Arrival / Woodford Reserve Wheat Whiskey

0:00 In 2016 director Den, evil nerve than a star. Amy Adams gave the world a tense and introspective sci-fi drama in 2022. We escaped the clutches of Scotland to return to America to try a fan. Favorite brand, the film is arrival. The whiskey is Woodford, wheat. And we'll review them both. This is the film and whiskey podcast.

0:45 Welcome to the film and whiskey podcast. Where each week, we review a classic movie and a glass of whiskey. I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and this week we are looking at. Didn't even has 2000 knee. 2016 film arrival Brad. This is, this is a movie from your season 5 list. We are nearing the end of season, five, I think I've got two movies, left. I think you've got this one, and one more. And then we've got a Harry Potter and we are done done for the season. Bob, I think that it did just been way too long since we hung out with our Boyd Denis. Yeah. So yep.

1:25 We had to get him on this season. I gotta just go ahead and call you out at this point, because Cuz I've kind of rake you over the coals for it, but I told you on like many, many occasions, dude, you got to go to the movie theater and you get you have to see Dune before it leaves theaters, like it is Denis Villeneuve with the biggest budget. He's ever. Had making an awesome sci-fi movie like there. That should check every Brad g box and you were like, all right. Yeah, I'll try to get around to it and you missed it, man. Dude, all I have to say is this. There is Oh, chance. That, that movie does not come back into theaters, at some point in our lifetime, I mean, maybe. But like, I think I'm gonna be way harder to get you to go to like, the 20th anniversary showing that happens for one day when we're on season.

2:16 Like 52 of the show, it'll be like, Survivor. Oh man, dude, if I can, if I can remain a relevant as long as Jeff Probst as then I'm doing something right. All right, so of the Denis Villeneuve movies that you have seen because we know that Dune is not one of them. I have to imagine this ranks pretty highly because like I said, this came off of your list and re watching this movie Brad because I hadn't watched it since I saw it in the theater. I gotta say that I'm kind of surprised that this would be a movie that appealed to Brad G. Like it is a very like you said, introspective kind of slow moving film and it really takes its time. And so I'd like to hear like one of yours. I love your subtle digs.

3:05 I'm not even trying to be such a movie. I'm not even trying to be subtle about it. Like, yeah, art and intelligent. He would love things like that. What I've realized is that when you pick the slow-moving film, you're like, oh, it's introspective when I pick the slow-moving film, you're like, this is boring boring as hell. Why would you ever pick this Jesse James? I don't know what what movie you're referring to Bob. Bob, so we're going to move on from there. But seriously tell me like what is it that draws you to this film partially, it's the score. Hmm. Nice. I just love this move. Is this a Johan Johansen score? It is you can do 100 score.

3:48 Yeah, there's a there's this weird like Swedish Electronica artist that I will occasionally listen to and I can't think of his name at the moment but When I first saw this movie, I would have sworn up and down that like the final song that it's very prominent, the end of the movie but it kind of plays throughout I could have sworn that. It was one of his songs and I was like really pumped about that. But all that going to say, I think the music in this movie is freaking fantastic and we need more Swedish Norwegian. Like weird Swedish representation needed you in film scores. We do man cuz it's spectacular.

4:32 All right, so that's one thing. What else? One thing I think, what really draws me in with this movie is the way it uses language as a tool. And I think that it rewards multiple viewings because you just kind of pick up on little things that you didn't see before. And even like the opening line of the movie is, I used to think that this was the beginning of your story and like even That little twist, like you like when you first walk out of the theaters, you don't remember that. That was the first line of the movie, but when you watch it a second time, it's just gotta like it, just it just sits there and you're like, oh oh wait this isn't this isn't the start of the story because time travel and see it in the future and it's you get it.

5:19 Thus, you can tailor alarm is going off right now. We have not as we've not given our fans, the spoiler warning, they deserve yet. That is true. I how popular would you say arrival was? I like how, what percentage of filmin whiskey Nation do you think has seen this movie? Oh, I would say it's moderately popular. Like, I don't think like, 40%, the Christmas will like even comparing it to villeneuve's other movies. Like prisoners made, okay money at the box office, but it was like a long drama and then sicario came out, didn't do great at the box office but that everyone caught it on Netflix and on video and everything else and they were like, oh this is a great movie. So I feel like tons of people have seen sicario on video, you know, on VHS, you know what can ican I rant for like 30 seconds?

6:04 Yeah, go for it man. I don't understand why red box is failing as a business model because like the way movies are working now is that they put a movie in theaters for like three weeks. And then while it's still in theaters, they're releasing it to digital and you can rent it digitally for like nine dollars and then if you wait like another three weeks, they're like, no one. Buys DVDs anymore. Let's just put it in red box and so while it's still like six dollars or eight dollars to rent, it on whatever streaming platform you want to rent it from, you could go to your nearest grocery store or gas station and get it for a buck. And I just don't understand how like, we have reached a point As Americans where we are so lazy.

6:50 That like you can't just go get the Blu-ray for a dollar and you'd rather like spend the nine dollars to watch it. Amazon Prime, or whatever. Bob, I think that you thinking that America couldn't get any lazy. It was that was the Fatal flaw. It's like thinking Fat Bastard. Couldn't eat another chicken wing. All right, that's fair, that's fair. I appreciate it though, man. I'm with you, dude, you would think that the idea of saving money would be like a good impetus to go out and rent it for a buck. But I, uh, I guess I'll see. Is this, I've watched many of my young friends spend like nine dollars to get one cheeseburger and a fry from Wendy's and it's just so that it can be delivered to them. Yet been like if there's anything that ages me faster, it's probably the fact that I just don't understand the GrubHub like food being delivered Ukraine's. I'm like listen man somebody gave me when we when we had Sadie.

7:59 He gave me a 25 dollar gift card and to GrubHub and Hailey. And I were like, man, let's get some like B-Dubs. Right? So like I got like a sandwich. It was 10 bucks, Haley, got some wings, it was like 8 bucks, we're like, all right. It's like eighteen, nineteen dollars. We ended up spending money. For sure ended up costing like $30 to get our 18 dollar order delivered to us. I was so pissed. Oh man, yeah, we're we are a lazy people. All that to say I think probably like 40 percent of our audience has seen a rival. I would say 40. All right. So spoiler alert for that thing. We said four minutes ago. Yeah.

8:41 You know, I was this is a really good movie that you should go to Red Box and rent, are we gonna like die on the hill of red box? Like a mile of red Bob's. Every every week the the it's going to be like the whiskey segment. Would you recommend buying or red boxing? That's great. All right, one more thing before we get into Brad explains because this is just a weird episode already and I'm going to lean into it. I gotta say that I have started identifying a pattern with Brad G selections this season and you know my pattern is very obvious and right there at the top of everyone's Minds. It's always the father-son dynamic. Yeah. In the last few pics Brad, you have had the Prince of Egypt and now this movie and so you are a really lean and into the dead children motif.

9:30 I've got, I've got strained, parental relationships, you've got dead kids. So Bob, I think that 2 out of 15 movies, it does not a theme make I might be reaching but you know, just a little bit. It's just that the wheel of fate, put them next to each other. It sure did man. And this movie just starts off with a dead kid. It's like, hey, welcome to welcome to this alien movie. Hope you enjoy this amazing? Yeah. Child. A hood, cancer. Yikes. All right. Well, on that note, let's segue very abruptly into Brad explains. But just as abruptly, we're going to segue into a Segway an important announcement. Bob, you have an important announcement. I always have the important announcements. We just want to say that whether you're joining us for the first time today, or if you're a longtime listener, please be sure to go check out our patreon at patreon.com film whiskey, where you can become a member for as little as $3 a month. We Have three different tiers of membership, and at every tear you get some sort of perk, you'll get access to our Discord, which were on every single day, interacting with members of film and whiskey nation. And if you pledge at the seven dollar level, you get bonus episodes every single week.

10:45 We do an after show where we talk about the movie for a little bit longer. We asked a discussion question, that's pretty fun. Today, we're going to talk about whether or not aliens are real and what we would do if we ever encountered them. So if you'd like to hear that kind of bonus content, Content. Make sure to sign up at the seventh tier, but, whatever you're able to pledge, we'd love it. If you could check us out on patreon.com film, whiskey. All right, Brad, let's jump into Brad explains. This is the part of the podcast, where Brad breaks down the plot of the movie that he has just seen often for the first time Brad, you've got 60 seconds on the clock. Can you break down in a spoiler? Rific fashion, the plot of arrival.

11:27 Arrival is a film about the importance of Image you follow Amy Adams character. Her name is Luis, you follow her. She is a professor of linguistics, when aliens touchdown on Earth, for the first time she is brought on by the military as an expert to try and help them communicate with the aliens. There's 12 different landing locations and through a series of different tactics and ways of engaging. With the aliens, they slowly learn. This circular language, that is offered to them. And in the midst of that Louise finds her mind, changing she realizes that the process of learning this language is changing how she understands time.

12:10 And through this, she is able to prevent world war three essentially and the weapon that is offered to them is actually language that can help them communicate better and it's a story about life and loss and the importance of living your life, no matter. Consequences. There it is, man. Boom, Brad. I think that there are two movies that we've done on this podcast that are pretty close cousins to this movie, kind of thematically. And I'm there like first cousins, or like second cousins once or how far down the family tree, are they. But I think the two really obvious ones, I guess I'm just gonna go ahead and dive in.

12:53 And I want to tease this because I think this would be a good thing for the second half of the episode. But watching this movie this time, I'm, it doesn't work for me. It just it didn't when I was in the theater and it doesn't now and I have a really hard time explaining it and so I kind of like you to help me parse out why it doesn't work for me or at least, you know, be a listening ear while you completely disagree. I can be like a therapist for you. This says, yeah, exactly tell me how you really feel but I realized in trying to explain why this movie doesn't work that I kept coming back to all of my arguments that I made during As Nolan's Interstellar. Hey, and then I was like oh it's because this movie is doing Evil news Interstellar and the more I watched towards the end of the film, The More I realized, oh this is, this is Denis Villeneuve.

13:46 Trying to do Christopher Nolan like this is him trying to make a Nolan film down to the editing at the end of the movie. And I got to be real with you. I love Denis Villeneuve and I think that he is one of the finest filmmakers alive. I've but no one can do Nolan like Nolan. And I think part of what makes this movie, a kind of a weird outlier for me, in villeneuve's catalog, is that it seems like he's trying really hard to show that he could make a movie, like somebody else. All right? Before I go into counselor mode, I'm going to give you one big reason. I think this is a better. I don't know if that's a better movie than Interstellar.

14:27 Just different to ours. 49 minutes and 1 hour and 56. Yeah that's that's that's Nolan. Nolan does need. Someone to tell him what smile like you don't need that scene but like was just, I was gonna say because --for a drama about aliens and their language. I think that arrival has the possibility of being too slow but because it's only two hours, you know, two hours long just under I think that when you mix in the opening part where she's like parsing out her daughter's death and then you add the end of the film where she's like, kind of her heart is racing and she's trying to solve the mystery. I think that you kind of have this movie in three parts and for me, it works really smoothly, but I want to hear more Bob, tell me about where the bad movie touched you. Well, we will press pause on that. Relation because I do think this would be a really good kind of back half of the episode discussion and I want to start with something that I think we can both agree on and that is Amy Adams.

15:34 Dude, she, she is truly one of my favorite actresses. Oh yeah. Of the modern era. I think that what she's able to do to go from a movie like American Hustle, I think a year or two before this into this role. She's just a stellar actress. I started watching. Anted with my, my kids, a few weeks ago, because it's just a fun movie and that was a movie that she was. I know for sure, Golden Globe nominated for, I don't know if she got the Oscar nomination or not, for that movie. She deserved a nomination and the crazy thing about that is that there are probably one or two, maybe other actresses alive, that could pull off the role in Enchanted, the way she did because there's a way to pretend like you're being a princess and Is a way to pretend like you're being a Disney princess while also being in, on the joke and winking at the camera.

16:31 And yeah, she does it with so much earnestness that it's like it's almost like watching the more heartwarming moments of, like, Michael Scott on the office. Where, Mmm. Yeah. We're Michael Scott's not always aware of Michael, Scott's own limitations and Steve Carell is in those moments. Especially is not making fun of Michael Scott. Like he's just Just sincerely being who Michael Scott is, and I think that's like there's something to that the way that Amy Adams, Steve Carell actors like that, respect their characters and respect their dignity. That, like, Amy Adams has always had that it's just this this resolved and the sincerity and this dignity and it just comes through in everything she does. Bobby, you just use the word that I was going to throw out there.

17:23 She is sincere in her performance. It's she like, she's authentic in the way she portrays, you know, this this linguist and arrival, I will say. Every time you say, I don't know who else could have played this, it gets my brain to thinking about who could have, do you think Anne Hathaway could hold off. I don't and chanted. I don't, I think and I like Anne Hathaway and she's a more talented vocal performer than Amy Adams is. But I think Anne Hathaway at heart is like a theater kid. Hmm. Like she just has that kind of Showman's mentality and I think they'll probably Of the competitiveness to but like there, everyone knows, like when you were in high school, the kid who was like really into doing musical theater whatever and like I love participating in theater but I wouldn't call myself a theater kid if that makes sense.

18:08 Like, there's just a certain attitude, that, that, that those kids have about what they do. And I think that Amy Adams is like, I don't even know if I would say, like, she's too nice because I don't know, Amy Adams. But there is there's a level of Miss that I don't think would come across with Anne Hathaway. Do you know what? I watched her in that just utterly terrified me and like shook me to my core what? Amy Adams? Yeah, what nocturnal animals, dude, you've brought it up a couple times on this show. I think that movies. Great. I know you didn't like it but I think it was literally the most terrifying thing I've ever watched in my life.

18:50 Like how good is Gyllenhaal though to like to, oh my God, I could watch those two. Actors in. You can put them in any movie. Anything? Absolutely anything. I will say if we're getting back to her rival and your Interstellar comparison really quickly. Can you just imagine how bad Interstellar would be if you replace McConaughey with Jeremy Renner? Thank you for making that. Okay, so great segue and I'm realizing this about Jeremy Renner, he actually seems like a pretty great guy like from everything I've heard about him. I've never heard a bad story about him and dude he seems pretty primitive. Have you? Heard of his, his like social media app that he tried to steal his eyes app. Jeremy Renner app. Yes.

19:32 I feel so bad for him like he got internet bullied into shutting down his own app. So here's the thing though, it's like man, I remember when he broke through with The Hurt Locker and everybody was like this guy, right? And then they tried him out in Mission Impossible and you could tell they were going to make him like the bridge. He was going to be the new Mission Impossible guy. And then Tom Cruise was like, no, I'm still doing this and then you just went away and then they were like All right. Well now he's going to be the new Jason Bourne and then Matt David was like nah I'm back just and then they kick Runner out again and you know he does hawk-i and and Hawkeyes thing is like I don't have sleeves like I think that's like his whole character wrapped up it and and I think that's kind of like Jeremy Renner to me. Now he's a pretty good actor but every time I see him in something I just can't help.

20:21 But wonder who else could have done this that isn't Jeremy Renner And I feel guilty for saying that, but like, he's basically a meme of like, generic white action actor. Yeah. And I think like, I just like, literally I just made that phrase up, but I think I don't have, sleeves is probably like the vibe. He gives in every movie. That's the extent of my character. Like, when you, when you go to play Pick-up basketball, to why there's always that one guy who comes in a sleeveless just writer, not a tank established e a cut-offs. Jeremy Renner everyone. Yeah, I don't know, like he's a pretty good actor but I think this movie would have you worked with like nine other major actors better than with him. Yeah, I think that if this movie suffers in any way, it's the fact that you never buy into the relationship between Renner and Adams.

21:19 And the thing is, I don't I hate saying that cuz I don't even think he did a bad job. Like I like, In this movie, he was pleasant. I think he played the role that was written for him. Well so I mean, maybe what I'm griping with is more of the writer. I agree that could have given him a little bit more to do with the film. I totally agree and that's this is where one of the areas where I think the script is like maybe this is where somebody else came in and touch things up a little bit, but they give him kind of like the the George Clooney part, like he's just sarcastic enough and he's just waiting. Enough that they want him to be the comic relief and they wanted to have a little bit of an edge, but to still be really charming.

22:01 And I think that this would be like a perfect Clooney part, because that's the way it's written, but then, I also feel like they set this character up to fail in so many ways because he's in a different movie than everyone else. Like there is a, there's a very somber kind of demeanor about this whole movie. And I understand that, like the point is that she's supposed to get attracted to this character because he kind of breaks through that or whatever. But even like they give him a random bit of narration for a while in the middle of the movie, which doesn't really make sense because he never comes back as a narrator. But, but even in that kind of, you know, few lines that he has in a voiceover, there's a few little jokes thrown in there, and it just kind of, it makes it feel like 45 minutes.

22:45 You're watching a different film than you're actually watching. Yeah. And I think, for me, that they really did make the whole movie, kind of uneven because of the presence of that character. Yeah. Yeah I think that the best way to sum it up. Is you just can't fit jokes in with like Norwegian orchestra music and dead kids? It's just dead kids. Really a bad bad equation. The the sad thing is the moments where he's kind of funny like I genuinely find heartwarming and like there they are like and I mean this in just a very simple way like they're attractive moments, he's just Charming.

23:26 And so, but I still just wonder, like, did we not have enough screen time for him for us to believe that he needed to be that Charming? Did you know, what was it about? The movie that I just didn't find myself connecting with Jeremy Renner in a way that was meaningful. Like, I don't know. But by the end of the film, it's like, he's just kind of written out like, oh, yeah, he just left because he was angry. Yeah, that that I didn't tell him, I could see the The future. Yeah. So I don't know, man. Yeah, I have a lot. I have a lot of problems with this movie. It just it's like, it's kind of like Interstellar in that. It's like, all right, I respect the big swing and the Miss.

24:09 Yeah, I think for me, Interstellar is a bigger Miss than this movie but it also swung bigger. It was a bigger swing. Yeah. Yeah. It was a bigger swing and so I can respect that whereas this movie, I don't think it really missed. Like I think if anything. This is an example of like a solid lead off. Double a Dinger. Yeah. Like he just kind of dinged it out there. It's a solid. Hit it for me. You like walking out of the film. I was just like man that was just fun. Hmm. And I know it might sound weird to say that a movie with a dead kid and, you know, an hour and a half of talking about language was fun.

24:50 And another thing that really helped me going into the theater was like, And I think one of the reasons I put this movie on the list for this season is the simple fact that I think that for me, this is a personal story of how important it is to not know anything about a film going into it. This was an example of like, my friend literally was like, Hey, we're going to go watch a rival. Do you want to come? And I just said, yes, I didn't know anything about the movie. I Didn't Know. Who was in it, who directed it. I mean, let's be really honest, man, in 2016. I had no, no idea about my boy Denis.

25:32 It literally no clue. Sicario barely it heard of it. So walking into the movie theater. I just found myself in chanted with the story that he told on screen and I've always liked arrival, is the first movie that really struck me. This awareness of like I want to watch movies with as, as little All spoiler as possible. And and so that it holds a special place in my heart for that reason. And then you want to come on this podcast and spoil it for everyone who hasn't something that everyone who hasn't seen it. Brad I think this is a good place for us to press pause because I'm like kind of chomping at the bit to jump into what we had reserved for the back half of the unrated apart.

26:17 So let's drink some, some wheat whiskey. What do you say? Let's do it man. I love me some wheat. Whiskey Alright, today we are looking at Woodford, Reserve wheat, whiskey Brad. This is our first return trip to America in a while in coming home from Scotland in a minute. It sure has man. Yeah, it took a while, we jumped on the boat in England. We've been hanging out in the ocean, drinking Scotch for a while, we're in Wales for a while this year like imported, well, we spit all over, Dude. I gotta say. Out of all like the the European countries, I don't know.

27:01 A single thing about whales there. You know what? I respect that they're flying under the radar. They're like they are there like direct your hatred towards these other three countries in the UK? Yeah, leave us alone. We're going to make end Aaron and just go away. You can't pronounce any of our cities names and we would have it that way forever. Yeah. Oh man, Bob I'm excited to drink this Woodford, wheat. Now, Woodford, produce this in an effort to finish their lineup of like four Whiskey's that represent the original for American whiskeys Bob, like, the the different grains that can be used in with. Yeah. So like yeah, they have Woodford Bourbon and they expanded a Woodford, r, i, and then Woodford, malt, and now they're like, you know what?

27:47 We should have a wheat whiskey. So, this one question, as most of their products do at 90.4, proof it. as nonage stated which we know means, it's at least four years old, it is decided on the point for I don't know, like f F9, T, we can ask at that. Chris Morris back on here. Be like, oh, that's a, that's a good idea. So the mash bill on this Brad is only 52% wheat. And then, the next highest is 20% malted barley, 20% corn, 8% Rye. So it is a for grain whisky but only just barely qualifies as a wheat, whiskey, I'm pretty excited to jump into this man. Let's let's, let's Dive Right In. What are you picking up on the nose? I believe there's this song in the 90s.

28:29 Called peaches or is it Peach country? Georgia, Peaches. I was thinking of that really dirty song. Peaches and Cream. That's what I was thinking of millions of peaches millions of Pete. That's the one. Sure, that's it. Yeah. Millions of peaches by smells so many peaches on this. There's a little bit of hay. A little bit of vanilla, kind of a straw. Yep, type Aroma going on. It's Unique, it's interesting. I'll give it a 7. Yeah, I the the hey is a really good note because it definitely smells like Arn to me, you know what I mean? Like, it's real Dusty and I like that a lot. That's is a note. I've been getting on a lot of Whiskey's lately and I'm digging it. And I actually, I tried this whiskey alongside my wife and I let you know, we just shared the glass.

29:13 I'm just realizing that I really like wheat Whiskey's and I really like we did bourbons and those are just kind of my wheelhouse. The more the further we get into this whiskey-drinking endeavor Brad more than a high ride bourbon. I would rather have a weeded Bourbon and so we whiskies are like right up My alley. This one did have quite a bit of ethanol to me on the nose like surprisingly more than I expected. But it has a set point for man. It's that point for Chris Morris working his magic, but has a lot of promise. I'm gonna give it a seven on the nose. Yeah. And then we get into the palette for me. I'm going to, I'm going to sound like I'm just repeating myself. It feels like it's like canned peaches fresh straw and little hints of vanilla that keep hitting you. I don't know if I've ever Her had a whiskey that literally just stayed the exact same from the nose to the palate, like nothing changed on this talk about consistency. Yeah, it's incredibly consistent, it's not necessarily a flavor.

30:14 I'm like crazy pumped about, it's fine, it's solid. I'll give it a six and a half out of ten. I actually started liking this more and more the further along I got into the tasting and it started here when I first took a sip is really thin on the tip of your tongue like it. I was thinking to myself that it was going to be really really thin and then I hit kind of the mid palate and it was very syrupy like really thick and I was like all right cool there's that viscosity that we know and love and then I went to swallow and it was thin again so I was like I don't know what the hell's going on here. It was just it was all over the place, it was spicy but it wasn't harsh. So that alcohol from the nose was not so much present on the palate. It had a really standard kind of wheat, whiskey pal, We've had a couple like wheat whiskies and we did Bourbons on the show before and it was all there like that really nice almost like Cola effervescence that you get.

31:09 Sometimes from a wheat whiskey, it was there, but it also had a layer of caramel to it and peanut butter and so it was kind of like drinking not so much, a weeded bourbon but a wheat whiskey that they like somehow extracted the most bourbon e flavors into really, really good. I'm going to give it an 8 and a half on the palate. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah man I'm not in the same place as you when I get to the finish. It turns into a Woodford whiskey again it gets really nice and okey there's just a hint of that peach leftover that still stay in all through and it really ends with some nice spices. I like the finish a little bit more than I did the rest of the experience.

31:51 I'll give it a seven and a half on the finish. I'm going to go ahead and give it an eight and a half on the Finish again. It really became a wheat Whiskey on the finish. For me, I had Nicolas. And that's something that we've gotten a lot on are weeded bourbons and our wheat whiskies and sawdust like that dustiness. Came back again, I really loved it. So it's an eight and a half on the Finish when it comes to balance. I'm also going to give it an eight and a half, the only thing that would prevent it from being higher was that I did get that little bit of like a stringency on the nose but thankfully that wasn't there on the palate or on the finish. So I'm I'm coming out like pretty pretty high on this one. Brad. Yeah, I I'm not there with you. I will say though, on the balance. This is incredibly balanced for me. You really got that really strong Peach and like you said like a Dusty, hay barn, feel throughout the entire nose palette and finish, I'll give it an 8 out of 10 on the balance. I think it's really well balanced. All right, and then when it comes to Value, I'm going to give it an 8 out of 10 and the only reason is there's a whiskey called, bernheim wheat.

32:58 Ski that is made by Heaven Hill that markets for around 20 to 25 dollars and it's pretty complex comparable to this actually. Think I prefer this one but I don't know if I would say that it's worth almost 50% more than you can get with bernheim. So I'm going to give it an eight. I actually plan to pick up a bottle of this sometime soon. I like this a lot Brad. And like I said, it's right in my wheelhouse so I'm kind of like conditioned to like this. But I am coming out here to a 40.5 out of 50. Brad. What is your value score and then what do you coming out to ya? See at $36. I don't think this is a bad value, I think it is a unique and a really solid offering by Woodford. It's fun and interesting.

33:42 I'll give it a six out of ten on the value. I just personally am not vibing with it quite as much to give it a higher score, but my total score is coming out to that magic number. Bob 35, out of 50, the golden ratio, well, that puts us at Seventy five point five out of a hundred or a thirty seven point seven, five out of 50. I would recommend trying it for sure and I would also recommend buying a bottle Brad. I have a feeling you're not going to be quite there with me. Yeah, I would say try it. If you have a friend that's willing to pour you a dram, go for it. I don't know if I'd recommend a bottle. I think I'd say hold back on that. Well, we would like to know what you think. If you've had Woodford, wheat, if you're a fan of wheat whiskey, reach out to us and let us know, put one of us in our place while We get back into talking about arrival, Brad. What do you say?

34:31 Let's get to it. Alrighty everybody, that was Woodford, wheat. That was like, that was like, Bruce Buffer. That was, man. Yeah, today we're talking about a rival Bob, it's a movie that I'm pretty big on you don't seem quite as big on, nope. But that can all be shoved to the side because we have the greatest segment ever invented in the history of podcast. And what is that bread? You know what it is Bob, it's two facts in a falsehood to facts in a falsehood where the game is made up and the points don't matter.

35:13 Because that is, right? Because Brad has had to retract at least three of his points and make them into ties. I don't even know what the score is at this point Brad, I've only retracted twice, thank you very much, you've attracted twice, but you've been proven wrong three times. So that is, that is a false statement. Bob, I have not looked up the third accusation, and I am innocent until proven guilty. Innocent until you look it up. So as long as you don't look at, you can never be guilty. Remember that kids. So arrival fact, number one, this was the only best picture Oscar nominee, this that year, that's false. Yeah, that's it. I think there were ten fact, number one.

35:56 This is the only best picture nominee that did not have any nominations in the best acting cat or sorry, not just the best acting. Any of the acting categories. So you're saying for its year for its year, okay? It was the only yes of all time. The only best ever ever. Yeah, ever ever know just of its year to be the 2017, Oscars. I've heard they've fax. Number two in arrival Forest Whitaker, plays a military officer who recruits civilian experts with special skills, to assist with the first contact with the alien species. Did you know that he also played in? Fives species.

36:37 A civilian expert with a special skill, who is recruited to assist with the first Contact of an alien species. Nice. All right. Also Jeremy Renner played a very similar character in his first movie appearance, 2001's, fish in a barrel and which he was a scientist who theorizes what aliens want with humans when they make first Contact. I don't freakin know, man. Oh, this is it. See, it's way harder do this. When it's a movie, I don't care about. It's kind of, like, doing practice planes with the movie. I don't like, so the movie Species, I've never seen it, but I remember as a small child, the video cover at the video store and I remember feeling like who I shouldn't be seeing this right now. Was a yeah, very erotic thing.

37:29 Wait, what? Yeah, now I need to look up the cover to say mean, it's just Anna. Active woman who's playing an alien, but I remember being like, woo, as like a four and a half year old you were like who's like, hey watch that species. Keep you on the back burner until I'm old enough. You know movie was like that for me as a kid like this is me being wrong honest, American Beauty. Oh yeah, because of the rose petals on the cover, cover was not the most erotic thing at Blockbuster. I just remember seeing it for years and being like, what is that movie about? Out like yeah, what what, ha, under what circumstances would someone be bathing and rose petals. That's right, so many roses.

38:10 How do you think this predicament like we're so off base? Okay. Um, I don't know if Forest Whitaker's in species because I've only ever seen the covers, and he is not that woman. So too might be true. Three might be true because I don't know enough about Jeremy, Renner to know what fish in a barrel. Is number one. It was the year that Emma Stone won the Oscar. But did she beat Amy Adams? If anyone was nominated, it was Amy Adams and Amy Adams has been criminally neglected by the academy. And on many occasions, not even nominated when people were like, oh she should have won that year so I can't remember if that was an Amy Adams nomination year or not, And that's what's really screwing.

38:59 This whole thing up for me what other movies? We're up for best picture that you're Moonlight, that had a nomination and a win. Wait Moonlight 10. No Moonlight was 17. Wasn't it? And this was 16. What one in 2016 the shape of water No, that was just an 18. God. I tie it. What is time? Am I right? Arrival. Moonlight lost to lala land. No. LOL. And lost to Moonlight. That was the one that they announced and then ii-i'm. Sorry. All right, Brad. I'm just gonna go ahead and say, Jeremy Renner is the falsehood Jeremy Renner, is the false ID by.

39:42 I did it. Oh my God. He's first movie was fish in a barrel, but I have zero clue what that movie was about. Yeah. Wow. That was the longest two facts in a falsehood ever. It was, well, I'll tell you this, the cover line for fish in a barrel was it was something to the effect of like you thought you saw it all with. Reservoir Dogs, dot dot, dot fish, in a barrel. What a horrible name for a movie. Yeah, like, you know, what's gonna tear movie? Seriously, terrible. It's got like a 4.8 on IMDb beautiful. We'll do it with our next bad movie bonus. Bob, I want to get into arrival because not that we haven't gotten it already.

40:28 I want to hear your knit picks because I think that this is like a really solid movie and I'm going to, I'm going to position you To defend me here. I think that this is the kind of movie that we're missing out on in modern Hollywood is like they won't take chances on like interesting unique twists on the Sci-Fi genre, or anything? That's not going to be a blockbuster. I feel like arrival would be a casualty of the MCU. If occation. Yeah. That we've seen her since 2015, 16. I think that it does a couple things really well like To your point in that it is a very intimate story that's told on a pretty you know big scale in terms of like thematically. Right.

41:16 It's about an alien invasion but it's really just about one person and it is also a really high concept drama like they just they don't make movies like this anymore. And I remember a few years ago, I went with a buddy to a preview screening of the movie Annihilation, which is a hard sci-fi movie and based on prior IP, but didn't do great. The box office and it has some similarities to this movie in that. It's like it has that impending sense of dread for a long time and that one tips way more into horror but that again it's like a really high concept movie and you don't see that a ton. So you're right. I think they need to make more movies in the vein of arrival. I just don't know that this is the movie they needed to make.

42:00 Why is that Bob? What's what is sticking in your craw? Well, so I'll say this, like, I don't hate this movie. It's made by people, I love and respect. And again, I respect the effort, but I think earlier, I talked about how there were two movies that it really reminded me of, and one is Interstellar. And the other would be when we watched earlier this year, that would be signs because obviously, Alien Invasion movie about a family, right? It's a very intimate story set against the backdrop of an alien invasion. So they were Very obvious parallels. But I think that most of my nitpicks, with this movie, fall back on the fact that like the interstellar parts of this movie are all done as well or better in interstellar.

42:41 And the the family intimate drama parts of this movie are all done, better in signs and I can't really think of a lot of areas where this movie does, anything better than another movie I could point to. And that really like, you know, that's a huge over simplification. Station of this movie, but I think at the end of the day, this is a movie that I don't quite know what the message of the movie is or I don't know what it wants to be or what it wants to say. And for a long time it seems like this is a movie about how do we communicate like how do humans communicate with each other?

43:22 We need to learn how to work together and these aliens are showing us that and of course, you know, the US and China are going to All their secrets and, you know, it becomes a movie about collaboration and cooperation and, you know, it's it has interesting ideas in that realm and Interstellar kind of touched on some of that as well. And I think that would have been a really cool point to make and make that the main point of the movie and then it really veers into this like, nope. It's a time travel movie now. And the point of the time travel movie is this, like, if you could know the future in the future had batch in it for you like, would you still do it? But if I understand the Contours of the movie correctly, I don't really know if she had any choice.

44:04 It wasn't like they gave her an option of like do you want to see the future because then your kid's gonna die. It was just like, you do see the future. Also, your kid's gonna die deal with this knowledge. And so there wasn't really any steaks there. So that didn't really have any like, dramatic tension for me. And it wasn't really a movie about like a mother's love or a mother's determination. Because again, it was just kind of dealing with things as they Come. And so I thought maybe, okay, maybe it's a movie about like fate and and how do you deal with knowing your own fate, but it didn't get into that enough either. So, it was just kind of like a movie with a bunch of underdeveloped ideas and they were all good ideas, but it didn't lean into any one of them enough, that's my rant.

44:50 It's not really a rant. It's just like, I just don't think it like, fully grasped, any one of those Concepts to the extended needed to You to, like, hit a home run for me? Yeah, see I think for me the, the core message of the movie is that human relationship is based on communication, and human relationship is worth pursuing. No matter what the cost that like, if I had to just boil it down, I think that was the message of this movie that in order to advance as a race, as a civilization, we need to pursue Human connection because in the end, what kept the the war from happening?

45:35 You know what kept China from doing, it wasn't necessarily. You know, the u.s. offering some strategic advantage or, you know, using some form of diplomacy. It was an interpersonal relationship that was formed by, you know, Amy Adams character to the Chinese General who was, you know, kind of in charge of what they were doing and it was her reaching out to him. Him and bonding with him over something. He was vulnerable about that is what drew them together. And I think that's a really powerful message. And I like, I look at our world now 2020 26 years after this movie came out. And in my mind I'm like man I think I think that we could use more of that message that human connection is worth it.

46:24 Even even if the outcome might seem negative and in the world's eyes, You know that hurt her child dies in the end, the connection and the bond that she made with her child was still incredibly important. Sure, I will say, I was reading about the movie and the The Source material is a book written in the 90s by a guy named Ted Chiang. And in the book, she sees the future and her daughter dying in the future. But the daughter dying in the future is an avoidable. Voidable accident, see that guys like rock climbing or something, huh? And that feels a lot darker to me.

47:05 Yeah. But it also gives the movies steaks that I feel like, it doesn't have like, there are just no real Stakes here. It's not even as if they're like, the aliens come. And they say, like, hey in 3,000 years were really going to need your help and if you don't do this, we can't get Humanities help. They just say, like, in 3,000 years we're going to need the help of humanity. This is how it happens. And like there's a sense of inevitability with it that It's almost like she doesn't have to take on any sort of mantle or make any sort of sacrifice or make any sort of decision. She just becomes aware of things that are Beyond her control that are going to happen. And like, even the idea of like Humanity was going to launch a war against the aliens. I don't really think that we had any indication that the aliens were ever gonna retaliate. You know what I mean?

47:50 Like we could have launched missiles at them but like maybe they just fly away was going to be an Iron Giant situation. I don't see and might say things like we Don't know. And I think the aliens were so benevolent that, you know, even like, when they tried to get bombed, they pushed Amy Adams and Jeremy Renner out of the ship, like no, you guys be safe. So like, I never felt like there were any Stakes to this movie and giving her some sort of a decision to make really would have helped out and made all the rest of the stuff, more impactful. Yeah. I mean, I think that the decision she made was to still have her child, but could she have avoided that, like Was it just an inevitability? And that's the thing is like, I feel like of all the time, travel movies we've watched, this is the one where the logic of the time-travel falls apart, the easiest. So like it hinges on this conversation, she has with the German like or German with the I was thinking she's with the Chinese General like a year and a half later and he he tells her in the future that he had a conversation with her in the past and he shows her a phone number over. And so then because she can see the future from the past. She sees the phone number, she knows to call the General and she stops this war from happening. But like, they show the full scene play out in the future where she doesn't know the, the general he approaches her, and she's confused, and he has to explain to her, but like, then once it happens in the past, she

49:23 would remember it. And so that future is like, it gets into this, that like everything falls apart. And unless you're going to open up the concept of like weird multiverses and stuff, like it does, it's not worth thinking about, but it's also kind of like if you give this movie 5 Seconds worth of thought, if you like, all it falls apart and I don't think I'm with you. I think that there's a reality where she's who I don't want to, I don't want to reference another movie. I feel like she's kind of Shifting back and forth that. And this is like the nerdy time travel side. I think that she In the current present is Shifting back and forth between her realities and struggling to understand where she's at.

50:07 Whereas like the next time she goes through that reality, she might not be going through that. Or it could just be like, kind of a loop where every time she meets the General there. She kind of Loops back to what's happening in the past. Just stuck in an endless loop of watching your kid died and meeting a Chinese guy. Yeah wow it's ridiculous life. My right. Am I? Am I right? All right dude, let's give some final scores here. Brad, here's the thing is like I don't hate this movie and I don't think it's a bad movie. It just never clicks and it never works for me and I'd be lying if I thought it was better than a 6. So I'm gonna give it a six out of ten like it seems harsh.

50:48 Yeah, it does like it seems harsh and I don't dislike it at all and I love Denis Villeneuve. And I'll watch Amy Adams, do absolutely anything. So that's like, that's not an issue. But yeah, it's just Just it didn't work for me in the theater. I was excited to revisit it and it just kind of confirmed to me that it still doesn't work. So I'm going to give it a six out of ten and six is pretty harsh. I think, I'll give it an 8 out of 10. This is one of the few times where I think IMDb is like right on the money. It has it as at a 7.9 and for me that I'm right there with it, it's a solid Movie that that is entertaining and fun and interesting it jogs, the brain. We didn't really get into it but I think that the alien design is really interesting, oh, for sure.

51:32 Yep, I think that there's a lot of elements of this film that are grounded and interesting and I'm in dude, I don't think it's the best sci-fi movie of all time. The fact that it was one of the first sci-fi movies nominated for best picture and a long, long time was cool but maybe a little overstated. I don't know if it deserved. Yeah, but you know we're putting 10 movies in there. Why not put a rival in? Oh, one more, one more thing. Before we sign off for the day. Yeah. What was going on with Forest Whitaker in this movie? Because it was he supposed to be like from Boston, like, what was the accent? He was trying to do? Bob, here's the thing. I don't think you could ever not make that statement about Forest Whitaker in any movie.

52:16 I've never understood him as an actor in any movie. He's a good actor but like he just makes choices, you know? Exactly. That's that's what I don't understand with Forest. Honestly, a movie that I liked him in was a Netflix movie about, like, basically, like a world war three, where you don't see world war three happen. You ever watch this. Nope, it man. It was Forest Whitaker and I don't remember, it was a Netflix movie, that I was like really pleasantly surprised by, but other than that, I just always, I felt this way in Rogue one with Forest Whitaker. I felt this way in a rival, I'm with you, dude. I don't know what he's really doing. Doing in this movie, I could not understand a word. He said, in this movie, like I had to turn on like, the only two things in this movie that needed subtitled were alien creatures, and forced winners Whittaker. All right, man.

53:12 Next week, we are going to be watching another Jason Reitman movie. Another kind of dark comedy. I'm I've been excited to talk about this one for a long time because I have no idea where you're going to fall on it. It's a movie called young adult. So, I'm I'm pumped, we're going to watch that next week, but until then, I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and we'll see you next time.