(500) Days of Summer (2009) / Pursuit United Triple Mash Rye

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In 2009, director Mark Webb and
starred Joseph Gordon Levitt

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gave the world a roller coaster
ride of a romantic comedy that

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proves once and for all autumn
is better than summer.

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In 2025, we try a whiskey that
is a hardcore contender for

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whiskey of the year.
The film is 500 days of summer.

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The whiskey is Pursuit United
Triple Mash Rye.

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And we'll review them both.
This is the Film and Whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad Gee.
Wow, you just, you just had to

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do it, man.
Now that we're on video, I can

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see your sass coming through I
the other side here.

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Bob I used to do that every
single time, at every single

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time when we were audio only.
It just, it just became a habit

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and I, I stopped out of respect
for you, but just, you know, it

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scratches an itch.
I guess.

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I guess it does, man.
You know what else scratches an

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itch?
Brad, returning to all these

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movies from season #1 folks,
welcome into Film and Whiskey.

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If it is your first time joining
us, what we do on this podcast,

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perhaps unsurprisingly, as we
talk about movies and we talk

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about whiskey and this season,
which is season #10 for us here

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on Film and Whiskey, it's a bit
of a commemorative season

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because we're throwing back to
season #1 we're revisiting every

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movie that we reviewed that
season because Brad, a little, a

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little inside baseball here.
The audio on those episodes is

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no bueno.
It's real bad.

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And we did not really know what
we were doing back then.

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So, you know, we're, we're,
we're just knocking off like all

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the bases here, Brad.
We're boosting our SEO.

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We're getting more clicks, we're
getting more viewers and we're

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putting out better quality
episodes on all these very

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deserving Movies Now.
Dude, it's wild.

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The original list of movies we
just randomized off of a big

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list that you had.
We landed on 32 incredible

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movies.
Every now and then I, I think

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back on that first season and,
and I was holding some movies

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for later seasons.
Like I'd set Citizen Kane aside.

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I was like, I'm hoping that if
nothing else, I can keep this

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podcast going long enough for us
to get to Citizen Kane.

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But it was that thing of like,
you know, when, when they're

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making a new TV show and the end
of Season 1 is always functional

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as both a season finale and a
series finale, just in case it

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doesn't get renewed.
You know, it was like, I want to

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cram enough good ones into
Season 1 just in case Brad hates

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this after the first batch of
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Yeah.
Would you have just gone on

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doing the podcast by yourself?
If I was just like, no, I'm out.

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No, even now I've been talking
by myself for, you know, 2 1/2

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minutes and I'm like, this is
terrible audio 'cause I, I'm

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only working one conversation
partner into it.

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And Brad, the great thing about
revisiting these movies from

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Season 1 is that back then we
did not have guests on the show,

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at least not guests that weren't
our friends that came with you

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from Columbus to record with us.
So we have bona fide, legitimate

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movie critics now that come and
join us.

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And one of them is our friend
Daniel Dwyo, who's joining us

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tonight from what looks like his
living room.

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Daniel, how are you tonight,
man?

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I'm good.
How are you guys?

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Doing well.
It's good to have you back.

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It's been a minute, as they say.
Daniel usually joins us each

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year around Oscar season as the
official designated film and

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whiskey Oscars correspondence.
I guess we should kind of kick

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things off tonight, Brad,
because there's big Oscar news.

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Big Oscar today.
Yeah.

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What's?
What's your guy's response?

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Because Bob is very angry about
it and I didn't text you this

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earlier.
Bob, this actually means I might

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watch the Oscars there.
You go, Brad, a notorious cord

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cutter is referring to the fact
that the Oscars have just

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announced that beginning and I
believe 2029, they will be

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exclusively streaming the Oscars
on YouTube, live streaming and

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and to my knowledge, it will not
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broadcast television.
You have to watch it on YouTube.

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Now, in theory, they're reaching
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In.
Practice.

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I don't know how I feel about
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I'd love to get Daniel's quick
thoughts on this before we dive

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into today's movie.
It's complicated.

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I I hate.
I hate.

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Wait, the the movie or the
Oscars news?

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The Oscars I, I hate YouTube
because of all the, you know,

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white supremacists they've
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But as an Oscar fan, I think
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I feel like virtually everything
most Oscar fans dislike about

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the Oscars over the last decade
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to ABC makes it this way.
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They finally untethered
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It's not just that they're not
on ABC anymore, It's that

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they're not on network
television anymore, which opens

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up this sort of grand idea of,
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entirely.
Can it be longer?

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Can they add categories?
Can it everything all of a

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sudden is on the table for
change in a way that it never

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could have been before?
Well, that's true.

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And I I didn't think about it
that way.

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Brad, you say that you may be
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now, which means you've gone
from about a 0% chance to about

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maybe a 12% chance of watching
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I mean, it's one of those things
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networks is the hardest to
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Like it's it's tied in with ESPN
and and Disney and it's just an

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absolute pain in the butt to
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And I don't have access to local
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So I as much as I would want to
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relatively avid movie go, you
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just there's no reason for me to
do it, man.

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I got kids, I'm busy.
It takes up a lot of time.

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I have to go do either.
Of you guys have.

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Childhood memories watching the
Oscars.

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Like, I grew up in the Billy
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I remember Return of the King
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Yeah, I remember that pretty
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Other than that was like the
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have had, you know, 22 years ago
like this, that the sweeps have

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basically stopped happening
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Yeah, we were a big Good Morning
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eating cereal in the morning.
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And because that's an ABC show I
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the Cuba Gooding junior speech
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whatever.
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getting into were probably the
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'cause I I remember seeing
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rooting for it in the late going
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And then of course Crash the
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controversial.
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Oscars I took seriously, kind of
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something I was going to watch
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Yeah, my first Oscars was the
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because I loved the movie City
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And one day my mom just like
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night and said, hey, do you want
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I was like, well, I don't know
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And you know, ever since then,
Jack Palace started doing one on

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push ups on the stage and Billy
Crystal was, you know, I was

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thinking I I was hooked since
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You're you're hooked after that.
Yeah, I was going to say one

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reason to boycott watching the
Oscars is that our movie for the

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day received 0 nominations at
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And we are talking a little.
Wild.

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Yes, because we're talking about
a really good movie, 500 Days of

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Summer.
You can tell this is season 10

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because your Segways are a plus.
Listen, I have been practicing

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for a little while now, Daniel.
The movie did receive 2 Golden

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Globe nominations, including a
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nomination.
So we're going to dive into

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talking about 500 Days of
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Brad, we've obviously seen this
movie before.

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Before we get into our first
segment of the day, I do want to

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ask you, Brad, have you watched
500 Days of Summer at all in the

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interim between Season 1 and
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I have not, and not due to a
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I I like this movie a lot, just
never got background to it.

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Daniel, you specifically chose
this movie as your film to join

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us for this season, and I'm
hoping it's not because you want

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to like, come on here and trash
the movie or anything.

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You you seem to have a pretty
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movies that you like, So what
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the list for you?
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in 2009, and it's a movie that I
watched it probably five times.

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You know that within the year it
came out, it felt like it had a

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lot of parallels to my life at
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And even re watching it 2 days
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It just like it's like, you know
how people say smell is a sense

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memory and it and it and it, you
know, you smell something and

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you remember your childhood.
Like I felt like I watched this

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and immediately remembered the
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Yeah.
Yeah, dude, I'm I'm with you,

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man.
I there is a relationship that

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was very serious when I was in
college that like doesn't mimic

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this story at all, but like the
vibes of this movie and the

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vibes of their relationship very
deeply match the vibes of my

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relationship.
And I got done watch this movie

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and you're like, you just feel
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the midst of that.
Again, it's it is very

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evocative.
Yep, yeah.

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Well, and at the same time, I
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things about experiencing this
movie at different intervals of

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my life now is that the last
time we watched it, Brad, you

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know, we started to kind of
change our opinion of Tom, the

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main character a little bit and
to kind of view him through the

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lens of his immaturity.
And this time around, I'm not

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going to spoil too much before
we dive deep here, but like, I

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can't tell if me outgrowing my
ability to relate to Tom has

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also meant that I've kind of
outgrown this movie.

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And and I I really struggled
watching it this time with like,

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I think Tom's an idiot and I
think he borderline sometimes on

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just being completely unlikable
and unrouteforable as a

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character.
But do I dislike the movie

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itself?
And I think that that's kind of

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the central question that I'm
going through today.

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But before we get into Bob
Therapy Hour, it's time for us

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to throw over to our first
segment of the day, which we

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call, Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
taken on the clock, so let's go

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ahead and do your take with this
little segment that we call,

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the movie that he has

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just seen, at least for the
second time.

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Now, we've established that Brad
has not watched this movie again

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in the interim.
And I zoned out while you were

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talking earlier, Brad, so you
have to remind me.

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I don't know if you mentioned it
or not.

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Did you see it prior to season 1
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for you?
This will be my third time I saw

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it once.
After the end of the

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aforementioned relationship, our
mutual friend James told me we

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need to sit down and watch this
movie.

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And I he he was right.
So me and him and a few others

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sat down and watched 500 Days of
Summer.

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And it's a very cathartic movie
when you're angry at a girl.

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Not that I had any right to be
angry at a girl, but angry that

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at the end of a relationship I
guess is what I should say.

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So to clarify, so I know is Bob
always choosing all the movies

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and Brad is sort of Bob's, you
know, canvas for how to you're

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the muse.
He, I, I paint him like one of

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my French girls, I think is what
we're referring to here.

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Yeah.
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So the conceit of the podcast in
the early days was like, Brad

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and I were both living in
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whiskey for the first time.
And in the course of our

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friendship, I was like, you
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You should watch this movie.
And we finally said, screw it,

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I'm gonna put together this big
list of movies I think Brad

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should watch and we'll go
through them one by one and also

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try whiskey for the first time.
So it was all about basically

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Brad discovering new things each
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him.
It's a great, great concept for.

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Sure, over over 300 Movies Now.
I mean, that's how a lot of

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great artists created.
Here are two things I love.

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Can they be combined?
Yeah, exactly.

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Turns out drinking lots of
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go hand in hand.
I was gonna say, often times one

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of the two things being combined
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So, yeah, yeah.
All right, Brad, on that note,

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A.
Beer as we speak.

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I was going to say, I'm already,
I'm already sipping as well.

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So Brad, you get 60 seconds on
the clock to break down the plot

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of this movie with full
spoilers.

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Now, folks, this is a movie that
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timeline, so it probably sounds
very simplistic when it's laid

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out in a linear, chronological
fashion, which I imagine Brad's

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gonna try to do here.
But Brad, you could do whatever

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you want with your minute.
I would highly recommend if you

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have not seen 500 Days of
Summer, go watch this 95 minute

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movie, dude.
And then first of all, in in

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praise of the 90 minute movie
The. 90 minute film.

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What a we We should write an ode
Ode to the 90 minute film.

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The 90 minute film is like the
haiku of movies.

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It's just just perfect,
perfectly economical.

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You know, it's the worst thing
about haikus.

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Whenever somebody like reads 1,
I don't even listen to the

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haiku.
I'm just like parsing out the

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syllables to make sure every
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You know what?
It's great though man all.

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Right. 60 seconds pulling one
over on you.

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That's not a haiku, Yeah.
Yeah, that was only 6 syllables.

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On that note, Brad, 60 seconds
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Go.
We should.

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We should.
Stop doing, Brad explains, and

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just do Brad's haikus and.
All Brad's haikus.

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You're.
Describing the haikus.

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I'm not going to do that live.
What I will do is talk about 500

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Days of Summer, which is a film
that follows Tom, our heroic,

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awesome go get him kind of guy,
and Summer, his sometimes

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girlfriend, sometimes person of
interest in his desired murder.

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There is all sorts of stuff
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primarily follows Tom as he
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her to fall in love with him.
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various days in their
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500 and I I don't have anything
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Bob the it's a relationship and
and I'll I'll finish with this.

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I think I will nominate this for
the most millennial movie of all

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time.
I'm glad you ended it with that,

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Brad, because I think that is a
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We need to interrogate this.
Is this the most millennial

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movie ever made?
And we at least need to lay some

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nominees out on the table.
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And maybe establish what we mean
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So Brad, I want to hear your
thoughts as you're watching this

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movie.
You texted me.

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Is this the most millennial
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And.
And the more I thought about it,

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the more I'm like, it might be.
What stood out to you about this

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one?
The movement of Tom between like

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complete hope and yet complete
and utter dejection at his own

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ability to win.
This girl just feels like the

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core of the millennial man,
forever unsure of himself,

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doubting that he can have an
impact on the world around him,

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and yet full of these big bright
hopes and dreams and desires.

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It just, it feels like that
captures the heart of like

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masculinity.
If you were born between 1985

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and 2000, whatever the
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And then you have Summer on the
other end, who is like the

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perfect millennial girl.
She's playful and fun, but she's

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like independent and focused
and, and doesn't need no man.

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And she is, you know, just doing
her thing and yet she can use a

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man as much as she wants to use
a man and then move on.

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And it's it's just this like
that, like that alone does it.

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But then on top of that, you
have the music of the movie,

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which is like the most indie
millennial soundtrack ever

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created.
I don't know, Bob, you, you take

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it from here because there
there's more to this, but I, I'm

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curious what stuck out to you as
highly millennial?

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Well, Daniel's chugging his
beer, so I'm wondering he he

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seems like he's gearing up for
something too.

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I'm going to let me lay out my
case on the table here because I

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think that the more I thought
about it, the more I think it

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might not be the most millennial
movie, but it might be the sort

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of quintessential young
millennial movie.

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Because I do feel like there's a
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millennials that were born in
the early to mid 80s and the

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ones that were born in the early
to mid 90s.

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And so like something that like
a Fight Club, Fight Club feels

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like a very Gen.
X movie to me, even though it

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came out like at at peak young
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So I'm, I'm thinking after that
when I think millennial movie,

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I'm thinking like early to mid
2000s Eternal Sunshine is going

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to be like one of the crown
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That's that's up there.
And I think this movie we could,

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we could talk about is very
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anyway.
So like you've already got that

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working against it.
And yet, I mean, are millennials

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by their very nature unoriginal,
derivative people?

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Maybe, maybe this is the most
millennial thing.

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I do think that like, you look
at the fashion of the late 2000s

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with the tousled hair and the
cardigan sweaters and the like.

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I don't care about how I look,
but everything I'm wearing is

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extremely skinny.
So it's like this the sort of

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like feminization of men's
fashion kind of hits its peak

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here in 2009.
I think that you've got the the

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childishness of Tom is really
like emblematic of young

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millennial men.
I think that the sort of the way

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that he imagines Summer as this
manic Pixie dream girl is very

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reminiscent of the things you
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And then like the music cues,
like the music in this movie is

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the most I am calling attention
to my own musical taste,

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millennial soundtrack, because
it's like, it's not actually

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indie music.
It's music by artists that were

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signed to major labels.
But we're like the indie artist

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of Columbia Records.
It's like Regina Spektor and The

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Smiths and but you know what I
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So it's it's very recognizable.
Like mopey guy music, which is

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very like Brad, we went to
college with all those guys.

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And I think that Tom and Summer
are just like perfect examples

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of that.
And I'm rambling now.

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I want to hear Daniel's take.
Where does this fall on the the

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pantheon of millennial movies
for you, Daniel?

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Well, you, I mean, you said that
it depends whether we're talking

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like millennial stretches from
like early 80s to mid 90s.

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And so I mean, I'm 43, which is
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And to me, the, the what I think
it was the quintessential

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millennial movies are like
movies that everyone I know saw

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like their senior year of
college.

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So I mean, you mentioned Eternal
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That was that immediately came
to mind.

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And the other one's probably
Garden.

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State.
Oh yeah.

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OK.
And especially talking about,

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you know, soundtracks, Garden
State was like everyone I knew

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owned that soundtrack when, you
know, people still bought CDs

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0500 days.
The summer came out when I was

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27.
And I mean, I saw it in theaters

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with all my friends.
So it's definitely a movie that

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I felt like was a touchstone for
all of us.

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But I don't, I think we were all
little older at that point, for

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it was less likely for a movie
to truly shape us at that age,

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right?
In the way that, like, Garden

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State or Eternal Sunshine shaped
us when we were 22.

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Yeah.
Well, and I also think that

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like, there is an element to
this movie that it's poking fun

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a little bit at those millennial
archetypes, like that Tom is

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very similar to Joel in Eternal
Sunshine and to whatever Zach

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Braff's name is in Garden State.
And so they're they're having

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some fun at the expense of that
type of guy while still trying

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to keep a foot in the fact that,
like, he has to be your

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sympathetic character.
So yeah, I just, Brad, I think

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that it's a good contender at
the very least for most movie

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ever.
And that kind of begs the

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question, now that we are, you
know what, 16 years out from the

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release of this movie, how do
you guys think this movie holds

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up both in terms of like its its
structure and storytelling and

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also just the the datedness of
the time period?

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I mean, I, I feel like one of my
struggles with going back to a

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movie like this is that it
reminds me that I don't feel

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like we get interesting, fun
movies like this made as often

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anymore, at least not ones that
I'm made aware of.

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And I stay abreast of a lot of
the movies coming out it.

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It's wild to me how bright and
fun and funny this movie is.

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Like truly funny.
And it it has a little bit of

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ironic humor, but it's not
destroyed by like the Marvel

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type humor that I feel like
almost all movies use nowadays

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if there's going to be humor in
a movie.

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And so there's so much about
this movie that still feels

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fresh to me because it's not
something I see as often.

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So I like, yes, the, you know,
the hairstyles and the clothes

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feel a little bit dated, but
not, not in a way that detracts

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from the movie at all.
It almost makes me feel a little

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bit nostalgic.
I don't know if you're allowed

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to say back in the day for
something that was 16 years ago,

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but that's kind of how it feels.
I think we could say back in the

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day for something that happened
when I was in my 20s and now I'm

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in my 40s.
Yeah, I.

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Was going to say Brad, like the,
the, the distance between this

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movie coming out and now is the
equivalent of like, you know,

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1993.
It's like Jurassic Park and

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Nirvana to when this movie, it's
like, so if someone was

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reminiscing about 1993 films
when we were 19 years old, we'd

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be like, oh gosh, like that guy,
that guy is old and unhip.

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And that's us now.
Oh 100% dude I had a meeting

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with we just hired somebody new
at my job and she is 23 and I I

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am so old is all I'm trying to
say.

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Daniel, how about you?
How does it hold up so far?

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God, I honestly, I still love
it.

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Yeah, I mean, and like I said,
it's the sense memory thing.

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Like just rewatching it, I
remember every feeling I felt

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when I was in my 20s.
Rewatching the movie.

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It hasn't dated at all for me.
You know, part of I, I do feel

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like the film has less of a
cultural presence than it used

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to.
But I think the huge part of

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that is that the the survival of
movies in the culture tends to

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be very dependent on whether
their directors still matter.

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And Marc Webb just hasn't really
made any other movies that

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anyone cares about.
Yeah.

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You know, a huge reason people
discover movies is OK One battle

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after another comes out.
I love it.

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I'm going to go watch every Paul
Thomas Anderson movie.

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And that's how movies survive
and persist in the culture.

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And when a director kind of goes
nowhere, it's very easy for a

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movie to get forgotten about.
Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I guess we could have
the Marc Webb conversation

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really quickly here, Brad,
because Daniels kind of already

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summed it up for us.
He'd makes this movie and I

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believe he was a music.
Video director as well.

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That's where he got, yeah, he
directed like 100 music videos

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in the 2000s, mostly for what,
you know, like Good Charlotte,

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AFI, My Chemical Romance, Green
Day, Three Doors Down, etcetera.

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Bad.
Just keep naming bands Let's do

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that at each other for the next
hour.

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And I'll call this a great
episode 'cause I could talk

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00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,640
about 3 Doors Down all freaking
day.

444
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,040
Brad, I was going to say Marc
Webb, you know, music video

445
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,240
director, he makes this movie,
it becomes kind of his big

446
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,320
breakout.
He almost immediately gets

447
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,720
offered a big studio superhero
movie from Sony, which is the

448
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,120
the Andrew Garfield reboot of
The Amazing Spider Man.

449
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,960
And that becomes his baby.
And that movie sucks.

450
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,960
Like, let's just be honest, I
think that both of those movies

451
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,880
are among the worst superhero
films of the 21st century.

452
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,960
I just, they are awful, which is
sad.

453
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,120
He never recovers after that.
Yeah.

454
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,880
Yeah, Andrew Garfield's great,
but man, I worked.

455
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,080
Suck.
I worked at the Sundance Film

456
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,800
for three years and there was a
huge conversation at that time.

457
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,920
I I worked there from 2015 and
2018.

458
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,680
There's a huge conversation at
the time about sort of what is

459
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,680
the festival for?
What is the goal, what is the

460
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,720
dream?
Kind of what is the best case

461
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,120
scenario?
And you know, something the way

462
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:56,600
somebody put it is Sundance
doesn't launch movies, it

463
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,400
launches film makers.
And something that often

464
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,880
happened with Sundance is a
movie would become sort of the

465
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,280
talk of that Sundance and the
film maker would immediately get

466
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,280
poached to do into like a huge
franchise.

467
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,840
And then that dictated the
person, the rest of that

468
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,000
person's career, either they
made a hit franchise movie.

469
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,360
Like, this is what happened to
Ryan Coogler, you know?

470
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,000
Yep.
Fruitvale Station, then Creed,

471
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,000
then Black Panther.
And because Black Panther was,

472
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,680
you know, a sensation, he is
Ryan Coogler.

473
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,160
And the other side of that is
your Marc Webb.

474
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,800
You make a Sundance sensation,
you're immediately poached into

475
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,040
a Spider Man movie.
It goes badly.

476
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,880
And then what are you now?
Where's your career?

477
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,040
Yeah.
And this happens all the time in

478
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,760
both directions.
You know, Taika White TV is

479
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,000
another, you know, one of the
good cases where makes hunt for

480
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,480
the Wilderpeople and then gets a
Thor movie and you know, becomes

481
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,200
a sensation.
There are a lot of ways it goes

482
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,760
badly.
Yeah, I mean, you're seeing it

483
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,920
right now in real time with
Chloe Zhao trying to kind of dig

484
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,360
herself out of the hole.
So she wins the Academy Award

485
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,120
with Nomad Land, and they're
like, here's this movie called

486
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:12,240
Eternals, Chloe Zhao, worst
superhero movie of the last 10

487
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,760
years.
And she's in what seems like

488
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,000
director's jail for a second.
And then Spielberg kind of bails

489
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,800
her out with this adaptation of
Hamnet that is now among the

490
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,560
front runners for the Academy
Award.

491
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,040
So she had to return to those
kind of indie movie roots to

492
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,320
kind of reclaim that for
herself.

493
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,000
And it's not something that
we've seen Marc Webb be able to

494
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,880
do.
And I maybe because.

495
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,800
Sorry, go ahead.
Well, I think this is some of

496
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,040
the reverence from for film
makers like Ari Astor and Robert

497
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:46,400
Eggers and Jordan Peele is they
had that huge initial Sundance

498
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,120
hits.
I'm sure every studio and every

499
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,000
franchise came calling and they
just said no, no, like I

500
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,080
actually, I'm going to keep
doing my weird little thing over

501
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,640
in this corner.
And it has.

502
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,000
Absolutely worked for them and
you know it.

503
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,280
It's not that doing franchises
selling out.

504
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,560
I mean, I don't think anyone
thinks Ryan Coogler sold out

505
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,600
during Black Panther.
I mean, that is 100% a Ryan

506
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,240
Coogler movie.
His individual stamp is all over

507
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,560
it.
That's not what selling out is,

508
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:19,320
but there does feel like there's
a reward in in just not taking

509
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,920
the money, just just continuing
to do your your own little niche

510
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,720
thing.
And I wonder what the alternate

511
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,760
version of Mark Webb's career
would look like.

512
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,160
Because something I really
thought as I was re watching

513
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,800
this movie is, Jesus, this is
really well directed.

514
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,880
Yeah.
Yeah.

515
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,320
Yeah, I mean, it's it's both
well directed and well edited.

516
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,040
Like the guy knows how to make a
movie.

517
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,040
And, and I think sometimes when
when people say that a movie's

518
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,600
made in the edit, they mean it
as a derogatory thing that the

519
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,040
director didn't know what he was
doing.

520
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,600
He or she was.
Doing like in the way a Terrence

521
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,040
Malick movie might be made in
the edit.

522
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,840
Like, I'm just going to shoot a
bunch of stuff and then I'll

523
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,400
figure it out later.
Well, I was just thinking this

524
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,200
the other day because people are
are starting to worry about

525
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,040
Chris Nolan's upcoming The
Odyssey movie.

526
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,840
And the one thing that I will
say about Christopher Nolan that

527
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,920
I don't think people talk about
enough is that his movies are

528
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,120
entirely dependent on the edit.
And there are a lot of folks

529
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,680
that say that his his scripts
are kind of written with the

530
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,400
edit in mind now with the
intricacy of them.

531
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,280
But like, Christopher Nolan is
not a guy that I would say has

532
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,280
like a, the ability to film like
the chariot race sequence of Ben

533
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,120
Hur because like he doesn't
think that way.

534
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,440
Like Oppenheimer is a movie that
absolutely relies on these tiny

535
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,800
random insert shots in every
single scene of that movie to

536
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,920
give it this this funky rhythm
that it has.

537
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,920
And I think Marc Webb is kind of
like that, like not on the level

538
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,800
of a Chris Nolan, but that he's
used to making music videos.

539
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,800
He's used to rapid cuts, he's
used to montage, he's used to

540
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,960
like a 3 minute scene having the
maximum amount of impact that it

541
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,360
needs to have.
And that's why the structure of

542
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,040
this movie is a perfect project
for him because you have these

543
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,200
little vignettes and three
minute long scenes that take

544
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,480
place on day 205 and then you go
to the next one.

545
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,600
And that's like the episodic
nature of this movie is a

546
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,400
benefit.
It's it's not a bug.

547
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,840
And I think that maybe Marc Webb
just hasn't found another

548
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,080
project that allows him to flex
that specific muscle.

549
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,160
But we certainly haven't seen it
again.

550
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,880
And and guys, if you'll let me
kind of segue us into the movie

551
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,640
itself and the structure of the
movie.

552
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,000
I did find that, like, the
jumping back and forth, there

553
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,000
were times in the movie where it
was necessary and where it

554
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,280
really worked.
And that, you know, in the more

555
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,680
comedic early going of the
movie, the whiplash effect of,

556
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,240
like, how happy Tom is to how
sad Tom is to one day he's like,

557
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,080
she's a skank and I want nothing
to do with her.

558
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,200
And then the next day she says
she loves The Smiths.

559
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,400
And it just ends on him saying,
like, holy shit.

560
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,680
And then it cuts to the next
scene.

561
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,880
Those are great.
I think there are also times in

562
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,280
this movie where they get a
little too cutesy with the

563
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,320
flipping back and forth between
days.

564
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,440
And I'm wondering, you know, it
sounds like we all really like

565
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,760
this movie, but for me, one of
the flaws of the film was the

566
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,800
sort of over reliance on the I'm
flipping between days thing at

567
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,560
the expense sometimes of I think
deepening the characters or

568
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,720
letting the scenes play out as
long as they should.

569
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,040
And I'm, I'm wondering Brad, am
I alone in that or like where,

570
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,960
where are you falling on that?
I I think you might be alone.

571
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:33,120
I most movies have their
traditional three act structure

572
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,960
and by jumping around, you're
like inserting, you're like

573
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,720
pulling little moments out from
each act of the movie and making

574
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,680
this like tangled web that at
the end of the day feels like

575
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,720
how you would reminisce on a
relationship.

576
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,480
And so I think for me, it works
the continuous back and forth.

577
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,080
And it also creates this
anticipation as a viewer of like

578
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,280
when it finally hits 500, right?
It's it's like any movie where

579
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,920
they say the title of the movie
and you're like, I see what you

580
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,600
did there.
You're in the Leo meme.

581
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:11,680
Right.
Exactly.

582
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:17,640
When you finally hit day 500,
you've watched Tom go back and

583
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,080
forth so many times and you know
that it's 500 days of summer.

584
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,560
Like I found myself this time
through being like this

585
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,320
anticipatory, like, OK, what's
next?

586
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,760
And I think that's the beauty of
the ending of this movie.

587
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,680
It gives you that catharsis.
It gives you an opportunity to

588
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,360
say, hey, like this relationship
was not what I wanted it to be.

589
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,160
I didn't act well in it.
I don't feel like she acted well

590
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,920
in it.
But at the end of the day, I

591
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,440
have another chance.
I, I can choose something better

592
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,320
for myself moving forward.
And I I love how the the memory

593
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,920
of it all plays into that sense.
And Brad, I think you nailed it

594
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:03,200
when you said reminiscence.
You know, I mean, we keep

595
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,880
bringing up Eternal Sunshine, so
I'll bring it up again.

596
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,320
And the way that Eternal
Sunshine is about, you know, the

597
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,600
disappearance of memories, I
feel, I feel like 500 Days of

598
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,400
Summer is about the reappearance
of memories.

599
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,000
I mean, I almost don't think the
movie to to think the movie

600
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,440
flips back and forth in time.
I think to have that lens, you

601
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,320
almost have to think it takes
place in the present tense,

602
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,960
whereas I think the whole thing
is memory and it and it and it,

603
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,800
it interacts the way memories
do.

604
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,400
As I remember this, you know,
you remember a fight you had,

605
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,520
and then you remember, you know,
a different day nine months

606
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,159
earlier that was like the good
version of the same topic that

607
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:42,199
that fight was about.
Sure.

608
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,920
Yep.
And let's be let's be real, this

609
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,760
is the most millennial movie
ever because this is 100% him in

610
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,920
a psychiatrist's office.
Like remembering as much as he

611
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,360
can, trying to process this
relationship so that he can work

612
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,000
on his marriage with Minka
Kelly.

613
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,400
Yeah, exactly.
You know, and I think that too,

614
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,320
it's credit the way that the
movie will replay certain scenes

615
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,400
through a different lens and
whether that means that they did

616
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,120
like 5 or 6 different takes of a
shot, like the, you know, the

617
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,040
shot where he shows her the
Ringo Starr album and you see

618
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,480
her reaction.
It's, it's, I think it happens

619
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,160
three times in the movie and
it's 3 different takes, you

620
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,840
know, based on what the reality.
It's a Rashomon kind of thing,

621
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,000
right?
But then there are also times

622
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,840
where you get the like, I love
Zooey Deschanel's laugh and I

623
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,480
love her little heart-shaped
birthmark.

624
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,720
And then you get the same shots
later in the movie where he's

625
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,400
like, I hate her knobby knees.
I hate her cockroach shaped

626
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,560
splotch.
I hate this song.

627
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,400
And I think that that it does a
really good job of helping the

628
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,200
viewer to understand that there
are different perspectives even

629
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,840
on the same event.
And that leads me to what I

630
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,680
think, guys, is my favorite
needle drop of the movie.

631
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,880
And there's a lot of really good
usages of music in this movie.

632
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:05,360
But when they pull in the Simon
and Garfunkel bookends at the

633
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,040
end of the movie as he's finally
starting to reminisce over all

634
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,560
the things that were actually
clear signs that this

635
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,240
relationship was deteriorating,
it is.

636
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,600
It's really mournful and it's
really sad.

637
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,640
Then I feel like it gives the
character of Tom not just the

638
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,480
break he needs to move on with
his life, but it it's, it's like

639
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:30,320
a very kind of grieving montage
where he is like mourning the

640
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,560
the fact that he didn't see the
signs coming and also mourning

641
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,240
the good times of this
relationship because there are

642
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:40,280
good things to look back on.
I found myself really, really

643
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,080
moved, especially by the last
2025 minutes of this movie,

644
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,880
which I found to be light years
better than the rest of the

645
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,640
film.
I just, I mean, that is like

646
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,960
from the Regina Spector
expectations versus reality

647
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,240
scene to the end of the film.
Dude is like 10 out of 10 movie

648
00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:59,200
making to me.
Brad.

649
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,760
Yeah.
It it's the perfect way to end

650
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,880
the movie.
And for me, the expectations

651
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,400
versus reality scene is like an
iconic scene in cinema history.

652
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:17,880
I like, I think that a a scene
like that, you can only make it

653
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,640
in a movie.
You can't bring that about in

654
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,880
ATV show.
It just wouldn't be the same.

655
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,120
You wouldn't have the quality of
filmmaking.

656
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,640
You can't do that in a book like
you can't do it in poetry or a

657
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,720
song.
Like, the only place you could

658
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:34,640
make a scene like that is in a
movie.

659
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:41,680
And the emotional impact it has
on the viewer is, I mean,

660
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,960
shattering, especially like,
once again, the the the the

661
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,080
Choice of Hero by Regina Spector
is like just the perfect

662
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,000
mournful.
Like it's driving and moving and

663
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,640
yet sad.
And then by the end of it, you

664
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,200
slowly have the expectation box
being pushed out by reality.

665
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,560
And you're like, yeah, that was
the death of a dream that I just

666
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,720
watched.
And it's it's absolutely 10 out

667
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:10,760
of 10.
Perfect.

668
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,120
And I feel like seeing the movie
as a young person, that's one of

669
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,480
those sequences where you watch
and.

670
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,280
You think?
Oh.

671
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,160
Other people have the same,
like, really fucked up interior

672
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,000
life that I also have.
And, you know, yeah, these same,

673
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,760
like, fantasy ideas of what will
happen in their head that don't

674
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:28,880
happen.
Yeah.

675
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,000
Yeah, and and the way that they
lay the bread crumbs for the big

676
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:39,120
reveal that Summer is engaged to
some other guy now by giving him

677
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,080
these kind of mini let downs all
through that scene.

678
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,760
You know, the first, I think the
first one is like the match cut

679
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,640
when he she opens the door and
she doesn't give him a kiss.

680
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,080
And then he walks in and he nods
to all her party guests.

681
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:53,520
And then they cut to the
reaction of the party guests.

682
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,520
And in his expectations, they
all like turn around and toast

683
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,360
him.
And in this one, they don't even

684
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,040
notice that he's there.
And it's just like this first

685
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,800
little oh, like this is this is
not going to go the way this guy

686
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,920
thought it was going to go and
leading to him off by himself

687
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,160
drinking a beer, thinking about
how he should be making out with

688
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,880
her.
And then Brad, I love the way,

689
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,800
you know, on the left side of
the screen with expectations,

690
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,240
he's making out with her against
a wall.

691
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,040
And as that gets pushed out of
frame, the way they accomplished

692
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:29,200
that is that the camera tracks
over like into the wall as they

693
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,960
push it out so that you get this
kind of natural like exiting of

694
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,840
that bedroom scenario.
And you put it perfectly.

695
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,600
It's it's the death of a dream
in real time as his world is

696
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,840
getting shattered.
It really I like truly it is

697
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,840
impeccable movie making, both in
the edit, the sound direction

698
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,680
and just like the way that the
cinematography is set up in that

699
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,800
scene.
I like I was mind blown at how

700
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,960
well that sequence holds up.
And in on the Blu-ray, there's

701
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,160
a, you know, making a special
feature because of course there

702
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,240
is.
Where Marc Webb talks about that

703
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:08,600
sequence and how important it
was on the split screen that

704
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,560
only 1/2 of the screen there's
ever anything really happening

705
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,600
in.
So, you know, 1/2 there's the

706
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,120
characters were in motion and
you're watching and the other

707
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,160
half is like Tom's just sitting
still sort of staring off in the

708
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,000
distance.
And, and he talked about, you

709
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,480
know, how how careful it was
knowing that the audience

710
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,840
wouldn't really be able to focus
on both sides of the same time.

711
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,520
So had to make sure that one
side was always sort of like it

712
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,160
was clear.
Nothing's really happening in

713
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,400
This is the side you should be
watching.

714
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:39,200
Yeah, even the start of it, it's
like the expectation is like 10

715
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,720
to 15 steps in front of the
reality so that you can see and

716
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:45,680
you you look to the right and
you go, oh, the same thing's

717
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,440
happening.
I'm going to go back to the one

718
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,880
that's further in the future.
And then eventually they match

719
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,200
to the exact same spot where you
said Bob, and then they start to

720
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,240
split again.
And from that point on, they

721
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:01,680
keep that dissonance of like
action in one in action in the

722
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:05,560
other.
And it's, it's so, so

723
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,880
incredible.
Guys, I think that's actually a

724
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,640
good place for us to hit pause
here because when we come back

725
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,720
from break after our fun little
game, I want to dive more into

726
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,400
the character of Tom as well as
these performances by the two

727
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,880
leads and and any supporting
characters you guys want to talk

728
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,600
about.
But Tom is obviously the key to

729
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,840
this whole movie, and he's the
key to however you want to

730
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,800
interpret the movie.
I think the people that have

731
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,280
issues with this movie, it
really boils down to how you

732
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,200
interpret the character of Tom
and whether the script and the

733
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,480
direction are endorsing all of
his decisions or interrogating

734
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,760
those decisions.
And I think that that's kind of

735
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,160
where I'm in conflict as well.
So I'm excited to talk to you

736
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,480
guys about that.
But Brad, we have a whiskey to

737
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,680
get to.
So what do you say we tried this

738
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,040
Pursuit United Triple Mash Rye?
Let's get to it.

739
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,480
This is the Pursuit United here.
Go ahead and hold it still for

740
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,480
the folks.
Pursuit United Triple Mash Rye

741
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,440
barrel proof, uncut and
unfiltered, just like our

742
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,400
podcast.
Brad, I was going to say a

743
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,160
different word that starts with
AP.

744
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,960
But we'll leave it that that's
true.

745
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,120
Speak for yourself, my friend.
Now listen, we love the folks at

746
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,440
Bourbon Pursuit.
We've had Kenny on the podcast

747
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,880
before.
I think when we did our review

748
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,840
of Fargo, he joined us for that
movie.

749
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,280
We haven't had Ryan on.
We really need to get him on the

750
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,480
show as a guest host.
But since we've had them on,

751
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,320
they launched the Bourbon
Pursuit brand and we have been

752
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:39,400
huge fans of of Pursuit United
since they started making it.

753
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,400
I've always loved the bourbon.
Brad's always loved the rye.

754
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,400
I think they're they're bourbon
won whiskey of the year back in

755
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,960
2022 at the John Barley Corn
Awards.

756
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,440
Like I was going to say stuff,
man.

757
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,200
They for a company that
obviously is a little more

758
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,400
focused, they they don't put out
a huge amount of stuff.

759
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,480
Every single thing they do put
out is really freaking good.

760
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,560
And this one came with a note in
the mail saying, Hey, I wanted

761
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,880
to send you guys this because I
think it's a Whiskey of the Year

762
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,600
contender.
And Bob, I've drank it now and I

763
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,240
have thought.
I have not, I have not drank it

764
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,800
yet.
Now I will say just the, the

765
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,560
massive, as as Stephen Colbert
used to say on the Colbert

766
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,000
Report, the massive huevos
rancheros that it takes to to

767
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,640
say to someone, I think this is
a whiskey of the year candidate

768
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,400
is like, OK, man, if you're
going to set the bar there, like

769
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,840
I'm going to review it at that
bar.

770
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,120
So we're going to answer this
with whiskey of the year

771
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,800
expectations.
OK, Now this label is a blend of

772
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,960
three whiskeys and they actually
did very helpfully put the three

773
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,840
whiskeys on the back here for us
to read.

774
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,360
So we've got 1W from Bardstown
Bourbon Company, that is a 95.5

775
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,840
rye.
We've got 2 whiskeys from

776
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,160
Sagamore Spirit, both obviously
rise.

777
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:02,760
One of them is a 5243 and five,
the five being malted barley and

778
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,760
the other one is another 95.5
rye.

779
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,960
This clocks in at 121.8 proof.
I'm freaking ready.

780
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,320
It's the day after Thanksgiving.
Let's drink barrel proof

781
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,160
whiskey.
Brad, I'm trying it for the

782
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,120
first time.
Why don't you go ahead and give

783
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,920
us your nosing notes while I dip
my nose into this one?

784
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:26,160
Yeah, so this one is like baking
spices and caramel and rye and

785
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,080
sweet mint and like it almost
maybe I have Thanksgiving on the

786
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,120
mind.
It reminds me of like the burnt

787
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,040
marshmallows on top of a sweet
potato casserole.

788
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,800
Like it's it's got that
marshmallowy kind of caramelized

789
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,080
mallow vibe that I'm freaking
digging.

790
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,240
Dude this is an 8.5 for me on
the nose.

791
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,880
No, this is a, this is a 9.5.
This is unbelievable, man.

792
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,920
This smells like my favorite
kind of bourbon, but I know that

793
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,400
it's a rye and so it's going to
have even more character to it

794
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,960
than my favorite bourbon.
It is decadent.

795
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,320
I think your your note of like
kind of caramelized marshmallow

796
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,480
is just perfect on top of this,
man.

797
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,400
It's super decadent.
Sweet mint, I think is also a

798
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,520
really good note here.
There's a there's a ton going on

799
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,120
in the glass.
If you like really rich,

800
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,320
decadent bourbons, this is a
nose that is going to appeal to

801
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,800
you.
It's a nine and a half for me,

802
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,800
Brad.
Yeah, pallet dude drinking.

803
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,200
This is where it gets nuts.
The sweet mint explodes.

804
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,760
For me.
The marshmallow goes from being

805
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,200
like a caramelized marshmallow
to like actual marshmallow

806
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,920
fluff.
Like have you ever had like the

807
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,360
marshmallow fluff out of the
jar?

808
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,680
It reminds me of marshmallow
fluff.

809
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,800
It it's got a lot of rice spice
and it hits once it's sat on my

810
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,440
palate for a second.
It's just like lemon zestiness.

811
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,720
That is really, really nice.
I like this a lot.

812
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:55,600
A lot.
This is a 9.5 for me.

813
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,160
One of the highest compliments I
can give this is that I don't

814
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,800
want to just jump in with notes
here.

815
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,240
I need a second sip.
Yep.

816
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,040
So if you want to give your
finish while I take a second sip

817
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,920
and then I'll I'll catch up with
you after that.

818
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,280
So the finish it like falls off
a tiny bit for the, the pallet,

819
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,480
but that's just because the
pallet is so, so good For me.

820
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,360
The, the surprise on the finish
was it gets like a little bit of

821
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,400
a blueberry cobbler note going
on.

822
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,760
The vanilla kind of starts to
come through, but there's still

823
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,520
a decent amount of like dill,
mint, baking spices, rye

824
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,520
experience going on.
But it with a little bit of like

825
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:41,040
a blueberry vanilla experience
that I didn't get on the nose or

826
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,280
the palate.
So I, I really enjoyed the

827
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,240
finish, came down a tiny bit to
a nine out of 10, but really,

828
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,400
really good.
I think I am going to come down

829
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,400
a little bit on both my palate
and on my finish here.

830
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:01,160
Part of that is because it was
such a rich bourbony nose that

831
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,000
there's a little bit of like,
flavor whiplash for me.

832
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,280
It this is a.
Rye to the palate, it's a rye.

833
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,120
Yeah.
And it isn't.

834
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,200
However, though I will say this
is a personal preference thing.

835
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,480
It doesn't necessarily fall in
my wheelhouse of like preferred

836
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,880
Ryze, you know, that I think one
of my favorite rice we've ever

837
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,240
had on the show, Brad, is that
Tumbling Dice rye.

838
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,560
Yeah, that was very good.
Like, you know, that really

839
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,280
strong mint and kind of dill
flavor to it.

840
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,760
There's a little bit of sourness
to a rye that I like.

841
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:36,320
This one sticks in that sort of
like minty, but more like barrel

842
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,520
toast and kind of bitterness
realm.

843
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,040
And that doesn't appeal to me as
much as the ones that tip a

844
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,400
little bit more like sour.
And so this is like, especially

845
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,920
as I kick it to the back of my
palate, I think the barrel notes

846
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,640
become really, really prominent
on this.

847
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,000
And it reminds me of like a
toasted barrel finish that we

848
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,720
get on bourbon sometimes.
Like the, you know, you take

849
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,400
Elijah Craig and then you drink
Elijah Craig toasted barrel.

850
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,040
And there's specific notes that
come out in that.

851
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,640
It's still really good.
I wish it had a little bit more

852
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:10,560
of that kind of like, you know,
caramel brule latte thing I got

853
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,440
going on on the nose.
It doesn't have that sweet,

854
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,440
decadent richness.
I'm going to give it an 8.5 on

855
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:21,840
both taste and on finish.
Now balance, I think is I, I'm,

856
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,640
I'm going to turn it over to you
because it sounds like you

857
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,160
started at a good baseline and
then went up from there.

858
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,200
I started at the top and came
just a step down.

859
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,600
How does that affect our balance
scores here, Brad?

860
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,000
I think that this is a like a
really well balanced whiskey

861
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,120
that doesn't, it doesn't strike
me as like a perfect balance.

862
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,200
There's definitely peaks and
valleys here.

863
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,040
I'm going to give it an 8 1/2
out of 10.

864
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,120
This is a really complex,
interesting, lots of stuff going

865
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,800
on rye.
I don't know if it all works

866
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,200
together.
All the pieces like fit together

867
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,800
perfectly, but I really like all
of the individual pieces.

868
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,720
I agree with that.
Like on that 4th sip, it was the

869
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,400
the sweetest sip yet at the
front of my palate.

870
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,480
But then at the very back of my
palate, I'm getting leathery

871
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,640
notes.
I'm getting that sort of like

872
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,000
bitter barrel char.
There's some cigarette ash in

873
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,600
there a little bit.
And so it's like individual

874
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,400
things that I would list in a
list of things I like in a

875
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,040
whiskey.
I don't exactly know how the

876
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,560
combination of them coheres, but
I still like it a lot.

877
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,240
I think I'm going to stick it in
8.5.

878
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,120
This is a damn good whiskey.
Yeah.

879
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:38,200
Now, Brad, on their website,
they're listing this at 7999,

880
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,800
which just like just to know
where the provenance of these

881
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,480
three whiskeys are, to know that
it is blended in very small

882
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,640
batches and to see what we get
here at barrel strength.

883
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,560
I think this is actually
probably a pretty huge bargain.

884
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,640
I expected this to be in like
the one 20s.

885
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,400
So if you're thinking like
Christmas gift, $80 is pretty

886
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,680
well in line with what I would
want to pay for this bread.

887
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,200
Yeah, this is a nine out of 10
on value, like really strong

888
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,120
value.
If it was like drop down to like

889
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,160
80 or 75, I think this is a 10
out of 10 value.

890
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:17,080
But as it is, 80 bucks for this
whiskey is an absolute home run.

891
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,880
And truly, if you're looking for
a good Christmas present,

892
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:24,280
something that will surprise and
a whiskey lover would really

893
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,240
enjoy, this is a great,
phenomenal purchase.

894
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,960
Yeah, and, and I'll say most of
the time, even if I like a

895
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,120
whiskey, I'll say something
like, I can't imagine how good a

896
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,440
cocktail would be with this.
I would say don't put this in a

897
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,560
cocktail.
Like this is too complex and and

898
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,160
there's too much to kind of chew
on here that you'll lose some of

899
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,160
that if you just throw it into a
Manhattan.

900
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,960
I'm sure it would make a
fantastic Manhattan, but I think

901
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,320
this deserves to be sipped on
meat, and that's one of the

902
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,760
highest compliments I can give
to it.

903
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,000
Brad, I'm coming out to a 44 out
of 50 on this one.

904
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,040
Where you at?
Half point higher, sitting at a

905
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,120
44.5 out of 50.
All right, so that is taking us

906
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:11,920
to an 88 1/2 out of 100 or 44.25
on average.

907
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,760
Now again, anything over a 40 is
kind of a no brainer

908
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,080
recommendation.
When it hits 45 out of 50 is

909
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,360
where it joins like the elite of
the elite on our podcast.

910
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,640
So this is 1/2 point basically
shy of that.

911
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Do you think calling it a
Whiskey of the Year contender is

912
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,840
fair to say, Brad?
Absolutely.

913
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,200
Yeah, this is one of those
whiskeys that it like is so

914
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,360
close to elite tier that in any
given year, this could be a

915
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,920
contender.
It it could be an option for

916
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,560
anyone who's like just vibing
with it that day to be like, oh,

917
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,240
this is the best whiskey I've
drank all year.

918
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,720
This is up there for me in that
category.

919
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,240
I'm not a car guy, but I I kind
of imagine that like, you know,

920
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:57,600
people who know cars in and out,
they have their preferred

921
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,720
brands, they have their
preferred styles, they have

922
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,640
their dream car out there.
They can still appreciate a

923
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,800
machine that's well built.
And I think that you and I both

924
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,840
kind of said, I like this a lot.
I don't know if it's exactly my

925
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,320
wheelhouse.
And for us to land half a point

926
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:19,120
shy of giving this like an all
time high score, consider us on

927
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,920
the lower end of people who love
this product.

928
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,280
And it's still almost at a 90
out of 100 for us.

929
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,320
This is a damn good whiskey.
This is absolutely a whiskey of

930
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,320
the year contender.
I think Kenny and Ryan once

931
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,840
again have knocked it out of the
park.

932
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,680
And for 80 bucks like you really
can't do much better than this.

933
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,160
Yeah, We really should go look
back at all of our scores and

934
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,760
see how many whiskies in the
seven, seven years of doing this

935
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,920
podcast that we've given a 90,
an average of 90 out of 100.

936
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,120
We've had a few where I'm at
like a 47, you're at a 42.

937
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,000
But like for both of us to be an
average of 45 or higher, it's

938
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,000
probably less than 10.
Oh, yeah.

939
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,240
Like, I mean, so let's say we've
reviewed 500 whiskeys.

940
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,680
Now you're talking about, yeah,
I mean, even more than that.

941
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,880
You're talking about 10 out of
500, right?

942
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,320
Like you're talking like top one
or 2% of the whiskeys that we've

943
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,320
had and this is just shy of
that.

944
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:28,440
All right, everybody.
That was Pursuit United Rye

945
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:33,200
triple mash deliciousness.
Yeah, I mean.

946
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:34,800
Exactly.
What it's called?

947
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,120
What a great.
Whiskey, Bob.

948
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,440
That was darn good, man.
A good way to end the year,

949
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,080
Brad.
Darn Tooting good.

950
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,560
You know what else is darn
Tooting good, Bob?

951
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,680
I actually do.
It's not what you think it is,

952
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,000
though.
I want to give a quick plug for

953
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,040
something real quick.
And I think this is up on our,

954
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,960
our TikTok and Instagram reels.
Now, we've been using this app

955
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,360
called Riverside to record our
podcast this year.

956
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,680
And I'm not going to give them a
ton of promo, but they're owned

957
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,280
by Spotify.
And so the same way that Spotify

958
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,120
does like a, a Spotify wrapped
at the end of the year, they did

959
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:09,200
like a recap of your podcast's
videos on Riverside for us to

960
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,440
look at.
And they, they put together this

961
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,880
little clip and it just says,
it's a clip that says your most

962
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,720
used word in 2025.
And it's literally just a clip

963
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:22,200
of me saying the word Brad like
75 times.

964
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,120
The same way they're like, it's
all the suffering suffering.

965
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,920
Yes, it's all the emotions.
It's it's Brad.

966
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,800
So much suffrage it's.
It is my favorite thing and and

967
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,680
every time that I'm ending a
sentence with comma Brad to

968
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,160
throw over to you now I'm just
thinking about I'm just adding

969
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,320
to the tally now of the number
of times I've said that.

970
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,240
Yeah, we've only used Riverside
for like half the year.

971
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:49,400
Next year it's just going to be
like 2000 Brads.

972
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,200
It's going to be like when
Scorsese was just outdoing

973
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,040
himself with the number of F
bombs he was putting in every

974
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,040
successive movie in the 90s.
That's that's how this is, Brad.

975
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,600
See, there it is again, Brad.
All right.

976
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,840
It's time for us to get into our
next segment of the day, which

977
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,040
is our Game 2 Facts and a
Falsehood.

978
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:13,760
Brad is going to try to stumpy
ball 2 all right.

979
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,760
And what is wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts

980
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,400
and a Falsehood is the part of
the show where Brad presents me

981
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,400
with three items as fact about
the making of this movie, one of

982
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,360
which is a complete lie.
Now, Brad, I have not been doing

983
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,880
great this season at 2 Facts and
a Falsehood.

984
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,680
I'm slowly chiseling my way out
of the hole that I've made for

985
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,600
myself.
But we've also been kind of

986
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,080
gambling because we've had a lot
of guests on recently.

987
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,120
And the way this works is we
have to figure out the

988
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,520
falsehood.
But if I rely on the expertise

989
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,520
of our guest, what happens is if
we lose, I get 2 losses on the

990
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,880
day and only one victory if we
win.

991
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,960
So there is a lot of pressure on
Daniel.

992
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,200
Luckily it sounds like he loves
this movie, so I'm hoping that

993
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,040
he knows quite a bit of trivia
about it.

994
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,560
Brad, we did watch this movie on
Amazon Prime Video and they have

995
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,120
that little X-ray thing that
comes up on the side to tell you

996
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,120
fun facts about the movie.
So every time I had to pause the

997
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,920
movie, I did read the little
X-ray fact.

998
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,360
So I'm hoping you didn't pull
your two facts and a falsehood

999
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,280
from that, because I might
actually get you today if that's

1000
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,280
where you're coming from.
I will say every every once in a

1001
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:29,200
while I will also notice the
X-ray facts and then like later

1002
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,320
when I'm doing my research on
IMDb, I'll see the exact same

1003
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,760
thing on there.
And I'm like, I wonder if that

1004
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,520
was like AI grabbing it and
putting it over.

1005
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,880
If like some user was like copy.
Paste, copy, paste.

1006
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,800
Yep.
All right man, hit me with your

1007
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,440
two facts and a falsehood.
Fact #1 The movie was filmed

1008
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:54,000
while Matthew Gray Gubler, who
plays Paul, was on hiatus from

1009
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,640
his television series Criminal
Minds, during which Gubler

1010
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,840
severely dislocated his knee
while making this film, not

1011
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,760
while on set, but while dancing
during his time off.

1012
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,720
His injury was severe enough
that it required him to use a

1013
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:13,680
cane for more than six months,
and they had to explain it on

1014
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,440
the show by having him shot in
the knee.

1015
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:23,720
Wow, it's a good time.
Fact #2 Early drafts of the

1016
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,920
final bench scene overlooking
downtown Los Angeles, which, by

1017
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:32,240
the way, I had no idea this
movie was set in Los Angeles.

1018
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,440
I thought this was your job of
not they they don't make it look

1019
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,800
like a parking lot I.
Thought this was New York City.

1020
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,160
Every single time I watched it,
there was something this time

1021
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:48,000
that I heard them like once say
the word LA and I was like hold

1022
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,320
on, this is not in LA.
What?

1023
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,520
What are you talking anyways?
So this wait, so the part where

1024
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,120
they go to the wedding on the
train, did you think they took

1025
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,960
an Amtrak from New York to
California to go to a wedding?

1026
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,000
Well, no, it it doesn't have to
be.

1027
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,760
California, There's like palm
trees in the background of that

1028
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,960
wedding scene.
Like very prominently.

1029
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,600
I just figured they went up, you
know, upstate New York

1030
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,360
somewhere, you know.
Those are the palm trees of

1031
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,840
Newark, of course.
Obviously the Hoboken palms,

1032
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,720
yeah.
Dude I had no idea.

1033
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,240
Thought it was New York City the
whole time.

1034
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,840
Early drafts of the final bench
scene overlooking downtown Los

1035
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,640
Angeles included a longer
exchange in which Summer

1036
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,200
explicitly apologize for hurting
Tom, but the lines were cut

1037
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,960
during rehearsals when both
actors agreed the apology felt

1038
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,560
too explanatory and weakened the
ambiguity of the moment.

1039
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,400
Fact #3 The scene where Tom and
Summer play around with the

1040
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:47,040
furniture in the store.
IKEA, which is the worst store

1041
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:52,200
on the planet that is a braggy
fact, isn't actually in the

1042
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,240
script.
In the script, Tom and Summer

1043
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,040
are at dinner as Tom makes fun
of another couple and Summer

1044
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,920
refers to him as Judge Mental.
Oh, interesting.

1045
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,480
Sorry, there's a lot of little
rabbit trails in today's little.

1046
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,320
Asides there I'm really
struggling.

1047
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,680
I don't know which of these
would be the falsehood #3 sounds

1048
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,720
like that does sound like the
kind of thing you'd cut from a

1049
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,640
first draft, right?
Like you don't want to make him

1050
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,760
meaner than he needs to be at
that stage of the movie.

1051
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,520
The Matthew Gray Gubler 1 is
throwing me a little bit too,

1052
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:31,920
and I'm not a Criminal Minds
watcher.

1053
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,280
I imagine that he did walk with
a cane for part of that show, or

1054
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,800
you wouldn't have either pulled
the fact or made it up.

1055
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:44,960
But I've also never heard of a
dislocated knee requiring a cane

1056
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,600
to walk with like that.
Sounds a little iffy to me and

1057
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,680
#2.
I know so much about.

1058
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,160
I know so much about medicine,
Bob.

1059
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,800
I I know you do, Brad, all your
degrees, Daniel, I don't even

1060
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,720
remember what number 2 was, so
I'm just going to throw over to

1061
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,240
you for your.
General impressions I had to

1062
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,760
reread #2 if that's if that's
allowed in the by laws of the

1063
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,920
game.
Fact number 2 was basically

1064
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,200
Summer and Tom at the bench
scene, changing the line from

1065
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,640
being directly apologetic to
more ambiguous.

1066
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:19,400
That one sounds.
Real.

1067
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,840
Are you talking about the?
Are you talking about the bench

1068
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,000
scene at the end of the movie or
the beginning?

1069
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,360
Then yeah.
The end of the movie.

1070
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:28,640
Yeah.
OK.

1071
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,440
So that one sounds real to me.
So I think you're choosing

1072
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,680
between #1 and #3 I want to say
#1 sounds real just because it

1073
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,960
was so detailed.
And I don't know, maybe I'm

1074
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,720
being judge mental Brad's
imagination here.

1075
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,600
But like, you have to be a
serious fanfic writer, I think

1076
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,200
to to write number one.
Yeah.

1077
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,720
So I guess I'd go with #3 but I
I truly don't know the answer.

1078
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:54,000
Now here's the scenario for for
#1 to be a Brad G invention.

1079
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,160
There are a few television shows
that Brad watches that I just

1080
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,720
like.
I would have never pegged him as

1081
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:04,440
a watcher of that show.
And so if he is a Criminal Minds

1082
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,960
watcher, then Matthew Gray
Gubler would be one of the like

1083
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,400
10 actors ever that Brad
recognizes from this thing to

1084
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,560
that thing.
And so he'd be like, I recognize

1085
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,080
this guy.
I have to invent a fact about

1086
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,960
this.
And the more I'm saying this,

1087
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,840
the more I'm talking myself into
this being exactly what Brad

1088
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,920
did.
But I, I do like to, if we're

1089
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,400
going to go down, I'd rather go
down together.

1090
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,800
And I think #3 is fishy enough
that I will put my lot in with

1091
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,440
Daniel and take the 2 L's if
necessary, and I'll go ahead and

1092
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,560
lock in #3 Wait, no, you said
three sounded true, right?

1093
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,680
No, I think 1 sound.
I think 1 and 2 sound true. 3 is

1094
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,960
the one I would guess.
But again, I I truly don't know

1095
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,000
the answer.
So you're, you know, join me at

1096
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,000
your own peril.
Yeah, let's say 33 is the

1097
01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:01,920
falsehood Brad final answer.
Bob #3 is not the falsehood #1

1098
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,640
is not the falsehood.
Really.

1099
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,920
Is the falsehood.
And it says a lot about what we

1100
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,160
all think of summer, doesn't it?
You know.

1101
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,440
I should have known when I asked
you to reread it and you

1102
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,320
summarize instead of rereading
it.

1103
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:24,920
I I usually do summarize it.
It's funny man.

1104
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,040
So I guess I get 2 losses on the
day.

1105
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,400
Two losses, Bob, I'm.
Sorry, I don't know if I don't

1106
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,720
know if we've ever had it happen
that I went with the one that

1107
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,960
the guest suggested and we were
both wrong and that it was a

1108
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:41,680
completely different one.
Yeah.

1109
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,920
I almost feel like that deserves
3 losses because we were so bad

1110
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,080
at that picking.
I'll.

1111
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,720
I'll take it you take those 3
losses.

1112
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:53,400
No, no, no, no.
Hey, I didn't say.

1113
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,640
It so 2 two more in the loss
column on 2 facts and a

1114
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,480
falsehood, which bums me out.
But luckily we have this movie

1115
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,360
to talk about, which does not
bum me out.

1116
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,840
And I want to get back into
talking about the movie a little

1117
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,800
bit here.
And it's time for us to talk

1118
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:13,200
about the main character of Tom
because boy, oh boy, have our

1119
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,080
experiences with this movie
changed over time and our

1120
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:20,240
relationship to the character of
Tom Brad, as I remember back in

1121
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,280
season 1, you know, we're in our
late 20s.

1122
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,760
We're both married at that point
and we're starting to realize

1123
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,960
that Tom is a very immature man
and that he's really bad at

1124
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,840
communicating upfront and
setting healthy boundaries.

1125
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:39,160
And I think that AII have not
changed in that opinion at all.

1126
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:43,120
In fact, I feel even more so now
that he's even harder to relate

1127
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:47,880
to because he reminds me of a
time in my life where I was like

1128
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,800
that.
And I wonder sometimes if like,

1129
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,760
I'm so embarrassed of how I used
to behave that like I'm I'm

1130
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,960
angrily pushing back on on this
character now because of that.

1131
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,600
But I think the more intriguing
question is that in season 1, I

1132
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,760
remember asking the question,
does this movie know what it's

1133
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:16,000
doing in terms of portraying Tom
as a, a, an immature and short

1134
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:20,680
sighted character?
Or is it kind of accidentally

1135
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:26,560
pointing out the the toxic
nature of SO belief system?

1136
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:31,160
I will say in season 1 we didn't
do 2 facts and a falsehood.

1137
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,800
Now, having done some more
research on the movie, The

1138
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,080
writer Scott Neustadter, who is
one of the two writers on this

1139
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:46,000
film, based this entire script
on a relationship that he had

1140
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,640
and in multiple interviews was
like 75% of what happens in this

1141
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,480
movie happened to me.
And it seems if that is the

1142
01:04:54,480 --> 01:05:00,160
case, that the movie is trying
to portray Tom as the hero of

1143
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:05,880
the story.
The reality is there's no hero

1144
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:12,200
of this story like I, I I don't
think it has to be an either or.

1145
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,800
And I don't know if this is like
paring away at future things

1146
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,080
we're going to talk about.
But when it comes to Tom

1147
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:23,520
specifically, I really like
Daniel, what we talked about

1148
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,720
earlier, this idea that this
really is a reminiscence.

1149
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:31,800
And I think that if I was
reflecting back on the story of

1150
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,480
my life and I remembered all the
things that Tom remembered about

1151
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,800
his relationship or things that
I remembered about my

1152
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:43,160
relationship, it doesn't seem
like he's very being very kind

1153
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,080
to himself.
Like he's remembering a lot of

1154
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:51,080
moments that were not his best.
And so I weirdly don't think

1155
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:55,480
that if you take that kind of
viewpoint for this movie, I

1156
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,520
don't think you're actually
seeing Tom as the hero.

1157
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:03,120
I think he's reflecting on and
being like, yeah, I, I kind of

1158
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,720
sucked and I got really drunk
and said stupid things and I got

1159
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,120
into a fist fight for this girl
who didn't want me to get into a

1160
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,240
fist fight for her.
And like, there's all sorts of

1161
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,200
stuff going on.
And then there's moments where

1162
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,960
he's like, yeah, no, like I, I
did a lot of good things and we

1163
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,320
had a lot of fun.
And and to me, that helps me

1164
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:25,400
make sense of like the time of
it all for this movie.

1165
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,840
Yeah, Daniel, what, what are
your reactions?

1166
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,520
So when we talk about the hero,
villain question, I mean, I, I

1167
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,880
agree with Brad.
There's, there's, there's no

1168
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,240
hero really.
But I, I do think there's a

1169
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:46,080
villain.
And to me, there's a when I

1170
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,440
rewatched it this time, I really
latched on to what I feel like

1171
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:56,080
is the key line in the movie,
going back to Brad's quiz, the

1172
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,360
park bench scene.
Did any, I'm, I'm curious before

1173
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,440
I said, did anything stand out
to you, either of you guys is a

1174
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,320
really important line in that
scene.

1175
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,920
The the final one where he's
like on his way to the

1176
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,240
interview.
Yeah.

1177
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,520
Oh, it's it's not clicking.
To me at the moment, there were

1178
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,200
two moments in that scene that
really hit me.

1179
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,120
And the first one is when he's
still very mad at her and he

1180
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,640
just looks at her and says you
just do whatever you want, don't

1181
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,680
you?
And then the second line is kind

1182
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:27,160
of the undoing of that where she
has told him, like, you actually

1183
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,040
taught me a lot about being
hopeful and optimistic and

1184
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,160
embracing love.
And she said, like, you were

1185
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,200
right it.
I don't know how she says it.

1186
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:39,360
She says like, it just it wasn't
me that you were looking for.

1187
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,520
And I think that kind of put
everything into perspective for

1188
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:43,840
me.
But I'm curious what the line

1189
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,640
was for you.
Well, so the first line, you

1190
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,280
said you just do whatever you
want, don't you?

1191
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,600
Do you remember what she said
that he replied that with?

1192
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,480
No.
They were talking about the

1193
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,400
wedding they were at before, You
know, why'd you?

1194
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:01,360
Dance.
Why'd you dance?

1195
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,360
Because I wanted to.
Exactly.

1196
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:04,600
He said, why'd you dance with
me?

1197
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,280
And she said because I wanted
to.

1198
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,840
And she didn't even say it.
She said it in such a whimsical

1199
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,600
way.
She said because I wanted to.

1200
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,359
And that to me is the is, is the
key line of, I mean, it's not

1201
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,920
the line of the movie in any
way, but it's, it's the, it's

1202
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,960
the key line of the sort of
emotional story the movie is

1203
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:27,120
telling.
You know, this is a a fight I've

1204
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:31,080
gotten in with people over the
years is the idea of what do we

1205
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:36,359
owe one another?
And I think that when you are

1206
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:43,960
dating people, you owe your
intentions not to crush them.

1207
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:48,479
Essentially, one, once you
realize that someone likes you,

1208
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,680
whether it's love or not,
whatever, whatever stage is that

1209
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,479
once you realize you kind of
have the ability to crush

1210
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,200
people, you owe it to them not
to.

1211
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:02,600
And that line to me is where
Summer sort of reveals she knew

1212
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,560
she could have crushed him and
she and she just did.

1213
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,040
Because in the in that moment,
it's not that she wanted to

1214
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,479
crush him, it's that she didn't
care that that was going to be

1215
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,439
the result.
Yeah, yeah.

1216
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:15,800
Wow.
That's, man.

1217
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,080
That's a great way of framing
it.

1218
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,800
You know, when we were in
between segments here off air,

1219
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,319
kind of talking about how we
wanted to bring this up, Daniel,

1220
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:25,760
you were referring to this sort
of like dichotomy that's been

1221
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,120
floated of like when you watch
this movie in your 20s, you see

1222
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,520
Tom is the hero.
When you watch it as an adult,

1223
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,920
you see Summer is the hero and
Tom is the villain.

1224
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,080
And I do I agree with both of
you guys that I think to think

1225
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,920
that either one of them is 100%
in the right is to take too

1226
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,000
simplistic a reading of both
characters.

1227
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:47,040
And I think that I went into
this movie this time and got

1228
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,399
very quickly annoyed with the
character of Tom and his

1229
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:54,000
insistence on making something
of this relationship that she

1230
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,360
clearly said she didn't want and
and building her up into this

1231
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:02,280
romantic ideal while at every
point she seemed to be telling

1232
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,640
him not to do so.
And then it hits a point in the

1233
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,120
movie where there, I think it
was the IKEA scene for me where

1234
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,000
I'm like, this seems like couple
behavior.

1235
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,840
This is not something that you
do with a guy that you're just

1236
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,920
just hanging out with.
And that's actually what he then

1237
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,000
refers to.
Now he makes an ass of himself

1238
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,320
when he punches the guy and gets
punched in the bar.

1239
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,120
But then when he finally kind of
takes his righteous stand and

1240
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,240
says, I say we're a couple, damn
it.

1241
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,160
Like you don't do this stuff
with your friend.

1242
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,920
Summer is also a very selfish
person.

1243
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,680
And I think, Brad, you know, the
key for me as I was texting you

1244
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,240
about this earlier, is at the
very beginning of the movie,

1245
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,440
they tell you everything you
need to know about both of these

1246
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:45,600
characters that Summer's dealing
with.

1247
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:50,400
She's informed by this trauma of
her parents marriage dissolving

1248
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,400
in front of her eyes.
And So what she's responding to

1249
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,400
as a person and what she's going
to be setting herself up for is

1250
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,640
like, I will not commit to a
serious relationship because

1251
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,320
serious relationships end and
they hurt people.

1252
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,400
So I will have all of the
trappings of a serious

1253
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,680
relationship and, and refuse to
take responsibility and refuse

1254
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,400
to put a label on it.
And then Tom, meanwhile, you get

1255
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,280
the great line about him having
a total misreading of the movie

1256
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,880
The Graduate.
So then that comes back around

1257
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,600
at the end of the movie when he
takes her to see The Graduate, a

1258
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:28,640
movie that crucially ends with
Dustin Hoffman stealing away a

1259
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,920
bride from the altar to run away
with him and both of them

1260
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,680
realizing in real time as they
pull away from the church, this

1261
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,480
was a bad decision.
And that's where the movie ends.

1262
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,640
And you see some are freaking
shattered by this because it's

1263
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,120
all of her fears wrapped into
one.

1264
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,360
It's somebody running out on a
committed relationship and it

1265
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,920
scares her to death.
And that's what sets her off on

1266
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:57,480
breaking up with him.
So I, I think that like, I do

1267
01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:01,360
think Summer as a character sets
boundary.

1268
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,320
She's more aware of her own
flaws and tries to set

1269
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,640
boundaries, but she is still
very much in process and she's

1270
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,240
still very much a flawed person.
And Tom's big flaw is that he

1271
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,680
doesn't even know what his flaws
are for most of the movie.

1272
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,440
So Summer might be a little bit
farther along in her

1273
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:20,640
development, but she's really no
better than he is.

1274
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,440
And I think that, you know, you
can go from Tom's the Tom's the

1275
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:26,680
hero to Tom's the villain.
But then I think there's a,

1276
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,800
there's another step, which is
like, people are complicated.

1277
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:31,680
Neither of these people are
perfect.

1278
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,280
Sometimes relationships don't
work out because you catch

1279
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,440
people at the wrong time.
And that's just how it is.

1280
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,200
Well, and you brought up the
IKEA scene and I think that's

1281
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,600
important too, you know, like
look, I mean we've all been

1282
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,280
there situation ships are fine,
friends with benefits are fine.

1283
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:52,280
Like date how you want to date,
but if you know you you, if you

1284
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,720
see something as a situation
chip or you see something as

1285
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,480
friends with benefits, don't
then go Playhouse with that

1286
01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:02,120
person, right?
Yep, Yep, yeah, there there's.

1287
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,760
There is no nothing says playing
house more than literally going

1288
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,640
to IKEA and playing house.
Yeah, but.

1289
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,760
They were playing with the Flug,
Brad, Yeah.

1290
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:17,360
I, I think the, the one of the
like key things that's super sad

1291
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:24,360
is when they mimic like the IKEA
scene, but they start with the

1292
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:28,480
sad part where Tom's like doing
the faucets and trying to call

1293
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:31,200
back to something.
And you can tell that he's

1294
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:32,480
trying to call back to
something.

1295
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,640
And then they give it to you
later.

1296
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,040
And it makes you all the more
sad as you watch it later

1297
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,600
because you're like, oh, but I
know where this goes.

1298
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:45,560
And that to me is so
heartbreaking because like it,

1299
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,920
it's, it's so true to life that
when you feel a relationship

1300
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,920
dissolving, what you turn to is
like, oh, but look at all these

1301
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:56,600
inside jokes we have like, and
that you, you, you see him

1302
01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,440
falling into that and you just
immediately think, oh, Jesus,

1303
01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:02,280
I've been there.
Yeah.

1304
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,720
Well, and I think that that is
one of those places where Marc

1305
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,080
Webb does a service to the
movie, and we can kind of talk

1306
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,080
about the character of Summer a
little bit more if you guys

1307
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,720
would like, because like I said,
I do think she's a flawed

1308
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,880
character.
I think that a really simplistic

1309
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:21,680
reading of this movie is to see
Tom's skewed perception of the

1310
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:26,520
past as like a the film maker's
verdict on Summer, which it is

1311
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:28,920
not.
And I and hearing you talk about

1312
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,840
the screenwriter, Brad, and how
this was based on him, it's

1313
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,600
like, oh, maybe he was a little
biased too.

1314
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,960
But Marc Webb actually said this
is directly off the Wikipedia

1315
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,440
page.
Summer is an immature view of a

1316
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:43,160
woman.
She is Tom's view of a woman.

1317
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,240
He doesn't see her complexity
and the consequence for him is

1318
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,160
heartbreak.
In Tom's eyes, Summer is

1319
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,560
perfection, but perfection has
no depth.

1320
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,880
Summer is not a girl.
She's a phase.

1321
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,640
And I was like, damn, this guy
actually did understand what he

1322
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,080
wanted to do with this movie and
all the accusations I ever

1323
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:09,080
hurled at it for perhaps
unconsciously being more complex

1324
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,040
than it is.
I don't think that's true.

1325
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,840
I think, I think Marc Webb 100%
set out to make a movie about

1326
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,840
complex people and he succeeded
with it.

1327
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:21,200
Yeah, so do you guys think that
Summer is a manic Pixie dream

1328
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,640
girl?
It it kind of feels.

1329
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,360
Wants her to be.
It feels like an Inception type

1330
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,960
of thing where like within the
world of the film, in Tom's

1331
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:36,080
mind, during the relationship,
she is therefore she's portrayed

1332
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,960
as that.
And yet the glimpses, the cracks

1333
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,920
of reality that you see
throughout the movie, you're

1334
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:46,160
like, yeah, no, She's like,
she's a normal human being who

1335
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:51,040
makes mistakes and isn't lovable
at times and is very lovable at

1336
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,280
other times.
And like her major flaw, what

1337
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,200
you said, Daniel, I, I think
you're right.

1338
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,920
Her major flaw is that she just
does what she wants.

1339
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:03,160
And and sometimes that's great
and sometimes that hurts other

1340
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,960
people.
And her commitment to doing what

1341
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,240
she wants to figure out who she
is.

1342
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,680
Another call back to why this is
the most millennial movie ever

1343
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,560
is like is going to hurt other
people.

1344
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,240
And I, I think if there's one
piece of dissonance for me, it's

1345
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,760
the, and I don't know how else
you would have done it, but it's

1346
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:27,040
the quickness between her
getting engaged and married and

1347
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,320
then sitting with him on the
park bench and just having this

1348
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:33,360
very serene, like this is where
I was at emotionally.

1349
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,880
And I, I'm sorry that it hurt
you, but but here we are now as

1350
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,600
mature adults and let's have a
nice resolution.

1351
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,720
That's the only part for me,
that she's kind of a manic

1352
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,000
Pixie, like counsellor's dream
girl.

1353
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,600
Manic Pixie therapy girl.
We're we are coining that phrase

1354
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:56,960
today, Brad, on this podcast.
That's good.

1355
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,960
The the where I question the
trope is I think one of the main

1356
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:05,640
tenants of the trope is that the
female character only exists as

1357
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:11,840
a narrative device to draw the
male character out of sort of

1358
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,360
this he he kind of has.
And I don't think that's true in

1359
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,280
this movie.
I don't I don't think that the

1360
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:25,640
movie ever puts her in a box of
being there to turn Tom into

1361
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,560
something he's not already.
So I had this conversation with

1362
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,680
my wife earlier tonight and she
thinks that that is true because

1363
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:34,880
that's the architect plot of the
movie.

1364
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:39,360
Is that only only once you know
he has the heartbreak Does he

1365
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:43,600
Does he then decide to re pursue
architecture and that that's the

1366
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,160
sort of manic Dixie dream girl
of it all?

1367
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:54,000
I mean, yeah, it does seem like
the the thrust of the movie is

1368
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:58,000
like this relationship came at a
pivotal point of his life and it

1369
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,680
moved him forward.
I mean, it really feels like a

1370
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:07,240
La La Land in terms of the plot
of like this very toxic

1371
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:11,920
relationship kind of pushes us
forward into our own respective

1372
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,960
careers.
And if we hadn't kind of butted

1373
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:20,120
heads and had this beautiful
love affair wildness, then we

1374
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:24,040
never would have become who we
needed to become for our

1375
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,560
respective careers or future
marriages or things like that.

1376
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:32,760
And I think that's that's one of
the most truly human elements of

1377
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:37,440
this is that whenever you talk
to anybody who's older and seems

1378
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:40,840
to have a bit of wisdom about
them, they don't look back on

1379
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,720
their failures, on their heart
breaks on the disappointing

1380
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:48,120
stuff of their life and go like,
man, I would get rid of all that

1381
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:51,240
pain if I could.
It's like, no, like that's part

1382
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,720
of who made me, made me who I
am.

1383
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:58,000
And I think that's what you kind
of see as Tom moves forward at

1384
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,720
the end of the film, and it's
really fascinating.

1385
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,080
Yeah, And I think that when this
movie finally drops some of the

1386
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,720
goofiness of the asides, you
know, like the they extended

1387
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:13,400
like, homage to French New Wave
cinema and then Bergman films is

1388
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,480
funny.
But it's also like, I'm really

1389
01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:18,240
glad that when it hits that last
25 minutes, it's like, OK, it's

1390
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,400
time to, like, tell a real story
here.

1391
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,440
Yeah.
And they commit to it because I

1392
01:19:22,440 --> 01:19:26,760
think that it gets at something
very beautiful about maturing

1393
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:31,760
and coming of age and learning
how time just kind of screws

1394
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,200
things up sometimes, Brad.
And it, it gets me back to our

1395
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,240
two of our favorite movies we've
ever done on this podcast, you

1396
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,520
know, Brief Encounter being one
of them and past lives being

1397
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,360
another, where you have to
reckon with the fact that like,

1398
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:51,200
maybe Summer was the perfect
person for him if they were both

1399
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,440
just a little further along in
their journeys of maturing.

1400
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,160
And you know what?
We're never going to find out.

1401
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,320
And that's OK.
But it's also OK to acknowledge

1402
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,920
the the tragedy in that, that
there's something to mourn there

1403
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,440
and that there is real beauty
that came out of it as well.

1404
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,760
And I think that this movie at
its best.

1405
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:15,160
Doesn't try to undercut that
theme because it knows that you

1406
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,800
can't, you can't.
You can't make light of that

1407
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:21,400
because that's the crux of it.
Yeah, dude, I mean, past lives,

1408
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,880
like all I can think about is
like Tom moving away and coming

1409
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:29,960
back and like Summer and her
husband having the conversations

1410
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,800
of like the, you know, I don't,
I don't know if I speak the same

1411
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,480
language as you of your dreams
and things like that.

1412
01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:38,240
And like that wrestling, you're
like, you're like, yeah, it's

1413
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:42,400
all there, man.
I mean, like you said about, you

1414
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,240
know, maybe they were right for
each other at different times.

1415
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,120
I mean, this is a conversation
my wife had.

1416
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,560
I have all the time was like, we
wonder, you know, we didn't meet

1417
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,640
till we were in our mid 30s.
And we wonder if we would even

1418
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,640
would have liked each other if
we'd met 10 years earlier.

1419
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:58,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100% I'm still
shocked that my wife liked me 10

1420
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:01,800
years ago.
Like I wild wild that she fell

1421
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,520
in love with that guy.
Wild to me.

1422
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,440
On that note, guys, I think it's
time for us to get into our last

1423
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:10,720
segment of the day, which we
call let's make it a double.

1424
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:14,360
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks listening to

1425
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,240
the film and Whiskey show.
Let's have another film with

1426
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:18,680
this one, even if it's
struggling.

1427
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:20,040
It's the final segment of the
day.

1428
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,680
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is the

1429
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,920
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1430
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:27,720
to make the perfect double
feature.

1431
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,240
Now, we've already thrown out
some titles here, which I think

1432
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,440
would be fantastic titles.
None of them are ones that I'm

1433
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:36,760
picking for my Let's Make it a
double, but I'd like to throw

1434
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,840
over to our guest first.
Daniel, this is a movie that is

1435
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,120
clearly near and dear to your
heart, so I'm sure that you've

1436
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,760
given this some thought.
What is your double feature

1437
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,000
recommendation for 500 Days of
Summer?

1438
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,640
Yeah, I mean, there are a few
directions to go.

1439
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,480
Eternal Sunshine is an obvious
one, but like you said, we've

1440
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,120
we've mentioned that several
Times Now.

1441
01:21:54,880 --> 01:22:02,080
Two things come to mind.
The 1st is Annie Hall because I

1442
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,600
think the movies are
stylistically very similar in

1443
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:09,600
the way that both movies use a
lot of tricks like they're both

1444
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,040
movies have an animated sequence
or a split screen sequence or a

1445
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,680
black and white sequence.
And both movies, you know, use

1446
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:21,080
the same sort of grand
vocabulary of cinema to to tell

1447
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,680
the tale They're they're they're
rolling with.

1448
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:28,360
But the one I'd really go with
probably Before Sunset, because

1449
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,680
so for anyone that doesn't know,
Before Sunset is the middle film

1450
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,520
of the before trilogy, but it's
the best 1.

1451
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,600
And I think it's 1 you could
watch by itself, even if you

1452
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,760
haven't seen Before Sunrise.
Before Sunset takes place nine

1453
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,520
years later and it catches up
and it's it's, it's a movie

1454
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:51,080
purely about what ifs.
And I think that 500 Days of

1455
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,640
Summer brings up a lot of ideas
of of what ifs.

1456
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:59,080
Yeah, that's a great one.
Brad, over to you, man.

1457
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:05,280
Oh man, I there's a few that are
running through my brain and

1458
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,840
Bob, I'm going to do the thing
that you hate when I do because

1459
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,400
I know the movie I'm thinking
of, but I can't think of the

1460
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,560
title of it.
I think her would be an

1461
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,320
interesting pairing.
I think Lost in translation

1462
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,320
could be an interesting pairing.
We already said La La Land, past

1463
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:24,960
lives, that like there's a lot
of great, great pairings.

1464
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:30,000
I just recently watched a
Chinese film.

1465
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:35,080
Is it the color of red?
No, it was in the mood for love.

1466
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:36,640
In the mood for love.
Thank you.

1467
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,000
I think in the mood for.
Love the color of red.

1468
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:41,160
That would have worked as a
title too.

1469
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:42,520
I.
Literally that.

1470
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,840
Like I was like, there's red
everywhere.

1471
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,840
I think I think In the Mood for
Love would be a great pairing

1472
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:53,680
that that sense of like
brokenness that slowly begins to

1473
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:58,240
permeate the two main characters
lives, the longing and desire

1474
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:02,360
that they have for a healthy
relationship, that the timings

1475
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,320
just not right.
They're not in the right place.

1476
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:08,360
Their culture doesn't
necessarily accept what might

1477
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,440
happen if they did that there's
just all sorts of stuff going

1478
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:13,000
on.
I think it'd be a great pairing

1479
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,160
with this.
Guys, I think this might be one

1480
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,200
of the best.
Let's make it a double segments

1481
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,960
we've ever done because every
single movie we've recommended I

1482
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,280
think is like a perfect pairing
with this movie.

1483
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,080
Annie Hall.
I didn't even think about that.

1484
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,560
And as soon as you said it, it
was like, oh, this movie is

1485
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:32,840
totally indebted to Annie Hall.
Brad, I will say that like I had

1486
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:37,560
two very obvious directions that
I could go, one of which is ATV

1487
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,920
show.
And it's ATV Show that started

1488
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,760
four years before this movie
came out.

1489
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,960
It's one that Daniel referenced
when we were off air.

1490
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:45,800
And I'll bring it back up.
And that's How I Met Your

1491
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:49,040
Mother, 'cause I think this,
this is like you could

1492
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,800
technically call this derivative
of How I Met Your Mother.

1493
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:57,080
Ted Mosby is an architect and
like he is a hopeless, romantic,

1494
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:01,000
lovelorn idiot that consistently
makes mistakes with women is

1495
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,960
super immature.
His friend Marshall Erickson is

1496
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:07,120
exactly like Matthew Gray
Gubler, like married young.

1497
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:09,000
Like there's there's so many
parallels.

1498
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,440
And I think that like the both
the wit of that show and the

1499
01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:16,520
sort of ridiculous cutaways of
that show are present here in in

1500
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:19,560
an almost annoying way.
Like my wife was just telling me

1501
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:21,200
last week.
I Met Your Mother used to be

1502
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,040
like one of our favorite shows
and she's very much like like, I

1503
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,640
think I've kind of outgrown it.
Now I go back and I watch it and

1504
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,320
it just doesn't have the effect
for me anymore.

1505
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:32,080
Same here.
Yeah, and I think that at its

1506
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:35,600
best moments, it still does
reach those heights for me, same

1507
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,880
to the same as this movie.
And and I think that I'll

1508
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:42,320
reflect that in my score now to
give it more of a cinematic

1509
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:43,640
thing.
I don't want to give it to ATV

1510
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,320
show.
I will say Spike Jones's movie

1511
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,560
her would be my pairing here.
And I think that like it's it's

1512
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,680
an obvious plot thing.
This is a guy that works for a

1513
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:57,960
greeting card company and uses a
girl that may or may not be real

1514
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,640
to him to build up his hopes and
dreams and keep him from

1515
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,680
interacting at a more human
level.

1516
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,760
So like there's the thematic
element there of it too.

1517
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:10,400
But like I said, I don't think
you could go wrong with any of

1518
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,240
the movies that we've suggested
today.

1519
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,920
And I think, guys, that speaks
to how good of a movie 500 Days

1520
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:21,640
of Summer really is.
Yeah, I I still, every time I've

1521
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,640
come back to this movie since
that first viewing, feel like my

1522
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,960
understanding of the film
changes, my appreciation

1523
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,480
deepens, and I just I like the
movie more and more.

1524
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:34,400
And to go back to what I said
the very start, we don't get

1525
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:39,560
many movies like this anymore.
And so I I just find myself more

1526
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:45,160
and more enjoying this film mob.
Daniel, have you seen there's a

1527
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,080
new movie that just came out a
few maybe like a month ago

1528
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,880
called Eternity?
I have not.

1529
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,400
It's in theaters where I live
right now and I haven't gotten

1530
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,280
to it yet.
It Brad and I was going to text

1531
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,800
you about this too.
If you and Haley watch a movie

1532
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,680
together anytime soon, whether
in the theater or at home.

1533
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:07,840
Eternity fits in this sub genre
of like it's romantic comedy,

1534
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:11,760
but it kind of hits on like the
about time level of like there's

1535
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,040
something really deep and
beautiful here as well.

1536
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,320
So if you're into new movies
folks, I would highly recommend

1537
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,720
checking out the movie Eternity
as a pairing with 500 Days of

1538
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,280
Summer.
But I will say I have a 11 week

1539
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,960
old child at home.
Haley and I are not going to the

1540
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,480
movies together.
Brad, congratulations.

1541
01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:30,440
I did not know that.
Oh.

1542
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,840
Thanks, man.
Yeah, another baby girl.

1543
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,840
That helps explain why you're
not setting your fantasy

1544
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,560
basketball lineup side everyday,
Yes.

1545
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:44,240
Listen, when it hits VOD, Brad,
I'm telling you, spend the 10

1546
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:46,360
bucks or whatever to watch it
because it's it's totally worth

1547
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:46,880
it.
I will.

1548
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,000
And guys, that gets us into our
final scores on this movie.

1549
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,200
I think I've talked myself back
up into a higher score than I

1550
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,960
was going to give.
There are elements of this movie

1551
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:57,680
that I do think that I've
outgrown.

1552
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:01,040
There are elements of this movie
that I don't think work and it

1553
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,200
it gets a little too silly for
me at parts still.

1554
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,920
But then the thing that I fall
back on when I know that I'm no

1555
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,960
longer the target audience for
this movie is like, do the

1556
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,320
mechanics of the machine still
work?

1557
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,680
And this movie is put together
like freaking clockwork and it

1558
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,920
works like gangbusters.
And that last 25 minutes still

1559
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,560
hits you like a sledgehammer.
And so I think I'm going to

1560
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,280
still, I was going to give it an
8 1/2.

1561
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,680
I think you guys have talked me
into coming up to a nine out of

1562
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,560
10 on this movie.
Yeah, I mean, we didn't even

1563
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:37,320
talk about the fact that Tom has
a Ferris Bueller's style, like

1564
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:41,320
dance number in the middle of
the movie, but it's for no

1565
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,840
reason other than the fact that
he and Summer had sex for the

1566
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:44,520
first time.
Yeah.

1567
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,320
It's great and it's like it's
still in my Thunder because I

1568
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:48,960
was going to talk about that
when I gave my rating.

1569
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:53,360
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, that's
just like, what a great scene to

1570
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,360
just show what it feels like to
be intimate with a woman for the

1571
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:58,680
first time.
It's just.

1572
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,160
The only thing that may have
topped it since was there is a

1573
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:03,760
movie man, I can't remember the
name of it.

1574
01:29:04,440 --> 01:29:09,880
It's a Daniel Radcliffe romantic
comedy that Adam Driver was like

1575
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,360
the costar in before he got
famous.

1576
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,200
And there's just a scene where
they're sitting in Adam Driver's

1577
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,920
apartment, and he is Adam Driver
has just finished having sex

1578
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,720
with his girlfriend and then
comes out to console Daniel

1579
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,800
Radcliffe about something.
And he just pulls a plate of

1580
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,400
nachos out of the microwave.
And he's sitting at the table

1581
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,480
and he looks at the nachos and
then just shouts to the heavens

1582
01:29:31,480 --> 01:29:34,000
he goes.
I just had sex, I'm about to

1583
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:38,680
have nachos.
Best day of my life it is.

1584
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:41,200
It's on par with that scene,
right?

1585
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:44,240
That's where I'm at with that.
2013's What If?

1586
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,040
Yes, that's the movie.
There you go.

1587
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:50,080
I know there let's make this,
but I'm I'm very curious now.

1588
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:57,760
All that to say, I really love
this movie.

1589
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,440
There's not many things that
stick out to me is wrong.

1590
01:30:00,440 --> 01:30:02,960
And Bob, I was I was coming in
thinking I was going to give

1591
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,760
this a nine.
I think I'm also going to jump

1592
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:06,960
up a half point.
I'm going to give it a nine and

1593
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,480
a half.
Wow, dude, 9 1/2.

1594
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:14,440
All right, Daniel, are you going
to be the low man here?

1595
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:16,520
I'm not.
I'm going to be the high man.

1596
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:21,400
To me, it's a 10.
This is is a perfect movie for

1597
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:24,240
what it is.
And I just want to say I mean

1598
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:29,040
Brad talked about the the the
Joseph Gordon Levitt song and

1599
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:32,000
dance scene set to Hall and
Oates.

1600
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,640
You make my dreams come true.
That might be my number one all

1601
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,840
time favorite needle drop scene
in a movie.

1602
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:44,400
It's it's incredible.
It, it is so vividly tied to a

1603
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:49,720
memory for me is, you know, in
college, there was a girl I was

1604
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,840
in love with who I've been
pursuing for a long time.

1605
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:56,520
And, you know, finally on a
Thursday night, we made out

1606
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,880
finally.
And I have a distinct memory in

1607
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:04,040
my mind of walking to class the
next, the next morning, Friday

1608
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:07,520
morning.
And every person I saw, like I'm

1609
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,560
thinking in my head, they don't
even know that I made out with

1610
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,200
Kristen last night.
Yes.

1611
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:18,280
For me, for me, it's the, it's
the seeing, seeing his

1612
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,160
reflection, and it's Hansel.
Linking dude.

1613
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,320
So that's.
How you feel?

1614
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:25,720
Yeah, that happened to me in
2005.

1615
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,640
And then Fast forward to 2009
and I'm seeing 500 Days of

1616
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:30,520
Summer in theaters and that
scene happens.

1617
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:34,480
And I just thought, fuck me,
this is this nails it.

1618
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:39,640
This is exactly what this very
male emotion feels like.

1619
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:44,160
Dude, I have a distinct memory.
Bob, I think you were with me in

1620
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:45,640
college.
I know exactly.

1621
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,800
I can't wait for you to tell the
story, Brad.

1622
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,440
So.
Bob and I were coming back.

1623
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:52,080
I don't know, it's like one or
two in the morning coming back

1624
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:55,040
from Taco Bell or something.
And we're about to pull into our

1625
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:59,440
parking lot and I see my
roommate Chris walking back to

1626
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:02,720
the dorm.
And Chris is like a notorious,

1627
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:06,680
all four years of college would
go to bed by 10:00 PM like seven

1628
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,680
days a week kind of guy.
So I saw him walking.

1629
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:09,800
I'm like, I rolled my window
down.

1630
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:12,600
I'm like, Chris, what you, what
you doing there, buddy?

1631
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,960
You know, I'm just, you know,
coming back from from studying.

1632
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,760
But he just had this giant smile
on his face like, I'm just

1633
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,640
coming back from studying.
And I was like, Chris, did you

1634
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:24,640
just make out with a girl?
And he goes.

1635
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,160
Yeah, I did.
I was like, dude, we're going to

1636
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:30,840
get milkshakes.
You just have this face like you

1637
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:34,640
just want to high 5 people.
And Daniel, I'm telling you the,

1638
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,720
the way this actually happened
in reality was we, we came to

1639
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:42,320
find out Chris had been crushing
on this girl for months and, and

1640
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,960
was very slow to, to make a
move.

1641
01:32:45,480 --> 01:32:48,600
And so we encountered him.
We pulled into our our parking

1642
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:51,440
lot of the dorm and it's right
next to a series of basketball

1643
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:56,000
courts and everything is, I'm,
I'm telling you, covered in fog.

1644
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:01,560
And from the fog, in the most
cinematic, backlit, silhouetted

1645
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:05,920
way possible, we see Chris just
walking with a different gait.

1646
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:09,720
So like, like you could have
dropped in like George

1647
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:13,320
Thorogood's bad to the bone as
this man, he was a different man

1648
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:16,400
emerging from the fog.
And it was like, we just

1649
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,680
witnessed this dude become a
man.

1650
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,160
It was a different said.
It was incredible.

1651
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:24,080
Reach out and ask if he has seen
this movie and specifically that

1652
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:28,320
scene and see how well it, yeah,
you know, lines up.

1653
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:29,920
Approximate.
Emotional memory.

1654
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,920
Oh my goodness.
Alright so I think guys in

1655
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:37,800
summary, having sex is great
right?

1656
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:39,440
Also.
Daniel.

1657
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:42,120
Gives nachos.
Fantastic.

1658
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:44,000
Daniel gives this a 10 out of
10.

1659
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,600
Brad gives it a 9.5, I give it a
nine.

1660
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:50,040
And that means this is a movie
that you need to see if you have

1661
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:53,800
not seen 500 Days of Summer.
It truly is one of the last

1662
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,160
great romantic comedies that
we've gotten in a long, long

1663
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:59,240
time.
I wish we got more of these.

1664
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:03,560
There have been a few since
2009, but there are few and far

1665
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,960
between.
And about watching it again.

1666
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:10,000
Reminds me of like why I miss
these movies so much, Brad.

1667
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:11,440
And Bob, I have a question for
you.

1668
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:18,720
Yeah, How long is this movie?
Brad, it is as close to being a

1669
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:22,440
90 minute movie as you can get.
It's what SNL refers to as a

1670
01:34:22,440 --> 01:34:25,680
short ass movie.
Yes, I love it.

1671
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,200
All right, Daniel Zweio, thank
you so much for joining us

1672
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:31,960
today.
Tell us where folks can find you

1673
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:33,240
and what you're currently
working on.

1674
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:39,760
I'm on Blue Sky at at Third Man
Movies and not working on much,

1675
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:43,680
although I do have a a a part in
an upcoming Roger Ebert piece

1676
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:47,600
about the best craft elements of
film of the year.

1677
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:51,040
I I wrote about one of my
favorite screenplays of the

1678
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,400
year, and it is not going to be
what you'd predict.

1679
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:57,680
How awesome.
Speaking of which, Brad Roger

1680
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:00,320
Ebert gave this movie 4 out of
four stars.

1681
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:02,960
Because Roger Ebert knows what's
up.

1682
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:06,880
Did you did you read his review?
Yeah, it was fantastic.

1683
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:11,120
The very final line was like,
hey, F the parentheses.

1684
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:12,840
And then like, there's nothing
after that.

1685
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,960
It's just like I refuse to use
the parentheses in the title of.

1686
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,920
This movie and everybody else
also doesn't, Yeah.

1687
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:23,320
Same.
All right, guys, that does it

1688
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:25,120
for us today.
Thank you again to our guest,

1689
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,120
Daniels.
YO, if you want to reach out to

1690
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,200
us and let us know what you
think of 500 Days of Summer, you

1691
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:33,480
can find us on any of our social
media platforms, Facebook,

1692
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:37,880
Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok or
YouTube at Film Whiskey.

1693
01:35:38,440 --> 01:35:41,520
Or if you want to get join the
conversation, we are on Discord.

1694
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,760
We have our own server.
We have conversations about

1695
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:46,760
life, movies, whiskey, trucking,
all sorts of stuff.

1696
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:49,280
Jump on there.
You can find a link to our

1697
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,520
Discord at the end of every
single one of our show notes.

1698
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,480
We will be back next week going
through another one of our

1699
01:35:55,480 --> 01:35:59,720
Season 1 masterpieces, but until
then, I'm Bob Book.

1700
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:02,200
I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.