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Feb. 25, 2025

Tuff Turf (1985) A Cult Classic Breakdown!

Tuff Turf (1985) A Cult Classic Breakdown!
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Henrique and David answer a listener request with Tuff Turf (1985), New World Pictures’ unruly collision of teen romance, street-gang thriller, music movie and exploitation melodrama. James Spader stars as Morgan Hiller, a rebellious Connecticut transplant whose family has lost its money and moved to Los Angeles. His first bicycle ride through the neon streets disrupts gang leader Nick’s mugging scheme, catches Frankie’s attention and starts a feud that moves from school harassment to startling violence.
Kim Richards gives Frankie restless energy and a desire to imagine a future beyond Nick, while Paul Mones makes the gang leader volatile enough to upset the movie’s playful surface. Robert Downey Jr. supplies comic momentum as Morgan’s new friend Jimmy. The hosts delight in a cast and script capable of moving from dart guns and bicycle stunts to romantic vulnerability, brutal locker-room retaliation, a country-club con and a climactic warehouse brawl without ever settling on one genre.
David explains how Mill Creek’s Eighties Guilty Pleasures DVD set introduced him to Tuff Turf alongside titles including Angel, Girls Just Want to Have Fun and Reform School Girls. Henrique’s first viewing produces fascinated disbelief at the tonal whiplash, musical detours and heightened version of Los Angeles youth culture. Their favorite oddities include the impossibly crunchy chicken-nugget dinner, Frankie dancing across tables and Spader’s earnest piano performance before a film that soon pivots back toward gunfire and revenge.
Production talk covers Fritz Kiersch moving directly from Children of the Corn, a screenplay credited to three writers, a roughly four-week shoot and locations affected by the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics. The hosts discuss Robert Downey Jr. auditioning for Morgan before being cast as Jimmy, James Spader’s first top-billed theatrical role, stolen opening-title shots around Santa Monica and the Jim Carroll Band’s appearance. They also note how the final fight’s location faced imminent demolition.
The movie’s disjointed tone becomes the central attraction and limitation: serious abuse, economic anxiety and gang violence repeatedly collide with broad comedy and concert-film exuberance. Even while questioning whether every shift works, Henrique and David understand why its excess inspires cult devotion. Both give Tuff Turf a stream-it rating, recommending this unmistakably 1980s artifact to its select cult audience for Spader, Richards, Downey, Jack Mack and the Heart Attack, neon streets and gloriously strange choices.
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He's new in town and nothing belongs to him.

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Not the music, where's he from? Not the school? Whoa?

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Not the girl?

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You don't understand?

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I would catch you near Frankie again. I think you

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are so fast.

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To get what he wants.

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Morgan Hill is gonna get this time apart tough turk Rita.

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In a world where podcasts reign supreme. Two Friends Dare

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to Ask?

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Do You Even?

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Movie, hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie officionado David Denyer.

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Spoiler alert. I know that it's a struggle with all

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the new four k's you want.

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There's just there is a lot of sales going on lately,

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and it's one of those situations where there's movies that

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I absolutely love that I want four Day, and then

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there's some where it's like, well, it would be nice

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to have X, not X the movie in four Day.

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I mean, I don't be wrong. I would like X

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in boor Day, But oh well, yeah, what's wrong with X?

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Not?

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What do you want? Why don't you want X to

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be in four K?

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I don't know, It's not nothing wrong with I've seen

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X once in theaters and I've watched it once again.

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I mean, as we were talking when we left the

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movies a little bit ago, Pearl is absolutely the the

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best one of the series.

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Oh yeah so.

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But at the same time, I mean, I just since

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I got your four K TV, I've been expanding into

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my four k's a little bit more.

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Imagine. I know, it's crazy because you could watch them.

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Because I can watch them now because literally, our good

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friend Rob had gotten me The Crow in four K

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because I had gotten it when I didn't have a

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four K TV yet, So that was one that was

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just sitting on the shelf. And then when I realized

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I could watch that along with everything else I bought recently,

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because a lot of the Vincent titles just are four K.

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Now well, and you had a four K title or

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a TV that died not too long ago.

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Right as I was getting ready to watch Silent Night,

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Bloody Night at a time or Silent Night Deadly Knight

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at a time, I needed to and it was sadness

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a medicinal.

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Yes, that's fair, healthy too, extremely healthy and just a

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little catholic, just a little bit, just catholic enough as.

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A treat, not as Catholic as Terrifier three, though, But

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that's a whole nother conversation.

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Well, I mean, they're two of my favorite Christmas you know.

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But then again, is it any shock that the best

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Christmas horror movies are going to be a bit Catholic?

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The best Christmases are Catholic. I mean, if you want

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to go by just sheer, opulence and ritual and singing,

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and they really have it. They have it locked down.

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Speaking of Terrifier three, there's a novelization coming out of

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that now soon as well. Part three. Part three is

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getting a novelization by Tim Wagner, the same guy that

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did Halloween Kills and Ends novelization or yeah, I think yeah,

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I think he did the two or he did the

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first one, I can't remember which. And then he also

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did the Terrified two novelization, oh, which is on my

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list for this year because I actually did pick it

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up recently.

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Nice. That sounds good.

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I'm genuinely curious how much more detail is going to

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be inside of that book. It is four hundred pages,

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mind you.

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Four hundred pages.

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Terrifire two novelization is like that thick.

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I mean, I get it, you know, I get it,

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I mean, I I'm a sucker for novelizations. I mean

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we've been We've been over this on the show before,

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because like I've been reading Armando Minas's novelizations for Stop

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the Killer, which included Black Christmas recently I finished on

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a deadly night during Christmas, and then the first one

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I read was My Bloody Valentine. And now I believe

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the next one he has coming out because he's already

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at least basket Case and Happy Birthday to me, and

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I think there's another one coming out, and now I

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cannot remember for the Oh, I'm Madmen. I think he's

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doing mad Men.

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Nice. Yeah, No, I mean I love the idea of this,

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this brave new world of novelizations. Yeah. I just wish

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they would do it the way it used to be

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and hand them the first draft of the screenplay and

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be like, don't you base it on the movie? You

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base it on this script that never got filmed because

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we didn't have the money.

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That's my rebocop two novelizations based off of Frank Miller's

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original screenplay. So I haven't had a chance to read

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it yet, except I will say one of my biggest

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pet Pee's about the RoboCop novelization so far? Is the

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line your move creep not in the book?

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What?

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Yeah, that was an improvise.

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That must have been just a piece of glorious improvisation. Yeah,

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well I'm proud. So there he goes.

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And also he does not shoot the guy and the

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dick in the book. He shoots him right through the head.

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All right, well that's sacrilegious.

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Upset, how are you gonna have a rebo coop novelization

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and not have a guy get you shot in the dick?

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We truly are in the darkest timeline.

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In the darkest timelines.

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Indeed, so speaking of a dark timeline, we just got

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back from seeing The Monk. We did and you hated it.

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I did not. I did not. That that's an understating.

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I like to set you up and then not get down.

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I mean, I was already amps for the movie because

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I'm a I'm a slut when it comes to Stephen

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King adaptations, Yeah, you're it comes to Stevie King adaptations,

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I'm a slut. The good, the bad, the ugly, I

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will watch them all. I still have not seen the

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New Salem's Lot, but I've had a lot of people

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tell me it's a good and tell me it's bad.

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So I'm curious to get to that one. But his

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short stories make some of the most interesting films by

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far in my opinion, because Maximum Overdrive is based off

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Trucks is a short story, Joe of the Corn short story, right,

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You've got the Raft, which is the creep Show two story.

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I mean there's there. I could go on and on,

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but like his major films like Don't Get Wrong, I

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love it, I love The Stand for what It's Worth.

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I love Langliers.

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But oh well that's fine.

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Yeah.

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I mean there's a lot of Stephen King adaptations that

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are not very good, and they're so good they're so

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fun to.

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One one of the ones that is kind of getting

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it to do because it was one that I got

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late to in the game app pupil with oh man,

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what is that guy's name?

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Steve?

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Not Steve. Shut up. I was just trying to gin

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up bug me.

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Now hang on, it is everybody else?

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Sorry, it is a brad Renfro and Ian McKellen, where

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Renfro discovers that Ian McKellen used to be in the

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SS and he's his neighbor. And he basically blackmails him

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into like telling him all about it.

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Oh wow, dude, it's fucked up. Yeah, I mean, is

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there is there a child gang bang? Or is it

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not as good as it?

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There is not?

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There's not that the okay fair?

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But David Swimmer also appears in an app pupil Oh, yeah,

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I do like me some David Swimmer. Yeah from what

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year was that? It's a nineteen ninety.

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Eight okay, Yeah, so that was kind of a like

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a blackout period. There were there were a lot of

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king things, but they're not really in the nostalgia space.

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for a little bit directed by Brian Singer.

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Well, you gotta hate on Singer? Did you stop? We

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would have no trick or Treat Trick or Treat if

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it weren't for Singer for real? He was the producer.

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Oh he was. Yeah. A lot of people have theorized

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that that's why the movie sat on the shelf for

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like four years for failings with a Man of Steel?

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Was it that? And also the allegations that came out.

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I don't remember that.

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his X men movies.

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I want to say, oh, really, yeah, I don't recall

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that at all.

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But no, Stephen King, short stories make really fun films,

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and The Monkey is no exception.

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I think that's the biggest thing is King short story

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adaptations make incredible movies. Yeah, novels, your mileage will vary

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a lot, a lot.

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I mean even The myst is a short story technically yeah,

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really good. Yeah, And I think the myst is I mean,

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everybody knows the miss by this point, but like that

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movie has aged beautifully.

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but no, so the Monkey, Yes, I really enjoyed it.

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I'm curious what people who were really into Long Legs Yeah,

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are going to think because it was nothing like Long Legs.

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a very different film all its own. It was not

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this trudging, artsy scare fest. It was not that at all.

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difference in advertising for both films because they are different.

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So I think the fact that the Long Legs trailer, like,

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thinking back on it, really kind of set up that

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movie for what it was going to be like in

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my opinion, Sure, sure, whereas the monkey has not been

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shy at all about how bat shit this movie's gonna be.

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But but trailers can only get across so much to

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anybody anyway. So yeah, that's that's really my only My

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only point is it it was a bit wacky. It

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was very wacky, and I was mentioning in the theater,

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like I would call it a horror comedy, but it's

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it's mindset is not really horror comedy. Its mindset is

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more like a full blown dark comedy. Yeah, because every

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moment of violence, every bloody death, everything is is so

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ridiculous you can't take it seriously at all, Which is

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good though, because then you don't end up in that

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space I often end up with with most horror comedies

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where I'm like, that wasn't funny that guy like died? Yeah,

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like I feel bad that that guy.

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the problem with horror comedy is, I think that we

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both agree on is that sometimes when you lean too

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much into the comedy, it takes away the characterization of

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your of the people, Like so when their deaths happened

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and they're supposed to be Oh, that's good zany. It's

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just like, well that shit like that. I liked that

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character and like that wasn't cool.

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you really can have people's deaths be comedic moments, because

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I mean, a woman get shot with a shotgun and

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is basically obliterating literat like there's there's barely anything left

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of her but little tiny pieces and it's just a

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regular shotgun or let alone.

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I don't want to spoil the pool, but like those

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its own rules and I'm okay with that. So I

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had a great time with it, and I actually thought

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the ending really stuck, the landing of being heartfelt and sincere. Yeah.

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No, I The one thing that I will say about

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the Monkey is it is a barrel of morbid.

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Laughs, funnier than a barrel full of dead people. I mean, yeah, okay,

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I mean that's the saying. I'm pretty sure for.

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Those who aren't aware, though, real quick synopsis. When two

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brothers Bill and How find their father's old monkey and

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the toy Toy in the Attic, a series of gruesome

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deaths starts.

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Don't call it a toy.

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The siblings decide to throw the toy away and move

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on with their lives growing apart over the years.

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That's I mean, that's he's basic. Yeah, I mean it's

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there's a there's a lot that gets it to there.

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Though.

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Yeah.

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With a shout out though to THEO James, the main

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perform the main actor in the film, Uh stole the

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stole the movie. I mean not stole the movie, but

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like he you commented on his voice being really good

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for one, but like.

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Like obscenely good, like every like it took about because

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it opens with him narrating everything, and it took me

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a while to get over how like incredible his narrator

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voice was. Yeah, because it was so deep. It was

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almost like I couldn't believe it. Yeah, and I but

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I loved it. But it was like, yeah, I was

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almost having trouble believing that that was his voice coming

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out of his head.

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But no, he is phenomenal in it and plays his

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brother as well as him in it, and it's just

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he you the two performances are are fantastic.

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Yeah, No, I really really enjoyed it. I I I

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have no complaints. No, uh, snarky thoughts. I I just

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thought it was a a lot of fun. I think.

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I hope it does as well as as Long Legs.

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I hope it's a huge success because Osgood Perkins already

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has another film slated for October.

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Which you need to stay in the theater to see

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a preview of at a.

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Little steak preview of it was called Kept Keeper, Keeper Keeper.

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That's right, and it looks looks great. It's got Tantiana

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Monslani again, who was a supporting role in The Monkey,

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but she appears to be the main lead in this one.

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I've always been a big fan of hers since since

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Ginger Snapped two Unleashed, which was I thought great. Yeah,

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so I've been a big fan for quite a while.

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No, it's absolutely It's gonna be a good time. And

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The Monkey is currently playing in your theater, so make

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sure you go check it out. Why you can.

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How do you know that it's playing in their theaters? Oh?

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I know? Oh? Oh wow?

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Okay, Speaking speaking of knowing, I also know that we

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watched another great movie over the weekend, which was twenty

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twenty five's The Gorge.

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Yes, we did watch the Gorge, which.

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Is Scott Derekson who brought us Sinister and another big

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one of his that I'm blanking on right Black Black Phone.

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Yeah, Yeah, which I freaking love The Black Phone.

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Starring Miles Teller and Annie Taylor Joy and Sigourney Weaver.

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This movie is just a blast for sci fi fans

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for one.

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Yeah, I mean it's it's I would call it light

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sci fi. I mean, it is definitely science fiction, but

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it's kind of a light sci fi. It's it's very

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much like a very accessible thriller. Yeah. It has all

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the elements of big action moments and and wild weapons

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and and and the crazy highly trained, highly skilled weapon experts.

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Two great leads too.

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Yeah.

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I mean their chemistry in the movie was fantastic.

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It was, And I was worried it would feel forced,

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only because the concept of their romance. I was worried

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would feel forced on its own, because it's like, there

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are these two people on towers on the opposite side

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of this gorge, and then they start falling in love.

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But they did it in a really, really solid way.

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They had them basically not a big spoiler. They're both

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you know, military or post military. They're both kind of

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on shooters for hire.

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Yeah, could be on the way out, who knows well.

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And that's what they end up bonding over, Yeah, is

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the fact that they're both at the same point in

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their careers, which we find out is when they start

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considering you to guard the gorge. So yeah, basically they're

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guarding this giant hole in the ground. Never told what's

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in there.

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Given all the heavy artillery they could ask for.

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Told some really creepy stuff, just side notes about like

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oh those are the hollow.

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Flow the bunch Kevin Bacons.

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The best was that he gets there, he's not briefed

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at all. The guy he's relieving tells him everything. Yeah,

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so it's not even like who knows what the original

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instructions were. That's what I like is it's it's weirdly isolated,

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and he's basically told like, this side is the Western

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world side and that side is the Eastern world side,

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and we each put a new guard every year every

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year to keep an eye on this and make sure

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anything down there doesn't get out.

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But you cannot communicate with the tower across from you, right, never.

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Never, ever, and I'm sure no one ever had before.

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But it's super fun ye really exciting. They did a

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good job I felt like of revealing all the crazy,

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obscenely intricate the visual story.

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The visuals in it, from the creatures to the action

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to the overall finale is something that I just I

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was happy to It was one of those things I

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was happy to see it, but I was also like,

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damn it, this would have played so much better in theaters.

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But I'm still happy that we got it.

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The biggest spoiler I can give that I'm willing to

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give without hurting anybody's feelings. This is on Apple TV. Yeah,

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for people who don't know or forgot it. We said

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it on him. But is they do inevitably go into

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the gorge. I think that's obvious, but I'm bias, so

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it's a little spoiler. Yeah, but when they get down there,

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I am not kidding. There is no way that that

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director did not say, Look, I wanted to look like

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the end of Lucio Ful Cheese. The Beyond, Yeah, because

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it literally looks like the landscape they look on at

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at the end of The Beyond, like to the point

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where I mean, the first thought I had the moment

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I saw was oh, the Beyond.

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You're not wrong.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's my two cents, but

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I'm pretty sure I'm right.

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But yeah, it's The Gorge is probably one of the

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I mean it's early in the year, but it's probably

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one of the best sci fi I've seen so far.

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I mean, there's a lot more sci fi than you

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might realize because the big tent pole streaming movies tend

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to be science fiction because they do better overseas with

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with Asia China especially and stuff like that. So you

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see a lot of Netflix ones and you see a

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lot of Apple ones.

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That Vast of the Night. Is that the one that

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you saw the Drive in?

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Oh that was an Amazon Yeah, okay, that was that

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was science fiction but that was very stilted and simple.

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Yeah, no, it was.

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You saw it.

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I watched it.

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Oh my gosh. You know the part where it fades

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to black. You said, how was that the drive? And

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everybody was honking their horns. We thought that the picture

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had died. Yeah, it's very funny.

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But yeah, The Gorge is currently available on Apple TV

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or is an Apple Plus now I think it's still

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Apple Apple TV, But yeah, definitely recommend on that one.

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So The Monkey, The Gorge, those are the two that

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we've seen recently. Yeah, theighly recommended.

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Yeah, oh gosh, yeah, and I could not agree more

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super duper fun. Yeah and uh yeah. I also saw

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Heart Eyes and Companion on Valentine's Dad and Great on

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a second watch, like really great on a second watch.

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I also took my mother for a birthday to see

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Flight Rests a second watch. Did I tell you the

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thing I noticed that I've never noticed before. No, So

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it's gonna sound ridiculous, but the second time I'm watching it,

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you know, I'm a little less focused on where they

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want you to look, you know, because I know what's

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gonna happen. I know who's gonna jump out or whatever.

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Wohlburg's character has like a serious heart on what like

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in his pants? Yeah, like you know how he's like

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a psychopath. He's like a serious heart.

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Are you shitting me?

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Yeah, just fucking with you. It's fun.

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I will throw out one more recommendation because unfortunately I

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was sick the last couple of days, so I was

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in my bed watching a lot of movies and one

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that I came across that I've had on Blu Ray

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for a bit that has been on my shelf is

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Prince of the City, which is Sidney Lumet's corrept cop

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movie starring Treat Williams, one hour, one hundred and sixty

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eight minutes long, so it's a it's a while, it's

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an epic. It's like two hours and forty minutes, I

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want to say, and Treat Williams is playing a cop

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that basically gets brought in by this commission to go

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forward and record all these corupt cops and bust them,

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essentially because they realized that shit's going on in the

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precinct and whatnot. It's the same director as Serproco. I

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haven't seen Surpico, and I don't know how long it's

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probably been at least like fifteen years or so, but

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Prince of the City, I would say is almost better

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than Cerproco and having us having lost Treat Williams was

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last year.

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Yeah, I was last year.

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Last year. It was really great to see this formance

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of his because this is one that he has talked

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about a decent amount with a lot of people that

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are fans of him. But I'd never seen the movie.

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Warner Archive put the disc out like about four or

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five years ago. Cheap Blu Ray from what I understand too,

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because I think I got it for like eleven bucks. Nice,

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but I mean you're talking names like Treat Williams, Jerry Orbach.

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You've got Lance Hendrickson at one point. You've got Lane

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North from my cousin Venni. Yeah, playing a guy named

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Tug who is like this protector of him. He's like

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the US Marshall protector.

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Yeah, he's like his muscle.

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But it's based on a true story. It says New

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York City and narcotics detective reluctantly agrees to cooperate with

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a special commission investigating police corruption and soon realizes he's

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in over his head and nobody can be trusted.

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Wow.

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It is a phenomenal film, currently available to get on

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Prime for four bucks if you want to rent it.

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But the Blu Ray comes with a twenty twenty five

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minute making of and also goes into the true story.

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Can't recommend it enough.

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So, and before we move on to the topic, I

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want to mention real quick that we are going to

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be doing a live stream. Yes, finally going to be

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returning to the live stream. We'll see how fun it

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is for me to set that up again. After we

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haven't done it in like eight months or something. But

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we're gonna be streaming live. You can find all the

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information if you go to Weeklyspooky dot com slash Live.

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It'll take you straight to the YouTube page where it

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will be streaming, where you can set a reminder and

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all that stuff. And that's where it'll be streaming is

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at Weeklyspooky dot com slash live and that's on Saturday,

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March first. We'll start around noon and probably go for

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twelve hours, yeah, maybe more, who knows.

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Say we went long last time. Yeah, we went a

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little over twelve months. Hands were hurting the.

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Well, that's your own fault because you need to be

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one with dark Man, you need to be one with

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Peyton Wesla.

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You're gonna be dark game. But I'll keep trying. It's

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such a hard game.

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Well, those who've never joined us, Yeah, for a live stream,

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we hang out, We read the chat. We sometimes even

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let people call in if they want. Dave plays usually

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retro video games videos, lots of nes and Super Nintendo,

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and for donations, we let you pick what game David plays,

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which can be really fun, very entertaining, and because some

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games are notoriously hard to play, and those are almost

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certainly what you'll have to play.

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And if you think that you might be limited and

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be like, oh, well, I bet they won't have this, well,

472
00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:17.759
hen is such a statist that he will find a

473
00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:19.599
way to get it and I will have to play.

474
00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:21.599
We've only failed to find a few games, and the

475
00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:23.759
ones we failed to find, it turned out might not

476
00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:27.839
exists anywhere. Yeah, so yeah, we're pretty good at finding everything.

477
00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:30.240
I gotta remember to set all that up on the

478
00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:33.680
Friday before. But yeah, so one last time Weeklyspooky dot

479
00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:37.039
com slash live. You can go there and set a

480
00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:40.599
reminder so that on your YouTube account it'll let you

481
00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:44.160
know when we start streaming. We really appreciate and any donations,

482
00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:47.200
any super chats, anything we get goes toward helping me

483
00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:50.200
pay off my veterinary final expenses, which I really do

484
00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:52.880
appreciate because there's still quite a few of them and

485
00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:55.519
we're a year out out and it's just been it's

486
00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:58.119
been a lot, so I do appreciate. But I'd also

487
00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:00.720
just like people to come and hang out really fun.

488
00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:03.359
And I usually get a little blitzed, a little blitzed.

489
00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:08.000
And sometimes kind of testy, which is which is extra

490
00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:11.160
funny because I you know me, I'm a good friend,

491
00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:13.319
so it's not like I needle you further. You know

492
00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:18.440
you're brochet. No no, So anyway, with that all being said, yeah,

493
00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:22.319
but a second view of companion Hard Eyes, they were

494
00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:24.160
just as good. I really enjoyed them.

495
00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:26.000
And also I would like to comment that Hard Eyes

496
00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:27.640
is on its way to what twenty three million now.

497
00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:29.759
Yeah, it has had a little bit of a well

498
00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:35.799
not a little bit a shocking incline in viewership since

499
00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:38.599
obviously Valentine's Day being on a Friday, it had a

500
00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:40.880
giant jump on Friday, then a little bit on Saturday,

501
00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:43.599
and a little bit on Sunday. So it's thank goodness

502
00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:45.839
it now in my and this is just my opinion,

503
00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:49.160
it can't really be considered a flop anymore, which is great.

504
00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:52.519
It's awesome. It may not be a hit, but it

505
00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:55.759
is not a box office disaster. It's it had an

506
00:22:55.759 --> 00:22:57.880
eighteen million dollar budget, but we never know how much

507
00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:01.880
they spent on marketing, so it's hard to know if

508
00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:05.559
it's like really killing it ha ha. But it's now

509
00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:07.759
at twenty three million against eighteen million, so it's at

510
00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:10.720
least not a massive flop and that makes me so

511
00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:13.240
happy because that movie is so good, Yes, so worth

512
00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:15.599
your time and so worth seeing in the theater.

513
00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:16.960
Absolutely so.

514
00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:20.400
I guess that's all I have to say about the BS.

515
00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:23.640
I don't have any hilarious anecdotes other than I'm currently

516
00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.039
living with a cat in heat. Yes you do, and

517
00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:27.359
yes I do.

518
00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:28.960
Yes you do? You do have a cat and heat

519
00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:30.039
that you're currently living with.

520
00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.880
Yeah, I had no idea how awful it would be.

521
00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:36.799
You didn't. But luckily I'm a good friend, and I

522
00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:39.720
brought over today nineteen eighty five's Tough Turf.

523
00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:44.640
Yeh, great friend. No, I did not dislike Tough Turf.

524
00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:49.079
I mean, for all joking, I did not dislike that movie.

525
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:53.680
Ye is such a it's a stack of cheese.

526
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:58.079
It's so much in one movie that you don't think

527
00:23:58.119 --> 00:24:01.000
would go into a single film and be cohesive.

528
00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:03.000
Who said it was cohesive?

529
00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:05.960
I mean it has a middle, it has a beginning,

530
00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:10.559
it has an end kind of in theory. Yeah, in theory.

531
00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:13.640
No, I I mean I really liked it, but like,

532
00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.480
I can see why people love it, but it's also

533
00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:19.279
like a really weird one.

534
00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:21.920
I think it's the definition of a cult classic.

535
00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:25.599
Yeah, I would say so. It's it's really far out.

536
00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:27.039
It is.

537
00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:30.279
It's bizarre in so many ways. And we'll get into

538
00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:33.519
that a little bit more. But the biggest thing I

539
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:36.440
have to say about it right off the bat is

540
00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:42.720
this movie is so deeply out of touch with its

541
00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:46.000
own time period. Mm hmm. Like I remember, I kept

542
00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:47.960
turning going, this is supposed to be like a bad

543
00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:49.839
like these are supposed to be tough kids. The supposed

544
00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:51.759
to be kids that live in a bad area. Yeah

545
00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:58.039
like what yeah what? Apparently that's why they spelled it

546
00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:00.440
with two f's. You know you would you no, no, no,

547
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:04.200
not tough like difficult, tough like a not word t

548
00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:08.960
you f f yeoso tough. We have an eleven person

549
00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:10.839
R and D there without a single black guy.

550
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:13.519
Leave Jack Mack in the heart attack a loon.

551
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:16.920
Oh they are not getting spared in my opinions of

552
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:17.960
this feature film.

553
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:20.279
Speaking of this film, do you remember my chancer how

554
00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:22.079
the email of who suggested this time was?

555
00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:24.920
I believe it was Maurice Marie, but I can check.

556
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:27.119
If you give me one second while you're running down

557
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:27.799
the pertinent.

558
00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:30.839
Deet So Tough Turf nineteen eighty five, One hour and

559
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:35.279
fifty two minutes Radar for strong violence, language, some sexual content,

560
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:39.200
and brief nudity. The IMDb synopsis reads as the new

561
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:41.559
kid in school must battle a gang of street toughs

562
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:43.400
after stealing the gang leader's girl.

563
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:45.039
That's accurate.

564
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.400
My synopsis says, new to Los Angeles Morgan Hiller must

565
00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:50.359
face off against a gang of bullies when he sets

566
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:52.200
his sights on the leader's girlfriend, Frankie.

567
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.920
Yeah, they're both. I would say they're both. They're pretty,

568
00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:56.680
they're both pretty good. That was pretty much a wash.

569
00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:57.359
They we're both good.

570
00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:01.960
Yeah, Moving into the taglines tough Turf, where reputations are earned,

571
00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:07.079
where all where enemies are made, reputations are earned, and

572
00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:10.920
love is the most risky affair of all. And then

573
00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:14.519
long meet Morgan Hiller. He's a rebel about to become

574
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:15.039
a hero.

575
00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:21.079
Real quick. Yes, if Maurice recommended Tough Turf, it wasn't

576
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:23.960
via email at do you even MoviePod at gmail dot com,

577
00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:26.920
where we take requests, But we did get a request

578
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:31.279
from this in October from Tim tim Smith who wrote

579
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.319
in and gave us a list of films that he

580
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.680
really would love us to talk about five on it.

581
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:42.279
So thank you, Tim. Yes, you're enjoying this episode. Sorry

582
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:46.240
that I well, Dave first, yeah, misattributed my apologies. Tough

583
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:50.640
Turf is currently available on Plex, Pluto Prime and to

584
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.799
be nice. Yeah, so it is readily available right now.

585
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:55.839
And I will also mention that it does have a

586
00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:59.000
beautiful Blu ray that Keto Larber has put out, and

587
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:01.400
it does include a commentary that I listened to and

588
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:03.759
it's entirety with the director. A lot of interesting stuff

589
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:04.880
on there, which I'll bring up when we get to

590
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:05.119
the TRUP.

591
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:06.880
Yeah, and Blu ray look phenomenal.

592
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:07.160
Yeah.

593
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:10.119
I like to tease Dave because you see, when I

594
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:13.359
bought my first projector and we started screening movies on

595
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:15.920
a giant screen in my living room, I would tease

596
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:17.920
you if it wasn't a Blu ray because that was

597
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.240
a full HD, because I spent a lot of money

598
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.680
getting this was, you know, eight years ago, getting a

599
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:25.759
full HD. Because a lot of these projectors will say

600
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:27.759
like ten ADP, but it just means that they accept

601
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.519
a ten ADP signal that they don't project into any

602
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:32.240
So I would always be like, oh, well, if only

603
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.599
we could really watch it. But he does DVD. Now

604
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:37.480
I have a four K system. So I'm taught to

605
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:38.680
you all the time about like why didn't you bring

606
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:40.319
the four K? Yeah, well there isn't one, And I'm like, well,

607
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.680
you could have made one. You could have you could

608
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.599
have gotten a hold of the rights holders, gotten a license,

609
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:51.559
had the film remastered in HDR, even gathered the filmmakers

610
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:54.839
together to talk about it, absolutely packaged it and made

611
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:57.160
one copy for you and I on a Tuesday night.

612
00:27:57.319 --> 00:27:59.680
If only, if only Dave's video was in production.

613
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:02.000
I still think you should have. You should start yourself

614
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:05.039
a label, especially now that physical media is doing great,

615
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.920
doing great. Yeah, apparently there was almost a thirty percent

616
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:10.720
decrease in physical media sales between twenty twenty three and

617
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:13.920
twenty twenty four. Yeah, so physical media is now officially

618
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:18.400
not quite a billion dollar industry anymore. It's a nine

619
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:20.000
hundred and some million dollar industry.

620
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:21.799
Do you think there's anything at all that could change

621
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:23.359
that or are we kind of just on the slant

622
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:23.839
at this point.

623
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:27.119
I don't know, man, Like I know that people are

624
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:29.880
talking because the crazy thing is, last year, everybody thought

625
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:31.920
that it was there was gonna be a big boost. Yeah,

626
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:35.359
because remember last year, a lot of boutique labels amped

627
00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:38.519
up their their production. Oh yeah, but I'm not trying

628
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:41.160
to say anything like it is what it is. I

629
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:44.640
love buying my movies, absolutely, I love buying my boutique

630
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:47.039
label four K's and Blu rays that look amazing and

631
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.920
why would nobody else would ever touch them? But these

632
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:55.599
fine folks. But more releases in a year generally means

633
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:58.680
that business is slower. Yeah, so they're trying to speed

634
00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:03.160
business up generally, not always, yeah, but often. So that's

635
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:05.640
something to keep in mind. But last year, remember there

636
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:07.599
were all that there was all that talk about streamers

637
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.559
taking things down and things being removed, even though there

638
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:13.920
were almost no examples of people losing movie movies anywhere

639
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:17.279
copies because they heard that you could or Amazon or something.

640
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.559
I've heard that so many times, and every time I've

641
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:21.920
gone to look at it, it's usually something in regards

642
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:23.759
to a rights holder. It's not anything to do with

643
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:25.400
like the property of it. Yeah.

644
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.359
But so my point is just that that's kind of

645
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.880
the struggle there. But because of that, people were saying, like,

646
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:33.559
I think we're going to see a resurgence in physical

647
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:36.000
media because everybody's talking about how streaming is not getting

648
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:38.839
it done. And then we had the biggest year over

649
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:43.279
year drop in sales, almost thirty percent. So to give context,

650
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:46.279
two thousand and five was the biggest year in physical

651
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:52.039
media ever. Yeah, and the sales totaled sixteen billion dollars

652
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.640
with a B. And now in twenty twenty four, I

653
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:57.440
mean it's twenty twenty five now, but looking back at

654
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.960
twenty twenty four, it was less than one. Yeah, so

655
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:02.200
that's a big decrease.

656
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:03.200
Yeah, it's a big one. Now.

657
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.359
It doesn't mean that it's going to go away forever,

658
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.880
or that it's or that it's tumbling away entirely, but

659
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.240
it does lean lend credence to the idea like these

660
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:14.799
copy these blu rays and especially four k's are going

661
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.519
to be expensive. Yeah, They're going to be mostly through

662
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:21.880
smaller labels, and it is what it is. I'm curious

663
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:26.200
how long before places like Universal and MGM and stuff

664
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:28.599
just fully don't do any of their own at all

665
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.359
and just hand everything over to like like a like

666
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:33.680
a Keyno or a shout factory or what happened.

667
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:35.240
I feel like a big sign of the times is

668
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:37.480
going to be when Walmart completely does away with it,

669
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.319
because it seems like they've condensed a little bit more

670
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.039
each year, or maybe maybe every couple of years. It

671
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:44.839
might not be every year.

672
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.599
Well, it also entirely depends on the market. You're in.

673
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.440
More rural areas are going to have way bigger movie sections. Yeah,

674
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.480
because they don't have as as strong access to high

675
00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:55.079
speed internet.

676
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:56.200
Yeah, that makes sense.

677
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.440
But and and last year we lost best buy physical

678
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:01.079
media at best by yep, So.

679
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.880
Fye has turned more into trend than anything. You can

680
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.319
barely find CDs and DVDs, blu rays four k's there. Now.

681
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:10.359
I had a friend complaining about that the other day,

682
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:12.640
Oh did you saying like, I can't believe that all

683
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.240
they're selling now is this like these like uh, you know,

684
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:17.880
movie choch keys and candy and all this stuff, Like

685
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:19.960
they're not even really selling movies. They don't even seem

686
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:21.000
to care. And I was like, you know what the

687
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.119
difference is between FYE and all those movie stories that

688
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:28.079
sold movies. Fy is still here. Yeah, it's not Fye's

689
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.000
fault that they have to go after the dollar of

690
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:33.440
the people who will shop there. Yeah. And this is

691
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:35.519
it's funny because I'll talk about this that people feel

692
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:39.279
like will sometimes come at me like I'm defending the concept.

693
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.960
I'm not. No, I get the it's it's reality.

694
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:43.599
Yeah, well, I mean I worked in those stories, and

695
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:46.440
I can tell you that we probably sold more trend

696
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.720
items than I mean, given this is we're talking like

697
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:52.839
back in like twenty eleven, twenty twelve, and I worked

698
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.960
at one of the biggest fyees in Ohio, which was

699
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:57.759
Kenwood at the time, which is I think now closed.

700
00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:01.079
It was not on common for us to like sell

701
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:03.039
out of T shirts quicker than we would have new released.

702
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.680
And sure, yeah, well you have to think about that.

703
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.880
You have to think about the fact that movies are

704
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:12.319
becoming more digital by the minute. They just are. The

705
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:16.400
access to movies is unbelievable. How how quickly you can

706
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:19.599
get access to a film you know, in your home

707
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:23.319
and watch it. So it's kind of like movie conventions.

708
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.960
If you're if you're a filmmaker at a movie convention,

709
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.079
it's harder to sell your physical units than ever before

710
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:35.240
because physical media is becoming all for the collectors. It's

711
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:39.759
not it's not mass it's becoming less mass market every day,

712
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:43.000
and because of that, you're going to have less films

713
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:48.559
priced for casual movie watchers. Because they're not interested. Casual

714
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:52.039
movie watchers want to use their streaming services, and they're

715
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.200
likely paying for several already. Yeah, and that's where it gets.

716
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:59.480
It gets really tricky and unromantic and unfortunate because we'd

717
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:03.359
all like it to stay exactly the way we love obviously,

718
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:06.160
but it can't, know and it well it won't.

719
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:08.359
We've had a great run. I'm not saying that it's ending.

720
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:11.880
DVD people don't like to admit it, but DVD had

721
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:13.359
a longer and stronger run.

722
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:17.519
Than vahs, yeah by far, and d wed Some people

723
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:19.480
still buy DVDs, Yeah, no, they absolutely do.

724
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:23.039
The other problem is license costs. Blu rays are expensive

725
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.440
to manufacture because of license costs, and four ks are

726
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:30.680
incredibly expensive to manufacture because of license costs. Sometimes a blue,

727
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.720
when you buy a four K, literally a third of

728
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:36.480
the cost could have been paying for a license to Sony.

729
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.880
It is what it is, it's their technology, they patented

730
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:40.400
it so.

731
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.160
Well, and then to go with four K. Before we

732
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.279
got off this topic, we just you know, recently are

733
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:46.920
finding out too now that a lot of what we

734
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.000
thought was supposed to be region free four k's are

735
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:49.799
now getting locked.

736
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.240
They're starting to lock four k's, which is crazy because

737
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:56.519
when they introduced four K discs they actually said like

738
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.880
they have no region setting, which I thought was a

739
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.200
bizarre thing. I get. I get that people get mad,

740
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:05.519
They're like, why is Germany have this movie and we

741
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.400
don't on Blu ray or whatever, and like the region

742
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.840
coding stupid. The entire reason for region coding is very

743
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:16.039
very simple. It's so that smaller countries can afford to

744
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.199
license those films for their people. Yeah, that's all it is.

745
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:23.079
The reason there's a Dawn of the Dead box set

746
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:26.079
in the United Kingdom, which I own. The reason there

747
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:28.920
is one is because the rights are cheaper and more

748
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:34.320
accessible in overseas than they are in America. So that's

749
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:39.599
that's that. And as region coding dies, it's another death

750
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:45.320
knell for physical media because why license a movie that

751
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.639
to a country that only has five million people in

752
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.840
it if those copies are just gonna end up disseminated

753
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:54.159
in America or your biggest markets and whatever. So it's

754
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:56.920
usually in the contract like this needs to be region locked.

755
00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.920
And I'm guessing that they introduced region locking to fourk

756
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.320
K discs because rights holders wanted that protection. Yeah, because

757
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:05.840
for a while it was it was like it was

758
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:07.239
and I don't even know there are only even a

759
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.840
few reported to have region locking, but like it was

760
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:11.400
the Wild West, I'd be like, oh man, I want

761
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:12.719
a four K have Done and the Dead I'll just

762
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:14.320
buy the UK one. Oh man, I want a four K.

763
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:15.480
This loves buy from Oscar.

764
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:18.239
Walter Hills movie The Driver is currently available on four K,

765
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:20.559
and otherwise you're gonna have to pay like out the

766
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:22.880
ass for like the Twilight Time title. Yeah, but it's

767
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:24.880
like forty five dollars for a four K and I

768
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.679
can watch it, and I mean that movie's difficult to find.

769
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:32.039
Oh sure, sure, And four K is a great format.

770
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.079
I mean it looks great, it sounds great. So it's

771
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:40.000
tough because I think that the cost for the consumers

772
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:41.960
is heading way up. I think we're gonna end up

773
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:43.840
in the fifty to sixty dollars range.

774
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:45.320
I mean we're kind of already there on some of them,

775
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:46.079
on some of them.

776
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:47.480
Yeah, but I mean, like I think that's gonna be

777
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:48.920
the rule, not the exception.

778
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:49.239
Yeah.

779
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.760
Right now, it's like the rule is like twenty seven

780
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:52.639
to thirty dollars.

781
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:52.960
Yeah.

782
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.880
And then of course big label movies will be released

783
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:57.840
a bit cheaper and go on sale a lot more.

784
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:02.119
But that's also worrisome because if the big studios have

785
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.960
to keep discounting their titles just to move them, how

786
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.440
long before they're like, why are we putting four K out?

787
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.880
I mean, Blumhouse put a bunch of titles out. The

788
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:13.880
Hunt is coming out on four K through Shoutfashion. We

789
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.079
did it Happy that day one and two. They've done

790
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.679
a few others. They have a deal with Universal, Yeah,

791
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:22.000
but they're doing their physical media through Shoutfashi Factory.

792
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:24.599
But I mean at the same time too, it's getting

793
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.559
to that point where you are seeing less of the

794
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.239
studios having their four K is passing off to somebody else.

795
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.400
So at least if those boutique labels are still around,

796
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:34.679
if people keep buying them, we're still going to get

797
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:36.840
those for yes, whoever knows how long. So I mean,

798
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.000
the main message I think in all of this is

799
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.320
if you're a movie fan, which I mean if you're

800
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:44.079
listening to this podcast, obviously you are. Yeah, physical media

801
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:46.760
right now is probably at a height for a lot

802
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.000
of stuff that has not either been available in a

803
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.199
certain extent or is going to be available only for

804
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:52.920
a short period.

805
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:56.159
Just because now is one of the worst times for

806
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:58.599
physical media of all times does not mean that now

807
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.360
is one of the worst times for physical media collector exactly.

808
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.480
Those are not the same thing. And what one thing

809
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:10.079
that will hopefully occur is as time goes on, these

810
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:14.760
studios will start to realize like, Okay, there's not quite

811
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.880
as much money to be made in physical media. I

812
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.599
need to be a little bit more kind and open

813
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:24.239
minded about how much I want as a license to

814
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:26.559
put them out on physical media so that I can

815
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:31.519
avoid the pain in the butt of manufacturing the physical media,

816
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.960
authoring the physical media. I'm gonna pawn that off on Keno, Luriber,

817
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.000
I'm gonna pawn that off on Vinegar Center, I'm gonna

818
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.800
pawn that off on all these other labels. Yeah, and

819
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.880
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if I wouldn't be

820
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:46.400
shocked if we even saw another label or two pop up.

821
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.800
If that keeps happening, that happens. Yeah, Honestly, if I

822
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.320
were them, if I were the major studios, I would

823
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.199
go in on a physical media label together.

824
00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:58.000
Point I would.

825
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.239
I would. I would if I was like Universal Studio, whatever,

826
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.239
I'd be like, what if we found a label that's

827
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:06.199
fifty percent owned by Sony or forty percent, and then

828
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:09.519
we split the rest between like Universal Disney and make

829
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:12.400
it to consortium so that the prices can go low.

830
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:14.000
Right now, a lot of people might say, well, that

831
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.559
would be a nightmare in a way, but they've also

832
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:20.519
co owned streaming services before Hulu and stuff like that.

833
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.199
But that's kind of what I would immediately think, because

834
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:25.400
it's like, you have the licenses and they'd be cheap

835
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:28.199
if you were sharing in the profits.

836
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:28.960
And that would be the way to go with it.

837
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:30.639
Maybe I don't know, I could be wrong. I mean,

838
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:33.840
I'm not directly in the boutique business other than as

839
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:37.000
a collector, and very occasionally do I work in the

840
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:39.119
business of boutiques. Yeah, but I will tell you I

841
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:41.159
do think it's the best time to be the collector

842
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:44.559
because there are so many films that have hit Blu

843
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.320
Ray and four K that I never would have imagined

844
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.280
would be available, and now I get to watch them

845
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.519
in super high quality. I just got a four K

846
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:56.360
of Collateral, a film that half of it was shot

847
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:58.960
in HD, so I'm really curious how it's gonna look.

848
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:00.840
Hey, I just got a Blu Ray seventh Curse from

849
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:03.159
Vinegar Center in that movie is fucking insane.

850
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:06.280
We could cheer no, and that's the thing. Yeah, So anyway,

851
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.800
I didn't mean to go on a tirade, but it's

852
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:11.239
like people are fast, especially because they love this stuff. Yeah,

853
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:14.400
they're fast to fear. It's like when that article went

854
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:18.519
viral about Sony shutting down Blu ray manufacturing ray rs,

855
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:22.679
but everybody, yeah it was recordable Blu ray media. Everybody

856
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:24.599
thought that it meant that Blu rays were no longer

857
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:27.440
going to exist. But I can tell you as a

858
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:32.639
person who has bought literally tens of thousands of physical

859
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:36.840
discs to burn. Yeah, we never buy them from Sony.

860
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:41.079
They're too expensive. We buy them mostly from I'm pretty

861
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:43.360
sure there's one factory in Taiwan that makes all of

862
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.280
the cheap ones and then they're labeled under like five

863
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.000
or six different names. Makes sense, And that's where we

864
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.559
get our cheap physical media. So when it comes to

865
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:54.599
manufacturing Blu rays that are going to go in a store,

866
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:57.360
that's a whole other world. That's a whole other thing.

867
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.920
I don't have a lot of insight into that, and rightfully,

868
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:02.559
So glad, I don't being.

869
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:04.800
If you are a physical media collector, now is the time.

870
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:06.960
So if there are titles that you are seeing that

871
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.119
you want to own, grab them up while you can.

872
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:11.119
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't want to sound

873
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:13.519
like I don't think the sky is falling, but the

874
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:14.519
sky's going to be different.

875
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:16.920
Sky's gonna be different. And also the sky is blood

876
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:17.519
letting right now.

877
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:20.239
A lot of great deals, Yeah, I know there's been

878
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:24.119
stupid deals. Yeah, it's been dangerous because uh I would

879
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:26.320
I got a little bit money, I bought my I

880
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:30.320
finally bought my first region free four K player. I

881
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:33.480
haven't gone nuts buying region buying overseas stuff, but I

882
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:34.280
have bought a few.

883
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.599
Oh the reason that I don't buy region free player

884
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:38.719
is because I know that there's no holding me back

885
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:41.400
because I have a list still to this day of

886
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:44.079
stuff that I want that is region B and D.

887
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:46.519
But you want to know what was so sweet about

888
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.440
it was watching that Terminator two and three D from

889
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.480
the UK that I bought, not even ever hoping to watch.

890
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.440
I bought it because it was thirteen dollars. Yeah, so

891
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:57.440
I was like, oh, my Terminator two collection gonna have

892
00:40:57.519 --> 00:40:59.239
the three D blue from Overseas there and the one

893
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:00.559
day I bought this play and I was like, wait,

894
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:05.159
it's three D capable and plays all region D D. Yeah.

895
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.119
So anyway, the rain, Wow, that was a long thing

896
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:11.199
just to say that. Yeah, so physical media lovers, fellow

897
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:15.960
physical media lovers, don't panic now, but understand that it's

898
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.480
going the landscape's going to change. I wouldn't be surprised.

899
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.840
I mean, there's a lot of headway being made in

900
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:26.360
made on demand product. I know some people hate made

901
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.440
on demand product, and it is a different.

902
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:29.920
Quint it's a different quality. But I mean like that

903
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:31.880
it looks good. Kill from Warner Brothers that I get

904
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:33.920
the Warner Archive DVD looked fine, like I mean, and

905
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:34.840
looked look pretty good.

906
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:38.840
Well, there's a company called Allied Vaughn and they are

907
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:42.159
the biggest. They are probably who's going to pick up

908
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:43.880
a lot of the slack, although they don't do as

909
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:46.559
far as I know four k's yet, but they literally

910
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.159
are a giant manufacturer. And when you order a movie

911
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:54.840
that's burned on demand from Amazon, Target, Walmart wherever, it

912
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:58.400
goes straight to their their their hubs. They have a

913
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.039
few hubs all over the country. They make the cop

914
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:03.679
the disc, they they burn the disc, they print the disc,

915
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:05.920
they print the sleeve, they insert it, they package it,

916
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:09.119
and they mail it to you asaph And that's what

917
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:11.320
they do. That's all they do. That's all they do.

918
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:13.599
But no, that's that's all they do. So, I mean

919
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:18.199
that's gonna be where, especially the smaller titles from the

920
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:21.599
bigger companies, that's where they're headed. Yeah, they're they're they're

921
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.400
headed there unless they get picked up by a boutique. Yeah.

922
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:26.519
So, But I mean, if you want to keep your

923
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.360
ear to the ground, Dawn of the Disc on Facebook's

924
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:30.119
a great one to follow.

925
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:31.760
Just don't read the comments.

926
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:31.880
No.

927
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:34.159
Blu ray dot com. If you go to the top

928
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:35.960
of their page, they always have the deals that are

929
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:38.519
going on between Amazon and all these other places including

930
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:41.000
streaming too. So I mean you you have a lot

931
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:42.440
of ways to get your finger on the pulse for

932
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:43.320
physical media right now.

933
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:46.599
Yes, yes, so, I I just I know, I've been

934
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:48.400
in this business so long at this point, and i've

935
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:50.599
been I mean, it's been my key source of income

936
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:53.599
for over ten years. Yeah, I'm not trying to sound negative.

937
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:57.519
I'm just talking about what's happening. Yeah, it's like my buddy, well, buddy,

938
00:42:57.519 --> 00:42:59.639
he's a quaintance justin Robert Young. He has a show

939
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.400
called Paulics Politics, Politics, and whenever people write them in

940
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:04.000
to get mad, he's like, you realize, I'm just telling

941
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.400
you what happened. I'm not telling you what should happen ye,

942
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.960
or what I think should be happening. I'm just telling

943
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:09.599
you what happened.

944
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:09.840
Yeah.

945
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:11.320
That's kind of how I feel when I talk about

946
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:13.840
the film business, is like I'm telling you what has

947
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.920
happened and what might happen, not what I want to happen.

948
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:17.039
No.

949
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.239
And I mean we're physical media collectors ourselves, as we've

950
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:21.440
said numerous times. So I mean, you know, the last

951
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:23.599
thing we want to read is that physical media is dying.

952
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.440
But I mean you can't ignore that things have been

953
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.760
happening lately that have looked like not the end is coming,

954
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:32.199
but we have had a decrease well and simple.

955
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:34.639
And there's other things that are worrisome too, Like when

956
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:38.440
I was buying my region free four K player, most

957
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:40.480
of the four K players on the market are like

958
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:42.599
six or seven years old. They're not making new ones.

959
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.039
No, they're not that worries me a little bit.

960
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.320
I mean, granted, you know, well there's the PlayStation five

961
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.119
and there's the whatever. Yeah, but still they're not making them,

962
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:51.840
and then prices aren't going down either.

963
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.639
There's also making game systems without dis drives now entirely too.

964
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.440
Yeah, they're still making it an option, yeah obviously, but yeah,

965
00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:59.559
and that's that's another thing worth mentioning is like when

966
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:01.679
I bought my player. I think it's a great player,

967
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:03.320
one of the best that was made at the time,

968
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:05.639
but like I can tell how old it is by

969
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:09.000
looking at it. Yeah, so, and it's a Sony, It's

970
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:12.559
not like it's an off label even any off brand

971
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.239
forty players. And maybe that would be nice if if

972
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:18.679
maybe that patent could either get cheaper or something. It

973
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:22.280
would be nice to see, you know, those those cheapy

974
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.840
b ian I see APEX make a comeback, the place

975
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:26.559
that made my first thirty dollars.

976
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:28.199
DVD player, Toby Kobe.

977
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.719
Yeah, there we go. Anyway, My god, I'm sorry, I

978
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:32.920
just I just had to talk about that for my

979
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:33.639
entire life.

980
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:35.840
Back as Tough Turf. Our director on the film is

981
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.559
Fritz Kirsch. He gets his start in nineteen eighty four,

982
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:42.599
directing Children of the Corn out of the Gate. Never

983
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.320
heard of it, So that's his first that's his first feature.

984
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.320
He also did a lot of commercial stuff before that, because,

985
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:48.719
like I said, I'd listened to his commentary and he

986
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:51.039
did a lot of premo commercials before that. So he

987
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:53.360
does Joe on the Corn eighty four, the next year,

988
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:55.880
does Tough Turf in eighty five, followed by Winner Takes

989
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:57.840
All Gore in eighty seven.

990
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:00.559
Oh, the film about future President.

991
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:06.599
No, a really really bad cannon swords and sandals sci

992
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.159
fi movie. It's not good.

993
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.199
As a canon movie. That's not good. Yeah, I don't

994
00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:11.599
buy it.

995
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:14.199
Under the Boardwalk in nineteen eighty eight, Fable Charm in

996
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:17.400
nineteen ninety, Swamp Thing TV series in nineteen ninety, Into

997
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.239
the Sun, Shattered Image in ninety four, The Stranger in

998
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:24.000
ninety five, High Tide Crayola Kids Adventures, Tales of Dolliver's

999
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:26.440
Travel and now he said that that's my favorite. Surveillance

1000
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:28.199
in two thousand and six, and The Hunt in two

1001
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:29.079
thousand and six as well.

1002
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:31.480
Ah, the other, the other, the one that I kept

1003
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:33.079
seeing when I was trying to fight out what was

1004
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:34.400
happening with the new one.

1005
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:34.639
Yep.

1006
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:36.480
When it got pushed back on release.

1007
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:37.559
That was the dark times.

1008
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:39.840
Well that was before the COVID really, I know.

1009
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:43.000
Yeah, oh yeah. Writer. We have three writers on the film,

1010
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.800
starting with Jet Rennick. He gets his start with nineteen

1011
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.320
eighty five's Tough Turf. Our other writer on the film

1012
00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:50.519
is Greg Collins O'Neil. He does Tough Turf in nineteen

1013
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:54.000
eighty five, Wordplaying eighty seven, the Sleeping Car in nineteen ninety,

1014
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.679
Zorro series in nineteen ninety, and Pacific Blue, the bicycle

1015
00:45:57.719 --> 00:45:59.760
cop TV series USA used to play.

1016
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:04.760
I oh my god, I take it back. Yes, I

1017
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:10.840
used to sit through Pacific Bloom so born yep. Waiting

1018
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:14.760
for Silk Stockings. I would wait for Walker, Texas Ranger reruns, right,

1019
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:18.800
some other stuff and then Silk Stockings some other stuff. Yeah, listen, kids,

1020
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:24.039
Silk Stockings man, that show does not get the love

1021
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:24.440
it is.

1022
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:27.480
It's not, it is not. Last writer on the film

1023
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:29.760
is Murray Michaels. He gets his start and his only

1024
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:31.800
credit with Tough Turf in nineteen eighty five. So three

1025
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:33.880
writers that this is all really they did?

1026
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:34.960
Wow?

1027
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:39.760
Yeah. Cinematographer on the film Willie Currant, he gets his

1028
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.800
Start in nineteen sixty six as director Photography on the Creatures,

1029
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.960
followed by Anna in sixty seven, The Departure in sixty seven,

1030
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:48.760
The Immortal Story in sixty eight, Night of the Following Day,

1031
00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:50.519
which is a big one in sixty nine because that's

1032
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.920
Brando Man on horseback in sixty nine, Mafia Wants Blood

1033
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.920
in nineteen seventy, Pink Floyd Live of Pompei in seventy two.

1034
00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:59.880
Then in seventy seven he shoots a little film called

1035
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:01.320
The Incredible Melting Man.

1036
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:04.360
Yes, not only do I love that movie, I just

1037
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:05.639
got that that Fair Day.

1038
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.519
Follows that up with Harper Valley Pta in seventy eight,

1039
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:12.320
ABC After School Specials in seventy nine, Running Scared in

1040
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.519
nineteen eighty, Mama Dracula in nineteen eighty, The Killing of

1041
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:21.280
America in nineteen eighty one, comside thomaso Tag, The Assassination

1042
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.000
Game in eighty two, Equator in eighty three, then shoots

1043
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:26.000
Tough Turf in eighty five, followed by A State of

1044
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.840
Emergency in eighty five, Trade Secrets in eighty six, Under

1045
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:32.039
the Son of Satan in eighty seven, Milan Noir in

1046
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:34.920
eighty eight, Kitchen with an Apartment in ninety three, China

1047
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.199
Moon in ninety four, A Business Affair in ninety four,

1048
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.599
The Babysitters Club Movie in ninety five, White Man's Burden

1049
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:42.760
in ninety five, The Little Rioters, The New Swiss Family,

1050
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:46.480
Robinson delivering Milo Pooty Tang in two thousand and one, I.

1051
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.480
Love Pooty Tangye yeah, yeah, that's a good one, and a.

1052
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:55.039
Burning a burning hot Summer in twenty eleven. He unfortunately

1053
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:57.519
lost him in twenty twenty one, May first at age

1054
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.000
eighty seven. No cause of death given, but I'm guessing probably.

1055
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.199
Old age, Yeah, old age or something along those lines. Wow.

1056
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:04.440
Moving down to our cast, we have James Spader in

1057
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:05.719
the film, who plays Morgan Hiller.

1058
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.960
He gets a start, sure does, Yes, he does. James

1059
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:12.280
Spader's this movie beautifully. I mean that would love. He's

1060
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:14.440
an amazing actor. I mean there's no denying now.

1061
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:17.159
So Teammates in seventy eight is his start. He goes

1062
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:19.239
on to do Endless Love in eighty one, The Family

1063
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:21.320
Tree in eighty three, A Killer in the Family in

1064
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.599
eighty three, followed by Tough Turf, which is his first

1065
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.039
like starring role in eighty five, The New Kids in

1066
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:29.039
eighty five, Star Cross in eighty five, Pretty in Pink

1067
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:32.280
in eighty seven, Mannequin in eighty seven, Yeah, Baby Boom

1068
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:32.800
in eighty.

1069
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:35.960
Seven, Mannequin, I Love, Mannequin, Less than.

1070
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.519
Zero in eighty seven, Wall Street in eighty seven, Jack's

1071
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:41.119
Back in eighty eight, Sex Lies, and Videotape in eighty nine,

1072
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:43.320
which I just revisited. Have you seen it in a while?

1073
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:45.239
Not since I was in high school?

1074
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:47.400
Dude, go back and watch it. Soderbrigs first movie, of course,

1075
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:51.400
right right, right, perfect movie, perfect movie. Critirian put out

1076
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.360
an edition of it, which I watched a DVD of

1077
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:56.400
it when I watched it this past week. But Fantastic

1078
00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:00.760
Film cannot recommend such Yeah, bad influence to nineteen ninety

1079
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.320
another one. I'll recommend White Palace in nineteen ninety, True

1080
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:06.039
Colors in ninety one, Bob Roberts in ninety two, Dream

1081
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:07.599
Lover in ninety three, And I'm going to take a

1082
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:09.960
second to tell you about dream Lovers. Oh yeah, I

1083
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:12.280
just watched dream Lever a couple weeks ago with our

1084
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:14.519
good friend Slisse, who is sweet and spooky on YouTube

1085
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.440
follow her channel. She's awesome, and we watched it and

1086
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:19.679
it is an erotic thriller from ninety three where James

1087
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:23.199
Spader finds the woman of his dreams. She comes into

1088
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:26.400
his life. This movie is really really odd, has some

1089
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:28.599
top tier Larry Miller, but she comes into his life

1090
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:32.199
and he is swooned by her. They get married, they

1091
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:34.559
have kids. All this happens in the first forty minutes.

1092
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:35.840
Oh boy, And then the.

1093
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:39.360
Movie reveals spoilers that she has basically been building a

1094
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:41.840
case against in this entire time because she has mysterious

1095
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:43.639
bruises that appear and she's just like, oh, I just

1096
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:44.400
have this condition.

1097
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:48.519
Oh, she's building the case to ruin his life. Was

1098
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:48.920
he rich?

1099
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.000
Yeah? It rich. He works for a firm.

1100
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:53.280
Oh okay, So she's trying to get something. Yeah what

1101
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:54.280
is she trying to? Just money?

1102
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:57.239
Basically money. So he finds out that everything that she

1103
00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.360
was told him was a complete live So then he

1104
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:01.760
goes to see her family in this town and a

1105
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:04.000
bunch of weird stuff happens. But the reason I'm telling

1106
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:05.599
you about this movie is A. I wasn't a big

1107
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.599
fan of it, but B I'm gonna spoil this ending

1108
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:09.519
because this ending is the only reason that if you

1109
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:12.159
are curious about this movie to watch it. She eventually

1110
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.800
gets him institutionalized. Oh so he gets sent away and

1111
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:20.519
only one was a pepsi. He gets institutionalized, and the

1112
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:23.159
movie ends with her going to visit him on his birthday.

1113
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:27.280
So he is having his birthday. He convinces one of

1114
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:30.559
his fellow patients to distract the guards, and then him

1115
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:32.679
and the wife go on a walk and he's like,

1116
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:35.239
guess what, there's one fatal flaw of your plan and

1117
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:38.519
she's like, what's that. He goes, I'm crazy, strangles her dead,

1118
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:39.719
and that's the.

1119
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.559
End of the movie. What's that movie called again?

1120
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:44.199
Dream Lover?

1121
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:46.719
That's a brilliant ending, though. I really like that.

1122
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:48.320
I like the ending, but like the rest of the

1123
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:49.400
movie is not great.

1124
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.760
That's a great ending, though. He just he just turns

1125
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:54.880
it on her, like, oh well, since I'm insane, I'll

1126
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:59.599
just murder nobody. They already think I'm insane. So Dream

1127
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.079
Lover from nineteen ninety three, if you're gonna watch it.

1128
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:04.159
I unfortunately watched the R rated cut, which has the

1129
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.239
sex scenes trimmed down because there's an unrated But that

1130
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.159
is a movie that I don't recommend, except for the ending. Well,

1131
00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:13.400
I mean God damn no, it's a hell of an

1132
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:15.199
ending though. That's great. I love that twist.

1133
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:17.679
Moving on to a movie, I do recommend Wolf from

1134
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.800
nineteen ninety four. Him and Jack Nicholson in that movie. Phenomenal.

1135
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.519
Oh my god, that movie. Yeah, everything about that movie

1136
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:24.480
is a joy.

1137
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:27.320
Stargate in ninety four, Crash in ninety six, Two Days

1138
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:29.800
in the Valley in ninety six, Critical Care in ninety seven,

1139
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:32.280
The Water in two thousand, Secretary two thousand and two,

1140
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.840
Right the Stick Up in two thousand and two, Alien Hunter, Boston, Legal,

1141
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:39.159
The Office, Lincoln, The Homesman, then does Avengers. He's of

1142
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.079
Ultron in twenty fifteen, and of course you know was

1143
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:43.320
on the Blacklist recently as well, which completed a couple

1144
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:43.719
of years ago.

1145
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:45.840
I want to say, yeah, I mean he became a

1146
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:52.760
go to for what I would call like big like network, yeah,

1147
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:56.840
high prestige television. Yeah.

1148
00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:59.559
No, he he is definitely one of those names that like,

1149
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:01.159
you know the name. But it's funny when you look

1150
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:03.480
at his film career. He did a good amount, but

1151
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:04.920
not as much as you would think because he only

1152
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:06.440
has like fifty five credits on IMDb.

1153
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:07.440
WO.

1154
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.280
So moving down to our other actress. We have Kim Richards,

1155
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.320
who plays Frankie Croyden in the film. She gets her

1156
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.199
start in nineteen seventy one's The Strange Monster of Strawberry Cove,

1157
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:18.039
The Nanny and the Professor, the FBI Picture of Dorian

1158
00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:20.639
Gray in seventy three, Emergency, Little House on the Prairie,

1159
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:23.000
Escape from Which Mountain, which is one of her big claims,

1160
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:26.519
Special Delivery assault on pre scene thirteen, she's the little girl.

1161
00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:30.039
Oh no, way I wanted was a vanilla?

1162
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:31.480
Yeah?

1163
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:36.119
Oh my, that's her. I love that. Then moving on

1164
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:39.800
to the Rockford Files in seventy six, Raid Atanabi, the

1165
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:43.119
Car in seventy seven, Police Story in seventy seven, Devil Dog,

1166
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.599
Hound of Hell, Different Strokes Alice, the Love Boat, Dukes

1167
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:49.840
of Hazzard, meat Balls Part two, Tough Turf in eighty five, Escape,

1168
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:52.199
Black Snake Moan in two thousand and six, Race to

1169
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:54.440
Witch Mountain in two thousand and nine, Revenge TV series

1170
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:56.719
Sharknado three, Oh hell No. In twenty fifteen.

1171
00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:58.840
Now we're talking about a motion picture.

1172
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:01.039
And people may also know that she is Paris Hilton's aunt.

1173
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:02.800
So she appeared on the Simple Life as herself in

1174
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:05.119
two thousand and four and Real Housewise of Beverly Hills

1175
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:08.039
in twenty ten. Well hell mm hmm, all right, and

1176
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.079
if I remember correctly, no, no shade to her. I

1177
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:12.519
believe she had a mental breakdown on Real Housewives.

1178
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:14.400
Shocking, Yeah, that never happens.

1179
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.880
And wrapping up our cast, mister Robert Downey Junior, who

1180
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:19.440
plays Jimmy Parker in the film, who I.

1181
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:20.559
Was very surprised to see.

1182
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:22.920
Yeah, I did not know. He got to start in

1183
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:24.920
nineteen seventy in Pound. I did not know he was

1184
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:26.360
in Pound, his father's movie.

1185
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:27.039
Oh shit.

1186
00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:27.360
Yeah.

1187
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:27.559
No.

1188
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.480
The Sheens and estavez Is they always like to work

1189
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:32.800
with their family. Yeah, I mean they were. They've always

1190
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:36.280
been very supportive of each other and all that. The

1191
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:39.760
Estavezs and Sheens are all from Dayton, Ohio. Yeah, we're

1192
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:44.159
sitting right now, so and the Estavezas that are still here.

1193
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.880
Really nice people, actually, I mean like really really nice people.

1194
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:49.440
Baby, it's you in nineteen eighty three, first Born in

1195
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:51.840
eighty four, Then does Tough Turf in eighty five. Girls

1196
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:54.800
just want to have fun, weird science SNL in eighty five,

1197
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:58.480
The Billion Years, Yeah, back to school in eighty six.

1198
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:01.639
Less than zero at eighty seven, Johnny be Good, True Believer,

1199
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:03.880
Air America Soap Dish in ninety one.

1200
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:06.559
I love Air America. I love soap Dish so much.

1201
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:07.280
I've never seen soap.

1202
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:10.360
Soap Dish is great. Oh it's a soap opera that

1203
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:11.239
goes like wrong.

1204
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:12.840
Maybe I don't know.

1205
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:14.840
You probably had it was a cable player back in

1206
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:15.159
the day.

1207
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:18.639
I visited Air America like two years ago, and I.

1208
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:22.440
Fun Chaplain in ninety two, Heart and Souls in ninety three,

1209
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:24.760
Natural Born Killers in ninety four, Richard the Third, and

1210
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:26.960
ninety five Home for the Holidays in ninety five.

1211
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:29.039
One of my favorite performances by them although.

1212
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:30.599
Fall into his eyes if you look too hard.

1213
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:33.119
Yeah, well, not just because he's beautiful, but because his

1214
00:54:33.199 --> 00:54:37.360
pupils are so dilated that they legally could be hubcasts.

1215
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:39.719
That is famously the film that Jodie Foster wrote to

1216
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:41.880
him afterwards and told him, you need to clean up

1217
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:43.039
your actor. You're going to die.

1218
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:46.599
Yeah. No, Well, Jody Foster has stood up for people

1219
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:50.639
who really needed an advocate. And the most I would

1220
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:53.360
say the two most incredible not just famous, but incredible

1221
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:56.159
examples were Downy and Mel Gibson.

1222
00:54:56.199 --> 00:54:56.639
Mel Gibson.

1223
00:54:56.719 --> 00:55:00.719
Yeah, mel Gibson. One of those moments that like got

1224
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:03.239
me in the fields was I think it was it

1225
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:04.679
was she won an award I think for the Beaver.

1226
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:05.079
Beaver.

1227
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:07.480
I forget what it was mine to Big Golden Globe.

1228
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:08.960
It was something. It was a saga order, so I

1229
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:10.679
can't remember. But she won an award for The Beaver,

1230
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:14.119
which is one of my favorite movies I've ever seen, yeah, ever, and.

1231
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:16.360
Literally watched it for the first time ever in this room.

1232
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:19.039
I borrowed your copy when I was staying with you

1233
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:20.440
when was still living here.

1234
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:24.920
That yeah, okay, Yeah, that movie's amazing. Yeah. So she

1235
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:27.480
she's thanking everybody and one of the things. And this

1236
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:31.440
is after the the tape the recordings of him yelling

1237
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:33.679
on the phone, which which he was anti I'm not

1238
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:37.800
I am not justifying mel Gibson's terrible things. Yeah, but

1239
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:42.599
as a person who has had his own mental health

1240
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.360
issues not as severe as mel mel Gibson had a

1241
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:50.559
horrible father who was a drunk, bigot, terrible person. And

1242
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:52.760
if you read about mel Gibson's father and then you

1243
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:55.280
see how he was talking when he was wasted and

1244
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:57.960
drunk and angry. Yeah, he sounds like his father. Yeah,

1245
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:00.840
and I my heart goes out to some who who

1246
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:03.760
you know, remember, didn't take much for him to move

1247
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:06.360
across the entire planet from Australia to America and get

1248
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:09.320
away from all that stuff. So it breaks my heart

1249
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:12.320
to think that he's sounding like his father, that he's

1250
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:14.559
being his father. And I think that happens to a

1251
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:17.920
lot of people who are alcoholics, that they become who

1252
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:22.199
they're trying to escape. Yeah. But so after all that happens,

1253
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:24.480
the Beaver comes out and when she gets the award,

1254
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:27.320
she says, and I want to thank Mel, and she says, Mel,

1255
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:30.519
I'll never give up on you. I do remember that,

1256
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:33.400
And that actually softened me to Mel Gibson a bit too,

1257
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:35.639
because it made me realize that the people closest to

1258
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:38.159
him knew that he was struggling and that he had

1259
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:43.280
serious problems, yeah, and that he needed help. Yeah. So

1260
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:45.920
that is what I got.

1261
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:49.000
That's fair, So hopeful The Holidays in ninety five, US

1262
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.639
Marshalls in ninety eight, in Dreams, Bowfinger, Wonder Boys, Ally

1263
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.400
McBeal in two thousand, The Singing Detective Gothica in two

1264
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:56.719
thousand and three, which I want to give a shout

1265
00:56:56.760 --> 00:56:58.519
out to Gothica. That is a movie that does not

1266
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:02.480
get its due. I've never seen Gothica. Is Halle Berry's

1267
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:06.760
Dark Castle. Yeah, Dark Castle, Yeah, yea Yeah. It's a

1268
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:09.920
really really good ghost story that has a lot of

1269
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:12.000
layers to it that it kind of got brushed under,

1270
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:13.679
I think because it was just one of the lesser ones.

1271
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:15.880
Yeah, I mean, I remember people talking about it when

1272
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:18.519
it happened. But I think also it had the calling

1273
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:21.960
it Gothica, had a bit of a hello fellow kids mentality. Yeah,

1274
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:23.920
that a lot of people just rubbed them the wrong

1275
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:24.760
way right away.

1276
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:27.039
Kiss Kiss, bang bang in two thousand and five, good Night,

1277
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:28.960
good Luck in two thousand and five, Scanner Darkly in

1278
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:31.039
two thousand and six, is Odiac, and then iron Man

1279
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:32.400
in two thousand and eight, and the rest is history

1280
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:33.079
from there. Yeah.

1281
00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:36.800
And I'm and I'm so happy that Downey has cleaned

1282
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:40.239
up his act because he's a phenomenal actor, phenomenal talent,

1283
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:41.599
phenomenal personality.

1284
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:43.280
One of my favorite rules of his, even though it's

1285
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:46.800
like really minor is Chef. His appearance. Chef is so good.

1286
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:49.559
Everybody is so good in che Chef is just such

1287
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:52.199
a great experience in every way, one of the only

1288
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:53.800
one of the not only, but one of the very

1289
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:57.119
few films that's kind of about nothing as far as

1290
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:01.119
plot plugs. That is a joy and you get something

1291
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:02.880
when it's over and you're happy.

1292
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:06.480
And if you haven't seen, Chef cannot recommend that movie

1293
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:08.199
enough and it'll probably come to the show at some point.

1294
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:11.119
I'm yeah, maybe probably. I mean, it's worth talking about.

1295
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.400
But my only problem, and I mentioned this when we

1296
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:16.880
were watching the film, My only problem with Downey in

1297
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:20.760
this movie is I seeing him young makes me uncomfortable

1298
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:25.079
because it's like I'm transported to a time when I

1299
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:28.119
literally wondered if he was going to die. Yeah, because

1300
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:32.559
he was so clearly off the rails, ye, doing pills

1301
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:35.239
and drugs and stuff, pills and drugs, not just bills,

1302
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:38.440
just drugs, pills, both bills as well as drugs. But

1303
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:40.679
so I'm so happy that he had a happy ending.

1304
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:43.360
But sometimes when I watch him in those movies, I'll

1305
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.280
be like, my god, I can tell how loaded he is,

1306
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:48.000
you know, I can really tell, and it's scary, even

1307
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:49.320
though he turned it around.

1308
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.519
Yeah, So my first time watching Tougher, because this was

1309
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.679
your first time the Night. I got this movie brought

1310
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:57.760
to my attention because I was at f YE one

1311
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.039
day when I had moved back to Troy and and

1312
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.119
I was shopping around and I came across an eight

1313
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:05.239
film pack that i'd seen advertise on Amazon from Mill

1314
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:08.599
Creek that was Eighties Guilty Pleasures. Oh that's what they

1315
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:12.000
titled it, Eighties Guilty Pleasures. And this included soul Man,

1316
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:17.280
Girls Just Want to Have Fun, Angel, Tough Turf, Fraternity Vacation,

1317
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:21.719
Black Moon Rising, Night Patrol, and Reform school Girls. Most

1318
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.519
of those are bangers. Yeah, yeah, So I had never

1319
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:26.920
heard it Sough Turf. I solely got it because I

1320
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:28.440
was a big fit of Night Patrol. And I think

1321
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:30.519
I also got it for soul Man. I think that

1322
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:32.440
was the two that I was a hunting after point.

1323
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:34.880
See Thomas Howell in Blackface.

1324
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:37.239
It's a it's it's it's a thing. It's a thing,

1325
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:38.599
and it exists, it happened.

1326
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:40.440
It's not a bad movie. But I mean, don't get

1327
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:43.679
me wrong, it's that didn't age the best. Well no, no, no, no,

1328
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:47.320
no no. That the problem with soul Man. The real

1329
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:50.599
problem with soul Man is that some people want to

1330
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:54.360
believe that somehow that that was not off color when

1331
00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:54.840
they did it.

1332
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:56.320
Yeah, it was one percent.

1333
00:59:56.440 --> 01:00:00.559
The whole point was that it was not okay for

1334
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:04.280
him to be in blackface. See, Thomas Howell was not

1335
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:08.760
pretending to literally be a black character. He was playing

1336
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:12.239
a white character pretending to be a that was pretending

1337
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:12.960
to be a black character.

1338
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:13.880
He could get into the school.

1339
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:16.679
Yeah, so it's not And don't get I'm not saying

1340
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:18.119
that it's a great thing. I don't think we should

1341
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:18.639
make it today.

1342
01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:20.519
I mean it's still I'm gonna say this, it's still

1343
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:22.480
readily available on Voodoo. You can get it today.

1344
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:24.440
Yeah, but it just drives me crazy when people gotta

1345
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:26.760
go like that wouldn't fly it. I'm like people were offended.

1346
01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:29.880
Then that was the point. It wasn't a movie about

1347
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:33.239
how great it is to wear blackface. That was never

1348
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:33.719
the point.

1349
01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:36.199
Oh, if you want to hear something hilarious about that movie,

1350
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:39.719
Raydon Chong and Bernie Casey have both done interviews on it,

1351
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:42.159
I would love to hear that. I found him on

1352
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:44.039
YouTube all back and I think there was also a

1353
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:46.159
documentary on the disc that they were on. But yeah,

1354
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:48.679
so I got that collection and I genuinely had no

1355
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:51.119
idea like I'd seen Angel, I'd seen Night Patrol, and

1356
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:52.840
I'd seen Girls Just Want to have Fun. He knew

1357
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:54.199
about a few of the other movies and never heard

1358
01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:56.920
a tough turf, and eventually got the tough Turf because

1359
01:00:56.920 --> 01:00:58.559
I think it shared the same disc with Soul Man,

1360
01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:02.360
if I'm not mistaken nice. So I got the tough

1361
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:05.679
term and my world just changed. I was blown away

1362
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:09.519
by how dumb, how fun the movie was, the tonal shift,

1363
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:13.519
and just genuinely the huge jump between music numbers, violent

1364
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:17.440
attacks and teen romance. Yeah, like it's out of its

1365
01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:18.000
fucking mind.

1366
01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:22.360
No, it's it's completely disjointed. Yeah, it's clearly. It's clear

1367
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:24.719
that there was a lot of meddling behind the scenes.

1368
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:28.719
It's really interesting. On the commentary, did the director mention

1369
01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:32.159
like it was he went straight from Children of the

1370
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:34.239
Corn to that. Yeah, did they not know Children of

1371
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:35.239
the Corn was a hit yet?

1372
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:37.840
I think he had mentioned that it was that they

1373
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:40.159
had just basically locked it down and they didn't know

1374
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:41.039
the success of it yet.

1375
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:43.039
Yeah, because because it seems like if Children of the

1376
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:44.480
Corn had come out, which would have been one of

1377
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:48.480
the few New World successes post Roger Corman. Yeah, they

1378
01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:50.320
would have been. They would have been like, you do

1379
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:52.880
whatever you want with this movie. You're a god. And

1380
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:55.440
that was the funny thing when we started the film,

1381
01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:57.519
literally started the film, and you're like, it's a pretty

1382
01:01:57.559 --> 01:01:59.440
ridiculous movie. It's you know, blah blah blah blah. And

1383
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:02.519
then the New World Okay, oh yeah, they throw money

1384
01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:05.880
at anything, Yes they would now and again that doesn't

1385
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:07.639
mean that they didn't make a lot of fun movies

1386
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:09.880
that would have never gotten the kinds of budgets they deserve.

1387
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:13.119
But most of them flopped. There's a reason that that

1388
01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:18.119
company is long gone. Yeah, for every for every hell Raiser,

1389
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:22.239
for every I'm trying to think of another big hit.

1390
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:26.599
They had a few big hits. Creep Show too, well,

1391
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:28.280
that's not it, but it was a modern hit.

1392
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:28.519
Shit.

1393
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:30.800
But but for every one of those that were like

1394
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:32.920
where they threw money into something that turned out really great.

1395
01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:34.320
Children in the Corn is one I was trying to

1396
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:36.280
think of, which we just talked about. For every one

1397
01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:38.559
of those, they had like fifteen movies where you were like,

1398
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:40.880
why is this so weird and expensive?

1399
01:02:41.039 --> 01:02:43.119
Yeah, and I mean New World Pictures is just that

1400
01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:45.320
sign of quality that you know when it pops up,

1401
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:47.679
you're either in for a dog or a ride.

1402
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:50.159
Well, you know you're in for a nostalgia hit.

1403
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:51.239
Yeah, for sure.

1404
01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:54.519
Dam and I love them and and I love I

1405
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:57.559
found my love for most of the New World Pictures

1406
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:01.079
stuff from the eighties thanks to the Anchor Bay DVD

1407
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:04.000
double features. Yeah, that they were cranking out there for

1408
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:04.480
a while.

1409
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:07.119
Well, I mean so Tough Turf was on Anchor Base,

1410
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:09.400
so was her from Squirrel Girl, so was Night Patrol,

1411
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:12.280
so was soul Man. All those titles on that Mill

1412
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:13.960
Creek pack were Anchor Bay titles.

1413
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:16.960
They were kind of the home for all of those

1414
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:19.639
New World films that weren't the big hits. Yeah, for

1415
01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:20.199
quite a while.

1416
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:22.960
Well, I mean, Hell, they repackaged Hell, Hell Comes to

1417
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:25.320
Frogtown and Deaf Con together four.

1418
01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:28.960
Hell Comes to Frogtown is a phenomenal example of how

1419
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:31.719
insane the management at New World Pictures was. That is

1420
01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:34.920
very true. I love that movie, but it is it

1421
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:36.960
is not just bonkers.

1422
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:41.000
Yeah, it's they tried to be serious with the premise.

1423
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:42.519
That doesn't sound serious at all, But.

1424
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:45.159
That's because the director whose name escapes me right now

1425
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:48.639
is wild and crazy. Yeah, like Perverse is the best

1426
01:03:48.679 --> 01:03:51.320
way to describe it. It's just the reason that that

1427
01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:54.159
movie is so fun is because there's no wink. No,

1428
01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:57.639
there's no like haha. Is in this ridiculous Donald G. Jackson,

1429
01:03:57.719 --> 01:03:59.559
Donald G. Jackson, And I know you're about to start

1430
01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:02.519
freddlin Ras autobiography. He has a whole bunch of stories.

1431
01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:05.559
They were buddies, oh buddy, Yeah, including including a time

1432
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:07.519
that he loaned his son Chris to him to like

1433
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:10.239
film scenes for a new movie. And uh, and then

1434
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:13.320
the police got called because he was filming without a permit. Yeah,

1435
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:15.400
and then and he tried to be mad at Fred like, well,

1436
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:17.159
your son was making too much noise. And he was

1437
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:19.599
like I'm just taking my son back. And now I'm

1438
01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:23.079
mad at you, like I was letting you film with

1439
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:25.280
my son just to be nice. It's a it can't

1440
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:26.880
a way to read this book. It's a really it's

1441
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:32.079
a great book. Uh. It's help for Hollywood. Highly recommended.

1442
01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:33.880
It's a great read. But anyway, so.

1443
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:36.719
Yeah, getting in a tough turf. So we opened the movie.

1444
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:39.199
We're seeing James Spader riding his bike through the streets

1445
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:41.760
of la We're seeing street lights, we're seeing neon lights.

1446
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:46.719
Oh no, Oh, we see James Spader riding his bicycle.

1447
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:47.559
Bicycle.

1448
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:51.000
Yes, you made it sound like the movie I was

1449
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:54.719
expecting when I heard the term tough Turf. One of

1450
01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:56.480
the reasons I never got around to watching it, yeah,

1451
01:04:56.679 --> 01:04:59.400
was I thought it was yet another one of those

1452
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:02.039
kind of post warriors. It was supposed to be.

1453
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:04.719
A remake of Rebel Without a Cause originally, is what

1454
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:06.119
the idea was supposed to be.

1455
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:09.599
But then they were like, eh, that was good, let's

1456
01:05:09.639 --> 01:05:12.159
not do that. It's not a bad movie, but it's

1457
01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:12.880
a fever dream.

1458
01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:14.760
It's a fever dream. Yeah. So he's riding his bike

1459
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:16.880
through streets of LA We're seeing street lights, we're seeing

1460
01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:20.039
neon lights, we're seeing cars pass them, and we eventually

1461
01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:23.159
meet Nick and his gang and his girlfriend Frankie, and

1462
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:25.119
they're setting up. A guy who comes out of a

1463
01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:26.599
store and waits at a bus stop.

1464
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:31.320
Makes no sense. This guy is wearing a suit and tie, yes,

1465
01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:34.760
And the young woman is standing on the corner. She

1466
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:36.719
makes sense. She looks like she's waiting for a bus

1467
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:38.760
or waiting for like a boyfriend to pick her up

1468
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:42.079
or something. But this guy walks out of a store

1469
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:45.039
in the middle of the rough part of town.

1470
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:48.199
There's a news stand there, like the kids are reading Porno's.

1471
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:50.400
Yeah, they're just checking out Porno Mags. But he's just

1472
01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:52.360
standing there smoking cigarette. All I could think was like,

1473
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:55.239
why are you standing? Like, yeah, don't you You've got

1474
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:56.960
to have a car, yeah, you Like, what are you

1475
01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:00.519
doing here? And this scene is just is just ridiculous.

1476
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:01.679
They get ready to mug him.

1477
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:04.920
He's clearly so he's clearly a mark. So Frankie walks

1478
01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:07.159
over to him and has a five or what looks

1479
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:09.400
like a one in the movie it does yeah, and

1480
01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:10.960
she's like, you know, do you have changed for a five?

1481
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:13.159
He goes in to get the money and she signals

1482
01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:15.400
to Nick and they start crossing the street. One guy

1483
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.840
breaks an antenna off a car, one guy grabs his

1484
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:19.559
spray paint, and then of course Nick breaks out a

1485
01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:21.920
razor and throws the guy up against the wall. He's like,

1486
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:23.840
you know, money's in my left pocket. And right as

1487
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:26.760
this is happening, James Spader, as Morgan, rides on his bike,

1488
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:28.920
grabs a beer can from one of the gang members

1489
01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:30.920
sprays them with it, to where one of the gang

1490
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:33.480
members sprays Nick in the face of spray paint, and

1491
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:36.440
then they also free the guy. The dude with the

1492
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:38.800
antenna goes to swipe at Morgan and cuts his jacket

1493
01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:40.880
and rides off, and that's Morgan Hiller's introduction.

1494
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:44.559
Yeah, but the thing they established that these guys are

1495
01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:47.760
like very dangerous rofue oh yeah, but then they're just

1496
01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:50.480
pains in the asses until like the last twenty minutes. Yeah,

1497
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:54.679
they're mostly just like dickheads. I assumed that what were

1498
01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:56.800
where we were going, and this is especially based on

1499
01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:59.079
movies at that time period, that like we'd find out

1500
01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:01.679
that these kids deal, uh, we'd find out that they're

1501
01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:04.760
you know, loaning money or something or running illegal gambling.

1502
01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:06.159
There's like no drug use in the movie at all.

1503
01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:09.800
Honestly, they're just pricks. Yeah, they're just little shitheads.

1504
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:14.239
Yeah, so he catches Frankie's attention and we just kind

1505
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:17.760
of see Frankie being like, oh okay. So then we

1506
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:22.000
go to we go to see Morgan's home life the

1507
01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:24.280
next day, because we find out that later on that

1508
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:26.440
his family has moved from Connecticut. They used to be

1509
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:28.519
a well to do family. His dad owned a business.

1510
01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:31.400
The business collapse, so they decided to take everything Connecticut

1511
01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:32.719
and move to la.

1512
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:36.840
Which made me laugh out loud. It's like, Oh, things

1513
01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:41.840
are too expensive in Connecticut. What's the vaguely less expensive place, Oh,

1514
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:45.880
the ghetto in California. Like although, although I'll give credit

1515
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:49.320
later on they reveal that the dad is driving a

1516
01:07:49.400 --> 01:07:53.239
taxi cab to support the family while he gets his

1517
01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:54.760
real estate license in California.

1518
01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:55.079
He does.

1519
01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:59.480
And I will say, especially in the eighties, selling real

1520
01:07:59.559 --> 01:08:02.039
estate and cal California is a lot of opportunity as

1521
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:04.360
opposed to like Connecticut, where it's a little bit smaller,

1522
01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:07.000
it's a little bit tighter. Yeah, and it is expensive,

1523
01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:09.599
especially if you're used to a certain degree of living.

1524
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:13.119
You know, I spent I spent almost every year growing up.

1525
01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:16.119
I'd spend at least a weekend or a week in

1526
01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:18.800
Connecticut with my grandparents because they lived in there, out

1527
01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:22.239
there and it was fancy. I remember when they decided

1528
01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:25.159
to leave Connecticut and moved to Hamilton, Ohio, because they've

1529
01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:27.119
been there for a few years. My dad was actually

1530
01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:29.119
born down there like they because my grandpa was in

1531
01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:34.039
the Navy, and they moved all the time, and they

1532
01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:35.840
had literally said, like, we just don't like the people

1533
01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:37.119
on the East Coast. You know, we're gonna go back

1534
01:08:37.119 --> 01:08:39.239
to Hamilton. We have family out there, you know, we'll

1535
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:41.319
just kind of live out there. And then I remember

1536
01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:44.439
them talking about how amped they were because when they

1537
01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:47.640
sold their house in Connecticut, they got like this stack

1538
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:49.560
of money and then they found the perfect house in

1539
01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:53.159
Hamilton and they were like, oh cool, that's like that

1540
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:55.760
house barely costs the profit we made off of selling

1541
01:08:55.800 --> 01:08:58.079
the house that wasn't paid off yet, like, because it

1542
01:08:58.159 --> 01:08:59.279
was immensely cheaper.

1543
01:08:59.359 --> 01:08:59.560
Yeah.

1544
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:02.359
I mean we're talking two thousand and four, two thousand

1545
01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:06.000
and three, so like Ohio, it was crazy cheap. It's

1546
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:08.279
still very cheap. Yeah, it was crazy cheap back then.

1547
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:10.720
So they bought this big house, one story because they

1548
01:09:10.760 --> 01:09:13.199
were getting older, and but yeah, I remember them leaving.

1549
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:14.960
But I remember my asking my grandpa, who was a

1550
01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:18.119
very wise man and he had a wonderful name too,

1551
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:24.039
Enrique Cato. This was my grandpa's name too, But I

1552
01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:26.039
remember asking him, like, why did you guys leave Connecticut?

1553
01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:27.680
I thought Connecticut, I mean I grew up in Ohio.

1554
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:31.000
I thought Connecticut was beautiful. I love the drives out there. Yeah,

1555
01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:34.239
and he just thought out he was like, nobody's grateful

1556
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:37.399
in Connecticut and all the damn vampires and all the

1557
01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:40.119
damn vampires that would I mean, I'm sure, I'm you know,

1558
01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:44.079
considering how sparse his his naval record is he probably

1559
01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:47.640
did fight vampires for the US government. They just spoke

1560
01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:50.279
German apparently. Yeah, so, but no, it was just I

1561
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:52.479
just remember saying, like, you know, when you he literally

1562
01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:55.560
was like, in Hamilton, if I go to McDonald's, people

1563
01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:58.800
like care to hand me my hamburger? Yeah, And he

1564
01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:02.760
was like in Connecticut people are like so, which I

1565
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:05.199
just found really interesting, a really interesting observation that he

1566
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:07.680
was like, people just aren't. They don't appreciate anything out

1567
01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:09.600
there any more interesting. Well, he also lived in a

1568
01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:12.720
pretty nice part of Connecticut. I don't yeah, I don't

1569
01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:14.279
know all the details of how they even afforded it,

1570
01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:16.560
to be honest. That could also fall into like, you know,

1571
01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:17.279
killing vampires.

1572
01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:17.960
Yes.

1573
01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:21.000
So we see Morgan's new home and the way they

1574
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:23.920
established that it's not a nice place is there's roaches

1575
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:26.359
in the room crawling all over his stuff that hasn't

1576
01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:28.920
been unpacked yet. He's got an Albert Einstein poster that

1577
01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:30.039
has roaches crawling on it.

1578
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:35.880
So number one, it's the only time we see roaches. Yeah,

1579
01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:39.640
so they just crammed them into this one scene.

1580
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:41.720
But or they came to the moving supplies.

1581
01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:44.520
That's what I thought. I thought they were trying to

1582
01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:48.520
say that, like his stuff was dirty. Yeah, but you

1583
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:50.079
saying that, I'm like, oh, that was what they were

1584
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:51.920
trying to establish it. And they lived in a rough area.

1585
01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:54.520
Their house was huge, huge, They lived in a neighborhood.

1586
01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:57.600
They didn't live in an apartment building. All I'm saying

1587
01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:01.880
is to have cockroaches just on the middle of your walls, yeah,

1588
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:04.640
not even congregating where there's food, you would have to

1589
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:09.399
have like the worst infestation ever. You've never dealt with roaches, right.

1590
01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:12.119
Uh, not to that, not to that level, not to

1591
01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:15.279
those size of them. I've had roaches. Like we had

1592
01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:16.800
a couple of college but like nothing major.

1593
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:19.279
Oh yeah, that's gonna happen to college. See something that

1594
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:21.399
a lot of people don't want to talk about. I

1595
01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:24.279
lived in Jersey for three years and because not just

1596
01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:26.319
for me, because I didn't have roaches where I lived,

1597
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:29.079
thank goodness. Yeah, but I had so many friends that

1598
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:30.880
lived in the coasts, and they would say, like, when

1599
01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:33.319
you're living in these giant apartment complexes in New York

1600
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:36.359
City and Jersey City and all the in Philly, you

1601
01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:39.760
just have roaches. Yeah, and there's no option, like they'll

1602
01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:43.600
fumicate so that their numbers are low. But like, I

1603
01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:45.560
had friends who almost said their names, but I don't

1604
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:47.600
know if they'd want that. I had friends who literally

1605
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:49.079
like I'd come up to the house and be like, oh, cool,

1606
01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:51.439
you have one of those like little tupperware things to

1607
01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:54.119
keep your your cereal fresh. Yeah, And they'd be like,

1608
01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:57.039
I would never leave any food in any way out

1609
01:11:57.079 --> 01:11:59.840
in the open, because then I'll definitely have tons of roaches.

1610
01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:02.279
And I'd be like, ah, I remember when bed bugs hit.

1611
01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:05.720
It was miserable out there because it was like you're

1612
01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:06.560
just gonna get.

1613
01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:07.560
Gonna get them. Yeah.

1614
01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:10.880
So But so my point is many times in this film,

1615
01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:13.199
I was like, oh, this is supposed to be where

1616
01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:16.239
poor people live. Oh, these are supposed to be poor people.

1617
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:18.159
This is supposed to be the rough part of town.

1618
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:19.439
It's not.

1619
01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:25.479
It was such a like out of touch concept.

1620
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:25.880
Yeah.

1621
01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:28.119
And it wasn't even like some of the really fun

1622
01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:31.359
gang kid movies of the day, where like it was

1623
01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:35.439
kind of you know, futuristic, or it was kind of abstract. No,

1624
01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:38.279
it just was not just out of touch, it's just

1625
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:39.199
completely out of well.

1626
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:41.039
The best thing then, though, is he's watching the roaches

1627
01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:42.800
crawl on this poster and then he takes two dark

1628
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:45.760
guns kills them both. Now, the reason I bring this

1629
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:48.760
up is because on the commentary, this scene was added

1630
01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:51.479
because towards the end when he actually brings the guns out,

1631
01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:53.800
they wanted to establish that they were non lethal weapons.

1632
01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:56.680
So originally he just had dark guns. It's just no

1633
01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:00.359
establishing it. And these aren't dark guns for the red.

1634
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:03.399
These are not dark guns like I had a dark

1635
01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:05.399
gun when I was a kid. These are like they

1636
01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:06.359
look like tranquilize.

1637
01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:06.800
Oh yeahs.

1638
01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:09.600
They're like they have pointy pieces and little like the

1639
01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:11.560
little fur on the end of the feather on the end.

1640
01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:13.479
Because you think they're like paintball at first, yeah.

1641
01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:17.199
Or pellets or something, but they're they're like where would

1642
01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:18.119
you get.

1643
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:23.199
That, Connecticut apparently. So we see Morgan leaves and he

1644
01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:25.319
goes off to school riding his bike. He says by

1645
01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:27.399
to his dad as he's getting his taxi, and that's

1646
01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:29.359
when we get the tough Turf theme song. As he

1647
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:31.800
rides to school and we're riding along with them. We

1648
01:13:31.880 --> 01:13:33.840
get to school, we see the kids, We see everybody

1649
01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:37.359
listening to boomboxes, act in a fool, tagging spots and everything.

1650
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:40.119
And we also see that the bullies are now at

1651
01:13:40.159 --> 01:13:42.960
the school as well. Yes, but they're not attending.

1652
01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:45.479
School, No, they're just hanging out out there, I guess,

1653
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:47.760
to meet up because that's where they're supposed to go. Yeah,

1654
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:49.920
and then they're probably going to cut class or what

1655
01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:50.359
have you.

1656
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:53.000
So we see Morgan who talks to one of the

1657
01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:54.680
security guards at school because he wants me to go

1658
01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:56.680
Parker's bike, which is I can't remember the actor's name,

1659
01:13:56.720 --> 01:13:57.840
but he's the guy in Diehard Too.

1660
01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:01.279
It's been night movies. Yeah, And one thing I liked

1661
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:03.800
about this is it tells you a bit about Spader's character,

1662
01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:07.800
which is, in my opinion, that he has more of

1663
01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:11.640
like a healthy distrust of authority as opposed to just

1664
01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:14.479
an out and out because he jokes with him. Yeah,

1665
01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:16.119
he kind of laughs about it because he's like, hey,

1666
01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:17.840
you don't ride the bike once you're in the actual area.

1667
01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:19.760
Yeah.

1668
01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:21.039
Yeah, He's like, you take it over there, and then

1669
01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:22.479
while he's like, lock your bike over there, and you

1670
01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:23.960
get it. At the end of the day, he starts

1671
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:26.199
riding over. He say, hey, walk your bike, and then

1672
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:27.800
he just looks a me goes you ever shoot that thing?

1673
01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:32.560
And I just liked that because, like, like I said,

1674
01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:36.760
it didn't come off like he was a delinquent. But

1675
01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:40.399
he's definitely a smart ass. He definitely he definitely questions things, and.

1676
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:42.760
He's got his leather jacket, he's got his shades.

1677
01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:45.600
Which don't make him look cool in the eighties, although

1678
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:47.720
nobody else looked much cooler, so let's not pretend.

1679
01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:50.520
But Nick and his bullies see the see the Spader

1680
01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:51.920
going into school and they're like, I guess we're going

1681
01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:54.000
to school today, which we never see them in school.

1682
01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:57.079
For that matter, A school is a very minor character

1683
01:14:57.159 --> 01:14:57.720
in this film.

1684
01:14:57.840 --> 01:14:59.640
And we also find out that Spader's been kicked out

1685
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:01.439
of school's previously because he has a meeting with his

1686
01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:04.119
principal and the principal's like, listen, your test scores are

1687
01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:06.000
off the chart, like you're a good kid, Like don't

1688
01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:07.560
be a problem. You won't be a problem.

1689
01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:09.760
I always love that how they're like, look, we want you,

1690
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:12.840
we want you to like this guy who's a delinquent

1691
01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:16.760
so he's really smart. Yeah, because stupid people don't deserve

1692
01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:21.239
good things. So Shakespeare too, Yeah, that is true. He

1693
01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:22.920
seems to like Shakespeare. I mean, I'm a high school

1694
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:26.800
dropout and I was not a sexy genius like David Spader.

1695
01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:32.279
So that's when we also meet Robert Downey Junior's character,

1696
01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:35.560
who is Johnny in the class, and he is introduced

1697
01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:37.760
because they're watching a film on the Old West and

1698
01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:40.640
then the Frontiersmen and whatnot. We see kids that are

1699
01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:42.680
playing like with guns and every like their finger guns

1700
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:45.760
and whatnot and fucking whips on a switchblade.

1701
01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:47.319
Yeah, just like pops it out.

1702
01:15:47.399 --> 01:15:48.600
Yeah, he's like, oh, I didn't know it came out

1703
01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:50.479
that quick. And then he gives it to Morgan and

1704
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:52.119
he's just like, you're gonna need this, like because he

1705
01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:54.119
knows that. Like I thought that was on him.

1706
01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:56.560
I thought he get off. I thought he got it all. Okay,

1707
01:15:56.680 --> 01:15:59.800
maybe that's that's why that's whatever.

1708
01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:01.319
I was like, why would he take it out? Okay?

1709
01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:03.720
Yeah, he just like pulled it out of his pocket,

1710
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:06.279
which tells you what kind of trouble Baker is that

1711
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:08.600
he's just like sitting behind you again, but it tells

1712
01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:10.279
you a lot about the character. Yeah, he didn't do

1713
01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:12.000
it to rob him. He did it because he's just

1714
01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:16.119
he's weird, and and yeah, Jimmy not Johnny jim thank

1715
01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:17.000
you Jimmy.

1716
01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:21.000
Uh. Jimmy also tells him that, like he basically you're

1717
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:23.359
probably gonna need it because he knows that he's pulled

1718
01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:25.000
some shit already, so he knows that he's got some

1719
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:25.439
guff on.

1720
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:28.720
Were you ever the new kid other than normal moving along?

1721
01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:31.960
Nope, I never. We never moved to a point of that.

1722
01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:34.560
And the only time that I felt like a legitimate

1723
01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:37.199
new kid was going from elementary school to junior high man.

1724
01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:40.680
So I was the new kid one time, not from

1725
01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:43.960
you know, going to the next school. And it was rough, dude.

1726
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.239
Some dudes were like picking a fight with me all

1727
01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:51.479
the time. You know, girls didn't want to talk to me,

1728
01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:54.800
and I just realized, like, you know, life is shit.

1729
01:16:55.319 --> 01:16:57.279
It was the worst third grade year of my life.

1730
01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:01.680
I was the new kid, that makes sense. It was funny.

1731
01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:03.840
Like it was funny though, because like you really do

1732
01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:07.119
kind of walk in and just go, m is there

1733
01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:08.640
anyone vaguely like me?

1734
01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:11.079
Yeah, I mean, at least I sit with you, you know,

1735
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:12.760
you can't ever do the thing that Drew Barrymore does

1736
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:14.880
and Donnie Darko with just sit next to the boy

1737
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:15.920
that you think is the cutest.

1738
01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:18.520
Honestly, that would have been the smartest move.

1739
01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:25.079
Yeah. So that is when after class we see Nick

1740
01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:27.720
and Frankie have taken Morgan's bike and they're just having

1741
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:29.279
a nice little jar ad out with their ride out

1742
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:32.000
in the open while cars are circling them. Yeah, and

1743
01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:34.239
Morgan of course takes note of this. He goes up

1744
01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:35.920
to Nick and Nick's like, you know, we're just trying

1745
01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:37.399
your bike out, you know, do you want it back,

1746
01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:39.680
and eventually gives it back to him, throwing it down.

1747
01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:41.840
But by this point one of the cars has raced

1748
01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:43.640
to the other side of the parking lot and is

1749
01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:44.680
coming right at Morgan.

1750
01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:45.079
Yeah.

1751
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:47.840
And what does Morgan do. He puts the brakes on

1752
01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:49.800
the bike, tries to swing it, but it gets hit

1753
01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:51.039
by the car and thrown into the air.

1754
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:53.079
Yeah. The guy jerks the wheel just in the nick

1755
01:17:53.119 --> 01:17:55.439
of time to not smash him as well, and just

1756
01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:58.199
wrecks his bike. It gets thrown up in the air

1757
01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:02.560
like fifteen feet It's cartoonish, yes, how the bike flies

1758
01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:04.960
through the air and they make it like a really

1759
01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:07.960
tragic moment, which I thought was funny was because I

1760
01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:09.079
think what we were watching it, I was like, uh,

1761
01:18:09.359 --> 01:18:12.359
my grandfather brought the spike over from the old country.

1762
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:15.159
Well, what's funny too, is like he doesn't really have

1763
01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:17.439
a change in his emotion the entire He gets sprayed

1764
01:18:17.439 --> 01:18:19.159
in the face with like spray paint at one point. Yeah,

1765
01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:20.960
and he's just he's cool. He's cool.

1766
01:18:21.039 --> 01:18:22.359
Yeah, it's funny now that you say that it was

1767
01:18:22.359 --> 01:18:25.039
originally supposed to be Revel without the cause remake. Yeah,

1768
01:18:25.720 --> 01:18:27.720
it kind of is. For like the first eight minutes.

1769
01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:30.760
So as school as ice for a smidge who.

1770
01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:32.640
As ice is anything you want it to be, that

1771
01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:33.680
is very much more.

1772
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:37.199
Oh boy. So that's when Morgan returns home and he's

1773
01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:38.840
working on his bike in his bedroom and his mom

1774
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:40.039
comes in and she's like, you know, that was a

1775
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:42.840
five hundred dollars bike and gives him shit because again

1776
01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:45.079
he's been kicked out of schools. His attitude's not great,

1777
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:47.359
and he's nothing like his brother because his brother is

1778
01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:48.720
the shiny example of a sun.

1779
01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:50.359
Yeah, and I got a sense when we meet his

1780
01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:54.439
brother later they mentioned that he's currently becoming a lawyer. Yeah,

1781
01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:55.720
and I got a sense too that one of the

1782
01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:59.520
reasons they downsized was to keep him in school. Yeah,

1783
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:02.119
paying for his schooling because obviously it'll pay.

1784
01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:03.079
All and that definitely makes sense.

1785
01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:07.880
Yeah, and Spader later on he goes they he and

1786
01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:12.079
some friends they crash a country club. Yeah, and it's

1787
01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:14.399
great because Spader knows exactly how to talk to rich

1788
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:17.680
like the look. It's very funny.

1789
01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:21.600
So that is when before we had the scene of

1790
01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:24.560
him going and finding his bike, Jimmy invited him to

1791
01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:26.239
see his band play at a warehouse. So he told

1792
01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:28.000
him that it was going to be tonight and basically

1793
01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:30.079
to follow the street, walk past the porno shops, turn

1794
01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:32.840
left and he'll be there. So after that, he goes

1795
01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:34.560
out to see his band, but of course he doesn't

1796
01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:36.039
have his bike. He's trying to walk. He's trying to

1797
01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:37.439
hitch a ride, and then he finds a car with

1798
01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:40.359
keys just left in the ignition. Yeah, so he steals

1799
01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:40.920
a corvette.

1800
01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:43.479
Yeah, and then he gets to this middle of nowhere

1801
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:46.920
warehouse warehouse, And this is when I started to notice

1802
01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:49.680
something about this movie. Yeah, the dudes just don't wear

1803
01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:50.159
shirts a lot.

1804
01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:52.960
They do not because we're having the Jim Carroll Band play,

1805
01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:56.840
which is an actual musician, and Downey is on the drums, shirtless,

1806
01:19:56.920 --> 01:19:58.159
wearing glasses around his neck.

1807
01:19:58.359 --> 01:19:59.840
I thought it was a bow tie at first, because

1808
01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:02.279
they cut away really fast. She was just wearing a

1809
01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:04.600
bow tie and no shirt. Now, I will give it

1810
01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:08.359
to Downy. You know, drummers often, especially in like high

1811
01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:10.279
energy bands, they're often the ones who always have no

1812
01:20:10.359 --> 01:20:11.800
shirt off because they are so physical.

1813
01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:15.079
Yeah, but uh, I don't think he was playing those drums.

1814
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:17.600
I don't think so either. And there were a lot

1815
01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:19.680
of scenes where just I was like, why are like,

1816
01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:21.439
why are these dudes shirtless? Yeah?

1817
01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:24.039
Yeah, So Jim Carroll Band's playing down He's working on

1818
01:20:24.119 --> 01:20:26.680
the drums, and if you think this movie has a

1819
01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:29.399
shortage of music, don't worry. Oh, don't worry.

1820
01:20:29.439 --> 01:20:30.560
Don't you worry at all.

1821
01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:34.359
Jim Carroll Band's going along. So Morgan walks in and

1822
01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:37.199
he immediately sees after a while that Frankie is also here,

1823
01:20:37.399 --> 01:20:39.279
but he doesn't realize that Nick and his cronies are

1824
01:20:39.319 --> 01:20:41.840
there as well. But he decides to take the opportunity

1825
01:20:41.920 --> 01:20:44.239
to steal her for a dance, and steal her indeed

1826
01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:46.039
because like he forces her to dance with him for

1827
01:20:46.079 --> 01:20:47.960
about a good solid, like minute and a half for

1828
01:20:48.079 --> 01:20:50.000
being like get away from me, Like what are you doing?

1829
01:20:50.439 --> 01:20:53.439
And everyone's choreographed this dance apparently in this warehouse.

1830
01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:56.159
Yeah, yeah, because this was and this was the moment

1831
01:20:56.239 --> 01:20:58.279
when I when I really realized the film was so

1832
01:20:58.720 --> 01:21:01.880
entirely out of touch with young people because a year

1833
01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:03.399
earlier was.

1834
01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:06.880
Breaking, breaking and breaking too well and breaking.

1835
01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:10.079
You can say what you want about breaking, but the

1836
01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:13.479
reason it was successful was it actually did represent the

1837
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:16.000
youth culture going on. Now we may look back at wow,

1838
01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:19.199
that was cheesy, but like in the earliest days of

1839
01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:22.800
hip hop, break dancing was a major element of it. Yea.

1840
01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:25.039
It was at a point where gangster rap was still

1841
01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:27.640
was just being born, and it was very it was

1842
01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:31.159
still kind of light and fun, you know. So I mean,

1843
01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:33.079
and the reason I know gangster rec was born because

1844
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:34.600
Ice teas in it, and he was, you know, the

1845
01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:37.840
first I don't I don't want to hear your disagreements.

1846
01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:39.199
He was the first gangster rap.

1847
01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:39.840
Er John Claude.

1848
01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:43.800
Yeah, that's true. But but like Breakin was able to

1849
01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:46.600
depict like here's some young people, here's how they like

1850
01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:48.840
get in trouble. Here's how they stay out of trouble. Yeah,

1851
01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:50.880
here's how they do all these things. It really connected,

1852
01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:53.439
and it made an ass load of money at the

1853
01:21:53.479 --> 01:21:54.119
box office.

1854
01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:57.000
And then there's this movie, yes, and then there's this movie.

1855
01:21:57.600 --> 01:22:01.680
So naturally that a dancing with Frankie draws Nick's attention. Also,

1856
01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:04.159
Frankie's friend Ronnie takes attention of it, and Nick sends

1857
01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:06.520
his guys over to break it up. Spader starts dancing

1858
01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:08.039
with one of his guys at one point, then throws

1859
01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:11.119
him to the side. They go running out. Nick sends

1860
01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:14.359
Frankie home with Ronnie and that's when they go after Morgan.

1861
01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:16.720
And outside they catch up to Morgan. They're about to

1862
01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:18.600
kick his ass, and they do. They kick him in

1863
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:20.520
the balls a couple of times and like basically threaten him,

1864
01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:22.479
like you know, you're the new kid here, like, don't

1865
01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:24.640
fuck with us. Yeah, and then they steal his car.

1866
01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:27.319
But if you remember correctly, that's not his car.

1867
01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:28.840
That's already stolen.

1868
01:22:29.239 --> 01:22:31.920
So Jimmy comes out and he's and he you know,

1869
01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:33.520
checks on him, and he's like, man, I can't believe

1870
01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:35.359
took your wheels. He's like, oh, they're not mine. So

1871
01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:37.760
they get arrested by the cops. They're joy riding, and

1872
01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:40.720
what's hilarious too, is like they're like taking the radio

1873
01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:43.239
out and like drop it in the car and then

1874
01:22:43.239 --> 01:22:47.319
they immediately get pulled over and arrested. Yeah, so that

1875
01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:50.000
is when Morgan returns home and he finds his brother

1876
01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:53.159
with his mom and they're having some caviare and some

1877
01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:55.199
champagne out in front of the apartment.

1878
01:22:55.319 --> 01:23:00.600
He's wearing a sweater tied around it, like over his shoulders, yes, sleeves. Yeah. Yeah,

1879
01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:03.359
it's very very bougie. Yes.

1880
01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:06.159
And Morgan even ask him if he can borrow the car,

1881
01:23:06.199 --> 01:23:07.720
and his brother's like, you know, well, I was gonna

1882
01:23:07.720 --> 01:23:10.119
take mom to the movie soon, so you know, any

1883
01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:11.600
other time it'd be fun. He's like, you know what,

1884
01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:14.039
forget about it, and that's when he goes to walk in.

1885
01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:17.600
Suddenly the car from Nick's gang passes and then it

1886
01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:21.079
stops and comes at chasing him right down an alley.

1887
01:23:21.159 --> 01:23:23.159
So Morgan is running through the alley. He's trying to

1888
01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:25.840
climb walls, climbs to a fence, falls off the fence,

1889
01:23:25.960 --> 01:23:28.600
and that's when the door opens to the car, revealing Jimmy,

1890
01:23:28.680 --> 01:23:32.399
who stole nicks buddy's car. Yes, And so Morgan gets

1891
01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:34.319
in there, driving the car just round and one of

1892
01:23:34.359 --> 01:23:36.720
my favorite things about this is Jimmy is just throwing

1893
01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:41.279
cassette tapes out the favorite That's.

1894
01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:42.439
What I'm going to do in your car next time.

1895
01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:44.479
I will kill you. I will kill you.

1896
01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:46.079
Yes, cassette tapes in his car.

1897
01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:48.079
Oh, I do, because I still have a cassette deck

1898
01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:51.479
in my car. So that's when we also see that

1899
01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:54.199
Frankie and Ronnie are at a burger joint and they're

1900
01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:56.000
talking about Nick is in jail. They don't know when

1901
01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:58.760
he's gonna get out, and Frankie has had enough of it,

1902
01:23:58.920 --> 01:24:01.000
so she goes to leave, and Ronnie's like, you know, hey,

1903
01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:03.439
I'm eating my burger, which she gets rubbing her face.

1904
01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:06.359
Which is so funny because I swear like she's cleaning

1905
01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:08.840
up the mess that that girl made on her. For

1906
01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:11.520
like three or four shots, it just keeps there, keeps

1907
01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:14.000
being more mao on every time they cut.

1908
01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:17.520
So that's when naturally, Nick or Morgan is driving past

1909
01:24:17.520 --> 01:24:19.560
in Nick's car. They think it's Nick. They run up

1910
01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:21.159
and they both get in the car and they're just

1911
01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:22.399
gonna go joy ride for a little bit.

1912
01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:24.560
Yeah, there's a lot of enjoy riding in this film.

1913
01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:26.439
Jimmy and Ronnie are making out in the back hard

1914
01:24:26.479 --> 01:24:29.399
core except if you zoom in on Downy's face.

1915
01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:31.520
I say making out as a no, no Downey. I

1916
01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:33.560
think they were supposed to be doing it too. Yeah,

1917
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:37.159
but he's like somewhat reticent and resistant, but then all

1918
01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:38.800
of a sudden he just kind of is like whatever.

1919
01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:41.760
Yeah, they're just laying down. She's like like modeling at his.

1920
01:24:41.840 --> 01:24:44.960
Face, fighting at his neck, and he's like occasionally gently

1921
01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:47.199
like sneaking one little kiss and then like pulling away.

1922
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:50.640
It's actually really funny, it is and strange.

1923
01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:53.000
So Morgan's like, you know what, you know, why won't

1924
01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:54.319
you give me a chance? Frankie, you know, why do

1925
01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:56.600
you like Nick? And all this stuff? And they end

1926
01:24:56.680 --> 01:24:58.920
up just having a pleasure cruise, going to Beverly Hills,

1927
01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:01.279
driving past all these nice houses, and then they eventually

1928
01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:05.319
get to a country club and that's when Jimmy is like,

1929
01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:07.119
you know, what are we gonna you know, catch off

1930
01:25:07.119 --> 01:25:08.439
and tee off. He's like, no, I think we're gonna

1931
01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:09.960
take a bite. And he's like, you know, every Friday

1932
01:25:10.039 --> 01:25:12.039
is Junior's out of these places, like it's the same thing.

1933
01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:12.880
Follow my drift.

1934
01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:15.079
The one girl when she's like, wow, look at this

1935
01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:17.560
front yard. It's here, and he goes, that's a golf course.

1936
01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:21.279
Golf course, fronny. So they go into the country club.

1937
01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:23.640
They're putting up a huge schmooze. They've got their little

1938
01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:25.319
sweaters hoped up, they got ties on.

1939
01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:26.760
One of my favorite scenes of the whole film.

1940
01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:28.960
Yeah, And they immediately are found out by the guy

1941
01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:30.479
and he just he talks his way through and he's

1942
01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:32.159
just like, oh no, no, they'll vouch for us, And

1943
01:25:32.239 --> 01:25:33.159
they sneak into the buffet.

1944
01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:36.199
He just what he does is he says like, oh,

1945
01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:38.359
I left it with my rackets and the thing. But

1946
01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:43.600
and he he starts, he just starts weaving a tapestry

1947
01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:49.079
of white people names. Well, but Linda and Carl, Carl

1948
01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:51.279
and whatever. They can vouch for me whenever when you

1949
01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:52.880
see them next, let them know I said hello, by

1950
01:25:52.920 --> 01:25:54.640
the way, because I didn't catch them today. He just

1951
01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:56.000
says all that until the guy just kind of goes

1952
01:25:56.119 --> 01:25:57.399
all right, yeah, good time.

1953
01:25:57.640 --> 01:25:59.760
So they sneak off. There's a band playing shake it

1954
01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:02.840
Up Now, and there's this whole montage at this point

1955
01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:06.439
of just jokes, just jokes happening between him schmoozing with people.

1956
01:26:06.560 --> 01:26:09.359
You've got Downy eating off this dude's plate, talking about.

1957
01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:11.680
Front of him, in front of the funniest part about

1958
01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:13.920
that was like the guy. The reason the guy's not

1959
01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:16.800
freaking out is like the food's free, Like he's just

1960
01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:18.720
you could just go get another plate. Yeah, Downey is

1961
01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:21.239
literally just taking things and eating them as he's talking.

1962
01:26:21.159 --> 01:26:22.840
Talking about you shouldn't mix these two together, you know

1963
01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:23.600
it'll be bad.

1964
01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:25.199
And then at the end of the conversation just takes

1965
01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:29.279
the play leaves him with the glass. It's it's really good.

1966
01:26:29.319 --> 01:26:33.079
Spader just is just spitting buzzwords. But my favorite is

1967
01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:35.159
what's the girl who was into Downey? What's her?

1968
01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:35.960
Ronnie?

1969
01:26:36.079 --> 01:26:39.279
Ronnie is just with these like three waspy young girls

1970
01:26:39.399 --> 01:26:43.319
and just talking about sex in the most graphic way,

1971
01:26:43.479 --> 01:26:45.039
and they're all fast.

1972
01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:47.239
And loving it and also chiming in yeah no, it's

1973
01:26:47.319 --> 01:26:48.720
it's really the best scene.

1974
01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:51.359
Swallow right, and they're all like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

1975
01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:52.960
super funny.

1976
01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:55.000
So Spader thinks they're gonna get found out, so he

1977
01:26:55.119 --> 01:26:58.039
does one more ploy, which is taking Frankie to the piano.

1978
01:26:58.119 --> 01:26:59.600
He has or sit on the piano, and then he

1979
01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:00.920
fricking sings a song.

1980
01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:01.399
Yeah.

1981
01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:05.359
Well, Art Carney's son sings a song in Spader's voice.

1982
01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:07.439
Yes, And it was a really cute scene.

1983
01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:10.000
Yeah, And you see her being won over by him.

1984
01:27:10.159 --> 01:27:12.760
And they have decent chemistry, decent chemistry, and people.

1985
01:27:12.600 --> 01:27:14.079
Are dancing with the song. The song ends and the

1986
01:27:14.079 --> 01:27:15.600
guy comes up and he's like, you've never been a

1987
01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:18.039
member here and never will be and kicks them out.

1988
01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:18.359
Yeah.

1989
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:20.000
I love that. On their way out, she takes a

1990
01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:20.840
whole lobster.

1991
01:27:20.680 --> 01:27:22.600
Takes a whole lobster down. He's caught with a freaking

1992
01:27:22.600 --> 01:27:24.399
baguett and this like a.

1993
01:27:24.439 --> 01:27:26.680
Two and a half foot long baguette and they're like, ah,

1994
01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:28.399
and they take that from him. It's really funny.

1995
01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:31.439
So they leave the country club and that's when Frankie

1996
01:27:31.600 --> 01:27:33.600
and Morgan are just kind of walking along and you

1997
01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:35.640
find out that, like Morgan's been kicked out of schools,

1998
01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:37.520
he kind of opens up to her, and Frankie emans

1999
01:27:37.520 --> 01:27:39.479
open up because like her mom passed a couple of

2000
01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:41.159
years ago because of cancer, it's just her and her

2001
01:27:41.239 --> 01:27:43.600
dad and there's not really any plan, and that's why

2002
01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:44.800
she kind of feels stuck with Nick.

2003
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:47.159
Well, she tells him her plan is to get married

2004
01:27:47.159 --> 01:27:49.600
because you don't have to finish high school to do that. Yeah,

2005
01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:51.920
and I was like, well shit, Okay.

2006
01:27:52.159 --> 01:27:54.479
So they have a really sweet scene and then we

2007
01:27:54.600 --> 01:27:56.840
get to my favorite scene of the movie. Oh yeah,

2008
01:27:56.920 --> 01:28:02.479
where we meet Jack Mac and the heart Attack. Would

2009
01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:03.560
you like to take it from here?

2010
01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:07.840
Well, I was not familiar with Jack Mac and the

2011
01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:11.199
heart Attack, but they are a I want to say,

2012
01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:12.159
eight or eleven piece.

2013
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:13.159
Yeah.

2014
01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:15.880
Well it wasn't that bad. It wasn't nine to eleven.

2015
01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:21.239
But they're a large R and B funk fusion band. Yes,

2016
01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:25.560
the guy Jack Mac, I'm guessing he has a great voice. Yes,

2017
01:28:26.119 --> 01:28:29.279
he is basically just doing Little Richard, maybe a little

2018
01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:31.319
bit of James Brown, you know, he's kind of impersonating

2019
01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:34.720
their voices. He's a good singer. But the thing that

2020
01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:36.720
blew my mind was you have an R and B

2021
01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:42.279
band doing funk pieces. Yes, not a single black guy

2022
01:28:42.319 --> 01:28:42.880
in the whole band.

2023
01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:43.239
None.

2024
01:28:43.720 --> 01:28:48.399
They have five horn players, a keyboardist. Not a single

2025
01:28:48.399 --> 01:28:49.439
black guy, not a single no.

2026
01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:49.640
No.

2027
01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:53.920
That was the whitest R and B band I've ever seen.

2028
01:28:54.000 --> 01:28:56.319
In my life. But they throw down. Oh they're they're fine,

2029
01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:58.520
they're good, but like it's just I couldn't it was.

2030
01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:02.279
It was blowing my mind because otherwise the scene is fine,

2031
01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:03.560
they're just like another day.

2032
01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:05.000
Oh yeah, you have a dance. But then you have

2033
01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:07.560
Frankie who just completely tears the place up because she's

2034
01:29:07.640 --> 01:29:10.000
leaping from table to table, going up on the bar.

2035
01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:13.279
And people are all The other thing is people are

2036
01:29:13.279 --> 01:29:16.399
all shocked. Is like this person's alive, like because everybody

2037
01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:19.119
else is just kind of eh, and she's just going berserve.

2038
01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:21.159
I think my favorite comment was this is the whitest

2039
01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:22.479
scene of the whole movie.

2040
01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:26.319
And shockingly it still is even though this this movie

2041
01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:29.439
is pretty well, yeah it's pretty, it's a pretty damn yeah.

2042
01:29:29.560 --> 01:29:31.840
So she tears up the room and again her and

2043
01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:33.720
Morgan are kind of swooning for each other. But then

2044
01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:36.640
we cut back to Nick and Nick and his gang

2045
01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:38.520
there by the car, but we also find out that

2046
01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:41.279
Frankie's dad owns a liquor store, works at a liquor store.

2047
01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:43.279
He owns it.

2048
01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:45.439
Yeah, their apartment is above it, and Nick is confronting

2049
01:29:45.479 --> 01:29:47.359
her because she's been out with Morgan and he's pissed

2050
01:29:47.479 --> 01:29:50.079
and long story short, you know, she basically tells him,

2051
01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:51.600
you know, don't be so rough with me, like you know,

2052
01:29:51.800 --> 01:29:53.920
I I say, when we're when we're gonna have sex,

2053
01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:56.720
because that's a really skivy line that's run in there.

2054
01:29:56.960 --> 01:30:00.760
Yeah, and the movie has no sense of a balance

2055
01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:04.439
of tone. Yeah, it gets really heavy, really fast. Yeah,

2056
01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:07.600
and it's it's it's whip. It gives you whiplash, but

2057
01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:10.640
not in a way that I feel is good. Yeah,

2058
01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:13.520
it more makes it absurd when it gets so serious.

2059
01:30:13.600 --> 01:30:15.600
Well, because I mean you have Nick basically go down

2060
01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:18.760
on Frankie in the most uncomfortable scene possible.

2061
01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:20.640
Yeah, it wasn't great, No, it was not.

2062
01:30:21.159 --> 01:30:23.319
But then we immediately cut to a locker room. Yeah,

2063
01:30:23.560 --> 01:30:24.479
let the good times a roll.

2064
01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:25.920
Yeah, that's a good time.

2065
01:30:26.079 --> 01:30:28.760
So Morgan's in the locker room, he's getting dressed after class.

2066
01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:31.720
The radio's playing and there's the guys around him, and

2067
01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:33.399
he asked somebody to turn up the radio. But then

2068
01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:35.720
we start to see that locks are being taken off

2069
01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:38.560
of lockers. We see keys being rolled up into towels,

2070
01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:40.399
and then the locker room slowly disperses.

2071
01:30:40.640 --> 01:30:42.560
Yeah, and then and then they start beating the hell

2072
01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:44.319
out of him. Yeah, but two of the guys have

2073
01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:46.359
no shirts on, even though they weren't even in gym

2074
01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:47.159
class or whatever.

2075
01:30:47.319 --> 01:30:50.960
Yeah, very strange, very brutal scene. It is, because they

2076
01:30:51.319 --> 01:30:53.039
wail on him and Nick even tells me, you know,

2077
01:30:53.159 --> 01:30:55.199
don't mess with my girl, like this is your one warning,

2078
01:30:55.319 --> 01:30:57.000
and even knocks him out with like a hit to

2079
01:30:57.039 --> 01:30:58.760
the face. But I mean they whip him for like

2080
01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:00.000
a solid like forty second.

2081
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:01.960
It rips his back to pieces.

2082
01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:06.119
So that is when we see that Morgan's father is

2083
01:31:06.199 --> 01:31:08.920
at home and he's with his mother, who returns with

2084
01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:09.560
some perrier.

2085
01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:11.680
Of course that was the other p Yeah, she's like

2086
01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:15.199
she's undoing the she's like unloading the groceries. Yeah, there's

2087
01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:16.600
just a huge pack of Perryer.

2088
01:31:16.760 --> 01:31:19.640
And I was like, yeah, they're they're slum and they're struggling, Yeah,

2089
01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:21.479
trying to His dad's at the table looking at his

2090
01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:23.720
real estate license book. And that's when we hear Morgan

2091
01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:25.600
come in and he doesn't say anything to his parents,

2092
01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:27.920
go straight upstairs. His dad goes up to see him

2093
01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:29.720
and he sees all the welts on him and he's like,

2094
01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:31.880
you know, I can handle it. It's not anything major,

2095
01:31:32.039 --> 01:31:33.600
you know. And that's when his dad has one of

2096
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:37.159
my favorite lines, which is, son, life is not a

2097
01:31:37.319 --> 01:31:39.760
problem to be solved, it's a mystery to be lived.

2098
01:31:40.159 --> 01:31:42.439
I actually think that's like, it's a solid line. It's

2099
01:31:42.439 --> 01:31:44.479
a pretty poetic line, especially for Tough Turf.

2100
01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:47.560
Yeah, for Tough Turf, it is definitely poetic. So that's

2101
01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:51.000
when Morgan basically decides that he is going to go

2102
01:31:51.079 --> 01:31:54.119
after Frankie again because Frankie is sitting at home and

2103
01:31:54.239 --> 01:31:56.119
she's kind of like sitting in front of her mirror,

2104
01:31:56.199 --> 01:31:58.439
like doing a whole fabulous because that's what Morgan said

2105
01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:00.920
at the club was to say fabulous. And all of

2106
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:02.840
a sudden, the radio starts playing. She goes out to

2107
01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:05.159
her window and Morgan's sitting out there with his radio.

2108
01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:07.399
Do want to say anything to her? Before say anything?

2109
01:32:07.439 --> 01:32:08.039
It even come out.

2110
01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:10.479
It wasn't holding the radio, it was yeah, And she's

2111
01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:12.920
like please stop. Yeah, and they've referenced that her boyfriend's

2112
01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:16.079
on the way, yeah, and uh yeah it's And.

2113
01:32:16.119 --> 01:32:18.159
He basically begs her for one chance. He's like, you know, hey,

2114
01:32:18.279 --> 01:32:21.119
come have dinner with me and my family tomorrow. And

2115
01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:23.479
she's like okay, I will, And just as that happens,

2116
01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:25.560
she gets it gets him out of the door because

2117
01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:27.239
he's like, oh, I'll go answer the door, like go

2118
01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:27.720
and see me.

2119
01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:29.680
Because her boyfriend's not here, he's like and he's like,

2120
01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:31.159
do you want me to answer? Yeah, which is really fun.

2121
01:32:31.279 --> 01:32:33.960
So he climbs out the window and she basically finds

2122
01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:37.239
out that Nick has asked her father for her hand

2123
01:32:37.319 --> 01:32:40.439
in marriage without asking her well, and her dad said yes.

2124
01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:43.399
Well yeah, I mean it is a traditional thing to

2125
01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:45.640
ask permission. Yeah, but yeah, they just come in.

2126
01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:47.960
He's got champagne, which she takes a swing out of

2127
01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:49.479
the bottle after being like, how do you open this?

2128
01:32:49.880 --> 01:32:53.520
Oh my gosh, and the dad's just thrilled. Yeah, he's

2129
01:32:53.600 --> 01:32:54.880
just thrilled to pieces yes.

2130
01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:59.079
So that is when the next day Morgan is at school,

2131
01:32:59.239 --> 01:33:01.119
Jimmy comes up to and he's like, you know, hey, man,

2132
01:33:01.159 --> 01:33:02.760
I fix up this bike. It's yours. It gives it

2133
01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:04.600
to him as a gift for a consolation and he's

2134
01:33:04.640 --> 01:33:06.760
like consolation for what and he's like, oh, you're so funny.

2135
01:33:07.199 --> 01:33:08.600
He finds out that they're engaged.

2136
01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.800
Yeah, he did not know, his buddy assumed because everybody

2137
01:33:11.880 --> 01:33:14.159
seemed to know. Yeah, he assumed that he knew too, So.

2138
01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:16.920
That's when he rides off on the bike through the quad,

2139
01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:20.439
getting the security guard's attention. Again, finds Frankie and confronts

2140
01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:22.079
her and he's just like, you know, you don't want

2141
01:33:22.119 --> 01:33:23.399
to do this, like you know, what are you doing?

2142
01:33:23.439 --> 01:33:24.960
And she's just like, don't worry, I'll still have dinner

2143
01:33:24.960 --> 01:33:27.840
with your family tonight, which she does. Wow, so.

2144
01:33:30.079 --> 01:33:33.800
You deserve because you mentioned it right before it started. Yeah,

2145
01:33:34.039 --> 01:33:38.680
they're eating like green beans and salad and what looks

2146
01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:43.479
like chicken nuggets and go on, No, yeah, you play

2147
01:33:43.560 --> 01:33:44.279
the fully.

2148
01:33:44.079 --> 01:33:46.439
Work on this chicken nuggets meal is some of the

2149
01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:49.520
crunchiest chicken nuggets I have ever heard in my life.

2150
01:33:49.560 --> 01:33:52.399
Every time somebody takes a bite is like the best

2151
01:33:52.560 --> 01:33:56.840
kettle chip you've ever had in sound. Yes, And all

2152
01:33:56.920 --> 01:33:58.800
I could think is I looked at their table where

2153
01:33:58.840 --> 01:34:02.159
they had wineglasses and a nice salad and these green beans.

2154
01:34:02.239 --> 01:34:04.920
Was look. I get that they're trying to save money,

2155
01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:09.640
but you know, buying frozen chicken nuggets is not much

2156
01:34:09.720 --> 01:34:11.760
cheaper than like cooking two chicken breasts. And it doesn't

2157
01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:13.840
seem like they don't know how to cook. Yes, they

2158
01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:16.960
like made all the other food. So it's really bizarre.

2159
01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:19.479
So the dinner's going well. Morgan' dressed up, his parents

2160
01:34:19.479 --> 01:34:21.840
are dressed up. They're having conversation, and that's when his

2161
01:34:21.960 --> 01:34:25.600
mother brings up to Frankie about going to see one

2162
01:34:25.600 --> 01:34:27.560
of the local gardens there that has really nice roses.

2163
01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:29.199
And he's like, you know, well, Frankie doesn't really do

2164
01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:30.520
that thing, and she's like, oh, well, if you haven't

2165
01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:32.159
been before, you know, we can we can all go.

2166
01:34:32.279 --> 01:34:34.560
You can bring your mother. Well, she likes flowers, doesn't she.

2167
01:34:35.119 --> 01:34:38.119
I mean, she's not wrong, she's not wrong. I mean people,

2168
01:34:38.479 --> 01:34:39.800
I'm sure people bring her flowers.

2169
01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:42.439
I'm sure people do bring her flower So naturally, Frankie

2170
01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:44.920
gets upset and try Morgan tries to smooth it over,

2171
01:34:45.039 --> 01:34:47.880
but she leaves. While this has happened, though, Nick and

2172
01:34:47.960 --> 01:34:50.039
his cronies have stuck up and seen her at dinner

2173
01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:53.119
with his family. Yeah, so Morgan goes to leave, and

2174
01:34:53.319 --> 01:34:55.680
that's when his dad is trying to catch him and

2175
01:34:55.800 --> 01:34:57.800
he's like, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna go figure

2176
01:34:57.840 --> 01:35:00.279
this out. Morgan goes walking off. We see taking his

2177
01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:01.760
cronies in the car and they're just like, we're gonna

2178
01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:03.560
get him now, and he's like, no, first, let's go

2179
01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:06.640
catch up with my girlfriend. So Frankie's walking across the street.

2180
01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:08.399
They pull up beside her and he's like, you know, hey,

2181
01:35:08.479 --> 01:35:09.800
you know, get in the car. We're gonna go have

2182
01:35:09.920 --> 01:35:12.359
some fun. She gets in, they share a drink, they're

2183
01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:14.239
riding out, and then they end up riding through the

2184
01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:19.600
night because Nick is looking for something specifically. Yeah, So

2185
01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:22.560
eventually Nick finds what he's looking for. The sun is

2186
01:35:22.600 --> 01:35:24.760
coming up at this point, it's late, and he's like,

2187
01:35:24.840 --> 01:35:27.880
you know, hey, Frankie, we're almost out of gas. Take

2188
01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:29.880
my watch. Go hawk it to that cat driver so

2189
01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:31.680
we'll give you some dough and then we'll, you know,

2190
01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:35.279
we'll get everything else take care of. Is that a thing, Yeah, apparently.

2191
01:35:36.079 --> 01:35:37.840
So she goes to take the watch at first, and

2192
01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:39.159
she's like, we know, I bought you this watch, and

2193
01:35:39.199 --> 01:35:40.520
he's like yeah, but you know, I wouldn't ask you

2194
01:35:40.560 --> 01:35:41.880
to you if I didn't have any money. So she

2195
01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:45.760
gets out immediately sees that the cab driver is mister Hiller. Yeah,

2196
01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:46.640
and Morgan.

2197
01:35:46.520 --> 01:35:48.239
Uses and he's like, tell me the real reason. It's

2198
01:35:48.279 --> 01:35:50.800
not because the watch. She goes over and tries to

2199
01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:53.119
warn it right out him. They start trying to beat

2200
01:35:53.159 --> 01:35:54.760
the crap out of him, but the old guy is

2201
01:35:54.880 --> 01:35:56.720
beating the shit out of that. Yes, he is a

2202
01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:59.119
great scene. He's nearing him in the crotch and slamming

2203
01:35:59.159 --> 01:36:01.880
their heads into the car. But eventually the big bad

2204
01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:02.840
boyfriend Yeah.

2205
01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:05.920
Nicko gets pushed and pulls a gun and shoots Morgan's

2206
01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:08.199
father twice in the chest and it is abrupt.

2207
01:36:08.640 --> 01:36:12.159
Yeah. No, it really feels weird. It's when the movie

2208
01:36:12.359 --> 01:36:14.800
really steps up to where it's just like, oh shit,

2209
01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:17.319
except then it goes back to its normal tone until

2210
01:36:17.359 --> 01:36:18.079
basically the end.

2211
01:36:18.119 --> 01:36:20.039
Till to the end. Yeah, because Morgan then goes to

2212
01:36:20.119 --> 01:36:22.119
visit his father at the hospital. The nurses like, you know,

2213
01:36:22.199 --> 01:36:24.960
he'll be okay, he's strong. Frankie and him cross past

2214
01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:27.279
the hospital. They end up going back to her play

2215
01:36:27.399 --> 01:36:29.560
or to his house. He tends her wounds and also

2216
01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:32.920
they end up having sex. The next morning, she goes

2217
01:36:32.960 --> 01:36:35.199
to visit his uh, her father and tells him that

2218
01:36:35.279 --> 01:36:37.479
she doesn't want to marry nick nick comes out of

2219
01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:41.079
nowhere in the freaking liquor store, charges her father, throws

2220
01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:45.279
him around, throws Frankie around, loses his fucking temper, basically

2221
01:36:45.319 --> 01:36:47.760
has Frankie call to Morgan to meet at the warehouse

2222
01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:51.399
in twenty minutes. So Morgan gets the call, he goes

2223
01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:54.680
to his drawer, gets his pellet guns or dark guns. Yeah,

2224
01:36:55.199 --> 01:36:57.119
gets stopped by his brother because his brother is like,

2225
01:36:57.159 --> 01:36:59.119
you know, hey, you know dad's doing okay. He asked

2226
01:36:59.119 --> 01:37:00.640
about you, but I want you to tell me what's

2227
01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:03.239
going on, and Morgan basically tells his brother, I'm handling it.

2228
01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:03.760
Yeah.

2229
01:37:04.199 --> 01:37:06.119
So we cut to the climax of tough Turf.

2230
01:37:06.359 --> 01:37:09.159
Yeah. And guys, if you think that it sounds like

2231
01:37:09.319 --> 01:37:12.560
abrupt the way we're describing it, we're describing it accurately, accurately.

2232
01:37:13.119 --> 01:37:16.119
So now all of a sudden, it's it's like two

2233
01:37:16.199 --> 01:37:18.159
dickcare Shy of the class of nineteen eighty four.

2234
01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:19.720
When he walks in, like I told you, it looks

2235
01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:21.920
like the final stage of a video game boss because

2236
01:37:21.920 --> 01:37:23.880
all his buddies are around him. He's got Frankie out

2237
01:37:23.920 --> 01:37:25.720
in the middle and he's holding the gun, just waiting

2238
01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:29.079
on him. Morgan sneaks into the second floor, he knocks

2239
01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:30.960
out one of the guys, drops a sign on two

2240
01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:34.159
of the guys swings in like Errol Flynn kicks Nick.

2241
01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:38.359
They get into a huge brawl. Yeah, it's it's ridiculous, it's.

2242
01:37:38.239 --> 01:37:40.079
Insane, and I mean when I say a huge brawl

2243
01:37:40.199 --> 01:37:42.319
like Their fight goes for at least five minutes, ending

2244
01:37:42.399 --> 01:37:44.640
with him grabbing a two by four with nails in it.

2245
01:37:45.079 --> 01:37:47.880
Then Morgan gets a fire axe starts chasing Nick up

2246
01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:50.880
the steps. Yes, kicks the fire axe out of his hand.

2247
01:37:50.920 --> 01:37:53.640
They get into a tussle. He knocks out, He knocks

2248
01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:56.119
out Nick and like he's bloody, he's looking like ravage

2249
01:37:56.119 --> 01:37:58.279
at this point. He looks at it, Frankie. Frankie's okay.

2250
01:37:58.720 --> 01:38:01.720
Nick sneaks up, He knox Nick off the balcony, who

2251
01:38:01.760 --> 01:38:04.479
plumb its second floor down, lands on a sign, looks

2252
01:38:04.479 --> 01:38:07.800
at Frankie. End of the movie, so we think, except we.

2253
01:38:07.920 --> 01:38:10.399
Cut back to the club and Jack back in The

2254
01:38:10.439 --> 01:38:15.039
Heart Attack is playing, and everybody, basically everybody except his

2255
01:38:15.279 --> 01:38:18.239
dad and the boys. Yeah the movies, because they're all

2256
01:38:18.279 --> 01:38:22.960
effectively dead. Yeah, they all are just hanging out having

2257
01:38:22.960 --> 01:38:25.159
a good time listening to Jack mcad.

2258
01:38:25.039 --> 01:38:26.800
Jack mack and theheart Hey is that the same girl

2259
01:38:26.840 --> 01:38:28.800
from last time? Everybody move out of the way yea

2260
01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:33.439
the credits play, and that is nineteen eighty five's tough to.

2261
01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:36.119
And no one that got hurt or no one that

2262
01:38:36.279 --> 01:38:42.720
mattered got hurt, And my god, so I I they

2263
01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:45.840
tried to make the villain, they tried to make him

2264
01:38:45.920 --> 01:38:46.840
worth getting killed.

2265
01:38:46.840 --> 01:38:48.000
Oh yeah, but they didn't do.

2266
01:38:48.039 --> 01:38:52.319
A very good job. No, they could have. They could really,

2267
01:38:52.359 --> 01:38:54.720
What what the movie was missing was just a few

2268
01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:57.600
scenes of them just doing some crime. Yeah, like because

2269
01:38:57.600 --> 01:39:00.119
they opened with them seeming like they do crime crime ye,

2270
01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:01.680
but then all of a sudden they're not. Like they

2271
01:39:01.720 --> 01:39:04.159
could add one scene where like they mug a guy

2272
01:39:04.399 --> 01:39:06.520
and like think they killed him and they leave him

2273
01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:08.479
there so that you know he's capable of murder. Yeah,

2274
01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:10.680
that could have. But but the movie really feels like

2275
01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:14.439
like maybe two movies, maybe even three, yeah, that are

2276
01:39:14.520 --> 01:39:18.239
just kind of stitched together. So it really is jarring.

2277
01:39:18.319 --> 01:39:20.840
And the violence is not jarring in a way that

2278
01:39:21.640 --> 01:39:24.760
makes you appreciate how violent it is. The violence is

2279
01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:27.159
jarring as you're like, wait, what did I miss something

2280
01:39:27.239 --> 01:39:28.119
that makes this make sense?

2281
01:39:28.159 --> 01:39:30.079
I mean, I forgot to also mention that Jimmy shows

2282
01:39:30.159 --> 01:39:32.239
up at the final fight with two dogs that attack

2283
01:39:32.359 --> 01:39:34.159
the two gang members and he also gets shot in

2284
01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:34.439
the leg.

2285
01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:36.560
It's freaking out of its mind and he shows up

2286
01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:39.000
at the club club with the cast on his leg.

2287
01:39:39.439 --> 01:39:42.960
So I can see why people love it. Yeah, because

2288
01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:46.560
it is really wacky and fun. It is, it's silly.

2289
01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:50.119
The thing that threw me was just that the seriousness

2290
01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:54.359
was definitely all over the place. There was, like I said,

2291
01:39:54.399 --> 01:39:56.279
it didn't feel like there was much cohesion. Yeah, that

2292
01:39:56.399 --> 01:39:58.800
was the big problem, But that doesn't mean it wasn't

2293
01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:03.840
like a wacky rock The nostalgia was really fun. But yeah,

2294
01:40:04.600 --> 01:40:07.720
and honestly, how out of touch it is. It is

2295
01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:11.479
so like it's funny because New World's an indie company

2296
01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:13.560
sort of, but like it really felt like a bunch

2297
01:40:13.600 --> 01:40:18.079
of old white guys got together and said, Okay, we're

2298
01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:20.920
making this. You know, because at least Golden and Globus

2299
01:40:20.960 --> 01:40:23.439
over at Canon when they were making break In, at

2300
01:40:23.520 --> 01:40:25.279
least they could admit they were like, we know nothing

2301
01:40:25.359 --> 01:40:28.199
about this, we throw money at it. We are from Israel,

2302
01:40:28.399 --> 01:40:31.319
you know. So that's why break In works so well

2303
01:40:31.399 --> 01:40:33.479
is because they just kind of went fine fine until

2304
01:40:33.479 --> 01:40:35.479
two because two was where they meddled.

2305
01:40:35.560 --> 01:40:39.880
They meddled a bit, so yeah, so no budget given unfortunately, shocker.

2306
01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:42.439
If I had to guess, i'd say about four four

2307
01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:42.800
to six.

2308
01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:43.920
I was like six to seven.

2309
01:40:44.039 --> 01:40:46.720
Yeah, maybe that's a little it feels a little high

2310
01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:48.000
for that movie, but yeah. Yeah.

2311
01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:51.439
Opening weekend US Canada which is January thirteenth, nineteen eighty five,

2312
01:40:51.600 --> 01:40:53.960
one million, five hundred and nine dollars taken in not

2313
01:40:54.079 --> 01:40:57.199
a terrible opening, grossing worldwide nine million, three hundred and

2314
01:40:57.239 --> 01:40:58.199
sixty nine thousand dollars.

2315
01:40:58.640 --> 01:41:01.640
I'm sure it wasn't their biggest washing. They might have

2316
01:41:01.680 --> 01:41:03.359
even made a little bit on that, that's possible.

2317
01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:06.159
Yeah. Reportedly, the movie was written in three weeks, with

2318
01:41:06.279 --> 01:41:08.840
and filming completed in four weeks. According to an article

2319
01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:11.359
published in the eleventh January nineteen eighty five issue of

2320
01:41:11.359 --> 01:41:14.920
the Los Angeles Times newspaper, the period of principal photography

2321
01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:17.000
on this picture was a production shoot that ran for

2322
01:41:17.079 --> 01:41:19.439
about a month in nineteen eighty four, between early mid

2323
01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:23.840
July and early mid August. Hum opening titles done after

2324
01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:28.079
principal photography was done, dark noirsh environment and had Santa

2325
01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:31.119
Monica stolen shots. Basically, so they were riding around Santa

2326
01:41:31.159 --> 01:41:33.479
Monica and they were stopped by the police twice. Of course,

2327
01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:37.119
they did it with no no lights, only the cameras,

2328
01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:38.840
so they was all natural light that they filmed that

2329
01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:39.279
opening with.

2330
01:41:39.720 --> 01:41:40.119
Of course.

2331
01:41:40.239 --> 01:41:42.960
Yeah, I believe that opening sequence was influenced by Once

2332
01:41:43.039 --> 01:41:45.000
Upon a Time in the West, a calm situation growing

2333
01:41:45.039 --> 01:41:45.600
out of control.

2334
01:41:45.760 --> 01:41:48.000
Okay, yeah, I could see that editor.

2335
01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:50.760
Mark Grossman had worked with the director previously on commercials

2336
01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:52.920
and was pulled into the project due to their work history.

2337
01:41:53.640 --> 01:41:54.680
Oh m okay.

2338
01:41:55.199 --> 01:41:58.199
First theatrical feature film in top build role for James Spader.

2339
01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:01.279
Downey originally audition for the role of Morgan, but it

2340
01:42:01.359 --> 01:42:03.159
was said that one look at the smile made it

2341
01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:04.880
clear that he was perfect as the best friend.

2342
01:42:05.159 --> 01:42:07.079
Well, real quick, I want to mention yea, because I

2343
01:42:07.159 --> 01:42:09.840
mentioned I think Breacin is the perfect example of what

2344
01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:12.760
happens when like there's a slick Hollywood movie but it

2345
01:42:12.800 --> 01:42:16.439
actually has a little bit more bite. Yeah. Breacin one

2346
01:42:16.479 --> 01:42:19.399
point two million dollar budget, made thirty eight point seven

2347
01:42:19.479 --> 01:42:21.960
million dollars for the box office. It was a huge. Yeah,

2348
01:42:21.960 --> 01:42:24.720
it was, so I just wanted to like, that's kind

2349
01:42:24.760 --> 01:42:27.560
of the difference. But Breacin is loved for very different

2350
01:42:27.640 --> 01:42:30.279
reasons than Tough Turf is tough. Turf is love for

2351
01:42:30.479 --> 01:42:34.319
how wacky, disjointed and often bizarre it is. I is.

2352
01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:35.399
I think that has value.

2353
01:42:35.800 --> 01:42:38.000
Due to the staging of the Los Angeles Summer Olympics

2354
01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:40.760
during mid nineteen eighty four, the filmmakers had to relocate

2355
01:42:40.840 --> 01:42:43.319
its filming locations. As such, the production moved to other

2356
01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:46.199
sites in La in California, which included Resita and San

2357
01:42:46.279 --> 01:42:50.319
Fernando Valley. Robert Downey Junior became good friends with James

2358
01:42:50.319 --> 01:42:52.840
Spader and even named his cat Jimmy in honor of him.

2359
01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:55.119
They would appear together again in Less Than Zero in

2360
01:42:55.159 --> 01:42:57.880
nineteen eighty seven and Avengers Age of Ultron in twenty fifteen.

2361
01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:00.239
Oh yeah, where they were. Yeah they were both. They're

2362
01:43:00.279 --> 01:43:02.880
both really getting those big fat paychecks. Yeah. I always

2363
01:43:02.920 --> 01:43:04.119
forget Spader was ultrott.

2364
01:43:04.239 --> 01:43:08.119
Yeah, yes he was. James Spader's merely lip syncing during

2365
01:43:08.199 --> 01:43:10.159
the piano scene. The song We Walked the Night is

2366
01:43:10.199 --> 01:43:12.279
performed by Paul Karney, one of the sons of actor

2367
01:43:12.399 --> 01:43:15.479
Art Carney. The band in the movie The Jim Carroll Band.

2368
01:43:15.520 --> 01:43:18.520
Front man Jim Carroll wrote the Basketball Diaries nineteen seventy

2369
01:43:18.560 --> 01:43:20.800
eight that detailed his teenage drug Years and was later

2370
01:43:20.880 --> 01:43:22.800
made into the movie of the same name with DiCaprio.

2371
01:43:23.239 --> 01:43:24.960
The band also has a song on the soundtrack of

2372
01:43:25.039 --> 01:43:27.000
Tough Turf which was People Who Died, which is only

2373
01:43:27.039 --> 01:43:27.800
available on that.

2374
01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:30.840
Soundtrack, and then it got used in the suicide squat

2375
01:43:30.920 --> 01:43:35.159
So clearly, mister James Gun, big Fan and Tough Turf.

2376
01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:37.680
He must be Nick and his gang. Stealing the car

2377
01:43:37.720 --> 01:43:39.520
and joy riding down the street was an homage to

2378
01:43:39.520 --> 01:43:40.239
Clockwork Orange.

2379
01:43:40.680 --> 01:43:41.199
I believe that.

2380
01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:43.760
Yeah. The original ending in the script had Morgan and

2381
01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:46.840
Jimmy taking the SATs and Morgan talking Frankie into taking

2382
01:43:46.920 --> 01:43:49.159
them too, after she quips she isn't smart enough.

2383
01:43:51.119 --> 01:43:53.039
That would have made the movie even more bizarre if

2384
01:43:53.039 --> 01:43:54.960
they had like land they had then stuck the landing

2385
01:43:55.000 --> 01:43:56.880
of like and now We're all going to college. Yeah.

2386
01:43:57.319 --> 01:43:59.199
A body double was used for the nude scene with

2387
01:43:59.279 --> 01:44:02.800
Kim Richards, who was playing the Frankie Croyden character. The

2388
01:44:02.920 --> 01:44:05.199
scene with the bike, A certain type of blocking was

2389
01:44:05.319 --> 01:44:07.720
used to make the viewer feel as disoriented as Morgan

2390
01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:09.760
is all that's taking place within the scene.

2391
01:44:10.079 --> 01:44:11.039
Okay, I can see that.

2392
01:44:11.319 --> 01:44:14.119
Due to scheduled demolition, the scene had to be shot

2393
01:44:14.159 --> 01:44:15.920
out in one day as they were going to lose

2394
01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:17.039
the location site.

2395
01:44:17.720 --> 01:44:18.520
I believe that too.

2396
01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:22.199
By the color transitions were used to signify the ending

2397
01:44:22.279 --> 01:44:24.920
of story points, because remember, there's a faded red, a

2398
01:44:24.960 --> 01:44:25.439
fade to white.

2399
01:44:25.479 --> 01:44:27.600
Yeah, there is all jokes.

2400
01:44:27.680 --> 01:44:29.600
The country club were done as pickup shots on a

2401
01:44:29.680 --> 01:44:32.159
set built weeks later from the interior of the club.

2402
01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:34.600
Oh, okay, great scenes.

2403
01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:36.880
The director does not like the scene with Spader at

2404
01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:39.079
the piano because he feels it came off too serious

2405
01:44:39.159 --> 01:44:41.199
and takes impact out of the following scene where Frankie

2406
01:44:41.239 --> 01:44:42.119
opens up about her mother.

2407
01:44:43.119 --> 01:44:45.199
Too serious, I mean fair enough.

2408
01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:48.239
Yeah, daylight is apparent and night scenes with Nick driving.

2409
01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:50.960
The director commented that it was due to the fact

2410
01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:52.560
that you it was a light you couldn't change. It

2411
01:44:52.680 --> 01:44:54.600
was just daylight back then. This is also due to

2412
01:44:54.640 --> 01:44:56.359
the fact that most night shoots of the film would

2413
01:44:56.399 --> 01:44:58.000
start at night and go until sunrise.

2414
01:44:58.399 --> 01:44:59.399
Yeah, I mean that happens.

2415
01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:02.079
Col and camera stops really led to the impact of

2416
01:45:02.119 --> 01:45:04.600
Morgan's father getting shot. The director and the editor worked

2417
01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:06.159
for that on a week In editing.

2418
01:45:06.840 --> 01:45:08.439
Okay, I believe that too. There are a lot of

2419
01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:12.640
really interesting kinetic edits, especially to the soundtrack.

2420
01:45:12.720 --> 01:45:15.319
Oh yeah, yeah. Spader pulled his intensity for the hospital

2421
01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:18.159
scene from uh for JD's portray and Rebel without a

2422
01:45:18.239 --> 01:45:20.960
Cause that was basically his inspiration was the scene. I

2423
01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:22.479
guess his father dies in that movie. I haven't seen

2424
01:45:22.520 --> 01:45:23.479
Rebel without a Cause in forever.

2425
01:45:23.720 --> 01:45:24.399
Oh yeah yeah.

2426
01:45:24.960 --> 01:45:27.760
The final fight sequence was the most choreographed action sequence

2427
01:45:27.840 --> 01:45:31.199
of the entire film, and finally the movie ran out

2428
01:45:31.239 --> 01:45:33.560
of money for the story art conclusion with its characters,

2429
01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:35.920
the director decided to end the film with a return

2430
01:45:36.039 --> 01:45:37.760
to Jack Mack in the heart attack. With the budget

2431
01:45:37.840 --> 01:45:38.880
remaining well.

2432
01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:41.319
I guess Jack Mack was willing to work at a discount.

2433
01:45:41.520 --> 01:45:44.479
Yeah, So, what are your final thoughts on nineteen eighty

2434
01:45:44.560 --> 01:45:45.399
five's Tough Turf.

2435
01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:51.840
I would have to say, Wow, it's a nutsoyed movie. Yeah,

2436
01:45:51.880 --> 01:45:54.600
really fun. I would give it a stream at okay,

2437
01:45:55.039 --> 01:45:57.039
but with a lot of love. And if you're if

2438
01:45:57.119 --> 01:46:01.239
you love just the weirdo nine eighties yeah era, then

2439
01:46:01.279 --> 01:46:04.680
it's a rented because that is such a strange, it's

2440
01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:09.239
such an odd ball, really fun. Spader's great even though

2441
01:46:09.359 --> 01:46:11.000
no matter how young he has, he has a forty

2442
01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:14.840
eight year old's face. It's expression, not not anything else,

2443
01:46:15.159 --> 01:46:17.479
But I liked it. It was cool to see a

2444
01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:20.399
lot of young of those actors being young. A lot

2445
01:46:20.439 --> 01:46:22.800
of the side characters were people who became very big

2446
01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:25.319
character actors in other films, So it was a lot

2447
01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:28.560
of fun. But the whole concept that this is the

2448
01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:31.720
Tough Turf is the part that just makes the movie

2449
01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:34.000
feel kind of like a fever dream. Sometimes it does.

2450
01:46:34.119 --> 01:46:35.680
Yeah, it's a stream it for me as well. This

2451
01:46:35.880 --> 01:46:38.279
is definitely a acquired taste movie.

2452
01:46:38.439 --> 01:46:38.680
It is.

2453
01:46:38.920 --> 01:46:40.680
It is, like I said, what is probably going to

2454
01:46:40.720 --> 01:46:44.479
be a cult classic. It's one movie that you really

2455
01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:47.640
have to see if you're curious about the infamy of

2456
01:46:47.760 --> 01:46:50.119
Tough Turf. But it's not a must watch. This is

2457
01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:51.640
definitely for a select crowd.

2458
01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:54.199
I like that you rate it as a stream it

2459
01:46:54.279 --> 01:46:55.560
when you own it on Blue Red.

2460
01:46:55.720 --> 01:46:58.760
God damn right, I do say, And I own the

2461
01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:02.079
soundtrack on vinyl and casset. Of course you do, goddamn right, So.

2462
01:47:02.199 --> 01:47:04.159
Real quick, yes, sir, you want to check in with

2463
01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:06.359
old Roger Ebert? I would love to check in with

2464
01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:09.720
see see what mister Ebert has has to say about

2465
01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:10.159
this film.

2466
01:47:10.159 --> 01:47:11.159
I bet it's not nice.

2467
01:47:11.319 --> 01:47:13.960
Oh well, we'll find out. I mean, you know, Ebert's

2468
01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:16.520
from Chicago and they're known for some tough turf, so

2469
01:47:16.760 --> 01:47:18.239
maybe maybe he'll know something.

2470
01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:19.520
Let's find out.

2471
01:47:20.039 --> 01:47:22.600
Tough Turf is a real confused movie part of the time.

2472
01:47:22.640 --> 01:47:24.520
I guess it wants to be rebel without a cause,

2473
01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:27.840
with James Spader being so agonized and so hung up

2474
01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:29.640
that he can hardly even bother to be able to

2475
01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:32.319
say anything, which is just as well because the dialogue

2476
01:47:32.359 --> 01:47:35.159
is so bad time. It's like a beach party movie.

2477
01:47:35.199 --> 01:47:37.880
Everybody's gonna go down and to the old country close.

2478
01:47:38.479 --> 01:47:41.560
And this was before the movie wants to be the

2479
01:47:41.680 --> 01:47:44.439
warriors with lots of chains and guns and knife and bloodshed.

2480
01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:48.079
And the amazing thing is none of this stuff works.

2481
01:47:48.279 --> 01:47:49.520
This is bad.

2482
01:47:49.640 --> 01:47:52.880
It doesn't even know how to spell tough right. Half

2483
01:47:52.920 --> 01:47:54.560
a song, I'm Roger Ebert.

2484
01:47:55.439 --> 01:47:59.760
Damn Ebert. Alright, then Ebert, you you are a goat.

2485
01:47:59.840 --> 01:48:00.359
That's fair.

2486
01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:02.920
That was quite you know what, at least that was

2487
01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:05.319
thought out. Yeah, it didn't have a take that made

2488
01:48:05.399 --> 01:48:05.960
no sense.

2489
01:48:06.119 --> 01:48:08.520
Yeah, he did call it the worst teen exploitation film

2490
01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:09.840
of that year of that year.

2491
01:48:09.880 --> 01:48:12.039
Well that's quite the quite the praise.

2492
01:48:12.199 --> 01:48:13.399
So we always like to end the show with a

2493
01:48:13.439 --> 01:48:16.560
couple recommendations. I have two this week, starting with another

2494
01:48:16.680 --> 01:48:19.039
return to Spader, which is one I cannot recommend enough.

2495
01:48:19.199 --> 01:48:21.720
Nineteen eighty five's The New Kids, which is currently available

2496
01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:24.520
on two B and Prime. Talk about a wild ride

2497
01:48:24.600 --> 01:48:29.239
fucking insane. Yeah. Newly orphaned siblings Abby and Lauren McWilliams

2498
01:48:29.319 --> 01:48:31.600
arrive in small Florida town to help their aunt Fay

2499
01:48:31.640 --> 01:48:33.800
and uncle Charlie run a family own amusement park. They

2500
01:48:33.880 --> 01:48:35.960
soon find out the town is terrorized by a local

2501
01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:38.680
street gang who is led by James Spader in that movie.

2502
01:48:38.840 --> 01:48:42.960
Yeah, is a crazy, crazy film. I can't recommend enough. Yeah,

2503
01:48:43.039 --> 01:48:45.760
and uh yeah, that movie is just out of its mind.

2504
01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:47.520
It is out of its mind. And my other recommendation,

2505
01:48:47.560 --> 01:48:49.720
which I think is one I've recommended before, but perfect

2506
01:48:49.720 --> 01:48:52.560
phil for this one. Nineteen eighty four Savage Streets starring

2507
01:48:52.600 --> 01:48:55.960
Linda Blair Brenda, vivacious leader of the Satins, a fun

2508
01:48:56.039 --> 01:48:58.399
loving group of pretty high school girls, searches for deadly

2509
01:48:58.479 --> 01:49:00.520
vengeance against the gang members who was so her deaf

2510
01:49:00.640 --> 01:49:03.479
mute sister. This one is I wouldn't say so much

2511
01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:05.520
of a fun movie. It's got some very rough moments

2512
01:49:05.560 --> 01:49:06.760
to it, which I think I've said before.

2513
01:49:06.880 --> 01:49:07.920
Yeah, I would have to agree.

2514
01:49:08.119 --> 01:49:10.560
Also, it's not very easy to find. You can get

2515
01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:12.239
a Blu Ray if you're lucky, but as far as

2516
01:49:12.279 --> 01:49:14.439
streaming goes, I will say that there is a popular

2517
01:49:14.520 --> 01:49:16.720
video hosting site that does have it up its entirety

2518
01:49:16.840 --> 01:49:18.840
right now. That's the best place you're gonna find it

2519
01:49:18.920 --> 01:49:21.520
right now. So what'd you pick?

2520
01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:25.840
When I was thinking about what to pick, I was

2521
01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:28.439
torn because initially I was thinking, what are some films

2522
01:49:28.479 --> 01:49:29.439
that remind me of this?

2523
01:49:29.720 --> 01:49:30.760
Yeah, and that would be some.

2524
01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:33.960
Ridiculous shit like Malibu High that I love but that's

2525
01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:37.159
out of its mind, yes, or Massacre at Central High

2526
01:49:37.279 --> 01:49:41.039
anothery're out of its mind but really fun. But then

2527
01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:45.239
I started thinking not just about movies, but about my

2528
01:49:45.399 --> 01:49:48.279
roots and the fact that I grew up in a

2529
01:49:48.359 --> 01:49:53.199
pretty tough turf. Yeah, and I started thinking, you know

2530
01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:55.600
what I would teem this movie with to just to

2531
01:49:55.640 --> 01:49:58.520
give a proper palette cleanser, to give some real understanding.

2532
01:49:58.680 --> 01:50:02.479
Oh tell me of that kind of world. You're gonna

2533
01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:07.439
be surprised. But nineteen eighty eights stand and deliver shit. Yeah, Yeah,

2534
01:50:07.680 --> 01:50:11.920
Ramon Mendez is in my opinion. Masterpiece starring Edward James

2535
01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:16.000
Almost and lou Diamond Phillips. Yes, the story Ofjme Escalante,

2536
01:50:16.279 --> 01:50:19.800
a high school teacher who successfully inspired his dropout prone

2537
01:50:19.880 --> 01:50:21.720
students to learn calculus.

2538
01:50:21.800 --> 01:50:22.800
Wait to cover that on the show.

2539
01:50:22.960 --> 01:50:26.039
It's one of my favorite films. I love it. I

2540
01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:28.840
haven't revisited in forever, but I remember the impact it

2541
01:50:28.920 --> 01:50:31.239
had on me. I grew up with a lot of kids.

2542
01:50:31.279 --> 01:50:32.720
I mean, I ended up being a dropout, but not

2543
01:50:32.840 --> 01:50:35.520
for the reasons. A lot of my eighth grade teacher

2544
01:50:35.600 --> 01:50:37.520
showed that movie to us in school. That's how I

2545
01:50:37.560 --> 01:50:39.439
saw it. Oh, it's a good movie to watch in school.

2546
01:50:39.439 --> 01:50:39.960
It's fantastic.

2547
01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:43.680
It's a great film. So that's my recommendation, stand and deliver,

2548
01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:45.800
which I don't think you can, really you can. It's

2549
01:50:45.920 --> 01:50:47.159
just for rent on Amazon Alage.

2550
01:50:47.159 --> 01:50:49.319
You just got a blue ray release from Warner Archive.

2551
01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:51.479
I saw it because I want to get it at

2552
01:50:51.520 --> 01:50:51.840
some point.

2553
01:50:51.960 --> 01:50:54.600
Yeah, definitely worth it. So do we have any emails

2554
01:50:54.640 --> 01:50:54.960
this week?

2555
01:50:55.119 --> 01:50:55.239
Oh?

2556
01:50:55.399 --> 01:50:56.199
My goodness, we do?

2557
01:50:56.439 --> 01:50:56.800
Oh we do.

2558
01:50:57.199 --> 01:51:00.960
We actually got some this afternoon. Oh baby, both of them.

2559
01:51:01.039 --> 01:51:03.560
Well it's two emails. It's a two part email, so

2560
01:51:04.119 --> 01:51:07.079
but it's from our buddy, wolf Dan the first one.

2561
01:51:07.359 --> 01:51:12.960
The subject line is just Twilight slash Kristin Stewart, he says, Enrique,

2562
01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:15.800
if you're serious about getting Twilight for David's birthday, Walmart

2563
01:51:15.880 --> 01:51:18.520
has the five movie collection for pretty cheap. I have

2564
01:51:18.720 --> 01:51:20.840
all of them in my voodoo and Kristen makes a

2565
01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:24.079
damn hot vampire. He is very in love with Kristin

2566
01:51:24.119 --> 01:51:27.880
stewart'm aw as for on the road. Anyone who is

2567
01:51:27.960 --> 01:51:30.159
waiting for Kristin Stewart to be nude in a movie

2568
01:51:30.479 --> 01:51:35.520
will not be disappointed, And then continued in this next email,

2569
01:51:35.880 --> 01:51:40.199
I would probably be considered a twyhard Lol. I turned

2570
01:51:40.239 --> 01:51:42.319
my wife onto the series when I saw a Twilight

2571
01:51:42.399 --> 01:51:45.159
poster with Kristin Stewart. I've always been a fan of hers.

2572
01:51:45.359 --> 01:51:46.960
By the way, if I didn't mention it in the

2573
01:51:47.000 --> 01:51:49.960
previous email, if you get Dave the collection, I'll request

2574
01:51:50.079 --> 01:51:52.000
you guys cover it laughing crying.

2575
01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:53.000
Emoji never happening.

2576
01:51:53.199 --> 01:51:55.520
Oh, come on, do you even movie? I had to

2577
01:51:55.880 --> 01:51:59.720
loll so thank you very much, wolf Dan. Yes, and

2578
01:52:00.119 --> 01:52:01.760
if you guys want to email us, all you have

2579
01:52:01.840 --> 01:52:04.439
to do is send a little message to do you

2580
01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:09.640
even movie Pod at gmail dot com. Yes, that's dooevenmoviepod

2581
01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:12.079
at gmail dot com or go to dooevenmovie dot com

2582
01:52:12.359 --> 01:52:14.439
for all the information about us and if you love

2583
01:52:14.479 --> 01:52:18.439
what we're doing here again March first. On Saturday, March first,

2584
01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:21.399
we'll be doing a live stream from noon to probably midnight,

2585
01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:24.159
and you can find all the information and set yourself

2586
01:52:24.199 --> 01:52:27.079
a reminder on YouTube by going to Weeklyspooky dot com

2587
01:52:27.520 --> 01:52:31.039
slash live. And if you love what we're doing, also,

2588
01:52:31.720 --> 01:52:33.760
if you're watching us on YouTube, leave a like.

2589
01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:34.039
Yes.

2590
01:52:34.159 --> 01:52:36.199
If you're watching us on or listening to us on

2591
01:52:36.279 --> 01:52:38.920
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2592
01:52:38.960 --> 01:52:42.039
It really does help the show out. Tell a friend, subscribe,

2593
01:52:42.159 --> 01:52:45.560
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The turf, my friends,

2594
01:52:46.079 --> 01:52:48.720
just is not that tough.

2595
01:52:49.159 --> 01:52:52.319
So, speaking of tough turf, as we close out February,

2596
01:52:52.359 --> 01:52:54.199
would you like to know what we are doing for

2597
01:52:54.279 --> 01:52:56.279
our March theme and what our first movie is going?

2598
01:52:56.479 --> 01:52:58.079
Yes, because I'm actually I think this is going to

2599
01:52:58.119 --> 01:53:00.920
be really interesting because most people probably don't know these movies.

2600
01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:04.680
They probably at all. So if if you were a

2601
01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:07.520
fan of Hulu during the Dark Times.

2602
01:53:07.439 --> 01:53:08.239
Was it was it covid?

2603
01:53:08.600 --> 01:53:10.760
It was pre covid pre COVID. Okay, there was a

2604
01:53:10.840 --> 01:53:13.840
Blumhouse series that was uh, I want to say it

2605
01:53:13.840 --> 01:53:15.600
was released twenty nineteen. Yeah, I think you're right.

2606
01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:17.680
Yeah, I think I think it ended during COVID.

2607
01:53:17.800 --> 01:53:19.920
Yeah, twenty eighteen was the first dropt because it was Halloween.

2608
01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:22.439
And then Yeah, so twenty eighteen they started a series

2609
01:53:22.479 --> 01:53:25.800
called Into the Dark, and this was a two season

2610
01:53:25.920 --> 01:53:28.680
series that basically focused on little short films that revolved

2611
01:53:28.680 --> 01:53:29.000
throughout the.

2612
01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:31.199
They were feature like feature there were eighty one to

2613
01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:33.880
ninety three minutes. Yeah, but it was an anthology of

2614
01:53:34.000 --> 01:53:35.600
feature films made by Blumhouse.

2615
01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:38.119
Yeah, and all horror based around the holidays. We are

2616
01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:41.800
going to be marching into the Dark for March and

2617
01:53:41.920 --> 01:53:45.239
kicking it off with twenty nineteen's Down, which is two

2618
01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:48.960
co workers find themselves stranded in an elevator over Valentine's

2619
01:53:49.039 --> 01:53:51.800
Day weekend, and it's a really, really good one.

2620
01:53:51.960 --> 01:53:54.039
There were some that weren't awesome. Yeah, there were some

2621
01:53:54.159 --> 01:53:55.800
that were just kind of fun. There were very in

2622
01:53:55.920 --> 01:53:58.079
might opinion, only a few that really were dogs. Yeah,

2623
01:53:58.439 --> 01:54:00.600
and but there were several that were really great. So

2624
01:54:00.680 --> 01:54:04.239
we're gonna dive into our favorite episodes as into the Dark.

2625
01:54:04.600 --> 01:54:06.279
We're gonna talk all about them.

2626
01:54:06.359 --> 01:54:07.880
All of them available on Hulu still.

2627
01:54:08.039 --> 01:54:10.359
Yeah, and we'll even talk about some of our honorable

2628
01:54:10.399 --> 01:54:12.880
mentions as film. It'll be a lot of fun. So

2629
01:54:13.359 --> 01:54:16.119
make sure you're subscribed on your favorite podcasting app or

2630
01:54:16.199 --> 01:54:20.039
on YouTube, because we'll be back here and we'll be

2631
01:54:20.159 --> 01:54:21.079
talking all about them.

2632
01:54:21.279 --> 01:54:23.079
Yes, it's gonna be a great time, all right.

2633
01:54:23.199 --> 01:54:26.000
So I guess all that's left to be said is

2634
01:54:26.319 --> 01:54:31.039
we will indeed see you next Tuesday, assuming the turf

2635
01:54:31.199 --> 01:54:33.359
is not so tough exactly, and those streets are not

2636
01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:35.960
so savage, and all nine of those funk musicians are

2637
01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:37.479
white guys. See guy