Catch Me If You Can / Bulleit Rye

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In 2002 director, Steven
Spielberg and star Leonardo

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DiCaprio gave the world.
An adventurous romp through the

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life of a young con man.
In 2019, the Diageo company

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gives us a 95%.
Rhyme Ash Bill, the film is

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Catch Me.
If You Can, the whiskey is

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Bulleit rye and we'll review
them both.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
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Where each week, we review a
classic movie and a glass of

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whiskey.
I'm Bob book.

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You sure are.
That's right.

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And you don't matter.
I'm Bob book I'm Reggie and this

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week we are looking at the 2002
film Catch Me.

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If You Can welcome to Miami,
Mutual Bank.

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How am I?
Help you.

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I'd like to cash this check here
and then I'd like to take you

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out for a steak dinner.
Are you realize pyro tram?

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Little lady?
The county seat is open.

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It's been a while since I've
done this.

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Which one is the jump seat
again?

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This is irrefutable evidence
that the defendant is lying.

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Special agent.
Hen ready, FBI, hello.

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Carl.
You're gonna get caught.

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It's like Vegas, The House
Always Wins.

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Bob this movie is so good.
It's so good.

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Like episode alert episode over.
Yeah, we're doing movies

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phenomenal, go watch it.
One of the things that I really

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appreciate about our podcasts is
that we have gone back to some

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movies from really famous
directors.

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And I think the closest, you
know, corollary to this one or

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whatever you want to call it, is
The Aviator.

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Like, we talked about The
Aviator and we said, this is

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Martin scorsese's.
Unsung modern Masterpiece, that

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no one talks about and Catch Me.
If You Can, is the same thing

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with Steve, And Spielberg like
we look back on Saving Private

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Ryan and ET and Schindler's List
and Raiders of the Lost Ark and

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jaws and we never talk about
Catch Me If You Can but it never

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heard of any of those movies.
Bob I know, right?

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It is a nearly perfect movie.
It's so good.

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When I look at the list of
movies that Spielberg has made,

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I mean, he Nails not only
technical Brilliance, but Mass

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popularity.
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The only real analogy for that,
that you have would be somebody

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like the Beatles.
We're like, when you look at the

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Those music, they're technically
brilliant but they also were the

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most famous band of all time
during their era and so when you

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look at Spielberg and you find a
movie like Catch Me If You Can I

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like I'm going to preview
everything that I'm going to

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talk about.
I think this might be

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Spielberg's best movie.
Wow, and I genuinely mean that

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from the bottom of my heart.
Now I will say, I've only seen

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Saving Private Ryan once and
it's been a long time since I

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saw it.
So I need to watch that again to

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reassess the claim that I just
made.

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Are you saying the you think
this movie is better than

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Schindler's List and better than
jaws and better than Raiders of

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the Lost Ark and better than
Jurassic Park?

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So I have seen all those movies
except for Jaws.

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Okay, I haven't seen John will
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I do want to see jaws
Schindler's List is probably a

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better movie.
I'm probably just really excited

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because I just saw catch me if
you this is an exciting movie.

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I mean, but I would put this up
there with Schindler's List and

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that might sound like a bad
thing.

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Because Schindler's List deals
with such a deep and Serious

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subject.
Yeah, and I don't want to take

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away from the fact that the
Holocaust is a much deeper

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subject than a con man in the
60, right, right.

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Like, please don't take me in
the wrong way.

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I understand the difference of
the two subject matters, but as

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far as just looking at it as a
movie and the cinematography,

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the musical Choice all that,
Catch Me.

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If You Can, I would say is up
there with Schindler's List.

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Well Brad, we're going to give
you plenty of time to flush out

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your argument here.
But before we get into that, it

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sounds Like, you've seen this
movie before this viewing.

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I have.
Okay, so this is this is a

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re-watch for probably the third
or fourth time I've seen.

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Okay, okay.
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similar to most people.
I mean, after this movie came

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out, it made a bunch of money,
but then it was on, like, TNT

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all the time for sure.
It sits in syndication at this

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point.
So we've all seen this movie.

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Brad.
Can you walk us through the plot

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of this movie with our favorite
segments?

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Brad explains.
Yeah.

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So, so the movie is about
Leonardo DiCaprio.

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As a young con artist, who I was
taught the idea of dreaming from

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his father who's played by
Christopher Walken.

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And I think to really understand
this movie, you really have to

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understand Christopher Walken's
role as his father, but the

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synopsis of the movie is that
Frank Abagnale jr.

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Leonardo DiCaprio is a young
dreamer, who experiences

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divorce, who experiences, you
know, losing the nice, perfect

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Suburban life that his family
had and the entire movie is all

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about him, trying to recapture
the glory of his childhood.

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And so you watch him and he
becomes a con artist at the age

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of like 16 or 17, he becomes
quote-unquote and airline pilot

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for Pan, Am around the age of 19
or 20, he becomes a pediatric

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doctor at a hospital in Georgia,
he becomes a lawyer at the age

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of, you know, 20 or 21.
He does all of these things but

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in the end, all of it is about
capturing the glory of his

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childhood.
And trying to bring his parents

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back together.
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And I think Brad, you've already
just opened up our analysis of

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the movie because, you know, if
you were just going to give a

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synopsis or a plot outline in
the movie, It's guy becomes con

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man, FBI agent chases him,
right?

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But you're already getting to, I
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underlying motivations of this
character are and I really was

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impressed with the way that
Spielberg would not let us out

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of this movie, without
understanding, the reason that

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DiCaprio's character, Frank
Abagnale was doing all this.

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And it's honestly, it's that he
is Trying to get back to the

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place that he was before.
His parents got a divorce.

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What causes him to run away from
home at 16, is his parents are

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getting a divorce after he
essentially catches his mom

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cheating on his dad and they're
asking him to decide who he

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wants to live with and he runs
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And and this whole film is him
essentially running away from

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his problems and trying to
recapture a state where he can

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be in control of his life again.
And I'm super excited to get

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into this with you.
But I think maybe we should take

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a step back from our analysis
and let's Through this cast list

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because, you know, I turn this
movie on a couple nights ago.

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I was watching with my wife and
I just kept saying, oh, I

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forgot, he was in this, I forgot
she was in this, you know,

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Spielberg as the Director that
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And with the budget that he had,
he had the ability to build the

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Dreamcast and that's kind of
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I mean, you've got DiCaprio and
Hanks at the top but then you've

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got Christopher Walken, you've
got Amy Adams, you've got

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Jennifer Garner, you've got
Martin Sheen.

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As in this movie plays, it is it
bad that there's a part of me

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that's like I feel like Jennifer
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Like fallen off, oh, for sure.
And she does like commercials

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now, so when I saw her in this,
I was like, what is Jennifer

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Garner doing in this all-star
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Yeah, but I mean, at the time
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she was like, at the top of her
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And for sure.
So let's walk through the movie

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a little bit and I think maybe
the best way to go through.

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This is just to kind of go
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because Spielberg has
constructed this movie in such a

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tight kind of efficient way that
every twist and turn the movie

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takes, is just this breath of
fresh air.

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So, What I want to talk about,
first of all, is the old school

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throwback title sequence, the
animated title sequence.

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And what Spielberg was doing
here is he's giving a no Maj in

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a nod to this great celebrated
title sequence, designer named

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Saul bass.
He didn't host of Hitchcock's

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movies, if you've ever seen
North, by Northwest or psycho.

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If you've seen the old Jimmy
Stewart movie Anatomy of a

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Murder, like they all have the
Saul bass titles and this movie

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is a throwback to that and I
they're probably 45 minutes

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long.
They take forever to get

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Through.
But it was a freaking Delight to

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watch these.
Yeah, and I think one of the

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beautiful things about that is
that Spielberg from the very

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start from the title card to the
opening sequence that you just

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talked about, he captures the
essence of the 60s, which is,

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you know, the era and way of
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Operated, and he captures that
essence of, like, I think

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there's a sense of like, in our
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Like, oh, yeah, James Bond.
They were really cheesy movies

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back in the day and like, Daniel
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Made them cool because they're
realistic But like back in the

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60s, I don't care how cheesy
those movies were, Sean Connery

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is James Bond was literally the
coolest human being on the

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planet.
Absolutely.

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And you see that, you see,
things like that captured

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throughout the movie, where
Spielberg captures, the essence

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of what it meant to be at the at
the height of the 60s.

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Yeah.
And and Frank, you know,

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Leonardo DiCaprio tries to
capture that he wants to be the

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coolest of the cool in the 60s.
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Well in the movie starts in like
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about what Spielberg does in
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me of the show Mad Men in a
little bit in a way because, you

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know, in the early 60s, you
still have the Styles, the

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haircuts of the late 50s.
They're still listening to Nat

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King Cole and you know
embraceable you and he's older

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standard songs and then as the
movie progresses into the

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mid-60s in the late 60s, you see
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You see people start to grow
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sideburns come into play and
this movie is so

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period-specific.
But they just nail the Your ID

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at every single point in the
movie The costuming, the

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hairstyles are just impeccable.
I think one of the perfect

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scenes that Nails how weird the
60s were was the scene when he's

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sitting with Brenda Amy Adams
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watching the like variety show
and they're singing the Irish

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song.
Yeah man, like Kelly or whatever

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it is Kelo.
Why you see how the 60s was this

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generation that still?
Dated their Heritage like

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nowadays?
Like people might be like yeah,

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sure.
I'm Irish but they're not going

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to sing along with a variety
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Yeah.
And be.

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And like, you just see the joy
in their eyes of.

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Not only am I American, but I'm
Irish, right?

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And that and I think that
captures the period of the 60s

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where they're still holding on
to what the 30s and 40s and 50s

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were all about.
And yet you see a transition to

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a brand new world.
Absolutely.

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None of them would ever expect
her understand.

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Yeah, when Frank runs away and
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There's this great cut to a new
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Where they cut to that song, You
Really Got Me, girl, you really

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got me now and it's a scene of
all these people sunbathing.

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And you just see this, this
burgeoning new environment, in

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Southern California, where
DiCaprio is living that you

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wouldn't have seen a New York?
No, not at all.

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Yeah.
The the movie captures the

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essence of the 60s perfectly in
which the only other form of

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media I've seen do it is Mad
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Yeah, definitely I think that
was a Mad Men.

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Even has a title sequence that
is a throwback to You know, you

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see the Jon Hamm character
falling in silhouette.

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It's a throwback in an homage to
vertigo.

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Yes, which was designed by Saul
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That's exactly what it was.
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So the title sequence ends.
In the first thing we see is a

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clip that Spielberg has
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to tell the truth.
That was so good.

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It's a great framing device and
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understanding of who, Frank
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narrator of the show is saying,
which is, you know, I faked

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being a pilot and I faked being
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And then I faked Lawyer and of
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DiCaprio is Frank Abagnale and
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But what I really loved was that
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little bit of information where
he says the guy that caught me

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his name was Carl, Hanratty and
that's Tom Hanks, his character

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and then there's an immediate
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This TV show, it feels so

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the French prison that Hanratty
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basically extradite DiCaprio
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charges, you cut from this
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life was, like, where he's
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the depths that he had sunk to,
and Spielberg takes you from the

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high, right to the low and drops
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movie, and I think it really
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jolt.
Also, I love how Tom Hanks is

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speaking like with an accent but
not super-heavy and he's like,

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yeah.
You know, my name is girly,

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ready?
Well, first of all, I feel like

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we might Disagree because I
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the most ridiculous.
Boston accent.

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I've ever heard.
He sounds like no actual person

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from Boston but he sounds like
Tom Hanks does sound like Tom

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Hanks.
I do not have an accent Carl,

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Hanratty how and ready.
The French guys are going on.

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All righty, all righty and
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So let's talk about Hanks for a
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We're going to talk about
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scene, in the movie,
essentially, who was DiCaprio,

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right?
I didn't catch him, they played

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a minor role, okay?
But I want to About Tom Hanks on

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this watch through.
I was really surprised by how

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little Tom Hanks is kind of in
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So one of the big things with
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it might be a valid criticism.
One of the problems with Tom

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Hanks is that anytime you see
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You see Tom Hanks.
Yeah like I couldn't tell you

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half of his characters actual
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Like what was his name and Cast
Away?

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Oh God I don't yeah I can't
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He was Tom Hanks right this One
of the few movies where I

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watching the movie, I forgot
that he was Tom.

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Hey, that's so funny because I
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where I couldn't forget that you
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because, you know, on the cover
of the movie, it's like DiCaprio

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and Hanks, you know, looking at
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Now, 17 years later DiCaprio was
a big star obviously, but now I

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look back at it and I'm like,
wow, that was one of the great

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star pairings in history.
But the movie, the advertising,

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the posters set it up like we're
going to be cutting back and

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forth between DiCaprio and Hanks
all the time, but you didn't see

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Hanks as much.
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I think.
I mean it's probably like a

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75/25 split and I think because
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certain moments you go you go oh
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like this reassuring like oh my
my warm and happy, Uncle comes

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back into the picture and I
think because of that I was

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always aware that I was watching
Tom.

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Hanks.
See, that's interesting.

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I I felt between the accent at
being a little bit over

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ridiculous.
But I really enjoyed Tom, Hanks

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in this movie because I didn't
feel like I was Just watching

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Tom Hanks and and that's a
terrible sit at statement to say

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because just watching Tom Hanks
is always a pleasure and he's a

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literally, one of the best
actors of all time, of course.

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But I really enjoyed this movie
because I felt like I was

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watching Carl Hanratty and not
necessarily just Tom Haines.

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Yeah.
So let's get into the other side

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of the equation then and talk
about DiCaprio because we can't

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go very far without talking
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This is so DiCaprio made
Titanic.

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Obviously he had been in Romeo
and Juliet in 96, he did Titanic

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in 97.
He was like the teen heartthrob.

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He made a couple bad career
choices and this dis year 2002

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was his big comeback.
He made Catch Me If You Can, and

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scorsese's Gangs of New York in
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And all of a sudden people were
like, oh not only is he talented

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not only has he already been
nominated for an oscar but this

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is going to be one of the big
stars of the next couple decades

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and they were right.
They were right.

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But it's really funny even just
watching a two-year difference

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between this movie and The
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He seemed so much younger.
And I think part of that, you

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have to credit to his Formats,
that he played a

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sixteen-year-old, so
convincingly and he only ages

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from probably 16 to what 25 in
this movie, but the range of

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emotions that he plays the way.
He's so successful, he plays and

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emotionally developing teenager.
It's a great performance.

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I would say.
It's absolutely one of his best

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performances all time.
You look at the way he

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transforms as a character the
way he grows up.

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I think that one of the scenes
that people might not think

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about as much when they think
about this movie.

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For me, was one of the emotional
payoffs of the movie was when he

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goes, and he sees his mom in the
house and he meets his little

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half-sister and then he, when he
goes back to Carl and he says

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get me in the car.
Yeah, get me away from here,

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that moment, just rips your
heart out.

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I want to come back to that
because that's my key scene for

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the movie.
That's always been my favorite

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scene in the movie and honestly,
I'll touch on it just for a

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second here.
But from a technical standpoint

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Spielberg's use of Nat King
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The Christmas song in that scene
is one of the best uses of an

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existing popular song in a
movie, I have ever ever seen

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because it's so undercuts, the
spirit of that song which is

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like warm family relations and
he's doing it by putting

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DiCaprio on the outside of the
house.

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He's always on the outside
looking in.

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If you've watched the whole
movie, he's always watching.

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Other people have happy
relationships.

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And there's almost this sense
when he asks a little girl like,

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oh, where's your mommy?
Yeah, and she points at and if

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You notice the camera swings
around to reveal and it puts you

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in DiCaprio shoes in this place
where he's disoriented and

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knocked back by the Revelation,
that his mom has had a kid with

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the guy that she was cheating on
his dad with.

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Yeah.
And and that moment makes you

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realize what DiCaprio realizes
that's not my mom anymore.

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Yeah.
That's this little girls.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And that's why he what he
stumbles away and just and he

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willingly.
Goes to the cop car and and has

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to flee.
The scene through any means

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necessary.
It is a beautiful scene of

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cinematography.
Yeah.

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Absolutely.
All right.

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So we're kind of jumping all
over the place now but I want to

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walk us back towards the start
of the movie and one of the

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First characters were introduced
to is Christopher Walken as

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Frank Abagnale senior.
And I have to say, if I'm giving

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out an MVP trophy for this
movie, I'm giving it to

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Christopher Walken because what
we know of Christopher Walken is

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the parity of, you know,
Everyone does the walk-in voice,

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it's like doing the William
Shatner voice and we saw

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Christopher Walken.
Do this in Pulp Fiction just a

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few weeks ago.
He was so quiet.

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And he just reveled in the
silences and what Spielberg

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allows him to do in this movie
is to underplay, which is not

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something walking does a lot and
he is, in my opinion, he's the

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best performance in the whole
movie and I think a lot of

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people agreed because
Christopher Walken was nominated

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for best supporting actor for
this movie.

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And I think that was the only
nomination the movie guy got to.

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It was Best supporting actor and
then John Williams.

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Got nominated for the score.
Did not win.

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Neither one of them one we're
gonna do.

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I've just decided we're going to
do a top 5 episode on Top 5,

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John Williams close.
Gosh, that's gonna be the

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hardest one ever because John
Williams literally is one of my

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favorite movie involved person
ever he.

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I love John.
Yes.

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Yeah.
But back to Christopher Walken.

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I mean, what did you think of
his performance?

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Are you in the same boat?
I am with, with appreciating him

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in this movie?
100% when you look at the

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emotional, Impetus of this
movie.

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If you don't have Christopher
Walken in that role, you have no

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reason for Frank Abagnale, jr.
To do anything like, and the the

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moment that it hits you is when
Leonardo is at the New Rochelle

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Rotary Club, lifetime membership
award, and it's given to his

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father.
This is the very start of the

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very start of the movie.
And he tells that wonderful

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story about, you know, there was
too much ice and they're in a

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bucket, right?
And then, you know, the one

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turns Her and escapes.
And I am that Mouse who turned

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the butter.
When you see a Leonardo DiCaprio

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Sprint up out of his chair and
just start avidly just yeah,

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beating his hands together to
clap for his father.

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You realize this kid idolizes
his father but then the more you

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get to know walk in the more you
realize he's just a sleazebag.

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That's a dreamer and even some
sleazebag.

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It seems like he loses his
business.

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It seems like he got into some
sort of a shady dealing with the

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IRS and they never let up on him
and DiCaprio watches.

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His dad, lose his dream and I
think that's that's the thing

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and walk and plays that so.
Well as like this, this guy

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who's being broken down by the
outside world but where DiCaprio

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gets his ability to be a con man
is because he sees his dad put

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on a happy face all the time.
See, I took it.

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Not that he was being beaten
down by the outside world but

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that he was a sleazebag who
conned his way into everything

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he got.
That was more of the, the thing,

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because every time he talks
about the IRS, it sounds like

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that person, like honestly, man,
I feel like I'm going in the

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opposite direction of you.
The writing came off more like,

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how Hilary Swank's family was
written in Million Dollar Baby

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really of?
Well it's not my fault.

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The government is putting me
down and like this other lawyer,

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you know, it wasn't my fault.
He screwed me over and now the

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government screw me over to me,
he played this like mine.

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Mindset of like, oh well I
didn't do anything wrong, the

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government did me wrong and my
lawyer did me wrong to me.

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I didn't enjoy that as much.
That's so interesting.

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I never saw that way.
And the key scene for me with

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walk-ins performance is right
after DiCaprio become

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successful.
As a pilot, he goes to a really

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fancy restaurant with his dad.
You really get a picture of who

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his dad is as a character.
Because the first thing he says,

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is this Fork is ice cold and
DiCaprio has to teach him.

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This is a chilled salad, fork
wear to a fancy restaurant and

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walk in.
Throughout that scene, you

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finally see the cracks in his
facade and you understand that

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he's projecting all of his hopes
and dreams on to his kid.

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And he starts to ask DiCaprio
like where are you going

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tonight?
Where you fly in tonight?

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And it's not because he really
cares, it's because he knows

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DiCaprio's able to escape.
He asked DiCaprio to look around

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and he says, all these people
are staring at you right now and

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DiCaprio looks and he's like
that.

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There's no one looking at me but
for Walkin.

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It's constructing this story of
like my son.

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Has all of New York standing
still to look at him.

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And at the very, very end of the
scene, DiCaprio asks him about

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his mom and they're estranged
because, you know, they've

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gotten a divorce and she was
cheating on him, but he always

446
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,800
wants to win her back and it's
the one time that walk and

447
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,000
finally doesn't have an excuse
or a reason or something that he

448
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,800
can hope for hang his hat on and
he starts crying.

449
00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:33,800
I can speak a little French six
weeks later.

450
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:42,800
She was my son bought me a
Cadillac today.

451
00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:55,500
I think that calls for a toast.
You're the best damn pilot in

452
00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,300
the sky.
It's not what you think.

453
00:22:58,300 --> 00:23:03,200
I'm the co-pilot.
See these people standing.

454
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,500
He's the most powerful people in
New York City, they keep

455
00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:14,100
peeking, over their shoulders,
wondering, where you're going

456
00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:16,100
tonight?
Where you going?

457
00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:21,100
Frank had nobody's staring at me
someplace exotic.

458
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,300
Just tell me where you're going
place.

459
00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:40,100
An Hollywood Hollywood.
Rest of us really are suckers.

460
00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:48,500
And that moment at just as an
actor, Christopher Walken just

461
00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:52,200
nails that scene but I think
that's why I always saw his dad

462
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,300
as a more sympathetic character
than a sleazebag.

463
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:59,200
That's really interesting to me
because for me that exact scene

464
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,500
is why I think of him as a
sleazebag.

465
00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:03,900
That's wow.
Because he, because he's not

466
00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:07,000
willing to face reality.
And he continually creates

467
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,700
narratives that are not true and
not only does he create them, he

468
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:12,300
believes them.
Hmm.

469
00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:15,400
He believes his own.
It is about reality that are

470
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,700
completely false and for me that
is more of a sign of being

471
00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:23,500
pitiful and sad.
Yeah, more than being somebody

472
00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:26,500
who is just misunderstood or the
more, I think about it.

473
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:28,200
And the thing is, I don't want
to take away.

474
00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:30,800
I would agree with you.
That I think Christopher Walken

475
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,500
might have the best performance.
Yeah.

476
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,500
But I think his I read his
character a lot differently than

477
00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:36,600
you.
That's so funny.

478
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:38,500
And yet we come out to the same
place on it.

479
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,300
Brad there's so much more we
have to talk about.

480
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:42,800
We haven't even gotten through
all of our performances yet.

481
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,800
We haven't really.
Otten into the meat of the movie

482
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,400
in our analysis of it, but I
think that's going to be better

483
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,300
for the back end of our episode.
So why don't we stop at this

484
00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:51,800
point?
Let's try some of this Bullet

485
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:52,400
Ride.
What do you say?

486
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:59,900
Let's get into it.
All right, so, today we're

487
00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:02,900
trying Bulleit Rye.
Now, bullet is a really

488
00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:05,500
interesting company.
They've become very famous for

489
00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:09,400
their bourbon bul, EIT.
So they have become really

490
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,500
famous because they make really
good bourbon, but for such a

491
00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:13,700
long time, what they were doing
was, they were sourcing their

492
00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:16,400
bourbon meaning, they were
buying all of the alcohol

493
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,700
basically pre-made.
And then just aging it in

494
00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:22,100
Kentucky and it isn't until just
recently that they finally

495
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:24,200
develop the means to stop
sourcing their Bourbon.

496
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,900
And so people are really
concerned that when their

497
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:29,800
bourbon comes to maturity, it
might taste He different from

498
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,500
what we've come to know as
bullet, but they not only make

499
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:35,700
bourbon, they may cry and today
we are trying their rye whiskey.

500
00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:38,800
Now Brad, you purchased this
bottle of Bulleit Rye, I sure

501
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,100
did.
How much did you pay for it?

502
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,600
I paid about twenty three twenty
four dollars for it, I think.

503
00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:47,000
Yeah and the state of Ohio this
is listed at 2399.

504
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,900
So this is a really affordable
Rye.

505
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,200
Yeah, for a fifth of any
whiskey.

506
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:54,300
When you look at the twenty to
twenty five dollar range, that

507
00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:57,400
that's an affordable and usually
you're going to get decent

508
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,800
quality whiskey, you.
You seem to not really care for

509
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,500
Rye that much and I am hit or
miss on it as well.

510
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:06,100
I like it, when rise are a
little more mellow, the mash

511
00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:12,800
bill on this bad boy, is 95% R.
I5 % barley that it fun fact.

512
00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:16,000
95% of anything in a whiskey is
a lot.

513
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,000
And when you smell this, you get
those.

514
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,100
I don't know what the word is.
It spicy herbal.

515
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:24,600
It's spicy but it's almost a
sour smell you get from rye as a

516
00:26:24,608 --> 00:26:25,400
grain.
Yeah.

517
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,900
For sure.
Ever smelled, rye bread, you

518
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:29,600
know what I'm talking about but
this has no Born in it, so

519
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,900
there's nothing to sweeten, it
nothing to really mellow it

520
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:33,600
except that little bit of
barley.

521
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:35,400
What are you picking up on the
nose Brad?

522
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,800
Yeah.
On the nose of this, I feel like

523
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,200
I'm getting that right.
It's very obvious.

524
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,900
It's very wry forward.
But I feel like there is a

525
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:46,200
little bit of sweetness on the
nose.

526
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:48,100
Yeah, there's there's definitely
something going on here that's

527
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:51,000
melted a bit.
It does smell like just a big

528
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,700
loaf of rye bread but maybe one
that's been cut with something.

529
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,700
There's almost a fruitiness to
it or something sweet, like a

530
00:26:57,700 --> 00:26:58,900
honey.
Yeah.

531
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:00,900
Yeah, I think you're hitting on
something with the honey.

532
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:04,000
They're like, the more I smell.
This, the more I feel like

533
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,600
there's a jar of like fresh
honey, sitting next to my glass

534
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:08,800
of whiskey.
Yeah, for sure.

535
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,700
It doesn't have those dark
notes.

536
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:12,400
It's very bright.
It almost reminds me of like an

537
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,200
Irish whiskey in the sort of
brighter notes.

538
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,800
I'm getting that has a freshness
to it.

539
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,600
Definitely, so if you had to
give it a score, what would you

540
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,500
give it on the nose?
I'm gonna give it a seven on the

541
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:22,000
nose.
Okay.

542
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,900
It has a nice pleasant knows
that has the spice of the ride,

543
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:27,800
but not that burn or the
bitterness.

544
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,100
Yeah, I think I'm right there
with you.

545
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:31,200
Thew.
I don't again Rye is not my

546
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,800
favorite kind of whiskey, but I
don't think I should punish this

547
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,300
for that fact.
Right?

548
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:38,000
It's it's pretty Pleasant
smelling for a ride but you also

549
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,200
know what you're getting into
that it is a right?

550
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,600
Yeah.
And I think it's not false

551
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,600
advertising.
That's mr.

552
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,500
Good thing.
All right, let's take a step.

553
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:51,400
Yeah, I think everything that we
smelt on the nose is coming

554
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,600
forth on the taste.
I mean, you have the ride, it's

555
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,400
forward.
You know, it's there.

556
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:59,200
But I'm tasting, honey, the more
and more.

557
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,200
I think about it.
I'm not tasting honey.

558
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,200
I am tasting sweetness.
It seems fruitier to me.

559
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,900
It almost.
It's like a peach or a, or maybe

560
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:10,500
something more tropical, but
there's something that reminds

561
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:14,000
me of a fruit note, but you
really get the ride for me on

562
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,800
the back, end on the finish on
the Swallow.

563
00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:20,400
It really comes out as like a
more sour pronounced grainy

564
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,400
flavor.
So the sweetness isn't present

565
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,300
all the way through for me.
Yeah, I don't know.

566
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:26,900
I kind of disagree for me.
It really does.

567
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:31,800
Hold on to that honey flavor.
And for me that helps mellow out

568
00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:34,500
the bitterness of the Rye.
I'm getting a lot of really

569
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:37,000
interesting like baking spices
on the taste almost like a

570
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,500
clovey taste to it as well.
It's not just rise spice, it has

571
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,200
these really nice kind of more
subtle gentle baking spices to

572
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,200
it.
Yeah.

573
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,600
I think I'm going to go ahead
and give it another seven.

574
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:50,600
Okay, I'm really enjoying the
flavor.

575
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,000
It's not the best thing I've
ever had, because I don't care

576
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,500
for Rye but right, but if I'm
gonna drink awry, I like this a

577
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:57,800
lot.
I'm gonna give it a six and a

578
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,600
half on the taste.
And part of that is because you

579
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,800
know, full disclosure like I
just am not a huge fan of Rye

580
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:06,200
but this is complex enough.
It's different enough, it's

581
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,500
interesting enough that even as
a guy that's not a huge fan of

582
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:11,900
Rye, I can appreciate where this
one is coming from.

583
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:13,300
So it gets a six and a half for
me.

584
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:14,800
What you think about the
finished bread?

585
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:18,300
What I love about the Finish.
Sean, this is that the rise

586
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:21,200
slowly dissipates as it moves
down your throat.

587
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,500
Hmm.
And it doesn't sit on you the

588
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:26,600
way a lot of other rides do.
And that's my big struggle with

589
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,400
Rye, is that when you're done
drinking it, you just have that

590
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,500
ride flavor on your mouth
forever and you don't get that

591
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:35,300
with this and I really like
that.

592
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,300
It doesn't have a long-lasting
finish.

593
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:41,200
It does have a more of a bitter
finish to me that classic Rye.

594
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,200
Flavor is there on the finish?
It doesn't leave a sweet finish

595
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,100
in my mouth but the Finish is
also gone.

596
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:49,400
Than 10 seconds.
So as a guy that is not really

597
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,000
interested in bitter long
unsweet finishes, I like that

598
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,600
I'd but I think I'm just going
to go ahead and give it a six on

599
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,500
the Finish.
Really, I'm actually going to

600
00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:00,900
give it an eight on the finish.
I really enjoy the way it

601
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:03,500
finishes parsley for the fact
that it's not what I've

602
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:05,000
experienced with other Rise.
Sure.

603
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:07,200
Sure.
All right, overall balance we're

604
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,300
talking knows taste and finish
Brad.

605
00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:11,000
What would you come out to seven
and a half?

606
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:15,400
I mean, it's a solid.
It moves evenly from from Phase

607
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,100
2 phase.
It's a good good whiskey.

608
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:20,600
I think I'm gonna give an eight
on the balance and that's

609
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,100
because it does exactly what it
sets out to do.

610
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,100
You know, from the nose from the
time you first, smell it.

611
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:28,900
What this is going to be like
and it absolutely delivers on

612
00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:30,700
that.
It doesn't have a super long

613
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:34,400
lasting complex finish but
otherwise this is really solid

614
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,400
all across the board if you like
rice oh IMA give it an eight.

615
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:40,600
Yeah and so when we're moving
into our final category of

616
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:45,900
value, I think for me I can and
I'll preview I'm sure we'll

617
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:48,200
drink.
It bourbon at some point I'll

618
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,400
preview my take on that to say
that it's a good bourbon but I

619
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,000
can get other Bourbons for a
similar price that I might like

620
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,200
a little more or similar
quality.

621
00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:01,700
I don't know if I've had many
rise for this price that I like

622
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:04,400
as much as this.
I'm going to give it a 10 out of

623
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,000
10 on value.
Wow.

624
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,800
A 10.
I don't know if I've ever had

625
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,900
arrived for twenty-two.
Twenty-three twenty-four dollars

626
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,700
that?
I like as much as this one,

627
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:15,400
listen, if you're into ride,
this is a really, really good

628
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,000
one.
You know, I I tend to like my

629
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,300
rise a little bit more milder
than this but that's because I

630
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:22,700
don't like rice.
Oh I scored the 80 proof old

631
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:24,700
Overholt pretty highly because
of that.

632
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:29,200
But if you're into this kind of
thing this is a fantastic value

633
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,300
at 2399.
I'm going to go ahead and give

634
00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:35,400
it an 8 out of 10 and that's
partially just my preference,

635
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,800
but I think Brad is Right.
You'd be hard-pressed to find

636
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,900
one at this price point.
And especially, this is a 90

637
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:44,500
proof whiskey, and a lot of
times when you get down to the

638
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:48,500
22, 23, Our price range, you
find a lot of, you know, bottom

639
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:49,700
of the barrel.
Yep.

640
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:52,800
Pun intended.
You know. 80-proof Whiskey's.

641
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,800
This is a 90 proof.
It has some punch to it.

642
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,600
It has some nice feel, it's a
really good value.

643
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:03,000
Definitely, so I'm coming out to
a 35 and a half, which would put

644
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,000
me at a 71 out of 100 Brad.
What are you coming out to 39

645
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,800
and a half?
39, and a half.

646
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,100
Brad really enjoyed this.
So that's putting us at a 37 and

647
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:15,700
a half or a 75 out of 100, which
I would say.

648
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:17,900
Yeah.
Is right where this whiskey?

649
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:21,000
Sure I would say top quarter
that's a really good place to be

650
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:23,300
Brad.
Would you recommend 100%?

651
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,000
I would too again, you know a
lot of whiskey.

652
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,500
Is you drink, what?
You like?

653
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:30,000
I'm a bourbon guy.
I will always be a bourbon guy,

654
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:33,400
but if I was going to recommend
a ride, is somebody, this is

655
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,800
right up there with the best
we've had.

656
00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:38,500
It's in the price range.
It's high-quality and shout out

657
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:40,300
to producer.
Eric, who has been on previous

658
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:43,200
episodes?
This is his favorite rye whiskey

659
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:46,300
and I can see why.
So we both recommend that has In

660
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:47,800
Bulleit rye bread.
What do you say?

661
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,700
We get back into talking about,
Catch Me If You Can let's do it.

662
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,300
Alright, so that was Bulleit
Rye?

663
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,500
We both recommended.
Yeah, highly impressed.

664
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:02,800
Yeah, and I think it really
lines up with this movie because

665
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,900
I don't want to forecast too
much here, but it sounds like

666
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,600
we're both going to recommend
this one to know.

667
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,900
Don't watch this movie, but we
have a lot to discuss here.

668
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:13,300
Still, we haven't even talked
about all of the actors yet.

669
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:15,500
We haven't talked about the
story in our favorite scenes and

670
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:18,200
the analysis of it.
So, really briefly Brad, is

671
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,800
there any other actor in this
movie that you think deserves to

672
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,100
be called out whether for good
or for bad?

673
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:27,700
I'm really intrigued and not
necessarily Ali, why she was in

674
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:30,300
the movie, but like, why her
scene was in the movie?

675
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,100
Okay.
What's up with Jennifer Garner

676
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:33,300
and the hooker scene?
Yeah.

677
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:34,900
Jennifer Garner comes into this
movie.

678
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:38,900
For a hot second and is gone
again and she plays a really

679
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:40,900
high-priced call girl.
It seems like, who was

680
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:44,300
apparently a model at some
point, but she's a hooker and

681
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,800
what we know of our protagonist
at this movie is that he's like

682
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,300
17 may be right.
And Spielberg gives us this

683
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:55,600
really prolonged scene where
she's seducing him or at least

684
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,200
negotiating with M about what
price that he's going to pay for

685
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,700
a night with her.
And in my like, in my opinion,

686
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:05,300
it was the most unnecessary
scene in the whole movie.

687
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,199
And this was at the point where
they actually were really

688
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,699
cutting back a lot between him
and Carl.

689
00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:13,400
Hanratty, Tom Hanks, has
character and Tom Hanks is

690
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,000
sitting in a laundromat like
getting his laundry done and

691
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,400
getting his shirts, dyed pink.
And then you cut back to

692
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,000
DiCaprio with this high-priced,
call girl.

693
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,300
And I understand that they were
trying to play this Dynamic of,

694
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:28,500
he's living the Glamorous Life,
Tom Hanks is Isn't but it really

695
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,600
kind of weirded me out that we
needed this extended scene of

696
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,100
him, you know, talking his way
into having sex with a hooker.

697
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:38,600
So I will say, I'm going to say
two things, first off, I don't

698
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,000
think that she was a high-priced
call girl.

699
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:46,300
I think that she was a famous
model who in that moment was

700
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:48,199
like, saw an opportunity?
Yes.

701
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,199
Okay, that's how it played off
to me, more of, and that's not

702
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,500
to say that, you know, obviously
by offering herself for money.

703
00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:57,200
She made herself a call girl for
that. 8.

704
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:02,200
But that put aside, I think the
big contrasting point wasn't

705
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,200
necessarily Carl Hanratty and
Frank Abagnale jr.

706
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,600
I think it was the two women
that they were with, in the

707
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,300
sense that Frank Abagnale jr.
Is with is with his gorgeous

708
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:16,500
model and Carl Hanratty is with
this old lady who died his

709
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:17,500
shirts, pink.
Right.

710
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:20,400
Accidentally putting a red shirt
in his thing, right?

711
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,600
And so I think the reason this
scene was in the movie was to

712
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,500
highlight the differences in the
two Two main characters lives,

713
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:31,600
but was it necessary?
I actually disagree with the

714
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,700
reason why it's in the movie.
I think the reason why it's in

715
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:36,400
the movies at the very end of
the scene where they've gone

716
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,200
through this whole negotiation,
and then DiCaprio says, I'll

717
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,700
write you a check for 1400 and
then she says, well, I'll just

718
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:47,700
give you 400 in cash back.
And the point of the scene is

719
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:51,500
he's such a good con man that he
even conned, the girl, who was

720
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:55,500
trying to con him into giving
her money is actually a really

721
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:57,900
funny punch line.
Because he came out of that

722
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:01,100
situation giving her a check
that's going to bounce and he

723
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:03,300
came out of it for hundred
dollars richer in cash.

724
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:07,100
And so it's really, I do think
it's a funny scene ultimately,

725
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:10,800
but it takes about 10 minutes of
the movie and it, in my opinion,

726
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,800
it just grinds the movie to a
halt.

727
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,300
I don't know that we needed it.
We know Frank's a good con man

728
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:17,000
without that scene being in it.
Yeah.

729
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,800
And my my struggle that with a
scene wasn't necessarily that

730
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,000
it's slowed the movie down.
It's that you moved from Frank

731
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,200
being an innocent person.
Who sure he I might have slept

732
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,800
with some stewardesses on the
airlines, but, like, paying for

733
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,700
sex takes you into a whole new
territory of sleaziness, that

734
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:39,400
you lose an innocence to his
character in that scene, that I

735
00:36:39,408 --> 00:36:43,300
don't know if you needed to do
because that's the only scene in

736
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:45,600
which he really isn't innocent.
Yeah.

737
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,700
And so I'm like, did you really
need to do that?

738
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:49,800
Because the rest of the movie,
he goes back to being, this

739
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,600
innocent young kid, who's
pretending to be an adult.

740
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,600
But asks, for milk, when he's
asked, what he wants to drink.

741
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:59,400
You know, I mean, yeah, and I
think we're in agreement, that,

742
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,300
that point of the movie, doesn't
really need to be in it.

743
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,200
I do want to quickly touch on
Amy Adams as his wife,

744
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,000
eventually poor Brenda poor
Brent.

745
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Well, not why they do get
married because they're at the

746
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,300
wedding reception when the FBI
busts in and tries to at the

747
00:37:16,308 --> 00:37:17,800
engagement party, that's an
engagement.

748
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,400
Okay, so they don't get married,
that's good but I think Amy

749
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,100
Adams, first of all, is a
National Treasure.

750
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,600
I, she is such a good actress.
Absolutely.

751
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:29,100
I love Amy Adams.
And in this movie she does the

752
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:31,200
like the little girl innocent
thing really well, but then you

753
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,100
find out more about her
character that she got an

754
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:36,000
abortion that she's kind of an
outcast from her family.

755
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,700
And she's not given a ton to
work with like she's there for

756
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:43,300
comedic effect for the most
part, dude, if there's a moment

757
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:47,700
in this movie that I would cry
during its when she tells him

758
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:49,400
that a, I'm not a virgin.
Yeah.

759
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,900
But be, I had an abortion and
then she like curls up in his

760
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:57,600
arms and shame and basically
says like to you, Like will you

761
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,000
still love me despite my faults
that was the most unexpected

762
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,000
scene in the entire movie that I
all of a sudden had like tears

763
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,600
in my eyes of this poor girl
who's been thrown out by her

764
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,700
parents, who has been rejected
by the culture because of her

765
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:18,800
abortion and she just wants to
be loved and cared for well.

766
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:22,500
I also think that scene in some
ways, I don't think this is a

767
00:38:22,508 --> 00:38:24,900
perfect movie.
Like it's a really good movie.

768
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:28,500
But I think that Spielberg And
if you watch this film, he's

769
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:32,900
moving the camera all the time.
Like, this movie, technically is

770
00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:35,400
brilliant, but I think
sometimes, I feel like this

771
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,600
movie kind of keeps you at arm's
length a little bit because of

772
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,100
the tone it sets.
And because of what Spielberg is

773
00:38:41,107 --> 00:38:43,900
doing behind the camera, I think
he could use a few more of those

774
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:47,700
moments where he lingers on
people having a motion because

775
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:50,000
he doesn't do it a lot.
He cuts to the next scene and it

776
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,400
doesn't let the emotional impact
kind of resonate, but I also

777
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,100
think that for me, when I was
watching that scene any Adams

778
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:58,800
kind of confessed This to him
and He does care about her but

779
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,100
then he says like, you know,
what would you think if I

780
00:39:01,107 --> 00:39:04,100
married you essentially but what
if you were my wife and I think

781
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:06,800
the way that that that shot is
framed I think the way you focus

782
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,000
on DiCaprio in that moment, what
they're trying to say or what it

783
00:39:10,008 --> 00:39:13,800
comes across as is he's thinking
a couple steps of head of how he

784
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,200
can keep conning people.
Not that he doesn't love Brenda

785
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,600
not that, he doesn't want to
marry her, but he's using it as

786
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,000
an opportunity.
And I think the fact that they

787
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,100
use characters that way in this
movie to keep the con going, it

788
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:28,700
doesn't let any real.
Emotion creep in it for the most

789
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:30,300
part.
But I think that's the beautiful

790
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:34,300
thing about the movie is that
the, the essence of the movie

791
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:39,100
is, am I going to create a con
for my life of a fake reality?

792
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:44,000
Or will I, you know, lean in to
what's real in my life and when

793
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,300
you lean into a con Ally, you
can't experience.

794
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:49,500
Emotional depth.
Yeah.

795
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,400
And you see that?
Yeah, in Leonardo DiCaprio's

796
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,100
character throughout the entire
movie.

797
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:56,500
One of the things I really
appreciated about the movie is

798
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:58,900
that That, that segment of the
movies, I guess, what I would

799
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:01,900
call the middle third, and
usually, in a movie, the middle

800
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:03,800
third is what sags and what
really drags.

801
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,200
And I think that in this movie,
they really leaned heavily into

802
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,300
the comedy elements in that
second part.

803
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:12,100
And it kept things moving
DiCaprio has some great comic

804
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:16,800
timing when he goes over to Amy
Adams, parents house for dinner.

805
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,600
And you get the great moment
where he says Grace where he

806
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,400
just retells, the story about
the mice, churning, the butter

807
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,400
but then he also says, I'll just
kind of off the cuff.

808
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:28,000
Oh, I used.
I have I passed the bar I'm also

809
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:28,900
a lawyer.
Yeah.

810
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:31,700
And then Amy Adams goes oh
you're just full of surprises

811
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:37,800
and DiCaprio just kind of goes.
Yep, you realize it's just sunk

812
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,000
in that.
Now he has to pretend to be a

813
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,400
lawyer and he just gave himself
away that I really loved that.

814
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,300
They kept things moving along in
that second third.

815
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:49,000
But I do think it came a little
bit at the expense of Amy Adams

816
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,300
character because they made her
a little bit too

817
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:55,000
one-dimensional, for sure.
I think she had so much more to

818
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,000
offer this film that.
Was not fleshed out.

819
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,200
They use her as somebody for
Leonardo to bounce off of.

820
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:04,300
Yep.
That like I wish that she had

821
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:07,500
been in the movie more because I
loved her when she was in this

822
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:10,500
movie, it did produce the best
joke in the whole movie though

823
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,200
when the FBI finally comes and
finds him at the house at the

824
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,500
engagement party, whatever the
reception is that they're having

825
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:20,300
and he pulls Amy Adams upstairs
and he's talking to her.

826
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:22,700
And he opens up a suitcase
that's full of money.

827
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:24,900
And first of all, they do most
of that in one shot and it's

828
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:26,500
really, really cool how they do
it here.

829
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,100
Opens up the suitcase that's
full of money and she starts to

830
00:41:29,107 --> 00:41:31,300
understand.
This is not the guy I love and

831
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:33,300
he says, you know, I'm not an
airline pilot.

832
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:36,900
I'm not a doctor.
I'm not a Lutheran, I'm not a

833
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:38,700
lawyer.
I'm this is my name.

834
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:40,800
This is what I do.
This is all my money and her

835
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:47,400
reaction is you're not a
Lutheran like that's what she

836
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,900
cared about the most.
I laughed out loud at that

837
00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:52,500
moment.
But the thing that I loved about

838
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:55,600
that moment is because it's so
true to real life.

839
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,400
When your world is Spiraling
around you, you grasp onto what

840
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,300
the one thing that you know, and
for her being a Lutheran is like

841
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:06,000
one of the core things about her
identity, we're talking about

842
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,500
the Old South here, right?
That if he's not a Lutheran that

843
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:12,000
truly is the most important
thing for her.

844
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,900
So that's what she asked.
But it was such a good glimpse

845
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:16,000
into her character too because
she's, you know, even though she

846
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,000
talks about having an abortion
and all these things, she's

847
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,200
still so innocent.
Yes.

848
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,300
And and her big hang-up is you
mean you're not a Lutheran, I

849
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:26,200
loved it.
Oh, it's brilliant and like when

850
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,100
you want to Talk about perfect
writing to relieve tension in a

851
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:33,900
highly tense moment.
Yep go watch that scene.

852
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:36,800
Absolutely, it's so good.
So I want to get back to our

853
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,700
favorite scene in the movie.
And this is after DiCaprio, has

854
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:42,400
been captured in France.
He's been flown back to the US.

855
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,700
He finds out on the plain, that
his dad has died.

856
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,100
And then he finds a way to
actually Escape out of the

857
00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:49,700
plane.
And the first place he runs is

858
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:52,000
to his mom's new house with her
new husband.

859
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,900
Before we get into that.
Can I just say, I've read about

860
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:58,700
his real life, he actually
Escaped from a plane on the

861
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:01,000
taxiway in real life.
Yeah, this isn't, this is not

862
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,300
made up is that this really
happened like when Carl Hanratty

863
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:07,100
is watching him run off the the
airway tarmac?

864
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:08,900
Yeah, the tarmac.
Could you imagine that happening

865
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:12,200
in real life?
Like it's so like it's so

866
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,900
incredulous I could never
imagine that.

867
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,700
And the first place that he goes
as to his mom's new house with

868
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:21,200
Jack Barnes his dad's old
friend, what a jerk.

869
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,200
Yeah, forget Jack Barnes but he
runs up to the window and

870
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,900
Spielberg has been set.
Us up for this emotional payoff

871
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:30,600
and if you pay attention, it's
so brilliant because there's two

872
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,500
points in the movie before this,
where DiCaprio walks into a room

873
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,900
and he sees a husband and wife
just enjoying each other and and

874
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:41,500
in love, and it's his dad and
his mom slow dancing.

875
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,100
And then later it's Amy Adams
parents dancing with each other

876
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:48,600
and he's always framed as being
on the outside looking in.

877
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:51,900
And it really Clues you into
DiCaprio's character, is that

878
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,800
it's not that he's really
looking for love in that way.

879
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,400
It's that he's looking for a
sense of family.

880
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,600
And a sense of belonging because
his family was ripped away from

881
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,100
him and shattered.
And now, in this moment, he's

882
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:06,000
literally on the outside of the
house, looking in the window,

883
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:08,500
and it's like this.
This scene is so emotionally

884
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:11,700
shattering to me because you get
the payoff of what they've been

885
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:14,200
building towards you think he's
going to finally get that for

886
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,900
himself.
And instead the married couple

887
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:21,700
that he's looking in on, is this
unnatural Union of his mom and

888
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:25,000
the guy who stole his mom away
from his dad and then you find

889
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,500
out not only that but they've
made a family without him and

890
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:32,200
now they have a kid and he's not
even part of a family anymore.

891
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,600
Can I tell you the one thing
that detracts from that scene

892
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,700
for me?
Yeah, I don't have a file that

893
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:40,500
girl was probably like 5 or 6
years old.

894
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,300
I don't have a five or six year
old, wouldn't she have screamed

895
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:47,900
bloody murder when she saw him
getting outside the window.

896
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:49,900
It's very clear that did not
happen in real life.

897
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:52,700
Like so like that's my only
struggle was that was so

898
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:55,900
unrealistic to me partially,
because, of how he looked, like,

899
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:58,000
he looked An Ax Murderer, well,
for sure.

900
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,300
And it's sunken eyes and the
time spent in the prison in

901
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:01,500
France.
Would you know?

902
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:03,400
Very realistically.
And the first question he asked,

903
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,100
is like, where's your mommy?
Yeah.

904
00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:07,000
Yeah, yeah, not.
He's like super creepy.

905
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,600
Yeah.
Yeah, I will say that took that

906
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,300
was probably one of the few
scenes for me, where I was like

907
00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:14,300
what?
Like this is not realistic.

908
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:16,400
There's no way this would have
ever happened.

909
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,000
Yeah.
So I will say that was a

910
00:45:18,008 --> 00:45:20,900
struggle for me.
But putting all that aside, the

911
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:24,700
emotional weight of that scene
that you just talked about

912
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,300
cannot be denied it.
Spielberg is a master of the

913
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:33,900
emotional moment and he hits you
so hard with Leo is outside of

914
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:35,900
the family.
He's not accepted.

915
00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:39,800
He has nowhere in this world.
The other moment that resonates

916
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,300
with that of him being on the
outside looking in is when he

917
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:45,300
calls Carl for the first time on
Christmas.

918
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:47,700
And at the end of the
conversation, Carl goes, well,

919
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:49,800
what the heck?
Are you calling me for anyways?

920
00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:52,500
People only know what you tell
him Carl.

921
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,200
Well then tell me this Barry
Allen Secret Service, huh.

922
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,200
How did you know I wouldn't look
in your wallet Yankees, always

923
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,000
win.
Nobody can keep their eyes off

924
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,600
the Pinstripes, the Yankees win
because they have Mickey Mantle,

925
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,100
no one ever that's something
uniform You sure about that

926
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:15,000
Carl?
I'll tell you what, I am.

927
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,500
Sure of You're going to get
caught.

928
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:21,200
One way or another.
It's a mathematical fact that's

929
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,600
it's like Vegas House.
Always Wins.

930
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,900
I'm sorry, but I have to go.
You didn't call just to

931
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:41,000
apologize.
Did you more than you have?

932
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:55,500
No one else to call.
There's a moderate night and

933
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:58,500
here and then you see the light
bulb over Tom Hanks, head.

934
00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:02,900
And he goes wait a second.
You don't have anybody to call.

935
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:05,500
You're a con man who has no
family, no friends.

936
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:07,300
It's Christmas.
You want to be a family?

937
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:09,000
So you called me.
Yeah.

938
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,900
And he just laughs his butt off
and I think that's I hate that

939
00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:17,200
they Hank's that character beat
where he's like he laughs at

940
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,200
DiCaprio in that moment because
you feel so much sympathy for

941
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,100
DiCaprio that it actually took
me out of enjoying Hanks in that

942
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:27,900
movie because they make Hanratty
kind of a jerk for a long period

943
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:30,200
of this movie.
Well, for me that was okay

944
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,600
though because it was so early
in the relationship, right?

945
00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:36,100
You know, it later in the
relationship, you see him care

946
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:38,700
more deeply.
So for me him being that

947
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:42,500
uncaring at the start gave an
arc to the point where he does

948
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:43,300
care about.
Right.

949
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:45,600
And I think we're that really
pays off as at the end of the

950
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,800
movie, where DiCaprio is now
working for the FBI and they

951
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,100
give him the option basically to
show up on Monday morning and

952
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:55,100
DiCaprio decides to run away one
last time and he puts on the

953
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:57,600
pilots outfit.
And he's walking, you know, Down

954
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,700
The Concourse and Hanks is there
and he's just walking after him

955
00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:03,600
slowly.
And they're talking about, you

956
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,900
know, if you do this, you're
going to prison for 50 years and

957
00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:07,200
you're gonna die.
DiCaprio's.

958
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,900
Like, I don't care.
Since she was 4 years old, you

959
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:12,600
lying.
She was fall when I left now.

960
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,700
She's Teen.
My wife's been remarried for 11

961
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:18,500
years, they see grace every now
and again.

962
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:21,700
I don't understand.
Sure.

963
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:24,200
You do sometimes.
It's easier.

964
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Living the LIE.
You got to let you fly Tonight.

965
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,000
Frank I'm going to try to stop
you because I know you'll be

966
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,300
back on Monday.
Yeah.

967
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,800
How do you know I'll come back?
Look.

968
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:48,000
Right.
Nobody's chasing you.

969
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,100
And when I watched this movie,
as a younger viewer, I always

970
00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:00,400
thought that like, this is gonna
be terrible analogy.

971
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,200
But like, you know, like with
serial killers, how they always

972
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,100
say, like, they want to get
caught, they leave notes.

973
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,100
They want someone to figure them
out and put them behind bars.

974
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:12,000
I always looked at Frank that
way, like, he wanted.

975
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:14,400
That's why he left his wallet
with Tom Hanks, earlier in the

976
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,800
movie.
Like he wanted to be caught, but

977
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,900
it's not really that like, Frank
doesn't want to be caught.

978
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,100
As much as he wants someone to
chase him?

979
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:24,100
Yes.
And I think what this movie does

980
00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:29,400
so brilliantly is that it shows
that Frank is really this kid

981
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,800
who wants to feel like he's not
alone.

982
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,200
The interesting thing that that
just sparked my brain is that

983
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,900
his father continually portrays
and dreams this idea of the

984
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:45,600
chase that, you know, your mom
was dancing and there's 200 men

985
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,200
in that little Social Hall.
Yeah.

986
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,600
And I said, I'm going to get her
right and he did Right.

987
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:52,700
And so he continued it.
Portrays, that chase will who's

988
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:54,500
chasing Frank?
Who's wanting?

989
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:57,400
He wants to have pursued and
it's not, it's not in a romantic

990
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,300
way necessarily it's in a way of
emotional intimacy.

991
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:03,500
And the point that he gets to
with his dad is that his dad

992
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:06,500
kind of sends him away as a way
of like, get out of here.

993
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:09,500
Like, go Live Your Dream.
And Frank actually has his great

994
00:50:09,500 --> 00:50:11,700
scene with walking where he
comes back and sees his dad in a

995
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:13,200
bar.
And he tells his dad to his

996
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,800
face, tell me to stop.
Tell me, tell me not to do it

997
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:19,200
and then Christopher Walken
tells him like, you're not going

998
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,000
to stop.
But that's not what Frank wants

999
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,000
to hear, like Frank wants
somebody to pursue him so he

1000
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,000
doesn't feel alone so that he
can feel cared about.

1001
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,100
And even at the end of the
movie, you understand, that he

1002
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:33,000
really is just a kid who's
looking for intimacy.

1003
00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:36,200
And I think the message of this
movie in a lot of ways is like

1004
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,700
the effect.
That a divorce can have on a

1005
00:50:39,707 --> 00:50:43,000
kid.
Your kid will become a famous

1006
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:48,700
con man, but but I wasn't
expecting that much of an

1007
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:51,900
emotional undercurrent In this
movie because, you know, this

1008
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:55,300
came out the year after Ocean's,
Eleven, heist movies, Khan

1009
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:59,000
movies were in big demand and
for Spielberg and the

1010
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,900
screenwriters.
This movie to weave that

1011
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:04,500
emotional Foundation, underneath
everything that's happening.

1012
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:06,800
They didn't have to do that.
This would be a fun movie, no

1013
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,600
matter what, but it really
catapults it into another level

1014
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:14,100
that they add that layer of his
character to it, the filmmaker

1015
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:16,500
Guillermo del Toro, who's one of
the most famous directors

1016
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:19,900
working today from Mexico.
He's actually a huge fan.

1017
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,400
An of Catch Me If You Can and he
has come out and said, Catch Me

1018
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,600
If You Can, is essentially a
perfect movie.

1019
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,500
He's talked about Spielberg's
Direction and how everything has

1020
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:29,700
a purpose.
And I think right now, we're in

1021
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:32,400
an era where people are finally
starting to look back on, Catch

1022
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,400
Me If You Can and talk about it,
as maybe one of the better

1023
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,500
movies of Spielberg's whole
catalog.

1024
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:41,100
And we've overlooked it because
it's kind of this more

1025
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:43,800
lighthearted, you know, in
general a light-hearted movie.

1026
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,900
But Brad, I'm really interested
to hear you said, you might

1027
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:48,500
think this is Spielberg's.
Best movie.

1028
00:51:48,500 --> 00:51:51,500
Do you think first of all?
All that people need to go back

1029
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:55,100
and re-evaluate this movie.
And then, secondly, how would

1030
00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:57,200
you score it out?
Well, firstly, that's an

1031
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:57,900
obvious.
Yes.

1032
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,000
Yeah.
Like, you need to go watch this

1033
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,900
movie again and don't just watch
it from a comedic sense of like,

1034
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:07,400
oh, let's just watch the Capers
and mad Adventures, that Frank

1035
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,300
gets into, like, really watch it
for the depth for the Deep

1036
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:14,700
moments where he looks at his
father and says, you know, tell

1037
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:19,200
me to stop when he, when he's
with Tom Hanks and he's begging

1038
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,700
Tom Hanks, To give him some sort
of intimacy.

1039
00:52:21,700 --> 00:52:24,900
Watch it for those moments, what
you just said about Guillermo

1040
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:27,300
del Toro, makes me feel better
about this.

1041
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:31,500
I finish this movie thinking,
10/10, and I finish this episode

1042
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:33,400
thinking I'm giving it a 10 out
of 10.

1043
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,200
It's awesome.
And honestly I've given I think

1044
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,900
three or four movies, a 10 out
of 10 so far.

1045
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,600
Yeah, I think this is my
favorite of those movies.

1046
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,600
So I went through a really
interesting Journey with this

1047
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,800
movie because I, you know, I saw
it when it first came out, I was

1048
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,000
probably 12 or 13 when it came
out and I loved it.

1049
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,200
I thought it was a really fun.
V.

1050
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,800
And then over the years, I
started hearing these kind of

1051
00:52:52,808 --> 00:52:55,600
Rumblings from critics that this
might actually be a great movie.

1052
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:58,800
I put it on our list because I
was like, yeah, I think this

1053
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,100
might be a 10 out of 10 but I
feel like I swung the pendulum

1054
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:05,100
so far in both directions that I
came back to this movie and it

1055
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:06,300
kind of evened me out a little
bit.

1056
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:09,000
I do think it's a great movie.
I do think it's one of

1057
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,800
Spielberg's best movies.
I think it deserves critical

1058
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,200
attention and I think that
people need to appreciate it

1059
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,700
more.
But like I said, there are

1060
00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:19,100
moments in this movie where
Spielberg goes, so heavy in the

1061
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:21,400
technical side of things.
Things that it keeps us at arm's

1062
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,600
length.
And I think because of that I'm

1063
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,000
going to give it an eight and a
half.

1064
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:28,300
I know Brad's already mad at me.
But when you think about it, an

1065
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:31,300
eight and a half out of ten and
you're talking about like if

1066
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:33,000
everyone on Earth thought this
movie was an eight and a half

1067
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,800
would be one of the most
well-regarded movies of all

1068
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,600
time.
I think it has some flaws.

1069
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,100
I think they could have tighten
it up a little bit.

1070
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:40,900
I think they could have cut some
scenes Out and because of that,

1071
00:53:40,900 --> 00:53:42,700
like it's automatically not
attend for me.

1072
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:45,200
See, that's something I struggle
with because I literally

1073
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,900
finished the movie, and I was
like, other than the scene with

1074
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:49,300
Jennifer Garner.
Yeah.

1075
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:53,000
That like, that's Only seen for
me that was drawn out and I'm

1076
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,200
okay with that scene being in
there.

1077
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,700
You could have tighten it up.
Yeah, other than that, I thought

1078
00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:59,800
the action moved from scene to
scene perfectly, right?

1079
00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:03,500
I thought the cuts were sharp,
the long pans were great.

1080
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:06,900
I, well, this is one of those
those instances Brad were like,

1081
00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:10,200
I love it when you help balance
me out in our scores because if

1082
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,000
you had given this like a six, I
would have been really mad if we

1083
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,300
came out to a seven point two,
five or whatever.

1084
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:18,100
But the fact that you gave it a
10 means we're looking at a nine

1085
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:21,800
point two five and I love having
our average there because this

1086
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,400
is a great movie and just
because I might be under rating,

1087
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,500
it a little bit.
Does it mean that this movie

1088
00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:28,600
deserves to be brought down a
peg because of it.

1089
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:31,200
But we want to know what our
listeners think of this.

1090
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:33,100
Am I right?
Is Brad, right.

1091
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:35,100
Are we right on the money with
our average?

1092
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:37,800
Is it a 9.25?
I was going to say because of

1093
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,400
all the movies we've watched, we
all we don't really have tons of

1094
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,800
variety in our scores.
Honestly, from eight and a half

1095
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,100
to ten.
That's a decently large variety.

1096
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:47,200
From what we normally come out
to.

1097
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,400
Yeah, for sure.
So we really want to hear from

1098
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,600
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1099
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,800
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1100
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,500
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1101
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:01,000
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1102
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,500
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1103
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:06,100
Our number is two one, six eight
hundred five nine, two, three,

1104
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:10,000
once again, that number is two
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1105
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,700
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1106
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:14,500
want to say first of all, we are
still a new podcast.

1107
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:16,000
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1108
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it with your friends, share it
with your family.

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Emily give people a podcast
recommendation, but you could

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also always go over to iTunes.
And apple podcasts, give us a

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five star review there because
it really helps to boost our

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ratings.
We're so grateful and so

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thankful that you guys continue
to join us week in and week out

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for this series.
Yeah, we've seen a boost over

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the last two to three months
that has been so encouraging to

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us, because we love what we do
here.

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We have so much fun, putting out
this content for you that to see

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listeners.
Grow to see you guys sharing it

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with your family and friends as
Huge.

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So keep at it, build the film
and whiskey Community.

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We love you guys, and want to
keep bringing you the best

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content that we can next week.
We're going to be back talking

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about the 1948 classic, the
Humphrey Bogart classic Treasure

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of the Sierra, Madre for the
film and whiskey podcast.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Brett G.
We'll see you next time.

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This is the film.
And whiskey podcast, that

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might've been the most in sync
we've ever been.

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I was literally just thinking
that.

1130
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All right, I could feel the
harmonization of the voices,

1131
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man, we're so good at this like,
uh, like three times last

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episode.
We were like, we're so good.

1133
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We're helping people.
We're providing a public

1134
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service, that should be the
advocate for this one.

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Right.
There was so good.

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This is the film.
And whiskey podcast, that

1137
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,600
might've been the most in sync
we've ever been.

1138
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:42,700
I was literally just thinking
that.

1139
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:45,400
All right, I could feel the
harmonization of the voices,

1140
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:50,200
man, we're so good at this like,
uh, like three times last

1141
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,900
episode.
We were like, we're so good.

1142
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:53,900
We're helping people.
We're providing a public

1143
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:57,600
service, that should be the
advocate for this one.

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Right.
There was so good.