July 21, 2020
Berhana: Fresh Find
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Broken Record is bringing you a Fresh Find this week. We discovered Berhana after a key placement in Donald Glover’s show Atlanta. In this episode, Berhana talks about growing up in the real Atlanta, being first generation American born to Ethiopian parents, recording his newest album in Tokyo and how he started earning enough on music to make a living before he ever played a show.
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Speaker 1: Pushkin. I first heard Brahanna watching Donald Glover's show Atlanta. It's one of the few shows I know I'm going to discover new music when I watch it. Some tracks don't stand up to repeat listens outside of the show, but Burhanna was one of the artists from the second season. I kept going back to. Berna's voice really stands out in modern R and b Whill. Pretty much everyone else these days sings with a whispery, atmospheric falsetto Brohanna has a crisp tenor and it sounds refreshing. Branna doesn't mind being different. He's first generation American born in Atlanta to Ethiopian parents, so he's always felt a bid out of place anyway. Still, he managed to find his people and eventually his sound. As you'll hear in this episode. The song You're listening to Janet is an ode to the original Dark Skin Aunt viv from The Fresh Prince of Blair. I sat down with Brahanna at Village Studios in LA to talk about how a young artist can go from working bad restaurant gigs to earning enough on music to eke out a living, and how he ended up in Tokyo to record most of his album Han. This is broken record liner notes for the digital age. I'm justin Richmond. Just a quick note here. You can listen to all of the music mentioned in this episode on our playlist, which you can find a link to in the show notes. For licensing reasons, each time a song is referenced in this episode, you'll hear this sound effect. All right, enjoy the episode. Here's my conversation with Brehanna. But first he starts off with the performance of the song that got me hooked, Gray Love. Yo. That was amazing, man, that was beautiful. Appreciates you. Yeah, so that was an acoustic version, stripped down version of gray Love, which is from your first project, your EP, and it's called Brahanna self titled exactly. Yeah, and uh, that song is actually how I first discovered you, like I'm sure many people, because it got featured on Donald Glover's show Atlanta. Yep, um No, must have been huge for an up and coming artist like you were at the time. He might have even been up and coming. You were just someone putting out music. Yeah, I mean it must have been massive. It was crazy. It was crazy for a few different reasons. That show is my favorite show on television by far. I was like super in tune with it. Um, I loved the writing. I'm from Atlanta. Um, Donald's one of my favorite artists. So just all of that, you know, happening at once was a very cool moment for me. Yeah. Yeah, I know, like a lot of a lot of younger artists like look for placements and fine placements. How big are placements for like an artist like you? I think it, you know, it depends on like the show. It depends if it's like a movie commercial. You know, it's all different. Um. I don't go out of my way to like get placements. I think there are a lot of people that do. They're like, oh, this movie is looking for these style songs, you know what I'm saying, Like you, only fifty Shades of Gray came out. I was with this other team at the time, and they were like, oh, like fifty shades gray, like you just gotta you just gotta make something a little sexy. And I was like, oh, I'm not about to do that, you know, um yeah exactly, But to like have your own song it feels like you yeah, and then someone else takes that that's cool. That's um not going out of my way for it feels better. Absolutely, So another reason that must have been like important and big for you because you weren't initially trying to be a musician or be you know, like play music for a living. You were trying to be a screenwriter. Yeah, and that's like that's like so it's like kind of your two worlds colliding in a way, like this amazing show with your music, how'd you get into screenwriting? My sister, that's like the easiest chance of My sister's twelve years older than me, and she kind of like shaped who I am. She would always she wants to NYU, but she would always like come home for extended amounts of time just to like stay with me and still be present in my life, and would put me onto different movies. She really liked in television shows and would break down A stories, B stories, C stories like she she already knew what like she wanted me to be in a way, like we kind of joke about that all the time. But I like, I was like, oh, I want to go to n y U. I want to be in the dramatic writing program. And that was like I was like Oh, that's what I want to do. I love TV, I love film. So I was like, oh, I just want to like write for the rest of my life. I just want to write. And I did music, but it was more so like a passion project. It was for me. I show a couple of friends here and there, but I never thought it was going to be the driving force by any means. And what were the first songs you wrote. The first song I wrote was about like my dad who like left I was like seven or eight. My sister left the house at the time, but my brother was still there. And it was to no music. It was just like story. It was just like writing. I had no I wasn't playing piano. I wasn't I was just like creating the melody and just writing the thing. And I showed my brother and he was the first person to really encourage me when it came to music, because he saw it as like almost like a journal. He was like, yo, you have to make sure that you keep doing this and letting out how you feel this way. He was like, I had no idea you felt like this, And that was Yeah, that was the first song I wrote. That's amazing to start trying to write songs at seven? What were you I mean in Atlanta? Is you grew up in Atlanta and that's like such a diverse musical town. Like there's so much music going on and all kinds of music. You know people think now just think of like trap music or whatever, but there's so much KNTO music going on atlant So what was there just a lot of music going on in your home? Um? In my home, yeah, there was. There was a bit of music. I'd say, like there was a lot of like oldies like Sam Cook my mom loved, like Stevie Wonder. There was also like Ethiopian music being played a bunch, and then whatever my brother was listening to, whether it was like BC Boys outcasts, and my sister as well used to always make me CDs mix CDs. So and we were in the church. But I didn't have, like, you know, one of those parents. I was like, listen to all apprentice discography, like this is amazing. You have to understand why I didn't have that. And I think the first thing I gravitated towards was storytelling. It was just like, oh, they're telling a very like unique story. I like how the words sound together and That's what drew me in first. How steeped in Ethiopian culture were you growing up as a kid? Um, It was interesting growing up in Atlanta and like having being first generation African because you go home and it's, you know, the smells are Ethiopian. The language that you're hearing your parents speaking us from Ethiopia, the decor, you know, everything is is Ethiopia. And then you like walk outside and it's like this Georgia. So there's like the southern pride aspect, and it's also Atlanta, so it's like very black and it's like very proud as well. So to be in like these three different worlds at once was it was a lot at times, but as an observer I began to like really take it all in and appreciate it as you know, the older I got. Yeah, those are the three really strong culture exactly. Yeah, you're just like I didn't even think about that part because I think of Atlanta sometimes it's like on an island, you know, same as like New Orleans. But yeah, there's like that southern sort of element to it too, right, especially if you're not specifically in Atlanta right outside of it, Like, did you ever feel I don't know, so I know a lot of first generations sometimes struggle with feeling like, you know, maybe you don't want to accept your your heritage because you want to sort of just you want to be if you want to fit in at school. You know. So you did you ever find yourself wanting to be more more fit into more one culture than the other or yeah, yeah, totally. There were definitely different times because I went to a school. My mom put me in this private school that was predominantly white that she worked at so that I could go to the school. But I remember once there was like a show and tell and my mom brought some different Ethiopian food and like kids were like spitting it up, like what is this? What is some of my favorite foods? Like some of my favorites. And then seeing that made me feel like, you know, ashamed because I was really young at the time, and I was like, oh, I guess this isn't good, So I don't I don't want kids to come over and smell my house and eat the food we have. I'd rather go to your house, right yep. Um, So there was a lot of that when I was really young, and then the order I got the more of that just like went away and I found a community of a lot of different like first generation Africans through church and sports. We became super close and those were the people I really identified with, even though they weren't Ethiopian or they didn't go to the same schools or whatever. It was just, oh, we share that that thing of being in different worlds than once. Yeah, you're sure being different in this place exactly. That's heartbreaking, man. Yeah, that's just like, Yeah, the one that spit out, it wasn't even crazy like food. It's like ginche. It's like kind of like similar to like rice or it's like something that no one should spit out some dump kids. Yea. His name was Casey. You remember the name still at His name is Casey punk. I saw you went to Ethiopia recently right there? Often to go back there. That's my first time actually the first time a month ago. Yeah. Yeah, I had an opportunity to do a show over there. My mom hasn't hadn't been back for forty seven years. Wow. Um, so I was like, this is the time we should both go. And I got to bring her with me and see the country through her eyes, and it was a surreal experience. And how did you connect with him a lot to a stocky out there man's that's insane. Yeah, that was amazing, brilliant if you Opian musician, like incredible discography, incredible absolutely. Um. He's been one of my favorites since I was young. That was one of the ones my mom put me onto at an early age. And I'll be um, a girl from our team who's incredible. She's right over here. Yep, she uh she she made that happen. She yeah, she I knew, she knew I really liked Mulatto and she had a connection. Yeah, she got us sometimes so we could sit down and really chop it up. Super thankful. It's crazy. How was that time? Man? What did he It was crazy? Man. I like came to him kind of like approaching him with an idea I wanted to do and it kind and he was like, you know, kind of down, but then it totally clipped, it totally flipped. He was like immediately went into He just like taught me so much. It was like we sat down for nearly three hours and he just talked to me about the history of music, how Ethiopia like plays into that. What instruments started in Ethiopia, then no one knows about and he's really like championing this kind of like no one really knows like that much about Ethiopian music in its history, including Ethiopian people, and he really wants to educate others. And he yeah, he did that. He taught me so much. Was crazy. That's like sitting down with like the that's like the Ethiopian Quincy Jones exactly. Yeah, I just shut up. I like didn't. I barely talked those three hours. What instruments are from Ethiopia. I didn't even realized it was. The massinco is like a really big one. It's kind of like a cello. That's one of the things he said. He was like, oh, what came first, the massinco or the cello? And I was like, I guess, Yeah, I guess the massinco because just how he was praising question and then he kept doing that with different instruments, horned and whatever it was, and then he would go into the history of it and how how that instrument was built in which tribe made that instrument. Um, yeah, there are a lot of unique instruments Piopia. That's amazing. Yeah, you can hear. When you listen to the music, it sounds like it's like orchestras full of like instruments. You feel like what is that? You know, either they playing in a way I've never heard this thing played, or some completely different instruments, but it's just it's such a beautiful, like like sound that it's just you know, when you're when you're not used to hearing those sounds. It just sounds especially just like like mystical or something. You know, it's incredible. We'll be back with my interview with Brehanna after a quick break. We're back with Brahanna. How do you How so you have two siblings, Yeah, and you're the youngest youngest, and they're both putting you on to movies and TV shows and music totally. And so then you decide you want to go study screenwriting and are you making music in college or are you? I was when I got there it was like I'd put music behind me. I remember I did one show in Atlanta right before I left, where I just did like covers and a couple of my songs, and then after that it was kind of like my all right, I'll come back to this label. How you how did you how the performance look? Like? What? Was it just you? It was me in a band of like people I just like recruited who were who were great. Um, But we rehearsed like maybe for a week, and they like played this show with me for free. I had like no money. Um. And then when I came to New York, I was like, all right, I'm gonna put that behind me and I'm gonna go all into this writing. Did you put it behind you? Because did it go well or did it just feel? No? It went it went fine, but it was like, oh, this isn't what I'm pursued. I'm going to New York to be successful in this field. So I was like, I'm gonna I'll just revisit this later. And so yeah, I was just for the most part only doing writing in turning its shows, I'm doing a lot of different stuff like UCB, Upright, Citizens Brigade. And then into like my senior year, I started like getting kind of restless because I really wanted to do music, but I just didn't know how. I hadn't been like there were a lot of like jazz school kids I'd been hanging out with, but it wasn't people I was like necessarily trying to make music with. And then this one kid, his name was Jimmy. He had heard I like sang because I used to like go to the piano room downstairs at the dorm and play songs now and then and people would come listen. And he was like, Oh, we should just do something together, just for the fucker to see how it goes. And I was like, yeah, for sure, let's do it. And we did one song called Kingdom together for his project and then it did pretty well, like for the first time i'd ever like put out a song, it like got right up, so it was like he doing really well for him, and I was like, oh, you know, this is cool. I'm gonna try and make my own stuff, or at least one song. I'm gonna try and make one song under my name, see how it go. And then I wrote like basically the outline of Janet, the song that I ended up putting on my EP. And I had connected with this kid's name Sapphire, who also went to my school for jazz, but he had dropped out because he was like, I know exactly what I want to do. I don't need to like be in school for it, and I loved that. I was like, oh, this is cool. I want to work with you. I want to like see if we can create something, and we ended up making the full EP together. Wow, how did you write so I love Janet too? Because it's a again, it's combining both of your world's right, it's music and it's combining like it's like, it's clearly someone with the love for TV how to write that? And I think probably everyone in our age grew up loving, like obsessed with the Fresh Prince. So it was such a beautiful send up to Ann Viv. Yeah, how did you come up with the idea for that? And how did it kind of develop? I saw a tweet from one of my really close friends who was one of those first generation kids I was trying about that I was super tight with in Atlanta. He tweeted it, if you fuck with the light skin on Viv, I can't trust you. And I thought it was so fun. I just like started laughing, you know, I like I retweeted or whatever. Um. But then it like kind of was this. I was like, man, what did happen? You know? It kind of like planted the seed. And then I started just researching, like going in like this wormhole, what is like what happened? Why was she kicked off the show? Does anyone really know? Like did? And then and then that led into being like, oh, the situation's kind of like fucked up. She hasn't worked in since that show really really she like has had small stuff but like too yeah she was, and she was kind of like, yeah, excommunicated from this community. She worked so hard to be a part of UM. She had you know, she was a really talented dancer, singer, actress, went to Juliard was in the first production of Cats on Broadway, finally snags this UM series regular on NBC, does so well, people love her, but because of a couple of TIFFs she gets in NBC is like you know what, No, we're gonna you're crazy. We're gonna tell everybody you're crazy, and you're off of this thing. And it's just like that, it all went away and it made me so sad, and I was like, wow, I have to I want to write something about this. So I wrote the chorus first UM at my house in Atlanta over like my piano, and I was like, oh, this is I'm gonna keep going with this, and then you called it Janet because that's Janet names the actress who played the initials right the O GM viv um. And then the verses are those are those about her too? Because it seems like those the verses are maybe, yeah, that's all about her. It's all about her. It's funny a lot of people when I first put it out, it's like girls would come up to me and be like, oh, like my name's Janet, or like I want to be like I want to be your Janet. And I was like, yo, if this song completely went over the head. This is not about a love interest. This is not about anything of that sort. It's about you know, it's an ode to Janet Hubert, and it's about like being forgotten and what that's like and how I'm afraid of that. You know, you're afraid of being forgotten? Yeah, of course a man. That's a good songwriting man, because it's like it's about something so specific and and because the dressing around it is sounds so great. It's like you can hear almost whatever you want to hear in it, you know, Yeah, like you could hear that song and totally think it was about, you know, being left behind by a lover or you know, it just depends on certain I love that it's open for a trip. That's always been my favorite stuff. And it took me a long time to be like, Okay, this is what it means to me because I like that people were taking away their own things. That's one of my favorite things about music and something that I did with like the music I was listening to when I was younger in college. Even now, it's like I can I make my own interpretations and that's what makes it special. Yeah, all the time. Often sometimes I like sometimes I like to look at lyrics and then sometimes they don't sounds I'm disappointed. Not the lyrics are bad, but I'm like, wow, I thought this whole time, this was about this and identified it with this, and when I was feeling this way, I put this on and it made me feel so like, you know, so good. Oh it's like room now. Yeah, And I don't want to ruin it. You know. That's the same reason why I don't look up lyrics a lot of the time. It's because I don't want it to be ruined. So when you put out the EP you worked with Sapphire, what was your intention for that just to put it out or yeah. My intention was well, a little bit before i'd put out the EP, I like I was working on it, but I wasn't fully in. I was still doing so many other things. And I remember I was sending in a lot of like different packets, like applying to shows and writing packets. And there was one show I thought I was gonna get and I was like, oh, if I get this, I'm gonna go all in with this and I'll like marinate on the EP and i'll you know, it'll come out when it comes out. Uh. It was a Colbert when he like took over and then I ended up not getting it, and I was like, oh, I'm gonna finish this. I'm gonna finish the EP right now. I was like, there's nothing else I want to do. I'd stopped um sending in packets at that point, and I was like, all right, here I go. I'm just gonna go for it. I'm gonna put this out. I'm gonna move to LA before it comes out, and then I'm gonna see where it goes. And it went fine. It was a slow you put it out what you want you want on the label at the time, right, I wasn't on a label. No, I I had just gotten managers like after I'd already finished the project and they were like, oh yeah, you should put this on Spotify and all these different you know, Apple Music whatever, whatever. And then and then and then I got a job in a restaurant in LA and then it slowly just built. What was the what was the tipping point moment for that? Like when did it start? But at some point that caught fire? When did um? It's funny. I was working at this restaurant in day that I really hated. But I'd worked in a restaurant in New York where I'd like you know, worked up from a server to chef to assistant manager. So I was making like five I was making like good money for where I was at. But then I went to La and then there's the same style restaurant. They're like, now you're gonna be a busser and you have to train for like a month, and when you're training, you get no money. You get like just you get paid shit. So I was still in that phase. And now remember Tyler the creator came into the restaurant and I was like, you know, someone I like look up to an artist I look up to, and I was just like, damn, this is not how I'm trying to the creator, you know what I'm saying. I was like, so I'm just avoiding his table at all costs. And then my boss is like, yo, I want to see wipe down this table which is like kind of close to his table, and uh I was like fine, dude, whatever, like head down, go wipe the table. And then this man yells at me because he's like, you didn't get the sides. So he like shows me how to like wipe the sides of a table. He's like, look, takes the rag and like does it. And I was like, oh, I'm gonna quit this week. I was like this is the worst, Like, this is the worst feeling ever. And then it just so happened to be like that next week I got paid from my music just enough to like make it through one month, and I was like, Okay, cool, I'm gonna make sure I stretch this bitch out and not I'm not about to get another job right now, and if if to next month, cool, But it ended up being the next month I got a little bit more than I got in a month before, and I was like, all right, we're gonna do the same thing. I'm gonna make you know, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches stain my ass inside, right, Um, And then it kept like growing. That was the last time I had to work at a restaurant. That's amazing. Yeah, that's incredible. And what you're doing shows when at that point or no, no one is just coming in from from the from the EP from Yeah, from the EP from streaming. Yeah, thank god for streaming, man, thank god, thank god. I love it. I was trying to put that EP out for free too, so I'm glad I didn't do that because it enabled me to, yeah, start doing this full time. We'll be right back with Brehanna after the break. We're back with Brahanna performing his song Golden Cool. Incredible. So where'd that cuter guardline come from? Man? Oh? That was um college. In college, we were reading Kika Guard in one of my philosophy classes and his ideas on authenticity were something I really gravitated towards. Um. Yeah, and that's that's the line. That's line's actually not even in the song that we put out. It's like, I've never lost verse. Yeah, I was gonna say, speaking of like not listening to the lyrics, like I've listened to that song a bunch. I never heard that line today. Yeah, we were like, oh, you know, let's like stretch out the song a bit. And I haven't ever performed that verse, so I was like, oh, yeah, let's do it here. Thank you. Thanks ye. First of all, I mean I got I studied philosophy in college because I got into Kirker Garden. I loved it, and I didn't been to study in the Kirker Garden college, like you just didn't have any of that in the curriculum. I was bummed. Um, and yeah, so that was great. I just I just just broked up on that because yeah, I just hadn't heard that in the song. So how come with idea to structure? So your new album it's called Han and this is your first actual album other one to be more of an EP. Yeah, And it's really cool because there's these little skits and not like these extended rap skits, but there are these like these cool little skits in between songs that kind of remind me of like Midnight Marauders or something. Right like how this like this lady got in you through the album. In this case, it's a flight attendant. How'd you come up with that? I do? Mina Marauders is one of my favorite albums growing up, and I thought I always wanted to do my own version of that where it felt like a little more narrative based and I could put it in a space specifically, And so the concept of the album came before anything. When I when I write, it's like I go about it different ways the process of it. But for this album was like, oh, I know what the how I want the album to sound sonically, I know what I want the concept to be, and I know I want them to flow together seamlessly, um and have all of these different sounds, Like certain songs don't sound like other songs on the album, but they still feel like they come from the same world. And that's kind of that was my starting point. Yeah. He used a band on this one, right, Yeah. I used to a lot of UM. I used to band a lot of like great musicians. Danny McKinnon, who's in here playing with me today, Pomo, he produced the entire record with me. He was someone I really wanted to get into a session with him and Danny both. Actually they were putting out a lot of like different videos just them doing covers and like jamming. It wasn't even them putting out songs. They were putting out videos of just you know, where they were and like what they were listening to. And it really I was like, oh, I'm listening to the same things like right now. I was like, I really want to get in a session and see like what that's like. Then one session turned into like three sessions, and then I kind of finessed. I was like, throughout this idea, like, oh, what if we did like a few songs and made it, you know, into its own project, knowing I wanted this to be the album, and but yeah, Palmo was so down. He was That's like something that's really great about him as a producer. He's he loves like challenges, and even though I was throwing like a lot of different things his way, he was just really excited to do something he hadn't done before. From the initial idea of it just being like a small project to becoming a full record. One did that. I'm Japan in Japan. We went to Japan to record. I had a couple of festival dates out there, and Danny came to play with us, Palma came to play with us, and we just had this like whole group that we were already working on the album together. So we're like, oh, let's stay like a few more weeks, rent out a studio, and just go as hard as we can in Japan. And then when we were there, it was like that's when it was like, oh, here's that line. It's all right there now we just need to finish these songs in the like drunk for instance, which comes after Golden and you guys will play at some point today. The opening line is drunken Japan, Drunken Tokyo, drunkn Tokyo, Drunken Tokyo. I do not know the language, nor how I know your name. And the going to Japan? Did recording there did that like change? Did that change the vibe of the of the recordings at all or the sessions or like what? For sure? I think it's whenever you're in a new place, it kind of opens you up, like you're not in the same routine. Everything's super new to you, especially a place like Japan where it's everybody looks different from you. Every store is different from any store you go to in America. It's a whole new world. So being in like that environment and like creating, you're going to get something different than you get when you're at home. So it definitely informed everything that we're doing. Sure, and the restaurant you're working at in New York was a Japanese restaurant and you had to like learn some of the language there. R Is there like a do you have an affinity for the culture there? Or was it? Is this all kind of accidental that you worked at a restaurant and had to learn some Japanese and that you ended up getting like dates and oh yeah, it was. It was super accidental. It was when I got the job. It was right. It was around the time where I was like, all right, I'm just doing this EP I'm gonna finish this uh And I was like, whoa, I'm broke. I need some money. So I'd applied to so many different jobs, couldn't get anything. Then I had a buddy in New York who was like, Oh, I have this job. They're looking for people, but there's like a catch. They want you to speak Japanese. They want you to do this like fifteen minute chant before shift starts that you have to learn they want you to. It's like still very Japanese. All your bosses are gonna be Japanese. They barely speak English. It wasn't the chant you have to do before you started crazy. Actually, if at the end of Golden there's like you kind of here like the sky end of this chant, and that was me recording the actual chant that we did. Can you what is? Do you remember any of it? Still? I remember fifteen minutes, but you got like twenty seconds in you Yeah, Uccino sauka. It's a long thing. It's a very long thing. To my entrained ear, that sounds like the access perfect too. Man, Like you're killing hazy bros. And I was working like forty hour weeks and if you do like the lunch shift and the dinner shift, that's thirty minutes every day getting on the clock. Here we're on the clock. But yeah, it was it was a very intense you just is it just it's just I know, I know, like the gist, I don't know exactly, I don't know everything. My Japanese used to be way better when I was there, but uh, yeah, that kind of like kicked off the affinity I guess for it was never You know, there are a lot of musicians in particular and artists who will say that, like like I said with this album, a big starting point for me was Japanese funk, and I feel like there are a lot of artists who would who would be like, oh, like I just heard this, like Japanese funk from the eighties, It's so weird and unique. I'm going to use this as a starting you know, kind of fetishizing this thing. Where for me it was like, oh no, all of my bosses where Japanese only spoke Japanese, they would tell me like, yo, you should read this book by Riyono Sukyakatagawa, or you should watch this movie by Yasujiro Ozu, or you should listen to this album by you could hear Takahashi, or like they would put me onto things where I was like it was like oh because of that, then I was like, Oh, this author is really tight. Who did he inspire? Or this filmmakers really tight? Who are his contemporaries? And it kind of I kind of kept going down that too. That's how I got inspired. You know, It's because of the environment I was in. Wow, yeah, this is like putting you in like a whole fourth other culture totally. That's also very strong in this thing. So you were listening to all that stuff even before you went out there to record. So that must have been kind of fun to be able to record out there. That would give you the idea to say, like, hey, let's try to absolutely the troops and do it. Yeah, absolutely cool man, definitely want to do drunk, Yeah, let's do this is this is about your first trip to Japan, right, first and second, first and second combined in one great cool Thank you for doing these guys, It's all over, It's it. That's it man. Thanks to Brahanna for taking us through his first two projects and sharing some of that incredible Japanese chant with us. Be sure to check out his album Han, along with our other favorite Brahanna songs on a playlist we created at Broken record podcast dot com. You can also find a playlist we hadn't put together some of his favorite Japanese city pipe he'd be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube dot com slash Broken Record Podcasts. We're always putting up our old interviews there and our new ones, sometimes with bonus content. Broken Record is produced with help from Jason Gambrel me LaBelle Lea Rose, and Martin Gonzalez for Pushkin Industries. A theme music by Kenny Beats. I'm justin Richmond. Thanks for listening.