Aug. 31, 2025

"SNL's 2025 Cast Massacre Echoes the Night Chevy Chase and Bill Murray Nearly Killed Each Other"

"SNL's 2025 Cast Massacre Echoes the Night Chevy Chase and Bill Murray Nearly Killed Each Other"

As Saturday Night Live fires half its cast in 2025's shocking "creative restructuring," we reveal the violent origin story of SNL's toxic culture: February 18, 1978, when Chevy Chase and Bill Murray's backstage fistfight left blood on Studio 8H's floor. From "Medium talent!" to thrown punches minutes before airtime, from John Belushi's cocaine-fueled attempts to break it up to Gilda Radner's tears, this is the fight that established SNL's brutal survival-of-the-cruelest mentality. Marcus Reid connects the dots from that legendary brawl to today's cast bloodbath, exposing how Lorne Michaels has fostered five decades of competition and cruelty. Featuring the bitter aftermath—Chase's Hollywood exile, Murray inheriting his enemy's worst traits, and why every SNL generation cannibalizes itself. As 2025's fired cast members pack their dressing rooms, we reveal why the ghost of Chase-Murray still haunts 30 Rock, proving that at Saturday Night Live, the real comedy is how much the comedians hate each other.

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Calaruga, Shark Media, February eighteenth, nineteen seventy eight, Studio eight

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h at thirty Rockefeller Plaza. Saturday Night Live goes on

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the air in less than twenty minutes. In John Belushi's

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dressing room, two of comedy's biggest stars are trying to

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murder each other. Medium talent Bill Murray screams as he

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launches himself at Chevy Chase, whose return to host the

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show he abandoned seventeen months earlier for Hollywood millions, Go

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fuck your wife. Chevy spits back, knowing Bill's marriage is collapsing.

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Knowing exactly where to twist the knife, they crash into walls,

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trading haymakers while cast members scatter. Lorraine Newman screams. Gildeadne

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pleads for them to stop. John Belushi, coked out of

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his mind, tries to pull them apart, but mostly just

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adds to the chaos. Blood drips onto the floor where

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in minutes comedy is supposed to happen. This is Saturday

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Night Live in the nineteen seventies. We're the only thing

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more violent than the comedy is the comedians. Welcome back

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to feuds, power, pride, and payback. I'm Marcus Reid. Some

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feud simmer for years before exploding. The Chevy Chase Bill

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Murray war detonated in less than two years, fueled by cocaine,

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ego and the pressure cooker environment of live television. But

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this wasn't just about two comedians who hated each other.

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This was about what happens when you put damaged, brilliant,

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competitive people in an environment designed to break them, and

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then broadcast the results to America every Saturday Night. As

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SNL fires half its cast in twenty twenty five citing

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creative differences and new directions, we look back at the

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night in nineteen seventy eight when the show's toxic culture

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literally came to blows, and why nothing has really changed

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in fifty years of Live from New York. This is

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Episode twenty eight, Live from New York. It's a fistfight,

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Act one. The Bastard Prince returns. To understand why Bill

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Murray wanted to kill Chevy Chase, you first need to

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understand the hierarchy of Early Saturday Night Live. When the

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show premiered on October eleventh, nineteen seventy five, it wasn't

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called SNL. It was NBC's Saturday Night, and nobody expected

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it to survive. Lorne Michaels had assembled a cast of

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unknowns and misfits. John Belushi from Second City, dan Ackroyd

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from Canadian television, Gilda Radner from Toronto, Jane Curtin from

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Boston improv Lorraine Newman from The Groundlings, and Garrett Morris,

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a playwright who could sing. They called themselves the Not

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Ready for prime Time Players, and the name was more

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honest than joke. But there was one cast member who

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stood apart from the beginning. Cornelius Crane Chase, better known

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as Chevy, the handsome wasp from a prominent New York

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family who had somehow wandered into comedy. While the others

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were theater kids and improv nerds, Chevy looked like he'd

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stepped out of a country club. He was tall, conventionally attractive,

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and had what network executives loved crossover appeal. Michaels, himself,

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desperate to succeed in American television, made a fateful decision.

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While the rest of the cast were featured players, Chevy

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alone was allowed to say the words that would become

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the show's signature live from New York It's Saturday Night.

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He anchored Weekend Update, the segment that most resembled traditional television.

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He was given the best writers, the most screen time,

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the clearest path to stardom. The rest of the cast noticed,

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how could they not. While they were playing bees and coneheads,

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Chevy was playing himself, the smart, sardonic anchor who seemed

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above it all. He won an Emmy in the show's

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first season. Critics called him the breakout star. Movie offers

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poured in. Chevy had this attitude, like he was slumming.

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Dan Aykroyd later recalled like he was better than the show,

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better than us, and the thing that really hurt. Lauren

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agreed with him. The resentment might have stayed manageable if

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Chevy had been a team player, but he wasn't. He

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was cruel in the specific way that only someone raised

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with privilege can be. Casual, cutting convinced his humor excused

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his viciousness. He'd make fun of Gilda's eating habits mock

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Garrett struggled to find his place as the cast's only

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black member. Needle Belushi about his weight and drug use,

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But Chevy could also be charming when it served him.

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He understood power, how to cultivate it and wield it.

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He became Lorne's favorite, the one who got invited to

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the parties with network executives, the one who was clearly

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being groomed for bigger things. Then, in the summer of

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nineteen seventy six, Chevy Chase did the unthinkable. He quit.

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The official reason was Hollywood, he'd been offered three movies

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and a development deal. The real reason was he'd never

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seen SNL as anything more than a stepping stone. While

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the others were building something together, Chevy was building his resume.

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It felt like betrayal, Lorraine Newman said years later. We

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were this family, this unit that had fought to make

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this weird show work, and he just left like we

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meant nothing. The cast was hurt. Lorne was devastated his

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golden boy had abandoned him. But there was also opportunity.

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With Chevy gone, someone else could anchor update, get the

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spotlight become the star enter Bill Murray. Murray joined the

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cast in January nineteen seventy seven, midway through season two.

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He was Belushi's friend from Second City, brought in specifically

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to replace Chevy, but from day one it was clear

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He was Nobody's replacement. Where Chevy was smooth, Bill was

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sardonic where Chevy was handsome. Bill had a face made

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for character work. Where Chevy played himself. Bill disappeared into characters.

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The audience didn't warm to him immediately. For months, he

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lived in Chevy's shadow, compared constantly to his predecessor. The

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pressure was enormous. The cast, still wounded by Chevy's departure,

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wasn't particularly welcoming. Murray responded the way he always did

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by becoming more aggressive, more sarcastic, more Bill Murray. By

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early nineteen seventy eight, Murray had found his voice on

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the show. His lounge singer character was killing his weakend.

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Update segments had their own rhythm, different from Chevy's, but

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equally effective. He was becoming a star in his own right,

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which is exactly when Chevy Chase decided to come back

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Act two Medium Talent. The announcement that Chevy would host

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the February eighteenth, nineteen seven episode of SNL sent shock

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waves through Studio eight h. It had been less than

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two years since he'd left. His first movie, foul Play

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with Goldie Hawn hadn't even been released yet. This wasn't

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a triumphant return. This was Chevy reminding everyone who the

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real star was. The week leading up to the show

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was tense. Chevy strutted back into the studio like he

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owned it, which in his mind he did. He'd created

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Weekend Update, he'd made the show a hit. These were

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his cast mates, his writers, his show. The fact that

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they'd continued without him seemed to genuinely surprise him. Bill

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Murray watched it all with growing rage. For over a year,

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he'd been living in Chevy's shadow, constantly compared to him,

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constantly reminded he was a replacement. Now Chevy was back,

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treating everyone like supporting players in his comeback special. The

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rehearsals were disasters. Chevy kept trying to change sketches to

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center them around himself. He made casual, cruel comments the

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same way he always had, but now they landed differently.

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He wasn't a cast mate anymore. He was a guest,

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a visitor from Hollywood, slumming in television. He had this attitude.

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Writer Tom Davis remembered, like he was doing us a

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favor by coming back, Like we should be grateful that

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movie star Chevy Chase would grace us with his presence.

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The tension built throughout the week. Murray and Chase barely spoke,

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communicating through writers and other cast members. When they did interact,

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it was icy, professional, barely contained hostility. Then came Saturday night.

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The exact sequence of events has been disputed for decades,

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but the basic facts are clear. About an hour before showtime,

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Chevy was walking past Belushi's dressing room. Murray was inside

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with Belushi and several others. Words were exchanged through the

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open door. What happened next depends on who's telling the story,

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but the most consistent version goes like this. Chevy made

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a comment about Murray's face, something about his acne scars.

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Murray shot back about Chevy's failing marriage to Jacqueline Carlin.

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Chevy stung went for the jugular go fuck your wife.

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It was perfectly aimed cruelty. Murray's marriage to Mickey Kelly

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was falling apart, destroyed by the same pressures that would

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claim so many SNL relationships. The hours, the drugs, the

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constant proximity to temptation. Chevy knew it and he used it.

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Murray exploded out of the dressing room, medium talent he

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screamed as he launched himself at Chase. It was Murray's

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go to insult the thing, he said to anyone he

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wanted to destroy, But with Chevy it had special meaning.

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Despite all his success, Chevy knew there was truth in it.

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He was handsome and he was lucky. But was he

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actually funny? The doubt haunted him. They crashed into the wall,

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then the floor, trading punches while cast members scrambled to

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separate them. Belushi, high on cocaine, tried to intervene, but

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mostly just added chaos. Lorraine Newman screamed for help. Gilda

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Radner begged them to stop, tears in her eyes. It

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was terrifying. Jane Curtin later said these weren't stage punches.

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They were trying to hurt each other. The fight lasted

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maybe two minutes, but felt like forever. Finally, Belushi and

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Akroyd managed to pull them apart. Both men were bleeding,

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Chevy from a cut above his eye, Murray from a

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split lip. Their clothes were torn. They stood there, panting,

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held back by cast mates, still trying to get at

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each other. NBC pages were running around like chickens with

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their heads cut off. Writer Alan Sweibel remembered, the show

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was going on in forty five minutes, and our host

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and our main cast member had just tried to kill

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each other. Lorne Michaels. Ever, the producer, made an executive decision.

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The show must go on. Makeup would cover the wounds,

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they would perform their sketches, they would be professional, and

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then Chevy would leave and never come back. Except that's

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not what happened, because in the world of Saturday Night Live,

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even attempted murder wasn't enough to keep you away from

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the cameras. Act three, the poison spreads. The show that

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night was electric in all the wrong ways. Anyone watching

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closely could see something was off. Chevy's makeup couldn't quite

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hide the swelling above his eye. Murray delivered his lines

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with an edge that went beyond comedy. The cast seemed fragmented, uncertain,

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like they were navigating a minefield. But to most of America,

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it was just another episode of Saturday Night Live. The

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sketches played, the audience laughed, and when Chevy said his

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good nights, he was surrounded by the cast as if

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they were one big, happy family. The hypocrisy of it,

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smiling and waving while still tasting blood was pure show business.

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Behind the scenes, the fight had changed everything. The cast

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split into factions. Some sided with Murray, seeing him as

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defending the show's honor against a deserter. Others thought he'd

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gone too far, that violence had no place in their

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comedy family. A few, like Gilda, tried to stay neutral,

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but found it impossible in such a poisoned atmosphere. Chevy

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left immediately after the show, but the damage was done.

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The fight had exposed something ugly at the heart of

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SNL the competition, the cruelty, the way Lorn pitted performers

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against each other for his approval and screen time. It

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wasn't a comedy troupe. It was a gladiator arena where

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only the vicious survived. After that night, everything was different.

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Lorrain Newman reflected, The innocence was gone. We realized we

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weren't this happy family making comedy together. We were competitors,

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and some of us were enemies. The toxicity spread like cancer.

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Belushi's drug use, already problematic, spiraled completely out of control.

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He saw the show as a war zone now, and

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he armed himself accordingly with cocaine and heroine. Dana Kroyd

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threw himself into writing, creating elaborate sketches that kept him

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away from the interpersonal drama. Gilda developed eating disorders, trying

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to control something in an environment where everything felt chaotic.

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Jane Curtin, perhaps the most professional of them all, later

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revealed how miserable she was. There were a few people

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on the show who just didn't like women, and they

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made it very difficult for us. They treated us like

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we were there to serve them, not as equals in comedy.

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Chevy's periodic returns to host became events fraught with tension.

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He came back in nineteen eighty, nineteen eighty two, nineteen

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eighty five, each time reopening old wounds. Murray would make

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himself scarce during those weeks, finding excuses to be elsewhere.

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When they did cross paths, the hostility was palpable. The

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original caste began fleeing like rats from a sinking ship.

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Chevy had shown them the way out, toward movies, toward money,

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toward careers that didn't require weekly combat. Belushi left in

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nineteen seventy nine, Acroyd and Curtain in nineteen eighty. By

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nineteen eighty one, the entire original cast was gone, except

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for Eddie Murphy, who joined in nineteen eighty and represented

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a new generation, but the culture of competition and cruelty remained.

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Lorne Michaels, who left the show in nineteen eighty and

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returned in nineteen eighty five, never changed his fundamental approach.

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He still pitted cast members against each other. He still

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played favorites. He still created an environment where conflict was

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not just tolerated, but encouraged. Lorne likes tension. Former cast

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member j Moore wrote, he thinks it creates better comedy.

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Maybe it does, but it also creates broken people. Act

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for fifty years of grudges, the Chevy Chase Bill Murray

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feud never ended. It just evolved, adapted, and spread its

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poison through decades of comedy. Their next major encounter came

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on the set of Caddyshack in nineteen seventy nine. Director

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Harold Ramis specifically kept them apart during filming, scheduling their

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scenes on different days, but tension crackled whenever they were

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both on set. Their climactic scene together, where Murray's Carl

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Spackler caddies for Chase's tie web, had to be largely

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improvised because they couldn't stand rehearsing together. It was like

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having two alphas who wanted to kill each other. Ramus said,

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you could use that energy, but you had to be careful.

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It didn't explode. Throughout the nineteen eighties and nineties, they

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took shots at each other in interviews. Murray would mock

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Chevy's failed talk show, his string of bad movies, his

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reputation as impossible to work with. Chevy would dismiss Murray

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as a bitter also ran who got lucky with Ghostbusters.

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When Chevy hosted SNL for the eighth time in nineteen

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ninety seven, cast member Norm MacDonald introduced him by saying,

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the bad news as he's a complete asshole. The good

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news is he knows it. It was supposed to be

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a joke, but everyone knew it was true. Their feud

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became comedy legend, inspiring countless imitators. The culture of SNL,

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competitive cruel, brilliantly creative, produced similar battles. Eddie Murphy versus

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David Spade over a joke about Murphy's career, Tracy Morgan

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versus as Jimmy Fallon over screen time, Pete Davidson versus

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well everyone. Each generation of cast members heard the stories

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of the Chase Murray fight and understood, this is what

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SNL is, this is what's expected. Fight for your airtime,

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destroy your competition, make Lorne love you more than them.

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Even attempts at reconciliation failed. In two thousand and eight,

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at a benefit for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, Murray and

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Chase ended up backstage together. Witnesses say Murray immediately started

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needling Chase about his career, his marriages, his reputation. Chase

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tried to laugh it off, but the hurt was visible.

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They were two men in their sixties, still fighting a

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war that began in their thirties. It's like their Frozen

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and Amber. One comedy writer observed, still the same guys

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who tried to kill each other in nineteen seventy eight,

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still carrying the same grudges, still unable to let it go.

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The culture they helped create at SNL metastasized throughout comedy.

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The Upright Citizens Brigade, founded by SNL writers and performers,

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became known for its competitive atmosphere. The Comedy Store in

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Los Angeles had its own feuds and factions. The idea

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that comedians had to be cruel to be funny, competitive

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to succeed became gospel, which brings us to twenty twenty

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five and the news that SNL is firing half its

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cast in what insiders call a bloodbath. The official reason

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is creative restructuring, but sources inside thirty Rock tell a

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familiar story, cast members who don't get along, competition for

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airtime becoming toxic. Lorne Michaels once again clearing house when

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the dysfunction becomes too obvious. Nothing's changed, a current tells me,

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on condition of anonymity. It's still the same show where

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they throw you in the deep end and watch you drown.

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The same show where they encourage conflict because they think

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it makes better comedy. The same show where medium talents

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can become huge stars if they're willing to be cruel enough. Epilogue,

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Live from New York, It's Still Broken. Forty seven years

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after Bill Murray tried to beat Chevy Chase to death

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in John Belushi's dressing room, Saturday Night Live remains American

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comedy's most prestigious and poisonous institution. It launches careers and

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destroys souls with equal efficiency. It creates stars and teaches

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them that stardom requires stepping on the faces of their friends.

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Chevy Chase is now eighty one, living in suburban New York,

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largely estranged from the comedy community he helped create. His

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reputation as the Asshole's Asshole has calcified into fact. Younger

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comedians know him only as the cautionary tale, the man

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so difficult that community wrote his bad behavior into the show.

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He occasionally gives interviews where he seems bewildered by his

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pariah status, unable to understand why his cruelty wasn't forgiven.

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As comic genius Bill Murray seventy four became everything Chevy

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wanted to be, beloved, respected, an icon whose difficult reputation

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is excused as artistic temperament, but he's also isolated, estranged

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from many collaborators, known for behavior that would be called

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abusive if he wasn't Bill Murray. The fighter won the fight,

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but inherited his enemy's worst qualities. The fight they had

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in nineteen seventy eight wasn't really about them. It was

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about what happens when damaged people are put in a

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pressure cooker and told that Paine creates art. It was

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about a system that rewards cruelty and calls it comedy.

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It was about Lorne Michael's creating a thunderdome and calling

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it a variety show. As I write this, the twenty

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twenty five cast purge at SNL continues. Young comedians who

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dreamed of Studio eight h are being told their dreams

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are over. Others are being elevated, promised stardom if they

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can survive the gauntlet. The cycle continues, as it has

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for fifty years. Some say comedy comes from pain. Saturday

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Night Live proves that sometimes comedy just creates more pain.

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The show that gave us Belushi and Radner, Murphy and

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Rock Faye and Polar also gave us addictions and eating disorders,

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broken marriages and bitter feuds, and a culture where success

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requires a willingness to destroy your colleagues. The ghost of

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that nineteen seventy eight fight haunts every Saturday night. When

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the cast gathers for good Nights, waving and smiling, you

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can almost see it. The forced unity, the hidden resentments,

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the knowledge that next week someone might try to take

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your spot. Live from New York, where it's always Saturday

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Night and the fights never really end. Chevy Chase and

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Bill Murray drew blood in Belushi's dressing room, but they

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were just the first casualties in a war that's claimed

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generations of comedians. The only winner the show itself, which

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feeds on conflict like a vampire, staying young while its

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cast members age into bitterness and regret. Some feuds end

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with reconciliation, others end with exhaustion. The SNL feud never ends.

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It just finds new combati us, new casualties, new ways

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to prove that comedy is the cruelest art form of all.

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I'm Marcus Reid. Thanks for listening to Feuds, Power, pride,

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Because every great story needs people to tell it to

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until next time. Remember, in comedy, as in life, the

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only thing worse than bombing is succeeding at someone else's

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expense