Tuff Turf (1985) A Cult Classic Breakdown!

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2:14 Now well, and you had a four K title or a TV that died not too long ago. Right as I was getting ready to watch Silent Night, Bloody Night at a time or Silent Night Deadly Knight at a time, I needed to and it was sadness a medicinal. Yes, that's fair, healthy too, extremely healthy and just a little catholic, just a little bit, just catholic enough as. A treat, not as Catholic as Terrifier three, though, But that's a whole nother conversation. Well, I mean, they're two of my favorite Christmas you know. But then again, is it any shock that the best Christmas horror movies are going to be a bit Catholic? The best Christmases are Catholic. I mean, if you want to go by just sheer, opulence and ritual and singing, and they really have it. They have it locked down.

3:03 Speaking of Terrifier three, there's a novelization coming out of that now soon as well. Part three. Part three is getting a novelization by Tim Wagner, the same guy that did Halloween Kills and Ends novelization or yeah, I think yeah, I think he did the two or he did the first one, I can't remember which. And then he also did the Terrified two novelization, oh, which is on my list for this year because I actually did pick it up recently. Nice. That sounds good. I'm genuinely curious how much more detail is going to be inside of that book. It is four hundred pages, mind you. Four hundred pages. Terrifire two novelization is like that thick. I mean, I get it, you know, I get it, I think. I mean, I I'm a sucker for novelizations. I mean we've been We've been over this on the show before, because like I've been reading Armando Minas's novelizations for Stop the Killer, which included Black Christmas recently I finished on a deadly night during Christmas, and then the first one I read was My Bloody Valentine. And now I believe the next one he has coming out because he's already at least basket Case and Happy Birthday to me, and I think there's another one coming out, and now I cannot remember for the Oh, I'm Madmen. I think he's doing mad Men.

4:08 Nice. Yeah, No, I mean I love the idea of this, this brave new world of novelizations. Yeah. I just wish they would do it the way it used to be and hand them the first draft of the screenplay and be like, don't you base it on the movie? You base it on this script that never got filmed because we didn't have the money. That's my rebocop two novelizations based off of Frank Miller's original screenplay. So I haven't had a chance to read it yet, except I will say one of my biggest pet Pee's about the RoboCop novelization so far? Is the line your move creep not in the book? What? Yeah, that was an improvise. That must have been just a piece of glorious improvisation. Yeah, well I'm proud. So there he goes.

4:51 And also he does not shoot the guy and the dick in the book. He shoots him right through the head. All right, well that's sacrilegious. Upset, how are you gonna have a rebo coop novelization and not have a guy get you shot in the dick? We truly are in the darkest timeline. In the darkest timelines. Indeed, so speaking of a dark timeline, we just got back from seeing The Monk. We did and you hated it. I did not. I did not. That that's an understating. I like to set you up and then not get down. I mean, I was already amps for the movie because I'm a I'm a slut when it comes to Stephen King adaptations, Yeah, you're it comes to Stevie King adaptations, I'm a slut. The good, the bad, the ugly, I will watch them all. I still have not seen the New Salem's Lot, but I've had a lot of people tell me it's a good and tell me it's bad.

5:37 So I'm curious to get to that one. But his short stories make some of the most interesting films by far in my opinion, because Maximum Overdrive is based off Trucks is a short story, Joe of the Corn short story, right, You've got the Raft, which is the creep Show two story. I mean there's there. I could go on and on, but like his major films like Don't Get Wrong, I love it, I love The Stand for what It's Worth. I love Langliers. But oh well that's fine. Yeah. I mean there's a lot of Stephen King adaptations that are not very good, and they're so good they're so fun to. One one of the ones that is kind of getting it to do because it was one that I got late to in the game app pupil with oh man, what is that guy's name?

6:18 Steve? Not Steve. Shut up. I was just trying to gin up bug me. Now hang on, it is everybody else? Sorry, it is a brad Renfro and Ian McKellen, where Renfro discovers that Ian McKellen used to be in the SS and he's his neighbor. And he basically blackmails him into like telling him all about it. Oh wow, dude, it's fucked up. Yeah, I mean, is there is there a child gang bang? Or is it not as good as it? There is not? There's not that the okay fair? But David Swimmer also appears in an app pupil Oh, yeah, I do like me some David Swimmer. Yeah from what year was that? It's a nineteen ninety. Eight okay, Yeah, so that was kind of a like a blackout period. There were there were a lot of king things, but they're not really in the nostalgia space.

7:01 Well, and the reason kind of fill off the radar for a little bit directed by Brian Singer. Well, you gotta hate on Singer? Did you stop? We would have no trick or Treat Trick or Treat if it weren't for Singer for real? He was the producer. Oh he was. Yeah. A lot of people have theorized that that's why the movie sat on the shelf for like four years for failings with a Man of Steel? Was it that? And also the allegations that came out. I don't remember that. Yeah, he had allegations come out around the second of his X men movies. I want to say, oh, really, yeah, I don't recall that at all. But no, Stephen King, short stories make really fun films, and The Monkey is no exception.

7:44 I think that's the biggest thing is King short story adaptations make incredible movies. Yeah, novels, your mileage will vary a lot, a lot. I mean even The myst is a short story technically yeah, really good. Yeah, And I think the myst is I mean, everybody knows the miss by this point, but like that movie has aged beautifully. Yeah, unlike The Children and that the Guy had so but no, so the Monkey, Yes, I really enjoyed it. I'm curious what people who were really into Long Legs Yeah, are going to think because it was nothing like Long Legs. And I mean that in a positive way. It was a very different film all its own. It was not this trudging, artsy scare fest. It was not that at all.

8:32 But I also think too that there was a real difference in advertising for both films because they are different. So I think the fact that the Long Legs trailer, like, thinking back on it, really kind of set up that movie for what it was going to be like in my opinion, Sure, sure, whereas the monkey has not been shy at all about how bat shit this movie's gonna be. No. But but trailers can only get across so much to anybody anyway. So yeah, that's that's really my only My only point is it it was a bit wacky. It was very wacky, and I was mentioning in the theater, like I would call it a horror comedy, but it's it's mindset is not really horror comedy. Its mindset is more like a full blown dark comedy. Yeah, because every moment of violence, every bloody death, everything is is so ridiculous you can't take it seriously at all, Which is good though, because then you don't end up in that space I often end up with with most horror comedies where I'm like, that wasn't funny that guy like died? Yeah, like I feel bad that that guy.

9:30 It's like you made the point a while back that the problem with horror comedy is, I think that we both agree on is that sometimes when you lean too much into the comedy, it takes away the characterization of your of the people, Like so when their deaths happened and they're supposed to be Oh, that's good zany. It's just like, well that shit like that. I liked that character and like that wasn't cool. Yeah that was a bummer. Yeah, yeah, no, I agree, But with this, because everything is so over the top, you really can have people's deaths be comedic moments, because I mean, a woman get shot with a shotgun and is basically obliterating literat like there's there's barely anything left of her but little tiny pieces and it's just a regular shotgun or let alone.

10:11 You know. I don't want to spoil the pool, but like those were the moments where I was like, Okay, this is its own rules and I'm okay with that. So I had a great time with it, and I actually thought the ending really stuck, the landing of being heartfelt and sincere. Yeah. No, I The one thing that I will say about the Monkey is it is a barrel of morbid. Laughs, funnier than a barrel full of dead people. I mean, yeah, okay, I mean that's the saying. I'm pretty sure for. Those who aren't aware, though, real quick synopsis. When two brothers Bill and How find their father's old monkey and the toy Toy in the Attic, a series of gruesome deaths starts. Don't call it a toy.

10:52 The siblings decide to throw the toy away and move on with their lives growing apart over the years. That's I mean, that's he's basic. Yeah, I mean it's there's a there's a lot that gets it to there. Though. Yeah. With a shout out though to THEO James, the main perform the main actor in the film, Uh stole the stole the movie. I mean not stole the movie, but like he you commented on his voice being really good for one, but like. Like obscenely good, like every like it took about because it opens with him narrating everything, and it took me a while to get over how like incredible his narrator voice was. Yeah, because it was so deep. It was almost like I couldn't believe it. Yeah, and I but I loved it. But it was like, yeah, I was almost having trouble believing that that was his voice coming out of his head.

11:41 But no, he is phenomenal in it and plays his brother as well as him in it, and it's just he you the two performances are are fantastic. Yeah, No, I really really enjoyed it. I I I have no complaints. No, uh, snarky thoughts. I I just thought it was a a lot of fun. I think. I hope it does as well as as Long Legs. I hope it's a huge success because Osgood Perkins already has another film slated for October. Which you need to stay in the theater to see a preview of at a. Little steak preview of it was called Kept Keeper, Keeper Keeper. That's right, and it looks looks great. It's got Tantiana Monslani again, who was a supporting role in The Monkey, but she appears to be the main lead in this one.

12:26 I've always been a big fan of hers since since Ginger Snapped two Unleashed, which was I thought great. Yeah, so I've been a big fan for quite a while. No, it's absolutely It's gonna be a good time. And The Monkey is currently playing in your theater, so make sure you go check it out. Why you can. How do you know that it's playing in their theaters? Oh? I know? Oh? Oh wow? Okay, Speaking speaking of knowing, I also know that we watched another great movie over the weekend, which was twenty twenty five's The Gorge. Yes, we did watch the Gorge, which. Is Scott Derekson who brought us Sinister and another big one of his that I'm blanking on right Black Black Phone. Yeah, Yeah, which I freaking love The Black Phone. Starring Miles Teller and Annie Taylor Joy and Sigourney Weaver.

13:08 This movie is just a blast for sci fi fans for one. Yeah, I mean it's it's I would call it light sci fi. I mean, it is definitely science fiction, but it's kind of a light sci fi. It's it's very much like a very accessible thriller. Yeah. It has all the elements of big action moments and and wild weapons and and and the crazy highly trained, highly skilled weapon experts. Two great leads too. Yeah. I mean their chemistry in the movie was fantastic. It was, And I was worried it would feel forced, only because the concept of their romance. I was worried would feel forced on its own, because it's like, there are these two people on towers on the opposite side of this gorge, and then they start falling in love.

13:52 But they did it in a really, really solid way. They had them basically not a big spoiler. They're both you know, military or post military. They're both kind of on shooters for hire. Yeah, could be on the way out, who knows well. And that's what they end up bonding over, Yeah, is the fact that they're both at the same point in their careers, which we find out is when they start considering you to guard the gorge. So yeah, basically they're guarding this giant hole in the ground. Never told what's in there. Given all the heavy artillery they could ask for. Told some really creepy stuff, just side notes about like oh those are the hollow. Flow the bunch Kevin Bacons. The best was that he gets there, he's not briefed at all. The guy he's relieving tells him everything. Yeah, so it's not even like who knows what the original instructions were. That's what I like is it's it's weirdly isolated, and he's basically told like, this side is the Western world side and that side is the Eastern world side, and we each put a new guard every year every year to keep an eye on this and make sure anything down there doesn't get out.

14:56 But you cannot communicate with the tower across from you, right, never. Never, ever, and I'm sure no one ever had before. But it's super fun ye really exciting. They did a good job I felt like of revealing all the crazy, obscenely intricate the visual story. The visuals in it, from the creatures to the action to the overall finale is something that I just I was happy to It was one of those things I was happy to see it, but I was also like, damn it, this would have played so much better in theaters. But I'm still happy that we got it. The biggest spoiler I can give that I'm willing to give without hurting anybody's feelings. This is on Apple TV. Yeah, for people who don't know or forgot it. We said it on him. But is they do inevitably go into the gorge. I think that's obvious, but I'm bias, so it's a little spoiler. Yeah, but when they get down there, I am not kidding. There is no way that that director did not say, Look, I wanted to look like the end of Lucio Ful Cheese. The Beyond, Yeah, because it literally looks like the landscape they look on at at the end of The Beyond, like to the point where I mean, the first thought I had the moment I saw was oh, the Beyond.

16:12 You're not wrong. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's my two cents, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. But yeah, it's The Gorge is probably one of the I mean it's early in the year, but it's probably one of the best sci fi I've seen so far. I mean, there's a lot more sci fi than you might realize because the big tent pole streaming movies tend to be science fiction because they do better overseas with with Asia China especially and stuff like that. So you see a lot of Netflix ones and you see a lot of Apple ones. That Vast of the Night. Is that the one that you saw the Drive in? Oh that was an Amazon Yeah, okay, that was that was science fiction but that was very stilted and simple. Yeah, no, it was. You saw it. I watched it. Oh my gosh. You know the part where it fades to black. You said, how was that the drive? And everybody was honking their horns. We thought that the picture had died. Yeah, it's very funny.

16:59 But yeah, The Gorge is currently available on Apple TV or is an Apple Plus now I think it's still Apple Apple TV, But yeah, definitely recommend on that one. So The Monkey, The Gorge, those are the two that we've seen recently. Yeah, theighly recommended. Yeah, oh gosh, yeah, and I could not agree more super duper fun. Yeah and uh yeah. I also saw Heart Eyes and Companion on Valentine's Dad and Great on a second watch, like really great on a second watch. I also took my mother for a birthday to see Flight Rests a second watch. Did I tell you the thing I noticed that I've never noticed before. No, So it's gonna sound ridiculous, but the second time I'm watching it, you know, I'm a little less focused on where they want you to look, you know, because I know what's gonna happen. I know who's gonna jump out or whatever.

17:49 Wohlburg's character has like a serious heart on what like in his pants? Yeah, like you know how he's like a psychopath. He's like a serious heart. Are you shitting me? Yeah, just fucking with you. It's fun. I will throw out one more recommendation because unfortunately I was sick the last couple of days, so I was in my bed watching a lot of movies and one that I came across that I've had on Blu Ray for a bit that has been on my shelf is Prince of the City, which is Sidney Lumet's corrept cop movie starring Treat Williams, one hour, one hundred and sixty eight minutes long, so it's a it's a while, it's an epic. It's like two hours and forty minutes, I want to say, and Treat Williams is playing a cop that basically gets brought in by this commission to go forward and record all these corupt cops and bust them, essentially because they realized that shit's going on in the precinct and whatnot. It's the same director as Serproco. I haven't seen Surpico, and I don't know how long it's probably been at least like fifteen years or so, but Prince of the City, I would say is almost better than Cerproco and having us having lost Treat Williams was last year.

18:57 Yeah, I was last year. Last year. It was really great to see this formance of his because this is one that he has talked about a decent amount with a lot of people that are fans of him. But I'd never seen the movie. Warner Archive put the disc out like about four or five years ago. Cheap Blu Ray from what I understand too, because I think I got it for like eleven bucks. Nice, but I mean you're talking names like Treat Williams, Jerry Orbach. You've got Lance Hendrickson at one point. You've got Lane North from my cousin Venni. Yeah, playing a guy named Tug who is like this protector of him. He's like the US Marshall protector. Yeah, he's like his muscle. But it's based on a true story. It says New York City and narcotics detective reluctantly agrees to cooperate with a special commission investigating police corruption and soon realizes he's in over his head and nobody can be trusted.

19:39 Wow. It is a phenomenal film, currently available to get on Prime for four bucks if you want to rent it. But the Blu Ray comes with a twenty twenty five minute making of and also goes into the true story. Can't recommend it enough. So, and before we move on to the topic, I want to mention real quick that we are going to be doing a live stream. Yes, finally going to be returning to the live stream. We'll see how fun it is for me to set that up again. After we haven't done it in like eight months or something. But we're gonna be streaming live. You can find all the information if you go to Weeklyspooky dot com slash Live. It'll take you straight to the YouTube page where it will be streaming, where you can set a reminder and all that stuff. And that's where it'll be streaming is at Weeklyspooky dot com slash live and that's on Saturday, March first. We'll start around noon and probably go for twelve hours, yeah, maybe more, who knows.

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22:00 And I usually get a little blitzed, a little blitzed. And sometimes kind of testy, which is which is extra funny because I you know me, I'm a good friend, so it's not like I needle you further. You know you're brochet. No no, So anyway, with that all being said, yeah, but a second view of companion Hard Eyes, they were just as good. I really enjoyed them. And also I would like to comment that Hard Eyes is on its way to what twenty three million now. Yeah, it has had a little bit of a well not a little bit a shocking incline in viewership since obviously Valentine's Day being on a Friday, it had a giant jump on Friday, then a little bit on Saturday, and a little bit on Sunday. So it's thank goodness it now in my and this is just my opinion, it can't really be considered a flop anymore, which is great.

22:49 It's awesome. It may not be a hit, but it is not a box office disaster. It's it had an eighteen million dollar budget, but we never know how much they spent on marketing, so it's hard to know if it's like really killing it ha ha. But it's now at twenty three million against eighteen million, so it's at least not a massive flop and that makes me so happy because that movie is so good, Yes, so worth your time and so worth seeing in the theater. Absolutely so. I guess that's all I have to say about the BS. I don't have any hilarious anecdotes other than I'm currently living with a cat in heat. Yes you do, and yes I do. Yes you do? You do have a cat and heat that you're currently living with.

23:30 Yeah, I had no idea how awful it would be. You didn't. But luckily I'm a good friend, and I brought over today nineteen eighty five's Tough Turf. Yeh, great friend. No, I did not dislike Tough Turf. I mean, for all joking, I did not dislike that movie. Ye is such a it's a stack of cheese. It's so much in one movie that you don't think would go into a single film and be cohesive. Who said it was cohesive? I mean it has a middle, it has a beginning, it has an end kind of in theory. Yeah, in theory.

24:11 No, I I mean I really liked it, but like, I can see why people love it, but it's also like a really weird one. I think it's the definition of a cult classic. Yeah, I would say so. It's it's really far out. It is. It's bizarre in so many ways. And we'll get into that a little bit more. But the biggest thing I have to say about it right off the bat is this movie is so deeply out of touch with its own time period. Mm hmm. Like I remember, I kept turning going, this is supposed to be like a bad like these are supposed to be tough kids. The supposed to be kids that live in a bad area. Yeah like what yeah what? Apparently that's why they spelled it with two f's. You know you would you no, no, no, not tough like difficult, tough like a not word t you f f yeoso tough. We have an eleven person R and D there without a single black guy.

25:11 Leave Jack Mack in the heart attack a loon. Oh they are not getting spared in my opinions of this feature film. Speaking of this film, do you remember my chancer how the email of who suggested this time was? I believe it was Maurice Marie, but I can check. If you give me one second while you're running down the pertinent. Deet So Tough Turf nineteen eighty five, One hour and fifty two minutes Radar for strong violence, language, some sexual content, and brief nudity. The IMDb synopsis reads as the new kid in school must battle a gang of street toughs after stealing the gang leader's girl. That's accurate. My synopsis says, new to Los Angeles Morgan Hiller must face off against a gang of bullies when he sets his sights on the leader's girlfriend, Frankie.

25:52 Yeah, they're both. I would say they're both. They're pretty, they're both pretty good. That was pretty much a wash. They we're both good. Yeah, Moving into the taglines tough Turf, where reputations are earned, where all where enemies are made, reputations are earned, and love is the most risky affair of all. And then long meet Morgan Hiller. He's a rebel about to become a hero. Real quick. Yes, if Maurice recommended Tough Turf, it wasn't via email at do you even MoviePod at gmail dot com, where we take requests, But we did get a request from this in October from Tim tim Smith who wrote in and gave us a list of films that he really would love us to talk about five on it.

26:39 So thank you, Tim. Yes, you're enjoying this episode. Sorry that I well, Dave first, yeah, misattributed my apologies. Tough Turf is currently available on Plex, Pluto Prime and to be nice. Yeah, so it is readily available right now. And I will also mention that it does have a beautiful Blu ray that Keto Larber has put out, and it does include a commentary that I listened to and it's entirety with the director. A lot of interesting stuff on there, which I'll bring up when we get to the TRUP. Yeah, and Blu ray look phenomenal. Yeah. I like to tease Dave because you see, when I bought my first projector and we started screening movies on a giant screen in my living room, I would tease you if it wasn't a Blu ray because that was a full HD, because I spent a lot of money getting this was, you know, eight years ago, getting a full HD. Because a lot of these projectors will say like ten ADP, but it just means that they accept a ten ADP signal that they don't project into any So I would always be like, oh, well, if only we could really watch it. But he does DVD. Now I have a four K system. So I'm taught to you all the time about like why didn't you bring the four K? Yeah, well there isn't one, And I'm like, well, you could have made one. You could have you could have gotten a hold of the rights holders, gotten a license, had the film remastered in HDR, even gathered the filmmakers together to talk about it, absolutely packaged it and made one copy for you and I on a Tuesday night.

27:57 If only, if only Dave's video was in production. I still think you should have. You should start yourself a label, especially now that physical media is doing great, doing great. Yeah, apparently there was almost a thirty percent decrease in physical media sales between twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. Yeah, so physical media is now officially not quite a billion dollar industry anymore. It's a nine hundred and some million dollar industry. Do you think there's anything at all that could change that or are we kind of just on the slant at this point. I don't know, man, Like I know that people are talking because the crazy thing is, last year, everybody thought that it was there was gonna be a big boost. Yeah, because remember last year, a lot of boutique labels amped up their their production. Oh yeah, but I'm not trying to say anything like it is what it is. I love buying my movies, absolutely, I love buying my boutique label four K's and Blu rays that look amazing and why would nobody else would ever touch them? But these fine folks. But more releases in a year generally means that business is slower. Yeah, so they're trying to speed business up generally, not always, yeah, but often. So that's something to keep in mind. But last year, remember there were all that there was all that talk about streamers taking things down and things being removed, even though there were almost no examples of people losing movie movies anywhere copies because they heard that you could or Amazon or something.

29:17 I've heard that so many times, and every time I've gone to look at it, it's usually something in regards to a rights holder. It's not anything to do with like the property of it. Yeah. But so my point is just that that's kind of the struggle there. But because of that, people were saying, like, I think we're going to see a resurgence in physical media because everybody's talking about how streaming is not getting it done. And then we had the biggest year over year drop in sales, almost thirty percent. So to give context, two thousand and five was the biggest year in physical media ever. Yeah, and the sales totaled sixteen billion dollars with a B. And now in twenty twenty four, I mean it's twenty twenty five now, but looking back at twenty twenty four, it was less than one. Yeah, so that's a big decrease.

30:02 Yeah, it's a big one. Now. It doesn't mean that it's going to go away forever, or that it's or that it's tumbling away entirely, but it does lean lend credence to the idea like these copy these blu rays and especially four k's are going to be expensive. Yeah, They're going to be mostly through smaller labels, and it is what it is. I'm curious how long before places like Universal and MGM and stuff just fully don't do any of their own at all and just hand everything over to like like a like a Keyno or a shout factory or what happened. I feel like a big sign of the times is going to be when Walmart completely does away with it, because it seems like they've condensed a little bit more each year, or maybe maybe every couple of years. It might not be every year.

30:44 Well, it also entirely depends on the market. You're in. More rural areas are going to have way bigger movie sections. Yeah, because they don't have as as strong access to high speed internet. Yeah, that makes sense. But and and last year we lost best buy physical media at best by yep, So. Fye has turned more into trend than anything. You can barely find CDs and DVDs, blu rays four k's there. Now. I had a friend complaining about that the other day, Oh did you saying like, I can't believe that all they're selling now is this like these like uh, you know, movie choch keys and candy and all this stuff, Like they're not even really selling movies. They don't even seem to care. And I was like, you know what the difference is between FYE and all those movie stories that sold movies. Fy is still here. Yeah, it's not Fye's fault that they have to go after the dollar of the people who will shop there. Yeah. And this is it's funny because I'll talk about this that people feel like will sometimes come at me like I'm defending the concept.

31:39 I'm not. No, I get the it's it's reality. Yeah, well, I mean I worked in those stories, and I can tell you that we probably sold more trend items than I mean, given this is we're talking like back in like twenty eleven, twenty twelve, and I worked at one of the biggest fyees in Ohio, which was Kenwood at the time, which is I think now closed. It was not on common for us to like sell out of T shirts quicker than we would have new released. And sure, yeah, well you have to think about that. You have to think about the fact that movies are becoming more digital by the minute. They just are. The access to movies is unbelievable. How how quickly you can get access to a film you know, in your home and watch it. So it's kind of like movie conventions.

32:24 If you're if you're a filmmaker at a movie convention, it's harder to sell your physical units than ever before because physical media is becoming all for the collectors. It's not it's not mass it's becoming less mass market every day, and because of that, you're going to have less films priced for casual movie watchers. Because they're not interested. Casual movie watchers want to use their streaming services, and they're likely paying for several already. Yeah, and that's where it gets. It gets really tricky and unromantic and unfortunate because we'd all like it to stay exactly the way we love obviously, but it can't, know and it well it won't.

33:06 We've had a great run. I'm not saying that it's ending. DVD people don't like to admit it, but DVD had a longer and stronger run. Than vahs, yeah by far, and d wed Some people still buy DVDs, Yeah, no, they absolutely do. The other problem is license costs. Blu rays are expensive to manufacture because of license costs, and four ks are incredibly expensive to manufacture because of license costs. Sometimes a blue, when you buy a four K, literally a third of the cost could have been paying for a license to Sony. It is what it is, it's their technology, they patented it so. Well, and then to go with four K. Before we got off this topic, we just you know, recently are finding out too now that a lot of what we thought was supposed to be region free four k's are now getting locked.

33:49 They're starting to lock four k's, which is crazy because when they introduced four K discs they actually said like they have no region setting, which I thought was a bizarre thing. I get. I get that people get mad, They're like, why is Germany have this movie and we don't on Blu ray or whatever, and like the region coding stupid. The entire reason for region coding is very very simple. It's so that smaller countries can afford to license those films for their people. Yeah, that's all it is. The reason there's a Dawn of the Dead box set in the United Kingdom, which I own. The reason there is one is because the rights are cheaper and more accessible in overseas than they are in America. So that's that's that. And as region coding dies, it's another death knell for physical media because why license a movie that to a country that only has five million people in it if those copies are just gonna end up disseminated in America or your biggest markets and whatever. So it's usually in the contract like this needs to be region locked.

34:56 And I'm guessing that they introduced region locking to fourk K discs because rights holders wanted that protection. Yeah, because for a while it was it was like it was and I don't even know there are only even a few reported to have region locking, but like it was the Wild West, I'd be like, oh man, I want a four K have Done and the Dead I'll just buy the UK one. Oh man, I want a four K. This loves buy from Oscar. Walter Hills movie The Driver is currently available on four K, and otherwise you're gonna have to pay like out the ass for like the Twilight Time title. Yeah, but it's like forty five dollars for a four K and I can watch it, and I mean that movie's difficult to find. Oh sure, sure, And four K is a great format. I mean it looks great, it sounds great. So it's tough because I think that the cost for the consumers is heading way up. I think we're gonna end up in the fifty to sixty dollars range.

35:43 I mean we're kind of already there on some of them, on some of them. Yeah, but I mean, like I think that's gonna be the rule, not the exception. Yeah. Right now, it's like the rule is like twenty seven to thirty dollars. Yeah. And then of course big label movies will be released a bit cheaper and go on sale a lot more. But that's also worrisome because if the big studios have to keep discounting their titles just to move them, how long before they're like, why are we putting four K out? I mean, Blumhouse put a bunch of titles out. The Hunt is coming out on four K through Shoutfashion. We did it Happy that day one and two. They've done a few others. They have a deal with Universal, Yeah, but they're doing their physical media through Shoutfashi Factory. But I mean at the same time too, it's getting to that point where you are seeing less of the studios having their four K is passing off to somebody else.

36:30 So at least if those boutique labels are still around, if people keep buying them, we're still going to get those for yes, whoever knows how long. So I mean, the main message I think in all of this is if you're a movie fan, which I mean if you're listening to this podcast, obviously you are. Yeah, physical media right now is probably at a height for a lot of stuff that has not either been available in a certain extent or is going to be available only for a short period. Just because now is one of the worst times for physical media of all times does not mean that now is one of the worst times for physical media collector exactly. Those are not the same thing. And what one thing that will hopefully occur is as time goes on, these studios will start to realize like, Okay, there's not quite as much money to be made in physical media. I need to be a little bit more kind and open minded about how much I want as a license to put them out on physical media so that I can avoid the pain in the butt of manufacturing the physical media, authoring the physical media. I'm gonna pawn that off on Keno, Luriber, I'm gonna pawn that off on Vinegar Center, I'm gonna pawn that off on all these other labels. Yeah, and I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if I wouldn't be shocked if we even saw another label or two pop up.

37:46 If that keeps happening, that happens. Yeah, Honestly, if I were them, if I were the major studios, I would go in on a physical media label together. Point I would. I would. I would if I was like Universal Studio, whatever, I'd be like, what if we found a label that's fifty percent owned by Sony or forty percent, and then we split the rest between like Universal Disney and make it to consortium so that the prices can go low. Right now, a lot of people might say, well, that would be a nightmare in a way, but they've also co owned streaming services before Hulu and stuff like that. But that's kind of what I would immediately think, because it's like, you have the licenses and they'd be cheap if you were sharing in the profits.

38:27 And that would be the way to go with it. Maybe I don't know, I could be wrong. I mean, I'm not directly in the boutique business other than as a collector, and very occasionally do I work in the business of boutiques. Yeah, but I will tell you I do think it's the best time to be the collector because there are so many films that have hit Blu Ray and four K that I never would have imagined would be available, and now I get to watch them in super high quality. I just got a four K of Collateral, a film that half of it was shot in HD, so I'm really curious how it's gonna look. Hey, I just got a Blu Ray seventh Curse from Vinegar Center in that movie is fucking insane. We could cheer no, and that's the thing. Yeah, So anyway, I didn't mean to go on a tirade, but it's like people are fast, especially because they love this stuff. Yeah, they're fast to fear. It's like when that article went viral about Sony shutting down Blu ray manufacturing ray rs, but everybody, yeah it was recordable Blu ray media. Everybody thought that it meant that Blu rays were no longer going to exist. But I can tell you as a person who has bought literally tens of thousands of physical discs to burn. Yeah, we never buy them from Sony.

39:36 They're too expensive. We buy them mostly from I'm pretty sure there's one factory in Taiwan that makes all of the cheap ones and then they're labeled under like five or six different names. Makes sense, And that's where we get our cheap physical media. So when it comes to manufacturing Blu rays that are going to go in a store, that's a whole other world. That's a whole other thing. I don't have a lot of insight into that, and rightfully, So glad, I don't being. If you are a physical media collector, now is the time. So if there are titles that you are seeing that you want to own, grab them up while you can. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't want to sound like I don't think the sky is falling, but the sky's going to be different. Sky's gonna be different. And also the sky is blood letting right now.

40:17 A lot of great deals, Yeah, I know there's been stupid deals. Yeah, it's been dangerous because uh I would I got a little bit money, I bought my I finally bought my first region free four K player. I haven't gone nuts buying region buying overseas stuff, but I have bought a few. Oh the reason that I don't buy region free player is because I know that there's no holding me back because I have a list still to this day of stuff that I want that is region B and D. But you want to know what was so sweet about it was watching that Terminator two and three D from the UK that I bought, not even ever hoping to watch. I bought it because it was thirteen dollars. Yeah, so I was like, oh, my Terminator two collection gonna have the three D blue from Overseas there and the one day I bought this play and I was like, wait, it's three D capable and plays all region D D. Yeah.

41:05 So anyway, the rain, Wow, that was a long thing just to say that. Yeah, so physical media lovers, fellow physical media lovers, don't panic now, but understand that it's going the landscape's going to change. I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, there's a lot of headway being made in made on demand product. I know some people hate made on demand product, and it is a different. Quint it's a different quality. But I mean like that it looks good. Kill from Warner Brothers that I get the Warner Archive DVD looked fine, like I mean, and looked look pretty good. Well, there's a company called Allied Vaughn and they are the biggest. They are probably who's going to pick up a lot of the slack, although they don't do as far as I know four k's yet, but they literally are a giant manufacturer. And when you order a movie that's burned on demand from Amazon, Target, Walmart wherever, it goes straight to their their their hubs. They have a few hubs all over the country. They make the cop the disc, they they burn the disc, they print the disc, they print the sleeve, they insert it, they package it, and they mail it to you asaph And that's what they do. That's all they do. That's all they do.

42:11 But no, that's that's all they do. So, I mean that's gonna be where, especially the smaller titles from the bigger companies, that's where they're headed. Yeah, they're they're they're headed there unless they get picked up by a boutique. Yeah. So, But I mean, if you want to keep your ear to the ground, Dawn of the Disc on Facebook's a great one to follow. Just don't read the comments. No. Blu ray dot com. If you go to the top of their page, they always have the deals that are going on between Amazon and all these other places including streaming too. So I mean you you have a lot of ways to get your finger on the pulse for physical media right now. Yes, yes, so, I I just I know, I've been in this business so long at this point, and i've been I mean, it's been my key source of income for over ten years. Yeah, I'm not trying to sound negative.

42:53 I'm just talking about what's happening. Yeah, it's like my buddy, well, buddy, he's a quaintance justin Robert Young. He has a show called Paulics Politics, Politics, and whenever people write them in to get mad, he's like, you realize, I'm just telling you what happened. I'm not telling you what should happen ye, or what I think should be happening. I'm just telling you what happened. Yeah. That's kind of how I feel when I talk about the film business, is like I'm telling you what has happened and what might happen, not what I want to happen. No. And I mean we're physical media collectors ourselves, as we've said numerous times. So I mean, you know, the last thing we want to read is that physical media is dying. But I mean you can't ignore that things have been happening lately that have looked like not the end is coming, but we have had a decrease well and simple. And there's other things that are worrisome too, Like when I was buying my region free four K player, most of the four K players on the market are like six or seven years old. They're not making new ones.

43:42 No, they're not that worries me a little bit. I mean, granted, you know, well there's the PlayStation five and there's the whatever. Yeah, but still they're not making them, and then prices aren't going down either. There's also making game systems without dis drives now entirely too. Yeah, they're still making it an option, yeah obviously, but yeah, and that's that's another thing worth mentioning is like when I bought my player. I think it's a great player, one of the best that was made at the time, but like I can tell how old it is by looking at it. Yeah, so, and it's a Sony, It's not like it's an off label even any off brand forty players. And maybe that would be nice if if maybe that patent could either get cheaper or something. It would be nice to see, you know, those those cheapy b ian I see APEX make a comeback, the place that made my first thirty dollars.

44:26 DVD player, Toby Kobe. Yeah, there we go. Anyway, My god, I'm sorry, I just I just had to talk about that for my entire life. Back as Tough Turf. Our director on the film is Fritz Kirsch. He gets his start in nineteen eighty four, directing Children of the Corn out of the Gate. Never heard of it, So that's his first that's his first feature. He also did a lot of commercial stuff before that, because, like I said, I'd listened to his commentary and he did a lot of premo commercials before that. So he does Joe on the Corn eighty four, the next year, does Tough Turf in eighty five, followed by Winner Takes All Gore in eighty seven. Oh, the film about future President. No, a really really bad cannon swords and sandals sci fi movie. It's not good.

45:08 As a canon movie. That's not good. Yeah, I don't buy it. Under the Boardwalk in nineteen eighty eight, Fable Charm in nineteen ninety, Swamp Thing TV series in nineteen ninety, Into the Sun, Shattered Image in ninety four, The Stranger in ninety five, High Tide Crayola Kids Adventures, Tales of Dolliver's Travel and now he said that that's my favorite. Surveillance in two thousand and six, and The Hunt in two thousand and six as well. Ah, the other, the other, the one that I kept seeing when I was trying to fight out what was happening with the new one. Yep. When it got pushed back on release. That was the dark times. Well that was before the COVID really, I know. Yeah, oh yeah. Writer. We have three writers on the film, starting with Jet Rennick. He gets his start with nineteen eighty five's Tough Turf. Our other writer on the film is Greg Collins O'Neil. He does Tough Turf in nineteen eighty five, Wordplaying eighty seven, the Sleeping Car in nineteen ninety, Zorro series in nineteen ninety, and Pacific Blue, the bicycle cop TV series USA used to play.

46:00 I oh my god, I take it back. Yes, I used to sit through Pacific Bloom so born yep. Waiting for Silk Stockings. I would wait for Walker, Texas Ranger reruns, right, some other stuff and then Silk Stockings some other stuff. Yeah, listen, kids, Silk Stockings man, that show does not get the love it is. It's not, it is not. Last writer on the film is Murray Michaels. He gets his start and his only credit with Tough Turf in nineteen eighty five. So three writers that this is all really they did? Wow? Yeah. Cinematographer on the film Willie Currant, he gets his Start in nineteen sixty six as director Photography on the Creatures, followed by Anna in sixty seven, The Departure in sixty seven, The Immortal Story in sixty eight, Night of the Following Day, which is a big one in sixty nine because that's Brando Man on horseback in sixty nine, Mafia Wants Blood in nineteen seventy, Pink Floyd Live of Pompei in seventy two.

46:57 Then in seventy seven he shoots a little film called The Incredible Melting Man. Yes, not only do I love that movie, I just got that that Fair Day. Follows that up with Harper Valley Pta in seventy eight, ABC After School Specials in seventy nine, Running Scared in nineteen eighty, Mama Dracula in nineteen eighty, The Killing of America in nineteen eighty one, comside thomaso Tag, The Assassination Game in eighty two, Equator in eighty three, then shoots Tough Turf in eighty five, followed by A State of Emergency in eighty five, Trade Secrets in eighty six, Under the Son of Satan in eighty seven, Milan Noir in eighty eight, Kitchen with an Apartment in ninety three, China Moon in ninety four, A Business Affair in ninety four, The Babysitters Club Movie in ninety five, White Man's Burden in ninety five, The Little Rioters, The New Swiss Family, Robinson delivering Milo Pooty Tang in two thousand and one, I.

47:46 Love Pooty Tangye yeah, yeah, that's a good one, and a. Burning a burning hot Summer in twenty eleven. He unfortunately lost him in twenty twenty one, May first at age eighty seven. No cause of death given, but I'm guessing probably. Old age, Yeah, old age or something along those lines. Wow. Moving down to our cast, we have James Spader in the film, who plays Morgan Hiller. He gets a start, sure does, Yes, he does. James Spader's this movie beautifully. I mean that would love. He's an amazing actor. I mean there's no denying now. So Teammates in seventy eight is his start. He goes on to do Endless Love in eighty one, The Family Tree in eighty three, A Killer in the Family in eighty three, followed by Tough Turf, which is his first like starring role in eighty five, The New Kids in eighty five, Star Cross in eighty five, Pretty in Pink in eighty seven, Mannequin in eighty seven, Yeah, Baby Boom in eighty.

48:32 Seven, Mannequin, I Love, Mannequin, Less than. Zero in eighty seven, Wall Street in eighty seven, Jack's Back in eighty eight, Sex Lies, and Videotape in eighty nine, which I just revisited. Have you seen it in a while? Not since I was in high school? Dude, go back and watch it. Soderbrigs first movie, of course, right right, right, perfect movie, perfect movie. Critirian put out an edition of it, which I watched a DVD of it when I watched it this past week. But Fantastic Film cannot recommend such Yeah, bad influence to nineteen ninety another one. I'll recommend White Palace in nineteen ninety, True Colors in ninety one, Bob Roberts in ninety two, Dream Lover in ninety three, And I'm going to take a second to tell you about dream Lovers. Oh yeah, I just watched dream Lever a couple weeks ago with our good friend Slisse, who is sweet and spooky on YouTube follow her channel. She's awesome, and we watched it and it is an erotic thriller from ninety three where James Spader finds the woman of his dreams. She comes into his life. This movie is really really odd, has some top tier Larry Miller, but she comes into his life and he is swooned by her. They get married, they have kids. All this happens in the first forty minutes.

49:34 Oh boy, And then the. Movie reveals spoilers that she has basically been building a case against in this entire time because she has mysterious bruises that appear and she's just like, oh, I just have this condition. Oh, she's building the case to ruin his life. Was he rich? Yeah? It rich. He works for a firm. Oh okay, So she's trying to get something. Yeah what is she trying to? Just money? Basically money. So he finds out that everything that she was told him was a complete live So then he goes to see her family in this town and a bunch of weird stuff happens. But the reason I'm telling you about this movie is A. I wasn't a big fan of it, but B I'm gonna spoil this ending because this ending is the only reason that if you are curious about this movie to watch it. She eventually gets him institutionalized. Oh so he gets sent away and only one was a pepsi. He gets institutionalized, and the movie ends with her going to visit him on his birthday.

50:23 So he is having his birthday. He convinces one of his fellow patients to distract the guards, and then him and the wife go on a walk and he's like, guess what, there's one fatal flaw of your plan and she's like, what's that. He goes, I'm crazy, strangles her dead, and that's the. End of the movie. What's that movie called again? Dream Lover? That's a brilliant ending, though. I really like that. I like the ending, but like the rest of the movie is not great. That's a great ending, though. He just he just turns it on her, like, oh well, since I'm insane, I'll just murder nobody. They already think I'm insane. So Dream Lover from nineteen ninety three, if you're gonna watch it. I unfortunately watched the R rated cut, which has the sex scenes trimmed down because there's an unrated But that is a movie that I don't recommend, except for the ending. Well, I mean God damn no, it's a hell of an ending though. That's great. I love that twist.

51:15 Moving on to a movie, I do recommend Wolf from nineteen ninety four. Him and Jack Nicholson in that movie. Phenomenal. Oh my god, that movie. Yeah, everything about that movie is a joy. Stargate in ninety four, Crash in ninety six, Two Days in the Valley in ninety six, Critical Care in ninety seven, The Water in two thousand, Secretary two thousand and two, Right the Stick Up in two thousand and two, Alien Hunter, Boston, Legal, The Office, Lincoln, The Homesman, then does Avengers. He's of Ultron in twenty fifteen, and of course you know was on the Blacklist recently as well, which completed a couple of years ago. I want to say, yeah, I mean he became a go to for what I would call like big like network, yeah, high prestige television. Yeah.

51:57 No, he he is definitely one of those names that like, you know the name. But it's funny when you look at his film career. He did a good amount, but not as much as you would think because he only has like fifty five credits on IMDb. WO. So moving down to our other actress. We have Kim Richards, who plays Frankie Croyden in the film. She gets her start in nineteen seventy one's The Strange Monster of Strawberry Cove, The Nanny and the Professor, the FBI Picture of Dorian Gray in seventy three, Emergency, Little House on the Prairie, Escape from Which Mountain, which is one of her big claims, Special Delivery assault on pre scene thirteen, she's the little girl. Oh no, way I wanted was a vanilla? Yeah? Oh my, that's her. I love that. Then moving on to the Rockford Files in seventy six, Raid Atanabi, the Car in seventy seven, Police Story in seventy seven, Devil Dog, Hound of Hell, Different Strokes Alice, the Love Boat, Dukes of Hazzard, meat Balls Part two, Tough Turf in eighty five, Escape, Black Snake Moan in two thousand and six, Race to Witch Mountain in two thousand and nine, Revenge TV series Sharknado three, Oh hell No. In twenty fifteen.

52:56 Now we're talking about a motion picture. And people may also know that she is Paris Hilton's aunt. So she appeared on the Simple Life as herself in two thousand and four and Real Housewise of Beverly Hills in twenty ten. Well hell mm hmm, all right, and if I remember correctly, no, no shade to her. I believe she had a mental breakdown on Real Housewives. Shocking, Yeah, that never happens. And wrapping up our cast, mister Robert Downey Junior, who plays Jimmy Parker in the film, who I. Was very surprised to see. Yeah, I did not know. He got to start in nineteen seventy in Pound. I did not know he was in Pound, his father's movie. Oh shit. Yeah. No. The Sheens and estavez Is they always like to work with their family. Yeah, I mean they were. They've always been very supportive of each other and all that. The Estavezs and Sheens are all from Dayton, Ohio. Yeah, we're sitting right now, so and the Estavezas that are still here.

53:44 Really nice people, actually, I mean like really really nice people. Baby, it's you in nineteen eighty three, first Born in eighty four, Then does Tough Turf in eighty five. Girls just want to have fun, weird science SNL in eighty five, The Billion Years, Yeah, back to school in eighty six. Less than zero at eighty seven, Johnny be Good, True Believer, Air America Soap Dish in ninety one. I love Air America. I love soap Dish so much. I've never seen soap. Soap Dish is great. Oh it's a soap opera that goes like wrong. Maybe I don't know. You probably had it was a cable player back in the day. I visited Air America like two years ago, and I. Fun Chaplain in ninety two, Heart and Souls in ninety three, Natural Born Killers in ninety four, Richard the Third, and ninety five Home for the Holidays in ninety five.

54:27 One of my favorite performances by them although. Fall into his eyes if you look too hard. Yeah, well, not just because he's beautiful, but because his pupils are so dilated that they legally could be hubcasts. That is famously the film that Jodie Foster wrote to him afterwards and told him, you need to clean up your actor. You're going to die. Yeah. No, Well, Jody Foster has stood up for people who really needed an advocate. And the most I would say the two most incredible not just famous, but incredible examples were Downy and Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson. Yeah, mel Gibson. One of those moments that like got me in the fields was I think it was it was she won an award I think for the Beaver. Beaver. I forget what it was mine to Big Golden Globe.

55:07 It was something. It was a saga order, so I can't remember. But she won an award for The Beaver, which is one of my favorite movies I've ever seen, yeah, ever, and. Literally watched it for the first time ever in this room. I borrowed your copy when I was staying with you when was still living here. That yeah, okay, Yeah, that movie's amazing. Yeah. So she she's thanking everybody and one of the things. And this is after the the tape the recordings of him yelling on the phone, which which he was anti I'm not I am not justifying mel Gibson's terrible things. Yeah, but as a person who has had his own mental health issues not as severe as mel mel Gibson had a horrible father who was a drunk, bigot, terrible person. And if you read about mel Gibson's father and then you see how he was talking when he was wasted and drunk and angry. Yeah, he sounds like his father. Yeah, and I my heart goes out to some who who you know, remember, didn't take much for him to move across the entire planet from Australia to America and get away from all that stuff. So it breaks my heart to think that he's sounding like his father, that he's being his father. And I think that happens to a lot of people who are alcoholics, that they become who they're trying to escape. Yeah. But so after all that happens, the Beaver comes out and when she gets the award, she says, and I want to thank Mel, and she says, Mel, I'll never give up on you. I do remember that, And that actually softened me to Mel Gibson a bit too, because it made me realize that the people closest to him knew that he was struggling and that he had

56:38 serious problems, yeah, and that he needed help. Yeah. So that is what I got. That's fair, So hopeful The Holidays in ninety five, US Marshalls in ninety eight, in Dreams, Bowfinger, Wonder Boys, Ally McBeal in two thousand, The Singing Detective Gothica in two thousand and three, which I want to give a shout out to Gothica. That is a movie that does not get its due. I've never seen Gothica. Is Halle Berry's Dark Castle. Yeah, Dark Castle, Yeah, yea Yeah. It's a really really good ghost story that has a lot of layers to it that it kind of got brushed under, I think because it was just one of the lesser ones. Yeah, I mean, I remember people talking about it when it happened. But I think also it had the calling it Gothica, had a bit of a hello fellow kids mentality. Yeah, that a lot of people just rubbed them the wrong way right away.

57:24 Kiss Kiss, bang bang in two thousand and five, good Night, good Luck in two thousand and five, Scanner Darkly in two thousand and six, is Odiac, and then iron Man in two thousand and eight, and the rest is history from there. Yeah. And I'm and I'm so happy that Downey has cleaned up his act because he's a phenomenal actor, phenomenal talent, phenomenal personality. One of my favorite rules of his, even though it's like really minor is Chef. His appearance. Chef is so good. Everybody is so good in che Chef is just such a great experience in every way, one of the only one of the not only, but one of the very few films that's kind of about nothing as far as plot plugs. That is a joy and you get something when it's over and you're happy. And if you haven't seen, Chef cannot recommend that movie enough and it'll probably come to the show at some point.

58:08 I'm yeah, maybe probably. I mean, it's worth talking about. But my only problem, and I mentioned this when we were watching the film, My only problem with Downey in this movie is I seeing him young makes me uncomfortable because it's like I'm transported to a time when I literally wondered if he was going to die. Yeah, because he was so clearly off the rails, ye, doing pills and drugs and stuff, pills and drugs, not just bills, just drugs, pills, both bills as well as drugs. But so I'm so happy that he had a happy ending. But sometimes when I watch him in those movies, I'll be like, my god, I can tell how loaded he is, you know, I can really tell, and it's scary, even though he turned it around.

58:49 Yeah, So my first time watching Tougher, because this was your first time the Night. I got this movie brought to my attention because I was at f YE one day when I had moved back to Troy and and I was shopping around and I came across an eight film pack that i'd seen advertise on Amazon from Mill Creek that was Eighties Guilty Pleasures. Oh that's what they titled it, Eighties Guilty Pleasures. And this included soul Man, Girls Just Want to Have Fun, Angel, Tough Turf, Fraternity Vacation, Black Moon Rising, Night Patrol, and Reform school Girls. Most of those are bangers. Yeah, yeah, So I had never heard it Sough Turf. I solely got it because I was a big fit of Night Patrol. And I think I also got it for soul Man. I think that was the two that I was a hunting after point.

59:33 See Thomas Howell in Blackface. It's a it's it's it's a thing. It's a thing, and it exists, it happened. It's not a bad movie. But I mean, don't get me wrong, it's that didn't age the best. Well no, no, no, no, no no. That the problem with soul Man. The real problem with soul Man is that some people want to believe that somehow that that was not off color when they did it. Yeah, it was one percent. The whole point was that it was not okay for him to be in blackface. See, Thomas Howell was not pretending to literally be a black character. He was playing a white character pretending to be a that was pretending to be a black character. He could get into the school.

1:00:14 Yeah, so it's not And don't get I'm not saying that it's a great thing. I don't think we should make it today. I mean it's still I'm gonna say this, it's still readily available on Voodoo. You can get it today. Yeah, but it just drives me crazy when people gotta go like that wouldn't fly it. I'm like people were offended. Then that was the point. It wasn't a movie about how great it is to wear blackface. That was never the point. Oh, if you want to hear something hilarious about that movie, Raydon Chong and Bernie Casey have both done interviews on it, I would love to hear that. I found him on YouTube all back and I think there was also a documentary on the disc that they were on. But yeah, so I got that collection and I genuinely had no idea like I'd seen Angel, I'd seen Night Patrol, and I'd seen Girls Just Want to have Fun. He knew about a few of the other movies and never heard a tough turf, and eventually got the tough Turf because I think it shared the same disc with Soul Man, if I'm not mistaken nice. So I got the tough term and my world just changed. I was blown away by how dumb, how fun the movie was, the tonal shift, and just genuinely the huge jump between music numbers, violent attacks and teen romance. Yeah, like it's out of its fucking mind.

1:01:18 No, it's it's completely disjointed. Yeah, it's clearly. It's clear that there was a lot of meddling behind the scenes. It's really interesting. On the commentary, did the director mention like it was he went straight from Children of the Corn to that. Yeah, did they not know Children of the Corn was a hit yet? I think he had mentioned that it was that they had just basically locked it down and they didn't know the success of it yet. Yeah, because because it seems like if Children of the Corn had come out, which would have been one of the few New World successes post Roger Corman. Yeah, they would have been. They would have been like, you do whatever you want with this movie. You're a god. And that was the funny thing when we started the film, literally started the film, and you're like, it's a pretty ridiculous movie. It's you know, blah blah blah blah. And then the New World Okay, oh yeah, they throw money at anything, Yes they would now and again that doesn't mean that they didn't make a lot of fun movies that would have never gotten the kinds of budgets they deserve.

1:02:10 But most of them flopped. There's a reason that that company is long gone. Yeah, for every for every hell Raiser, for every I'm trying to think of another big hit. They had a few big hits. Creep Show too, well, that's not it, but it was a modern hit. Shit. But but for every one of those that were like where they threw money into something that turned out really great. Children in the Corn is one I was trying to think of, which we just talked about. For every one of those, they had like fifteen movies where you were like, why is this so weird and expensive? Yeah, and I mean New World Pictures is just that sign of quality that you know when it pops up, you're either in for a dog or a ride. Well, you know you're in for a nostalgia hit. Yeah, for sure.

1:02:51 Dam and I love them and and I love I found my love for most of the New World Pictures stuff from the eighties thanks to the Anchor Bay DVD double features. Yeah, that they were cranking out there for a while. Well, I mean so Tough Turf was on Anchor Base, so was her from Squirrel Girl, so was Night Patrol, so was soul Man. All those titles on that Mill Creek pack were Anchor Bay titles. They were kind of the home for all of those New World films that weren't the big hits. Yeah, for quite a while. Well, I mean, Hell, they repackaged Hell, Hell Comes to Frogtown and Deaf Con together four. Hell Comes to Frogtown is a phenomenal example of how insane the management at New World Pictures was. That is very true. I love that movie, but it is it is not just bonkers.

1:03:37 Yeah, it's they tried to be serious with the premise. That doesn't sound serious at all, But. That's because the director whose name escapes me right now is wild and crazy. Yeah, like Perverse is the best way to describe it. It's just the reason that that movie is so fun is because there's no wink. No, there's no like haha. Is in this ridiculous Donald G. Jackson, Donald G. Jackson, And I know you're about to start freddlin Ras autobiography. He has a whole bunch of stories. They were buddies, oh buddy, Yeah, including including a time that he loaned his son Chris to him to like film scenes for a new movie. And uh, and then the police got called because he was filming without a permit. Yeah, and then and he tried to be mad at Fred like, well, your son was making too much noise. And he was like I'm just taking my son back. And now I'm mad at you, like I was letting you film with my son just to be nice. It's a it can't a way to read this book. It's a really it's a great book. Uh. It's help for Hollywood. Highly recommended.

1:04:32 It's a great read. But anyway, so. Yeah, getting in a tough turf. So we opened the movie. We're seeing James Spader riding his bike through the streets of la We're seeing street lights, we're seeing neon lights. Oh no, Oh, we see James Spader riding his bicycle. Bicycle. Yes, you made it sound like the movie I was expecting when I heard the term tough Turf. One of the reasons I never got around to watching it, yeah, was I thought it was yet another one of those kind of post warriors. It was supposed to be. A remake of Rebel Without a Cause originally, is what the idea was supposed to be. But then they were like, eh, that was good, let's not do that. It's not a bad movie, but it's a fever dream.

1:05:12 It's a fever dream. Yeah. So he's riding his bike through streets of LA We're seeing street lights, we're seeing neon lights, we're seeing cars pass them, and we eventually meet Nick and his gang and his girlfriend Frankie, and they're setting up. A guy who comes out of a store and waits at a bus stop. Makes no sense. This guy is wearing a suit and tie, yes, And the young woman is standing on the corner. She makes sense. She looks like she's waiting for a bus or waiting for like a boyfriend to pick her up or something. But this guy walks out of a store in the middle of the rough part of town. There's a news stand there, like the kids are reading Porno's. Yeah, they're just checking out Porno Mags. But he's just standing there smoking cigarette. All I could think was like, why are you standing? Like, yeah, don't you You've got to have a car, yeah, you Like, what are you doing here? And this scene is just is just ridiculous.

1:06:00 They get ready to mug him. He's clearly so he's clearly a mark. So Frankie walks over to him and has a five or what looks like a one in the movie it does yeah, and she's like, you know, do you have changed for a five? He goes in to get the money and she signals to Nick and they start crossing the street. One guy breaks an antenna off a car, one guy grabs his spray paint, and then of course Nick breaks out a razor and throws the guy up against the wall. He's like, you know, money's in my left pocket. And right as this is happening, James Spader, as Morgan, rides on his bike, grabs a beer can from one of the gang members sprays them with it, to where one of the gang members sprays Nick in the face of spray paint, and then they also free the guy. The dude with the antenna goes to swipe at Morgan and cuts his jacket and rides off, and that's Morgan Hiller's introduction.

1:06:41 Yeah, but the thing they established that these guys are like very dangerous rofue oh yeah, but then they're just pains in the asses until like the last twenty minutes. Yeah, they're mostly just like dickheads. I assumed that what were where we were going, and this is especially based on movies at that time period, that like we'd find out that these kids deal, uh, we'd find out that they're you know, loaning money or something or running illegal gambling. There's like no drug use in the movie at all. Honestly, they're just pricks. Yeah, they're just little shitheads. Yeah, so he catches Frankie's attention and we just kind of see Frankie being like, oh okay. So then we go to we go to see Morgan's home life the next day, because we find out that later on that his family has moved from Connecticut. They used to be a well to do family. His dad owned a business.

1:07:28 The business collapse, so they decided to take everything Connecticut and move to la. Which made me laugh out loud. It's like, Oh, things are too expensive in Connecticut. What's the vaguely less expensive place, Oh, the ghetto in California. Like although, although I'll give credit later on they reveal that the dad is driving a taxi cab to support the family while he gets his real estate license in California. He does. And I will say, especially in the eighties, selling real estate and cal California is a lot of opportunity as opposed to like Connecticut, where it's a little bit smaller, it's a little bit tighter. Yeah, and it is expensive, especially if you're used to a certain degree of living.

1:08:09 You know, I spent I spent almost every year growing up. I'd spend at least a weekend or a week in Connecticut with my grandparents because they lived in there, out there and it was fancy. I remember when they decided to leave Connecticut and moved to Hamilton, Ohio, because they've been there for a few years. My dad was actually born down there like they because my grandpa was in the Navy, and they moved all the time, and they had literally said, like, we just don't like the people on the East Coast. You know, we're gonna go back to Hamilton. We have family out there, you know, we'll just kind of live out there. And then I remember them talking about how amped they were because when they sold their house in Connecticut, they got like this stack of money and then they found the perfect house in Hamilton and they were like, oh cool, that's like that house barely costs the profit we made off of selling the house that wasn't paid off yet, like, because it was immensely cheaper.

1:08:59 Yeah. I mean we're talking two thousand and four, two thousand and three, so like Ohio, it was crazy cheap. It's still very cheap. Yeah, it was crazy cheap back then. So they bought this big house, one story because they were getting older, and but yeah, I remember them leaving. But I remember my asking my grandpa, who was a very wise man and he had a wonderful name too, Enrique Cato. This was my grandpa's name too, But I remember asking him, like, why did you guys leave Connecticut? I thought Connecticut, I mean I grew up in Ohio. I thought Connecticut was beautiful. I love the drives out there. Yeah, and he just thought out he was like, nobody's grateful in Connecticut and all the damn vampires and all the damn vampires that would I mean, I'm sure, I'm you know, considering how sparse his his naval record is he probably did fight vampires for the US government. They just spoke German apparently. Yeah, so, but no, it was just I just remember saying, like, you know, when you he literally was like, in Hamilton, if I go to McDonald's, people like care to hand me my hamburger? Yeah, And he was like in Connecticut people are like so, which I just found really interesting, a really interesting observation that he was like, people just aren't. They don't appreciate anything out there any more interesting. Well, he also lived in a pretty nice part of Connecticut. I don't yeah, I don't know all the details of how they even afforded it, to be honest. That could also fall into like, you know, killing vampires.

1:10:17 Yes. So we see Morgan's new home and the way they established that it's not a nice place is there's roaches in the room crawling all over his stuff that hasn't been unpacked yet. He's got an Albert Einstein poster that has roaches crawling on it. So number one, it's the only time we see roaches. Yeah, so they just crammed them into this one scene. But or they came to the moving supplies. That's what I thought. I thought they were trying to say that, like his stuff was dirty. Yeah, but you saying that, I'm like, oh, that was what they were trying to establish it. And they lived in a rough area. Their house was huge, huge, They lived in a neighborhood. They didn't live in an apartment building. All I'm saying is to have cockroaches just on the middle of your walls, yeah, not even congregating where there's food, you would have to have like the worst infestation ever. You've never dealt with roaches, right.

1:11:09 Uh, not to that, not to that level, not to those size of them. I've had roaches. Like we had a couple of college but like nothing major. Oh yeah, that's gonna happen to college. See something that a lot of people don't want to talk about. I lived in Jersey for three years and because not just for me, because I didn't have roaches where I lived, thank goodness. Yeah, but I had so many friends that lived in the coasts, and they would say, like, when you're living in these giant apartment complexes in New York City and Jersey City and all the in Philly, you just have roaches. Yeah, and there's no option, like they'll fumicate so that their numbers are low. But like, I had friends who almost said their names, but I don't know if they'd want that. I had friends who literally like I'd come up to the house and be like, oh, cool, you have one of those like little tupperware things to keep your your cereal fresh. Yeah, And they'd be like, I would never leave any food in any way out in the open, because then I'll definitely have tons of roaches.

1:12:00 And I'd be like, ah, I remember when bed bugs hit. It was miserable out there because it was like you're just gonna get. Gonna get them. Yeah. So But so my point is many times in this film, I was like, oh, this is supposed to be where poor people live. Oh, these are supposed to be poor people. This is supposed to be the rough part of town. It's not. It was such a like out of touch concept. Yeah. And it wasn't even like some of the really fun gang kid movies of the day, where like it was kind of you know, futuristic, or it was kind of abstract. No, it just was not just out of touch, it's just completely out of well. The best thing then, though, is he's watching the roaches crawl on this poster and then he takes two dark guns kills them both. Now, the reason I bring this up is because on the commentary, this scene was added because towards the end when he actually brings the guns out, they wanted to establish that they were non lethal weapons.

1:12:54 So originally he just had dark guns. It's just no establishing it. And these aren't dark guns for the red. These are not dark guns like I had a dark gun when I was a kid. These are like they look like tranquilize. Oh yeahs. They're like they have pointy pieces and little like the little fur on the end of the feather on the end. Because you think they're like paintball at first, yeah. Or pellets or something, but they're they're like where would you get. That, Connecticut apparently. So we see Morgan leaves and he goes off to school riding his bike. He says by to his dad as he's getting his taxi, and that's when we get the tough Turf theme song. As he rides to school and we're riding along with them. We get to school, we see the kids, We see everybody listening to boomboxes, act in a fool, tagging spots and everything.

1:13:37 And we also see that the bullies are now at the school as well. Yes, but they're not attending. School, No, they're just hanging out out there, I guess, to meet up because that's where they're supposed to go. Yeah, and then they're probably going to cut class or what have you. So we see Morgan who talks to one of the security guards at school because he wants me to go Parker's bike, which is I can't remember the actor's name, but he's the guy in Diehard Too. It's been night movies. Yeah, And one thing I liked about this is it tells you a bit about Spader's character, which is, in my opinion, that he has more of like a healthy distrust of authority as opposed to just an out and out because he jokes with him. Yeah, he kind of laughs about it because he's like, hey, you don't ride the bike once you're in the actual area.

1:14:19 Yeah. Yeah, He's like, you take it over there, and then while he's like, lock your bike over there, and you get it. At the end of the day, he starts riding over. He say, hey, walk your bike, and then he just looks a me goes you ever shoot that thing? And I just liked that because, like, like I said, it didn't come off like he was a delinquent. But he's definitely a smart ass. He definitely he definitely questions things, and. He's got his leather jacket, he's got his shades. Which don't make him look cool in the eighties, although nobody else looked much cooler, so let's not pretend. But Nick and his bullies see the see the Spader going into school and they're like, I guess we're going to school today, which we never see them in school. For that matter, A school is a very minor character in this film. And we also find out that Spader's been kicked out of school's previously because he has a meeting with his principal and the principal's like, listen, your test scores are off the chart, like you're a good kid, Like don't be a problem. You won't be a problem.

1:15:07 I always love that how they're like, look, we want you, we want you to like this guy who's a delinquent so he's really smart. Yeah, because stupid people don't deserve good things. So Shakespeare too, Yeah, that is true. He seems to like Shakespeare. I mean, I'm a high school dropout and I was not a sexy genius like David Spader. So that's when we also meet Robert Downey Junior's character, who is Johnny in the class, and he is introduced because they're watching a film on the Old West and then the Frontiersmen and whatnot. We see kids that are playing like with guns and every like their finger guns and whatnot and fucking whips on a switchblade. Yeah, just like pops it out. Yeah, he's like, oh, I didn't know it came out that quick. And then he gives it to Morgan and he's just like, you're gonna need this, like because he knows that. Like I thought that was on him.

1:15:54 I thought he get off. I thought he got it all. Okay, maybe that's that's why that's whatever. I was like, why would he take it out? Okay? Yeah, he just like pulled it out of his pocket, which tells you what kind of trouble Baker is that he's just like sitting behind you again, but it tells you a lot about the character. Yeah, he didn't do it to rob him. He did it because he's just he's weird, and and yeah, Jimmy not Johnny jim thank you Jimmy. Uh. Jimmy also tells him that, like he basically you're probably gonna need it because he knows that he's pulled some shit already, so he knows that he's got some guff on. Were you ever the new kid other than normal moving along? Nope, I never. We never moved to a point of that. And the only time that I felt like a legitimate new kid was going from elementary school to junior high man.

1:16:37 So I was the new kid one time, not from you know, going to the next school. And it was rough, dude. Some dudes were like picking a fight with me all the time. You know, girls didn't want to talk to me, and I just realized, like, you know, life is shit. It was the worst third grade year of my life. I was the new kid, that makes sense. It was funny. Like it was funny though, because like you really do kind of walk in and just go, m is there anyone vaguely like me? Yeah, I mean, at least I sit with you, you know, you can't ever do the thing that Drew Barrymore does and Donnie Darko with just sit next to the boy that you think is the cutest. Honestly, that would have been the smartest move.

1:17:18 Yeah. So that is when after class we see Nick and Frankie have taken Morgan's bike and they're just having a nice little jar ad out with their ride out in the open while cars are circling them. Yeah, and Morgan of course takes note of this. He goes up to Nick and Nick's like, you know, we're just trying your bike out, you know, do you want it back, and eventually gives it back to him, throwing it down. But by this point one of the cars has raced to the other side of the parking lot and is coming right at Morgan. Yeah. And what does Morgan do. He puts the brakes on the bike, tries to swing it, but it gets hit by the car and thrown into the air. Yeah. The guy jerks the wheel just in the nick of time to not smash him as well, and just wrecks his bike. It gets thrown up in the air like fifteen feet It's cartoonish, yes, how the bike flies through the air and they make it like a really tragic moment, which I thought was funny was because I think what we were watching it, I was like, uh, my grandfather brought the spike over from the old country.

1:18:12 Well, what's funny too, is like he doesn't really have a change in his emotion the entire He gets sprayed in the face with like spray paint at one point. Yeah, and he's just he's cool. He's cool. Yeah, it's funny now that you say that it was originally supposed to be Revel without the cause remake. Yeah, it kind of is. For like the first eight minutes. So as school as ice for a smidge who. As ice is anything you want it to be, that is very much more. Oh boy. So that's when Morgan returns home and he's working on his bike in his bedroom and his mom comes in and she's like, you know, that was a five hundred dollars bike and gives him shit because again he's been kicked out of schools. His attitude's not great, and he's nothing like his brother because his brother is the shiny example of a sun. Yeah, and I got a sense when we meet his brother later they mentioned that he's currently becoming a lawyer. Yeah, and I got a sense too that one of the reasons they downsized was to keep him in school. Yeah, paying for his schooling because obviously it'll pay.

1:19:02 All and that definitely makes sense. Yeah, and Spader later on he goes they he and some friends they crash a country club. Yeah, and it's great because Spader knows exactly how to talk to rich like the look. It's very funny. So that is when before we had the scene of him going and finding his bike, Jimmy invited him to see his band play at a warehouse. So he told him that it was going to be tonight and basically to follow the street, walk past the porno shops, turn left and he'll be there. So after that, he goes out to see his band, but of course he doesn't have his bike. He's trying to walk. He's trying to hitch a ride, and then he finds a car with keys just left in the ignition. Yeah, so he steals a corvette. Yeah, and then he gets to this middle of nowhere warehouse warehouse, And this is when I started to notice something about this movie. Yeah, the dudes just don't wear shirts a lot.

1:19:50 They do not because we're having the Jim Carroll Band play, which is an actual musician, and Downey is on the drums, shirtless, wearing glasses around his neck. I thought it was a bow tie at first, because they cut away really fast. She was just wearing a bow tie and no shirt. Now, I will give it to Downy. You know, drummers often, especially in like high energy bands, they're often the ones who always have no shirt off because they are so physical. Yeah, but uh, I don't think he was playing those drums. I don't think so either. And there were a lot of scenes where just I was like, why are like, why are these dudes shirtless? Yeah? Yeah, So Jim Carroll Band's playing down He's working on the drums, and if you think this movie has a shortage of music, don't worry. Oh, don't worry. Don't you worry at all.

1:20:31 Jim Carroll Band's going along. So Morgan walks in and he immediately sees after a while that Frankie is also here, but he doesn't realize that Nick and his cronies are there as well. But he decides to take the opportunity to steal her for a dance, and steal her indeed because like he forces her to dance with him for about a good solid, like minute and a half for being like get away from me, Like what are you doing? And everyone's choreographed this dance apparently in this warehouse. Yeah, yeah, because this was and this was the moment when I when I really realized the film was so entirely out of touch with young people because a year earlier was. Breaking, breaking and breaking too well and breaking. You can say what you want about breaking, but the reason it was successful was it actually did represent the youth culture going on. Now we may look back at wow, that was cheesy, but like in the earliest days of hip hop, break dancing was a major element of it. Yea.

1:21:23 It was at a point where gangster rap was still was just being born, and it was very it was still kind of light and fun, you know. So I mean, and the reason I know gangster rec was born because Ice teas in it, and he was, you know, the first I don't I don't want to hear your disagreements. He was the first gangster rap. Er John Claude. Yeah, that's true. But but like Breakin was able to depict like here's some young people, here's how they like get in trouble. Here's how they stay out of trouble. Yeah, here's how they do all these things. It really connected, and it made an ass load of money at the box office. And then there's this movie, yes, and then there's this movie. So naturally that a dancing with Frankie draws Nick's attention. Also, Frankie's friend Ronnie takes attention of it, and Nick sends his guys over to break it up. Spader starts dancing with one of his guys at one point, then throws him to the side. They go running out. Nick sends Frankie home with Ronnie and that's when they go after Morgan.

1:22:14 And outside they catch up to Morgan. They're about to kick his ass, and they do. They kick him in the balls a couple of times and like basically threaten him, like you know, you're the new kid here, like, don't fuck with us. Yeah, and then they steal his car. But if you remember correctly, that's not his car. That's already stolen. So Jimmy comes out and he's and he you know, checks on him, and he's like, man, I can't believe took your wheels. He's like, oh, they're not mine. So they get arrested by the cops. They're joy riding, and what's hilarious too, is like they're like taking the radio out and like drop it in the car and then they immediately get pulled over and arrested. Yeah, so that is when Morgan returns home and he finds his brother with his mom and they're having some caviare and some champagne out in front of the apartment.

1:22:55 He's wearing a sweater tied around it, like over his shoulders, yes, sleeves. Yeah. Yeah, it's very very bougie. Yes. And Morgan even ask him if he can borrow the car, and his brother's like, you know, well, I was gonna take mom to the movie soon, so you know, any other time it'd be fun. He's like, you know what, forget about it, and that's when he goes to walk in. Suddenly the car from Nick's gang passes and then it stops and comes at chasing him right down an alley. So Morgan is running through the alley. He's trying to climb walls, climbs to a fence, falls off the fence, and that's when the door opens to the car, revealing Jimmy, who stole nicks buddy's car. Yes, And so Morgan gets in there, driving the car just round and one of my favorite things about this is Jimmy is just throwing cassette tapes out the favorite That's.

1:23:41 What I'm going to do in your car next time. I will kill you. I will kill you. Yes, cassette tapes in his car. Oh, I do, because I still have a cassette deck in my car. So that's when we also see that Frankie and Ronnie are at a burger joint and they're talking about Nick is in jail. They don't know when he's gonna get out, and Frankie has had enough of it, so she goes to leave, and Ronnie's like, you know, hey, I'm eating my burger, which she gets rubbing her face. Which is so funny because I swear like she's cleaning up the mess that that girl made on her. For like three or four shots, it just keeps there, keeps being more mao on every time they cut. So that's when naturally, Nick or Morgan is driving past in Nick's car. They think it's Nick. They run up and they both get in the car and they're just gonna go joy ride for a little bit.

1:24:22 Yeah, there's a lot of enjoy riding in this film. Jimmy and Ronnie are making out in the back hard core except if you zoom in on Downy's face. I say making out as a no, no Downey. I think they were supposed to be doing it too. Yeah, but he's like somewhat reticent and resistant, but then all of a sudden he just kind of is like whatever. Yeah, they're just laying down. She's like like modeling at his. Face, fighting at his neck, and he's like occasionally gently like sneaking one little kiss and then like pulling away. It's actually really funny, it is and strange. So Morgan's like, you know what, you know, why won't you give me a chance? Frankie, you know, why do you like Nick? And all this stuff? And they end up just having a pleasure cruise, going to Beverly Hills, driving past all these nice houses, and then they eventually get to a country club and that's when Jimmy is like, you know, what are we gonna you know, catch off and tee off. He's like, no, I think we're gonna take a bite. And he's like, you know, every Friday is Junior's out of these places, like it's the same thing.

1:25:12 Follow my drift. The one girl when she's like, wow, look at this front yard. It's here, and he goes, that's a golf course. Golf course, fronny. So they go into the country club. They're putting up a huge schmooze. They've got their little sweaters hoped up, they got ties on. One of my favorite scenes of the whole film. Yeah, And they immediately are found out by the guy and he just he talks his way through and he's just like, oh no, no, they'll vouch for us, And they sneak into the buffet. He just what he does is he says like, oh, I left it with my rackets and the thing. But and he he starts, he just starts weaving a tapestry of white people names. Well, but Linda and Carl, Carl and whatever. They can vouch for me whenever when you see them next, let them know I said hello, by the way, because I didn't catch them today. He just says all that until the guy just kind of goes all right, yeah, good time.

1:25:57 So they sneak off. There's a band playing shake it Up Now, and there's this whole montage at this point of just jokes, just jokes happening between him schmoozing with people. You've got Downy eating off this dude's plate, talking about. Front of him, in front of the funniest part about that was like the guy. The reason the guy's not freaking out is like the food's free, Like he's just you could just go get another plate. Yeah, Downey is literally just taking things and eating them as he's talking. Talking about you shouldn't mix these two together, you know it'll be bad. And then at the end of the conversation just takes the play leaves him with the glass. It's it's really good. Spader just is just spitting buzzwords. But my favorite is what's the girl who was into Downey? What's her? Ronnie? Ronnie is just with these like three waspy young girls and just talking about sex in the most graphic way, and they're all fast.

1:26:44 And loving it and also chiming in yeah no, it's it's really the best scene. Swallow right, and they're all like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's super funny. So Spader thinks they're gonna get found out, so he does one more ploy, which is taking Frankie to the piano. He has or sit on the piano, and then he fricking sings a song. Yeah. Well, Art Carney's son sings a song in Spader's voice. Yes, And it was a really cute scene. Yeah, And you see her being won over by him. And they have decent chemistry, decent chemistry, and people. Are dancing with the song. The song ends and the guy comes up and he's like, you've never been a member here and never will be and kicks them out. Yeah. I love that. On their way out, she takes a whole lobster. Takes a whole lobster down. He's caught with a freaking baguett and this like a. Two and a half foot long baguette and they're like, ah, and they take that from him. It's really funny.

1:27:28 So they leave the country club and that's when Frankie and Morgan are just kind of walking along and you find out that, like Morgan's been kicked out of schools, he kind of opens up to her, and Frankie emans open up because like her mom passed a couple of years ago because of cancer, it's just her and her dad and there's not really any plan, and that's why she kind of feels stuck with Nick. Well, she tells him her plan is to get married because you don't have to finish high school to do that. Yeah, and I was like, well shit, Okay. So they have a really sweet scene and then we get to my favorite scene of the movie. Oh yeah, where we meet Jack Mac and the heart Attack. Would you like to take it from here? Well, I was not familiar with Jack Mac and the heart Attack, but they are a I want to say, eight or eleven piece.

1:28:12 Yeah. Well it wasn't that bad. It wasn't nine to eleven. But they're a large R and B funk fusion band. Yes, the guy Jack Mac, I'm guessing he has a great voice. Yes, he is basically just doing Little Richard, maybe a little bit of James Brown, you know, he's kind of impersonating their voices. He's a good singer. But the thing that blew my mind was you have an R and B band doing funk pieces. Yes, not a single black guy in the whole band. None. They have five horn players, a keyboardist. Not a single black guy, not a single no. No. That was the whitest R and B band I've ever seen.

1:28:54 In my life. But they throw down. Oh they're they're fine, they're good, but like it's just I couldn't it was. It was blowing my mind because otherwise the scene is fine, they're just like another day. Oh yeah, you have a dance. But then you have Frankie who just completely tears the place up because she's leaping from table to table, going up on the bar. And people are all The other thing is people are all shocked. Is like this person's alive, like because everybody else is just kind of eh, and she's just going berserve. I think my favorite comment was this is the whitest scene of the whole movie. And shockingly it still is even though this this movie is pretty well, yeah it's pretty, it's a pretty damn yeah. So she tears up the room and again her and Morgan are kind of swooning for each other. But then we cut back to Nick and Nick and his gang there by the car, but we also find out that Frankie's dad owns a liquor store, works at a liquor store.

1:29:42 He owns it. Yeah, their apartment is above it, and Nick is confronting her because she's been out with Morgan and he's pissed and long story short, you know, she basically tells him, you know, don't be so rough with me, like you know, I I say, when we're when we're gonna have sex, because that's a really skivy line that's run in there. Yeah, and the movie has no sense of a balance of tone. Yeah, it gets really heavy, really fast. Yeah, and it's it's it's whip. It gives you whiplash, but not in a way that I feel is good. Yeah, it more makes it absurd when it gets so serious. Well, because I mean you have Nick basically go down on Frankie in the most uncomfortable scene possible. Yeah, it wasn't great, No, it was not. But then we immediately cut to a locker room. Yeah, let the good times a roll.

1:30:24 Yeah, that's a good time. So Morgan's in the locker room, he's getting dressed after class. The radio's playing and there's the guys around him, and he asked somebody to turn up the radio. But then we start to see that locks are being taken off of lockers. We see keys being rolled up into towels, and then the locker room slowly disperses. Yeah, and then and then they start beating the hell out of him. Yeah, but two of the guys have no shirts on, even though they weren't even in gym class or whatever. Yeah, very strange, very brutal scene. It is, because they wail on him and Nick even tells me, you know, don't mess with my girl, like this is your one warning, and even knocks him out with like a hit to the face. But I mean they whip him for like a solid like forty second. It rips his back to pieces. So that is when we see that Morgan's father is at home and he's with his mother, who returns with some perrier.

1:31:09 Of course that was the other p Yeah, she's like she's undoing the she's like unloading the groceries. Yeah, there's just a huge pack of Perryer. And I was like, yeah, they're they're slum and they're struggling, Yeah, trying to His dad's at the table looking at his real estate license book. And that's when we hear Morgan come in and he doesn't say anything to his parents, go straight upstairs. His dad goes up to see him and he sees all the welts on him and he's like, you know, I can handle it. It's not anything major, you know. And that's when his dad has one of my favorite lines, which is, son, life is not a problem to be solved, it's a mystery to be lived. I actually think that's like, it's a solid line. It's a pretty poetic line, especially for Tough Turf. Yeah, for Tough Turf, it is definitely poetic. So that's when Morgan basically decides that he is going to go after Frankie again because Frankie is sitting at home and she's kind of like sitting in front of her mirror, like doing a whole fabulous because that's what Morgan said at the club was to say fabulous. And all of a sudden, the radio starts playing. She goes out to her window and Morgan's sitting out there with his radio.

1:32:05 Do want to say anything to her? Before say anything? It even come out. It wasn't holding the radio, it was yeah, And she's like please stop. Yeah, and they've referenced that her boyfriend's on the way, yeah, and uh yeah it's And. He basically begs her for one chance. He's like, you know, hey, come have dinner with me and my family tomorrow. And she's like okay, I will, And just as that happens, she gets it gets him out of the door because he's like, oh, I'll go answer the door, like go and see me. Because her boyfriend's not here, he's like and he's like, do you want me to answer? Yeah, which is really fun. So he climbs out the window and she basically finds out that Nick has asked her father for her hand in marriage without asking her well, and her dad said yes. Well yeah, I mean it is a traditional thing to ask permission. Yeah, but yeah, they just come in.

1:32:45 He's got champagne, which she takes a swing out of the bottle after being like, how do you open this? Oh my gosh, and the dad's just thrilled. Yeah, he's just thrilled to pieces yes. So that is when the next day Morgan is at school, Jimmy comes up to and he's like, you know, hey, man, I fix up this bike. It's yours. It gives it to him as a gift for a consolation and he's like consolation for what and he's like, oh, you're so funny. He finds out that they're engaged. Yeah, he did not know, his buddy assumed because everybody seemed to know. Yeah, he assumed that he knew too, So. That's when he rides off on the bike through the quad, getting the security guard's attention. Again, finds Frankie and confronts her and he's just like, you know, you don't want to do this, like you know, what are you doing? And she's just like, don't worry, I'll still have dinner with your family tonight, which she does. Wow, so.

1:33:30 You deserve because you mentioned it right before it started. Yeah, they're eating like green beans and salad and what looks like chicken nuggets and go on, No, yeah, you play the fully. Work on this chicken nuggets meal is some of the crunchiest chicken nuggets I have ever heard in my life. Every time somebody takes a bite is like the best kettle chip you've ever had in sound. Yes, And all I could think is I looked at their table where they had wineglasses and a nice salad and these green beans. Was look. I get that they're trying to save money, but you know, buying frozen chicken nuggets is not much cheaper than like cooking two chicken breasts. And it doesn't seem like they don't know how to cook. Yes, they like made all the other food. So it's really bizarre.

1:34:17 So the dinner's going well. Morgan' dressed up, his parents are dressed up. They're having conversation, and that's when his mother brings up to Frankie about going to see one of the local gardens there that has really nice roses. And he's like, you know, well, Frankie doesn't really do that thing, and she's like, oh, well, if you haven't been before, you know, we can we can all go. You can bring your mother. Well, she likes flowers, doesn't she. I mean, she's not wrong, she's not wrong. I mean people, I'm sure people bring her flowers. I'm sure people do bring her flower So naturally, Frankie gets upset and try Morgan tries to smooth it over, but she leaves. While this has happened, though, Nick and his cronies have stuck up and seen her at dinner with his family. Yeah, so Morgan goes to leave, and that's when his dad is trying to catch him and he's like, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna go figure this out. Morgan goes walking off. We see taking his cronies in the car and they're just like, we're gonna get him now, and he's like, no, first, let's go catch up with my girlfriend. So Frankie's walking across the street.

1:35:06 They pull up beside her and he's like, you know, hey, you know, get in the car. We're gonna go have some fun. She gets in, they share a drink, they're riding out, and then they end up riding through the night because Nick is looking for something specifically. Yeah, So eventually Nick finds what he's looking for. The sun is coming up at this point, it's late, and he's like, you know, hey, Frankie, we're almost out of gas. Take my watch. Go hawk it to that cat driver so we'll give you some dough and then we'll, you know, we'll get everything else take care of. Is that a thing, Yeah, apparently. So she goes to take the watch at first, and she's like, we know, I bought you this watch, and he's like yeah, but you know, I wouldn't ask you to you if I didn't have any money. So she gets out immediately sees that the cab driver is mister Hiller. Yeah, and Morgan. Uses and he's like, tell me the real reason. It's not because the watch. She goes over and tries to warn it right out him. They start trying to beat the crap out of him, but the old guy is beating the shit out of that. Yes, he is a great scene. He's nearing him in the crotch and slamming their heads into the car. But eventually the big bad boyfriend Yeah.

1:36:02 Nicko gets pushed and pulls a gun and shoots Morgan's father twice in the chest and it is abrupt. Yeah. No, it really feels weird. It's when the movie really steps up to where it's just like, oh shit, except then it goes back to its normal tone until basically the end. Till to the end. Yeah, because Morgan then goes to visit his father at the hospital. The nurses like, you know, he'll be okay, he's strong. Frankie and him cross past the hospital. They end up going back to her play or to his house. He tends her wounds and also they end up having sex. The next morning, she goes to visit his uh, her father and tells him that she doesn't want to marry nick nick comes out of nowhere in the freaking liquor store, charges her father, throws him around, throws Frankie around, loses his fucking temper, basically has Frankie call to Morgan to meet at the warehouse in twenty minutes. So Morgan gets the call, he goes to his drawer, gets his pellet guns or dark guns. Yeah, gets stopped by his brother because his brother is like, you know, hey, you know dad's doing okay. He asked about you, but I want you to tell me what's going on, and Morgan basically tells his brother, I'm handling it.

1:37:03 Yeah. So we cut to the climax of tough Turf. Yeah. And guys, if you think that it sounds like abrupt the way we're describing it, we're describing it accurately, accurately. So now all of a sudden, it's it's like two dickcare Shy of the class of nineteen eighty four. When he walks in, like I told you, it looks like the final stage of a video game boss because all his buddies are around him. He's got Frankie out in the middle and he's holding the gun, just waiting on him. Morgan sneaks into the second floor, he knocks out one of the guys, drops a sign on two of the guys swings in like Errol Flynn kicks Nick. They get into a huge brawl. Yeah, it's it's ridiculous, it's. Insane, and I mean when I say a huge brawl like Their fight goes for at least five minutes, ending with him grabbing a two by four with nails in it.

1:37:45 Then Morgan gets a fire axe starts chasing Nick up the steps. Yes, kicks the fire axe out of his hand. They get into a tussle. He knocks out, He knocks out Nick and like he's bloody, he's looking like ravage at this point. He looks at it, Frankie. Frankie's okay. Nick sneaks up, He knox Nick off the balcony, who plumb its second floor down, lands on a sign, looks at Frankie. End of the movie, so we think, except we. Cut back to the club and Jack back in The Heart Attack is playing, and everybody, basically everybody except his dad and the boys. Yeah the movies, because they're all effectively dead. Yeah, they all are just hanging out having a good time listening to Jack mcad. Jack mack and theheart Hey is that the same girl from last time? Everybody move out of the way yea the credits play, and that is nineteen eighty five's tough to.

1:38:33 And no one that got hurt or no one that mattered got hurt, And my god, so I I they tried to make the villain, they tried to make him worth getting killed. Oh yeah, but they didn't do. A very good job. No, they could have. They could really, What what the movie was missing was just a few scenes of them just doing some crime. Yeah, like because they opened with them seeming like they do crime crime ye, but then all of a sudden they're not. Like they could add one scene where like they mug a guy and like think they killed him and they leave him there so that you know he's capable of murder. Yeah, that could have. But but the movie really feels like like maybe two movies, maybe even three, yeah, that are just kind of stitched together. So it really is jarring.

1:39:18 And the violence is not jarring in a way that makes you appreciate how violent it is. The violence is jarring as you're like, wait, what did I miss something that makes this make sense? I mean, I forgot to also mention that Jimmy shows up at the final fight with two dogs that attack the two gang members and he also gets shot in the leg. It's freaking out of its mind and he shows up at the club club with the cast on his leg. So I can see why people love it. Yeah, because it is really wacky and fun. It is, it's silly. The thing that threw me was just that the seriousness was definitely all over the place. There was, like I said, it didn't feel like there was much cohesion. Yeah, that was the big problem, But that doesn't mean it wasn't like a wacky rock The nostalgia was really fun. But yeah, and honestly, how out of touch it is. It is so like it's funny because New World's an indie company sort of, but like it really felt like a bunch of old white guys got together and said, Okay, we're making this. You know, because at least Golden and Globus over at Canon when they were making break In, at least they could admit they were like, we know nothing about this, we throw money at it. We are from Israel, you know. So that's why break In works so well is because they just kind of went fine fine until two because two was where they meddled.

1:40:35 They meddled a bit, so yeah, so no budget given unfortunately, shocker. If I had to guess, i'd say about four four to six. I was like six to seven. Yeah, maybe that's a little it feels a little high for that movie, but yeah. Yeah. Opening weekend US Canada which is January thirteenth, nineteen eighty five, one million, five hundred and nine dollars taken in not a terrible opening, grossing worldwide nine million, three hundred and sixty nine thousand dollars. I'm sure it wasn't their biggest washing. They might have even made a little bit on that, that's possible. Yeah. Reportedly, the movie was written in three weeks, with and filming completed in four weeks. According to an article published in the eleventh January nineteen eighty five issue of the Los Angeles Times newspaper, the period of principal photography on this picture was a production shoot that ran for about a month in nineteen eighty four, between early mid July and early mid August. Hum opening titles done after principal photography was done, dark noirsh environment and had Santa Monica stolen shots. Basically, so they were riding around Santa Monica and they were stopped by the police twice. Of course, they did it with no no lights, only the cameras, so they was all natural light that they filmed that opening with.

1:41:39 Of course. Yeah, I believe that opening sequence was influenced by Once Upon a Time in the West, a calm situation growing out of control. Okay, yeah, I could see that editor. Mark Grossman had worked with the director previously on commercials and was pulled into the project due to their work history. Oh m okay. First theatrical feature film in top build role for James Spader. Downey originally audition for the role of Morgan, but it was said that one look at the smile made it clear that he was perfect as the best friend. Well, real quick, I want to mention yea, because I mentioned I think Breacin is the perfect example of what happens when like there's a slick Hollywood movie but it actually has a little bit more bite. Yeah. Breacin one point two million dollar budget, made thirty eight point seven million dollars for the box office. It was a huge. Yeah, it was, so I just wanted to like, that's kind of the difference. But Breacin is loved for very different reasons than Tough Turf is tough. Turf is love for how wacky, disjointed and often bizarre it is. I is.

1:42:34 I think that has value. Due to the staging of the Los Angeles Summer Olympics during mid nineteen eighty four, the filmmakers had to relocate its filming locations. As such, the production moved to other sites in La in California, which included Resita and San Fernando Valley. Robert Downey Junior became good friends with James Spader and even named his cat Jimmy in honor of him. They would appear together again in Less Than Zero in nineteen eighty seven and Avengers Age of Ultron in twenty fifteen. Oh yeah, where they were. Yeah they were both. They're both really getting those big fat paychecks. Yeah. I always forget Spader was ultrott. Yeah, yes he was. James Spader's merely lip syncing during the piano scene. The song We Walked the Night is performed by Paul Karney, one of the sons of actor Art Carney. The band in the movie The Jim Carroll Band.

1:43:15 Front man Jim Carroll wrote the Basketball Diaries nineteen seventy eight that detailed his teenage drug Years and was later made into the movie of the same name with DiCaprio. The band also has a song on the soundtrack of Tough Turf which was People Who Died, which is only available on that. Soundtrack, and then it got used in the suicide squat So clearly, mister James Gun, big Fan and Tough Turf. He must be Nick and his gang. Stealing the car and joy riding down the street was an homage to Clockwork Orange. I believe that. Yeah. The original ending in the script had Morgan and Jimmy taking the SATs and Morgan talking Frankie into taking them too, after she quips she isn't smart enough. That would have made the movie even more bizarre if they had like land they had then stuck the landing of like and now We're all going to college. Yeah.

1:43:57 A body double was used for the nude scene with Kim Richards, who was playing the Frankie Croyden character. The scene with the bike, A certain type of blocking was used to make the viewer feel as disoriented as Morgan is all that's taking place within the scene. Okay, I can see that. Due to scheduled demolition, the scene had to be shot out in one day as they were going to lose the location site. I believe that too. By the color transitions were used to signify the ending of story points, because remember, there's a faded red, a fade to white. Yeah, there is all jokes. The country club were done as pickup shots on a set built weeks later from the interior of the club. Oh, okay, great scenes. The director does not like the scene with Spader at the piano because he feels it came off too serious and takes impact out of the following scene where Frankie opens up about her mother.

1:44:43 Too serious, I mean fair enough. Yeah, daylight is apparent and night scenes with Nick driving. The director commented that it was due to the fact that you it was a light you couldn't change. It was just daylight back then. This is also due to the fact that most night shoots of the film would start at night and go until sunrise. Yeah, I mean that happens. Col and camera stops really led to the impact of Morgan's father getting shot. The director and the editor worked for that on a week In editing. Okay, I believe that too. There are a lot of really interesting kinetic edits, especially to the soundtrack. Oh yeah, yeah. Spader pulled his intensity for the hospital scene from uh for JD's portray and Rebel without a Cause that was basically his inspiration was the scene. I guess his father dies in that movie. I haven't seen Rebel without a Cause in forever.

1:45:23 Oh yeah yeah. The final fight sequence was the most choreographed action sequence of the entire film, and finally the movie ran out of money for the story art conclusion with its characters, the director decided to end the film with a return to Jack Mack in the heart attack. With the budget remaining well. I guess Jack Mack was willing to work at a discount. Yeah, So, what are your final thoughts on nineteen eighty five's Tough Turf. I would have to say, Wow, it's a nutsoyed movie. Yeah, really fun. I would give it a stream at okay, but with a lot of love. And if you're if you love just the weirdo nine eighties yeah era, then it's a rented because that is such a strange, it's such an odd ball, really fun. Spader's great even though no matter how young he has, he has a forty eight year old's face. It's expression, not not anything else, But I liked it. It was cool to see a lot of young of those actors being young. A lot of the side characters were people who became very big character actors in other films, So it was a lot of fun. But the whole concept that this is the Tough Turf is the part that just makes the movie feel kind of like a fever dream. Sometimes it does.

1:46:34 Yeah, it's a stream it for me as well. This is definitely a acquired taste movie. It is. It is, like I said, what is probably going to be a cult classic. It's one movie that you really have to see if you're curious about the infamy of Tough Turf. But it's not a must watch. This is definitely for a select crowd. I like that you rate it as a stream it when you own it on Blue Red. God damn right, I do say, And I own the soundtrack on vinyl and casset. Of course you do, goddamn right, So. Real quick, yes, sir, you want to check in with old Roger Ebert? I would love to check in with see see what mister Ebert has has to say about this film. I bet it's not nice. Oh well, we'll find out. I mean, you know, Ebert's from Chicago and they're known for some tough turf, so maybe maybe he'll know something.

1:47:18 Let's find out. Tough Turf is a real confused movie part of the time. I guess it wants to be rebel without a cause, with James Spader being so agonized and so hung up that he can hardly even bother to be able to say anything, which is just as well because the dialogue is so bad time. It's like a beach party movie. Everybody's gonna go down and to the old country close. And this was before the movie wants to be the warriors with lots of chains and guns and knife and bloodshed. And the amazing thing is none of this stuff works. This is bad. It doesn't even know how to spell tough right. Half a song, I'm Roger Ebert. Damn Ebert. Alright, then Ebert, you you are a goat.

1:47:59 That's fair. That was quite you know what, at least that was thought out. Yeah, it didn't have a take that made no sense. Yeah, he did call it the worst teen exploitation film of that year of that year. Well that's quite the quite the praise. So we always like to end the show with a couple recommendations. I have two this week, starting with another return to Spader, which is one I cannot recommend enough. Nineteen eighty five's The New Kids, which is currently available on two B and Prime. Talk about a wild ride fucking insane. Yeah. Newly orphaned siblings Abby and Lauren McWilliams arrive in small Florida town to help their aunt Fay and uncle Charlie run a family own amusement park. They soon find out the town is terrorized by a local street gang who is led by James Spader in that movie. Yeah, is a crazy, crazy film. I can't recommend enough. Yeah, and uh yeah, that movie is just out of its mind.

1:48:45 It is out of its mind. And my other recommendation, which I think is one I've recommended before, but perfect phil for this one. Nineteen eighty four Savage Streets starring Linda Blair Brenda, vivacious leader of the Satins, a fun loving group of pretty high school girls, searches for deadly vengeance against the gang members who was so her deaf mute sister. This one is I wouldn't say so much of a fun movie. It's got some very rough moments to it, which I think I've said before. Yeah, I would have to agree. Also, it's not very easy to find. You can get a Blu Ray if you're lucky, but as far as streaming goes, I will say that there is a popular video hosting site that does have it up its entirety right now. That's the best place you're gonna find it right now. So what'd you pick? When I was thinking about what to pick, I was torn because initially I was thinking, what are some films that remind me of this?

1:49:29 Yeah, and that would be some. Ridiculous shit like Malibu High that I love but that's out of its mind, yes, or Massacre at Central High anothery're out of its mind but really fun. But then I started thinking not just about movies, but about my roots and the fact that I grew up in a pretty tough turf. Yeah, and I started thinking, you know what I would teem this movie with to just to give a proper palette cleanser, to give some real understanding. Oh tell me of that kind of world. You're gonna be surprised. But nineteen eighty eights stand and deliver shit. Yeah, Yeah, Ramon Mendez is in my opinion. Masterpiece starring Edward James Almost and lou Diamond Phillips. Yes, the story Ofjme Escalante, a high school teacher who successfully inspired his dropout prone students to learn calculus.

1:50:21 Wait to cover that on the show. It's one of my favorite films. I love it. I haven't revisited in forever, but I remember the impact it had on me. I grew up with a lot of kids. I mean, I ended up being a dropout, but not for the reasons. A lot of my eighth grade teacher showed that movie to us in school. That's how I saw it. Oh, it's a good movie to watch in school. It's fantastic. It's a great film. So that's my recommendation, stand and deliver, which I don't think you can, really you can. It's just for rent on Amazon Alage. You just got a blue ray release from Warner Archive. I saw it because I want to get it at some point. Yeah, definitely worth it. So do we have any emails this week? Oh? My goodness, we do? Oh we do. We actually got some this afternoon. Oh baby, both of them. Well it's two emails. It's a two part email, so but it's from our buddy, wolf Dan the first one.

1:51:07 The subject line is just Twilight slash Kristin Stewart, he says, Enrique, if you're serious about getting Twilight for David's birthday, Walmart has the five movie collection for pretty cheap. I have all of them in my voodoo and Kristen makes a damn hot vampire. He is very in love with Kristin stewart'm aw as for on the road. Anyone who is waiting for Kristin Stewart to be nude in a movie will not be disappointed, And then continued in this next email, I would probably be considered a twyhard Lol. I turned my wife onto the series when I saw a Twilight poster with Kristin Stewart. I've always been a fan of hers. By the way, if I didn't mention it in the previous email, if you get Dave the collection, I'll request you guys cover it laughing crying.

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1:52:33 Yes. If you're watching us on or listening to us on the podcast feed, make sure to leave a five star rating. It really does help the show out. Tell a friend, subscribe, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The turf, my friends, just is not that tough. So, speaking of tough turf, as we close out February, would you like to know what we are doing for our March theme and what our first movie is going? Yes, because I'm actually I think this is going to be really interesting because most people probably don't know these movies. They probably at all. So if if you were a fan of Hulu during the Dark Times. Was it was it covid? It was pre covid pre COVID. Okay, there was a Blumhouse series that was uh, I want to say it was released twenty nineteen. Yeah, I think you're right.

1:53:15 Yeah, I think I think it ended during COVID. Yeah, twenty eighteen was the first dropt because it was Halloween. And then Yeah, so twenty eighteen they started a series called Into the Dark, and this was a two season series that basically focused on little short films that revolved throughout the. They were feature like feature there were eighty one to ninety three minutes. Yeah, but it was an anthology of feature films made by Blumhouse. Yeah, and all horror based around the holidays. We are going to be marching into the Dark for March and kicking it off with twenty nineteen's Down, which is two co workers find themselves stranded in an elevator over Valentine's Day weekend, and it's a really, really good one. There were some that weren't awesome. Yeah, there were some that were just kind of fun. There were very in might opinion, only a few that really were dogs. Yeah, and but there were several that were really great. So we're gonna dive into our favorite episodes as into the Dark.

1:54:04 We're gonna talk all about them. All of them available on Hulu still. Yeah, and we'll even talk about some of our honorable mentions as film. It'll be a lot of fun. So make sure you're subscribed on your favorite podcasting app or on YouTube, because we'll be back here and we'll be talking all about them. Yes, it's gonna be a great time, all right. So I guess all that's left to be said is we will indeed see you next Tuesday, assuming the turf is not so tough exactly, and those streets are not so savage, and all nine of those funk musicians are white guys. See guy