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The Ice Storm (1997) Family Drama and Suburbia in 1970s America

The Ice Storm (1997) Family Drama and Suburbia in 1970s America
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Henrique and David begin their Thanksgiving-film series with The Ice Storm (1997), Ang Lee’s adaptation of Rick Moody’s novel, scripted by James Schamus. Set in New Canaan, Connecticut, over Thanksgiving weekend in 1973, the drama follows the Hood and Carver families as marital resentment, adolescent experimentation and emotional isolation collide with a severe winter storm. The hosts see the weather as more than atmosphere: it is an indifferent force closing in while everyone focuses on private desires.
Kevin Kline and Joan Allen play Ben and Elena Hood, with Tobey Maguire and Christina Ricci as their children, Paul and Wendy. Sigourney Weaver and Jamey Sheridan lead the neighboring Carver household, while Elijah Wood gives Mikey Carver a vulnerable, searching quality. Henrique and David discuss how the adults’ affairs and evasions mirror the younger characters’ risky attempts to understand intimacy, responsibility and the confusing social rules of suburban America.
The episode pays special attention to cinematographer Frederick Elmes, whose naturalistic lighting, reflective glass and ice-covered landscapes make the period setting feel both precise and uncanny. The hosts trace the Thanksgiving dinner, the key party and the children wandering through the storm before tragedy resets every adult grievance. Ben’s final reaction upon seeing his son alive becomes the emotional center: a recognition that his family’s ordinary conflicts had eclipsed what actually mattered.
Henrique and David recall discovering the film together in 2020 and finding it richer on later viewings. They praise Lee’s control of a large ensemble and a cast packed with established performers and rising stars. Henrique’s mall-shoplifter stories and David’s ill-advised combination of many ham slices and Jack Daniel’s remain part of the conversation, comic digressions that contrast sharply with the film’s restrained melancholy.
Henrique gives The Ice Storm a buy-it rating for its themes, performances and historical value; David recommends renting it first, with a buy-it caveat for physical-media collectors. Both emphasize that its uncomfortable material is purposeful rather than sensational. Their companion recommendations include The Big Chill, Pieces of April, Welcome to the Dollhouse and Nebraska, extending the discussion of family disconnection, coming of age and the painful perspective that arrives when circumstances grow larger than anyone’s self-absorption.
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Next stop will be New Canaan Connect Tickets, New Canaan

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Connect Ticket, next stop.

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Once there was a time when families were strangers.

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All I did, Guy, I'm just confirming you'll be on

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the four forty on Wednesday, right, So you and your

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sister can mop around the house, and your mother and

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I can wait on your hand and foot while the

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two of you occasionally grunt for more food.

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Neighbors were lovers, you know, I think Elena might suspect something.

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Yeah, musk or something happen and America was learning the truth.

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Are you watching this watching what Nixon dufus? He's a liar?

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Calm down. I wasn't in on it. It was nineteen

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seventy three and the climate was changing.

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The men put their car keys in a bowl and

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at the end of the evening the women line up

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and fished them out.

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How are the parentally and it's functioning these days? Dad's

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doing up with people routine say good or bad.

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It's just to developers sense if things are going to

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work out or if they won't.

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I have a husband, I don't particularly feel the need

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Sometimes it's not worth the mess.

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From Acclaim, director ang Lee comes a portrait of an

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American family.

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Dear Lord, thank you for this Thanksgiving holiday.

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I'm for letting us stuff ourselves like pigs.

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Even though children, all.

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A person's body is his temple.

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And they were falling apart.

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I don't never want to see you.

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Then, why'd you come after me?

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It's not what you think. It's not some big plot.

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Stop the car stop.

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And during one winter weekend they would discover something that

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would change their lives forever. Kevin Klein, Joan Allen, Toby Maguire,

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Christina Ricci, Elijah Wood, and Sigourney Weaver The Ice Storm.

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In a world where podcasts reign supreme, two friends dare

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to ask.

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Do You Even? Movie?

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Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David de Noyer.

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Spoiler alert.

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Well, hello everybody, and welcome back to Do You Even? Movie?

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I am, of course your host Enrique Kuto here with

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my good buddy and co host Double D David Denoiye. Greetings,

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and he is all about the gravy and the dark meat.

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The gravy, the dark meat and Dean, actually, are you

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a dark meat guy? I'm a dark meat Verry.

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Dark meat is good, but I'm weird about turn. I

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prefer Christmas.

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Hand always on Thanksgiving.

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No, I said Christmas hands.

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Well, you see, Dave. Yes, we're into November now, says

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who Well, says my ripped to Shred's voice, as I'm

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trying to do this podcast, and boy, I do not

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usually have this sultry of a voice. I thirty one

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shows in thirty one days was quite a choice.

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It's a shame we're not doing talk radio tonight. That

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would have been the perfect movie for this.

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Oh yeah, so I could sound like Peter mcgoshoner Eric

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mcgoshon Peter. They're all the same, they're all names. But

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but I have to say I don't usually comment on

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the trailers play at the start of the show, but wow, yeah,

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the Ice Storm. I would say that trailer gets the

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movie about sixty percent. I'd say I think that's a

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little harsh because they do do the thing where they

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exapose the perfection of the family with some weird stuff

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coming up, like the Nixon stuff, the sex stuff, the

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Key party stuff. But this is a very sad, very

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still for many reasons, not just the the the outwardly

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tragic moments at the end. This is a movie about

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lives imploding and selfishness, and it's it's a heavy watch.

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And they make it sound so heartworm.

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next feel good movie, and it's it's not.

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No, not not even a little bit.

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It's feel good.

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It's an excellent movie. And don't get me wrong. I mean,

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I guess the only way if I had to market it,

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the only way I would think to market it fairly

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would be to kind of have its start kind of devious,

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kind of have like, you know, more of a drama tone.

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and stuff like that. But the ending where it's like

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and they discover something that changes everything or whatever, how

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are they put.

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It in the scene that they choose.

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And they show a clip from like a literal tragedy

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at the end of the film which does change them.

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It's just that that's a bit, I would say, a

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bit on the extreme side. But wow, yeah, so oh

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well that's what the episode's about. So I fucking hope,

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So yeah, tonight's film is the nineteen ninety seven drama

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and not comedy, The Ice Storm. Not I mean no,

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not even a drama y, not even not even a

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little bit. And it is quite quite the film, quite

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the experience. For those who have not seen this, I

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highly recommend it. It's currently streaming on Max correct and

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that's where I would recommend you check it out. But

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who uh uh, it's rare that I mean, this isn't

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as bad as some of we've seen some trailers where

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we were our jaws were on the ground at how

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horribly well not even miss marketed, like you know, they

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mismarketed the first take in movie. Yeah, but they didn't

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try to make you think it was about a daughter

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and a father who go on a camping trip. You know,

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like like wow, because what was that movie? Was your

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friend and neighbors or our friends, our friends and neighbors,

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your friends, neighbors, your friends and neighborsigbor One of the

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saddest films I've ever seen, very good, one of the

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saddest films I've ever seen. The trailer literally makes it

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look like a laugh out loud comedy and that movie

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is like soul crushing lye soul crushingly bleak. It is

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so sad, so brutally sad. So with that all being said, yes,

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now that Halloween is no longer upon us, we are

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spending this month November, celebrating America's premiere holiday. Yes, other

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than the fourth of July, I suppose I would say,

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which is Thanksgiving For those who don't know. I don't

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know how you wouldn't. Thanksgiving is a time when you

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what you're checking what time it was, more so turning

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my watch on this freaking guy.

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There we go.

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Thanksgiving is a time when you show thanks, spend time

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with your family, and traditionally you eat turkey A little

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Dave would rather a ham, I guess.

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I so there there has only been one turkey, like

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one significant piece of turkey that has like won me

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over completely. And it was a clope of all places

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at your work, yes, at my work, and it was

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it was a it was the Thanksgiving carry and I

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think they had last year in the cafeteria for us,

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and it was some of the best turkey, if not

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the best turkey I've ever had in my life, to

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where it was just like wow, this is like really good.

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And I usually don't go for turkey much unless I

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cover it in gravy.

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So your family's bad at making turkey.

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No, my family's gonna make it turkey. I just I've

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never been a big turkey person.

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Okay, so what made this turkey good?

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It just had flavor too, So maybe I don't know.

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I'm not trying. I'm not trying to throw your family

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under the bus, but it really sounds like.

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I'm not gonna say anything else regards to my family's cooking.

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But usually turkey doesn't have a lot of flavor for me,

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not specifically, just with my family.

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Well, I'm not gonna deny that turkey is a somewhat well,

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especially the white meat. So that's kind of my point.

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The dark meat has an immense amount of flavor comparatively,

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but a good turkey is great.

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And I've only cooked turkey once and I did fine.

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But I got a half cooked turkey. I got one

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of those that you cook at the rest of the

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way for two and a half hours and then it's ready. Yeah,

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and that thing was stupid good. But I've always said

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that my favorite thing about Thanksgiving is I get to

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eat just enough turkey to be done eating turkey potentially

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for the rest of the year, although I like a

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Christmas time turkey all right.

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My favorite is the stuffing. Stuffing is my absolute favorite

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for Thanksgiving.

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Just like stovetop or do you have a specific kind office.

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mom has made the same stuffing for like ever since

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I was young to now that I always look forward,

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like I get my own pan of it every year.

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Yeah, I get my own pan of deviled eggs from

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my mother.

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Yeah, oh yeah, those deviled eggs. Slap.

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Oh, my mom's devil eggs are amazing. She puts half

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a green olive on each one, and it is truly

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a delight.

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It is very very good.

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Did you know that when you consume enough chlorisseptic medication

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it makes your stomach upset?

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I did not.

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Yeah, well the audience will when they hear me burping

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unintentionally throughout. Well, these are little, tiny sad burps, not

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not like a loud I'm definitely dying burns. No, they

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are pathetic. They're like a brief illness burps, not like

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your This is definitely why I'm gonna die burps death rattles.

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Yes, yes, yes, do You Even? Movie will be right back,

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welcome back to Do You Even?

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Movie?

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So we're gonna be talking about Thanksgiving movies, yes, throughout

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the whole month leading up to the big day. Because

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another interesting factoid is do You Even Movie launched on

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Thanksgiving Week where we talked about our first film, which

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was Planes, Trains and Automobiles that is correct, which is

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not only the quintessential Thanksgiving joy ride of films, but

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also just one of my top five movies of all time.

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Great film.

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So, but I'm I'm still kind of I thought, man,

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you guys are just bad at making turkey. I mean,

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for the record, I'm not I'm being dead Seriously.

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I'm not just episode I apologize.

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I'm not just here to crap on you and your family.

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That's not my point.

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Uh huh.

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A lot of people complain that their turkeys are dry,

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Like that's a very common complaint. A lot of people

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say that turkey gets overcooked very commonly. That's like a

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normal that's like an average mistake.

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Yeah, Like, I just it's never been one thing like

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I will usually get like when we sit down for

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Thanksgiving dinner, I'll usually have like maybe three or four

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pieces of turkey Max and then I'm and then I'm good.

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Now I will, like I said, I will slosh gravy

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all over that sub bitch.

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Well I mean, but I mean the the gravy is

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there for.

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That, Yeah, exactly. But at the same time, like I

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generally do not look forward, not look forward to the

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wrong one. Wow, I'm not as enthusiastic as I am

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about a Christmas Ham.

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Well, ham is easy to to do well because ham

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is just a big ball of fat, stays juicy. You

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don't even have to buy it. You can just get

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a honey baked tam. You don't even have to cook it.

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Would you like to hear my very sad meat sweat

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story about a Christmas Ham?

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I mean, that's really for next next month, but.

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We no, no, it has nothing to do with Christmas.

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It was actually technically a New Year's Ham. But long

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story short, I went to a I went to a

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graduation party for my good friend who is actually my

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roommate now when he was in high school, and the

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party was close to something in regards to I believe

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New Year's. I believe it was New Year's because there

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was a ham there leftover ham that had not gotten eaten.

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And this was a party where we had drinks. We

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had a lot of fun and everything, and it got

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to the point in the night that I was that

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I was getting the munchies, and so I had also

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drank basically about half a bottle of Jack Daniels through

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the day at this point.

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Jesus Christ, it was bad.

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It was bad.

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Anyway.

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I mixed it, like I didn't just drink it straight

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like I had, mixed drinks like I had.

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Well, saying it's mixed doesn't help when you said you

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drink half a bottle of it though, Yeah, So that

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that kind of negates the like, well I want wasn't

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just drink Yeah, but you told us how much you

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ended up drinking? Was this this was years ago? This

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is years ago.

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It's fine, This was like Thursday, shut up. But no,

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So anyway, he maybe it was it was a birthday.

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It was birthday, not graduation because he had his birthday

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is in December. Duh uh. So anyway, he had like

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gotten to the point of the evening like he'd opened

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up some of his gifts he gotten and this ham

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was sitting there and I was like, I'm gonna have

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some ham. Long story short, in a matter of two hours,

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I believe I ate between like fifteen to twenty slices

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of ham on top of drinking that Jack Daniels. So

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the next morning that I woke.

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Up, You're lucky you woke up, I was.

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Extremely hot for woman and sweating. And then that's when

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I also realized that the sweat had the smell of

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the ham in it. I legitimately had meat sweats for

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the first time and only time ever in my life

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so far.

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I just imagined Jesse from Nightmare Elm Street two waking

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up in his bed that first scene, but it's you

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with like with like like a Christmas sweater. I woke up.

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I woke up the next morning to see not only like,

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not only have that feeling going on, but the first

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thing I saw on the dining room table was my

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empty bottle of Jack Daniels.

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And that's when I knew I'd made a mistake. So

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you you learned something.

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Oh, we still laugh about it to this day, Like

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Laurie and I will literally talk about the night that

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I ate like between like twenty to thirty slices of ham. Yes,

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I know it increased what I told the story Now

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but it's because I'm embarrassed to actually say what I

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believe the number was.

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It's like Paul Bunyan in his big blue offs, except

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it's a drunk guy eating ham and trunk. Yeah, it's

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the same fucking thing, man, same goddamn thing. So yeah,

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that was.

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That was the one and only time so far I've

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ever had meats once that I absolutely deserved it.

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I mean, I wouldn't say deserve is a strong word.

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I would say earned it. I like that, Yeah, because

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you didn't get what you deserve. I mean, because it's

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not like it's not like somebody came and said, now

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listen here, David. If you drink half a bottle after

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there Jack Daniels, and you eat twenty to thirty slices

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of ham, there's a chance you go and get sick.

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That was not the deal that was made with the earth.

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I did not get sick though that night or the

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next day. I just had meat, sweats and felt awful.

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Okay, So your definition of sick is puking due to

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going to college. Your definition of sick is vomiting. Vomiting

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is sick to me? Yes, to me, sick is feeling really,

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really bad that.

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Can be sick. Yes, that can be sick. I'm saying

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I did not get sick that night.

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No, you got sick, thing I didn't. You became ill,

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I became ill.

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I did not become vomiting.

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Vomiting is how normal people I've never drank. Is this

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how normal people justify their actions? Is this like the

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way it goes? No comment? Okay, fair, no comment. You

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know what's funny. It's funny because I was going to

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as a fun curveball while we talked about this film. Yeah,

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I was gonna throw you the tell me a really

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horrible drunk story. Yeah, and you just fucking jumped right

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in with it. You were just ready to rock. You

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were like I should have known when you shut up

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without sleeves, I should have known.

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I can't wear my pumpkin shirt on the show we're

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into Thanksgiving.

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Well that's your mistake. See, I split the difference. I've

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got a Garfield Halloween Adventure shirt, but then I've got

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my Thanksgiving Hawaiian shirt right over top of it. It's

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actually a turkey riding of velociraptor or a t rex.

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It's pretty great.

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I think it's a velociraptor. And yeah, because Thanksgiving is

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I I this is gonna be an unpopular opinion, Okay,

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but I love Thanksgiving very very much, and I hate

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that so many people treat it as just like the oh,

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whatever thing we have to do pre Christmas holiday. I

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love getting really excited for Thanksgiving.

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But I think it's also fair to say that you

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and I have Thanksgiving tradition with our friends of like

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Thanksgiving night, people come over here, we bring leftovers, We

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watch plane trains, we watch Dutch like we have. We

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have a culmination of our friends to hang out with

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on Thanksgivings as well as the family.

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Yeah. But the reason that I pushed for that to occur, yeah,

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was because I spent a couple of Thanksgivings totally alone

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and it sucked. Yeah. Actually my go to Thanksgiving. I

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had no idea why when I lived like out in

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New Jersey all by myself. Was the thing? Interesting? I

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watched it one year and then I watched it for

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like four or five years.

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I mean, it is about friends getting it together when

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it's cold outside.

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That is true, and about really spending time together and

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learning who we really are. Oh, it's like the trailer

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for this fucking movie. But for the thing speaking of

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who we really are?

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Should we talk about the fact that we went to

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see Smile Too over the weekend?

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Oh?

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We can, but I suppose we should make it relatively quick.

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Yeah's why I figured we. I mean, there's not much

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to say about it. It's it's good. I really enjoyed it.

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No, Smile two kicked ass, Yeah I got. I had

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a blast with it. I thought it was really fun.

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I thought the scares were really solid. Yeah, the twists.

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Really good, really good night some nightmarish imagery. Because I

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liked the first Smile film, but actually seeing Smile two

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is maybe want to go back and rewatch it now?

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Yeah? Me too.

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It wasn't a big it wasn't awesome for me, but

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I still enjoyed it. But now seeing Smile two and

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kind of knowing the follow of the films and whatnot,

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I'm curious to go back and see if that other

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one's age pretty any better on me.

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I mean, I like the first one quite a bit too.

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Just kind of blew it out of the water for me.

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So that's why I want to give it another chance.

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Yeah, but it's kind of like your bullshit argument about

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liking hollow, about Halloween two being better than Halloween one

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too bad. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no,

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this is not me saying Halloween two is not good.

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We've had this discussion before. I love it's bit on

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this show, but.

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Personally, no, My argument is not that Halloween two is

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not good or that sequels cannot be good. Yes, My

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point is that often when you have a part two

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that is just oh wow, like like Godfather too. One

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of the reasons that the movie can be so wowe

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the first one got all of the other shit out

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of the way, so then the next one could be

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fun in games all the way through, which is which

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is great. But my point is like if you can't

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consider them great as standalone movies, because you would be

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like you'd be the whole time, you'd be like, wait,

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what is why is this happening? Why is this happening?

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It's kind of like did you ever get around and

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seeing the Dune movies?

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The first one I haven't seen.

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Yeah, well that's my thing with Dune one. I liked it,

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but I found it a little tedious. Yeah, Dune two

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I loved, and I think it's because they got all

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that major world building out of the way and one,

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so then two was just like, anyway, here's some giant

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worms and shit. And I was like, yeah, okay, let's

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rock and roll. So no, but I'm not saying anything

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negative about Halloween two or your love of Halloween two.

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And I think it's totally fair for it to be

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your favorite, but I it completely reaps all of the

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benefit from Halloween one. Existing Without Halloween one, Halloween two

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would feel kind of empty because Halloween one had all

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the meat.

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Did you listen to my episode on this week in

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Geek and that's why this is coming up?

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No? Okay, no, it's because we're actually still it's still October. Yes,

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and I watched it last night.

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Yeah, it's so good to wait. So you watched two

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and then one?

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Uh last night or two nights ago. I was curious. Look,

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you do thirty one podcast in a row, and then

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you tell me what day it is, You tell me

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what soap is, You.

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Drink half a bottle of whiskey, thirty pieces of ham,

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then talk to me.

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Listen. I can do a lot of things with the

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power of Jesus Christ.

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Do you even movie will be right back welcome back

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to do you even movie?

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Are you ready to get It? The Ice Storm? What

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the What Now?

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The Ice Storm from nineteen ninety seven, one hour in

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fifty two minutes. Rate it R for sexuality and drug use,

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including scenes involving children, and for language.

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They speak English throughout the entire thing.

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That they do. Our director on the film is Ang Lee.

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He gets his start in nineteen ninety one as a

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writer and director on Pushing Hands, The Wedding Banquet in

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ninety three. Also writer and director on Eat Drink Man

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Woman in ninety four, writer and director on that as well,

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does Sense of Sensibility in nineteen ninety five as director,

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then The Ice Storm in ninety seven, follows that up

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in ninety nine with Ride with the Devil, then Crouching Tiger,

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Hidden Dragon in two thousand, Hulk in two thousand and three,

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Broke Back Mountain two thousand and five, Lust Caution two

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thousand and seven, Taking Woodstock, The Life of Pie, Billy

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Lynn's Long Halftime Walk in twenty sixteen, and then Jim

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and I Man in twenty nineteen.

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The Woe with Will Smith. That is correct. Oh I

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never saw it.

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I did not even know he directed it. To be honest, well, a.

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Lot of honestly, a lot of those on there I

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had heard of. Oh Angli had done them.

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One that I do want to shout out that that

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kind of came in. Win and Taking Woodstock in two

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thousand and nine is the story of the people that

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let woodstock happen on their land.

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Dimitri Martin's actually the st I saw it. That's really good.

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It's a really good movie.

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It was very good and again advertises a comedy and really.

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Not no, no, it's it's more of a it's a

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lighter drama. Yeah.

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The writer on the film is that the novelist was

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Rick Moody, who did the book's Garden State in ninety two,

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The Ice Storm in ninety four, Purple America in ninety six,

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The Diviners in two thousand and five.

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Was the book Garden State what the movie was based so.

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He wasn't tagged to it, but the description sounds like it,

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but it wasn't linked to it on the Wikipedia. Okay,

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a fine, The Four Fingers of Death in twenty ten,

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Hotels of North America in twenty fifteen. As far as

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films go, that he's written has been adapted for the

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Ice Storm in ninety seven and Personal Effects in two.

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Thousand and nine.

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Okay, yeah, well, the screenplay writer is James Seamus. He

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gets his start in ninety one on Pushing Hands for

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ang Lee, A Wedding Banquet ninety three, Eat Drink Man

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Woman in ninety four, does the Ice Storm in ninety seven,

473
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Right with the Devil in ninety nine, Crouching Tiger, Hid

474
00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:02.160
and Dragon two two thousand. This guy Angley uses this

475
00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:04.920
guy for a lot of his screenplays. Okay, the Tortilla

476
00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:09.680
Soup in two thousand and one, Hulk Lust, Caution, taking Woodstock, Indignation, Somos,

477
00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:11.279
and The King's Daughter in twenty twenty two.

478
00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:12.920
I mean that's quite a resume.

479
00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:15.680
Now buckle up, because as we move into our cinematographer,

480
00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:19.039
it's Frederick Elms. He is the DP on nineteen seventy

481
00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:21.400
Street Scene, and then in seventy seven he shoots a

482
00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:24.759
little film called a Racer Head, a.

483
00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:28.240
Little film, indeed, yeah, but with quite the staying power.

484
00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:30.559
Then in eighty three or eighty two he directs the

485
00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:32.960
Go Gos Get Up and Go video Valley Girl. He

486
00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:36.039
shoots Valley Girl in nineteen eighty three, Go Go's Head

487
00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:38.480
Over Heels video in eighty four, rivers Edge at eighty

488
00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:42.319
eighty six, Blue Velvet in eighty six. Wow, Alan Quarterman

489
00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:44.440
in The Lost City of Gold in eighty six for

490
00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:48.279
Cannon Film. Yes yeah, Conspiracy Trial the Chicago eight and

491
00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:51.880
eighty seven are a permanent record. Michael Jackson's Moonwalker in

492
00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:52.680
nineteen eighty eight.

493
00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:54.559
Well, now we're getting into classics.

494
00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:57.119
Michael Jackson's lead Me Alone video in eighty nine, Wild

495
00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:00.000
at Heart in nineteen ninety, Cold Dog Soup in nineteen,

496
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.039
Night on Earth in ninety one, Trial by Jerry and

497
00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:05.680
ninety four, Shoots the Ice Storm in ninety seven, followed

498
00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:08.599
by Ride with the Devil, Chain of Fools storytelling in

499
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:09.400
two thousand and one.

500
00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:15.680
Holy shit, Wait, this guy goes from fucking for like

501
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:20.119
one of the first David Lynch movies to River's Edge

502
00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:24.960
in Blue Velvet yep, then Cannon Films somehow yeah, then

503
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:29.319
ends up doing like Michael Jackson yeah projects yeah, and

504
00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:31.839
then the Ice Storm and then after that goes to

505
00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:32.640
Todd Salons.

506
00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:35.880
That's correct. Wow, We're not done yet, I believe you.

507
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.039
So then he does Trap to the Kevin Bacon film

508
00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:40.240
in two thousand and two, Hulk in two thousand and three,

509
00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:41.759
Coffee and Cigarettes in two thousand and three.

510
00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:44.039
So then Jim Jarmoush, Yeah Yeah, that's a good one.

511
00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:45.920
Follows that up with Kinsey in two thousand and four,

512
00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:48.680
Broken Flowers two thousand and five, The Namesake two thousand

513
00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:50.680
and six, Bride Wars in two thousand and nine, The

514
00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:53.839
Kate Hudson and Anne Hathaway comedy.

515
00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:55.039
Oh Wow Wow.

516
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:57.880
Brothers in two thousand nine, with Toby mcguarre and Jake Gillenhall,

517
00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:02.039
The drama Wow Yeah, A Late Quartet in twenty twelve.

518
00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:04.359
Launa del Raised the video for Blue Velvet in twenty twelve,

519
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:08.000
Horns with Daniel Radcliffe in twenty thirteen, I Remember Horns,

520
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:12.319
Olivia Kittridge in twenty fourteen, The Night Of in twenty sixteen, Wilson,

521
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:16.000
the Woody Harrelson movie, Oh My God, This Guy. The

522
00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:18.319
Looming Tower in twenty eighteen, the Jeff Daniels nine to

523
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:21.480
eleven series Jesus, Rice the Dead Don't Die.

524
00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:22.079
In twenty nineteen.

525
00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:25.319
Jarmusch again rights the Jesus Rolls in twenty nineteen, The

526
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.960
Big Lebowski Loose sequel, Oh Yeah Yeah, The Hunters in

527
00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:30.599
twenty twenty the Amazon show.

528
00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:32.319
Oh oh, the one where they hunt Nazis.

529
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.720
Yeah, and then The Girl from Plainville in twenty twenty two.

530
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:37.440
Man, what a career.

531
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:39.960
Yeah, Frederick Elms, we salute you on this show because

532
00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:41.960
what a fucking resume that is.

533
00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:43.559
That's nuts. Yeah.

534
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:45.960
So, moving down to our IMDb synopsis, it says in

535
00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:49.480
suburban New Canaan, Connecticut, nineteen seventy three, middle class families

536
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:52.359
experimenting with casual sex and substance abuse find their lives

537
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:53.519
beyond their control.

538
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:56.599
That's a pretty solid one my synopsis.

539
00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:59.720
Oh, during Thanksgiving weekend in nineteen seventy three, two suburban

540
00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:02.039
family find their lives going to chaos when their actions

541
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:05.240
all culminate with consequences following an intense ice storm one night.

542
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.160
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, they're both They're both good. That's

543
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.119
a wash, fair enough, not bad, not bad.

544
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:14.279
Moving on down to our cast, we have Kevin Klein,

545
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:16.279
who plays Ben Hood in the film. He gets a

546
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:18.519
start in nineteen fifty one with Search for Tomorrow, The

547
00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:20.920
Time of Your Life in seventy six, Pirates of Penzan's

548
00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:24.440
in eighty, Sophie's Choice in eighty two, The Pirates Panzans

549
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:27.240
in eighty three, Big Chill in eighty three, Silverado in

550
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:29.599
eighty five, A Fish called Wanda in eighty eight, The

551
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.079
January Man in eighty nine, I Love You to Death,

552
00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:35.759
Soap Dish, Grand Canyon, Consenting Adults Chaplain in ninety two,

553
00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:39.359
Dave in ninety three, The Nutcracker, French Kiss, The Hunchback

554
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:42.240
of Notre Dame, Fierce Creatures, Ice Storm in ninety seven,

555
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:45.839
In and Out, Wild Wild West, Oh Well, of course,

556
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:50.359
Road to Alvarado, Orange County, Hunchback two, The Emperor's Club

557
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:52.559
in two thousand and two, De Lovely in two thousand

558
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:55.519
and four, Chimney Glick and La La Land in two

559
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:56.160
thousand and four.

560
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:58.160
Well, I mean, how could he not be in that The.

561
00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:01.759
Pink Panther remake Prairie Home can Pan. Definitely maybe the conspirator.

562
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:03.920
No strings attached. Bob's Burgers, of course, because he's the

563
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.039
voice of mister Fishoder Las Vegas in twenty thirteen, Ricky

564
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:08.480
in The Flash twenty fifteen.

565
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:10.759
I do like Ricky in The Flash, Beauty and the Beast.

566
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:13.079
Remake twenty seventeen. Here today the Bob's Burgers movies, and

567
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:15.279
most recently, Disclaimer in twenty twenty.

568
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.680
Four, Yeah, he's still working.

569
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:17.440
Oh, he's still working.

570
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:17.720
Yeah.

571
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.000
Moving on down to our list. Joan Allen, who plays

572
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:21.640
a Lena Hood in the film She Gets Her Start

573
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:24.079
in seventy eight On a Wedding, follows that up with

574
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.359
Compromising Positions in eighty five, Evergreen in eighty five, Manhunter,

575
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:30.079
and eighty six Peggy Seu Got married American Playhouse, The

576
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:32.319
Twilight Zone in eighty seven, Tucker The Man in His

577
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:35.319
Dream in eighty eight, In Country in eighty nine, Searching

578
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:38.799
for Bobby Fisher in ninety three, Mad Love Nixon, Frasier,

579
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.559
The Crucible, Ice Storm in ninety seven, same year as

580
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.200
Face Off. Oh my God, sheuster Bolt his wife in

581
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.240
the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pleasantville in ninety eight, The Contender,

582
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:50.640
The Notebook, The Born Supremacy in two thousand and four,

583
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:53.599
Upside of Anger, Born Ultimatum, Death Race in two thousand

584
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:55.519
and eight. Because she's the bad assets running in the prison.

585
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:57.599
Shit that is here, isn't it?

586
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:01.839
Elder scrolls Skyrim in eleven, Luck in twenty twelve, the

587
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.720
HBO series that was canceled because they killed too many horses.

588
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:06.839
Oh I didn't remember that.

589
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.960
That's a that's a fact. Unfortunately. Wow, Born Legacy in

590
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:13.119
twenty twelve, The Killing twenty fourteen, Room twenty fifteen, The

591
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:15.920
Family twenty sixteen, and Lizy Story A Lizzy Story in

592
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:16.720
twenty twenty one.

593
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.519
Damn Yeah, So both of them are still working absolutely.

594
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:23.319
Sigourney Weaver also in the film, playing Janny Carter ninety

595
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:25.240
nine credits on her resume, which is no surprise.

596
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:27.960
I'm not surprised because I often think of her as

597
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:31.079
I often think of Sigourney Weaver as you know, being

598
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:34.960
in several big, quintessential movies. Yeah, and then I forget that,

599
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:37.079
like she was in everything in the nineties, She's.

600
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:38.680
Been popping up a lot in two thousands as well,

601
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.720
So she should start in Somerset in nineteen seventy, Annie

602
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.839
Hall mad Man in seventy eight, Alien seventy nine, I

603
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.359
Witnessed the Year Living Dangerously, Deal of the Century, Ghostbusters

604
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.359
in eighty four, Aliens eighty six, Gorilla's in the Missed

605
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.440
eighty eight, Working Girl eighty eight, Ghostbusters two and eighty nine,

606
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:58.160
Alien three ninety two, Dave Death and the Maiden Copycats,

607
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.279
No White to Tale, A Terror in ninety seven, Ice

608
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.960
Storm the same year, Alien Resurrection the same year, Galaxy

609
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:06.480
Quest in ninety nine, Heartbreakers two thousand and one, Tadpole,

610
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:07.720
I forgot she was in two.

611
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:08.000
Thousand and two.

612
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.440
She's one of the main characters Holes in two thousand

613
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.160
and three The Village the TV set Planet Earth, be

614
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:16.519
kind Rewind, which I would like to take a second

615
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.839
and say, if you have not seen be kind Rewind

616
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:20.839
and you're a movie fan, that movie is so good

617
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.160
with Jack Black and mos.

618
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:22.920
Deaf, you've never seen it.

619
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:24.960
Seriously, Oh dude, I need to show that to you.

620
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:26.400
I'm just saying.

621
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.440
Vantage Point two thousand and eight, Wally two thousand and eight,

622
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.519
Avatar two thousand and nine, You Again twenty ten, Paul

623
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:36.240
twenty eleven, The Alien Alien Movie, She's the villain. Rampart

624
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:37.079
twenty eleven.

625
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.680
Well, if we could please keep the conversation going toward Rampart.

626
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:43.480
Please Cabin in the Woods twenty eleven, of course, Vamps

627
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:47.440
twenty twelve, Chappye twenty fifteen. I don't remember her in Chappy,

628
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:48.400
but apparently she's in it.

629
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:51.440
I don't remember much about Chappie to be able to.

630
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:53.079
Honestly be a voice in the movie too. Now I

631
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:53.559
think about it.

632
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:54.480
Yeah, that's possible.

633
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:59.200
Ghostbusters answer The Call in twenty sixteen. Oh yes, yes,

634
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.799
The Defense in twenty seventeen, The Good House, Ghostbusters, After

635
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:04.720
Life in twenty twenty one, and then Avatar The Way

636
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:05.759
of Water in twenty twenty.

637
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:07.839
Two, which I still have not seen. Man. I liked it.

638
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:09.079
I heard it was good. I just haven't had a

639
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:11.039
chance to I mean, I haven't had the hours to

640
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:11.759
check it out yet.

641
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:17.880
This guy, Do You Even? Movie will be right back,

642
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:30.000
welcome back to Do You Even movie?

643
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:34.400
As we do rebebbarkassa. Do you want to throw out

644
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.920
a couple more names? We got Christina Ricci, Tobey Maguire,

645
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.720
Elijah Wood, We've got Adam han Bird, David Crumholtz, Alice

646
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:43.920
and Janny Michael Crumsey. There's a lot of names in

647
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:44.319
this movie.

648
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:48.200
Yeah, it's kind of a who's who of the mid nineties. Yeah.

649
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.079
Ice Storm is currently available on Cinemax Max and also

650
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:52.799
you can get it wherever you buy your videos or

651
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.359
rent them if you are a physical media collector. The

652
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.079
Criterion disc is absolutely worth it for the transfer as

653
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.319
well as special features. And I believe it is the

654
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:01.920
only Blu ray available.

655
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:04.640
Correct, And yeah, it's a very nice Blu ray. Which

656
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:06.599
is surprising because you know, you always hear Criterion just

657
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:08.640
kind of slaps things together. I've always I've always heard

658
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.880
they were them described as the French Mill Creek. Is that?

659
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:14.079
Is that a fact? Now? I just made that up.

660
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:17.240
So would you like to get into our first time

661
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.759
watching it? And I say hour because we watched this

662
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:21.119
for the first time together.

663
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:25.000
Well, sure, but I want to preface by saying that

664
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.440
we're not friends. No, No, I want to preface it

665
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:31.680
by saying the way we discovered the ice storm? Yes,

666
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.160
is that Dave and I. One of the things that

667
00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:38.640
has gotten you and I has made us very tight

668
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:42.759
is that we love festive film.

669
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:44.920
Impromptu marathons of festive films.

670
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:47.599
Well, that we would both be like, fuck, yeah, let's

671
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.440
watch every movie on Halloween. Yeah, hell yeah, let's watch

672
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:54.279
every Christmas movie we can find. And Thanksgiving we would

673
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:58.119
watch Dutch and Plainstrings and Automobiles, the War at Home.

674
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.519
There were a couple other ones, but we would we

675
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:04.000
would hope for the holidays. We had a few. Yeah,

676
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:05.559
home for the holidays. That's another really great one.

677
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:06.119
Yeah.

678
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:07.759
So we had a few that we we had as

679
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.720
like standbys. Yeah, but we would always be remissed about

680
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:13.440
how like, man, they aren't a lot, they just aren't

681
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:17.160
a lot. Yeah, And then in twenty twenty, we just

682
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:20.720
found this list, a bunch that had a crazy amount

683
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:24.319
of them. Yeah, and of that crazy amount, several of

684
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.480
them were really good, really good, and we went into

685
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:31.519
almost all of them with no clue. And Ice Storm

686
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:33.240
was one of those. Yes, it was that we just

687
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:35.519
put it on and as it started, we were like, oh,

688
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.640
this is some high fallutin stuff, and so I just

689
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.000
wanted to I just wanted to preface by saying that

690
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:45.359
this was in our hunt yeah for Thanksgiving fodder. Oh

691
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:46.000
yeah it was.

692
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.480
It was one of the situations where we had exhausted

693
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.880
the list, so we just went to IMDb, Google and

694
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:54.000
just like started looking for any of the things.

695
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:56.720
I swear there was some list on some website found

696
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:57.720
this one specifically.

697
00:32:57.759 --> 00:32:59.279
Yeah, yeah, I know that for a fact. But like

698
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:00.799
that's how we found like House of Yes and a

699
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:01.519
bunch of other ones.

700
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:02.799
Oh god, the House of Yes.

701
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:06.680
So but yeah, it was one of our marathons. I

702
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:08.720
think this was one we kicked off with, if I'm

703
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:09.839
not mistaken.

704
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:14.119
Maybe, I mean we we did these crazy like nine

705
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:18.359
movie pre Thanksgiving days, so who knows when it was.

706
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:18.799
Who knows.

707
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:20.720
I mean I literally had taken off work. I mean

708
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:22.240
I did it for a while and everything. But yeah,

709
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.279
this was one that we just put it on and

710
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.480
simply we're just amazed by how good it was.

711
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:28.920
Yeah, it's a phenomenal film.

712
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:33.319
Yeah, and well, you know, just the overall developing of

713
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.880
the characters, the story, and honestly, it also happens in

714
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.319
like I believe, like seventy two hours in a sense, I.

715
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:40.839
Think it's forty eight forty eight Okay, I'm pretty sure. Yeah,

716
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:42.480
it's like the day it starts in the night or

717
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.279
the day before Thanksgiving and just kind of goes to Yeah,

718
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:46.839
so maybe seventy two hours.

719
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:48.839
Yeah. So and also we like that it happened one night,

720
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.640
and I mean this isn't necessarily that but short time period.

721
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:53.759
Yeah, I find that they create urgency.

722
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:56.119
Yeah, absolutely so. I mean this was one that we

723
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:58.400
loved when it was when it was over, and I

724
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.240
mean I think we have not missed a single year

725
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:01.240
of it since twenty twenty.

726
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:03.279
We might have skipped it one year because we have

727
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:04.640
a lot of them that we go through.

728
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:06.640
I think this is one we kept in the rotation, though,

729
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:07.160
I think.

730
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.320
It wouldn't shock me because while it's a sadder one,

731
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:11.880
it's not The War at Home, No, which I love

732
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:14.880
that movie immensely. I think The War at Home is

733
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:18.719
one of the finest feature films ever made. Absolutely, but uh,

734
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:23.000
I mean, it is not a fun ride through Thanksgiving.

735
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:24.920
I don't believe we've ever lined up The War at

736
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.320
Home and Ice Storm next to each other. No, we've

737
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:29.360
joked about doing it, joked about doing it.

738
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.159
Yeah, we've joked about a lot about lining them up

739
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:32.679
back to back.

740
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:32.960
Yeah.

741
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:35.639
So you ready to get into it? Hell? Sure?

742
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.559
All right, So we open with a beautiful score by

743
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.639
Michael Dana And I point out the score because it's

744
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:43.280
a very original score in this film. It's not tied

745
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.800
to the period by any means. It's just soft melodic.

746
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:47.400
Uh.

747
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:49.400
I don't even know how to put it, honestly.

748
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:54.119
Well, it's a very simple melodic score, mostly single instruments. Yeah,

749
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.880
and yeah, they don't play up the seventies element at

750
00:34:57.920 --> 00:34:59.199
all in the score.

751
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:01.800
No, because we have a bunch of seventy songs in it.

752
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.519
Because that's one thing that I did find out in

753
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:05.880
doing research on the book. Apparently the book had a

754
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.320
bunch of nods to seventy songs because it takes place

755
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:10.679
in seventy three. Yeah, it makes music and everything. But

756
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:13.239
we see the ice over surroundings, and we also meet

757
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:15.880
Paul Hood, who is played by Toby maguire. He's sitting

758
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:17.599
on a train in the dark, reading a comic book

759
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:19.760
as best he can. The train comes back to life

760
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:21.239
and we hear the guy come out and say the

761
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.800
next stop is New Canaan, Connecticut.

762
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.519
Connecticut, Connecticut, Connecticut, and.

763
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:28.280
We see Paul get off the train, and that's when

764
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:29.960
we realized that we were ahead of time, and we

765
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:31.000
go back a few days.

766
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:35.800
I mean, you know, yeah, just just real quick. I

767
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.800
love that he says Connecticut connected because I've spent a

768
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:40.519
lot of time in Connecticut when I was a kid.

769
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.280
My grandparents lived there, and nobody ever said Connecticut.

770
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:47.440
So we joined Paul at his school in English class,

771
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:49.679
and he is crushing on Libbits, who is played by

772
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.119
a very young and film debut o Katie Holmes.

773
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:53.679
Yes, and uh.

774
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:56.199
He follows her after class because he realizes that she's

775
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:58.679
reading is a dust goes Dust. I can't say it,

776
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:02.719
go on, no, you say it. I'm not even attempting.

777
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:07.000
Keep come on, no Dave, no, Dave no, Dave, Dave.

778
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:11.360
I no, no that guy.

779
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.239
Uh now, you're making me forget how to say it?

780
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:16.039
Do you have it written down now?

781
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:15.480
You?

782
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.599
Uh? Uh man? Now I can't think of how to

783
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:27.480
say his name God as he Spanish. Now. So anyway, she's.

784
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.079
Reading one of his books and he recommends to her

785
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.960
the idiot and he's just a nerd. During the scene,

786
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:35.719
he's kind of overcome with a crush on her. Yeah,

787
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.320
just a bit, and he even repeats it to her

788
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:39.800
and we kind of see that Libbits isn't really interested,

789
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:42.119
and she kind of excused herself. So that's when he's

790
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.079
walking with another one of his friends and he confesses

791
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:45.960
that he's in love with her. And that's when the

792
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:48.679
friend mentions that her parents usually go to Switzerland during

793
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:50.679
the Thanksgiving holiday and they leave her at home and

794
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:52.159
that's exactly what they're doing this year.

795
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.360
Well, she's kind of a loser, yeah, you know, I mean,

796
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:57.039
they sent her away to boarding school.

797
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:01.039
So he's also concerned though, because his mate Francis will

798
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:02.719
probably pursue her. And she's like, well, you know, you

799
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.239
haven't told him yet, and he is quiet, meaning that

800
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:06.440
he absolutely.

801
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:09.800
Has Yeah, and apparently he's went after every girl that

802
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:10.960
he's ever been interested in.

803
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:13.519
Yeah, And that's when we cut to him and his

804
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.920
roommates in the room. His roommate is played by David Cromholtz,

805
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.159
who many will know as Bernard from the Santa Claus

806
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.400
and they are smoking a bong and listening to Dirty

807
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:23.400
Love by Frank Zappa.

808
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.199
They sure are what a bunch of edge lords.

809
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.679
And they're also comparing sexual conquest and Francis basically says that,

810
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:31.880
you know, he's got no competition to Paul, and that's

811
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:32.719
why he's jealous.

812
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:34.079
Yeah.

813
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:35.800
So Paul gets to notice that he's got a call.

814
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:37.719
He goes out to the hallway where the payphone is,

815
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.039
and that's when we meet Ben Hood, who is played

816
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.000
by Kevin Klein, who's you know, inviting him back for Thanksgiving,

817
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:44.440
and he's like, you know, your your mom and I

818
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.119
are excited to wait on your hand and foot while

819
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:48.400
you make anger groans and watch TV joking with him

820
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:49.760
being a family man kind of thing.

821
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:51.719
Yeah, he's just kind of joking about, like we're looking

822
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.400
forward to having you here so you can ignore us

823
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:54.679
and grunt for more food.

824
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:57.480
So Wendy, his sister's played by Christina Ritchie, is asked

825
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:59.239
to say hi. She gets on the phone and she's

826
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.119
watching the water Gate scandal unfold.

827
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.679
Yeah, and she's really into it. Yeah yeah, yeah, annoying.

828
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.599
She wants to kill Nixon basically, no.

829
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:09.920
Not basically, she says someone should shoot him.

830
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:11.599
And that's when Kevin Clein's like, can we cut it

831
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:13.239
with the political assassination talk?

832
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:15.800
Yeah? I like that. That's what he leads with too.

833
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:18.800
Can we cut it with the assassination talk? Yeah.

834
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:21.280
So we also meet Elena Wood, who is played by

835
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.760
Joe Allen, and Ben and Elena leave Wendy at home

836
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:25.360
because they're going to go over to their neighbor, the

837
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:27.639
Carver's house, and they're having a little dinner party. So

838
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:31.159
Ben and Elena's neighbors, which are played by Sigourney Weaver

839
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:33.960
as well as Jamie Sheridan, and that's when we see

840
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.599
also Mikey and Sandy, who is played by Elijah Wood

841
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:40.920
and what is it's Ben Adam hand Bird who many

842
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.360
will know Adam han Bird as young Robin Williams in Jumunji.

843
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:50.239
Oh yeah, Alan Parrish, I remember the name. Yeah, sorry,

844
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.320
they've got really excited. Now I'm scared.

845
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.559
Guys and the kids are helping out with dinner. But

846
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.320
we also see that Mikey is sneaking drinks when they

847
00:38:58.320 --> 00:38:58.920
when they take.

848
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.760
The drinks back, yeah, yeah, when they're busting the table,

849
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:04.440
they're just drinking what's left of everybody's wine. He like

850
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.440
downs a wineglass and then Elijah Wood's character does and

851
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:11.159
then like downs like an unfinished high ball right after

852
00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:11.920
Good for him.

853
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:14.480
And there's also a brief discussion at dinner that the

854
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.760
couples have went and seen Deep Throat recently. And we

855
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:20.719
also hear discussion of the idea of a key party yes,

856
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.960
which may come play later in the film. Who knows

857
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:25.239
may come play may come to play later in the

858
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:26.039
I don't even know.

859
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.519
It's okay, Davy. So Elena and.

860
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:30.480
Ben return home to find Wendy on the phone. She's

861
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.000
trying to hide that she's talking to somebody, and I

862
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:33.800
love it because Kevin Klein goes to the door and

863
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:35.320
just yanks the cord back.

864
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.440
That's pretty damn funny. Ben tells her to get to bed.

865
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:41.360
He goes in and kisses her good night, and that's

866
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:43.159
when he goes into the room and tries to make

867
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:45.000
a move with Lana, but she just kind of rolls

868
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:46.559
over and they decide to go to sleep.

869
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:48.920
Yay, I mean everybody likes to go to sleep.

870
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:50.960
So the next day, Alanna goes to a book sale

871
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.480
that is at a church, but this isn't an interesting

872
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.239
book sale because there's a bunch of sexual revolution books

873
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.039
on the table, a bunch of feminism books, and she's

874
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.519
kind of she's kind of aloof by it. It looks like

875
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:02.159
a little bit.

876
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.840
She's taken aback. Yeah, not sure how she feels.

877
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.760
And we also meet Philip Edwards pastor Philip Edwards, and

878
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:11.880
they start striking up a conversation. At school, Wendy is

879
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:14.280
watching boys play football on recess and enjoying us smoke

880
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:15.079
with her friends too.

881
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:18.519
Yeah yeah, real chill, real chill. Well, and that's when

882
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:22.400
we start to realize that there's a lot more going on. Yeah, absolutely,

883
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.440
Which is kind of the point of this film is

884
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:29.519
that they seem like an apologies for the sucking lozenge.

885
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.320
I can't help at this point. It hurts to talk

886
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:39.079
and not like you, not like dota, but I'm never

887
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:42.880
gonna let that one go. Yeah that's fair. But the

888
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.960
whole point is that they seem they're all very affluent people.

889
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:51.440
They seem to have a decent family dynamic. But now

890
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.599
as we see her at school, she's sitting there smoking

891
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:57.280
a bike with her friends and looking at boys. And

892
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.280
that's when you're starting to realize that, you know, there's

893
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:01.559
a lot going on in this neighborhood.

894
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:03.280
Well, we also get more of a sense that Mikey

895
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.119
may have some issues with him because he's tossed a football,

896
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:08.079
it goes over his head. He's still looking for it

897
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:10.320
and it lands right beside him, and the friends rag

898
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:11.000
on him a bit too.

899
00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:14.760
Yeah, he's going places, not college, but places.

900
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.079
So Wendy ends up leaving and riding her bike. She

901
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:19.639
actually rides past Elena and Philip that are still talking

902
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:21.920
out front of the church. And that's when she goes

903
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:25.039
to a pharmacy and she steals a devil dog mmm,

904
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:27.840
devil dogs, and a woman does catch her but really

905
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:28.599
does nothing.

906
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.679
Well yeah, you know, I mean, it's like stealing bread

907
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.920
to feed your family in the Bible, right, So devil

908
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:36.719
dogs Drake's devil dogs delicious.

909
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:38.679
She also runs into Sandy, who tells her Mikey is

910
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:40.159
looking for her and the two meet up in an

911
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:42.719
abandoned swimming pool and they practice kissing. And I really

912
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:46.760
like this scene because it's not romantic innocence. It's literally

913
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.119
two kids that are curious. And then also we have

914
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:51.480
that beautiful crane shot that lifts above them as they kiss.

915
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:53.920
It would be weird if you were like very romantic,

916
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:58.000
very hot. Yeah yeah, yeah, but no, no, it's this

917
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:02.519
very innocent kind of scene. Yeah, but it also kind

918
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:04.519
of warns you ahead that this is gonna be one

919
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:08.840
of those movies kind of uncomfortable coming of age type deals,

920
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:10.599
which there were a lot of those in the nineties.

921
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:15.960
Oh yeah, in particular. Yeah, absolutely, Do You Even?

922
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:27.199
Movie will be right back, Welcome back to Do You Even?

923
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:29.119
Movie?

924
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:36.079
So that is when we cut back over to Jane's house,

925
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.280
where we find her in bed with Ben as we

926
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:40.400
find out that Ben and Janey are having an affair.

927
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:42.679
What crazy.

928
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:45.719
So they finish and Ben is sitting on the bed

929
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:47.599
with her as she's smoking a cigarette, and he starts

930
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.079
bitching about work, but Janie's not interested. She says, Ben,

931
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.159
I already have one husband. I'm not looking for another.

932
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:52.920
You're boring me.

933
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:56.159
Yeah, pretty pretty brutal, and I love it. She's cold

934
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:57.159
blooded No, I love it.

935
00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:58.800
Because Ben's like he's like, no, Da, you're right, yeah,

936
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:02.440
just strictly sex, you know this, yes, So that's when

937
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:05.519
we see that. Also Ben reminds himself that it is

938
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:07.599
just sex, nothing else. Jane tells him you better get

939
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:09.159
out of here, and we see him leave as he's

940
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:10.920
walking back through the woods to his house. So that's

941
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:13.159
when we also established that they necessarily don't have to

942
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:17.280
drive over they can they're in walking. Yeah, our friends

943
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:21.719
and neighbors. So Elena's back home making dinner when Wendy returns,

944
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:23.760
and that's when Elena kind of has a moment with

945
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:25.920
her in comments on how she looks so free riding

946
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:28.239
her bike and like how freeing it was for her

947
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.880
as a girl. And that's when Elene or Wendy's like, mom,

948
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:33.119
are you feeling okay? Like is things okay?

949
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:37.719
Yeah? She starts reminiscing, and a very aggressive is what

950
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:41.239
I'll say a way she's she's like reminiscing hard, hard.

951
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:44.199
So Wendy requests money for a band uniform and her

952
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:46.239
mother is unaware that she's still in band, and she's like,

953
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:47.800
you know, I didn't know you still play, and she's like, well,

954
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:49.559
after dinner, would you play some And that's when we

955
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:52.159
see that she's playing the trombone in front of her

956
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.119
parents and not doing great.

957
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:58.559
Not not no, no, Well, I mean, for the record,

958
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:00.519
I mean, how often do you listen somebody played the

959
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.639
trumpa trombone by themselves. I mean, she's in high school.

960
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:05.880
You're actually kind of a dick saying that she's Bad's

961
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:06.480
the high school.

962
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:14.440
Kevin Klein's making a drink. What he's making a drink

963
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:15.519
as I don't know, oh.

964
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.360
To tolerate his terrible daughters playing.

965
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:21.000
That's what I Yes, clearly you've.

966
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:25.239
Never dated a tromboner, have not? I did? Actually I dated.

967
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:27.320
I dated a woman who played the trombone. She was

968
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.960
also a stripper. It was she was a decent player,

969
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:33.199
everything else not a good person.

970
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:34.920
Did she strip and do the trumpbone at the same time?

971
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:39.880
One time? Yes? One time? Oh you did get you?

972
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:43.400
Come on? OK? But girl, a girl tells you I

973
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:45.840
played the trombone, and your first thought isn't like, well,

974
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:46.880
can you play it naked?

975
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:49.760
I mean that's fair. So Elena cuts a check at

976
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:51.480
the table as Ben tells her he's going to bed

977
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:53.920
and that's what Elena comments on, is that a new aftershave,

978
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.000
And knowing that he's kind of been found out, he's like, oh, yeah, yeah,

979
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.840
it's a it's musk, And we see that Elena is

980
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:04.199
really kind of aware that that's not what's happening. So

981
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:06.480
over at the Carver residence, Sandy requests help with this

982
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.719
homework from Mikey, and we also find out that Jim,

983
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.440
their father, returns home telling them he's back, and neither

984
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:12.519
boys knew he was gone.

985
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:14.760
Yeah, they had no clue. Oh you were back.

986
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:17.719
He's like, yeah, I was in uh he says Austin, or.

987
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:20.920
It's somewhere like somewhere like that. Yeah, he was in Texas. Yeah.

988
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:22.760
And that's when we see him walk into the bedroom

989
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.000
where Janey lays on the bed reading a book and

990
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:27.719
she's disturbed because they have a waterbed, and he abruptly

991
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:28.719
sits down on it.

992
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:33.440
Well, I mean, you welcomed that hell into your home. Yeah,

993
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.280
that's fair. Don't be mad at your unless he insisted

994
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:36.599
on it.

995
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.559
I'm super curious if those are still available.

996
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.320
You could buy a water bed can. Yeah they're still

997
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:41.880
awful too.

998
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:43.760
Yeah, Well, I remember you and I had a long

999
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:45.519
conversation about that after licorice pizza.

1000
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.760
Oh yeah, yeah, not after eating licorice pizza, after the film,

1001
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.880
after watching attempting to watch the film, I like to

1002
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:54.599
say attempting because there's much of a story to tell.

1003
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:55.000
There's not.

1004
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:58.559
But uh No, I had a waterbed when I moved

1005
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.199
to Jersey. I was staying in a boarding house and

1006
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.000
the guy when I was setting up the whole thing

1007
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:04.960
was like, it was like, I have a bed, and

1008
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:06.440
I was like, I don't want it. I was actually

1009
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:07.800
I'd slept on the floor for years at that point,

1010
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:08.719
so I want to sleep on the floor.

1011
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:08.960
Yeah.

1012
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:11.760
I get there and the goddamn bed is set up

1013
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:14.000
in the middle of the fucking room. But it gets better.

1014
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:17.280
So this was a waterbed, as in a water mattress.

1015
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.440
It actually fit on kind of a standard looking bed frame.

1016
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:29.039
It didn't have a working heater. Oh god. In So

1017
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:34.000
I moved to Jersey in July. Yeah, I moved in July.

1018
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.920
It was okay during the summer months that the bed

1019
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:45.639
was cold, but as we headed into November it was

1020
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:51.000
very unpleasant. I remember waking up in that fucking awful

1021
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:54.960
bed and being so cold. I would microwave up one

1022
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:59.400
of those drinkable campbell soups and just hold it to

1023
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:01.800
warm up in the morning. I was like, I it's

1024
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:05.480
so cold. I hate everything. The guy who owned the place,

1025
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:09.280
he was this, He was this burnout biker who just

1026
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:12.280
had this house, and he was constantly complaining that, like, man,

1027
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:14.760
I gotta do something about this. I'm not to sell

1028
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:16.639
this place or something. I don't know. I don't know.

1029
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:20.840
And the joke that me and some of the other

1030
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:23.199
tenants would make, because when we were alone together, it

1031
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:25.239
would be like, you know, oh yeah, man, I don't know,

1032
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:27.039
we gotta sell this place. I mean it's either that

1033
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.760
or like, I like work, good job of some sort

1034
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:33.480
instead of just like hanging out smoking weed. That was

1035
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:36.039
our joke. Yeah, yeah, he was. He was kind of

1036
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:39.000
a prick. But man, so whenever I think of waterbeds,

1037
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:41.800
I don't think of the hilarious and wholesome memories as

1038
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:45.000
a child ending up on a waterbed at a relative's house.

1039
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:48.119
Yeah No, I think about that goddamn freezing cold waterbed

1040
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:51.440
that I was forced to lay in because uh, you know,

1041
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.280
somebody had told me once they were like, why didn't

1042
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:56.239
you just like take the mattress off and I was like,

1043
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:59.519
do you know heavy water is? Yeah, it was probably like.

1044
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:01.599
Four hundred needed Freddy to burst through it.

1045
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:03.480
I would have that would have at least that I

1046
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:04.480
would have had some company.

1047
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.440
He's like, Oh, it's fucking cold in here fort this.

1048
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:10.679
How's this for a God? Damn, it's cold.

1049
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:14.960
I was gonna quip an ah and this is Jersey pass.

1050
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.480
So he questions if something is wrong with Mikey, and

1051
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:19.559
she comments that he's always been off since he was born.

1052
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:21.960
The next day, in school, Mikey reads an original poem

1053
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:25.480
about molecules to his class, and how would you describe

1054
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:26.519
this poem? Exactly?

1055
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:28.199
Obsessive compulsive disorder?

1056
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:29.599
Yeah, just a bit?

1057
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.159
Was that? Are you sure as a poem? I mean

1058
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:34.320
it sounded like he was reading a report.

1059
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:35.199
It might have been a report.

1060
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.079
Yeah, what made you think it was a poem? Isn't rhyme?

1061
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:42.639
I don't know he was. He was reading aloud something

1062
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:46.559
to the class basically about how when you smell something,

1063
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:50.559
you're basically eating eating because it's particles that came off

1064
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:53.199
of the thing going into your body. And if that

1065
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:56.159
isn't germophobic and creepy enough, then he says, so next

1066
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:58.760
time you go into the bathroom after somebody. Yeah, and

1067
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.719
everybody's just a comfortable And all I could think was like, ah,

1068
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:04.679
he's got jarzy urine in his closet.

1069
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.599
So we see Wendy also at her band class and

1070
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.119
Sandy behind her is playing the triangle and he's admiring

1071
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:11.639
her bare back that's exposed.

1072
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:16.239
Yeah. Well, I mean I spent many a day in

1073
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.000
school staring at the back of the chair of a girl.

1074
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.320
What was I supposed to listen to? The teacher? Fuck off?

1075
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.320
Fair enough? I mean, that's like I think every boy

1076
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:25.719
does that.

1077
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.039
So we also see Elena takes the bike out of

1078
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:29.920
the garage at the house and she starts riding it

1079
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.519
through town, and she stops off the local pharmacy as well,

1080
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:35.239
admiring a tube of lipstick that she pockets along with

1081
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.119
three others, unaware that she is right in the mirror

1082
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:39.039
where they can see.

1083
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:41.679
Which is hilarious because she's not being sneaky, she's just

1084
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:44.480
filling her pockets. And she's getting greedy too. She got

1085
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.039
the one in there and then gets like three or

1086
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:50.000
four more. Yeah, but yeah, like it's it's so obvious

1087
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:50.760
what she's doing.

1088
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:52.800
Did you hear what the pharmacist said when he walks

1089
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:53.360
out to get her.

1090
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:55.960
Oh, he says, you've forgotten that you forgot.

1091
00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:57.360
To And then when they walk back in, I get

1092
00:49:57.400 --> 00:49:59.719
hear it a little bit. She's like trying to argue

1093
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.280
that she didn't forget to pay, like they I don't know.

1094
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.440
What you mean. Yeah, yeah, well they're no, they're not

1095
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:06.159
trying to help her. I mean, did did you ever

1096
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:08.480
have to deal with a theft person when you worked

1097
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:09.400
at the fy?

1098
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:11.039
I mean I got a knife pulled on me once,

1099
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:12.400
and I had.

1100
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:13.400
But that wasn't in the store.

1101
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:15.159
No, No, that was outside the store.

1102
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:16.760
I mean that still sucks.

1103
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.880
I'm just I caught people, but I mean, yeah, people

1104
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:20.840
always deny it obviously.

1105
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:23.559
Well, but I mean you were were you a supervisor

1106
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:25.880
at one point? Okay, so you actually could stop them,

1107
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:29.000
but you were aware. You can't detain them. All you

1108
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:32.719
can do is try to make them think they're detained

1109
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:34.360
long enough for security to come.

1110
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:36.280
Yeah, because well you guys used to do it at Spencer's Right.

1111
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.679
One of the things I loved, and I really mean

1112
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:44.199
this about working at Spencer's Gifts is Spencer's prosecutes all

1113
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.079
shoplifters or at least they did when I was working

1114
00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:52.480
there fourteen fifteen years ago. Yeah, do you even movie?

1115
00:50:52.559 --> 00:51:05.119
Will be right back, welcome back to do you even movie?

1116
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:11.960
I mean, you try to sneak out with a spike bracelet,

1117
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.360
you're going to court? Yeah, oh you're sixteen, you're going

1118
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:15.719
to court.

1119
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:17.639
Well, it was like you had that one you like

1120
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:19.800
you had kids or the kids or whoever. It was

1121
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:21.559
like basically be like, hey, you know, I forgot this,

1122
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:22.920
and they would hand it over and you'd be like, yeah,

1123
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:24.599
I come with us now, because like they just fully

1124
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:26.159
admitted basically doing it back.

1125
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:28.239
Well, yeah, what happened is we would be like, excuse me,

1126
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.199
excuse me, did you forget to pay for something? And

1127
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:32.840
then when they go like when they would kind of

1128
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.400
go like uh, and they'd come with us. Literally what

1129
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:37.119
we were trying to do is get them somewhere to

1130
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.440
talk to them long enough for security or the police

1131
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:40.639
to come and arrest them.

1132
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:42.159
Yeah, because then you had those one kids that were like,

1133
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:42.920
well he was our rise.

1134
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:44.840
Oh that was the funniest I think I've told that

1135
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:48.400
story before, But yeah, no, this kid stole some stuff

1136
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:52.440
and we caught him. His friends didn't steal anything. We

1137
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.159
caught him and his friends, you know, obviously exited. He

1138
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:59.360
came with us. Then security came and and and and

1139
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.199
tained him waiting for the police. I go up to

1140
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:04.000
the front because it's a slow time, and I start

1141
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:07.360
folding T shirts and these kids come up like it

1142
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.519
was like vampires, like they couldn't cross the barrier and

1143
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.199
this excuse me. And I'm like yeah, and they're like

1144
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:16.159
how long is this going to take? And I was like,

1145
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:18.280
I don't know, as long as it takes for the

1146
00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:20.920
police to get here. And they're like police and I

1147
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:24.880
was like, yeah, he stole something. That's that's crime. So

1148
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:27.559
he's going to be arrested. And they were like, oh man,

1149
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:32.599
I mean he's our ride. And I was like, I mean,

1150
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:35.079
good luck. I mean, you know, make better friends. I

1151
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.280
don't know, but I that was one of the funniest

1152
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.159
Oh my gosh, because what we would do is if

1153
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:41.440
we saw I mean I was an associate, so if

1154
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:43.920
we saw somebody take something or we thought they were

1155
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:46.719
trying to Because you got to remember, we had a

1156
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:49.000
lot of small ticket items that are easy to steal,

1157
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:51.719
and on top of that, we had sex toys, and

1158
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:54.039
people like to steal sex toys, not just not just

1159
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:55.800
because of money, but also because they don't want the

1160
00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:59.639
embarrassment to buy them. So if I noticed, I would

1161
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:02.800
go over. The rule was a supervisor had to see

1162
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.639
them take it, So if I saw them take it,

1163
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:08.960
all I could do was tell the superse hate that person.

1164
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:10.920
I think I saw them take something, And then they

1165
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:13.360
would follow them and see if they took something else,

1166
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.119
or if they were feeling really brave, they might just

1167
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:19.360
say like, excuse me, and usually you could tell by

1168
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:22.000
their faces that they were caught the moment you said

1169
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.039
excuse me, you know, could you come back in here

1170
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:24.480
for a second.

1171
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:24.960
Yeah.

1172
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:27.920
So, and there were kids that would steal stuff and

1173
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.400
they knew so like when we excuse me to talk

1174
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.920
to you, they would just walk right out, knowing that

1175
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:34.639
we can't chase half of them, but we would be

1176
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:37.280
calling security and giving a description of them and everything.

1177
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:42.079
So anyway, I digress, But I loved that we busted

1178
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:46.840
those kids. That was the best, h good time. But anyway,

1179
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:48.039
this bitch stole someonstick.

1180
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:50.119
So she gets stopped and Paul has a voice over

1181
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:52.719
reading about the Fantastic Four, and he basically says something

1182
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:55.559
along the lines that the negative side will always tempt people.

1183
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:58.119
Wait, the doorg who ruined his chances with the girl

1184
00:53:58.159 --> 00:53:59.800
reads comic books? Crazy? Right?

1185
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:02.239
Not even Spiderman comics poser?

1186
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:05.320
Well, I mean it was Marvel, right. Yeah.

1187
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:07.280
So we see Jane pull up to her home as

1188
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:09.039
a loud boom goes off, and that's when she goes

1189
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:11.440
in the backyard because we see that Sandy is just

1190
00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:14.599
hitting his toys of fireworks firecrackers and blown them up.

1191
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.760
Not just I mean toys. He blows up a stereo

1192
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:21.920
without like a transistor radio. He puts a firecracker in

1193
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:28.079
a model airplane and explodes halfway across. So it's he's

1194
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:30.800
doing a very destructive thing.

1195
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:33.599
Yeah, and she obviously scolds him, and that's when he's like,

1196
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:34.519
you know, are you going to tell dad?

1197
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:35.719
And she's like, what would it matter?

1198
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:39.559
So we are getting a very good sense that this

1199
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:42.199
is not working out with the family dynamics on these sides.

1200
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.000
Yeah. Well, and by her saying that, it's becoming apparent

1201
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:48.039
that when they had said like you were gone, they

1202
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:51.880
weren't being cute and funny. I mean they actually don't

1203
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:53.920
really think much of him, and they don't really respect

1204
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:57.199
him or anything, and that's probably because they follow the

1205
00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:58.159
example of their mother.

1206
00:54:58.320 --> 00:54:58.800
Yeah.

1207
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:00.880
So she hands over a to him, saying that he

1208
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:02.880
can play with this if she takes away his firecrackers.

1209
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:04.719
And she goes down the basement to find Mikey and

1210
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:07.320
Wendy watching TV, and she scolds him for not doing

1211
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:09.639
anything about Sandy. And she also questions, you know where

1212
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:11.519
where you guys won't have homework to do, and they

1213
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:15.559
remind her it's Thanksgiving break in Unison. Yeah, So Wendy

1214
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:17.679
excuses herself to go to the bathroom and she runs

1215
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:21.039
into Sandy. One thing leads to another, and he blocks

1216
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:22.639
the door if she's going to the bathroom, and she's like,

1217
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:24.400
you know, I'll show you yours or I'll show you

1218
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:25.280
mind if you show me yours.

1219
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:27.599
Yeah, it becomes obvious that she's aware that he's like

1220
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:29.639
gawking at her all the time and stuff like that.

1221
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:31.880
And again that's when we realize we're going into that

1222
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:36.239
territory of the kind of uncomfortable coming of age nineties movie. Yeah,

1223
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.719
because they go into the bathroom, but the scene plays

1224
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.199
out in a very odd way. It does the wait,

1225
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:44.880
you're not expecting Yeah, because she, you know, uns ups

1226
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:47.199
her pants and then when he goes to uns up

1227
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:48.280
his pants, he struggled.

1228
00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:49.559
He's no, he is shaking.

1229
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:51.920
Yeah, he's terrified. And then he just starts screaming, get

1230
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:53.679
out of here, leave me alone, get.

1231
00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:53.840
Out of here.

1232
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:56.159
Line, what do you want? So the mom comes in

1233
00:55:56.920 --> 00:56:01.159
takes her out, but then doesn't scold her because she

1234
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:04.239
is a woman. Yeah, and so she basically just says

1235
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:06.639
like along the lines of like, your body is a temple,

1236
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:08.280
and I'm sure your parents tell you this stuff all

1237
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:11.599
the time, but you just need to like think about

1238
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:14.280
think about it, about who you do these things with. Yeah,

1239
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:16.800
and don't just do them whenever or whatever, which is

1240
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:18.360
somewhat rich coming from her, but.

1241
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.519
Yeah, but you know what, So Wendy goes home. She's

1242
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:23.159
walking home, and that's when Mikey rides up on his

1243
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:24.519
bike and he says, you know, I never want to

1244
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:26.199
see you again, and she's like, why'd you come after me?

1245
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:27.960
And hearing that, Mikey just turns his bike around and

1246
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:28.559
goes back home.

1247
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:30.239
Very funny. Yeah, I never want to see you again.

1248
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:31.679
Then why are you coming after me? Just turns his

1249
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:32.760
bike around and rides off.

1250
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:35.920
So Elena returns home from her shoplifting incident, as Ben

1251
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:37.920
requests helped because he's trying to pull the turkey out

1252
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:39.679
of the fridge so they can defrost it for Thanksgiving

1253
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:43.360
because Thanksgiving is tomorrow. The turkey falls out, and he

1254
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:45.199
can also see that she's like a little distraught but

1255
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:47.440
also a little illuminated. And that's when one thing leads

1256
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:48.800
to another and they end up having sex.

1257
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:52.440
Yeah, so she got the thrill of stealing.

1258
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.039
Wendy returns home as Ben tells her that he's going

1259
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:56.920
to pick up Paul at the station, and Wendy goes

1260
00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:59.280
upstairs and here's the shower running in the bedroom. So

1261
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:01.559
Ben and Paul to stuff into the car at the station.

1262
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:04.440
On the car right though, Ben decides to ask about school.

1263
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:06.400
He gets one word answers from Paul, and that's when

1264
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:08.360
Ben states, maybe this is a good time to have

1265
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:11.960
the talk. Yeah, but Kevin Klein can't get his words

1266
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:12.679
right at all.

1267
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:16.719
Oh no, he's completely lost the plot. Yeah, he just

1268
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:19.719
basically starts talking about jerking off. It calls it self abuse,

1269
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.159
self abuse, yeah, which is hilarious.

1270
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:24.519
That's something to take place in the shower because it

1271
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:26.519
uses electricity and water and you know you don't want

1272
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:27.440
to mess up the linens.

1273
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:30.039
Well, he says. The thing he says that I love

1274
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.079
is he says the I don't recommend doing in the

1275
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:35.480
shower because it wastes water and electricity and everyone's going

1276
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:38.400
to assume you're doing it any way. Way. Yeah.

1277
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:41.320
So that's when he also comments that, you know, Dad,

1278
00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:42.920
I'm sixteen, and he goes, oh, well, it's all the

1279
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:44.679
more reason to discuss it. So they arrive at the

1280
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:47.039
house and then that's when he goes up, by the way, Paul,

1281
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:49.280
can you forget that we ever had this conversation?

1282
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:52.519
Yeah? And he's just like sure, Dad, yeah, yeah, And

1283
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.880
then he goes right to his mom and they embrace,

1284
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:56.840
and I think at that moment he realizes he just

1285
00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.079
he just is not very good at this. Yeah.

1286
00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.840
So that's also and Paul catches up with Wendy and

1287
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:04.960
the whole exchange of the movie they call each other Charles.

1288
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.000
Yeah. Yeah. For some reason, they both refer to each

1289
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:07.840
other as Charles.

1290
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:09.800
And they have a really cute relationship, like they are

1291
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:12.199
friendly with each other. He goes to his room, she

1292
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.280
opens the door, and that's when he's like, you know, hey,

1293
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:15.639
can I use the phone up here and she's like,

1294
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:17.960
well why and he's like, well, I'm setting up a

1295
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:20.800
rendezvous for tomorrow night and she's like can I come?

1296
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:22.760
And he's like, this is kind of a one on

1297
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:25.760
one rendezvous, so he's basically making plans with libts. And

1298
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:28.800
also as they're doing this, a Jim Crotchey record is

1299
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:30.519
playing and it starts skipping and that's when he's like,

1300
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:32.679
you've been messed with by shit, haven't you. And it's

1301
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:34.559
not anything like interrogating, they laugh.

1302
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:36.760
No, he's just kind of like hey, because the only

1303
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:38.599
thing he said to her on the phone, yeah, was

1304
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:40.559
have you been in my room and my shit?

1305
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:43.119
So the next day we see it's Thanksgiving. As the

1306
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:45.840
Hood family sets the table, they sit down, Ben comments

1307
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:47.679
on how nice it is to have family together and

1308
00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:49.719
even ask Wendy to say grace because she used to

1309
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.239
love to as a little girl and she seems.

1310
00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:54.039
To love it even more now as a young woman.

1311
00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:56.679
She begins traditionally thanking God and then goes to thank

1312
00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.280
them for their material possessions and pointing out stuff that

1313
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:01.559
how they get the stuff themselves until they're full, and

1314
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:03.519
how they're still starving kids in India.

1315
00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:07.559
Well, thanks God for them slaughtering the Native Americans, you know,

1316
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:09.800
So there he go. So Ben's not amused.

1317
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:12.239
And the next day Ben and Janey are at at

1318
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:15.480
her home as Ben confesses that Elena may suspect something

1319
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:18.679
and Janney is like, well, you know, it's your wife,

1320
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:20.239
you know, what do you think? And that's when we

1321
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.519
also see Jane's uncomfortable and she tells him that she's

1322
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:23.920
got to run an errand she'll be right back to

1323
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:26.960
get birth control. Except she goes up the front door

1324
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:28.239
and we hear her car start up.

1325
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:32.000
An errand she says she just has to give yeah, yeah,

1326
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:33.880
And as he's sitting there, he takes off his pants.

1327
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:37.519
He's drinking a from a bottle of vodka in his skivvies,

1328
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:41.239
and then he hears a car start and drive off. Larious.

1329
00:59:41.239 --> 00:59:42.679
Oh, it reminds me of that. Let me bit of

1330
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:43.840
something more comfortable, gets to my car and.

1331
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:45.400
Leaves, yeah, exactly.

1332
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:49.079
So that's when we kind of just see Ben chilling

1333
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:51.320
around the house. He's smoking in the guest room, he's

1334
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:53.800
drinking more of the vodka, practicing his golf swing in

1335
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:56.719
the dining room, rolling on the waterbed, and even scoping

1336
00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:58.079
out the medications.

1337
00:59:57.519 --> 00:59:59.639
In the bathroom, Yeah, because why not.

1338
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:02.280
Wendy and Mike arrive at the house thinking no one

1339
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:04.599
is there, and Mikey suggests they can watch TV or

1340
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:06.400
they can fool around, but only if she wants to,

1341
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:09.880
asking you know, why why'd you go after Sandy. Wendy

1342
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:12.760
ignores him because she finds a Nixon Halloween mask on

1343
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:13.199
the ground.

1344
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:15.199
Oh god, this part's so fucking weird.

1345
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:17.519
And that's when she comments that he can take his

1346
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:19.280
pants off and she'll touch it, but that's as far

1347
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:19.840
as it goes.

1348
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:24.079
Yeah, and all while she's wearing the next Richard Nixon mask.

1349
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:26.840
So she he takes off his pants and he gets

1350
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:29.760
on top of her and she just her eyes are

1351
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:33.480
just like super wide behind this Nixon mask.

1352
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:36.000
And naturally Ben comes down the steps and he's like,

1353
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:36.280
what the.

1354
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:37.079
Hell are you kids doing?

1355
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:39.159
And I love it because that's when Mikey goes to

1356
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:42.079
the chair and like puts a TV guide over over.

1357
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:44.360
His lap and just starts saying a battle battle for

1358
01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.360
the the center of the Earth or something.

1359
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:50.320
Yeah, so he scolds him, and that's when Mike tries

1360
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:51.639
to talk about me. He's like, you know, don't talk

1361
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:54.639
to me, like and that's when also he asks for

1362
01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:57.320
orders Wendy to take off the Nixon mask and basically

1363
01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:59.039
says like, I have no time for your shit, like

1364
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:00.840
no time for your thing. We'll talk about this on

1365
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:01.360
the walk home.

1366
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:14.320
Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back

1367
01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:15.559
to do You Even?

1368
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:17.480
Movie?

1369
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.599
So they're walking home, and also ben And mentioned that

1370
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:26.000
he was gonna tell Mikey's parents about it, of course,

1371
01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:27.880
and that's when she's like, you know, you get all

1372
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:30.239
the stern dad stuff. So they're walking home, and that's

1373
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:32.199
what he's like, you know, hey, kiddo, like I'm not

1374
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:33.920
gonna tell your mom, Like I really don't care, Like

1375
01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:35.840
I just don't know if Mikey's the kid you want

1376
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:36.360
to make it.

1377
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:38.000
I don't think he said I won't tell mom. I

1378
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:39.960
think you just said like I'm not mad at you. Yeah,

1379
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:44.039
I understand, which, which is one thing I really appreciate

1380
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:48.119
about is when story about this film is when storytelling

1381
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:54.519
doesn't make one dimensional conflicts. Yeah, Like he knows that

1382
01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:58.440
she's sixteen or fifteen or fourteen year olds. He knows

1383
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:00.320
she's a teenage girl. He knows she's going to be

1384
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:02.119
making out with boys. He knows that she's going to

1385
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:05.480
eventually have sex. Yeah, So his his go to is

1386
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:08.440
he's like, I'm not even angry, it's just maybe you

1387
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:11.480
could do better than than him. Yeah, you know, it

1388
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:13.679
is basically what he says, although I do think that's

1389
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:16.039
partially a cop out to just saying like please stop

1390
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:19.400
doing that at all, to say like you're better than him,

1391
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:22.920
or maybe he really they everybody just hates those kids.

1392
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:24.519
Well, and this is one of his best scenes because

1393
01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:26.440
he notices she's shivering, so he's like, you know, are

1394
01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:28.440
your feet cold? And that's when he's like, you know,

1395
01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:31.000
well I'll carry you. And we see him like stand

1396
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:32.760
right there. She puts her arms around him, puts her

1397
01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:34.639
legs around him, and that's when he just like carries her.

1398
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:35.840
He gives her a piggyback ride.

1399
01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:37.840
Well front piggyback ride.

1400
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:39.639
Oh yeah it was yeah, you know, you're right, Yeah

1401
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:41.599
it was like kinda but yeah, it was a very

1402
01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:45.960
adorable moment because after kind of chastising her, he basically

1403
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:48.119
is like, all right, you know you're still my little girl.

1404
01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:49.280
Let's let's go do whatever.

1405
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:51.400
So back at the back at their house, Ben tells

1406
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:53.840
Elena about finding Wendy with Mikey at the carvers, but

1407
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:56.559
then Elene asked why was he there, and that's when

1408
01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:59.239
he makes up some bullshit lie about returning a mustache

1409
01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:01.280
coffee mug and a Lena sees right through it.

1410
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:02.800
Well, he says coffee, but she's the one that says

1411
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:05.000
the woman the mustache on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was

1412
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:08.440
returning at coffee monk reading you didn't see it? Yeah,

1413
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:10.639
well you were reading. I didn't want to bother you.

1414
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:11.920
I just decided to get some air.

1415
01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:12.360
Yeah.

1416
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:16.519
So he lies so effortlessly that it's clear he's lying

1417
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:16.960
a lot.

1418
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:19.880
If you want to see a great liar movie, the

1419
01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:23.039
remake of The Heartbreak Kid with Ben Stiller. There is

1420
01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:25.280
a scene where he gets back from spending time with

1421
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:27.400
a new love interest, and he just goes into this

1422
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:31.199
like four part explanation of like why he met this

1423
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:33.239
client and this went this way. It's some of the

1424
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.039
best lying I've ever seen in the movie.

1425
01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:39.920
You do know that the actors are lying the whole time.

1426
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:43.559
What because he's not actually the guy who was the

1427
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:44.199
Heartbreak Kill.

1428
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:45.159
He's the Heartbreak Kid.

1429
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:48.039
No, he's Ben Still No, No, he's Jerry Stiller's son.

1430
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:52.840
But no Heartbreak Kid a good movie I recommend. So

1431
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:55.320
that's when we see the three of them sitting at

1432
01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:57.559
dinner as Paul tells them by because he's gonna go

1433
01:03:57.639 --> 01:03:59.960
meet Libts in New York and he's gonna take the train.

1434
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:01.920
And that's when Elena's like, you know, you're gonna take

1435
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:03.199
the ten thirty and he's like, I thought I was

1436
01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:05.360
gonna take the eleven thirty, and Ben's like, you know,

1437
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:08.400
let the kid have some fun. While this is going on,

1438
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:11.400
we also hear news report of an ice storm moving

1439
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:12.119
through the area.

1440
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:15.159
Oh that's why it's cool or so.

1441
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:17.440
Wendy finishes her dinner, turns on the TV, and that's

1442
01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:19.320
when they're talking about an ice storm moving in. That'll

1443
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:21.880
be pretty bad. Ben questions what's for dessert and Alena

1444
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:23.119
tells him see for himself.

1445
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:27.320
Yeah, they're uh, they're doing great. Yeah. At this point,

1446
01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:32.480
it basically she knows and he knows she knows, but

1447
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.360
they're not talking about it yet. And that's something that

1448
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:39.599
I think is really interesting about Kevin Klein's relationship with

1449
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:42.920
Scourney Weaver in this Yeah, is they've it's kind of

1450
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:46.599
they've kind of flipped the rolls a bit because traditionally

1451
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:51.079
when you think of men having an affair, you think

1452
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:54.000
of it being strictly physical to the man but potentially

1453
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:57.039
very emotional to the woman. You always, you know, always

1454
01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:58.360
say a thing like, oh, he says he's gonna leave

1455
01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:01.559
his wife or whatever with mistresses. But it's very much

1456
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:05.800
clear that Kevin Klein's biggest problem is that he lacks

1457
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:09.800
intimacy with his wife and he has trouble communicating because

1458
01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:11.679
all he wants to do when he's with Scorny Weaver

1459
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:14.920
more than even full around, is talk.

1460
01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:16.840
Bitch about his day to talk in general.

1461
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:18.719
Yeah, just talk about his day talk, which is why

1462
01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:21.440
she says you already have a husband another one. Yeah.

1463
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:24.360
So I think that's a really fascinating dichotomy, and I

1464
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:27.760
think it's really a cool element to the film to

1465
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:32.079
have the father actually be a pretty sensitive person. Granted,

1466
01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:35.360
you know, there's no justification for what he's doing, but

1467
01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:38.039
that's why he's doing it. It's clear that it's not

1468
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:42.559
about sex at all. It is entirely about feeling alone.

1469
01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:45.800
Yeah, No, absolutely, And I think, honestly, to what the

1470
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:48.920
the idea of the fact that you have two people

1471
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:51.239
in this relationship, not even not even just the ten

1472
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:53.320
two of them. You've got Jim and Janey as well.

1473
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:56.119
Neither of them are happy there in their marriages. It

1474
01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:56.639
seems like.

1475
01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:57.599
No, no, clearly.

1476
01:05:57.719 --> 01:05:57.960
Yeah.

1477
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:00.159
So it's just it's fascinating to me that you have

1478
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:03.239
the two neighbors that are essentially cheating with each other

1479
01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:06.039
even though it's close proximity and really bad at hiding it.

1480
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:08.440
Yeah. Yeah.

1481
01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:11.159
So that's when they move into the kitchen. He tries

1482
01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:12.679
to speak to her, but Elena is not interested in

1483
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:14.760
coming on. How like, do you think I'm dense?

1484
01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:15.000
You know?

1485
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.000
Now you're supposed to keep appearances because they're going to

1486
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:18.920
a party tonight, and that's when we see them in

1487
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:21.199
the car. I love that edit though, because like they're

1488
01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:23.079
fighting in the kitchen smash cut, they're in the car

1489
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:24.320
not talking to each other.

1490
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:27.039
Yeah, although they wouldn't talk to each other anyway.

1491
01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:29.960
The worst part and the rain starts to fall.

1492
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:33.199
Yeah it does, but it's not frozen. Yeah, not yet.

1493
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:36.679
So that is when they go over to the party

1494
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:40.320
and they arrive finding out that it is a key

1495
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:42.519
party at Dot's house. Dot played by the Great House

1496
01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:42.920
and Jenny.

1497
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:45.320
By the way, and for people who don't know what

1498
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:47.679
a key party is, take it, daved.

1499
01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:50.840
So a key party came from the seventies. I don't

1500
01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:53.440
even know they still do them nowadays.

1501
01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:59.559
I think it came from even earlier, might probably sixties.

1502
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:02.480
Yeah, Basically, a key party is where a couple arrives

1503
01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:04.199
at the party, one of them drops the keys into

1504
01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:05.760
the bowl. At the end of the night, the women

1505
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:08.079
will fish the keys out of the bull, and whoever's

1506
01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:09.920
keys they land with, that's who they go home with.

1507
01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:13.239
Yep, So it's it's really just a wife swapping party.

1508
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:15.880
Yeah, that is exactly what it is. So that's when

1509
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:18.880
Alison Janney is Nott requests the keys for the bull,

1510
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:20.599
and you can see that the two of them are

1511
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:23.000
immediately uncomfortable and did not know, and they lie and

1512
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:25.199
say they forgot something in the car. Ben comments he

1513
01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:26.920
didn't know as they get back into the car and

1514
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:28.840
that if he knew, they could have figured out a lie.

1515
01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:31.559
He tells Elena that you know they're here. They don't

1516
01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:33.440
have to stay, but they can at least make an appearance,

1517
01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:35.519
and that's when Elna is like, no, you you you're

1518
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:37.880
fucking lying to me, Like you've marked your keys. Jane's

1519
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:40.159
gonna find them. I'm gonna come home. You and Jane

1520
01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:41.559
are gonna be in bed. The kids are gonna see

1521
01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:43.519
you guys in bed, like all it's gonna imploy.

1522
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:49.000
Yeah. She concocts an entire other scenario Yeah yeah, based

1523
01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:51.239
on the fact that she knows he's fooling around.

1524
01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:53.119
Yeah, and that's when he tells her like there's no

1525
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:55.599
big plot and he and he doesn't feel good about

1526
01:07:55.599 --> 01:07:57.760
the affair, and Alna comments that she's glad to finally

1527
01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:00.320
hear confession, before yanking the keys out of the and

1528
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:02.840
storming angrily back into the house. She throws the keys

1529
01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:04.920
to Dot, who just drops them right into the fishbowl.

1530
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:09.079
Yep, so now we might have some revenge swinging.

1531
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:12.559
So the party is in full swing as Ben's see

1532
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:14.840
what she did as in a full swing as he

1533
01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:17.600
starts being with friends, running into George Claire from work

1534
01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:19.840
and that's what he even finds out that he's working

1535
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:23.399
with Jim Carver on a project. Yay, because Jim is

1536
01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:25.239
there as well, So Jim and Janey you're both there.

1537
01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:27.760
Ben also catches eye of Janny, asking where the hell

1538
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:29.680
was she and Jenny plays at cooy and he's like,

1539
01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:31.720
you know, I've waited for you, and she basically tells

1540
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:33.560
him like, you know, it was a prior, A prior

1541
01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:36.359
engagement overcame her. She's he's not the first priority, and

1542
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:38.439
that also she's not his toy.

1543
01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:43.840
Which is really fascinating because she goes at him with

1544
01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:47.159
like this, you're being macho, and although he is being

1545
01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:49.119
a bit mucho, but she kind of goes out of

1546
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:52.439
with this whole like you're subjugating me, like I'm not

1547
01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:56.079
your toy, when in reality he's clearly having like a

1548
01:08:56.079 --> 01:08:58.319
full blown affair with her, which is one side. She's

1549
01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:00.239
not having a full blown affair with him. Yeah, he's

1550
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:02.920
having a full blown affair with her. I find that

1551
01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:05.039
really interesting how she turns out like I'm not your toy, yea,

1552
01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:07.880
But to play it up like, well, I have other

1553
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:10.279
things to worry about in life, so I got distracted.

1554
01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:13.560
It's like you had a naked man in your bedroom

1555
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:16.239
waiting for you, and you you just plumb for god.

1556
01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:19.399
She's she's basically just saying like, look, I don't care,

1557
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:22.199
and there's nothing you could do that's gonna make me care.

1558
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:22.520
Yeah.

1559
01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:23.479
It's pretty harsh.

1560
01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:25.720
Oh it's absolutely our. So on the train, Paul arrives

1561
01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:29.000
at Grand Central station. We see him arrive at Libbitt's apartment,

1562
01:09:29.039 --> 01:09:31.640
who tells him they've been waiting for him.

1563
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:37.359
Yep, His his poon Slangh roommate is already.

1564
01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:38.159
There and rolling a joint.

1565
01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:40.880
Yeah, and they and they're already like a couple of

1566
01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:41.720
beers in Yeah.

1567
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:43.720
And that's when he requests that they get some beverages.

1568
01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:45.119
So he goes to the fridge and we can see

1569
01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:47.199
that Paul is pretty pissed. But also on the TV

1570
01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:49.640
they're also talking about the rain is turning to ice

1571
01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:51.239
as soon as its hitting the street now, and this

1572
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:52.239
is in New York as well.

1573
01:09:52.399 --> 01:09:54.760
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean that part of Connecticut in

1574
01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:57.079
New York not very far apart far because one thing

1575
01:09:57.079 --> 01:09:58.640
to keep in mind, because I know you'd mentioned like

1576
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:01.439
how strange it was that they just let him get

1577
01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:03.319
on the bus, but since he goes to school in

1578
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:06.840
New York, yeah, he's completely aware of how the trains work. Yeah,

1579
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:09.039
because uh, yeah, when you live close enough to New York.

1580
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:12.680
Because I lived like the furthest direct stop from New

1581
01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:15.359
York when I lived in Jersey. Yeah, it's just normal.

1582
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:17.840
I mean, well it's as normal as going to Columbus Ohio.

1583
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:21.239
The only sign we get that the parents care as

1584
01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:22.920
far as I'm concerned is literally the mom is like,

1585
01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:24.319
why don't you take a cab back? It's going to

1586
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:27.039
be pretty bad outside. That's the only thing that's mentioned on.

1587
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:29.800
Either family No for real, So yeah, I would agree.

1588
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:42.560
Yeah Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back. Welcome

1589
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:44.159
back to Do You Even?

1590
01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:46.079
Movie?

1591
01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:51.920
So Francis requested him to grab a drink. He gets drinks,

1592
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:53.640
and that's when he returns with the beer as the

1593
01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:56.279
joint is lit. Back at the key party, Elena finds

1594
01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:58.319
that Pastor Phillip is also in attendance.

1595
01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:01.720
Awkward, and it should be mentioned. I don't know if

1596
01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:04.680
we've properly described Pastor Philip when she bumped into him

1597
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:08.359
and they kind of had a flirtation earlier. He's a

1598
01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:12.840
modern pastor for that era. He's got long hair, he's

1599
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:17.319
not super obsessed with denominations. He's about, you know, the

1600
01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:23.319
holistic elements of what what have you. But I love

1601
01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:26.840
this scene because even though she's mad, and even though

1602
01:11:26.840 --> 01:11:32.840
she's kind of threatening her husband with vengeance adultery, when

1603
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:34.640
he starts talking to her, she's like, I'm surprised to

1604
01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:40.920
see you here. He says something so totally fucked. He says, well,

1605
01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:44.199
did you ever I didn't write He says something along

1606
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:48.960
lines of a shepherd sometimes he's the company of his sheep.

1607
01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:54.319
And she just goes, I'm not going to you know,

1608
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:56.359
I'm gonna pretend that you didn't say that to me.

1609
01:11:56.960 --> 01:11:58.800
And then I love it because then there's a beat

1610
01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:01.680
and he's like, yeah, I really shouldn't be here, and

1611
01:12:01.760 --> 01:12:04.880
he goes because like he's not a Catholic priest. No,

1612
01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:08.640
he is a pastor. Should he be allowed to date

1613
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.479
of course? Of course, should he be allowed to meet people?

1614
01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:15.159
Of course? Should he be at a swinging party? Probably not?

1615
01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:17.760
Not even I mean like just I'm just saying, like,

1616
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:20.680
not even with another person. No, like he didn't bring

1617
01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:25.479
a wife along. He he's flying solo at the swinger party. No,

1618
01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:30.000
your your local pastor should not be cruising for casual

1619
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:35.319
sex with married people. Now, I am not a doctor

1620
01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:40.079
lifestyle coach. I am the lifestyle coach of this podcast,

1621
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:43.399
and I'm just for and I know about eighty seven

1622
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:47.079
percent of our audience our pastors. Okay, yes, so thank god,

1623
01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:52.039
exactly so.

1624
01:12:52.039 --> 01:12:52.199
So.

1625
01:12:53.239 --> 01:12:55.680
But no, it's it's a really great scene too. Though,

1626
01:12:55.720 --> 01:13:01.000
because it also establishes that he kind of she helps

1627
01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:04.119
it dawn on him. He's like, yeah, I should I

1628
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:07.720
shouldn't be here. I was I was letting the the

1629
01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:12.399
little pastor make the decisions, make the decisions for Yeah.

1630
01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:14.600
So he goes and fishes his keys out, and two

1631
01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:16.239
guys passed him and they're like, I hope that's not

1632
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:18.439
my keys, and he hears this and leaves the party.

1633
01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:23.159
Very Ah. He comes off kind of like like a

1634
01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:25.960
creep charmer, yea, Like he comes off a little charming,

1635
01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:28.720
but then I could see it becoming creepy pretty quick. Yeah.

1636
01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:31.479
And the fact, I mean, I just coming to a

1637
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:36.680
key party by yourself would be weird enough, Yeah, but

1638
01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:41.159
for him to be the local pastor, yeah, it is

1639
01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:44.319
just bizarre. It's very bizarre that he's a younger pastor

1640
01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:48.960
and he's probably thirty, maybe a little older than that. Yeah,

1641
01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:52.199
So for him to be there, it's like, how are

1642
01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:55.319
these people supposed to take seriously your counsel when you're

1643
01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:58.960
cruising to maybe bang somebody's wife. Yeah, no kidding, it's

1644
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:00.600
a little fucked bit fucked.

1645
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:03.960
So back at Libbitt's apartment, Paul using the bathroom finds

1646
01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:05.520
some what we assume is valuum.

1647
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:08.560
Yeah. Well he names three drugs. Yeah, and the one

1648
01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:12.359
he names that I recognize is Valuume. Valuum would be

1649
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:14.479
the kind of thing people would want to take to

1650
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:16.399
have fun. Yeah, I guess. I mean I took it

1651
01:14:16.439 --> 01:14:20.640
to get jaw surgery, and I could I fell asleep

1652
01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:23.119
during the surgery. I am a lightweight.

1653
01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:25.920
This is true, but he is not getting it for himself.

1654
01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:28.479
His intention is to put Francis to sleep so he

1655
01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:29.439
can have some time.

1656
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:32.800
With libbits well, to conk him out, to conk him out,

1657
01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:34.199
to put him to sleep.

1658
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:36.680
So he goes to him offering the meds like he's like,

1659
01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:38.479
hey man, look what I found. And that's what Libbitts

1660
01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:40.039
comes in and she's like, oh, can I have some two?

1661
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:42.720
And he tries to not and that's when Francis is like,

1662
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:46.560
oh no, don't give her one. So she takes two. Yeah,

1663
01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:49.800
so he takes one, she takes two, and I don't

1664
01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:53.119
think he takes any it actually, well no, he Franton

1665
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:55.640
takes one, a Libbts takes two, and then then Paul

1666
01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:58.479
taken too. Maybe he did take two. Yeah, So he

1667
01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:00.640
goes to him offering the meds they take. And that's

1668
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:03.119
when we also see that Ben back at the party

1669
01:15:03.279 --> 01:15:05.319
is cutting loose and having some drinks.

1670
01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:09.680
That's one way to put it. Yeah, he's getting drunker

1671
01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:11.359
than a skunker he is, indeed.

1672
01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:13.399
So back at the Carver residence, Mikey puts on a

1673
01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:16.039
slicker against the advice of Sandy and heads out into

1674
01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:18.279
the ice storm. Very cool shot as Mikey leaves, because

1675
01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:20.159
the ice is already falling at this point, the door's

1676
01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:22.600
iced over. He's in a bright red slicker and the

1677
01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:24.479
slicker just fades out from the ice well.

1678
01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:27.600
And he says that and this is important. Yeah, he says,

1679
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:29.880
the reason he wants to go out is with it

1680
01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:34.399
being so cold and raining that there's no particles in

1681
01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:39.199
the air. No, so you you it's it's a clean air,

1682
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:43.079
healthy air to breathe. Yeah. But also he seems to

1683
01:15:43.119 --> 01:15:44.600
be a kind of kid who likes to wander on

1684
01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:48.279
his own anyway, and as a person who likes to

1685
01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:52.840
to wander around in really bad snowstorms and stuff on foot.

1686
01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:55.199
Although I drive to it, I and give a shit.

1687
01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:59.840
I'm a fucking nut, but uh, I get it. But yeah,

1688
01:15:59.880 --> 01:16:02.359
it seems a little on the dangerous side.

1689
01:16:02.279 --> 01:16:04.119
Just a bit. But back at the key party, a

1690
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:06.960
younger guy is hitting it off with Jamie because one

1691
01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:10.520
of the women brought their younger sons lit at Livet's house.

1692
01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:12.520
Francis that comes to the Meds while Libbots and Paul

1693
01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:14.600
are sitting listening to Delton John and Paul takes the

1694
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:16.520
opportunity to confess his love to Libits.

1695
01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:19.239
Yeah, and it goes over about as well as a

1696
01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:23.159
fart in a bathtub, because she is very moved.

1697
01:16:23.319 --> 01:16:25.399
Except that's when Paul is like, you know, well, you

1698
01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:27.159
want to take a bath together, And she's like.

1699
01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:31.079
This is so smooth. I don't want that to get lost. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1700
01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:34.880
She basically says like the the she says the thing,

1701
01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:39.600
you're like a brother to me. And his response is, oh, well,

1702
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:42.920
you want to take a bath together, and she's just

1703
01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:46.319
kind of like what And then my brother and sister

1704
01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:49.079
he's like yeah, and he's making his face like let's

1705
01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:51.960
please like actually take a bath together. You are drugged

1706
01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:57.760
and uh and as she's uh moving over, adjusting her

1707
01:16:57.800 --> 01:17:02.199
body slightly, uh yep, passes out out head right into

1708
01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:04.039
his cross, right into his crotch, and that's when we

1709
01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:07.319
see Paul kind of contemplate, and we cut back to uh,

1710
01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:10.479
we cut back to Paul or no, sorry, we cut

1711
01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:12.960
back into Wendy, who is also now out in the

1712
01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:15.479
ice storm, and she ventures over to the Carver's residence

1713
01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:18.399
find Sandy at home, and that's when at the key party,

1714
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:21.800
Dot gathers everyone because it's time for the keys to

1715
01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:22.399
be drawn.

1716
01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:26.439
Oh boy, So that is when Ben goes to Elena,

1717
01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:28.279
who tells who tells me, now, are you ready to go?

1718
01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:32.239
And she's like, we're not going anywhere. So outside, Mikey

1719
01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:34.359
plays on the diving board of the banded pool they

1720
01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:36.359
were in earlier, and he's just doing what kids do,

1721
01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:39.279
standing on the edge of it and jumping up, sliding

1722
01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:40.920
on the iceed over diving board.

1723
01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:44.000
And basically this is the beginning of us really getting

1724
01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:46.439
the sense something bad is going to happen to him.

1725
01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:49.880
And this is a fake out. Yes, he doesn't slip

1726
01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:52.840
and fall and break his neck or anything, so but yeah,

1727
01:17:52.880 --> 01:17:55.479
we're starting to get this sense that he's all alone.

1728
01:17:55.600 --> 01:18:00.319
The storm is really bad. Yeah, but also like there

1729
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:03.920
are no parents, no you know, nowhere, Like the kid

1730
01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:06.439
who's on the diving board is supposed to be responsible

1731
01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:09.680
for his younger brother. Yeah, and Christina Ricci's character is

1732
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:11.840
supposed to be or it's just home alone.

1733
01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:15.600
Home alone, and it's all the parents are literally at

1734
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:16.239
this key party.

1735
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:19.039
Yeah, yeah, hoping to get a little strange.

1736
01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:22.680
So I wasn't even a joke though, I know, yeah,

1737
01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:25.239
I know. So that is when back at the Carver residence,

1738
01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:29.119
Sandy asked if she wants to get Sandy Erksmi Wendy

1739
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:30.720
asked Sandy if they want to get in bed together,

1740
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:33.039
and she even has them drink a little vodka loosen

1741
01:18:33.079 --> 01:18:33.680
each other up.

1742
01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:35.760
Yeah, and that's loose slide.

1743
01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:37.720
That's when he plants a kiss on her and says

1744
01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:39.359
that he loves her, and she's like, are you drunk?

1745
01:18:39.359 --> 01:18:40.920
And he's like, I don't know, how do you tell?

1746
01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:42.640
And she's like, I think the room spins, but then

1747
01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:43.800
again I don't know either.

1748
01:18:44.319 --> 01:18:47.159
Yeah, yep, is that true, Daves? That is the room spin?

1749
01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:48.079
The room can't spin?

1750
01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:50.399
Yes, oh god. So the only time in my life

1751
01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:52.960
I had the room spin was I was I was

1752
01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:56.800
severely dehydrated once. Okay, that makes sense, and uh, but

1753
01:18:56.880 --> 01:18:58.800
I never had the room spin. And I heard people

1754
01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:02.239
describe it, and I remember the crazy thing, and everybody's

1755
01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:04.479
like dooh, because everybody drinks alcohol but me basically, but

1756
01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:07.479
it was the room was spinning and I would close

1757
01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:11.279
my eyes trying to, like, you know, stop it. And

1758
01:19:11.319 --> 01:19:13.119
I noticed that I felt like my eyes was always

1759
01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:15.680
so I put my hand over my eye and realized

1760
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:20.239
that literally my eyes were twirling around uncontrollably. And I

1761
01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:22.000
had no That blew my mind though, that I could

1762
01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:23.359
put my hand on my eye and my eye was

1763
01:19:23.399 --> 01:19:24.560
doing something I didn't want it to do.

1764
01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:26.880
The worst spins I ever had was the night that

1765
01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:31.880
you made a special appearance in Troy after midnight. Oh yeah, yeah,

1766
01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:33.439
that was That was the worst spins I ever had

1767
01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:35.119
because the TV just started going like that, and that's

1768
01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:35.560
what I was like.

1769
01:19:35.600 --> 01:19:37.960
I don't feel good even when I drove all the

1770
01:19:37.960 --> 01:19:39.399
way to your house in the middle of the night

1771
01:19:39.399 --> 01:19:44.000
because you stopped responding on PlayStation. Yes, yes, while we

1772
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:46.640
were playing a game. Yes, that would be the time. Yes, yes, yep,

1773
01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:51.159
I remember driving up there calling you again again. No,

1774
01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:52.880
I was calling you the entire way up that way

1775
01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:55.119
because if you'd answered like I'm okay, I couldnund and

1776
01:19:55.119 --> 01:19:57.840
go home. You don't exactly live right down the road.

1777
01:19:58.119 --> 01:19:59.920
And I didn't necessarily live in the best place of that.

1778
01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:02.720
No, that's why I was actually, that's actually why I

1779
01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:03.119
was worried.

1780
01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:06.359
So back at limits his apartment, Paul moves his moves

1781
01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:07.960
her head from his lap, and he tries to pick

1782
01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:09.840
her up. He stumbles, drops her to the ground a

1783
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:11.600
little bit, and that's when he also looks at his

1784
01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:13.399
watch and decides that he's gonna try to leave early

1785
01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:14.000
and catch the train.

1786
01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:17.680
Yeah, he does. They kind of mess with you a

1787
01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:19.880
little bit because he does kind of not get on

1788
01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:22.159
top of her, but he kind of gets over her yea,

1789
01:20:22.520 --> 01:20:24.479
and kind of like looks at her face and touches

1790
01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:26.479
her hair a little bit to where you're kind of worried,

1791
01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:30.000
like is this about to get really dark? And yes,

1792
01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:30.720
but not here.

1793
01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:43.399
Do You Even? Movie will be right back, welcome back

1794
01:20:43.479 --> 01:20:44.680
to Do You Even?

1795
01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:46.960
Movie?

1796
01:20:50.199 --> 01:20:52.640
So, although there is that moment every time I watch it, though,

1797
01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:54.840
there is that little moment where I'm like, are we

1798
01:20:54.920 --> 01:20:57.560
sure those kids are gonna wake up? Yea, like they

1799
01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:01.479
were pounding beers and then both took yeah, like took

1800
01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:05.479
valume and stuff, so uh, and he just leaves. He's like, yeah, whatever, Yeah,

1801
01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:07.159
So he's got comic books.

1802
01:21:07.239 --> 01:21:10.079
So back at the key party, several people have gone

1803
01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:11.880
home at this point, they drawn the keys, and that's

1804
01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:13.800
when if Janie's trying to draw the keys, and that's

1805
01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:15.720
when she lands on the keys of the younger guy

1806
01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:16.720
that's there with his mother.

1807
01:21:17.399 --> 01:21:19.760
Oh, she does it on purpose. When she reaches in,

1808
01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:22.680
she grabs he has a very unusual uh.

1809
01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:25.039
She goes behind it, grabs it and looks at Ben

1810
01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:25.359
while she.

1811
01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:27.800
Doesn't Yeah, yeah it has it had like a weird

1812
01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:31.640
like braided leather piece that was like really long, like

1813
01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:34.279
seven or eight inches long, and she grabs that. She

1814
01:21:34.319 --> 01:21:36.560
digs through, grabs that and then like plays with that

1815
01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:39.439
long piece, which makes me think that it may have

1816
01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:42.479
been marked, which was yeah, yeah, yeah.

1817
01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:45.119
So that's when Ben tries to intervene, but he drunkenly

1818
01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:47.479
falls into the table. Some of his buddies catch him,

1819
01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:50.439
and Lena sees this, Jim sees this, and Ben has

1820
01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:53.239
helped to the bathroom. Paul barely catches the train in

1821
01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:55.560
New York and begins to read his comic book. Elena

1822
01:21:55.600 --> 01:21:58.399
and Jim find themselves alone in the living room because

1823
01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:00.479
everybody's picked their keys at this point, and He's like

1824
01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:02.479
you know, I'm pretty sure that's my keys in the

1825
01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:05.119
bowl there. So she retrieves them, and that's when he's like,

1826
01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:08.279
they're both looking uneasy, and that's when he basically says,

1827
01:22:08.319 --> 01:22:11.199
you know, I don't think so this night's been pretty discouraging.

1828
01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:13.000
I don't know what we want to do. And that's

1829
01:22:13.039 --> 01:22:15.119
when she's like, you know, well, you know, we could

1830
01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:17.279
just sit here, we warm. He's like, Elena, we're neighbors,

1831
01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:19.359
close friends, doesn't it make it seem a little strange,

1832
01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:21.600
And she's like, well, you know, we can just stay here,

1833
01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:24.760
keep each other company. Also, my husband's in the bathroom.

1834
01:22:25.039 --> 01:22:27.199
I have no intention of getting him. And that's when

1835
01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:28.439
he's like, oh, hell with it, let's just go for

1836
01:22:28.439 --> 01:22:28.840
a drive.

1837
01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:30.239
Yeah, in the ice storm.

1838
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:31.079
In the ice storm.

1839
01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:34.920
Yeah yeah, this is this is solid decision making.

1840
01:22:35.159 --> 01:22:37.880
So that is when we see them leave outside of

1841
01:22:37.880 --> 01:22:40.039
the house, and right as they leave, we also see

1842
01:22:40.079 --> 01:22:42.840
that a branch has fallen down, covered in ice. Oh

1843
01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:44.279
and we also did mention the thing you and I

1844
01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:45.920
mentioned as they walked into the bar.

1845
01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:47.439
Yeah, well, when they were coming, I mean I think

1846
01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:49.079
it's pretty obvious. Yeah there. Yeah, but there was this

1847
01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:52.520
moment where she has an umbrella, and you just won't

1848
01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:54.479
share it with her, the husband and wife. Yeah, but yeah,

1849
01:22:54.479 --> 01:22:56.600
So they go to the car. I did love the

1850
01:22:56.680 --> 01:23:01.279
branch falling because ice storms make heavier because you know,

1851
01:23:01.279 --> 01:23:04.479
they're covered in water that freezes, So I like that touch.

1852
01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:06.279
And then they get in the car and this is

1853
01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:09.800
possibly one of the saddest, most awkward, most saddest.

1854
01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:12.279
He turns the car on to warm it up, and

1855
01:23:12.279 --> 01:23:14.159
that's when she's like, you know, do the seats go back.

1856
01:23:14.359 --> 01:23:16.720
He pushes the seats back. They go at it for

1857
01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:17.840
what a minute?

1858
01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:22.000
Maybe that's you're so generous. Thirty seconds, so nice of you,

1859
01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:23.680
such a nice young boy.

1860
01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:24.920
Twenty seconds.

1861
01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:29.199
I mean, if we start the timer from the time

1862
01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:32.800
he said high to her, Yeah, then he gets almost

1863
01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:33.439
a minute.

1864
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:35.840
They go at it for a very short period, and

1865
01:23:35.880 --> 01:23:37.159
that's when he's like, I can't do this.

1866
01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:37.920
He goes at it.

1867
01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:42.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that's when Jim says he

1868
01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:44.199
can't do it, and Elena asked him to wait while

1869
01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:45.119
she goes in tidies up.

1870
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:47.119
No, he doesn't say he can't do it. He just

1871
01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:50.279
did it. Oh yeah, no, no, he just he just

1872
01:23:50.359 --> 01:23:53.560
does the power move, the ultimate move that every woman

1873
01:23:53.600 --> 01:23:58.319
hopes for, which is he immediately ejaculates and then cries yeah. Yeah.

1874
01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:00.159
So that's when Elena is like, hey, I just have

1875
01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:01.720
to go tidy up. Can you wait a second, and

1876
01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:03.920
so she raners Dot's house. He goes to the bathroom,

1877
01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:06.079
opens the door. That's when we see a very drunk

1878
01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:09.319
bend against the wall and he's like, oh hi. She's like,

1879
01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:11.119
I've found a ride home. He's like, no, no, I'll

1880
01:24:11.159 --> 01:24:11.520
drive you.

1881
01:24:11.560 --> 01:24:13.720
And I love that. He goes, no, no, I'll drive you.

1882
01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:16.920
Yeah, and she's like, you're in no condition can stand up?

1883
01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:19.439
Why don't you crash on the couch tonight and we'll

1884
01:24:19.439 --> 01:24:20.119
talk in the morning.

1885
01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:25.159
We'll crash somewhere else. So they leave, or she leaves him.

1886
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:27.319
On the road Jim and Elena are driving, the car

1887
01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:29.600
slides on ice standing over the side of the hill.

1888
01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:31.760
The car gets stuck over the hill, and that's when

1889
01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:33.600
we also see the storm as in full effect as

1890
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:36.439
Elena returns home and we see her hesitate to enter.

1891
01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:39.880
Not Elena Janey returns home to the Carver residence and

1892
01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:42.000
I love this because she's about to go into Mikey's room,

1893
01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:43.840
which she would have seen he wasn't home, right right.

1894
01:24:44.039 --> 01:24:45.800
She stares at the door and it's almost like she's ashamed,

1895
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:47.680
and then goes into her room, lays on the bed

1896
01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:49.279
in the fetal position, and just falls asleep.

1897
01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:50.920
Yeah, that's the good sleep.

1898
01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:54.680
So that is also when we see them, excuse me here,

1899
01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:58.399
I've lost my place. Talk amongst yourselves for a second. Boy,

1900
01:24:58.439 --> 01:25:01.199
Here we go, So that is excuse me here, there

1901
01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:04.239
we go. So outside, Mikey's still enjoying the storm, is running,

1902
01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:07.039
He's sliding through the grass. He also comes to a

1903
01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:09.680
street that he slides down on his back. And that's

1904
01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:12.439
when he comes to a downed power line.

1905
01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:17.159
Yeah. Yeah, and this is a critical point and tense. Yes.

1906
01:25:17.239 --> 01:25:20.560
So now he's standing there looking at this power line,

1907
01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:22.399
whacking around and stuff because.

1908
01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:22.920
The storms still coming down.

1909
01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:28.720
Oh yeah. And as he's staring at it, the wire

1910
01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:32.960
hits the metal guardrail he's leaning against. Yes, and in

1911
01:25:33.079 --> 01:25:39.159
the most legitimate and non movie, non cartoony way. Yeah,

1912
01:25:39.199 --> 01:25:43.680
he gets electrocuted. Yes, And then and then falls down

1913
01:25:44.840 --> 01:25:50.439
and then just slowly slides on the ice. Yeah, completely unmoving.

1914
01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:53.880
So he slides down the hill. Paul is back on

1915
01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:56.159
the train reading his comic book until the train lights

1916
01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:58.399
go down. The train stops because now the ice storm

1917
01:25:58.399 --> 01:26:01.199
has stopped it as well. The next morning, Ben wakes

1918
01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:03.079
up grabs his keys from the bull, which I love

1919
01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:05.159
the shot because it's just the shot of the bull.

1920
01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:07.680
Him walking towards his hand gets it. It only keys

1921
01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:10.439
of the bull. And that's when we also see that

1922
01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:13.920
they Jim and Olena have arrived at the car for residence.

1923
01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:16.199
He says the phone's out, offers her some dry sock

1924
01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:18.720
and some rain boots in the guest room downstairs.

1925
01:26:19.079 --> 01:26:19.239
Yea.

1926
01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:21.399
So as she enters the guest room and there she

1927
01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:24.000
finds Wendy and Sandy and Bet asleep. Wendy wakes up

1928
01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:27.000
as she enters, and that's what she's like, naked. They're naked, yeah,

1929
01:26:27.039 --> 01:26:29.720
and she's like get dressed. Ben, driving down the street

1930
01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:32.119
stops as he comes to the down power line, also

1931
01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:35.079
sees the red jacket and sees it something's over there.

1932
01:26:35.119 --> 01:26:37.840
He gets out of the car, turns over Mikey's corpse

1933
01:26:37.880 --> 01:26:39.960
and realizes it's him. He starts touching him to make

1934
01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:43.920
sure that he's not you know that he's that he's dead, unfortunately,

1935
01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:46.880
and that's when he picks up Mikey's corpse and begins

1936
01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:48.800
to walk him back to the house because the car

1937
01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:50.479
cannot get through the power line. At this point, he's

1938
01:26:50.520 --> 01:26:55.319
only got one choice. Yeah, yeah, So he gets Mikey's body,

1939
01:26:55.399 --> 01:26:57.880
he realizes who it is, and back out on the train.

1940
01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:00.760
Paul watches the train come back to life begins rolling

1941
01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:03.399
down the track again as we see the scenes from

1942
01:27:03.439 --> 01:27:05.319
the opening start up again. The guy comes in. He's like,

1943
01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:08.439
next stop, New Canaan, and that's when we see Jim

1944
01:27:08.439 --> 01:27:11.239
at home looking over Sandy. He's in the bed with him.

1945
01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:14.039
As Ben calls to the carvers A arriving with Mikey's

1946
01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:16.359
body right outside the house. Elena and Wendy are at

1947
01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:19.079
the door and they come to first. Jim follows right

1948
01:27:19.159 --> 01:27:22.079
behind them. He immediately bends down, picks up Mikey's body,

1949
01:27:22.359 --> 01:27:24.279
takes him into the house. He starts taking the wet

1950
01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:26.680
clothes off of him, lays him on a mat inside,

1951
01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:28.720
and that's when he starts to sob.

1952
01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:30.079
And he confirms that he's dead.

1953
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:32.520
Yeah, so Sandy comes out now. He also sees that

1954
01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:34.840
his brother has passed. Wendy goes to leave, but goes

1955
01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:36.520
back to the door and gives him a big hug.

1956
01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:40.279
Jim sob Jim sobbing awakens Janey from the bed, and

1957
01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:42.359
we never see here actually get up. I'd never realized that.

1958
01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:44.840
Yeah, yeah, we don't know what happens next for them.

1959
01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:47.399
So outside we also see Ben's car driving through the

1960
01:27:47.399 --> 01:27:50.119
town now, which is covered in ice. Paul's train arrives

1961
01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:52.520
at the station. He steps out to see Elena, Ben

1962
01:27:52.520 --> 01:27:55.520
and Wendy waiting for him. Paul smiles and steps off

1963
01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:58.039
the platform. He joins him in the car. Ben goes

1964
01:27:58.079 --> 01:28:00.399
to start the car, but he pauses to look back

1965
01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:02.319
and he looks back at Paul Wendy and he just

1966
01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:04.680
turns back with tears in his eyes, puts his head

1967
01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:08.159
on the wheel. Elene is like, you know, Ben, Ben,

1968
01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:11.359
And that's when Paul, looking forward, just kind of puts

1969
01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:14.640
his head down. And that is nineteen ninety Seven's the

1970
01:28:14.720 --> 01:28:15.279
ice storm.

1971
01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:17.439
Yeah, it pretty much ends with him just being glad

1972
01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:18.239
his sun is alive.

1973
01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:20.279
Yeah, that's it. That is basically what happened.

1974
01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:22.479
It puts all the perspective to it where he's like,

1975
01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:24.359
why was I pissed about this and that and this

1976
01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:27.039
and that, Like at least my son's alive. Yeah, which

1977
01:28:27.359 --> 01:28:29.199
or you could if you use a different tone of voints.

1978
01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:34.079
It's pretty shitty. At least my son's alive. But anyway, would.

1979
01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:35.960
You like to know some interesting facts about the film?

1980
01:28:36.079 --> 01:28:36.439
Sure?

1981
01:28:36.520 --> 01:28:38.039
Would you like to guess the budget.

1982
01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:41.640
Of the film? My throat hurts, that's fair, that's my guess.

1983
01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:45.680
Okay, eighteen million dollars the budget. It comes out September

1984
01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:49.680
twenty seventh, nineteen ninety seven, to a wopping box office

1985
01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:51.880
return opening weekend of seventy five thousand dollars.

1986
01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:54.479
Well, it was released via Fox Searchlight, so it was

1987
01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:57.520
probably not released. It was limited for sure.

1988
01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:00.159
It ends up grossing eight million, just over eight million.

1989
01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:02.920
That's I mean, that's pretty rough.

1990
01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:05.880
Yeah. Well, it also comes out the same year as Titanic.

1991
01:29:07.199 --> 01:29:08.399
Well in ful monty.

1992
01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:12.039
Well and Fox Searchlight was always generally their smaller movie releases. Yeah,

1993
01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:12.600
so Gourney.

1994
01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:14.680
We were won a Bathto Award for Best Performance by

1995
01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:17.840
Supporting Actress. Rick Moody, the author of the novel, was

1996
01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:20.239
so pleased with the film he sobbed through the end credits.

1997
01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:22.319
Moody was originally asked if he wanted to adapt the

1998
01:29:22.359 --> 01:29:25.039
novel to screenplay himself, but turned it down. As he

1999
01:29:25.079 --> 01:29:27.000
did not want to risk someone else's name appearing on

2000
01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:28.439
his work after the first draft.

2001
01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:29.279
Wow.

2002
01:29:30.039 --> 01:29:32.079
The real ice storm portrayed in the film happened in

2003
01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:34.720
December sixteenth and seventeenth of nineteen seventy three, and it

2004
01:29:34.760 --> 01:29:37.560
was named Felix. In regards to some facts about that

2005
01:29:38.079 --> 01:29:40.640
this was Massachusetts was the hardest hit at this the

2006
01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:42.880
peak of the storm, one hundred thousand homes and businesses

2007
01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:45.399
were without power and four thousand homes were without heat

2008
01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:48.479
sometime for as long as twenty four hours. Emergency shelters

2009
01:29:48.520 --> 01:29:50.600
opened in Foster, Rhode Island, and.

2010
01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:53.640
At Sachu.

2011
01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:57.039
There was some street in cellar flooding. Total damage and

2012
01:29:57.079 --> 01:29:59.399
Rhode Island was estimated at more than five hundred thousand

2013
01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:01.000
dollars A ninety seventy three dollars.

2014
01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:03.960
Yeah, I mean so it was based on.

2015
01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:07.159
A true storm that happened in seventy three. In regards

2016
01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:09.640
to the real to the Ice Storm by Rick Moody.

2017
01:30:09.640 --> 01:30:12.439
It was published in nineteen ninety four James Seamus's wife,

2018
01:30:12.479 --> 01:30:15.000
who knew Rick Moody from attending the MFA program with

2019
01:30:15.079 --> 01:30:18.319
him at Columbia University. Seamus then brought the book to

2020
01:30:18.319 --> 01:30:20.279
Ang Lee, who then wanted to make the film.

2021
01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:22.399
Wow. Okay, so that's how it happened. Yeah.

2022
01:30:22.479 --> 01:30:24.439
To prepare for the film, ang Lee let the cast

2023
01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:27.560
members study stacks of magazine cutouts from the early nineteen seventies.

2024
01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:31.000
Binders were also handed to them, including advertisements, fashion articles,

2025
01:30:31.039 --> 01:30:34.680
news clippings. Elijah Wood was also specifically given Dark Side

2026
01:30:34.680 --> 01:30:37.119
of the Moon album and a Yes album. Each actor

2027
01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:38.920
also had to write a bio for the character that

2028
01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:40.399
they would bring into the film mentally.

2029
01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:44.039
Yeah, that's a very common tactic to get into character.

2030
01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:56.960
Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back, Welcome back

2031
01:30:57.039 --> 01:30:58.239
to Do You Even?

2032
01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:03.520
Movie.

2033
01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:05.760
Kevin Klein was one over when his agent, who had

2034
01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:08.119
finished reading the screenplay, told him he had just read

2035
01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:11.399
the most bleak and depressing screenplay, which Klein requested immediately

2036
01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:14.039
to read. Upon getting halfway through it, Climb was one

2037
01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:16.840
over with the humor and vulnerability displayed by the characters,

2038
01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:19.359
especially Ben, whom he wanted to play or he went

2039
01:31:19.399 --> 01:31:21.760
to play. Klein also went on to read the novel

2040
01:31:21.800 --> 01:31:23.840
before production and found the challenge for an actor to

2041
01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:26.279
play a character so weak, keeping in mind he knows

2042
01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:28.239
something is wrong, but he doesn't know how to fix it.

2043
01:31:28.600 --> 01:31:31.479
Yea, that's I mean, that's him to a t that character. Yeah.

2044
01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:34.399
According to Anglee, Sigourney Weaver personally lobbied for the part

2045
01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:35.600
of Janey after Cline.

2046
01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:38.000
Showed her the script. Oh nice. The first day of.

2047
01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:40.720
Production, Anglee held an Eastern ceremony in the woods to

2048
01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:43.680
bring good luck to the production. A gong bang signified

2049
01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:44.560
the beginning of production.

2050
01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:46.439
That's one way to do it. Yeah.

2051
01:31:46.479 --> 01:31:49.479
Anglee did not have a trailer nor dressing room on production.

2052
01:31:49.640 --> 01:31:52.039
Kevin Klein notes that he always just saw Lee as

2053
01:31:52.119 --> 01:31:54.439
being there or even on set when the actors were

2054
01:31:54.439 --> 01:31:54.920
not working.

2055
01:31:55.479 --> 01:31:58.119
I mean, I can't imagine directing a movie and being

2056
01:31:58.119 --> 01:32:00.159
in a trailer. Yeah.

2057
01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:02.720
Having both had theater backgrounds, Joan Allen and Kevin Klein

2058
01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:05.560
greatly enjoyed working with each other. Kleine even mentioned passing

2059
01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:07.600
Allen's dressing room one time and he saw her sitting

2060
01:32:07.640 --> 01:32:09.880
at her mirror getting in characters, smoking a cigarette and

2061
01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:12.319
looking back at herself in the mirror and visualizing the

2062
01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:13.720
pain her character needed to feel.

2063
01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:15.840
That's intense. Yeah.

2064
01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:18.720
In the scene where Klein finds Ricchie's character at Janie's house,

2065
01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:21.960
they walk home, Kline had hurt his back shortly before filming,

2066
01:32:22.039 --> 01:32:24.600
he recommended her putting her legs around him and reaching

2067
01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:27.039
up as he'd been down to pick. He later reported

2068
01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:29.840
both from his screening and Richie's original screening, that multiple

2069
01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:31.920
audience members were moved by the action of the film.

2070
01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:34.159
I mean it's a very moving scene.

2071
01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:34.479
Yeah.

2072
01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:37.359
According to Elijah wood Jell was used for the ice

2073
01:32:37.399 --> 01:32:39.079
in the scene where he's sliding on the grass in

2074
01:32:39.079 --> 01:32:41.279
the storm. He also reported the scene on the diving

2075
01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:43.520
board involved the diving board being wrapped in plastic to

2076
01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:46.439
give it a slick and smer to it. A skateboard

2077
01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:48.439
was used in his scene sliding down the hill shortly

2078
01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:50.279
before his demise to give the appearance of the kids

2079
01:32:50.319 --> 01:32:51.840
sliding down on his butt.

2080
01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:54.760
But how did they electrocute him?

2081
01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:57.079
The head of the studio apologized to Kevin Kline at

2082
01:32:57.079 --> 01:32:59.840
the Golden Globes dinner for handling of the handling of

2083
01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:02.119
the film's release, as it was robbed by Titanic and

2084
01:33:02.159 --> 01:33:04.039
Full Monty, also premiering the same year.

2085
01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:07.439
I get that, like if, I mean, I feel like

2086
01:33:07.479 --> 01:33:09.920
it really occupies the same space as the Full Monty.

2087
01:33:10.119 --> 01:33:14.399
Yeah, exactly. The cinematographer Frederick Elms and Ang lead drew

2088
01:33:14.479 --> 01:33:18.279
inspiration via photorealistic painters they'd found from the nineteen seventies

2089
01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:21.279
that they used as inspiration for the film. Elms notes

2090
01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:23.439
the use of natural light and paintings were something they

2091
01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:25.239
kept in mind when it came to lighting scenes in

2092
01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:28.159
the film. He also noted that Janie's glasshouse played into

2093
01:33:28.199 --> 01:33:31.279
the photography of ice being heavy in reflection and transparency.

2094
01:33:31.640 --> 01:33:33.520
Elms also stated that he liked the way that Lee

2095
01:33:33.560 --> 01:33:35.840
would work with the frame, specifically leaving the camera in

2096
01:33:35.880 --> 01:33:37.800
place and having the actors work around the frame.

2097
01:33:38.119 --> 01:33:39.920
I love the way the film shot absolutely.

2098
01:33:40.520 --> 01:33:42.640
For the driving scenes with Maguire and Kline, the shooting

2099
01:33:42.680 --> 01:33:45.800
primarily took place in spring, so there is a removal

2100
01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:47.960
of some green. When doing the remaster for the film

2101
01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:50.119
to give more of a winter appearance, the shot was

2102
01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:52.119
done using a special camera box that sat on the

2103
01:33:52.159 --> 01:33:53.640
hood with white diffusion over it.

2104
01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:55.720
Hmm. Interesting.

2105
01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:58.319
Ang Lee wanted the iced to come across as a

2106
01:33:58.319 --> 01:34:00.279
metaphor for nature taking hold in the film.

2107
01:34:01.119 --> 01:34:02.439
That's exactly what I got from it.

2108
01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:05.399
Yeah. Moody loved the casting of Kevin Klein for Benjamin

2109
01:34:05.439 --> 01:34:07.600
to make him a sympathetic character, whereas in the book

2110
01:34:07.640 --> 01:34:10.079
he got more villainous moments apparently.

2111
01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:12.000
Ooh, I bet he had a mustatually twirled.

2112
01:34:12.199 --> 01:34:14.359
Natalie Gortman turned down the role of Wendy.

2113
01:34:16.479 --> 01:34:18.000
Damn yeah.

2114
01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:22.159
The film debuts Katie Holmes and Sarah Thompson and Christina

2115
01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:24.079
Riccie said that this was the first film that she

2116
01:34:24.119 --> 01:34:25.880
had done that she would actually want to see as

2117
01:34:25.880 --> 01:34:26.520
a moviegoer.

2118
01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:29.960
The difference fuck you Adams Family apparently.

2119
01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:31.840
Differences between the books of the movie. Unfortunately, I have

2120
01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:33.159
not read the book, so I was able to get

2121
01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:35.640
some of these notes. In the book, the Carver family

2122
01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:40.319
is named the Williamses the Williams. Wendy has sexual liaisons

2123
01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:42.640
with both female and males, including a rendezvous at a

2124
01:34:42.680 --> 01:34:44.720
graveyard and a public display with a girlfriend at a

2125
01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:45.439
slumber party.

2126
01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:50.479
Geez yeah. Final thoughts on The Ice Storm, Oh man,

2127
01:34:55.439 --> 01:34:58.760
I mean, I'm hmm. Now, I think it's kind of

2128
01:34:58.760 --> 01:35:01.640
an important film. Yeah, So I'm gonna say own it

2129
01:35:02.640 --> 01:35:07.640
because to me, what the ice storm the film and

2130
01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:12.720
the literal ice storm in the film represent is the

2131
01:35:12.760 --> 01:35:17.039
idea that there's something bigger than us at play, and

2132
01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:21.960
how dangerous it is to stop paying attention to what's

2133
01:35:22.079 --> 01:35:24.760
going on around you and become self absorbed. All of

2134
01:35:24.800 --> 01:35:28.119
the characters in this film, the main characters are self absorbed. Absolutely.

2135
01:35:28.159 --> 01:35:30.039
They don't really care about other people very much. They

2136
01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:32.000
don't really care about how they hurt other people or whatever.

2137
01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:34.319
They just care about getting what they want or being

2138
01:35:34.359 --> 01:35:38.199
afraid of losing what they don't want to lose. And

2139
01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:42.399
the fact is the entire film, there's references all around

2140
01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:44.840
them about this storm that's coming, it's going to turn

2141
01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:47.279
really bad, it's going to be super bad. Nobody gives

2142
01:35:47.279 --> 01:35:49.159
it much mind at all. They give it the least

2143
01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:50.279
amount of mind possible.

2144
01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:52.039
Literally, that one scene is just her being like, you

2145
01:35:52.039 --> 01:35:53.600
should take a cab home. It's gonna be dangerous.

2146
01:35:53.680 --> 01:35:57.680
Yeah, nobody decides to not go to the swingers party

2147
01:35:57.680 --> 01:36:00.560
because of the weather. Yeah, nobody decides not to go

2148
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:03.159
to the neighbor's house to fool around because of the weather.

2149
01:36:04.439 --> 01:36:05.720
And the weather wins.

2150
01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:06.920
We wins entirely.

2151
01:36:07.079 --> 01:36:10.279
And to me, the weather could be a metaphor for

2152
01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:12.680
any number of things that are outside of our own control.

2153
01:36:13.680 --> 01:36:17.119
And I think that Elijah Wood's character is dying is

2154
01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:23.640
really important to give perspective because as bad as Kevin

2155
01:36:23.680 --> 01:36:29.199
Klein's marriage is and everything, viscerally finding the dead child,

2156
01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:33.039
handing the child to its father, to his father, And

2157
01:36:33.079 --> 01:36:35.319
that scene is incredible because as he's handing him to him,

2158
01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:37.880
he's helping him lift the kid up. Yeah, and there,

2159
01:36:38.199 --> 01:36:41.279
and he's making they're they're entirely making eye contact. Yeah,

2160
01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:47.119
Klein is like sharing his pain. Absolutely So. Then when

2161
01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:49.279
he looks at his oldest son, who was the only

2162
01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:53.840
family member he couldn't confirm was okay, and he starts sobbing.

2163
01:36:55.039 --> 01:36:56.880
I think that's a moment where not only did he

2164
01:36:56.960 --> 01:37:01.159
realize what really matters, but he also realized what a

2165
01:37:01.159 --> 01:37:04.680
schmuck he was being. Yeah. Absolutely, And there are plenty

2166
01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:06.960
of schmucks in this film, you know, because you look

2167
01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:11.720
at the family that lost their son. Yeah, the Carvers

2168
01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:16.159
are also incredibly self absorbed. The kids are. The kids

2169
01:37:16.159 --> 01:37:18.840
are have this weird relationship between each other.

2170
01:37:19.000 --> 01:37:19.199
Yeah.

2171
01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:22.880
It's just a strange, very strange dichotomy.

2172
01:37:22.960 --> 01:37:23.479
Absolutely.

2173
01:37:24.279 --> 01:37:26.600
So. I don't know that I love the movie, So

2174
01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:28.319
I think that it's a by it. I think that

2175
01:37:28.399 --> 01:37:30.479
if you love movies, If you don't, why would you

2176
01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:33.720
listen to this goddamn show? If you love movies, this

2177
01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:37.760
is a movie that you should experience and and keep

2178
01:37:38.079 --> 01:37:40.640
in mind. So I'm going to give it a by it,

2179
01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:43.159
and I very seldom give by it. Yeah, so that's

2180
01:37:43.199 --> 01:37:43.600
my thought.

2181
01:37:43.720 --> 01:37:44.960
I'm going to give it a rent it with that

2182
01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:45.760
because you think.

2183
01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:47.039
That children dying is not a big deal.

2184
01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:48.359
No, I'm going to give it a rent it with

2185
01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:51.479
a byot caveat if you're a physical media collector that

2186
01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:53.399
like I said, the criteria editions load on this. But

2187
01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:55.399
the reason I say rent it is because it's not

2188
01:37:56.319 --> 01:37:57.920
unless you're people like us.

2189
01:37:58.000 --> 01:37:58.239
I don't.

2190
01:37:58.279 --> 01:38:00.119
I don't think it's a very I don't think any

2191
01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:01.880
people are going to come back to this film often.

2192
01:38:02.760 --> 01:38:04.920
I don't know. I mean, it has a lot to it.

2193
01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:06.600
It does, it does, but it also has a lot

2194
01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:11.119
of uncomfortable thematic elements to it. For that matter, I

2195
01:38:11.159 --> 01:38:13.159
think it's just one of those movies where the first

2196
01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:14.800
I mean like the first time we watched it, there

2197
01:38:14.840 --> 01:38:16.039
were also the parts of it was like, eh, this

2198
01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:18.720
is a little weird, But then on other viewings it's

2199
01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:21.239
just I mean, it's gotten so stronger. So I think

2200
01:38:21.279 --> 01:38:23.119
it's a movie that you at least have to see

2201
01:38:23.159 --> 01:38:25.119
if it turns out one to be that you love

2202
01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:28.000
awesome Yeah, absolutely get it for me. It's a rent

2203
01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:31.399
it though, because it's one of those movies that unless

2204
01:38:31.560 --> 01:38:34.800
you know what you're getting into, it may be a

2205
01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:37.119
little stifling with some of the content at first.

2206
01:38:37.479 --> 01:38:39.359
Yeah, I could. Okay, I can see that, I guess.

2207
01:38:39.479 --> 01:38:41.720
So that is my thoughts on it. We always like

2208
01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:43.760
them in the show. With a couple of recommendations as well.

2209
01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:46.079
My two this week. The first one the Big Chill

2210
01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:48.920
from nineteen eighty three, a group of seven former college

2211
01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:51.760
friends gather for a weekend reunion at South Carolina vacation

2212
01:38:51.840 --> 01:38:54.239
home after the funeral of another one of their college friends.

2213
01:38:54.439 --> 01:38:57.279
Cannot recommend this film enough. It's gotten better with each watch.

2214
01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:01.079
It's got a star studded cast including Jeff Goldbloom, Glenn Close,

2215
01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:03.880
William Hurt, a bunch of people in it. And my

2216
01:39:03.920 --> 01:39:06.920
second recommendation, I'm gonna do two thousand and threes Pieces

2217
01:39:06.920 --> 01:39:07.439
of April.

2218
01:39:08.199 --> 01:39:10.760
I love Pieces of April. That's a phenomenal film.

2219
01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:12.880
Yeah, Away Whard daughter invites her dying mother and the

2220
01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:14.800
rest of her a strange family to her apartment for

2221
01:39:14.880 --> 01:39:16.760
Thanksgiving dinner. If you want a film that's gonna tug

2222
01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:20.119
at the heartstrings, make you laugh and honestly pretty unpredictable

2223
01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:20.520
as well.

2224
01:39:20.800 --> 01:39:22.359
I would agree with that very very much.

2225
01:39:22.439 --> 01:39:25.239
Cannot recommend that movie enough and again Thanksgiving movie as well.

2226
01:39:25.319 --> 01:39:28.560
So what is your recommendation, you know, m I had

2227
01:39:28.600 --> 01:39:33.039
a few, a few thoughts, Yeah, but I think the

2228
01:39:33.079 --> 01:39:35.680
most obvious one to kind of stick with the theme

2229
01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:39.680
of ice and weather and everything Batman and Robin. No.

2230
01:39:41.640 --> 01:39:43.680
My first thought was Welcome to the Dollhouse, which we

2231
01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:45.920
had talked about a lot, yeah, last week. It's a

2232
01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:50.640
very uncomfortable story about getting older, directed by Todd Solanas.

2233
01:39:51.199 --> 01:39:53.279
The description they give an IMDb is an awkward seventh

2234
01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:56.439
greater struggles to cope with an inattent with inattentive parents,

2235
01:39:56.520 --> 01:39:59.479
snobbish classmates, a smart older brother, an attractive younger sister,

2236
01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:02.560
and her own insecurities. And suburban New Jersey. So it's

2237
01:40:02.600 --> 01:40:07.399
got that element of coastalness, it's got a lot of

2238
01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:11.640
it's all about the uncomfortableness of the age and everything

2239
01:40:11.680 --> 01:40:14.800
and coming of age. So that's one that I really

2240
01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:19.039
really think kind of fits that mindset. But there's another

2241
01:40:19.159 --> 01:40:22.640
film that stuck in my craw as a movie I

2242
01:40:22.680 --> 01:40:26.199
wanted to recommend that I never get the chance to recommend,

2243
01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:32.479
and it's twenty thirteen's Nebraska Fair, directed by Alexander Payne.

2244
01:40:32.600 --> 01:40:35.239
And that's another film. It's about coming of age, but

2245
01:40:35.279 --> 01:40:37.840
in a very different way. It's about it's about becoming

2246
01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:43.279
middle aged. It's about your parents becoming elderly. And I

2247
01:40:43.399 --> 01:40:46.399
love that movie fantastic, and I think that Nebraska would

2248
01:40:46.439 --> 01:40:50.199
be an interesting double feature to really just destroy you

2249
01:40:50.239 --> 01:40:54.159
and make you you don't want to be dead. So no,

2250
01:40:54.199 --> 01:40:56.239
but I would say those are those are my suggestions.

2251
01:40:56.399 --> 01:40:59.279
As far as Nebraska. The description is an aging booze

2252
01:40:59.279 --> 01:41:02.479
addled father makes the trip from Montana to Nebraska with

2253
01:41:02.640 --> 01:41:05.279
his strange son in order to claim a million dollar

2254
01:41:05.359 --> 01:41:09.520
mega sweepstake's marketing prize. So it's way better than that description.

2255
01:41:09.640 --> 01:41:11.760
Absolutely is. So would you like to know what we

2256
01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:13.239
are talking about next week?

2257
01:41:13.399 --> 01:41:13.960
Absolutely?

2258
01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:14.079
Not?

2259
01:41:14.239 --> 01:41:17.000
Well, too bad, because ladies and gentlemen, it is our

2260
01:41:17.159 --> 01:41:21.119
fiftieth episode of do Even Movie Wow, and it is

2261
01:41:21.439 --> 01:41:24.239
nearly our year anniversary, so we are kind of going

2262
01:41:24.279 --> 01:41:26.960
back to where it started with another Thanksgiving movie that

2263
01:41:27.039 --> 01:41:30.920
we found not found together, but we embraced as buds,

2264
01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:33.680
and that is nineteen ninety one's Dutch.

2265
01:41:34.159 --> 01:41:35.880
Yeah. No, I love Dutch.

2266
01:41:35.960 --> 01:41:37.119
Yeah, it's gonna be a fun one.

2267
01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:39.439
I'm so glad I bought that Blu ray when it

2268
01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:42.640
was like ten bucks print. Although now it's it's finally

2269
01:41:42.800 --> 01:41:45.039
available for people to watch. Yea le somewhat. I don't

2270
01:41:45.039 --> 01:41:47.359
know if it's still on Max like it was. Actually,

2271
01:41:47.359 --> 01:41:47.960
I'm gonna check.

2272
01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:49.079
Actually, let me check too.

2273
01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:52.880
I really want to put Dutch film. It's like Dutch films.

2274
01:41:54.640 --> 01:41:56.479
I think it was, at least I hope it was.

2275
01:41:57.239 --> 01:41:59.319
Uh oh, it looks like it might not be anywhere again.

2276
01:42:02.479 --> 01:42:02.960
I'm checking.

2277
01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:09.439
We we're bad at this. It's nowhere again as far

2278
01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:15.800
as I can tell. So sorry, everybody else. Survey says,

2279
01:42:16.560 --> 01:42:17.640
and just checked there.

2280
01:42:17.800 --> 01:42:20.680
Did check the damn it.

2281
01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:21.600
Yeah you're right.

2282
01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:24.159
Well, and get a copy of Dutch.

2283
01:42:24.199 --> 01:42:26.640
Oh shut up, it's worth watching. It's a phenomenal film.

2284
01:42:26.680 --> 01:42:27.159
So well.

2285
01:42:27.199 --> 01:42:28.880
It will forgive a full recap of it too.

2286
01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:31.600
So yeah, oh well yeah we will. So before we

2287
01:42:31.640 --> 01:42:33.319
get out of here and I can rest my poor

2288
01:42:33.359 --> 01:42:40.600
goddamn voice. We got an email from Tim Smith. He

2289
01:42:40.760 --> 01:42:42.199
and if you want to emails, you can email us

2290
01:42:42.199 --> 01:42:45.159
at do you have a movie Pod at gmail dot com. Uh.

2291
01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:49.880
His message says says I'd love to see you guys

2292
01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:53.399
review the below movies. They all take me back to

2293
01:42:53.439 --> 01:42:55.880
the eighties when I was six or under. All of

2294
01:42:55.920 --> 01:42:59.479
these I watch on repeat. First, up, Little Monsters with

2295
01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:00.319
the Savage Brothers.

2296
01:43:00.399 --> 01:43:01.760
I need to I need. I've got the Blue writ

2297
01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:03.039
I need to revisit it. It's been a while.

2298
01:43:03.159 --> 01:43:05.159
I was obsessed with Little Monsters when I was a kid.

2299
01:43:05.239 --> 01:43:07.960
Honeying movie Teen Wolf and teen Wolf too.

2300
01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:08.960
Never seen him?

2301
01:43:09.680 --> 01:43:12.640
You've never seen teen Wolf? Shit?

2302
01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:15.159
I know, I know that's that is a blind spot

2303
01:43:15.159 --> 01:43:15.439
for me.

2304
01:43:16.600 --> 01:43:21.880
Wow, I know Mac and me. Oh that's a Howard

2305
01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:22.319
the Duck.

2306
01:43:22.520 --> 01:43:23.039
Oh God.

2307
01:43:23.479 --> 01:43:26.000
And tough Turf, Tough turf. Fuck yeah?

2308
01:43:26.479 --> 01:43:29.800
Has he recommended tough turf before because we had somebody has? Yeah,

2309
01:43:29.880 --> 01:43:31.680
Tough Turf is definitely coming into the show because I

2310
01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:32.520
got to show it to you.

2311
01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:32.960
Uh.

2312
01:43:33.079 --> 01:43:34.840
But I also just got the Blu Ray recently, and

2313
01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:36.840
I love that movie. I also have the soundtrack on

2314
01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:39.039
not only on cassette tape, but I also have the vinyl.

2315
01:43:40.479 --> 01:43:43.800
Yeah, yeah, I love that sound He's not done. I

2316
01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:47.239
love the podcast and watched many movies that I've either

2317
01:43:47.319 --> 01:43:50.680
never got to or haven't heard of. Recent favorite was Cobweb.

2318
01:43:50.760 --> 01:43:54.359
Oh hell yeah, keep up the awesome job and stay spooky, Tim.

2319
01:43:54.560 --> 01:43:56.920
We absolutely will Tim, And yeah, Tough Turf will be

2320
01:43:56.920 --> 01:43:59.960
coming to the show. Little Monster is definitely a possibility.

2321
01:44:00.039 --> 01:44:01.960
It's been a loss. I've seen it and I used

2322
01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:02.920
to really love that movie.

2323
01:44:03.000 --> 01:44:04.319
I adored it when I was a kid. I'd be

2324
01:44:04.439 --> 01:44:07.880
down to revisit it, but all of that will be

2325
01:44:07.960 --> 01:44:12.479
after the holiday season. And on that note, I feel nauseous,

2326
01:44:12.560 --> 01:44:14.600
so we're gonna get out of here. Thank you guys

2327
01:44:14.640 --> 01:44:16.479
for hanging out with us on Do You Even Movie?

2328
01:44:16.880 --> 01:44:18.600
Like we said, you can find more info about us

2329
01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:22.479
at dooevenmovie dot com. Until next time, we will see

2330
01:44:22.479 --> 01:44:25.640
you next Tuesday or next I storm. Oh god,