THE BIBLICAL FAST IS REAL — THIS MAN DID 50 DAYS TO PROVE IT

God’s Love As A Mystery

Dr Pompa 0:00

God's love is a mystery. It's a mystery. How you can love the unlovable people who just hate you. God came into me and changed me. I didn't think about being good. I always said it's like God loved me when I hated him.

SPEAKER_02 0:14

I saw a vision of myself standing on Mount Moriah where Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac. It was a virtual, real vision.

Dr Pompa 0:25

God has purpose in your life, but you're gonna have to step into the true identity and understand who God really made you to be.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

Sacrifice is a powerful principle in the things of God. That's why there could have been no salvation but by the sacrifice of his son Jesus. Fasting is sacrifice. God is the God of sacrifice.

Growing Up In Ghana With Influence

Dr Pompa 0:48

Imagine fasting 50 days only on water. Is it possible? Well, of course it is, because my next guest did just that. Okay, we are going to discuss fasting from a spiritual perspective. Oh, we'll tap into the physical as well. I just can't help myself. But pain to purpose is the name of this podcast in functioning in our God-given purpose. Do you think it affects your physical health? Well, I know this: it affects your physical health and your spiritual health and your happiness because God designed us that way. We're going to dig in. My next guest is an expert there, and he is a pastor to the nations. This man pastors the world. He does. So I am honored to introduce you to him, Pastor Zigga. Thank you so much for being here. It's my honor and my privilege. Yeah. And we have your amazing books, and I really want to dig into the power of one. But, you know, I just I opened it up there. We're going to we're going to dig into all that. But I don't want to start there because, you know, there's um I there's a lot I don't know about your beginnings, right? This is what I know. To get to where you are with the stature and the influence that you have, so many countries of the world you've influenced, so many amazing things you've done, the leadership role, even in the entrepreneurial uh world, you have touched all those spaces. You don't get there by accident. So you get there from a life, and what I say from pain to purpose, but you get there from a life of uh, you know, things, incredible stories and things. So take me back to that. Like, where did you grow up? I mean, I want to I want to know that first. Where did you grow up and what was that like?

SPEAKER_02 2:32

Well, please, uh, first, uh, so thankful to be here. It's an honor to be with Dr. It's an honor to have you here, Dr. Pumper. I mean, I I'm so honored to see what God has done in your life and what you have done and what you have achieved and what you are yet to achieve. Because coming around you, there's such an energy of strife and energy, to ascend energy, to excel energy for heights, and you just exhume that kind of energy capital. I call it energy capital. Well, coming from you that means a lot, you know. So thank you for this invitation. Yeah, so I was born in Africa, in Ghana, and to a father who uh was a British-trained businessman. You know, he grew in in Africa from a very, very poor home. He wore shoes for the first time at the age of nine, and he did not see his father. Uh, and his mother was poor, and uh he he had to go to uh to work in a farm at uh go for 5 a.m. in the morning and and for about two hours to get a little coins to feed himself and to put himself in school. And he walked barefooted, almost about six miles a day to school, you know, self-educated, self-taught. But he did so well, he got scholarships and to the best high school, uh called Achimoda School, which was uh built by the British, you know. And uh then from there he got another scholarship to go to England uh to advance his education. So he he was very well British trained, British taught uh with with the disciplines and principles which were not very common in the African context, you see. Uh so he studied you know ceramics uh in in uh ceramics, like pottery. Pottery.

Dr Pompa 4:32

Yeah, and and I do have one question. That seemed like a unique thing or a privilege to be to going to that school. How did he get into to be able to get trained up by the British in the school? Well, I mean that evidently I mean that affected him, which obviously affected you. How did that happen?

SPEAKER_02 4:49

Yeah, the the the British you know colonized Ghana. Okay. So they had British scholarships for for but not every child got that opportunity. No, no, no, no. You should be uh a straight A student kind of a thing. Okay. So he must have done very well. I wasn't born then. Yeah, but you know, so he did very well, but I've we know him to be a very smart man.

Dr Pompa 5:09

Yeah, so you got your smarts from your dad? Well, maybe from your mom, too. Well, I'm humble.

SPEAKER_02 5:15

You know, but one thing I knew about my father was besides being smart, he was a very hard worker. He was uh a man of determination. You got that from dad. Well, well, well, thanks. Then he always said to me that perseverance conquers difficulties. Perseverance conquers difficulties. Write that down. You know, yeah, uh perseverance conquers difficulties. So I had it in all my school books, Perseverance Conquers Difficulties. And uh my father will always tell me that when the semester starts, you've already passed your your test by the end of the semester at the beginning. Because your daily habits, your study routines tell the story of how it will end. So if you failed your exam, you failed months before you wrote it, based on your the the culture of engagement and the drive of your purpose. Anyway, so I grew up uh uh in that family. Then he became a senator. He became a member of wow.

Dr Pompa 6:16

So from the boy who didn't wear shoes till age nine, yeah, right, um and ending up to be a senator.

SPEAKER_02 6:23

A senator, yeah, as well. It's pretty amazing. You know, and uh so he in America we call it senator, but in in Africa it's m MP, Member of Parliament.

SPEAKER_03 6:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 6:32

Yeah, so he was a member of the the Ghanaian parliament.

Dr Pompa 6:36

And uh So to get to there, so he had the privilege of d being in this British school. British school. And then he went on to further education? Yeah, in England. Oh, so yeah. So then he got to go to England. England and finish his education. Again, because he was a top student, because I'm sure he had great favor because people recognized this kid as rising above the other kids.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

Yes. So he created his destiny. His destiny. And then he came back to Africa, Ghana, to start his ceramic studies. To be an influence. Yes. And so so uh and then he was a he was a t a t a tennis player. In those days, it it wasn't golf, it was tennis. Yeah. You know, so he was an avid tennis player. Uh he told us when in school in England, uh, he would go to Wi Wimbledon uh center court. You play tennis? I do play tennis. Ah, of course. You know, yeah. And so when he came back, he had a private t tennis court in his house back in Africa. So uh we all I grew up playing tennis. Uh it's one of my fun games. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 7:36

So that was So real quick. So in in Africa then, so he gained influence. Yes. Um I mean, most of Ghana, I I've been to Africa three times, but I I've been in Zimbabwe, but very poor. Ghana, I'm sure, is the same, right? So he was influential, he had influence. Yes. And uh obviously to have a tennis court in his house, right? So he he's done very well.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

Yeah, he did very well, honestly. Okay. And another aspect of the favor of God on his life was that normally uh to become a a member of parliament or a senator, it's an uh an elective stuff. You know, you you have to have elections and campaign. But he was not. He was appointed by the president.

SPEAKER_03 8:21

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Which was the most one of the most unusual things.

Dr Pompa 8:24

I mean, he he gained this favor because of the man who he was.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

Yeah. So he was appointed by the president. And and guess what? The the political party of the president rose up against him, wrote all kinds of negative things against him because they said, well, he didn't stand elections, he's not the right uh, you know, uh party member, many, many negatives. We call them anonymous letters. So what? Anonymous. Uh anonymous letter. Anonymous. Anonymous letters. Okay. So then that government began to go eastern or communist and was overthrown by the CIA. So there was this this big coup, coup d'etat. What CIA? Central Intelligence Agency, American government. America.

Dr Pompa 9:14

Okay, yeah, I was just being sure. Yeah, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

So the American government overthrew him. Yeah. Overthrew the government because they were going very communist. And and uh so my father was arrested, put into protective custody, but he was the first to be released. Why? Because when the new government came into power, they began to investigate all the parliamentarians, senators, and government officials, and they found this huge file of anonymous letters against him. Okay. You know, saying that, well, right, he didn't start elections, he's not the right guy, and that also he wasn't a genuine party member. That freedom in the end. Yeah. So that freedom at the end, so what should have destroyed him became his blessing. Because the he wasn't obviously going along with their regime. No.

Dr Pompa 10:06

Yeah. So he wasn't agreeing on the things, and therefore they were going after him. They were trying to separate. Yeah, okay. Yeah. And he That's God.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

Yeah, that's God. He had a different slant of leadership. He was very good. We we were told that if the if the the government hadn't been overthrown, he would have been appointed as the secretary for industries. You know, he was that good. Anyway, so now the it was over. I began to grow in that atmosphere.

Dr Pompa 10:33

So very quick, one more question. You began to grow in that atmosphere. Was your father a believer at that point? Was he a Christian?

SPEAKER_02 10:40

Well, he was a Christian. He was a Presbyterian. Okay. Yeah, an Orthodox Christian. And uh Do you think he was a real believer at that point? Yeah, he was a good Christian. Yeah, he was a very good Christian. He didn't delve into those African cult stuff. And usually a man that prominent, most African men that prominent were polygamists. You know, they have married.

Dr Pompa 11:03

Yeah, yeah, polygamists, and they're they're they're into all the the spiritual witchcraft stuff as far as gaining power in politics. And that's why I was saying that, because I've been to Africa three times and I was very taken back by how open the spiritual stuff is. It's because of the history of witchcraft.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Yeah, yeah.

Dr Pompa 11:20

And uh you and I know a guy um similar, which I just found that out. I was shocked. You know Pastor Gatzi. Yeah, yeah. Um I, you know, was just blessed to be in his presence and um a man of incredible faith. But I remember the first lecture I heard when I was in Africa was a vagabond spirit. Uh-huh. And he was talking about how families in Africa, the reason Africa um has all this wealth of diamonds and oil and all this stuff, and yet they can't access it. And other countries come in and access it. He says it's because it's a vagabond spirit from their ancestors playing in witchcraft, et cetera, et cetera. So does that apply here as well?

SPEAKER_02 11:58

Well, here, no. Okay. My father was not polygamist, he was a monogamist. He had only one wife, and uh because he was British trained, so he was more English in everything he did. And he was a good, a good Christian. You know, he followed the Christian ethics, so he did well.

Dr Pompa 12:17

So where did you think he learned that? Who who influenced him in his life?

SPEAKER_02 12:21

I think his father. Okay. Uh he he did not meet his father. He um I'm told when he was born, his father died. Okay. But his father had nine children, and so the family, uh the family must have had a strong Christian background.

Dr Pompa 12:37

Okay, yeah. Which was rare there, right? Very rare at that time.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

That was the root. That was at the root. You know, so so I was born uh I grew among uh you know politicians because he was senator, a lot of them, uh, among businessmen because of his industry. You know, so I grew, and most most names that would be on on the news or in the papers were were in our house, you know, like the Secretary of State and all those other guys, the Attorney General, government officials, presidents, ambassadors.

Dr Pompa 13:07

So you're a little kid around this.

SPEAKER_02 13:09

All this.

Dr Pompa 13:10

That's amazing. All this diplomatic. I mean say right away though, that explains more to me of who you are. Well, thing. Because the way you function in authority. Yeah. You know, you're you scream authority. I mean, you mean like it just comes off of you. Like you said, my energy comes off of me, your authority comes off of you, right? I mean, it's because the way you were raised, and how God has used that in your life.

Meeting Jesus And Mindset Shifts

SPEAKER_02 13:32

Yes. I mean, the the British High Commissioner will be in our home, uh come and uh the American ambassador, Indian High Commissioner, United Nations, uh, all these other guys. So uh I grew up out of that, and well, it was my pathway. So literally speaking, I was being schooled towards playing tennis, being among those those those kinds of people around their world. So their children became our friends. So it was a strong network coming out until one day uh I met Jesus. I met Jesus.

Dr Pompa 14:10

Tell me about that day.

SPEAKER_02 14:11

So that day, uh I I I had a friend who kept on inviting me to another church in the big city. Mostly the Presbyterian church we were in were mostly nominal Christians, you know, playing safe with God, so to speak. But but there was this other vibrant Pentecostal church with a young preacher that was in the big city, and everybody was trying to invite me to attend, and I wouldn't because I had a wrong thinking process. There was a misnomer in my life. Tell me what that was. That the closer you get to God, the more God takes away your wealth from you. So if you if if you want to be rich, stay away from God. That was what I had in my mind. Yeah, yeah.

Dr Pompa 14:57

You know, I mean, because what do you think? Like, why how did that get instilled in you?

SPEAKER_02 15:02

Well, because I thought that uh, you know, God, the fear of God, I I had a wrong, a wrong concept about the fear of God. You know, my father never thought like that. But I don't know why I got that that idea. Because most of the guys around my father were all very, very successful. I mean, all the big names. I don't know why I had that misnomer. Yeah. You know, so someone planted that down to see. Yeah. You know, so so I I thought that, you know, if I want to be successful, I shouldn't get too close because I will have to be too holy and too righteous and maybe inactive or whatever, whatever. So I didn't want to go to that church. So under severe pressure from my friends, I made a deal with them. I said, okay, next week's Sunday, I'll go with you on condition that you don't bug me again with this issue. And they said, a deal. So we went there and I intentionally sat way at the back, the last seat, furthest away from the puppet. That's probably what I would have done. Yeah, you know, and uh so so I went and took my seat, and the only entrance exits were in front, closer to the pulpit. Okay, yeah, you know, so I just down the aisle. Yeah, down on the aisle. So I went and sat down there. This guy began to preach. He began to pray with so much zeal, conviction, you could feel the anointing. The first time I've really I could tell someone was under the supernatural power of God preaching. Yeah, you just sense it. It was like fire. And my goodness, by the middle of the message, I was so convicted of my sins. I uh I was I I wasn't that much of a bad guy. I wasn't on drugs or nothing like that. Yeah, of course. But but I knew that I wasn't right with God. Yeah, yeah.

Dr Pompa 16:56

Yeah, I'll describe my situation the same.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

So this man finished preaching, and he said, All those who must give their lives to Jesus should come forward. Almost about 20 people went forward, and uh I didn't want to go forward because number one, I was feeling shy, and number two, I didn't know what that meant.

Dr Pompa 17:16

And how old are you now?

SPEAKER_02 17:18

Uh what then I was about 202 years old. Yeah, so I didn't want to go. And then the man said that I feel in my spirit that there's one one guy here who must come forward. If he doesn't come forward, I'm not going to close church service. I said, okay, let's see. 15 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 17:40

No way.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

The man was waiting. He said, I know in my spirit there's someone here who must come forward. If he doesn't come forward, we are not going to close this service. Suddenly, I I felt as though the whole world knew it was me.

Dr Pompa 17:55

Yeah, yeah. Even this point, they're like, they're all looking at me.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

Yeah, yeah, was telling me it's your go, it's your go. You know, Doctor, I don't know what I don't know how I got there. It was like a springboard, and that the chair just took me out there supernaturally.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:15

The next thing I know, I was standing right in front. And but I remember when I got up, the man said, There he is. So I went there and uh accepted Jesus Christ. I confessed my sins and uh and it was a it was a real shift in my life. Then there were some businessmen there that morning and said, Hey, what do you do? I said, Well, I'm in business. And they said, We have a business uh cell group that night. So they they invited me to that meeting. I walked into that house compound, and we they had Mercedes-Benz cars, BMWs, Alpha Romeo's, and I thought to myself, no.

Dr Pompa 18:56

So already it was breaking down that barrier.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

It was breaking down that barrier, you know. You're like, wait a minute, that wait a minute. Yeah. You know, and and so I got to the house and I said, No, those who drive these kind of cars don't give their lives to Jesus like that. So I walked out, went to the next house, asking for the address. And they said, That's the house you you just walked out of. I was beginning to melt at that point. My whole mindset. The devil knows how to just put a little twist in your thoughts, just so that you can miss the things God has for you. Just a little bit. So I got in there and their hands were up, worshiping the Lord, some tears running down their eyes. I broke down, I cried, I sobbed and cried. I I went into such a deep agony of repentance. Suddenly, I saw how good God had been to me. You know, because truly he had been good to me, and yet how ungrateful I had been to him in reverse. I think I paid God back in a wrong way. And and thinking that I could never pay him back. I owe God, I'm guilty. I cried and cried and cried. It was so bad that um the host of that fellowship had to massage me out of crying. They actually put my body upside down and massaged me to stop crying. I it was so deep. It was a change of life.

Dr Pompa 20:37

I knew that there was a new turn in my life, and I wasn't going to go the way You know, when when people think of religion, Christianity, they think about, okay, I'm gonna go to church and it's about me trying to be good enough. You know, my experience was like yours. I I didn't think about that. It was the opposite. You know, God came into me and changed me. Wow. I didn't think about being good. I didn't think about, I was focused on, I always said it's like God loved me when I hated him. Yeah you know, and it's like and I was overwhelmed with you know that which is in me that was disgusting, right? It's like, and again, like you, I didn't do drugs, I grew up good, I wasn't, you know, a bad kid with the world would look at as bad. Yeah. But man, when you have that encounter with the creator of the universe, man, it you you sure do get a different glimpse of yourself. But it wasn't me, it was all him. It was all him.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

You know, to imagine that a good God, a holy God, a big God, a great God like that would love someone like me.

Dr Pompa 21:47

That's what I say.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

And focus on me. And I say the same thing, you know, one on one. Uh till today I can't get over it.

Dr Pompa 21:54

I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

It's a concept beyond human understanding.

Dr Pompa 22:00

Man, I know. So so my life I just got I just got total goosebumps, you know, because it brought me back to that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

Yeah. You know, I don't know what we could do without God. I don't know how anyone could live on this earth, this planet, and think that there is no God or God doesn't exist. I I mean the very gosh. The very functioning of your human metabolism tells you there must be God.

SPEAKER_03 22:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

I mean, your heart continues to beat for as long as you are alive. Sometimes your your heart is working for 100 years. No recharge. Yeah. No, no reboot. Yeah. I mean, I mean, consistently. You think there's no God, there's no electricity plugged into your body.

Dr Pompa 22:46

You know, the more I studied the human body, the more I was in awe with the creator of it, right? It's like, and you go, My God, it cannot be an intelligence, you know, that is God. I mean, it's I'm always amazed. I am. It's like you think about the smartest human on earth. Who is it? I don't even know. We could talk about Einstein, we could talk about Sir Isaac Newton, we can talk about it. I don't know. Put them all together, and it doesn't even fathom what God's done or the intelligence. We don't even understand the atom. It's like we can't even understand the cell like God, you know, does. I mean, it's just un just remarkable to me.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

I you know, I was in in Switzerland uh uh recently, uh, and I went to Albert Einstein's house, you know, and uh we drove to where he used to live. I worked in his living room, his bedroom, his kitchen. I would love to see that yeah, just to feel Albert Einstein. I mean, what kind of man possibly was he? And still today, I mean, you could feel some some some some vibe, some, some, some, some energy of brilliance there, you know, if you are sensitive in the spirit. And uh just to imagine that, then I went to his school uh where he was, where he he he taught uh at uh at this um in the university. I went to his cubicle, I went to uh his lecture room, and just to imagine that God would make a man that brilliant and that ever lived on on this earth. Yeah, yet compared to God, he was he was just a little a little speck of a dust somewhere.

Dr Pompa 24:33

Yeah, nothing.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

You know, uh we we serve a good living God, and I'm telling you, uh I'm looking forward to getting back to heaven one day. Me too. You know, and continuing this lifelong thing because salvation is eternal.

Dr Pompa 24:48

I I wanna we'll we'll get here, but I want to get your take on where we are right now you know, for so many reasons, you know, of what's you know, what's to come and the the revelation and the new millennium, all that. I want to I I want to hear your take on all that because I I think everyone does. Because you know, are we close? Are we in the end times? How close are we? I ponder these things every day, but I I don't have an opportunity to ponder them with someone uh with your stature. So we're gonna do that today, too. But let's let's finish that though. So, you know, you here you are, you you know, you you you're a believer now, but you're still you're still who God made you, right? You you're still this this business mind you know, raised that way for God's purpose and delivery?

Losing Passport Then Choosing Sacrifice

SPEAKER_02 25:31

So so it happened that after I got saved that day, uh I was introduced to the full gospel businessman Fellowship International. There's a group of Christian businessmen who who were beginning to learn the biblical economics, how to incorporate biblical economics to the natural economics of life, how to apply uh the things God said in the Bible, the biblical laws to our practical business life. So this group was there, and I joined them and I knew that was the right path for me. And I learned a lot about faith uh uh in in practice, in business life, uh supply and demand, and all the various aspects of economics and how God sees it and what the Bible says about it, and how uh with faith in God you can get more out of the natural economic principles of life and stuff by prayer and intercession and fasting and all that. And so here there was a conference in uh in Dallas that I had to attend. And that was my first time ever coming to America. So I came to this conference in. And what year was this? 1985.

Dr Pompa 26:39

And how old were you then?

SPEAKER_02 26:40

I was 24 plus. Okay. Yeah. 24, yeah. So so I came there, and uh it was this, it was at the Louis Anatole Hotel, you know, five-star hotel. And uh I I I caught uh I got a flight from London. I was in England then. I came from London to Houston, and in the process of catching my my flight to Dallas, I lost my passport and my my ticket. I think after I got my boarding pass, I was in a hurry. And I I dropped them. I didn't know. I don't know what happened actually. So I checked into the hotel because it was pre-check and all that. Then I found out that I didn't have my passport, I didn't have my return ticket. So we called the airline, they they couldn't locate them. So I met a friend there and uh we began to pray. Said, Lord, help me. This is my first time in the States. I knew nobody, and I needed to pay for all this expensive stuff. And well, that afternoon, that afternoon, there was a news break by the MCE of the conference that, hey, guys, uh, there are some students from the Christ for the nations college, Christian college, going to South America for an evangelistic trip, and uh they need some financial help. So they also found out that some businessmen were there at this conference, Christians. So if anybody could help support them. And I and the Lord said to me, Give all the money you have into that offerable. I said, Lord, God, please. This is my first time in the States. I lost my passport, I lost my ticket. I'm in a five-star hotel. I give God all the reasons why He probably should pick somebody else. And uh, but the more I tried to convince him, the stronger the impression was, the inspiration was getting stronger. So I said, Lord, if truly this is you, give me a sign. Suddenly, suddenly, I saw a vision of myself standing on Mount Moriah in Genesis 22, where Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac. I I was so clear, it was a virtual, real vision. Like you were there. I I was there. I saw Abraham, I saw his eyeballs, how uh his eyes were filled of fear for God, love for God, and love for his son. You could see the intensity, the stress of faith. And he I saw his garment, what he wore. It was a kind of a light brown jute jute. But I would love to see that picture. Yeah. Do you paint? I I I can, but I uh you need to paint that picture. Yeah, it was so real. Yeah. I mean, I mean, the material, the the textile of the garment he wore, you could tell was a rough medieval in a printout. And Abraham's his beard, and his and he he covered Isaac's face with his left hand because he didn't he didn't want eye contact with his son. And the the knife, the the knife was a very rough blade, kind of a uh um a cave uh stone, stone-cut knife. His hand was shaking like this, and he was about to knife Isaac. I was there, as it were. Then I heard the voice of God, and God said, If Abraham was prepared to give away his only son, what is money that you are withholding from me? Give all the money away to the offer into the offering for for these students to to go to South America. I broke down. It was like time stood still. All that time I was still in this conference with all these businessmen. Within a minute, I was on Mount Moriah in the Bible and back. I gave it all away. And then after that session, it was time for lunch, and I didn't have money to pay for my lunch. So so I walked out, you know, to uh to avoid the embarrassment of not being able to afford lunch. Uh I went out of the hotel, pacing back uh and forth uh at the fire.

Dr Pompa 31:01

Now you're saying, Lord, now you're gonna starve me to death.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Well, well, so I knew I knew that I knew that I was going to begin a fast. I had been fasting before then. So, and usually when you are fasting, there must be a theme for for the fast. There must be a scripture or something like that. So, this was your first fast? Well, that was not my my first fast. No, yeah, okay. I mean, I mean, but but a real indefinite one. Yeah in my mind, my first indefinite fast. So I was thinking about Lord, so what scripture should I use? And I wasn't fighting God at all because that experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You live there, you knew, right? Yeah, did it for me. Well, then I saw a car drove in, a man and a and a wife came out, and they said, Gentlemen, can we interfere with your thoughts a little bit? I said, Yeah. And they they said, We paid for a friend for lunch, but at the last hour he he canceled on us. Would you join us at this business luncheon? And I said, Okay. So right there I knew God said, not today. Not today. No, no, not today. So I went and had lunch. Till the three days of the conference. It was as though news was around. I was getting invitations for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. So God took care of my food. But the next day, the airline found my passport, but not my ticket. So they they shipped it into the hotel. Well, then I met a gentleman also at the hotel who heard my story and paid for my way back. You know, he just took a check, you know, and uh he said, what's your your scheduled flight back home? And I said, Well, from Dallas uh to Chicago, Chicago, New York, New York, London, London to Africa. That was the original route, anyway. So they they paid for it. Well, so here I was in Chicago after this this conference. And uh then at the end of the conference, by the way, my friend from the Philippines, who I met there, I was in line by faith to pay for my room. I didn't have the cash. Just believing God, because by this time, he had proved to me that he's taken care of. He's taken care of that. So I got there, and the guy said, Well, I added your room to my room number, and I paid for your room. So, Emmanuel Bon Voyage. So God took care of all my needs after I gave away everything I had. Well, I was in Chicago. I had two business deals to strike in Chicago. And whilst I was praying in Chicago with some friends who I'd lived with, I heard the Lord say, go to Washington. Go to Washington. Well, in my mind, yeah, Washington, D.C. was on the East Coast on my way back to Europe. So for me, that was easy for me. But I felt there was another Washington. I didn't know that. In my mind, before I came to America for the first time, there was only one Washington, Washington, D.C.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

Yeah.

The Call To Washington State

SPEAKER_02 34:01

Yeah. Washington State, I didn't know there was a Washington state. I thought Seattle was a state, you know. Which was where you reside now, Washington State. Yeah. Yeah. So so I heard the law say, go to Washington. But the more I said yes, I felt there was another Washington. So after prayer, I spoke to my friends. I said, is there another Washington? They said, yeah. They said it's on the West Coast. And it puzzled me a little bit. And then I went back again praying to understand what God was saying more. Then there was a phone call from Washington State to that number. And they said, Well, is there any man in this house called Imano Zigger? And my friend said, Yeah. They gave me the phone. And the guy said, Well, I am Pastor Bill Frizell of the Harvard Covenant Church from Tacoma, Washington. And I just read a PenPal, a letter from a Penpal friend of mine in Africa, who stated that I have a friend called Emmanuel Ziga is in town. Just Penpal News. And that he'll be at this phone number, just Pen Pal news. He said when he read it, God spoke to him. Invite Emmanuel, be his host in Washington State. So he called. I said, You mean you got this phone number through a pen pal, email. Oh, in those days there was no email. Yeah, yeah. You know, mail. Yeah. He said, Yeah. So I said, Can I call you back? He said, Yeah. I went back on my knees. I said, Lord, is this you? He said, Yeah, go. I said, Lord, I have two business deals to strike here. You know, I have no money. And I try again, I would try to talk talk God out of it. Within two hours, those two business scheduled plans called and canceled. I said, Can we reschedule? They said, No, indefinitely. Bang, bang, bang. I knew it was God. God was shutting every door.

Dr Pompa 36:12

Yeah. Opening new ones.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Opening new ones. Even then, I said, Lord, really? I was going on my knees, doctor. I was going on my knees. My knee had bent about 45 degrees. Because I love to kneel to pray. And I felt the hand of God. Physical, the hand of God touched my two knees and rose me up, stood me up. I stood up like a metal sheet. I got up. It scared me so badly. I was afraid. I knew it was God. God personally was in the room. And He he jerked me up. He said, Don't pray if you don't believe me. Don't pray if you don't obey me. I was quiet, shivering. I mean, if God could come that close, that intimate to present, a must-do plan, something you have to do. I never knew that God was that because I had been thought to be God to be very nice, gentle, lovey dovey, you know, happy go, lucky guy, God kind of a guy. But man, I never knew God that way. From the first day I met him, he's been very straight, disciplined, principled, and he never pampered me. God never pampers me. I mean, if I do anything wrong, he was right there. Yeah, to tell me it's right or wrong. That's how how I grew up. Yeah. So when I come to America and people take God so much for granted, it really scares me.

Dr Pompa 37:50

There is a difference when, you know, the God, even the way God works in the in the United States is different when I went to Africa, right? I mean, it's like it's it's it's remarkable, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:03

You know, one day I said, God, you're not an American, are you? Yeah. He didn't respond because he knew I knew the all things. These are all things. So I asked my friends, what was the most um affordable way to go to Washington State? They said, uh, buy the Greyhound baths, because I needed to borrow the money. You know, I had to be very frugal with whatever I had. So instead of flying or going by train, I decided to go with the greyhound. Well, three days, three nights. You know, I was on that trip. I didn't have any extra cash. So I didn't eat at all for three days, three nights. We got to Billings, Fargo. And uh at the bus stop when sometimes the grand bus, though, change drivers, you know. Yeah, yeah. So uh a guy who sat next to me found out that I wasn't eating at all on the fly, on the on the drive, on the journey. And so he got pizza. Give me a little piece. That was my first time I ever ate pizza. So for the three days, three nights, I only ate a little pizza. We got to Tacoma, my friends picked me up. That was my beginning, how I got to Washington State. I went back and forth, back and forth, and uh uh in the year 1990, February, the Lord asked me, what was the name of Rehad Bonke's ministry? Rahad Bonke. I had been listening to Bonke's teachings.

Dr Pompa 39:37

By the way, so when I came to the Lord, there was a part of the story that how I got there, right? I got into a debate with a friend of mine about religion, and he finally said, You've never read it. And I started reading it to prove him wrong. And I was like, no one ever told me this. I thought it was all about do's and don'ts, right? I didn't realize it was about the fact that we can't, and that's why Christ died. So, anyways, long story. I never told him that, but I I ended up on my knees saying, God, if you're for real, show me. I was invited to a Reinhardt Bonkey conference. He was in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, 1991. And um I I remembered I I like you, it was like I I had this draw that I was to go down to the you know, the altar call, and I didn't want to do it, like you, right? Yeah. And then I I saw a person that I knew, okay, that I was working for, okay, a man I really respected. He was in the choir and he looked up and caught eyes with me. And I just I was drawn right down, and that was it. I was like, there I was. And he he voiced like this, he goes, You like like you, God saved you. Anyways, that's my Reinhard Bonkey. And you know what his message was? Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, give to God what is God's. And he was, you know, of course, talking about the coin, but he was saying that give to Caesar what is Caesar's, meaning you, you're from God, come down, right? So I remember that was the heart of his message. Anyway, so Reinhard Bonkey.

SPEAKER_02 41:01

So, so, so, so God asked me what was the name of Bunke's ministry. And uh I was listening to his tapes, but I never make made a cognizant thought about the name of the ministry. Then I found out it was Christ for the nations. Before then, I had been, I had such a passion to seek God more for some reason. For for months, I just had that that this hunger, this inspiration to spend more time with God. And and so I'll spend time, I will fast and pray and pray for hours and read the Bible. God put that in your heart. Yeah, and just stayed, uh just stayed inclusive with God. So I knew there was something he wanted to talk to me about, and I felt he was drawing me into an inner fellowship with him. So when he said to me, What is Bunky's ministry name? I felt, I thought he was going to tell me to join his ministry to help him or to pray for him. Because I love to pray and fast. If those were the only two things I could do, I'll be happy. You still do? Well, thanks. So here I heard that that name, what was it? And I was so happy that finally God has spoken to me. Why possibly I had this passion, this hunger all these weeks. I was in my shower that morning, just taking my bath, and I heard the voice of God again very clearly. He said, And the name of your ministry shall be grace for all nations. He said, Bonk is Christ for all nations. Yeah, Christ for all nations, grace for all nations. And I was it was so clear. I thought everybody on the planet heard this voice. It was so loud, so clear. Under the shower. So I turned around, and and this was in Washington, and I turned around and I thought, who spoke to me? But it was so clear. There was no doubt that it was God. And the entire profile of the call was in my spirit. It was going to be global, it wasn't like a church, it was going to be uh from nation to nation and leadership and all that intimacy with God.

Dr Pompa 43:12

And what was the date here now?

SPEAKER_02 43:14

This was in February, the year 1990. Okay.

Dr Pompa 43:17

So five years, and then God.

SPEAKER_02 43:20

Yes. So now I I dried up myself, got out of the shower, and I was I was breathing, not out of fear, but out of just uh amazement. Yeah, in awe. In awe that God just gave you a vision for this whole for the next level of my life. Yeah. Almost like the reason why I was created, kind of a thing. Grace for the nations. Grace for the nations. And I sat down thinking about it. And the Lord spoke to me again. He said, Don't ever use this name until I tell you when to. So I kept it very quiet in my heart. Then he began to tell me. To fast. So he would tell me, You are going on a 21-day fast from next week. Okay, so I went on the fast. At the end of the fast, he would tell me. Was that a pure water fast? Pure water fast. Okay, because there's different types of fast, right? Yes. At the beginning, it wasn't pure water. I would break it in the evening. So maybe two meals fast, no breakfast, no lunch. In the evening, maybe a soup, light food, kind of a thing. That was my normal average fast style. So 21 days would pass, and then he would tell me, you get ready for another 40 days. When that was done, he would tell me, get ready for another 21 days. I mean, this went on for nine years. And I was just waiting for him to tell me what was next. And he began to interfere with all my affairs. I mean, I could tell that I was no more of my own. He was shifting my life in a good way and and drawing me close to himself. And I began to live a life I never knew existed because nobody ever told me that if you got if God really has his hand upon your your life, it interferes with all your do's and don'ts supernaturally. Naturally. I mean, I play tennis like you will not believe. But I began to lose the passion for tennis. Yeah, I know that feeling. Yeah. And began to have more passion just to be in his presence. Yeah. I would do anything to be in God's presence. Nine years passed by.

Dr Pompa 45:43

Just fasting. And I and you were doing when you say fasting, again, it wasn't nine years of just pure only water. You were just fasting what? A day? A day. And then a light meal at night. Yes. And then the next day. And the next day. Same thing. And then a light meal at night. Yeah, we call that a partial fast. Okay. Which is transformative in the body, by the way. Yeah. It's like, yeah. Partial fasting is typically what I tell people always start with a partial fast because you never fast. Yes. So that went on for a bit. That's amazing. I mean, that's a lot of years. So there wasn't one day in that time where you ate three meals? Seldom. Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

You know, maybe a week. Okay. Yeah. Maybe a week interval. Then I would go on.

Dr Pompa 46:26

Ultimately, look. I mean, it was still a period of a lot of fasting. Did you question why? No. Yeah. That in the days that you ate more, it's because God put you in a situation to eat more. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So you're following the Lord's hand on this.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

I just he he he he has a way of making me know what he wanted. Yeah. I just know that I know. Yeah. I just know that I know. I mean, I didn't need anybody to come and say, well. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 46:57

Hearing this, excuse me, hearing this, I uh I think, gosh, man, I I wish I could hear from God like that, you know? But maybe I don't want to hear from God like that. Maybe not. But uh because who knows what he's gonna say. But I mean I I'm sure other people are thinking like I am. It's like, wow, like, you know, why, why you? You know, it's like you probably asked that question too. You know, it's like, I mean, you're you're privileged. I mean, you've you've heard from God. God chooses some. I mean, Moses probably asked the same question, why me? Abraham asked the same question, why me? Paul has, you know, I we can go down the list. I mean, God uses some at a greater, he communicates to some more than others. He communicates to you a lot, man. Why you?

SPEAKER_02 47:42

You know, incidentally, I don't ask God questions. Maybe that's my problem. He does, I don't ask God questions. Yeah, maybe that's my problem. The the the way he began to engage me with him, I just grew to believe him.

Dr Pompa 48:03

So did you think you didn't think like, wow, I'm I don't want to say special in the wrong way, but like, wow. Privileged or privileged or something. And I don't I don't say that in a negative way. Yeah, I say that because, you know, did you but did you think God was handling you differently than other people? Or did you think this is the way God handles everybody? Well, I I never thought about it though. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 48:25

All right, yeah. It was You were just following what God gave you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was more like uh uh knowing him more, wanting to do everything to please him, to obey him, and so I had to be more in tune.

Dr Pompa 48:39

I mean, clearly God had a purpose for you. Yeah, God chooses some for his glory, and God chooses people for different tasks, and you know, and and you know, I'm uh yeah, so it doesn't surprise me your answer, but here you are. You were absolutely chosen for something huge.

SPEAKER_02 48:56

So now, so now in October 1999, I was coming back again to Seattle, uh, and whilst the plane was about to land at the airport, Sea Tac Airport, I heard the voice of God again. Of course you did. You know, he said all I heard was full throttle, full throttle in its aerodynamic when the the the pilot pulls the gear, full power of the airplane. And so here we were landing, and God said, full throttle. I said, Yeah, Lord, I understand that, you know, in the in aerodynamics, but I knew it was a prophetic word. There was it was deep, it was spiritual.

Dr Pompa 49:32

It was something else.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

So I I we landed, and for the next three days I didn't do anything. I just wanted to hear more. I said, Lord, unpack this, unpack this. I knew I had to seek him. By the third day, he he began to speak to me again. He said, It's now time for you to use the name Grace for All Nations.

Dr Pompa 49:50

And when now how many years is nine years.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

So this this was nine years. When he first gave you that in the shower.

Dr Pompa 49:56

1990. Now we're nine years.

SPEAKER_02 49:59

Yes, 1999, October. Yeah. And he said, the next year, 2000, you you are now going to use the name Grace for All Nations. And he said, uh, make Seattle your headquarters. And he said, Uh uh have three conferences in Seattle. Use your own platform. You don't have to wait for anybody to invite you. And and as I lead you, follow me into the nations. So I told my friends that, you know.

Dr Pompa 50:28

And why we have this moment, where can people find more about your Grace for the Nations platform? Where people can find more and follow you.

SPEAKER_02 50:36

Yes, uh Graceful Nations Ministries.org. Gracefor All Nations Ministries.com.org.org, yeah.

Dr Pompa 50:46

Okay.org.

SPEAKER_02 50:47

So G-F-A-N-M-I.org. G-F-A-N-M-I.org. G-F-A-N-M-I.org. N-M-I.org. Okay, all right. So so February was the year 2000 February was the first meeting. And so the Lord said, as I lead you into the nations, you follow me. Well, he said, every f every February your conference must be on the Holy Spirit. Every June should be on prayer. Every October should be on church growth, apostolic stuff. Okay. So we began by faith. And uh every every February, June, October were our big conferences. And in between, he took us me into the nation.

Dr Pompa 51:30

So February's coming up.

SPEAKER_02 51:32

Yeah. Um in Sierra, in Bellevue.

Dr Pompa 51:35

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe by the time this is aired, you know, we're in February or close to itself. Yeah. Um so can people attend? Yes. Oh yeah. Okay. Where do they go to attend?

SPEAKER_02 51:45

Well, they would they would check on the uh the website. Okay. Our dates are there.

Dr Pompa 51:51

Okay, so go to the website, dates are there. Then they can just enter and come and come up.

SPEAKER_02 51:56

And register.

Dr Pompa 51:57

They will be blessed. My son went.

SPEAKER_02 51:59

Amen.

Dr Pompa 51:59

And he was blessed.

SPEAKER_02 52:00

Amen.

Dr Pompa 52:01

I can assure you. He heard the word of God.

Nations Ministry Stories And Strongholds

SPEAKER_02 52:03

Okay, so. So so in between then, we began to go into the nations. The first nation we went to was India. And India is it's Christians are persecuted. Yeah, are persecuted. It's a tough place as a young ministry to just go into India. And uh it was quite an experience. We had uh conferences and crusades and uh Mumbai, the Chennai regions, and it was quite a spectacular trip. We went back and forth for quite some time, crusades and stuff like that. The second nation we also went to was Scotland. I was speaking in Manchester, England, and a prophet came from Scotland to attend. And after the conference, he invited me to come to Scotland, and I didn't want to go because in my mind nothing was happening in Scotland and my schedules were tough. I was busy. So after I left that conference, I called my friend and said, You know what? Do you remember this prophet from Scotland? I said, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, Can you just find a way of getting me out of out of the invitation in a nice way? Uh whilst I was telling him on the phone, I heard the voice of God. And then God said to me that I'm not sending you to I'm not sending you to just one or two pastors, I'm sending you to the nation and the people of Scotland. Now, at that point of the conversation with my friend, I was trying to say that you know what? If if it's difficult to get out of this engagement, let's allow him to get one or two pastors together for a small seminar, and and then I would come. Because since I left Manchester, each time I was in serious prayer, I would see the guy's face. Come to Scotland. Come to Scotland. When I was not serious in prayer, I wouldn't see him. When I was really in tune with God, I would see his face. So I tried so many ways to get out of this thing. Then I saw a vision of the mountains and the valleys, the the medios, the the agricultural land of Scotland. And I saw wells. There were wells, but the wells were empty in a vision. And I said, Lord, why are the wells empty? And the Lord said, These are the ministries of John Knox, Smith Wigglesworth, and some of the Christian generals who lived in Scotland area there, whose ministries should be by this time be a well feeding the next generation. But the wells are dry. And the Lord said, Go and redig the wells. And Wigglesworth is a I mean, he's a big name. Big name. Yeah. You know, the Jeffrey Brothers and all those um wow, the Wesleys, John Wesley, and all these guys. Yeah, all those guys. And the Lord said, Go and redig those wells. Wow. So I call I totally told my friend the the game just changed. Whilst he was on the phone, I said, now tell your friend in Scotland we are coming. And we are coming. And so begin to organize uh our our arrival. You choose a city, plan it. So they planned it. We flew, we were 22 people from Seattle who flew down to we chose the city of Peterhead or Peterhead, they call it in Scotland. Uh it's a it's a port efficient city. We we booked the entire hotel, uh, took care of all the responsibility, the advertisement brought in the Christian community. Three days I just ministered, taught them the word and encouraged them and all that. Since then, we've had 26 conferences in Scotland. The next nation we went to was was Russia. We were in prayer as well as well, and and the Lord said, I give you, I call you into Russia. I said, Russia? You know, just imagine this: India, Scotland, Russia. These are three axes. Yeah, yeah. Tough places. You know, Scotland, do you know that the Freemason was born out of Scotland? Oh wow, didn't know that. Yeah, in Glasgow. So that first temple of Freemasonry is in Scotland.

Dr Pompa 56:24

Yeah, I didn't realize so that it was a stronghold. Stronghold, right? Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 56:28

So then India also stronghold and Russia. Oh, yeah. Uh, you know. Yeah. Well, since then we've covered a lot of Russia. We've I mean, there was one time we drove.

Dr Pompa 56:37

So when you go into these countries, you're you're doing you're putting together seminars, if you will. Seminars and conferences. Conferences. And um so people on the ground are helping you do that. And that this became the heart of Grace for the Nations, right? Yeah. So and that's what God had in store the whole time. But you didn't even understand that vision. No. All you knew is Grace for the Nations. What does that mean? And then he sends you to India. India. And he does whatever, how many conferences that you did. Scotland, you did all these conferences. And now here. So Grace for the Nations was being born. And now you had a vision of what Grace for the Nations actually meant. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:14

So so now at this point, uh we are available. I mean, we still we we have not been to Russia for the past three, three, four years because of the war.

Dr Pompa 57:23

So how many countries now has God taken you to? I don't know. I don't know. A lot.

SPEAKER_02 57:29

Yeah. I mean Brazil, we we we are Brazil. Very heavy in Brazil, uh South America, Africa.

Dr Pompa 57:37

Yeah. So many countries in Africa. South America.

SPEAKER_02 57:40

Yeah, you know.

Dr Pompa 57:41

And you know, um, so I said I'd gone to Zimbabwe a few times. Um Pastor Langton Gatzi. Yeah, yeah. I was stunned that you knew him. Yeah. Because he made such an impression on me. Uh, I I always tell the story once. Um we we he took me eight hours into the bush, right? And we met this tribe that never met a uh someone like me. I was the only white guy there. And I you know, I don't know, but you could tell that but I I always tell the story there because the men weren't there. They were off hunting, and and this tribe wasn't civilized. They had just come out of the mountain. And so this was the first time that they were like being civilized. And they were putting uh Pastor Getsey was putting a pastor there. And um, I forget how that all went down. But so going in, we had a flat. And because it was in nasty bush. I mean, it took us eight hours, right? And um, I'm thinking, man, like that's not good, right? You know, what if we don't get out? So here we are days later, and I have a lot of stories here, spiritual stories, but days later we're coming out, and I remember I'm up out of the land cruiser and there was this rock garden that we got the flat. I remember, I'm like, here's where we got the flat. And I'm telling you no sooner than I thought the thought. I hear it. I go, I think we have a flat. And he goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And he's driving along. I'm like, I think we have a flat. We had a flat. Anyway, so I get up. I was flying out the next day. Okay. I was there for maybe two weeks, flying out the next day. So all that came to my mind was, oh my gosh, we're stranded, we're done. I mean, there's no cars, there's nothing. We're out. I'm like, what are we gonna do? I'm I'm thinking, like, what possibly is you know going to happen to us? Like, you know, being eaten by a lion. I had all these negative thoughts. Pastor Gadsey gets out. You know what he said? He said, hmm, I wonder what God has for us. Okay, so at that point, I was so humiliated, I was so disgusted with myself. I wanted to go off and just get eaten by a lion. I didn't care. I wanted to die because I was so, I just had this glimpse of like how small I am and how big he was, right? So fast forward, um, we like 200 yards up. I remember this little, these little huts because I was impressed by these little mud huts, right? And he comes there and he's, you know, hello, hello. And this woman comes out and her eyes got as big as saucers, and she says, Pastor Gatsy, right? It's like the whatever she was speaking Swahili or whatever it was, but I heard the Gatsy. And her eyes were like this. She had just traveled a week to get back from the conference that I was speaking at. And I was his conference, this big leadership conference in Zimbabwe. And she went all the way there just to see the man. Okay. Now her best friend was in witchcraft, and she was trying to bring her best friend there. And her best friend bailed at the last minute. Anyways, didn't know all that until later. But so this woman is like telling her husband to do this, do that, you know, go get her flat, right? Help, you know, fix the flat. And her kids, she was telling them to kill chickens. And anyways, it was like the the president was here, right? I mean, at her house. And so I'm sitting here thinking, wow, here we are. We're around this little fire area. And uh, she starts talking about her friend in this whole story. And Pastor Gatsy says, you know, go get her. And so she leaves. And it probably took her an hour to come back. And I'm thinking, man, this is gonna be exciting. The moment this woman came into our space, I was like, oh, whoa, I felt it. I felt it, right? And I'm thinking, man, I can't wait to see this interaction, right? The man of God and this woman who is clearly possessed with some spirit. And by the way, that's why we were there. I'm telling you, this woman just traveled all the way. And the man, I mean, God brings the man that she wanted her friend to go see to get delivered, right? I mean, her prayers, I just got goosebumps, right? She brings the man to her house, takes our tire out just for this woman, right? I mean, I'm telling you, that's God. So, but here's the funny part of the story. So we're sitting there, and I can't wait. And he goes, Dr. Pomba, God's given you the word. And I'm like, I've got nothing. I'm like, I don't have a word. I have nothing. I have no skin in this game right now. And so he just hands me the Bible because he could see I was like, and I just open it and I just read a scripture, man, and it was exact, right? And I read that scripture and then he interpreted, and it was boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and all of a sudden this woman's, you know, crying, uh, and he lays hands on her. All this anyway, I say all that to say it's like that was my African experience. But anyway, so Pastor Langton Gatsi, how did you end up meeting him? Because were you in Zimbabwe for one of these?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:22

No, he was in Ghana for a for a conference. Oh, okay. Yeah, they used to have a conference called the Intercessors for Africa.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:30

Yeah. And and Lincoln Gatsy was one of the speakers. Yeah. In fact, he's one of the pioneers of that group. Yeah. And uh he was being hosted by uh uh Dr. Mekanwakba from Nigeria, okay, a lawyer. Yeah, you know, from the business community. So so we will all be there. And Lincoln Gatsi was one of the speakers. Yeah, you know, from the National. I'm sure he was amazing. He was a tremendous speaker. He speaks with such such authority and eloquence, and he has this stately personality. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Dr Pompa 1:03:00

When you're in his presence, you remind me of him. So that's how I said that. When I saw you at the last thing we were at, I said, You remind me of somebody. Yeah. And you said, I know him. I'm like, what? Like, come on, yeah. Your presence. When he walks in, you know, it's it's crazy because there was Mgabe at that time. And uh, I mean, one of the most horrific dictators killed so many people. And then in that country there was Gatsy, the opposites.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:26

Yeah, opposites.

Dr Pompa 1:03:26

And uh Mingabe did not like Gatsy because he felt like he was gaining power amongst the people, right? So um he had people coming to this leadership conference spying. And uh Mingabe invited me in to speak to his army, and Gatsy said no. And then after a day or so, they prayed about it and they let me go. And I was actually on the inside, another story, but anyway. Interesting stories I I have with Africa.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:52

So so this is this is this is my journey. Um and I have a passion for the planet Earth. You do? Yes.

Dr Pompa 1:04:00

That's why I introduced you that way. I mean, you're a pastor to the nations, not a state, not a Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:05

That there are times when I hear the word nations, I begin to weep. You know, my intercession has been Because God put that there. God called you to that. Yeah, for the nations. Let the nations come to know their creator. Okay. Let the nations come to know Jesus. Uh, we I was in the city of Skov, Skov in Russia. It's about three hours' drive from St. Petersburg. Is the city where Russia was born from. So that city is about a thousand two hundred years old. Russia is about eight hundred and almost nine hundred years old. So that city in Russia is older than Russia. So we drove in there, we had a conference there, and uh you could feel the ancient spirit of Russia right there. And you could feel almost like the the home of communism. I mean, yeah. And uh you see at the statutes of uh uh Lenin and and the fathers of the communism in Russia, and uh you you could just imagine how on earth could people, leaders, grow so uh far away from God to almost make a political uh party out of hating God and communism which is in that in the United States, right? Yeah, uh it can only be an anti-God spirit, I mean evil, I I'm telling you. It's it's it's and but you don't blame them because uh that's all they came to know. You see, that that's where where compassion comes in. So you don't judge them because nothing just happens. Circumstances over the years brought brought them to that place.

God’s Love For Russia And The Rich

Dr Pompa 1:06:00

uh of of of of of believing like that yeah but you know my point here is that in spite of of all those uh data banks of knowledge that those people hated god and would do anything to to take god out of society god still loves them amazing i mean god still loved them and when all our time in russia our conferences and stuff you can feel the love of god for the people wow yeah i mean and i love russia i love the russians of course i've been to kiev as well you know that whole part of the world yeah i can't afford not to love god's people the bible says for god so love the world uh he he doesn't say america no the world you know the world from the north pole to the south pole uh uh uh around the equator the topic of Capricorn the topic of cancer the the nations uh i mean i'm in europe and i feel i feel the love of god yeah i i i am south america i feel uh i feel the love of god and uh asia uh we were just in uh um in the philippines and uh that's the love of god and god's love is it's a mystery you know it is a mystery it's it's it's a mystery how you can love the unlovables i mean people people who just hate you and wouldn't want to have anything to do with god but he just loves loves loves us and uh it makes the grace of god uh so powerful it does so powerful god's grace god's grace god's grace he loved me when i hated him yeah to love you and and and and and he loves you saves you when you allow him as if as if nothing happened you know as if life life has just been good i mean he he he doesn't use it against you ever it's gone your your your past is gone your sins are forgiven as though you never committed a sin and he puts his righteousness in you he puts his wisdom in you he gives you his light you know it's like he takes his own coat and puts it on you you know and cleanse and all we have to do is accept his son that he gave as the final sacrifice and believe it's that it's all that not us that's it we just have to believe that his blood was shed for our horrific sin it's amazing that we were born into sin it's amazing we all deserve death but thank God there's no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus I have been saying that uh Bill Gates, you know Bill Gates and all these wealthy guys and I wonder what it will be like one day when they get to heaven and uh they they get to into eternity and God says that hey all the wealth I gave you uh can can can can you give me an account of how much you use to build my kingdom and you know that would be a tough question.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:13

Yeah the tougher question is is the fact that he rejected his son as a savior well maybe God will have mercy in his life uh he's not done yet so yeah I hope he he he gets saves and he he he gets saved and uh uh Jeff Bezos and all this I have I have a heart for the wealthy because you see when you go to the nations the Lord said it's it's it's harder for them.

Dr Pompa 1:09:38

Yes it's it's tougher for them you see when you go to the nations almost every church has uh uh something for the poor you know food for the poor feed the the hungry program uh whatever uh uh uh use clothing for for orphans it's all over the world but you hardly see a program to save the wealthy the rich it's so funny because you the reason you have a heart for that it's because you really understand God's heart meaning you know people have a heart and have sympathy for the poor yeah right and hopefully but the wealthy they don't because they think you have everything but the fact is most of the wealthy have less less they have less because they they're so far away from God's grace suffering.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:30

They are miserable.

Dr Pompa 1:10:32

You see some of them on the news they are uh they are tranquilizers and uh medium thinking the way the world thinks you think how possibly could you feel sorry for the wealthy for the wealthy well when you understand how lost somebody truly is in in the heart of humanity then you could go yeah I feel sorry for them too because arguably they're further away from God.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:54

Yeah and you know you have no idea how miserable it is to be wealthy to be rich without Jesus without without God you know um they they they need God. So I pray for presidents I pray for for Vladimir Putin I pray for Zelensky I pray for the United Nations and all that.

Russia Ukraine Trump And Spiritual Warfare

Dr Pompa 1:11:15

Aaron Ross Powell getting your perspective because you have a global vision what's you know with Russia and Ukraine I want to get your perspective there which just what's happening right now um I mean God's clearly using Trump. And as a matter of fact I saw God's hand in Trump from the very, very early on and the reason is because the world hated him I said if the world hates somebody this much, my gosh, God must have a plan for this man. And sure enough then we started seeing things happen. Then we started seeing his head turn bullets go by and you know and it became more clear. And that's really the people hate him and they can't even explain why they hate him I go ah ah that shows me that God is using this man. Right. And I won't make an argument for the man whether he's a believer or not salvation or not I know that God's using this man. He used Nebuchadnezzar he used Cyrus he used people that weren't even necessarily believers and maybe he is I I don't know I don't know his heart you know but the fact is um the world's changing because of them. So give us your perspective on some of these global things right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:22

Well well you see I would say that uh the the Russians and the Ukrainians are the same people. They are yeah they speak the same language and their culture is the same they have been so intermarried interwoven that they are literally before God an inseparable so what's God up to there? Well what the enemy is up to first the devil wants to break what God is building you know and uh uh we just have to pray because it's difficult to really say this is this guy this person is innocent or this person is guilty you know it's it is a spirit yeah always it's battle's always spirit it is a spirit yeah you know when when when something can that doesn't make sense that's what I say often you know when something doesn't make sense it's a spirit it's a spirit yes absolutely you know yeah but this thing this it doesn't make sense I mean two different armies speaking the same language against each other yeah you know you know and uh and uh it it's it's a mystery so we are praying binding that spirit of violence binding the strongman of the enemy that's all I can say at this point you know yeah yeah and then you know Trump's doing a lot in obviously South America right now I mean it's amazing to me that there's people in the United States that would say taking this man out, he wasn't even a legitimate president is a bad thing, right?

Dr Pompa 1:13:52

It's like, but yet they're saying it's a bad thing. And you know bombing these drug boats where from satellite they know what's going in that boat. They see it. They know you know and people are still complaining calling them you know uh fishermen and you know oh my gosh or I mean to imagine that one boat had enough narcotics to kill 25,000 Americans and and this has been going on for years. It really But God's saying he's had enough he's answering prayers right now. Those people in I mean in these countries like Venezuela and oh my gosh I mean those people were oppressed. It's like they're gonna have a new freedom I mean God willing.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:34

God willing can you imagine that those narcotics those those uh those narcotic businessmen were loading the boats knowing very well that it was going to kill people. Yeah but they were making money out of it.

End Times Talk And Israel

Dr Pompa 1:14:49

I mean just that that's the concept it's hard to understand but see this battle spiritual yeah it's all spiritual so the nations are uh are being overtaken by foul spirits we have to intercede and pray for God's sake it's going on in Haiti right now I was I was uh Uber driver um mine was telling me uh what was happening there and literally the whole country is the cartel is holding them hostage literally hostage the whole nation we need to go in i i pray I pray I prayed with the man in the cab that day and I prayed that someone puts it on Trump's heart to go in and rescue those people as well I pray for those people man it's sad and of course look you look at you know to imagine that the president of Nicaragua sorry Venezuela will be sleeping and waking up in handcuffs within 24 hours he just went from the the most powerful man is all this tool to that I thought it must be God I said God you are amazing it's unbelievable yeah that things could turn for humans just like that within 24 hours you were way up you know how many people that guy's responsible how many deaths he's people's lives he's responsible for and now God said enough enough you know man I it's I just feel like we're in such incredible times right now so I said we were going to hit on it right it's like I go back and forth right now right in in my mind of where we are in these end times right I mean it it's if we were born or if we were alive uh in the 1930s 40s we would think surely this is the end times the world the world's at war we have someone like Hitler coming against the Jews persecuting them this must be it it wasn't where are we today? Because I'm saying like my gosh it's like this seems like everything prophetically you know if we start seeing the temple get rebuilt where are we man? What's your opinion?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:54

Well uh the there is a prayer I've I have been praying I said Jesus don't come now don't come now because we we are not ready. I know the Bible says he's coming for a church without wrinkles not blemish in my opinion there are many wrinkles and blemishes right now in the church just separate the church the Christians the believers from the world now let's look at those who are the the legs the arms the bodies of Jesus who are supposed to reveal his love his light his knowledge his salvation are we together are we doing the job is he coming for a solid church with tremendous victories in the north south and east and west are we are we in dominion are are we exercising are we dominating the world are we dominating politics and and finance and uh entertainment and education science science and technology are we and but one of the greatest uh reasons why god made man was for purpose of dominion the purpose for making man is dominion you know and so are we are we are we walking in dominion you know the Bible says that and God said let us make man in our image and uh after our likeness that he may have dominion over all creation so purpose was we need our team to have dominion in the natural world we are creating how do we make it happen the only way to have that kind of dominion is to create a man in our image and after our likeness because unless a man is made in our image and after our likeness they can't have the kind of dominion we need to rule the earth so the reason why you were created was for you to have dominion and the image is the key to become to to to dominate so are we do are we dominating are we are we of course there was the fall of man you know Adam Adam lost it and so the Bible says for all men fell short of the glory of God now Christ came to redeem us to restore our glory we need to have the renewal of our minds we need to get back to to how how it was before Adam fell how when you when you look at the scripture uh you know of course when Jesus was asked in Matthew um what would those times be like and he said of course no man will know the day but will know the season and he said that basically the season was when Israel comes back into their land and becomes a nation and arguably that that happened in 1947.

Dr Pompa 1:19:59

Yeah right so could it be 10 years or 100 years from then I don't know what we call a generation could be 80 could be 120 I don't know I mean so you could look at that as different what you call generation I mean do you feel that we're in that season?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:15

I think that we are in that season but you know the scripture says that Jesus is the Alpha Because he said that would be the last generation.

Dr Pompa 1:20:24

Yes he said he said he's the Alpha and the omega the beginning and the end but the Bible also says he's the Alpha the Omega the beginning and the ending ending not the end yeah yeah right it's not the end yeah you know so the end we are in the we are in the ending I don't know how many years that is yeah you know yeah you know yeah so I mean if it's a if it's 80 years I I don't know do the math what is it three years if it's a hundred well then it could be 25 if it's 120 i you know so we're not clear on what or is it the last person that lives a generation you know is it the last person that dies how how can we do the a math with a spiritual atmosphere you know I mean yeah it's it's such a spiritual language we we cannot because he said that nobody knows so no one knows so no math can explain it no but you see we just need to see the seasons and the times in which we are every it could be any day that's what it means therefore yeah yeah I hope Lord I'm not ready I've not finished my assignment but there's so much to to be done so much to be done. I mean when you look at the prophecies that have been fulfilled um it's clear we're in some end times it's like but what's again what's not clear is what that actually means right um yeah I mean it's the the only thing God speaks a lot about is the signs of the times yeah the signs.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:01

We see a lot of signs. Wars and rumors of wars. But the temple has to be rebuilt. It's been it's been it's it's it's in process.

Dr Pompa 1:22:10

I've heard yeah yeah I mean you know right now that seems impossible right because the Muslims have a foothold there's a stronghold there how possibly would they say yeah go ahead rebuild this you know and start doing sacrifices again you know I mean that I mean meaning from man's eyes I I I say that from man's eyes of like wow how could this be done?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:30

Because if we start seeing the temple actually get rebuilt I mean uh you know you know uh you know Donald Trump confirming Jerusalem as the capital of America uh of of Israel Israel yeah was it for that stone to be put to be put in place yeah prophetically shifts many things many things yeah and also acknowledging that Israel owns the Golan Heights no it's no more a Syrian uh property that is very connected you know now Israel is is is now in in her place by prophecy to fulfill this mandate the shift of of the rulership of Israel in Jerusalem uh carries such an anointing on its own that can begin to break ungodly strongholds which had been limiting or restricting the building of the temple you know there's an anointing that is released from Jerusalem when that is in place. And I think that anointing has is is in place now.

Dr Pompa 1:23:40

Yeah I I mean you look back and when Israel came they were 70 years in Babylon captive and all of a sudden you know they said yes but rebuild the temple because God put it yeah on the heart yeah of a non Jewish non-believer if you will uh you know to yes go ahead and rebuild the temple rebuild it and so anyways it happened like that is my point and it came from someone you would not expect right that he said rebuild the temple.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:13

You know I have been uh given a teaching on the patterns of grace sometimes you look at the Bible look at the patterns of how God works yes and uh when it's time to do anything he uses anybody yeah that's it that's my point yeah I mean so something could happen just like that outside of someone yeah in Israel you know I mean those Muslims who seem to be holding that portion of the land could be caught could be converted overnight.

Global Revival Vision And Turning Point

Dr Pompa 1:24:41

That's what I mean you know yeah just we we'll see but we are in some interesting times right now I think we'd all agree and and for someone to be called to the nations and called you know to the globe to the world it's like you know you have to really I mean you're in a very amazing place because right now everything yeah everything is global. We know the news everywhere everything is you know God's working so globally right now and you have such a an influence.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:14

You know one day uh uh on one of those fasts during those nine years of fasting um I was praying and in in in my our guest room in Africa we we with a tambourine I was praising God and pacing back and forth and praying and suddenly I saw heaven opened heaven opened like you know when you go to the airport you see the hanger where they they they they keep the airplanes the the hunger gates are so huge that's how how horizontally it was like the the gates of heaven opened slided flat like that or very horizontal and I saw the globe come out of the throne room of God the globe was spinning on the axis I mean it came down with fire all around it the waves of the of the the rotation of the of the of the globe was fire waves of fire it came down to my my arm's length my weight's height the glory of God was so huge the presence of God was just it could kill you and I felt a song began to come out of my spirit it was a prophetic it was a prophecy but it was a song and and and I was singing in the in the heavenly language and the interpretation was coming in my spirit which said that and my glory and the knowledge of my glory shall cover all the earth as the words cover this it kept going on and I was prophesying I mean this went on for five to eight seconds which in spiritual time zone is long because of the of the virtue the the weight of the glory and when it was done and everything I sang every song I sang it was like the globe was a sponge just absorbing everything I was saying and the glory of God shall cover the earth as the waters cover the sea and the glory of God shall cover the earth as the waters cover the sea and the glory of God shall cover the earth as the waters cover the sea when it was done the heavens opened again and the globe went back to heaven and everything was shut. What do you think the purpose of this vision was it was to release what God had written that one day this earth shall be covered with the glory of God and he he just used a vessel to to confirm it to affirm it To speak it into being, because God will do nothing on this earth except first, spoken by a prophet. Right. You know, Amos 3. God will do nothing except first it's spoken. So maybe God used me to speak it. But that's what I'm saying. My point here is that before he comes back, I'm expecting a global revival. I'm expecting there will be a great revival. A great revival will come. And I'm expecting it. Yeah. From the North Pole to the South Pole. And what I saw that day and what he said through my lips, you know, it's in it's in Isaiah 11, verse 9. And uh, as the waters cover the sea, as the waters cover the sea, my glory, and the knowledge of my glory shall cover the earth. And I'm believing God one day that there shall be such a visitation of God's glory. Every nation shall know him. Every nation, Russia will know God. Ukraine, India, Pakistan will know God. You know, China, all of Far East, Middle East will be completely swallowed by the glory of God. I am believing God. The Australia, New Zealand, the North Pole, the South Pole, all the islands of the seas, the archipelagos, the Hottentods, the Pygmies, those from the Swahili land that you went to, and all the Eskimo land, all the way Greenland, they will be covered with the glory of God as the waters cover the sea. I don't know how. I don't need to think about how his God, his word never fails. I'm expecting it to happen in my lifetime because I saw it.

Dr Pompa 1:29:49

Me too. I expect it's going to happen too. Even Charlie Kirk's death, um, I just saw God using that, allowing it, probably even before Charlie was born, knowing he'd lived 31 years for such a time as this. And look at how I have I someone just said yesterday, the day before, I think it might be the greatest revival of all times what's happening in young people right now through Charlie Kirk. I mean, it's remarkable. I mean, it has impacted. I have had conversations with young people that I never imagined having because they're watching videos, Charlie Kirk's death, everything has influenced them. Maybe this is starting as a starting point. But, you know, again, here in the United States, what's happening with Trump, how we're affecting his country, you know, something's happening, man, and it might be the vision God just gave you that his glory is about to take something big. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:48

You know, you know, a week, a week before Charlie Kirk's death, I was praying, and uh suddenly I saw a vision in front of me. I saw written on a silver plaque the name of Charlie Kirk's ministry.

Dr Pompa 1:31:07

Turning point.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:08

Turning point. I saw turning point, and it fell onto the ground in front of me. And if but but it fell on a very healthy soil. The soil was very humorous, very dark, healthy, the kind of soil any f every farmer on this earth would would love to have. And so I bent down and picked it up. And I saw a turning point, right? I was holding it like this in this vision, and the and the the vision was over. So it was it was at the time when I was asking God, God, what am I going to preach on Sunday, you know, which I normally do every week, Lord? What am I gonna say? And I pray for a long time, fast and pray before He He tells me. So there's nothing I I preach that I just made out of my mind. I hear from God every week. That's my culture with him. Anyway, so then he said, then I said, then I said, Lord, turning point. What am I going to preach? He said, I just give it to you. Turning point. So for three weeks in a row, every Sunday I preached on turning point. The the theme, how God turns things in the Bible. For example, when Moses crossed the Red Sea, that was a turning point. You know, um, and so when David killed Goliath, it was a turning point. So I give scenarios in the Bible where in everybody's work with God, there is that major event that you can tell it's a turning point. I had a turning point in my life. Good. So the third Sunday, before I preached it, was when uh he was shot, I think on a Saturday or something like that. And I was I was troubled. I said, Lord, did I miss you? Did I miss you? Because maybe you were telling me that Charlie Kirk was going to fall because I saw I saw it fall onto the soil. Maybe I should have prayed for him to stop it. I don't know, Lord, what happened? The day he died, the Lord said 1,000 Charlie Kirks have just been released. That's right.

Dr Pompa 1:33:21

Yeah, that fertile soil was to happen with his death. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:26

So he was a seed, yeah.

Dr Pompa 1:33:28

Falling into yeah, that's what I mean now. Look, I mean, uh, it's remarkable. Uh the chapters of Turning Point and all the universities. I mean, God is starting with the young people on this revival that you or God gave you a vision. He is, he's starting with the young people. You know why? Because they have been stolen from uh, you know, the enemy has deceived them. You know, they so much is up against them. I mean, even with social media and the enemy just has had its way from universities, you know, through social media. The enemy has had its way until now. You know, you're seeing God, the battle's spiritual, but you know, that I watched God move that day. And again, just like you know, just like God moves, right? He takes something horrific that humans can't understand, and he works it for good. And he defies the enemy every time. And we're seeing that.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:24

You know, the the Bible says, My waists are higher than your ways. Yeah. My thoughts are higher than your thoughts, Isaiah 55. He's such a brilliant.

Dr Pompa 1:34:33

And you know, and and Erica sees it like she she knew. She knew. Do you do you you think she knew, huh? Well, I think she no I didn't think she knew it was coming. I think she knew it was his death was purposeful. His death had to be. She knew. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Just like Martin Luther King's death had to be, just like Jesus' death had to be, right? I mean, it it couldn't have been stopped.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:05

Well, of course, the scripture says that unless a a con of which falls and dies, it abides alone.

Dr Pompa 1:35:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:11

You know, only God can bring life out of death, you know.

The 50-Day Water Fast In Israel

Dr Pompa 1:35:14

Yeah, only God. Very quick question. Yeah. What made you fast for 50 days just water?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:20

Well, God told me to go to Israel uh to be in Jerusalem and do a 40-day fast. So I left Washington. Left and uh stayed at the TBN guest house. And uh and he put me through 40 days of whatever. It was very, very washing 50. Yeah, yeah. Okay, 40 then. Yeah, yeah, but I stayed till till God, yeah. 50 days, and um it was tough. He it was it was so much God. And he showed me more, he showed me a lot of things. I mean, I wrote I wrote so much with my pen that all the ink was empty in one whole pen. I wrote down so many things on that fast. He told me that Trump was going to be the next president. And he didn't call Trump Trump, he called him 47. I heard the voice of God that 47 will be coming. And I knew he was talking about Trump. Then he spoke to me also many things that will be happening when that happens. And it will be a season in time, and and ever since when I'm praying for Trump, I see Jesus standing in heaven watching him, not not seated on the throne, standing and watching Trump on the earth to do stuff.

Dr Pompa 1:37:02

Do you agree with me that the world hates him because of his chosen because God's using him?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:14

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Because light exposes all the the wrong things darkness hides. Yeah. And and liberates them.

Dr Pompa 1:37:24

So it's like almost like God allows the adversary to see something, or he senses something that he was going to use this man, and he's so many times trying to even take him out with a bullet in this way and that.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:40

You know, it follows it it follows a pattern. Look at the in the Bible, when Moses was born, he was just a little baby. And Pharaoh just sensed that a deliverer was born, and the spirit of assassination was released. And several babies were were killed. So also Jesus as a baby boy. Over 3,000 babies were killed looking for that Messiah.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:08

You know, there's something about darkness, always hoping that they can quench light.

Dr Pompa 1:38:13

I was watching this thing because the you know the holy family mean Mary, Joseph, and Jesus, right? They went into Egypt. Uh, and you know, he his first miracle? Because we don't think about baby Jesus having power. He was still, he was God, and Mary was very aware of this in Joseph, right? And they walked into an area, and this is the really the first recorded miracle, and it was all of these massive gods built out of stone, right? It was um an area of worship. And they walked in and these things fell, and it's recorded, even in Egyptian uh recordings of like, you know, it they fell to the ground. They said that was his first miracle, actually. Yeah. So there's this, all these Egyptian writings are talking about how the holy family and where they visited, and in every place Jesus had an incredible impact as an infant. I mean, it's like we don't think about that. Yeah, it's crazy. There's a there's a great um, it's on Prime. Really? Uh yeah, you should you should watch it. Um it's about the I think it's called Something in Egypt, Jesus in Egypt, or something like that. But anyways, yeah, so that fast 50 days, uh God showed you some things. That's being one of them.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:29

So many things. Yeah, that's been one of them. Uh the so many things he spoke to me about and concerning my future with him as well. Um, things that he was prepared before, things he was showing in me, showing to me, um and the nations. Many, many, many other things also which he didn't show me, but he made me sense them and prayed along certain lines.

Dr Pompa 1:39:59

What is it about fasting that God speaks to us? And I've always encouraged people if you're up against something bigger than you, fast. Because scripturally, right? You know, Josephus, three massive armies coming out of the north, we're dead. Yeah. He called a fast of all Judea and Israel. And they fasted and prayed, and boom, God took them out, turned them on each other. Yeah, right. And and we have many stories like that. Fasting moves the hand of God, and we hear from God. Why? What is it?

SPEAKER_02 1:40:32

Well, another word for fasting is sacrifice. God is a God of sacrifice. A sacrifice is not necessarily in the bloody stuff, but it's a proof of commitment, a proof of seriousness, a proof of engagement, a proof of priority. You know, God is a God of purpose, so much so that you know the Bible says God does not cast his pearls before swine. In other words, anything that is a pearl in God, which is precious, uh, he values it that he he gives it to those who also value it intense. So, fasting, what it does that sacrifice. He sees that sacrifice. He God loves sacrifice. Sacrifice is a powerful principle in the things of God. That's why there could have been no salvation but by the sacrifice of his son Jesus.

Dr Pompa 1:41:25

Yeah, that's that's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:26

Yeah, there could be no grace given except by sacrifice.

Dr Pompa 1:41:30

So fasting is something we all can do. And and you you practice it. I mean, it's like so people watching this, if you have something going on, fast one day.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:38

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 1:41:38

Right? Meaning, yeah, you know, it could be anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:40

You know, it's see, you see, you see, one thing I learned about fasting is that um it's about food. And food is the most common denominator everybody needs. It's a necessity. Food is not not a luxury, it's a necessity. You need food to live. So both the rich and the poor can have something to offer God for a sacrifice. So, so if and and a sacrifice, for a sacrifice to be effective, it must be a necessity. You know, it must be something you can't do without. Yeah, yeah. So when you do without aid, it means you are serious about life. So it registers in God's mind, it registers in heaven, it registers before eternity, it registers before the creator of the world. That this man is serious, these people are serious. So when I'm fasting, let's say my food, I put away my food. I'm saying that, Lord, I'm putting this food on the altar and I need your breakthrough. I need you to help me. I have nothing, I can't help myself, but this is my most important sacrifice. I put my foot on the altar just to let you see how serious I am. This is what I have. And God will, God will take it. God will take it as a deal. So fasting is a deal, making a deal with God. You know, so Lord, I have I have I need a healing, I need a breakthrough, I I need uh to hear from you, I need an open door, I need, I need my business to break open, I need my family to be restored, I need the generations of lives to be transformed before you. Lord, I'm putting my fast on 40 days, no food. But Lord, that if you see my intention, you see my determination, you see my frustration, you see my concern, show compassion. There's something about God who turns to a sacrifice on a table, it's an altar. So prayer is an altar. So the greatest altar ever created was on the cross of Calvary because Jesus became that sacrifice. An altar is only an altar when there is blood on it, there's a sacrifice on it, then it's an altar. And so the the cross is an altar, it's a sacrifice. Life is exchanged. The second thing about altars is that an altar is a place where the spiritual world and the natural world meet. They meet on that altar. So on the cross of Calvary, both the spiritual and the physical met the physical Jesus with the spiritual breakthrough we all needed for our deliverances from our sins. So when you take your food, you know, it could be three days, no food, just water. You are talking about presenting those evidences as your most serious concern that needs to be met by God for you. God will see that it's worth more than the natural cause of the food. It's your life. God sees those maybe six plates of food which you are not eating for three days as life. Your life. It's life on the altar. And God sees that and He He turns around for you.

Dr Pompa 1:45:10

It's amazing. So if people say, I'm gonna do a three-day fast, um what would you encourage them to do? Start with a prayer like that. Yeah, well, well, there's a scripture.

The Power Of One And True Identity

SPEAKER_02 1:45:22

Uh, the Bible uh says that uh in Isaiah 58, verse 6 to 11, it's right there. It's it's a chosen fast. God says, Is this not a chosen fast that I have chosen? Why? Because in those days, the some people did at the fast for careless purposes, just use it to kind of throw a dangle, to dangle a carrot before God and to uh to use it to follow idols. But God said, No, I have a chosen one, I have a disciplined one. When you do it that way, verse 6 says, I will break away the yoke of bondage, I'll remove the heavy burdens, I'll set the captives free, and I'll also remove the oppressor or the oppression. Why God does that, I don't know. But one thing I know about God is that he's a God of purpose and a God of price. Every businessman understands the price to be paid with an investment for a product. God is more than more than a businessman.

Dr Pompa 1:46:28

Amen. I I want to finish with purpose, actually. So this the power of one. Yeah. It's your singular journey of purpose, destiny, and leadership. Something I talk a lot about. You know, training doctors, I always talk about identity and purpose and you know, and leadership, because when people say, show me how to build my business, show me how to affect more people, show me, I'm like, well, let's start with your identity, you know, because I believe that if you truly see yourself the way, you know, who God made you, that's you'll step into your real purpose and you'll see and step into your real destiny as well, right? And then you're able to lead at that point. You are very big into leadership. You know, you've equipped many in the nations to be leaders when you come into these countries. Talk a little about this book, The Power of One, and talk about purpose and destiny. Because I think that right now, as we're talking about where the world is and where we're heading, where God's heading it, we need leaders. And there's leaders watching right now that probably don't even know they're leaders yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:36

Well, it's no, the the power of one simply is it's it's it's unbelievable how God can use one person to change the world. The power of one person. And how God built a human with the capacity big enough for God to dwell in and use that one man to turn around a generation like Jesus. God the Father lived in Jesus to change our world and give us salvation. Like Billy Graham, God used just one man and turned many nations to God. The power of the world. Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk. Albert Einstein, you know, whatever uh the the the law of relativity, how it changed physics and gave a foundation to many inventions we have to today. Isaac Newton. Uh what is it about one man that God has always used? So the basis of that was that one day I was in prayer and I was sobbing. I said, Lord, I need to finish my assignment on the earth and and I need your help. And and so I was talking to God. Then he put my spirit to Judges chapter 6, where Gideon was afraid of the enemy that came to destroy Israel. And he was hiding behind a wine press. He didn't want to be the chosen one. He didn't want to he he was afraid, he was intimidated. Yeah, and so an angel appeared to him and said, Hey, thou mighty man of Valor. And he was he was completely That was his true identity. Yes. You know, he was completely blown away that I'm timid, I'm the smallest in the family, my family is the smallest.

Dr Pompa 1:49:28

Those were false identities.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:29

I'm the smallest, I'm from the smallest tribe.

Dr Pompa 1:49:31

I'm from I'm small, small, small.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:32

Yeah, very insignificant. And God said, No, you may be insignificant, insignificant in your mind, but not in my plan. You are big. And so the power of one man, that's that was the the concept where it came from. And so the Lord spoke to me and said, Emmanuel, you could be one man, but you you can imagine what I what I can do with your life. You know, so instead of looking at the negative, begin to expect me to. Work with you, to work with you. You know, so purpose was given to Gideon. Gideon lost his purpose. And because it's a when you you be you feel insignificant, it's a proof that you've losing your purpose. That's why people commit suicide. Yeah. Because they've lost their purpose. There seems to be no significance for them to live. So they take away their life, which is a deception. But once you find your purpose, that's contentment for life. That's for fulfillment. And God can use you, just yield to God.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:35

He will.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:36

You know, I say that God and one man is a majority.

Dr Pompa 1:50:40

That's right. That's right. Look for, I did a podcast, I did, it was a solo podcast I did on identity and stepping into who God really made you, right? Because we all have false identities that take us from our purpose and from our destiny. So false identities come from typically the people we love, our parents, and it's and it's not purposeful, meaning that they're not doing it to hurt you. They we just do things, right? You know, our friends, teachers, coaches give us false identities, and we unfortunately believe them, and it takes us out of our God-given purpose. And then it affects the destiny and then the leadership that God needs us to be, the leader that God needs us to be. And I believe God's raising up leaders right now. He is, he's raising up leaders right now. If you're watching this podcast, I'm telling you, you're meant to be here. They can get this on Amazon, right? It's on Amazon. Read the power of one. God has purpose in your life, but you're gonna have to step into the true identity and understand, like Gideon, who God really made you to be. And dude, that's what you you'd been teaching that for a long time. Yeah, for a long time.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:47

I mean, I I I always tell people that you are not you're not an American. I'm not an African, I'm a child of God. Yeah, amen. Right? You know. It changes the entire you are a partner with God. Yeah, because we want to put identities on ourselves.

Dr Pompa 1:52:03

Black, white, African, American, identity, identity, identity, Russia, Russia. Yeah, we are that's why you're a global pastor.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:11

You know, I leave Scotland and I come to England, and I can't tell the English people I'm from Scotland. I I that I just came in from Scotland because they hate each other. Yeah, yeah. There's so much pre prejudice between the Scottish and the English, the Welsh and the Irish. Yeah, yeah. You know, northern Germans and southern Germans. So it's not about color. It's a spirit. It's a spirit. It's a spirit. Yeah. Castes or spirits.

Dr Pompa 1:52:37

Yeah, it's all spirits.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:38

Yeah. It's a diff it's a it's a strange spirit to separate. Like Russians. Russians against the Ukrainians. They are the same people. Yeah. But the Russians.

Dr Pompa 1:52:48

I mean it's really it's the enemy's oldest thing, isn't it? If he can cause separation, he'll cause chaos. And if he can cause chaos, he'll cause, you know, lives to be ruined, disruption, etc. But Jesus is the opposite.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:59

Jesus is the opposite. He's the opposite.

Where To Follow And Final Blessing

Dr Pompa 1:53:01

He he brings the peace. Yeah. Shalom, shalom. Shalom, shalom. Absolutely. You know. Yeah. So. Oh man. Okay. So how do people tell him your website again? Because people are going to want to follow you now. Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:13

Yeah. It's Grace for All Nations, but the the acronym is G F A-N-M-I.org.

Dr Pompa 1:53:22

Yeah. G-F-A-N-M-I. And your conference, you know, let's you know you be blessed. Go to this conference. It's in Washington State. It's in Washington State. Bellevue. Yeah. And uh find out details at the website, of course. In uh the book on Amazon, but anything you're doing, you do a podcast, I was on it, actually. Yes, yes. Uh can they find that on the same website there?

SPEAKER_02 1:53:46

On the same the same website.

Dr Pompa 1:53:48

If you want to be blessed, yeah, if you want to drive the purpose that God has given you, find that purpose and change your destiny. Follow this man. Follow this man because you're changing the world, you're changing the nations. Well, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:02

So are you. Hey. You know, it's it's what you are doing that that has brought me here. I flew all the way from Seattle to Salt Lake City. Thank you. Because of your values.

Dr Pompa 1:54:12

Yeah, well, thank you. I God values me enough and loves me enough to bring you here. I love you, brother. All right, yeah. Follow, like and share the podcast.