Baby Driver/ Speyburn 10

0:00 In 2017 director Edgar Wright and star Ansel Elgort gave the world, a dynamic and thrilling Heist movie. That drives you to the edge of your seat in 2022. We return to the speyside region of Scotland to try yet another single malt. The film is baby driver, the whiskey is spayed, burnt n, and more view them both. This is the film and whiskey podcast.

0:45 Welcome to the film and whiskey podcast, where each week, we review a classic movie and a glass of whiskey. I'm Bob book, I'm like still jazzed for watching this movie earlier today. Bob, one of my favorite things about you, Brad. Actually, can you tell the people your name because you still? Oh, I'm I'm Reggie. I'm Brad, G. One of my favorite things about you is that you just unironically use the word jazzed. Like, I'm so many words you could use like, you know, like I'm pumped up. I'm psyched, I'm jacked. No, jest, it's a great word, it really is, you're bringing it back single-handedly. Yeah. And let's be really honest. My adrenaline was pumping, I was like taking my My one and a half year old for a walk afterwards and I was like almost like run walking, my adrenaline was like still pumping from having watched it.

1:39 I had a similar experience watching this movie. Oh I should say this week. We're reviewing baby driver Edgar, Wright's 5017 Masterpiece and I had a very similar experience watching this film to the experience. I had watching Top Gun Maverick recently. Yes, driving home. After top gun Maverick. I was like I should go now. Five miles an hour. I literally was like going around one of the like roundabout entrances on ramps, onto the highway it in, like 60 on the curved part of it. And Haley was like, honey, you're not Tom Cruise and I was like, but I could be, but we're the same height, we are the same height, he is also five foot six, he sure is man, which is crazy.

2:23 I've stood next to you. I don't think I could take Tom Cruise quite as seriously in real being. That short, I All I think of, when I think of Tom Cruise's height is the Family Guy version of Tom Cruise, which is just the best thing in the world. Oh man, we're like three minutes in and we're already referencing Family Guy. It's gonna be one of those episodes today, as we look at baby driver now, Brad, you. And I have known each other for a while, but baby driver is one of my Fondest movie-going Memories of all time. And I shared it with you and it's one of our first movies that we shared together because we went to Chicago with a small group of our friends, to celebrate the bachelor party of our friend, Mike Giles and one evening, we were like trying to find something to do in the Chicagoland area and we didn't want to go back downtown.

3:11 So we said, hey, let's all go see a movie. We walked into this theater. Couldn't figure out what to watch decided to leave and then 20 minutes later wanted to go to the movies again. So we drove like to the outskirts of Chicago and went to this tiny mom-and-pop theater to see baby driver. Yeah. And it was Was it was one of those moments where like I had become very cynical about movies. I was cynical about a lot of things in my life at that point. And I remember seeing a preview for baby driver, like, months beforehand, and I remember thinking to myself, as I watch the preview, this movie is, like, the epitome of what is wrong with Hollywood, nowadays? Like, I don't know what it was about the trailer. I've never watched it again since, but I just remember being like this, is why.

4:00 Hollywood is failing and so going into it, you know, it's Mike's bachelor party where, you know, he was like wanting to see it, so I was like, yeah, sure like, yeah, let's go watch it on the inside. I was like, man, F this like I am not interested in this movie and I think that that helped because what we walked away from was just one of the coolest movies I've ever seen in my life. Brad, I don't know if I'm gonna give this movie a 10 out of 10 but I've probably spent more More time wondering if this deserves a 10/10 than any other movie, we've done on the show because everything about this movie works, it just it. The rhythm of this film is perfect even that at points where you think it's going to kind of start to drag a little bit. Something happens to liven, things back up. It's just like an expertly constructed movie and I hate to use the car metaphors.

4:55 But like, everything about this movie, it's it clicks. And it Is on all cylinders the whole way through the movie. Yeah. It literally keeps you at the edge of your see? There it is. We need to just get as many of those out of the way, like, right now. No, dude, this movie. There's so much Beauty in the way. Edgar Wright makes a movie. And from, from what I have heard, he's not like the most chill director to ever work with, but from what I've heard, he's a he's a pretty cool director. Like Like he's not super anal about everything, but he does have a very specific vision and Direction and an idea of what he wants and he accomplishes it in just such masterful ways. All right, I think it's time for us to move into Brad explains America's favorite segment, but as we get into that, we do want to remind you about our patreon patreon.com film whiskey. If you go to that site, you'll find that you can support our podcast at Three different tiers, A3 A5 and A7 dollar-a-month.

6:03 Tear at each tier, you get tons of bonus perks, especially at that seven dollar tear. But at all three tiers, you get access to a special discounted server that Brad. And I are on every single day talking to the members of filmin whiskey Nation. So please check us out at patreon.com film whiskey. Brad, it's time for this segment. Brad explains where you break down the plot of the movie that you have just seen often for the first time brought have you watched this movie since we saw it together, five years ago? Yeah, this is my third time. Watching it at said, some point. I made my wife, sit down and watch it because I thought she would enjoy it. She wasn't as big of a fan. She used the words that was a really sad movie. I was like, all right.

6:50 Yeah, I guess it. Kind of was people died. I have been trying to get my wife to watch this movie for, like, four and a half years now, and it just has not happened here. We won't watch this movie. I don't know if it's that, she won't watch it, but I always try to give her options so I'll like, you know. Yeah. But three Blu-rays and be like, pick what you want to watch and she's never picked baby driver. Mmm, bums me out dude. I'm in the same boat as you. You need to just walk up and like put three different copies of Be driver and three different movies and then just put it in and be like well don't know what happened? Babe guess. We'll just watch this. Just make a cover that makes it look like it's a Jane Austen adaptation or something. Yeah, exactly.

7:30 Just pull out the Pride and Prejudice wanted put it in the baby driver. Alright Brad we have 60 seconds on the clock. Can you break down the plot of baby driver? Baby driver is about a young man who has been coerced into working for a crime board. And under Lord knows what he is. He's Kevin Spacey and we were not going to say his name anymore at all in this podcast. He is persona non grata if you will. Yeah, so he's working for this crime boss and he is a phenomenal, getaway driver and he's paying off his debt. In the midst of doing this, he finds himself going to a diner where his mom worked at and he Finds a girlfriend there, girl that he's very attracted to 10 seconds and his life comes into issue, man. This is a, this is a bad Brad, explain. Yes, it is and time.

8:29 All right, we're not going to offer any more explanation about this movie. That's it. He's a driver and he likes a girl. There you go. And I think that's all you really need to know. Yeah, I'm gonna die. I'm going to try to summarize this because I can't let our listeners. Just hang in the air with that. Yeah you can Bob just let it very fun. Okay, so maybe driver, we've been doing a mini series on Edgar Wright films. This is the third and final one. In this mini series, we looked at Shaun of the Dead last week, we looked at Scott Pilgrim. And now we're looking at Baby driver and I said, last week that on the surface, it seems like Scott Pilgrim maybe kind of the outlier there because its stylized in such a very different way, but that, I believe that baby driver was actually the outlier.

9:15 When you, when you look at the themes that are usually kind of underlying Edgar Wright's movies. And it's not to say that this movie is like devoid of anything under the surface. I think they do a good job of trying to give you some sympathy for the character of baby and his backstory. But ultimately Brad this is this is pretty much a surface level movie and there's nothing wrong with that. It just works like gangbusters but I would I do think that like among Edgar Wright's filmography that we've seen, this is definitely the outlier. I love that you're giving me crap about using the word jazz. Aged and then you, you bust out gangbusters is going to see the movies and drums. Just gonna say welcome to this week's episode of old-timey, 1930s.

9:58 The podcast You'll Never Take Me Alive copper. That could be the subtitle of this move. It's true. Dude, this movie is just fun and witty and just rhythmic and beautiful. And I don't even care what we talk about. First, where do you want to go? No, why don't you touch on? What I was just saying about Edgar Wright and this being the oh yeah. Yeah, it's interesting because he still has the, the basic setup of like, here's a young man finding himself in the world, right? And this time his coming of age is to win a girl, which is, I don't know. Is that like the classic coming-of-age story? Like, I want to grow up so I can win this girl's affections. That's a mean.

10:45 Yeah that's a nice template for one that's for sure. Yeah. Well, that's a pretty simple one and it works here. I think Lily James is freaking spectacular in The Limited role that she's given the moment where she's pouring coffee in her hand is just shaking and you can like feel the terror in her. It really grounds the movie in a lot of ways, but I think for Edgar Wright himself as a director, it feels like simultaneously. The coalescing of everything he has tried to do as a director and yet at the same time, a movement away from some of the things that made him Edgar Wright and previous films.

11:28 Yeah, I think that's for sure. And one of the ways that I noticed It in this movie I texted this to you like halfway through watching it is that this is like a Hollywood movie with a capital H, the way that Shaun of the Dead, you know, mimicked, a lot of American independent cinema, but still felt very British. This is like, Hey, we're going to bring this guy over to Hollywood. We're going to give him all the resources in the world and he's going to make his movie. That's undeniably his but it's the most polished slick version of Movie that he could possibly make and I get I, I sound like, I'm, I'm like crapping on this movie and that's not it at all because I think this is like a nearly perfect version of an Edgar Wright movie but it just it reminded me of like us watching Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs versus us watching Django Unchained or Inglourious Basterds. You know what I mean?

12:24 Like with with 10 years of time in between I guess it was 13 years between Shaun of the Dead and this movie you can tell That he's grown a little bit as a filmmaker, but he's also learned like how to use those trademark kind of like whoosh and quick pans that he does and where to place them in the movie and this movie Just flows. So seamlessly even compared to a movie like Shaun of the Dead. Yeah. The cinematography in this movie is stunningly. Just beautiful. Like the way he films a car chase is the most exciting car I think I've ever seen in a movie like this. There's a lot of great car.

13:07 Chase scenes in cinematic history, but man. Oh man, does he know what he's doing? There were certain moments of the film where it felt like they took the final chase scene in charade, you know, where they're like, cutting between the different characters who are running as the camera whips past the columns. It felt like they were doing that at moments, but with cars going, 80 90 miles an hour. Our in downtown Atlanta for Chic. It's just Bonkers. Cool. What do you think it is? That makes movies like this? So cool. I mean, there's a long line, a long tradition of car, chase movies and I can't say that every car chase movie appeals to me. But, you know, in the 60s, there's the classic Steve McQueen movie Bullitt, I mean like, we've seen some good Chase movies, even on this show and I brought up top gun Maverick a minute ago, like what is it about? Dudes in machines that go fast that just make a movie. So awesome.

14:07 That's like what the entire first Top Gun like lived on was just like, hey, here's some planes that go really fast and do cool things. And like the second one Builds on that and makes an even better movie. But there's just something in the human soul. And I would even say that it's necessarily a male-dominated thing. Although I think guys in general would enjoy it more, there's just something about watching humans be phenomenal at something that is captivating and when they're phenomenal at things that you just instinctively know, take a lot of talent and a lot of practice and skill like there's a reason you watch soccer or football or something and like it's almost artistic what they're able to do. You know, you watch LeBron driving down the lane and you can watch him do it a billion times like he's done it. And yet, there's still something beautiful about him, rising up above, everyone else, and slamming that basketball home. And the reason is because we all just instinctively know, the amount of time and effort and energy and, and to produce that product.

15:17 And so, when you're watching that, it's a combination of the people who made these cars, put all this time, and energy, and effort and attention into it. And, and the people who learned, how to drive cars in this way, have taken it beyond anything. I Hi, is an average viewer of this movie could do with a car and so watching them, do all that. And then the way Edgar Wright cuts it all together in the, the music that he puts to it. I've just dude I'm just getting Jazz thinking about it. You're getting jazzed again man. I've been thinking about this a lot especially with a movie like this. And I think that there is whether you know, it or not, there's an appreciation of filmmaking that goes on with a That is this logistically hard to pull off? Like a, a Chase sequence is much much, much, much harder than anyone realizes, and I think, when you've seen a bad one on screen, you start to realize how hard it is to do a good one because there's really two ways that you can go off the rails. You could make it seem to like static like if you watch like real old TV shows where there's a car chase, they don't have the budget to really like Mount the camera on the cars or do a lot of different.

16:32 And so you'll just often find like the cameras at the bottom of a hill and you watch the one carve Zoom past and then they cut to the exact same shot. But like, starting at the first point and you see the second car come down the hill and there's 50 of those shots strung together. And that's your car chase. Hmm. The other way is like the attention deficit way, which is too many Quick Cuts, where you don't get a sense of the geography, everything is just incoherent. This movie really beautifully finds the middle ground between In those two where you are like you may not know the layout of Atlanta Georgia. But you understand what direction? Every car is facing. You understand when baby is, like pulling this incredible drift into a U-turn and the cops can't make the turn, and they're crashing into things, and it never seems chaotic.

17:22 Even at the moments of the film where the characters are experiencing a chaotic moment. You as the viewer are always aware like subconscious. SLI that there is like a master behind the camera putting this stuff together. Yeah, the the way he orchestrates these Chase scenes and and there's like so much action going on at once and your brain is struggling to keep up with everything that's happening. And I think a good scene that illustrates this is when they're doing the final heist of the movie and he drives around the back and he's sitting in the car and your brain, you know, the plan, you know what buddy? And darling or doing, you know what bats is doing and you see him sitting back there and he shakes his head, no to try and keep that lady from going into the bank and she gets the, the cop to come out. And like the way he moves from that, like, little level of tension to Jamie Foxx holding a gun to his head, telling him to drive and then and then baby like crashing the car and murdering Jamie Foxx.

18:31 Like Like the way he builds the tension in that scene and he tells you everything that's supposed to happen and then shows how it all goes wrong. And then after that it leads into this, I don't know like 10 minute long chase scene of the cops running after him him driving away. It's epic. Like I don't know if there's another word to describe it, this movie is just epic. This is one of those movies and this is not a reflection at all of what you've been saying so far, but it's one of those Movies where as I'm watching it. I think to myself Brad and I could probably talk about this movie for two hours on end. And then we actually get behind the microphone and I find that we just say the same three things over and over and over you, don't amuse? Yeah.

19:15 Like how many times can you just say this movie is awesome? Because like, that gets stale really fast, but honestly, it's just one of the most purely entertaining films. I've seen in the last 10 years. Probably, you know, it's right up there in a similar way. A with like a Mad Max Fury Road where it's this brilliantly constructed action movie, that is a singular vision of its director. Then I told you this right before we hit record I don't know if I would consider this an action movie. Like, it doesn't have those big Hallmarks of what you think, you know, when you used to browse the video store and you see action, and it was like 50 year old Arnold Schwarzenegger in collateral damage or Judge Dredd.

19:58 Yeah, like any of those kind of movies. It has some great Chase sequence. And there's like one explosion in the movie and that's pretty much it, but it's the way that the action punctuates. The story that really does make it one of the most perfectly constructed action, movies, I've ever seen. Well, let's let's move on. Then from talking about how just freaking amazing this movie is and talk some specifics. I want to hear your thoughts on the actors in this movie. Where do you want to start Bob? Well, we're going to have to Wade through the Minefield that Is cancellation corner here and let's just talk about the two problematic people now.

20:38 And again, we we've talked about Kevin Spacey on this show before we've actually kind of steered away from doing more Kevin Spacey films on the podcast because as more details of his story have emerged, it's just it's really hard to talk about. Oh, he's so good in this movie knowing what's going on off camera? And you know, for the purposes of this show, we are going to stay. Trained to the to what we saw in the movie and the performances of the actors. But you know, we do acknowledge what's what's going on with both of these two very problematic actors. Weird that we don't condone anything that they may or may not have been doing off camera and it sucks that we have to make that disclaimer but its necessary. I think Brad.

21:21 Yeah I mean in the end every single actor is a human being and some of them really suck as human beings. And we can, we can observe the fact that like yeah, They're great actor but a terrible human being and I think it's okay to hold those two things intention and recognize that like the very rare times we do a Kevin Spacey movie we're probably going to give this disclaimer every time to say hey like we're not down with what he does. We're not down with the the type of person he has chosen to be but uh, sure. Yeah, he did a great job in this movie. I will say though, I thought he was like just finding this like, Is just kind of being a chill. Kevin Spacey roll.

22:05 Yeah if we're going to start with Spacey we might as well just kind of knock that out. Now I'm with you I think that his character is purposely a little bit. Schlubby like, they don't dress him in really nicely fitting clothes and he looks a little overweight and his hair is not perfectly. You know, quaffed and it's like it's really interesting because he's supposed to be this guy. That's like a major kind of underground crime Lord. And you imagine he has like vast sums of wealth. But you know, he's wearing loose-fitting clothing and I actually really love that decision by the director and Spacey acts it really. Well, he's not going over the top. He has some like clever little turns of phrase that are maybe not the most well-written lines I've ever heard and don't necessarily go with the character that much. But I love that he's kind of the low-energy guy in the room, because there are so many Personalities in that room at all times that I Adding another one. Another Corgi character to this Bunch would probably be one too many so it's nice that they used that character to kind of keep things grounded.

23:11 Yeah, it's funny that you say, low energy because on first glance, it feels like baby is kind of the low energy person in the room but when you really watch him, even though he barely says a word when he's in the planning stages of the heists, he has this nervous energy, his knee is always Moving. He's always like kind of bobbing his head to whatever music he's listening to and he really does bring this nervous energy to the room that I don't know. I don't know if I would have that would have clicked for me until you said it Bob that. Yeah, like Spacey is the low energy person in the room there's a great shot. One of my favorite shots in the whole movie, right, at the beginning of the film, when you're first introduced to the crew that pulls off the first Heist, and they go back to the Rendezvous and Spacey is Doling out the money and you get an idea of who Jon Hamm and ASA.

24:04 Gonzales are and that they're you know, they're making out in the corner. You've got Jon Bernthal in there for like a hot second and he's like the crazy hyper one that Jamie Foxx takes his place in terms of being is like spiritual cousin in that movie and then you've got a baby who's just essentially a mute and they're all writing down the elevator together. The shot is like from the point of view of the the inside elevator doors, it so you've got Spacey right in the middle. I got all the guys you know in the crew behind him and Spacey just looks like a beaten down dad and he it halfway through the ride on the elevator. He just breathes in this heavy sigh and you're just like, oh yeah, man. I get exactly what you're going for here. He easily has like five children. He's going exactly.

24:54 That are all under the age of six somehow. Well, and that's the vibe that they're going for here is that he's basically babysitting all these ridiculous. At ease and trying to get them to pull something off without everyone, dying all the time. And I think the unique thing about his character is that, by the end of the film you realize, like, he puts on this hard persona, but he in the tiniest way possible does kind of care about baby and I like that they don't make it this like massive gesture of him like really going over the top for him. It's just kind of this casual like yep, I was in love once. Yeah. Then boom. Like there's no getting out of the situation. So I might as well tell them to run, right? Like it's just a perfect way to play his character Brad since we're talking about the fact that Kevin Spacey is persona, non grata.

25:45 If you had to replace him with someone in this movie. And because and I don't usually ask this question about replacing actors, but given who we're talking about, I thought it was fair game and also because he is kind of the low energy one in the bunch. I don't think Spacey gives a bad performance at all. In fact, I think it's quietly. One of the best performances in the movie because it's hard to pull that off. But I also think that you could probably slot a couple different actors in here and it would work just as well. I don't know if he would be good, the role would change a lot. If he was able to play low energy, I would love to see Jack Nicholson in that role. So interesting.

26:27 See, I feel like Jack has too much of a, too much of a Persona. You know what I mean? Like, even when he's being low energy, he's still Jack. Yep. I was thinking for a while, maybe Tom Hanks, but even that's like, there's too much of a movie star Persona that gets carried into the movie. Mmm, you know, who this man is Danny DeVito, maybe Danny DeVito, you know who? I honestly think would be really good though. Mm, it's almost like this part was written with this actor in mind, then they just chose Spacey instead. But like Tommy Lee Jones I think you know when you think about his character in The Fugitive or in No Country for Old Men, it's like that's this character and he has that kind of Rye sardonic quality to him to.

27:15 I think this would be a really good Tommy, Lee Jones performance. Yeah, I think that's a winner man. Good call. And he also isn't as far as we know an evil human being. I came up. It's a double weight win-win. Okay. How about Ansel Elgort the star of this movie? I, I really liked Ansel Elgort as an up-and-coming actor, and it's a bummer to hear the allegations that have come out against him. And, you know, last year he was in West Side Story and was not a fixture on the promotional circuit for that movie at all. And actually, with caught quite a lot of flack for that film as being like, the worst part of, it actually really liked what he did in that movie, but he's doing something kind of similar here where he is. Responsible for playing a character. Like you said, that seems really low energy on the surface and having to find ways to infuse energy under the surface. And I really do think he does a great job in this movie. Yeah.

28:12 I think that the character of Joe the, the older deaf man that he cares for is the most important part of grounding him that when he rushes back into the apartment to find, Joe, you can feel the panic in his soul like the the desperation that he has in that moment is communicated so beautifully by what Elgort does in that moment and so I think it's moments like that that he really shines and it gives layers to his performance throughout the rest of the film. I also think that he does a phenomenal job of being like, an older teenage guy who's just really acted to a girl and does not know how to like flirt with her or talk to her.

29:04 He's just totally tongue-tied and it's adorable. And like I just thought that the, the chemistry between him and Lily James, which, you know, they don't have a ton of time on screen together was just really, it was just really beautiful and I really liked it. Yeah, they're super Charming. They do have. Great chemistry before we go to break. I want to keep talking just a little bit about Ansel Elgort and then we can get to the rest of Cast in the second half of the episode. But recently, I watched the original Top Gun before I went and saw top gun Maverick and I had never seen it before Brad, man. Yeah, and I love a really, it was a really great movie. Tom Cruise was 24 years old when he starred in that me, man. And then a year later, he goes, and he makes a movie with Martin Scorsese called The Color of Money, which is a sequel to the 1961 movie, The Hustler with Paul Newman and I've heard of that movie.

29:57 She great movie and in watching, both of those movies, back to back. They're both really great Hallmarks of early Cruise where he is like his charm and his Cockiness are what he's like banking on. But even then the cool thing about watching. Those movies, back to back in like a two-day span was finding the little subtle ways that the character in The Color of Money is played versus, you know, Maverick in Top Gun because they're both cocky. They're both Trina overly Charming guys but one of them has a much more like dark heart behind it and cruise does such a good job of finding really subtle ways to portray that. And similarly, like, Ansel Elgort in this movie is really, really similar to the Ansel Elgort. You see in West Side Story, playing Tony he's quiet he may not be the brightest guy, you know? And again this movie has similarities, we're like he's singing and dancing all over the It's too, right. But I think it's so cool to see an actor play. What seems like they pigeon-holed roll and find really, really subtle ways of, you know, Shades of Grey, I guess, or different shades to those performances. Yeah, man.

31:14 I think that I will say not having seen the the new West Side Story. I think that he has a lot of nuance in his performance and the way he talks to Jamie Foxx, It really brings it out. I think that Jamie being the spectacular actor that he is, was like a perfect. I don't, it's like a Paul Newman and Tom Cruise. Like the older actor who has won an Oscar showing the younger guy, the ropes. And I, the scenes were Jamie, and Ansel are together are just electric, and when he grabs, Jamie Foxx's gun and holds him back from going up, you know, essentially to intimidate. Lily James has character.

32:00 There's just so much tension in that moment and an cell has just this determined look in his eyes of like, there are very few things. I will fight for, but this is one of them. All right, man. So we've talked about the two problematic actors in the movie, both of whom give really good performances here. When we come back from our break, we'll break down the rest of the cast and talk a little bit more about director Edgar Wright. But before we get there, Brad, it is time to drink some whiskey. What We tried this paper and 10 man. I love whiskies from the spay so I'm really excited for it. Bob some whiskey Nation. Do you ever think about Awards course he do you drink whiskey and watch movies which means that, you know, that nothing is validated until a group of random people say hey we love what you're doing.

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34:25 Yeah, I mean, it might be Bob, I will say, if you don't enjoy it, you'll be excited to find out how much it would cost you to buy it in the state of Ohio, but we'll get to that later right now. We're just going to say that this is a 10 year, aged single malt whisky from the spay region. And it is aged in X American Oak bourbon casks, as well as X Sherry, casks. All right, so we recently got some feedback from a listener that their favorite way to enjoy our whiskey reviews is When Brad comes in with notes and Bob drinks it live and that's exactly what we're doing today. I have like literally had no exposure to this whiskey. Before this very moment, I'm opening it up now, I'm going to pour it out in my glass Brad.

35:12 I'm vamping a little So can you, can you give me your nosing notes on this? Yeah, man, I as I got into the nose here, I really liked it a lot. There's some creamsicle kind of like a creamy orange Vibe going on, you get a decent amount of that malted barley. And then, at the back end, it was almost like a sweet mint, like, you know, the which gum brand is it is it orbit that has like the sweet mint gum? It kind of reminds me. Me of that and I really like it a lot. It's not incredibly complex, but there's a lot of nice flavors going on. I give it an 8 out of 10 Bob. Yeah, I like this a lot. It reminds me a lot of English toffee on the nose, but when like some sort of like, a honey under like undergirding all that, it's much brighter than like a dark toffee note, but that's definitely there.

36:05 I'm really digging this on the nose. I think I'm going to give it an 8 out of 10. It has some really nice light fruity. Almost, I Whiskey type notes with a little bit of that Scotch kind of funk. And, and a little bit of smoke on this too. And then that really great toffee Underneath It. All Pretty complex Bradford and only in 80 proof whiskey. So yeah, I'm an 8 out of 10 Bob, the longer we do this, the more I really want to create like a soundboard. We're so we're almost like a 90s radio station that anytime you say fungi just want to hit a button and be like it's got the funk. And just like just play like the Seinfeld base under me for a. Yeah. Oh man.

36:49 Bob getting into the palette here. It's really light and Airy. There's some orange zest going on with a decent amount of honey. And there's like, a few kind of floral notes happening. The the mint kind of drops away and turns into this floral Aroma on your, on your tongue. It definitely drops off a little bit from the nose but still Is a really enjoyable experience. I'll give it a 7 out of 10 on the taste. Oh, I like this a lot. It's okay. So I'll say this, it's a flawed whiskey, but I like it a lot like it. Um, I don't know how to explain it if I could like draw a map of the different zones of my tongue. Like if you could take your tongue and divide it into like nine regions, right?

37:34 Like three in the front through the middle, through the back. This is like Hunger Game districts. Yes, yes. This only hit the middle. Of my tongue, the whole way back. I don't know how to explain it. Like I'm only tasting things on the middle of my tongue and it's really really sweet. You get a little bit of alcohol like in the mid palate and then it kind of disappears again and gets almost watery towards the back end, but that's where you get just a wisp of smokiness, and then it's like, black black, black coffee. And it's really interesting because on the front, it tastes almost like a flavored coffee creamer. And then in the back you get like almost espresso. It's really cool. It's like Drinking a coffee. That is also infused with Scotch whiskey.

38:16 Like I'm super digging this right now. I'm going to give this an eight and a half on the flavor. Dude. Let's go, man, for me, the finish it finished with a little bit more power than the pallet had some Oak, and almost like a cardamom kind of comes through a little bit of spice there, but there's still that continuing honeyed sweetness that I got throughout the entire experience. I am a big fan of this. I'll give it an 8 out of 10 on the Finish. Yeah, it's much more grassy on the Finish than anywhere else. It's not like I wouldn't call it like Pine or anything like that. It just kind of has like a nice soft earthiness to it.

38:57 That isn't overpowering. Like this would be a really good entry point into the world of scotch. I think it offers a lot of flavors that are present on many, many scotches, but just in a much more pleasant way. Man, I really like this bread. I know it's 80 proof like and it doesn't stack up to some of the more like high-proof you know well-aged ones we've ever had. But for what it's trying to be this is a darn good whiskey. I think I'm going to give it an eight and a half on the Finish. Yeah and then we jump into balance and value as far as balance goes. I think that it's a little more impressive on the front end than the rest of the experience. But overall for what you're getting at a You know, 80 proof, whiskey.

39:42 I think it's a really nice balance, I'll give it a 7 out of 10 when I look at the space side, scotches that we've had so far. So we've had a burl hours. We've had at least one McAllen we've had, at least, I think we have for Glenn live. It's so this is at least the fourth Distillery, we've tried in the speyside region. I would really like to have more from this Distillery and see if this flavor profile carries forward, I think this is a spectacularly. Well, balanced whiskey. It's definitely watered down and I think if you're used to drinking something with a little more complexity or a little more of a punch, this might be a disappointment in that way, but when it, when it just comes to the balance of things, they handle this really, really, well, I'll give it an 8 out of 10. And when we get into value Bob, your socks are going to be blown off, man.

40:30 Because this incredible whiskey can be purchased for $27 in the state of Ohio. I like this a lot, man. An especially at 27 bucks. So the last kind of cheap scotch that we did, if I can call it, that was Cutty Sark which was like 15 bucks, this is definitely better than Cutty Sark and I feel like sometimes we, we hype up Cheap whiskey, so much that people will like go out and buy them and then they'll be like, I'm trying. I'm trying it and it's like well dude, okay like please try it but also remember it's a fifteen dollar Scotch, you know what I mean? Like it's not gonna be the best scotch you've ever had and I'll say that about this. This is not going to be the best guy. You've ever had, it's $27.

41:12 It is $27 for a reason, but it's a darn good $27. Mmm. Know what you're getting into for sure. You're not going to be finding a gem, like a Hidden Gem, that all the distilleries and people in the world just forgot about and somehow it got all the way mark down to twenty seven dollars and it should be two thousand dollars. No, it's a $27 Scotch. But again at that price point I'm given this an eight and a half out of ten on value. Yeah, I'm at nine out of ten Bob, I think that this is an incredible value in the world of single-malt scotches and it brings me to a total of 39 out of 50. I'm going to 41 and a half out of 50 Brad. So that brings us to an 80.5 or a 40-point 25 out of 50. Hey, this is in rarefied are getting over the 40, mark for us.

42:05 It's a no-brainer for me in terms of recommending that you buy a bottle of it. I probably I wouldn't recommend trying it at the bar just because you're probably going to spend. I don't know seven eight dollars for a poor This and like it's just by the bottle dude. Just plug down 27 bucks. Yeah, this is a really nice affordable single malt that would be. I would I would just go on a limb and say this is probably the best introduction to the world of scotch that you can get. I'm I won't go that far because I'm pretty sure I've said that exact thing about like five different When scotches on this podcast live happened, Bob, so I'm gonna say it now. I really like this as a pairing with baby driver to like I mean, it's an import from Europe, like, Edgar Wright's, but it's got, its got the heart of the Working, Man. You know what I mean?

42:56 Like, it's a great. Great, great $27 Scotch. I am super pumped to talk about the crowd-pleasing whiskey and the crowd-pleasing movie that we've got on hand this week. So what do you say? We get back into talking about baby. Let's get to it. Today's sponsor is a little bit of a departure from our usual area of expertise. And man, oh, man, I was blown away by their product. Once we received it, I am talking about manscaped. Now, if you're like me at all, you probably seen the manscaped ads and kind of Wonder to yourself like, do I really need like some sort of specialty trimmer to take care of my downstairs business. And I've just got to be honest. I was absolutely wrong there trimmers called the lawnmower for punto and I gotta say, it is the Rolls-Royce of trimmers. It's got a ceramic blade.

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44:26 A burnt n. A phenomenal whiskey to be paired with a phenomenal movie Bob absolutely man. Hey Brad, I don't know. Did we mention this? It's $27, it's 27 bucks. Like that's just going by a blah, leave this and rent baby driver on like Amazon for less than $30. Yeah, what a night. Yeah. A heck of a night, man, especially if you drink the entire bottle, please don't do that. Yeah, please don't even if please, don't you in a friend. That's a lot of whiskey. All right. Brad, it's time for me to go to my weekly, Slaughter to fax in a falsehood.

45:07 I am doing horrific lie, bad. What am I am now, this is episode 10, and I hit last week. I think you might be at four. I think I'm at four and five because we reversed the call on the one week. So I have the opportunity to pull myself up to 500 this week. Yeah, you're coming back, man. You're doing great. All right, I'm proud of you. It's a battle. So this segment is called two facts and a falsehood Brad is going to throw out three supposed facts at me, one of which he has completely made up, and it's my job to figure out which one of these is bogus. All right. Fax number one.

45:49 Easy by The Commodores. Have you ever heard it Bob? I sure have. Okay, just making sure it was included in the film solely because director Edgar Wright asked Ansel Elgort in the casting process. If there are any songs, he like just absolutely Knew by heart and this was the song that he brought up and tried to your loved it and said it's going in the movie. Fax number two, Edgar Wright refused. To hire any English actors for the movie. Mostly due to his due to a desire that he didn't want to be known as like an English director, who always hires some English actors. Okay, fact, number 3, Barbra Streisand. She actually experienced tinnitus herself and it was the basis for a scene in the movie when Jamie Foxx's character had to say, do I look like, I know and effing thing about Barbara effing, And the crazy thing is that Streisand is actually close friends with Jamie Foxx in real life. Edgar Wright was worried about it about how she would react to this, not knowing that fox was close friends with her and fox responded by saying, don't worry Barbara's Gangsta. Oh man.

47:11 That woman was so long that I have to believe that it's true, or maybe I'm writing an or McDonald joke for you. That's true. All I can think about through most of that, was that scene in licorice pizza? Where Brad Bradley Cooper talking? We were talking with the kid about how it's pronounced rice and, and that's tries and yep, that's really funny. Oh man, Bradley Cooper responsible for my favorite movie line of last year and it's in licorice pizza. When he like, Rose trash can through a plate glass window and then immediately turns around and there's two pretty girls and he follows them and says, hey, do you girls like peanut? Butter sandwiches? My favorite line, my favorite line in the movie. Oh man.

47:55 All right. Number one remind me what? Number one was easy by The Commodores. Oh yeah I was in the film because Ansel Elgort knew it by heart and number two was the he refused to hire any English actors. I feel like to could be a A really good trap and that there's like someone I'm not thinking of that's actually British. I think Lily James is British, is it? She was in that movie yesterday I'm going to say to the falsehood and just Bank on the fact that I think Lily James British, Bob, you are 100% correct. Lily, James is British, yes. Ah, look at you go, man, man.

48:35 I'm back to 500. You're absolutely killing it Robert. So let's talk about Lily James. I think that's a great segue into talking about her. Her character in this movie, is kind of a nothing character. And yet, her character is everything to the movie. Like she is the engine. That makes, This movie go again, pardon the car pun, but she's just there to be like a, I don't know what the word is as the supportive girlfriend, like the overly supportive girlfriend, the girlfriend that makes you wonder. Like, why are you still going through with this? This seems like a bad idea just walk away and yet she's so charming and she has such great chemistry with Ansel, Elgort that you buy every second of it.

49:19 And it really is testimony to how great of an Actress, Lily. James is, yeah, I think that one of the few things about the movie for me was, like, I kept teetering on the edge of like they do a really good job of trying to make this movie as realistic as possible. Even though we all kind of know that like hise on this level don't really happen anymore, but like, you can suspend your belief and with that, but the way she just Falls for him and is like, yep, I'll wait five years for you to get out of prison. Like, I'm in love with You like, there's a little bit of suspension of belief there. That requires a lot more faith, but Lily James, just sells it. And I think that you're right in saying that she is kind of the grounding of this film because without her in baby's life like without her, as a character, you 100% are going to see baby fall into the life of crime.

50:21 Like, at the The start of the movie. I think one of my favorite parts of the film is that at the start of the movie? You see baby like who is unwilling and like flinching about violence, like it's not even like people dying. He just sees a woman being like shouted down to the ground with a gun in her face and you can see it's bothering him and by the end of the film, he has turned into Jamie Foxx and he murders Jon Hamm and he's shooting people and he's just the way. Sits in the car. The look on his face. You're like, oh he has transformed into the thing, he kept telling Joe and Lily, he wouldn't turn into and yet he ends up turning himself in he ends up writing his life because of Lily James and I just love the way his character Arc goes into the depths and yet is pulled back out by Deborah in the media. All right, man, we have I think two more main actors to talk about before we wrap this up today and that is Jamie Foxx and Jon Hamm.

51:28 Let's start with Jamie Foxx because we've already been talking about him. A bit Jimmie. Foxx has an interesting actor to me because, you know, he wins an Oscar for the movie Ray way in which he's fantastic. He's and you love the fact that he won that Oscar. There's nobody else that you're that should have won it right below. Nobody, nobody that year. I really love him in Django Unchained and I think that Tarantino really unlocked something in Jamie Foxx that's always been always kind of Nod at me a little bit and I think that it's when Jamie Foxx is trying to be cool on screen. He comes across as a guy who's trying to be cool on screen. Like there are certain line readings that he does where it's like very obvious that he's like trying to flex a little bit and I think that's when he's actually at his worst as an actor. Because the lines that he's not trying to like you know, put extra oomph into, are the ones that work the best. He's very, very threatening in this movie and he works as a villain.

52:29 So so well like 90% of the time and I just think it's such a it's so funny to me because I just saw this clip the other day where Jamie Foxx was talking about his first day on set on Django and how he was trying to read the lines like a cool guy and it's so funny like the way he says it to he's like I walked in there. I was like Tibet, Tibet Tibet Tibet, he's just like that. Yeah, and he says, Tarantino called cut and like took him into the trailer and just goes, what the fuck was that? And like like lights into him and tells him. Like this guy is a slave. This guy is uneducated. He is not going to have that sense of swagger that you're trying to bring to this. At least not yet. And I think that's like the best advice you can give Jamie Foxx as an actor.

53:13 He has it in him to be an all-time great and I think sometimes He's just like, I'm going to turn my swag on and that's when he's at his worst as an actor. But here's the thing though, this entire movie is asking him to be the epitome of swagger and like self-confidence. So like how do you feel about him in this movie? Well that's what I'm saying. I feel like there are times in the movie where he just embodies being a threatening villain so well. And then there's times where you can tell that he looked in the mirror and said, all right be threatening And then also the moments where he's the least threatening to me. Hmm, that's interesting.

53:53 At the very least, I think that Jamie Foxx had like in the the Hall of unexpected movie deaths. I think that his is hands down one of the greatest. I like you sitting in that theater with you guys because I think like all four of us collectively at the same time we're just like, oh yeah I guess what, it really caught us off-guard man. Yeah, I mean it. It's up there for me with, like, The Departed, you know, Leo getting shot. Like there's just certain deaths in movies that are so they just take you by surprise and the way he kills him is just Poetic Justice and absolutely stop. I'm totally there for it, man.

54:36 On the other side, you've got Jon Hamm, who is an actor who has been lauded for the last decade because of his portrayal of Don Draper in Mad Men. I don't feel like he's never quite found. Is footing in movies, 100% like he's really good in everything he does but I've never walked away from a Jon Hamm movie performance. Like wow, that should have been up for an Oscar and I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's almost the same thing with that. I just said about Jamie Foxx but like almost magnified here where I really loved Jon Hamm's performance in the first two thirds of this movie and then when he supposed to just become like this mindless killer seeking Vengeance at the end of the movie.

55:17 I Didn't buy any of that for a second like it still worked because the movie was so, well made and the plot mechanics were already in motion, but I don't know if Jon Hamm is the guy that I would immediately think of is like, oh, what a cool bad guy in this movie. We'll the interesting thing is that they set him up as like almost a bit of like an underworld Father Figure to to and sell like like yes doc you know played by Spacey somewhat takes that role on but he's so cold and Stand that, you never believe that. Whereas, like Jon Hamm sits with him and listens to music with him. And, you know, his wife, / lover is like also, like, kind to him and there's and then there's the just the position of like, but you have to everything up and I'm going to murder you now. And I for me, man, I thought ham was terrifying at the end of the movie.

56:09 I Bought 100 percent his transformation into the bowl. Like, I love how at the start of the movie. This is a comment on Edgar. Right? It feels like when when baby is changing channels on the television and it goes through like Monsters Inc, and a few other scenes, all of those scenes kind of come true in different aspects of the movie and the one that comes through for Jon Hamm, is he turns into the bowl in the arena? Like once he sees red, he's not turning back. Yep. And I would, I thought he was terrifying at the end of the film. Well, I'm really glad that we came out in different places on both of those performances. I still think they work for the most part. But like, if there is anything that kind of pulled me out of the film, just a little bit, it was definitely those two actors Brad.

56:57 As we kind of wind down our Edgar Wright retrospective. Do you have any final thoughts on Edgar Wright's? I mean, how would you rank the three movies that we watched? Where does this? How does this stack up? Especially against Shaun of the Dead? Yeah. Like, what have you learned about Edgar Wright? I think that Edgar Wright has an incredible talent for movement. Like the the way he draws the audience forward through, the story is so kinetic and like just raw and you feel the movie just drawing you forward. Like, honestly, the way you talk about Goodfellas is kind of the way I feel about Edgar Wright that there's an energy to the editing and the Cinematography that just keeps me at the edge of my seat and keeps me interested.

57:50 All right Brad. It's almost time for final scores, but I want to throw a curveball in here. I think we should start a new segment on the film in whiskey podcast new segment and I'll do it. We'll do it very quickly, right before, final scores every week. And this is going to be the first installment, and I'm going to call it this because we're a whiskey podcast. I'm going to call it. I'll make it a double and it's not going to be whiskey related. It's gonna be, it's gonna be here's the premise. If you had to make this movie, a double feature with something else, what would you pair it up with? Like it like a drive-in? Yeah, evening. Yeah. I will say one of the best double features I've ever seen was the first the they're not called Minions.

58:38 What's the first the despicable meaning? Yeah it was Despicable Me paired with Toy Story 3. Hmm. And I was like that was a heck of a because you know Despicable Me I know you don't care for it but like it's a pretty good animated film and then Toy Story 3 following it up was phenomenal. Fun fact when we were on vacation it rained one day so I took My son to the movies and he wanted to see minions the rise of grew. Yeah, I was like, you know what, fine, I enjoyed the hell out of that movie. So hey, so that's Brad's vote, baby driver and minions. The rise of group. There's rise of Peru. No, I man. So what, so the question is, what movie would I pair with this?

59:19 If I was sitting down in the evening and watching a movie back-to-back? Yeah like I'll give you mine. I think that if especially for trying to like theme them up together. I could go two ways. And one would be to go the Jon Hamm route and take this movie and then a movie, he did. Just a couple years later, that was called bad times at the El Royale, which is one of my absolute favorite movies of the last five ish years. And it's like, it's kind of like a Tarantino movie in that. It has like different chapter titles, but all this crazy stuff takes place in one night at a motel and it ends up like everything's on fire at the end. It's, it's Drew God. Heard the guy that made the movie Cabin in the Woods doing Tarantino and it is freaking great.

1:00:04 I love that movie. The Other Rosen called Bob, it's called bad times at the El Royale, okay? The other route that I think you could go is to take the supporting actors in this movie, ASA. Gonzales, and take a movie that she was just in this year, that also involve going very fast in stolen vehicles, and that is Michael Bay's, ambulance. I think you could pair this up and have an ASA Gonzales, you double. You've been pulling for ambulance for a while now? Bob, you know what? Like, 5 years ago, I think I would have been too snooty to admit that. I enjoyed ambulance. And then this year has just been the year of awesome action movies, man. Like, going back to the movie theater and seeing things, like Top Gun and rrr and ambulance at, like, I've just enjoyed the hell out of the movie going experience again this year.

1:00:52 Can I tell you that I sat down opened up Netflix and I saw rrr I watched 30 minutes of that movie and turned it off and was just like, what in the world just happened, but that was one of the coolest 30 minutes of movie I've ever had to buy. Like the way, they way that they take about 10 to 15 minutes, to introduce each of the two main characters. Those scenes are just wild and of these incredible. All right, Brad. So what would your pick be Hey man. I I've been I've been racking my brain as we've been talking about this.

1:01:34 I think this is like, I don't know where this came into my brain, but I think I'm going to suggest and what is it called? It's Adam Driver. And Daniel, Craig, I remember thinking that this looks like a cool movie because it was like the first non Bond movie that? Yeah. Are you talking about Logan? Lucky. Yes. The NASCAR Heist movie. Yes Steven Soderbergh that's a grand Channing Tatum I believe yep. Yeah i-i've watched that once with some friends while I was in seminary and it was quirky and funny and very off the wall and I think it'd be a good good pairing for baby driver. All right there you have it.

1:02:20 We've given you three suggestions for a double feature and that's our first installment of. I'll make it a double Brad. It's time for our final scores and we both Both. Love this movie. I think it's nearly perfect. There's something in me. That's keeping me from giving it a 10/10, but I think I enjoy it like a 10/10 level. Yeah, I think for now I'm just going to say it's a nine and a half but subject to change asterisk on that one. I think I'll give it a 9 out of 10. There's still some issues for me throughout the movie with pacing in the middle of the movie. Like we said, Spacey is like good but not great. But there's not much wrong with this movie Bob and Wouldn't I would 100% agree with you. I enjoy this movie, like, it's a 10. It's, it's just so good.

1:03:06 Even like, dude, when he pulls out the Michael Myers masks and they have the conversation about, which Michael Myers that he should have bought, it's just, it's just witty and, and Priceless. All right, we'd love to know what you think of baby driver. Where does it rank for you among the three Edgar Wright films that we reviewed? Let us know what you think you can find. Us on our social media accounts, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Tick-Tock at film whiskey, or you can jump onto our Discord. Discord is a wonderful place where you can have a community of people on the internet that you get to choose to be a part of their there. It's not open to everybody.

1:03:47 Only the people that join are in and we have great conversations about life about movies whiskey, you know, all sorts of things. So you can find a link to get Onto our Discord. At the end of every single one of our show notes next week, we're starting a mini-series on the American filmmaker Wes Anderson. We're going to be looking at his second feature film. The one that really blew him up in terms of public Consciousness that movie is called Rushmore. We'll be back with that one next week. But until then, I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and we'll see you next time.