The Menu (2022) Anya Taylor-Joy, Nicholas Hoult, and Ralph Fiennes

0:01 Tonight they'll be madness. Welcome to Hawthorne. That's a fan. You shouldn't be here as real as the help start on somebody's fashion. I love you all. We're gonna die to Come on, you can't miss this. Who's Hungry? The menu in Theater November eighteen, greddar In a world where podcasts reign supreme, Two friends dare to ask Do You Even? Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie officionado David Denyer. Spoiler alert. All right, welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? I'm, of course your host Enrique Kuto here with my good buddy and co host doubled David. Yeah, it must have been a bet Denoyer greetings, of course, referring to your shorn head, my shorn head. Yes, it was a combination of I hadn't gotten a haircut and you lost a match against another wrestler against the wrestler with long hair, had not gotten a haircut since my breakup. Normally

1:34 Ali was the one who cut my hair for one Wow, baby needs his bottle. No, it wasn't so much of that as much as I woke up this past Sunday and I was just like, ah, let's just go ahead and take it all off and get ready for summer. Please. No, David, Well, you're subjecting the folks who watch us on the Patreon and YouTube to the sheen, the shine, the sad reality have everything. That's yeah, that's happening here today. But we are talking again this week about another film that's relatively recent in this decade. Yes, and take a break from the nineties because we just well we I mean obviously, due to our age and stuff, we lean into the nineties for nostalgia hit and we did kind of notice when we look back, we were like, oh, we did like six nineties movies in a row. So we decided to try and spread our wings and fly, much like one of the tableaus in our film, Tonight twenty twenty two's the Menu, And I'm looking forward to talking about this because this film, I feel like, before it even came out, it was a very divisive film. I would agree with that. I feel like because we were just getting back to the theaters around this time, because twenty twenty two is when it came out. I think the theaters opened back up like twenty twenty one. No, they open high opened up at the end of October of twenty were totally right. But yeah, I think

3:06 this was one that I remember a lot of people were kind of going back to the theater for because there was a lot of buzz about it. I mean, it's also it is it is labeled as a horror film. Whether it is one hundred percent is debatable. I mean, it's definitely in thriller territory. The reason I don't know about calling it a horror film is because it's not really It's got these little horrific moments. So I feel like, but then again, if you had to market it, horror movie would probably be the way to horror thriller. Yeah, exactly. And I feel like the one thing that we have to say before we even start this movie is like a like a nice, you know, spread out dinner course. This film has layers to it, and this could also kind of double as an episode of cutting deep into horror because and that's a fair point, because Dave, you did call me, yes when you wanted to watch this film you call for the show. You'd called me at like three in the morning and you were crying and you were saying, like I just wanted to elevated horror.

4:01 And I was like, Dave, if you really want to talk about elevated horror, we'll talk about elevated horror. It's not I'll say that. I mean, thank goodness, because you're on the warpath against not on the warpath? Are we gonna talk about this now? This morning? Before we recorded the show this morning, some news broke, which may or may not be true. You didn't see it. What the new update? It's not canceled, they're retooling it. That new update is just as as a vague. Yeah, it's nobody got a twenty four to comment. Nobody got anybody to comment properly. So there's a rumor going around, a big rumor that A twenty four and Peacock where they were supposed to make a Camp Crystal Lake series, Jason Vorhey series, and they now it appears, have pulled the plug on it. That's according to some insiders who were unnamed, and then other unnamed insiders said no, no, they're retooling. But it wouldn't shock me if it cut, because all streaming services are cutting. They're cutting a lot out of their budgets. Yeah, to try and I don't know make a profit, make a profit. And I mean I just saw a list of CEOs of film studios was released and of the ones that took pay cuts were Netflix and one other one that I was very surprised by it took took massive pay cuts. Oh wow. So but my point is, Dave was just like good. I didn't say, good, Okay, do you want me to pull up the act show? I don't. I can tell you what I go ahead. Literally, our good friend Rob, who is a

5:33 fan of the show, posted the article and I said, I think I said, Matt. Basically, it was like, man, like not not a loss to me. And what I meant by that was I just don't know if A twenty four is a company that I want messing with Friday thirteenth. I'm just gonna say that, why is that, Dave? Because it's a it's a straight up campy slasher film. Not campy because it takes place at a camp obviously, but just no, that's why it's camping. Yes, But at the same time, like I just it feels like it just does not need to be messed with. I don't know, you mean like as in, there should be no show at all. That's tough for me. I mean, this is mister, I'm excited for dairy on Max.

6:15 Welcome to Darry, Yes, welcome to Darry. I mean I'm excited for that With A twenty four do it a Friday thirteen series? My biggest issue is just I don't know what story they can tell at this point that may or may not pull me back into it. Also, the first Friday teenth Friday the thirteenth series we got was fine at best. Well it literally had zero to zero. It's not like when people talk about Freddy's nightmares and it had just a little to do with Freddy. Yeah, I mean the Friday thirteenth the series had nothing. I mean did they even have a hockey mask in their store? You know? See, That's what I'm saying, Like I had nothing to do with it. I I'm not saying it whether it's good or bad, but I am saying that A twenty four is known for doing interesting things absolutely, And I mean there's a lot of eight twenty four films that I like, and there's something I don't. That's why you cry, My god, It's it's more so just I don't know if Friday throughteenth the series is something we need At this point, I'll just say that what do we need, Dave? What does the world need now, David?

7:12 A Slaughter High remake, another Crow series. When you say Slaughter High remake, you mean a big budget Slaughters like Platinum, dude. Oh yeah, oh yeah? And then what was the other thing? Another Crow series, another Crow series, another TV Honestly, that would be smarter than a movie. I'm kind of surprised, to be honest, I'm not. I mean, I'm not, but yeah, I mean, it's it's difficult because I'm I'm really hoping that movie is good. It's all I'm gonna say. Well, time will tell and it can't rain all the time, but Edward for long? But no, no, that's that's But it was just funny because you got so uh, you got caught up and being kind of not Yeah, no I was. I wasn't. I wouldn't say I was grumpy about it, but I would say that maybe I was grumpy about it, but smidgeon, a smidgeon. I guess my biggest point with it is so the first omen we saw and I and I and I really dug the first Omeen and that the first film the Oen, but the movie called the First Omen prequel. Yeah, and I'm trying to think what the Exorcist Believer I It was fine, it was fine. I liked some of the things they did, but I really got the First Omen was really good. I like, I love First Omen. No, that's what I'm saying. I liked.

8:24 For someone Exorcist believer, it was OK. It was fine. And that's why I'm just kind of like with some of these prequel requel sequels, I'm I'm mid on right now. Well, everything that's old is new again, including being almost entirely a market full of remakes, which is basically that was the landscape when I was a teenager. Yeah, so, well, you wouldn't know you were you were you were. It was the tail end of that remake craze. I mean, do you like I remember so so by two thousand and one, two thousand and two, the average horror fan would say, I am just so sick of these remakes. Yeah, all the time. It was a very common sentiment, to the point where when of all things, like when Adam Green's Hatchet finally got made, yeah, they were literally celebrating that it was and it was not that it was a non remake in theaters, and Green used to always say that when he was trying to pitch things that like every students be like, well, we really would rather have a remake or whatever, and I'm like, okay, yeah, now you know. Meanwhile, now Hatchet is now into four films for films and damn near being remade. Yes, but that's that's life. But my point is that was that was the mentality then and it seems to be the mentality returning now. It absolutely is, because I mean, when we went to the theater or or was this one I had to see Themummy? I can't remember basically when I went to the theater recently, and I think it was when I went to the retro screening of The Mummy recently, the nineteen eighty nine it was like they had oh god, I'm trying to remember what the trailers were, but it was all remakes and sequels and then there was

9:56 like one original movie mixed in. So like even with the trailer we're seeing in theaters now, it's a lot of uh, you know, the next installments coming of this, or this requels coming or this legacy sequels coming. But at the same time, I mean when I just did an episode of one of my other shows. I did Monthly Spooky a week or so ago. It dawned on me I had seen I believe it was six horror films in the theater in a month, and of those I think two were remakes. Okay, because I saw, of course the first omen Yeah, Immaculate, which is not a remake or anything. I saw a Sting Yep, I saw Late Night with the Devil, I saw Arcadian, and then I saw The Abigail, So actually only one of those was a remake. Yeah.

10:46 So I mean, I'm just saying like, at least in the horror space, it doesn't seem like it's as a wash with remakes as it was in the two thousand it was no And I'll say and the one thing that I will say in SPA in spite of all this is I don't have a problem with new content coming out because it doesn't diminish anything of the original as long as you're a true horror fan, which is up to It's like I remember, I remember, Hen has known me for a long time, so he knows he has instances where Salty Dave as he calls it, has made an appearance yes, and Pure Salty Dave. I remember Pure Salty Dave was out in full force when Suspiria got remade. Oh yeah yeah. And then you were like, actually, it's not so bad. And I sat down and watched it, and it when I was done watching it, my my Blu ray wasn't broken in half. I didn't put it in and the picture was all pixelated. So you were disappointed destroy the original? No, that was my point was it didn't destroy the original. So I mean with a Friday thirteenth series, Fredy my god, Friday thirteenth series coming from Peacock and A twenty four, I would absolutely watch it. It's just finding out the news of it getting canceled, possibly getting canceled, which it probably didn't.

11:56 It was more so it was just like, eh, okay, like it. It's not it's something I'm chopping at the bit for. But I'll watch it. I'll still watch it. Oh you know, you'd watch it like the little consumer who you are, and you you know it. You know you didn't say I love if it was like only six or eight episodes, bro, you'd be like, bro, Saturday, you want to just do it? Oh yeah, fuck, get a chicken. That's literally the kind of text that Dave and I exchanged, by the way, and maybe maybe that's honestly what I kind of miss too, is that I feel like with such an oversaturated market because like you know, great example is like I'm watching Fargo now and you've been telling me to watch to catch up on Fargo for a couple of years now, Yeah, easily, And it's with the saturated market, it feels like there's there's never a there's never a shortage of anything to watch. So with that in mind of a series, it's like, yeah, I'll definitely get to it, but it's a matter of when and how quick and how quickly I'll go through it. For that matter, did you hear marvel Is saying they're going to commit to two to three films and two series a year. Damn, that's such a massive scale back. It's a cutdown, Yeah, an incredible scale back. Yeah, because what they were averaging like what four a year? I think it was six six, but they had like nine series come out like over the course of one year, with something ridiculous like that. That's not an exact number, but it's close. Yeah, So I get what you're saying, I mean in the oversaturated market is a challenge. I just started watching well, I just finished watching the the the mini series sequel of Justified City Primeval, which was perfectly fine ended in a way that kind of pissed me off. Damn it.

13:28 But I mean because I now I'm like, well, it kind of makes you think there's gonna be more, but there shouldn't be. They said there wouldn't. Yeah, but I and now I'm watching Fallout. But I do have trouble keeping up with all the shows. Yeah, I do too, And I mean that's that's why it's taken me several years the back on Fargo, because when Fargo premiered, I loved that first season, and I watched the second season like about a year or so after that. I want to say, that's usually how that worked. No, No, let me shut up. You know what I mean. But yeah, I just fell off of it. And it's because I'm just I'm bad at TV. So it's like with with Ah announcing that it's possibly getting canceled. It's like it sucks, but at the same time, like it's no lost meetings. I call bullshit. What you're bad at TV? Yet, Lifetime is television that doesn't count. Oh so now you're gonna piss where you eat. That doesn't count.

14:15 You're gonna piss where you eat. But Lifetime, I love those Lifetime. Yeah, I'll tear through them like I will watch six and one sitting sometimes, but god, the sitting is on the toilet. Damn it. You got me there, Okay, I know I got you. Hey, I mean, I'm bad at My job is to keep you on it. I'm bad at other TV. I guess you're you know, I mean, I don't know. I think a part of it is that you're just bad. Bad at six, bad at six. That's the first Holliston reference we've had here on the show for episodes. Yeah, I mean it's only a like fourteen year old show. Uh but no, no, no, I I get it. There is so much content to consume. It's it's challenging sometimes. Yeah, sometimes it feels like you have to consume it. And that's like one of the things that I've kind of had hit me with this over abundance of sequels remakes stuff like that, where it's like, you know, one week it's Indiana Jones, the next week it's another marvel thing.

15:11 The next week, it's another Disney thing, and then it's this and that that. It used to be. I did feel not to sound like Jerry Seinfeld, but it used to be I did feel like if I didn't go see them, I was missing out on a cultural element. And I get that. I don't feel that at all. I don't either. Now. I'm like, I I just want to see as many movies in the theater as I can. That look fun. Well, it's like, you know, going back to the whole thing of you know, the original days of the first streaming, like Warns of the New Black. I was talking to somebody about this the other day. I was one of those people that when season two dropped, I was watching it at three thirty in the morning when we got it originally released over here, because you've got time. I don't have any show like that anymore that'll pull me that quick. It feels like, really, I really don't except for I mean, god damn it, what below Deck is currently the only thing that I'm watching as a premiere.

15:58 Dave likes garbage reality shows more than work made by hard working people. That's it. Dave's like, look, I want my horror elevated and my television below deck. You know, that's the only thing that I'm watching is it premieres right now that I can think of at least. But that's not to say that like I'm trying to catch back up on stuff, because I did feel like I've missed out on Fargo especially and City Prime Evils Won and Mayans Mayans Them is what I want to start watching the Amazon Prime show and The Boys is coming. So I mean, well, you've watched The Boys up until now, haven't you. Oh yeah, I'm all caught up. Yeah, oh of course you watched. I've watched the entire series that's available right now twice. So anyway, all of this to say Dave is a bad person and we should all shun him. I will absolutely watch the pre through the series if it happens. If it doesn't happen, I'm not gonna cry about it. You just hope it doesn't happen. It's not that I'm moving on. Is that what we're doing? Do you even? Movie? Will be right back? Welcome back to Do you even movie? It's not the menu? What is that? It's a movie? Okay? Well, Dave give us the poignant deeps. All right, So we're talking about the menu in twenty twenty two and it was one hour and forty seven minutes. RTED R for strong, disturbing, violent content, language throughout and some sexual references.

17:29 I'm such a child whenever I see language throughout. Yeah, I always go oh. I hate movies that have language. Why do they have to talk? Those talkie pictures? Silent film for me? So the director of this film is Mark Milad. Is it my let or Meelid? Is it my lad? Okay? Mark Mylad? He gets his start in nineteen ninety five directing a show called The Stand Up Show, then does Cold Feet in nineteen eighty eight, The Royal Family in ninety eight, Randall and Hope and Hopkirk, The Fast Show in two thousand, Ali g into House of the Movie in two thousand and two Are You Serious? Series? Does that makes sense considering the producers come from the comedy world as well. Shameless the UK series in two thousand and four, The Big White with Rob Williams in two thousand and five, United States of Tara two thousand and nine, Entourage two thousand and six, What's Your Number twenty eleven, Once upon a Time in twenty eleven, Shameless, the American series twenty eleven. I didn't know that that Shameless shared directors The Affair in twenty fourteen, Minority Reports series in twenty fifteen, Game of Thrones twenty fifteen, Succession twenty eighteen. Then he does The Menu in twenty twenty two, and most recently he has done Last of Us, The Last, The Last of Us, excuse me, the video game series, the video game series on Max. Yeah. Our writers on this are Seth rees who did writer. He was a writer on Cheap Seats without Ron Parker in two thousand and five, College Humor Originals in two thousand and nine, Onion Sports Dome twenty eleven, The Onion News Network twenty eleven, Comedy Bang Bang twenty thirteen, the sixty sixth Primetime Emmy Awards in twenty fourteen. Late Night was Seth Meyers twenty fourteen. And I was also a writer on the Menu of Course in twenty twenty two, and The Regime in twenty twenty four I've not seen is the Regime out? Yeah? No,

19:00 I think it's I think it's streaming right now. Yeah, I've not heard of it. I want to say Netflix are prime I can't remember which. It's interesting because the producers on two of them are Will Ferrell and Adam McKay is correct famous for the Gary Sanchez Production Company and making comedy Yeah, and also founding Funnier Die Yeah Funny, which is which makes sense that we're seeing a lot of people working in that realm of comedy. And our other writer is Will Tracy. He was a writer on the Onion News Network in twenty eleven, Onion's Extremely Accurate History of the Internet twenty twelve, Last Week Tonight with John Oliver twenty fourteen, Succession twenty nineteen, The Menu twenty twenty two, and also The Regime in twenty twenty four went from writing just straight up comedy to like, really intense stuff because Succession, I've heard is very good.

19:45 That talk about the show, talking about a show I hear people talk about I've never seen, Oh you would love Succession. Oh so Dave's had time to watch Succession? Everybody, So why aren't you watching the Mayans? Is it because they're Mexican as not? Why it's because I'm bad at TV shows. When they're not Succession, they're not successional or belowdeck. Apparently moving on and wrapping us up for the crew is our cinematographer Peter Deming. He gets his start as a second assistant camera on Roger Corman Suburbia in nineteen eighty three, The Party Animal nineteen eighty four. He does third unit on Bad Manners in eighty four, and then in nineteen eighty seven he becomes the director of photography on a film called Evil Dead two. Really. Then from Evil Dead two he goes to Hollywood Shuffle in nineteen eighty seven. He becomes the DP on a film called Scarecrows in nineteen eighty eight. Aircrows, Love that film, Love that goddamn movie. Don't you love just you know, flying an airplane and crack in a window. Yeah, just get a little breeze and do good stuff. The Carrier in nineteen eighty eight, Purple People Leader nineteen eighty eight. Then he does House Party in nineteen ninety as the director of photography, Drop Dead Fred nineteen ninety one, Oh Wow, my cousin Vinnie nineteen ninety one, Oh shit, Okay, th should be ninety two, National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon in ninety three, Key West Series in ninety three, as well Son in Law ninety three, sf W in ninety four, Okay Joe's Apartment nineteen ninety six, The Lost Highway in ninety seven, Austin Powers International, Man of Mystery in ninety seven, Scream two in ninety seven, Music of the Heart ninety nine, Scream three in two thousand, Maholland Drive two thousand and one, From Hell two thousand and one, Austin Powers

21:18 Gold Member twenty two thousand and two, Twisted with Angelina Joelee in two thousand and four. I Heart Huckeby's in two thousand and four, which means that he was the man running camera when David O. Russell went off on Lily Tomplin in that famous Clake clip. I thought there was two of them that weren't fake. If that's not fake, I don't believe it. I'm pretty sure it's not. I'm pretty sure it was meant to get to get attention, Okay, I mean, I could be right. I don't buy it. The Jacket two thousand and five, Love Grew two thousand and eight, Drag Me to Hell two thousand and nine, Scream four, twenty eleven, Cabin in the Woods twenty eleven, Oz the Great and Powerful twenty thirteen, Now You See Me Too twenty sixteen, Twin Peaks twenty seventeen, The New Mutants twenty twenty, Capone twenty twenty with Tom Hardy, where al Capone literally shits the bed. Well, I mean he did it figuratively, why not literally? The Menu twenty twenty two, Shotgun Wedding twenty toy two and most recently The Continental on Maxton twenty three. Well, I want to mention that he shot Wes Craven's only non horror filling of the Heart of the Heart.

22:15 Yep, I wanted to double confirm that before I brought some music of the Heart I have not. I've heard it's very very It's fantastic. So our synopsis rhyme dB says a young couple travels through a remote island to eat an exclusive restaurant where the chef has prepared a lavish menu with some shocking surprises. I mean, that's as good as anything my synopsis. Oh no, hold on. A highly regarded gourmet chef hosts a private dinner for a group of wealthy individuals from different backgrounds, Unaware this will be an evening of dark secrets and surprises for all attending, Yeah, yours is less good? Why you gotta hate on me? Let's ask chat GPT to make one for this, oh God, and wrapping us up as our cast. We have on atto it Taylor Joy, any tailor Joy, thank you? Who plays Margo.

23:00 She gets her start in twenty fourteen with The Vampire Academy, Then twenty fifteen does the Witch Viking Quest in twenty fifteen Atlanta is twenty fifteen. Well, there was actually something called Viking Quest that Flir series, because that was the fake name. Wasn't it the fake name of the show on Enturage? I think it was? Yeah, yeah, he Victory Viking Quest Morgan twenty sixteen, Split twenty sixteen, Of Course, Thoroughbreds twenty seventeen, Marrowbone twenty seventeen, The Miniaturist In twenty seventeen, Glass twenty nineteen, Peggy Blinders twenty nineteen, Emma twenty twenty, New Mutant's twenty twenty, Queen's Gambit twenty twenty one, Last Night in Soho future episode maybe twenty twenty one. Maybe I do like that film. The Northman not a Future episode twenty nine two, The Menu twenty twenty two, Amsterdam twenty twenty two, Member Amsterdam. No, No, No one does. I will say, as you're reading these out loud, I'm starting to think Anya Taylor Joy is like legitimately overexposed. Yeah, Super Mario Brothers twenty movie twenty twenty three and Dune Part two and twenty twenty four. What the hell did she do with the Super Mario Brothers.

24:02 She's the voice of Peach. Are you serious? Yeah? Jesus yeah. And of course she has Furiosa coming out this year. Well, of course I have seen the ads again and again and again. We also have Nicholas Holt, who plays Tyler in the film. He gets his start in ninety six with intimate reactions. Mister White goes to wes Meyer in ninety seven, The Bill two thousand, Waking the Dead two thousand and one, About a Boy two thousand and two, does the weather Man in two thousand and five. I do love that film. That's a great movie. Cadulthood in two thousand and seven, Skins the UK series in two thousand and seven, A single man Clash of the Titans, X Men, First Class, Warm Bodies, Jack, The Giants, Layer, The Young Ones, X Men, Days of Future Pass Dark Places. I forgot he was in that. He plays the Sun. Oh yeah, he is in that one. Mad Max Fury Road twenty fifteen, Kill Your Friends twenty fifteen, X Men Apocalypse twenty sixteen, The Current War of the Tesla movie that like never came out in theaters. Everything we saw, every trailer, they advertised it like crazy, and then it just never happened. Deadpool two twenty eighteen, The Favorite twenty eighteen, Tolkien twenty nineteen, Dark Phoenix twenty nineteen, The Great eight In twenty twenty, Those Who Wish Me Dead twenty twenty one, The Menu twenty twenty two, Renfield twenty twenty three, and he's gonna be the voice of John in the new Garfield movie this year. Oh nice. Uh. And wrapping us up is Ray Fines, who plays chef Julian Slowick. He has ninety four credits on his resume, which I'm sure you're not surprised by.

25:17 No, No, he's an old bastard. Old bastard indeed gets a start in ninety one. I thought he got started a lot later, yeah or earlier, Yeah, yeah, earlier ninety one with prime Suspect Weathering Heights ninety two, Shimmler's List ninety three, Quiz Show ninety four, Strange Days ninety six Have you seen Strange Days? By the way, that doesn't ring a bell? One of the most underrated sci fi movies, that is it's I think it's difficult to find out is I used to have a DVD of it. But he is trying to figure out who attacked his wife, and there's a whole cast of characters in it, and it's a really really good drama. The English Patient ninety six, The Avengers ninety eight, Prince of Egypt ninety eight, End of the Affair, Red Dragon Made in Manhattan, The Chum Scrubber, The Constant Gardner, The White Countess, Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire, Land of the Blind Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix in Bruges, The Duchess hurt Locker, The Reader. Nanny McPhee returns.

26:07 Clash of the Titans twenty ten, Deathly Hollis Part one, twenty ten, Coreanis in twenty eleven, Deathly Hallo's Part two twenty eleven. Rather the Titans, Great Expectations, Skyfall, Grand Budapest Hotel to Women, Spector Hail Caesar, Lego Batman Movie, Holmes and Watson Lego Batman or Lego Movie two, Doolittle, No Time to Die, The Kingsman, The Menu, The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar, and three more in twenty twenty four. Jeez, yeah, the man is working and at the time of this recording, the Menu is not currently streaming anywhere, but you can rent it and buy it very easily on digital library. Hmm, unlike David who doesn't own it in physical Well, I still watch it. Sad locked this thing four hive very sad first time watching? What'd you think? What are you talking about now? Now? Well, the first time we saw this was in twenty twenty two in the theater. Correct, Yeah, we claim. I was on my second viewing. That's what I recall. I don't remember seeing it twice, but it's possible I recall that you had already seen it. But I could be misremembering because I remember I swear that I had an imitation to go with you guys, but something had kept me from going, and so we went over the weekend. Is how I remember it. I mean, that could very well have happened. I only remember going to see it once with you off the top of my head. I remembered enjoying it very much.

27:22 I did like how layered the story was. I did like what the film has to say about the desire for perfection, what service means, which I think is a big part of the film, is what it means to serve. It doesn't, you know, necessarily mean being a slave. But if you don't care about service, then you're not doing the job. I kind of like that mentality, that concept in the film. So I remember walking out of it and thinking like, that's pretty damn good, yeah, and praying that Anya Taylor Joy's eyes don't get any bigger for my own safety.

28:03 I remember walking out of a theater and being like that was it met all my expectations, but also it kind of went above them, because I do remember halfway through the film you were like, oh, this is one of those and he put a beret in a scar farm and a very small tea cups fal tea cup, like an incredibly tiny tea cup, which you were which you go, and then when I go, Dave stopped, You'd be like the an it makes it taste You're making me think of that freaking meme I know again, Yeah, no, I I was really excited for this movie. I remember when the trailer first dropped. I don't think I saw it in theaters for the first time. I think I saw it online. It just it was one of those movies that's like, this looks really interesting and I hope it's good. You were like, hey, a movie about overpriced food made by people who hate you. Finally a film about white experience. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. How'd you know? But No, I just remember I was excited for this movie. I could not wait for it to because I mean, by this point, I can't remember if we had really gone back to the theater much. In we were going a lot, going a long one. Okay, it's kind of a little week, but it's it was a weird time because it was a lot of older movie movies and small movies that don't usually go into theaters going into theaters.

29:19 That's what we saw a lot of stuff because the first time I was back in the theater for a new release movie was New Mutants. Okay, because you got to remember in Ohio they opened the theaters. I want to say it was either in October or November of twenty twenty was when the movie theaters reopened and and I went and saw the the What was that movie about? Like the War with Grandpa? Oh? Robert neiramyeh, yeah, yeah, I think it was called War with Grandpa Granda. I saw that. I saw a lot of stuff. We saw that movie the stairs, remember that. Yeah, I didn't want to, but you made me. But no. The menu was one that I a media knew that I that I loved it, and I was excited to go see it again. So you're ready to get into this, puppy. What is it now? The menu?

30:06 We already have gotten into it. We started, Oh now we're starting. We started already breakdown. Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? So we are invited to the menu. That's the opening credit. That's literally the only credit we get, and that's we meet up with Margo and Tyler, and Tyler is scolding Margo for smoking, saying that it's gonna it's basically gonna deplete her taste, budg, She's not gonna be able to taste the food. And we can tell that Tyler is really really excited about what they're getting ready to do, high strung and excited. They're waiting on a boat, waiting on a boat to take them to a restaurant that is twelve fifty ahead, and there's only I think twelve people in attendance. I think twelve seats in attendance fifty cents ahead. That's one thousand, two hundred fifty dollars ahead. Oh yes to price. No, sorry, I was thinking Chipotle twenty nineteen, but you're talking about Chipotle twenty twenty four. Oh yeah, yeah. And that's when we meet the rest of the people. There's like three tech bros that are going. There's a washed up star play by John Leguizamo who's bringing his assistant along. There's two regulars that have been to this restaurant like over ten times an older. There's a food critic who takes claim for basically giving Julian the spotlight. It's a critic and her publisher publisher yep. And they all take the boat over to Hawthorne, enjoying a nice refresher of oysters on the boat. Yes, and that's the beginning of it, because what's Anya Tailler

31:40 Joy's characters name Margo. Margo points out that it's delicious, but she just likes oyster. Yeah she would, just like she did really care about the stuff on top of yeah, which was some reconstituted fluffy, foamy bullshit. Yeah, yes, raw local oyster in a mignette emulsion with lemon caviar and an oyster leaf, oyster leaf, oyster leaf. I have the whole menu pulled up, of course you do. But when she says that her date is very perturbed, like, oh no, no, no, it's it's a whole thing. It all comes together, and then of course it's big. He's like you, you'll understand it all when you've eaten all of it because it tells a story and figure out what the story of the man. And that's the beginning of what he of him talking about how it all comes together. You have to take each experience and then try to piece it together.

32:24 And that's why he's obsessed with the work of this this guy is because to him, he's a master storyteller as well as a master baiter. Yes, a master baiter. Indeed. So we arrive on Hawthorne and we are we are welcomed with a shot of this island that I basically told you, it just feels like all the life has been sucked out of it. Well, I mean it looks desolate. Yeah, sure, yeah. So the guest check in and that's when we meet Elsa. She is a chef Slovak's right hand person and frost demon or whatever she is. Yes, it goes okay, I'll let it go. So the guest check in, we meet Elsa, and that's when we find out that Tyler originally had another date, but he has replaced her with Margo and they were not notified ahead of time.

33:08 Well you know, awkward, Yeah, awkward indeed. So she takes them on a tour of the twelve acre island of forests and pasture. She points out a boat that's pissing, pissing, Wow, well done, picking fresh scallops out of the water. And she takes them further on the tour, shows them their proteins, shows them the quarters where they all sleep, and that's when we kind of get a first taste of how this is an odd experience because they go into the chef's quarters and it's just, I mean, it looks like a prison. Well yeah, I mean it literally has a prison, toilet prison, toilet, prison, shower. Well, well, because prison toilet sinks are a thing. They're at high efficiency. So it's a sink and a toilet and there are two of them three feet apart, which means that they're double occupied. It gets pretty intimate pretty quickly, it does, indeed. But no, I mean that's where the staff is, the shot, not the chef. Yeah, but that's where the staff lives. And they live on the island. They mentioned that they are up at six a m. And that final dinner service ends at two. Yeah, and dinner is four hours long, and they do six hours of prep when they start their day. So she says it would be silly not to live there, Yes, because of how much time they dedicate. Well, and she goes on this whole thing about how you know they do this, they do this, they do this, they gel, they gel, And that's when we the group goes to enter Hawthorne, and Hawthorne is a restaurant that is set right on the water. It's a I mean a modernized slanted roof. Well it's not modern, you mean postmodern, postmod Yeah. All the architecture is extremely post Malone post Malone architecture. So Tyler is losing his

34:38 shit over the restaurant and he sees the chef's cooking the side chefs and goes up to them. He's like, okay, you know, we gotta go see this. So he goes over and he's he's like, you know, are you using such and such on that? And he's like, yeah, mister so and such. He's like, oh, you know my name and he's like, we know everybody. He's like, we like to know everyone, you know, go ahead and take your seat. Dinner will begin shortly. And Margo gives him crap because she's like, you know, it seems like he knew you're a but you didn't ask him his And he's like, oh yeah, he's didn't ask him his name. Yeah, tells him to take a seat, and that's when Chef slow It comes out and he steals the room. Everybody's looking at him, especially Tyler, and he he said, take a seat. I helped Chris Hansen. U have a seat. Go ahead, take a seat. So good news, bad news about this island. Oh God got him. That's a screen graph of the episode right there. My freaking eyes on that. So that's when they introduced their first dish, which is a mush bush, which is the appetizer. It's compressed and pickled cucumber, melon, milk, snow, charred lace. Those as are all words. And we see the food critic, Lilian making comments on the tasting that she said that that they you know, they didn't say what kind of milk it is, and she thinks she tastes goat. The assistant is trying to wish like Wasamo best of luck. The tech bros Are talking about life and being dicks, and Marco asked Tyler about the food and he states that chef plays with raw materials of life, adding that his obsession was slowly, you know, going on about how he so impressed to his background, his pedigree and all the stuff. And Margo's not impressed. No, she's like being kind of Braddy at this at this juncture. She's just kind of like, you really like this stuff, and it's like, Homie,

36:12 of course he does. Why else would you, well there, well, there is one other reason to be there for status, yes, And frankly I think it's less sad to be there because you like overpriced food then so that people will see you in an Instagram. Yeah, yeah, so you can put it on the gram. So then we get to our first course, and that's when we see slowly tasting something and he just has no real passion. And basically the restaurants run like an assembly line in this sense, like everybody is doing one thing at a time, preparing the dishes for everything. I have to disagree. Okay, no, it's not an assembly assembly. It's it's a it is a hyper efficient kitchen. Sorry, I would say that they're they're so obsessed with efficiency and perfection. That's kind of the whole thing. Well, everyone's on the same speed. Everybody's doing the basic, the same thing, prepping at the same time with these dishes, and they're all plating in exactly the same Yeah, yeah they are. But an assembly line suggests a degree of disconnection. That's fair. Now, everyone in there is an expert. Yeah, that is absolutely fair. So the rest of the chef's plate and they are plating the island, which is raw diver scallop, pickled local seaweeds and algae placed on rocks from the shore. Ms so Slowik welcomes everybody telling them, you know, the one thing I want for you to do tonight is not to eat. I want you to taste, savor, relish, consider every morsel, and accept all of it, and forgive, which I love that message because on further viewings it's a bit cryptic. I love that too, because then I just immediately realized that I'm just Mason from surviving the game, Like, yo, you your way,

37:44 I'll do it mine, just horking down food as fast as you can. So the guests are served and Margo tries to strike conversation up, but Tyler is worried that he offended chef Slowick because at one point he asked him I can't remember he was slogan was introducing the dish, and he like interrupts him. He's like, oh excuse me, and he's like, oh, no, shit, go ahead. Yeah, he wanted to ask something about what he tasted. It was. So the food critic is doing her bullshit and nippicking it, and leg was Amo is then questioned about what he's going to do for this food travel show that he's going to go on. Yeah, he's clearly playing a washed up actor. We'll get to who he's playing it. Yeah. Yeah, because leg was Amo said he kind of based it on someone he had encountered. Yeah, but he's playing like a washed up actor who's trying to start a new part of his career by having a streaming show about traveling and eating fancy food. Because his assistant ask him, you know, how is it. He's like, oh, it's good. She's like, well, if you're going to do the show, it can't be good. It has to be amazing, it has to be great. So then he pitches this bullshit thing about how they were going to go to the hills of El Salvador to Italy and he'll be on a blue vest bat and they'll go to where the guy makes the cheese and he'll go, oh my god, I'll chew on the cheese. I'll close my eyes, I'll fake an orgasm, and then boom, we're in Rio. Oh. And then he talks about, you know, how racism's bad. Oh. He's like him, will be at Rio, I'll talk about how racism is bad and everything, and then I'll get an enemy. Yeah. She's not impressed.

39:00 So we get to the second course. Slowik claps his hands and that's what chef Slog does in this movie every time to bring attention. When they're starting the dishes. He just brings his hands together, the one incredibly loud yeah clap, and he's introducing the bread course of the film, but with one change because he talks about how bread is, you know, the common man's meal. It's been around for as long as anybody can remember, except this time they're gonna be served a breadplate that's breadless. Yeah, no bread for them, but they do get the akutrama savory savory accouterment. Yeah, so yeah, nothing to put it on. Yeah, but yeah, So they're served a breadless breadplate and the guests are served these dishes with just the accompaniments, and the food critic points out that like this is this is wild, Like this is this is crazy? Oh I think I have a split emulsion on the accompaniment, And she's like, well, they shouldn't be serving that.

39:44 Tyler, of course, is losing a shit over the experience, and Margo states how Slowik is basically insulting everyone by serving this. Like she's like, you know, no, I know, I know what insulting is like, and this is exactly what he's doing. No bread, you don't serve them not bread. Yeah. So Margo keeps going on with that, and then Elsa serves the critic another broken emulsion courtesy of chef Slowan, except it's twenty times the size the size of a cereal bowl instead of a little dot. It's also mentioned as a side note. The tech bros even mentioned because they're getting frustrated yet it's you're asking for bread, yeah, but the reason is they mentioned that apparently they're famous for their bread. They're famous for their bread, famous for their bread, and they don't serve it because they're not the common men. No, you're you all are anything but common. So they go and ask for bread, including some gluten free. Elsa refuses and the tech bros are like, well, don't you know who we are?

40:31 And she's like, yeah, I know exactly you are. And they're like, are you sure you know who we are and she's like yeah, and it's like, so you know we work for Doug Verick, who owns the restaurant. And she's like, no, you know, you will eat less than you desire and more than you deserve if she whispers that in one of his ears, yeah, you'll eat less than new desire, but more than you deserve. So Margo wants nothing to do with the plate. Tyler goes to take it and in doing so, knocks over a wineglass, breaking the wineglass and drawing attention, and slow it comes over, asking why Margo hasn't touched her food, and she's like, you know, I guess I'm just not really. She said there is no food. Oh yeah, there is no food. That was her first point. Yeah, there is no food. Yeah, And he's like yeah, He's like oh no, no, like there's absolutely food there. And she's like, well, you know, I'm saving it for the better courses. I don't want to fill up. He's like, oh no, no, no, I've painstakingly you know, playing seeing you out fill up. You won't fill out now. The portions are perfect, and he tells her the menu designed specifically so portions won't overfill you, and then walks over to the woman's table that we see just guzzling wine this entire time that he is not addressed. Yeah, there's a little old lady just silently pounding wine. Yeah. So then we get to the third course and we see the chef's preparing the next disc. More wine is poured and Margo looks over at one of the regulars who's Richard, and his wife asked, you know, do we know her she looks familiar. He's like, no, no, no, we don't know her. We don't know her. So then Slowik serves the next course, explaining a Taco Night as the next dish. Basically intell Taco Tuesday Docco When I was a boy, which I immediately I was like, I don't care where you grew up.

41:50 Man, he's like some kind of European European but he's some kind of European. But He's like, we had Taco Tuesday, and I don't think it's like nineteen sixty something in the middle of the country. Yeah, I mean maybe I grew up with I grew up with a Mexican stepdad, like, but tacos were already ubiquitous to the world because of Taco Bell. But I always found that funny. I was like, we're we're like middle we're like lower class, middle class white Americans making tacos in like the sixties. Hoto Tuesday. They might have been. I could just be wrong. I mean, I was born in eighty six. What the hell do I know about anything? Not much. We never had a Taco Tuesday growing up. Oh we we didn't. We well, for the record, my family, we didn't have taco Tuesday either. Yeah, we had tac taco Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, but never Tuesday. No Tuesday was for of course, no God, But actually we didn't eat tacos as much as okay, you had nachos. More. It seems like, well that was that was a weekend thing. Oh okay, that was like, for lack of a better term, that was when we couldn't afford pizza.

42:53 Then it was nachos. We would have like if we had like friends coming over or whatever. I mean, I'm very little. We had friends coming over whatever, they would make up a bunch of nachos because it was much cheaper than ordering a bunch of pizzas. Right now you have you've had my Yeah, yeah, my nachos are amazing. And actually that's another reason I connect with this movie is I love to cook, and I really love to make the people eating my food happy. I don't I don't obsess over what I think is perfect. I mean, you do hold a gun on me half the time. You make noodles while I'm eating them, but that's just for fun. I have nothing to do with the noodles. Are they good It's like be aware. The answer may result in things you're not expecting.

43:36 They're delicious, but well they'll never be better. So I have to end you now. But no, no, yeah, but so growing up eating food with a lot of Mexican and you know, uh inspiration. Yeah. I mean we just had tortilla on the table all the time. Every meal there beat tortilla, and you could make anything a taco. You would. We would sit down to breakfast and instead of toast, you just have a bunch of tortilla. And if you were really really hungry, you'd be like, oh, I'm putting my eggs and stuff in the tortilla and eating it instead of instead of just eating it regularly. It was just always an option to, you know, add tortilla you want to make you really really sad real quick. I mean I'm already very sad, but go on. So I remember when I was home for like the first couple of days of quarantine, when they had sent us home from work and we were working from home. I remember that I had bought like several TV dinners, one of which I like, the Stofers spaghetti and meatballs. It's it's not amazing, but I like it. It is a four out of ten on sad So, oh, dear God, I'm scared. I have do shivers. Now.

44:38 There was a segment in the show I Carly where at one time they made spaghetti tacos and I had tortillas, and I had lost the will to live being home alone during quarantine. So I remember I took my my heated spaghetti out of the oven or out of the microwave and took the plastic all the way off and just took a tortilla and just dumped it right in there. And I had a spaghetti taco and it was magical. I mean, first of all, it's called piata. Have you ever had a piata? Yes, it's like it's like Italian burrito pasta inside. Yes, that is one of the saddest things I've ever heard. Yeah, the moral come, I'm sure, but I mean I'm sure alcohol wasn't involved. Right, you were drunk, you don't act like you were. No, izz I was not buzz for that one. For the first one. I was not buzz for the first You made more than one spaghetti taco. I like the taste of it. I had like three of those TV dinners ready to go.

45:39 I think you should make a spaghetti baked potato, like drill a hole in the potato and fill it with that. I could probably make a very sad YouTube chef channel. I feel like you could have stopped half. I can make it very sad. I can make it very sad. Do You Even? Movie will be right back, welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? So, he tells a story about taco night when he was seven. His father came home drunk, which was not uncommon, and his mother and father fought, and he ended up his father and getting the phone cord and wrapping it around his mother's neck. Sloak, being the kid that he was, went and reached for the first thing he saw, which was kitten kitchen scissors, and stabbed his father in the thigh, provoking a memory, which is what he calls this dish memory which his house smoked brizil chicken thigh ala pastor with tortilla's maid with Heirloomasa green Salca cubes. And that's it. Yeah, simple thing, I suppose, simple thing. Except these tortillas they're well known for, but this time they're very special because they use this new photoprinter.

46:53 They have to put images on the laser engraver, Yes, puts images on them, and each chicken thigh is served with a scissor. The scissor in it stabbed into the thigh a beautiful touch. Yes. So that's when we are revealed to see what the pictures are. And at first we see that the regulars are served and it's pictures of Richard being out with different women. The Lillian and her assistant are served pictures of restaurants that close because of her reviews. We also see the tech bros are served pictures on their tortillas that show fraud and embezzlement through the restaurant. Yeah, it's just straight up photos of financial records, financial statement where they've been making invoices that aren't real.

47:34 Yeah, and Tyler has served pictures of him taking pictures of the food. Because that's one thing that Slowic says that I forgot to mention in the beginning of the night, is that they don't any photos, no photos, and he can't help himself, cannot help himself. So also confirms what they are as the tech bros caller over and she's like, that's a tortilla, and it goes into the bas that's my favorite. That's a tortilla. Yeah, she does the thing tartilla, and she's like, and this is actually one showing that you guys have committed fraud and embezzlement through the restaurant, making false, false invoices. So yeah, filing paying fake invoices. Yeah, and so the tech bros Are like, well, how the hell they get this? It's not good and he's like, well, they can't show us this because them showing us this would convict Doug Verrick, who's the restaurant owner. We'll get to him later. Yeah. So Tyler scolds Margo for wanting to send the food back because she's like, you know, well, they can't like take your picture without you know, telling you, so you know, you take your picture without your consents. So she's like, excuse me, and he, which is so stupid, he's in the restaurant ahead.

48:25 He fucking scolds her like a child. Oh yeah, and she's like, you know, did you just like snap at me? That's her date, her dates scolding her like a child, And that's when she gets up to go to the bathroom and Elsa stops her before entering one of the doors. At the end of the restaurant and she's like, you know, where's the bathroom and she shows her the right door. Margo asked, what's behind this door and she says something very special. Aw So in the bathroom, Margo sees a man outside carrying angel wings towards the water, which we'll get to in a second as well, and she lights up another cigarette as chef's slow It comes in asking why she hasn't eaten any of the food, and he she asks, you know, why do you care? And slow It says he takes it very cigaret seriously and this wounds him. He cornered her in the can. Yeah It comes in the bathroom and Margo states that she's not very hungry hungry slowic ass she was very hungry hunky Slok asked her who who she is and she says Margo Mills and born in Grand Island to bratt Or from Great Island, Nebraska. Sloak isn't convinced, asking who she really is, adding she shouldn't be here today, and Margo tells him to get the fuck out of her way. Well, I mean, you know, she was a lot kinder to someone following her into the can than that would be so. Then the fourth course is served and we see the chefs roll out of white tarp as they begin to decorate it with garnish, and slowg introduces the course, but the tech brothers interrupt him and SLOWK you know. They're like, you know what's going on, and they're like, you know, can I please finish my demonstration first, so that he introduces chef Jeremy Loudon, who created the next dish, called the Mess, and he explains how Jeremy wrote him a letter to come work at Hawthorne, adding that he's talented, he's good, but he's not great and he'll never be great. Jeremy confirms this as Slow continues that the pressure got to him and that there was

49:58 no way for him to avoid the Mess, no way for him to be perfect. He asked Jeremy if he wants his life, and Jeremy states no, Slokton kisses him on the cheek. He doesn't. This is a point that I think is super important. He asks him, do you want my life? And he's like, not my success, not my talent, my life, what I am and what I do? Yeah, and he's like no, no, And I love that that moment because there is a so as a as a not to brag, but as a person who's had kind of sort of their dream job for almost a decade, yeah, uh, kind of sort of, because I mean I could talk for hours about you know how unpleasant and challenging it has been just this week. But but you love what you do. You never work it down. Your life's just just just freaking stabbing in your thigh with the record I do because it's a total piece of fucking lie continue, it's a piece of life. So no, But that being said, there was a fear when I first started doing what I was passionate about for a living. I was like, oh my god, once I get successful enough, what if I don't like it? Yeah?

51:06 What if I get the things I've always wanted? And then I'm like, oh, this sucks. And I still have that fear of renow. And then because some days that I make for those who don't know, I make movies for a living. I produce and direct and distribute films. And it's a super hard, super competitive business. You have to be very creative, you have to be totally ready for famine versus feast. Feast is rare, real rare since COVID H. So you have to be ready for all of that. And there are totally days where I'm like, man, I was this the right cause? Uh, there's a joke I say to myself all the time, which is I should have bought the damn juicers. Have I told you that story? I don't want to tell the long story of it. Maybe some other show I will, but we've already been yeat John.

51:51 But at one point in my life I had a choice between either going back to Ohio and trying to keep doing film, or staying in Jersey and selling juicers on a boardwalk. I had. I had access to the boardwalk. The guy who was running that business was going to quit. He was going to sell me all his juicies. And all I had to do was sell my car and I could buy the juicies, damn. And then I'd be living on a boardwalk so I could walk to work and stuff. And I really thought about it. Yeah, and I came closer than you might think to doing it. I believe it. So sometimes when I'm fed up with work, or when I'm stuck fucking redlining a contract for a whole goddamn afternoon, because because some companies are so old school, They're like, here's our forty seven page contract, and I'm like, I did business with a bigger company than you last week and it was eleven pages. Yeah, but it's just is what it is. You have to sit there and redline it.

52:45 I will like in my head or sometimes out loud, I'll just go should have shows the juice users. So anyway, not being said, I really identified with Jeremy's plight. Yeah, because it is scary. To want to be the best is honestly kind of a damning thing. That's something I'm very proud that I've never I've never thought about being the best. I don't care, you know, Like no, I believe that you have to know thyself. And I never even as a little boy, when I had all the dreams in the world all I've ever wanted in life. I wanted to be a pro wrestler and I wanted to be a movie director. I never wanted to be the best at either of those things. I want to do them. I just wanted to do them. Granted, maybe some of that comes from growing up at poverty, whatever, but I just was like, man, wouldn't be cool. If I could do that and not like live in a crack house, that was my goal. That's fair. So anyway, Jeremy said, are you sure that wasn't a haunted house. I mean it's both someone in boys. It's scary in here, welcome to hell.

53:46 So Jeremy has handed a gun then and chef introduces him and the mess, and Jeremy blows his brains out in front of everybody, and they put a tarp up behind him, so it makes like a nice artistic well they have a plastic behind but the tarp under his body and so he'll fall down there and bleed out. And they had like decorated with flowers. Then they roll it up. Everybody's freaking out. But they're so jaded, and it's like a combo of the people there are so jaded but also so fucking spoiled and entitled, although I don't know if you can call someone entitled to pay twelve fifty ahead to go to a restaurant. I mean they paid, but they're so like jaded and expecting so much that they're scared for a second, and then they're immediately like, well, this has got to be and it's got to be part of this. Yeah, that Lilian's the first of the food creek is the first one to say, oh, you know, it's just theater. They're such good actors and it's all part of the menu. As they are served the mess, which is she became convinced that her and her friend were the only not actors. That comes later. Oh okay, sorry, I just remember that. That is what she says. The mess, which is a pressure cooked vegetables of roasted filet potato. Is it can can feet or comb feet comfeet your French, you should get this beef beef jewis and a bone marrow. And then and then it says rest in peace.

55:07 Jeremy Loud. You Dave would try saying, jo you, oh you heard that everybody. Dave took a side on Israel and Palestine. Ah ah ah. He's like, please stop, please stop. No one is dining in it until slow A shouts eat, and then everybody starts digging into it. The regulars go to leave, and Elsa stops them, and she's like, you know, we're gonna take the boat out of here, and she's like, well, there's no boat to leave on. He's like, well, then I'll call a helicopter and she's like, what, it's gonna be hard with no phone service. And he's like, don't worry, honey, I'll handle this. And she's like left hand or right hand and he's like what and she's like, which hand will you handle this with? And she's like, would you like us to decide? Right hand ring finger, left hand or left hand ring finger? So we see the chef come out and shop Richard's ring finger right off, and everybody for chef the chef. Yeah, and Legazamo admits that he doesn't know Sloank at this point because that was one thing too. Yeah, And Lilian is also convinced that the whole thing is for their benefit. Now it was after the finger chops that she's completely like, oh, they're all actors, because she turns the lake withs Amo goes excellent acting and he goes, what the fuck are you talking about, lady?

56:12 I'm my lady. So Chef's Lowick summons Margaret to the kitchen and he asked her again who she is, adding that he served many margos and she is no Margo. He has that the menu has been painstakingly planned and he needs to figure out where to sit her with them or with the guests, and Margo says, well, if I choose right, do I get to live? And he's like, oh no, no, everyone's dying. That's that's how the menus perfected. So he gives her fifteen minutes to decide before sending her back to receipt, and he tells the chefs that he's playing in five and that he loves them all, and he does so by going I love you and they go, we love your too, Chef. Yeah, it's very romantic, very romantic. So Margaret returns the table slapping Tyler, and he's upset because he's thinking that she got a crash course in the kitchen or tasted something that he didn't get the taste. Yeah, and then she got some kind of a slap vegetable or protein. He's such a dick.

56:55 Oh, he think, yeah, because he thinks she got us a spy. What's next? Yeah, yeah, no. So that's when we're introduced to the Palate Cleanser, which is wild Bergamont and Clover team, and Leguizamo is trying to inspire the Tech brothers to break to basically, you know, break a code and go and take over the kidchen. Well, yeah, his attitude, which is honestly not a bad thought. Yeah, I guess is that there that with him, there's four able bodied guys. Yeah, so if they all the moment they get their silverware, just go for it. Yeah, maybe they could make a fight out. Oh and I just realized I forgot what Leguizamo was served. He was served on his tortilla. One of his old movies called Calling Doctor Sunshine. Yeah, Calling Doctor Sunshine, which comes up more. It was a bomb from what That's all he basically says, is that we said. He said it was like a bad script, great vacation, he said, great experience, experience. Yea, he said like bad bad script, bad role or bad script, stupid role, greater experience. Yeah. So that's when he tells them, you know, when we come back, we can take the knives and we can get them all, like that's what I did in this action movie. So the chef's come back over and that's when one of the tech brothers goes to try and break a window with a chair, but the window does not break it all, and Helson comes over and she's like, let me help you back to your table. So Sloak then explains the palate cleanser and asking if there's any questions about him or Hawthorne or tonight's experience, and that's when Lego Zama asked about the evening and Slowik tells him that this is all due to their consequences. They all should know why they're here, yeah, pointing out how Lilian's ego was fed when he when he said her the imitation, and how she has boosted the egos of others as well. Regulars. He goes to ask how many times they've come here? And I asked him if they know

58:25 how many times they come here? Eleven times they've been at this restaurant, Well, they know that he's like six, six, eleven, eleven times and he can't name a single dish. He's the asking to name a single dish, and the wife's like, God, God, God God, and he's like, it wasn't cod, you fucking donkey. It was halib it rare spotted Halibit just for the halibit, just for the haliban Ha. So he continues that he's been trying to satisfy clientele who cannot be satisfied, and that's when the tech brothers bring up dud Verick like they're like, you know, well you say this is your restaurant, it's not your restaurant. He's like, oh no, you're absolutely right. Doug Verick is the owner. He's the one that helped me out with this. But tonight I own Doug Varick. Yeah, And that's when he reveals Yes and a man because they call he's an angel investor. That's important, Yes, because they have him tied to a to a ratchet system being rised up into the sky with angel wings on that Marcos all he got carrying in the previews. Yeah. And then which which is important because that tells you that, like every second there's prep going on. Yeah. So when she's in the bathroom, she sees somebody taking those wings out, just like when you're walking through the kitchen people are cutting carrots. It's all the same thing. It's all part of that experience. It's all part of the kitchen. And that's so he raises up and then they drop him down in the guys and then drown him. Well, the best thing is the reason that he's drowning is because I mean, obviously, because he wants to get his revenge. But he says, you know, well, he kepts you over during open during COVID, and he's like, yeah, he did, but he also would regularly and make changes to the menu, ask for substitutions, and there are no substitutions. So

59:58 lowers him in the water and he's like, do you hear that? That's the sound of be being free? And the one thing I love about that scene is fucking Tyler his eyes closed listening as chef is like, do you hear that? Oh? Yeah, he's so he's taking it all in. Do you even move? He will be right back. Welcome back to do you even movie? So the timer goes off and now it's time for Margo to speak with Slocan again in his office, and he asked her if she's made up her mind. She has no answer for him, and that's when he asked, how does she know Richard? He goes, you know, I've seen you two looking at each other. You know, how do you know her? And that's when we find out that Margo is a oh I can't think of the word escortre escort, and that in this case of particular, Richard was a guy that picked her up and had her go back with him, and she was requested to watch him jerk off and look into his eyes while he did so, and tell him that he's well, tell him good things, agree with him. That was I agree with him. And then eventually she mentions that he had her say he was a good dad.

1:01:05 He was a good dad. Oh, and I love that Sloak is like, oh, romantic. Oh he's a romantic. But I don't even think he's being funny. No, I think he meant it. He was just like, oh, he's a romantic. So Slog asked if she enjoys providing the services, and she says she used to. So Margo asked him the same, and Slok says that he used to as well, but he hasn't had a desire to cook in ages which to keep that in mind, so he invites Margo to accompany him as they return to the dining room, requesting everyone to join him out in the evening air and outside, Slog introduces Sue chef Catherine Keller, and she explains that three years ago, Chef Sloac tried to fuck her. She refused. He tried again and again, and she kept refusing him, even to the point that he didn't speak to her for eight months, but he kept her on the team because he can do that. Yeah, because he's able to do that. Yeah. And that's when she introduces the next course, Man's Folly, before stabbing him in the thigh with scissords. She takes the blood off his thigh, wipes it across his chef's jacket, and Slowak explains that the male diners now can try to escape.

1:02:00 They're gonna have a forty five second head start, just like a man. You forgot the part where he apologizes to her. Oh, he says, I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, she does. She stabs and does it and he says, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah. So he explains the diner the male diners now have a forty five second head start to try and escape. Of course, one takes off running and he goes, okay, that time starts now, so they all go running, and that's when Chef Catherine invites the women back inside of the restaurant. The timer sounds and all the chefs go off to find the men. So that's when we are introduced to the Man's Folly actual dish, which is dungus crab fermented yogurt wee du dunganess. Excuse me, I don't know these terms. Dungus crab just sounds real appetizing, dried sea lettuce, and uimbashi kelp.

1:02:42 So inside, the ladies enjoy a dishes. Liian tries to win over shes Catherine and she's like, you know, this is so good, you know. And Catherine's like, you know, a long time ago that would have meant something to me, and she starts crying, and that's when all the women start like, oh no, it's so good. Well, and she even says like you should have your own place. I can help you with that, and she's like, oh no, no, no. The everyone dying was yeah. So Anne asked Margot how does she know Richard and she confirms that she does, and that's when we see Anne just shoot down her wine. The assistant ask if they're all really dying. That's when Catherine confirms that start starting the menu or ending the menu with them dying was her idea and she's really proud of it. So slowly, slowly, all the men are caught, minus Phil, who is the assistant of Lilian, and he's hiding in a chicken coop and he's given a special bite for the last guest being caught, which is an ascid egg, a special bite for the last guest to be caught, which is egg cram, frushaw and maple man, you are not a fine dining air, No I'm not. Or a French speaker, No I'm not well. Enjoy that. That's the only compliment you'll get your entire life from me inside speaker, and Margo admits her name is actually Aaron and she's from Massachusetts. As the men return, and Tyler, being the dick that he is, goes and grabs the men's folly dish to try and get it, and that's when we see that Richard also realizes that Margot and Ann have talked, and he's like, oh no, oh no, So slow E states the menu cannot resume until they deal with the unresolved matter, going to Tyler and asking why is he here, exposing that Tyler knew all of the evening's events ahead of time, eight months ahead of time, also revealing that he brought Margo because the other date fell through and they

1:04:13 don't have seating for just one. And Margo gets back because now she's like, you invited me to I would die. You knew that I was gonna friaking die. So she starts attacking him, and that's when Chef is impressed by Tyler stating that he's a cook, and since he's a cook, he belongs in the kitchen because he's clearly a foodie. He's clearly like, studied all of these these styles and techniques. He's fascinated by food. So he presents them with the chef's jacket and slowan personalizes it by writing his name on it and marker, and that's what he tells Tyler to cook, and Elsa summons everyone into the kitchen for a demonstration and Tyler requests leaks, shallots, butter lamb. But we got to back up because one of the things is he's trying to get these out as a chef's like asking him for him At one point, he's like, shit, would you like some shit? You like some shit? Shit? Please? So he cooks a dish showing their showing nerves. He's nervous the entire time because at one point he's chopping.

1:05:01 He's like, oh, a new chopping technique I'm not familiar with. Yeah, he's just messily chopping yep, everything, So he starves it to Slowik, who acts impressed. He takes a bite and he's like, wow, I'm I'm you know, I'm impressed to say it's quite bad, and that's when Tyler's bullshit is shown on screen, which is under cook lamb, an edible shallot, leak, butter, sauce, and utter lack of cohesion. Harsh and it is harsh. It's actually kind of sad to see something. He just go like, oh, you care about one thing, Well, fuck you, and then he tells him that he's the mystery. He's why the mystery has been drained from their art, before whispering something in his ear that we don't hear, and that's when Tyler breaks down, removing his chef jacket and walking off into the back. Slow Sure, he's fine, it's gonna be fine. Yeah, he's probably just hanging around somewhere. Yeah, just hanging out. Slowik apologizes to everyone for the demonstration, as it wasn't part of the menu, and he has Margo come with him, telling her that they need to prepare for the dessert and they need a large barrel that Elsa forgot and asking her to retrieve it. From the smokehouse, which she saw earlier on the tour. Elsa gives her the key and Margo goes out, catching sight of Tyler, who's himself in the back kitchen. So you know why Tyler couldn't cook, Why he has no sense of other people.

1:06:06 No, he's he's entirely selfish. He has no desire to make others happy. No, it's all about him, because that's the one thing I picked up on this viewing is that he is. He's telling everybody in regards to Margo for the most part of what he knows about the dish, all the expertise about it and everything. But again, he can't do anything even when he's asked to. Well, he can't. But I really think that the point of that is because he just has no selflessness in him at all. He has no desire to make anyone happy other than himself. So of course, if you don't, I mean I, like I said, I love to cook. Yeah, and it takes a degree of love and joy to cook, especially when you're cooking something complex, when you know that you could literally just fucking make a box of macaroni and cheese, but you're with you know, a loved one, your your you know, girlfriend, a friend like I cooked. I cooked the latcause at a satyr a couple of weeks back, and I love doing it, and but it is messy and unpleasant.

1:07:03 I I refuse to use the grading methods, uh, non traditional grading methods on the on the onions. Yeah. So I'm just like tears and burning face because it's like, no, this is how I was taught. I want to do it the way I the family way. I've got it. And I've got to give you props because I know I've mentioned on the show before in this episode two, but like, you're a really good chef, thank you. W I'm not a chef, I'm a cook cook. Yeah, you're a whole other. Still, I still really wish that you would make that ghost chili ramen again. That was so I will soon. I will tell you what. When winter starts, you ask for it, will go make it happen. Is winter coming? I don't know anymore? But but but all I'm saying is that that you have to have a desire to make another person happy to cook a great meal, absolutely, and it is not always easy. Uh you have to use butter, That's it.

1:07:54 That's that's the whole trick. Just use butter and everyone will love it. So Slow goes to introduce the next dish, but is stuffy like Guzamo asking you know, why is he being punished, and Slow explains he went to see Calling Doctor Sunshine on Sunday, his only day off, and he didn't like the movie. Yeah, that's it, he says, he saw it alone in the cinema, didn't enjoy it, calling him pitiful artist. And La Guazamo asked about his assistant, and he goes, what school did you go to? And she goes, Brown student loans. Sorry, you're dying tonight. Yeah, not one of us. So Margo reaches the smokehouse, but instead goes into Slowak's house, which they saw earlier on the tour, revealing an exact setup like Hawthorne Restaurant inside his house. So his house is a bed and a food or like a couch and like a few of those things, and then just the exact same kitchen, which is sincerely bizarre.

1:08:45 I remember the first time seeing that, I was like, oh fuck, yeah, it tells you everything you need to know. He goes to sleep every night in front of the exact same place he works every day, but it's I mean, it's different but the same. It's a very bizarre twist. So that's what Elsa catches her in, stating no one is allowed inside chef's quarters, adding that she takes care of the customers so chef can take care of the menu. And Margo questions why would she die for her or why would she die for him? And that's when Elsa says, do you think he told me about the barrel? And charges at her with the knife and starts attacking her. They fight, which ends up with Elsa stabbed in the throat. So Elsa is dead now in inside Sloak's house, and after that, Margo goes to another door and finds a radio inside. But inside before that, she sees all these pictures and articles of Slovak's previous restaurants, including one for Hamburger Howies where he was the employee of the month in nineteen eighty seven, and he has a big smile one so happy. Yeah, and I have a lot to say about this as we get further in Yeah, so there's an interesting part I'll get to when we get to this.

1:09:44 You're not interesting, shut up? So like I said. She also finds a radio and tries to call out on it, and that's when Margo returns with the barrel as the tech bro is getting served a birthday kick, and that's when he looks at his buddies and goes, you told him it was my birthday, and the guy was like, about three hours ago this seemed funnier, Yeah, about three hours ago. This scene pretty funny. So slowly tells her to take her seat, and then he states that everything tonight is egoless and he is releasing his pain and that he feels good about it, demonstrating that a chef's hands, you know, can contain heat. He puts it over a flame and holds it there, and that's when suddenly we hear the sound of a boat. So Margo got through to the coast guard. Have you ever heard the term chef hand chef Hans, ye oh yeah, it just means that you have like you're able to handle heat. He says that you can carry a blazing pan to your table, like from the oven to the table with no issue. What's yeah, which I mean I've seen some people with crazy chef hands. Yeah, So slowly tells her to take her seat, and he tells everybody to start cleaning up the dining room.

1:10:32 And that's when he also says, you know, don't bring any attention to this. You don't want this coast guard been to die. But also one question you should ask yourself is why didn't you all try to fight harder? There's more of us than there are review you probably could have won, I mean, and that's a classic horror movie conundrum too. It's like, you know, if you're stuck on the ski lift, do you just jump or do you wait until you're weak to jump? God? The guard walks in asking if anybody calls for a stress order. No one moves, no one says anything, and he recognizes like Gazamo stating that he's a big fan and one of his favorite movies is calling Doctor Sunshine. Yes, and I think that that's really important. Oh you think so too, because I because it gives a way that he's that he may or may not be a part of this is what I saw it as. I think it's because Doctor Sunshine.

1:11:16 And we'll get into it more in a second. Is like Wasamo's characters cheeseburger? Oh okay, okay, we'll get back to that yeah, yeah, yeah. So then he recognizes like Wazamo states he's a big fan, and of course Slowca is like, would you like an autograph? So leg Wasama's like, well, I don't have a pen and paper. They bring it out to him. He writes it and he's like, you know, thank you, and that's when the notes revealed to say help us. The guard draws his gun, telling slog to put his hands on his head drop to the floor, and the guests are like shoot him, shoot him, like he's it's all him, and of course, philled, the Lilian's assistant is like, fuck you, and he goes to turn the gun on Margo, revealing the gun is fake and actually a lighter as he lights the candle on Margo's table. Yeah, it's a good fake out, and he's part of the chef's staff. So he returns to the kitchen and slow It confronts Margo for breaking your bond of trust and says I was wrong about you.

1:12:00 You are meant to be with them. So we see the chef return to the kitchen. Margo contemplates for a second before standing up and doing her own interpretation of the chef's clap. I love this part. This is what made this is what made the film a much had the film have a staying impact on me. Up until this point, it was pretty damn good. But the way the end it is truly excellent. If you have not seen the film, stop, you may want to just go rent it right now. I don't want to spoil it, but I'm really excited to spoil it. So here we go. So Margot contemplates, she stands up, does the chef clap, and that's when she says that she is not satisfied and she would like to send her food back and execs the kitchen, apologizing, asking what about the food is wrong? And she states he's taken the joy out of eating. This food is made with no love, and slog argues, well, you know we cook, we only cook with love here at Hawthorne, and then it says you cook with love. Yes, It's like that's like the most not loving thing ever that they all have to yell yet che so Margo states he cooks with obsession, not love. Hot dishes are cold, and she's bored. And the worst part of it is, I'm still fucking hungry and I love that because the idea you cook with obsession, not love. Listen as your style guy, as your lifestyle coach. Folks, take a moment and think about some of the worst decisions in your personal life

1:13:33 are probably when you did something out of obsession and not love. That's why I love that little moment. Yeah, because she's completely right. And this movie has a lot to say about being in the service industry, which I'll dive into in a second. Keep going. So she says that, you know he has what are you hungry for? We have that? What do you have? Well, we have everything here, and she goes, you know what, I would really want a cheeseburger, And we see Slowick's eyes just light up a little bit. Yeah, yeah, just to smidge it. Yeah, And he goes a cheeseburger and she says, you know, and not some deconstructed bullshit, A real cheeseburger, A real cheeseburger. And he's like, well, how do you want it medium, rare or medium?

1:14:15 And she and what cheese? American cheese? Oh, American cheese is the best of cheese. Doesn't split when it melts? Yeah? And how much will that set me back? Nine five? Does it come with fries? Is the Friar still on. Yes, Chef creakle cut or Julian I love that. Yeah, And that's when we watch slow It craft a delicious looking cheeseburger. And the best part of this is is he's smiling for the first time while he cooks. And it's simple. Yeah. Two meat balls, yep. He puts them on the stove, flattens them, and then puts salt and pepper. Nothing crazy pepper. He does do a few little chefy tricks to make any of the better. He puts onions on, then flips it with the onions so that the steams the onions into the burger yep, which I mean he probably learned from White Castle. Makes sense, but you know those burgers are cooked entirely as it's so good. I'm I love a cover Boss episode of White Castle. Listen, I'm really fucking hungry idea.

1:15:10 Oh God, I ate leftover pizza for dinner and it did not take but so but my poisy. So he makes this simple burger, tons of cheese, He puts it on the bun, he scrases it down. It's juicy as hell, and then the subtitle dave, I love it a real cheeseburger. Is what we get a supplemental course, a cheeseburger, Just a well made cheeseburger. Yeah, that's all it says. Yep, none of that atrama bullshit. Nope, not no extra syllables that you get charged eight dollars a syllable for. So he serves it to Margo. And the best part of this is is everybody in the restaurant's watching this happen. Yeah, they're all just watching this this moment. I don't know how to describe it. And we watch her take a big bite of it and smile, making him smile back more as she goes, that's cheeseburger, and he goes, that is a cheeseburger, and the and she comments that her eyes were maybe a little bigger than her stomach, asking if she can get the rest to go, and so he puts it in a fucking to go box. Yes he does, and then she pays, pays, presents her with the to go bag, and then they let her walk out the front fucking door.

1:16:12 Yeah, she just leaves because she's done with her meal. Yep, do you even? Movie will be right back, welcome back to do you even movie? So slowik then presents the diners with their bill's stating that they have one more course, but he's also going to include a goodie bag, which is the housemaid grains, some of Doug Verrick's fingers, and a copy of tonight's menu. And that's when ladies and gentlemen we get to the final course, which is he talks about how this has been an assault on the taste budge, which is a s'more. He says, you know that it is one of the most atrocious things for a culinary god. What is I can't remember how he says it, but basically how it's a mess, like how this is not like something that should be cooked in a restaurant. Basically, yeah, it's meant for a campfire, meant for a campfire. And that's when we see that the restaurant is about to be the more as they are laying Grand Crappers, Grant Crackers, God Grand Crappers, ladies and gentlemen, Graham Cracker crumbs all over the restaurant floor. They are putting these like marshmallow straight jackets onto the guests and also putting these giant chocolate hats on the guests as well. Dave couldn't think of the word hungry. No, like I'm hungry too, Like I didn't think about this. Oh no, And that's when we see Slowick take his hand into the coals. He grabs the coals and we see Margo pulling away on a boat that she's found. He goes, you know, uh, it was the boat that they saw the coast they saw the coast guard brang. Yeah, and that's when he drops the

1:17:44 coals down, saying, no, I love you all again, We love you two, chef, and we see the entire restaurant, the staff, the customers all go up in flames as these marshmallows chocolate are all melting. And Margo stops the boat as the restaurant I Nights, takes out the cheeseburger, takes a big bite, watches the fire, takes the menu out of the goodie bag and wipes her mouth with it. But we also missed that they bring up the Smores carb which says S'mores marshmallow, chocolate, Graham cracker, customers, staff, restaurant, and that, my friends, is that menu. And I want to say one thing before we get into all of it. Yeah, the chef what was his name? Again the chef Julian Slowick, Slowick, Chef Slowick. I think I know why he wanted to die in the restaurant, not just not just because he's sad. Yeah, I think he needed to prove he was not a god. I could see that. Think about how he is. He has followers, not just the people who work for him, the people who pay obscene money to eat his food. Yeah, he gets to demand everything. He gets to tell them no substitutions, you eat what I give you. It's perfect in every way.

1:18:54 He gets to freaking, you know, touch fire with his bare hands, and he doesn't care. He has his own island, his own everything. It's it's all self serving. I think in a way, if you look at him and the way he carries himself, the way he talks to everybody, I think in a way he feels he's a god and resents it. You're gonna love some trivia here in a second. Oh no, yeah, you ready? I mean, unless you wanted to expand on the whole. No, no, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you this, Okay, I'm down. So one of the restaurants that they see the newspaper article in chef's room shows that he once worked at a restaurant called Tontulus.

1:19:34 Tonsulus is the name of a character in Greek mythology. He invited the gods to his home for dinner, but trick them into eating a stew made from the meat of his own son, who he had murdered and dismembered in order to test their omniscience. When the gods realized what he had done, they cursed Tondulus to stand in shallow pool of water under a fruit tree. Anytime he would raise his hand for the fruit, the tree's branches would rise beyond his reach, and anytime he would bend down to drink, the water would recede, much the same way. The chef has served the elite and sacrificed his own dream, and now all the food and drink is meaningless to him. Hmmm, that's interesting. I do like that. Yeah, yeah, but no, I think I think you're absolutely dead on I think he has kind of came to this realization that since he's lost the passion, since he's lost the desire to do what he loves, that the only way for him to go out is the way for him to go I mean go out with his entire staff. He wants to take it all with it, take it all with him exactly, and the whole thing where he lets the Sioux chef stab him and then ruin his shirt and then he apologizes. I felt like that was a part of him trying to step his way back into mortality since he knew that, like I'm gonna die tonight. Yeah, And that was just something I started to pick up with the way he walked around, the way he looked at people, the way he talked to people, the way he was so confused when people didn't agree with him. I was like, man, this guy's got a god complex and I don't think he likes it.

1:20:49 Doesn't like it. Yeah, yeah, that's just my thought. But so what was it doctor Sunshine calling doctor Son calling doctor Sunshine. I think that calling doctor Sunshine was a metaphor for the Cheeseburger because leg Waszamo's character says when they made that movie like it was a stupid script, not a great role, but a great set to be on. So he had because he smiles when he hears about even though he's like, I'm not like super proud of that movie, but I enjoyed being there. But then you hear one person at the chef who's this hate filled, jaded creature say like, well that movie wasn't very good and it ruined my whole day. But then like some random ass too, chef is like I love that movie. Yeah, because service is subjective, and how happy you make people this subjective? It's also worth considering for a moment, David, that America is a service economy.

1:21:42 We shifted. We used to be a manufacturing economy, now we're a service economy. Most people work in the service industry. But what a lot of people forget. And I bet you didn't know this. You know who's in the service industry? What do you mean? Like, what profession is in the service industry? No, Actors, yeah, filmmakers, that's the service industrivice industry. My point is, see how you didn't even realize it. And you're not a jaded dude. I don't really think you're jaded at all. No, I mean I mean, if you are, it's like whatever, it's not. Yeah, it's minor. But like my point, I mean, we all get jaded about something. Yeah, but that's my point is, like, but even you you're like, oh yeah, because the second I said that, You're like, oh, yeah, of course their service. Yeah, that's what I got from this movies. It's like when you stop caring about who you're supposed to be taking care of. And don't get me wrong, people in the service industry they get treated like shit all the time. They get crapped on. It's a really hard job.

1:22:40 But if you've ever met someone and I don't know if you have or not, who is excellent in the service industry, and I don't just mean they're good at there, they like it. There is a joy I am. I don't know if I'm one of them. I actually liked working retail, but I only did it for four months during Christmas. For a long time. Yeah, But like I have a buddy Ray, you know right, and Ray is a concierge and a manager of hotels. He loves making people stay comfortable. I bet he loves going out of the way. He once told me a story with this big grin on his face because he opened the pool for an extra hour because this family had traveled really far and they arrived an hour late. So he came to the room and was like, I just want to let you know. The door will be unlocked until ten thirty instead of nine thirty. We hope you enjoy your state. But he was so he was just telling me the story and he had a huge smile on his face because he was like, I got to make their day by doing my job. And I think that's how a good chef is. I think that's how you have to be if you want to entertain people. You know, again, I know how fortunate I am. I mostly work in movies, but now my part time gig is podcasting this show and Weekly Spooky.

1:23:49 Weekly Spooky is a really big audience. It's very hard to accrue an audience like that. But every day I sit down, no matter how tired I am, I can't help but get little twinkle in my eye because I'm gonna make someone smile. Like literally, while we were recording the show, I got a comment on Patreon from somebody just saying how much they loved the new series that just finished. Yeah, and it made me so happy. But it's so easy to lose that. And the best way to lose what it means to do something for others is to seek perfection, because then the customer is completely secondary. That to makes sense, so that's just my thought.

1:24:32 So when I heard the multiple references to calling doctor Sunshine, yeah, I was like, that's his cheeseburger. That makes sense, and he doesn't like that people remember it, yet he can't help but smile smile when it brought up. Ye, Yeah, just like the chef couldn't help but smile when he asked was asked for a cheeseburger, because it's like, how hard is it to make a great cheeseburger? It's not that hard. Well, it's the one thing they have to be hard to be valuable. No, And the one thing I love about the scene when she sees the Hungry Howie's article is she sees a picture of him with his family, like his wife and his kid, and he's not smiling. Sees another picture him with a restaurant, not smiling, sees this picture from nineteen eighty seven of him just holding the spatula and the cheeseburger, big ass grint, and she just centers in on it because he's making people happy with food, Yeah, which is what he always wanted. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's so good. That's something I really love about the film. And I've been thinking a lot about the service economy since. Frankly, my mind was blown when I found out that podcasters and filmmakers are categorized as service. I didn't know, and then all of a sudden, I was like, Oh, it actually made me prouder.

1:25:38 It actually made me prouder. I was like, you mean to tell me that, Like, I'm in the same business as the person who just by being polite to me when I pick up a pizza makes my day better. I like it. I mean, I enjoy that. I'm okay with that I am not better than anybody. Yeah, I like that. So because I've always believed that, you know, a little something can make somebody's whole day. Yeah, anyway, I heard that too. I mean I work in a customer service field right now, and the littlest things that I can do sometimes it makes people entire day. Just makes me feel better, Like, even if it's just something that I don't have to really lift a thumb up to do much. It's like just a simple task of either calling a store and verifying something for them, it makes their day incredible sometimes and it's just that little extra effort. Oh yeah, I get praised a lot for great customer service at my web store, because if you like your disc arrives broken, I'll send you a new one like immediately, Yeah, and people will get thrilled. You also ship immediately to truck try to Yeah.

1:26:30 I mean, I mean like I've been sitting with you, like when we've been watching movies and you're pause it and you're like, we got I gotta take some of the post office for the post office right now? All right? So you're ready to wrap the show up? Sure? Al right? So our budget is thirty million for this show? Do I get paid now? Finally? Because I kind of would like to be reimbursed for all the cameras and microphones. So the budget of the film is thirty million. It opens on November eighteenth, twenty twenty two. What do you think the box office was? I don't think it was a massive hit, so I don't know what the opening opening weekend was. But the box office in total was seventy nine point six million, OK. I was going to get some in the seventies actually, believe it or not. Grossing thirty eight point five million in the US and Canada and forty one point one million in other territories.

1:27:14 That's really good filming. Began September third, twenty twenty one, and Savannah Georgia also shot on Jeko Island shore. In twenty nineteen, Emma Stone was attached to play the lead role with Alexander Payne directing, but in twenty twenty one Anya Taylor Joy replaced Stone and My Lad replaced Pain. That would have been a fascinating movie with Alexander Payne in charge. No shit, so so Will Ferrell in. Then we're trying to get Alexander Payne. Yeah, that would have been a very different film here. Yeah. Will Tracy, one of the Riders, dined at Cornelius Sumajit Restaurant, an island restaurant out in Bergen, Norway, during a honeymoon, and later suggested the story to seth Reeves, inspired by the experience. Several figures from the world of fine dining were brought on as consultants of the film, including chef Dominique Crenn, who recreated several dishes from her San Francisco restaurant at tour at tell your cren for I Don't Name No for the fictional restaurant Hawthorne. Second unit director David Gelb, who was brought on to recreate filmmaking style from his Netflix docuseries Chef's Table, which is mentioned in the movie. Yeah, yeah, that's that's interesting.

1:28:17 Seconds got herom tongue. Oh my god, unprofessional. You just eat the hair and keep going trying to Oh my god, I swear. The entire kitchen team were trained to actually create the dishes, broken down station by station, so that at any time you look at them, they're all doing the correct things they should be doing for that dish. Were it real life and not a movie. Ooh, that sounds annoying to those people. The unique dining room set up in the film meant all that. Ad meant that all the actors playing the diners were almost always on stage and were expected to improvise in the background when their close ups weren't being filmed. To keep things fresh and to get to know each other, Joy and Holt would tell each other personal stories with key details change while filming, then try to guess what was fiction and what was fact between takes. I would be like, hey, heyho, all you say peas and carrots and nothing more. A newspaper article on Chef's remo. I read that one ready. Yeah, Jesus Leguizambo based his character of a washed up action star on Steven Sagal, whom he called a horrible human due to a particularly bad experience while working with him on executive decision. Multiple references to Diaz playing a cook in one of the movies maybe a nod to the Under Siege films where Sagal also played a chef.

1:29:24 Yeah, he did. He played a cook on a Just a Cook. I'm just a cook. The burger consumed by Margo was a real burger, as opposed to the foods seen throughout the movie that discreated by Sloan were prop foods. Everyone was so hungry on set watching Anya eating the burger that Leguizamo ordered five guys burgers for and fries for the entire cast. Oh, they only had thirty million. They didn't have a fucking catering. Come Carolyn not. The movie's digital release came just a few days before Norma, an iconic fine dining restaurant in Copenhagen whose traits locally sourced ingredients, exclusive clientele, and an aura of riggity informality likely inspired or at least parallel to, Hawthorne, announced that it would close down a linked article incidentally mentioned criticism of Norma for mistreating and underpaying its workers, much like the oppressive work environment of Hawthorne's kitchen.

1:30:08 Although this problem is a pervasive one throughout the food industry, some even claim that the movie's eerie similarities with reality may have been the final straw for the controversy plug Norma. This makes the finale where the restaurant everyone in it is destroyed slightly and uncomfortable parallel, Oh, because before it was hilarious and joyful. Lastly, boy, there are twelve dining guests, just like the apostles in the Last Supper. Okay, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So before we do our final thought, Yes, sir, what's the most expensive thing you've ever eaten? Flemings? When I went to my parents? When I went with my parents to Fleming's steakhouse, that was a You don't have to know the exact numbers, you just ballpark. It's fine.

1:30:55 No, I'm trying to think of what the dinner the dinner for me? Name one thing you ate even visits twice baked potato. Wow, your parents are cheap anyway. So it was me, my mom, my dad, my sister, and my my ex eight hundred and fifty dollars bill. They don't make an eight hundred and fifty dollars bill, you know what I mean? So, I are you gonna talk what I think you're going to talk about about lime cottsu? Yeah? I knew it. Well, yeah, because I am not a person who spends an immense amount of money on food generally, but well, that is an imense amount of money food sometimes. But when I was I was working down in Miami on a documentary that I had been hired on too, and the producer, the executive producer, very wealthy, and he took me to two different restaurants. One was a sushi restaurant and one was a steakhouse. Neither of them had prices on the menus.

1:31:55 Yeah. The crazy thing is, so the sushi resta served lime caught sushi, which means that the fish is caught on a line, not in a net, which means that they are bled before they die, which means their meat is more supple and less bitter. So we go there, no prices on the menus, and as I'm like about to order a entre, he says, oh no, don't order like a full entree just order stuff and then when they come back, he's Romanian, and when they come back, just order more if you want more. And I was like, how does that work? He's like, watch. So he just like ordered a role, and then when the role was gone, he just ordered even more and more. So we must have ordered between the two of us like sixteen or seventeen times. The check was more than one thousand dollars. Oh sure.

1:32:47 And then when I went to the steakhouse, the check for the two of us was over six hundred dollars. Damn. I got veal because I had Oh I would I had never had veal. Oh yeah. He was very insistent. He was like, get whatever you want. Well, it's not like you can really tell what was most expensive. They're no fucking price rices. Yeah, but no. So those are the most expensive meals of my life. And they were within two days of each other. That's awesome. So anyway, but prior to that, it would have been like going to the Pine Club or something around daton C. So what's your final thought on this movie? Dave? This is a buy it for me. I'm gonna give it a buy it with a caveat that it may be a rented for others. This the reason that I love the menu is because it is a great unveiling of obsession and of I would say like it's a it's a toss between obsession and perversion material like materialism. How do you mean, because you have you have the the people that are there, the people that have been there eleven times, and you've got the fact that Slowak has lost his he's lost his desire to cook. You've got people that are coming there just basically for the gram as we said earlier, and this kind of shows everybody in a light that is both showing the consequences that they had, like he points out and everything, but also on top of that, we get to see we get to see a display of how people I'm trying to think I want to word this, when you are faced with when you're faced with the consequences of your actions, but also you see what it has done to another person, it makes you kind of accept the faith that you've been given in

1:34:19 a sense, I mean, when you're not a sociopath, that would be correct. You know I'm not one of those things. Well, don't forget. There was a moment when Anya Taylor Joy was being asked about being a prostitute. Yeah, and she said, I get to meet people like you. Yeah, And the chef was just like, there's no one like me, like, and she just chuckles, Yeah, because there's tons of people. No, I mean you you nailed the god complex to one hundred percent. Oh yeah, I mean, and that's That's another reason I love this movie is because the performance is in it. I mean, Finds Alone is amazing, but between Legazamo's character and you have Anya Taylor Joy, you've got Nicholas Holt. I mean, everybody keeps you watching this movie because you don't know what's gonna happen. It's a great ensemble. Yeah, phenomenal ensemble.

1:35:01 I'm gonna give it a rent it. I think that if this film ages, well, yeah, in ten years, it would be a by it. Okay. I feel like it's it's rare that a movie is a buy it when it's only like two years old. I get that not always rare, but I just feel like, do I have to own it? Maybe? But I'm really into artsy films, and whenever I give the buy it rent it, I try to kind of think broader than myself, more fun film. I mean this. This isn't necessarily a fun movie, but I'm talking broadness. I'm just trying to think about Like, yeah, I like really heady bull crap. But do I think that anybody listening to this should buy it if you're into that kind of thing. Yeah, but you'll know by the end of the film if you would rather buy it than rent it.

1:35:45 But I definitely think it's a rent. It's worth paying, you know, five six bucks to watch it tonight if you haven't seen under two hours. And I mean that that that alone is as worth it my opinion, special special indeed, so recommendations. We always like the show. I read one of your recommendations. You stole mine. You want to give it, and y'all give the other. All right, you give your first one. I fucking knew you were going to pick that one, because didn't I introduce you to that film? Oh dude, I saw that movie. I rented that movie at Family Video. You never rented anything that kill Family video all by your sight? Did that family video with friends? Now I know you're lying, Go ahead and give yours. Oh I was gonna recommend Bitter Feast. It was a twenty twenty ten twenty ten. That was a indie film starring Josh Leonard, famous for being in The Blair Witch Project, and James Lgrow who is what's his face on Point Break and Justified. I can't think of his character named Roach. He's Roach on Point Break well, and they're both phenomenal in it. But it's about a chef who kidnaps a reviewer.

1:36:45 No, Runny yellows it's an excellent film. I'm mad. I'm just mad you had there, because that's one of those movies I love that's really under the radar. And I think Bitter Feast is one totally worth watching, and I'm gonna recommend one that also focuses on obsession. Twenty fifteen's Burnt with Bradley Cooper of Jones is a chef who destroyed his career with drugs and diva behavior. He cleans up and returns to London, determined to redeem himself by spearheading a top restaurant that can gain three Michelin stars. No, actually I like the movie. I do. I don't think it's Burns. I'd just like to tease about the fact that nothing gets burnt in the whole movie. Feelings get burned. Maybe, so you want to know what we're talking about next week, not in the least. Well, you know how we said we're gonna take a break from the nineties, No, we lied Urban Legend from nineteen ninety eight. I cannot remember what her name was that requested it, but this was a birthday request for one of our listeners and a big personal favorite of mine. I'm really really happy to talk about this one. Yeah, Urban Legend beabe and that is going to be a fun one to discuss.

1:37:44 And I'll get to talk about a horror movie while I'm in the midst of directing one, that is true. Hooray. Yeah. Well, before we get out of here, we do have emails, yes you told me, but I don't have them, so you got to read them? Well, yeah, because you can't read. So these folks wrote us at do you even Movie pod at gmail dot com. The first one is from a gentleman named Kevin Potthoff. The subject line, I already like it says great showy, awesome show today. Guys really enjoyed it. So this was on the day that we released the Beekeeper episode. Hope you guys start pulling some movies from the nineteen sixties and seventies. We'd love to. I would also like to hear your take on Monster Squad and the original House on Haunted Hill.

1:38:30 Okay, thanks for the entertainment. It makes the day go by. I am also enjoying Weekly Spooky. Well, thank you for checking on my other podcast as well. Well, I'm gonna tell you right now, Monster Squad is my birthday movie. That's for this year. Okay, so because it's been my favorite for since before you were so, we're gonna do Monster Squad at my birthday, which is September, early September. As far as nineteen sixties and seventies, I mean, I'm down. I would love to pull some order over onto the show for sure, because I have been into a lot of noir lately from the forties and fifties, and I think some of those would make pretty good episodes. And some of them are an hour and fifteen minutes long. That's very common actually. And then we have one from a go Wow, this is a lot of recommendations. Oh okay, we have one from our good buddy Eric Whiting. Oh, mister Whiting, Yeah, not only a listener of the show, but a good friend of mine. My editor often assistant director on films, and the headline is the subject line is movie options for future episodes. Okay, this is actually a really good list. I'm excited. Longtime listener, first time emailer. Here are a handful of movies that could be good choices for future episodes. Some are favorites of mine, some are ones I don't often find podcasts about.

1:39:42 All are ripe for discussion and reaction. Hell yeah, first one Blood Simple Yes, Second One, Cable Guy Yes. Third, Cecil Be Demented. Yes, forever this one. I've not heard a Flight of the Intruder from nineteen ninety one. That's a solid flick, I think, and I think just watched it recently because I follow Whiting on Letterbox. That looks good too. Maniac from nineteen eighty Yeah, we do Maniac. Nope from twenty twenty seven, I would love to do. No. I Love Nope as well. No Speratu, the Werner herd z Og remake I'll Be Down Seconds from nineteen sixty six. That is a political thriller. I want to say. I can't remember Serpent in the Rainbow from eighty eight. I fucking love Surfring the Rainbow ooh, this one's really and Small Soldiers from nytwo. Yeah, I love Small Soldiers of course my birthday movie actually hell oh, and whatever gets them away from Slaughter High. Yeah, yeah, you'll take that one.

1:40:34 Since they come up in discussion a lot. One of the original three Jack Ryan movies could also be a great choice. Patriot Games is the most nostalgic for me. I love patriotri Games. I need to revisit the Jack Ryan series. Hunt for at October was probably the one that I watched the most, though, Growing Up Fair fair enough. And then the last line is if you're willing to break the availability rule the cook a thief, his wife and her lover from nineteen eighty nine, I just so happen to have that on Blu Ray and Happiness from nineteen ninety eight. I don't know about that. I mean, if we don't want to review Happiness, we could at least review like Palindromes or something Welcome to the Dollhouse or Welcome to All House tat Salons. I don't wrong Whiting. I love happiness, you know, I love happiness. That is just a tough one. It's too close to home on account of you know, Dave being a uh shut up what That movie is a tough watch for anybody. And also, like you said, availability wise until Criterion supposedly puts out that new four K, I don't know when it's gonna get available again. You want to tune a sandwich?

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