a few years long relationship, they don't really give an exact timeline, but it seems like they've dated for a few years and they have a bad.

5:13 Break up. And after this break up, Kate Winslet who's a bit of an impulsive, you know, decision-maker decides to erase her memory completely of Jim Carrey. And in doing this, Jim Carrey runs into her realizes that she has no memory of him with the help of some friends. And he decides to also erase his entire memory of her. But in the process of having his memory erased, he realizes that he doesn't Want to forget her. And so he tries to hide her in the recesses of his mind in old old memories of him as a child or a teenager.

5:53 And through this process, he begins to know her more. He gets to know her better and by the end of it he is able to implant a bit of her in his brain so that he can reconnect with her in the real world. They reconnect realize that there's a need for open communication and We at the end of the movie, they resumed their relationship. That was a really good summary of the movie. Brad, thank you for breaking that down, like that. Thanks, man. I just, I just want you to know that I actually do. Watch these movies. I'm really glad to hear that. I'm glad I'm not the only one. So this movie comes out in 2004, it's released by Focus Features if you that sounds familiar to you, it's because, well, a there are major producer of indie films but also because just a few weeks ago, we talked about Lost in Translation which was also a movie that was released. East by Focus Features just a year before and I do see like a lot of similarities in what you're talking about Brad and how this movie, it definitely takes its time. Like its it has a rhythm of its own it's definitely like there's some parts where it's cut really quickly. There are other parts where it's kind of jumping around in time and you're not sure what's going on, but it's unconcerned with the rhythms I think and I couldn't help but think about some of the comparisons to Lost in Translation because that was a really apparently very popular in Movie from the early 2000s and I think this one is even more. So I think in my experience might just be unique or like an anecdote or whatever, but I think if you asked around to people our age, this is one of

7:25 those movies that it wasn't a huge success at the box office, but like everyone I know of a certain age has seen this movie. It seems like and it seems to have really resonated with people in our age group. Brad, I don't know. Where are you familiar with this movie before you watched it? This Time around? Yeah, I had heard of the movie, you know. It's been on Netflix for a little while. I don't think it's on there anymore but it's one of those movies that I saw previews of and I was like oh, that looks kind of interesting. Like the idea of a racing somebody completely from your memory. That is an intriguing premise. So yeah, sure, I'd heard of it. I knew the premise and I was intrigued by it, but then I watched it and I realized that it's just not a good move. All right, so we're going to get into that in a second but I want my first point against you to be this Brad, I'm really surprised that you were bored by the movie. I think if anything I was expecting to say like I was confused by the way, it jumps around in time or I didn't like the sort of surrealistic elements to it. This movie was written by a guy named Charlie Kaufman, who has become a really famous writer in Hollywood. He only produces, you know, a script every few years and they're always these really trippy mind-bending, kind of movies.

8:42 He first became really famous for his script for the movie, Being John, Malkovich back in 99. And then he did adaptation which one some Oscars and then he did this movie and this is probably I'd say to this day, his most famous and probably his most well-regarded script. And it really is a mind Bender of a movie. When you think about just like the plot of the film you're inside of, somebody's mind watching his memories play out and all you get to know about his relationship. This girl Clementine is played through the memories that you're watching, fall, apart around them because the memories are being erased. And so, sometimes the characters in The Memories play out, like people in a memory would, and then all of a sudden, they'll kind of become autonomous and they'll realize, oh, this memories disappearing.

9:30 We have to run away and it's just this really crazy, trippy surreal movie for a good portion of the film. And so I'm kind of surprised Brad that you would say that you were bored with it. So, like, fill me in a little B, YY. What board you about this film, honestly, like the tricks and, you know, things that they use to keep your attention. Had nothing to do with the plot in my mind. Like the plot of this movie is that two? People weren't super well suited for one another and they didn't communicate well and so they broke up with each other. Like, that's normal life. That's okay. And I just watched this movie and throughout the entire thing as they delve into his memory, And you also see the, you know, the people who do the memory, deleting you see a little bit into their lives and what they're all about. I just wasn't interested.

10:23 The start of the movie. You know. You see the two of them interacting and very quickly I realized. Oh, that's like at the end of the movie chronologically speaking, even though they showed a start. So like I realized right away that that they were messing with the timeline as far as what the audience was seeing. So, I honestly for Me the movie was just two people who don't communicate well. And that's not very interesting to me, you know, oh, Jim Carrey's edgy, because he has some mental issues. And oh, Kate Winslet is edgy because she's super needy and impulsive and dyes her hair different colors. That that that's not interesting. To me, it doesn't have any Allure for me.

11:04 It doesn't draw me in and so the whole movie was just watching them, the kind of ridiculous and it didn't feel like there was any sense of growth Didn't the characters? Wow, I'm really surprised that you say like, I feel like I can get on board with like, some of what you say and then you say something else, like, I'm really shocked that you say something like there wasn't any growth in the characters because even though, like you hit the nail on the head, the movie is about people that don't communicate with each other. And I think it's a commentary on how we all have terrible memories. And we all have things in our lives, that we regret it. Maybe that is something like a bad relationship. You know, someone dying. Someone leaving us and I think What Charlie Kaufman's trying to say with the script is just like it's better for us to have the hurt. It's better for us to have the regret and it's better for us to have the memories because that helps us grow and that helps us become better people and I think you're absolutely right Brad. At the end of the film, they get back together. And so the whole, the whole point of the movie is, like the memory eraser thing didn't work in general, and you can't delete somebody from your life.

12:07 And I actually think this movie is way more pertinent now than it was even 15 years ago when it Now because, you know, now we have social media and now it's really easy to block somebody and literally delete them from existence on social media in your eyes with the tap of a finger. And I think this movie has a lot to say to 2020. Yeah, hmm. Honestly, I look at the way the movie ended and I go I don't think these two people should be together and and that's a big struggle for me. They're not good for one another and I go. Oh, Well, you guys got back together, great, good for you but like did you actually learn anything because in the end the whole movie is in Jim Carrey's brain.

12:52 You know Clementine didn't learn any of the lessons that he really learned and so I just feel like they are not a good couple and shouldn't be together and sure you learned the lesson of like you can't just delete people from your life that they're still emotional scarring, from who they are. But was it? What was it worth it? But was it worth it? Yeah, so I'm really happy you say that Brad because I think for me this is why this movie is brilliant because I think there's two ways to interpret the ending. I think there's the really romantic way to interpret the ending and that final scene, you get between Joel and Clementine in the hallway when she says stuff. Like I'm Gonna Let You down, I'm gonna I'm gonna hurt your feelings, we're gonna be right back here again and he just Shrugged his shoulders and says, okay. I'm not perfect.

13:40 I can't see anything that I don't like about you but you were a kid but you will you know, you will think of things and I'll get bored with you and feel trapped because that's what happens with me. Okay. Okay, okay, I think that's a really beautiful sentiment and that's what it kind of means to be in a relationship. Yeah, I'm on board for that. I'm signing up for the fact that we're not going to be perfect. And we are going to hurt each other and I think when you read the movie through the really romantic lens, it's like, wow. Wow, Joel was able to overcome the Erasure of his memory to find this person again and you read the movie and it's like, wow, they're destined to be together. There's like this element of fate or destiny involved that they just happen to find each other again and decide to get together again.

14:44 The other way to read the ending of the movie is like, okay, but maybe they really aren't supposed to be together. Maybe they really are bad for each other. And I think you get that in the fact that like, like you said, Brad, you only see Clementine through Joel's point of view. And you also don't see Clementine like trying to hide Joel in her memory. The only person as far as the movie tells us that has ever fought back against the procedure happening, is Joel. So maybe Joel just loves Clementine way more than than she loves him. And I think the very last shot of the movie Echoes this because it's a shot of them kind of running through the snow, and the director Michel gondry, does this really brilliant thing where he plays that same thing, three times again and the suggestion is like, maybe they go Through this again and again and again and when you read it through that lens it's like oh man maybe this is really just a doomed relationship, but I think either way you read it Brad. You still have to see it through the lens of like it's better to have the hurt.

15:42 It's better to have the memory than to think that you can just like delete it out of your life Sian. I read it completely differently to me. It feels like when at the end of the movie, when she says, I'm going to hurt you, I'm going to do these things. It feels like with the Play the movie ends with the repetition, it feels like she's just going to do these things over and over and over again. And she's not taking responsibility for these things. I think it's okay for us as human beings to say, Hey you hurt me. I would prefer if you didn't do that again. Now is their Grace and love and understanding if they do hurt you again. Yes. But at some point you have to say like, is this really worth it? Is it worth my emotional pain and scarring and suffering to continue.

16:28 You to subject myself to this person hurting me over and over and over again. And the answer is no at a certain point if that person is not willing to change in any way then, no, they're not worth your time and you should leave them to me. It just felt like she was saying, well I'm gonna be myself, I'm impulsive C'est La Vie and that that just annoyed the heck out of me, because I'm like, Joel you deserve more than that you deserve somebody. Who says, I understand that the way I've acted has hurt you. And I'm sorry and I know that my actions have had consequences in your life, and I'm going to try to change.

17:09 I'm going to try to become better for you and I just don't feel like there's any sense of that in this movie. It feels like to me. She's just saying, well, I guess I'm gonna be who I am. So, I've tried to think of, like, Parallels for this movie, other movies that are kind of similar to it, in a sense, and it's hard, To do. Because I really think this is a very unique movie, both in the concept and in the way that it's executed on screen, I think the closest movie to this, that kind of gets at the same theme would be this movie called her that came out a couple years ago with Joaquin, Phoenix, it's a movie that I hope we get to someday on the podcast. But in terms of movies, we've seen, I think there's two movies that we could kind of draw parallels to. And one would be Lost in Translation, which we already mentioned.

17:53 It's these feelings of isolation and loneliness, it's got these kind of quirky, indie movie. From the early 2000s and then the other one would be 500 Days of Summer. I mean, I think just on an obvious level, it's a movie about kind of a doomed relationship. It's a movie where you're seeing everything from the guy's point of view. And so you get kind of really complicated emotions towards the female because is she being vilified? Are we actually seeing an accurate representation of her? Is everything skewed, Brad? I want to hear what your thoughts are on how this movie kind of relates to 500 Days of Summer. In your mind. Do you see similarities? He's or is it really different to you? Honestly, I feel like those two movies are very different because with 500 Days of Summer, you see Joseph Gordon-Levitt trying to move on and process what he's gone through whereas in this movie it feels like Joel you know played by Jim Carrey just as continually trying to find ways to hold on to the good aspects of Clementine while forgetting the bad aspects.

18:55 And so to me it feels like a very different emotional movie where 500 Days of Summer is genuinely searching for closure and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless. Mind just feels like it's trying to ignore the problems and hold on to what is good. But all right, listen, we need to take a break here soon. And I don't want to get a, I don't want to like spark a real argument here but Brad, I feel like you're actually picking up on a ton of what this movie is supposed to convey and I guess my confusion is like, you see it? But why does that make it a bad movie? Like I absolutely agree with everything you just said about how it's not really about closure, but how it is open-ended and how, you know, maybe Joel does deserve better and he's making a bad choice but like why can't we have a movie that depicts those things?

19:47 Like, why does a movie have to have closure? Why does the movie have to have a happy ending? I I think like, I think what this movie does is really, really brilliant. And it's done well and I guess I'm still struggling. With, why you think that it's poorly made? I think it's just feels gimmicky to me the, the whole mind memory Erasure thing feels gimmicky, because it's so far fetched from reality. That the, the whole movie is just kind of dumb. All right. All right, we need to drink some whiskey because I'm feeling personally attacked at this point. So high, I mean, go ahead.

20:27 I mean, I hate to say it but it's a similar sense of how I felt about Gone With the Wind. You know you were talking about movies that this reminds you of honestly this movie kind of reminds me of Gone With the Wind, this melodramatic way, over-the-top ridiculous, telling of a story that's just unnecessary. I don't enjoy it. And anyway dude, you are like a hot take machine. Today I need to just pull audio clips out of this episode and Justin Infuriate fans of every movie. Every one's ever, loved except Star Wars. It's only when you still like, apparently, I'm just being honest with you. Bob, this is how I feel about this movie. All right, man, let's take a break. Let's try this.

21:10 Jack Daniels single barrel select so that I can feel myself to get through the rest of this episode. What do you say? Let's get to it.

21:56 All right. So today we are checking out Jack Daniels single barrel barrel proof select that is a absolute mouthful to say. It really is about. I hope I got it right that time. Now this was a sample that was sent to us by our friend. Chris Blattner, at Urban bourbon missed on Instagram. If your listener longtime listener to the podcast, you will recognize that name. Chris has been sending us tons of samples to try and we are just eternally grateful for how many samples he's been sending us. So first of all, Urban bourbon Heist, thank you so much for the Jack Daniels. Yeah, Chris we are so thankful for you. I absolutely love. Listen to your live broadcast on Instagram, your informative, your fun, and we're just so thankful that you are a friend of the podcast.

22:39 So when it comes to this Jack Daniels Brad and I still haven't actually tried on air Jack Daniels, you know, standard Black, Label Tennessee, whiskey last season. We tried gentlemen, gentlemen. Which we both liked quite a bit. And so this is the second that we're trying in the Jack Daniels line. Now, this is as the name says a single barrel. Now I am pulling the information for this whiskey off of one of my favorite bourbon sites called breaking bourbon. They do bourbon reviews and they are super informative. And this is what they have to say about Single Barrel. Select after distillation Jack, Daniel's Tennessee, whiskey undergoes, what's referred to as the Lincoln County process. They allow it their whiskey, to drip for For six days in 10-foot Vats passing through charcoal that was made by burning maple wood that had been impregnated with 140, Proof Jack Daniels whiskey before being put into new, charred Oak barrels, and aged for an estimated for 27 years so they basically turbocharged their whiskey as it goes into the barrel. And then what we're getting here is somewhere between four and seven years in age.

23:42 This comes out of one barrel and Brad. I'm not going to shit share. What the proof is yet because I want you to take a taste of this and tell me what? You think the proof might be? But before we get there, let's take a sniff a little smell here. And say, what we think about the nose of this single barrel select. Well, honestly Baba, I feel like regular Jack is known for the burn that it has going down. And so it makes me nervous to think about a barrel proof version of such a whiskey me to my friend, but tell me about the nose on this, you know, I do feel like I'm getting those similar Jack Daniels notes, you know, there's Some vanilla on here. It's okey.

24:23 It does remind me of normal Jack Daniels. Yeah, I mean, people like to split hairs about the difference between Tennessee, whiskey and bourbon, and it really is just that charcoal filtering that makes the difference. This just smells like a phenomenal bourbon. I actually really love the nose on this Brad. It has really, really dark bourbon denotes. I'm not getting a lot of vanilla, but I am getting like a ton of brown sugar. Like, it really just smells like, someone is, is caramelizing. Something with brown sugar? And a bunch of maple syrup. It is like this really great dark Sweet, Maple bomb and a little bit of like a banana. It's just super sweet and I'm really excited to try it Brad. I think I'm going to give this a nine out of ten. On the nose.

25:04 Holy crap. Bob, that's a really high score. Yeah I love the nose on this man. Yeah I am worried because I'm getting a ton of ethanol on this nose and it reminds me of other Barrel proof whiskies that just destroys your palate when you drink them. I'm honestly not noticing very many notes that you are. And so I'm going to give it a six out of ten on the nose. I'm nervous about this one. All right, well, let's give it a taste and see if your nerves continue. Wow. My tongue is tingly.

25:48 That's actually a really good word for what's going on when you take a sip of this. Yeah, I will say beginners tip for drinking Barrel proof bourbon. Give yourself a good deep breath. Before you take a sip, it kind of prepares you so that you don't need to breathe really quickly, right after you take a sip, which can kind of mess up the process. So, take a nice deep breath. Give it a second, take a sip of that whiskey. Otherwise it can go down the wrong pipe. Ruined the rest of the drink for you. This one is interesting. I'm noticing those Maple notes that you're talking about. Those came out pretty strongly but outside of that I feel like I got a little bit of vanilla but it's mostly tingly.

26:32 This is a very high proof whiskey and Bob I'm going to wager a guess that this is the highest proof whiskey we've ever had on the podcast. So Brad as we're talking, I'm actually messaging with Urban bourbon missed on Instagram because I wanted to get some feedback from him. On what it is we're drinking right now because when I looked on the Jack Daniels website, it said that the Single Barrel select was actually only 94 proof and I drank this and this is like this is like beating me up from the inside and I'm like there is no way. This is 94 proof, how is that possible? And he's confirming to me. Now this is in fact, a barrel proof version of The Single Barrel select because I thought that I was just like way out there and Brad. You're actually really, really close to being correct. I'm not sure if it's the highest one we've ever had, but it's darn near close.

27:22 This thing is clocking in at a hundred and twenty nine point, six proof, holy crap. Yeah, this is a heck of a whiskey as far as the alcohol proof and I will say I'm impressed that the high proof is not destroying the flavor, but I Don't give it the credit to say that it has tons of flavor. I'm really struggling to pick up different notes because my tongue is just getting destroyed by this, not in a negative way, but it's a bit of a struggle to get past that ethanol. Yeah, man, I'm not gonna lie. It's destroying my tongue in a negative way. This is like, it's very spicy tingly. The really good word and then you go to swallow it. And it's like it's hanging around and it's almost like it's forming like a block in My chest. It's just not going away.

28:14 There's not a lot of actual taste on this. That's the thing that's really bothering me after that. Really sweet really great knows. It's sweet but it's not distinctive. It just kind of tastes a little sugary and then there's no subtlety to it. There's no flavor that lingers. It just burns a lot. I'm going to give it a 5 on the taste. I think I'll give it a six and a half on taste because I was so nervous about it up front. I actually think there's more tastier than I thought there would be And honestly to make a bottle of whiskey that has such a high alcohol content and still have flavor. I'm a little bit impressed. So I will give it a six and a half but that doesn't mean it has tons of flavor. All right, so that takes us to finish and I've already been saying like the finish on this.

29:03 It's not just a Kentucky hug. It's like a Kentucky vice-grip, I don't know. Like it's it's really, really hurting my chest. Just I am not a huge fan of the finish on this Brad but you're right, I mean, at such a high proof. It's like, what do you expect? I'm really happy to find out. This is not 94 proof because I was, I was thinking I was crazy. So at 130 proof, I guess I'll give it a 5 on the Finish. You know what, Bob, I'm gonna I'm gonna change my score. The more I take sips of this, the more, I like the taste the taste on its initial introduction to my palate is almost like honey, it it's warm. It's a maple. I'm actually going to up my score to a seven and a half on this for the taste.

29:47 I'm growing on this whiskey and the Finish isn't too terrible. It's definitely strong from an alcohol standpoint but I think I'm still getting those notes of maple that you talked about. I'm still getting those notes of honey. From the the opening taste, I'm actually a little bit impressed with this. I'm gonna give it a seven and a half on the Finish as well. Wow. Yeah, we're going to be very far off on this one today. Okay, overall balance knows taste and finished put together. I don't think this is very well balanced. I thought that the nose betrayed me a little bit. It wasn't as sweet as the no suggested and it actually ended up being much much stronger than I thought. The nose suggested Brad, you picked up on that ethanol, where I didn't, I'm going to give it a, I'll stick with the five.

30:30 Again. I'm gonna go with a 5 on overall balance. Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm Gonna Keep in the vein. It's a seven and a half on the balance for me. I think that it's well balanced. I noticed the ethanol up front and I wasn't Pointed. I was surprised by how much flavor they were able to pack in with such a strong, alcoholic punch. All right? And that takes us to Value. If you look online at some of the online retailers, they're obviously going to be a little bit more expensive. I see it listed for 7999 online. The cheapest one I see is 64 99. So Brad, let's just say that given wherever you might be in the United States. If we tried to kind of average out all the prices, you might see I Think we should stick it like a sixty five dollar price point for this.

31:15 It is Single Barrel. It is Barrel proof. It is from the most famous whiskey maker in the United States. I'm not surprised by the price on this, but man, if I didn't find this, to be just aggressively harsh and not very pleasant and I don't think I would ever pay $65 for this. So it's like, while I understand the price, I wouldn't buy it for myself. And so again, I think I'm just going to give it a 5 on So Bob I'm actually going to give this a six and a half on on value and if I had not ever drank the Elijah, Craig Barrel proof. Then I might be giving this a higher score on value, but the Elijah Craig is a 60 dollar bottle, and that is probably the best Barrel proof I've ever had. And so, with that being said, you know, 65 to 70 dollars for the Jack Daniels.

32:04 I think this is actually pretty good, and if I had somebody who was like, hey Brad, I want to know more about Barrel, proof whiskeys, what should I I try, I would suggest this to them so $65 isn't terrible. It's a little bit overpriced but I'll still give this a six-and-a-half on value. All right, so that's bringing me out to a 29 out of 50. I'm okay with that score. I don't really care for this. It's just a little bit too harsh for me, but I think it's still fair. I don't think it's a poorly made whiskey. It's just, the proof is is a little too high for me. Yeah, I that's bringing me out to a 35 out of 50 Bob. I actually I'm pretty daggone impressed with this Jack Daniels.

32:46 It's so much deeper than their traditional offering, and its flavor and its profile. I'm really impressed right now. Alright, so that brings us to an average of a 32 out of 50 or a 64 out of 100, which I think is a pretty fair score for this Brad. I'm sure you'd probably like it to be a bit higher. I'm okay, where it's at? I do want to say again, thank you so much. Urban bourbon nest for sending us a sample of this. This is, you know, your Thing is Whiskey's that we probably would never get the chance to try otherwise. So we are just so grateful to have this in our glasses tonight. Yeah. Chris thank you so much man. Like it's so awesome that we have this amazing community of whiskey lovers out there.

33:27 And we're just so thankful that that you have sent us this whiskey and that we get to share it with the world. So film will whiskey Nation. Give a shout out to Urban bourbon missed. Thank U for this whiskey. All right, Brad, what do you say? We get back into talking about eternal son. Sign of the Spotless Mind, I would prefer to keep talking about this whiskey. Let's do it.

34:24 Alright so that was Jack Daniels, single barrel. Barrel proof, select by far, the longest name for a whiskey. We've had on this podcast so far. I would agree with you. And Bob, I think you made a mistake pairing this whiskey with this movie because I think it's just gonna fuel my frustration with this movie for our second half of the episode. I can't imagine what this must look like in. Someone's like apple podcast player, it probably like breaks the number of characters your To have in an episode name. All right. So Brad, you don't like this movie. I liked this movie a lot before we get final scores, because I think we've kind of already gotten into analysis. I've already said what I think this movie is about.

35:05 I do think I want to hear or try to coax out of you. A couple positives about this movie. So, I want to talk about the performance as really quickly because I really think that Jim Carrey is absolutely phenomenal. In this movie, playing against type. I think that, you know, he could be sarcastic, he can be like really downtrodden And and timid. He's afraid in moments, he's angry, he's funny. Wish I'd stayed now. I wish I'd stayed wish. I'd done a lot of things. I wish I had. I wish I'd stayed. And it's one of the best performances of that year and I'm really anxious to hear what you thought about Jim Carrey in this film Bob, I'm not gonna lie to you, I really struggled with his performance and I know that Jim Carrey is known for his overacting in a sense, you know, he just, he is so expressive. And so crazy in his performances that you might look at a performance like this one.

36:27 And go. Oh wow, he's very deep. He's playing a different role. Roll. But honestly the entire movie just felt like he had shut down everything that made him him and you didn't get anything of who Jim Carrey really is. As an actor, he felt like a shell of himself and and I didn't enjoy it as a performance so I don't want to make too many comparisons again to like Lost in Translation but I feel like he was kind of doing a similar thing to what Bill Murray was doing in terms of like downplaying his goofier more outside. It rolls in terms of this really subtle reflective kind of performance. And so I'm interested because I remember, you really liking Bill Murray and that movie.

37:09 And and now I hear that you don't like Jim Carrey in this film is really surprising to me. Well, honestly I think Bill Murray in Lost in Translation is not necessarily a different, you know, a completely different version of himself the way he plays himself, he still has that dry humor. That makes him him. You know, there's a sense that in Bill Murray's other movies. Sure. He's Goofy and little bit crazy but he's still. He's still quiet and his other movies. He still has a very dry sense of humor that you get in this movie. I think the thing that would have helped make Jim Carrey's character more believable, as if you got a sense of the positivity of his relationship with Clementine throughout the movie.

37:55 You know, he just plays this, this really depressed down. Send throughout the entire movie that I never get a sense of why he enjoys this relationship with Clementine. It really makes no sense to me. Wow, here I am trying to draw positives out so you don't like Jim Carrey. Did you like Kate Winslet? Not really. Okay. Damn, I will say, the other person that I really noted in this movie who doesn't get a lot of credit was Kirsten Dunst. And I thought that she was really. Like, if this movie has an emotional core, it's her character of Mary and And you know, about two-thirds of the way through the movie. There's this really big dramatic twist while you where you find out that she works for the doctor who is performing all of these procedures and you find out that at one time, she had been having an affair with him. And the doctor had erased her memories of that. And it's kind of this really like a gut punch of a reveal within the movie.

38:51 And I thought that her character throughout the film when she's in her sort of girlish flirtation and and being attached to him all the way through to kind of Your heart ripped out at the end of the film. She just played all of those notes perfectly. Really is a sort of a tragic character. And I thought she was kind of like the unsung hero of this movie. Honestly, the only scene of this movie that pulled it me. Emotionally was when she asked, Mark Ruffalo, did you know about this? And and he just says, look no. Like, there was one moment where I kind of wondered when I saw the two of you talking and you seemed flirtatious but outside of that one moment, But I never saw you in that way and so I kept pursuing you.

39:35 So if anything the one emotional moment where I felt like, I cared about any of the characters on screen was provided by Mark Ruffalo. Actually, even though I think Kirsten Dunst was it was a big part of it, as well. All right, so Brad, I think we've talked about it long enough. I do want to hear your final score and would you recommend this film? All right. Bob, there's not much to this movie that I liked, I think I just mentioned to you. The only scene that I was really emotionally charged by, I'm gonna give this movie A 2 out of 10. I'd my gosh. Brett, I'm a 2, a 2, a 2 out of 10. I just didn't think it really had anything going for it. It was gimmicky.

40:19 It didn't draw me in emotionally, I felt like the conflict was forced that you could have just solved it with open communication. And I get that, that's like the point of the movie that we should communicate better with our other, you know, other half are significant others, but nothing in the movie made sense. It didn't make sense to me that she would go and get her memory erased of this person and the, the explanation that they give in the movie is, oh, well, she's kind of flighty and impulsive. So I guess she would erase the memory of a relationship like, that's just ridiculous to me. And then, the other part of it is they make the movie. E out to be so like set in the real world and then they offer up this really weird technology of oh you can erase memories and you do memory mapping and it can blow out the emotional core and the memory Fades. And I just it just felt so gimmicky to me. And I guess as I say it, I realized that, like, when I say that the movie feels like it's set in real life, obviously, the movie is very trippy in a sense but like everything about the movie, Is realistic the, the cinematography, the way they designed the set.

41:31 So it feels like they're trying to mimic real-life, but then they introduced this brain, altering device, that gets rid of your memories, it just feels dumb and gimmicky to me and the whole movie feels forced. I honestly Bob, it's not that I actively dislike this movie, it's that I was just unimpressed with it. All right, so Brad, I I just I don't think I have time to argue with like every single point of what you said. I think I am shocked that as a fan of sci-fi that you couldn't get on board for a premise like this, where it's like light science fiction where it's like a slightly futuristic world or a world with a slightly different amount of technology. And I thought they did a really good job of kind of incorporating it into the movie as like, yeah, it's just this thing that happens now.

42:17 People get their memories erased. I don't know II. Just I really think that this movie is genius. I think that the script is one of the most mind-bending but brilliant, Deconstructed scripts. I've ever seen every time I watch it, I'm Blown Away by how this movie is put together and I think it has a lot to say about what it means to be human. I think that you know, these people aren't actually forgetting everything, they keep finding things. Like Joel finds that painting is in his apartment that he forgot to throw away. And it keeps reminding them of who they used to be. And I think the movies arguing that people need to be able to remember, it's part of what makes us who we are. I think it's a really Really inventive movie, Brad. I honestly think that if we put this to a pole like among our Instagram followers, I think you honestly think you would be in the very small minority of people who dislike this movie. I see this movie coming up on lists of, like, the 100 greatest of all time.

43:12 I don't think it would make my personal 100 greatest, but I think this is a nearly perfect movie. I'm going to give this movie a 9 and a half out of ten. And so this this makes our divide, the biggest divide, in the history of the film and whiskey. Cast bigger even than Fight Club. Yeah. And that. Yeah, I mean, that's fine. Like you can like this movie but I just, like I said, it's not even that it provoked deep passion in me as I was watching it. Like, it took me a while to kind of dredge up these feelings about the movie because it just felt boring to me. It felt gimmicky. It didn't impress me in any way and that's why I give it a 2 out of 10.

43:55 I gotta be honest, I think this one kind of hurts a little, I feel like you're getting a lot of it and it's still not working for you and that's that's what makes it hard because I think for a lot of us who really love this movie, like it just works for us and I think maybe this is how you probably felt when I didn't like Fight Club. A little, you know, it's like it's got to be hard to dislike a movie that much that is so kind of, beloved by such a large group of people. And so Brad, you're coming out to a 2 out of 10. I'm coming out to a nine and a half out of ten, that puts our average at a five point seven five. Which is just a score that I did not expect this movie to get. I have a feeling that we'll get a lot of feedback on this episode and we would love to hear it. Yeah. Bob I'm looking at this and you're probably right. I am DB has this as an eight point, three out of ten. So I recognize I'm probably in the minority. So if you want to argue with, Brad argue with me. Tell us what you think about this movie. Please get on social media.

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