The Ref (1994) - A Darkly Hilarious Christmas Comedy with Denis Leary

0:00 I have a gun. It's loaded and shut up. There are a couples at the end of their Americans. We haven't had sex scene in quite a while. Why do. These you want to have sex with? At the end of his room? Dennis Leary? What's that? It doesn't feel like anything? An sneak preview This Friday. In a world where podcasts reigned supreme, two friends dare to ask.

0:42 Do You Even? Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie officionado David Denyer. Spoiler alert, Hello, my friends, and welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? I am your host, Enrique Kuto here with my buddy double D David Denier. Holidays, Happy holidays. Indeed smell Captains, I.

1:24 Do not smell catis. Ah a reference to the movie we are watching tonight or we're talking about tonight? We already watched Tonight as part of the second film in our holiday deluge. Yes, and but before we get to that, I just want to tell you I'm I'm I'm I'm a little hurt. You're hurt by your action, my actions of what well. I recently had my second cold of the year. Yes, yes you did, and I'm still last week, you could hear how basy I sounded. Now I'm completely unsick and congested, and I'm hacking stuff up all day long. It's honestly one of my favorite hobbies. But I'm just a little sad because, you know, the last time I got sick, we both were sick and we could not we couldn't figure out who gave who the illness. Yeah, because we saw each other on Sunday and Tuesday and Friday, yeah I think it was, and we were sitting or something like that. It was Friday, Sunday, Tuesday, so like there was just no way to know who was the first ill person. But that means there's a fifty to fifty chance you gave me that illness and then you didn't get sick from my being ill, which is not cool.

2:45 I don't appreciate you opting out. If I can bring my complaint to this chat. I have chapped lips for the first time, and God knows how fucking. Long well, Lord knows what you've been doing with those damn things. Legitimately, Like I have berts what is it a beeswax? Bees wax? Yeah, Birt's bees wax in my pocket right now because I've not had chapped lips. And I don't know how long, even in the winter, even in the winter. Most people wear chapstick in the wind winter. Yeah, and I cannot tell you literally the last time that I got chapped lips to this degree where it's just like I woke up and knew that I had chap lips, Like I can feel them all the time now. And that's my problem. I know, it's it's so awful, but yeah, you uh, you've been sick for a bit now.

3:31 Well, the problem is when you have like a problem with your throat, yeah, and then you talk five hours a day, it doesn't tend to get better. No, even if the rest of you gets better, the throat stays in rough shape. Yeah, So that's what I've been dealing with. I used to think that your your voice got you know, that kind of baritoninus when you were sick. I used to think it was because of like of congestion and and and phlam flam flow for those listening on headphones flam. But it turns out and and everybody's gonna be like, no shit, But I didn't know this. It's actually because your vocal cords are swollen. So they're physically bigger. Yeah, so they make more bass because of the size of them, and it's awful and it doesn't get better if you talk hours a day.

4:31 Yeah. So you really don't have a way around that. Well, in October it was pretty bad, and now in December we're running a ton of bonus shows at weekly spooky. Yeah. So it has been a journey. This weekend, I had to record like the least amount I could get away with and try resting my voice and I'm just now about to my normal level of bass. Uh No, I don't get sick a lot. This one was definitely Rachel's fault. She she gave me this ill listen after not getting sick the last time I was sick, yeah, which was extra week. She like lived in the same house and never got sick, never got sick. But this go around, it has not been a good time.

5:11 It has not we even we even had to miss our Thanksgiving marathon, but we made up for it this past Sunday because we watched two movies that were pretty fantastic. We did, although for the record, I never canceled her Thanksgiving marathon. We just never put it on the book. Well, I knew you were not feeling good. I hadn't heard from you. Well that was that was the weekend up. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I was very very sick. Yeah, but yes, we watched two films. Yeah, worth worth talking about one worth talking about a lot, Yes, which would be twenty twenty four, this year's Nutcrackers, Yes, directed by David. Gordon Green and starring Ben Stiller. And starring Ben Stiller in his first starring role in seven years. That's crazy, yeah, because it seemed like for a while there you just couldn't get away from him.

5:54 Was his last big one? Uh? Shit? Man? What was that movie called The I Want No Welcome to marm with Steve Hearrell. Yeah, I'm trying to think what his last big movie was then? If it was seven years ago, was. It that world of Walter Smithy Your Waybe? That's what I'm thinking. No, Walter Smitty, I think was or something like that. I think now I'm curious. Oh boy, they just got to dive into the crap. But excuse me, I was trying to not cough into the microphone. But Nutcrackers is a heartwarming Christmas time tale filmed in Wilmington, Ohio, which is forty minutes from where we're sitting right now. Filmed with a lot of local people, starring local children of the area and Ben Stiller. As we mentioned, it's about a family kind of reconnecting through tragedy.

6:45 Ben Stiller plays a business focused family member who has to come to a little town in Ohio to figure out what to do with his sister's orphaned boys. Boy status is the last boy Brad's Status. I never heard to that one. That was one. I think it was like an indie. I think it was the one with the drug the sun that's on drugs that he's trying to help. Oh, I watched that. Yeah, it was good. I've heard it's good. Yeah, No, I did watch that. That was really good. So yeah, I think it was his last one though. That was twenty seventeen. Wow. Yeah, yeah, so it's been a while since he'd starred in a film. And I just found the movie to be charming, extremely funny, extremely funny, and and what you'd expect from David Gordon Green.

7:26 It was. It was very It had a lot of great bizarre humor, a lot of dark humor, but always hit you in the heart at the end. So much heart hitting my God. Yeah, and it's available on Hulu right now, So I do recommend you check out Nutcrackers, especially if you need a brand new holiday film to really just punch you in the fields and not let go. So what did you what did you think of fifteen minutes was? I mean, like, the whole movie was great, but that last fifteen minutes, which is the performance and everything just so sweet. Ben stillers so good in it because not only is he showing up and kind of like really doesn't want much to do with the kids at first, but then through the movie just kind of like the friends them finds out how cool they are, how talented they are.

8:13 I mean just a great, a great display of. And that part is honestly the most cliche part of the whole movie. But the way it's done is very fun and offbeat. Yeah, and I really loved that about it. And has a fair amount of David Gordon Green alumni in it, because you've got the one guy from Halloween that I can never remember his name. I mean, I mean it's like he's got, he's got his crew. Yeah, he's got, he's got and uh co starring Linda Cardelin. Ye. I loved it I just really possibly in my top ten of the year, So you're gonna rewatch it next week, as you should. So. But the other one we watched is one that's been taking social media by storm. Yes, it has a little Netflix movie for those who've heard of Netflix called Hot Frosty.

8:57 Hot Frosty indeed, and I fucking love that title. It's the perfect tit. It is the perfect title, absolutely, So. Why don't you give the rundown on Hot Frosty. So Hot Frosty, according to IMDb, is the story of widow Kathy magically brings a stowman to life. His innocent help innocence helps her heal and fine love again. They bond before the holidays, but he's doomed to melt. That's a terrible synopsis in my opinion, I think. But that's accurate. That's accurate, But there's so much more to because even though it is it has the romantic comedy elements and whatnot. He literally helps the entire town, the friends, the entire town. It's like the story of Frosty the Snowman. Yes, yes, exactly, Yeah, do you Even movie will be right back, welcome back to do You Even movie?

9:57 He was a holly, jolly soul. He was a hollow, jolly soul and the mo. The movie stars Lacey Shabert and Dusty Milligan. Lacey Shabert of course from Mean Girls, and Dusty who you may remember his Ted from Shit's Creek. He plays the snowman in it. And it was just it was one of those movies that I wanted to see solely because when I heard about heard the title, and heard about the synopsis, I was like, this sounds like it could be really bad or really fun. Yeah, And it was really fun. It was super super fun. It hits all the notes you expect from a holiday rom com. I'm very partial to holiday rom coms as am I and I got a very big kick out of it. Yeah. But yeah, and you want to talk about brilliant writing. Having Frosty be like a buff hot dude, yeah, and then having having him be constantly cold or needing to be cold, to be cold, yeah, is the perfect recipe for him to basically never have a shirt on ye during winter. Yeah.

10:59 But I really help for that actor because some of those scenes looked like it was legitimately very cold. Well. In two of the Best Kept Secrets, of the film where Craig Robinson and Joe Litrulio because that them as the cops a bunch of comic relief for one, but also Craig Robinson's trying to find out one of the crimes that Frosty committed in the beginning of the movie the entire movie, and is just this cop that's just trying to solve the case at all costs, but also cliche to every single movie cop of like saying the one liners, putting on some trying. He's failing to be that cliche cop. And they also set him at a keyboard a couple of times. Yes, they just riff and do his thing.

11:39 But yeah, hot Frosty. I cannot recommend enough if it's one of those that you that you know about, because I'm pty sure it's been hard to avoid from social media. Oh sure, lately, give it a chance. Out of it you'll know if you like it. From like the first five to ten minutes, I would. Say, I don't even think you need to go that far. It's it's let's I I in cases like this, I like to lean into Abraham Lincoln. Okay, it's the kind of thing you'll like you'll like that kind of thing. That's fair so hot Frosty really fun, and it was nice to dive into some brand new holiday fairs. Absolutely for the year. Yeah, those were a lot of fun. Nutcrackers, hot Frosty. Those are our two recommendations. Even before we get to our movie, which is the biggest recommendation this week, I would say, well.

12:23 You think, I mean, what do you new might be? You don't have that new smell? Tell me about it? So shall we dive into nineteen ninety what was it? Ninety four? Nineteen ninety four's we Got we Gotta. We are hanging in the nineties a lot, right, we have been. Yeah, we're gonna have to. Luckily, next week's movie is in the two thousands. So there's that, and so is the one after it, Okay, and then we go to the eighties after that. Finally, so we are taking a nineties break for three. Movies in our real movies. But this is Yes, nineteen ninety four is the ref and this is one that if you are not familiar with it, you owe yourself to give it a watch. Absolutely hard to get a hold of right now. Unfortunately you can only really rent it.

13:14 But It's worth three ninety nine one thousand percent. So nineteen ninety four is the Ref. One hour and thirty seven minutes. Rate it R for language. Just language, that's the only only thing we have. I hate when films have language. Why can't they just minme it? Our director on the film is Ted Demi. He gets a start in nineteen eighty seven directing the Push It Salt and Pepper music video. Oh yeah, I mean, who doesn't remember that one? Push It real good? Dude, dude, doo, dute dute. Actually going back to Linda Carlini, she sings a karaoke version of it in Grandma's. Boy, It's All Coming Together. Uh. He moves on in nineteen eighty eight to Yo MTV raps, then does a Kid in Play video Rolling with Kid and Play, Then directs Dennis Leary's No Cure for Cancer in nineteen ninety three.

14:03 Well that explains quite a bit. Then moves into Saturday Zoo in ninety three, Who's That Man? In ninety three? Bruce Spinsteen the Streets of Philadelphia in nineteen ninety four, the same year that he directs The Ref. Then he directs Homicide Life on the Street in ninety four, Beautiful Girls in ninety six, Gun in ninety seven, Dennis Leary, Lock and Load in ninety seven, Monument Avenue in ninety eight, Life in ninety nine, and then his last film is Blow in two thousand and one. He unfortunately leaves us January thirteen, two thousand and two, at age thirty eight from an accidental cocaine induced thermabatic heart attack. He was playing the celebrity basketball game and. Collapsed while on cocaine. Wow. Yeah, well I didn't even know that going inside.

14:43 I had no clue. Yeah, and then when I found when I saw a somography, I was like, is he no longer with us? And then scroll back up to the top and read so, yeah, it was actually pretty shady. He's that's yeah, that will way to get the holiday cheer going. My apologies sorry that I picked a movie that has a dead director. Jeez David. Moving down to our writer, we have Marie Weiss, who has the ref on her resume in nineteen ninety four Screenplay and Story. Then also has Story orxcy Be the Christmas List in nineteen ninety seven. Our other writer on the film is Richard Lavinngray's He gets his start in eighty nine doing the screenplay for Rude Awakening, The Fisher King in nineteen ninety one, which he was Oscar nominated four Okay, yeah yeah, then moves on to The Reef, which he gets screenplay credit four in ninety four, A Little Princess in ninety five, The Bridges of Madison County in ninety five, Unstrung Heroes, The Mirror Has Two Faces, The Horse Whisperer, Living Out Loud, which he also directs Beloved in ninety eight, Parishet to Me in two thousand and six, which he's also a director on Freedom Writers in two thousand and seven, which he's the director on ps I Love You in two thousand and seven, which is also the director on Water for Elephants, Beautiful Creatures.

15:44 He's also the director on Behind the Candelabra, The Divide the Last five Years. Also directs That Unbroken in twenty fourteen, and The Comedian in twenty sixteen with Robert de Niro. Have you seen that movie? Oh yeah, so good. Yeah, I liked it. It was a lot of fun. I mean, it's no the Intern. It'll do, but. It'll moving down to our cinematographer we have Adam Kimmel, who gets his start as an assistant camera on The Wanderers in seventy nine, also the Brian to Palmer film Dressed to Kill in nineteen eighty, Raging Bowl in nineteen eighty, My Favorite Year in eighty two, Birdie in eighty four. It's not until nineteen eighty seven that he becomes a director of photography on The Pogues Live in New York, Okay. Then he does Llo Cool Jays, going back to Cali music video YouTube's one video. Then in nineteen ninety three he also does the cinematography on Dennis Leary No Cure for Cancer.

16:30 Which is a really good special. You know we glossed over it earlier. Yeah, but that's a great special. I remember watching them, both. Most Cure for Cancer and Locket Load I have on CD still and both are still really funny. I fig on television. Yeah yeah, Well, of course. You know, Cure for Cancer gave his asshole, which is the number one song that he's known for. Well, yeah, I'm glad you you you prefaced that with what that meant, he gave us asshole, and then that moving on, So who's that man? In three? The ref in ninety four. He also shoots Me and the Mob in ninety four, New Jersey Drive, Bed of Roses, Beautiful Girls, Dennis Leary, Lock and Load, Monument Avenue, Almost Heroes in ninety eight, Jesus's Son in ninety nine, Beyond Suspicion, Capodi, Bob Dylan when the Deal goes down, Lars and the Real Girl in two thousand and seven.

17:17 Okay, that's that one I wouldn't expect. Never Let Me Go twenty ten, Mark Felt The Man Who brought Down the White House in twenty seventeen. I liked that movie. It was act pretty good. Yeah, and We Go Green in twenty nineteen, and Colin Quinn's Red State, Blue State in twenty nineteen as well. Wow, Yeah, okay, sounds like a New York guy mostly I. Would say so. Yeah, him and him and DEMI work together a lot until his passing. Unfortunately, Yeah, I need to be synopsis for the ref says a cat Burglar is forced to take a bickering, dysfunctional family hostage on Christmas Eve. I mean, I don't know, sorry, I don't know if it could get much better than that. Double D My synopsis when a robbery gets botched. A cynical cat burglar takes a bickering couple hostage on Christmas Eve, posing as their marriage counselor at a family gathering to evade the local police on his trail.

18:01 Hmm, well, first of all, you stole bickering from the original description. Not that one's that's a little uncool that you took a word, a major descriptor from them. How arguing bickering? What of the words get functional, dysfunctionals in there? Bickering, dysfunctional family hostage. I only used bickering and added in the marriage counselor aspect of it. No, you added more. To it, yes, do it? Ah? No, No, it's not bad. It's not bad. It's just a little bit of a wash. But yours is definitely more all inclusive. Well, lucky for you. There's some great taglines here. Oh goodness.

18:45 First tag line, they might be his hostages, but they're doing or but what they're doing to this guy is criminal. Okay, I kind of like that one. My favorite is this one. He's taken them hostage, they're driving him nuts. That's pretty solid too. The ref is currently available to rent on Prime Fandango at Home and wherever you get your videos at. I will also say that if you are a physical media collector, the DVD is the only way to get it right now, It's never had a Blu Ray release and no telling if it will right now. Well, it's tied with Disney, yeah, and that. Yeah, one of these days they're either gonna have They're gonna have to open those floodgates for some Touchtak labels to license. Touchstone has a hell of a library, so I would think they would have to.

19:26 It's someone well, Touchstone was what saved Disney in the nineties when they were the Ladies and early in the nineties when they were dying. No absolutely moved out of our cast. We have Dennis Leary who plays Gus. He gets his start in ninety one with Strictly Business. He's also in Loaded Weapon one in ninety three, The Sandlot previous episode in ninety three, Demolition Man, Judgment Night, The ref Operation Dumbo, Drop two, If by Sea, The Second Civil War Suicide, kings Wag, The Dog Monument, Avenue, Small Soldiers, A Bugs Life, True Crime, Ice Age, Rescue Me, The Amazing Spider Man, Draft Day. Leary's got a hell of a resume. Do You Even Movie? Will be right back. Welcome back to Do You Even Movie?

20:19 Have I ever told you my Dennis Leary joke story? Is it? Is it the one where you talked to the woman who owned a comedy club? No? No, I was dating a girl whose mother was a stand up comedian in Jersey. Have I told I don't know if I told you? You told me? Yeah? Yeah, Well so I was. I was seeing this girl when I lived in North Jersey and her mother was a stand up in the nineties. Yeah, and she had. She was telling a story about how one night she was at some little club in downtown and Dennis Leary was on the show, like for ten minutes, and he was new, people didn't really know him, and he got up on stage and just everybody was just like what because no one, in her words, no, had ever seen anything quite like that before. And I just immediately went, you guys had never seen Bill Hicks. And she was like, Oh, you're mean. That's funny, but you're mean. That was her joke.

21:12 No hate, Dennis actually loved Dennis Lewy a lot. And also the fact the fact I don't know if people know where the no cure for cancer special comes from It comes from a joke. So one thing I miss about the nineties, aside from inflation, is jokes that would just spread across the country and no one really knew how, like the Michael Jackson jokes, the O. J. Simpson jokes that would just permeate the world. My god. Yeah, Well, the joke about Dennis Leary was why don't why do more people know about Dennis Leary than know about Bill Hicks Because there's no cure for cancer? That was the joke. So Dennis Leary going on stage and doing a tour called no Cure for Cancer was his way of basically telling those people who were saying he was on original putting him down, basically telling them to kiss his ass. And I respect that so. And Dennis Leary is one of the most memorable people when he's given a role that fits, whether it's The ref which I honestly think is a relatively modern classic, or even his role in Demolition Man where they just kind of let him be him absolutely do But it wasn't like they did it because they were lazy. They did it because he fit so well with his character. Because they're living and for those who've never seen Demolition Man. They're living in a world that's been nerfed in every way.

22:42 Swearing is illegal, sex is illegal, alcohol is illegal, meat is illegal. And he lives underground with a bunch of people who refuse to live that way. In this air quotes utopian society. So when he starts giving his rants and raves about how he wants to smoke cigarettes. And each run naked down the streets saying I'm a little. I'm a little tea. Yeah, when he gives those rants, that's what his stand up act was, because he was His stand up act was about, like you know, in the song asshole, you know, I want to eat a fatty cheeseburger and a non biodegradable styrofoam containers. I want to smoke five cigarettes and a Cuban cigar while I do all.

23:23 You know, he wipe my mouth with the American flag. Yeah, that was his thing, and he was well used, and in the ref he's phenomenally used, Which makes a lot of sense now as I realized that clearly, and you'll get into how the movie came to be, but clearly the director was a choice from Leary's camp. Yeah, because that was somebody who knew him and knew what he was capable of. So that's yeah, I just want to, you know, hats off Dennis Leary highly well, actually, I can't say he's underrated, not after Rescue Me. No, and his other show that made think I think it got two seasons if not, I got one, and it was it was very well life did I can't remember I forgot cancer or not, but to sex, drugs and rock and roll.

24:03 Sure, sure it was a really good but Rescue Me was like Rescue Me was not only huge, but like my mom liked, Rescue Me, like very very popular with almost everybody. Yeah, it's a great So I'm not going I will say at the time I feel he was underrated, but I think I think he's gotten his due in the last fifteen twenty years, Dennis Larry give us your anger. So moving on down the cast, we also have Judy Davis, who plays Caroline in the film She Gets Are started in nineteen seventy seven with high Rolling in a Hot Corvette, My Brilliant career in seventy nine, Hoodwink heat Wave, the final option. In eighty two, Passage to India, Kangaroo Georgia, Alice impromptu Barton Fink in ninety one on my Own Naked Lunch, Husbands and Wives in ninety two, which I think is one of her most bit like her biggest film.

24:50 I think m moving on that. We Have The Rep in ninety four, The New Age Blood and Wine, Absolute Power in ninety seven, deconstructing Harry Dash and Lilly a Cooler Clas, the Man who sued God, Swimming up Stream, the breakup Mary and Twinette, The Starter Wife Iya, The Storm to Roam with Love, The Dressmaker Feud, and most recently Ratchet on Netflix in twenty twenty. Oh really yeah wow. Well, and most importantly, she was in two separate movies The Simpsons made fun of that true Barton Fink and Naked Lunch. Do you remember those those Guysmber? This one of them was when the kids were all like, we're gonna sneak into an R rated movie and they're all like, Barton Fink, Barton Finks, that's the movie they're sneaking into. And then when bart has a fake ID, they go to see Naked Lunch and when they're walking out, he's like, I could think of at least two things wrong with that title. Anyway, so good.

25:42 I have no memory or childhood of my own, only Simpsons references. That's fair. You have a lot of Simpsons reference. We bounce those signs. You do it way more than I do. I grew up in a time when if you were if you wanted to, you could watch three episodes of The Simpsons every day. After some why do I think it was five? I don't know, which is a lot? You could watch two on our normal Fox affiliate, and then we got Cincinnati's Fox affiliate, so you could watch one of them on there, and throughout time, sometimes they would overlap. Yeah, so I would switch to pick which one I like Like, I'd be like, oh, I like that episode more, and I'd watch that one on w. X I X ME with family and I in high school because TVs Star had shown it at that point, but then also Cartoon Network Adult Swim at eleven or.

26:25 What you're making me feel old. I remember buying they set after it had been canceled time or the third time, the original time it had been canceled. Yeah, And I remember watching the DVDs and going, Wow, the show was really really funny, and then being shocked when all of that attention brought it back, so I feel very old. Thank you sorry. Wrapping up our cast is Kevin Spacey, who plays Lloyd in the film. He gets to start at eighty eight and Working Girl also does. See Here No Evil in eighty nine. Probably a future episode because I just revisited that recently and I love that movie. Glengary, Glenn Ross, The ref Swimming with Sharks, Usual Suspects, Outbreak Seven, A Time to Kill Ellie, Confidential, Midnight in the Guard, A Good and Evil, The Negotiator of Bugs, Life American Beauty, Pay It Forward, k Pax, Shipping News, Life of David Gale, Superman Returns, the Manister at Goats, Horrible Boss's House of Cards.

27:17 Baby Driver in twenty seventeen is probably his last one because, as we know, allegations and everything have come against him. Yeah, lots happened. Yeah, yeah, But one of my favorite movies of all time is Swimming with Sharks. Shark's fantastic, Yeah No, and He's that's probably, in my opinion, some of his best work. Yeah. Well, and like like you and I've talked about and I've said, I think a couple times on the show, separating art from the artist, is what I do, and he left an incredible body of work. Well sure, yeah, well, and I'm not gonna not to be that guy. But he hasn't been found guilty of anything. No, I said allegations. Yeah so, I mean, so it's a it's a it's a it's a delightful gray area for movie fans. Yeah to uh to never speak of it against let us never speak of it again anyway, Jeffrey Jones.

28:01 Other names in the cast. I do want to mention, just to show you how stacked the cast is. We also have Raymond, Jay Berry, we have Christine Baranski, Adam Lafever, Bill Raymond, we have Scott Walker. I mean, there is a bunch of people in this movie. Well, Bead Wong. I know you'd think they'd mostly be puppets, but they were able to get a full cast. Crazy. No, it was cool to see bed Wong and there, especially because this was right before OZ started. And what you get is a ton of character actors from the East Coast because this was made on the East Coast. Well, I think this is is this the year after Jurassic Park? Is Jurassic Park ninety three? I think so? Yeah, so the year after Jurassic Park then too, oh. Yeah he was. Yeah. Well and you mentioned JK. Simmons, right, oh j K Simons, Yeah yeah, yeah he pops up in there. Another OZ alumni and also a character actor famous for being on the East Coast.

28:48 Yeah. One thing when you get when you're extra obsessed with movies, you notice by who fills the other roles. Yeah, where the film is shot. Yeah, Like I guarantee you major reason that JK. Simmons was j Jonah Jamison in Sam Raimi Spider Man movies and then later Spider Man incarnations was because he was on the East Coast because they filmed it in New York. Yeah, makes perfect sense. So you can definitely like there will be movies I watch while like, oh they must have shot if not on the East Coast, they must have shot not in LA because like if they shoot in say a lot of those movies nineties movies especially might have been shot in North Carolina because they like the crow and stuff like that.

29:31 You'll often see a lot of New York people because they're still cheaper to bring over compared to flying from LA or flying from wherever same goes. If they shoot in Quebec, then there's a good chance you'll see a lot of New York actors because again much closer. Yeah, so that's one of the things that Uh, watch it really if you want a master class on who's a character actor in New York, just watch Ozz. Just watch because it's nothing but them. There's there's really nobody else. Yeah. Was June Davis on OZ or am I thinking of somebody else? I don't think so she was, But well, there aren't. There aren't a lot of female characters to go around on. That's why I was an account of the men's I mean, there are some really good female characters, but there's not many opportunities for women in a men's prison show.

30:21 Well because Edie Falco is on there, and I think that's pre Sopranos. Oh yeah, because the reason they wrote her character out was that she was committed to filming Sopranos. So yeah, because they her character like disappears with a note. Yeah, yeah, they just flat out we're like, look, Oz, we know you were our favorite child, but now this new baby is here and we love him a lot more. Like when he coups, it's really cute. You're already getting bo the. Old same amount of seasons. I think OZ had seven. Okay, Sopano had six, technically seven because six is. Bro Wait no, no, OZ had six. Oh yeah, it broke it into parts. So yeah, season four is broken into parts. Yeah yeah, stop talking about OZ or you'll never get to the movie.

31:02 Do You Even? Movie will be right back. Welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? So what was your first time watching The Ref? Oh? Man, it was on Comedy Central a lot when I was in my mid teens, and they'd always make it a big deal. They'd always play lots of commercials big Dennis Leary and The Ref, And all I knew was that The Ref was not considered a huge hit, and they were trying to, you know, breathe life into it with an audience who liked Dennis Leary and who I mean, there were a lot of movies that Comedy Central was able to make movies people like, they were able to kind of breathe new life into it because Comedy Central had that very specific audience that they could find for it.

31:58 So The Ref was definitely one of those They play around the holidays a lot, and I always remember catching it here and there, catching half of it here. The beginning of it here or there and laughing my ass off, thinking he was very, very funny. I was. I was a very young fan of Dennis Leary. Yeah, so then I guess it would be I don't know, maybe in my early to mid twenties. I revisited it and that was the first time I'd watched it all at once and uncut. Yeah, and it was on it was I think Netflix, No, No, that was later. It was either on Stars or Prime Stars. Early in that era, like when Prime Video was, was was very much more like Netflix than.

32:46 I would almost Bet Stars almost. And I flipped through and found it and I watched it right then and there because I had like a temporary membership or something. And yeah, that was my revisiting and I was just I was floored by what a great film it was. I was floored by how hard I laughed the whole way through, how christmas y it was. It's there is a varying degree of christmasness in the movies we're covering for Christmas, and this one is in like the eight out of ten. The only way it would be more Christmas is if it was fully about Christmas. I mean, it's literally it's a it's a happened one night on Christmas Eve. Yeah, when the music cues involve Christmas music, there's tons of decore. There's Santa clauses. Like I said, because on my Christmas E scale, like long Kiss good Night would be like a five. That's what we did last week.

33:33 That'd be like a five because Christmas setting is it's it's there there. As like as to where like Lethal Weapon or die Hard would probably be closer to a three three because it's not focused on Christmas, but Christmas is always there and apparent. Yeah, and then there are a lot of movies that are like a one or two where it's like, ah, you see some lights, You're like, oh, hey, this is at Christmas. Obra Yeah, yeah, Cobra is a good example. So as to where like if you wanted a ten out of ten, it would have to be something that's about Christmas, Yeah, Christmas story, like a Christmas story or like to an extent, Home Alone's probably nine out of ten because it's basically about Christmas. But you know, or a movie that were Santa is a focal character or something like that, those are gonna be ten out of ten.

34:13 Only like no shit, a couple of years ago that I realized Chris's vacation. We never see Christmas Day. No, yeah, we don't make it. Yeah yeah, that's no. That's one of my favorite things about it. Yeah. So anyway, that's the other thing is like when it comes to adult comedies on Christmas, this one is very very Christmas. It absolutely and very nineties in a comforting way. Yea for those like me who are as are at death Store, we're just ancient already, unlike you younger millennials, US elder millennials for caching our social Security checks? Do you want me to make you feel older? Because I can tell you my first time watching. Go On. So I discovered the ref Circle two thousand and four, two thousand and five via a Hollywood Video catalog.

34:58 I remember Hollywood. Oh, it was a. Had to have been like probably like a little ten page catalog that was just like rent these movies in Hollywood Video. And it was still in the VHS days, so they were all tapes. Wow. And I remember going through them, and I remember seeing the cover of the REF and I'd like Dennis Leger at that point because I'd seen like Small Soldiers. I was probably watching a little bit of rescue me with my parents at that point. So I knew who he was. Again two thousand and four, I would have been seven fourteen, Oh my god, ah baby. So yeah, it was. It was one of those situations where I was like, Okay, I want to see this, and lo and behold, Comedy Central had it. Like one November. I was channel surfering and came across it and caught it right in the middle.

35:41 And literally from that point on, that's how I kept watching that damn movie. It was like. It wasn't until like a year later that I found a copy of the library got to watch it one sitting completely uncut, never saw the beginning until that time renting that tape, yea. And yeah, I mean from that point on, like it was one that I wanted obviously. So I ended up finding a sealed copy of good Will like the same year that I've rented it at the library and had it on VHS for years, upgraded the DVD and it's it's it's one that I will watch every single Christmas most of the time with you. Yeah, We've watched it at least five or six times a long time. Yeah, and every year it seemed like it would be somewhere else too. Yeah. One year nowhere we watched the DVD yep. Then one year it was on Netflix yep for for a while, so we watched it on there, and that was the first time we've seen it in HD.

36:23 Yeah, and then Voodoo finally put it up like I think a year after that, and we both grabbed it, even though I think it was still like full price fourteen and nine at that point. Yeah, I paid full price for my Voodoo copy, but at least we have a accessible HD copy. Yeah. It just what stick with me the most is the humor, the one liners. I mean, the entire cast just keeps the film going in such in such a way with their delivery between each other, because you start seeing this this really nice town, and then slowly but surely you get to see that like, oh no, there's there's some shitty people in this town too. Well yeah, I mean it's a little Connecticut town, yeah, where nothing ever happened. Yeah, but then this happens. And I'll dive into that a little bit more when we talk about one of my favorite characters in the film, which is the police chief.

37:08 Yes, mister Huff. So we open with a shot of the town of bay Brook, Connecticut. As we see it's Christmas Eve, we see various people through the town. Shop owners are closing up. What would you say, it's probably about like five thirty six o'clock at this point. Well, if they're in Connecticut, it could be as early as four thirty. Yeah, it gets dark really early when you're that far east. Because by the time they get back home with Gus he says it's seven thirty now. Yeah, so it's probably about five five o'clock or four thirty something like that. So it's early on Christmas Eve. The town's out about the choir's practicing. We're seeing the local law enforcement saying hi to people, and we're going through the town just seeing it. And then we pan up. To a window where we see a sign that says doctor Wong marriage counselor. I bet you for the record. Yeah, in a small town like that, the marriage counselor is the wealthiest person in a small Connecticut town in in the nineties, could be so many marriages where they're like, well, getting divorced would be very expensive. I will pay anything to see a doctor right now now. I bet he's very busy.

38:14 He probably loves Christmas because you know if he doesn't celebrate it, He's like, ah, I'll just work through Christmas Eve to fix all these people's anger and rage about their ham not being finished. Judging by his nice sweater, he definitely has money. Oh yeah, and his slicked back hair and his slick back hair and just being Beadie Wong, so he just looks expensive. We cut into his office as we meet doctor Wong conducting a session between Caroline and Lloyd, and Caroline tells the doctor about a dream that she had recently, and Lloyd doesn't want to hear about the dream because it involves Carolyn being in a nice restaurant and she served a platter with Lloyd's severed head on it and his penis stuck in his ear. Yeah, except she says I didn't order this, and the waiter leans in and goes, you must try it. It's a delicacy, but don't eat the penis.

39:02 Its only And Lloyd is not happy here in. This well, doctor Wong says, how do you feel about that? Lloyd? He's like, I wish she'd stop telling it at dinner parties. He goes on to say, you know, doctor Wong's like, you know, well, how is a sex life? And Carolyn's like, you know, it's decreased even more so, but even when it was up in its heyday, it still wasn't noteworthy. A couple kisses, a couple of nipple twists. That's why I had the affair. It takes as long as making a cappuccino. I know, because I timed it one. Yeah, timed it once, and even goes to say that that's why she ended up having an affair, which you know was due to her own happiness. But the affair didn't mean anything to her, and that's why, you know, they want to move past it and try to fix the marriage. But Lloyd's convinced that she wants a divorce, or at least he wants a divorce.

39:48 Yeah. Well, and and he's like, you just say that so casually, I had an affair, like you're asking for a glass of water? Do you even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to do you even movie? And this whole time, you know that they're arguing and bickering with this is this is the first taste we get of Carolyn and Lloyd that's going to carry it through the rest of the movie, and doctor Wong keeps repeating he's not here to take sides, He's just here to listen. So then we cut to a car out in front of a mansion. We see a man sitting in the car smoking while the car is running. Inside we meet Gus played by Dennis Leary, who is dressed in black wearing a face mask, and he's trying to crack a safe and he eventually gets an open. We hear the sound of a cat hiss and then a spray happens as miss as we find out that the booby trap is cat piss.

40:47 Well, which may have which may make no sense until until so as he's clearing out all of the stuff, I just love this sequence. He's clearing out all these jewels, diamonds. I mean, it's a it's frigging crazy how much stuff is in there. There's just this one little ring box in the back that that is open, so you can see this giant diamond. And as he reaches to grab it and pulls on the string or pulls on it it's connected to a string. The string makes the camera turn on the security camera, and when he goes to disable the camera, that triggers a trap door under his feet, which drops it on a slide down slams into the basement where there is a very big rottwiler.

41:37 A very big rottweiler that we find out's name is Cannibal. Cannibal, and now the cat piss makes a lot more sense, talk about cruel like, I mean, come on, what like what are we are? We tired of the old just shotgun on a window trick? Geez. So now he's trying to figure out how to get away. From this dog, throwing pool balls at it. Which one one that Cannibal catches and just smashes with his jowls. It's it's perfection because the dog catches the familliard ball and crunches it into pieces. Yeah, he's like, uh so that he holds him a diamond necklace, gets the dog's attention, throws it hoping the dog will get off him. But the moment he moves off, he goes to a window, the dog jumps up bites him right on the as So then we cut back to doctor Wong's office, where Lloyd tries to state that he's a happy person. You know, he's content, he sees nothing wrong with his life.

42:30 And I'm a very content person. Carolyn sees right through it, calling him out and says, you know, we we live in everything of the shadow of your mother. We live in a house with your mother owns. We have a business with your mother owns, and basically goes on to say that they all live under the shadow of his mom because she has money. Well, and two things in this exchange. First of all, when she says how can we live to how can we live together and be together? And I'm miserable in your content content and he says lock, look, which is amazing. But then the next one is as she's explaining, like you know, we have a beautiful with your mother owns and of thriving business with your mother owns, he mentions that she gave them a loan. Yes, He's like, she helped us with our mindy. She's like, she gave us a loan at eighteen percent interest.

43:14 Eighteen percent. They're living in the house charging them alone for eighteen percent interest. Now, kids, as your lifestyle coach on this program, that is a piss poor APR, even in ninety the nineties. Yeah, that was a bad APR when you get alone, not a credit card. But alone loan, you're hoping to get under ten percent. I know right now interest rates are really messed up, but you're hoping to get under ten percent. Like when I got alone, it was before my business was big enough. I got a personal loan because I couldn't get a small business loan. Yeah, to buy a camera, I got eight percent, and I didn't have great credit, but eight percent was you know, my credit card company was gonna offer me eighteen or nineteen percent, so I took it. When you buy a car, When I bought a car, my first car loan was eight point five percent because I had horrible credit. But then when I refinanced a year later, after I rebuilt it, I got it down to like four and a half percent. My point is some people just don't understand these things, so they don't know how bad obscenely funny it is that a family member would give you a loan that's not even better than discover car you would do. Like the only other film that has a interest rate joke that makes me laugh out loud as Ghostbusters. Yeah, when they when they get the loan to start their business, the interest rate is higher than most credit cards. It was like twenty three twenty. I'm sorry as I'm almost forty

44:48 now and interest jokes raise my interest. Ah, I see what you did there. I'm so sad. So that leads Lloyd in to basically talking about their son Jesse, who he calls a delinquent, and Carolyn tries to defend, but that's when Lloyd tells a story about how they asked him to do. They asked him to get a job. He started a small business which happened to be an escort service, and he gave the high school football team mother Rose his phone number, the grandmother's phone. Number response, and I think her getting plowed by an eighteen year old linebacker is just what she needed. And that's when doctor Wong is like, please, can we be quiet? And they both go fuck you.

45:29 He has a bell he rings when they get too aggressive with each other, and he rings that bell. They both just go fuck it. So back at the mansion, Gus starts. Gus has cleaned, Err has fallen in by this point, he's been bitten by the dog, and we also see that Murray, his partner, has left. The car has gone. The cops have surrounded it by this point, and we see there's a pile of cigarette. Butts, big car pile of cigarette butts. So that is when down the road a bit, Carolyn Lloyd have ended their session. They are parked at a local convenience store, still bickering, and that's because Carolyn again brings up the divorce. And that's when Lloyd's like, we're not getting a divorce, you know, we're we're gonna work this out. And she's like, are you coming in? And he's like, no, I think I'm gonna stay out here. There are other things happening in the light, in the life besides us, Carol.

46:10 Because he's listening to the radio. He's listening to the news. Yes, And that's when she gets out of the car and he goes, Carolyn, if the day that you see something through to the very end is the day I'll stick my own dick in my. Ear, yeah, referring to their divorce there because she wants a divorce and he doesn't want to give her one. Yeah. So we see Carolyn going to the store, and that's when behind behind Lloyd we see Gus walking into the store as well. Uh oh, I wonder if they'll meet up. They might just meet up so we cut into the store and Carolyn's kind of just having a little bit of a crisis while she shops. Gus immediately sets his sights on her and kind of goes to the back of the store, eventually sneaking up on her, putting a gun in her back and telling her not to move. That's when we see Gus and Carolyn go out to rejoin Lloyd in the car, and that's when he points the gun in Lloyd's face and tells him to drive.

46:56 And of course Lloyd is like, you know what's going on? You know everything okay, and yeah, this is Gus means business. Two things about this sequence, Yes, sir number one, there is nothing more truthful to the holiday experience than her walking up to an aisle to grab like paper towels and maybe one more thing and just taking a second, like leaning her head on the shelf, like just totally exasperated by all of this because they just had this, They just had this horrible. Their marriage is terrible. They're arguing like crazy. She says she wants a divorce. Now they have to host Christmas Eve dinner, Yes they do so. Now he kidnaps, well kind of kidnaps her. Yeah, it takes her hostage. And when they get in the car, this is something I thought was really worth pointing out. Lloyd.

47:46 Ye Lloyd is like are you okay? Which I love that because that's a foreshadow that they don't entirely hate each other. Yeah, but their baggage is so vast. They have so much in the way of them caring for each other. It's it's sad. It is sad. Yeah. Yeah. So we cut across town to the local station where we meet Lieutenant Huff who is being hassled by the rich locals of Babe Brook, who are like, you know, why aren't you put more men out there? And he's like, ah, your men are not trained. Like we get. We get the idea that Huff has just took this position, like what maybe a year ago. Yeah, I I you know, when I watched this movie the first few times, I always thought he was just like being outrageously funny and ridiculous. But as I've watched it more, I've realized why he's so angry, because when they say, like, why aren't you been doing more stuff?

48:33 He says, because these men are trained to do this. You're like, well, their police are they He's like, they have no experience, no experience, nothing happens in this town. And he basically says like, you guys only care if you only need us. If a kid plays a prank on you or one of your I will say exactly what he says. But one of your dogs humps the other without permission. And that's what you call your judges and your lawyer friend. Yeah, yes, could call them now. Yeah. He's like everything else you call your judge friends or your district attorney friends, So why don't you call them now? Yeah? And then they're like, well, you don't have to be the chief of police, like I could make the mayor's an old golf buddy of mine. And his response is get out now. And I used to watch this, I used to think that the joke was just the absurdity of how aggressive he is. But now as I've watched it a bunch of times, what he's mad about is that he's probably spent his entire career trying to get some real cops in that city, and every time they're like, no, hire my friend's son's kid, No hire my kid, No hire my cousin's son. So now he's just in there like you people, you did this, you have to know right that we don't have any police officers, and that I find really funny. But also I've gained a lot of empathy for his character because now when I look at him, like, you know, he's not being a jerk to be a jerk, he's just like what do you want?

49:55 Like he's just done already, like he was probably done a long time ago, which we didn't see. No, And I love that whole thing. His arc is pretty great. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty awesome. Do You Even? Movie will be right back, Welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? So we cut back to Carolyn, Lloyd and Gus in the car and Gus is listening to the radio as Lloyd drives, and we find out there's gonna be a curfew now at ten PM, that they may or may not be doing house to house searches, and also that there may be a reward because Willard might be putting some money up. Willard who owns the mansion.

50:40 And roadblocks and roadblocks, and the rewards one hundred thousand dollars. Yes, So that's when Gus tells me Charlot radio and he's trying to figure out what he wants to do, and that's when he's like, you know what, let's go to your house. And Lloyd's like, oh, well, we can drop you off somewhere. You know, we have people coming over. We can't. He's like, no, take me to your fucking house. Yeah. Yeah, So he orders them take them to the house, and that is when Carolyn and Lloyd get into it again, and that's when Gus is like. Hey, hey, stop screaming. I have a gun. Like gun, gun, gun right here. Gun. And that's when they are arguing more and more. And that's when Carolyn's like, if you knew I wasn't a single onman, you would abducted me, right, And he's like, honestly, no. Yeah, I wouldn't have abducted you if I know you were a couple now.

51:21 And she even says something along the lines of like I can vouch for Lloyd. He's no hero, and that pisses Lloyd off. So they're arguing more and more. Back at the mansion, huff arrives to find out that they have found the face mask, and actually one of the deputies, which is Phil, he's like, you know, it's kind of an odor to it. And Huff takes a spell and he's like it's cap piss and he's like, oh that's great. Phil thought it was like Seeman. He's like, Phil needs to get checked out. So that's when UHL said, Huff gets a call of the radio. He finds out that they have a video of the suspect, but also that the State Police are in custody of it because they're going to be taking over the investigation and he needs the clearest men out there leave a couple for when the Stateies. Arrive, which I mean is what would make sense. Yeah, So we cut back over to a military academy now as we meet Jesse Chessier who is in his dorm, but he's in his private little photo lab developing.

52:09 He has a dark room. He has a dark room. Yeah, he's developing. He's developing film. And we get a shot of the film as we see a man with what I can only assume are two sex workers. I don't know what you would assume pose pose was who was Commander Siscle played by JK. Simmons, who also shows up at Jesse's door knocking, and that's when Jesse opened the door, wishing him a Merry Christmas and also is like, you know, I can't give it to you out here, and that's when he's like, oh, you know, well, I gonna go ahead and you know, send some pictures to your wife that I just did an ll role. They look great, and he calls him a demon seed, hands over the money, wishes him his best, and that's when he shuts the door. So we get the idea that Jesse has just blackmailed his commander at. The you know, we get the idea that Jesse has been blackmailing. Yeah, it's ongoing younger.

52:55 Yeah. So meanwhile, Lloyd and Carolyn arrive at the house. Oh wait, I missed the thing. So when they're arguing for the first time. Yeah, yeah, one of my favorite moments. Yeah, they argue about Yeah, Lloyd just powers through a stop stop sign yeah, and didn't see it and she was trying to tell him and so was us. So then when they're he's like, there was no stops on it, and she's like there was there was no stops on He just goes great, I detect my fucking parents, which is such a great moment because, for real, if you've ever kids, if you've ever had to deal with somebody who had to deal with a couple who are awful. Yeah, the oxygen just leaves the room when they fight. So the idea of being an armed gunman taking them hostage and they can't help themselves. It's really funny because that's the same concept as like if they're at a party together, yea, and they can't help themselves. They're gonna you even though everyone's here, everyone's listening home. Couldn't you just save this till you get home? It's like, no, they can't help themselves. Well, even a guy say there's like I will shoot you if you don't do what I say, And they're like, yeah, but he's wrong, you know. It's it's yeah, it's so good and and and it's why if you haven't picked up yet, that's why it's called the ref Yeah, because he ends up becoming basically a referee for this dysfunctional family exactly. Phenomenal title, phenomenal usage.

54:22 So meanwhile, the three arrive at the house. Lloyd turns off the alarm and that's when we also hear the Jesse's leaving a message saying he's gonna be late, and Gus is noticed in the house He's like, you know, man, this is a nice house. You know what do you guys? Do you know this doesn't come cheap And that's when Lloyd's like, oh, I run an antique store intown, and Carolyn interjects that it's his mother's shop, and. That's when they start to argue again. Then Gus makes a new rule that only people with guns can yell why guns, but you too can't yell why no gun? No guns? Simple literally equations, simple equation. So he also asked Lloyd if they have any rope, and that's when Lloyd is like, you know, well, why do you need some rope? And he's like he's like, hey, did I ask any question? Did I ask why? Like, do you have any rope? No, we don't have any rope, and Carolyn's like, we have bungee cords the ouchless. So that's when he asked to see where the bungee cords are.

55:11 And he also notices that the dinner table is set and he finds out that they have guests arriving at nine pm, and that's when we cut to a diner. Your favorite kisses me off so much like to the depth of my spirit. This scene makes me angry, Yeah, tell him what's happening. So we cut to a diner where we meet Lloyd's brother Gary with his wife Connie, their kids, John and Mary, plus we get to meet mother Rose Ah, mother Rose, and they're getting dinner at the diner because that's when uh Mary asked, you know, I thought we were gonna eat at uncle Lloyd's house. And that's when Carolyn or when Connie is like, God knows what your aunt Carolyn's making blah blah blah blah. So they're eating to avoid eating Carolyn's food.

55:52 They're eating before they go to dinner. Yeah. The just the audacity like that is such a like, just stop wasting everyone's time. If you hate it so much, just don't go. I know, I for some reason, this one really presses my buttons. So back at the house, Gus ask you know what's the worst die bar in town? At this point, we see that Lloyd and Carolyn are tied to shares a bungee cords and he's like, you know what's the worst die bar in town? Both of them say a different one and then argue about how do they know that, And that's when Gus goes to call the mackerel lounds searching for Murray. Yes, and of course Murray is there. Murray is there, and that's when he's like, you know, is the guy named Murray there? The bartender calls to Murray, He's like, I don't think he's here, Powdy. He's like, why don't you try if there's a waste of fucking life named Murray there? So the bartender, yeah, yeah, he's a waste of fucking life, Niam Murray here, and Murray goes Gussie Gussy so takes the phone and that's when Gus just lays into him for leaving the scene. You know, if the cop showed up. He was supposed to act like a drunk vagrant and that's, you know, what the plan was. And that's when he's like, I got scared.

56:55 I had to leave. And he's like, okay, well, then the new plan. Is, I need you to go to the heart the local harb which is Windsor Harbor and steal a boat. And he's like, what the hell do I know about boats? Like I'm a car thief, Like what do I know about boats? And he's like learn it's eight thirty now. Curfew starts at ten. That should give you plenty of time. And also, you know, if you don't pull this off, you know what, men like you in prison make wet nurses wet nurses. So we also Murray asked, you know, is there a chance that he gets to the loot and that's when he's like, no, Murray, figure this out. So he hangs up with them, and Gus goes to the fridge, takes out a bottle of wine, takes a long gulf from it before asking Carolyn and Lloyd do either of them smoke? And that's when Lloyd's like, I don't smoke, Carolyn. Just quit. Yeah, And Gus. Sees through this immediately walking up to Carolyn and going just quit, Huh.

57:37 Where are they? Where'd you hide him? And she's like, I don't know what you're talk about, and he's like, where you hide them, Carolyn? So then that's what she says. They're behind the chessboard. He goes to the chessboard, takes them out, and just starts like smelling them. Naturally, Lloyd and Carolyn start bickering again, so Gus just walks over pushes both the fair chairs to the ground. Well, because she starts this bs of like, well, I had them because I never said I quit. I said I quit smoking cigarettes. But I'll puff a couple of times and not inhale, just to like whatever and blah blahlah say fight you fighting? And I love that you push it them over and he goes, Caroline, did you say you quit? Did you say you quit? Yes, then you're a liar. Capital L small I small, A small R.

58:19 Lloyd's laughing at this point, and that's when he was and that's when he's like, He's like, you saw the sop signe? Did he? Lloyd? And that's when he points the gun. In his face, like brushing his nose with it sometimes, and Lloyd admits he does, and he's like, you're both liars. And that's when as he's walking away, and then they're on the floor, Carolyn's or Lloyd goes, what's that smell? And he goes shut up, and that's when Carolyn's like, do you know you're bleeding? And he's like, oh yeah, dog bit me and he's like, Cannibal, bitch you. The dog's name is Cannibal. So they offer him band aids. Carolyn even says they have the ouchless couchless and that's when Gus walks away and Lloyd starts giving her shit. He's like, you know, you want to have sex with him? And she's like, I'm frightened. This is a reaction. Didn't they teach you that before? You're alien?

59:00 Lords dropped you off here Now they're they're fighting is exquisite. We for all to also add that Gus sprays them with the sink while they're arguing, while he's on the phone with Murray, hes like, cald off for a second, just sprays. He just turns the sink on and uses the spray head and just douses them both a little bit. So suddenly the doorbell sounds. We see that George, who is now dressed as Santa Claus, is bringing around his wife's fruitcake as Carolyn goes to answer the door, and we get the we get the idea that Carolyn really doesn't like the fruitcake because she he's like, you know, I bet you thought that Margaret left her off her fruitcake list. Well, she would never do that. No, you never do that now, David, Yes, are you a fruitcake kind of person? Uh? It just depends. I've had good fruitcake and bad fruitcake. It was about five years ago. I actually got into it because it had always been a joke.

59:45 Have you well? Of course? Yeah? Have you? So? Was the bad fruitcake? Store bought? Store bought? What was the good fruitcake? Good fruitcake is one that my friend Sue makes, which is entirely from scratch. It was like the first like fruitcake I ever had. Okay, and it was It's phenomenal. Do you even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to do you even movie? And and before we get back to the film after Thanksgiving? Yes, is there any family members you want to throw under the bus for cooking poorly that you left out from Thanksgiving?

1:00:30 No, we're good. We're good here any any dishes or side dishes that are always turning out bad? I need to just like it's okay, We're We're deep into the show. No one. No one's gonna hear this except the people who actually want to hear what you think about the raft. No one who loves us is still listening. We are, This is just you sons of bitches. Yes, though was delicious? Actually, oh yeah, did I even talk about my my cousin? I don't think you did. Maybe you did, but I can't real. It's it's just my family. Thanksgiving got canceled because my cousin was cooking everything out to come to the emergency room. Yeah he's okay, but uh so I ended up spending most of Thanksgiving at the Cigar Lounge. Yes you did, which was actually you got an awesome plate from what I saw, sir, Oh my gosh.

1:01:12 Spread at the lounge. I went in there and smoked a cigar and then I asked Gonzo, do you mind if I take a plate home? And he was like, please, do you have any idea how much turkey I made? Yeah? No, no, it was just that's just a side note. Anyway, back to your bullshit. So that's when George as Santa also brings up you know, hey, you know if has that sony years around him, so waiting on our Chester match. Oh also, if he's seen it, we're still missing the baby Jesus from the the Ntivity scene a couple of years ago and then just saw well. He says like, if he returns, no, I don't want to ask any questions, I'm not here or whatever. We just want it. We just want it back. And of course Carolyn's like, you know, he blames Jesse for every year. He doesn't even play chess anymore. Meanwhile, Gus is getting to the fruit take does not like it, spits it out. Yeah, So that's when he's like, you know, where are those where those band aids at? So they start going up the steps and that's when he notices a real Chagall on.

1:02:00 The wall and he's like, you know, Chagall on the wall, on. The wall, and he's like, you know this is nice and she's like, oh, yeah, you know you want it? Like I can't stand that painting. Every time I walk past it, I think of Lloyd's mother. And that's when he's just like, you know, this is a real one, right, Like that really pisses me off that you guys have this and you don't appreciate it. Yeah, he's like, if you believe this hanging on somebody's wall, they don't even appreciate it. Probably because you never worked a day in your life. And that's when she's like, that's not true. We had a restaurant. It was Italian. It went wrong. And that's when Gus is like, wait, are we girlfriends? Like? Are we girlfriends? So contin they continue up the steps. Yeah, but I love that sequence because you kind of get a sense that like it's not that they're rich, Yeah, it's that they have a nice home and nice things and they don't give a shit. No, that's what bothers him. Yeah, because he's a criminal, he kind of lives. We find out what his life is like a little bit later, and to me, the older I get, the sadder it is when he explains like how he lives, it's very sad.

1:02:58 So we cut to outside. We see George walking away from the house. We see that Jesse has picked up a limo and he is in the limo watching George walk away, and that's when he asked the lima driver, you know, how about I give you another fifty to go around the block. And he's like, hey, kid, like, you know, I want to get home. It's my family. And he's like, oh, that's we still throw in the fifty and he's like, all right, it's your money. So Jesse does not want to go home, no, and. Why wouldn't he want to? I mean this dream factory of a home. Yeah. So meanwhile across town, George is now at another local Christmas party as Santa and the kids are excited. The family's excited, and that's when they're like, you know, do you think Santa might want something to eat? And he's like, oh, Santa would love something. Kids run up giving him cookies and milk, like a lot of oreos in the hand. He's like, all right, kids, enough with the cookies. Enough cook but don't.

1:03:40 Worry, We'll check back in with George h plenty. So we now see that Gus has moved Carolyn and Lloyd upstairs. He's tied them together, facing each other on the bed. They're still doing bickering, and they're also trying to get loose. Carolyn's trying to figure out how to get the bungee cord loose, and that's while meanwhile Gus is hearing about Jesse's the linquid side goes through the room in and finds it finds in trunk. The baby Jesus. And this is one of the things I love, is that so well, first of all, when they're tied together, they they also start to find a moment of levity together, which is really sweet, where they're kind of commenting on the fact that they are rubbing against each other trying to you know, do whatever. Well, what accuses her of like sleeping with him, Like you want to sleep with him, don't you. But when Gus walks into this kid's room, it's just so great because he looks around the room and immediately knows where bad things are hidden. Yeah, because he's like, well, if this kid's a delinquent, I'm a delinquent.

1:04:35 I know what you know, I know where it'll be finds the baby Jesus. Like, but it's also it's not just it's also because like the kid's mom is in denial, and maybe if they paid more attention, they'd know he was getting into this kind of trouble. And I think that's a really telling moment too, because one thing we start to realize very quickly about Gus is that Gus is a sympathetic person. He is not just a simple athetic character as in you feel bad for him, but I mean he's a sympathetic person. He looks at their situation. He's like, why the what the fuck is wrong with you people? Yeah, like why are you so angry? Why are you so sad? Like if you haven't talk about it, Jesus, you know. And I that's because that whole sequence just you know, did you say you'd quit did you see this.

1:05:23 It's like they're so overwhelmed with their bag. It's the only way you can get them to actually speak honestly to each other and knit they're wrong, it's with a gun in their face. So good, so good, so good. And by this point, Gus is also kind of even more coming undone because George told them, you know that Willard called these radio stations, said he's gonna offer one hundred thousand to anybody that turns them in. So now Gus doesn't know if he can trust anybody either. Well, he shouldn't trust anybody any now, I mean, just like the tagline of the hit film The Room, can anyone really trust anybody? So meanwhile, Carolyn's trying to wiggle out of the binds and she's like, you know, Lloyd, move your hand and he's like, that's not my hand. And she's like, well, what is that And he's like it's nothing, and she's like, doesn't feel like nothing, and he's like it's the friction, exposing that Lloyd has an erection while they're tied together.

1:06:08 Wow, David, look at David with the with the clinical terminology direction erection. Yeah, I thought you would say he has a sport and a bit of wood. He has a bona, a bonu, a bona. The bishop is awake and ready for mass, so he states. It's just a friction. Gus coming in comments, Lloyd, you animal, and he also questions didn't you leave yet, and Gus like, well, did you hear the phone ring? And that's when they remind him that, you know, they can't he can't keep them tied up all night. They have guests coming over, Jesse's coming over, and that's when Gus is like, you know, well, I guess we're just gonna have to make do with what we got and starts untying them to use some of the bungee cords for Jesse when he arrives. Yeah, because they explain they have nothing else to tie him up. Yeah. So meanwhile Gary and the family are being stopped at a police checkpoint, and that's when mother Rose is like, I can't believe they're doing this to people on Christmas Eve.

1:06:54 And that's when Connie is just like, you know, well, there's a criminal out and they got to catch him. And Mary's like, maybe in the true spirit of Chris, they'll catch him and let him go, and Connie's like, who would do that? I don't know Republicans, which is a funny throwaway line, but it's also a really good example that Mary is the more outspoken child. Yeah, and the one who's willing to say something that's gonna piss somebody in the family. Oh yeah, Because then that becomes more apparent when we get to the delightful dinner sequence. Dinner sequence, So back at the house, Gus reeties Carolyn and Lloyd to their bedpost, now Chastisinglloy's for his simple mindedness because basically, what does he say at this point, This is where Lloyd is basically kind of calling us out for his for his act that he can't get away, like you know, you're a criminal, You're gonna get caught.

1:07:38 He's like, fuck you, Lloyd, I work for a living. Yeah yeah, yeah, He's like, I not all of us can just open a restaurant. I haven't closed, and he's just you told him, you told him out the restaurant. You can bring up his rich mother. And that's when Lloyd quickly shut them up and he's like, you know, well, you know, I would love to be care free and live like you do and take classes but somebody has to pick up the bill, so just excuse the shit of me. So good, No, it's it's the way everything is woven together. Yeah. I love when people are pulled into shit that has nothing to do with them. But the level of absurdity of this scenario makes it exquisitely funny. Yeah. So discussion is cut short as we hear Jesse arrive downstairs.

1:08:19 Gus tells him to be quiet as we Jesse go into his room, hiding a briefcase full of money under the floorboards. As he takes the floorboard up and just puts the stacks right under before going into their room, he quickly sees his parents tied up, and that's when Gus tells him put his hands behind his back. Jesse realizes who he is and he's like, you know what are you doing? Like this isn't your remo? You do like robbery hostages. It's a no win situation. Kid is so versed in being a criminal, it's so good. But Gus is like, you know you too, like you know what, this family needs a mute, and I'm gonna remind everybody right now I have a gun. Gun. Gun. So that's when Gus takes notice that the apple does not fall far from the tree. He reminds me he has a gun, and then they try to explain once again they have company coming over and he's like, well, dinner's canceled, and like, well, it can't be canceled.

1:09:02 They're on their way here. And that's when he's like, you know, as soon as I as soon as he get my call, I'll leave. And that's when Jesse goes. It smells like piss, Just get in the other room. Yeah, yeah, I love that he becomes sensitive about the fact that he smells like cappy. Yeah. So at the station, the officers are sitting around watching a cable broadcast if It's a Wonderful Life, and one of them is like, you know, I've never seen this before. And the guy's like, what don't you live in America And he's like, well, you know, it's always on, but you know, busy with the holidays and whatnot, cooking and the kids. So that's when Lieutenant Huff comes in and he's like, you know what about the show you does not leave this room. Give it a chance. Look at this plays the tape and it's the video of the robbery. It's nice falling down the chuote and that's when they realize it's Willard's place. Suddenly he's like, you know, he gets a call and he's like, you know, hey, I want you to watch this, but you know, wait till I get back and we'll look at this again. So the guys, being impatient, are just like, you know, well, you know what, should we watch it again?

1:09:53 We watch a little bit more, Yeah, but we could just watch a little bit more of the movie, and. Not knowing how the remote works, one of them accidentally hits record and then they change the station and we'll get back to that in just a second. Oh yes, oh yes, do you even? Movie will be right back. Welcome back to do You Even? Movie? So, meanwhile, Murray arrives at Windsor Harbor. He quickly finds a boat and he starts stepping on it and a woman comes out and she's like, you know, who are you what are you doing? And he's like, I'm Murray and she's like, what do you want? We cut away from them. Back at the house, Lloyd questions Jesse on how did he get home, while Carolyn tries to talk to him, but Lloyd interrupts and that's when Jesse makes up a lie that he rode with a friend. Lloyd's like, you know what friend, and he's like, fine, I took a limo?

1:10:46 How did you afford a limo? Meanwhile, all this is happening, Gus is in the bathroom, turning the water on, putting his fingers in his ears, going. Just trying to escape these people for five seconds. So then they all start arguing again. Gus comes out of the room and he's like, you know how, God, I thought you all were family, Like, how can you talk to each other like this? So he asked, you know, what's the quickest way to the dock, and that causes another argument and Jesse's like, you know, there's a path through the woods. They don't agree with that, and that's when they start arguing again. Jesse looks at Gus and goes, you're never getting out of here, you know that, right, So we cut back to the station as Huff realizes or Huff goes back out and he's like, Okay, you know, we don't have much time because he knows the state police are coming for this tape, which you know, they never explained how he got it. So he's like you know, we don't have much time. Remember any characteristics that you can.

1:11:35 He goes to push play and it's a scene from It's a Wonderful Life, and he's like, well, that can't be right. Rewinds it again. The scene plays, and that's when they realize they taped over the tape. Right as a guy arrives and he's like, mister huff, I hear you have some evidence for the state police. Remember what I said about Uh, he'd been angry for a long time about the peace. Yeah, there you go. So Gus paces back at the house twirling a doll around by the smoking a cigarette, and that's when Lloyd's like, excuse me, could you be careful with those dolls? Oh? I'm sorry. It just takes it and just zips the head right off and throws this. So a TV news report cuts in and Willard has now raised the reward from one hundred thousand dollars to two hundred thousand dollars. Gus smokes a cigarette, adding he's in hell, Connecticut's the fifth Circle of Hell. Suddenly the smoke alarm starts going off. It's right above him, but he can't just jump up and get it, so he gives to get a chair, goes right through the chair, stands on the bed, falls off the bed. When he falls off the bed, though, the gun gets loose. Jesse has gotten loose at this point. He gets the gun and he's pointing it on Gus, and that's when Carolyn and Luter like, you know, Jesse, be careful, like stop what.

1:12:36 You're doing, and Gus is like shut up. He's like, you know, are you gonna shoot a kid? And he's like, I'll shoot you and he's like, I don't think you will, gets the upper hand, gets it away from Jesse, then shoots the smoke detector, killing it. Yes, And that's another sign you know that the parents clearly care about Jesse a whole lot, because when he has the gun, their first thought is just give him back the gun. Yeah, don't try to be the guy who shoots him. Yeah, you know you don't. So Gus walks over with the phone to Carolyn and that's when it's Connie, who they've stopped at the convenience store that they stopped at when Gush kidnapped them, and they're getting more snacks, and that's when she's like, oh, you know, we are caught in traffic, but will be there soon. I hope that dinner's hot. Can't wait. Ah, So they're gonna be there in twenty minutes. And that is when we see Siskel is also at the military academy. He's listening to Blue Christmas. The phone rings.

1:13:21 It's his wife and she's like, honey, where are you? Your family's here? The kids are asking about you? And he's looking at the negatives of the photos. Yeah, he's reflecting on everything. Yeah, he says, he's got something to do and then I'll be home. So back at the house, Gus has now moved Jesse into a closet, tied him to a chair, and that's when you know, Jesse's like, you know, hey man, you know I've got some money, and you know I know a quick way of the docks. And that's when Gus is like, you know, kids, shut up, Like you don't know what you're talking about. And do you want to take it from here? I mean you talk about when he wants he wants to run away with Gus. Yeah, uh, it's just it's now. He basically explains that his life is stealing a bunch of stuff. Yeah. Usually he runs off the Jamie Hm fences the stuff for about half what it's actually worth. Yep, hangs out with a buddy, drinks my ties, then the money runs out, comes home, does it all over again, but this time is supposed to but even he's cynical about it. Yeah, this time is the one last score supposed to stop doing it. Yeah, but like his life is just it's so sad. And then he even says, you know, it may sound uh, yeah, it sounds cool to a teenager.

1:14:25 Yeah when you're fifteen, but it's you're pretty sex. Sad when you're thirty five years old. You have no house, no wife, no kids, nobody who gives a shit whether you live or die. And then I go on, I watched Go see kids like you going on Oprah and just bitching about when you have everything available to you. Yeah, and he's like, welcome to the real world where things don't go your fucking way. Yeah, such a good line. Well, and then he says, but everything does go your way. Yeah, he's just like a gun. Yeah, and then he and then he says, you know, I thought you were smart. Yeah, I guess I was wrong. Because I was wrong. So he gags him closing him up into the closet, and that's when he goes out to Carolyn and Lloyd and he says, all right, house rules, no phone, no TV, no fighting. If you fight, I'll take your son with me. And he's like, now, tell me about this doctor as he's putting on a tie. So that's when we see that he is going to pose as the marriage counselor.

1:15:08 Yes, he will be doctor Wong, doctor Wong. So back at the station, Huff is told by the Bayview guy Bob, and he's like, you know, hey, the state police are your men? Are to report to me? Blah blah blah. You know. Oh and by the way, your Christmas present came in. I talked to my friend, the mayor, and he says, you're to be out of here the day after Christmas. You know. Isn't that a lovely Noel? Oh, this is so brutal. And that's when Huff says, Bob, I nailed your wife last year. You were out of town and I nailed her after the Bayview citizens meeting. Three times, Bob, we went three times. She said, you never go three times, Bob. And that's exit to the movie. Yeah, that's that's it. He just says that to him.

1:15:49 It's so good. I like, I just I can't imagine how the writer came up with that. Yeah, but it's perfection. It's so good. So back at the house, the deputies Phil and Steve arrive knocking on the door because they want to see Gary, their old high school friends, and that's and Lloyd answers the door and they're like, you know, it's Gary here, and he's like, oh, you know, not here. Meanwhile, Gus and Carolyn are hiding in the closet. Gus goes to lean on the on the rack and the whole rod gives out, so he falls, and the guys think it's Carolyn. So they're like, you know, we'd love to say hello, you know, we'd love to come in. And that's when Lloyd invites them in, walks him to the kitchen, but then he gets pulled into the closet by Gus and he's like, you know, what the hell'd. You bring him in for? And he's like, well, you know, they heard a sound. What was I supposed to do?

1:16:30 And he's like, she could have been upstairs taken a shower, wrapping presence, and he's like, what is this a liar's convention? What is this a liar's convention? I don't I did the best I could. They and he even mentions like it'd be weird if I didn't let them in because I've known them. Since high school. Yeah, He's like, it would have been more suspicious to do that. So upstairs in the closet we see Jesse is getting to work, trying to get free of his binds. Downstairs, the deputies using the phone have like called his wife and he's like, you know, I'm not gonna pick up wine. Your brother can suck on grapes, all right, I'll pick up the milk and the donuts. And that's when he's like, well, hang on there. Getting another call and we see that it's Murray and he's like Gussie and he's like, no, this is a deputy. Sudd and such. Who is this? And he's like ah and just hangs up. So that's when he's like, you know what, hung up? And he's like, oh, must have been a wrong number.

1:17:10 Calls back, Carolyn takes it and she fakes it it's somebody that she knows, and that's when he's like. Who gives the rats? Ask how I feel where's Gussie. Yeah. So then when Gus goes to answer the phone, before he can get to it. She set the phone out. Here's the cops talking about stuff. So he hangs up again, thinking that the cops are onto them. Yeah. So that's when, you know, he goes and plug the phone back in and he's like, you know, Murray, and Murray hangs up again and he's like he hung up, and he's like, well, Carolyn's like, well, he sound distressed, and he's like he should be. He's gonna die a horrible fucking death. And right as he. Finishes saying that, we hear Connie go Carolyn from the bottom of the steps, and that's when Carolyn says, speak of the devil. Literally, So this this woman, Oh man, this woman.

1:17:57 So the three join Gary and Connie downstairs with their family and mother Rose. That's when Phil and his deputy you know, call out to Gary and that's when they see them. That's when Gus and Lloyd go down to meet Mother Rose, and that's when she's like, you know, I want to go upstairs and like, you know, drop my bags, I'll get him. Well, I want to take my shoes off. Oh well, you know, go barefoot hell bohemian Christmas. I can be with that. He's just trying so hard to keep her from going upstairs. Yeah, and she's like, you know, why do you always get weird about around family gathering. He's like, it's actually Carolyn. You know, she's nervous about the dinner. You know, why don't you go into the kitchen, you know, see if she needs need to help, give her some give her some input. And she's like, give her some pointers, some advice, all right, walks on, Oh my gosh. She also, you know, ask who is who is Gus? And he's like, you know, this is doctor Wong and she's like, you're a Wong and he's like, oh, my father was Iris and your mother wasn't.

1:18:43 Solid joke. So she immediately is starting to see through to Gus. And that's when we also see that Murray calls back. Gus answers the phone and he's like, you know, how do I know this his Gus? And he's like, well, you know, when I see, I'm gonna rip every single hair out of your ball sack. He's like, Gus, Gus. So that's when he tells him, you know, they got a boat. But the woman's the next con, and gust by this point has lost it. He's laughing. He's like, you know, because the news just keeps coming, and he's like, she's a next con and he's like. You know, what's going on? What else? He's like, well, you know, the boat needs work, and he's like how long is that gonna take? And he's like, our hour and a half hour, you have an hour? One hour? Do you even? Movie will be right back, welcome back to do You Even?

1:19:34 Movie? So that's when we see the police have also started going house to house searches, which is something Jesse mentioned earlier that could happen stopping. Because after roadblocks and curfew, the next step would be house to house searching. Stopping at the Christmas party where George is, Sanna is, and that's when we see that he's gotten into the champagne. He's feeling good. He's like, you know, I'd love to toast these officers because the cops are like, you know, well, isn't it cool to see Santa? You know, I'm so happy I have to see him. And that's when he toasts them, and the kid's like, you know, Santa doesn't drink champagne, Santa drinks milk and cookies. George lays into this kid and basically says, Santa's lacto. You have lactose in tolerant, and if he keeps drinking milking cookies, you want Santa farting down everybody's chimneys.

1:20:14 And the King is just scared out. Yeah, he's because he's drunk and angry. Drunk it angry. And then he goes up, pulls his beard down, shoots the champagne back. Yep, so good legend. So at the house we have come to probably one of the most famous scenes in the movie, because dinner has commenced, Dear Lord, and dinner is in honor of Saint Lucia, who was a woman who gave her dowry to the poor people at her village, causing her husband, who wanted to marry her, or causing her husband to be enraged and sentence her to be burnt the steak. But she was so Caroline says, so powerful that the flames surrounded her and she. Did not burn. So then they had to stabber to death with spears. I mean, it's a it's like a fairy tale.

1:20:55 This Christmas Dinner is nothing that you would expect. They also have these crowns on their head that her ivy that have freaking candles in them, like. Four cardles each on top of their heads. And that's when you know, she tells them like why they're wearing this, and of course Mother Rose is like, you know, I don't care what it is. My forehead's blistering. I won't be wearing that. So she takes it off and we just see the food and that. Everybody starts getting into it, and Mother Rose begins to question Gus about you know, you know what, what school did you come from and all this stuff, and that's when there's so much dialogue in the scene. It's article, it's nuts, but they're and they're all picking at these weird like cornish game hens that they each have one of, and loot fisk and all this stuff just around and they're they're basically talking about the therapy that they're going through. But at the same time, Gus is constantly controlling the conversation.

1:21:43 Controlling the conversation, and that's when Connie even asked him, you know, you know what, what's the planet? You know, where's Jesse and there and Lloyd's like, oh, well, he's in a friend and she's like on Christmas Eve, and Gus is like, well, that was my idea, because when one is constructing highways of communication between two people, it's good to clear the road and introduce exit sign. And Connie goes, that's interesting. I think I heard the same thing on Oprah a couple of weeks ago. Maybe, so I love that too, because that you just got outed, Gus. Yeah, you watch Oprah. So mother Rose asked if they've discussed Carolyn's adultery, causing Carolyn to get pissed, and she's like, you told your mother and Rose is like, you know, well why wouldn't he tell me? You know, he was distraught and he had to come to his mother. So she goes to leave the table, and Gus is like Carolyn, and Connie's like, you know, is that a rule that she can't leave?

1:22:26 So that's when Carolyn just grabs a bottle of wine, pours herself a tall glass, and it's just like, yeah, doctor Wong, why don't you tell us all about your procedures? Yeah, oh my gosh, it's so good. So Gus bullshits for a bit, and that's when mother Rose tells her of her marriage being chosen because there were two families that wanted to join farms. And that's when is it Connie, that's like, you know, well what our Gus is like, what farms? And Carolyn goes pig farms. So Lloyd asked, you know, for more wine, and Carolyn says, oh, we're out. I gotta go to the kitchen and get more. So Gus goes to join them, and that's when he goes to take off his hat or his crown and he burns himself. He said, Peter, goddamn dinner. Goddamn dinner. So Gus joins him in the kitchen and that's when she's like, you know, I can't believe you told your mother.

1:23:08 And he's like, you know, what was I supposed to do? And you know, that's when Gus is like, your mother's a fucking bitch. He just lays into it. Yeah. Yeah, he's like, you're not supposed to take signs. He's like, she's a bitch, Lloyd. So he's like, you know, we gotta keep up appearances. You know, we'll just get through the dinner and figure it out from there. Meanwhile, George is so drunk at the party that he is being kicked out. The family's on the porch and they're just like, you know, I can't believe you, George, like, you know, go home, and the kid's like, Santa was mean to me. And he walks out of their front step and then takes a piss. Yeah, right in front of your yard, you know, Santa. You know, maybe well Santa won't come back here. Maybe you can hit your own lousy cooking. Maybe Santa, I'll take a flight with the Easter buddy to fucking can coon and pisses and bumps his dick in the bush because he goes out.

1:23:52 I love them when he peas because they have like this mass of steam team. Uh you up in front of him as he peas in the bush. Yeah. So back at the house, Carolyn is now sharing the adult version story of her and Lloyd's life together, and that's when Lloyd is like, you know, honey, why'n't she eats something? And she goes, why don't you eat me? So she's really drunk. She's really drunk at this point. So Connie tells her, you know, kids go in the living room. This is not a conversation for children, and Rose is like, well, this is not a conversation for adults either. So Carolyn getting drunker, calls Lloyd a phony bastard as he's trying to get the situation under control. That's when Gus is like, you know, Carolyn, shut up, and he tells everybody that they're going to go in the living room for coffee and dessert and then they're gonna open presents. Connie's like, well, we can't open presents, and he's like why not, and he's like, well, we have to wait till Christmas. And he's like, well, you know what, tonight, we're gonna open presents because we can do it whenever we want.

1:24:38 Because we're adults. We can do whatever we want to. And that's when she's kind of hit John throughout the movie, and he's like, you know, if you hit that kid again, I swear to God, I'm gonna stay that whole BIG's head. Up your ass. I love that. I love that. Like her son is just this little chubby kin. Yeah, and she keeps his whacking him with her hand, is like, you hit the kid one more time, sho that whole pick up your ass. So that's when mother Rose goes into the living room and she's like, where's my porch? It over the fireplace in the kitchen. Carolyn is like, basically, you know, telling us that she doesn't care anymore. And that's when Gus has to remind her that Jesse's upstairs and he'll take him with him if she keeps actition. Like this, Yeah, we have to worry about him. So that's when we see Carolyn kind of sober up. She takes a glass of water, and then we cut to the living room where we see they're sitting down for dessert. The coffee comes out and she's like, you know, what's that and she's like, oh, it's a such and such and such and Mother Rose goes, ah, sounds too sweet.

1:25:29 So Carolyn, who. Has this plate literally like two feet above the table, it's just like and don't eat it and just drop drows it splashes whipped cream all over care. I love it. Theat it. So that's when you know, Gus is like, you know, we'll have about a little music. So they put on some nat King Cole. They start passing out presents. We see that Mary from Mother Rose has gotten a really ugly sweater with a. Poodle on it, hideous sweater. She got a Connie. Slipper socks, which she's like, oh, slipper socks, I've always wanted. Them, and she whispers. She's like, what is she gonna do? Be buried with it? And Gary's like, that's the idea, that's the plan. So she gets to a present that is from Lloyd, and that's when Carolyn does not want to get from Lloyd.

1:26:14 Gus tries to intervene once more, and Rose speaks up and she's like, you know, Carolyn's just a nasty, selfish woman who thinks only of herself, ruining my poor boy, blah blah blah blah. And Carolyn's like, why don't you sleep with them and just save everybody all. That, and something like why don't you sleep with them and spare the rest of them, spare the rest of us, And even Gus just goes damn. And that's when Lloyd uses the moment to announce, you know, Carolyn, what does this matter anyway? You've made up your mind, and everybody's like, you know what's going on. He's like, Carolyn and I are ending our marriage. You know, she's getting a divorce, she's leaving and that's when Carry goes, why one of the funniest moments why, So we see that Jesse upstairs is getting more and more loose out of his binds. He falls over the chair. We cut back downstairs as a mother Rose is given a wallet from the fam, from Gary's family, and that's when Lloyd's like, here this is you know, this is put in the wall.

1:27:00 It's in next payment on the house. And she says, oh, well, we'll have to see what interest rates are in the new year. And that's when Carolyn under her voice says, cock sucker. I to have a loan with your family with that high of an interest rate, yeah, and then it's a variable literary, she could renegotiate the rate. There's a level of cruelty I don't even understand. So the two get into it once again because Mother Rose is like, you know, what'd she say? And that's when Gary goes to repeat it and Connie. El he's about to say it, and she stops him. So Carolyn basically lays into her. She's like, you know, why do we keep living under the shadow with this one?

1:27:41 Why? Because she has money and you've got one kid that can't say boo to his wife, another one that's afraid to take any chances. And that's when Lloyd takes the opportunity and he's like, you know, or she mentions that, you know, you get one bad review and one bad magazine and just you say, that's in with the restaurant. Lloyd's like, it wasn't one bad review and one bad magazine. When the guidebook of New York wreck amends you to a group of hindus looking for a night out of fasting, what do you do? Change the menu, close the restaurant? Yeah, And she disagrees. She thinks you stand up to it. Yeah, because that's when he ran home to mom and you know, that's that's when she got shut out. Jesse got shut out. She can't live like this, you know, she'd rather be tattooed working at a bar than living with a corpse. And that's when Lloyd approaches her to set the record straight, and he's like, you know, wait, you know, I want you to remind you of something, you know before you go, Like the decision was left up to me. I didn't want to take the money.

1:28:27 You were the one that said we should. And she's like, no, that's not true. And he's like, yeah, it was. You know, we were sitting in our apartment on such and such street. We were smoking a joint, listen to al Green, And that's when Cottie's had it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, you know, I've had it. You know, this is a Christmas of hearing about people getting stabbed and affairs and weed, and you know, I just can't take it anymore. And that's when Gus tells her to shut up once again, and Lloyd continues that, you know, Carolyn didn't want to work, you know, they were up to their ears in debt. And that's when Rose goes, what difference does it make? You're both getting divorced anyway, And. She's so happy when she says it. Yeah, And that's when Lloyd says, mother, is it possible for you to shut the fuck up for five seconds? Oh my god, it's so good, it's so satisfying. Before this, though, while they were getting into it, Lloyd walks over to the Christmas tree with a fire poker.

1:29:11 Yeah, and he basically you know how you tap a glass to get attention. Yeah, Well, he's whacking the trees. He excuse me, excuse. Me, that's flying everywhere. The corpse still has the floor. I love that line. You know they're up to their ears in dead and you know that what's the difference. And that's when she's like, you know, you can't say that to me. And he's like, you know what, mom, you know what I'm gonna get you for next Christmas? A big wooden cross. That way, when you feel so underappreciated for all your sins and tributes, you can climb up to it. And nail yourself to it. Perfect, so perfect. So that's when Mother Rose is like, Gary, get my bags, I'm leaving. And that's when Connie's like, get him yourself, and she's like, who the hell do you think you are? Slip or sucks medium. So that's when she tries to go upstairs. The doorbell rings once again. Mother Rose is going up the steps. Gus looks out and sees that Cisco is there. Now yeah, He's like, what is the army?

1:29:58 Army? What am I fucking Oswa army? What are my fucking Oswald? So he goes to grab Mother Rose. She starts elbowing him. He puts his hand over her mouth, puts a gun to her head, and that's when Connie's like, is this also part of the therapy? Because the family surrounded the stairs at this point, So that's when he says, everybody into the den, and that's when we see Jesse is now free. Here's that Ciskel is downstairs. He's telling Carolyn Lloyd about the blackmail in the den. Gus is against the door with his gun still out, listening, and we see that John and Mary have tied up both Gary, Connie and Rose, and also Sean is just. Wrapping endless rolls a tape around his mom's mouth. Yeah, he's like, hey, that's enough, that's enough. A whole. The kids are so happy to just gag their parents.

1:30:40 Do you even? Movie will be right back, welcome back to do you even? Movie? And mother Rose going off on Gus. She's like, you know, I knew you were a fraud. You know, I knew you were this. You know you'll never get away. You have you know, people just like you, you know want to get away because they don't want to tell how small their penises are. Yeah. She just rips into him in every way, like from your shoddy shoes to your ridiculous hair cut. Yeah, you'll either be captured or killed one less burden in society and that's when he's like, you know, lady, I'd like to tell you to the back of a fucking truck. And she says, you don't have the ball, and that's when Lloyd has to intervene because Gus is just about to whale on her.

1:31:26 It's so funny though, because he's holding back. He's like, don't do it's worth worth I just hate her so much. I know, I know, I know, I know. Mary's so good. Gag your grandma. Oh great. There are so many quotable moments in this movie, and Mary Gag your Grandma is one of them. That's what That's what Gus is like, you know, I don't get it, Like I thought mothers were supposed to be sweet forgiving, you know, I know loan sharks that are more forgiving than you. Lady. Your husband's not dead. He's hiding. That line. So the three walk off to find Jesse, who is in his room getting the money out. This is the first time now that Lloyd and Carolyn have seen the money, and Lloyd's like, you know, can I ask you one thing? And he's like, you know, sure, Dad, and he's like, you know, what do you need all that money for? Basically starts yelling him again, and Carolyn tries to intervene, and that's when Jesse's like, you know, no, I've had it, you know, Gus, you know, take He's livid.

1:32:09 He's knocks some things off the desk. He says, like, what is it? What is it? Drugs? Yeah, he's just not listening. He's doing the the rageful dad stick. So he's like, you know, Gus, I'm coming with you, and he's like, what am I the circus? I'm not taking it with me. So that's when the doorbell sounds again, and Carolyn stays with Jesse and she's like, you know, you know, stay here, we'll talk about this. And he's like, you know what, you know, whatever happens to me your dad And he's like, what are you guys getting a divorce? And she's like, you know, we'll talk about it. You know, it's not your concern. He's like, actually, it is my concern. Like I'm part of the family, you know, I want you guys to be happy. And she's like, you know, well, you know I want to stay. Your dad wants to get divorced. What do you want? And this whole time. Gus is like, you know, Carolyn, come on, and she's like, you know, just wait, and she's like, you know, well, we'll figure this out. And he's like, what about ciscool.

1:32:54 She's like, we'll figure something out. We'll give him the money back, we'll give him the negatives back, and she goes downstairs. So the three of them are going downstairs, but they're stopped because we hear somebody go hey, and we find out that an inebriated George, still in the Santa Claus gear, is in the house and you just let himself in, just let himself in. He's having another drink and he's like, you know, my wife thinks that you guys don't like us, even though every year we give you a fruit. K Wait a minute, you had a. Gun a gun, didn't you. Yeah. It's so great because they're about to walk to the door and then we see him. He just puts the gun behind his back. You had a gun. And he's like no, no, me, no, and he's like. You're guy they're looking for you, the guy they're looking for. But then he gets angry. He's like, you know, just calm down, and he points the gun on me. He's like, you wait, you're gonna point a gun on me. You can't beat me up.

1:33:37 I'm Santa Claus. So he charges him. Gus lays him out with one punch, and Gus goes, great, I just beat up Santa Claus. Quite a rare night for Gus. So more cops now are arriving at the house. Jesse comes downstairs and says, the house is surrounded. You know, what are they gonna do? You know, we could hide him in the mudroom. You know, there's hostage all over, like Gus, and they're going back and forth. Meanwhile, Lloyd's looking on the front. We see him thinking. They go back and forth for a couple of minutes, and that's when he's like, you know, Jesse taking through the path of the woods that they had mentioned earlier about the docks, and he's like, you know, path through the woods. And Jesse's surprised. He's like, his dad's helping this criminal when he can't believe it. And that's and Lloyd even says, you know what, I can't keep sending everybody I care about to prison. Which is awesome because he's acknowledging that sending Jesse to the military school. Yeah was was, you know, not the perfect way to go.

1:34:26 So Jesse agrees to it, and they go to runoff, and that's when George's. Like, ah, well, the other the other thing that's really important about that sequence is he's also trusting Jesse to come home to come home, yeah yeah, and trusting Gusts to an extent as well as which I love. Yeah. So that's when we stopped for a second and we see the cops are going up to the house. They looked through the window and we got a couple of bogies. They opened the door and we see that Carolyn and Lloyd are now tied up with gags in their mouth. They remove the gags and they just start bickering again, just like they did before, like, you know, thank. God you're here. You know he took off, blahlah blah blah. You know he went this way, No, he was going that way. They're just going at it again, and that's when the cops are like, excuse us, are there any other hostages in the house, And the two of them look at each other and go.

1:35:08 No, no. But it's it's perfect because this is what was the problem from the beginning. So now they're they're just fighting and bickering in slow draws. Yeah, and to keep them from getting any information. So that's when we see Jesse and Guss, who is now disguised in the Santa outfit or running through the snow, going through the woods. Lloyd and Carolyn back are getting untied, and they're feeding the cops of bullshit story that he was going to Yugoslavia. There is no Yugoslavia anymore, like all this. He said he was going to get a private play and she's like, no, he said he was going to Vancouver. Yeah. Where they just keep going and going. And going, And that's when the cops are like excuse me, and they're like, oh, you want to come down and give our statements, And all the cops are like oh no. No, no, no, no, no no, yeah, they're very Christmas.

1:35:49 You have a good one. Yeah. So that's when Gus and Jesse make it to the docks. Right as they do, the cop car with Phil and his his other cadet come through and they're like, you know, George, it's after curfew, go home home, George home. So Jesse wishes Gus well and he's like, you know, I think things are gonna be different with mom and dad now. If or not, I'll blackmail him, see you, Gus, And that's when he goes to walk away, and Gus goes, see. A kid, I'm never having children, never having children. So back at the house, Carolyn and Lloyd now at the bottom of the steps and join a glass of wine and he's like, you know, well, what are we gonna do? And she's like, you know, should we should we on tire him? No, we'll wait till the morning. You know, it'll be more festive about way, and she goes, no, I was actually talking about us, and that's when Lloyd gives it a second, goes in for a kiss. They're getting ready to kiss, and that's when John comes out and he goes, I hate to interrupt, but Grandma is eating through her gag.

1:36:39 Such a frigging quotable movie. So the movie ends as we see Murray and Gus and the woman on the boat sailing away, and that's when Gus is like, you know, you're a real piece of work. I'll say that, get out of the way. And that's when Murray is. Like, you know, Gus. When we get to open presents, and that's when Gus goes into a tyridy, he goes press presence. I'll tell you about presence. I'll tell you what I'll save you the trouble. Basically, he's gonna put him into a cannon. He's gonna shoot him out, he's gonna go collect the ashes. He's gonna put him on his fireplace, go back to his house and watch the Charlievin chrisispetial while he drinks a gallon of whiskey. Yeah, he's like, that's not gonna do the whole time rate. And that's when Murray's like, you know, Gus, what's that smell? Shut up? And that, my friends, is nineteen ninety Four's the.

1:37:19 Ref cannot say enough positive things about this movie. Absolutely, I just love it. Every time I watch it, I love it more. It's funny, it's heartwarming, it's comforting. Yeah, it's everything I want from a movie. So would you like to know some fun things about the film? Maybe fun ish? So the what do you think the budget was? You probably just saw it? Actually did I saw it? One? I'm not going to guest. So estimated at twelve million dollars is the budget. It comes out March thirteenth, nineteen ninety four. That makes fucking sense. Yeah uh. It brings in opening weekend three million dollars. Overall grosses in US and Canada about eleven million.

1:38:00 Yeah, flop, benflopped. Yeah. It was shot in Ontario, Canada, during the fall of nineteen ninety three. I called it You did. The film's premise came from. Former copywriter Mary Weesese after a fight with her husband, the producer Jeff Weiss. She later admitted the fight prompted an interesting scenario in her mind. When two people in the middle of argument can't agree on anything, wouldn't it be interesting thing if a third party could come in and mediate. Even with the idea of a marriage counselor, Weese came up with the notion of a street smart criminal who unwillingly becomes a bickering couple's voice of reason. While it was Weese's first screenplay, her Ace in the Hole happened to be a relative who also was an OSCAR nominated screenwriter, her brother in law, Richard log Andres, who nabbed the nominate a nomination few years earlier for The Fisher King. Okay, when the first two seconds, well, Richard started as just a consultant, offering notes and ideas to his sister in law. When the first draft was in good shape, they took it the Touchstone Pictures, Disney's live action division. Their pitch was so effective the studio approved the project within twenty minutes, but with one big caveat of which the studio had any serious notes on the script.

1:38:59 It would be up to Richard to revise it. Okay, I mean that makes sense. So, according to Richard, he worked on the screenplay for a year, with Disney's notes being described as unending. He finished the first draft and washed his hands of it, even telling the execs he was done working on it. Dennis Leary had signed a three picture deal with Disney, and his collaborator Ted Lemmy brought the screenplay to Leary. Leary and Lemmy liked it so much they brought Richard back to revise the script, with who continued working on the script throughout the production, which due to filming due to the film being mostly shot in sequence. Okay, I mean that makes sense. The ref was JK. Simmons' film debut, as he made a name for himself on the Broadway stage before this. Of course, his character Ciskell was a dig at film critic Gene Siskell, who'd given the Fisher Kings screenplay a big thumbs down back in nineteen ninety one. Nice Gene Siskell would go on to state it felt that it was strange form of revenge and wondered if his name being said over and over again wasn't ultimately a distraction for audiences, adding he wished someone like Jack Nicholson would have played him in the role. Ciskell did not mention the personal poke during the television show when they reviewed the movie.

1:40:02 Well that's nice, I guess. Yeah. The character of Gus's facial hair in the movie was supposedly controversial. The reason set a source on set of the film than Disney chief Jeffrey Katzenberg allegedly hated facial hair, just any facial hair rubbed him the wrong way. If that is indeed true, Leary and Demi got away with one because Gus's particular goatee ends up being rather memorable. Yeah, well, I mean it gives Leary like a It makes him not just Dennis Leary, because Dennis Leary generally was clean shaven. Do you even movie will be right back? Welcome back to Do You Even Movie.

1:40:48 In the original ending, Gus allows himself to be caught by the police in order to send a message to Jesse, to whom he's taken a liking to, the message being this is the life you're headed towards if you don't change. Test audiences hated that ending and wanted to see Gus escape, so the studio quickly shot the ending we see in the film, where Gus go's free and everyone lives happily ever after. Sometime later, Demian Leary would express disappointment that they went with the happier ending, having preferred the original ending. More. I don't know how I'd feel about that original ending. I would like to see it. It's never been released at all. I don't think we're ever going to see that. That probably not. Disney strangely decided not to save the ref for a holiday season release, instead opening it in the middle of March nineteen ninety four. The film was released only seven hundred theaters instead of a genuine wide release. During its box office run, the largest theater count was eight hundred and sixty one, making a little over eleven million dollars.

1:41:34 It later found a wider audience through home video and cable TV airings, becoming a cult movie and an alternative to the traditional Christmas. Movie during the holiday season. That checks out to me. Dennis Leary's line Lady, your husband ain't dead, he's hiding is a direct quote of a line from the classic Abad and Costello routine Sasquina Hat Company, that was immortalized in the film Society in nineteen forty four. Oh okay. When released in the United Kingdom, the ref was retitled Hostile Hostages. That's a good title too, It works. The film's name Chessure is French for hunter. Oh, although they huguenot. Although they come close a couple of times, Carolyn Lloyd never kissed throughout the movie. Yeah, that's yeah.

1:42:15 When Dennis Leary shoots the smoke detector to stop it from beeping, it is the only time his gun is fired in the entire film. Which makes sense, and it'd be weird if he killed the Santa. Yeah. On the film's movie poster and video cover, Dennis Leary's legs are the exact same length, even though one is bent. Hey wait a second. The ref appeared on Entertainment Weekly's list of fifty Best Movies You've Never Seen. In June July sixteenth of twenty twelve issue, and in the year two thousand, the American Film Institute included The Ref in the list of five hundred movies nominated for the Top one hundred Funniest American Films. I think that's earned, I really do. So what are your final thoughts on nineteen ninety fours The Ref? Oh, it's a by it. Yeah, it's a classic. Especially it's aged so well now I'm confident that it belonged in your movie collection. It just does. Yeah.

1:43:02 No, it's a buy it for me as well. This is one of those movies that if you haven't seen, you are doing your you haven't seen, you're doing yourself a disservice. It's so much fun. It's one that you will come back to for the one liners, for the jokes that you love so much. And also it's a great performance by Leary that I feel like he doesn't get to do a lot of really good dramatic stuff that sticks for more. So, like Rescue Me is like one of the biggest that I can think. Wow, that's a pretty big one. But I know what you mean. Yeah, so yeah, it's a buy it for me, as you know, we always like it in the show. With a couple of recommendations. My two this week. Starting off with the first one is nineteen ninety four is Trapped in Paradise, which is currently on twov. The synopsis says, residents of a friendly Pennsylvania town foile, three brothers plan to rob a bank on Christmas Eve, and the three brothers happened to be Nicholas Cage, Dana Carvey, and John Lovetts.

1:43:46 It's a pretty damn fun one, and it's a bit of a lost gem. It is the lost gem absolutely. Second to that is Mixed Nuts from nineteen ninety four, currently available on peacock. The events focused around a crisis hotline business on one crazy night during the Christmas holidays. Steve Martin, Live Schreiber, My god, I'm planking on her name, Madeline Cohn, A bunch of people in this one, even Garry Shandling. That's one that's really kind of unknown. Yeah, and great, really fun one, really really really great flick. What is your recommendation? None of your fucking business? Oh is that so? Well? No? Okay, I just I don't want you to open it. Until Christmas Fair. No, I'm gonna go with two thousand and threes. Bad Santa makes sense because it's a criminal who turns out to be not such a bad guy. It's very Christmas focused. I would say this has to be a ten out of ten on the Christmas scale, absolutely simply because it's about a Santa Claus.

1:44:38 It's about Christmas, about learning to not be a piece of shit and to love and to care. And the synopsis IMDb gives is a miserable con man and his partner poses Santa and his little helper to rob department stores on Christmas Eve, but they run into problems when the conman be friends a troubled kid. That's actually a solid one. It's available right now on Paramount Plus to watch, and it's it's a perfect Christmas movie, it really is. And I would recommend the sequel as well if you like the first one. Sequels pretty much, but the first one is just it's excelsior. It's so good. It's so quotable. Not quite as quotable as the ref but up there the ref is painfully quotable, painfully quotable. Yeah, so, but yeah, I would say Bad Santa from two thousand and three. If you haven't seen it, or if you haven't seen it in a while, put it on. You'll be you'll be glad you did.

1:45:26 Or find Batter Santa the unrated version. Well, I mean, duh. So do we have any emails this week? By chance? Who cares? Now, I'll check right now. All right, let's see. We do have one that I know of? Getting an al Tarzan over there on me. You know what, I'm amazed. I only coughed like eighty times. This is from our good buddy trnk Oh awesome. The subject is zombies. Okay, still digging the show thanks to you, guys. I love zombie movies and saw a preview for Pride, Prejudice and Zombies. Do you, gentlemen think it's worth a watch? No, trek, we saw it in theater. We were not a fan. Did we see an opening night?

1:46:07 Yeah? I think so, I think so. Yeah. We we did not love that one. It's it's a lot of pride and prejudice and some zombies. Yeah, it was surprisingly lacking in the zombie space for me. I would say, if you're looking for a zombie movie that's on the funnier side. Lisa Frankenstein is pretty good. That was pretty fun. I liked Lisa Frankenstein. If you haven't seen like Trained a Busan. I know subtitles can be an issue for some people, but. It's so worth it you will cry. Yeah. Yeah, that's a really great one if. You're looking for the humorous route, like Pride Prejudice. I know you're not a fan, but I really like Fido from Yeah. I should revisit FIGHTO. But I don't like it when I first saw it, but a lot of people love fight Oh yeah, uh, those are probably better zombie recommendations. Yeah, if you want, you know, silly fun, if you you know, it's worth revisiting. Return a Living Dead two absolutely always worth a revisit.

1:47:04 The first three Return Living Dead one. I meant two because of how silly is yea, yeah, I mean one is a little funny, two is goofy, and then three so but they're all great. But yeah, I would say, I mean, if you watch it, let us know what you think. Maybe we're wrong, maybe we need to give it another chance. But that was one of the few times we both walked out of theater and just went. We were kind of amped too. I mean, we were stuck about it, not gonna lie so but that is it for our emails. If you guys want to email us, yes, it's very easy. Just send an email to do you even movie pod at gmail dot com or go to dooevenmovie dot com and send an email through there. You can also comment if you're watching this on YouTube, but if you're watching on YouTube, also make sure you hit the like button and subscribe.

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1:48:36 So we're gonna go with a dark Christmas film from two thousand and five, one that I got to show you even though technically you were the one that bought it, but I'd seen it before. Yeah, the Ice Harvest from two thousand and five. This movie's so good, so good, starring John Cusack, Billy Bob Thornton. You also have Randy. Randy Quaid is at optimal levels. Yeah, quad and oh god, I always forgot Oliver plat Platt. Yeah, all the Platin. This is so good. Currently available on Prime and Voodoo to rent. It is not streaming anywhere unfortunately for free. This one is absolutely worth renting Ice Harvest. I mean, if you want a just pulse pounding Christmas thriller, MEO noir kind of thing, yeah, I mean you're not gonna get that very often. No, this one is absolutely worth it.

1:49:30 Yeah, this is This is a good one, and if you have not seen it, I would absolutely recommend checking it out before we talk about it because the spoilers in it are pretty strong. Well, I mean that movie, trust me. Yeah. So with all of that said, I guess it's time to wrap up. And I would say so wrap up because Christmas is full of hip hop music. Yeah so uh. So. Appreciate you guys checking us out and make sure you're subscribed. We'll see you guys next Tuesday. You do smell like captains? Oh well th