The Edge (1997) Anthony Hopkins, Alec Baldwin

0:00 You want to die out here? Got on ahead. The Edge is a thrilling adventure that's got it all. It's like he's reading our minds. He's talking about a wild edge of your seat, d'antantement that moves like a ball of fire. Amboddy Hopkins and Alec Baldwin delivered their two most powerful performances, I'm not a gentle if Jaws with Claws. The Edge rated R tomorrow on the in theaters. In a world where podcasts reign supreme, two friends dare to ask Do You Even? Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie officionado David de Noyer spoiler alert. Well, hello, dear listeners and viewers.

1:10 Hello, and welcome to a very chilly, almost frigid edition of Do You Even? Movie? I'm of course your host is Rique Kuto here with double D David Denier. I French his name because it hurts him in his spirit. And when you kill a man's spirit, you kill the man. This is true. So dark, Well, I'm going dark because we're talking about a film. Yeah, that is a lot of fun, it's super intense, but I would dare say it's pretty bleak. Now there are bleaker movies, but most of those don't have a man eating bear. No, they don't have a constant element of betrayal running throughout the entire film. And we're of course talking about the Edge from nineteen ninety seven starring Alec Baldwin and Sir Anthony Hopkins. Which is the last time I'll say that because I don't respect the monarchy. We know this already. Oh well, if I if I actually I probably about the monarchy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know I'm not a drinking man, But if I were a drinking man, first thing would be the monarchy. That's how you know. I was four beers in. Okay, you'd be like, it's all said, like, let me tell you what the queen actually has done. Reminds me of that meme that my girlfriend shared to be a couple of days or a couple of weeks ago, that brag and look at him tired. It was, I'm not going to drink tonight me after one beer. What is nickelback ever done to anybody? You know? I mean, yeah, a lot, but

2:44 but multiple nickelback? Well you said I owned multiple copies of nickelback, and yet wow, I mean, I mean, okay, rude. It's public opinion. I'm not here to I'm not I'm just here to tell them to please calm down, calm down. But oh my goodness, The Edge is one of my favorite movies that I discovered a little later in life. I was actually directing a movie called Devil's Trail, which was written by my good buddy Jeremy Bilts. It was the first time you watched it, at least the first time I watched it. That wasn't you know, on cable like halfway through. So I was directing this film and it was written by Jeremy Bilts, and in it, in his dialogue, it was about two characters who are lost in the woods and they're filming a reality TV show, and in it it basically my character at one point just he's the comic relief and he mentions like, ooh, let's let's play like it's the Edge, and I'll be Anthony Hopkins and you could be the young supple Alec Baldwin. And I love that the line was the young supple Alec Baldwin. But he is young and supple in this. This is peak Alec Baldwin. I mean, obviously, there Alec Baldwin, in my opinion, has two peaks. He has the peak of the nineties, like nineteen ninety seven, ninety eight is kind of peaked Baldwin, and then the thirty Rock peak. Yes, so he's very fortunate he got two. Yeah, he absolutely did. We'll get to him a little later when we get into the cast, because there's one year in particular with him that is like, you know how Jim Carrey has I think it's ninety four that was the mask Dumb and Dumber in East Ventura.

4:15 Yeah, pretty much. Aldwin beats him by two more movies in the same year, in the same year, not ninety four. But we'll get to it. Yeah, we'll get to Wow. Okay, I see I did not recall that. Yeah, so well, So with that all being said, as you, my dear viewer, who caught me with my phone, I forgot to put it away. My dear viewers, as you were watching this, I am actually living my own version in the edge because I am up in northern Michigan. We pre recorded this well obviously, Yeah, and as you were viewing this, I am in Michigan. This is true all the way up at the tip of the Mitten and because I like to be cold. I like to be very, very cold. I am not a man of subtlety. I am not a man of simplicity. So when it's winter, I go vacation where there's more winter, not less. You really do, so that's my move. My move is like, all right, well you know if I if I like snow, yeah, well then I'm gonna love being right next to Lake Huron. So I'm in a cabin right now as you're watching this and having a wonderful time eating flap Jackson bacon every morning. We mentioned I mentioned this a little bit before on the show, But I go to I feel like I almost shouldn't give away the name because it's so the place is so small. You could find me there, you could, like you could, you can't have any psychotically, like the place I vacation at is such a small town that I mean, you'd have to know when I was there, but that if you just looked for an

5:46 Ohio license plate, it'd probably be b yeah. Like it's a town so small that the traffic lights are shut off during the winter. They just don't bother, they just blink. Uh. The grocery store is reduced to short hours. I think it's opened six hours a day. And I'll never forget going in and asking the guy do you have milk? And he just went, oh, if you want milk, you gotta go to Shepwaygan. And he was dead serious. He was like sorry he was he actually said, he was like sometimes I have milk on Mondays. Like, I just love the idea of just the store just has canned foods and liquor, I mean, and a big silence says taste great, taste that tastes great together.

6:29 No, I mean they have a few other The only thing that that place had that was shockingly great cold cut sandwiches, and they always have a soup at the day. Oh so h. But the guy lives there, as far as I could tell you, the owner lives there, because when when I came out, he had said like, oh, yeah, I got some soup going I'm gonna have He literally was like, yeah, I've been have that for lunch and then it'll be available right after lunch. That's for everybody. That's so great. So he was like, today it felt like split pea. You know, it's kind of a split pea morning. So you can go there and get like salted meats, canned goods, butter, things like that. But otherwise you're going to Sheboygan. Yeah, Sheboygan's like a half an hour away. And if you don't go to Sheboygan, Sheboygan is where you're gonna get like the big box stores. That's where you're going to get like a Walmart or a Target or something like that. Because if you drive straight north further you end up in you end up in Nacinas City, which is beautiful by the way, but it is it's basically a hangout place for people waiting to go to Mackinac Island, which is a tourist destination, and people really enjoy it. So it's got a really cute movie theater which I went to one time and saw the movie Megan there. It's got, you know, a few fast food restaurants, a few really nice restaurants, but it doesn't have like a Walmart, it doesn't have a Best Buy, it doesn't have any of those things. It's a little town. And then if you want the next closest town, you kind have to cross the bridge into the Upper Peninsula and go to Saint Ignatius. I think, as I say it which has a nice cigar store I went to. I want a couple of cigars, but overall not really worth driving across the like five

8:00 mile long bridge. But that so that being said, you know, I pack everything I can. Yeah, And I tell you I lean so heavy into those I don't know the tropes of winter. Ye. Like, I show up and I'm like, all right, got two dozen eggs, got a pound of bacon, got one of those big loafs of freakin' aumish butter. I got canned soup, I got stewing stuff, and I'm already to go. That's what I do. Yeah, And I show up and I show up at by like big parkas you're in the epitome of a Red Dead NPC. You are the epitome of the Red Dead NPC. My god, I mean when you camera doing hey mister, hey, mister hel help over here, and then you tried to steal my horse. Yeah, I did.

8:48 I appreciate you only shooting me in the leg. You're a good guy. You're a good guy. So but no, so I love snowiness. And so only about two years ago did I discover, living in southern Ohio, that if I really wanted that wintry getaway, which I have fond memories. It's kind of like, you know, there are in a lot of ways, I'm like Dickens, but no, but Dickens. Dickens grew up in a time period the guy wrote Christmas Carol and some seconds. He grew up in a time when there was actually like a really severe cold front all through Europe. So wintertime was very very cold and it started early, which is why his vision of Christmas was all snow and cold and ice, when in reality this is going to bother some people. Sorry, but Ohio's weather dateon Ohio in particular, what we're based out of, is actually very similar to London, England. It's actually very similarly temperate. So it's more like you might get snow in December, but January February, that's when winter happens.

9:48 Yeah, I feel like white Christmases for us are very hit and miss. Well, we've had him a few times in a row. On one hand, for the most part. On one well, I mean, if you're going to talk last five years, we had two in a row. Did Yeah, this year we didn't have one. We had two in a row before that, and they were both at the last minute. Ye, the first snow of the year was like the twenty second h That was when I got to drive in a freaking patch of ice to Christmas Eve at my sister's house. Well, I remember because that one year it was just a dusting of snow one Christmas morning, because my social media all said like big shout out to Mother Nature for finishing off my Christmas decorations. But anyway, so but I so much like Dickens had his experience. I would go to New Hampshire for Christmas a lot as a kid, and the snow is it's crazy, and it gets really tall, and it would get to the point where, like we would my dad would would be like, oh hell, I ran out of cigarettes when I was visiting him, and his buddy Shirley would just pull up his fucking ski do would be like, all right, where are we fucking going? Oh my god, and we would get on the skid on the snowmobile and we would ride around because that was what you would what you could get anywhere. Yeah, and you didn't need a truck with chains or whatever. So anyway, my point is one year I needed a writing hiatus or escape rather and I not a writing hiatus. But uh, and I decided to go to northern Michigan. Yeah, and everybody was like, are you seriously going to drive five hours north in the winter.

11:18 But then the other thing is people were like, is it even it's not even snowy here, like it's even gonna be any good? And then I got up there, I was like, it's not the same world. Once you get past like the middle of Michigan, it is different. It snows all the time, it gets very cold, really suddenly, and there's very little warning. The first week I was up there, it predicted they predicted snow two days out of seven, and it snowed every single day I was there. But it snowed severely two days seven. So it's like anyway, But my point is, so I never really realized that as a Ohioan, I had an ultimate snowy getaway just waiting for me slightly north. You're making me want to take this trip at some point. Well, I mean I would bring you up. You, I mean, you ain't coming home, but you're welcome to come up with me, fair enough. But and the other great thing I mentioned before is the whole state's like on sale. Everything's cheaper. Everything's either cheaper or more expensive. There's no in between. The isolation aspect of it would give me when we went to we went to Smoky Mountains about two three years ago for Ali's birthday and I just had a great time just being in a cabin and just not having anything to do that.

12:26 I just love that love. I love being in a cabin that's thirty nine dollars a night. That's even better. Yeah, and it's heated and has Wi Fi. That's even better. So no, it's It's one of my favorite things to do. And I have been overworking myself recently. I love what we're doing here at do you even movie? Yeah, but on top of all the other things I do, it can be a bit of a bear. Papa needs a break and hence a bit of a bear. Yeah, is our lead and to talking about the edge, So Dave give us those beautiful detail so before I get to the details. My first time seeing this movie, by the way, I this was this wasn't a point in my life when you know, I had money, I was working, I was still still in high school and whatnot. So I would make a regular trip to my local f Ye can just imagine you with a monocle and just busting into a little room and going crotch it. You'll walk through Christmas and it's like a tiny Tims and you're like, all the way to f y E, I go, my god, So yeah, I would. I mean I would go to our local f ye. It was. It was a decent store because I mean, you you've if you've been, remember Yu was called It's for your Entertainment. It's still around, but it's much less than Sam good physical media store. Yeah, and you know our local one.

13:41 It was small, but it had a lot of really it had a really good selection. So it got to a point where I would go there so often. I think you can relate to this with your trip's the best buy on the day. I would just start buying, buying stuff that was either there that I hadn't seen before, or stuff that, like I saw was regularly restocked because I was like, well, if it sells this much, it's gotta be good. Well tow thousand and four, in two thousand and five was that era for me of just buying whatever was on the shelf at best Buy if it was under fifteen bucks. Yeah, and that's the thing. The Edge was one of those titles that I maybe heard about. I'd never seen it on TV, but i'd maybe heard about it, and it was like a six ninety nine DVD at that point. So I bought it, took it home, watched it, and enjoyed it, but for the most part, really never went back to it again until about probably five or seven years later, when for some reason I decided to upgrade to a Blu Ray, got the Blu Ray, and then realized how much I freaking loved this. Was that influenced by my viewing of it, because I very well could That was around the time I saw it for the first time.

14:35 Very well could have. You could have, because you have a good habit of doing that where it's like there's a movie that I've seen where it's like I remember it being good, but then you were like, you know, you need to go watch it. Yeah, yeah, Well, and that one I remember when you got the Blu Ray because you brought it over to my place because I had watched it on some unnamed cable channel and it was crop. Yeah, because this shot in scope, yeah, super wide screen, so it's like super wide screen. I could actually do it it's like that, but on on cable a lot of times HBO started this and some other places they would crop in a little so it would be sixteen by nine. You're not losing as much as the old school pan and skin and make it square, kid, make it square. But no, So I'm shocked that you had this movie in your repertoire. I then kind of forgot about it for minute. I don't know. I don't know if it was just maybe I was still a little too young then to pick up on the whole infidelity aspect of it, because to properly place the feelings Alec Baldwin was making you feel inside could be that. But no, I mean, yeah, it was one of those movies that second, like you know, a rewatch on it made me look like I love those moments where it's like I was stupid, this is really good. That's that was me with a few movies like Straight into Darkness. Yeah, the second I rewatched Straight into Darkness, I was like, what the hell was wrong with me? Why did I think this was just okay? Dead Presidents was one the first time I ever saw it, I did not like it, like at all, And I don't know if it was just because I wasn't expecting it to be so bleak.

15:58 But no, like on a I rewatch, I was like, this movie is so stupid good. I love everything about it. Do you Even movie will be right back, welcome back to do you even movie? Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, The Edge is one of those. But yeah, getting into the pertinent deeds. We are talking about The Edge from nineteen ninety seven, one hour, fifty seven minutes, rated R. This film is directed by Lee Tomahorri. He was a director who got his start in the sound department. He was a boom operator on a film called Skin Deep in seventy eight, did boom operation for Sons of hern Home Goodbye pork Pie, Treasure of Yankee, Zephyr Battle Truck in eighty two, goes to do second unit on a film called Wild Horses in eighty three. Oh that's a good film. Wild Horses a good film. Really good film. Merry Christmas, mister Lawrence trustpasses eighty four, The Quiet Earth in eighty five, and then not until the nineties that he have his directorial debut with Once More Warriors.

17:00 In ninety four. He goes on to do Maholland Falls, which is a little a fun, little gangster movie with a Nick nol I've always enjoyed. Yeah, that's what I would like to sit down and really watch. I be down there. Then he does the Edge of ninety seven, follows that up with The Sopranos in two thousand direct some episodes episode of Sopranos, did Along came of Spider two thousand and one, Die the Other Day, Love Along came Spider too. Yeah, kiss the girls, Kiss the Girls, and along came of Spider. Absolute best of the Alex Cross series. I mean, even though there was technically only three because Tyler Perry did that one that was just called Alex Cross. But the Morgan, Yeah, Alex Cross that Yeah. So then he does Die Another Day in two thousand and two. Triple X stated of the Union two thousand and five, next with Nicholas Cage and O seven, The Devil's Double twenty eleven, The Patriarch in twenty sixteen, does a couple episodes of Billions in twenty twenty, Wow, and this guy's been everywhere. Man has a film coming out this year called The Convert in twenty twenty three, or that was shot in twenty twenty three, So he got his start working on some Australian productions and then our writer on this is David Mammott. He was the right playwright, very famous, Bamo the Mammot. Hold on, let's give it up for David Manon.

18:07 David Mammon is one of those names that if you don't know, shame on the man who gave us what's my name? My name's fuck you? Oh boy, did he do that? I love that he No, I love him because well he's a phenomenal writer. Yeah. His dialogue is second to none. Yeah, but he gives you stuff like first place is a new Cadillac car. Yeah, second place is a set of state time third places, you're fired. We're quoting Glengarry Glenn Ross, like crazy. I still have a coffee mug that my boss legitimately got me for Christmas one year that says coffee closers. Yeah, no, that's a that's a good one too. Yeah, ABC always be closing. I used to joke, So my mother had a high powered, somewhat high powered corporate job. Yeah, and I used to joke whenever she was fed up with her employees, I was like, just bring me in, don't explain who I am at all.

18:53 I will fire anybody and I'll do it like Alec Baldwin and Glengarry Glenn Ross. Yeah. My mom was like, the only problem with that is I have a human heart. Yeah, And I was like, I don't have that problem. Let's akon Aperfols joke. Congratulations, third place, You're fired. But no, no, so David Mammontt, Yeah, he's got You're about to read a list of very good films. Of course. Obviously, David Mammontt was first a playwright player. I was incredibly famous. But his plays always translated so interestingly. And notice, because I'm a realistic film fan. M hmm, I said, they translate interestingly because they aren't all great. They aren't a great no, but a lot of them are so I mean, god down minute the writer. For his writing credits, he was he had The Life in the Theater in nineteen seventy nine. He did the screenplay for The Postman Always Rings Trice remake in eighty one, The Verdict in eighty two, About Last Night, nineteen eighty six, The Untouchables, Yes, Brian de Palma is The Untouchables. He wrote the screenplay for Right That I did not know, Yeah. Eighty seven. He goes on to be the writer and director of House of Games in eighty seven, as well does directing again with Things Change in eighty eight, We're No Angels in eighty nine.

20:00 Glendarry Glenn Ross ninety two, HAFA ninety two. He is a reproduction of Life in the Theater in ninety three, American Buffalo ninety six, Wag the Dog ninety seven, ron In ninety eight, Lansky ninety nine, Director and writer of State in Maine in two thousand, writer of Hannibal in two thousand and one. I always forget that that, Okay, I try not to be a negative guy. Yeah. That sounds like they were desperate for it to be good. Yeah, So they like just offered him a pile of money and he just did what he could with it. Harrott Thomas Harris, I believe was originally supposed to write the screenplay, but he like completely turned it down after a while, and to then they gave him more money to I think complete either the next novel or the novel he was working on.

20:41 I can't remember. Do you remember on the show Entourage when they were down in South America filming mediem Medians, and they were like, we're screwed. We don't have an ending. We have to come up with a new ending. So they ended up just going like, well, get the best writer we can get because we have to because they spent so much money. So they're like, uh, Andrew Sorkin. So Andrew Sorkin like gets on a plane to fly there and they give him apot. I think they said they give him like a half a million dollars. But then he gets there and the director ended up writing it, well I read it, it was good. Uh see you guys later. I feel like I feel like that's almost what happened here is they were like, mister Mammot, we will give you a suitcase of money if you will please make Hannibal not suck. Because I recently revisited Hannibal, and as somebody who has probably seen that movie three times, now, wait you go as somebody who has eaten human flesh, it is It's a mess. My god, it was just a mess.

21:33 That was one of those movies I watched as a teen and was like this isn't what is wrong with this? Yeah, So then one of my favorite films of mammontt in two thousand and one, he does Heist with Gene Hackman Danna de Vito. It's a movie you haven't seen that I really would love to see it. I mean, I love a movie with a simple title like Heist. Yeah. Spartan two thousand and four, which is a little kidnap story he did with Val Kilmer, and he does Edmund in two thousand and five. Oh, he wrote Edmund. Yes, he wrote Edmund. David Mammont wrote Edmund. That's too much. Yeah, he wrote that. I've just thrilled and amazed that Stuart Gordon got the direct a Mammot script. No kidding, right, that's amazing. If you a listener have not seen the two thousand and five film with William It's basic called Edmund. It's really very good. It's very good. Directed by the man, the myth, the legend, rest in peace, Stuart Gordon, the man behind Reanimator, the man behind dolls, the man behind robot jocks, the man behind so many honey I shrunk the kids wrote it. Well, he didn't direct that one, to know, he just wrote it with him and Dennis Paoli wrote it. Who were the team behind Reanimator? He had so many fascinating and creative films. And Stuart Gordon was truly a genius. And he started in theater, which maybe has a reason why Mammott and him were working together.

22:48 But he had a weird era in the early two thousands where he got movies you just wouldn't expect made and they just kind of came and went. Movie called Deathbed, that's not death produced. He didn't direct it, Yeah, that's true. No, but I'm thinking more of King of the Ants. Oh, King the Ants. Yeah, I'm thinking of King of the Ants. I'm thinking of I love everybody got to see a cringe? When do you like? He didn't direct it? Nobody did King of the Ants. Yeah, he did Edmund, he did Stuck, Stuck yep, and those three movies kind of came and went. Even though I haven't seen Stuck, but Edmund and King of the Ants are like ten out of ten movie. King of the Ants, he's a god damn blue ray release King of the Ants. Seek out King of the Ants. Yeah, first film produced by the company that would become the Global Asylum, the company behind Shark Joda Nato, so very much worth your time. But yeah, I had no idea he wrote Edmund So then The Unit in two thousand and six, the TV series which he also directed. He did the Phil Spector movie for HBO in twenty thirteen, and then has one coming out in twenty twenty three, or that he did in twenty twenty three called The Petitent. So Mammott has just had a line of wins and losses, but amazing content in my opinion, Yeah, a lot, a lot, a lot. So wrapping us up on our crew. We also had the cinematographer Donald McAlpine. Now, this gentleman, from what I can tell from his resume, this is an oxploitation guy because he was the lighting cameraman on the Adventures of Barry Mackenzie in nineteen seventy two. Does Barry Mackenzie Holds his Own in seventy four, Patrick in seventy eight, the movie about the telekinetic man and a coma causing all kinds of mayhem, Money Movers in seventy eight, Breaker Morant in eighty Peuity Blues

24:18 eighty one, Tempest eighty two, Moscow on the Hudson in eighty four. Then he goes into his cinematographer career in Down and Out in Beverly Hills in eighty six, Predator eighty seven, Moving eighty eight, Parenthood eighty nine, The Hard Way ninety one, Career Opportunities, Medicine Man, Patriot Games, May Without a Face, Missus, Doubtfire Clear and Present Danger, Nine Months, Romeo and Juliet, The Edge, Step Mom, Mulan Rouge, The Time Machine, Anger Management, Peter Pan, Chronicles of Narnia, X Men, Orts's Wolverine Enders Game. Then he goes back to Australia and does The Dressmaker in twenty fifteen, Alli's Wedding twenty seventeen, Lambs of God twenty nineteen, The Portable Door in twenty twenty three. He's working exclusively in Australia now. They probably want to be around his family or something, but it sounds like a guy who built his career in Australia. K Hollywood Now. And this is something we love to point out here at do You even movie is cinematographers? As I often say, everybody, movie's got to have a camera, it's gotta have it pointed, somebody to point it. And that's an oversimplification of what cinematographers do. As a cinematographer, I could say that but it is amazing how many times you'll look up a cinematographer and be like, I wonder what they've done, and be like, okay, so they did make In County Jail for Roger Gorman and then Beethoven. You know, that's just an example of yeah, I made that up, but it really is, Like do you remember that time I was I was watching this as forty the j photography, and I was like, huh, the DP, Like the cinematography is really interesting. I wonder who did it? So I clicked on him. His first film was Stripped to Kill Two Live Girls. Yep.

25:48 So you never know who you're gonna get when it comes to cinematography, because everybody has to start somewhere. Dean Kundy became synonymous with master cinematography. He started on Halloween, but he also did a few B movies before that. I think he did Satan's Cheerleader Cheerleaders Yip, which was, you know, in a lot of areas considered almost a porno. Yeah, even though it was not, it was not. But my point is like he started there, then he ends up doing Back to the Future Jurassic Park. Yes, he becomes he becomes Bob Zamechus's guy, he becomes Steven Spielberg's guy, becomes Dick Donner's guy for a minute, he's That's the way it goes. So that's why we always throw in the cinematographer's details, because you're gonna find stuff like that. We're gonna be like, oh he did, Patrick, Yeah, and going back to Patrick. If you are not familiar with the term of osploitation, that is Australian exploitation films, there is a fantastic documentary I have seen countless times. It's literally one of the movies I throw on if I don't know what to watch, called Not Quite Hollywood, and it is the story of the ousplitation boom from the eighties into the late nineties, all about the Australian filmmaking that was going on that brought us Matt Max, the Barry Mackenzie movies, Halling three, Fuck. I mean, there's so many that you can just name Razorback. I mean it goes on and on.

26:59 Yeah, there were a lot of really interesting ones, and the biggest one that nearly everybody knows is Mad Max because Mad Max was straight up an ouspilitation movie that became national and international as well. So wow, well, hell of a hell of a DP. And I want to say, the way this movie looks, I really like, it's not that hard to DP a movie. I'm sure that he worked very hard. I'm not trying to pick on him. But you're in a beautiful location in the mountains in winter. The best situation you can have as a DP if you're shooting outside is a cloudy day, because then the light is softened. Then you can throw some light, you can bounce some light, you can do a few other things. But that being said, I always felt like watching this film, he maximized the use of natural light, but what he really maximized was the use of that scope space of the ultra wide screen. I felt that the film looked incredible. Yeah, and I can imagine how disappointing it would you to see it all like a four x three cross. It was still pretty boss. Yeah. But so moving into the film itself, let's go with the twentieth century Fox DVD synopsis of The Edge. A plane crash in the freezing Alaskan wilderness pits intellectual billionaire Charles Morris against self established fashion photographer Robert Green in a brutal struggle for survival. Each soon discover the greatest danger resides not in nature, but in human fear, treachery, and quite possibly murder.

28:25 This nerve wracking adventure, filled with NonStop action and gripping suspense, is a harrowing tale for one of America's leading screenwriters, David mammontt Well. First of all, spoiler alert, Yes, I mean hinting at the man versus man thing. That's kind of a subtle thing that gets less subtle every act. Yeah. Absolutely, And this film has very very clear acts. Yes, And as a first act, second act, and the third act you don't even get to the snowy stuff till the middle of the second act absolutely, which is kind of awesome. It makes you earn it. Ooh, it absolutely is my synopsis. After being stranded in the Alaskan wilderness and they're playing crashes, two men have to decide to put their differences aside and work together to survive and make it back home. But as the temperature continues to drop, their blood beginst the boil, and a Kodiak bear is not their only enemy to face in the wilderness. I mean slightly less spoilery, so I'll take it. No, but I mean that's a pretty good synopsis. Well, thank you. So moving into the cast, we have three big names in this. We're gonna start with Sir Anthony Hopkins, who plays Charles Morrise one hundred and forty five credits on his resume. By the way, I thought it'd be more. I thought it would be more. Baldwin beats him by four. That doesn't surprise me, So I guess he's not a sellout piece of crap like Michael Kane. This is a selective now a selective filmography.

29:37 So Fleer in Your Ear starts his career in nineteen sixty seven, The Lion in the Winter sixty eight. He does Hamlet in sixty nine, The Looking Glass War in the seventy When eight Bells Toll in seventy one, Juggernaut seventy four, Audrey Rose in seventy seven, which I forgot about, The Oh Yeah, Yeah Yeah Magic in nineteen seventy eight, The Elephant Man in nineteen eighty, The Bounty nineteen eighty four, The Dawning in eighty eight, The Tenth Man in eighty eight is well, Desperate Hours in nineteen ninety, Silence of the Lambs ninety one, Free Jack in ninety two, Bromstokers, Dracula ninety two, Chaplain of ninety two, Legends of the Fall, Nixon The Edge, Amistad, Mask of Zorro, Meet Joe Black, Instinct, Titus, all of which are in the nineties. Yeah, the nineties were his hated. Well. Yeah, it was just NonStop after after silence of the Lambs for him. That was when America was like, we love you, Anthony Hopkins, do a lot of cool stuff here. Yeah. And yet later in his career, you got Mission Impossible two in two thousand, how the grin Stool, Christmas two thousand, Hannibal in two thousand and one, Hearts in Atlantis, Red Dragon, The Human Stain, Alexander, World's fastest Indian fracture, Slipstream, which I want to bring up Slipstream for a second, because did you know that he is also a composer. I had no idea about that. So Andre Rayou did a little special and I want to say the early two thousands where he actually played a piece that Hopkins had composed. I remember seeing that viral video. I remember seeing that, and yeah, he seemed very moved. He did the entire score for Slipstream in two thousand and seven, so when he first got his noting for his composing BeO Wolf two thousand and seven, The Wolfman twenty ten, The Right Thor

31:08 Hitchcock Read two thor Dark World, Noah Misconduct, Transformers, The Last Night, Westworld, and Freud's Last Session, which just came out last year. I would like to see Freud's Last Session because as you named those, I started to realize that only Hitchcock was any good in my opinion. I liked Red too well, well any good meaning like, of course, there's a reason to like the Transformer movies. They're fun, they're entertaining, they're wild, but they're not Titus. No, I enjoyed Titus. That's my point. I like Titus as well. They're not the Elephant Man, they're not Dracula, They're not you know, I will say, I do like twenty tens wolf Man with Nisio del Toro. Well, that makes one. I saw it in theaters all the time with it, I watched it. I didn't hate it. I didn't love it, though. That's the unfortunate regual.

32:00 Do you even movie will be right back, welcome back to do you even movie. So moving on to our second lead, we have mister Alec Baldwin one hundred and forty nine credits. He plays Robert Green in this film. He had the Doctors in nineteen eighty, Sweet Revenge in eighty four, Hotel in nineteen eighty five, Knots Landing in eighty five, She's having a baby in eighty eight. No, yeah, he wasn't that. This is the year, so she's having a baby nineteen eighty eight, Beatlejuice nineteen eighty eight, Married to the Mob nineteen eighty eight, Working Girl nineteen eighty eight, Talk Radio nineteen eighty eight, Hunt for Right October nineteen ninety, Miami Blues ninety Glen Barry Ross ninety three, Malice ninety three, The Getaway ninety four, The Shadow ninety four, The jur Ghost of Mississippi, Mercury Rising, notting Hill, Thomas and The Magic Railroad, State Maine, Royal, Tenebombs, Adventures of Pluto, Nash, The Cat Hat, The Cooler SpongeBob SquarePants Movie, The Aviator, Fun with Dick and Jane, Rise of the Or, The Departed, The Good Shepherd, My Sister's Keeper, Hick, Rock of Ages, Rise of The Guardians, Still Alice, Concussion, The Boss, Baby, the Public, Drunk Parents, and Tar in twenty twenty two. Of those last few, I like Drunk Parents, Get Out, really Fun Flag. But yeah, no Baldwin. At this point in Baldwin's career, he is he's had his heyday, but he's still on his way up somehow. Yeah no, I would agree. So our last and final,

33:31 I'm gonna give a little more information to this poor chap. This is Bart the Bear, who plays the bear in the movie. I thought Bart the Bear was the old guy who owns the cabin at the beginning. That's that Bart the Bear. That's LQ LQ Thomas. His name LQ Jones. I love el Jones, LQ Jones. That's gonna be my name when I'm a private investigator. I could see that. But Bart the Bear, he was one of the most remarkable animal stars. Born in nineteen seventy seven, He's one of Hollywood's most from our Animal stars. Brought to the Utah animal trainer Doug Seuss and Lynn Seuss, he was fifteen hundred pounds and nine nine and seven and a half of a feet tall by the end of his career. Wow, so he was a lot like Orson Wells, a lot like Gorson Wells. But sorry, that's pretty funny. But now to give you perspective on Bart the bear. He worked with the likes of Robert Redford, Morgan Freeman, John Candy, dan ackroyd Ethan Hawke, Steven Seagal, Brad pitt, Alec Baldwin, Anthony Hopkins. They even quoted Hopkins. Lenz SEUs quoted Hopkins as being absolutely brilliant with Bart acknowledging he respected him like a fellow actor, would spend hours just looking at him and admiring him. And in ninety eight he made a public appearance at the sevenieth Academy Awards and handed Mike Myers an envelope on stage. Wow, Yeah, I would be I would like some risk pay if I was in that situation. He was the spokes bear for Vital Ground Foundation, which is a nonprofit conservation organization that works to preserve threaten white wildlife habitats along the Rocky Mountains and Kodiak Island, North America,

35:02 and once Bart unfortunately caught cancer, he was served as the spokes bear for the Animal Cancer Center at Colorado State University. He was unfortunately euthanized in two thousand and seven when the cancer took away his appetite and his ability to use his clause, they had to put him down peacefully. But Bart the Bear's legacy carries on with the films here, which were Wind Talker in nineteen eighty, The Clave of the The Clan of the Cave Bear in nineteen eighty six. What did he play in Clave of the Cambata Bear, Benji the Hunted in eighty seven, Berserker, The Vinegar Cid released Berserker, that movie's Insane, Great Outdoors eighty eight, The Bear in eighty eight, Young Riders eighty nine, Giant of Thunder, Mountain in nineteen ninety, White Fang ninety one, Homeward Bound, The Incredible Journey Home ninety three, On Deadly Ground ninety four, Legends of the Fall ninety four, Walking Thunder ninety five, Twelve Monkeys in ninety five, Homeward Bound two, Lost in San Francisco ninety six, The Edge of ninety seven, and then his final feature was Meet the Needles The Needles in nineteen ninety eight. Huh yeah, Barth the Bear is one of those bears that you've seen a movie he's in one of those bears. He was pretty much the Bear the Bear most films in the nineties, so much so that Bart the Bear two is actually not one of his offspring. He just carries the notoriety of having that same power for the films that Barth the Bear two is in. And I think Bart the Bear we lost around the late twenty tens. Yeah you just oh you mean Bart the Bear the second? Yeah, the second? Okay, gotcha, gotcha?

36:23 Yeah, Bartha Bear two, oh not as well, not as well. But no, do you want to get into the edge riquet? I mean, I mean I either we should or we shouldn't at this point. So The Edge is a film that is the absolute adventure struggle between two We have a billionaire and we have a fashion photographer. The film starts as we see a pan across an airport, an Alaska airport, as we meet Charles, who is played by Anthony Hopkins, arriving with his wife Mickey, who was played by Ella McPherson. He goes into a hangar and a mechanic comments on, man, I'd love to own her. I I love to said, he said, like I'd love to get my hands, get hands on her that on that. Yeah, I'd love to get my hands on that, and Hopkins is like, excuse me, and he's like the plane which which but it was fun but it's extra funny because when you think about you're like, oh, yeah, that's like a really expensive jet, like I bet he would like to fly the Mechanic with. Yes. Absolutely. So we meet Roberts, we meet Charles, and we meet Mickey and the rest of the crew, which includes Kathleen Whittholt who's played Carrie Anne and Roadhouse. And we also what is her name in Witchboard? She plays the psychic and Witchboard that I can't think of the name of. I can't think of the name of that, but yeah, she's the one says t TFNA to For now.

37:34 We also have Harold Perrinew who most will know is Augustus Hill in Oz. He is in this as well. Yes, and he's super good and I feel so bad for him his character. He feels like the insert for the audience in the movie not prepared scared as hell. Meanwhile, Alec Baldwin and Anthony Hopkins have their own this old, their own thing going on. Yeah, but his character is just kind of stuck in the middle of a really horrific reality. Absolutely is. So they're flying in the plane and Baldwin's talking about this nice watch that he got and Anthony Hopkins is reading a survival book. They land and they meet Styles, who was played by l Q. Jones. You may know l Q Jones as he is the bounty hunter in the Mask of Zorro. He's the casino or one of the casino inspectors and casino that busts Robert de Niro for not having his license. Ah, and he's also that old guy in every movie that you know, Yeah, yeah, pretty much. You know him by the mustache. But they land, they meet Styles at his cabin. He walks them through a beautiful cabin.

38:30 Inside they've got full bedrooms, kitchen, everything, and they go inside the cabin and they're going over everything. Robert then points out a photo that's on the wall and he says that he wants to mimic the style. You can't get the pictures like this. This is an old picture, and that's when Styles tells him that picture was actually taken a few months ago by himself. He took it last summer. Yeah, of a Native American named Jack who is a hunter out in the area. And that's when Alec Baldwin kind of gets a laugh out of Anthony Hopkins. So Styles points out the photo has taken a few months, Mack. And also this is the point where we can see how smart chart. So Charles is a billionaire e centric who basically knows everything, as they say, yeah, because he's when he finds an interest in something, he just immediately dives all the way in. Oh, so it's you. I mean, I can I can be a savant at times. I have been known to get a little overboard. So but but it's it's an incredible scene. If you don't mind, I'll break this.

39:20 So basically, the gentleman who owns this lodge that is I mean completely isolated, only accessible by an airplane, by a bushplane. Yes, that they get to the point where they don't even have locks on the doors. Yeah, don't bother y. And during the summer, everybody hunts and traps. In the winter, very few people hunt and trap because it's so treacherous. Yeah. But at one point he says like oh he knows everything. He goes okay, and he pulls this ore like a boat oar off the wall, and it has what was it on the one side? Panther? Panther? Yes, has a panther on the ore. And he says, then what's on the other side of this ore? And Hopkins in just that perfect moment, without a moment, he just he just sits, there goes rabbit smoking a pipe and everybody's like, well, and then he turns it around. There's a rabbit smoking a pipe on the other side there. How did you know? He's like, He's like, it's not it's not psychic ability or anything. It's just a little bit of luck. It's an old symbol, it's a famous symbol. But they mentioned why is the rabbit smoking a pipe? And he says, because he knows he's smarter than the panther.

40:19 And that is the beginning of a lot of there's we're not going to be able to tell you all the foreshadowing of this film much we will. We will do our best to inform you of things that we really have caught in this film for multiple viewings. But there's a lot to catch and a lot that's easy to miss. But that is a moment that really tells you that our main character is very learned he's very book smart, but he often mentions that he feels like everything, all, all that he knows in the world is theoretical. Yeah, and that also plays a pretty big part and one big plus to this character. It is so common. It is basically a trope that this character is a billionaire. It is a trope to have billionaires be lazy, to be boorish and rude and selfish. But this character is consistently he's consistently shown to be intelligent. Yeah, he's shown to be very caring. In fact, the survival book he's reading at the beginning is a birthday gift from his assistance, who literally says, like for being the most thoughtful man I know. And he's you know, reading it, flipping through it while people are doing things, because meanwhile, as they're they're in the middle of this place, you're wondering what are they doing out there?

41:43 It's all because his wife is a model, And they don't really they don't fully suggest if she's like super successful or if it's just she's married to a billionaire so they can just go do expensive shoots wherever they want. They don't really reference that, and that you don't really need to know that, but they're at this place so that Baldwin the photographer can get some great shots of his wife. Yeah, and he just likes going to remote places and hanging out. And there is this little bit of a melancholy as he realizes that nobody's really aware it's his birthday. Yeah, so he's just hanging out. They're talking about like what photos they're gonna get tomorrow and when the light come, like when the sun sets, and just trying to get all these things down MEI mentioned, by the way, the sunsets at four point fifteen, which makes sense when you're in the mountains that deep. Yeah, no, it absolutely does so, and that far north. Following up with the foreshadowing, that's what l Q. Jones's character styles tell us them that they do have bears in the area, and he warns people to never leave food uncovered and if they come in contact with a bear, to stand still and slowly back up. Don't do anything except those two things. Yeah, do not have any picanic baskets. No picannic baskets. So later that night, we see the generator run out of power as the lights go down. Inside the cabin, Charles is reading his survival book and they have various lanterns around the room. Mickey confirms her love to her as gets ready for bed and climbs into bed, and that's when Charles decides to venture down to the kitchen.

43:02 He's gonna make a sandwich, but he notices that the door it's for her. Oh she wants a sandwich, right, Yeah, So the door blows open, and that's when he notices that there's the ham out and that the smell could be wafted out by the wind. So he cautiously goes to the door, slams it shut, turns around and checks and sees nothing. So he gets a sandwich. He goes into a room, but as he opens the door, he startled as a bear leaps out and then the bar yell surprise, along with a bunch of other people. Yeah, and it's and this is a great moment in the filmmaking of the film of the movie because we see the bear, we hear the bear roar. Yes, But then we realized that that was the fear in Hopkins character as the moment that you have a second to think, you realize it's not a bear, it's a bear skin rug and Alec Baldwin's wearing it, and he had just jumped out and went raw. And that I love that because some people would say, oh, that's cheap, like it fools the audience. Well, first of all, it's supposed to fool the audience. The second of all, the point of that is that Hopkins really thought there was a bear. His fear is what made it convincing. And that's why when he falls down and he seems really scared, even Alec Baldwin's like, dude, are you all right?

44:12 He's surprised it scared him that bad. This reveals his birthday was not gotten, and everyone at the cabin is ready to kick back with him, celebrate his birthday. Hit back a few Bruce Skis, yep, maybe take just want to take your picture, just want to take a picture that went dark. But now they they want to hang out, drink champagne, give him gifts and and his wife who I think that immediately, as the audience, we're supposed to wonder like, why is this young model, Well we know why this young model is with this old, handsome but very old billionaire guy who also gives this this really lonely sense about him. He's he's a loner in this, but he's also has that I feel that he has that charisma where he is smarter than everybody in the room. I mean, they establish that, but he's so cool and calm and collected that you just never know what's going to come out of him. Yeah. No, he's just kind of there. He's always listening and paying attention. That's so now everything is kind of chilled out. Yep. They've eaten the cake his wife, and that is it is a sweet moment where his wife's like, I would not forget your birthday. Yeah, come on, like why wouldn't. And that's when Robert gives a toast, thanking him for his good nature, his generosity and his intelligence. And that's when his wife gives him a pocket watch that's engraved and commemorates his birthday. And Robert gives him a pocket knife that he immediately as told by Styles to give him a coin because there's a superstition

45:43 that whenever you give somebody a blade, you have to give them a coin back so that it doesn't cut the friendship. When you're giving a knife, you give a coin so it doesn't cut the friendship. Yep, do you even move. He will be right back. Welcome back to do you even movie. So after that the rest dismissed themselves. They go to bed. The next morning, we see a model posing a Native American garb as a No is it, Yeah that's his wife. Okay, is his wife? For some reason, I didn't think it was because I thought he called her by a different name. No, that's his wife. Totally sense. That's why they're hugging and canodling. That makes sense. Yeah, so she's dressed up Native American garb as Robert takes pictures of her. Charles's upstairs and for the record, yeah, this sequence because Baldwin's character is like, I want to get my like Native American shot. I want to get my thing where it's like I want that legitimacy on screen. And then it cuts and she's just she's just a cheesecake Indian. She's got like one the line right here, and she's got the head dressed. It is so cheesy. And after like taking two or three rolls up, if he finally just goes this suck, yeah, I hate it, which I thought was like, she doesn't seem to take it as personally as I thought she would yeah, but he's just like this sucks, I hate it. Whatever. But before we get to that, yeah, you were gonna mention our main character. He is,

47:14 he's sitting alone and reading his book. From his book reading about Kodiak Bears, Styles comments on how those are man killers and you can't really do anything with them. And that's when he also makes the comment about how you can make a compass with a needle. Yeah, and he's like, new one on me, learn something every day. Yeah, And Styles unfortunately makes a move next that he is going to bring out some papers to show him about this property and that they're on and that how he wants to have it invested in so they can make a little bit of a resort about it. It seems like he's just talking about how beautiful the area is. But then he's like, wouldn't it be great to share it? Ye? See, for only about one hundred million dollars, it could be completely whatever, and Hopkins is just like, oh, I thought you were being courteous. Yeah, yeah, saying that I thought you were being courteous. No, no, it's and he doesn't even get madd he doesn't yell. He just says like, well, I'm going to go somewhere else because I'm not here for that. And that was one that's the moment that really endeared me to that character, because my heart broke for him. He just wanted a guy to just be talking to him because they're guys, and because Hopkins clearly has an interest in the wilderness and this guy lives it. Yes, but of course this guy and I can't hate on him too hard, Like he wants to make something of this property he owns, he's getting not getting any younger, and now he has this guy sitting here who has billions of dollars. It's like, why wouldn't you? But unfortunately it comes off completely premeditated. He's got sketches and drawings and an investment deck and that's what really freaking kills it.

48:42 And all I could think is I was like, man, you really have just lived in the bush all your life, because like the better way to do would have been to really like communicate about how the property is and then be like, I've always thought about doing something more with it, but you know, I'm just a simple man. And bub you might have been able to get him interested. You might have been able to get him curious if he would have avoided the cash amounts. I think, well, if he hadn't just started immediately saying like, well, you know just needs money. It's you could if you had just like sold harder and harder about like, isn't this great? Wouldn't it? Like shouldn't more people see this? You might have been able to get him play. He was kind of liking him play the defeat, be like, well, I get you know, I guess there's not really much all this. No, that's the worst thing you could do. Oh shucks, I guess I'll just go shove my head down a toilet and dive. I guess I'll just I'll just shove myself down those outhouses upstairs. The outhouses are upstairs. So that kind of gives us that moment where we realized that his wealth makes it hard for him to have friends and enjoy it too. I mean, he he has his money, but it seems like he kind of just gets into his books to escape everything.

49:47 Oh yeah, Hart, I think you're absolutely right. So that's when Robert and and Steven are kind of going at it. Steven's his photographer, and that's what he's saying. You know this sucks. I want to do something. So he goes back inside the cabin, grabs the picture off the wall, and he goes to styles and he says, you know, where can we find this guy? And he goes, well, Jack is eighty miles away. He's probably out bear hunting right now. And Robert wants to go. They want to go fly out and meet him, So it goes inside. The only option is to fly out. You can't walk there or drive there. Yeah, And also their other model got sick too. That was also something else they mentioned. So after a while Charles contemplates and he decides to go with them. So they go into flight and they're flying over some beautiful, beautiful scenery again, and they get into the location and they go up to the cabin and find a note on Jack's door that says that he is hunting out at Big Bass Lake, which is an extra twenty miles out. Is what the pilot says, Yeah, twenty miles as the crow flies. Yeah. So Charles, off to the side is admiring a dead fall pit a trap for bears, as Steven and Robert walk up to him, and he asked him if they want to go further for it, and Charles says, we'll be come this far, why not go farther? And they have reference that while bush plane is the best way to travel, yeah, it isn't always perfectly safe this time of winter. No, you have to be very careful. And we find out that quickly as they're on these on the bush plane and having an interesting conversation where basically at this point Charles Charles right, Charles realized, he's realized that they're can noodling him and his wife and and and so he just kind of jokingly and maybe he was like

51:19 eighty like sixty percent joking, but he just goes a, so, how do you plan to kill me? And Alec Baldwin goes what. And as soon as he goes what, Yes, the plane gets hit by a flock of birds. And most planes that are not giant cannot survive a bird hit. So the windshield shatters, the propellers break, The propeller on the front just starts breaking breaks, and yeah, and there's blood everye they're all screaming. They lose a wing immediately hitting trees, and then they just barely belly land on a lake or a river. They just barely belly land and as the as the as the plane sinks, it's immediately revealed the pilot is dead.

51:59 As a door. Yeah, I mean he is dead, d ed dead, because Robert goes to get him, pulls on aside. You see, he's dead. Meanwhile, off to the side, Stevens struggling with a seatbelt. He can't get it, he's picking. Robert just goes to the surface. He goes out of the plane, goes up to the top. Meanwhile, Hopkins takes his pocket knife from Robert as the gift and cuts Stephen free. And then they break surface like a couple seconds right behind him. Oh yeah, yeah, and they're also separated. I've always loved that where they're on opposite sides of the water. Oh sure, sure, yeah, yeah, no, I like that too. So now we've got three men, three men who have survived, who are now and I love the way they acted this out. They're they're out of the water and they're just so stiff and it like in pain. Yeah, because they are freezing. Yes, So Charles immediately asks for matches of them. Robert shakingly reaches into his jacket, takes out his cigarellos and pulls the matches out. They go to start a fire, but the matches are failing, so Robert decides to use a flair, despite Hopkins being like, you know, we should see Hopkins is like, let's take a minute and make a fire without using the flares yet, but he's like, no, I want to fire right now.

52:57 Yeah, So they get the fire going. It burns through the night. The next morning we find out Robert accidentally let the fire die out, and it's also revealed that you know, they're like, well, you know, somebody will see the note, they'll come, they'll know where we are. And that's when Robert and zips his jacket and pulls out Jack's note so that no one now knows he off the door. So it'd be a dead end. It's a dead end they would get, especially because think about it, you're playing a plane, So what's gonna happen. They're gonna get to the people, look at it, We're gonna get to the cabin, not see them. There there's no tracks. The plane is taking off on the water, so there's not even a direction to try to find. Literally, these guys are lost in probably a thousand miles squares and who knows how anybody's gonna find them. But luckily Anthony Hopkins is just a freaking weirdo and he stays super calm. Yeah, cool, calm collected the entire time. And he decides that they're gonna head south and he needs to figure out how to do so by building a compass. And he builds the compass by taking a paper clip off of something in his pocket. Yep. He rubs it on the silk in his shirt, which magnetizes it and puts it on a leaf.

54:07 They figure out which way north is yep, and they start heading that way, and he wants to go to the top of the peak so that way they can make a fire so that the smoke can see them and they can hopefully get rest well, and they can also see super far to see if there's somewhere else they should where they can go. Yeah, So they take a rest of some fresh water that they find. Robert questions him again, ask him how he planned to kill him and why he would say that, and Charles states, for Mickey his wife. Robert states he has his own girls, and Charles ads, ah, but for the money. Robert comments, the rich are sure different. Yeah. He looks up he's rich. Are different. Yeah, So they continue their trek to the peak, but they're stopped when they hear a bear off in the distance, and they catch sight of one right below them. They freeze before Steven and Robert go taking off, leaving Charles to fall right into the sites of the bear as they both just look at each other before the bear starts charging it. Yes, and it should be mentioned I am no bear expert, shocker, but generally speaking, if a bear is out in the dead of winter, it's because they are starving. Yes, because bears traditionally, much like myself, hibernate through the winter. They eat a lot and then they sleep. Yeah.

55:10 I don't get the second part is good in the winter, but they're really good at the first part. That's fair. So no. But yeah, so this bear is hungry, it's aggressive, it is a kodiak, it's a man eater, and that becomes apparent very quickly, very quickly. So they quickly flee and coming to a waterfall at the edge of the cliff, Hopkins decides that they're going to use this giant tree trunk to push across to make a bridge. Stephen and Robert make it across the bridge, but Charles gets stopped right in the middle as the bear comes to the trunk and starts hitting it, knocks it all over the side, and Charles also falls off the side, hanging onto his satchel, which has the flares in it, so he hangs on the satchel for a few minutes before dropping into the water. He's luckily pulled out of the water by Stephen and Robert, but then they also realize that they've lost the flares now, but the bear also walks off at this point, so they are safe for the time being, except that this is the beginning of when the movie becomes a pulse pounding like freaking movie, because now we're like thirty five forty minutes in and now the bear has been introduced. The weather's getting colder. They need to get out of there. Yeah, they need to either signal for help, but more likely they're gonna have to and he keeps referencing it. They're gonna have to walk out it. Yeah, they're gonna have to walk out of there. No one's probably gonna come for them. He keeps saying, you know, they can have the hopes, but it's not looking good. So Charles states that they lost the flares. As they reach the peak, Robert says that they'll start a fire to get their attention. So the three build this huge fire.

56:27 They keep it burning through the night, but the next morning Charles realizes, you know, we've got to keep moving, so they make their way back down the peak, coming to their original fire remains, meaning that they've completely got ba circle when in a circle and he thinks it may have been his belt buckle messing with the compass, but he can't be sure. Yeah, but that, and that is definitely the beginning of them doubting, especially about Baldwin's character, doubting Charles and thinking maybe you're just gonna get us killed in a different way, yeah than we would if we had just sat here. So Steven starts freaking out, but Charles tells him, you know, we need to stay calm, and he gives him a piece of wood in his nun I think. He says, you know, make a spear so we can have something. We'll try to you know, catch dinner or at least defend ourselves. So he goes off. He's talking to Robert for a little bit and then Steven screams out in pain, and as they rush over to find out that he accidentally has cut his leg pretty deep. Yeah.

57:13 Night, it's pretty bad and unfortunately, probably in my opinion, the weakest part of the movie is that he cut himself making a spear. He was giving him something to do in the hopes that he could try to fish, and instead he cuts his leg deep. So now they have to clean it up. They have to get a fire going. They have to keep him warm, keep him comfortable, and keep convincing him you're going to be okay. So as he takes the bloody paint leg off of him, he hands it to talk Baldwin and says, Barry, and now it's nighttime. Yep. They have a big fire going. He's having this conversation. He's telling him like, you're going to be okay as long as we keep changing the bandage. And they do have plenty of scrap so they can keep changing the bandage. You should be okay. But we gotta walk out of here.

57:53 Yeah. And as he has the conversation alone with Alec Baldwin, they kind of wander away from the fire as rain as pouring. Yep. Baldwin is the one who's like, well, now we really have to get out of here. He's not going to live. And he's like, I know that we have to leave because he will die if we stay. And that's when we have the first colossal screw up of the film. Oh my god, Oh it scares me every time we watch it. Dave go on going. Hopkins is talking to Ball when he looks over and he sees the rags hanging in a tree, blowing right in the wind, and he says, you know, I told you to bury those, and he's like, well, what's the big deal. He goes the smell of blood, right, they're trying to keep the smell of blood out of the air. Ye As Steven, who is resting against rocks, you know, he's he's all fucked up from his leg wound, looks over and hears the bear and sees the breath of the bear, and the bear charges on him in attacks. Yes he does, and it is not okay, No, it's not. Charles tries to ward him off with a with a piece of a piece of wood on fire but traditionally would be refrid twist. Steven is attacked and killed, and Charles and Robert have to flee camp. So The next morning, they're hunkering down on a snowy cliff side as snow is coming down with heavy wind sounds.

59:05 They build a fire as Charles conducts another plan using the stars that they're going to travel by moonlight and hopefully stay out of the bear sits. Robert questions what are they going to eat and Charles comments that he's working on that, and we see him cutting something. Next we see that they build a little trap. A squirrel is coming into it. They pull the rope, the trap goes down the squirrel, and then a helicopter rushes past. Yes, and they lose the squirrel. Yeah, they lose because they're trying to signal the helicopter, which doesn't see them at all. No, it's not. And this is something worth mentioning because we are, you know, we only have so much time to talk about this movie, so we are moving quickly because it's an epic film. Yeah, and if you haven't seen it, you need to. Yes. But one thing that Charles mentions early on is that people who die in the woods don't die from the woods. They don't die from nature, Nope, they die from shame. The idea being that if you make a mistake, you give up. The idea being that if you do something stupid, you give up. The idea being if you're wrong ever, you give up. If you get a bad hand, you give up. Yeah, And I love that mentality. That's something that makes the movie stick out perfect because this is this leads right into the scene where you know that they don't get the helicopter obviously it's flying too fast, they're too far behind it, and Robert just starts losing it. He's like, you know, how can how can you stay this calm? Like what are we gonna do? And Charles tells him that they have to band together on this because at this point they have to believe no one is coming for them.

1:00:23 They are on their end. But Andy says something in this movie that I love so much, which he says, he says, just like you you're you're super you're crazy rich, you have money and all this stuff, and then what all this stuff happens? You flourish, Yeah, And I think that's where he said. She He's like, you flourish, you do amazing, You're better than anybody Else's this he's just basically hating him for doing so well in the situation, and honestly, fair, fair, no, it is. It is crazy how well he's doing in this situation. He does incredible because the next thing he does is he cuts a piece off his watch to make a fishing lore, missing a couple of fish. He turns around and you know, the bear is literally right behind him. Do you even movie? Will be right back, welcome back to do you even movie?

1:01:22 Oh? And that is an incredible scare. He slowly gets up, starts to back up, but the bear's not fucking around at this point. The bear charges him, so he finds cover in a bundle of rust before he rejoins Robert in the forest, telling him the bear has been stalking them this entire time, waiting for them, And they begin to throw all the torches around them, just making a circle in this huge forest so that they can ward the bear off. But he decides that they have no option. They're going to have to kill this ban. Yeah. Well, and because there's an old tradition, and I know that this is not actually true, but there's an old tradition that if a bear eats a man, that bear forever is a man eater. Yeah, which in a way is a short sighted way to like excuse killing animals, and I agree that, but on the other side of things, you have to look at as like, well, the bear's broken that taboo. The bear is like, oh, I'm gonna eat I ate a person and it fed me, so screw it now humans unless try about polar bears. And we're not talking about polar bears.

1:02:16 Don't get me started about polar bear the scary, but let's try about polar bears. Bears mostly see us as a last ditch food source, but more so as a threat to kill. Like that's why the scariest thing in the world is a baby bear, because that means mama bear is gonna think you're gonna hurt. But so now they survive the night in this epic ring of fire, and they have to come up with another plan. And that's the thing Charles is great about, is he's always thinking of what the other plan is and he never shuts up. But that's important because the men, if you're not communicating, then you're not two heads better than one. So I feel like that's why he's constantly saying things and constantly saying things is he wants to keep out like Baldwin's character engrossed in the moment so that he's not busy going at him Brady dying dying of shame, because if he marches silently next to him, he's gonna die of shame. He's gonna sit there and just think the whole time, we're lost, we're dead. We're gonna die like we missed the helicopter, we went the wrong way, we did this.

1:03:19 He'll be too busy dying of shame to go like, wait, you're right, how do you do this thing? How do we do this whatever? How do we get out of here? And I think it's also important to point out at this point in the movie that Hopkins is never the leader in the sense of somebody that takes charge because because he wants you, it's because nobody else is and he has the knowledge yeah no, And and because he's confident. He's confident and methodical, which honestly, I could see a billionaire being that way absolutely, because I mean, like I stress out over investments of thousands of dollars, what do you do when it's million million dollars? What do you do when when it's tens of thousands of jobs? I guess you have to be pretty stoic. Yeah, and that well, that absolutely leads into our next scene. As Charles and Robert gather would as supplies for their assault on the bear. Charles tells him they're gonna lure the bear into their circle and they're gonna kill it with the spear, and Robert questions how are they gonna lure it in? And Charles slices his thumb and he says, with blood. But Robert doesn't believe that they can kill the bear, and that's when Charles tells him that he can die if he wants to, but he's not going to die. He's going to kill this bear. And he says something very important, which is that he read how to kill this bear. He read in a book two men killed a Kodiak bear together.

1:04:30 Yeah, And what one man can do another pn do, Yes, Yes, and that's that's a life lesson. Yeah, that's a life lesson. If one man can do something, it is possible for you to do it too. Yeah. Now it may be damn near impossible. Damn it may kill you, but it's you could. You could, You absolutely could. And they're living in the world of hope. Yes, because he drives this into Baldwin's character because he's like, I want you to repeat this. Say it, say it louder. Say it. Let's say it again, say it louder. So they say, you know what one man can do, another can do, ending with Charles saying right into the camera, he's looking out into the Here's he's looking out into wilderness, and he goes, today, I'm gonna kill the motherfucker. One of the greatest moments of the whole film. Yes, Sir Anthony Hopkins, I'm gonna kill the motherfucker. It's so good. It's so good. And it's also he for as much as we say he's stoic, he's very playful. Yeah, Like there are moments where he sat where he where Alec bald wom will insult him and he just goes, yeah, that's probably true. And bald there's one part where he says like, uh, I can't remember if it was later earlier, but there's one part where he says like, well, it's not exactly like Stort and Coke off of Supermodels Hip Bones, is it? And he goes how so? And Baldwood just sits there saying since and then just burst out laugh.

1:05:40 He laughs it's not through to him. Yeah. So the next morning, the bear eventually comes into the areas that you were holding spears on it. Once in place, Charles has Robert releasing the trap, which was he as a combo of limbs and sharp pieces bound together tree limbs not limbs. Wrong turn, God, So they cut it loose. It swings down and goes past the bear misses. It swings into some trees, breaks some of the things loose, and swings back and hits the bear right in the side, but unfortunately it fails. The bear is still pissed off. Yeah, they've succeeded in injuring the bear. Yeah, which also makes it angrier and more desperate. Yeah. So, but luckily this isn't the only plant. No, it is not. So on the swing back, it hits the bear, but the bear quickly removes it. So they run over the side of the hill, leaping over and falling into the stream, with the bear right in pursuit after them. He charges at them and they try to fight it off, but after many swipes, the bear stands up on its hines, knocking Charles into the water. Robert then tries to ambush, stabbing it in the side, but he quickly gets knocked down and is briefly attacked by it before Charles decides to get the bear's attention. He has it run over to these rocks. He has it come right up on him. He places the spear right in the rocks, and as the bear comes down to attack him, the spear and pales the bear, killing it. He saw from how it attacked Baldwin that it just goes right on top of hi yah.

1:06:55 So he was like, well, if I can put a spear between us, but make sure that the spear can fall over, then it'll go right through it, right because the bear's weight, we'll work against it. Yeah. He also had to wave him off because Baldwin, while not mortally wounded, like when when the bear gets off of him, he touches his stomach and goes like, I'm bleeding a lot, a lot. Like he got him. He didn't get him good, but he got him. So now the bear has been in pale Yep. It is died, and now the two men are taking a much deserved buddy yest as my people call it. They have their victory because they're cooking the bear. They're making necklaces from the claws as well as pelts from the skin, and they are just lapping up their victory. Yeah, they've made winter clothes, They've made wraps for their boots, wraps for their necks, wraps for their heads out of this bear.

1:07:43 And all I could think was, you know, after how many days without eating, I bet the bear tasted pretty good. Yeah, the carnivores do not taste good. Like like, if you this is gonna make me sound so weird, like if I know, you've probably never eaten raccoon, right, okay, well, the secret to raccoon. Raccoons are omnivores eat whatever they're fat is disgusting. No, like when you render it, it is revolting. So if you want to successfully, because I'm the style guy, style coach, kids, if you want to eat raccoon, you have to boil off the fat from the meat. I'm not kidding. The fat is disgusting. It's it's not just gross, it is like rancid. And most animals that eat meat, the fat is rancid. So you want animals that eat nuts, berries, things like that. But anyway, so so my point is, but boy, they are they are enjoying big hunks of protein, and I imagine it tastes extra good knowing that you're not being hunted anymore. Yeah, No, absolutely, pro So Charles makes another attempt at the compass the next morning, using his pocket watch arm. This time, the needle points them off in the right direction as they go off arm with their spears covered in their bare pelts, and they're trekking through a very snowy wilderness and they come to an abandoned cabin, and inside the cabin they find maps, they find a rifle, they find booze, and out side the cabin they find a canoe that is able to float on the water. And this is basically when the third act begins. Yes, it is, in my opinion, because the first act is everything leading up to them leaving that big cabin. Yeah, And a lot happens in that first sec second act.

1:09:14 Plane crashes and now that's the first element of survival. Yeah. And then I feel like the third act is after they kill the bear. Yes, And that's another reason this film is great. Yes, because the movie is not about killing the bear. The movie is about survival and the weather, the wind, food, water, shelter. All of those are as deadly as any grizzly bear. Yeah. So while Robert is out gathering firewood, Charles finds the receipt for his watching his knife, but he finds the third item listed on it, which is Robert's watch that he was talking about on the plane, with an engraving that says thanks for all the nights. And that's extra tricky because every time they bring up watches, Yeah, he keeps his it's broken, broke, it's broken, ycause they because Hopkins himself takes apart his broken watch and uses other people's watches. But that watch was always kept a secret. It was because of the engraving. Engraving, and what a lazy lady, I guess. You know, I can't blame her too bad. It's not like she could use you know, friggin' go online, yeah, and frigging order an engraved thing. She had to go to the same place in New York City, and hey, I will give it to her. The total cost on I think was like twenty eight thousand dollars.

1:10:20 So you know, hey, nobody loved you, never loved me enough to get me a watch like that. I got you a tourist trap poster friends, all right, just like that they wonder if we're lovers. Robert returns with the firewood as Charles goes to light a fire, cautiously watching Robert, who's smoking, drinking out a liquor bottle, and loading the rifle. He's definitely taking a minute for herself. Yeah, but yeah, and the loading the rifle would make me nervous too, because there's no inminet threat. But at the same time, they were hunted by a bear yea for days and days, and we don't They never tell us exactly how long. My theory is at least two weeks. Two weeks I think is absolutely on the nose. So he asked him if he can see the watching, and Robert reminds him it's busted. It doesn't work. Charles questions how can he do how can he do the sober? And he questions, you know, what is it exactly you're doing and why are you doing this? No, he says, can't do it sober, basically saying like, I know you're planning to kill me and you're drinking because you can't do this. Yeah, And he's right, how could he do it? Sober? He's learned to like the guy exactly. He's not only learned to like the guy. The guy saved his life multiple times, but at the same time, Hose before Bros Before Bros. So he tells him he doesn't deserve Mickey, stating she's only with him for the money. Charles gets the watch roo him, confirming the inscription on it, and Robert stands with the rifle, telling him let's go outside, So Charles walks ahead of Robert, who keeps the rifle ready on him the whole walk, as Charles questions when did the nights occur? Robert questions why is it so important to him, and Charles tells him because he loves her. So Robert tells him to turn his back, and Charles says

1:11:51 that he's not gonna do it. Charles refuses to turn around, trying to speak up to Robert and warn him because as Robert steps back to fire the gun, he finds out the hard way that there's a dead fall pit right behind him that he falls in, which makes sense because at this time of the like obviously the person nobody's been there in a year or two, but that was definitely a cabin mostly used for hunting bear, so putting a dead fall out is smart. Because sometimes the best way to attract a bear is just by being there, by cooking food, by eating. And I want to mention something real quick before we get into the dead Fall, because, like I said, so much movie to cover, and we have to move at lightning speed sometimes. Yes, and Dave's done an incredible job of breaking down a very complex movie. But there's a moment right before they get to the cabin I wanted to remind you about where they're talking about life's changing, and Hopkins' character says like, I've never known a man. I love the line. He's like, I've never known anyone that actually changed their life.

1:12:42 And he's like, but I I'm going to change my life, and Baldwin kind of slaps the back and goes like you'll be the first. And it's a sweet moment, but also it makes sense because Hopkins is basically like my imagination is that when he's out of this he's gonna be like, I'm gonna do just things for me. I'm not gonna do my business anymore. I'm just I'm not gonna deal with my wife anymore. I'm just gonna do what interests me. And I think to get emotional, I think he I think one of the things he realized is maybe he should focus on making a friend, because there is a reference coming up where he basically says, like, what you know, because I'm your buddy, you have a buddy. Finally, I think Hopkins never had a buddy. I think that. I think that as he became more successful, it isolated him more, which it does often do. Success not only brings you people who want to take from you, but it brings you people who are jealous. It brings you people who are who want to see you fail. And I can say, look, I'm in the world of filmmaking, in the world of podcasting, I am sealist at best. But you didn't have to agree with that so fast.

1:13:50 But no, I'm seedless at best, and I'd have haters. I have people who would relish the idea of me failing. I had I had somebody once basically say like, I hope your movie like flops, like was posting negative reviews and stuff, and it's literally like, homie, what about me and my two rescue dogs? Do we not deserve to eat? Exactly? It's hateful yeah, and so yeah, so like, uh, success can bring a lot of negative things even a little bit of success. Yeah. When I think with Hopkins's character being the billionaire, I think he's just so used to no one being genuine with him, even his own wife. Yeahah, So I think the fact that he's had these experiences with Robert and everything, it kind of makes him realize. He's like, man, I could have this with somebody else that's not of this caliber in that sense, well caliber held the guy well, and here's something else food for thought. I feel like Hopkins when he has that realization that they're the early realization, like that they seem to be canodling and everything. Yeah. I think that maybe because he has this kind of like bitter sweet moment, you know when his wife is like, I never would forget your birthday and he looks at the watch and everything, where I think he realized this is as good as it's gonna get. Yeah, Like, the best I'm going to have if I keep going the way I'm going is a wife who cheats on me but does remember my birthday. Like that is going to be the best I've got, and I'll be surrounded by yes men as old. That's kind of heartbreak.

1:15:15 No, it's absolutely heartbreaking, And I think what leads into his next couple scenes with him talking to Robert, which we'll get to in a second, is he sees the humanity in what he's had to do to survive. And this survival instinct that he's gotten has not come easy, of course, but also it's made him realize that his life, in a sense, was him kind of just an autopilot. Yeah, he was just kind of doing what he needed to do. And that's that's a really good point you bring up. And I think the other thing he realized is the things that interested him the most, which was not money and women and this, and that is what saved him. His passions are what got him through this. His analytical mind is what got him through this. Do You Even? Movie will be right back, Welcome back to Do You Even? Movie. That's where we get the big moment, because Alec Baldwin now to get back to where we were at. Baldwin has fallen in the Dead's hit. He's lucked out in that it only went through his thoughts, which granted, is just better than it going through your freaking lungs. It's still really bad. But Baldwin had no desire to be a different person. At the end of the six that's and that's the difference. Baldwin was not willing to let go of that plan

1:16:49 because at the end of it he's like, well, after all that, I may as well get what I wanted anyway, while Charles Anthony Hopkins character is like, well I forgive this guy. Yeah, like because we've been through all this stuff together. So he's like, I'm massively changed by all this. But since Baldwin isn't he ends up in the pit. Yeah. So he's in the pit. He tells me he thinks he's broke his legs. So Charles climbs into the pit, taking the rifle off of him and aiming it down at Robert, and Robert pleads, you know, Charles, don't, and Charles immediately starts unloading the rifle. There's something so human about Baldwin's appearance of fearing death. Yeah, that I think is really like, is really endearing. He really does look like he is so afraid of dying.

1:17:33 Yeah, and why wouldn't you be? Absolutely so, we see Charles kerry Robert back to the cabin. He lays him on the table starts examining his wound. Robert beginning to go delirious from his blood loss, shortly passes out and Charles reads him a little medical book. Off to the side. It turns tonight sometime later, and Charles wakes up Robert telling him they're gonna get him out of here as soon as he can, and we see Charles now rowing them down the stream in a canoe with Robert in it. After some time rowing, Charles takes him to shore. He builds a fire to keep them warm. And one thing we may have skimmed over, because we are skimming, we have to, my goodness, such an epic movie. Is the big reason that this cabin was a wonderful realization was there was a little bit of food, a little bit of shelter, but there was a canoe that floated, yes, And that was when it became clear that Baldwin was getting reay to get rid of him, because now it's like, I don't need you. If I have a canoe, I can because rivers go to people, even if it takes a really long time. Yeah, rivers go to people. So that was the moment that Baldwin could get away with not having him anymore. So now yeah, so's he's pulled over yeah, and he's warming Baldwin up because he blood loss is making him very cold.

1:18:32 Yeah, and Baldwin's looking worse for where as the moments go, so he questions to Charles, why would he save him? In Charles states he doesn't think that he would have killed him, and Robert says, no, I totally would have. But he says, you know, what, what are you gonna do when you get back? Why would you save me? That's the saddest moment and Charles, but also kind of beautiful is that Baldwin's character just goes like, I absolutely absolutely, because he tries to give them the penedefit the do and go like, I know you wouldn't have done it, and he's like, yes, yes, I would have. Yeah. So Charles states that he may not go back after this point, and Robert takes Charles's hand, telling him that he's sorry for what he did, stating that Mickey never was in on the idea for him to be murdered. Yeah. He wants to make it very clear, your wife didn't know that I wanted to come back without you. Yeah, she had no idea. She would have never been okay with it, Yeah, which is a little comfort.

1:19:15 No, I would call it a small comfort. Small comfort. Yeah, but Charles tells him not to die on him as Robert tells him, don't tell him what to do. Suddenly, Charlie's such a mammock, lime and such a great one. Yeah, he just with tears in his eyes because Baldwin just says, don't tell me what to do. So it's a beautiful moment as that happens. Suddenly, Charles, here's a helicopter rushing past the rocks. He goes up the rocks, cutting brush off to try and send a smoke off to the helicopter. At first, you don't think anything's happening, and then suddenly the helicopter turns noticing the smoke. Charles turns back to Robert, who is now face down on the rocks. He checks his pulse and finds out that Robert has passed at this point, covering him with his coat as the helicopter lands right behind him. And it's amazing how much you care. This movie is a big exploration of humanity. Yeah, this guy's a dick. This guy let you save his life all the time for two weeks, yeah, and then was ready to kill you to go bang your wife, yes, but it's still a tragedy. He died. Charles is brought back to the cabin on the helicopter. There's an entourage of police, natives and reporters that meet him. Charles joins Mickey on the steps, but before that, he sees Styles and he asks him again, you know, why why is the rabbit afraid? Or why is the rabbit not afraid?

1:20:24 And he says the line about because he's smarter than the panther. And so he joins Mickey on the steps and they share a hug and you know she's embracing him. But then in her hand he places Robert's watch, signifying that he knows about the affair. But that's where it gets complicated too, mm hmm. In my opinion, Charles, when he looks at her, he actually feels bad for her, Yeah, because she lost her lover, Yes, And I think I think that's important. I think also he forgives her at that point, but she she immediately knows that they're done once he hands it watch him. Yeah, And I think that that is probably the best symbolic symbolism of the movie. Is ball one was the panther and Hopkins was the rabbit. The rabbit can sit and enjoy us a smoke because he knows he's smarter than the panther. He can be ahead of the panther. And what an ending to a film, So finish off the last one. Reporters start to asking questions, they start bombarding him, and you know, Charles stops and he starts giving a little bit of a speech. But then one of the reporters states, you know what happened to what happened to to to your friends? You know, how did they die? And he goes, they died saving my life. And it's an incredibly heartfelt way because he gets tears in his eyes and then the movie just just done. It fades out and we immediately go to credits, and that is The Edge. The Edge one of the best wintry thrillers. And we are digging for the digging them up right now for you guys, and it is one of the best wintry thrillers ever. I love the film and I want to say something, sincerely, David, way to go getting that down, especially since I decided to

1:21:58 go on a tirade about know for about twenty minutes. Show really got your good You know you did a great job, Dave. Let's give it up for Dave. I appreciate that. Sorry for force a habit that works. Their applaud doing goo. Yes. But so as we wrap up, would you like to know some fun things about the film. I would love to hear some trivia about the film The Edge. So would you like to know what the original title of this was? It was shot under and almost went to the theater under it until like the last five weeks before they released it. Wasn't it called Ernest kills a bear? Bookworm? Oh, I've heard that bookworm bookworm? I could. It's dumb. It's terrible. I hate it. It is terrible. So the budget for this movie was thirty million.

1:22:40 What do you guess the box office was? Uh, I'm going to guess this wasn't a huge hit unfortunately, so, but I imagine it was somewhat successful. Forty five you're close forty three point three million box office? Okay, thirty million dollars, but hey, it did alright. It was released September twenty sixth and nineteen ninety seven. It premiered at spot number four in the box office. Now, this was the top ten box office of the time it premiered G I. Jane and number ten, one thousand Acres, number nine, the Full Monte, number eight, Wish Master number seven, La Confidential in Spot six spex McGee x McGee. Number five was the Game. I love the Game. I love the game so much. Underneath that was the Edge. Number three was Soul Food. Number two In and Out, and then number one was the Peacemaker, the Bruce or the George Clooney action picture. I don't remember In and Out at all. It was I think Kevin Klein comedy. I haven't seen it in a long time.

1:23:35 Well it's gone. It's dead to us. So Hopkins actually had a brush with death during production. The scene where he falls into the river. He was taking painkillers for his neck because he had a disc it slipped before filming. He fell into the river, didn't feel how cold he was becoming until he began to suffer hypothermia and had to be rushed off to the hospital. Yeah, and this film actually inspired a highly successful show the same name in Brazil, where part participants were selected from normal people such as executives, graduates, and clerks left in the wild and deserted area Brazilian landscape and had to survive using techniques similar to the ones using the film. And I want to know if they just released a bear on them. I mean, I'm guessing there was no bear, but so its like Survivor. Yeah, yeah, yes, Bart the bear only has four minutes and thirty seconds of screen time in the film. I believe that that's the Jaws method. And then to wrap us up, let's hear about who almost was in the edge. So Daniel Stern and Danny Divina. So for Charles Morris's character, Hopkins, de Niro and Hoffman were considered for the roles. Michael Caine actually turned the role down, so you had Robers Demiro, Ustin Hoffman and Michael Caine were almost those characters. Hoffman I could see, I could see Hoffmann. I cannot see it all. I could see Hoffman playing it really interestingly. Yeah, yeah, DeNiro, I don't see it all. Just thinking up, we're going to the edge, so how do you make fire from WAA? And then Charles or then Robert Ford. The Alec Baldwin roll was almost Leota ray

1:25:12 Liota. I could see him in that easily. Richard gear Travolta, I could see that the only one that turned it down Harrison Ford. That was Yeah, that's Ford's too. I don't think. I don't think Ford has the darkness. No, Baldwin can go either way. Yeah, you know, and I used to think he always had like a villainous to him until I finally saw him be Jack Ryan. Yes, and he did a really good job as Jack Bryan Ryan. So I think that, Uh, I think Ford would have been a miscast anyway. I think Michael Caine and Harrison Ford it's an interesting combo, but I just don't think it has the same Ford. Ford would have been better as the Hopkins character. Yeah, actually he would have. He would have been a lot better than Hopkins character, although he was a bit young. Yeah. And of course, you know, we could also talk about what we talked about off camera. You know, do we just swap planes trains in the plays trains automobile with the Edge?

1:26:00 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, here's an idea when you when you want to talk about making fire from ice have a point. So anyway, so final thoughts on the Edge, Kay's it's a pulse pounding thriller. And I hate using that term, but it's up there. For me. It's a wintry must watch. Yeah, along with my recommendations that are similar, I would love I love watching The Revenant, I love watching The Gray something like that. If you wanted to double feature, and I know you have some thoughts on that, Tyes, I do so. Final thoughts for me on the movie. The Edge is a true testament of cinema. With two very strong leads in it, plus an incredibly trained bear actor as well, this delivers NonStop thrills, edge of your seat tension, and a pretty perfect ending for such an intense movie. Because it could have gone either, it's a perfect ending. I would agree absolutely. I can't imagine changing it. No.

1:26:49 I mean the setting mixed with the fight for survival. You get a feel for the atmosphere right away, and it adds more tension once you see our leads start to combat it as well. And the way Baldwin dies at the end gives his character the only resolution he can get that makes him makes you feel okay about him is that in dying he can finally understand what he was living wrong. Yeah, you know how he was living wrong. And as a call back to snow DAYA from last week, this is also a shot in Alberta, Canada. Hey, they're like the same films. So final thought, this is a bias, and that's a bias is you're if you're a movie fan, this is a biath. Yeah, one hundred percent my recommendation on this, I'm gonna go with a Live from nineteen ninety three, based on the true story. After a crash landing in snowswept, Andy's a Urganian rugby team has no choice but to turn desperate measures in order to survive. You're aguarian what I say? I probably said that who knows, but no Alive from nineteen ninety three. It's one you're gonna have to probably get a physical copy of. I don't know if it's streaming. And its cannibalism is not the only purpose of the film. Yeah, cannibalism is a major element, major element, so you need to be ready for that.

1:27:56 But the other one I would go with if you want another survival tale into the why with the meal hirsh I can't remember the year. I want to say, it's like two thousand and five. I want to say, I don't think it was that long ago. I thought there was much recent, more recent than that. Man, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it was, or maybe I'm thinking of a different one, but I think I two thousand and seven, Oh yeah, yeah, don't. I must have just seen it late. Directed by Sean Pinn, Meil Hirsh, Vince Vaughan, Catherine Keener. It's the story of a top student who decided that he wanted to do abandon all his possessions and he hikes into Alaska to live in the wilderness. Spoiler alert, he unfortunately poisoned himself with some berries. And that's based on a true story. So and that's a good recommendation too if you want a really really starkly sad it's starkly sad follow up on that.

1:28:39 But yeah, the Edge it's an absolute like I think it's a it's a damn near masterpiece. But it's a rare masterpiece in that I think it works as a thriller action movie but also as you know, like a really high end, brilliant movie about humanity. You can tell a playwright wrote it. You can tell that somebody who has experienced with working with that kind of dialogue on stage where they have to deliver, not you know, just in front of a camera. But with their emotions, with their words, and everything comes really across in this movie. Okay, that's a weird way to say it, but I like it anyway. Yeah, I like mamm It and I think his dialogue is top notch. No, his dialogue is top notch. But I think that what the film has to say about us people is really what makes the film have a staying power that goes well beyond it being you know, some home video thriller from the nineties. Yeah, no, so that is The Edge nineteen ninety seven. Check it out if you haven't. It is available streaming right now, so you can't find it pretty easily, and also the blue rays pretty cheap to pick up. So yes, sir, Before we get out of here, I just want to say a big thank you. People have been checking out the show. They've been watching our shorts on YouTube and then finding their way a lot of strangely a lot of interest in Dead of Winter because they just never heard of it.

1:29:54 Yeah, so people were commenting and saying, what's that movie? What's that hellyea, So hopefully they're checking it out and giving it a watch. I can't wait to go to sleep. I've had a long week and I'm going away for a week. Yeah, so you are well for five days whatever? Who's counting just me? But no, I want to say thanks to everybody who has checked us out, whether it's on YouTube or it's on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Thank you guys. Make sure to leave us a star rating if you're listening to the podcast, if you're watching us on YouTube, leave us the thumbs up. Maybe leave a comment. Tell us what film you believe Alec Baldwin was most supple in. I would appreciate that. We'll even give you a ou guys, it's a hot take. I almost didn't have that ready, but no, so make sure to check that out.

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