Oct. 26, 2025
"The Amityville Horror Wars: America's Most Haunted Lie"
November 1974: Six members of the DeFeo family are murdered at 112 Ocean Avenue. A year later, the Lutz family flees after 28 days, claiming demonic possession. What follows is a four-way war over who owns America's most famous ghost story. From the lawyer who claims they invented it over wine, to the homeowners who sued for destroying their property values, to the Warrens who built careers validating the haunting, Marcus Reid uncovers the bitter feuds behind the bestseller and blockbuster.Featuring leaked collaboration sessions, explosive lawsuits, and the question that's generated millions in profits: was the Amityville Horror real, or America's most lucrative lie? Six people died. Everyone else got rich fighting over their ghosts.
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Calaruga Shark Media, September seventeenth, nineteen seventy nine. A Manhattan
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law office. George and Kathy Lutz sit across from their attorney,
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staring at a man they once called friend. William Webber,
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lawyer for Ronald Difio Junior, the man who murdered six
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family members at one hundred twelve Ocean Avenue, is explaining
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how they created America's most famous ghost story. We made
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it all up, Weber says, almost gleefully, over many bottles
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of wine. You wanted money, I wanted a new trial
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for my client. We created a fiction that got out
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of hand. George Lutz's face turns purple. You son of
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a bitch. We lived through hell in that house. My
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family was terror and you're calling us liars. I'm calling
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you co conspirators, Weber replies, until you got greedy. Three
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thousand miles away in Connecticut, Ed and Lorraine Warren are
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preparing their own version of events for yet another lecture.
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In their telling, they're the heroes who validated the Lutz's experience,
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who proved the demonic presence. They don't mention the book deals,
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the movie rights, the decades of profit they'll make from
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twenty eight days of horror that may or may not
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have happened. Welcome back to feuds, power, pride, and payback.
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I'm Marcus Reid. Some feuds are about truth, others are
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about lies. But the bloodiest feuds are about the gray
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area in between, where truth and lies become so tangled
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that everyone involved believes their own version of events and
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millions of dollars hang in the balance. This is the
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story of one hundred twelve Ocean Avenue, the house where
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six members of the de Fao family were murdered in
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nineteen seventy four. It's about George and Kathy Lutz, who
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fled after twenty eight days, claiming demonic possession. It's about
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the lawyers, psychics, and journalists who either exploited their trauma
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or exposed their lies, depending on who you believe. Most
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of all, it's about how America's most famous haunted house
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became the center of a four way war over who
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owns the right to profit from horror, real or imagined.
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This is episode thirty five the Amityville Horror Wars, America's
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most Haunted Lie. Act one, Blood bargains and moving vans
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to understand how a house on Long Island became a
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battlefield for truth, lies, and movie rights, you have to
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start with the very real murders that everyone agrees actually happened.
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On November thirteenth, nineteen seventy four, twenty three year old
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Ronald di Feo Junior shot his parents and four siblings
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while they slept in their beds at one hundred twelve
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Ocean Avenue in Amityville, New York. The crime shocked the
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wealthy suburb. Six members of a seemingly normal family executed
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in their beds. The killer initially trying to blame a
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mob hit before confessing. D Fayo's story kept changing. First
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he acted alone, then his sister Dawn was involved, then
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demonic voices commanded him. His lawyer, William Webber, young and ambitious,
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saw opportunity in the supernatural angle. An insanity defense based
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on possession was a long shot, but it might save
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his client from life in prison. It didn't work. De
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Fayo was convicted on six counts of murder and sentenced
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to life, but Weber didn't give up on the supernatural angle.
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He just needed the right partners entered George and Kathy Lutz.
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George was a surveyor, Kathy, a housewife with three children
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from a previous marriage. They were stretching financially to afford
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the Dutch colonial at one hundred twelve Ocean Avenue, reduced
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from ninety thousand dollars to eighty thousand dollars because of
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the murders, but it was their dream home four thousand
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square feet, a pool, a boat house, waterfront property. They
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moved in on December eighteenth, nineteen seventy five, had the
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house blessed by a priest, and tried to start their
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new life. Twenty eight days later, they fled in terror,
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leaving all their possessions behind. What happened in those twenty
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eight days became the subject of books, movies, lawsuits, and
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decades of bitter feuding. According to the Lutz they experienced
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mysterious cold spots and foul odors, swarms of flies in winter,
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crucifixes turning upside down, George's personality changing, becoming obsessed with
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chopping wood, Kathy having nightmares about the murders, their daughter
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befriending an imaginary pig named Jodie, mysterious injuries and illnesses,
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a priest being sickened while blessing the house. On January fifteenth,
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nineteen seventy six, they fled to Cathy's mother's house. Within weeks,
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they were meeting with William Webber, the defio lawyer who
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had his own ideas about supernatural forces in the house,
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Act two, The Unholy Alliance. The meeting between the Lutzes
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and Weber should have been a simple exchange of information.
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Weber wanted to know if they'd experienced anything that might
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support his client's demon defense for appeal. The Lutzes wanted
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to understand what happened in their house. What actually occurred
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became the center of their first feud. According to Weber,
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they spent hours drinking wine and collaborating on an elaborate hoax.
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According to the Lutzes, Weber tried to exploit their genuine
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trauma for his client's benefit. Everyone agrees on one thing.
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The paranormal investigators got involved way too fast. Within weeks
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of fleeing, the Lutzes had contacted Ed and Lorraine Warren,
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the self proclaimed demonologists who'd built careers investigating haunted houses.
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The Warrens arrived with a media crew, including a news
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reporter and camera crew. From Channel five in New York.
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The seance they conducted on March sixth, nineteen seventy six,
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became legendary. Lorraine claimed to sense a demonic presence. Ed
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captured mysterious photos. The news crew got dramatic footage. Everyone
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got what they needed for their respective angles. But George
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Lutz was already thinking bigger. He'd connected with author Jay Anson,
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who was interested in writing a book about their experiences.
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The rush to capitalize on their story created the first
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major rift. Weber felt cut out. He'd introduced them to
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the supernatural angle. Shared crime scene details helped craft the narrative.
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Now the Lutzes were making book deals without him. When
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he suggested a three way split on any profits, George
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Lutz reportedly told him to go to hell. That's when
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I realized they were con artists. Weber later said. They
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took my creative contribution and ran with it. The Lutzes
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saw it differently. Their experience was real, their trauma genuine.
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Veber was a vulture trying to profit from their suffering
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after his client murdered six people in what was now
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their home. By the time Jay Anson's The Amityville Horror
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was published in September nineteen seventy seven, the battle lines
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were drawn. The book was marketed as a true story
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and became a massive bestseller. Weber watched his fictional creation,
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as he claimed, make millions for everyone but him. His
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revenge would be swift and brutal. Lawsuits and revelations. William
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Weber's counterattack began in the courts and the media. Simultaneously,
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he filed a two million dollar lawsuit against the Lutzes
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and author Jay Anson for breach of contract, claiming they'd
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stolen his created story. More devastatingly, he went to the
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press with his version of events. We created this horror
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story over many bottles of wine, Weber told people. Maggie
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in nineteen seventy nine. George was a con artist. He'd
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been drummed out of his surveying business for dubious behavior.
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He needed money. I needed a new angle for Rende
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Fayo's appeal. It was a perfect match until they got greedy.
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Weber provided specific details about their collaboration, how they'd researched
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other haunted house stories, how George had practiced his possession behavior,
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how they'd choreographed which family member would experience, what phenomena.
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He even claimed to have notes from their wine soaked
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plotting sessions. The Lutzes fought back viciously. They sued Veber
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for invasion of privacy and defamation. George went on television,
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calling Veber a sick individual who was exploiting the d
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Fayo murders. Cathy broke down in interviews, swearing on her
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children's lives that every word was true, but Veber had
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opened floodgates that couldn't be closed. Other investors, gators began
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poking holes in the Lutz story. The priest who allegedly
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got sick blessing the house said he'd never entered it,
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only blessed it over the phone. Police reports showed no
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evidence of damage the Lutzes claimed. Neighbors reported seeing the
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Lutzes moving items out gradually, not fleeing in terror. The
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mysterious red room in the basement was actually a closet
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for the pool equipment. The most damaging revelation came from
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James Cromarty, who'd bought the house after the Lutzes fled.
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He sued them for one point one million dollars, claiming
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their horror stories had destroyed his property. Value and subjected
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his family to harassment from curiosity seekers. Nothing has ever
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happened in this house, Cromarty said, except we can't live
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in peace because of their lies. The Lutzes were now
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fighting a multi front war, Weber claiming they stole his fiction,
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Cromarty claiming they created a fiction that ruined his life,
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and increasing media skepticism about their story. Meanwhile, Ed and
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Lorraine Warren were carefully distancing themselves from the controversy while
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continuing to profit from it. They maintained the house was
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genuinely haunted, that the Lutz's experiences were real, but avoided
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taking sides in the legal battles. They had their own
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lecture circuit and book deals to protect. Act four Hollywood
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Horror and Perpetual War. In nineteen seventy nine, the Amityville
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Horror movie premiered, starring James Brolin and Margo Kidder. It
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earned over eighty million dollars at the box office, spawning
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a franchise that continues to this day. The Lutzes, who'd
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sold their rights for a reported three hundred thousand dollars,
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watched others get rich off their stone True or false.
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The movie's success intensified every feud, Weber increased his demands,
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claiming the film was based on his creative work. Cromarty
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added the film studio to his lawsuit. New owners of
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the house found themselves under siege from tourists and ghost hunters.
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Everyone who'd ever touched the story felt entitled to a
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piece of the prophet. But the most bitter feud was
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between the Lutzes and the Warrens. As the paranormal investigators
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became celebrities, partly thanks to Amityville, George Lutz grew resentful.
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He felt they'd exploited his family's trauma, used their case
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to build careers while contributing nothing but validation. In later interviews,
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George accused the Warrens of being frauds who fed off
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other people's misery. He claimed they'd staged evidence during their investigation,
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brought media without permission, and cared more about publicity than
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helping his family. Lorraine Warren fired back in her gentle
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way that cut deeper than screaming. George Lutz was a
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troubled man who couldn't accept that some people genuinely wanted
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to help. We never took a penny from them. We
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can't say the same about their book and movie deals.
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By the nineteen eighties, the Lutz's marriage had crumbled under
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the pressure. They divorced in nineteen eighty, with Cathy later
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saying the stress of defending their story while being called
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liars destroyed them. George remarried and spent his remaining years
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giving interviews insisting every word was true, even as more
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evidence mounted against their claims. William Webber eventually dropped his lawsuits,
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but never stopped claiming credit for creating the story. In
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his final interviews before his death, he seemed almost proud
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of the hoax. I created one of the most successful
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horror franchises in history. Over Wine, not bad for a
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knight's work. James Cromarty and subsequent owners continued dealing with trespassers,
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ghost hunters, and harassment. They sued various parties over the years,
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winning some settlements but never regaining their privacy. The house's
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address was eventually changed to discourage tourists, but everyone still
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knows where it is epilogue, The House that Greed built.
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George Lutz died in two thousand and six, Kathy in
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two thousand and four. Both went to their graves, insisting
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their story was true. William Webber died in twenty twenty,
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maintaining to the end that it was fiction. He helped create.
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The Warrens. Ed died in two thousand and six. Lorraine
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in twenty nineteen, never wavered from their position that the
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house was haunted. Though they grew wealthy from Amityville and
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subsequent cases. The current owners of one hundred twelve Ocean
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Avenue report no paranormal activity. They live quietly in what is,
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by all accounts, a normal house where something terrible once happened.
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The only spirits haunting it now are tourists with cameras
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and entrepreneurs with new ways to monetize the story. As
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of twenty twenty five, there have been over thirty films
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in the Amityville franchise. Each one generates lawsuits from someone
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claiming ownership of the true story. The De Fio Murders,
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six real people killed in their beds, have become a
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footnote to the industry built on top of their graves.
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The Amityville horror Wars reveal an uncomfortable truth In America,
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even our ghosts are commodities. Whether the LUTs is experienced
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genuine phenomena or created elaborate fiction. Everyone involved immediately thought
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about profit book deals, movie rights, lecture circuits. The business
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of fear was too lucrative to let truth get in
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the way. Maybe that's the real horror of Amityville, not
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the disputed demons or questionable haunting. But how quickly tragedy
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becomes commerce, how easily trauma becomes entertainment, how efficiently America
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turns blood into box office. The Lutz is either lived
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through twenty eight days of terror or created one of
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history's great hoaxes. Weber either exposed a fraud or tried
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to steal credit for others' experiences. The Warren's either validated
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truth or enabled lies. Subsequent owners either suffered from the
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Lutz's deception or tried to silence legitimate experiences. Everyone in
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this story believes they're the victim and everyone else is
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the villain. They're all right, they're all wrong, And somewhere
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in that house on Ocean Avenue, six members of the
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di Fayo family remain truly dead, while the living fight
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over who owns their ghost story. Some feuds end with
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truth prevailing, others end with lies exposed. The Amityville Feuds
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achieved neither, creating instead a perpetual motion machine of claims
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and counter claims, lawsuits and settlements, sequels and reboots. The
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only winner is the story itself, which grows more powerful
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with each telling, true or false, because in the end,
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America doesn't really care if the Amityville horror was real.
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We just care that it's profitable, and that might be
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the scariest truth of all. I'm Marcus Reid. Thanks for
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listening to Feuds, Power, Pride, and payback. Join our Feuds
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community on Facebook and Instagram, where thousands are still debating
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whether the Lutzes were victims or con artists. Search Feuds
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podcast or click the link in the show notes. Next week,
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we're finally diving into the Murdoch succession battle, where the
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stakes aren't supernatural, but the family curse is very real.
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Until then, remember, in America, even our hauntings come with
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