Wind River (2017): Taylor Sheridan’s Chilling Neo-Western

0:00 Oh, and emergency assistance. Wind River, Indian Reservation in search of a killer? Why would a teenage girl be out here? What's she running from? Nothing is harder to try than the truth. I can help you. The Los Angeles Times, the New York Times, and America's top critics agree out here you cannot blink wind River. He's the best thriller of the summer. Oh my god. Wind River rated r now playing in theaters. In a world where podcasts reign supreme. Two Friends Dare to ask.

0:41 Do You Even? Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David Denier. Spoiler alert, stop biting your ship, Hello, my friends, and welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? Well, now that you reacted like that, I'm leaving that at the beginning. I was just going to cut that outail. Yeah, you know, not everybody handles their problems like a rabid raccoon.

1:27 I need, I'd bite my nails. I can't hold I mean, you literally can. I can. But I choose that. Okay, okay, you your your I choose not to was far crueler than my one. Where As I say, but but you don't want to use willpower. You're like, no, no, no, I do the bad thing. I used to do hot sauce on the nails, and then I started liking hot sauce. I mean, that's literally what got me to stop sucking my thumb. Except that was brutal, that was truly no. My my stepdad took a blender and he blended up a bunch of chilies and then he put it on my thumb and he was like, all right, now go play, and don't you suck that thumb. And then as I was walking away, it's like, if I hear a sink, I'm coming over there. A couple of weekends of that, and I stopped sucking my thumb. But yeah, now I would suck my thumb.

2:12 So now the audience knows that I chew my nails and I had a hangnail on the beginning of this recording. I you know, the fact is the hits just don't stop, you know, they just keep on coming. Until it'll stop coming. Something something to someone hit the ground running didn't make sense to live for fun. Your brain gets smart, but well your head does get dumb. All right, Well we are back here at do you even movie? And tonight we are talking about a modern classic in a lot of ways. Absolutely one that had a massive impact on me, and it must have had a massive impact on the rest of America because it was the beginning of what has become one of the most storied modern writer, director, producer careers of the last you know, two decades.

2:55 Yeah, because I think Hell or High Water is I want to say it's twenty fifteen. Well, my point is, but by by the time wind River happened, Taylor Sheridan was the man, and now Paramount Plus is just like handing him sacks of money NonStop. I mean, I'm watching Landman right now, which is one of the shows he's executive producing. Yeah, it's super good. I've heard Billy Bob Thornton. It's it's really really good. Yeah. But no, but I mean, like I feel like that was when it was like, Okay, he didn't do it once, he did it twice and then everybody wanted him. They called this the conclusion of his trilogy Ccario hell or High Water in this. Yeah, and Cecario is a really interesting one. I actually just revisited the second one. I like the second one a little bit more to as far as a rewatch. I've seen the second one more than I have the first one. I've seen the second one like three times.

3:39 There's no setup in the second one. It just starts starts running. So it's more rewatchable for me. Absolutely. But I think that a lot of the characterizations are a lot more exciting than the first one. But the second one, the action is just it really doesn't stop. Yeah, but yeah, we're talking about twenty seventeen's wind River. That is correct, and it is a truly a chilling flick. Yeah, which is ironic. Because we're kicking off Cold Blooded January. Right, because when you see the snow and you think of sleigh rides and and family get togethers and cozy times on the couch with that big blanket, Dave is like, that's murder time. To be fair, we.

4:20 Decided on climate cold Blood of January. This was actually your idea was because the last movie we're going to talk about this month is one that we both want to talk about. We just didn't have a prompt to fit it into, and so that's why we want to get into it. I think that the reason I agreed to Cold Blooded January was it was one of those times I actually had. I had one of my AirPods in one of my ears, and you just didn't know. So I was just like, yeah, you said cold blooded January. Did I come up with you? Yes? Oh I'm clever, Yes, Oh good good. I literally I don't remember the spoiler alert. The last movie of this series that we're going to do this month is going to be Confessions of a Serial Killer, which does not have any snow in it obviously. No. In fact, it's in Texas in the summer. That is true. But I would say that that lead performance by Robert A. Burns is about as cold as you can exactly. Yeah.

5:07 So we've got three snow thrillers for you to start off, and then we're gonna cap it with a really good Uh. I was about to say Henry knockoff, but that's not fair. Well, I mean it's a knockoff of actual Henry Lee Lucas. Yeah, crimes, but it was made basically around the same time. Yeah as Henry Horsi Killer. I'll give I should save this, but I'm not going to because I don't know if I'll remember this when we're talking about Confessions of a Serial Killer. Yeah, to me, it's kind of like, how in the same time frame you had Observant Report and Paul Blart Mall Cop. You did, yes, and unfortunately in this analogy, well you're ruining it. Sorry, but no, I was gonna say, unfortunately in this analogy, Henry Portrait of a serial Killer is Paul Bart Malcop to me?

6:00 Yeah, actually no, yeah, yeah, we'll probably get more to that on the episode. But yeah, for the. Record, before you get upset, rightfully, So, uh, if you if you are very familiar with Observant Report and Paul Blart Mall Cop, then you kind of understand that reference somewhat because Paul Blart is like the shiny, you know, mainstreamy kind of thing. Everyone saw it. It still plays on cable, and Observant Report was way darker, like way, way way darker, and it was highly underappreciated, highly under released in comparison. So that's that's the main example. It's not that an uneas and we're splitting some serious murderer hairs.

6:47 I mean, we could split more murderer hairs and talk about the fact that we also went to see No Sparatu this past weekend. You mean split mustache hair mustache? I have no issue with the must stash on nos Faratu. But Dave here him and his reddit, his reddit army. No, I only all I could see was doctor Robotnik like and I and I like scars Guard of course, you know. I like him as penny Wise. I love him in Yeah, I can't think of another one either, Right, you just did that to me. That's fine, You're welcome, But no, I mean I you know, I love scars Guard. I think he's a great actor. I just didn't expect Eggers to put a mustache on no s Faratu. But as you and others to point out, it is uh attribute to black tepish.

7:33 Yeah, yeah, he looks like like Vladi Impaler. Also that that mustache was extremely traditional in that part of Romania in that time. And then on top of that, if you go to the original Dracula novel, it straight up mentions he has a very bushy mustache. Because it mentions I think it was Harker. The line was Harker said something like I couldn't I always knew there was some kind of evil grin even if I couldn't see it underneath the bushy mustache on his upper lip, or something like that. But really. I mean I did not dislike No Saratu, not either, but I did not feel like it treaded much new ground beyond said mustache, although in you know, Gary oldman rocks and mustache, but only when he's young DrAk you young Dracula, not when he is he's initial Dracula.

8:20 Well, that was that was my problem with No s Feratu was I was sitting there, and I told you was like I was sitting there. It was not a bad movie, had amazing, amazing theatrics to it, at great performances. I was never bored, per se. Well, I'm not saying you were bored. I was a little bored. I was. I should also say that there's no version. There are only three, but there's no version of No s Faratu that I do not think is a little boring in the middle. Yeah, and there are very few versions of Dracula that I don't think are a little boring in the middle. So brom Stoker's Dracula is not boring, like following a friend in their car while they don't use turn signals as not boring. I mean, I like Bromstokers Racula. We just revisited. I had not seen it as an adult. I don't think it's the quintessential Dracula movie, but I think it's a fascinating movie to watch because it's it's extremely interesting. I don't think it's always coherent plot wise, but it's almost like it's almost like every sequence was even though this isn't the case, like every sequence was directed by somebody else whose only job was to make that one sequence as interesting as possible.

9:28 This is true. The parts are very very good. The sum is fine. I just felt like the way the narrative goes makes it a little hard to get into the narrative as much. But I mean every second. And we were watching a new four K transfer out on my new four K projector we were just like, m no. It's great. I mean it's it's a feast for the senses entirely. Well, and and and so was, but in a much more cohesive way, much more cohesive. I think what I really liked about No Saratu for for Theg's version that I saw, was it really did lay into the I don't know put that it laid into the severity of Nosferatu because I mean not I don't want to spoil anything, but he does things in this version that are not in other versions, at least on screen. I would say, oh, well, yeah, yeah, so I did.

10:17 Well, they're probably in the book. That's probably the book. Yeah, books are always more brutal. But I did like that. But overall, I think it's a one and done for me. I hate saying that, but like. Well, there aren't a lot of movies that I'm like, boy, I can't wait to watch that two hour and fifteen minute thing again. Yeah, I mean it's special. That was another thing. I don't know if it really earned more than a two hour run time as it did. I mean it was only two hours and fifteen minutes, but it felt. Long to me. Yeah, it was the first time in a long time I start I didn't doze off fully, but I started the doze a little. Yeah. And there was a period of time where I was struggling with that all the time before I got my ADHD diagnosis and stuff. It was getting really bad for a while. Yeah, but now it like very seldom happens. Yeah, I got a little bored there.

11:01 Do You Even? Movie will be right back. Welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? I will say, because I the problem with loving movies, is that Dave loves them too. No. No, The problem with loving movies is that the more you love a movie, the more you love what they do with something, the more you enjoy it, the more I personally critique it. Yeah, Like, if I don't like a movie very much, it was kind of like, I don't know, it just wasn't really.

11:44 But then if it's like, oh, I really like that, but here are all the things I didn't like. Because I'm thinking about the movie a lot more so, it's tough. But also it kind of had for me the same baggage that The Substance had, where I really enjoyed The Substance, but I had heard so many people shout from the rooftops it was the best thing they'd ever seen. It was this and that and this and that. So when I went in, my expectations were revved up really high, which is not the movie's fault. And because I love the Substance, I would watch The Substance again with a crowd anytime, Like I went to see it a second time with you in the theater. Totally worth it to see it, so you should have. I wish you could have been there when I saw it at ten thirty at night.

12:29 Yeah. I mean literally, when the first crazy crazy part started, I looked at my watch and I was like, it's twelve fifteen at night, and I'm in a crowd, a room full of strangers, and we're all going ah at this horror movie. I mean, there's nothing more exploitation cinema yeah than that. Yeah, but so I think to wrap up on No s Faratu, you know, we've got the original version, We've got the Herzog and now we've got Eggers. I don't go back to No Saratu often. I may mainly stick to Dracula movies. Yeah. I've never been a big nose. I mean yeah, but you know, with the original, the thing they did so well was the visual absolutely. I mean particularly count orl He is so interesting to look at. He's so creepy in that movie. And it was so early in cinema's history that there were rumors which they played up on Shadow of Vampires all the time, that that but legitimately in Germany is if people would be like no, because because Max Shrek was just a made up name.

13:24 That was the guy who played the original Count Orlock people. He never appeared in another movie that we know of, because he never used that name again. I mean he technically appeared in Christopher Walk in his bax. Right, oh see freaking with me man here here. I was like, oh great, I didn't know something after all. But no, no, he never appeared in another movie. So there are people who were like that were saying, like from as simple as like he hired some insane, deformed person all the way to he found a real monster and cast him in the movie. Because in that era, especially Nosferatu was considered like hypnotic, and it is a little hypnotic, But I think back then it's kind of like that thing where I like, I we all kind of wish we could have been in the era where like at the Exorcist people were fainting in the theater. Yeah, but we're not there anymore because we've we've gotten desensitized to it. We understand better than ever that it's not really happening. Yeah.

14:19 Well, it was like watching Bromstagers Dracula and when they go to see the cinemagraph there was the shot of Edison's train film. Yeah, first split second, No, I mean there was a lot to like going back to his film and I don't think Eggers borrowed nearly as much. I think that they both had one very sincere power that they added to Dracula money money. They were both just really expensive by when you account for inflation, Eggers Nosfaratu maybe cost a little less than Coppola's Dracula. Kapla's Dracula costs like forty million and Eggars cost fifty. So I will say I felt like they did way more with the money in Kappola's But but you.

15:02 Know whatever, No Saratu is absolutely worth the watch. I would, I would recommend it, but I will say that you you mentioned it. Shadow the Vampire is a movie that I try to get anybody. Oh it's wonderful, phenomenal, super fun. It's hard to find nowadays unfortunately. Oh that sucks. Yeah, I mean you you can get still get a DVD of it, but like it's not streaming anywhere. That's ridiculous unless you unless you do what I did with a certain streaming service. But that's a whole other conversation. Well, no, so so, No Speratu was a really a cool experience. It was. It was And this is another thing that's my problem, not everyone else's yeah, the visuals are off the charts. I am the worst about that. When people say like, but it's so beautiful, look like for me, it's like, wow, all right, that's just the background. Now, I don't I don't get that way.

15:52 When his hand was stretching across the town and everything, that's how I kind of felt like it was really cool at first, and I was like, Okay, we can get through this now. I mean, well, but it's not. It's just like that's kind of my thing. It's like why poor things didn't hit me super well because they had these crazy impressionistic, non narrative visuals. And after the second one, I'm like, yep, but what about what are the people doing? And that's me like, that's why the Shining, Well, I think it's a I do think it's an important movie and it's a great movie. It's a bore to me. And and Kubrick even said about The Shining that he was trying to create atmosphere and mood more than anything. He always said that he considered cinema to be like music personally.

16:41 As a one equal peer to Kubrick, yeah, I've always I've always considered for me personally movies to be more like novels, are plays where it's all about the people, where they are, what they're saying, what they're doing. So I'm not that impressionistic. I'm not that that way necessarily, but there are a few non narrative movies that have really pulled me in, like like any Joderowski movie except The Holy Mountain Fuck that one? Uh actually, and I love that until that last moment. Anyway. Yeah, I don't wanna, We don't want to. We don't want to end up in Jodarowski town. But no, so no arra too. I mean, if it's if you're a horror fan, it would really you'd really be doing yourself a disservice to not go catch it in the theater, especially because those visuals are going to be the best they could be in a theater unless you're an idiot like me and you spend thousands of dollars on your TV or projector and your sound system, and honestly, like I can do you.

17:40 But at that case, we can also then pivot then to our to our our marathon that we had our New Year's Day mass are y yes yesterday, and we started with your your idea we started with the one and ninety one minute TV cut of Needful Things. Yes, Stephen King's one of his first big mini series, because there was it before that. Yeah, this is right before the stand Stand, which I feel like really made him kind of a gold standard, a gold stand dirt. But uh I, I have to say I really liked It's it's long as hell. In the future, I would like to have the theatrical cut fresh in my mind and then sit down on like a Sunday and just like watch it, pause it to do laundry started again, you know, pause it to go like, you know, glare at the neighbors because the trash can is it's not it.

18:32 I'm taking it in. There's seventy extra minutes a movie in it. It's awesome and. And censored dialogue galore. Oh my lord, you fat, free, fat freak. The best part did you love him? Yeah? No, it wasn't it It was? And then you love him for everyone to see. The best part about that is it's there's a word every now and then there's a perfect word and the swear dubbing in Needful Things, the word is egregious. Oh yeah, because you literally see a person fully mouthing j Walsh especially, but you I mean like, but they're not, they're like fully mouthing thought. It's like and you're hearing like love or freak. The funny one was we said you love them for everybody. I was like, the first thing I have was, you know, screw the better replacement then love, because that's that made it even more distracting. Yeah, it's like it's like when mister Show did that you know you mother father chineseentist.

19:34 Yeah, but yeah, needful things TV cut. You can get it on Keno's new four. K they just put out, and the four K looks a movie. Yeah, the four K and the Blu Ray both second disc has one hundred and ninety one minute TV cut on it. Very worth it if you're a fan of the movie. And but yeah, get ready for some hilarious dubs. Yeah, it's it's really funny. So then we checked out Bronsirkers Dracula, which, yeah, we revisited it, and then we both saw a movie for the first time called Chocolate Strawberry Vanilla from fourteen. How much time do you have? No? Like I was, I gotta be honest, I was very conflicted. Do you even movie will be right back, welcome back to do you even movie?

20:27 Because everything I researched about Chocolate Strawberry Vanilla said I would probably not like it. Like it. But then my buddy Ryan Ryan over at Terror Vision. Go to Terror Vision and buy some cool movies. They're not sponsoring us, But I bet I could trick Ryan into buying me a donut. Probably so. But Ryan had told you how great the film was and how proud he was to release it, which made me very curious. And the big problem was it's not a horror movie, and the marketing that tries to make it look like a horror movie really hurts it.

21:08 Especially the poster. I mean even IMDb's poster right now I'm looking at it looks like a horror film, even though it's his comedy and drama. It's much more of like a cartoony taxi driver. Yeah. Absolutely, because the main character is super big and over the top yep. But he owns it, and when he brings it around and makes it real, it breaks your fucking heart. Man. The synopsis says, a Black County drama about a lonely ice cream van driver, Warren Thompson and his unhealthy obsession with television soap starlet Katie George. And chocolate strawberry Vanilla. You could watch for free on tub or get your very own fully loaded blu ray from Terror Vision. Cannot recommend it enough. It was a shock how much I loved it. Yeah, I loved the ending. I thought the ending was brilliant because I was afraid that it was going to turn into a horror movie and kind of then lose all the luster of what had been building to be a wacky horror comedy thing. And it didn't. No, it did not, It didn't. It had horrific elements. I can see why you would want to say it's a horror movie. Yeah, I just don't think that helps it. No, as far as like your experience as a viewer. Yeah, but really I really enjoyed.

22:19 That fantastic movie. Cannot recommend that enough. And then I got to show you nineteen sixty Eight's the Swimmer You sure did with Bert Lancaster. It sure was. A man spends a summer day swimming home via all the pools in his quiet suburban neighborhood. Is the synopsis. I mean, fair enough, fair enough this movie. I found it a couple of years ago via one of the streaming service I think two we had it, but Grindhouse Releasing put out a beautiful disc of it. They have the only release of it. It is a great new transfer. It is basically late nineteen sixties Falling Down in a sense. Yeah, I kind of. The more I think about that, the more I think that at best Falling Down was mildly inspired.

23:03 Oh yeah, yeah, I mean because it's not. I mean, it's not. It does not have the violence or anything like Falling Down has obviously. Or the breakdown or the really I mean, but that's not I see. I'm not gonna spoil it, even though I mean it's a forty over forty year old movie. But I mean that movie fought in Vietnam. But but no, I just think that for the most part, the things that has in common are just not massive. Yeah, but they're interesting. Get that. So that That's my entire point. And then we closed out with a new four K release of Devil Times five. I have a soft spot for that film, especially because we launched the first season of Popcorn Fodder by hosting it. Yeah, and it was actually new to me. My producer, Dan is the one who picked that one for us to watch.

23:50 My god, it is never looked so good. It is never looked so good. After five insane children are involved in a van reck, they go to a lodge where they start killing people who insult them or are rude to them. Not very good description the kids are. The kids are out to kill, no matter. It's wow. Here's Dave Shaman, the mentally ill wow state psychiatric badge at one point. Yeah, but that doesn't make you a murderer, David. They are not tell us how you feel about Puerto Rican Dave, No, No, but they are. They're psychopathic kids. And and it's got a great atmosphere, and it's made so much better by everything being very clear. This film arguably fell into the public domain years and years ago, and because of that, nearly every copy has been pretty rough to watch. This one.

24:46 Everything is clear as day. It was right off of the original camera negatives. It looks so good that it's kind of upsetting it and some of the effects are legitimately way worse, I mean in a good way. And we saw the one, the one of the very big deaths in the beginning, and we were shocked at how bloody it was. Because you couldn't see it. It was just hard to tell. Ye. Yeah, so I was very impressed by the transfer. Yeah, and it does. It gives the movie a whole new life. And that's something that I never used to believe until Blu Ray became a thing, was that you could watch a movie you'd seen a ton of times, but if you get that bigger, better quality experience, it can sometimes bring the movie back to life. Not always, like I hate to say this because you're gonna get super mad, but one of the movies I thought it would do that for and it didn't was Batman.

25:36 Oh oh no, I see that. I haven't seen the four K yet, though. Well I haven't seen the four K. I'm talking about the Blue ray and the first time I watched a Blue ray. I still love that movie. Yeah, it just that one did not maybe go WHOA. I got to see the four K transfer of Batman, Batman Returns and Batman Mask the Phantasm a couple of years ago for Batman Day in Theater, and those four K transfers of all three of those in fucking credible. I mean that may have also just been because you were in a theater too. I mean I'm not trying to pick on it. It's just fine. But I mean, I still love that movie. That was one where I did not feel like I got an entirely new experience, new experience. The only the only one that I can recall of that nature was Jaws, because the Jaws of Blu Ray coming out was one that I wanted so badly. I was in college when it drops, so we're probably talking like twenty thirteen, twenty twelve.

26:18 I could name dozens of movies that I thought having a Blu Ray actually completely elevated them. Nearly every ful chee movie that's been put on Blu Ray. It's like the visuals are stunning, Yeah, and all of a sudden you're getting hit over the head with them, where before they were just kind of they just didn't pop as much as I don't know, it's it's I'm sure it's just me. I'm insane. So that was our marathon. That was no sfaratu. Are you ready to get to watch more? If you hadn't had to sleep in? What the hell you did? You slept two years? I got home at two. I got home at two too. You were a two two at home? Damn right, all right, fair enough. Hey, it's my home. I'm gonna be comfy. So are you ready to talk about wind River?

26:58 Never even heard of it? Wind River from twenty seventeen, one hour and forty seven minutes, rated R for strong violence, a rape, disturbing images, and language. Language. Once again, I hate when people speak language. I V synopsis says a wildlife officer who was haunted by a tragedy that happened because of him, teams up with an FBI agent in solving a murder of a young woman on a Wyoming, Wyoming Native American reservation and hopes to get redemption from his past regrets. Did it say haunted by a tragedy that happened because of him? That's not exactly accurate. It's not really no, no, my synopsis. Okay, When a young woman's body is found on a Wyoming Native American reservation, an FBI agent teams up with the town's veteran game tracker to bring the guilty to justice. Oh h, I mean, I mean, yeah, you you get that one. But that's not right. That's not right. Wow.

27:43 Oh I by instinct, I wanted to click the boo. I gotcha. That's fair. No, that was a better synopsis, Yeah, but the other one kind of whiffed it pretty hard. So, you know. Taglines include nothing is harder to track than the truth that one's all right. Danger comes with the territory kind of like that. You could you could put that on almost any movie that's outdoorsy. I mean, that could be bushwhack tagline. This is the land of Okay, this is the land of You're on your ownry said the movie too, uh, An engaging thriller from the writer of Sacario and Hell or High Water and the producer of Loan Survivor. Phenomenal tagline IMDb. I mean there. They have a lot of problems, and one of them is that's not a tagline, no, you know.

28:33 One of the other problems, though, is no more message boards. Thank god. Win River is currently available on fowsome. You can also rent and buy it from Prime and Voodoo. And I can confirm, because we just watched it, that there is a new four K transfer available as well. Yeah, yeah, and a four K disc available exclusively through Walmart via steel Book. And only for real fans. So Dave doesn't have it, shut up. Director and writer on the film is Taylor Sheridan. He gets his start in twenty eleven with directing Vile, then goes on You direct Win River, which he's the writer on in twenty seventeen, Yellowstone TV series in twenty eighteen. He's the writer on Those Who Wish Me Dead. He is the writer and director on in twenty twenty one, Mayor of Kingstown in twenty twenty one, also eighteen eighty three and twenty one Lioness Landman. He's also the writer on that as well. He also wrote Sacario in twenty fifteen, Hell or High Water in twenty sixteen, Cacario, Day of Saldado in twenty eighteen, Without Remorse in twenty twenty one, Did you see that?

29:24 I don't think Michael B. Jordan Tom Clancy movie on Prime. That sounds familiar. He saw a bunch of trailers fort in theaters. I just never got around to it. He also did the story The Last Cowboy in twenty twenty one, and wrote Tulsa King in twenty twenty two. Hey, A cinematographer on the film is Ben Richardson. He gets his start in twenty twelve Beast of the Southern Wild, which I think actually won an Oscar was nominated. I can't remember. I want to say it was nominated for sure. Then he goes to shoot Drinking Buddies in twenty thirteen. Oh, he shot Swanberg's Swanberg. And then he goes to shoot Happy Christmas in twenty fourteen, Swanberg again, the fault in our Store in twenty fourteen. That is quite a stretch. Cut Bank in twenty fourteen. Okay, digging for fire in twenty fifteen.

30:06 Yeah, he and Swanberg must be old time buddies. Then he shoots win River in twenty seventeen, Table nineteen and twenty seventeen, sand Castle in seventeen, nineteen, twenty two and twenty seventeen, The Chi in twenty eighteen, Yellowstone twenty eighteen, Those Who Wish Me Dead twenty twenty one, Mayor of Eastown in twenty twenty one, Mayor of Kingstown in twenty twenty one, eighteen eighty three and twenty twenty one and nineteen twenty three. In twenty twenty two. Wow, Yeah, a lot of a lot a lot of the numbers there, buddy. The cast includes Elizabeth Olsen, who plays Jane Banner in the film. She gets her start in nineteen ninety four's How the West Was Fun? Remember Mary Kate Olsen Olvie, I Sure do. Full House in nineteen ninety five, followed by Martha Marcy May Marlene in twenty eleven, Silent House in twenty eleven, Peace, Love and Misunderstanding in twenty eleven, Red Lights in twenty twelve, Liberal Arts in twenty twelve, Kill Kill Your Darlings in twenty thirteen, Very Good Girls in Secret, Old Boy remake in twenty thirteen, which I did not see but I've heard is good. Captain America Winter Soldier in twenty fourteen, Godzilla in twenty fourteen, The Avengers as of Ultron in twenty fifteen, I Saw the Light twenty fifteen, Captain America's Civil War in twenty sixteen, Drunk History, Ingrid Goes West Wind River in twenty seventeen, Coda, Chrome Harming Quest, Avengers Infinity Warren twenty eighteen, Avengers Endgame.

31:18 Oh Yeah, she became the Scarlet Witch. Yeah, sorry for your loss. WandaVision. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madison twenty twenty two, Love and Death His Three Daughters, What If series by Marvel in twenty twenty three, and most recently The Assessment in twenty twenty four. Wow, Yeah, she's kept busy. Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back, Welcome back to Do You Even? Movie. Jeremy Renner also in the cast, playing Corey Lambert. He gets his start in nineteen ninety five's National Lampoon's Senior Trip, which I had no idea.

32:00 You had no idea what he was in it? Oh yeah, because I've seen really Trips several times. Yeah, Oh you know, I mean, I remember when Jeremy Renner started becoming this big, big star. My first thought was the guy from Dahmer. Yeah, so that was my first one too, Friends Betrayal in ninety six, Paper Dragons in ninety six, the Net TV series in ninety nine. That's one thing with this show I'm finding out is a lot of movies that I love also had TV series. I had no idea or they tried, they tried. Yeah, followed by Angel in two thousand, Fish in a Barrel two thousand and one. He appeared on CSI and O one as well. Then does Dahmer in two thousand and two, Swatted in two thousand and three. Oh man, I remember Swat Pink. The music video for Trouble in two thousand and three. Hard Is Deceitful above all Things, Neo ned Lords of Dogtown, North Country twenty eight weeks later in two thousand and seven, Take the Assassination of Jesse James by Robert Ford in two thousand and seven, House, the hurt Locker Ingenius the Town, which is one of my favorite lines with him, where Athlet comes in and he's like, we're gonna hurt some people.

32:57 I can't tell you who, but we gotta get going now, all right, let's go. That's a friend. Mission Impossible, Goes Protocol, Robot Chicken, The Avengers Born Legacy, huns On Gretel Witch Hunters, which I really like. By the way, know you have the three D blu. Ray Well, I mean I have a lot of three D blue, right, that's fair. Avengers, Age of ultron A, Mission Impossible, Rogue Nation, Captain America, Civil War Arrival in twenty sixteen, When River in twenty seventeen, The House in twenty seventeen, Tag in twenty eighteen, followed by Avengers Endgame, Arctic Dogs, Hawkeye TV series What If, and Mary of Kingstown in twenty twenty one. I mean He's had quite a career. Also on the cast is Graham Green, who plays Ben. One hundred and seventy four credits on him. Wow, He's been in a lot of stuff. Gets to start in nineteen seventy six with Bei Shao Ln, then does Running Brave in eighty three, Revolution in eighty five, Powow Highway, Dances with Wolves. In nineteen ninety, La Law, Clearcut, Thunderheart, Cooperstown, Northern Exposure, Murder. She wrote Maverick The Red Green Show, which I forgot he was a regular on. Oh Yeah, followed by Poulter, eric I Harbord, Avengeance in ninety five, The Pathfinder, The Outer Limits, Poulter Guys Legacy Series, All Roads, Leading Cacappy, Song of Hiawatha, Gray Awl, The Green Mile, Big Wolf on Campus in two thousand.

34:07 I loved Big boson Camps much fun. That was a really fun show. Snow Dogs in two thousand and two, Trans America Into the West, Numbers, Twilight, New Moon, Casino Jack, Running Mates, Twilight, Breaking Dawn, Part one, Winter's Tale, Defiance, Win River in twenty seventeen, The Shack in twenty seventeen, Molly's Game twenty seventeen, Longmire in twenty seventeen, Riverdale in twenty eighteen, The Detour, Red Dev Redemption two, Project Blue Rock, Goliath, Tar American Gods, Antlers eighteen eighty three, The Last of Us Reservation Dogs, and Tulsa King in twenty twenty four. I like how you just said. You just said Red Dead Redemption two didn't even mention its video game. Yeah, it is a video. Do you think people don't know that? Yeah, all right, movie fans, My apologies. Some people are not epic gamers like you.

34:51 I just that game has no notoriety with it, so I figured people would know that. You never know. So, what was your first time watching Lyn? You know, I've tried to forget because, as they say, it's only as good as the company you keep so fart sound. No. Uh, we saw it in the theater right when it came opening. Not open Tuesday. I had been a Tuesday. No, it was a regular because because this movie is what made us then want to run out and see Taylor shared in movies even more because Sacario was awesome, But it didn't really feel like a tailor shared joint, I mean quite to the same the same way Hell or. High Water by this point, I think we saw it on your birthday, one of your birthday movies.

35:33 Were you there with me? Yeah? Was just she was just you and me. We went to the screen. Yeah, I remembered I broke away from everybody to go see something. Yeah, that Hell or High Water was my first like, whoa, this is what that dude's doing. Yeah. Before that, I had just known him as a screenwriter. Yeah, mostly in an actor. Yeah, but uh yeah, I thought he did an incredible job with When River. That one definitely blew me away. I also have a soft spot for snow movies, winter movies, stuff like that. Absolutely, the high tension, high drama really really may impressed me. So I've considered this like a must rewatch maybe every two years or. So, I'd say, so. Yeah, No, it was. It was one that we we'd seen the trailers four because we've gone to the theaters and everything, and we were gonna go see it no matter what, because we knew that shared Ha had done Hell or High Water and Scarius. We wanted to see it. I just remember being blown away by once we hit a point We'll get to when I get to the breakdown that the movie just didn't stop from that point on.

36:28 Yeah, it's called the climax, not the climax. But okay, it's the climax, it's. Not the climax of me. Are we thinking about the same part? I don't know now, I want to thinking of the bear spray. Oh once that all happened, and that shit really takes off from that point. Okay, fine, I don't really agree, but okay. We'll get there. But yeah, no, needless to say, we really love this movie and enjoyed your visiting it. Are you ready to get into the actual movie at the hell? All right? So we opened with a text that states inspired by true events. As we see a woman running for her life through a snowy field, no gloves, she's barefoot, She collapses, crawls her a little bit, and then returns to running into the night. While this is happening, a voiceover says, there is a meadow in my perfect world where wind dances the branches of the trees, casting leopard spots on the lights across the face of this pond.

37:16 The tree stands tall and grand, alone, shading the world beneath it. It's here the cradle eye hold deer. I guard every memory of you, And when I find myself frozen the mud of the real, far from your loving eyes, a return to this place, close mine and take solace in the simple perfection of knowing you, my dear Annabelle Lee. So the next morning, we see a wolf stalking us. She heard as shots begin to ring out and dropping the wolves, we see a man in white a camo as we meet Corey Lambert played by Jeremy Runner in the film, Yes Yes, and we see Corey drive over to his ex wife's house. As she comments on the blood on his clothes, he says he was working. We meet his ex wife, Wilma, and they seem cordial but not entirely friendly. Ah, I mean, one of my favorite lines of the whole movie is when when she points out the blood and she's says who He says, I was working. She says, who's the victim today? And she walks away and he just says, I guess me.

38:05 I guess like yeah. So that is when Corey is also there to pick up his son Casey for the weekend. Wilma is driving out to a job interview in Jackson and is not very thrilled with the with the town to win River basically, well, they don't live in wind River properly. Wind River is the Indian reservation, which she is native, but she doesn't live in the reservation. But one of the things I thought was really interesting is their their friction is pretty minor. She informs him, I'm trying to get a job out of town, and usually that would be a point of contention in a film, you know, where it'd be like, well, but I don't want my son to do whatever. No, he's like, that's a good idea. Yeah, you know, you make better money, you'd be happier. And then she says, you know, well it's a lot more expensive out there. You know, the child' support will be rougher.

38:51 And he's like, you concentrate on getting the job and we'll figure out the rest later. So he's like, it's clear that co parenting is definitely something that they're about. They're not really about being petty or fighting with each other or anything like that. And you get a sense of his safety too, because his son comes down and he's carrying the rifle and it's wasn't a gun. I think it's a bb gun y Yeah, yeah, and it's pointing out and he's just like, hey, hey, hey, Like basically, even when it's not loaded, treat it like it's loaded. Yeah, because it was pointing toward him when he's even though he's not holding it like a like to shoot it. He says like, hey, you know what's which way is that pointing and immediately drops his bag and stops doing it. Yeah, He's like, remember, you treat a gun like it's loaded even when it isn't when it isn't. So. Corey and his son are next shown on the farm feeding horses before he puts him up on the horse, teaching him how to ride and guide the horse. Corey then drives to the wind River Indian Reservation with Casey as he is greeted by his father in law, Dan Crowhart, which is Wilma's father, who's showing Corey some tracks on the land. As they find a dead steer, Corey quickly figures out that there is a lion with three cubs and it's teaching her cubs how to hunt livestock m hmm, and Corey borrows Crowhart's snowmobile heads out to the hills tracking the the tracking the path of them and he comes across a trail of blood and also starts to see some human footprints. And this is a little odd.

39:58 It's unusual because pretty much he's one of the only people who would be wandering out that far. Do you Even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to do You Even? Movie? So he grabs his pack off the back of a snowmobile, getting his winter cover on, along with his rifle on a pistol, and he starts following the tracks on foot. We see him come across the spot in the snow where a body has fallen, and it's where we saw in the beginning where the woman fell when she was running, and then looking far over to his left, he sees what appears to be a body in a blue winter coat.

40:39 He approaches it with a pistol drawn, confirming that it is a dead young woman with frostbitten feet and hands and blood on her mouth as well, with her eyes wide open. Well, it's worth mentioning native young woman. A young woman, yes, so she is definitely a resident of the air of the area. Corey, looking to Stratt, retrieves his radio and makes a call to emergency assistance reporting the body, and sometime later we see Corey along with Crowhart and Sheriff Ben, discussing that the FBI is coming in and how they can't move the body until their arrival. Ben states he knows it looks like Natalie, but he can't confirm it. But Corey is wasting no time and he's like, no, that is that is Natalie one hundred percent. Well, really, the sheriff is trying to put off having to contact the family until he's positive, but also he just doesn't want to do it right away because it's going to be awful.

41:23 So Corey sees a black suv off to the side outside the station and he goes over to meet FBI agent Jane Banner. Banner introduces herself to Ben as he introduces her to Corey, and we find out that Corey is a US Wildlife and Fish agent. He's basically a game warder. Yeah yeah, well, and she she arrives hours after they've went and and and a first looked over the body because they mentioned since it's a murder on federal land, they need the federal land even though it's a reservation, they need the FBI, And of course, who knows how long it'll take him to get there. We're way, all way up here and there's a huge snowstorm, snowstorm just starting. Yeah, So she pulls up in her suv wearing a freaking fall jacket. Yeah, completely unaware. Also because I think it matters, she's, you know, blonde hair, blue eyed, skinny, white lady from Vegas. No, she's not, She's from Florida. She flew in from Vegas, like that's where she ye, I know because in the movie they argue about that. That's why. Yes, I'm sorry, Wow, you guys got to see Dave actually get man house faces all red. But no, No, But my point is like she's just very fish out of water because because even Renner, I mean, Renner's kind of has like a dirty, dirty blonde hair and he has blue eyes. He's very white, but he has this hardness to him that tells you very clearly he's grown up in the rough land. So she's showing up and she is about as fish out of water as you can get.

42:46 Yeah, and she states this, you want to see the body, and that's when Ben's like, you know, well, you know you could go, but you do not have the proper attile. The body is like five miles out and you'd probably be dead before we even got there. In the say probably, he says, he said you'd be dead by the time we got there. Corey invites Banner into the station as she's given proper winter attire by Alice Crowhart, who requests that she bring it back the moment she's done with it because they are her granddaughters. Yes, and that's the beginning of us getting the hints about why there's such a wedge between our main character and his ex wife. Absolutely, so, Corey tells Casey he needs a couple more hours for work and he will be back as well. We see ben Corey and Banner take off on snowmobiles to the crime scene, where the tribal police are already there. Banner comments on the weather being a blizzard and now it's now clear, and they tell her it comes and goes in waves, basically that they can be driving one second a blzzard and then it can be gone the next.

43:35 Yeah. So, if you've ever been in a really deep valley, the weather flows in and out super fast, it can be very off putting. When I was down at the Mahoning Drive in in Lee Heighten, Pennsylvania, you're literally that drive in theater is literally in the valley next to the Appalachian Mountains. Yeah, and I have been there are multiple times where storms with like forty not maybe not forty, but like twenty five thirty mile per hour winds just come in, drench everything and are gone in fifteen minutes. Jebbree, That's well, that was one of the worst examples. I mean, that was terrifying. Yeah, But my point is, like I always warn people when they go there, I'm like, bring waterproof shoes because you might need them because if it rains, it's going to rain like crazy and not even for very long, and then everything will be wet and muddy.

44:28 It. That's the way a lot of valleys are, and I imagine it would have to be the same way when you're in between all those snow covered mountains. Yeah, that it would just kind of push in and push out. Absolutely. So. Banner questions positive idea as she goes to Natalie's body, seeing signs of rapes. She requests a kit to examine her body, and also questions why a teenage girl would be out here thirty minutes from her home barefoot. Yeah, and Corey tells her the nearest house is miles away. Plus there's an oil rig with apartments for the workers, but it's currently closed. Ben does mention there is a pair of brothers who go by the Little Feathers and they could be they could use some looking into because they are not the best bunch, and that he has locked up their father. Before too well, and they're known for partying out that way. Yeah. So Banner asked Corey about the tracks and he informs her judging by the fact that Natalie's lungs burst from the cold, she was running the entire way until she collapsed barefoot barefoot.

45:14 Yeah, important to remember barefoot. Well, and he talks about how the air is so cold that your lungs basically crystallize and burst. Yeah, Well, they freeze and then by from being frozen, they start to rip apart. So then you start coughing up blood, you drown in your own blood and then fall to the ground and then you freeze while you're suffocating. Yeah, and. Hell of a way to go. Uh you think this, baby, what would you prefer? Fire firing squad? Ah? Nice? So, commenting on how Natalie was a fighter and wouldn't go down easier, Banner requests Corey's help on the investigation, and Ben tells her that Corey doesn't work for him, but he's got a lion to hunt. But she says, you know that she could really use his help, so Banner asked Corey to join her on the investigation. Sometimes later, we find Corey at his house making his own ammunition.

46:02 When Casey comes up asking about the body that they found earlier, Corey tells him it was just a girl who lost her way in the snow, and Casey questions if she died like Emily, and Corey comments she died from the cold, causing Casey to state again, so she died like Emily, which Corey confirms, Well. And this is where we start to realize that it's uh, there's a lot of tragedy in this area. And I want to point out by the way he's he's not I mean, he's making he is making his own ammunition. But what it's technically called is reloading or loading technically, but usually people reload, they reuse the shell casings gotcha to make bullets. There are a couple of reasons you may want to reload ammunition. Generally, the most popular reason is to save money, because ammunition costs money, and you can save the brass and then put gunpowder in it, put a new I'm gonna mess up everything because I'm not like completely in there, but you put a new not the firing pin, but you put a new whatever on the back of it. You put the bullet into a new bullet in there, and now boom, you've got a bullet for cents more instead of having to pay more, especially since ammunition prices have gone insane since twenty twenty. Yeah, although this was pre that. But the gun he has as a Marlin Model one eight nine five SBL with a scope. And I don't know a ton about that rifle work. But oh but I do actually know a lot about it because I was trying to find out what caliber it was, uh huh. And it's a forty five to seventy government. That's a that's a big game round.

47:38 It's considered like the bare minimum you need to hunt in Safari in Africa, so it can take down bears, it can take down potentially a moose. It's a very powerful bullet and I have shot a forty five seven. I don't know if you've ever shot Keith's forty five to seven. It's well, it's been years since he got it, so that that ship sale. He just doesn't like you. But it is a beastly gun. It's it's kind of an elephant gun, and it kicks like a goddamn mule. I shot it six or seven times and my shoulder was aching. And then I famously got cocky and shot it once, not holding it tight, and the scope cut my nose open. Oh shit. It wasn't like, I mean, just enough to be like, oh, I better clean that when I get home. But and I was like I deserve that. I got cocky. I wasn't freaking concentrating. I was just like, it's a big gun. But that's a very powerful bullet, a very powerful cartridge. But the reason he's loading his own ammunition is he wants a very specific power rating. He wants a high load of gunpowder so that the projectile will go really fast for what he does, because he's an expert in his field and he wants to make sure it's completely reliable. He wants to make sure it's absolutely exactly. He wants every single bullet to be handled by himself. Those bullets aren't really expensed by the way, three dollars apiece Jesus. So anyway, I thought it looked like a forty five to seventy.

49:08 But I'm not a hunting rifle guy. Yeah, I don't know a whole lot about those guns. The one that our buddy Keith has, which might be the same Marlin, but he bought it because that was the gun Chris Pratt had in Jurassic World. Yeah, so anyway, but I just want to mention that's why he's loading it. He takes a great deal of care in how he hunts, which I assume partially is there's a lot of references to how much he respects the native lands and the native tribes. In part I would assume that's so that he gets clean kills and he's never cruel. That makes sense. But that's worth mentioning also because when you see what this gun can do later, it's actually relatively accurate. Yeah, I would say so. So the next morning, Banner joins Ben at the station as the go to visit the corner. He puts ut that Natalie had a deep laceration on her head, frost bit at stage four on feet and hands with vaginal wal torn at different depths he can't confirm with multiple or responsible for that, and they will have the test results in six weeks. Ben questions what he's going to listen as the cause of death in the corner states that she died from hemorrhaging.

50:04 Banner questions, why not a homicide, adding she can't get a team up here unless it's listed as a homicide. The corner states he understands the issue, but he has to go by what the body shows. Ben commends Banner for her passion on the case, basically saying, you know, like we never had FBIL out here like treating like this, like with this passion, like yeah, yeah, she cares, We appreciate it, and that She argues that if her supervisor sees the report, he will want her back. In Vegas, Ben and Banner go out to visit Natalie's father, Martin, trying to get any information on why or where she was coming from, and Martin is put off by her. Manner first reminds Banner that Natalie was eighteen and he basically let her be a kid in a sense, he. Let her be an adult. You mean be an adult? Yes, oh yeah, yeah, he said, she's an adult. She's an adult. Yeah, do you even?

50:45 Movie? Will be right back. Welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? Banner requests to speak to his wife Annie as Ben tries to stop her. Banner then again ask Market if it's okay, and he's like, yeah, I know, go ahead. So she proceeds back to the bedroom to find Annie in the bedroom crying as she's cutting her arm and is it her arm in her hand? She's just cutting up her arm orist. Yeah, she's just she's self mutilating, she's not attempting suicide. Yeah. But on a happier note, David Jesus, it is the exact same rifle from Jurassic World, Oh is it? Which means that that's the rifle we featured and nothing good ever happen.

51:29 But it's very true. Yeah, it's a beautiful, beautiful rifle, but it will hurt you. So Banner returns to Ben and Martin, apologizing as a knock rings out. Martin opens the door to find Corey as he begins to get emotional, hugging Corey and begins to sob loudly, so Ben shuts the door, leaving Ben and Banner in the same room together. Outside, Corey tries to comfort Martin, stating he wishes he could say it's gonna get easier, but it doesn't, and then goes on to say that he went to a grief seminar to get answers. The counselor sat down and told him something that's stuck with them. I've got some good news. I've got some bad news. The bad news is you're never gonna be the same. You lost your daughter and nothing will ever replace that. The good news is, the moment you accept that and allow you to suffer, you'll allow her to visit you in your mind and relive all those great memories. He goes on to tell Martin tot to not let him be robbed of the great memories and take the pain. It's the only way you'll keep her with you.

52:16 Well, he mentions, he tried to escape the pain and it just made it so much worse. And this is a really incredible scene because now we fully understand that our main character lost a daughter very similar age to his friend, and they appear to be friends or at least very friendly, and yeah, so now we're realizing that he's went through this pain. It's also one of the few times that you see somebody go through a great deal of pain and then somebody sits down and tells them what's up, and they don't get mad because he's like, no, you know exactly what I'm what I'm feeling right now, like exactly. So Martin tells Corey he's tired of this life. His own son, Chip, who lives down the road, has basically gone to him. He hasn't talked to him in years.

52:57 Corey questions if he might be involved with the Little Feather Boy, and Martin questions, what's his involvement with Banner in this. Corey tells him he's a hunter and he knows what he's doing, and Martin tells him then to go find out who did this. He doesn't care who it is and that's all he says, and Corey tells him he understands, and Martin tells him then to get off. His porch and go do it, damn right. So Corey, Banner, and Ben and his deputies right out to the Little Feather residence, which is a trailer off the road down a bit as we hear music playing pumping out of the house. As they pull up, Corey immediately finds TI find snowmobile tracks in the back and banner questions what they should wait? Banner questions, should they wait for backup? And that's when Ben tells her this isn't the land of backup. This is the land of you're on your own. Yeah, I mean, and it's becoming more and more evident every second. Yeah, that there's not a whole lot. I mean, I think it was, it was before this. There's one part where she tells the sheriff flat out, like you have eight, six deputies. It's six deputies to cover a space the side of the road, like, unless this crawls into your lap and goes to sleep, you'll never solve it.

53:57 And he's like, hey, I know, yeah, that's his He's like, I am fully aware. So that is when Ben goes to knock on the trailer door. As Sam Little Feather comes to the door clearly on something. Ben questions where his brother is, and Sam reminds him that he's in jail, and Ben's like, oh, yeah, you're right, I put him there. He's like, oh, I guess you know, parole, I guess the system's not working out fine. So yeah, he has no problem saying what he thinks about these guys. So Sam tells Ben he's got something for him from his po with when Banner quickly asked for him to show him hands, She's like, you know, let me see your hands. But Sam suddenly comes around the corner and sprays them with bear mace. Yeah, and the cop starts to realize something is going to happen. Yeah, which is another great example of the FBI agent does not have a lot of experience. Yeah, because the moment like the guy's hands go out of sight, the the sheriff is immediately like like, let me see your hands, let me your hands, like he.

54:47 Knows Actually I think no, I think Banner is. I think the FBI just let me see your hands because he I know you're right first. No, yeah, right, I'm thinking of later. I'm thinking of later. Ben, Ben and Banner both get sprayed with bear mace and they start to and puking. Corey goes around back as the two try to flee. He hits one of them with a shovel, knocking them to the ground, and then kicks the other, knocking him out. Yeah. And this does things get really fast paced here, Yeah, real quick. So Corey goes around back dealing with them, and that is when uh. Banner goes to enter the trailer, which is in very rough shape but appears to be empty. As she makes her way through it, her eyes are stinging. She still got some saliva coming out, and she comes to the back as Sam pops out, opening fire on her with a shotgun. Banner ducks around the corner then puts several shots into Sam, dropping him. Ben then comes in, telling her Corey is out front and they need to go out, but Banner states, you know Sam isn't dead.

55:37 He needs to get ems here, and Ben tells her the meds are like an hour away. You know he's not gonna make it. She's like, no, he's still alive. And he dies right there. Well, he tells them just he just makes her wait a second and then the guy dies. He's like, no time, So out front, Corey apprehended Natalie's brother, Chip and Frank Walker. Banner questions Ship about Natalie, causing Chip to ask what did that cracker do now? And Banner questions was Natalie dating a white guy? Chip questions why was? Why she said was? And he's like, you know, why'd you say it was? And starts getting hysteric, Corey tells him about finding Natalie raped and murdered this morning. As Chip begins to cry and scream. We cut away and Corey shows Banner the snowmobil tracks along the ridge, basically saying that you know, here's what I found when we got here. You're kind of missing the signs. They track up the mountain, continuing asking why there's no tracks coming back and adding the answer is out there.

56:24 Yeah. So that is when Banner tells Corey that she's out of her depth and has no idea about tracking, but he reminds her that is what he does, and she asks for his help and that they're going to make this right. So they make their way up the mountain, stopping as the storm clears, and Corey tells her that they're going to walk from here because the path is what too deep for the snow? Yeah, it's too deep the snow machine will yeah, and not be able to dig through it or stand on top of it. So that is when they don snowshoes and begin trekking through the snow on the tracks, and they quickly discover the remains of another body that a bird is feasting on. Did you notice the bird takes a bite out of the acid and then flies away. Oh yeah, yeah, so the bird takes a bite and then flies away. Corey goes over to look at the body, and later that night, Corey and Banner rejoined Ben as he tells her that Chip and Frank aren't the talking type and prefer to be arrested as the rights of passage as anything has got to be better than living in this place.

57:10 It They do not shy away from saying it like it is. Yeah. Corey requests to speak the Chip as Banner gets a call and steps away, and that's when Ben tells him he's in the car. As Corey goes over to speak the Chip, Chip is quick to tell him that he didn't do shit, and Corey is quick to state that he's not going to say life is fair, but the land is all they have. Chip fires off at him, saying, what's this wee shit? Basically, you know, the only reason that you're native is because your ex wife and the daughter that you couldn't protect. Yeah, and that's one of the only times we see Corey lose his cool. Yeah, literally grabs grabs Chip and just puts his head right against the front of the chair of the seat and throws him back. Yeah, well and it's it's it's I think he was Actually, wasn't he in the front seat? He wasn't in the bah? He gets his head into the tashboard because it was violent, and then he tells him you're not to talk about that. Yeah, you're not allowed.

57:55 So Chip tells him that. Corey tells Corey that he met Natalie's boyfriend Matt. He works secure already at one of the drill sites. He asked about a last name, and Ship tells him that Sam knew. Why don't you go ask him? And Corey tells him he thinks Chip will be seeing Sam long before he does, so Corey rejoins Ben and Banner, who's not thrilled with Corey talking to Chip, but Corey asked if Ben is going to go to the rig tomorrow, and Ben asks if Corey would join them, so later that night, Corey goes to see Wilma, but she sees through the guilt, sees through his guilt mentioning Emily before she tells him good night. Banner then rejoins Corey, telling him they've identified the body in the hills as Matt Rayburn, security contractor for the drill station. He invites Banner in, offering her some water, and Banner begins to look around his home, finding pictures of a young girl. Corey returns to tell her that that's his daughter, Emily, who passed three years ago, and he doesn't know what happened exactly, adding he was out working in Pinewood he found himself with the night off, so he and Wilma went out. Word got out and a little gathering turned into quite a party, adding that some friend showed up, and then some friends didn't or and then some non friends showed up. But he got a call the next morning from Natalie that Emily was missing and she was worried as they were best friends.

59:00 Mollie and Natalie were best friends, so right, the one who died at the beginning of the movie, and Corey's daughter, right right, So that's why he's very close to that family. So Corey adds they tried to be careful with Emily when she was a good girl, and they let her guard down, telling Banner that she ever has kids, don't blink. Yeah, And this is an incredible moment too, because this is where Jane realizes that what they're going through and what she's asked Corey to help him with. Because there's a great part early on when she says like, I'm going to need your help, and the Sheriff's like, hey, he doesn't work for me, work for me. He's the he works for the you know, the game and wildlife people. So now she's realized that she's dragged him along to basically solve a crime obscenely reminiscent of his own daughter's death.

59:44 Not just that it's a young girl, yeah, and that she's turning up dead, but it's the best friend of his dead daughters. Yeah. In a way, he like loosely blames himself just because he wishes he had been more vigilant, which is why that IMDb thing pissed me off a little bit. I was like, I was like, it was not his fault. We'll call IMDb after this. So I'm gonna call Rob IMDb and tell him he needs to get a shit together. Do You Even? Movie will be right back. Welcome back to Do You Even? Movie.

1:00:26 Emily's body was found twenty miles away, and the autopsy couldn't say much as the coyotes had gotten to her First, Corey gets emotional as Banner excuses herself to the bathroom and we see his words hit her as she stares in the mirror for a bit before we joined. And that's what I was getting at. No, she doesn't staring. I mean she cries, She like whites a sob, she like freaks out. And that was my point is that's where it hits her that this dude is dealing with this, because I honestly, you know, I think it's pretty obvious, like there was a vibe that maybe they were gonna like, hey, what's up? Which is something that I like the Taylor Sheridan does is he'll set up something that's almost tropish. Yeah, like the the two you know, the Buddy characters, like being like, hey, you know it gets awfully cold near wind River? Yeah? What say? You know? No, she she's now devastated, Yeah, because she's realized that he's basically reliving the biggest, greatest trauma a parent can ever have with her in the room. Yeah, and he's somehow keeping it together.

1:01:24 I mean it the other incredibly Yeah. Yeah, I mean I wasn't kidding that when he beats up the one guy, when he shoves his head into the end of the dash that says, you don't get. To talk about that, like doesn't raise his voice or anything. No, but that's the only time we see him lose his cool, yeah at all. Yeah. Otherwise he's so. Freakishly calm, collected, Yeah, calm and collected. Yes. So she finds a poem that Emily wrote and Banner wishes him a good night. And the next morning, Corey meets up with Ben and Banner as they prepare to head out to the rig with a few more deputies. Banner walks them through the plan as the rig has cameras they're hoping it caught something, plus they're gonna search Matt's trailer. We see a beautiful aerial shot as they head out to the rig. Driving along the roads, Corey stops off, getting on his snowmobile and continuing the rest.

1:02:06 As they go down the road a little bit, they get off and get on their sleds and we see a sign marked West Central Fuel. Corey begins to find the line tracks in the snow gets off, proceeding on foot with his rifle. Ben and Banner and the rest of the men arrive at the rig. As the men as a man rides up to greet them, who clearly has some bruising on his face. Yeah. Well, I will say he has a pretty solid alibi. They snowmobile around and march around doing the perimeter all day long. Yeah, and he got hit in the face with a brand. Going sixty miles. Yes, and then they say why don't you wear a face shield? He's like, you know, I asked my bosses for that. Their response was snow soft, isn't it. Yeah, they're from Texas. So that is when they notice. Ben questions him about Matt, and the man tells him that he and his girlfriend had a fight and she took off and Matt went after her and they haven't seen him since. Fewman joined them as well, with some also sharing the scarring that Curtis has, and that's when they ask about the brand, As they say the sixty miles per hour thing. Ben asks if Matt bunks on the site, and they confirmed that they all do as Ben request to see the trailer. Meanwhile, Corey stumbles upon the lines den and he also takes out his binoculars to look down at banner, Ben and the group on the rig site.

1:03:12 Yeah, and if we haven't made it super clear Corey did not walk down with them. No, he has stayed off in the distance, just kind of observing. He's up in the hills. They're down right now, right, And and that's just a really important thing that's easy to kind of gloss over because up until then they were all together all the time. Yeah, And this sequence is brilliant in its tension. It's so brilliant because what you have here is you have a police and then you have the FBI agent. Yeah, and they all have you know, obviously have guns. But then the guys they're talking to are all holding rifles and pistols, but they're supposed to. It's not that's not something that should make them nervous because literally, these guys are stuck at an oil rig that is not operational right now because it's too but they're guarding the equipment. And you have to also look at it from that perspective of it's right next to the Indian Reservation on federal land.

1:04:09 The Indian Reservation has clearly got a lot of crime problems. Yes, so security is paramount there, and these guys are stuck in the middle of nowhere, freezing cold all day long, just hiking up and down the snow with rifles and riding around a stowmobiles to confirm things and basically nothing probably ever happens ever, really, So I just found that really fascinating because as these guys are walking up to them holding their shotguns and stuff, it's like, nothing's unusual. They're just guarding this space. Yeah, and that turns really quickly, real quick. And this is one of the reasons I love this movie, because this is what's about to happen, is what I thought you were referring to, because I believe from this point there's no no, it doesn't even it doesn't even yield to a stop sign. David, that's fair. No, like that's my point. Yeah, And this is where the movie becomes goes from a good film to a great film, because it was a good film because of the good characterizations, great location, great story, great emotional center. But now it becomes an incredible action thriller too. And it doesn't feel unnatural.

1:05:18 It feels like the simmer is about to become a boil. Yeah, So I'm very excited to talk about this. So the bruise man ask about finding Natalie's body, and Banner questions how he knew that since the name was never used over the radio, and he's like, oh, no, I heard it and you know, and she's like, well, we never reported the body using her name. So quickly the miners get uneasy as I he bends men starting to starting to create a flank around them, everyone draws their weapons in a standoffer. Well, specifically one of the police officers, yeah, freaks out and says they're flanking us, and they don't like I don't think they spell it out, but I'm guessing that he was in the service. Oh yeah, because the way he reacts, it's not like he's not like jerky and shape, you're nervous. No, he's just like, why are you guys fking us? Like because he knows is like his spider sense went off. Yeah, And the other cops while they're on board, they're even kind of like, dude, like what is going on going on? Like why are you so now everybody's got guns pointed at everybody.

1:06:15 Off every way. Banner calls out that she's with the FBI, she has jurisdics on the land, because that's one thing they argue over is this is native land. You don't have any rights. Here because they're like, this is native land, you know, the right thing. He's like, but this is our property that we leased to protect. Yeah, and then she's like, well, I'm a federal agent. I usurp all of you, whether you're private, private security, or you're the police. I'm the one who has jurisdiction. Put your guns down. So holds are their weapons. Curtis, the leader, is told by the Banner to take them to MAT's trailer, and Corey tries to radio to Bend to warn him, but a signal is not getting through, so he makes his way down slowly as not slowly, as quickly as he can. Curtis takes the group to mats trailer and tells tells her the guy named Pete who works third shift, is inside sleeping, and Banner begins to knock on the door as we cut to a flashback. And I'm gonna stop you for a second because, as I mentioned the synopsis, rape does happen in this movieguage and language, Yes, this scene is very intense. There's the trailer.

1:07:14 Damn it. Scene's very intense. So this is just a fair warning if you've never seen the movie. Right at this point. This is where shit really gets wild. Yeah yeah, So Matt is inside brushing his teeth as a knock rings out. Matt, of course played by John Berthnall in a cameo. Yeah, very good cameo too, He's very believable. So a knock rings out. He goes to the door and opens it and we see Natalie there. He's very happy to see her. He comments on how crazy she is walking over here in the snow before inviting her in and they have a smooch with each other. We see Matt and Natalie in bed with each other. That's what I literally wrote my notes. I know. That's why I'm making fun of you. So he comments. We see Matt and Natalie in bed as they discussed warmer places they could be. Matt tells her of a time that he was stationed and he wanted to get off base. And he tells her of a time that at Christmas he was alone, so he drove off port to a little mountain town called o Hi, a very friendly town where everyone says hello. It was one of the best Christmases he ever had, and Natalie says that's where they should move to, and he agrees.

1:08:12 When Suddenly we hear a bunch of snowmobiles pull up outside the trailer, and we can see Matt and Natalie both get a little uneasy, and he's like, you know, what time is it? And she's like, I thought they weren't coming back to it. I thought they're going to stay in town. And that's when we hear the trailer dore open and one of the men returning sees her shut the partition. He goes back opening it as we see Pete, Curtis, Evan and the others who were all very inebriated. Yeah, they're extremely drunk, and some of them are full blown sloppy drunk. Yeah, And Pete's even commenting on it smells like sex. And here Pete starts annoying Matt, who requests Kurt to remove him from the room, but no one's doing anything. They're all kind of laughing at Pete. Pete even goes as far as to pull the covers up as Matt kicks him off the bed. Well, and Pete notices that Natalie's but that Natalie's she was put on as much clothing as she could, so she's wearing her jacket and and like a long underwear, yeah, and so he's taunting him, saying like, but are you naked under there? And that's when it starts to get really rough because he keeps yelling out to the foreman.

1:09:09 I assume he's a foreman or a manager or something. He cans say like, are you gonna take care of him? Man? Are you gonna take care of this man? Can you get Pete? Please? Yeah? Yeah? Do you even movie? Will be right back, welcome back to do you even movie? Yeah? That's when he kicks Pete off the bed, and that's when, uh, excuse me here, so he goes shut the partition again. Kurt quickly opens it, shoving Matt on the bed. Pete pulls down Natalie's underwear, exposing her ass, and Matt gets up, laying into Pete as the others suddenly join in beating Matt.

1:09:52 As Natalie also gets caught in the hits, She gets knocked unconscious and gets tossed onto the bed. We see Natalie then assaulted by Pete as the others watch. Suddenly, Matt comes back, lunging at Pete, jumping on him, knocking him to the floor, as Natalie gets up and hurries out the door. While Matt is beaten savagely by the rest of them. Now Here here are some things to chew on about this sequence. Yeah, the way it unfolds I found to be extremely believable. You have one guy who is clearly super drunk and got a mean streak going who will not let it go. The other guys are kind of laughing it off, but when he starts to go too far.

1:10:32 At first, they're ready to be on the on the good side. But then when Barenthal's character comes in and and and starts hitting him, he hits one of the other guys too, So now they're all like, well, shit, we gotta beat you up because you're fucking swinging at us. So now they're beating him up too. Then are our bad actor yet again? Goes after the girl decides that because she's been clocked in the head somewhat unintentionally, that he's going to he's going to violate her love when Barenthal's character jumps back in and starts fighting again. But the saddest the part that really moved me, there were two moments in this sequence. Yeah, right at the beginning, I felt like they really wanted to hit home that Barenthal's character was not a bad guy, and he was not just with this girl because she was a young girl and he's bored. He seemed to really like her because when she knocks on his door and he opens it, he literally just goes, how do you have?

1:11:29 It? Was? He says, do you have any idea? How happy I am to see you? And then he goes, do you have any fucking clue how amazing it is to see her face right now? Yeah, And imagine for a second, this dude lives in a trailer with a bunch of smelly asshole guys, works in the snow all day long, probably six days a week. He wasn't expecting her. So he sees this woman that he's clearly infatuated with, and the way he talks to her, like he just lights up like a freaking teenager, Just judy idea, how happy I'm seeing And he's like, how did you get here? And get in here? Like it's a it's a sweet moment that really makes you know that it's about to sting. Yeah, And then after he jumps back and starts fighting, trying to keep her from potentially getting gang rape. Yeah. As he starts fighting them when they're all he's just holding on him and grabbing them as she's like trying to figure out what to do. They have him in a choke hole and he's telling her go run, run, get out of here, because he's he's gonna fight them off.

1:12:27 Can yeah, yeah, he'll give his life to help her escape. And she even looks back at him while while they're yeah yeah. And it's heartbreaking, And it's also I just thought it was really worth mentioning because early on her brother when she mentions the guy, all he has to say about is he's white and he's old, like he's too old for her, and that makes it sound like something. But then the way they depict it, they make it very innocent, like this girl is not some stupid, bubble headed eighteen year old who's just like, ah no, she met like a nice dude in a town where there aren't a lot of dudes that she doesn't know or that aren't you know, whatever, that she has history with. She's met this guy who seems pretty nice and he clearly is into her too, Like it's just a legitimate dating scenario.

1:13:11 They're hardying there, aren't you know. It's just kind of it's just amazing how before establishing the terror of the crime, they first establish how how I don't want to say mundane, but how you know, kind of normal and fine. The night started out, It all started out with a surprise visit to somebody you're in love with. Very cute, very fun scene until you hear those snowmobiles pull up. Yeah, and it then it turns so hard and I just that's something that always stuck with me. Yeah, the moment that I was like, whoa was from this moment on? Well, and if I didn't mention too, they fake you out at first because when a banner walks up to the trailer of the Knock, they cut to the flashback. Yea, yeah, it's her knocking on that.

1:13:54 Yeah, you see Barenthal washing his face and hearing the knock and then answering the door. But it's her instead. Yeah, that's a great it's a great move. And it just really it's really like the emotional core of this movie. So I just I wanted to celebrate the few things that I thought worked incredibly well. Their chemistry worked well, the way they played everything up and and and that's the other thing is like, as this guy's picking on him, you know, Brethal sitting there with a shirt off, he's you know, he's built like a brick shiit house. Yeah, and it's very clear. It's like, dude, he clearly doesn't want to whoop this guy's ask, but he totally can't. He totally can. And the guy, if you weren't so drunk, would know, would be like, oh, yeah, you'll freaking kill me. But how quickly it all gets out of hand then foreshadows how quickly everything is about to get out of hand again.

1:14:44 Yeah, So we cut back the current day as Banner is knocking on the trailer. She goes to open the door but finds it locked. Curtis calls to Pete, telling him Pete, the FBI is standing in front of the door, and that's when Ben tells her to get away from the door. As a shotgu blast brings out, kicking Banner to the ground. A firefight opens up between all of them. They're drawing their guns begin firing. Banner takes out one of the knees and puts one through one of the guy's head. Pete, with a machine gun in the trailer, starts opening fire outside. Ben and his men are gun down, leaving Curtis, Pete, and Evan. Curtis walks up the Banner ready to execute, when suddenly another shot rings out, killing him and blowing him back as we briefly see Corey and Camo in the trees. Yeah, which is clearly that hot shit gun blowing him away.

1:15:25 So Evan and Pete returned to the trailer. As Corey takes out Evan, leaving Pete to exit the trailer and he starts running for the hills no gloves or anything. Corey joins Banner, who is hiding under the trailer and takes her inside, attending to her wounds. Banner tells Corey to go get Pete as we see him frantically still running through the snowy hills. Pete begins to hear Corey slid and drops down, drawing his weapon. As the noise dies out, Pete, with no gloves or winter attire, begins to lose it. He's like, you know, where are you, like trying to find him, and that's when Corey stinks it behind him, hitting him with the butt of his rifle, knocking him out. Now before we continue, Yeah, what David just said was like forty five seconds. Yeah, this is a very tense three or four minutes. Yeah, that feels like ten. It is not just boom boom. There is so much like trying to reload your gun in time, people getting killed immediately.

1:16:16 I forgot bullet shots to the head. Sorry, I forgot that Ben died. Oh everybody, none of the cops live. The cops, yeah, like the all of the deputies when River die in one one excursion. So it's it's really really tense. Yeah, and here is where I feel like we crescendo on the kind of the moral of the story. Maybe. Yeah. So sometime later, Pete comes to and Corey tells and that they're at Ganet Peak, the highest point in Wyoming. Pete asked to talk to Pete asked to talk, and Corey tells him sure. Pete finds that Corey has removed his boots. He starts going frantic. He's like, you know, where are my boots? And He's like, hey, you said you wanted to talk. We'll talk, but if you want to whine then I'll just go.

1:16:57 Yeah, I'll just leave. So Corey asked him what did he do? And Pete he tries to tell him there's nothing here, no women, no fun, and Corey approaches him, asking him for honesty, adding that he got drunk, he got lonely, what else? And he even tells him. He's like, I'm not the law. Yeah, I'm just a guy out here with you. I want to know the truth. So Pete confesses he raped Natalie and they beat Matt's death. Corey tells Pete okay, draws a knife, cutting him loose, and tells him that he's free to go. Pete asks where's he gonna go, and Corey tells Pete he's gonna give him the same chance that Natalie had and if he can make it to the highway, he's free. Natalie made it six miles, she's a warrior, but Pete will be lucky to make it six hundred feet. Pete asked what does he wanted to do, and Corey tells him he wants him to run, taking his rifle and firing it right next to his ear.

1:17:39 Yeah, it makes my ears want to start ringing. So Corey watches as Pete makes it several hundred feet before collapsing, crawling as his lungs burst and Pete falls to the snow dies looking up at the sky. Yeah, it's uh and it's gruesome. He's just coughing up blood. He's having the same, the same horrible death, except without the courageous attempt to stay alone. Yeah, that the young woman had. So next we see Corey visiting Banner in the hospital, asking how she's feeling. She tells him she feels okay, and Corey presents her with a gift, a plush alligator to remind her of home. Yeah, and he says, a crocodiles. She's like, alligate. Well, but he says he's wrong. He says crocodileg he goes alligator. He's like, oh, well, he'll protect you better than that bullard vest.

1:18:20 So Banner thanks him, but Corey tells her that she's a tough woman. She saved her own life, adding out here you survive or you surrender, period. And she fought for her life and she gets to walk away with it and to go and gets to go home. Banner tells him she knows what he's doing, as Banner begins to cry, stating she ran six miles in the snow, and Corey states, yes, she did. Corey returns to Natalie's home, finding Annie asleep in Natalie's bed, he covers her up. He looks over Natalie's belongings, including pictures of Emily and Natalie that he finds. Yeah, and that is when outside he sees Martin sitting out back and he goes to join him. We see Martin sitting with a painted face of blue and white and Corey sits with them, asking him about the paint and Martin tells him it's his death face and he just made it up. There's nothing that he has.

1:19:00 Well, he says, how do you know that? And he's like, I just made it up. Yeah, no one to teach me. So Martin tells tells him he was afraid he quit, but then a phone. Then the phone rang this morning and Chip called him in over a year, he's at the station and he's gonna go pick him up. Martin comments he heard what happened and that one's still missing, but Corey is quick to tell him no, no one's missing. And Martin asked how did he go out and Corey tells him with a whimper. Corey tells him to go easy on Chip, and Martin says he will, that he will go get him, but he wants to just sit here for a little bit, asking Corey if he's got time to sit with him. Corey tells him he's going nowhere, and we close on a shot framed of Corey and Martin in the shape of a TP on the swing set. They're just right in the triangle of it as text comes up reading. While missing person statistics are completed or are compiled for every other demographic, none exists for Native American women, no one knows how many are missing. Yeah, And that is twenty seventeen's wind River.

1:19:54 And one of my favorite things about about this film is that that is the ending. Yeah, Because to me, kind of what the moral for lack of a better term of the story is is in a place like this, in a world like this, you have to find your own justice. I mean, I I really That's what I kind of got from it, because, you know, he could have just shot the dude easily, but he wanted to make a point. You know, he wanted to make a point, made a very good point. And so the fact that we don't end right after the gunfight, we don't end right after the bad guy dies, we don't end right after he gives the you know, the gift to the FBI woman and confirms she's going to live. But it's that he sits with his friend. Because that's the other thing to keep in mind is when you have nothing else, when you don't have you know, when nature's against you, when when the system around you can't do a shit for you, when everything else has failed you, all we have are our friendships. Yeah, all we have are those things that we hold dear absolutely. And it's an incredible ending, and again that's why it becomes a great film, whereas it would have been a good film if it hadn't topped anything before the big gunfight.

1:21:18 Do You Even movie? We'll be right back, welcome back to Do You Even Movie? Would you like to know some things about the film? No? Too bad? What do you think the budget was? I know it wasn't super high. I just have a feeling. Fourteen estimated eleven million, that's tight. It releases August sixth of twenty seventeen and takes an opening weekend one hundred and sixty one thousand dollars. That was a limited release, though correct.

1:21:59 Then it gross as the US and Canada thirty three million dollars, going worldwide gross of forty four million dollars. That's a pretty pretty substantial windfall for a smaller movie. Absolutely forty three days shoot, with principal photography beginning in Utah on March twelfth of twenty sixteen and concluding April twenty fifth of twenty sixteen, films de near Park City, Utah. The film would go on to have its world premiere in Park City at twenty seventeen Sundance Film Festival. Yeah right down the road. The film received a lengthy eight minute standing ovation at the end of its premiere in the Uncertain Regard competition of Cannes Film Festival. I'm always I look, I'm not trying to be a bastard, but this fucking shit with the thirty minute standing innovation twenty minutes number one. If that is to be believed, that all of these films at con get like these twenty minute standing ovations, then down to the movies are starting on time, they have to screen there later. But all I'm saying is you at home, You at home can try this. Okay, stand up right now wherever you are, especially if you're driving, and I want you to just take out your phone or your Apple Watch or whatever.

1:23:06 Set a timer for five minutes and applaud. It ain't fucking happened. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Maybe I just haven't witnessed that truth of cinema, But more likely the French are fucking liars. Would you like to take a guess what the body count was? Uh? Well, let's see iced Tea and Ernie c were the original guys in it, right, god and Mooseman Mooseman moosepan. No? Uh, I have no clue. Body count fifteen? Okay? Uh? Wind River Indian Reservation is the seventh largest Indian reservation in the US. Taylor Sheridan's first screenplay, which he didn't write on SPEC, Cacario in twenty fifteen and Hell or High Water in twenty sixteen, were written on SPEC.

1:23:47 Wow, I didn't know they were both spec. Yeah. For those who don't know, SPEC is short for speculative. When you write a screenplay that no one asked you for and then you go and sell it to get it made, that's a speculative screenplay a spec script, as opposed to if a producer comes to you he says like, I want to make a movie about what do you got you pitch? That's different that's not speculative because somebody's like, I like that idea. Write it when you have a finished screenplay, and that's what gets made. That's speculative and spec screenplays don't get made very often. Nope, And the money is very good on sex screenplays. Jeremy Renner was the director's first choice for the lead role, but he was busy with shooting Arrival in twenty sixteen. At the time, Taylor Sheridan approached Chris Pine, who later had to drop out because of his role in Wonder Woman in twenty seventeen. Coincidentally, Renner's schedule opened up and he was roped in for the role.

1:24:36 Yeah. I mean I could see Chris Pine. Oh, I could too. Yeah, But I think Renner's the better choice because Renner's sadder. Yeah. Inside, Jeremy Renner's character, Corey Lambert, is a skilled tracker and hunter. To prepare for the role, Renner underwent training with a professional hunter to learn the necessary skills and techniques. But did he train with Craven the Hunter? I don't think he did good. Elizabeth Olsen receives first billing despite how having less screen time to Jeremy Renner. The Grueling location. Interesting. I didn't think about that. Yeah, the Grueling location shoot was filmed in real blizzardy conditions, with crew and equipment being primarily ferried into locations on snowmobiles and snowcats. Since regular vehicles were totally unsuitable for the hazardous terrain, Cleaning up on sightly vehicular tracks left in the snowy landscape had to be done with some compositing in post keep the vista in virginal conditional.

1:25:23 That's something I meant to mention. The only thing that the four K transfer does not do any favors to just one or two scenes for one or two shots, really where because of all the I guess because it's so high definition. Yeah you can. You could see they're cgi ing some snow in some weather, but it's not that often, though, I will admit it was towards the beginning of the movie. That's why I noticed it so much. Elizabeth Olsen experienced snow blindness while shooting the film, a painful eye condition caused by exposure of insufficiently protected eyes to ultraviolet rays from either natural or artificial sources, ache in to sunburn of the cornea or conjunctiva. See I thought in show business, snow blindness was the term for when you do so much cocaine k you just green light a movie you shouldn't, also known as as Joel Silver's disease.

1:26:10 When discussing Places to Live, Matt tells Natalie A's story about the idellic little mountain town that he wound up in a loan one Christmas called oh Hi. He describes it as a town where everybody smiles at each other, you know, they say hello, and the people have these looks with their eyes that were on in some sort of secret, like they had all figured out the actor who plays Matt, John Berthall, actually lives in OHI in real life. Oh wow, Yeah, because that story is really beautiful. It really is. And that's another part where you start to see that they have a lot. I mean, he could have just been shining around, but it soundedly he's like, no, when I quit this job, Like, fuck it, you want to leave, I'll leave with you. Yeah, let's go somewhere. During the course the shoot, writer director Taylor Sheridan was visited on set by some Shoshone tribal leaders who astonished him with the revelation that at the very time, there were twelve unsolved murders of young women on the reservation of about six thousand people. Due to a nineteen seventy eight landmark government ruling, the Supreme Court stripped tribes of the right to arrest and prosecute non natives who commit crimes on Native land. If neither victim nor perpetrator are Native, county or state officer must make the arrest. If the perpetrator is non Native and the victim is enruled member, only federally certified agent has that right. If the opposite is true, a tribal officer can make the arrest, but the case must still go to federal court. This quagmire creates jurisdiction nightmares by choking up the legal process on reservations to such a degree many criminals go unpunished, in definitely for serious crimes.

1:27:31 I mean it's the wild West out there. Part of the I mean not meant to be a pun Yeah. In order to get attention for the movie, Taylor Sheridan could get enough money to finish it in post production the way he wanted. He entered it into the Sun Dance without telling his producers, who says they were not happy because they were trying to close a deal with TWC for the film. Nevertheless, that deal was eventually made. Oh why are you saying TWC? You don't want to say the Weinstein Company. After the news of Harvey Weinstein's history on sexual assaults and harassment fully broke in twenty seventeen, Taylor Sheridan called the One Tin Seen Companies then interim chairman David Glasner and gave them an ultimatum. The company would remove its logo and any production credits from the film for all post theatrical airings and agree to turn down any future compensation for its release, and in return, there would be no other dealings. Glasner immediately agreed to Sheridan's demands.

1:28:16 There's a or a Time Wader a TWC logo. At the beginning of the film, we watch though. Jane moves in arms distance from the wall before aiming around the corner. This is a close quarters combat tactic that presents less of your body to threats, widens your field of view, and ensures neither you nor gun extends beyond your cover. In military and swat lingo, it's known as slicing the pie. Hi John Bernhal lost four toenails filming the trailer scene. Like like, I mean, like, were they in his pocket? Ah? Yeah, that's that's unpleasant. The film concludes with a quote. While missing person statistics are compiled for every other demographic, none exists fro Native American women. In an NPR interview, Sheridan shared how this quote came about. He had two researchers spend three months trying to find a statistic. They came back and said, Taylor, we cannot find a statistic. No one's keeping it. And I said, well, that's our statistic. In the final shot of the film, Cowboy Curry and a Native American Martin sit together on the reservation, side by side, cross legged on the ground. They are framed inside the triangular beams of a swing set. It forms a TP shape over their heads. After the quote comes up at the end of the movie, you can see a pack of deer run across the middle of the screen from left to right.

1:29:23 And in November of twenty twenty two, Carrie Scogland signed to direct a sequel titled Win River. The Next Chapter from a screenplay by Patrick Massett and John Zenman and starring Martin Sendsmer. Princip Photography took place from March fifteenth to April twenty fourth of twenty twenty three in Calgary. The sequel was confirmed in August twenty twenty three. Neither Jeremy Renner or Elizabeth Olsen are confirmed a star. The plot synopsis redes the FBI enlist the aid of Chip Hansen, a newly minted tracker from the US Fish and Wildlife Service, to solve a series of ritualistic murders on the reservation he calls home, had no idea. Are you sure that's real? It has a Wikipedia page and IMDb page. So no, it hasn't been released, but it's apparently completed.

1:30:04 That. I that just sounds crazy. I know they should have just done it, you know, had Universal like seventeen whatever, you know, do the made for TV sequel with Judge reinholding the Native American chief? Oh god, do you even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to do you even movie? So what are your final thoughts on wind River? Well? Hell, I mean I feel like I've probably said most of what I could say about it. Yeah, I think that its heart is perfect, like the heart of the story is perfect. I think the performances are perfect. There's no weak link to this film. It's subdued yet thrilling at the same time, which is honestly something I think Taylor Sheridan's been really good at is making something that's slow and calm and shocking. I think that it's a great story about friendship, about community, about about you know, the government, about how a lot of times in life you are on your own. And I don't know. I think that it was a perfect film when it came out,

1:31:35 and it's still pretty friggin' perfect, So I mean it's a by it to me. I think it's a new classic if you consider yourself a film fan, which I can't imagine you listen to a friggin podcast with two idiots only talking about movies they like. If you weren't a film fan, it should really be in your collection and don't be a dave. Get the Steel book. I'll get it eventually. Oh yeah, probably it's a buy it for me as well. I think the performances are top tier. I think that the way that everything builds, because it's like with with a story like this, you could have done like a John Wick in the Snow almost. To set the They did that with Mad's Michelson already Polar. Yes, I know I didn't hate Polar, but there was a point where I was like, okay, so every middle aged movie start, we're gonna try and make John Wick as well.

1:32:16 No, it's it's a great new American neo Western. I would almost say as well, is is fantastic movie. You will not be disappointed with it, I will say, I will, I will. I will say it's a buy it for me, but it might be a rented depending on how unpleasant the movie has cowered people. I'm just saying there's people out there that you. Know, Look, okay, I'm gonna blow your minds everybody. Jesus, no, no, no, here we go. This is important, is it? Yes? As co host of Do You Even? Movies? Style Coach and lifestyle Coach for all who can hear my voice, here's the thing about movies. M if you're not sitting down, please sit down, unless you're driving. Stand up again. They're not real. Yeah, it's it's pretend unless it's cannibal Holocaust. But in that case, just grow up. It's a great story and it wouldn't work without the things that upset people. Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, I get that some people have incredible sensitivities, but frankly, it's a movie.

1:33:23 Well, I mean, I'm you know me, I'm I'm a big fan of limit testing cinema, Like I will watch stuff that is out there. And yet what you don't want to do happiness on the show, No, I do not. That movie did not age well in this curiod. It didn't age well. You're like, look, look, look, look when I first saw it, different feelings about pedophiles. But now again it And. On that note, we also get in the show with a couple of recommendations. My two this week. Starting with the first one from two thousand and three, I have Mystic River, the tragic murder of a nineteen year old girl, reunites three childhood friends still living in Boston. The victims gangster father, a detective, and the disturbed man they both suspect of killing her. Fantastic movie I cannot recommend enough. And the other one I'm gonna go with a classic nineteen ninety six is Fargo, currently available on Peacock, MGM plus Pluto and TUV Minnesota car salesman Jerry Leunderguard's and EP crimes fall apart due to his and his henchman's bungling and the persistent police work of the quite pregnant Marge Gunderson.

1:34:20 That's a pretty good description Fargo's great series. Excellent, better, Yeah, even better. I think I know I love FORG as far as a great movie, and that's series's fucking top TIERO. What's your recommendation? You know I I thought about it for a minute, hum and I really did. I was trying to decide, like, what would I like to pair with this and I with this movie's themes of friendship and and a loose sense of community, I wanted to go a different way, but a similar way, because it's still a story about perseverance. It's a story about courage. So I went with twenty eleven's The Great with Liam Neeson, which I think is a beautifully dour film by Joe Carnahan. I think Joe Carnahan doesn't get nearly enough props. I do think he needs to get another The Gray to make, because he's been doing these really awesome, almost cartoony action movies really fun.

1:35:20 But I want to see him. I want to see him go back to dark a little bit. So for those who've never seen The Gray from twenty eleven, after their plane crashes in Alaska, six oil workers are led by a skilled huntsman to survival, but a pack of merciless wolves haunts there for every step. And that's a good description. Yeah. It's available to stream with your Prime membership right now. It might be through some channel like shout Factory. I don't know. I'm not gonna check. You're an adult, you can find the Gray. But the Gray is one giant allegory for life and death. And I think that it would be a great pairing because I feel like wind River is very meat and potato as a matter of fact, with some with some subtle stuff going on, and I feel like The Gray is just I barely even see The Gray as anything other than allegory. Yeah, I think The Gray is almost entirely allegory. Like I almost don't take anything seriously in it because I feel like it's all symbolism.

1:36:21 Well, and if you saw the trailers of Liam Neeson fighting wolves and whatnot, that's not the movie. Entirely, not really. No, they made it seem like it was taken versus Wolves, which honestly got my ass in the theater, so I'm not even gonna complain. But it's so much more than that. It's bleak, it's a I mean, it's it is really a good movie, but god damn it's. It explores elements like sometimes the only way to survive what's outside is to look inward. Things like that that I think are really valuable. Yeah, and I love it. Plus, I'm a big fan of any movie that's people versus not people. And also on that note, if you are going to watch The Grave for the first time, make sure you watch of the end credits. Yeah, yeah, watch the end credit scene so you can be wrong like everybody else about what it means, because I'm right.

1:37:07 And I'm also gonna give a shout out to Carnahan's first movie, Blood Bullet and Octane, really really underrated flick. Yeah, if you can get your hands on exactly worth your time that movie. Look. When I first saw it's blood Bullets and High Octane. Yeah, yeah, Bullets, Hi Octane. When I first saw Blood Bullets in High Octane, I was very grateful because it prepared me for what it would be like for a life on Adderall my god, you will never predict where that movie. The hioctane is the part that really is accurate. Yeah, that movie just goes and goes and goes and it does not stop. Stop that movie. Yeah, that movie is nuts from beginning to end. Super fun.

1:37:50 Do we have any emails this week? I think we had one, but I'm gonna just delete it now. We had one last I checked, Okay, yeah we have. This one is from your friend Britney. Oh, Britney C. I don't know how some people don't want their last names given out, so I know. Great. Hello. Hope you guys had a great Christmas or not. Dave said, I'm not allowed talk about Christmas anymore ever again that I re listened to the Mercy Christmas episode after revisiting it this holiday season. It was my second time watching after being introduced to it last year by your podcast.

1:38:30 I wanted to write in because you guys spoke about Eddie most likely being dead. However, this year I watched the credits, which I don't think I did last year, and there was an end credits scene where he moved his hand like he did previously in the movie. The first time like that, it seemed he was dead. So I wanted to know if you guys watched that scene and if you think he actually died. I don't think we watched. I don't know if I I don't know if I recall that at all. Yeah, that's a new one on me. Yeah. Well, I mean, but that's it sounds like they're they're definitely hinting that there's hope, So I say, I say, say, yeah, he survived at the very least, is a little treat to yourself, just like believing that the Luckness Monster is Bigfoot's pet. It's just for me that I believe that. No, but that's a great point. Thank you for bringing that up.

1:39:17 Mercy Christmas. Great film. I wish more people knew about we do. When we get comments about that episode on like YouTube and stuff, it's usually people saying like, I'm so glad somebody else watched this movie because it's great. I also have to mention that while I like the whole movie, I loved the ending, and to me, it is what helps make the movie. I have a still in my phone of Eddie saying Merry Christmas, bitch, and it's actually what I sent David last year to tell him I was watching the movie. No, Mercy Christmas is truly a great piece of film. I haven't been surprised, actually, chocolate strawberry or vanilla chocolate. Sorry vanilla, Yeah, that's the I haven't been surprised that much by a low budget, kind of unknown movie to me since Mercy Christmas. I'm currently listening to the Crampis episode and had no idea there was a Silent Night, Deadly Night novelization. Thank you for talking about it, definitely because I definitely want to check it out. Yes you do. It is Friday, December twenty seventh, my first day back to work after Christmas, and I can't focus, so apologies if some of my email is a word salad and I was going to mention more, but apparently my energy drink hasn't kicked in yet. Ah, you did find that all made sense to me. You know you should text her before this airs and be like, hey, really liked your email. We had to cut out some of the weird stuff you said about anti semitism. No, thank you, Brittany, And this says, PS, are you guys planning to do any live stream soon? Would? I would think we're probably gonna figure that out. And that's really a Dave question because he's the one with the busy social life and the two parents and all the reasons he can't just stream love.

1:40:47 I was actually think about that a couple days ago. Yeah, well, we'll be figured out a live stream here and the well. Now, apparently if we put Tetris in front of you, blow all of our mind. Dude, I've played it for four and a half hours the other night, you. Have, but not on stream. Not to help raise money to pay off my vet bills. God, just saying you would love. Brittany. By the way, she's the one who let me know about basically two thousand and six is Black Christmas being a good movie? When I was in high school? Huh, yeah, Met, I thought i'd met Brittany. I think you have. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Maybe I can't. I mean, I like i've because I know her name. Like I said, I just know some people don't want their last names. Yeah, yeah, I got it, so I didn't. But no, I know, yeah, I've met Britney said, I thought, yeah, years and years ago, but I met her in person. So would you like to know what we're talking about next week on the show. There's going to be a next Week's.

1:41:28 Going to be a next week and it's your pick this time. I don't buy that. What is it? A simple plan from nineteen ninety six starring Bill Paxton, Billy, Bob Thornton and Bridget Fonda. The movie that every time we watch a great movie with snow. Because I knew we were recovering it, I couldn't recommend it because that was my recommend That would have been my recommendation after Ice Harvest. That makes sense. That's a great film, It's a great Where can we watch it? Currently available on Pluto? Nice? And I do know for a fact The Arrow just put out a four K of it too. Did you know that? Yeah? Why don't you make that face? I don't know what face I made? And that's the one by Ramie right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sam Raimie Evil Dead, The Evil Dead, Dark Band Spider Man director.

1:42:08 Yeah. Yeah. So we'll be checking that out next week. So we're gonna get out of here, my friends, But thank you so much for watching Do You Even movie? If you want to email us, like Britney did here today, you can send us an email at do You even movie pod at gmail dot com or go to dooevenmovie dot com for all the information you can possibly need. If you're watching us on YouTube, please leave a comment about this film or about any films you wish we would watch. Leave a like. Make sure you're subscribed. If for listening on the podcast, make sure you're subscribed to your favorite app, and please consider giving us a rating of four stars five stars. Honestly, that's it. Otherwise just go away and because it really does help the show and really do appreciate it. So now I will say gladly, see you next Tuesday. I said it too fast, so Dave couldn't. Why don't you just chew on your nail some more puncast It.

1:42:54 Was a hangnail the first time. It okay,