IT'S NOT ANXIETY IT'S THE WAY YOUR BRAIN IS WIRED — THIS TEST PROVES IT

Why Brain Patterns Get Misread

SPEAKER_01 0:00

ADD, ADHD is the most misdiagnosed thing that I see.

Dr Pompa 0:04

Our thoughts do create more inflammation. Our thoughts do create, you know, cellular problems. But how do we get our thoughts right?

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Medication doesn't change your brain patterns that much. I think that sometimes we think medication, right, just like goes in and does all the things. Really, most medication might change your brain one standard deviation. It's not gonna hide anything from me. There's no bad brains or good brains. All brains are good. It's a matter of what is your brain doing that's serving you really well, and what can we hone to make your brain serve you even better?

Dr Pompa 0:34

Is it true, or is this just a myth that some people's brains literally they don't ever get wired? You're gonna want to stay tuned for this podcast because we get our brain maps, and my wife keeps hitting me with this. Well, you see, as you see. But this show, anxiety, chronic pain, depression, we talked about it all. This is an upstream slit. Trauma, trapped emotions. I'm telling you, this is a fast way. You're gonna love this show. I learned so much. Stay tuned for this episode of the Dr. Pompa podcast.

What A QEEG Brain Map Reveals

Dr Pompa 1:11

I'm about to have my brain mapped. Angie Noak, what is brain mapping?

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Um, well, first off, thank you so much for having me. Yes, uh, my company is Brain Code Centers. We're one of the largest brain mapping and neurofeedback companies in the country. A brain map, which is what we're gonna do today, is a it's gonna be it's so cool. It's so exciting. It's a quantitative electroencephalogram. So similar to an EEG, I know it's a like the biggest word ever. That's why we call it a Q EEG, so you don't have to mouthful that. But it's kind of similar to an EEG or like a spec image, except that we're not only looking at something structural, right? So it's not that we won't see it if someone's had a brain injury or a concussion. It's just that that's not the only thing that we're looking for. We're looking at the electrical and the neurological wave activity happening in the brain. And literally everything is gonna show itself to us in neurological patterns.

Dr Pompa 2:06

So you're not gonna see a brain tumor. So don't even ask.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

I won't.

Dr Pompa 2:10

No, she's always thinking she has some tumor of sorts. So I am. We can cut that. Yeah, I wish. No, no, no, we're not cutting out, no cutting.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

That's not true.

Dr Pompa 2:17

No, no cutting.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

The guys want me to like them. Uh-uh. I won't necessarily, it's not that I'll see a brain tumor, right? But actually, I have seen indicators of something else like structural or metabolic or something happening in the brain. So many years ago, I had a young woman who did a brain map. We kind of saw some funky stuff for, you know, lack of a better term. I did send her to a neurologist, and she did have a brain tumor. Um, it was benign, but you know, so it was something that, you know, I was gonna, I was not gonna, you know, diagnose that, but I said, hey, I just think it would be a good idea to to go have a look.

Dr Pompa 2:48

Okay, so I I mean, I think this is the most important question people want to how who needs this? Who would want this? And, you know, I mean, in what conditions would you be like, this is when it is absolutely needed.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Absolutely. So I would say, I mean, everybody can benefit from neurofeedback, right? Is that's operant conditioning of the brain. It's creating plasticity, it's changing brainwaves, right? So anybody who is struggling from anxiety, depression, trauma can benefit from training their brain to be better. I work with a lot of peak performance people who just want their brain to be a little bit faster, a little bit more dialed. Now, there's obviously levels of need, right? Someone who maybe is having crippling anxiety or, you know, horrible insomnia or different things like that, I think would probably be higher need. But then I also work with people who are going, man, you know, I'm I have an aging brain as we all do. And I just want to make sure that my brain is staying as fresh as it can for as long as it can.

Dr Pompa 3:44

And that's how you ended up here today. And my wife's here because she was like, you have to interview her because what you just said, she wants her brain to be sharper. I think everyone does, right? I mean, but it's like that's what attracted her, your friend, right? Cavita, our friend Cavita. All of our friend Kavita, too. You need this, you need this, right? And anyways, it was like one of those things that uh it was like, okay, now I'm really interested. So we're not just mapping the brain looking for potential um problems, but it's a rewiring. We're gonna rewire the brain once we get this map, correct?

SPEAKER_01 4:15

That's exactly right.

Dr Pompa 4:16

Okay, you're gonna see this done. Okay, so yeah, well, I'm gonna have my team put up pictures of me getting the wiring because they're gonna wonder what it looks like to get this done. Yeah. So throughout the show, we're gonna show some pictures of me actually getting it done and and my wife, because we're both getting this done.

SPEAKER_02 4:30

Yes.

Dr Pompa 4:31

Um, okay, yeah, but isn't that the story? The how you how she got here, right? Yeah. So what was your conversation with uh Cavita?

SPEAKER_02 4:37

I mean, I think Cavita was just excited about doing it. Yeah. And and the results from it. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 4:42

So did she get her children done too? I don't remember. Did she? She did. Yeah, that's why that's why I remembered that part of the show. That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

So Rachel and I were in Florida um and have been there a few times. She's, you know, a good friend now. Um, but uh, they had connected and she was like, I really want to do this and wanted to bring her family into it. And then we also know Randy as well, and you know, have met with these different people. But that's exactly right that I feel like sometimes the brain seems so kind of vast and it's doing its own thing, and we focus on health kind of neck down. And the brain is absolutely, it's not a muscle, it's an organ, but it works like a muscle that it can be trained and changed and controls everything. It could be control everything.

Dr Pompa 5:20

And that's the thing that I teach. I I teach at these, you know, seminars, all the big seminars, health, every day. And I'm always reminding, especially doctors, wait a minute, innate intelligence, it's here. This is what does everything. It's what formed you, every organ of the body. Two cells come together. The first thing that's made is the brain, then it grows a little tail, there's the spinal cord, then off of that it is your organs, every cell created from the very here's the blueprints. That's right. Yeah, exactly. And to this day, your brain has the ability to heal anything. The problem is, is when it's not firing and wiring correctly, then then we have, we were wondering why our gut won't heal. Remember, that's only the second brain. Okay, this is still the first. And we're wondering why we don't feel well. Your body's trying to find balance. Here's what I found over my ears. When people just don't feel well, they can't figure it out. The first place I look to is the brain. Now, my expertise is detoxing the brain. My brain phase is what changed my life. It's changed thousands and thousands of people's lives because interference here from a toxic standpoint causes bizarre hormone problems, bizarre problems, period. But we're talking about things that could have been wired wrong from the beginning. We're talking about injuries. So tell me what we're looking for a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

That's such a great question. So it's kind of all of the above, right? That everything shows itself to us in the brain. We have,

Injury Toxins Trauma Show Up On Maps

SPEAKER_01 6:48

you know, kind of nature versus nurture, right? Biology, what our parents gave us. Maybe you have parents with a really fast processing speed or trauma that they experienced and then pass on inner utero trauma that happens. But then also things along the way. You know, I work with a lot of athletes, uh, maybe people who have had concussions or very high stress or mold or Limes or these other things that are happening. And also we can see those patterns in the brain. Now, is neurofeedback going to go in and detox the brain from mold? Absolutely not.

Dr Pompa 7:18

That's what I do.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

That's what you do. So that's where we have these amazing partnerships where I could see something in the brain and go, this is a pattern for internal inflammation. You have all this slowing in the brain, right? Somebody who maybe is dealing with mold is foggy and lethargic and feeling, like you said, not themselves.

Dr Pompa 7:34

Yeah, but here's what I want to add though, because uh mold is a great example of this, right? So people for mold, uh unlike heavy metals, it takes years to get heavy metals out of the brain, right? And I've taught how to do that safely and correctly for many years. Mold is easy to get out of the body, but the problem is it leaves people in a bad neurological pattern. That's right. You know, a cellular danger response, if you will, meaning I'm gonna save your life hypersensitive to not just mold, other chemicals, but also when I was sick, it left me just, you know, not right. Yes. Okay, so can you number one, can you see that? Number two, have you corrected that?

SPEAKER_01 8:13

That's exactly what we do. Yeah. So you do the you do the detox and you work with people to get themselves to a healthier state physically. But you're right. Then we're left with feeling very unwell neurologically. And so how do we then go in and change that? That is the neurofeedback. That is changing the brain, getting you back to a place of homeostasis, back to a baseline where you feel really good. And people do ask those questions. How do I get back to where I was? Before this, I felt, you know, really good. Now some people are like, I've never felt right. But those people who went from feeling good to feeling terrible, how do I get back here? That's retraining of the brain.

Dr Pompa 8:48

What about people like, okay, this is my my wife's here because she wants to really learn more about this.

SPEAKER_02 8:54

I can't wait till I can unload on all the things that I want for you.

Dr Pompa 8:57

Okay, great. Actually, no, okay, go ahead. You chose to be here. You wanted to be here. I should be. Now I know why. Okay, okay. Because here's why. Um, you know, it's like she has, you know, she would say your words. Yeah, no, choose your words quickly. Because I'm like, okay, I'm already in trouble. Um the lack of ability to focus. I don't know. What do you want to call it? Yeah, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

I'm I have a very busy brain. Yeah. Very busy. Absolutely. So when I sit down, busy brain.

Dr Pompa 9:28

That's what we're gonna call it. Okay, busy brain. I like that. All right.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

That's exactly what it is.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

I'm always thinking about something or 10 things at once. Do you feel like you struggle with any type of anxiety, or do you just feel disappointed? I really actually do not have anxiety. And that's a so that's a good distinguish, right? That you know, somebody who has a really busy brain, you know, maybe lack of focus or lack of task completion or task starting, things like that. That's one thing. I I might have anxiety if I didn't have to calm yours down all the time.

Dr Pompa 9:55

But no, but no, Angie just nailed it though. That she described it perfectly. The lack say it again, the lack of ability to finish a task.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Even if you don't start a task, start a task, start a task completion. Yeah. You might have like a bunch of tabs open in your brain all the time. And it's like, okay, wait, how do I go? But it's different than somebody, somebody might have anxiety on top of that. And somebody might be like, actually, I don't really struggle with anxiety. It's just this. Those are very big distinguishers in the brain. And I'm so excited to do your brain map because we're gonna see those distinguishers of okay, your brain is doing this really well for you. There's no bad brains or good brains, right? All brains are good. It's a matter of what is your brain doing that's serving you really well, and what can we hone to make your brain serve you even better? Great.

Dr Pompa 10:37

Is this gonna be one of those situations where you map her and you're like, oh my God, this explains everything. I mean, I don't think we've ever seen a brain wired like this. I think it might be for you.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Maybe now we know. Well, we we always talk about our kids, so it'll be interesting to see the combination of um of brains.

Dr Pompa 10:58

Well, you know, my brain is is gonna be different in the sense that these, by the way, these are for these.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

Okay.

Dr Pompa 11:06

So that's why stuff yaked up. All right.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

I've never done a podcast with a couple of this, it's my favorite.

Dr Pompa 11:12

Okay, all right. Anyway, so here's what I was gonna say. Okay, good, because she probably was re uh miswired of like really trying to choose my words. Miswired from the utero from birth. Okay. She admitted it. Okay, and then me on the other hand, I you know, I did. I had, you know, a lot of mercury in my brain. Yeah, you know, mold illness, I mean a perfect storm of things.

SPEAKER_03 11:37

Yeah.

Dr Pompa 11:37

So even though mine was all the way back from you know, year of 2000, yeah, will you still see patterns? Do you recognize that stuff? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 11:45

Think about your brain map as like a tapestry, right? That all of these different things

A TBI Story And Brainwave Basics

SPEAKER_01 11:50

have kind of come together to create who you are now, right? I'll ask people, you know, I'll look at a brain map and go, hey, do you have any type of concussion history? And they're like, well, yeah, but maybe 30 years ago, right? But that, you know, that's I don't deal with that anymore. It doesn't mean that maybe you're still showing all of these symptoms, but absolutely your brain is still gonna show kind of that little pattern, right? That little imprint. Your brain map is like your fingerprint, right? We're still gonna see it, but you're not beholden to the way that it is right now.

Dr Pompa 12:15

I can't wait. And by the way, you're gonna all be able to watch uh the results get delivered. We're gonna do another show on the results where we all learn. So remember, this is a part one of a part two. Um, so hang in there. Oh, and by the way, everyone listening out there, this is really important. You you can do this remotely.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

Absolutely.

Dr Pompa 12:33

Yeah, and you also have uh what, five so clinics around the brick and mortars that they can go to as well?

SPEAKER_01 12:39

Yeah, so we do have offices. I'm located in Denver. My business partner is located in Tulsa. We do have an office in Dallas. But if you're not in one of those areas, we have a phenomenal global remote program where basically we ship you equipment anywhere. So I have people training with us in Dubai, right? That have no ability to pop into Denver, you know, really quickly to do a brain map. I'm gonna ship you everything. We'll do the brain map. And then yeah, you have a headset at home that you utilize from the comfort of wherever. Fantastic.

Dr Pompa 13:06

I want to hear your story. Pain to purpose, right? I mean, uh, you know, you're here for a reason. You and your partner, because your partners in this business have a story. So you can kind of tell both your stories.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

Yeah. Well, I'll probably I'll let Rachel tell when she does the follow-up.

Dr Pompa 13:19

She's actually doing the follow-up. Yeah, she's doing the follow up. We get to meet Rachel.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

Yeah, so you'll like TBD on her story, which is absolutely incredible.

Dr Pompa 13:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

So growing up, I was probably miswired. We're gonna use it from Is that what we're using? Is that what we're using now?

SPEAKER_02 13:32

Can we say miswired? I was the miswired, yeah. I'm the miswired one, right? It's like being a misfit.

Dr Pompa 13:37

I got I got miswired. You were miswired. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

I think you were miswired too. You just maybe. And she's right.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

It's like all the way I think that we're all dyslexic. And I think I just I don't have a problem with that. I, you know, honestly, to kind of own it. It just is what it is. You're superpower mutually, right?

SPEAKER_03 13:54

It's true.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

So mine, mine was not a superpower. I was like the most just underachieving young person ever high school. I maybe graduated with a 2.9 if I'm being generous. And Christmas miracle that I got into college, and like every underachiever in the world, it was always, okay, I'm gonna get it together over there, you know, and then I'd get to college and not do anything. But I was playing sports and just kind of, you know, living my best life with doing absolutely zero school work. And then between my sophomore and junior year, like I just sports. Like in what world did I think that I was gonna have a successful life? Just doing nothing, being very apathetic, right? I love the social, didn't love anything else. And then between my sophomore and junior year, I went home to see my family, and I went to donate blood because I was an underachiever, but you know, kind of a good person. Making some cash on the side. Yeah, like I never did that, but I've heard that they do this. But like trying to live the next one. That is something that students do, absolutely. And I went to leave and I locked up, passed out. And the way in which I fell, I suffered a skull fracture, traumatic brain injury.

SPEAKER_03 15:01

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

So I was in intensive care for quite a while. And then upon being released, I was actually released in a walker because I wasn't able to walk on my own at that point. And truly, like it was kind of one of those wheels and deals with God, right? That I was like, Lord, I if you heal me, I will, I'll change my life. Because I very much realized at that point, like, what if I wasted it? You know, what if I wasted a very perfectly healthy functioning brain on lack of achieving and and not caring? Cause at that point I had no short-term memory. I was, you know, forgetting things. I couldn't walk. And through a lot of very Eastern medicine, alternative medicine, very, you know, holistic forms of of medicine, I was able to find healing. Um doctors were very much like, hey, this might be as good as it's gonna get. And my mom was crunchy before it was cool to be crunchy and said, yeah. She was like, we don't accept that. That's you know, that's a no.

SPEAKER_03 15:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Um, and so truly I I feel like even if I could go back and change it, I wouldn't. Right. That it really is my that is my purpose now. That I believe that, you know, the Lord gave me that opportunity for growth so that I could now work with people with brain injuries and work with people who feel very stuck in a brain that's not serving them well. And I know that there are ways to change that.

Dr Pompa 16:14

That's awesome. Right. Oh my gosh. So when you mapped your brain, like, you know, what did what did you see? I mean, what was the feedback? What did you see? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

So I do see a pattern for an older brain injury, right? So I did a brain map, you know, years down the road, and I saw a pattern for an older brain injury, which is a little bit of excess delta. So all humans have the capability of producing the same brain waves. Delta sleep, theta drifting into sleep, alpha is a receptor that moves the brain around, beta clean energy, high beta fight or flight. And a very common pattern of head injuries is usually a little bit of delta, right? So some excess sleep wave activity happening during the day doesn't serve us well, makes us feel kind of foggy, can have some memory issues with that. And then the rest of my brain is was all high beta, just fight or flight, anxiety, like stress, just overactive, which made sense for how I felt all the time. I always felt like I was freaking fighting for my life. And through a series of neurofeedback training, I was able to, I mean, I show no delta now, and my high beta is significantly more under control. That I haven't had a panic attack in seven, eight years. It that doesn't even resonate with me anymore. It's amazing.

Dr Pompa 17:26

Yeah, so and you have focused, I mean, everything changed.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

So it's an ongoing though process too.

SPEAKER_02 17:31

I mean, you've how long have you been doing this?

SPEAKER_01 17:33

Oh, so I really honestly don't train now. I mean, I very much have access to all the neurofeedback equipment in the world. And

How Neurofeedback Trains New Pathways

SPEAKER_01 17:40

I will occasionally do some booster sessions. Hold on.

Dr Pompa 17:42

So you when you say train, so you got your mapping and then you train retrained your brain.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

That's right.

Dr Pompa 17:47

That's kind of what you're asking, right? So explain that process. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

So the actual neurofeedback that we do is operant conditioning of the brain. It is reward-based training. We're teaching the brain to create new neuropathways. Think about puppy with treat, right? You tell the puppy to sit, you give it a treat, it repeats the behavior because it wants the reward. Sure. Right? Yeah, eventually we can take away the treat and it still knows how to sit, as now that's a new neurological highway in its brain, right? Right. We have neuropathways to everything. When we wake up in the morning, we don't have to relearn how to walk, how to talk, how to eat. We already know how to do that.

Dr Pompa 18:20

Right learning how to ride a bike's neurological. You follow and each time a little bit better, and all of a sudden your brain wires it in.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

That's exactly right. So the actual neurofeedback, I would say, usually takes between like six to nine months. Usually, if you're doing it in person two times a week, if you're doing remote three to four times a week, they're only 20-minute sessions, right? So really you're doing this a certain amount of times kind of where you're you're locked in, you have an app on your phone that you're engaged with. And then the rest of the time, your brain is still utilizing those patterns, right? So very much like anything, once we commit that new skill to permanency, it's not like we have to keep relearning it. It's like done. It's like generating riding a bike. It's just like riding a bike. Or learning any skill, right? Any skill, yeah. We have to practice, but once you get it, now your brain gets it and is utilized.

Dr Pompa 19:07

And you're literally doing most of that training either from your home computer or your phone.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

That's right. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 19:11

Wow, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Yeah, and you do have equipment if you're remote. You have a headset, you know, that has electrodes on it. They're not putting any stimulus in, they're only picking up information. Um, but absolutely, yeah, that it's all of that exterior form of reward stimulus.

Dr Pompa 19:25

So, our uh son Simon, you could probably speak to this better because you found that in California, remember? Um, he went to it, but it was complicated. I mean, he uh it was the same principle. I mean, the guy was out of uh USC. Um and I mean, but they had him there, he had to go there, they had them all wired up, and then it was a reward system, like he would start to control the screen or something. Yeah. Is it very similar to that?

SPEAKER_01 19:50

I'm not exactly sure. What now? If you were to tell me what type of scan he did and what he was doing, I would know. Um, but probably honestly.

Dr Pompa 19:56

They mapped the brain, and then it was he watched videos, yeah, and it was like if he like started going, it would be like a like it sounds like it.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Yeah, that people will test the system, right? That's it.

Dr Pompa 20:06

But it was not this simple though.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

It was much and how many years ago we have met. Yeah, that's my point.

Dr Pompa 20:11

Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

I was gonna say, yeah, we I mean, neurofeedback, I've been asked before, did you create neurofeedback? I'm like, wouldn't that be so sick? No, right? Neurofeedback started in the 1940s. And honestly, I would say even in the last 30 years, the efficacy has gone up significantly, right? We have better software, we have better equipment, we have a lot more peer-reviewed articles and research to really back the science of what it does. Right.

Dr Pompa 20:31

Yeah. Yeah. This guy, I interviewed him. This is what back when I did cellular healing TV, and he was a neuroscientist. So he was into like, you know, he probably was talking a little bit over people's heads, but um, it was very interesting conversation. It was basically rewiring the brain. Yeah. Right. Um, and you know, really getting matter of fact, when we were there, I was shocked. I thought it was going to be people with different injuries. The it seemed like every time I was there, it was like CEOs from companies that were there to get their brain to perform better.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

That's right. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 21:03

And we were at a like a clinic, you know. I mean, they wired them up, right? I mean, it was like, but there, I was like, oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

I work with so much peak performance, so many professional athletes, CEOs.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

Maybe it was actually peak, like peak brain institute or something. Have you heard of that?

SPEAKER_01 21:18

I have heard of that. And you said in California.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

I think out of Orange County, I think is where he we we took. Yeah, he was from.

Dr Pompa 21:23

I he taught at USC. You don't have the name of the doctor, do you?

SPEAKER_01 21:25

I'm I'm actually looking for the emails.

Dr Pompa 21:27

I think he taught at USC.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

I um that's so interesting. No, I when you say that, it that absolutely jogs my memory. And I'm sure, honestly, from what you're telling me, it's absolutely some type of neurofeedback. There's actually a documentary on Netflix called The Quarterback.

Dr Pompa 21:41

But that was my first introduction to it and seeing and seeing the results.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

But you there's a Netflix uh uh so Kirk Cousins is a you know professional quarterback and he talks about doing neurofeedback. Now, obviously, he's probably also, you know, had I can't even imagine how many concussions. But also, let's say, you know, as an athlete or as a CEO or any Maybe neck down your comparable to these other professional athletes. Andrew Hill.

Dr Pompa 22:04

That's it. I know is Andrew.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Peak brain. It is peak brain.

Dr Pompa 22:07

Andrew Hill.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

I'll look that up. It sounds peak brain absolutely sounds familiar. Yes, he's a C. But um, no, I will remind me of that. I'll look that up. I will. Okay. Um, but yeah, I mean, you know, you might be comparable neck down to these other quarterbacks or these other people. So what's your edge? Right? What's that thing that's kind of setting you apart? That it is always going to come back to your brain. If you're a little bit faster, a little bit quicker, your reaction time.

Dr Pompa 22:30

That's why the CEOs were there. Heck yeah. They were getting that, you know. And and I I remember the one I spoke to, and I was just curious. I'm like, why are you here? You know? And he was, yeah, I'm just trying to get my brain to work better. I'm a CEO of a company. I'm like, is it working? Yes. I mean, I was my first time. He was like, it's why I'm here. That's right. It's working. I was like fascinated by that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

That's amazing. But you think about right now, you know, at that time, I'm sure they're coming two times a week. God knows how far they're driving. They're there for let's say 50 minutes. We live in a day and age where that just is not necessarily the case, right? That you might be traveling three, four weeks out of the month. Like, how do you, you know, how do you make that happen? Do you hire somebody concierge to come do that? That's where the remote program comes in. That is, oh my gosh.

Dr Pompa 23:14

I mean, it brings the price down. I mean, every we price top dollar. Barrier to entry. It's like you don't have to do that anymore.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Yeah. We would have, I mean, gosh, even before, well before COVID, when we didn't have a remote program, which we helped develop, um, I would have people fly in for a month and they would come every single day, right? They were doing an intensive, which really, you know, in the scheme of things, I don't think is the best way to do it, but that's the time that we had, and we were gonna get those sessions in. Um, but now people can do it from anywhere.

Dr Pompa 23:42

Yeah, that that's that's incredible.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Are we going home with equipment today? I don't even tease. Like, I'll I'll send you home with anything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

Let's get it going. I'm gonna leave our time. I know we're probably gonna break my dysfunctional, so I'm ready to get things put back together as fast as possible. I am so miswired. And that means that I would like double the set for him. Misswired. Oh, we're just we're doing it at time. And I'm I'm thinking if we should call the boys in too. And it's not your fault. Let's sign up our CEO. Where's Daniel? Exactly.

Dr Pompa 24:12

But remember, you're miswired. It's not your fault. It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

It's and it'd be it's fun. It's probably fun to do the kids of the parents.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

It's doing full families is the absolute coolest.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

Because then we have official like, you know, data to actually blame things on. Like it's not just, it's just not happenstance or hyperbole. It's like race.

Dr Pompa 24:33

We're gonna walk around going, you need rewired again. Um, you know, it's funny.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

It's honestly like your detailing cycle. It's like race though, right? Just to understand, like, hey, this is it brings about, so I have mapped, I mean, obviously, you can't know me and not do a brain map. If you have not done a brain map and you know me, like what am I doing wrong? Right. Right, right. And a while ago, I mapped my sister and my brother-in-law. And I I knew what their maps were gonna look like. Um they have a child, but a um, it's my sister's stepdaughter. Okay. But my brother-in-law is all slow wave activity, all theta, classic ADD pattern. My sister is all fast, super anxious, kind of controlling all the things. And but it makes sense why they work together, right? Yeah. But she's sitting there and she's like, oh my gosh, you know, Cody just he just doesn't care. That's why he forgets things. And he's like, she is so wild. It brought about a lot of grace and understanding for them to truly, you know, understand like actually, Cody does not intentionally forget things. His brain is just swimming in theta all the time.

Dr Pompa 25:28

I'll be able to say things like, Oh, look, hon, it's just you're just wired wrong. So of course. Um it's the wrong. It's the wrong thing. It's because you have so much delta. That's the problem. Okay, so what do we expect we're gonna see with this one?

SPEAKER_02 25:42

Let's get going and find out. Yeah, what are we gonna see? Honestly, what do you expect to see?

Dr Pompa 25:46

Because you, I mean, you you know, you heard enough.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

I I mean, I didn't even take a supplement today because I wanted to see like if if you know, I didn't we want the cleanest baseline pop. I don't know about that, but it's not going to be supplement-based. I mean, you know, I So tell me a little bit more. What are your sleep patterns like? I used to I used to be called the perfect sleeper. Yeah. I think through menopause, yeah, I stopped sleeping. And it changed, it changes. And you have menopause, you have a new different heart of that, but we'll go into it. Because he doesn't listen. New words. Because he doesn't listen.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

But um, right. From what you're telling me, honestly, are you visually creative? Like, do you feel like you have um kind of like spatial creativity, vi visual creativity? Visual, but not spatial. Not spatial, no.

Dr Pompa 26:31

Spatial. Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

I think you have some extra theta wave activity in the brain, no, which is very beautifully creative. It also is kind of creativity turned into distractability when we have too much. So that's when we tend to have a lot of tabs open. Now, I also think though that you have some beta on the singulate because I can tell your brain is fast and I believe that you have a fast processing speed. Um, and that so those kind of two things combined

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SPEAKER_01 26:55

can be like very highly motivated, want to get a lot of stuff done, but it's hard to complete a lot of things because you're moving on to the next thing too quickly.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

So it would also teach me how to think before I speak. It can give you more, it can give you more lead.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

I need that all by myself. It can give you more lead time, right? That yeah, sometimes when we kind of we call it like verbally, just you know, kind of like verbal vomit on someone, but then you look back and you're like, did I want to say all of that? Did I want to do that?

SPEAKER_02 27:21

Actually, usually for me, the answer is yes. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 27:23

I mean, yeah, we're just telling her, maybe not so much.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

Usually I've that's why I've gotten better. It just it just uh gives us more of a wick to decide if we want to. It doesn't mean we're not going to, it just gives you a little bit more lead time to say, is that brain mouth?

Dr Pompa 27:37

It's like yeah, maybe I okay. Yeah, I might be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

I've done that. I have done that by my all by myself, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

Yeah, all by myself. I'm a little bit capable of saying that. So that's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking theta and some beta on the singulate. Okay, cool.

Dr Pompa 27:52

So I'm thinking of um moms out there with kids, right? That I and the reason because so literally, what is it now? One in five kids have a learning disability today, right? I don't know the statistics for ADD, ADHD keep going through the roof, right? And there's what I call functional ADD, ADHD, which is almost like uh it these people run companies later in life, like my son Daniel, but then there's kind of non-functional. Yeah. Right. But I mean, how much of these kids are you helping? Are you seeing? Yeah and you know, is is it impacting those conditions?

SPEAKER_01 28:26

I would say that ADD, ADHD is the most misdiagnosed thing that I see. Because right now it's so popular. I I don't know how to say it any other way, that it is all over social media. Hey, you have X, Y, and Z symptoms, you're ADD. So everybody's self-diagnosed ADD. Yes, true. A true pattern for ADD or ADHD is actually overproduction of theta wave activity in the brain. That is why Adderall and Ritalin, and I there's no shame in the medication game, but I am not a proponent of giving children people stimulants ever. Um, but that's why Adderall and Ritalin are stimulants because they speed the brain up so that that person can focus. Now imagine an overstimulated culture. Have you read the book Glow Kids? So it talks about basically the technology addiction in America, and it actually compares children with who are addicted to technology to the same brain maps of adults addicted to cocaine, and they look very similar. So we have a lot of overstimulated kids running around who are looking at phones all day, who are looking at correctable with by just taking their phones out of the school, the classroom. Just taking uh screens out of classrooms, these kids respond very differently. Dopamine hit.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

You know, they're dopamine, dopamine, dopamine all the time. We just saw a segment on them doing that and how it's just kids are balancing and they're talking again and they're communicating and looking at the eyes.

Dr Pompa 29:45

They said no more phones in school. I'm like, why did that take so long?

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Yeah, where was that? I think because the idea, right? Like technology brought us so far. And I mean, like when we got computers in schools, like how cool they can do so much on an iPad. Their brains are being so overstimulated all the time that now they're showing all of the same symptomology as ADD, ADHD, but now they're being prescribed stimulants to refocus and to do all these things that are honestly just overstimulating them. So really, I think the first step is, hey, let's see what's actually going on, right? Which I know that sounds like, well, yeah, of course you should do that. If you've been to a psychiatrist recently, you do not get a brain map before you get prescribed medication. You get a 10 question questionnaire and it's like, here's your, you know, let me know if that doesn't work. Don't worry, I've got a thousand other things to prescribe in case that doesn't do what we want it to do.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

So does this brain mapping actually, is it able to say this is classic or this is, you know, subclinical ADD?

SPEAKER_01 30:42

I'm gonna say I totally see why you've been diagnosed with it, right? I've never been. Oh, oh, not me. Because they know me. Now you were self-diagnosed by my husband. I knew that. Now you personally just knock that. People say, like, hey, I totally see it.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

It's not a true clinical pattern. But hey, listen, but I own it. You know why? Because I get shit done. I do. I mean, on the flip side of that, I actually do. Like I have, I do have a lot of tabs on the body.

Dr Pompa 31:04

That's what my our oldest son, he he runs our company, CEO. He has he could have 10 balls in the air. Didn't I?

SPEAKER_02 31:10

I bet you're super motive. I as I actually complete my balls at the end of the day, they're all in my hand. I mean, Daniels are still up in the air. You know what I mean? You just toss them, you just juggling.

Dr Pompa 31:19

Both of you delegate the heck out of the body. Yeah, we're very good. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

Me and Daniel and I are both extremely bad things. Right? No, I you know your strengths. This isn't one of them. This is my superpower. I have five other people standing right next to me. I'm like, I know you're good at this, you're good at this.

SPEAKER_02 31:33

By the way, I have kids. Like when you're raising kids, isn't that what you're supposed to do? Delegate things that they can handle to them. Absolutely. I mean, if you don't, you're doing them a disservice.

Dr Pompa 31:43

Absolutely. Have you read the book, The Brain That Heals Itself? And by Norman Umge? Norman.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

I have not read it, but I absolutely understand the concepts.

Dr Pompa 31:52

Oh my gosh. It was it was a incredible for me. I did. I tore that thing apart because basically, I uh you know what it showed is the brain can be rewired. It does rewire. Um if you if you fire it, you wire it, rewire it, right?

SPEAKER_01 32:08

I mean, it's like so those that fired together, wired together.

Dr Pompa 32:10

Yeah, exactly. And um basically it's neuroplasty, meaning you're recreating. So in the book, they talked about people that have strokes, right? Yes. You know, parts, his father, the guy who wrote the book, uh, you know, lost the you know most of his brain. I mean, it was horrible. And he rewired it, you know, a lot of that. He recreated it. Yeah, you know, so it's a pretty amazing book.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

Our brains are incredible, incredible in what they're capable of doing, right? We know that if you had to have, let's say, an area of your brain removed, other areas of the brain will kind of take on those traits, right? That they're like, hey, we're we're down over here, don't worry, we'll pick it up over here. So truly incredible.

Dr Pompa 32:49

I mean, it's but that's the same principle, right? You know, we're we're you're creating some neuroplastic reconnections of different wirings. So uh, you know, one of the things you see like as your kids, I think every parent out there can relate to this, as you see your kids mature, a lot of their bad

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Dr Pompa 33:05

decision making is because they say they're just not using their frontal lobe, it's not mature enough. It's not even there yet. Yeah, yeah, or it's really a wiring. 25, yeah, especially boys. You see them make these crazy decisions, you know, and young boys are like they have no fear. It's not even wired in. It's like, you know, that part of the you know, this development um does answer a lot of things. But here's what here's what my point is. Is it true then that, or is this just a myth that some people's brains literally they don't ever get wired? Right? So we see these adults making poor decisions, we see these adults making bad decisions, you think, like, my gosh, what is wrong? Could it be just that it needs to be wired better? Is that kind of over? That's a really good question.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

It's not that it didn't get wired, it's that it was rewired in a it wired in a really rough way, right? Let's let's think about kids who maybe grow up in trauma, right? You know, you know, something that they're in a really bad situation early on. Their brains grow up around and develop around fight or flight, right? Develop around I am not safe. So even if, you know, at some point they're now in a safe situation, their brain's like, don't worry to keep you safe because we did this for so long, I'm just gonna stay here, right? So you get that impulsivity, right? Where you you're like, do you think before you act? The answer is no, right? The answer is I am sheerly acting on impulse because that's what my brain knows, right? Or, you know, if things happen early on, maybe like some head trauma, right? You know, young kids playing tackle football at, you know, at these very early developmental ages and their brains are literally getting banged around. And then I I actually had a young man who I did a brain map, and the mom was like, I think he's bipolar, just you know, so wild, all these things. And it was concussion history, truly, but it's showing very similar symptoms, right? That's why we know that traumatic brain injury and concussion are kind of an invisible injury because they look a lot like you're just grumpy, you're just rude, you're just, you know, all these other things, but it's actually from something else, not really a behavioral issue. Yeah, you know, so the answer to that is yes, they are capable of being rewired. Actually, a very cool niche population that we've worked with is kids who have been adopted, right? That, you know, we see this reactive attachment disorder pattern where you have a kid and people are, you know, well, I adopted them from birth. I picked them up from the hospital. We have a very strong understanding of inner utero trauma that happens. So, you know, for a child like that, you could talk about it, you know, cognitive behavioral therapy all day. They don't have memory of what happened, right? So, how do we still heal the brain on that neurological level? Neurofeedback's a great way to do that.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

Is is there an age when it just it's you're you're too old? It's you're not going to have as good of a result as if you started earlier. Absolutely not. Oh, I guess he's not talking about me because he's always telling me I'm now 59.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

So clearly not me. Um, no, absolutely not. The brain is always, I mean, was that 30 years ago? We thought the brain stopped being neuroplastic at age 30. Like downhill from there, no way that we have disproven that a thousand times over. The brain is always neuroplastic, it's always willing to change. I work with people in their 80s who are like, hey, I just want to keep my brain as fresh as I can for as long as I can. Yep. Heck yes. So, no, they're now, I mean, a child who's 10, right? They have 10 years of ingrained neural pathways versus somebody who's 65. So you're absolutely right that this might take a little bit longer. But I mean, it also depends on, you know, what they've been through and how far outside of the standard deviation they are, things like that. But oh no, the brain's always willing to change.

SPEAKER_02 36:39

Do you have that standard deviation that you will compare in all things?

SPEAKER_01 36:43

Yeah, we have a standard, you know, a kind of a global standardized database, but there is not one perfect brain, right? It's not like, oh, this is the brain and everybody's brain. It's about making your brain the best version of your brain, right? So if you have some extra theta and some beta on the singulate. Now, maybe we know that about two standard deviations above or below, and you're feeling pretty good, right? That's where your creativity can shine. That's where you get stuff done. You're motivated for standard deviations outside, and that's where you have got so many balls in the air, you feel overwhelmed, you're feeling a little bit reactive, right? That you're delegating, but you don't even know to whom, right? So those are it's where we want to, you know, kind of pull back on it some, but we're not changing your specific pattern.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

No, and that's interesting. And I bet it's also helpful for people too that don't realize perhaps how overwhelmed they are or what they're not focusing on. Yeah. That when you can map their brains and then dial into things for them and start their programs, they say, Oh my gosh, like I'm just things are just working better.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

That's exactly. I absolutely hear that. They they might come in for one thing. It's like, hey, it's my anxiety, that's the one thing. I can't just work on anxiety, right? That's kind of the medication mentality, right? Where it's like, I take Ahmed for this and Ahmed for this and Ahmed for, and then we look at the brain and all those patterns are like this. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 37:57

Yeah, because you're not working on anxiety anyway. You're working on what you see in the map.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

Temporal lobe, overactivity. You're exactly right. Yeah. It's not like there's this one anxiety protocol. That can come from 50 different patterns in the brain. I'm working on what your brain is telling me that it needs.

Dr Pompa 38:13

Yeah. What about this is completely a selfish um question? PTSD. I have PTSD around mold because I was so sensitive, still sensitive. Yeah. Right. And so therefore, um, she'll tell you, if if there's like water, I mean, I'm Johnny on the spot, you know. I mean, so can we fix that? Meaning, yeah, there's uh something in my part of my limbic part of my brain, the primitive part of the brain, that wants to save my life. And that creates the overreaction. I mean, I get physical symptoms. Yep. I mean, it was really bad, you know, in the past, but can it fix that?

SPEAKER_01 38:48

When I say when we say fix that, right, change that? Change that pattern of that reactivity, that very visceral response where it's like, I see this, my my brain tells me, not safe, threat, bear in the room, gonna get me. I gotta go.

Dr Pompa 39:03

And that's happening from my amygdala, though. Yes. I mean, you know what I'm saying? So yes, I know exactly what I'm saying. You touch a hot stove, you're you know, from this day forward, you know, okay, that I have to be cautious. That's freaking hot. Yeah, that's gonna burn that's driven into this primitive brain of mine, yeah, of all of ours. So can it help that? Absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

So one, I'm gonna see that pattern in your brain, right? Like knowing the mold, knowing the things you've experienced. Also, you know, you think about somebody who's had cancer, right? That's your body betraying you in a way. So we have these people, you know, yes, you were gonna deal with, you know, the kind of rehash of maybe the chemo and things like that. Also the PTSD of what you've experienced, right? And gone through traumatically through that experience. So yes, I'm gonna see that. And really think about it this way, right? You experience, you see something and you go, oh my gosh, you know, honey, I went from zero to a hundred. The reality is you're probably not starting at zero, right? The reality is your brain is probably sitting a lot hotter than you think it is all of the time, right? From that experience, from that long-term, prolonged stress over time.

SPEAKER_03 40:01

That's a good point.

SPEAKER_01 40:01

Yeah. So you're probably going from, let's say maybe 80 to 100. 80 to 100 is not a far jump, right? If we could actually teach your brain to sit at a more normalized baseline, right? Hey, I operate at 40 and I feel good. Then I see something, and okay, that's stressful. It's not like you're gonna go, man, mold? Great, love it. Absolutely not. You know, you you know that that's not okay. It's not healthy, but if it's not healthy, you're not gonna have the same visceral, somatic fight or flight response because your brain has been trained to do something different. Yeah, that's good for everybody. Yeah, absolutely, 100%. Not just when it comes to that. I mean, obviously you're asking personally, but we work a ton with first responders, right? Who what they have experienced, you know, what they've gone through, what they've seen, of course their brain lives in fight or flight. How could it not? Right. So they're like, man, I haven't slept in, you know, 20 years. Well, no, because your job has trained you to stay in hypervigilance to save your life and to save others' lives. So, how do we change that baseline where yes, you can be hypervigilant if you need to, right? If there is a bear in the room, we our brain needs to know it's gotta go. Absolutely. But if there is no bear and it's, you know, just something that we're cognitively know is not necessarily a threat to us directly, how do we learn to respond differently?

Dr Pompa 41:11

Yeah, you know, it's uh when you're dealing with that, Amegula, it's amazing because people that are mold sensitive can relate to this. It's it's fractions. Like you don't have to know it's there. So you don't even have to see it. Meaning you there could be such a low-grade biotoxin, which is what mold produces. The brain picks it up. Okay, and then all of a sudden these people were getting symptoms and they're going, Oh my gosh, there's mold in here. You know, it's like it's pretty remarkable. And you know, you could bring a mold dog in, and sure enough, there'd be mold, even though the person never smelled it. Because I've been in those situations. I don't smell it, I don't see it, I don't know it. Well, when it'd be in a hotel room and I'll be like, There's mold.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

Um, you know, so highly sensitive. Exactly.

Dr Pompa 41:53

It's like so it wasn't like I walked in and like had saw it and had reacted. You know, that would be a visceral response, right? But we walk in and within whatever, you know, 20 minutes, I'm like brain fogged out of my like, you know. Now, before the old days, I would be sick for days, if not weeks. You know, now it's like I'm through it if I get out, but my body still has my brain still has the response. That needs rewired, I feel.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

Yeah, I completely agree. And absolutely neurofeedback can help do that. Very interesting.

Dr Pompa 42:22

So, okay. Now some we we said that this process usually takes maybe six months. Once you get mapped, it takes six months to all these different things we're talking about to rewire that process. Do you see conditions that take longer? And also part of that question is also have you seen conditions that this doesn't work for?

SPEAKER_01 42:45

You're absolutely right that everybody is is unique and individual, right? So six months is kind of a good, a good baseline, right? Like, hey, you know, I would never tell somebody, right, hey, do you think I can be through this in a month? No. Yeah, there's no way, right? So six months is a good, hey, I think you're gonna be in this for at least six months. Now, absolutely, right? If somebody's further outside of the standard deviation, which the brain map is gonna tell us, hey, you know, we're sitting six standard deviations above the mean, right?

Dr Pompa 43:10

So you can look at someone's map and say, you know what, you're nine months.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

Uh for sure. I might say, hey, I know we were talking about 40 sessions realistically, and I'm big on realistic expectations, right? That we want to go into this, you know, having the same idea. Probably we're looking more at 60 sessions, right? Which is maybe more like nine months. Now, when it comes to that, you know, extra three months, are they going to be training at the exact same frequency that they were training before? Possibly not. You know, we might start to titrate down, where now it's a lesser time commitment, you know, because at the end of the day, those patterns have become more ingrained, right? So now we're just kind of fine tuning towards the end. So that could be the case. But yes, I'll absolutely have that conversation. It's not necessarily that there are patterns that neurofeedback cannot help. It's more so what comes first, right? If someone comes in and I see a pattern that I believe they have mold toxicity or, you know, undiagnosed lines or there's something going on, I'm like, hey, let's go get some. Blood work done first, right? Let's go do a full panel. Let's do a workup. Because at the end of the day, I know you need to do that first. Right. Now, if it, if it comes back totally clear, one, I want to figure out then what else is going on, right? Do we have some weird home hormones going on from something else? You know, but that would be me having the conversation. This is step one, right? Let's go through this first because ultimately we're going to be, you know, kind of bumping up against a brick wall if you have such a heavy like mold toxicity happening in your brain that, you know, neurofeedback is not wizard magic.

Dr Pompa 44:29

It's not going to come in and get no, no, that's where I come in first. That's where you come in first.

SPEAKER_01 44:33

That's where I'm going to say, hey, go do this. And then let's get you feeling really good. And we're at a different place with that. Then let's bring in the neurofeedback to help rewire kind of the what has happened from that.

Dr Pompa 44:43

You know, this is such an important step because I I watch people as we get the neurotoxins out of their brain, right? I watch a lot of symptoms, their energy, their, you know, a lot of their anxiety comes down. That said, there's still, you know, I know what it is. They're still having these certain set of symptoms or reactions and not knowing that it's really this neuroimmune system that is not functioning right. Yeah. You know, in the first word, there's neuro. Yeah. You know, so your brain has an impact on your immune system, how much inflammation you're creating, driving, even autoimmune. I watch people stay in autoimmune, and then when they get the brain fixed, all of a sudden they come out of it. Absolutely. It's so important post-detox in my world.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

Well, and nervous system regulation, right? I'm sure all of

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SPEAKER_01 45:30

what you're experiencing with people is they are so, they have a such dysregulated, you know, nervous system. They are just sitting in that, you know, kind of sympathetic nervous system state all the time. That's what they know now. Yeah. How do we teach their brain to transition out of that? And it's not a matter of, you know, mind over matters.

Dr Pompa 45:45

A lot of just feeling normal, balanced, well, happy, okay, is the body's neurological ability to find what we call homeostasis. Yes. That's balance. You know, homeostasis, balance. When you don't feel right, you don't feel normal, you don't feel, you know, you feel not yourself, you're not happy, you're depressed. I could give a million diagnoses or symptoms around that, but ultimately your body's not in homeostasis. That is a neurological thing, absolutely, oftentimes, because it's this that creates homeostasis. Yes. Chiropractors know that. It's like people get chiropractic adjustments and it brings balance to their whole body in so many ways. Yes. You know, that is homeostasis. That is brain-driven. Yes. So when this isn't wiring right, firing right, you'll never find homeostasis. Therefore, you'll never find balance.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

Absolutely. Thinking about that, I was just actually, I watched a clip online of a chiropractor doing an adjustment of a trauma center. And this woman had a very, you know, somatic, like tearful response because our bodies hold on to that trauma. The body keeps the score. Bessel Vanuk, right? We know that the body holds on to that on that cellular level. I've had so many consultations that I've done of people who have read that book and said, hey, I read the chapter on neurofeedback. I've done the counseling, I've done the work, and yet I still feel like I live in this fight or flight or I still feel like I have all these somatic responses. How do I change that? Is that neurofeedback?

Dr Pompa 47:09

Trapped emotions. So you're saying though, so that's what you're saying is if we get this wiring right, all the trapped emotions that people do a lot of different therapies for many, many years. You're saying you watch that stuff clear out.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

In many cases, I watch that stuff change and so quickly, right? That and I know it's like, wow, six months. I I'm an LPC, I'm a I'm a licensed counselor. I watch people go to counseling and I believe in the power of talk therapy. But I watch people in counseling for 10 years, right? And they're like, I feel like I'm kind of, you know, beating a dead horse at this point. Like, how do I move on to the next thing, right? I know my triggers, I know why it's happening, but how do I actually change it? That's the neural.

Dr Pompa 47:46

That's where she is. She has done so much work. I know. This is why we have her here. No, no, no, because no, she has done so much work. I mean, she, you know, she had abandonment issues. Um, you know, her father left a year and a half, blah, blah, blah. And her mother raised her, but she was gone all the time, right? She cause she was working, right? So nothing, you know, not her fault, not her mother's fault. But fact is, is it created these certain behaviors along the way. And she has done all of the work hard, a lot, and and way better, help to your point, right? But I feel like that it's this rewiring now that is the is the next step.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

Yeah, it'll be fine. It's going to be fun. Yeah. It's going to be so fun. And actually, there is, there's a bunch of research now that ADD, ADHD trauma patterns kind of mimic that symptom those symptoms. Again, why we see so many misdiagnoses. Um, because now, when I say misdiagnoses, right, what is a diagnosis? It's a set of symptoms. So, do I believe people that they have that exact set of symptoms? Well, of course. They're telling me that they do. It's more just where's it coming neurologically? So we make sure that we're actually treating what needs to be treated versus throwing spaghetti against a wall and hoping we find something that sticks. Yep.

Dr Pompa 48:57

Yeah. Wow. You know, the power that made the body heals the body, right? And that power is here because remember it started with two cells.

SPEAKER_03 49:03

That's right.

Dr Pompa 49:04

You know, it's like it made everything in about your body. You know, that power that God put there, I'll say it that way. But, you know, when something interferes with that, that's when that's my thing. Neurotoxins interfere with that. But the damage of the rewire, you know, that's where this can just, oh my gosh. That's right. Speed everything up.

SPEAKER_01 49:23

And I, you know, I believe in the power of, you know, positive affirmation and all of these different things. But what we don't think about is those patterns that you're talking about are equally as deeply ingrained as walking and talking and eating, right? But for some reason, because it's more somatic, more emotional, or whatever that is, we think I should just be able to mind over matter it, right? I I don't want it to happen anymore. Therefore, it should not. Yeah, you can't always do other things. Logic doesn't always apply.

Dr Pompa 49:48

No. It doesn't. And you know, it's like, and it's almost irritating when you see people will say, you just have to be positive. It's like, look, I've been sick. Yeah. Okay. It's like, and I can tell you that I knew all that. I know how much our thoughts affect our cells, but I couldn't be positive because I I had neurotoxins in my brain. You know, so I mean, this goes on the same thing. It is absolutely yeah, it's it's very difficult when you're uh, you know, not firing normal to be positive. So therefore, our thoughts do create more inflammation. Our thoughts do create, you know, cellular problems, but how do we get our thoughts right? We're back to the more causative factor that you're dealing with.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

It's kind of that top-down, right? We need to change it on that neurological level so that it can affect our thoughts, so that it can affect our physiological beings, so that but it's like, where do we start? And you know, what you said at the beginning of this podcast, it all starts in the brain.

Dr Pompa 50:41

Yeah, it does. Okay, so have there been are there any people that get negative stuff, you know, meaning, you know, as you're detoxing people, you the body's letting go of stuff. It's gonna tell you. So do people go through a Herx reaction, a healing crisis while they're rewiring, or don't we see that as much?

SPEAKER_01 51:02

Not necessarily, right? So now I would love for, you know, every person who comes in, every session you do, you've just never felt more spectacular. Yeah. Yeah, not always the case, right? I think about it kind of like working out, right? That the first time you go to the gym and crush a leg day, do you wake up the next morning and you're like, I have never felt more spectacular in my life? Probably not. You're a little so oh, you're like, oh man, I feel that. Does that mean you go, I should never go to the gym again? The gym is the worst? No. You go, I'm building muscle, right? So sometimes people feel experience a little bit of fatigue while training. Absolutely. Your brain is working so hard to do that. But it's all assimilation, right? And I believe we do a very good job of walking, you know, clients through, hey, we're working on some harder areas of the brain. Prefrontal cortex is sensitive. Your temporal lobe six and kind of a more developmental trauma area is sensitive. So if we're training those areas at a certain time, I'm like, listen, this might be a tougher week, right? If you find yourself feeling a little bit more emotional, if you find yourself feeling a little bit more irritable, that doesn't mean something's wrong. That means we're getting into an area that is sensitive and probably just needs a little bit love more love and a little bit more work, right? So all of it's assimilation, but no, it's not something that it's not like a die-off symptom, right? Where you're like, I've never felt worse. Yeah. I must be getting worse. No, you're actually getting better. It really isn't like that.

Dr Pompa 52:18

Yeah, that that that makes it easier for sure. Do you believe in um what's it called? Uh TMI, trans cranial magnetic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:26

Yeah. EMDR. Oh, EMDR.

Dr Pompa 52:28

No, no, no. The transmag the magnet. Uh, magnet.

SPEAKER_01 52:30

Oh, so EMDR is a trauma therapy, transcranial magnetic stimulation. It's just very different than what we do. So I absolutely do believe in it. And there's a lot of research for TMS for like medication. Yes, TMR.

Dr Pompa 52:42

I'm dyslexic, so I can never put three letters together.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

EMDR is actually the worst one. People will call me and they're like, MDMR. I'm like, what are we talking about here? EDTA. That's a key letter. Just a kind of a couple of letters strung together. Um, transcranial magnetic is putting STEM into the brain. So it is actually a form of like putting shock into the brain. That's just not what we do, right? So um it's a definitely neurofeedback is less aggressive in that way. But have I seen people who deal with, I mean, medication-resistant depression, right? That they are very, very low. Absolutely. I have seen that, you know, be really very incredible for people. Um, I usually, that's not always a first step for people, you know, that, you know, a lot of people try a lot of other things and then kind of turn to putting STEM into the brain.

SPEAKER_02 53:25

Yeah, I think that's more of a hardcore approach. It's pretty hardcore. Yeah. Different um anxiety, depression, and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

I agree with you. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 53:32

Yep, yep. Um, crap. My my question went right out the window. Can you help me with that? No.

SPEAKER_01 53:41

We call that recall. Oh gosh. Memory recall.

Dr Pompa 53:44

I I'll think of it. All right.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

Where's our Ephora water?

Dr Pompa 53:48

Our sponsor, Ephora Water. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

Usually they leave me the bottle. They must have ported over. I'm enjoying drinking it so much. I know exactly.

Dr Pompa 53:55

Yeah. We have it at home. I was gonna say that. This is the the best water in the world. This it's 40 parts per million oxygen in the water, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:03

Is it from here? Uh no, like salty.

Dr Pompa 54:06

Yeah, Santa Barbara. But we have their filtration system in our house. Oh, yes. And then we're getting um a sauna, like um hot.

SPEAKER_02 54:15

That we can bathe in. Oh my gosh, that's amazing. Who is that? Yeah, yeah.

Dr Pompa 54:19

Dang. Okay. It'll come back. My question, yeah, it was so good, too. It was really the question.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

To touch on your EMDR, right? So EMDR is a form of trauma therapy, right? That's why I did it. Oh, it's and it's amazing. What I have found for some people, because we kind of talk about what does this pair well with? It definitely can pair well with EMDR. One thing I've seen with EMDR is sometimes it can be re-traumatic.

Dr Pompa 54:40

EMDR is for people.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

It's eye movement desensitization. So it's actually a form of trying to desensitize the brain true to specific traumas. Yes, and triggers. That's right. Now, people do have to relive and walk through trauma. So, for what I have found is some people can be re-traumatized by it if they do it too soon. So, neurofeedback, I do talk to people who have done EMDR and now are doing neurofeedback. Sometimes neurofeedback is a better first step because sometimes when you process through trauma, it's so what happened is so awful or so fresh and so new or whatever that is that it can actually re-traumatize and then we feel like we're backsliding.

unknown 55:16

Okay.

Dr Pompa 55:16

I know what I was gonna ask. Yeah. You were right, it came back. Yes. So um access was denied for a minute. So um, people that are on psychotropic drugs, brain medications, if you will, things like that. Uh, does it work? Does it give you a clear pattern? Uh, can you retrain when they're on these medications? How does that work?

SPEAKER_01 55:35

I would honestly say probably 75, 80% of people are on some type of medication when they come to us. Does Okay, go ahead. Yeah. In Angie's perfect world, like everybody, you know, tries neurofeedback first, right? That they're like, man, I'm struggling with anxiety. I'm gonna go try that brain training thing. It's that's not always the case. And very rarely the case, right? Most people most people are like, hey, I've taken all the medication, I've done all the things, and I still feel bad, right? Because ultimately, what is medication doing, right? It's going in and it's blocking some signals, it's changing some chemicals momentarily. It has a shelf life in the brain or in the body. It also comes with side effects, right? Great, my anxiety is better. Now I have insomnia. Well, don't worry, we have a medication for insulin. Yeah, we pay for that too. So, yes, people are on types of medication. And we know how we are experts on how different medication affects the brain. And there are definitely benzos affect it differently than an SSRI versus a, you know, whatever. Um, but no, this is not something you need to wean off of all medication before you start. But throughout the process, absolutely tight, you know, titrating off it is gonna be key because at some point you're gonna start to feel over medicated, right?

Dr Pompa 56:37

If we're taking you down and it's taking you down, when we detox people, they're on thyroid medication, right? Like, don't stop. Okay. And then what happens is they need to less and less and less and less because all of a sudden you'll start getting like, you know, I feel like I have more anxiety. I feel like I'm not sleeping as well. You need to cut your medication with that's right. You know, work with your doctor on that. But as you're getting rid of the toxins, you're gonna need less.

SPEAKER_02 56:59

Now, when you map their brain and they're on these, you know, psychotropics, what does that show up to?

SPEAKER_01 57:06

It does, but I and then this might be mind-blowing for some people. Medication doesn't change your brain patterns that much. Interesting. I think that sometimes we think medication, right, just like goes in and does all the things. It really most medication might change your brain one standard deviation. It's not gonna hide anything from it.

Dr Pompa 57:22

It's because it maybe it's a serotonin uptake inhibitor as an example. It's just changing some of the chemistry, perhaps.

SPEAKER_01 57:28

That's right.

Dr Pompa 57:28

But it's not gonna change how it's wired.

SPEAKER_01 57:30

It's not changing your fingerprint.

Dr Pompa 57:31

Proof positive. It's not doing anything for the cause of the problem. That's right. It's just pushing more chemical. I mean, that's why alcohol works. Cocaine can work, right? In the moment, short term, right?

SPEAKER_01 57:40

In the moment. Yeah.

Dr Pompa 57:42

Is there anybody that shouldn't do this?

SPEAKER_01 57:45

Not necessarily anyone that shouldn't. I will say, so we work a lot, you know, you're talking about alcohol or cocaine. We do work a lot with addictions, right?

Dr Pompa 57:52

And that was my other question I had. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Does it work for addiction?

SPEAKER_01 57:56

Oh my gosh. So I actually recently went down and spoke in Texas for the uh Texas Addictions Association conference and did a full presentation on neurofeedback in addition to like a recovery program. So now, if someone is active in their addiction, they're like, I just want, you know, neurofeedback to make me not want to drink anymore. I mean, come on. No. Yeah, no. Discipline. We need to do some other things, right? But the idea, right, that we're just treating behavior, just treat behavior, just treat behavior, just treat behavior, and we're not actually getting to the root of why you want that in the first place. Anybody who's doing a drug, we're trying to self-medicate, right? We're trying to put something synthetic in to change something in our brain that our brain's not doing on its own. Even if somebody doesn't deal with an addiction, I could tell you by looking at a brain map what you like, right? Like, hey, do you enjoy a nice glass of wine at, you know, at the end of your night? Well, yeah. Does it take you at least three glasses to even start to feel it? Well, yeah. That's because your alpha is dysregulated, right? So we can talk about those things. But there are so many studies. I have like 10 studies literally, you know, in a folder on my computer that talk about just adding neurofeedback to an addiction like program. The the statistics of it helping stay someone sober for a year, for two years, for three years is staggering. I mean, like the relapse rate, just regular for, you know, a 12-step, whatever, is like something like a 70% relapse rate. It flips it. It literally becomes a 70% sobriety rate, 30% relapse rate with the addition of neurofeedback. And not because neurofeedback is magic, but because it's getting to the root cause.

Dr Pompa 59:24

That's right. I want to hear some of the like craziest things you uh have seen. You know, like you know, like I couldn't even believe this. Like, this is what happened to this person after their brain started wiring right.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

I could give you thousands of stories as I've, you know, been doing neurofeedback for years and years and years and years. I'm thinking of one woman specifically who she came in to me and she said, Angie, I have very specific anxiety. It is travel anxiety. I cannot get in on a flight. I I when I do, I'm like on several Xanax. And even then, sometimes I'm right, I'm so drugged that I, and even then I'm like, I'll get back off and I just can't do it, was thinking about um not going to her best friend's wedding in another state. She was like, I just can't. So this is kind of my my last stitch, right? Like, I want to be able to do that. At the end of six months, not only did she go to her best friend's wedding, she texted me from China. This woman, she couldn't even get on a 30-minute flight. She flew to China, sent me a text, and she said, My life has been transformed. I don't remember who that person was. I feel like ultimate freedom, right? From from something that was, and that's such a specific type. She was thinking, right? This is such a specific type of anxiety. Can you treat this? Because she's like, I don't have anxiety all the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:32

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:32

Which really wasn't the case, right? We were talking about her baseline. She was going from 80 to 100. She thought she was going from zero to a hundred. I'm thinking of another young man, a mom came into me, child who had been adopted and was pretty behind developmentally, right? A lot of, you know, drug and alcohol in his system bouncing off the walls. I mean, like every doctor in the world wanted him to put him on every medication in the world just so he could, you know, function in society, right? Yeah, cope, whatever that looked like. And he was so incredible. Literally, you watched him physically change. Like first couple of sessions, he was pulling off electrodes, couldn't sit still. We'd get 10 minutes. And I was like, this is what we can do today. By the end of his training, I mean was saying I love you for the first time to his parents. Oh, experiencing emotion, meaning it was not being, when I say reactive, like was not trying to harm his siblings, was not trying to harm his parents. His brain literally was living in survival before that, full transformation. I ended up seeing their other kids because they were like, wait a second. If you can do this for this kid, what can you do for maybe my more typically developing kid? Totally. Yeah. So just, I mean, I've seen literal life transformation change happen for you. I've experienced life transformation change. Rachel will share her story when she comes on the pod, but I get to see that every day.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:45

And the dynamics of your interpersonal relationships as a result of that is going to be just so rewarding.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:52

Oh my gosh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:53

I treated this as a make sure we both go home with and we'll give a few extras too. We'll take a extra.

Dr Pompa 1:02:01

Do you believe we actually get along all the time? I mean, you know, well, no, 99.9% of the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:06

You both have some fast wave activity though.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:08

So you're I know that that's probably where you battle. Probably like we have we're very opposite in many ways, but where we're fast and where we where we go like this, yeah, is it's you know, it's it's somewhat fun for both of us, I think. We have his mat ready.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

It's a praise mean you're gonna see him start ringing it. It's gonna start being twisted. So I'm thinking of a client that I had. This guy was the most physically successful person I've ever met, right? Had multiple companies just like through the roof successful. And the first time I sat down with him, he said, Listen, Angie, I have found all the success in the world financially, everything. He goes, I don't have a relationship with my kids. I believe that my wife wants to divorce me. And he's like, I that's what I want to work on. And I'm like, but all those things are so interconnected. What probably makes you in some ways a good CEO? Kind of, you're a pit bull, you're all the things. Like, how do we keep the really good areas of that, the drive and the motivation and the the able to have hard conversations? But also then you can transition when you go home, right? Yeah. And you're not that you're not the CEO at home, right? You don't your wife is not an employee. You need to give your wife that you're gonna do that. Yeah, your kids are not employees. But yeah, your your wife's not an employee. Your kids are not an employee that you can, you know, hire and fire. Right. And it was, I ended up treating his wife and his kids, all of them. Because his wife came down. I was actually it, you know, kind of a weird, I was, you know, doing his sessions and his wife came to me and said, When will we be doing my brain map? And I said, Fire it up, let's go. Because she was able to watch something change that she was like, I didn't even know that was possible. She's like, and she goes, You're right, I was gonna divorce him. Like, but you know, through this, you know, we were able to kind of find reconciliation within that because he was willing to find that neurological change. And I mean, first things first, he recognized there was a problem. Totally. Yeah, right, yeah.

Dr Pompa 1:03:56

Have you ever seen any like physical, like pain things disappear? Like just chronic pain.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:02

Yeah, yes, pain cycles. You're exactly right. So one, in a break.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:07

See them um ingrained in them in the map too.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:09

So we can see what is physiological pain versus what's perceived pain. Wow. Right. So if someone comes in with a slip disc in their back, like, is neurofeedback going to change that? No. I see a lot of people who are like, Angie, I like I'm getting the all clear, right? From the scans, from the whatever. There's nothing physically wrong. Probably what happened is you were in physical pain for so long, your brain is stuck in a pain cycle. That's what I'm just gonna say.

Dr Pompa 1:04:33

There is a pain loop that it's part of that amygdala thing, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:36

It's just and we have to disrupt that pain cycle. So absolutely, I see a lot of people for literally chronic pain, same thing, migraines, right? That, you know, is this migraine coming from something physiological or is this coming from a pain loop that is in your brain that you can't just mind over matter change? Right. Um, so yes, I do see a lot of people for chronic pain who were in pain for so long and maybe at some point healed physically, and their brain is just still stuck in that loop.

Dr Pompa 1:05:02

Wow. I I mean, we we've covered a lot. Yeah, that's we've we've covered a lot of ground.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:07

That's good, but it I mean, it's it gives, it should give people tremendous hope. Oh gosh. I mean, because there's something for everybody in this. I mean, seriously, right? That kind of was my point. Yeah, absolutely. There's something for everyone.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:18

That is truly, I believe, the mission of Brain

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SPEAKER_01 1:05:20

Code Centers is to just allow people to know that there's another option, right? That there is one more layer of hope and layer of being able to heal that a lot of people just don't even know is available to them. Right.

Dr Pompa 1:05:31

Where do they find you to see if they want to do this virtually or if there's a brick and mortar?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:36

Yeah. So we offer 100% complimentary consultations. I never want it to cost someone to find out what their options are. It's awesome. Um, Rachel and I do basically 100% of those. Do we have time to do that while running a company? Not necessarily. I like can't give it up. I can't transfer it to somebody. I can't delegate it. Wow. I love talking to people. I love hearing their stories and being able to offer them that education and that hope. Um, at Brain Code Centers is our Instagram. We also at Brain Code Centers.

Dr Pompa 1:06:04

At Brain Code.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

Brain Code Centers. Yeah, Brain Code Centers Plural.

Dr Pompa 1:06:08

So now where do they get one of those appointments?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:10

Yeah. So you can either DM us on there or on our website, braincodecenters.com. Um, you can sign up for a free consultation. It's gonna be 30 minutes. We're gonna talk about, you know, all of the things and determine financially is this right for you? Time-wise, is this right for you? Are you in Denver, Tulsa, or Dallas or are you across the world, but you still want to do this? You know, so we'll talk about kind of what the best options are.

Dr Pompa 1:06:30

Wow, we might flood you. So, all right, last words. Well, I'm gonna give you last words, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:36

Oh, just put that thing on my head and let's go, sis.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:40

The last words are brain maps coming.

Dr Pompa 1:06:43

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:44

I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's do it.

Dr Pompa 1:06:46

Yeah. Anyway, so anything you want to tell them you feel I didn't ask you that is absolutely you want them to hear.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:52

Honestly, I love your both of your willingness to share your stories. And I truly, I just want to, you know, offer people that hope and that, you know, next lever level of healing that they might have not even known was available till now, but you gave them the platform to find out. It's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:07

Wow. And and we we are all about trying to find things that work. Yes. And because for our own journey, obviously, right? But what we've learned is that your pain is never just for you. No. And God uses it to help heal a hurting world. And the world is hurting. And we are on that healing journey ourselves. And it just seems like with every that God does bring really good things into our life.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:30

And we're always asking. Oh my gosh. And it takes authenticity and transparency from people saying, I was struggling, I went through this, and here's how I here's how I got to the next step. And and the next step. We know that health is a series of puzzle pieces. It's never a silver bullet. So maybe this is the last piece of your puzzle, maybe it's the first, right? But it can be part of that journey. Right.

Dr Pompa 1:07:49

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:50

Yeah. Don't wait to find out.

Dr Pompa 1:07:51

Don't wait. Yeah, don't wait. Don't wait. Honestly. And by the way, you're definitely want to like and share this because how many people do you know that are struggling, right? They're they're downstream from the cause of their brain not firing, not wired correctly. So share the show because you'll impact lives. And that's what we get. We people that share this is how the the news spreads. So do your part. Thank you for being there. This was great. So much. I can't wait to learn so much. Do some maths. Can't wait to get that. Let's get it mapped. You're gonna see that next show. Oh, stay tuned to see our results. That's the second show. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:27

That's the next show.