The Ice Harvest (2005): Dark Christmas Neo-Noir

0:00 Charlie just stole two million dollars. In fact, the cat that swallowed the canary. But between the partner he can't trust, don't. A scoliolinist, stick to the plant. Don't talk, the woman he can't resist, the friend he can't avoid, and the mobster he's trying to escape. Anybody but a lawyer would consider the consequences getting out of turn and will. Be slippery going somewhere, mister Argus. The ice harvest straight at are. In a world where podcasts reign supreme. Two friends dare to ask.

0:41 Do You Even? Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David de Noyer. Spoiler alert, Hello my friends, and welcome back to Do You Even Movie and a very Christmasy Do you Even movie? For a change of pace from the last two episodes, Yeah, correct, yes, yes, yes, I am of course your host Enrique Kuto here with my good buddy and co host double D David Denier.

1:27 Holidays again. Well okay, so just erase Christmas, just like you didn't dress Christmasy. Now you won't even say the word for those who are listening. I just realized that sounds bizarre. Dave is wearing a Santa hat with a chrome skull on the front in celebration of the film Chrome Skull. Chrome Skull Laid to Rest too. Well, you would know that what I would because of that and your T shirt, which has some kind of a mutant. It's bubbles bounce. It's a what bumble snow bubble from Rudolph. Oh okay, I thought it was an abominable snowman. No, it's a bumble. Oh, I am sorry that I asked.

2:07 So. I hope everybody is doing very, very well and having a good holiday season so far. Dave and I just had a little excursion to the movie Theatra. We did, and it's actually been three excursions this week because we opened it by seeing the four K transfer a Black Christmas. Oh yeah, we did. Yeah, because AGFA and Shout took it out this past week for the fiftieth anniversary of Black Christmas and had two showtimes for it. Really really, oh man, that was so it was so much fun seeing that movie on the big screen. Finally, it was very cool to see it on the very large movie theater screen, and it was just cool because there aren't a lot of this year. I haven't noticed a ton of exciting Christmas revival screenings.

2:52 I haven't really seen any. Yeah yeah, I haven't seen like Scrooged or anything being taunted or taunted, trapesed around. I know. Nightmarefore, Chris miss is back, and I feel like that's always It's always back. But I feel I think that, and I feel like a Christmas story, if not a Chris Christi Vacation is doing some stuff right now. So I think Christmas Vacation has been taken around a bit. Because I'm actually seeing it Tuesday. Oh well then that would make sense. Yeah. Well, I mean that's at my local theater in Troy. Oh right, yeah what yeah, just abandoning your buddy. We're going the next day? Yeah, are we? I thought, so that's what the plan said. Well, but today we went and finally caught Red One, Yes, the new Christmas action comedy starring JK. Simmons, Dwayne the Rock, Johnson.

3:41 And Evans and Chris Evans, Lucy lou people. I mean those three starring. Yeah, well Lucy losing in a good amount. A decent amount amount, but uh, just about as much as JK. Simmons is in it. But Simmons plays Santa. Not realize how much in my life I needed a JK. Simmons Santa movie until seeing it today I could. I mean fair enough and all, he plays Santa pretty well. I mean, he'll never top for me mel Gibson because that's my favorite Santa Claus depiction of all time. But going in with Fat Man, I will say, in comparison to Red One, I realized also how much I love north Pole world building. Like there's so many variations of it, from the Christmas Chronicles to The Fat Man to Red One. I just love the north Pole world building that they do in some of these movies.

4:26 Yeah, I mean it obviously was probably my favorite part of Red One. I mentioned when we were watching it that it was kind of like Christmas Men in Black because there was a very big focus on technology with an underpinning of magic. Yeah, and a lot about the secrecy, the technology of secrecy. One of the first things you learn as the film is starting is that the North Pole facilities are behind a kind of cloaking device so that it can't be seen when people are traveling. They call it the Dome, which reminds me very much of kind of a Men in the black kind of thing. Yeah, And when they go to a toy store and he takes into the back room and they go through a teleportion portal and he's just like, how are we here now?

5:06 And he just goes toy store toy stores and he's like, I'm gonna need more info than that as he's just walking away. So and the rock plays basically Santa's number one security guard. Santa gets kidnapped, and then we get a wild romp through all kinds of Christmas mythology. Yeah, Crampus makes an appearance. It is really so much a lot of fun. It was so much fun, and you and I both were you know, we'd seen trailers of it because we go to the movies as often as we do, and I just didn't feel like the trailers were grabbing me. But like literally, within like the first ten minutes of sitting down in that theater, that I knew we were in for a treat. Well, we caught it in a crowded theater full of families too, which is weird because the box office hasn't been that good. But we went in the middle of the day on a Saturday and.

5:49 It was pat nearly sold out. I think you said, well, no, it was nearly sold out. Yeah. When I got our tickets, the entire front row was available, and when we got there, I don't think there was any seats available. The one next week because the girl was laying across it. Well she didn't want to be close to you. That's fair. I yeah, I think it's the fairest decision there is. So but no Red One super super fun, a little spicy on the PG thirteen scale. A lot of language, yeah, but a lot of. Scares, yeah, but a lot Well what new to christ scary images again? Are you new to Christmas? Well? I just yeah, I mean yeah, there. It's a ghost holidays. Yeah. So but no, it was really really fun. Highly recommend folks go and check it out if you like that kind of big budget action movie but with a massive Christmas twist.

6:38 Yeah. I had a great time the entire time. I think it was worth it alone just to see the scenes between the Rock and JK. Simmons in the beginning talking about Christmas and the meeting to each other like that was so heartfelt and so beautiful. That was pretty damn good. Well, it pretty much establishes the entire yeah plot. No absolutely does. So yeah, Red One we definitely would give a bit thumbs up too, for sure. Yes, definitely, definitely a great film. So the other one we saw and which which happened just to be starting like three minutes after Red One it ended. Yeah, we were sitting there as the credits were rolling and it was four fifty one pm. Yeah, and then you picked up your phone and went, hey, why two K is showing at four to fifty five. That is correct?

7:18 So I was like, so then I went huh And then a minute later I was like, I bought our tickets. Yeah, So we went and saw Why two K, which, at the time we're recording this, this is the uh the opening weekend. Opening weekend, yep, yeah, and y two K for those who aren't aware, is basically the story of it is nineteen ninety nine, we're shifting into the year two thousand and then at two thousand all the electronics go online to basically not into humanity. We kind of think it does. But although the goal is to annihilate annihilate humans, that also make us their servants. Yeah, well not servants. They were using us as battery, yeah, vessels until we die. Yeah yeah. Yeah. So kind of borrowing from the matrix. Actually, yeah, I mean it was basically Maximum Overdrive meets Can't Hardly Wait? Is how I just it?

8:00 Yeah, that's pretty pretty accurate. Yeah, but it was a lot of fun. Fred Durst is in it and has a bigger role than many would expect. Well, no, no, fred Durst is in it as Fred Durt Fred Durst. That is the point that needs to be mentioned. Yeah, it made me feel older than dirt because they're constantly nostalgia mining the nineties. Oh yeah. The only positive is all the kids are supposed to be seniors in high school in nineteen ninety nine, which, thank goodness, makes them a solid six or seven years older than I would be. So they were a lot more gen X, which made me feel vaguely less old. Although there's a part where fred Durst starts singing Faith Faith, Yeah, and as he's doing it, you leaned over to me and you were like, I think they actually Olympus actually covered fit. And I looked at you. I was like, yeah, it was like a charting song, was I was.

8:52 I caught on to him late after that. Well, David, you were born in nineteen ninety two. Yeah, and Nookie was my introduction to olymp Biscuit. Well yeah, but but also it was probably not when it was brand spanking new. No, of course not. Yeah, that's that's kind of my My point is in nineteen ninety nine, I was like thirteen, twelve, thirteen, so I was I would hear olymp Biscuit. I watched MTV. I watched Psiatic when you were seven. Oh yeah, my babysitter loved it. That explains all your problems. I'm sure it does. Yeah. No, my sister and I grew up watching TRL at our babysitters house. That ruins you kids. I don't think it did. Do you Even movie? Will be right back, welcome back to do You Even?

9:44 Movie? But no, it was uh it was fun. I I I from the trailers, did not realize it was just it was a comedy. Yeah. I thought it was a horror movie that was like a little funny. So that the only part I was a little disappointed by. I'm just you can love horror comedies all you want, they're just not generally my jam Well. They lean I think in regards to Y two K, it leans heavier into the nostalgia than it does kind of storytelling and because it felt like a lot of things just started happening towards the end. Well, one of my biggest problems with most horror comedies, if I want to get into the weeds on this a little bit, is a lot of horror comedies still try to tell an interesting story and still try to bring to draw you in, which is good, but then they do things like give you a character you're supposed to care about, but then kill them in a silly way.

10:37 And for me, and again you can like that, for me, it kind of like splits me because then I'm like, I'm supposed to laugh at them dying, but you just made me care not want them to. Die, which happened multiple times in Y two K. It happened a lot to me. There were a lot of moments where there was one moment where a certain character decides to fight Robot and it's very clear he's going to die, and none of his friends even go. What are you doing? Don't do it? They just watch him get. As he swallows a bunch of drugs and then goes into fight movie. And they watch him just literally like basically charge up and then just get slaughtered without any effort of the yeah and whatsoever, and so stuff like that kind of throws me. It's why I like a movie like Sean of the Dead works great for me. I'm not even a huge Sean of the Dead fan, but it's a great example of horror comedy, very very funny.

11:29 Is your favorite Hot Fuzz out of the three? Oh yeah, fuzz that get into Hot Fuzz is an excellent film. It was last year that I actually revisited the World's End and really liked it because the first time I saw I wasn't big fan of it. On a second watch, really really enjoyed that movie. Sure, sure, and yeah, so not trying to pooh pooh horror comedies. I think one of my favorite more which isn't that recent, but one of my favorite more recent horror comedies is Tucker and Dale Versus Evil. Of course they did that phenomenally well. But yeah, sometimes you get a horror comedy and either they make it so silly there's nothing to really worry about, yeah, which you know, when there's no suspense, it's a little hard to be in. Or they do what Y two K did quite a bit, which is give you serious characters. You're worried about but then kill them the goofy way. Yeah, And and that was the problem I had with that. Did you ever watch that Jacqueline Killer Jack Lantern movie on Hulu?

12:21 Not Gords. I can't remember what the hell it was called, But no, I didn't get I didn't get around to you. Fortunately. One of my biggest complaints with that was that they played some death scenes for laughs after they like worked really hard to make you feel like those characters were human. Yeah, and then I'm like, I'm supposed to laugh at that guy's severed head. You just told me like how he loved his mother and was was gonna get married, and then I'm supposed to laugh at his severate head. I maybe I'm too old. In fact, I guarantee it. I don't know, but I didn't hate Why two K. It had a lot of fun stuff to enjoy. I thought most of the characters were pretty solid. Yeah. The nostalgia was so plentiful. That I think in so many nineties jams the entire time, I it. Made me grown eventually because it was so much so constant. Yeah, but it was a cool element. It was fun. Sometimes it felt like it felt there were moment scenes where it felt like a siren live skit.

13:10 Oh, it absolutely did. But then it just kept going. Yeah, so, and you only caught one inaccuracy, which was the camera that she had at the end. Oh, that was the only one that was glaring. Yeah. No, I wasn't trying to like, Eh, they didn't have that in nineteen ninety nine. But at the end, a character picks up a cam quarter, a new cam quarter to her, and I owned that exact cam quarter. Was the first professional video camera I ever bought. Yeah, it was a Cannon GL two that came out in three or four, because I bought it when it was relatively new. The GL one was the camera that might have been available in ninety nine. Fair and unfortunately they look very.

13:51 Different, very different. The GL one was like a little bit more rickety and clunky looking, and the GL two was very sleek and smoothed out. And I shot a hole. I shot my first feature film on that exact camera, So I thought I was like, there were no GL twos in nineteen ninety nine. For those unaware. One of the best things about watching movie Enrique is is it the best. Sometimes he loves to point out when the improper microphones and or cameras are used in films that are either period p I would say period pieces, or meant to be in a specific point. So I googled it. Uh huh, so I'm still right. Yeah, but the GL two actually came out in two thousand and one. Ah, so it was less usual yeah than I thought. Yeah, but that means the GL one was definitely available in that timeframe. I still have it. It doesn't exact camera, you're absolutely oh yeah, it doesn't function anymore, but I still have it somewhere.

14:44 Oh yeah, behind us. Actually no, but it will end up out here someday. Fair. But yeah, I mean I knew that camera backwards and forwards. I shot, I shot a feature, and I shot dozens of shorts, music videos, commercials, everything. It was the first professional cam quarter I ever owned, because I could not afford the DVX one hundred, which was what everybody was getting. But it was one thousand dollars more, makes sense, so I could not think, yeah, you're like, yeah, you were pretty poor. No, I more so was saying the thousand dollars more cameras are expensive. Well, I mean they've barely gotten more expensive. They've actually have gotten cheaper in general. Same with TVs. TVs have just gotten that's not even.

15:26 A fair comparison. TVs have gotten obscenely cheaper. Did you see that there's like a I think it's a Is it a ninety inch that's like only fifteen hundred at Walmart right now? It's probably not a ninety inch, it's probably an eighty Okay. I thought it was either a ninety year old. Because nineties require special delivery, special mounting, special everything. I know. Really it was a huge fucking TV. Well, I don't doubt I've bought I bought or I didn't buy. I I saw a sixty five inch TV at Walmart. I think it was probably three hundred and eighty dollars. Yeah, and it's it's four k all that crap. My fifty inch TV that's in my bedroom that I bought ten years ago was like seven hundred dollars. My god when I bought it, and it wasn't even a name brand. Yeah, you know, so like, yeah, technology is always trending down. I was actually thinking about that the other day because the first speaking of the first camera ever for on the first computer I ever edited on was thirty six hundred dollars, damn. And it was not even the top of the line. That was just like what I could get that was cheap. It was an educational Macintosh. It was discounted. It was an iMac but it was labeled eMac. And now it's like I just bought a souped up Mac Mini with all of it upgraded all the way, and it didn't even cross twenty two hundred dollars.

16:39 The first PC I ever edited on had a Pinnacle on it as the editing software. Yeah, the non Mac people were it was Pinnacle and it was Vegas. Yeah, Pinnacles that we had in high school for Brockast journalism. Jeez, we didn't even have a video when I when I was in school, we had to carve things into stone and then you'd stamp it with a dinosaur is a dynas or bird facts and then and then uh, Spaceley sprockets. Like you ready to talk about today's movie? By chance? What movie this movie? Folks today? Hold on, no, no, no, no, no no no no, hold on. I don't want anyone to hurt themselves. Okay, so please sit down, because this film is not from the nineties.

17:29 It is not. It is not from the nineties. Now hold for them to catch their breath after they've fallen over. Whoa, whoa. In fact, none of our movies left four this month or nineties. None of the two, none of the two, None of the two, none, none, neither all of the next two, all of the next two are not nineties. So tonight's film is the two thousand and five neo noir thriller that is highly underseen. Oh my god, so much. Uh, The Ice Harvest, Yes, it is a film. I believe you introduce me too. Yeah, you you had found it and I had already seen it, which I'll get into in a second. But this was one that we rediscovered what probably about five years ago now somewhere in that Nabor beMore and has just become I think I think we revisited it last year with friends, and then we're doing on the show this year, so I think we've watched it like the last three years in a row.

18:17 Well, having a feel good Christmas movie to share with your friends is important. You gotta do what you gotta do. So The Ice Harvest from two thousand and five, one hour and thirty two minutes Rted R for violence, language and sexuality slash nudity. Why does it have to have any language at all? Any language? Why should they speak? The director of the film is mister Harold Ramis. He of course is the director of Caddyshack in nineteen eighty National Lampoon's Vacation. He was also a writer on Caddyshack. Mind You. Also is the director of Club Paradise in eighty six, which he wrote on Groundhog Day in ninety three, which he wrote Stuart Saves His Family in nineteen ninety five. Well the only one people. Remember, Multiplicity in ninety six. He also directs Analyzed This in nineteen ninety nine, which he writes on the Dazzled remake and two thousand, which he's a writer on Analyze That in two thousand and two, the Ice Harvest Atlanta Year one, The Office. He was also a writer on Animal House, Meatballs, Stripes, SCTV, Ghostbusters, and Back to School, the Roddy Dangerfield movie.

19:14 Well, he's likely most famous for being doctor Venkman Egon or Egon Damn yeah, Egon on Ghostbusters. That is correct. I think that that's what most people will immediately remember, and then, of course whether they know he directed it or not. Groundhog Day is probably his most famous directory. I can't imagine any of the other ones are even half as famous. As far as directing, He's written on dozens of like classic films, but as far as directing, Groundhog Day was his big one. People still watch it all the time, ironically, they watch it again and again ironically enough. But no, Harold ramis hell of a filmmaker. I always forget him as the dad. Is it knocked up? Where he's where he is? Oh god, I can think his named Seth Rogan's dad or is it this is it?

20:00 Wasn't this? As forty passed by, then it's either. I think I think it is knocked up. I think he plays Seth Rogan's dad and knocked up. If I'm not, I think you're no. No, I think you're right. Yeah, I will say. He unfortunately did leave us back in February twenty fourth of twenty fourteen from complications from an autoimmune inflammatory of asculitis. Is what it says on the thing. Yeah, unfortunately, very he got very ill and passed away. But I was so happy to spoilers see his return in Ghostbusters Afterlife. Oh I spoil in a like six year old movie now or something. I mean the sequel is out now, yes, but no, he's a phenomenal film. Yeah, he is the dad knocked Out. It was the father in knocked Own. Yeah, God, I always forget I love I love that movie. Yeah, I didn't didn't connect with me when I first watched it, But the second time I watched it, like four years later, I loved it.

20:42 Four year Old Virgin took about four or five years to connect with me. Yeah. I watched both that and Knocked Up with my parents for the first time. And so then it took until I was in college for me to revisit because my roommate had a copy of it on DVD, and I revisited forty year Old Virgin and fucking loved it. You're a dork, I don't know. I mean, if I saw forty year old version opening weekend, remember you telling me this? Yes, and it was. It like changed my brain. I had never seen a movie that made me laugh so many times per minute. Yeah, as forty year old at that time. Yeah, that was the beginning of kind of the Judd Apatow effect on comedy films. No matter how many times I see that movie, I always forget the ending credits with the Age of Aquarius.

21:23 Everyone forgets. Yeah, do you Even? Movie will be right back. Welcome back to do You Even? Movie? So going back to The Guy's Harvest at one of our writers on the film who wrote the novel is author Scott Phillips. He wrote Ice Harvest in two thousand, The walk Away in two thousand and two, Cottonwood two thousand and four, The Adjustment twenty twelve, Rake and thirteen that Left Turn at Albuquerque in twenty twenty, and most recently has a novel came out that The Devil Raises his Own in twenty twenty four.

22:04 Wow. He also for screenplay not only The Ice Harvest two thousand and five, but before that wrote cross Cut in nineteen ninety five, that mobster lumberjack movie that I brought up while back. Oh okay, I mean it All roads lead back to something or other. We also have two screenwriters on the film as well, starting with Robert Benton, who wrote Bonnie and Clyde in nineteen sixty seven, There was a Crooked Man in nineteen seventy, What's Up Doc? In seventy two, o Calcutta in seventy two, Bad Company, It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's Superman in nineteen seventy five, The Late Show in seventy seven, Superman in seventy eight, Kramer Versus Kramer, which he also directs on in seventy nine, Still of the Night in nineteen eighty two, which he's a director on, Places in the Heart in eighty four, which he's a director on, Nadine in eighty seven, which he's also a director on, Nobody's Full in nineteen ninety four, which he's also the director.

22:49 On which I recently discovered, YEP, and fucking love Nobody's Full and phenomenal film. Off of that, Twilight in nineteen ninety eight, which he's the director on, which is a noir. I need to show you that you'll probably then he does The Ice Harvest in two thousand and five. Our second writer, or could be a third writer on the film is Richard Russo, who writes for episode of Monsters in nineteen eighty nine, Nobody's Full in nineteen ninety four, Twilight ninety eight, The Flamingo Rising two thousand and one, Brushed with Fate two thousand and three, Empire Falls TV Series in two thousand and five, The Ice Harvest and O five, Keeping Mom in two thousand and five, and Lucky Hank most recently in twenty twenty three. Oh wow, he still working. Yeah. Our cinematographer on the film is a lar Keyvlow. He gets his start in nineteen eighty two with nine to eighty four Prisoner of the Future, Copper Mountain eighty Cavillo.

23:34 Yeah, there's another Illa. Okay, yep, Sorry, I just say that's a harder name. Dah in nineteen eighty eight, Heads in ninety four, Avalanche in ninety four, Friends at Last in ninety five, Gotti the Good Version in nineteen ninety six, Weapons of Mass Distraction in ninety seven, A Simple Plan in ninety eight. He's the cinematographer on. Apparently he works well with Snow and Billy Bob Thornton. Deep in My Heart in ninety nine, Frequency in two thousand, The Glasshouse in two thousand and one. I love that movie too, Heart's War in two thousand and two, Normal Aurora Borealis in two thousand and five, The Ice Harvest in two thousand and five, The Lake House in two thousand and six. Oh, okay, The Lookout in two thousand and seven, Taking Chance in two thousand and nine, Year Nine in two thousand and nine, So he worked with Ramis again, Blindside in two thousand and nine, Bad Teacher in twenty eleven, The Lucky One twenty twelve, The Choice Story of a Girl, Napoli Ever After in twenty eighteen, The Broken Hearts Gallery, and Space Out of the in twenty twenty two.

24:27 Ah still working, Yeah. Moving on down to our ow D synopsis. It says a shady lawyer attempts a Christmas Eve crime, hoping to swindle the local mob out of some money, but his partner, a strip club owner, might have different plans for the cash. That's pretty solid. My synopsis says a shady lawyer in his associates steal two million dollars from a Kansas City mob boss on Christmas Eve, setting off a chain of events, leaving everyone to ask who can you trust? Hmmm, which one's boom now? Davey, I think call calling him a strip club owner. That alone pretty weak. Yeah, the mob elements really important. Yeah, so Dave all right?

25:07 That one that'll do pig. I will tell them. Taglines include thick thieves, thin ice I like that one and then the second one twas the Night before Christmas, Focus Features, Focus Features indeed was. That was the that was the best you could Okay. The Ice Harvest is currently available to rent on Prime Fendego at home or wherever you get your videos at It is not currently streaming for free anywhere right now. It's not streaming with a membership or with ads. That is correct. Moon. Out of our cast, we have John Cusack, who plays Charlie Argolis in the film He Gets to Start in Class in nineteen eighty three, moves on to sixteen candles in eighty four, Grand View USA, The Sure Thing, Better Off Dead in nineteen eighty five, stand by Me One Crazy Summer Broadcast, News, Say Anything in eighty nine, The Grifters, The Player in nineteen eighty two, Hey Money for Nothing in ninety three, Bullets Over Broadway, City Hall, Gross point Blank in ninety seven, the same year he does con Air Midnight in the Guarding Good and Evil in ninety seven, as well, The Thin Red Line being John Malkovich High Fidelity adaptation where he plays himself.

26:13 I love adaptation. Adaptation is So Good Identity in two thousand and three Runaway Jury, The Ice Harvest fourteen oh eight, War Inc. Twenty twelve, In two thousand and nine, Hot Tub Time Machine in twenty ten, The Raven Lee Daniels, The Butler in twenty thirteen, Drive Hard in twenty fourteen, Hot Tub Time Machine two, Sell Utopia, and most recently Decoded in twenty twenty four. His resume is huge, by the way. Well it's there was a joke for a while, especially after that one, uh Drive Hard, Drive Hard, Yeah, that you know he had like gambling debts or something because he was just appearing in all these lower budget movies, which. Was done by how David what's his name? That did Leprechawn three and four. Brian Smith. Brian he directed Drive Hard, Drive, Heart's Fun sim and Thomas Jane. It actually is really fun, like a collateral kind of thing almost. Billy Bob Thornton also on the cast, who plays Vic Cavanaugh. He gets to start in nineteen eighty six with Hunter's Blood, Going Overboard in eighty nine, Chopper Chicks and Zombie Town in nineteen eighty nine.

27:06 The Only One that Matters. The Dark Backwards in ninety one, One False Move in ninety one, Knots Landing, trouble Bound Blood in Blood, Outbound by Honor in ninety three, and Decent Proposal Tombstone on Deadly Ground, which he is great and on. Deadly Ground, Yeah, no, is he is worth spotting? Yeah in that film, dead. Man in ninety five, Sling Blade in ninety six, Ellen U Turn, Primary Colors, Armageddon A Simple Plan, The Man Who Wasn't There, Bandits Monsters Ball in two thousand and one, Waking Up in Reno in two thousand and two, which I'm dying to see. It's him and Patrick Swayze in a polyamorous story apparently. The fuck Yeah, I'm interested. In Toleral Cruelty in two thousand and three, Love Actually, Bad Santa, The Alamo, Friday Night Lights, Bad News Bear's remake, which is the same year as The Ice Harvest that he does, School for Scoundrels in two thousand and six, which I saw in theaters, Oh Look at You, and Mister Woodcock in two thousand and seven, followed by EAGLEYE Faster, The Baytown Outlaws, Park The Judge in twenty fourteen, The Entourage movie, Are Brandess, Crisis, Bad Santa two Fargo TV series which I cannot recommend Enough, especially his first season's really good. They're all good, but the first season really Yeah.

28:11 His character is insane in Fargo season one, very very good. Also recommended Goliath in twenty sixteen, The Gray Man in twenty twenty two, and most recently is on Landman twenty twenty four this year, which. I've been watching and I like it quite a bit. That's on Paramount Plus. Gotta check that out. Wrapping up our cast is Connie Nielsen, who plays for not a Crest in the film. She gets her start in nineteen eighty five in the Arcadia music video for Election Day. Goes on to be in Voyage in ninety three, The Devil's Advocate in ninety seven, Permanent Midnight, Rushmore Soldier, Mission to Mars, Gladiator one Hour, Photo Demon Lover, The Hunted in two thousand and three, Basic in two thousand and three, Return to Cinder does the Ice Harvest in two thousand and five, followed by Lawn Order SVU, A Shine of Rainbows, Perfect Sense, Boss Nimphomaniac Volume one, Three Days to Kill the following, The Good Wife, Stratton, Wonder Woman, Justice League, FBI, I Am the Night Sea, Fever, Wonder Woman nineteen eighty four, Nobody, which he played his wife in.

29:05 Oh Okay Yeah, Ocean. Deep in twenty twenty three, Roleplay in twenty twenty four, and most recently in Gladiator Too twenty twenty four. Hey, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it either. Very curious but not that curious. Ah harsh, harsh, but fair. So what was your first time seeing The Ice Harvest? It was a few years back when, I guess I do remember. I think I found it on like one of those lists of Christmas time you read it on Prime, I want to say, yeah, and uh, I remember we put it on and you had seen it before. I don't know how long it had been, probably about a decade, but it was it was fun. I was most impressed by q sacks depiction. I felt like he was cast perfectly because Cusacks thing is kind of this oddly disinterested but actually interested. I don't know how else to describe it.

29:53 He's very nineties slacker, yea, even as he's gotten much older, he just has this way about him. But I thought the combination of him and Billy Bob Thornton is great. But the combination of him and Oliver Platt is is exquisite, so good because there because their styles could not be further apart. Because where Cusack is somewhat detached, Oliver Platt plays his characters like not only are they real and exist in the world of the film, but he's also like partially on fire. Yeah, that's a great way to play. Yeah, he's he's so over the top, but in a believable way.

30:36 There's multiple scenes of the film where he gets hurt, and I think he deserves it every single time. Yeah. I think the greatest role I've ever seen Oliver Platt in is in the TV series Huff. I like him in The Big Sea. Well, I've not seen that one, but I will say but but I remember when I saw him in Huff. I was like, you know why, he's perfect because I think that if you had if like, let's say, there was a gun to your head, you had to type cast Oliver Platt, even though I don't think he deserves to be type caste but you were like, what is he born to play coked up lawyer? Yeah? Yeah, and that's when he plays in huff. He's also really good the bear. Oh oh oh, yes, he's the uncle. Yeah, he's a great actor. Yeah, but I felt like, especially the younger era Oliver Platt, coked up lawyer is like he's like built for it. Yeah, he's just of that overbearingness, but he's not stupid, but he's not smart.

31:29 Like he really balances it beautifully. He really every scene that he and Cusack are in his goal so good. So I think that that was what stood up the most. And then of course the fact that I mean talk about just as neo noir as you can get, and in my opinion not we we were talking about a little bit when we're watching it earlier. It's not like a lot of films that are kind of neo noir are kind of a noir farce. They kind of take the cliches of noir and then play with them and make in it's a comedy. It's played for laughs, like the Nice Guys. I love the Nice Guys. But to me, it's not really a noir. It plays in the idea of a noir. I think that even with the Ice Harvest being funny, having a great sense of humor, having a lot of modern touches, it's noir to its bones.

32:15 I mean, it is so noir you can tell that Ramus must have. He must have sat in a room with like a bunch of VHS tapes and just forced himself to watch a ton of old movies. I can see that. I love it. I really was blown away by it. And and you know it's ending, the ending that we got in the official. Release, we'll talk about the other one is happy. Enough that it's not like watching The War at Horror Thanksgiving. Well, it's a phenomenal movie, but the ending is so sad. You do leave it with like a Okay, I think I want to watch Charlie Brown now, you know? So Do You Even movie will be right back. Welcome back to Do You Even movie?

33:14 That's my opinion, What about you? So? I rented The Ice Harvest at my local library, probably when I was fourteen or fifteen, could have been older than that, And it was in that period to where I rented a lot of stuff from the library because for one, they didn't didn't care our ratings or anything like that. So a kid who was of that age could get those movies super easy. Library geez. Yeah, they didn't check for shit, especially especially if I went for the old VHS's, which I did a lot. They did not give a shit because they were just like oyah, kids getting VHS tapes. He can have whatever you want. So I took it home and watched it. I was surprised by how dark the film was. Yeah I could barely see it. Yeah, i'd how dark the film was, but also how good it was. The multiple twists and the turns that you have going on, plus just an ongoing streak of bad luck for q sex character. Yeah, where it's just like, oh, it can't get any worse. Oh it did. So it was.

34:06 It was one that I that I remember enjoying. But then you and I rediscovered it several years back, and since then it has been in my December rotation, like I said, for like the last like three four years. Now, right right, And I like it in the December rotation because remember how I was talking about, like the Christmas E rating, it's like a solid. Six and a half six. Because while it's not it's not the most Christmas Eve movie, it's a major plot point consistently that it's Christmas Eve. Yeah, there's a lot of like merried Christmas. There's a lot of like I should be watching my kids open presence. There's a lot of that, so Christmas is not in constant. In fact, they give it a seven. Actually abuse because if Christmas wasn't there, Yeah, there'd be a lot missing, Okay, like the family dinner that he that they they bump into, and the Christmas tree, and the presence and and the fact that there's almost nobody around a lot of the time, and and all of that plays into the fact that it's Christmas. E.

35:00 It does. But you know, like I said, you can't really get past an eight unless the movie is literally like about Santa Claus or about like getting a gift to a child or something. You know, beyond that, if you know, you can only get so christmasy. I mean, it's up there. The strip clubs are decorated for Christmas. There's that. Yeah, it's very festive. So you're read to get into the movie. Why the hell not? All right? So we open with a shot at Charlie as we hear a voiceover as we see him standing out in a field, and he's saying, people always say there's no such thing as the perfect crime, but I don't agree with that. He then goes on to tell us that they the keys to performing the perfect crime are to be calm and collected, and we also hear him share that he has also just now stolen two million dollars from the.

35:41 Mob, which you know, fucking Monday's right. Yeah, you know. So we see him handed a case at some at what looks like a bank. Somebody shakes his hand, and we cut to our credits, which begin to over the shot various shots of a nativity scene as rain begins to fall, and we also see that the rain is a little cold, and you know, may go into the title of the Ice Harvest. Too, who knows, well safe for sure. So Charlie joins his partner Vic in the car with a case full of money, stating it's over two million dollars. They've got it all, and Charlie says, you know, he's like, I can't believe we're actually we're actually. I can't believe we're actually gonna do this. And Vic says, oh, we're not doing this. It's done, and that's when he reminds him that it's already done. And by this point we were starting to see that a heavy rain is coming down. It's a cold afternoon, and Vic goes to drop Charlie off.

36:23 Charlie then goes to grab the bag of money and Vic's like, oh, did you want it? And he's like, well, you know, if you want to hang on to it. He's like, oh, well, you know if you think you're better at protecting two million dollars. And I am half at it, like ye time, there's already intensity between the two and it's just that that pure delivery that Billy Bob Thornton brings. Oh yeah, no, he's perfect in this. So that's when he eventually decides to let Vic have the money and he's like, you know, well we didn't discuss this, and he's like, okay, well are we are? We done discussing it now? So Vic reminds him to keep calm act natural and you know, they'll be home free in a few hours. So Charlie goes into where he is staying and that is when we see him later pull up to oh, e see men, I'm off my te in thought here, what the hell David, my apologies. So we see him pull up to the exterior strip club called the Sweet Cage, and inside we see a woman dancing topless who has a black eye. We see a man watching in the crowd who is noticing that one of the other gentlemen in the club is getting a little hands with the dancer, so he gets up from his table tackles the guy, and the bouncer play named Sidney comes out getting ready to beat him up, but then the dancer Charlie goes over him and she's like, no, no, he's protecting me, and that's when the guy says, I love you.

37:26 Well. For the record, he doesn't go over to beat him up. He goes over to beat the shit out of him with a stick. Yeah, he's on the ground the bat thing yea, yeah. Yeah, it was like a pipe or something, so he wasn't he had already knocked him down, but now he was about to freakin whoop his ass. Yeah. So that's when we meet Sidney, the bartender, and that's when Charlie greets Sidney, who informs him that Rusty was the woman dancing and that's her boyfriend, who is a shitbag is the guy that beat her up, and he can't wait for him to come to the club because he's gonna break his fingers. The guitarist. The guitarist, so that's when we also meet the owner of the club, who's Ranata, who knows, Charlie, Charlie, we requests a drink with an umbrella, something with pineapple, something with rum, and Werena is like, you know, what's going on with you? You seem pretty jovial, And that's when he says that he's just made a big deal, even hinting, and she hints that, well, you know, if he's rich, they could run away together, and what a dream that would be. Leaving Wichita falls so she adds first of the month new dancing is actually going to be a legal in the States, and that the mob boss Bill Gerard won't be making it any easier for her. So she's already having some struggles with the beinning of the year coming.

38:27 Ah, yes, well you know you have to convert the place into a woman zoo then, So Charlie, first, you don't know about the woman zoo deal? Do not? There was a strip club I want to say it was in Saint Louis that they were no longer allowed to have full nude deal. I do know about this. Yeah, they were no longer allowed to have full nude dancers where alcohol was so, which is still a law in a lot of places. So they built a strip a club a bar with a glass wall, and on the other side was a separate busy which was an independent women's aerobic studio. God, so you could. Drink your booze and the women would serve you and all that, and then they would go into that studio. Yeah, and then they would take off their clothes and dance.

39:14 And when it was first described to me, I was like, that is so bizarre. And then literally they're like, it's just the women's zoo because there's a big glass So you just go there to stare at women through a plate of glass. Do you remember hearing about that? Oh? Good stuff. So Charlie offers to help her if if she hands or excu mean, Charlie offers to help her if she hands over a photo of Councilman Williams, which apparently has him in a tough position, and she reminds him that VIC has that photo and he won't hand it over because she's asked, but if he could get it, it would be the best Christmas gift he could give her, and she'd have to give him something very special in return. I wonder what that could be. I assume it's one of those turtle doves I have one, you have one one and as long as we each have a turtle dove will always be friend. Turtle doves hurtle Dove.

40:00 So she goes to leave and Charlie takes a sip of his drink. He says it's awful and tells Sidney to get him a beer. Charlie then goes to the bathroom and it's taking a piss and as he was reading on the wall, there's a graffiti that says, as Wichita falls, so falls, Wichita falls. You know what? Also is a sentence? What's that? Buffalo? Buffalo? Buffalo? Buffalo Buffalo? That is a sentence. But anyway, no, but I just I like, how how many times falls get in there? This movie? Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to Do You Even? Movie?

40:43 So Charlie comes out of the bathroom to see a man at the bar asking Sydney about seeing Charlie or Vic that day, and Sidney tells him no, and he's like, you know, what have they been through? And he's like, you know, well, man, it's Christmas and he's like, ah, yeah, Christmas. So we see the guy's name is Roy and he goes to the bathroom commenting on the graffiti, even commenting that that's the stupidest shit he's ever read. Why would some asshole write that? M So that's when Charlie leaves and makes a call to Vic, telling him that Roy Gallis is in town and he's looking for them. Vic says it's nothing to worry about, and he reminds him to stick to the plan that they'll meet at the Velvet Touch around around one am. Charlie is also on the road, driving, which is now getting slick because of the ice, and he's also having a sip. Vic tells him the roads are bad, but the rain is due to stop by midnight and by five am they'll eat a nice leisurely breakfast at the airport and then they'll fly to someplace where it's fucking illegal ter rain.

41:29 So before we continue, yes, double d yes, sir, Well, at first I have to cough rude. I should have coughed on. I don't know why I used my arm like a dummy. What is the most interesting bathroom graffiti that you have ever seen? Oh? God, it probably would have been at Blind Bob's in Dayton, and it was careless pisper. I'm never gonna piss again. Hmm, okay, that's pretty good. I like that. I so most of the time the the graffiti I would find was at rest areas and things like that, because I was traveling very young. By the time I was eighteen, I was driving all over the country, so I don't remember a ton of them. But there was one and all it said in plain black letters, and the worst part was it was the only graffiti in the hole stall. It just said I'm still here.

42:27 My god. That's haunting. I'll tell you right now. Yeah, the piss comes out real fast, I bet. Yeah, yeah, real fast when you read that. Bet yeah. And of course you'd have the other ones like the here I sit, you know, dearly you know, dearly departed or. Whatever, paid the poop and only farted. But one of my favorite things to do when I was a young man was I used to always keep a sharpie and I never I would never graffiti. I'm being serious. This is not one of those cute like I would never do this, but if I did. But whenever I found graffiti, I would add to it with the hope I'm sure never gonna happen. Yeah, that the person who wrote the graffiti would come back and see it, because I wouldn't like cross it out or write like you know you're dumb or what. No, no, no, I would change the point of it.

43:14 Oh God. Like I remember one thing said like I think it was, it literally said like vote for Bush, and I crossed out wrote Carrie, which I just thought was hilarious. My favorite was anytime I saw something that was like Tom loves Tina, I would cross out Tina and write like Beverly. And I always like to imagine that, like Tom would come back to that bathroom, sit down to take a dump, yeah, and then see I'd be like, what the hell Beverly and I are just friends? And then you just like start scraping. Did you ever see the the SNL sketch where it was they were talking about taking their city back because it had been you know, over written with GRAFFEEDI So they got professional artists to match their graffiti and put like eats it like under the tab it like sucks.

44:02 That's pretty funny, pretty great, that's pretty solid. Yeah. There were also a lot of funny things, like people would write really hateful shit and then somebody would like right an arrow and just go like this guy is a stupid fuck. Like I saw a lot of that too, because I was on some it was mostly on state, on Interstate seventy. They were all these like really podunk and it was the worst part, I should tell you before we move on, was the one that said I'm still here. M hmm. I was like three thirty in the morning. Oh, hell, no, three thirty in the morning. I think I was. I think I was in Pennsylvania and uh yeah, I just gingerly walked past the closed to borrow. Yeah, got in the bathroom, went hey, it's not too dirty, or sat down and then looked at the door in front of me and just said I'm still here.

44:45 And I was like, yeah, that'd be terrifying. Oh oh. The worst part was I don't know if you've ever driven driven Interstate air well, it wouldn't have been Interstate seventy would have been seventy six or the PA term Pike. Have you ever driven the PA Termpike. Ye, So there aren't rest areas. There are service plausas. So it's a rest area with restaurants and gas station, but the restaurants all close, yeah, some of them may stay open, and the gas stations open all night. Yeah. So after that, I'm all creeped out. Middle of the night. I'm like nineteen years old. I go back to my car, get in, and then I turn the car on and I'm like, oh right, and you guess too, oh shit, and I'm like really low h. So now I'm driving across to the other side of the parking lot, pulling up to the pump, and the entire time I'm pumping, i am looking.

45:33 A running around and all. I'm thinking is like, as I'm pulling up to the pump and I'm getting guess, I'm like, I'm the guy who made the stupid choice in the horror movie Gonna die, Gonna die now? And uh good good stuff. That sounds like good stuff anyway. So Charlie gets flashed by a cruiser and he tries to stop the car, but of course, with the ice coming down, he slides a bit. The car turns a bit, and the cop that pulls him over goes by Officer Tyler. He knows Charlie of him, and he knows that he's in with Bill Gerard because we're gonna meet Tyler a couple times in the movie, and he every time he basically says, you know, hey, put in a good word of me with mister Gerard, so I think he knows the dealings of Bill. Huh crazy right, So Charlie makes his way then over to the club, and that is when he goes into the teazo Rama and there's a dancer there that's complaining that it's Christmas and she's got to work and she doesn't want to pay for the stage rental.

46:25 So Charlie offers to pay for the rental, then goes into VIC safe and retrieves the photo of Councilman Williams, which is him having sex and he is caught dead on camera. Basically, yeah, he's in what we would call in show business, uh huh, a compromising position, I would say, so, or what we would call in the podcasting business fucking a prostitute. Yes he is, who does not look interested at all. And is not his wife. No, although I I like the way I did that, I labeled it a prostitute and then. And not his wife. So Charlie comes out of Vic's office to find that Roy is also there looking. Charlie leaves and goes to find Vic at a restaurant, advising him that Roy is visiting the club as well, and Vic thinks that Charlie's losing it. He even starts a question if he made a mistake of making him his partner, and Charlie reminds him, or Vic reminds him that he gave him the balls to pull off the idea. Charlie tells him not to poke, because as Vic does that, he pokes him and he's like, you know, did I make the wrong mistake of my partner? And he's like, don't poke, so poke. That is when Vic gets a call and he repeats, I know that, I know that too, and then hangs up. So that's when Charlie asked who that was, and Vic's kind of put off by it, and he's like, well, if it's any of your fucking business, like that was my wife. And he's like, oh, is that you just had dinner with and he's like, no, she's on the subway diet. She's like, you know, several foot longs at lunch and then a couple more at dinner.

47:38 She's good, I love Billy. Bob's just deflated. I'm married to a fat woman. Yeah, routine is kills me. So Vic reminds him of the one am rendezvous and Charlie tries to ask about the loot location. But right as he's doing this, one of the major d's comes over, asking him if he would be willing to help him with his friend Peter, who is heavily intoxicated. Peter, of course, played by the great Oliver Platt. Heavily intoxicated you say heavily intoxicated. I think he's just charming, just joviel and full of jolliness. So Charlie is seen by Peter, who wishes him a merry Christmas, but it's actually a ho ho ho mofo. I. Oliver Platt is excelsiornis. Yes, I really love him in this movie.

48:22 He also drunkenly announces Charlie as the best mob lawyer to everyone that's in the bar as well, yeah, which is not the first time. That he does the only time tear that information. So Charlie asked what Peter is doing here, and basically he says he's trying to get laid, and that's when he reminds him that he can do that at home. And that's when we also find out that Peter is now married to Charlie's ex wife, Sarah beeth not awkward, not awkward at all, and he even goes. They even go start to reminisce a little bit about him stealing Charlie's wife and then how they now have their own issues as well. Charlie gets calls back over to the Sweet Cage, passing the message over to Sydney that he has a gift for Renata and he says that to tell Renanda that he'll be on his way. That's win. Cydnye tells him, 'nd he's not there yet, but she should be back soon. After hanging up, Countsman Williams of all people comes up to Charlie even asking about the photo and stating that he knows that Vic Kavanaugh has it and that he's offered handsomely to get it back several times, but Vick will just not accept. And what would it take for Charlie to pass that photo over?

49:16 Well, you know the time, you know, the holidays are a time of forgiveness, yes. But not that much, not that much forgiveness. Charlie even ask him, you know, if he's offering some amount, what would it be and he's like, it'd be five figures, a low five figures and that's when Charlie states that that photo might be closer than he realizes, and he wishes him a merry Christmas. So Charlie goes to leave and takes Peter with him to drop him off at home. The two stand outside the front of Sarah Best's grandparents' house and they're looking in, looking at the family having a nice Christmas dinner. What a beautiful wasp family. And fucking Peter makes the comment of that's my chair in there, but I can't fill it, and Charlie looks at him and says, don't worry, but I couldn't either. Yea, if it makes feeling better, I never could either.

49:57 So Charlie goes to lee Eric Sibi. So they the two stand outside looking in for a second, and that's when Peter takes the opportunity to tell him last the last year that they were married, that Peter was having an affair with Sarabeth, and that's what Charlie makes the comment of, huh, you know, I'm not upset, but that does makebe wonder and he's like, wonder, what who she's fucking? Now? I love that exchange because I hadn't seen the movie in a little while Yeah, and I every time I watch that scene, I think he's gonna sock him. Yeah, because that would be what you'd be used to. Yeah, yeah, but I love him. Just going just makes me wonder who she's fucking now is so much meaner? Yeah, like, couldn't you just hit the poor guy?

50:39 Do You Even? Movie will be right back, Welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? So, Peter walks into Sarah Beth's grandparents' house saying ho, ho ho, marry fucking Christmas, even saying that he brought a ghost of Christmas pass with him. As Charlie comes out saying hi to Sarah Bebeth. Peter wastes no time at all, making a jackass of himself and going right to the turkey dinner, ripping a leg violently off of the bird. The cracking sound so one of my favorite things about this movie. Yeah, so you're gonna notice, as we described the film that overall it's it's relatively simple and straightforward what's going on, but the way everything is done very memorable. Absolutely, the way he walks this, this this freaking turkey leg off is so good. But what's even better not to jump ahead too far, is at one point, as he's as he's having an argument and his wife is leaving, he's shaking a turkey leg saying stuff the sound they put in the sound of like the skates walking around on the turkey leg. Well, so he's sitting there all draw he's like, real dri and you hear going up.

52:01 So good. Well it's that's the exact sign. You're welcome everyone with headphones in. So Peter gets insulted by his father in law who tells him that he's a loser, and he goes upstairs. That's when, as Enrique said, Peter just lays into basically the whole family. Charlie even gets grilled by his son Spencer, asking about like their Christmas presents, while his daughter Melissa is like hugging on him, being like, you know, it's good to see you, daddy and everything. So he has a miss point with his family. His son hates him, his daughter loves him. Yeah, yeah, well his daughter is also the youngest youngest, and that's often how that works. Yes, So that's when the venture. They are eventually asked to leave and tell and told to take Peter home because the family is going to be staying with the grandparents to night, so Peter's going to have the house to himself on Christmas.

52:44 Oh, that's the sign of a healthy marriage. So healthy. So they leave and Peter ask about one more drink right before Peter chucks the turkey leg at the window of the house. Every scene with Oliver Plat makes he's so happy. So Charlie agrees, just one more drink and then they'll go home. So in the car, Peter tells him that his daughter really misses him and but and that's when Charlie is like, yeah, but Spencer hates me, and he's like, hey man, you got to give it time. You know. They're in a tough position right now. So they returned to the restaurant bar from before, and the bartender says she's closed, but she'll give them one inch on the house. But they got to drink it and go because she doesn't want to open her register again. Nice of her. Peter starts making comments at her, and that is when he does not realize that her boyfriend is at the end of the bar reading a newspaper waiting for her to be done.

53:31 And even if he knew he would he would be respectful. Yeah, yeah, sure, And I mean, he's saying things along the lines of that she's fine and that he's going to be thinking about her tonight because this drink is going to take him to the perfect state of drunkness where he's going to go home and imagine her wearing her necklace and nothing else. He is a class act. He is a class class act. So that's when Charlie takes this opportunity to call back to the Sweet Cage. He finds out Ranada is not back yet. But that's when Sydney is on the phone and tells him that you're not gonna believe who just walked in, And Charlie's like, not Roy yellis Bill Gerard And he's like, no, not Bill. He's like that asshole who hit Rusty from earlier. I'm gonna go break his fucking hand. I really love the bar manager.

54:13 Sydney's awesome, he's great, He's so good. So that's when he tells him that's not back yet, but you should be soon and that you know, to bring over what he needs to bring over. So that's when Charlie returns to the bar. As Peter is continuing to harass the bartender, Charlie begs him to stop multiple times, even being like, you know, I know I'm not your lawyer, but if I was your lawyer, this is the time that you shut up. Yeah, because the boyfriend at the end of the bar is not having it, and that's when Peter decides to push it way too far by basically telling the boyfriend that if he doesn't get laid tonight, it's his fault because he could have a campus crusade of conno lingus, which sends him over the side. And the next scene we see that Peter is being dragged out of the bar by the boyfriend, literally on the ground, and he's like, this is a non violent protest. I'm not leaving. He's being dragged out, and then as Peter goes to stand, the boyfriend kicks him right in the balls.

55:03 Well you know, couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Yeah, So the boyfriend goes back inside, Charlie helps him to the car, only for Peter to repay him by vomiting on him and the car. I mean, have you vomited on somebody's car? On the car, No, in the car, in the car, no, outside of a car, yes, and on a on a kid's bicycle once. This is this is early, early, early drunk David. I didn't think it was Tuesday. No, but this is like nineteen eighteen, nineteen year old David. Have I not told the story about don't think the night that I ruined my new pop, my new iPod.

55:44 I don't know if you've told it on the show, Okay, but I just want to mention for the record before you tell this, yes that when I what basically just happened is I asked, hey, David, have you ever ran a stop sign? Yeah? And you were like, well, no, I mean I I rolled through a red light once and I killed a guy, So go on, Dave. It was probably October of two thoy ten when this happened, and I had been invited to a friend's house that where they were older than me. I think she might have been out of high school at that point, or it was her senior year, I can't remember which, and I had been invited to a party at her house.

56:25 Then the party moved over down the street to her friend's house because her mom was out of town. So we had a great time, deciding to play beer pong with Bacarty. And that was an exchange student named Bacarty. So we were using Bacardi Hurricane as the as the cups and everything. There may have been some smoking going on as well. It gets a little blurry around this point, but I want to add at this point in the story that I had just bought a new one hundred and twenty gigabyte iPod. I had gotten it from a guy on Craigslist. My dad had rode out with me to get it because my iPod had died. So I had just gotten this new iPod. I hadn't even had it maybe a day or two, and I had taken it with me to the party because I usually carried my iPod with me that point. So long story short, I've had several drinks by this point, and I'm and again I'm young. At this point, I haven't really been drinking nineteen it would have been I would have been eight seventeen or eight. No, wait a minute, let me think for a second. If this is now, this is probably more two thousand and two thousand and eight I got actually, so I was probably sixteen seventeen.

57:33 God, I am such a lame. Oh. I was drinking and smoking with no little kid. And also for the record too. I had I believe I had snuck out. This is at the point where I had been sneaking out my window because I'd cut my screen perfectly like a doggy door to go in and out of the house. I didn't do it a lot. I only did it like three times that I can think of specifically. Your parents know that, oh they do. Now we've we've shared these stories and again it's gonna be on this podcast now forever. This is the difference. Oh boy, my mother, Yes, love that woman, kind hearted, She's wonderful. Would have never paddled me. Ever, if tomorrow I went to her and told her that, she would whack me in the face and I would then be told to thank her.

58:24 That's fair, That's absolutely fair. The story gets worse. Maybe if you thought, like Carona was waiting for you outside your house, you wouldn't do such. That's fair. Yeah, so the night has progressed by this point. I am I'm absolutely feeling no pain. And I remember I was also watching beer Pong by this point, like I'm out of the game, just watching it. And what I recall is that, in my drunken stupor high mind, I started grabbing the cups off the table and emptying them in the sink that was in the basement. So they decided to put me to bed or no, they actually tried to get me to walk back to Anna's house at first, so but. Then they were like, eh, this isn't gonna work, give me his car keys. So I so I'm I'm, you know, helped back over. I get a couple feet down and then I completely just meet the pavement like I had a scrape like blood like right across here. And they're like, okay, let's just get him back inside. So as they're walking me back, her brother's bicycle is off to the side, and I lost my cookies on his bike now, like not on the seat or anything, just mainly like on the tire and frame area. So that's when they're like, okay, we're gonna go put into bed. So they take me back downstairs.

59:29 They put me to bed, and again by this point, I have, you know, my clothes are on, my pants are on, my iPod is in the pocket. Some point in the night or through the night, I would wake up vomit and then fall back into the bed. That's dangerous. Yeah, So morning comes and the party has obviously died down at this point. So I go out and her brother is sitting in the basement and I'm like, hey, you didn't hear this from me, but I think somebody puked in there, and I just left the house. I walked back to Anna's house, and you know, they're like, oh, are you okay, and I'm like, no, I don't feel that great, and they're like, okay, well we'll get you home. So I've got this scrape and dried blood right here right And by this point, it's like seven or eight in the morning, so I've got like maybe an hour before my parents are gonna notice that I'm that I'm not at the house, so they get me back home.

1:00:19 I had this setup to where I put my game chair against the back wall so that I could grab onto it through the window and pull myself through because it was one of those that like swiveled, so I climb back in. I'm laying in bed and I'm like, okay, like we're home free. And I remember hooking my iPod up to the charger and just seeing a white screen but being like, oh, it's probably fine, not worried about it, and I remember just laying in bed, being like I feel like absolute fucking garbage. So that's strange. That's strange, you wouldn't think. So I'm gonna go take a bath. So I go into the bathroom, I draw a bath, and I had fallen asleep in the bath a couple of times too, Like you want to. Talk about dangerous, You want to talk about how did you make it to a oldhood?

1:01:01 So long story short. I immediately, like an hour later, get a text from Anna and she's like, did you fucking puke in their house? And I was like I think I did, like I don't know, like and like just goes off of me. And then the person whose house I was staying at, the brother text me and he's just like, you're an asshole, Like you know, don't even think I'm coming back here for a while, blah blah blah. Like no, I deserved all of it. So then I go to look at my iPod and it is completely sizzling and white screened, and the vomit got soaked up into the iPod. So I had an eye a brand new or a brand new refurbished iPod for about a day and a half and then ruined it because of drunken shenanigans.

1:01:44 If it makes you feel any better, Yeah, I got nothing. Yeah, I don't have them. Blame good luck with that. It took me about two months to patch up things to where I could actually hang out with him again. Like I actually had to write like a handwritten apology letter. You know what I've learned? What have you learned from allowing you the occasion personal anecdote on this program? What's that you? You don't need a podcast, David, you need a priest? No, I'm good on those. Because anybody else will tell the police. Man. So yeah, that was That was the night that I threw up on a kid's bikedeer died.

1:02:24 Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back, Welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? All right, anyway, let's uh, let's try to salvage your relationship with the listeners. So anyway, So at this point, we are now back at Peter's house, and that's or when he is out front of his house and he's having Charlie help him by lifting it up and down because the kick to his balls makes him think that one of his testicles has gone up into his body. Yes, ascended, so as his testicle has believed to be ascended. He is picking uh, he's Charlie is picking him up over and over again, dropping him down. And that's what Officer Tyler and his partner drive past. And that's when he's like, hey, if you're trying to rob him, you're you gotta flip him the other way and shake him up and down. And so he drives past. Eventually, Charlie gets Peter home, helping him inside as Peter comments on, hey man, this used to be your house. Remember that. So as they get into the doorway, Peter falls down with his pants around his ankles, and Charlie takes a few to look around the old house and even pours himself a drink, looking at a picture of Sarahbeth and the nice Mercedes that she was gifted some years ago.

1:03:40 Oh how sweet. So then Charlie goes into the garage, taking the Mercedes and leaving a sign with the Peter that says borrowing Sarah best car Mine smells like vomit for some reason. I love that it literally says for some reason. Yeah. So he returns to the Sweet Cage, where we find Sidney keeping his word, breaking the fingers of the dickhead boyfriend in the parking lot and smiling happily while he does it. But the way it's depicted is as the car is pulling up, he's just dutifully sitting there on the ground with the guy, yeah, breaking his fingers while the stripper and her new BT, Ronnie are watching yeah, like he's just doing it like it's not It doesn't even come off as like a crime of passion. He's just like, well, gotta break his fingers now.

1:04:20 So Russy introduces Charlie to Ronnie and tells him how they went to high school together and how he always had a crush on her and guess what, they're getting married what So even Sidney goes back to Ronnie, adding to use the night as a reminder, and he basically says, you know, don't touch don't touch her again anytime you feel too just remember that guy right there. So police Sarmon starts to ring out and Charlie advises Sydney to get out of here. Sidney tells him, you know, yeah, it's probably a good idea. I'm taking my kids' six flags tomorrow. Run. I was gonna pissed. I'm leaving early, and Charlie says, I don't worry. I think what I've got is gonna make her happy. So Charlie goes inside, giving Renanda the picture, who was very grateful, actually commenting that she is fucking. A static and it's such a fairy tale. She even questions what he wants and Charlie states nothing, and she says that's odd, Charlie, because she's already been hearing some odd things about him tonight, like renting stages, buying drinks, and that's when she puts together that he's planning to leave town. And she even asked if he's been skimming the till, and he states that would be crazy to steal from Bill Girard. So she sits on his lap as they share a kiss, and she tells him to give her forty five minutes to close up and meet her at her apartment.

1:05:22 Oh la la. She also adds that Vic has passed the message to her and that it was that he was right about someone looking for them and to meet him at the Velvet Touch immediately. And this is where things take a turn, quite a turn. So Charlie drives over to the place, finding it empty, but he wanders through the back of the Strip club into the back room, making a discovery of a severed finger in the back of the club in a vice. Yeah, it doesn't look like something very Christmas Eve happened there. So Charlie speeds out of the club as the rain is really coming down now. He stops on a bridge and parks the car, vomiting over the side of the bridge. As Officer Tyler pulls up start tart him, Charlie runs face first into a street sign.

1:06:02 We call it pulling a David on the side of the road. By the way, shut the hell up. Running face first into a street sign with a very loud whack. It startled me even though I saw him his headed, I thought it was a gunshot. It was. So Officer Tyler reminds him to put in a good word with Bill Gerard, and he also tells him that he should get home safe and probably best not to come back out tonight. Yeah, probably not goad idea. We also forgot to mention that he had picked up on Charlie's flask in the cup holder and even told him like, hey, yeah, maybe take it easy with that, so he knows he's been drinking. He's trying to be cool. Yeah, So Charlie finishes the drive over to Vick's house, pulling up with the headlights off. Suddenly, inside the house, we see a flash and we hear a shot ring out. Charlie then parks the car and gets up out, sneaking up to the house, finding another car out front, which belongs to Roy Gellis. As he confirms by getting the id out of the car.

1:06:51 Yeah, things are They're escalating fast. So he quickly makes a call to Ranada, confessing that they have been skimming and he has the money and that or and then he thinks Roy just killed Vic and offers to leave town, taking her with her. And that's when we're not asked about the money, and Charlie says, well, since Vic had it, and since Roy just probably killed Vic, Roy probably has the money. I mean that is science. So Ranada tells him to kill Roy take the money back so they can run away together. So he hangs up and goes into the house. Inside the house, we see a cigarette remain burning in an ashtray as the chipmunks play over the speakers of the house. Charlie sneaks around, coming into a room where the Christmas tree is and seeing a woman in front of the tree. He recognizes her as Vic's wife, Gladys, but he soon realizes that she has been shot in the head and is dead.

1:07:32 But she's somehow just kind of on her crouch, on her knees prone, kind of in front of the Christmas tree. The reveal of it with the blood just dripping on the Christmas. Po oh, Yeah, so it's terrifying. So Vic tells him sweet gesture, but she's dead, Charlie, and he tells Charlie that Roy killed Gladys because Vic didn't tell him where the money is. Also revealing that Roy is now stuffed into a trunk in the garage of Vic's house. Yeah, but not stuffed into a trunk the way you would normally expect it. He is a lie. John Candy and Steve Martin could be carrying him in that scene in Plaine Streets. It's true that an emotional scene. So that's when Vic taunts him and tells and Roy tells him to come closer. Vic walks over, putting his ear to the trunk and bullets start ringing through and that's when Vic shocked because he's like, well, damn, I took his gun. Away. I guess he had another one, and Charlie's like, I guess so well.

1:08:20 So luckily for them, he can only shoot straight up yeah, because of he's like crammed in there. So they are not really in much danger except for the fact that they were scared shitless because they were about to be over top of the trunk to loaded into a car. So Roy recognizes Charlie's voice and he tells him he's gonna kill him when he gets out of there, and Vic's like, well, that's pretty fucking optimistic because you're never getting out of that trunk. Yeah, this whole sequence the stange is so good. He's like, he's like, is that you there, I'm gonna kill you when I get out this thing? Let me out. Well, you just uh said you were gonna kill me. I didn't mean it. I love it. It's it's that's the most person. It's that way too. It's like silence, silence, silence. I didn't mean it. So Charlie Vic go to work trying to get the trunk into Vic's Lincoln, but the trunk won't fit in the back. Charlie then offers the Mercedes and Roy smarts off at Vic's causing Vic to grab a golf club going to town on the trunk at this point, yeah, and that's when Charlie warns him to not beat it too much, with the lock might spring. So Charlie asked why did he put him in the trunk, and Vic reveals he has plans to drop him into the lake boscom shouting to Roy that he can't wait to hear him and watch him drown.

1:09:24 I mean, you know, if you do what you love. Yeah, So Charlie pulls the Mercedes in as Vic brings Gladys his body out wrapped in plastics, stuffing it into the trunk and commenting on how she never did anything right. And that's when they load Roy into the back seat and Vic comments on the spaciousness of the car, even requesting the keys from Charlie, and Charlie asks, you know, well, whose thumb is this, and that's when Vick is like, hey, Roy, Charlie brought your thumb. So Charlie and Vick start backing on the road driving to the lake, and Roy tries to warn Charlie not to trust Vic and that he's done. When he's done helping him with the trunk he's going to kill him. Vic also gives Charlie hell for the suspicion of his nunh even at Christmas time, and Roy questions what kind of a man shoots his own wife in the back of the head on Christmas Eve. Vic then tries to argue that Charlie already knows that Roy killed her, and that's when Roy states that Bill Gerard already knows what they've done. Why would he kill.

1:10:12 Gladys's because, Yeah, his claim was he was like he overestimated how much I gave a shit about my wife. Yeah, but it's pretty clear that Homie killed his wife. Yeah, do you even? Movie will be right back, Welcome back to do you Even? Movie? So Vic warns him that he'll shoot both sides of the trunk because he doesn't remember what side he put his head in, and ends up doing so as Roy as comments immediately stop. He takes the thumb from Charlie, throwing it out the window, and the two arrive at the lake and Vic asks Charlie for help with the trunk, so they quickly remove it and scoot it down the steps, And when I say scoots, the trunk just falls out of their hands.

1:10:59 And goes down the s Yeah, yeah, it's a bumpy right yeah, to the. Dock, and Charlie is noticeably nervous and suspicious of Vic, even peeking at the gun in his waistband, which Vic does take out. As they go to move the trunk, Vic asks for help before the end of the dock, and that's when Charlie states that he would rather push, putting Vic towards the back of the lake. So they begin to push the trunk as the doc breaks in a couple of spots as they're going by, but they get the trunk to the end as Vic holds up his gun and Vic has Charlie stand the trunk up. Suddenly, two more shots ring out from inside the trunk, hitting Vic as blood against the poor from a wound. The trunk opens as Roy asks for help from Charlie to get out of the trunk. Roy then gets out of the trunk and Vic tells him, Hey, Roy, that's great, but your gun's empty. Roy goes to fire and the gun is empty, making the click, and that's when Vic quickly shoots him. As Roy stands still and Vic's like, Roy, you're dead, fucking die already.

1:11:46 That's a great moment because he's just standing here with the wound in his chest. Yeah, and he's like, you're dead, all right, like stop wasting my tie. So that's when Roy falls forward, crashing onto the dock, breaking it completely up as the front falls, sending Vic into the water with the trunk, and Roy Vick is freezing, holding onto the trunk, clutching it, grabbing onto him and asking Charlie for help. And that's what Charlie tells him no, because he knows now that he was gonna kill him when he was done with the job. And that's when he goes, fuck you, it starts shooting. Yeah. Yeah. I have to say the motto of this film is to me is you're not very good at this? Yeah, because he's not very good at this Because the first time I watched it, my first thought was, why wouldn't you just head back to the car and be like, I'm gonna get a rope, yeah, and then let him drown.

1:12:29 But no, a guy with a gun who's about to drown you say it when he could like shoot towards you. So so Cusack has to like get down low and hunch while he's firing his gun. Desperately because not only is he freezing enough, but he can't swim swim, so there's no way he's going to survive this. But I found that very funny. It's like, why. Would you be, Why would you be where he can see you when he has a gun to tell him that you're not very good at this sorry. So Charlie tells him, fuck you too, and Vic asks for help throwing the gun away. Vic offers to tell him where the money is, and Charlie's like, I already know the money, like it's in the car, and Vic denies, no, it's not in the car, but Charlie tells him so long Vic. So Vic is freezing in the water at this point, trying to stay afloat in the trunk, and he calls to Charlie, begging him, even going into the Lord's prayer at this point, so suddenly he starts to hear footsteps back on the dock as Vic calls to Charlie and he says, like, you're a good man, Charlie.

1:13:17 I knew you'd come back, and Charlie says, I didn't want you to die alone as he dumps Gladys's body down the dock right onto him. It's like a fairy tale. So Vic goes into the water even further, and Charlie goes back to the car, finding the bags of Vick's full of clothes and the money not there. He returns to the dock, calling to Vic, but Vic by this point has drowned with Gladys on top of him. Second time. Yeah, I had the thought. You're very good car, are you. So that's when Charlie leaves the lake, stopping at a gas station. He refreshes himself in the bathroom, enjoying a cigarette. He grabs a beer from the cooler and even some cheap toys as he comments to the cashier that they're stocking stuffers and the cashier starts off at him and he's like, ah, big spender, and Charlie goes, you have any kids? Cashier goes no, and he goes and shut the fuck up.

1:13:57 Yeah that's a great moment. Yeah, then shut the fuck up and back. So that's when he calls over to Renada, telling her that Vic is dead along with Roy. She tells him to come to the Sweet Cage, but Charlie states he doesn't have the money, and Renada tells him money isn't everything, and if that he's really in love with her, it shouldn't be an issue, so he confirms that he's coming over, as we cut back to Renata seeing that someone is holding a gun at her as she hangs up the phone. Aw So, Charlie returns to his old house, dropping off the gas station gifts under the Christmas tree, which that's when he sees that Peter's still on the couch and Peter wakes up, asking Charlie to take him with stating he can't do this life anymore, and that's when Charlie tells him to get some rest, and he also tells him that he's in big fucking trouble, like he doesn't know what he's gonna do. He's in a serious situation, and Peter says that's great because they can go out and a blaze a glory like men, and then he quickly falls asleep and starts snoring.

1:14:45 Putting the gas station toys under the tree. Saddest damn thing I've ever seen. So still in the Mercedes, Charlie returns to the Sweet Cage, taking notice of the other car and seeing a top dog license plate dog spelled Dawg of course, confirming that the car does belong to Bill Gerard. He enters the Sweet Cage, which is quiet, and he sneaks back to Ranada's office and he sees that she is basically laying lifeless with her head on her desk. But as he his footsteps go forward, they wake her up, and that's when he's like, okay, I think Bill Gerard here, come on. And that's when Randa shows them that she is taped to the chair with Christmas tape. It's very festive and I like that. So Bill is here. We hear him in the bathroom and Charlie realizes his gun is empty. He's like, you know, do you have any bullets for this? And that's when Randa tells him to get the shotgun behind the bar.

1:15:25 So Bill comes in, commenting on Wichita falls, So falls, Wichita falls, and he says he likes that, and he also tells her that he's gonna give Charlie a few more minutes and then he'll just assume that he ran off and left his pecker to be basically. Yeah, I guess that means is a head beat out as pecker. So Renanda says that won't be enough time, and that's when Bill gets in her face and tells her, too bad. He should be in Kansas City watching his kid open, watching his kids open Chris's presence, but he's stuck here. He then goes into a tirade about how lawyers have a license to steal from everybody, but yet they choose to steal from their friends, Which this is a point you brought up. Yeah, when we were watching it this time, I was like, you know, I get why he's mad. Yeah, because it's like he's a criminal attorney, but like, as long as all he does is legal service, he's not really committing a crime himself. So he's making fat stacks of money in a legal way.

1:16:11 Yeah. Meanwhile, everybody he works with could go to prison at any time. Yeah, it's not. A bad gig. No, just gotta have more, gotta become a big shot, a big shot bad guy crook. And Bill Girard also played by the amazing Randy Quaid. Yes, which she should have led with that. You should have led with that. Yes, phenomenal performance Randy Quaid casting. Yeah. So we see Charlie getting the shotgun behind the bar as Renata is questioned about her involvement with the swindle because Bill thinks that she might be in on it. Charlie loads the gun, but outside we see the officer Tyler has also arrived at the Sweet Cage. Charlie returns to the office holding a gun on Bill as Bill turns showing that he also has a gun, and Charlie comments for him to tells him to drop the gun, but Bill refuses, showing no fear. Bill in comments on how he hasn't pulled the trigger yet because he's not a big man. And that's when Bill comments on how he hasn't or excup me. That's when Charlie fires, sending Bill to the ground. So that's when Randa tells him to get his gun, as the shotgun is full of bird shot. Bill suddenly then gets stabbed in or Bill suddenly stabs Charlie in the foot, telling him, though, you just really shit the nest now, And.

1:17:15 The depiction of his foot stabbed, yes is really upsetting because as all this action is happening, he's trying to get the knife out of his foot and his face is gone pale hals and he looks like he's about to pass out or vomit, yeah, which is very accurate and I really liked it. And Bill walks over in the hera a bit. Yeah. Bill walks over and steps on it as he's trying to finish. Oh yeah, oh yeah, so that's an officer. Tyler comes in and he's like, mister Gerard, what are you doing here? Bill shoots him dead in the head. Yeah, just without a hesitation. So we're not a cutting herself free because Charlie had started cutting her free when he shot. Bill attacks Bill and Charlie tries to regain his composure. Bill throws her down to the couch as he comments on why did he even bother with Kansas taking a look at his face, adding that now he's also been disfigured by a whiskey dick lawyer. And for those of you not familiar and thinking, well, if he lives in Kansas City, why is he BITCHI m chants that's case mo, Yeah, Kansas City, Missouri, casey k or case mo, it's case moo.

1:18:06 So Bill points his gun at Renata as Charlie places the barrel to the back of Bill's head, blowing it off and sprang Renata with blood. The way it's done is pretty epic, yah, because the barrels to the back of his head and he's just like, what does he say to him? I think he just says Bill. Oh yeah, he just says Bill and then yeah, it just cuts to her and then bang and just blood got her and she reacts by going ew yeah. So Ranada showers at the club and Charlie tries the best to bandage his foot while also taking a couple of shots of liquor. Renata even offers in some pain pills, and while she's in the bathroom saying about what a nice guy Charlie is and how he's the best, Charlie notices the bags that Vic had earlier in her closet. As he walks over to the closet, she even comments on how he's the last man standing, and that's when he finds the bags of money and flashing back, we see that Renata was actually the one at dinner with Vic earlier, and also the one who called while Vic was sitting with Charlie. Ranada has been on at the endi time, so Charlie asked her because the whole the whole movie, he's been saying that he has one question for her, but when she has but when he goes to ask, he says, I can't think of one. So that's when he asked her where is she originally from?

1:19:10 And Ranada asked why does he keep asking questions? And he states he was just curious. As Renata exits the bathroom, Renada reminds him that it's just them now going in for a kiss, and she tells him that he saved her life and he's a different man going in for another kiss. She asks can he feel it, and he says that he can as a shot rings out, revealing that he shot Ranada, and Ranada, also with a straight raizor in her hand, nearly cuts Charlie's throat as she falls down dead. She had already started. Yeah, And one of my favorite things about this reveal is like, as she falls down, you see that she had perfectly started this little line cut on his neck with a just straight razor. When she shoots him, she has the nerve to as she was beginning to kill him, to go Charlie, Yeah, like, what did you know? It's like, lady, you were murdering him. Yeah, you were in the process of murdering him. She's such a great kind of classic fem fetale in this. In fact, multiple times when she talks to him on the phone, they did the same slight, the little slit of light over her eyes which really makes her look ethereal and it's a great touch. But yeah, she was clearly in it for her.

1:20:18 Yeah, Do You Even? Movie will be right back. Welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? So we see Charlie driving down the road as he was standing on in the beginning of the film, but now he's got tears in his eyes. He stops the car as he finds Sydney off to the side of the road and the camper broken down with his kids. He gets out of the camper, finding out or gets out of the car, going up to the camper and finding out that it's out of gas, and of course Sidney is just railing on about his. Mom the strip club guy in case You about Case I Forgot?

1:20:59 Yeah, and that's when Charlie offers to have gas siphoned out of his car to help them get on their way. So we see Charlie looking out over snowy fields and Sidney joins them, telling him that he's he doesn't want him to take this personal but he's Charlie is the nicest guy that he knows, and Charlie says he's really sorry to hear that, but he wishes him well with his family on their six Flags trip. As he gets back into the camper, Charlie walks behind the camper and goes to right on the back, revealing that he is the man that has been graffitiing as Wichita falls, So falls, Wichita falls, and that's when Sidney accidentally backs over him as gets the camper started, knocking Charlie to the ground. The camper drives away and Charlie sits back up. As they drive away, returning to his car, That's when we see Peter pop up from the back seat, waking up from asleep, and Charlie wishes him a Merry Christmas and says good morning, and that's when he asks where are they or no, he tells them that they're in heaven and Peter asks they have pancakes in heaven and Charlie says they have everything, yeah, as we start to see them drive down the same road that Sidney is driving down and that is two thousand and five The Ice Harvest, My friend, How yes man?

1:22:00 What a film? What an ending. Although, although I don't know when you want to talk about we're talking about it now. Yeah. So, yeah, there are two alternately very similar. Alternate and I think on the DVDs. I think that it was originally from the DVD. They look like their standard death. Yeah. So the first alternate ending picks us up right after he has shot Ranada, and it basically goes to the exact same thing of him riding up on the road on Sydney. He gives him the gas, Sydney goes behind the car and he starts driving and that's when the camper backs into him and we see that John Cusack is very hurt at this point, spitting up below. Oh he's dying. He's dying. Yeah, he's been He's been crushed by an RV. Yeah, so he ends up dying. As the camera pulls up, we also see him walk off or his spirit walk off into the field and then fade away. So that was alternate ending number one.

1:22:43 Yeah, which honestly fit the tone of the film very well. Yeah. Alternate ending too is basically the same, except as he's dying, they flashed back to a memory of him Renata and vic as we basically see that the whole idea was Charlie's the entire time. Which I love that that gag. Though I almost wish that the ending had been he got hit and he falls down and he like hits his head on the ground whatever, and then we'd have that flashback, but then it would cut back and he'd like woke up and die. Yeah, I almost wish that that was the ending. But you know what, I like how uncluttered the final ending is. No, it absolutely is. So would you like to know some fun things about the film? Of course, as long as they are really fun?

1:23:24 David, what do you think? The budget was twelve estimated at sixteen Okay, estimated at sixteen million. It comes out November twenty seventh of two thousand and five in theaters and opening weekend brings in three million, seven hundred and forty four thousand dollars. I mean, not terrible. Grossing in the US and Canada nine million dollars and then worldwide box office ten million. Yeah, so it was a flop. Yes. So it was shot in Carpentersville, glen View, Highland Park, Marengo, and alt multiple other places in Illinois. Screenwriter Robert Benton was made aware of the novel after reading a New York Times review of it. Benton got himself a copy of the book and passed it off to Richard Russo, his writing partner, who was blown away by the book.

1:24:11 Scott Phillips, the author of the novel, was already receiving offers to option the book for a film in its first month of release. Wow. Yeah, I mean sometimes that happens. A book gets really hot before it's even out. Yeah. Scott Phillips initially can convinced himself that the novel That Ice Harvest was unadaptable. Upon reading it again, he felt his book could indeed be adapted. Do we know how he felt about the Bilm. Yeah, he actually is. On the bonus features, he loves the film. Oh, good good. Although the novel was set in nineteen seventy nine, Benton and Russo didn't feel this had to be a nostalgia piece and decided to modernize it. Oh that's interesting, Yeah, okay. Phillips set the book at Christmas time because he had been working in a mall and due to the stress and anxiety he felt with Christmas music endlessly playing in the mall, he thought it was ironic. The dark places Christmas songs can take a person despite all their upbeat tempos and lyrics.

1:24:56 I could see that for sure. Yeah. Harold Ramis took the job after reading the screenplay once. He then decided to read the novel by Phillips to see if anything had been left out for the screenplay that should be included, and found nothing. Wow. Okay, well, I mean, what's his name again? The writers er Scott Phillips, Scott Phillips is the novel Robert Bett, Robert Bett, RICHD Russ. He's a hell of a writer, and he wrote Kramer versus Kramer, for fuck's sake. He's a he's a damn good screenwriter. Yeah. Harold Ramis refirst to the film as retro film noir and a toyed with the title Nothing Like Christmas, but decided that The Ice Harvest was the stronger of the two. It was the Ice Harvest the title of the book. Yeah, yeah, I thought so, Yeah, so that makes sense. Ramis offered the role of Charlie two Bill Murray, but Murray did not return his calls.

1:25:38 They were not speaking at that time. They didn't speak until shortly before his death. Before his death. Yeah, they patched things up right. Then the weather got so bad during shooting that Harold Ramis was forced to close production for a day, which would have ended his perfect record of never losing a shooting day. Was almost forced, not forced. Oh wow. Yeah. The name argolus translates to gile or deceitfulness in German. The line as which to fall, so falls, Wichita Falls is titled is a title of a Pat Methenny and Lyle May's album from nineteen eighty one. Oh Shitting' Okay. The Sweet Cage is a defunct restaurant Harold Ramis and his family used to eat at when he was a kid. It's a flatware. It's flatware and cutlery were used for the upscale restaurant where Vic was eating. I love that.

1:26:19 I love that it was shot in Illinois. I would have never guessed. Monica Blucci was initially signed to play the character of Nadama, had to back out due to her pregnancy. The lake in the film was not a real lake and was created on land on a land reclamation project. A sixty five foot pier was constructed with a swimming pool dug in the ground at the end and secured with asphalt and a liner. The pool was then filled with water and had melted parafane put over top of it to give the icy appearance. It worked great, very good. The colors in the lighting of green and blue were selected to blend with the ice theme of the film, and Billy Bob Thornton has a legitimate fear of drowning and told Ramis this upon landing the role and discussing the scene in the film. How nice of him. Yeah, So what are your final thoughts on two thousand and five's The Ice Harvest? Oh? Man, I mean, it is a fun flick. If you love noir movies, you'll be obsessed with it. If you love you know that era of Billy Bob Thornton, John Cusack, you're gonna love it. It's definitely a rent. It's it's worth a couple bucks to check it out to get the experience of it.

1:27:15 Absolutely. I do think as good as it is, I don't think it's really like a necessity for the average movie collector to own it. But watching it is so worth it, And if it connects with you really well, you'll be so glad that you gave it a chance. So I am one hundred percent on the rented camp on that bad boy. Rent it for me as well. It's a very fun movie with a lot of with noir touches throughout it because the movie is just masterfully shot, masterfully written, masterfully edited. This is one of those underrated Christmas crime movies to a t that you really need to see if you're a fan of that genre. It's a pretty deep niche genre already, Christmas crime. Reindeer Games, the Silent Partner, Kiss, Kiss, Bang bang, this movie Christmas Rush with Eric Roberts.

1:28:03 I'm not saying that, oh gosh, Christmas, I want to rewatch Christmas Rush. That's so good. No, but uh no, I mean I'm not saying that there aren't No, I'm just saying that's. That's a very niche, deep. Cut do You Even? Movie will be right back, welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? But no, it's absolutely Arendom for me. It's a It's a really underrated flick that I hope a lot more people will get their hands on because it's perfect for this time of year with the Christmas setting, for one, but also if you're looking for something. As I said when we reviewed the longest good Night. That's different from Diehard and all the other action movies. This is a good fi goddamn right. Yeah. Yeah, So we also like to end the show with a couple of recommendations. I have two this week, the first one being one that I just showed you recently in The Silent Partner from nineteen seventy eight.

1:29:01 Yeah, a Silent Partner. A timid bank teller anticipates a bank robbery and steals the money for himself before the crook arrives. When the statistic crook realizes he's been fooled, he tracks down the tailor and engages him in a cat and mouse chase for the cash. I will say the synopsis is a little bit more exciting than the film, but it is a good. It is a good film, but it's paced slow, very slowly. Yeah. It's one of those movies where like a bunch of character stuff happens that is interesting, and then all of a sudden you go oh right, and then also like all the murder stuff. But you can see John Candy with a perfectly quaffed set of hair, handsome man. The other the other recommendation I'm gonna give is Fro nineteen ninety one and currently available on Prime One. False Move, starring Billy Bob Thornton and Bill Paxton. A small town police chief awaits the arrival of a gang of killers. This is a really good neo noir from the nineties. I can't remember the guy that did it? Is it Richard Franklin? I want to say his name is the guy that did Devil in a Blue Dress. This is a movie that I cannot recommend enough. It is a really good crime thriller but also pretty bleak. So that's your fair warning on that.

1:30:00 But Billy Bob Thornton, like it's like one of his first roles and he is an absolute psychopath, and. I want to check it. Carl Franklin, I'm putting that in my watch list right now. It is fantastic. So what is your recommendation for this week? You know, I had to think pretty hard because we've been talking about what our January picks are going to be, and several of those were going to be my recommendations. But I didn't want to do that, so I racked my brain while we were doing the show, and I came up with a brand new movie. I just recently watched that you have not seen because you are not a real movie fan, you are a poser. What is vomits on children? What is it? Is? Twenty twenty four's Wolves, Okay, and that is not Wolves.

1:30:44 It is Wolf's two single Wolves, directed by John Watts. It is a Apple Plus film, so you could watch it on Apple Plus. It stars George Clooney and Brad Pitt. And i'll give you the description two rival fixers crosspaths. That's a little misleading. They're not They didn't know each other existed. In fact, one of the big gags is that they both think they were the only person who could do what they do. That's kind of the big gag. And then there's like there's one part it's not a big spoiler to give you an idea of what it's like. At one point, Brad Pitt's like, I've got a person, a doctor, you know, I've got a doctor that doesn't say anything, and but you've got to stay in the car because I don't want her to get freaked out because she knows me. And he goes up to the door and she comes out and she's like, I'm not helping you anymore with all this stuff, and he's like, come on, you got it whatever, and then Clody just walks to us, Hello, Beth, Oh my god, god, you know, I don't care your name is Beth. But yeah, He's literally just like hello, and she's like hello, Margaret is her name? I think, no, no, no, it's it doesn't matter.

1:31:48 But June so Wolves, but yeah, to cover up a prominent New York officials misstep over one explosive night, they have to set aside their grieving, petty grievances and their egos to finish the job that it has. It's a crime drama. It has a lot of twisted turns. It is laugh out loud funny. But I really enjoyed it. Okay, And while it's not super important to the plot, it is set around Christmas. There are Christmas lights around. I like that. So it is a lot of fun, great ending. Pit and Clooney are at their peak. You can tell that they're just they wanted to bromance for themselves. Hell yeah, so I really enjoyed it. Wolf's from twenty twenty four, available on Apple Plus. That is my coming.

1:32:31 Well, would you like to know when we are talking about next week? As long as I'm not, I hopefully will be done clearing my throat all the time. Then, But what is it? Double d well? Our show is going to be dropping on Christmas Eve for one, that is true, So I thought maybe we should go with the ultimate Christmas Eve thriller and do twenty fifteen's Crampis. Wouldn't it be better to do it on Crampus Knocked? I mean, we could do it on Crampus Knock, but it's past at this point. I think probably Yeah, But Crampus is currently available on and Peacocks, so you can check it out before we talk about it. This is going to be a very fun one. We have a lot of history with this one, because not only did we see it opening night, but we also checked out the new four K, which we're going to be revisiting again, I imagine. On the new four K project.

1:33:12 At is very true. The thing is crazy. Do we have any emails? By the way, I'll double check, but last I saw No One Loves Us. Yes, Also, we are recording the show ahead because I'm going out of town. Yeah, so it's only been a few days since the last year last show. No new emails. We're not loved but we do love to hear from you guys. Send us an email at do you even movie pod at gmail dot com or go to dooevenmovie dot com to find all the information to contact us. We love to hear your movie recommendations, your opinions of films we watched on the show, and really just about anything else. I do appreciate all the listeners who have been sending us fake invoices for Macintosh purchases, better scams, I guess, and that Nigerian prince.

1:33:53 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, go on that. Yeah. So, but now we would love to hear from you guys as we wrap up the holiday season, yes, and head into cold blooded January. That is gonna be the theme. Perhaps, No, it's gonna be a theme. Okay, fine, that's gonna be a thing. All right, well whatever, all right, So next week's show, crampis make sure you check it out if you have it already, I assure you you will not be disappointed. And if for some reason, somehow crampis missed you. But you're familiar with the film. Trick or Treat, Yes, Michael Dogherty, it is the Christmas Trick or Treat, Yes, it is. It is so worth your time, can't wait to talk about it, can't wait to revisit it. Yeah, can't wait to hear it in Dolby atmost. And I will go ahead and give a tease to that if you have not seen the Naughty version the Naughty cut. While it doesn't have a lot of violence or anything attitude like people thought it would, there is a lot of great character moments in it that if you are a fan of Crampis, definitely check out that cut of the movie if you can get your hands on it. Yes, it's really good. We'll talk about it more next week. Absolutely, Maybe I cannot recommend that cut enough.

1:34:54 Well, with all that being said, thank you guys for checking out. Do you even movie? If you're listening to us on the podcast speed, make sure you're subscribed, and if you would, we really appreciate a five star rating on Apple podcast or Spotify. It really does help the show a lot. It helps movie lovers find out that they want to listen to our show. Yes, if you're watching us on YouTube, appreciate that as well. Make sure you're subscribed, leave a like, leave a comment about what you think of the film or any of the films we've talked about or David's complete lack of moral compass whatsoever. Yeah, that's pretty bad. It ain't great. So until next time, guys, stay warm, watch some movies, and we will see you next Tuesday, assuming Dave doesn't vomit on the show and ruin it not no promises, I am very well aware.

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