June 24, 2025

Surviving the Game (1994) – Ice-T vs Human Hunters in a 90s Action Classic

Surviving the Game (1994) – Ice-T vs Human Hunters in a 90s Action Classic

🎯 “ALWAYS check the barrel!” We’ve reached the epic finale of Listener Request Month, and we’re going out with a high-octane 90s cult classic! This week, Henrique & David head into the remote mountains of Washington for a thrilling game of life...

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🎯 “ALWAYS check the barrel!”

We’ve reached the epic finale of Listener Request Month, and we’re going out with a high-octane 90s cult classic! This week, Henrique & David head into the remote mountains of Washington for a thrilling game of life and death in 1994’s Surviving the Game!

A homeless man turned survival guide is recruited by wealthy businessmen—only to discover that he’s the prey in their twisted hunt for humans. It’s a gritty, gripping take on The Most Dangerous Game that our hosts have loved since it ruled 90s cable TV.

Directed by Ernest Dickerson and starring Rutger Hauer, Ice-T, Gary Busey, Charles S. Dutton, and more.

🎧 This episode dives into:

  • Is this the best “Most Dangerous Game” adaptation ever made?
  • The strange but effective chemistry between the cast
  • Gary Busey’s unforgettable Prince Henry Stout monologue
  • Behind-the-scenes injury that didn’t stop the show
  • Did Dutton and Hauer’s characters have more going on?

🔥 PLUS:
  • When is it time to quit vs push through burnout?
  • Who quietly saved “Walker, Texas Ranger”?
  • Movie sets gone wrong: explosions, accidents & chaos
  • Is indie horror gem “Bring Her Back” better than Talk to Me?
  • And what infamous horror sequel kicks off Beach Month in July?

📺 Stream “Surviving the Game” on Amazon Prime: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B000YJ2WU8/

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There's a toast to the hunters and a prayer for

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the hunter.

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It was their game, their thrill, their wounds. I might

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not be rare. Now he's gonna show them how to

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play it, surviving the game in a world where podcasts

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reign supreme. Two Friends Dare to Ask, Do You Even? Movie,

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hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David Denyer.

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Spoiler alert, So, David, so, Hen, what's the hardest game

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You've ever survived?

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The hardest game I've ever survived? Oh that's a good one.

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Oh man. Honestly, if I actually had to answer that question,

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it would probably be. There was one time when I

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was in soccer when I was a young kid, and

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it was literally sleeping and this is this is like

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a minor league game, like this is just kids being kids.

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Uh soccer, Okay, so kids being kids. It's sleeping out.

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They're not canceling the game. And it was my turn

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to be goalie. My hands went numb from the gloves

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because the gloves were so damp and everything from everybody

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playing and picking up a ball and whatnot. My hands

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went numb while I was playing goalie. And I did

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not think I was going to survive that game. The

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ball gets wet, Yeah, when it's on the field from

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the snow. You mean, yeah, okay, I got you out. Yeah, well,

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think about the grounds completely covered at this point, balls

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getting covered and everybody is just miserable, you know, kicking

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it as best they can and whatnot, and you're trying

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to pick it up with your numb hands, and yeah,

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it just was not working out.

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They had a competitive school game.

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This was like this is like rec league like that.

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That means like the rec like the the recreation like

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for kids, like the little after school programs. Oh okay,

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so it's for fun. Yeah, I mean it was. It

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was like a season, but yeah it was. It was

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just there wasn't like any tournaments or anything. It was

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just like, you played this team this week, you played

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this team this way.

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Well, I was just it would just be weird if

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it was competitive. By like Jesus, They're like, sorry, it's snowing,

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doesn't matter, get out there and win.

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Whereas I remember one time, literally there was a tornado watch,

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maybe a warning, I can't remember. It wasn't a warning,

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but it was at least a watch, and it was

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a train of watch and they canceled the games like

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we'd already gotten to the field, We're getting ready to

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throw the ball down, and they're like, oh up, Tornado

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watches all around. Is game's canceled.

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Well, it's gonna start raining eventually. Yeah, ran all the

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time any for.

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Long for me?

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Uh see Mind's act saying Russian Roulette yep.

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I mean that's a tough one to survive, especially with

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the loaded, you know, entire all chambers loaded.

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I think that's just called suicide the English language, it's

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a living language, David, Yeah, it's a living language.

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Now. If you want to talk about video games, the

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hardest game I had to survive would be one that

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I still have not beat to this day, which is

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the suffering The Ties That Bind? Are you failed with

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the suffering? Mm hmm. So did you ever play the sequel,

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The Ties that Bind? I didn't play either. So the suffering, Yeah,

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the suffering is you're an inmate that Goods sent to

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a prison. You're trying to figure out who framed you

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and got you sent there. All the while there's like

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an evil unleash in the prison. First game is awesome

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love The first game. Second game basically a little bit

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more of the same story. But what they did with

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the final boss round of the game is you face

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every single fucking boss, You face the entire game in

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one go, and you have to stay alive. And that

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was awful for me. It was it was brain scan,

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brain scan. I mean that's fair too.

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So it was a fun game, though, I mean incredible graphic.

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Incredible graphic.

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And I got to be Edward Furlong.

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It's my favorite line he delivers in that movie. He

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just comes to the room.

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Watching pornography and getting an erection and using it to

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ripe someone. Oh god, yeah, that's principle, sir. I'm pretty

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sure erections don't rape people. People rape people.

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Is that movie called uh? I know, I know, it's

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like number four is the is the number at the

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end of it, But I can't remember what the movie

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is called that he was showing to the Horror Club.

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It's it's some ridiculous title.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was made up, because weren't

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they actually just showing like h Lewis something like that.

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Yeah. I think it was like color me blood red.

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Or one of those yeah, or blood feast or whatever.

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I think it was colored blood red.

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Yeah, but now I was never I never played a

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lot of games because you know, you need friends for that.

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Yeah, so as a kid, not not so much imagining

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Millhouse running back and forth with the frisbee.

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Oh yeah, yeah, that was pretty to my childhood.

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You know.

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Hey, well we're coming off of Father's Day.

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Why not? Why not?

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Yeah, let's talk about playing today. Oh man, Father's Day blue.

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I mean, like Father's Day normally is not my favorite day,

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but that was not a good father Day.

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No, no, no, no, I.

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Don't even want to go into it, like in detail.

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I mean, it's a lot, but it's just.

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We we we we.

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Were killing ourselves pulling together a production, and we pulled

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it together obscenely fast, and then five minutes till start time,

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we're all almost all of us are there, unpacked and

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starting to set up. I was literally putting the camera

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on the tripod, and then we found out we had

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to cancel the whole day.

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Sucks, man, I'm sorry.

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It is what it is. I mean, I tried to

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make the best of it. You know, Rachel and I

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just looked at us like, well, I guess we'll hang

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out have fun because we were, like, we had been

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working so long, so hard to get ready, and now.

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It was just nothing. Not going to say the reason

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all on the air, but I mean it's a pretty big,

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big reason to cancel. I mean there was completely out

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of your control. Nothing, nothing could have stopped that.

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As a man of nearly forty who has done many

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many low budget films and projects and and and pushed

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my way through many challenges, I am old enough now

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that when that happened, I told everybody like, we're canceled, yeah,

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and why? And then Rachel was like what if we

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and and she she had suggested something to try to

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solve it, yeah, And I literally was like, it would

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make this would be the most miserable day if we

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tried to turn it around. I am old enough to

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just know when I'm licked.

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When to quit.

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Yeah, yeah, when it's you're better off just cutting the losses.

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I still give you a lot of props for because

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I mean we had even tried to push through when

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this happened. But I remember when we were on Calamity

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James Revenge and or no no it was just James, sorry,

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just gyms unchained. Oh we were shooting during that windstorm. Yeah,

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And I remember I remember me and I can't remember

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who else, but we were holding that door shut because

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the wind was blue and Whiting, yeah, me and Whiting,

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and it was just like I remember, like I think

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an hour passed after that, and you were just like,

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we we've got to call this.

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Well, we we had stuff to film in there. Yeah,

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So we filmed all of that, and every time we

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had it we took a small break. I would open

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the door and look at the sky and it wasn't

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getting any better. Yeah, And after about an hour, about

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an hour of it not improving and we were waiting, Yeah,

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I was like, we gotta call it because this is

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like really bad weather.

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Well.

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I think you also had read the report that somebody

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had actually died. Yeah, somebody got killed in that. Also,

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I had had that tree completely uprooted in my in

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my front yard that it almost landed on my excess

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car at the time. Wouldn't that have been nice? No comment, No,

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but uh no.

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There are times when you have to have to do

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it and there are times when you don't. Yeah, Like

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I guess what I'm trying to say is like you

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got to know when to ho no, when to fold them, uh, and.

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When to walk away.

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Ah, kind of yeah, no, when to jog No, when

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to jog No? When to open a chicken restaurant?

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There you go. Yeah, but he tried. It was successful

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for a bit.

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It's still successful in Asia. Oh oh yeah, that's right.

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I forgot about that.

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Yeah, the Kenny Rogers chicken.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, it's it's a it's tough when you have

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to kind of admit your licked. Yeah, but there's a

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freedom to it too. Like if we had if we

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had tried to save the shoot, it would have required

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us losing about two hours three hours of the shoot

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time in order to rejigger everything. Yeah, and we already

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barely had enough time, so we would have been we

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would have been stressed to the hilt all day, possibly

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getting much worse material because of it. And I just

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there was that moment where I was like, you know,

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I don't think that's where.

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Oh, And I mean, there's only so much you can

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plan for because like even another shoot story that came

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to mind is when we were on what was going

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to be the longest shooting weekend for Haunt House on

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Serre Row, and we had planned to shoot I think

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until two am that day, and something had happened with

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an effect. There was a shot that went wrong. I

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can't remember what it was, and we were still thinking

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about pushing forward, and then at the last second, just like,

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if we do this, we're just gonna wear ourselves out.

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It's gonna make the craft even a little bit probably

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questionable at that point too.

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Well, the effect didn't turn out well, yeah it didn't.

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And our makeup artist, who was very, very good, Yeah,

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he was unhappy with it. I was unhappy with it.

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So the thought was I think it was like I

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just asked everybody, like, do you guys care if we

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go an hour later tomorrow but we all go home

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and see right now?

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Yeah, And it was unanimous yes.

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And then I think we came back to set two

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hours early to try and do the makeup again. I mean,

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when you're making a feature length movie and your time,

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your principal schedule is four days, yeah, maybe maybe a

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fifth day as pickups, you really can't afford to lose much. No,

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I mean you can't really afford to. You know, if

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somebody is two hours late, it's gonna be a very

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hard day.

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Yeah, if you.

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Run over time.

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You need it.

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Needs to it needs to have a purpose. Yeah, because

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if you just every time you film you run long

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and everyone's always exhausted and they expect that from you,

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you lose a lot of good will and rightfully so well.

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And I think also it had a lot to do

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with the fact that we were shooting down on a

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cellar and there was was have the shelves toppled over yet?

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Was it? Okay, I haven't done that yet. No, that

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was that was a year or so late, so later Okay, Yeah,

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I couldn't remember if it was that movie or the

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next one.

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a year and a half later. Yeah, maybe maybe not

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quite a year and a half, but that was a

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while later. And but yeah, you don't want to do

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that to people. That's what one of my big rules is.

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I'll ask people like, do you guys care if we

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go late? Usually it's because when that late day ends,

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the whole film is over. Yeah, so everybody knows, like,

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this is it, this is the last of it?

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One thing I learned early on working with a friend

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who he was a very talented filmmaker, but he wasn't

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very good with people, is he would he would say

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things that I would hear and I'd be like, wow,

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I'm never saying that on my set, yeah, because it's

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like killed morale. And one of them was like, I

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have this rule on movies if you can help it,

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you want to front load your first day, whether it's

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the first day of five days, or it's the first

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day of two days of a weekend and then you're

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gonna come back in another weekend or whatever it is.

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Whatever it is, you want a front load because no

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matter how much work you do in one day with

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a group of people working ten, twelve hours, whatever it is,

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no matter how much work you do, people are tired

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at the end of the day. Like if you sat

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at home all day watching Blu rays and eating pizza,

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come midnight, you're tired, even though you were like a

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sack shit all day you just did nothing. So one

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time I remember him saying, because it was at the

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end of a long day, he was like, you know, everybody,

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just you know, you know, pump it up and like

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we'll get back to sleep because tomorrow is the hard day.

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And I was like, man, that killed my sense of

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excitement because I'm already tired. So I always tried to

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Number One never ever say anything like that. Yeah, and

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number two, always try to front load that way, even

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if it's grueling and it's late. You could be like, remember, guys,

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tomorrow we do two thirds as much stuff as today.

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Yeah, like tomorrow is easy. Or one thing I've always

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loved about you is you've always made a tough day

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also around a really good meal, whether it's something that

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your mom has made or whether it's try to do

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you always try to like front load a hard day

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but then also have a really good meal as like

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the halfway point, if not like the or almost there.

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And I think with a few extenuating circumstances, I think

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that you know there should be if there are going

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to be two meals in a day, one of them

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should be hot.

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Yeah. I think that's just nobody. I mean, who doesn't

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like a sexy meal.

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Really hot and sexy. Nothing like a hot meal on

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an eighty five degree day.

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And I think my favorite was still when we had

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gotten pizza from a place. I think it was where

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was the where was the house that we shot out

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a lot? It was wayns Wayne till thank you. I

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wanted to say West Milton, but I knew that wasn't right. No,

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we had gotten that Waynsville pizza place and we didn't

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realize that they put the pepperoni underneath the cheese. So

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when we got our pizzas, it just looked like two

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cheese pizzas.

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Yeah, and one was for the vegetarians. So luckily, if

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I had to guess in that situation, Eric Whiting was

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our Christopher Columbus who explored.

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The mic both of us, Yeah, because I think we

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both were just like that pizza looks a little lumpy,

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like it looks like pepperoni might be.

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Under I remember pizza being good.

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Though, pizza was great.

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Yeah, that place was not near anything convenient. No, so

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it was like a forty minute round trip to get

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that damn pizza.

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Yeah.

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So but yeah, anyway, I didn't even realize I was

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gonna it was gonna lead. I was gonna lead into

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something actually had something to say about. I just wanted

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to get you going. It worked, but but no, so

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I ended up going with Rachel to the We went

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to Hunan house and had an HS Chinese buffet to

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drown away our tears. Then we went to the cigar

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lounge and I got this ridiculous LFD cigar. LFD cigars

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are known for being very strong, so strong that a

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lot of people leave. That's why people call them LFD

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because it stands for laflor dominicana, which sounds beautiful. Yeah,

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but they're known for being like all the hero all

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like really powerful. So I feel like people that's why

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people never call it that. They always call them LFD

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because it sounds more intense, more military almost. That's where

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you've seen the boxes say double le hero those are

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LED's and uh and they're almost always tiny because they're

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very strong.

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It's like I remember I had I've had one of

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the jfrs and my ex and called it a jafar

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cigar and I was like, that's kind of funny. It's

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pretty good. Yeah.

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So but but we made the best of it as

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best we could. Where we're filming again, I mean, by

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the time this airs, it'll be done already. Yeah, and

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god willing, nothing could go wrong with that one. Yes, yes, Wood,

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we're just knocking on that we are. But it was

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a lot, I know, it was.

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It was. It was a lot.

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And uh, yeah, that was just there was a lot

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that whole weekend. Yeah, not an easy time.

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Well, the good news is is you got your car back.

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I did, yes, so, which which was a hilarious thing too. Honestly,

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that week was kind of a lot of awful, but

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one of the funniest things was my car had been

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in the shop for almost two full weeks.

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I found out what happened. Yeah, you told me you

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have a good please please tell the audience.

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Well, I found out that what happened was my car.

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I dropped my car off and on Monday. I dropped

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it on a Saturday, and they're not open on Sunday.

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So on a Monday, they they called me up and

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they were like, okay, we confirmed it's the hybrid inverter.

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It's expensive. Are you sure you do you want to

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do it? I'm like yeah, So we figure out all

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that and they were like, well, the part will be here.

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When he was like, I'm hoping we get you on

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the road Thursday, maybe Friday at the latest, I'm like,

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all right, cool. Wednesday, they confirmed the part arrives and

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then I hear nothing. And my mechanic's usually really good.

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I think I pitched about this last week too, but

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apparently what had happened is their lead mechanic left the

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day my part arrived for his vacation, so they were understaffed,

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and he was the only person there who'd ever worked

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on a hybrid battery system, which is, from what I've understood,

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relatively dangerous. It's because it's high amperage, high voltage. I've

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heard of people diying it, but I've heard that it's dangerous.

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And they actually have gloves specifically. They're specifically for handling

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hybrid batteries so that you can't get electrocuted. They had

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one pair of those gloves because it's a specialty item,

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so they had to order another pair because they realized

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they needed like two mechanics minimum to try and do

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this thing. Well, the gloves arrived late, and then when

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they got there, when they opened the new box of gloves,

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they saw a big sign on it that said like

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made of latex, and then the other mechanic was like,

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I'm allergic lateex. So the car just sat and they

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said that basically like every day they tried to put

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an hour into doing something with it, and it was

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just failing every time. So finally I got mad, you know,

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I was just like, you guys didn't tell me what

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was going on, and like, and from what I understand now,

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a lot of them didn't quite know what was going on.

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But so they were like, hey, on a Thursday, like,

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if I don't have your car to you tomorrow, you're

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gonna go get a rental car and then you'll have

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the car until I give you your car back. So

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Friday comes, no car. I go to get a rental car.

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And this was very funny. They'd scheduled me to pick

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up a sedan or like vehicle from an enterprise and

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I was already out to lunch with my mom. So

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I was like, Mom, just drop me off of the

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at the enterprise that they scheduled that.

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I'm early.

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If they don't have anything ready, I'll just wait. So

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I get there and I'm like, hey, I know i'm

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an hour early, but I'm here for this whatever. I

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give my name and they're like okay. So you know,

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he was like, bad news. Is the sedan that we

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were expecting for you should have been here by now,

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so we can clean it up real quick and then

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give it to you. It's not here. I can put

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it in order for a sedan from another store and

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it'll probably be here in about an hour. Yeah, hour

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and a half and he was like, or I can

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see what we have and just try to get you moving,

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and I was like that's fine with me. So he

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leaves and five minutes later comes back and he goes,

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how's a pickup truck? Would that be all right? And

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I'm like, yeah, yeah, pickup truck's fine. I haven't driven

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a pickup truck in a long time, but yeah, I

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don't care, like sure, So he's like awesome. So three

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minutes later, a guy comes out and just has the keys.

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He's like, let's go getch your car. So I step outside.

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It was a bright red Jeep Gladiator it was, which

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is gigantic.

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It is.

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It is a friggin' beast it is. And I burst

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into laughter because not only because it couldn't just be

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a giant truck, even a truck. Yeah yeah, fire engine red,

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which just made it even funnier.

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You just need to the horns.

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Oh my god, I'm shocked they didn't come standard because

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that car was crazy.

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I was.

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I was intentionally driving over my curbs and stuff because

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I feel it. You can't even feel it. It was awesome.

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I drove that thing like I stole it. I was

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like I was like, I was, I was gunning the

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gas because I drive a Prius, you know, and they

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they're not like a lot of people have opinions about

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Prius based on like when they first came out eight seven,

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and they were really In the words of my friend

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Matt Lake, who owned a first generation Prius, he was like,

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it has the delightfulness of a golf cart motor combined

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with the delightfulness of a riding lawnmower motor. And I

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was like, yeah. He was like, not a very good car,

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great gas. Literally, not a very good car. Well, I

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have an O nine and it's got a little it

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can go.

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Yeah, it's fine.

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It's still you know, it's not freaking monster. This was

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a V six friggin thing, So that was fun. At

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least I got some fun out of it. I drove

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it around like crazy. We got to haul some stuff

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I'd been meaning to haul because I had this massive truck,

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and it was very amusing driving around in that thing.

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It was fun riding with you out of the lounge

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on Friday, I'll say that much.

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Yeah, that was the first thing I thought to I

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was like, oh, I'm driving the guys to the lounge.

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In this frigging beast. And the only the moment that

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I realized this really isn't for me, though, was I

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was on my way to return it today and I

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stopped at.

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The gas station.

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You go, top off the gas tank, Yeah, and it

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was half I had a half a tank. I spent

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thirty three dollars filling that half of the tank. Holy now, now, David,

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I don't spend thirty three dollars in two weeks filling

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up my Preus gas tank is nine gallons. It was

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almost ten gallons to fill that tank halfwayes And that's

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what I was like, Yeah, you know, there's a reason

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I never read trucks well. And there's a reason I

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never went big trucks ever. I when my Volkswagen died,

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which you know, got like twenty eight miles per gallon

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on a good day, I was like, I want forty

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four to forty eight miles per gallon, which is what

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I get on the Prius. And the funny thing is

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I told somebody that online because I posted a picture

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of that truck on my Facebook and some people were like,

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oh it really suits. You're like, oh, you're gonna be hooked,

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And I was like it gets eighteen miles per gallon.

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Yeah.

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And a friend of mine had comment and said, like,

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you'd be surprised I sacrificed twenty seven miles per gallon

468
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because I realized how much I loved having that like

469
00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:23.720
grip and being able to whatever whatever. And I was like,

470
00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:27.599
I would be sacrificing forty four miles per gallon. She's like,

471
00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:30.119
holy crap, really, And I was like, my Prius is

472
00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:32.400
old too, like the newer Priuses do like fifty one

473
00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:33.160
to fifty two miles.

474
00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:36.079
I can't imagine you driving that across the country, across

475
00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:37.839
the US, or that matter. I could, I'd have to.

476
00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:40.079
I wouldn't even need roads, yeah, I mean you wouldn't.

477
00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:43.400
Just need a lot of money for the gas. Yeah, yeah,

478
00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:45.640
and the insurance and the insurance. Yeah.

479
00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:47.839
The shocking thing was I actually looked at the prices

480
00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:50.440
of like getting one. I was curious, it's only like

481
00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:52.039
six thousand dollars more than a brand new Prius.

482
00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:52.319
Yeah.

483
00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.599
Prius are expensive, so they they maintain their their value

484
00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:57.039
pretty well.

485
00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:57.319
Yeah.

486
00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:59.720
So that's always been my rule is I try to

487
00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:03.079
buy things that maintain value. Macintosh computers, I had a

488
00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:05.839
old swagon. They always hold value pretty well. Prius tend

489
00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:08.880
to hold value pretty well. Everybody wants a used Prius

490
00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:11.720
because that initial price is so high. Everybody wants the

491
00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:13.559
you know, the cheaper one. Yeah, I got it was

492
00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:15.880
a two thousand and nine with forty four thousand miles

493
00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:18.640
on it, and I got it in twenty fourteen. I

494
00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:22.160
had to put money down to see it because the

495
00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:25.480
guy flat out at the Toyota dealership was like, everyone

496
00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:28.920
wants this car. So if you're serious, I'm gonna do

497
00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:31.599
a I'll do a a like sixty dollars, hold on

498
00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:33.279
your credit card and come and look at it in

499
00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:36.039
a week when it because it wasn't even in yet. Yeah,

500
00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:39.279
so and it's sure enough. Like after trying to buy

501
00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:41.880
a used Prius, I noticed how quickly they they went.

502
00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:43.519
I don't know if they're quite that bad now because

503
00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:45.759
there's a lot more hybrids in the market, but Prius

504
00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:47.960
is still kind of like the gold standard hybrids kind of.

505
00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:50.240
I don't know if that's entirely true or not. I

506
00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:52.680
would love to see people get all mad and be like, no, actually,

507
00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:55.480
they do so much better with the hybrids on these. Now,

508
00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:59.119
that's cool, bro. But almost eleven years without a major

509
00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:01.400
repair on that car. So hell, yeah, but I'm not

510
00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:04.519
gonna lie. I got a little depressed because when I

511
00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:06.759
realized it was gonna it had been over two weeks

512
00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:08.519
since I dropped it off. I was like, I literally

513
00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:08.960
had that moment.

514
00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:11.279
I was like, I would have just bought a new car.

515
00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.359
I mean, not that I'm rich, but like I spent

516
00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:16.759
thirty seven hundred dollars fixing that car roughly somewhere in

517
00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:19.640
that neighborhood. Yeah, Like I could have put a nice

518
00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:21.720
fat down payment on a car, traded in that car

519
00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:23.559
to a Toyota dealership, wuld should give me a lot

520
00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:24.039
of trade in.

521
00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:24.880
Yeah, I could have.

522
00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:26.799
But the reason I didn't is I was like, well,

523
00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:28.799
I like my car and I want it back soon.

524
00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:30.519
So I did have that moment where I was like,

525
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.079
I really should have just bought it. And my mom

526
00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:33.839
even says she was like, we probably should have just

527
00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:36.000
went and found you a new car, because in two weeks,

528
00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:37.160
we could have found you in the right car.

529
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.680
And I was like, yeah, learn well.

530
00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:42.720
It has one hundred and ninety five thousand miles on it,

531
00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:45.880
the engine is in phenomenal shape. Now that the hybrid

532
00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:50.039
inverter has been replaced. Those basically never fail. Yeah, Like

533
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:51.640
that's one of the reasons they didn't know how to

534
00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:55.160
replace it is it's the most common issue in those

535
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:58.000
that era of Prius, and it almost never happened, never happens.

536
00:23:58.119 --> 00:23:59.319
Yeah, so it's one of those things.

537
00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:00.839
That's how it was explo to be On a message

538
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:02.079
board where I was trying to learn what was going

539
00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:03.880
on with it, people were like, it's the most common

540
00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:06.599
problem in a car with very few common problems. So

541
00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:08.359
in fact, I think they said it was guaranteed to

542
00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:11.200
one hundred and fifty thousand miles, and on the current

543
00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:13.839
Prius it's guaranteed for the lifetime of the car because

544
00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:15.400
that's how much they've advanced.

545
00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:16.160
The stuff makes sense.

546
00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:20.039
So I don't know, I like my Prius and I

547
00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:24.599
have full intention of buying another Prius. Yeah, inevitably makes sense.

548
00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:26.400
But yeah, I just had that moment where I was like, man,

549
00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:28.880
I could have put a two thousand dollars down payment

550
00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:30.920
on a Prius with like fifty five thousand miles. I mean,

551
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:33.160
I might have to go to Columbus, Ohio or Indianapolis

552
00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:36.480
to get it. Still good, it's worth well, it's worth it.

553
00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:42.480
You know, like I because you drive a SUV yeah, Trailblazer. Yeah,

554
00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:46.880
and like you do not understand when you get like

555
00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:49.000
forty four to forty eight, it really is forty four

556
00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:51.440
to forty eight. That is, I've never gotten much lower

557
00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:54.079
than that, except sometimes in the winter.

558
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:57.079
I mean I can get to Wasteland on one take

559
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.240
of gas and not even use the entire tank in

560
00:24:59.240 --> 00:24:59.720
that car.

561
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.680
I mean I can too. The difference is my tank

562
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:05.559
is nine gallons. Yes, I know that well because from

563
00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:08.640
what I understand, most car manufacturers their goal is for

564
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:12.160
a tank of gasoline to get you around three hundred.

565
00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:16.839
I have a seventeen gallon tank. Yeah that sounds right. Yeah. Yeah.

566
00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:19.160
So when I had my Voltswa, my Vocal Voltswa, I

567
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:20.400
got it like a thirteen gallon tank.

568
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:20.640
Yeah.

569
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:22.200
When I got the Prius, I noticed it would just

570
00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:25.160
click and I was like, it's nine gallons. Part of

571
00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.200
me was like I wish, I wish it was thirteen gallons.

572
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.279
So I get like five hundred miles I one tank anyway,

573
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:32.720
but no, so I am happy to have my car back.

574
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.960
That's something nice. My my micro drama just dropped on Dorian.

575
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.559
Hell yeah, I'm not going to plug it here. It's

576
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:43.519
not really the audience. But if you're curious to see

577
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:47.440
my micro drama like ghost soap opera, you can comment

578
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.640
on the video or comment on Spotify and I'll happily

579
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:52.960
give you the link. But it's on the Dorian app.

580
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.160
You can't miss it. If you download the Dorian app,

581
00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:59.400
you'll find it and type my name in. It'll come

582
00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:01.480
up along with the other series that'll be up in

583
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:02.200
like two weeks.

584
00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:02.720
You go.

585
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:05.599
So it's been really cool working with the people at Dorian.

586
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.240
I mean, it's been an experience because it's very different.

587
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:14.000
They're tech people, so they have they're just so different. Honestly,

588
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:15.680
overall better, that's good.

589
00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:16.640
Shows.

590
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:18.359
Business people are kind of silly. It's like I was

591
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:20.400
talking to our buddy J Cappy about that, yeah, and

592
00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:22.359
he was talking about Quibi. He was like, I guess,

593
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:24.799
I guess Quibi just came a little too late. And

594
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:26.519
I was like, well, and I said, no, No, Quibi

595
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:29.000
did exactly what they wanted to do. They wanted to

596
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:32.359
be a short movie studio, so they did what most

597
00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:35.160
studios do. They went bankrupt. Yeah, they nailed it.

598
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.880
They nailed it. There we go. Anyway, So speaking of

599
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:40.920
the Adventures. Last week we also went and saw Bring

600
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:41.359
Her Back.

601
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:45.519
We did from the from the directors of Talk to Me,

602
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:46.960
Talk to Me, the Brother Team.

603
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:49.839
Yeah and uh. I liked it.

604
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:55.160
Yeah, I didn't adore it, but there was a lot

605
00:26:55.359 --> 00:27:00.359
to enjoy. It was very tense, very creepy at all

606
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.839
of those points, very well. I liked that it was

607
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:07.279
relatively contained. I liked the blind character. I thought that

608
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:09.839
was a really cool way to go with it. Yeah,

609
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.279
I had one and I won't spoil it, but I

610
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:18.240
had They had one huge logic flaw that I can

611
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:20.839
usually let go of that, but that logic flaw makes

612
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:22.000
the entire movie happen.

613
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:24.119
I need to see it a second time to think

614
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.119
about it because I'm willing to let it go on

615
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.240
this first viewing, mainly because I like to Bring Her

616
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:30.559
Back a lot more than Talk to Me. I had

617
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:32.880
no big beef with Talk to Me. I thought it

618
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:36.119
was good. I thought it was a solid thriller, very unsettling.

619
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.960
There's just one treatment of a character in that movie

620
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:42.400
that just really bothered me because they just didn't stop.

621
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:46.160
I like how that bothered you, that like turns you

622
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.799
toward the other one where like the only problem is

623
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.960
there is just it's a lot of disbelief for a

624
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.319
major point of bring her Back to work.

625
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.000
In the movie. You and I talked about incredible scene.

626
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.319
It's just that the inciting element that keeps things going

627
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:04.559
doesn't quite make sense.

628
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:05.960
You and I, You and I talked about that, and

629
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.599
you're and you're not wrong. My My big beef with

630
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:11.720
Talk to Me was just it just it. I remember

631
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:13.480
sitting in the theater and just it got to a

632
00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:15.640
point where I was just like, is this what they're

633
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.880
gonna keep doing in this movie to this particular character?

634
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:21.799
And then when the character didn't really even get a

635
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:25.279
happy ending by any stretch. Honestly, it just really I

636
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.519
just wasn't a fan of that, Like Talk to Me's

637
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:30.119
fine as opposed to bring her back, full of happy end,

638
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:34.799
bring her back, gave gave closure though it did it

639
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.759
did it did, bring her back, gave closure. Talk to

640
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:40.759
Me left it open because we are getting a sequel.

641
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:45.279
But yeah, I've been having this conversation with a couple

642
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.079
of people, and I just I really wanted to like

643
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.319
talk to me more about have you rewatched Talk to Me? No,

644
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:51.759
I haven't. That might be I might need to but

645
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.759
that that fuck it. I'll just say it. There, what

646
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:58.440
happens to the brother and talk to me really upset me. Sure,

647
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:02.240
and then it he did it again, It did it again.

648
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.920
And then even by the last action of the movie,

649
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:07.720
not gonna spoil that, but even by the last action movie,

650
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.400
brother still doesn't really get off on a good hand

651
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.480
and is completely fucked for life.

652
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:18.240
And did nothing. Yeah, that's my big key. I mean,

653
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:21.960
there was a lot of cruelty to people who had

654
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.079
no ye didn't deserve it.

655
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:26.400
And bring her back. I think what I liked about

656
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:28.599
bring her back, and it could have been the supernatural

657
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:30.720
element was a little bit more explained and talk to me,

658
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:32.279
and I guess it was a little more left open

659
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:35.559
and bring her back a little bit. Is is heavy

660
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:35.960
a lot.

661
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:39.640
There's no which is fine, it which work worked fine, Yeah,

662
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:43.640
but there is no explanation for exactly how we got

663
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:45.000
to what's going on, whereas talk to.

664
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:46.880
Me, you basically get everything in that first ten minutes

665
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:47.799
that they bring out that hand.

666
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.960
Yeah, it's it's I think that one builds a universe

667
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:52.079
in a more traditional way.

668
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:53.640
I'm very curious to see what they're gonna do with

669
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.559
the sequel. And I most likely will watch it again

670
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.480
with the sequel coming. But yeah, I I if I

671
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:00.079
had to pick out of the two so far that

672
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:01.720
I really liked more, I really did like bring her

673
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:03.119
back more, and I'm ready to watch it again.

674
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:05.799
I will say, I remember your mood being a little

675
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:07.799
snippy that day.

676
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.599
For talk to me. Well, when I looked back on

677
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:11.400
what day it was.

678
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.079
Yeah, yeah, that wasn't I wasn't saying like so funny

679
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.759
but cool, sweet, all right, let's talk about this don

680
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:20.039
peppine Garcia, my father Connecticut.

681
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:21.359
This is a cigar show now.

682
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.640
Yeah, but no, no, That's why I was like, maybe

683
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.039
should give it a rewatch because I do remember I

684
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:30.079
think you were you were in a kind of a

685
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:31.960
mood and you were that doesn't mean that you'll love

686
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.599
it more and yeah, but uh, and I think you

687
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:38.240
were really hoping for Like the vibe I got when

688
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:39.720
we talked about it was that you were kind of

689
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:43.680
hoping for like simultaneously a teen slasher movie, but also

690
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:46.240
that would be like not at all what you would expect.

691
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:47.720
I don't remember that, but it does sound like me.

692
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:49.480
Yeah, well no, and that was And that's what I

693
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:50.839
mean is it was like It's kind of a little

694
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:54.279
contradictory because I liked that it went. It did give

695
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:55.920
you a teen slasher me in a way you hadn't

696
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:59.079
seen before, but it also skipped some of the tropes well.

697
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.319
And what's funny to me is Bring Her Back has

698
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:05.359
more of a terrifying, unsettling scene that I'm not gonna

699
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:07.279
spoil that kind of up.

700
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:08.960
To talk to me like, you're gonna have to be

701
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:10.799
more specific. I don't know which one you're talking about.

702
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:13.839
Nom nom nom, You're still gonna have to be more specifically.

703
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:15.279
You know, I'm right. You know I'm right.

704
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.359
No, No, that's me, that's me gassing up bring her back?

705
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.559
Do you want some food? Oh, don't do that.

706
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.160
I mean maybe I know what you're talking about.

707
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:23.319
Now.

708
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:25.519
That movie's got a lot of hard scenes to way.

709
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.000
I don't want to act it out. No, I don't

710
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:28.519
want to. I'm just I'm just.

711
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:31.720
But my point is just that I'm with you. I

712
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.160
think the movie is even more disturbing. The brother tried

713
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:36.039
to sony ways and made it worse. I'll put it

714
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:39.200
that way, I mean, and bring her back, Yeah, I mean,

715
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:39.720
you're not wrong.

716
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:43.799
The brother tried to help one character that we got

717
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.200
a lot of sympathy for, and then something happened where

718
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:48.200
he was trying to take him.

719
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:50.079
I know what, I know what scene you're talking about.

720
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:52.799
My point is that there is a lot of disturbing.

721
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.319
There is, but that one, in particular, I just remember

722
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.720
being on my seat being like, holy shit, No, that

723
00:31:57.759 --> 00:31:59.440
one was rough. Yes, that one was rough.

724
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:03.640
That was like cringey, like things with fingernails. Not it

725
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:06.440
wasn't things with fingails, but like things with fingernails or like,

726
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.119
you know that that kind of thing. I'm not disagreeing, Yeah,

727
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:10.559
that was kind of My point is that, like it's

728
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:14.119
actually I think they hit that note really well multiple times.

729
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.720
I probably do, oh, bring her back or bring her back?

730
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:18.799
Talk to me another watch, so I will, like I said,

731
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.079
I will get to it. But yeah, if I had

732
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:21.839
to pick right now, bring her back was my favorite.

733
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.200
It could change, but I highly recommend bring her back.

734
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.039
And bring her back. That's kind of why I'm a

735
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.759
little harsher to bring her back, is because by being

736
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.440
more self contained, that's generally something I like more and

737
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:36.960
find scarier. But then having to have one of the

738
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.440
conceits to make it all make sense. Yeah, not have

739
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:41.079
a lot of logic to it.

740
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:42.839
It just it just kind of it just.

741
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.960
Like it's like, you know, an a automatic half star deduction.

742
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.240
It's not it's not enough to make me say, don't

743
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.559
ever see that movie. It's great, it's really a good film.

744
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.759
Feel like the main character and talk to Me was

745
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:54.680
really unlikable.

746
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.119
I think they were all pretty unlikable and talk to men,

747
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.359
I would agree that that. Actually, yeah, they're they're all

748
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:01.119
pretty hard to like.

749
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:04.599
Whereas Bringer Back, I felt sympathy for damn near all

750
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:04.920
of them.

751
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.480
Oh, I would agree with that entirely. Yeah, no, no, no,

752
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:11.279
that's yeah, no, I I it's it's important to state

753
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:15.359
that I like to bring her back, and it's it's

754
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.720
it's I'm always harder on a movie when it when

755
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.799
it was like close to four stars in my mind,

756
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:21.000
but then it just isn't.

757
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:21.480
It just doesn't.

758
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.119
I'm gonna be a little harsher because I'm like, it

759
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.039
was so close to everything I could have wanted.

760
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.160
I totally dropped my rating to talk to me when

761
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:28.240
we were leaving.

762
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:35.319
On Hateful Last Hateful baster See, And unlike David, I'm

763
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.680
this is a hypothetical star rating because I write these things.

764
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:38.880
You know.

765
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:41.519
Ever, No, I like the idea that based on my

766
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.359
mood and what I had for lunch that day, I

767
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.000
will say, what what star rating? I feel a movie

768
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:49.039
is in that moment that one of the.

769
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:51.119
Most rewarding things of our friendship when it comes to

770
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.799
the to our movie friendship, especially, is that you've had redeems.

771
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.799
I've had redeems, cinematic redeems and everything. We're just like

772
00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:59.119
you were just like, ah, I was never a big,

773
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:00.599
fatous movie, but I'll give ano shot. And then you

774
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.559
turned around liking it. Same thing with me, but you

775
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.440
had way more on me than I have on you. Yeah.

776
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:10.480
Well, I think that my era of I was in

777
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.679
a bad mood or whatever. I think my era was

778
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:14.559
just the window.

779
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.000
Was a little shorter. Yeah, that's fair.

780
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:18.559
That's all because like, there are a couple of movies

781
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:23.840
that I like outwardly didn't like when I first saw them. Yeah,

782
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.519
that are bizarre. I mean, like, I didn't like Straight

783
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:29.559
Into Darkness the first time I watched.

784
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.400
That's shocking. Yeah, that's really shocking.

785
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:35.800
Because Burr the director, when I told him, I was

786
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.000
like it was kind of a little dark for me

787
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:38.679
or whatever, and he was like a lot of people

788
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:40.760
felt that way. You know, it's all right. When I

789
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.880
read I rewatched a few months after I knew him,

790
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.360
and literally the moment it ended, I was like I

791
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.239
was texting him. I was like, that movie's fucking genius, dude, Like, no,

792
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.719
it really is. It's a genius film. It really is great.

793
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.320
So I think my window was just a little shorter.

794
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.199
I think, you know, you know, with your time in college,

795
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:58.679
yeah and stuff like, I think you had a lot

796
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:00.920
of interesting times to experienced stuff.

797
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.320
The hardest thing lately has been going back and watching

798
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:04.840
some of the stuff that I loved when I was

799
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:06.840
in tailing to high school into college. A lot of

800
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:10.039
those like Anchor Bay titles, like the original Anchor Bay titles,

801
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.519
and like that dimension extreme and whatnot. And don't be wrong,

802
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:14.719
I still like them, but they had their time, and

803
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.440
they've kind of moved a little lower on the shelf.

804
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:20.199
Give it eight years, yeah, and then they'll be wonderful again,

805
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.400
because right now everybody's really into the nineties, they'll be

806
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:25.559
into the two thousands and no time. We're already knocking

807
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:26.280
on it a little bit.

808
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:28.599
I mean, laid to Rest definitely did hold up. Laid

809
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:29.559
to ress too, not so much.

810
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.079
Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, No, it's funny. I

811
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:34.760
was watching this video about how nostalgia works and stuff,

812
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.199
and it was talking about how like millennials are obsessed

813
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.239
with the nineties, and I was like, yeah, but only

814
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.119
re Like I thought this out lot, and I was like, yeah,

815
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.920
but only recently, like in twenty ten was all the eighties. Yeah,

816
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.199
And then he even mentions like he even says like

817
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:48.000
in twenty eleven, it was all about the eighties. It's

818
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:51.039
always about thirty years. And I was like, it is.

819
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:52.360
It's at least like about.

820
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:54.519
Thirty last three VHS films have been ninety if I'm

821
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:55.079
not mistaken.

822
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.960
Oh yeah, no, people are all thinking about the nineties now,

823
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:00.960
and how I mean, look at the resurgents, So a

824
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:04.159
resurgence of vinyl and VHS. I feel like that's very

825
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.840
eighties coded, more seventies with vinyl, but you know what

826
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.159
I mean, very eighties coded, especially because in the eighties

827
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.960
you got vinyl releases for like rock music, and so

828
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.039
because a lot of people nowadays not so much. But

829
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:16.960
like when I was growing up, when you heard vinyl,

830
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.559
you were thinking like, oh, you're really into like Paul

831
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.159
Anka m h, you know that was what you think of.

832
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.199
Yeah, But then if you think of the eighties, the

833
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:24.960
eighties is when.

834
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:26.719
It's like, oh I got a Cramps record, Oh I

835
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.360
got all these like these things. Now you look at

836
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:32.039
like Vinyl's still running strong without a doubt, but like

837
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:35.719
now there's this resurgence of like cassette tapes, and I

838
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:38.440
see cassette tapes as way more nineties.

839
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.599
We just watched Jason Goes to Hell the New four

840
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:42.960
K from Earrow over the weekend, and then our buddy

841
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:44.880
Ryan at Terror Vision announced that the Jason Goes to

842
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:46.840
Hell soundtrack for the first time ever on cassette, So

843
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:48.199
naturally I had to pre order.

844
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.599
It, and they sold the most cassettes they've ever sold

845
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:51.239
in one sale.

846
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.960
Well, they have to give them a picturel quick. As

847
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.800
of right now, they have one through nine, fright thirteenth

848
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:59.840
soundtracks available on cassette. Oh yeah, that's a big fucking deal.

849
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:01.199
I would agree. Yeah.

850
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:05.159
So, but I'm saying so cassettes to me, being a

851
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.159
kid who was born in eighty six, like my walk

852
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:12.440
I had, my first Walkman was a cassette Walkman. Cassette

853
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:14.800
tapes weren't just in the car.

854
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:16.840
They were. They were a thing you they were in

855
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:17.760
the homes they were.

856
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.400
Yeah, and you would record cassettes off the radio and

857
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:23.880
stuff like that. I got my first CD player in

858
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:26.639
like two thousand and one, like personal walkmand CD player

859
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:30.880
in like two thousand and one. So CDs were at

860
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:32.920
the end of the nineties, like to where it was

861
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:34.960
like we'd have a boombox or we had a little

862
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:36.760
stereo in the living room. We'd listen to CDs and

863
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:40.800
we'd get them from you know, we we'd scam what's

864
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:43.119
the house, Columbia house.

865
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:44.159
We would do it.

866
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.079
Oh my mom like would be like, order whatever you

867
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:48.639
want because when they send the bill, I'm gonna say

868
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:53.119
my kid did it, because you did. And that's you

869
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:54.559
always get out. You just said my kid did it,

870
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:57.480
and they're like, oh shoot, oh man, I guess it

871
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.280
really did. Only cost four cents of CD. So I

872
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.280
remember because I got like Jeff Foxworthy stand up comedy album.

873
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.079
I got the Beavis and butt Head CD. I think

874
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:08.360
that was the movie soundtrack.

875
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.679
One of the movie soundtrack, yeah soundtrack, by the way.

876
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:13.079
The Mortal Kombat soundtrack, which is one of the best

877
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:17.320
movie soundtracks. That was that movie and that soundtrack introduced

878
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:22.480
an entire generation to industrial and techno music that had

879
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.079
never really been around it, because I mean, that's why

880
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.639
I first heard KMFDM type o negative.

881
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:29.840
Tracy Lord's had a song on that album, even though

882
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:31.480
I don't know if it was under her name or not.

883
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:33.800
It might have been under the mixer and everything, but yeah,

884
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:35.960
she had a song on that album too, and.

885
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.000
It had some great stuff on there. And I mean

886
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.480
I remember listening to that CD a bunch and then

887
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:45.679
going to like best Buy and they had one KMFDM album. Yeah,

888
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:48.599
and it was KMFDM Sucks, which is a great album,

889
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:50.400
really fun. I think it was EP actually, but it

890
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.000
was really fun. But I remember like jam and the

891
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.599
KMFDM Sucks and listening to all this, and then eventually

892
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:57.920
I got Nile or Nihill I think It's How You

893
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.079
Say It, which was the album that juke Jo and

894
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.960
Jezebel which was from Mortal Kombat was on there, and

895
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:04.840
I would like listen to that all the time. And

896
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:06.840
then that took me down the road to like Snake

897
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:08.840
River Conspiracy and Switchblade Symphony.

898
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:10.199
You have your Snake Rivers Conspiracy.

899
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:12.840
Now that's a great album. That's a that's an album

900
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:14.079
that's a I.

901
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:16.280
On Apple Music. No, you can only listen to on

902
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:17.639
YouTube or if you actually have a CD.

903
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:23.000
I really hope that people that was. That was a

904
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:28.440
fascinating album, really well produced, thought out. The vocalist was

905
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.960
amazing and she was completely unknown. Yeah, so anyway, I

906
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:34.199
could talk about Snake River conspiracy.

907
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:36.599
You keep going with nineties sostyalgia because our movie Tonight

908
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:38.639
is a nineties movie.

909
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.760
And it's a very nostalgic nineties movie to me because

910
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.360
it was on television regular, not HBO either, It was

911
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.639
just on USA, it was on TBS. It was on

912
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:50.039
TNT all the time when I was a kid.

913
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:52.639
Yes, we are wrapping up Listener Request Month with one

914
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.360
of our most requested titles since we started the show,

915
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:57.760
and that is ninety one of them. Yeah, there was.

916
00:39:57.800 --> 00:39:59.119
There was basically a top three, and that's what we

917
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:03.000
chose this month, kid Surviving the Game, and uh, oh

918
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:04.360
shit ready or not?

919
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.239
Wow, I'm spicy Surviving the Game got requested soon. I'm

920
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:09.199
happy about it because this is a movie that I

921
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:11.760
felt like was kind of forgotten for a little while,

922
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.440
and then people would talk about it here and there,

923
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.920
and then when shout factory did their little, their little

924
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.920
blue release, which the movie needed needed because that DVD

925
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:23.480
was rough to watch, Yeah, and the VHS was impossible.

926
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.679
I mean, yes, we'll talk about when we get to

927
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.119
this big night scene at the end. On DVD, it

928
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.559
was hard to watch. On VHS, it was impossible to watch.

929
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.199
I bet, I bet, I wonder how it looked in

930
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:32.719
the theater.

931
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:35.320
Like I said, when when I sent you that clip

932
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:37.280
of Ciskel and Eber that they have it up on

933
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.480
the screen and you can barely tell that's F. Murray

934
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:45.320
Abraham until you hear his voice. F. Murray Abraha. But yes,

935
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.360
we are talking about surviving The game from nineteen ninety four,

936
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:51.480
one hour and thirty six minutes, rated R for strong

937
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.960
violence and language. EMBE synopsis says, a homeless man is

938
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.239
hired as a survivalist guide for a group of wealthy

939
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.920
businessmen on a hunting trip in the mountains, unaware that

940
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.440
they are killers who hunt humans for sport and he

941
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:03.360
is their due prey.

942
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.480
That's a decent that's a decent one. The wording, while

943
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.000
I don't love it, Yeah, like putting words like killers

944
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:12.000
in there is smart. It makes it sound I mean

945
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:14.119
it's just an exciting movie. Yeah, but it makes it

946
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.280
more exciting if you were reading that on the tape.

947
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:18.559
My synopsis, when a homeless man accepts the job as

948
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:20.920
this survivless guide for several wealthy businessmen in the mountains,

949
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:22.800
he will have to use his street smarts and instincts

950
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:26.480
when he suddenly becomes the hunted. That's not bad.

951
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:30.000
I don't want to make this is My only problem

952
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:35.079
is is like spiritual, Yeah, I don't. And this is

953
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.280
this comes down to a person having watched the movie

954
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.599
so many times. What I get from the movie personally. Yeah,

955
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:41.159
I don't think it's his street sparks and stuff. I

956
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:44.000
think it's just his will to live. But that's quibbling.

957
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.599
That is not like be going, David, you're wrong, knock

958
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:48.000
the mic over, bust your nose.

959
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:49.679
You know. Well, I mean we did see him, you know,

960
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.480
making those trees smoke in the beginning of the movie,

961
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:53.760
so I mean he does carry that over into the forest.

962
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:57.480
Those damn those damn city trees always smoking their their

963
00:41:57.639 --> 00:41:58.079
pall mall.

964
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:02.559
Taglines include Jack Mason knows he's going to die someday,

965
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:04.360
but today he's not in the mood.

966
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.920
I kind of love that one, even though I don't

967
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.000
think that's a good tagline in of itself.

968
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:13.159
I love it though, Yeah, how far will you go

969
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:17.079
to stay alive? That's a good tagline. The rules are simple,

970
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:23.119
kill or be killed? Solid the Ultimate man Hunt. The

971
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.400
problem with a killer the rules are simple, killer, be killed.

972
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:28.840
Is that tagline could be a tagline for like a

973
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:30.679
million movies. Oh yeah, because.

974
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:33.519
It's so simple, but it works so well. You could

975
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:36.599
use that so many, so many action movies.

976
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.239
Lastly, the thrill is the kill.

977
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:41.360
That's good. I like that's a good one.

978
00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:44.280
Yeah. At this time, Surviving the Game is currently rentable

979
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.159
on Prime and Fandango, rentable with the new HD transfer

980
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:49.320
that is available now too, and has not been available

981
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:50.559
for a long time.

982
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.480
Yes, no, we were waiting forever to get an HD

983
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:54.079
of this film.

984
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.920
Director on the film is Ernest R. Dickerson. He gets

985
00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:00.679
his start as a cinematographer, Yes, on some credible films.

986
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.360
So he starts with Joe's bedste Stewie Barbershop, We Cut

987
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.119
Heads in eighty three, goes on to do Grand Master

988
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.639
Flash and mel White Lines Don't do It All Right

989
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:13.400
in eighty three, The Brother from Another Planet in eighty four,

990
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.599
he shoots I haven't seen that forever. I love that movie.

991
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:19.599
He shoots Bruce Springsteen's video for Born in the USA

992
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:20.360
in eighty four.

993
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:22.719
That makes sense too. This is something I try to

994
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.159
point out, especially back in the day. Yeah, there are

995
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:28.880
if once you start looking at these credits and start

996
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.000
looking at like the side characters and things, you can

997
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:34.519
very quickly tell like shot near New York and Bruce

998
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.480
Springsteen obviously loves Jersey and he wants to be near Jersey.

999
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.639
Ernie Dickerson hanging out New York because he ends up

1000
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:42.360
falling in very soon we'll be talking about when he

1001
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:43.280
falls in with Spike Lee.

1002
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.199
Yeah, so it makes sense.

1003
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:47.440
It's kind of like you can watch OZ, and then

1004
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:50.840
after you watch OZ, every movie you watch you'll see

1005
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.360
like the guy who's the cab driver.

1006
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.039
And be like, oh, they're shooting near New York.

1007
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:58.400
Because OZ literally had every single character actor New York

1008
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:01.079
had to offer. Yeah, was in that show. I mean

1009
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:04.239
that's what put JK. Simmons on the map as a

1010
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:06.800
character actor to the whole world, because he was a

1011
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:08.679
Broadway guy almost exclusively.

1012
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.239
Was he the M and M before he got OZ?

1013
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:12.440
I don't know. I think so.

1014
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:14.239
I think he was doing because that would make sense

1015
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.440
because like voice work, it's just a matter of like

1016
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:19.679
they used to did you know back in the day,

1017
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.880
do you man, do you know what an ISDN line is? No,

1018
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:26.559
so I don't remember what IDN stands for, and now

1019
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:31.559
I kind of want to ISDN. But IDN Integrated Services

1020
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:36.840
Digital Network. So an DN line was. It was the precursor.

1021
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.320
It was like a It was similar to DSL, which

1022
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.159
was the precursor to not fiber but to a cable Internet.

1023
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:42.400
Yeah.

1024
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.440
It was a dedicated high speed line that guaranteed you

1025
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:47.920
one hundred and I think it was one hundred and

1026
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:49.679
twenty eight. It could be like variable, but it was

1027
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:54.119
a high kilobits per second up and down. Yeah, slow

1028
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:58.960
by broadband standards, but it was dedicated, so that meant

1029
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:02.119
that it never slowed down. It was always the same speed. So,

1030
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:05.960
back in the olden days, if you were in New

1031
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.639
York City and you wanted to do voice work for

1032
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:12.480
a major brand, they would rent a studio and they

1033
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:17.400
would have an ISDN line going to the whethers, to

1034
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:19.760
the engineer in wherever they are, or just to the

1035
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:21.760
board of people and they would listen as you do,

1036
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:23.519
and they would give you notes because they'd be hearing

1037
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:27.840
you in what was basically CD quality sound instantly. That's

1038
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.679
also how like how they used to do radio shows

1039
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:33.599
if people were on remote, like if they did the

1040
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:36.239
radio show in their basement studio, which wasn't very common,

1041
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.000
but when they did, the big thing was like I

1042
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:40.039
want to do the show for my home. I have

1043
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:41.320
to get an ISDN line.

1044
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:43.800
Have you heard the story about JK. Simmons going into

1045
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:47.000
record for there was like a radio thing that they

1046
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:48.920
were doing and they were like, Okay, we want you

1047
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:50.440
to go ahead and like do it like this guy did.

1048
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:52.920
They play a sample and it's JK. Simmons and so

1049
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:54.800
he's like he's like well, He's like I don't mean to,

1050
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:57.000
you know, split hairs here, but that's me, and they're

1051
00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:58.360
like okay, well yeah, just go ahead and do it.

1052
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.159
They went with somebody else. That's funny.

1053
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:04.800
That makes me think of when Pendulette told the story

1054
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.840
about doing voiceover in Vegas and the icdnline was going

1055
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:11.159
to the people in the studio, and in the studio

1056
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:14.760
in Vegas, he was at rip Taylor was there. I

1057
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:16.440
think this is when he was doing Comedy Central a

1058
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:18.280
voice for because he was the voice for Comedy Central,

1059
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:20.400
and so he grabbed Rip and said, like, help me

1060
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.559
do a joke, and he was like okay, so he said, uh.

1061
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:24.199
He was like, hey, guys, real quick, I just wanted

1062
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.400
to pitch something to you. I can do a really

1063
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:29.159
good rip tailor, Like what do you think? And then

1064
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:30.119
he had rip and ripped.

1065
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:31.320
What do you think? What do you think? How does

1066
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:32.079
this sound? How does this sound?

1067
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:36.039
And they were like, pen, you're not an impressionist, Like,

1068
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:42.159
let's just let's just stick to what works. Oh Taylor, Oh,

1069
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:44.039
he thought it was the funniest thing in the world. Well,

1070
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.519
they also didn't ask him to do a rip tailor. Yeah,

1071
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:48.800
it's just that's that's just that just kills me.

1072
00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:51.079
So yeah. He does Born in the USA at eighty four,

1073
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:53.440
then shoots the Patti LaBelle music video for Stirred Up,

1074
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:56.960
then does Crush Groove, shoots Vampires in eighty six.

1075
00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.840
He shot Crush Groove, I Love Crush.

1076
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:02.880
Grow, shot eight episodes of Tales from the Dark Side

1077
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.840
in eighty six, shoots She's Got to Have It, Enemy

1078
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:10.320
Territory in eighty seven, Eddie Murphy raw in eighty seven

1079
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.559
I believe that, then goes on to do School Days Experiments,

1080
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.800
Unlimited de Butt video, The Laser Man, Do the Right

1081
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.719
Thing in eighty nine, Public Enemy, Fight the Power Video,

1082
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:24.000
Fright House, Death by Temptation in nineteen ninety and he

1083
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:28.239
also shoots Mobeta, Blues, Law and Order, Jungle Fever, Sex, Drugs,

1084
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:30.800
and Rock and Roll, The Eric Wagozi and Special Malcolm

1085
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:32.960
X in ninety two, which is also the same year

1086
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:35.679
he becomes a director with Juice in ninety.

1087
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:39.199
Two, phenomenal film, like really, really, a great film. I've

1088
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:43.320
always Ernest Dickerson is one of those directors that I

1089
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.840
have admired deeply. I mean, to go from shooting Bruce

1090
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:49.159
Springsteen and you gotta remember, this is just a guy

1091
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:51.639
from New York who was very talented. He went I

1092
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.719
forget which film school he went to, or I know

1093
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:57.840
he did. Oh he's from Newark originally New Jersey.

1094
00:47:57.880 --> 00:47:58.039
Man.

1095
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.880
He's seventy three years old, Yes he is. His year's

1096
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:04.039
active years active are three years before was born to

1097
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.559
the present. But he uh, I wonder what school. I

1098
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:08.599
was trying to find out what school he went to.

1099
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:12.440
It doesn't matter, but he uh. I mean the fact

1100
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.239
that he goes from Springsteen to like four years later

1101
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.400
shooting Malcolm X. Yeah, incredible, he was.

1102
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:20.800
Shooting so he had already directed Juice and he was

1103
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.840
shooting Malcolm X in Egypt and reading the reviews from Juice.

1104
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:26.679
That's epic. He talks about that on the commentary. Yeah,

1105
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:29.079
that is sick. So that he directs Surviving the Game

1106
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:30.960
in ninety four, follows that up with Tails from the

1107
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:33.760
crypt Demon Knight follows that up with Bulletproof, then goes

1108
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:35.840
on to the Dude Blind Faith a Bush. That one

1109
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:39.000
with Patrick Patrick. Oh my god, Robert Patrick, who watched

1110
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:40.599
I love that was a solid one.

1111
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:43.000
Robert Patrick had some great B movies because they just

1112
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:44.719
saw the cool surface for the first time.

1113
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:47.719
Yeah, which to watch it? You love it? Oh, I'm

1114
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:51.000
sure I will. Robert Patrick. I mean the ones we found,

1115
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:53.000
the few we found, the one of him and Rooker

1116
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:57.280
wrote Rogue Squad or fuck what was it called rogue

1117
00:48:57.320 --> 00:48:59.760
Patrol or something like that. That was really good. Uh,

1118
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:03.400
Framed by Deception was really good, But I think the

1119
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:07.119
last gas where he gets possessed by a warrior was

1120
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.559
probably the wildest one. Yeah. Rogue Force, Rogue Force. Yeah,

1121
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:12.920
next two, Zero Tolerance where he was, you know, just

1122
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:14.320
a complete fucking badass.

1123
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:16.639
Oh my god, Zero Tolerance was so much fun.

1124
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:20.320
So Ambush in ninety eight, follows up The Future Sport,

1125
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.800
followed by Strange Justice, Night Visions, then directs Bones in

1126
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:27.920
two thousand and one, Our America, Monday Night Mayhem, Good Fences,

1127
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.000
Never Die Alone with DMX he does in two thousand

1128
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.800
and four, followed by Third Watch episodes of The l Word,

1129
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:37.239
Crossing Jordan, Criminal Minds, CSI, Miami Heroes, Masters of Horror,

1130
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:40.920
The v Word Er, The forty four Hundred, Weeds, The Wire,

1131
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:45.440
Fear Itself, Medium Bird Notice, Vampire Diaries, The Cape, Low

1132
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.000
Winter Sun, Dexter, Sleepy Hollow, Once upon a Time, Under

1133
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.519
the Dome, Walking Dead, Damien, The Deuce, I'm Dying up Here,

1134
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:56.039
House of Cards, The Purge, Bosh Parish, and Bosh Legacy

1135
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:56.840
in twenty twenty five.

1136
00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:58.400
Man, he got in the.

1137
00:49:58.320 --> 00:49:59.360
TV and didn't stop.

1138
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.639
But well, but my point is he got into TV

1139
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.639
right when it became premium, like he didn't He didn't

1140
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:08.239
have to schlep doing any like cheap shows. He was

1141
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:09.599
doing all the big stuff right away.

1142
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:11.840
Monday Night Mayhem in two thousand and two. Is that

1143
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:15.320
big TNT movie about Asell. I remember that, yeah, and

1144
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:16.599
that was a very big deal when it came out.

1145
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:18.760
I remember, like they were promoing the hell out of that.

1146
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:21.880
But I man, I didn't realize he got in so

1147
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:24.480
so early, like right when showtime in HBO and stuff,

1148
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.239
we're making these really incredible shows. He was right there

1149
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.760
directing episodes. Yeah, it makes sense. I mean he's he's

1150
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.960
damn good. And I want to mention Bones is incredibly

1151
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:37.079
I love it was underrated. I think now people appreciate it.

1152
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.920
Ever since that shout to a Stream Factory bluere came out,

1153
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:41.559
it seems like it's getting a little bit more appreciation.

1154
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:43.599
Oh yeah, So we have two writers on the film

1155
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.079
because technically this is based off of Richard Connell's short

1156
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:47.840
story from nineteen twenty four to the Most Dangerous Game

1157
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:48.159
Out one of.

1158
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:52.480
My favorite not my favorite short story. I've read it once. Yeah,

1159
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:57.320
my favorite story to be adapt adapted. I you give

1160
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:00.000
me any adaptation of Most Dangerous Game and I'm excited.

1161
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:01.880
Well, just just to name a few before we get there.

1162
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.079
So we've got the Naked Prey in nineteen sixty six,

1163
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:06.639
We've got the woman hunting seventy two, Turkey Shoot in

1164
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:10.360
eighty two, Let me some Turkey Shoot, Slave Girls from

1165
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:13.039
Beyond Infinity in eighty seven, Deadly Prey in eighty seven,

1166
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:15.639
Hard Target in ninety three, Surviving the Game in ninety four,

1167
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:17.000
The Past in ninety seven.

1168
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.559
You know, I always forget if it's a most dangerous game,

1169
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:21.559
but it totally is?

1170
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.880
It totally is? I mostly just enjoy when he's farting Dracula. Oh,

1171
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:25.840
I mean who doesn't.

1172
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:28.559
And I don't mean that he's farting out Dracula. I

1173
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.159
mean that he is a drafting draft bark in the shower,

1174
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:32.760
and well, where else are you going to be a

1175
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:33.400
farting drafto?

1176
00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:36.639
Then one I forgot about Apocalyptico, the Mel Gibson film

1177
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.159
in two thousand and six is technically one. Have you

1178
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:42.400
seen Apocalyptico, Apocalyptole, Apocalypto.

1179
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.320
Yeah, sorry, I saw it for the first time in November.

1180
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:47.639
It's great of last year. No, it's phenomenal film. I

1181
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:50.639
had no idea because it ended up putting Rachel and

1182
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:53.880
I on a NonStop Mel Gibson marathon because she had

1183
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.400
never seen the man without a face and she had

1184
00:51:56.440 --> 00:52:01.440
never seen Hacksaw Ridge. Oh yeah, pretty much everything else. Yeah,

1185
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:03.880
but I had never seen Apocalypto, so she showed me

1186
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:06.679
Apocalypto and then we just snowballed into like, man, I

1187
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:08.000
haven't seen a man without a face of forever.

1188
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:09.320
And she was like, what's that? And I was like, oh,

1189
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:11.360
good one, it's a great film. So we also have

1190
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:14.199
last week's episode Ready or Not is technically one, The

1191
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:18.000
Hunt in twenty twenty, Tremor Shrieker Island in twenty twenty,

1192
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:20.519
Apex the Most Dangerous Game remake in twenty twenty two,

1193
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.320
and most recently Death Hunt in twenty twenty two, which

1194
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:27.280
is a Canadian version. Yeah, so very polite, very polite.

1195
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:29.199
Oh hey there, we're gonna hunt you for sport a.

1196
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:32.559
So the other writer on the film is Eric Burnt.

1197
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.119
He gets to start writing the screenplay for Surviving the

1198
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.800
Game in ninety four, goes on to write Virtuosity in

1199
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:41.639
ninety five. He follows that up with Romeo mus Die Wow,

1200
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:44.719
followed by Highlander End Game in two thousand, Vegas Baby

1201
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:46.559
in two thousand and six, the Hitcher remake in two

1202
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:50.599
thousand and seven, another Rugger Howard Well original Rugger Howard Yeah, Yeah,

1203
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:52.760
The Echo in two thousand and eight, and z Nation

1204
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:53.639
in twenty fifteen.

1205
00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:55.719
Really yeah, interesting career.

1206
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:59.840
Our cinematographer is Bojon Bizzelli, who gets his start as

1207
00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:02.679
a DP on China Girl in eighty seven, goes on

1208
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:06.239
to shoot tape heads Patty Hurst Pumpkinhead in eighty eight,

1209
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.880
follows that up with The Comeback, then shoots Big Man

1210
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:12.719
on Campus in eighty nine, Haunting of Sarah Hardy in

1211
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.400
eighty nine, King of New York in eighty nine, The

1212
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:20.239
Christopher Walking movie Okay, a gnome called Norm. Okay.

1213
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:21.280
Now we're getting into art.

1214
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:24.920
Mariah Carey Visions of Love music video Mariah Carey Love

1215
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:28.360
Takes Time music video Fever in ninety one, The Rapture

1216
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.719
Deep Cover in ninety two with Laurence Fishburne. The Fear

1217
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:34.239
Inside follows that up with boxing Helena in ninety three,

1218
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:37.159
follows that up with one of your favorites in My Favorites,

1219
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:38.880
Body Snatchers in ninety three.

1220
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:45.719
He shot bodies, he shot, he snatched body shotters. There

1221
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.320
we go, Wow, that's it. So speaking of films that

1222
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:52.280
desperately needed a Blu Ray, yeah, that one just got

1223
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:57.119
a simple Warner Archive Blu ray, but looks phenomenal. Finally

1224
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.440
seeing that, and I'm not I'm not trying to be

1225
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.280
that guy, but I sometimes I can be. Seeing that

1226
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:06.519
film in the original two thirty five super wide aspect

1227
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:10.920
ratio made that movie so much better because when I

1228
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:13.559
watched it in the proper aspect ratio, Because what happens

1229
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:15.559
with these movies when they're shot super wide back in

1230
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:17.840
the day more so than now, is they used to

1231
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.199
just crop them into be normal sixty by nine for Cable. Yeah,

1232
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:27.000
that's how I didn't see I didn't see oh gosh,

1233
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.400
the Alec Baldwin Bear movie, Oh of the Edge, The Edge.

1234
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:32.440
I didn't see The Edge in its proper aspect ratio

1235
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:34.079
until the Blue, very until I bought the Blu ray

1236
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:36.440
because every at the time, like I watched it on

1237
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:38.599
Stars or whatever, and it was always cropped in a bit.

1238
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:39.039
Yeah.

1239
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:45.239
So, but Body Snatcher's in particular, every shot tells the story.

1240
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:48.599
So when you see the shots as they're exactly as

1241
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:53.280
they were meant to be seen, that movie becomes way scarier.

1242
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.159
I think, honestly, even though there you know, there is

1243
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:57.039
the there's the history with it about how it was

1244
00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:59.440
basically taken away from Able and everything, and the Studio

1245
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.800
did interfere with it massively. I still think it is

1246
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:05.760
one of the most underrated adaptations of Body Snatchers in general.

1247
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:08.480
We should do an underrated adaptation. I'd be down for that,

1248
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:09.679
like because we could.

1249
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:10.000
Start with that.

1250
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:12.119
Yeah, and just and you know what, a lot of

1251
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.480
them will be from the late eighties in the nineties, Yes,

1252
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.920
say would, And I bet you, I bet you almost

1253
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:19.159
all of them would be from like eighty eight to

1254
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:20.920
like two thousand and nine.

1255
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.800
Probably so. His Body Snatches in ninety three, follows that

1256
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:26.400
up with California with a K, the Brad Pitt movie

1257
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:29.920
Love Me Some California, shoots sugar Hill in ninety four,

1258
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.239
then shoots Surviving the Game the same year, follows that

1259
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:34.880
up with Dangerous Beauty The Ring in two thousand and two,

1260
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.440
then shoots Mister and Missus Smith in two thousand and five,

1261
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:39.920
Hair Spray remake in two thousand and seven, g Fours

1262
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.440
in two thousand and nine, Sorceers Apprentice in twenty ten,

1263
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:46.239
Burlesquan twenty ten, Rock of Ages, The Lone Ranger, Petee Dragon,

1264
00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:49.960
Spectral Cure for Wellness in twenty sixteen, six Underground for

1265
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:54.840
Netflix in twenty nineteen, Underwater in twenty twenty Oh shit,

1266
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:57.800
Snake Eyes in twenty twenty one, follows that up with

1267
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:00.159
Murder Mystery Too, the Adam Sandlor movie for Netflix in

1268
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.880
twenty twenty three, and most recently shot Peter Pan and

1269
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:05.280
Wendy in twenty twenty three for Disney Plus. Wow.

1270
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.280
Yeah, that's a hell of a career. Yeah it is

1271
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.280
because I was wondering. I now no longer wonder, but

1272
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:11.559
for a second I was wondering. I was like, I

1273
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:13.239
wonder what would be like to be the DP for

1274
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.000
a guy who started as a DP but he was

1275
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:18.360
already his credentials were pretty sick by the time he

1276
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:21.280
got to Surviving the game. Oh yeah, because California is

1277
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:23.960
a great film, very underrated. Yeah, really good film, and

1278
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.320
it looks great. It's very Yeah. This dude, this dude

1279
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:29.079
had has chops.

1280
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:31.199
Boxing Helena is one I really really want to see again.

1281
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:34.719
But getting a copy of it right now is fucking hard. Yep, God,

1282
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.199
so mood. Out of our cast, we have mister Rugger Howard,

1283
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:40.280
who plays Thomas Burns in the film one hundred and

1284
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.079
seventy four credits on his resume, by the way, not surprised,

1285
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:46.719
not at all so starts with Monjeur Hardwin in sixty eight,

1286
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:49.199
follows it up with Floree in sixty nine, Turkish Delight

1287
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:53.159
in seventy three, Hard to Remember, Willoughby Conspiracy, Cold Blood,

1288
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:57.239
Soldier of Orange Mysteries. Then his first US movie for

1289
00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:01.280
the most part is nineteen eighty one Nighthawks with Celevesterilone replaces.

1290
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:03.239
Terror Hawks a Lot. Yeah, that's a great film.

1291
00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:05.679
Goes on to the Star in Channel Solitaire, follows that

1292
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:08.079
up with Inside the Third Reich, then does Blade Runner

1293
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:10.880
in eighty two. That would put you on the map. Yeah.

1294
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:12.920
Then he follows that up with Eureka, goes on to

1295
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.599
the Oasterman Weekend a Breed Apart, Lady Hawk in eighty five,

1296
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:19.280
then does Flesh and Blood, The Hitcher in eighty six,

1297
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.280
Wanted Dead or Alive in eighty six, Escape from Sobovore

1298
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:24.960
in eighty seven, Legend of the Holy Drinker in eighty eight,

1299
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:28.760
Blind Fury The Blood of Heroes aka Rise Salute of

1300
00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:31.400
the Juggernauts is the other title that goes by. Then

1301
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:34.719
he does Law the Desert, Wedlock Past Midnight, Split Second,

1302
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:36.679
Buffy the Vampire Slayer in ninety two.

1303
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:40.559
Oh Man he's so good in Buffy the Empire Slayer.

1304
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:43.400
Blindside in ninety three. Arctic Blue then does survive in

1305
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:46.760
the game in ninety four, Nostre Damis Fatherland, Cross worlds

1306
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:49.840
Omega Doom, The Call of the Wild Blast in ninety seven,

1307
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:53.320
which was that terrorist Olympic swim team movie that we watched.

1308
00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:56.320
Yes, I'd love to watch Call the Wild, Call.

1309
00:57:56.239 --> 00:58:00.000
The Wild's Good Breeders in ninety seven, Merlin Simon Magnus

1310
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:03.320
Partners in Crime, The Tenth Kingdom, Slow Burned, Turbulence three

1311
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:07.280
Heavy Metal in nineteen ninety nine, or Excent two thousand

1312
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:08.960
and one. Then he does The Room, which he directs

1313
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.079
in two thousand and one. Not that one? Why Yeah,

1314
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:14.400
I don't think it was that one. Last words of

1315
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:17.480
Dutch sults, followed by Confessions of a Dangerous Mind alias

1316
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.360
Dracula two, The Ascension, Smallville Salem's Lot remake in two

1317
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:25.119
thousand and four, Sin City Batman begins Dracula three, Legacy

1318
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:29.519
Beside Adventure remaking five, Hunt for Eagle one, Minotaur, Dead Tone,

1319
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:33.480
Moving McAllister, Bride, Flight, Price of Motor City, Spoon, Hobo

1320
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:36.000
with the Shotgun in twenty eleven. One of my Favorites

1321
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:39.599
follows that up with The Right Then. Unfortunately, in twenty twelve,

1322
00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:43.840
he stars as Are. He stars in Daria Ragento's Dracula

1323
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:44.239
three D.

1324
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:46.559
I think you'd be kinder to that film if you

1325
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:47.880
saw it in the theater in three D.

1326
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:51.159
Maybe, But that's that praying Manta scene though.

1327
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.639
It's more of a spectacle. Yeah, I lucked out. I

1328
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:54.239
got to see it.

1329
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:56.199
I will say there is one thing. There is one

1330
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:57.559
thing I really like about the movie, and it's not

1331
00:58:57.559 --> 00:58:59.400
really a spoiler, because mean, it's been out over ten

1332
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.400
years at this point, but I love the scene where

1333
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:03.760
the townspeople meet in the tavern and you find out

1334
00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:06.639
that they've secretly been working with Dracula and covering his tracks. Yeah,

1335
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.519
they're going to stop, and that's why he kills them all.

1336
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:10.039
I love that little story element.

1337
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:12.079
That's a cool element. Yeah, I would agree very much.

1338
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.360
I really like that element. So Wilfrid in twenty fourteen,

1339
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:18.480
True Blood, Scorpion King four, Quest for Power, Gallivant Last Kingdom,

1340
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:23.079
Drawing Home Gangsterdam in twenty seventeen follows that up with

1341
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:26.079
twenty four Hours to Live Channel zero. Corbin Nash, the

1342
00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:29.360
sister's brother in twenty eighteen and Iron Mask in twenty nineteen.

1343
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.280
We unfortunately lost him in twenty nineteen July nineteenth at

1344
00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:34.800
age seventy five due to a short illness that didn't

1345
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:36.480
specify what exactly.

1346
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:40.519
Man I mean, Rutger Hower is incredible. Oh yeah, And

1347
00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:43.599
he's one of those guys who kind of became he

1348
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:48.639
became like Dennis Hopper and a couple of those other

1349
00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:52.000
guys who were like the perfect, like heavy, and they'd

1350
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:54.119
be in a smaller movie, they'd be in a bigger movie.

1351
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:55.400
I remember what a big.

1352
00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:57.880
Deal it was when he got in The Dark Night, Yeah,

1353
00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:00.440
because he had kind of been only doing the smaller

1354
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:02.639
most stuff. Yeah, and then all of a sudden he

1355
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:04.800
was in it was the same thing. Uh, they didn't

1356
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:09.360
they put Eric Roberts in one of those, Yeah, in

1357
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:11.920
the Dark Knight, In the Dark Knight, Yeah, Yeah, he's

1358
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:13.400
in The Gangster. That was another one too, where he

1359
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:14.920
was like he had at that point, he was starting

1360
01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:16.880
to be mostly just on TV, yeah, and the little

1361
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:18.639
B movies, and then all of a sudden he got

1362
01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:21.239
his cachet went way up again because he was in.

1363
01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:23.639
The Dark Knight. But it's no Halloween Puppy it is

1364
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:24.760
no Halloween puppy.

1365
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.239
Hey, I love Eric Roberts and I love it. Have

1366
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:29.360
you heard like when he talks about doing that. Oh yeah,

1367
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:31.320
he's like, I like to work. Shut up. Yeah, I

1368
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:33.840
love that. I need to I have his autobiography. I

1369
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:34.519
need to listen to it.

1370
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:35.920
You also need to see all the stock to one

1371
01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:37.719
of my doctors. We need to watch those like we

1372
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:39.880
need to just binge all five one day. I would

1373
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:42.719
love to, honestly. Yeah. So we also have in the

1374
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:45.119
cast iced t who plays Jack Mason. He gets to

1375
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:47.960
start in nineteen eighty three in Fame, then goes on

1376
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:50.000
to do Break It in eighty four, followed by breaking

1377
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:53.159
to Electric Boogloo in eighty four, follows that up with Rappin,

1378
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:55.480
then gets his big start in New Jack City in

1379
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:58.559
ninety one, follows that up with future episode Ricochet in

1380
01:00:58.599 --> 01:00:59.960
ninety one. Did you ever read?

1381
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:04.440
Ice Opinion is his first book. It's revertally it's really good.

1382
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:06.639
But my favorite thing about that is when he's because

1383
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:08.000
it is New Zek City is the one who plays

1384
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:09.880
a cop. Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought. So I

1385
01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:11.559
just want to make sure I remembered it right. So

1386
01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:15.199
he talked about how he was worried about playing a cop. Yeah,

1387
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:18.159
because you know his everything. Yeah, you know the cop

1388
01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:20.280
killer song, on top of oh we'll talk about cop

1389
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:22.920
on top of inventing gangster rap, yeah, which I do

1390
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.320
believe he invented gangster rap. I believe six in the

1391
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:27.360
Morning is the first gangster rap song. Come at me,

1392
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:31.639
I don't care. But the way he described it in

1393
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:33.760
the book is he went to some of his friends,

1394
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:36.159
you know, from the hood, and was like, what do

1395
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:39.079
you think about me playing a cop? And they were like, well,

1396
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:40.719
are you gonna play a good Are you playing like

1397
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:42.400
a bad cop or you playing a good cop? And

1398
01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:44.599
they'd be like, I'm playing like a good cop. Yeah,

1399
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:46.519
like a cop who means well. And he's like, then

1400
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:49.000
I don't see a problem. Can I be in the movie?

1401
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:50.199
That's funny?

1402
01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:52.119
Well, then the joke was because then he was like,

1403
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:55.079
so then I contacted my buddies in the penitentiary and

1404
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:56.920
they said, well, is he a bad guy or a

1405
01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:58.079
good guy? He's like, no, he's a good guy, and

1406
01:01:58.119 --> 01:01:59.760
I'll be able to like do something good with him,

1407
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:02.320
like awesome. Then I say do it? If I got

1408
01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:03.159
it released, could I be.

1409
01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:03.639
In the movie?

1410
01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:05.519
So the joke was that, like nobody cared that he

1411
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:06.920
was going to be a copy, just wanted to be

1412
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:08.519
in the movie because they thought it was so cool

1413
01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:09.639
he was going to be in a movie.

1414
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:11.840
So he does Ricochet ninety one, follows that up with

1415
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:15.280
another future episode, Trespass in ninety two, phenomenal film See

1416
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.639
Before in ninety three, Who's the Man ninety three? Does

1417
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:19.840
Survive in the Game in ninety four, then Tank Girl,

1418
01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:24.280
Johnny Namonic, New York Undercover, Swift, Justice, La Heat, even

1419
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:27.159
his a voice on Duckman in ninety seven. I remember

1420
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:31.840
that Duckman was something below Utopia aka body Count in

1421
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:32.360
ninety seven.

1422
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:34.639
Yeah, I'll never let that one go. You picked that

1423
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:35.119
one over me.

1424
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:39.039
Mean Guns in ninety seven, Crazy six, Welcome to Paradox Exile,

1425
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:40.679
Judgment Day in ninety nine, which.

1426
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:43.119
We watched Judgment Day. That's a fun one.

1427
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:47.039
Urban Menace in ninety nine, Batman Beyond Final Voyage, Vip

1428
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:50.320
Fresno Smooth, the Wrecking Crew in two thousand, leppin the

1429
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:52.599
Hood aka leprec On five in two thousand in the

1430
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:54.320
Hood and He's up to no good Luck of the

1431
01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:57.079
Draw in two thousand, The Heist, Law and Order SVU

1432
01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.599
in two thousand, which he is still on I think today, Yeah,

1433
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:01.679
I think you're Then he does three Thousand Miles to

1434
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:03.599
Graceland in two thousand and one. Have you seen that movie?

1435
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:06.000
So his character is one of my all time favorites.

1436
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:10.119
He's he's an assassin. That Kevin not Kevin Klein. Wow,

1437
01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:11.239
why am I blinking on his name?

1438
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:15.480
Kevin Bacon cos Coster three Kevin, So he got there.

1439
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:18.400
Kevin Coster hires him tip for this final shootout the

1440
01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:20.199
end of the movie, and when he walks up, he's

1441
01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:23.519
kidnapped Kurt Russell's it's not his kid, but it's the

1442
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:25.480
kid he's been with the movie. That's Courty Cox's son.

1443
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:27.559
And he's got like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich

1444
01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:29.559
and iced tea. Walks up and he's like, you want

1445
01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:33.119
a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? And he's like, yeah,

1446
01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:35.320
I love that well.

1447
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:40.039
And the late nineties was when he could when he

1448
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:43.519
was a pretty big name for low budget yeah action

1449
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:45.440
and by in this area, low budget was like a

1450
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:47.719
million and a half dollars or two million dollars, because

1451
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:49.719
he did some for Fred Ray, he did some for

1452
01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.719
Jim Minorski. There's a picture of Fred Ray holding one

1453
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:55.679
of Fred's babies, or picture of Fred Ray with Iced

1454
01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:57.599
tea yea and Iced. He's holding one of his babies.

1455
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:00.400
Apparently Ice loves kids. Yeah, like loves Louis because he

1456
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.400
loved being a dad and everything. So there's a picture

1457
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:05.480
I'm holding the I forget which which which one of

1458
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:07.320
them it was, but holding him on the set of

1459
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.360
I can't remember which one was, like Stealth Bomber, Yeah,

1460
01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:13.280
and uh. But apparently he said Ice was super fun

1461
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:16.159
because he just he was like he didn't take it.

1462
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:18.599
He didn't take it, not seriously, but he was also

1463
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:20.400
just kind of like, this is the fun thing I do.

1464
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:22.800
Like what I what I work hard at is writing

1465
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:23.559
wrap music.

1466
01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:26.840
So the best thing about that is so you get

1467
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:28.760
that scene with him, and then we get into the

1468
01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:30.960
shootout at the end of the movie and Ice shows

1469
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:33.880
up by spinning on this rope and just twirling machine

1470
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:38.000
guns as he's going through. That's so good. Okay, So

1471
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:40.280
he does Deadly Rhapsody in two thousand and one, Our

1472
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:42.119
Exbus in two thousand and one Air Rage.

1473
01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:43.039
I like our X mess.

1474
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:44.880
I watched it a while back and wasn't a big

1475
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:46.480
fan of it. I probably need to revisit it.

1476
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:49.039
I think it's an acquired taste. I think your axmis

1477
01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:52.000
is like if you like, he's like liking sardines on

1478
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:53.199
its first it's.

1479
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:58.000
A label label Ferrara later for I can't talk to me,

1480
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:03.360
a later able Ferrara fil Label Ferrara Ladle Ladel Ferrara

1481
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:08.519
speaking of Body Stanchards, which Abel Ferrara directed. So but yeah,

1482
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:11.400
that he does air Range a Blaze, Gangland, Stranded. He

1483
01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:13.440
does a voice in Gta s and Andreas two thousand

1484
01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:16.159
and four. I remember that up in Harlem, Law and Order,

1485
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:20.639
The Other Guys, which he's the narrator of, Yes, Gears

1486
01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:23.320
of War three thirty Rock, Once upon a Time in Brooklyn,

1487
01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:27.440
Crossed the Line, Chicago, Pde Younger, Unbreakable, Kimmy Schmidt, Blood Runners,

1488
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.280
which was basically Boardwalk Empire with vampires and he was

1489
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:32.719
the head Vampire. Sounds a lot cooler than it was.

1490
01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:34.639
It was not that good, it was not. I remember

1491
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:39.199
Blood Runners, Deadly Class in twenty nineteen, Ugly Dolls, Borderlands three,

1492
01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:41.920
SNL paid A three, and most recently was on Rick

1493
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:45.679
and Morty in twenty twenty three. Oh yeah, So also

1494
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:48.320
on our cast we have mister Gary Busey, who plays

1495
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:51.519
Doc Hawkins's one hundred and eighty four credit on his resume.

1496
01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:55.000
Not surprised again, Nope, gets his start in nineteen sixty seven.

1497
01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:58.079
He played a lot of hippies early on in his career. Imagine,

1498
01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:00.679
yeah does love nds sixty seven?

1499
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:03.039
Do you think he like got like like do you

1500
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:04.800
think he was playing all these hippies? Then one night

1501
01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:06.480
he like fell asleep with chewing gum in his mouth,

1502
01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:07.599
and he had to cut all his hair off, and

1503
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:11.400
somebody went, oh, you're a psychopath. Like once you're hairless,

1504
01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:13.719
you're like a bear. You're way scarier with no hair.

1505
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:16.719
Yeah. So he does the Lovens in sixty seven, follows

1506
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:19.440
up with Wild in the Streets, Dan August, Angela, Hard

1507
01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:22.360
as they Come, The Magnificent, Magnificent seven rides again in

1508
01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:26.159
seventy two, Dirty Little Billy Bonanza, Kung Fu, Last American

1509
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:28.639
Hero in seventy three, Thunderbolt and light Foot in seventy four,

1510
01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:32.280
which is probably like one of his earliest Like Big

1511
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:35.079
Roles follows that up with the Log, goes on to

1512
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:38.360
be in Gunsmoke Barretta The Gumball Rally Star is born

1513
01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:40.960
in seventy six, where he plays Chris Roberson's handler.

1514
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:43.280
Well, I don't, I don't. I don't know much about

1515
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:44.320
him pre eighties.

1516
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:46.920
Yeah, he's actually, he's in a a lot of good stuff.

1517
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:48.719
Early on, does Straight Time in seventy eight, The Buddy

1518
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:52.280
Holly Story in seventy eight. Okay, that one I love. Yeah,

1519
01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:56.239
very impressive, Big Wednesday in seventy eight, Carney in nineteen eighty,

1520
01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:59.760
Fool Around in nineteen eighty, DC Cabin eighty three, The Bear,

1521
01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:03.039
and eighty four Insignificance. Then does Silver Bullet in eighty five,

1522
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:05.679
follows that up with an appearance on The Hitchhiker, then

1523
01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:08.159
does Let's Get Harry in eighty six. Then the same

1524
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:10.840
year he does a little film also future episode I

1525
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:16.199
Have the Tiger in eighty six. That is a motion picture.

1526
01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:18.639
It is a motion picture, indeed, And if you're worried,

1527
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:20.199
they're not gonna use the song I Have the Tiger,

1528
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:23.079
Don't worry, Yeah, don't don't worry at all. Leath a

1529
01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:25.639
Weapon in eighty seven. So he did that immediately after.

1530
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:28.159
And that's the one that really kind of established him

1531
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:30.079
as a as a character actor.

1532
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:32.079
Yeah, in everything well, because then he follows leath a

1533
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:35.119
weapon up with in the same year Bulletproof, butt Horn.

1534
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:38.880
Watch Out but Horn. That Do I ever tell you

1535
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:40.280
how I saw that movie for the first time.

1536
01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:42.480
I just found out recently that Fred Ray was the

1537
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:43.639
one that kind of wrote that movie.

1538
01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:45.760
He developed it, Yeah, and it got taken out from

1539
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.719
under him, and once they boosted the budget, they just

1540
01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:49.679
kind of swapped him out.

1541
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:50.159
Yeah.

1542
01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:53.519
And but I saw that movie back when my TV

1543
01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:56.480
was was the broadcast channel was on all the time.

1544
01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:58.119
It was on one night when I was getting ready

1545
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:01.360
to go to sleep, and so no, now the moment

1546
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:06.760
he said butt Horn, not only did I start watching it, Yeah,

1547
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:10.199
but I text messaged Andrew Shearer, my buddy, and was like,

1548
01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:12.159
because he always was up late and this is probably

1549
01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:14.239
midnight or so, yeah, and I just said I'm watching

1550
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:17.960
this movie called Bulletproof, and he immediately replies, like just

1551
01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:20.760
immediately instantly goes you know, I think they really thought

1552
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:23.199
butt horn was gonna happen, Like everybody was gonna be

1553
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:23.880
saying butt horn.

1554
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:25.319
He says it a lot in that movie.

1555
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:26.039
Yes, he does.

1556
01:08:26.479 --> 01:08:28.520
Bt does. By the way, I know we're we're on

1557
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:30.239
the air typically right now. But I just got an

1558
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:32.079
extra copy of that. Do you want it? Because it's

1559
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:33.960
hard to come by and I found it for cheap

1560
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:36.079
because Shout put it out in a four pack. Yeah,

1561
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:38.800
I'll take it. Okay, that'd be grant yours. Dangerous Life

1562
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:40.880
at eighty eight. Hider in the House in eighty nine.

1563
01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:44.720
Now, whatever you think about Hyder in the House, hum,

1564
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:47.600
that poster is amazing, excelsior.

1565
01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:49.439
This is like the third time we've talked about Hyder

1566
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:50.079
in the House on the.

1567
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:54.159
Poster though, he's just behind a window, all lit with

1568
01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:58.880
all the uced and just looking on freaking terrifying.

1569
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:01.199
Follows that up with the on Empire in eighty nine,

1570
01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:04.479
then Predator Tow in nineteen ninety, point Break in ninety one,

1571
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:06.960
Wild Texas Win in ninety one, The Player in ninety two,

1572
01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:10.520
which I did not remember him in, I mean, how

1573
01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:14.119
could you not? Canvas in ninety two, is under Siege

1574
01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:16.039
in ninety two, The Firm in ninety three. He is

1575
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:16.760
great in the firm.

1576
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:19.359
He's phenomenal in the front of the no he's highly

1577
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:21.319
rememberable and memorable.

1578
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:22.840
In the firm. Rookie of the Year in ninety three,

1579
01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:26.119
which he plays it straight.

1580
01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:28.640
I love those little moments where you see is just

1581
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:31.319
an a normal ass, like family movie, Yes, and he

1582
01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:34.159
nails it. I mean like even Silver Bullet, he's so normal.

1583
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:36.079
Oh yeah, except he's just like a little kookie.

1584
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:36.880
He's a little cookie.

1585
01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:38.640
I love well, he's a little kookie in every role.

1586
01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:41.159
I love the Jackass joke and Silver Bullets my all

1587
01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:43.840
time favorites. Then he does followed Angels in ninety three,

1588
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.119
Breaking Point in ninety four, same year he has survived

1589
01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:48.319
in the game. Follows that up with Chasers, followed by

1590
01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.439
Drop Zone, Man with the Gun, carried Away Black Sheep

1591
01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:53.239
in ninety six, which I completely forgot he was in,

1592
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:56.319
even though he's a huge part. Oh shit, Yeah, follows

1593
01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:59.479
that up with one clean move, then Lost Highway, Steel Sharks,

1594
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:02.800
rough Right, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas Detour Soldier

1595
01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:05.479
in ninety eight. Appears on Walker Texas Ranger, which I've

1596
01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:07.520
got to see because I don't remember him ever. On

1597
01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:08.479
Walker Texas Ranger.

1598
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:11.199
I don't recall that, but I believe it that he

1599
01:10:11.239 --> 01:10:11.840
would pop up.

1600
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:13.399
What if he's not the villain, what if he's just

1601
01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:13.960
like a mayor.

1602
01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:16.960
Honestly, I bet he's not the villainy. They did a

1603
01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:19.880
lot of cool stuff with Walker Texas Ranger on the

1604
01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:21.119
sidekicks Blu Ray.

1605
01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:21.680
Yeah.

1606
01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:25.319
The interview with Aaron Norris, he talks about so much

1607
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:28.720
interesting stuff, including how he never intended to work on

1608
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:29.920
Walker Texas Ranger at all.

1609
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:33.159
Yeah, and took over writing in like the fourths.

1610
01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:35.239
No, it was like it was the second I believe,

1611
01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:36.920
Oh was it. I think it was that early because

1612
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:40.079
it was it was rating really low. Yeah, And they

1613
01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:41.880
had said that they'd give him some obscene I wish

1614
01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:43.239
I could remember the exact numbers, but they said they

1615
01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:45.600
give him some kind of obscene pay bump if he

1616
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:47.720
could get them in the top fifteen or whatever. And

1617
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:48.840
they were in the top like five.

1618
01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:52.199
Because I think he was if I'm not mistaken, he's

1619
01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:55.880
the one that's behind the ancestor stories that popped up

1620
01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:57.800
throughout the series. I think he wrote all this well,

1621
01:10:57.840 --> 01:10:59.079
he was the showrunner. Yeah.

1622
01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:02.159
And what happened was he said that the problem with

1623
01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:05.960
Walker was that it didn't have like initially, it didn't

1624
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.359
really have like an emotional center. It was just about

1625
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:11.479
Chuck Norris. Yeah, and he said that the problem that

1626
01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:13.479
they had and this is what endeared me to Aaron

1627
01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:17.239
Norris so much, Chuck Norris's brother, Yeah, was He said that,

1628
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:19.760
he was like, this is the problem is some people

1629
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:21.960
don't understand what people like about Chuck.

1630
01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:22.279
Yeah.

1631
01:11:22.279 --> 01:11:23.880
They think that what they like about Chuck is he

1632
01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:24.640
can fight or whatever.

1633
01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:24.960
He's like.

1634
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:28.840
No, what they like is seeing Chuck in these situations

1635
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:32.760
where he's because he's he's America, Yeah, and they want

1636
01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:35.520
to see him like right, the wrongs. So he said

1637
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:37.960
that they used to sit down in the writing room

1638
01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:40.720
and he would like pull up a newspaper and be

1639
01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:43.079
like and be like, oh, this is a scary story

1640
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:45.560
about Roofi's. Yeah, and they did a whole episode about Roofees.

1641
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:49.000
Oh my god. They covered everything. They did the AIDS episode,

1642
01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:50.760
they did the one that was the gun Runners, they

1643
01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:53.000
did the UFO episode. At one point, like I watched,

1644
01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:54.800
Rockert took this Ranger a lot growing up.

1645
01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:57.840
According to him, when he took over, that show was

1646
01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:00.520
just riding so high. No one had ever thought it

1647
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:04.079
would be that successful. Yeah, And I really can't recommend

1648
01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:06.960
enough watch that interview with him on the Sidekicks because

1649
01:12:07.239 --> 01:12:09.840
he just goes into this incredible detail and the thing

1650
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:12.680
that I loved about his interviews. Is he didn't sit

1651
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:17.239
there like, yeah, Walker Texas Ranger would have sucked without me. No,

1652
01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:19.359
it was he was more like, you know, so Chuck

1653
01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:21.239
goes and does that. I'm doing my thing and then

1654
01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:22.640
he calls me up. He's like, is there any way

1655
01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:24.600
you could come on this thing? And I'm like sure,

1656
01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:26.520
I've never really done TV, so I just looked at

1657
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:28.920
everything and I was like, oh, no, I know how

1658
01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:30.079
to work with I know how to I know how

1659
01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:32.000
to use Chuck because I love Chuck.

1660
01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:34.920
You know. Well, he actually took over for Nord and

1661
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:36.319
it might have just been that Chuck was too busy,

1662
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:39.680
which is entirely possible. But Delta Force three stars Aaron Norris.

1663
01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:42.239
He was testing the waters on being an actor because

1664
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:44.439
he was already a stuntman. Yeah, so that's kind of

1665
01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:47.000
what pushed him forward. And I mean people were hiring,

1666
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:50.319
especially in the late eighties. I mean you had like

1667
01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:53.359
like Pamela Springsteen and Sleepoy Camp two and stuff. You'd

1668
01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:56.119
get like famous relatives. But I think Aaron Norris was

1669
01:12:56.159 --> 01:12:57.520
the first one to admit he was like, I did

1670
01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:01.439
not have the it like Chuck does, like Carlos because

1671
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:02.520
he always calls him Carlos.

1672
01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:06.039
Yeah, so he does Walkers X Ranger ninety nine, follows

1673
01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:07.960
that up with two Shades of Blue Hot Boys, The

1674
01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.600
Outer Limits, g Men from Hell, Law and Order, King

1675
01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:12.880
of the Hill, Slapshot two, Breaking the Ice is a

1676
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:15.800
voice in GCA Vice City, which I do remember. Then

1677
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.279
follows that up with Frost Portrait of a Vampire in

1678
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:21.880
two thousand and three. Remember that movie Red Cover with

1679
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:26.000
a devil face that had fangs. It was everywhere, okay.

1680
01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:29.119
Then does the Shadowlands site for Sore Eyes The Simpsons

1681
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.479
in two thousand and five, Into the West Ginger dead

1682
01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:35.520
Man in two thousand and five, move on to site

1683
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:38.600
for Sore Eyes or excuse me, Scrubs Doctor Doolittle three,

1684
01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:40.840
which I was really hoping he was the doctor. He's not. No,

1685
01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:41.199
he's not.

1686
01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:45.560
You know, we unfortunately David did. We didn't manage that timeline.

1687
01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:49.039
Do you imagine Garry Fuse just talking to animals.

1688
01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:52.039
I don't have to because I originally was in the

1689
01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:56.920
Barren Steambar universe, and in that version, not only was

1690
01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:00.439
he Doctor Doolittle, he was also the president in the Instay.

1691
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:02.800
Oh jesus, he didn't replace Bill Pullman all the time,

1692
01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:05.520
but a lot, a lot than you might think. Oh gosh,

1693
01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:06.479
what else did he play?

1694
01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:11.479
He was also what's that movie?

1695
01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:15.880
No, Oh, Titanic? He was Leo DiCaprio was the boat.

1696
01:14:19.079 --> 01:14:20.880
Everybody knows Nick Cage was the boat.

1697
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:24.560
So Doctor Doolittle in two thousand and six follows that

1698
01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:27.399
up with Man Eater, followed by Entourage, then Ginger dead

1699
01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:29.199
Man two, Passion of the Cruss in two thousand and eight,

1700
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:30.640
Night Tale.

1701
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:32.439
That one's a lot better than the first one.

1702
01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:35.600
It's no Saturday Night Cleaver where they bring back Hitler,

1703
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:38.399
Jesus and I can't remember who else they summon at

1704
01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:40.960
the very end. Oh yeah, no, I mean they got wild.

1705
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:42.880
That first one is just kind of a slog I was,

1706
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:45.119
but but the other ones are really fun. Night Tail

1707
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:47.079
the series in two thousand and nine, Parana three, Double

1708
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:50.479
D in twenty twelve, Liz Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Lizzy in

1709
01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:52.680
twenty twelve, which is the Christan Stewart Lizzy Bordon movie,

1710
01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:53.399
he plays her dad.

1711
01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:57.560
I need to watch that Bounty Killer. In twenty thirteen,

1712
01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:01.399
Killing Floor, he's two. He's the voice of Santa No shit, Yeah,

1713
01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:04.239
that's hilarious. From dustil Down the series Sharknado four, the

1714
01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:06.760
Fourth Awakens. He's a voice in most of the Hitman games.

1715
01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:09.279
I found out going through his resume, Wow, and most

1716
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:12.119
recently the Gettysburg Address in twenty twenty five.

1717
01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:17.359
He doesn't play Lincoln, though he didn't say he played Lincoln.

1718
01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:19.560
Then I'm staying in this timeline.

1719
01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:23.239
So obviously there's a lot more names in this movie.

1720
01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:25.399
We've also got Charles Dunn, and we got John C. McGinley,

1721
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:28.119
we got F. Murray Abraham. This movie is packed with people.

1722
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:28.600
It's gotten.

1723
01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:31.279
It's the who's who of character actors, some of them

1724
01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:33.640
right at the beginning, some of them like right at

1725
01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:35.720
the height, Yeah, like you.

1726
01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:36.399
Had Bucy F.

1727
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:39.159
Burray Abraham was at the height of his like movies, Yeah,

1728
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:40.800
becoming American movie because.

1729
01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:43.439
I think McGinley does, if I'm not mistaken, he either

1730
01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:46.439
did or does on Deadly Ground right before this or

1731
01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:47.600
did it right after. Yeah.

1732
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:49.520
Well, and then of course he ends up hitting in

1733
01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:50.800
the way that no one ever would have thought in

1734
01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:53.239
a millionaires in Scrubs. Yeah, he becomes like one of

1735
01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:54.800
the best things about Scrubs.

1736
01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:57.880
Although and Bucy were together in Point Break in ninety one.

1737
01:15:58.079 --> 01:15:59.720
Yeah, Noah, baby McGinley.

1738
01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:00.159
I remember that.

1739
01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:03.560
Yeah, because John C McGinley is. I can't say he's underrated.

1740
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.000
I just because he isn't. I just love him. He's

1741
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:08.119
just he's just the best. And in this movie they

1742
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:10.920
use him very very well. Yes, but it is funny

1743
01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:14.439
to like to watch him not be the super funny,

1744
01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:17.600
sarcastic like kind of tough guy, which is after from

1745
01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:18.159
Scrubs on.

1746
01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:20.720
Yeah, that's who he is. Well, office Space he's not.

1747
01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:22.600
He's not antagonizing all on office Space.

1748
01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:25.079
He's just he's just aloof what would you say it

1749
01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:26.560
is you do here? What would you say it is

1750
01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:27.479
you do here?

1751
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:28.439
I love that.

1752
01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:30.600
No, No, John C mcginley's the best. I just like

1753
01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:32.880
I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I just rewatched

1754
01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:35.399
Stan Against Evil. Yeah, and he's the best part of

1755
01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:39.359
that show bar none, because he's so funny. Every line

1756
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:42.960
he says, he delivers it so perfectly and you really

1757
01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:46.520
grow to love him. So For as many shortcomings as

1758
01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:48.600
that show has, the biggest one being when it was canceled,

1759
01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:51.439
honestly because because it ended on such a great cliffhanger

1760
01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:54.920
that for it to never come back really hurts. Yeah,

1761
01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:58.520
but he was just there's a moment in Stand Against

1762
01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:02.399
Evil where he it's to himself that he will be

1763
01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:07.079
sad if someone dies, Like he'll be sad, like that

1764
01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:10.279
he would that he would sooner die than lose someone else,

1765
01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:13.359
because it starts with him losing his wife. Yeah, that moment,

1766
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:15.960
which is like about halfway through the first season, it's

1767
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:18.319
like your eyes can't stop. You're glued to him from

1768
01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:20.920
then on because he's so good. He's so good.

1769
01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:23.760
Oh, he's excellent. So what was your first time watching

1770
01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:24.720
Surviving the Game?

1771
01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:28.119
I wish I could tell you, because this was a

1772
01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:34.279
film that was ubiquitous on USA TNT, TBS when I

1773
01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:38.239
was a kid, playing mostly Saturdays. I would it was

1774
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:40.960
very common on a Saturday or a Sunday when I

1775
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:43.760
had nothing going on. Him, kid, what I I didn't

1776
01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:46.920
have any meetings that day. It was nine, I I

1777
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:50.319
but there were so many weekends that I remember vividly

1778
01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:54.680
managing to catch Surviving the Game and Tremors, Yeah, just

1779
01:17:54.680 --> 01:17:56.920
because they were on TV and those and Surviving the

1780
01:17:56.960 --> 01:18:00.520
Game was one that I saw so many times on TV,

1781
01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:03.439
culminating with seeing it on Monster Vision. And I guess

1782
01:18:03.439 --> 01:18:04.760
it was ninety eight because I just looked it up

1783
01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:07.359
a little bit ago. Seeing it on Monster Vision was

1784
01:18:07.359 --> 01:18:10.680
a huge treat for me because I saw Surviving the

1785
01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:14.880
game over and over on TV. Then you fast forward

1786
01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:17.319
to like ninety nine, I got really into maybe it

1787
01:18:17.359 --> 01:18:19.520
was ninety eight. I got really into Iced T as

1788
01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:22.000
a musician. Actually, I think it was ninety eight ninety

1789
01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:23.880
seven somewhere in there. I got really into his music,

1790
01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:26.680
especially into body Count. But I was also really into

1791
01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:29.960
gangster rap stuff. I had just never heard anybody quite

1792
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:32.840
like him. And you got to remember, like when I was,

1793
01:18:33.680 --> 01:18:36.399
you know, seven eight years old, I had MC hammer

1794
01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:40.359
cassette tapes. Yeah, like we loved Hammer. You love the

1795
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:43.640
Adams Groove brother brother No. I thought that was the

1796
01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:46.640
coolest thing ever. When he was involved was for Adam's family,

1797
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:48.800
So I like, I remember that. But I remember when

1798
01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:50.720
I was listening to Iced T just going like WHOA,

1799
01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:53.439
stuff's blowing my mind because he's such a great writer

1800
01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:57.680
and he's so intelligent, he's so good at expressing things.

1801
01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:01.960
So I remember being I think it was like fourteen

1802
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:05.159
or fifteen when I went and sought out a copy

1803
01:19:05.479 --> 01:19:09.000
just to sit down and watch it straight through, unedited, uncensored,

1804
01:19:09.479 --> 01:19:14.560
and going Damn, this is a really really solid action movie. Yeah,

1805
01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:16.960
it's a good movie and it and at that time especially,

1806
01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:19.960
it was very underrated. I'm pretty certain, and we'll talk

1807
01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:21.560
about it later, but like I'm pretty certain it got

1808
01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:23.560
dumped on cable to try and make some money back

1809
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:25.000
because it wasn't a very big hit.

1810
01:19:25.079 --> 01:19:27.000
You might think that, and I'll give you some details.

1811
01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:29.279
I would love to know that, or you will, because

1812
01:19:29.319 --> 01:19:32.079
a lot of that stuff. It seemed like it was

1813
01:19:32.119 --> 01:19:34.279
on TV all the time because it wasn't huge at

1814
01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:37.079
the box office. Yeah, that wasn't always the case. That

1815
01:19:37.119 --> 01:19:38.760
seemed like I'll give you just a little, a little

1816
01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:39.319
taste right now.

1817
01:19:39.319 --> 01:19:41.239
What would you say if I told you the movie

1818
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:43.399
had made its money back before even a foot of

1819
01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:44.279
film had been shot.

1820
01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:47.680
I believe that international sales yep. Oh, action movies back then.

1821
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:49.800
That was how That was why there were so many. Yeah,

1822
01:19:49.960 --> 01:19:53.399
was that you could literally go to Cohn or the

1823
01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:56.359
Berlin Market and you could be like, I have a poster.

1824
01:19:56.720 --> 01:19:59.439
It has iced tea on it, or it has treat

1825
01:19:59.439 --> 01:19:59.960
Williams on.

1826
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:02.800
Their hower and all these Yeah, I mean they sold

1827
01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:03.880
it off the Castle Lett Well.

1828
01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:05.439
And this one was a bigger example I mean, I'm

1829
01:20:05.439 --> 01:20:07.720
talking like, you know, even you could just in the

1830
01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:09.840
late nineties, you can just have Treat Williams on the

1831
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:10.840
poster and they'd buy it.

1832
01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:13.399
How many how many fake posters did Manaham and Goland

1833
01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:15.760
put together at at Cannon.

1834
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:21.600
They're never happened, They're not fake, they're speculative, speculative.

1835
01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:24.039
Have you seen that seventeen minute video they got released

1836
01:20:24.079 --> 01:20:27.399
a while back, that's I think from eighty seven. That

1837
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:29.920
is a Cannon It's a Cannon film reel of coming

1838
01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:31.239
soon from Cannon, and it's.

1839
01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:33.000
A bunch of stuff that never ever happened. Well, and

1840
01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:36.960
that's not uncommon at all back then. You really could

1841
01:20:37.119 --> 01:20:41.119
because Corman was so good at this, better than anybody else,

1842
01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:43.920
because everybody the method was they would be like I

1843
01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:46.640
went to Cohn and we sold four you know, we

1844
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:49.359
sold on a let's say a small movie. We sold

1845
01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:52.399
a half a million dollars already. Yeah, Like, all we

1846
01:20:52.399 --> 01:20:54.119
have to do is deliver the movie and the money's ours.

1847
01:20:54.680 --> 01:20:56.760
So we're gonna make a million million and a half

1848
01:20:56.880 --> 01:20:59.840
or two million or whatever and will nearly be broken

1849
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:02.920
even by the time it's done. And then all the

1850
01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:06.880
receipts will be a cake. Corman would be like, they

1851
01:21:06.920 --> 01:21:09.720
give us a half a million dollars for these, you know,

1852
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:12.119
for Don the Dragon Wilson movies, So we're gonna make

1853
01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:13.880
them for three hundred thousand dollars and I'll be two

1854
01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:17.159
hundred thousand dollars in profit when the movie's done. That's

1855
01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:20.439
why he was at the top of his game in

1856
01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:23.159
many ways until the day he died. Because all of

1857
01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:26.800
his competitors, including Monacham Golan in Globis, Yeah, they were

1858
01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:29.359
all like, we got to be bigger. We gotta go bigger,

1859
01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:31.920
we gotta go bigger, you know, Dino de Larentist, gotta

1860
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:32.359
be bigger.

1861
01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:33.600
These guys were all obsessed with it.

1862
01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:35.680
And Corman would just be like, I could make a

1863
01:21:35.720 --> 01:21:37.439
movie and have it be one hundred thousand dollars in

1864
01:21:37.479 --> 01:21:41.000
profit before I even license it to showtime. And that's

1865
01:21:41.079 --> 01:21:45.159
why he is Roger Corman and everybody else is a

1866
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:47.079
are great. I mean, like those Delarentis movies are great,

1867
01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:49.760
but they're they're like a nostalgia kick because we remember,

1868
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:51.840
like it's it's one of those things where you look back,

1869
01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:54.079
you go, Man, wasn't it great when when Cannon was

1870
01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:56.119
able to crank those out until they went bankrupt. Man,

1871
01:21:56.199 --> 01:21:59.159
wasn't it great when when New World Pictures after Corman

1872
01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:00.800
sold it, When New World pick would make all these

1873
01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:04.239
wild movies until they went bankrupt because they didn't actually

1874
01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:06.479
do that. Well, there's so many examples like that.

1875
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:09.239
One of my favorite things lately has been anytime Lorenz's

1876
01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:11.159
know de Lorenz has been involved in a movie and

1877
01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:14.319
going into the trivia, there's a list of actors that

1878
01:22:14.359 --> 01:22:16.399
as soon as they heard his name would exit the

1879
01:22:16.439 --> 01:22:17.800
project yep.

1880
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:21.800
Or they would get excited because they knew that that

1881
01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:23.960
idiot would cash a check yeah, anything if he was

1882
01:22:24.039 --> 01:22:25.920
convinced it was good. Yeah, because he paid out the

1883
01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:27.800
ass for Stephen King stuff he didn't even read.

1884
01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:31.119
Yeah, Oh my god. So my first time watching Surviving

1885
01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:34.279
the Game, it had to have been on TNT as

1886
01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:36.520
far as like in the background, like not realizing what

1887
01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:38.319
it was. But it wasn't until I was in my

1888
01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:41.359
seventh grade English class and we were reading Most Dangerous Game.

1889
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:44.720
My teacher, who actually just retired this year, brought up

1890
01:22:44.800 --> 01:22:47.039
Surviving the Game. Now, she did say that it start

1891
01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:49.680
ice Cube. So when I first found the movie, I

1892
01:22:49.840 --> 01:22:50.439
was like.

1893
01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:55.319
Your little Troy Ohio teacher confused ice Cube and iced Tea.

1894
01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:58.960
I'm shocked because I was like, how have I never

1895
01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:01.439
heard about this movie. I can also guarantee one of

1896
01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:03.640
the reasons you confused was because at the time you

1897
01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:06.880
were in school was when ice Cube was in everything everything.

1898
01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:09.199
I mean the Friday movies were out and all all time.

1899
01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:11.800
Uh yeah, yeah, so yeah he was. He was very

1900
01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:13.600
much a name in movies.

1901
01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:15.199
So she had told me. She told the class about

1902
01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:17.039
surviving the game and like gave us like a synopsis

1903
01:23:17.039 --> 01:23:19.359
of like like described the scene of like the pig's

1904
01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:21.760
head and like them showing him out the door and everything,

1905
01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:23.600
and I was like, holy shit, Like I gotta see

1906
01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:26.840
this movie. So immediately after I got out of school,

1907
01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:29.079
this is when I was walking to my parents' workplace,

1908
01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:31.960
I walked over to the library, found a copy of it,

1909
01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:34.720
took it home, watched it that night. Realized I had

1910
01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:36.319
seen bits and pieces of it growing up, and I

1911
01:23:36.359 --> 01:23:38.159
was like, oh shit, this is that movie because yeah,

1912
01:23:38.199 --> 01:23:39.960
it was usually around the same time as Tremors and

1913
01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:43.039
stuff being on, so I had never seen it and

1914
01:23:43.079 --> 01:23:44.760
had never heard of it. Watched it that night and

1915
01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:47.399
was just like, this is really good. And then I

1916
01:23:47.439 --> 01:23:49.279
like proceeded to watch it, I think like three times

1917
01:23:49.319 --> 01:23:50.600
while I had it loaded.

1918
01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:54.119
Out, so funny thing. So I was like, Wow, this

1919
01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:58.680
movie's awesome. Then later found out that Ernest Dickerson had

1920
01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:02.079
directed another film that I had been obsessed with since

1921
01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:04.840
I was really young. I had it's probably still in

1922
01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:06.720
my closet somewhere or one of my closets. I had

1923
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:09.520
a VHS of Demon Knight, oh yeah, and that was

1924
01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:11.720
a favorite of my sister's because she loved Billy's Ain

1925
01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:15.720
so and then I inherited a lot of her tapes

1926
01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:17.760
because she'd become too cool or something. And then it's

1927
01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:19.840
mine now because she was like nine years older than me,

1928
01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:21.760
so she's a teenager. She'd be like, yeah, you can

1929
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:25.000
have my stupid Demon Night tape. You have my stupid

1930
01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:27.319
parts one through five nightmre on Elm Street tapes.

1931
01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:29.279
I don't need those anywhere, And I'm like, yeah, yeah,

1932
01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:30.600
give them here. Oh well.

1933
01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:32.920
She also gave me all our ral steinbooks, like The

1934
01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:36.399
Fear Street and earlier not the Goosebump stuff. Yeah, so

1935
01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:39.359
I was like, yeah, So when I found out he

1936
01:24:39.399 --> 01:24:41.840
had made Demon Night, that was another movie that I

1937
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:45.079
didn't know other people appreciated it until it came out

1938
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:48.039
on DVD away later, because I just always had a

1939
01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:48.600
tape around.

1940
01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:50.800
Yeah, but I didn't know if it was just kind

1941
01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:52.720
of a movie I love. I had not caught Demon

1942
01:24:52.760 --> 01:24:55.279
Knight like I would usually catch it right around the

1943
01:24:55.279 --> 01:24:57.760
same part, which was usually when he was tormenting Dick

1944
01:24:57.760 --> 01:24:59.680
Miller's character. I would usually catch it from there, and

1945
01:24:59.680 --> 01:25:01.279
then why the rest. I remember the first time I

1946
01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:02.920
actually was like, oh my god, Demon Night's gonna be on.

1947
01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:04.640
I'm gonna watch it from start to finish on TV.

1948
01:25:05.079 --> 01:25:05.920
I was so amped.

1949
01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:08.880
Well, see you, this is a reminder that you're a baby,

1950
01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:11.840
because I remember when they started showing it on regular TV. Yeah,

1951
01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:13.600
but I never really I never really caught it on

1952
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:16.680
Sci Fi Channel or whatever. Yeah, because by then I

1953
01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:18.239
was I was up there and I was, you know,

1954
01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:19.159
I was buying you.

1955
01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:20.159
You could watch it uncut?

1956
01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:22.800
Yeah, Well, I and I'd seen it a ton becaueah,

1957
01:25:22.880 --> 01:25:25.720
I had. We had the tape, man, I remember so clearly,

1958
01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:27.039
because I would dig it out every now and then

1959
01:25:27.079 --> 01:25:28.960
and be like, what's Demon Night again.

1960
01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:30.760
First time I ever saw it uncut was because my

1961
01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:33.520
uncle had burned me copies of Bordello and Demon Night

1962
01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:35.640
because there was a time where those DVDs were actually

1963
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:37.439
kind of hard to find. Yeah, and he had burned

1964
01:25:37.479 --> 01:25:38.960
them for me, and that's how I saw him finally

1965
01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:40.760
uncut and then never stopped watching them.

1966
01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:43.680
Obviously, I would say clearly, I'll never forget that Halloween

1967
01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:46.359
at Midnight movie at my house where I was like,

1968
01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:48.880
how about Demon Night? Yeah, freaking one of the best

1969
01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:50.079
calls ever made.

1970
01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:53.119
It was a good one. A midnight movie. So Surviving

1971
01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:56.359
the Game opens, we are in a back alley and Seattle, Washington,

1972
01:25:56.439 --> 01:25:58.439
and we're seeing a guy take out some trash. He's

1973
01:25:58.439 --> 01:26:01.199
throwing throwing it away, and we the ice iced Tea

1974
01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:03.079
as Jack Mason come out from behind and he starts

1975
01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:05.279
going through the trash. We see that he's also feeding

1976
01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:06.720
a dog that he has with them that he calls

1977
01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:08.760
mego I believe oh man, it was. It was.

1978
01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:11.319
It was a weirder name than that. It was like, yeah,

1979
01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:14.079
the name is escaping me right now. But it was

1980
01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:16.199
kind an odd name. And I want to mention this

1981
01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:19.960
iced Tea. A lot of people hated on this movie

1982
01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:22.199
because they gave ice Ta dreads. I don't know if

1983
01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:25.840
you about that because they hated it because they they

1984
01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:29.800
he had been the ponytail guy for foreverever.

1985
01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:30.600
Yeah.

1986
01:26:30.760 --> 01:26:34.600
So I remember even Andy copp my like my movie

1987
01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:37.840
mentor growing up, he just he was like, I like that,

1988
01:26:37.920 --> 01:26:41.119
but like those those dreadlocks, like and in the IMDb

1989
01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:43.760
message boards used to be ripping about the dreadlock. They

1990
01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:46.640
just hated that elean imagine And it was funny because

1991
01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:47.960
some people were just like, he looks lame in them,

1992
01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:49.279
and some people were like, what are they trying to

1993
01:26:49.279 --> 01:26:51.520
make him look more black? Yeah, like they were saying

1994
01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:53.239
that it was it was an offensive thing to give

1995
01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:56.000
him like a stereotypical homeless guy look.

1996
01:26:56.079 --> 01:26:58.720
Probably also the same people that said Mark for Death

1997
01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:00.600
with Stig All was two racism a movie because of

1998
01:27:00.640 --> 01:27:02.239
the way that they portrayed the villain in that.

1999
01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:06.279
Oh well, thank goodness, we rectified that with Oh the

2000
01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:08.720
way you see does Native Americans in this very movie.

2001
01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:09.600
Oh my god.

2002
01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:14.439
So so yeah, he's feeding the dog and all while

2003
01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:17.119
this is intercutting with these guys, these hunters in the forest,

2004
01:27:17.199 --> 01:27:18.760
and we see that a guy is running from them.

2005
01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:20.760
They are hunting this guy down in the forest. This

2006
01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:23.199
is all intercut with ice cube or ice cube wow

2007
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:26.000
iced tea chasing after the dog, and the dog unfortunately

2008
01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:28.039
gets hit by a car right at the same time

2009
01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:29.640
that the guy that they're hunting in the forest gets

2010
01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:32.079
hit through the heart with an arrow through a crossbow. Yeah.

2011
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:35.880
Yeah, it's the juxtaposition is really cool because they fake

2012
01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:38.319
you out and make you think these guys are hunting

2013
01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:38.720
a deer.

2014
01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:39.039
Yeah.

2015
01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:41.159
They even do a really cool shot where you just

2016
01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:43.199
see the shadow of his head and it really looks

2017
01:27:43.239 --> 01:27:45.079
like because you were watching the deer. Yeah, it really

2018
01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:46.880
looks like it's the shadow of the deer.

2019
01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:48.920
Well. I also love you do not see the hunters

2020
01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:50.359
at all. You don't see their faces, you don't see

2021
01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:52.199
who they are. You see their weapons, and you see

2022
01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:53.199
them in a cluster.

2023
01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:55.680
And their outfits and their outfits which I'm I'm pretty

2024
01:27:55.720 --> 01:27:59.079
positive that those were all body doubles. Yeah, of the

2025
01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:02.319
characters and was and because why would you spend the

2026
01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:04.840
money putting those guys in those costumes and hide their faces,

2027
01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:07.199
especially when they're all expensive anyway, But the but it

2028
01:28:07.239 --> 01:28:12.439
also establishes that the hunting group isn't just these people necessarily.

2029
01:28:12.439 --> 01:28:14.199
There are people who go on these hunts different times

2030
01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:16.800
because there was a slightly bigger crew, and the way

2031
01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:19.399
they establish him getting get that they're hunting the guy

2032
01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:21.279
is the dog gets hit and then we just see

2033
01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:23.239
this guy who we noticed he was running away. Yeah,

2034
01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:24.960
and he just the arrow pops out of his chest

2035
01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:25.439
and then.

2036
01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:30.039
Just to survive the game. That's so memorable. Yeah, well,

2037
01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:32.039
it's like it's it's exactly like another one that came

2038
01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:34.439
out a previous year, Hard Target. Heard Target does the

2039
01:28:34.439 --> 01:28:37.279
same thing that arrow flies in that guy Heard Target.

2040
01:28:38.279 --> 01:28:41.720
Except your your you just if you didn't know that

2041
01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:43.880
this is a most dangerous game concept, and a lot

2042
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:47.439
of people probably didn't because we're talking Internet's barely a

2043
01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:50.800
thing when this movie's coming out. That's a shock. You say,

2044
01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:53.159
guy's clearly hunting and then all of a sudden you

2045
01:28:53.239 --> 01:28:55.399
notice that this that they're hunting this guy and then

2046
01:28:55.439 --> 01:28:57.039
he gets killed gruesomely.

2047
01:28:57.119 --> 01:28:57.399
Yeah.

2048
01:28:57.920 --> 01:28:59.520
Yeah, it's a great moment.

2049
01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:03.199
Definitely remember that. So by this point now Mason is

2050
01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:06.159
seen burying the dog along with his fellow buddy Hank,

2051
01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:07.720
who is one of the homeless guys that he hangs

2052
01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:09.479
out with or in this little field or this in

2053
01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:12.039
this little lot that they all live in, and we

2054
01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:13.920
see that he's burying the dog and actually puts up

2055
01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:14.920
like a little marker as well.

2056
01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:17.720
Yeah, and and Hank is much older than him. Yes,

2057
01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:19.239
he's wearing I think I think it was like a

2058
01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:20.560
Korea War.

2059
01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:21.319
Veteran, I believe so.

2060
01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:24.039
Yeah, so he's a lot older and kind of feeding

2061
01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:27.920
into the I don't want to say trope, because it's

2062
01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:31.000
not a trope, the reality that many homeless people in

2063
01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:34.000
America are veterans. And if you want to know how

2064
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:37.199
that happens, just watch The War at Home, which which

2065
01:29:37.239 --> 01:29:41.239
is a painful movie because you don't realize when you're

2066
01:29:41.239 --> 01:29:43.640
watching it until the very end that it's really just

2067
01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:47.680
the story of how vets end up displaced. Yeah, and

2068
01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:52.920
it's it's important because especially because of Vietnam, where so

2069
01:29:53.079 --> 01:29:57.640
many people were conscripted, were drafted, so many people were drafted,

2070
01:29:57.640 --> 01:29:59.399
You had so many people come home who were in

2071
01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:02.199
no way prepared for what they would have to.

2072
01:30:02.159 --> 01:30:04.199
Do able to resume their lives. Well, yeah, and they

2073
01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:05.399
were told like, all right, it's overcome.

2074
01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:09.399
And and you know that's why Rambo, although Rambo that

2075
01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:11.720
example is more that he wanted to be a soldier,

2076
01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:15.279
but it's still it's still hard. But those people that

2077
01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:18.279
like they just joined up because they were either afraid

2078
01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:20.439
they were already gonna get drafted, or they did get drafted.

2079
01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:24.960
They came home to a world where people were just like, well,

2080
01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:26.359
not up, dude, you got to get a job now,

2081
01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:27.680
like the economy's booming, not.

2082
01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:29.479
Taking into account what they have been through and what

2083
01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:30.319
they were still harbor.

2084
01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:33.560
They can't even imagine. You know, you know, you're talking

2085
01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:36.039
to your boss about, like, you know, your headaches all

2086
01:30:36.039 --> 01:30:38.479
the time, and he's like, he's like, this is a bank,

2087
01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:40.359
please show up on time.

2088
01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:40.640
Yeah.

2089
01:30:41.359 --> 01:30:43.159
And from their perspective, like I'm not asking for the world,

2090
01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:44.680
come here nine to five, five days a week.

2091
01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:45.840
Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

2092
01:30:46.039 --> 01:30:48.359
But in reality, it's like they're fighting. They never get

2093
01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:51.359
to stop fighting the battle. And I'm not like, I'm

2094
01:30:51.399 --> 01:30:53.319
not trying to act like I'm some kind of incredible

2095
01:30:53.359 --> 01:30:57.560
like veterans rights person. But I love that they they

2096
01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:00.239
made sure to do that to have that or that

2097
01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:02.960
had that, and and and he has like these little

2098
01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:05.840
moments where he starts talking a little bit about like

2099
01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:08.159
what he did in Korea and stuff. But uh, one

2100
01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:10.359
of my favorite things is when he's burying the dog.

2101
01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:12.680
He he mentions like.

2102
01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:13.720
Do you have to dig so deep?

2103
01:31:13.720 --> 01:31:16.000
Because he's been digging for a really long time, and

2104
01:31:16.039 --> 01:31:17.600
he just says, man, I just hope when I'm gone,

2105
01:31:17.680 --> 01:31:19.279
somebody digs a hole this deep from me.

2106
01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:21.239
And it really.

2107
01:31:22.439 --> 01:31:27.359
It's important because the juxtaposition is that Mason is a

2108
01:31:27.399 --> 01:31:31.399
stray dog. Yeah, Like that's why Mason that like when

2109
01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:34.760
when the taxiicab guy hits the dog, he's he's like,

2110
01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:36.319
is this your dog? He's like, it's friend of mine,

2111
01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:38.600
because it's like because it's like, he's not my dog,

2112
01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:41.960
he's nobody's dog, just like I'm nobody's friend, I'm nobody's father,

2113
01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:42.920
I'm nobody's husband.

2114
01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:45.159
Well, and there's the whole confrontation with the taxi driver too,

2115
01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:47.199
where we see that Mason really just doesn't care like

2116
01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:49.039
the taxi drivers like wailing on the guy. Well.

2117
01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:50.840
That's the interesting thing is that first when he swings,

2118
01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:53.039
Mason like pushes his arm away and like ducks. So

2119
01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:55.279
you can tell like, oh, this guy he's he's got

2120
01:31:55.319 --> 01:31:57.880
some like he's got some toughness. Yeah, you know, he's

2121
01:31:57.880 --> 01:31:59.800
been he's lived on the streets or whatever, and he's

2122
01:31:59.800 --> 01:32:01.640
and before that he lived in the ghetto. And he

2123
01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:03.760
probably to fight, but once the guy hits him, he

2124
01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:04.319
just doesn't care.

2125
01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:05.760
He's done. Yeah, he's just.

2126
01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:09.560
Finished because to him, he's like because for his perspective,

2127
01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:11.119
the guy's like, what about my money? Because he lost

2128
01:32:11.119 --> 01:32:13.359
a fifteen dollars fare because he had to hit his

2129
01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:13.800
brakes hard.

2130
01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:17.359
And Ernest Dickerson's mother, Yeah, and I love the way

2131
01:32:17.399 --> 01:32:19.520
she's just like what happened because she gets out of

2132
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:21.119
the car and her nose is bleeding she bumped the

2133
01:32:21.159 --> 01:32:23.079
seat and she's wearing like a really nice suit.

2134
01:32:23.239 --> 01:32:25.039
So it's clear she's not going to pay that fair

2135
01:32:25.079 --> 01:32:27.479
because she's offended by the fact that this guy hit

2136
01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:29.359
a dog that was chasing a cat across the street.

2137
01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:30.760
But that that.

2138
01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:32.520
Moment always stuck with me of when he punches him,

2139
01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:35.279
he just says, you finished, because he's like he's literally like, look,

2140
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:38.840
I know what you want. You want you want to

2141
01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:40.840
pay back or whatever. So he's like, well, I ain't

2142
01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:43.680
got no money, so do I guess?

2143
01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:43.880
You know?

2144
01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:45.760
Like he's just like, are you done punching me? Do

2145
01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:48.000
you beat me up some more so you'll feel all right? Yeah,

2146
01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:50.199
because I just want to pick up this dog and

2147
01:32:50.199 --> 01:32:54.239
bury him. It's a great moment, and because this movie

2148
01:32:54.359 --> 01:32:58.119
I love so much, but it is not the it's

2149
01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:01.159
cheesy at times. Oh yeah, and this scene where, which

2150
01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:03.039
is coming up really soon, where he's just like, you

2151
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:06.199
can't blame yourself forever. He literally just expositions the hell

2152
01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:09.199
out of him, and the music cues even kind of

2153
01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:10.159
make it sound like they know.

2154
01:33:10.479 --> 01:33:14.000
In the very beginning, the music cues are very cheesy

2155
01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:16.159
and they get a lot more serious. I feel like

2156
01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:17.319
as the movie goes well, when.

2157
01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:20.960
He's in the city, they're all about this the synthesizer

2158
01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:25.039
kind of jazz horn, which I do think works most

2159
01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:28.159
of the time. Yeah, but yeah, there are those moments.

2160
01:33:28.159 --> 01:33:30.880
So after he buries the dog, they're out in the

2161
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:34.159
rain and they're trying to get some food. They're digging

2162
01:33:34.199 --> 01:33:35.760
in the garbage and one of the first things we

2163
01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:37.920
see of Icedy's characters him eating out of the track. Yeah,

2164
01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:40.319
So they're digging through the garbage, and at first it

2165
01:33:40.399 --> 01:33:42.199
seems I mean, the pouring rain makes it kind of

2166
01:33:42.439 --> 01:33:45.279
sad and stressful. Yeah, but then what makes it worse

2167
01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:47.279
is they're just kind of talking, kind of friendly.

2168
01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:49.399
You know. He's like when we were in Japan and

2169
01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:50.439
we had this and this and this.

2170
01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:52.720
He's saying all this stuff, and then all of a sudden,

2171
01:33:52.720 --> 01:33:54.640
it just he just kind of Hank just kind of

2172
01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:57.720
his voice drops and he goes, I'm hungry, God damn it. Yeah,

2173
01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:00.279
and then Iced tease, the character literally says like, man,

2174
01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:02.439
we gotta eat soon. We gotta eat soon, man, And

2175
01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:06.119
you're like, these guys are starving. Yeah, they're starving. But

2176
01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:09.079
then Ice finds something other than food in.

2177
01:34:09.039 --> 01:34:11.279
The trash can, finds a gun in the trash can, pistol.

2178
01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:13.600
He can't he can't figure out what what the name is.

2179
01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:15.399
He's even asking a Hank about it. But the number

2180
01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:17.119
one thing that Hank tells him as he's looking at

2181
01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:19.359
the gun always checked the barrel. Yeah, He's like, what

2182
01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:19.840
are you doing.

2183
01:34:19.920 --> 01:34:22.600
You gotta check the barrel otherwise blow up in your

2184
01:34:22.600 --> 01:34:24.760
hand when you shoot it. And he's like put that

2185
01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:26.800
thing away. Like he's like, it's a gun man. He's like,

2186
01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:28.600
I know, what's a gun? They kill people. He's like,

2187
01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:31.600
I get twenty bucks from this thing with it without bullets. Yeah,

2188
01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:35.279
it's a it's a really awesome moment. Also, as a

2189
01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:38.159
as a you know, mild gun enthusiast, I would say,

2190
01:34:38.319 --> 01:34:40.159
like he's like, it's a takers.

2191
01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:42.039
It was a taker ren. Yeah, So it was also

2192
01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:44.119
funny that he was like he was he almost knew

2193
01:34:44.119 --> 01:34:46.359
what it was. So he decides that they're going to

2194
01:34:46.399 --> 01:34:49.439
break into a meat housing place. They go and steal

2195
01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:51.960
what is it? Is it like a half a cow? Yeah,

2196
01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:53.600
it's like a side of beef. Yeah, it's a side

2197
01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:55.880
of beef. And right as they're doing this, Hank gets

2198
01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:58.239
caught by a guard. Yeah, the guard starts wailing on Hank.

2199
01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:00.640
So Ice drops the meat the fence.

2200
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:03.640
Well real quick though. The reason they're able to steal

2201
01:35:03.680 --> 01:35:07.319
the beef is because there's a mean dog and Ice

2202
01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:09.600
is like friend of mine, you know, like and and

2203
01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:11.159
the dog it's like and that's one of the things

2204
01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:13.680
I love is it's like he just dogs get him

2205
01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:16.720
and he gets them, you know. So he's walking out

2206
01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:19.039
with the side of beef and he's just like like

2207
01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:20.439
kind of giving the dog a little bit and like

2208
01:35:20.439 --> 01:35:22.439
petting it as they're walking up. But yeah, this so

2209
01:35:22.479 --> 01:35:25.760
this this security guard cop it's not quite clear security guard,

2210
01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:29.319
I think. So starts beating on on Hank and he

2211
01:35:29.359 --> 01:35:30.960
basically says like, look, we'll give it back and He's like,

2212
01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:34.439
it's already been contaminated with your filth, which which I

2213
01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:37.319
thought was a really great Like they're trying to show

2214
01:35:37.319 --> 01:35:41.279
how hostile life can be to the homeless. Now, granted

2215
01:35:41.279 --> 01:35:43.479
they are stealing, Yeah, they are stealing. Yeah, but they've

2216
01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:45.640
established they're extremely desperate.

2217
01:35:45.319 --> 01:35:46.920
And this cop is kind of looking for an excuse

2218
01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:47.920
now to beat them up. Yeah.

2219
01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:49.840
Well apparently they've done this before because he says, like,

2220
01:35:49.880 --> 01:35:52.119
so you're the ones who've been stealing the meat or whatever,

2221
01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:55.439
and this cop is or this security guards clearly like

2222
01:35:56.119 --> 01:35:59.000
amped up like a motherfucker. He starts wailing on Hank

2223
01:35:59.079 --> 01:36:00.800
and and right before he does, Hank even says when

2224
01:36:00.800 --> 01:36:02.159
he sees how the side of beat he says, oh, no,

2225
01:36:02.239 --> 01:36:02.880
we got enough.

2226
01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:03.520
For a lot of folks.

2227
01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:05.359
Yeah, they're not even going to keep it for themselves,

2228
01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:08.760
they're gonna share it. So now he's wailing on Hank,

2229
01:36:08.840 --> 01:36:11.359
Ice comes up to fight him. Yep, tries to pull

2230
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:13.840
the gun to I guess scare it.

2231
01:36:14.119 --> 01:36:16.720
Yeah, like I would say, he's trying to scare him,

2232
01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:19.039
but then that completely backfires because he gets the gun

2233
01:36:19.119 --> 01:36:20.760
knocked out of his hand. He picks the gun up

2234
01:36:20.760 --> 01:36:22.840
and the guard's literally about ready to blow his head off,

2235
01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:23.800
even pulls the trigger.

2236
01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:25.760
He says, somebody's going to die to night. Yeah, I'm

2237
01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:28.640
gonna kill somebody. And he pulls the trigger and it clicks,

2238
01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:31.439
there's no bullets. Ice kicks him in the nuts, takes

2239
01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:34.520
his night stick and goes on a very iced tea

2240
01:36:35.239 --> 01:36:36.520
improvised thing.

2241
01:36:36.520 --> 01:36:39.319
Very reminiscent to Doyle in Dutch. But you just start

2242
01:36:39.359 --> 01:36:40.920
saying like, how about how about some I go to that?

2243
01:36:41.119 --> 01:36:42.920
How about we all die tonight? You think about that?

2244
01:36:42.920 --> 01:36:44.039
And he says like, how about I stick this up

2245
01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:45.600
your ass, make a copsicle out of you?

2246
01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:46.600
Yeah, copsicle.

2247
01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:49.319
I love that line. But one of the things that

2248
01:36:49.399 --> 01:36:51.840
happens as this is going on is we see that

2249
01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:53.800
guy who was watching him. Early we may not have

2250
01:36:53.800 --> 01:36:56.079
mentioned that yet, there was a guy kind of watching him. Yes,

2251
01:36:56.159 --> 01:36:57.960
this guy, this guy you kind of see a silhouette

2252
01:36:57.960 --> 01:36:58.800
of like a heavy set black guy.

2253
01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:00.399
Yeah, we don't even we don't who know who he

2254
01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:02.720
is yet. The next scene, but we see him kind

2255
01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:05.039
of watching on with what's happening. And after they've beaten

2256
01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:06.920
up the security guard and they're leaving, he just drives off,

2257
01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:09.960
drives off. So the next day or that that same night,

2258
01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:12.399
they're cooking the beef. Everybody's grateful for it.

2259
01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:14.359
And there's a whole bunch of homeless people and it's

2260
01:37:14.359 --> 01:37:17.880
it's families and stuff like that, and and they're cooking

2261
01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:20.920
it on a shopping cart turned on its side, filled

2262
01:37:20.920 --> 01:37:22.920
with fire with wood and they've set it on fire.

2263
01:37:23.039 --> 01:37:24.439
And the guy even asked, is you need help with

2264
01:37:24.479 --> 01:37:26.560
the fire, and he's like no. Man walks away, and

2265
01:37:26.600 --> 01:37:28.720
the guys like did we say something wrong? And Hank's like, no,

2266
01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:31.479
just leave him, there's nothing to do with you. Yeah.

2267
01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:33.920
So then the next day we wake up with ice

2268
01:37:34.079 --> 01:37:36.560
and he looks over at Hank. Hank's not moving.

2269
01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:39.920
No, Hank died peacefully in his sleep. And the way

2270
01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:41.880
he reacts to it too, he just goes Hank man

2271
01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:44.239
And when he doesn't react, he doesn't even shake him,

2272
01:37:44.239 --> 01:37:45.079
he just texts his pulse.

2273
01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:48.000
Yeah. And then he's like, ah, shit, man, damn it, Hank.

2274
01:37:48.520 --> 01:37:49.960
So then he buries Hank next to the dog.

2275
01:37:50.039 --> 01:37:52.119
And it's an incredible shot. We get this like crane

2276
01:37:52.199 --> 01:37:54.119
pull up and you see the little grave next to

2277
01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:54.800
a bigger grave.

2278
01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:58.720
So he's buried the two bodies. Now he's walking past

2279
01:37:59.039 --> 01:38:02.079
the character that we saw previously, which is Walter Cole,

2280
01:38:02.119 --> 01:38:04.279
who is a soup kitchen worker, and he even tells us,

2281
01:38:04.279 --> 01:38:05.840
you know, don't you want a free meal? And Ice goes,

2282
01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:06.520
there's no such thing.

2283
01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:08.600
Oh, he says, don't you want to free lunch? And

2284
01:38:08.640 --> 01:38:11.039
he just under his mouth says, no such thing. That

2285
01:38:11.199 --> 01:38:13.479
was a line I loved even as a kid, because

2286
01:38:13.479 --> 01:38:16.840
my mom, maybe it was her mom, there was somebody

2287
01:38:16.840 --> 01:38:19.000
in my family who would always say, there's no such

2288
01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:20.680
thing as a free lunch. There's no such thing as

2289
01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:22.239
a free lunch. So I love that don't you want

2290
01:38:22.239 --> 01:38:22.680
a free lunch?

2291
01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:23.399
No such thing?

2292
01:38:23.439 --> 01:38:25.880
Because he's there handing out sack lunches to homeless and

2293
01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:28.039
and he's wearing a shirt that says Seventh Street Mission.

2294
01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:31.399
Yeah, seventh Street mension. So he starts observing him, and

2295
01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:33.560
he's watching him walk across the street and finally sees

2296
01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:35.239
that he's about to have his life taking because he's

2297
01:38:35.239 --> 01:38:37.159
standing right in front of the semi that's coming right out.

2298
01:38:37.239 --> 01:38:40.319
He's not even standing, he's waiting, waiting, watching, He's watching

2299
01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:42.199
the semi come up, and right when it's getting close enough,

2300
01:38:42.199 --> 01:38:44.000
he just stands right in front of it. He's like

2301
01:38:44.119 --> 01:38:46.880
really trying to kill him. Oh yeah, so luckily, I

2302
01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:50.640
guess how you look at Cole tackles him from there

2303
01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:53.920
and and Ice immediately Mason is just livid with it.

2304
01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:54.439
Yeah.

2305
01:38:54.840 --> 01:38:56.479
He's just telling him like, you know, what are you doing?

2306
01:38:56.520 --> 01:38:58.399
He's like, do you really want to die? He's like, yeah,

2307
01:38:58.520 --> 01:39:00.479
I do. He's like, I find and he gives this

2308
01:39:00.520 --> 01:39:02.239
whole thing about like you have nobody that cares about

2309
01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:03.920
you want I find that hard to believe. And he's like,

2310
01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:06.479
he says, like I've had hard times. Another great line.

2311
01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:08.720
He says, I've had hard times, says what your chacuzzie die?

2312
01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:12.920
So good, I've had hard times to what your chacuzie broke.

2313
01:39:13.079 --> 01:39:15.560
So he basically tells him, you know, you've got to

2314
01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:17.720
be the one that makes your life better. And you know,

2315
01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:20.039
all this gives and gives him, gives him some words,

2316
01:39:20.079 --> 01:39:22.039
and at the very end, Ice is walking away because

2317
01:39:22.039 --> 01:39:23.720
he's like, you know what, I got a job where

2318
01:39:23.720 --> 01:39:24.800
you He's like, I'm not interested.

2319
01:39:24.840 --> 01:39:27.399
Would you would you take a job a great opportunity

2320
01:39:27.439 --> 01:39:28.520
if somebody would give it to you.

2321
01:39:28.640 --> 01:39:30.960
Yeah, And so he's like I'm not interested, walks away

2322
01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:32.600
and he's like well, wait, what's the job. Yeah.

2323
01:39:32.640 --> 01:39:34.399
He stops after a few steps and just says, what

2324
01:39:34.479 --> 01:39:35.720
kind of job are we talking about?

2325
01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:38.319
So then he gives him a card for Thomas Burns,

2326
01:39:38.359 --> 01:39:40.720
who is the owner of Hell's Canyon Outfitters, and tells

2327
01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:42.720
him to go meet him and see if he's good

2328
01:39:42.720 --> 01:39:44.960
for the job. Yes, the interview for it. So we

2329
01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:47.439
cut over to this little office spit or not office space,

2330
01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:49.039
like a house that has an office in it.

2331
01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:52.680
But what's business business business? Yeah, it's it's just that

2332
01:39:52.760 --> 01:39:56.000
it's so ornately decorated. Yeah, it looks like a home.

2333
01:39:56.039 --> 01:39:57.399
It's it's super fancy.

2334
01:39:57.520 --> 01:39:57.800
Yeah.

2335
01:39:57.880 --> 01:40:00.720
And he walks in and sees Rutger Howerd who is groomed,

2336
01:40:01.119 --> 01:40:04.600
his hair is quaffed, and he's literally clipping his fingernails

2337
01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:06.039
and like checking them yep.

2338
01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:08.479
As he's talking to him, and he sees that Mason

2339
01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:10.159
is struggling with a cigarette. So we asked him, you know,

2340
01:40:10.159 --> 01:40:13.159
how how often do you spoke and or how you

2341
01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:14.600
have a day? And he's like as many as I

2342
01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:17.000
can get. And so he's just like, well, you know,

2343
01:40:17.159 --> 01:40:18.640
I don't think you're gonna be fit for the job,

2344
01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:20.319
because you know, it requires a lot of running and

2345
01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:23.239
you probably can't deal with it. Durance, Yeah, you need endurance.

2346
01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:25.159
So then Ice sees that he has a treadmill and

2347
01:40:25.239 --> 01:40:26.880
he goes, wait, put me on that run thing. I

2348
01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:27.760
bet I can show you.

2349
01:40:28.119 --> 01:40:29.399
Yeah, He's like, put me on that running thing. Man,

2350
01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:31.079
see how fast I run? So he puts him on

2351
01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:33.159
the thing going full speed. He says, do that for

2352
01:40:33.159 --> 01:40:35.600
thirty minutes on could be twenty bucks and another I

2353
01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:38.079
have so many moments I love in this movie. Yeah,

2354
01:40:38.119 --> 01:40:41.560
of lines, and I says, for twenty bucks, I'll run

2355
01:40:41.560 --> 01:40:42.439
to fucking Alaska.

2356
01:40:42.760 --> 01:40:45.479
Yes. So he ends up making the goal, and that's

2357
01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:47.840
when Mason tells him that you know he's he might

2358
01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:49.319
be fit for the job, but he's not sure yet.

2359
01:40:49.359 --> 01:40:51.000
Where can you reach him at? He gives him a

2360
01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:52.920
matchbook for a hotel, and we see Ice go to

2361
01:40:52.920 --> 01:40:55.600
that hotel tell in town, and he gets his bottle

2362
01:40:55.640 --> 01:40:58.159
of wine, he gets a sandwich, and he also gets

2363
01:40:58.159 --> 01:40:59.880
some shaving stuff or.

2364
01:40:59.520 --> 01:41:02.239
Gets razor blades, and that's a moment that they didn't

2365
01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:04.199
play it as a super fake out, but there is

2366
01:41:04.199 --> 01:41:06.359
a moment where you wonder if he's gonna split his wrist,

2367
01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:09.520
and then we realize he's just cutting his hair. He's

2368
01:41:09.560 --> 01:41:11.840
cutting his dreads short because they were well passed almost

2369
01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:14.199
to his elbows, so he's cutting him up to about

2370
01:41:14.199 --> 01:41:14.600
his chin.

2371
01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:16.760
And this is also where we get a first shot

2372
01:41:16.840 --> 01:41:19.000
of ICE's body and we see that he has a

2373
01:41:19.159 --> 01:41:20.439
very bad set of burns on.

2374
01:41:20.439 --> 01:41:23.399
The back and massive, massive amount of burn scars on

2375
01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:23.800
his back.

2376
01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:26.279
Yeah. So the next morning he gets a knock at

2377
01:41:26.319 --> 01:41:28.680
his door and it's Mason, and that's when Mason is

2378
01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:33.399
actually offering him the job. Burns, Yeah, sorry, Burns is

2379
01:41:33.399 --> 01:41:35.560
offering him the job. And we see next that they're

2380
01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:37.119
flying out to a remote cabin.

2381
01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:38.960
Yeah, to Devil's Canyon.

2382
01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:40.119
Devil's Canyon, indeed.

2383
01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:42.319
And so they basically told him like, you'll be a

2384
01:41:42.359 --> 01:41:45.319
survival guy. Yeah, And and there's a part where when

2385
01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:46.720
Cole had said that to him, he's like, I don't

2386
01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:48.279
really think about surviving and stuff like that. And he's like,

2387
01:41:48.319 --> 01:41:50.279
with my recommendation, you'll have a good shot to get

2388
01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:52.720
in the job. And it pays super well. So now

2389
01:41:52.720 --> 01:41:54.880
he's in an airplane flying with these guys. There's a

2390
01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:57.079
pig on the plane with them, and he asks, you know,

2391
01:41:57.079 --> 01:41:58.800
who is this? I thought you guys, you know I

2392
01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:00.319
thought you guys were gonna hunt He's like, oh, we're

2393
01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:01.039
not hunting him.

2394
01:42:01.199 --> 01:42:03.560
He's dinner. Yeah, well he's our guest of our guest

2395
01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:03.960
of honor.

2396
01:42:04.039 --> 01:42:09.920
Yeah, there's a lot of them foreshadowing Mason to the pig,

2397
01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:11.880
oh that they brought just to slaughter.

2398
01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.520
Yeah. So that is when they land outside of this

2399
01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:17.479
out of this cabin, surrounded by acres of woods, and

2400
01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:19.159
that's when they also meet the rest of the party,

2401
01:42:19.199 --> 01:42:22.119
who have all paid fifty thousand dollars a piece.

2402
01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:24.520
We assume for this. We know for sure that f.

2403
01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:27.640
Murray Abraham paid for him and the sun fifty grand apiece. Yeah,

2404
01:42:27.640 --> 01:42:29.159
we don't know what they you know, if they had

2405
01:42:29.199 --> 01:42:32.199
other deals going on or what, but we do know

2406
01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:34.800
that they're paying good money to go on this hunt.

2407
01:42:34.840 --> 01:42:37.079
So we've got Gary Busey who plays Doc Hawkins. We've

2408
01:42:37.079 --> 01:42:39.560
got f. Murray Abraham who plays Wolf Senior, with his

2409
01:42:39.640 --> 01:42:43.199
son William McNamara who's Derek Wolf Junior. And we also

2410
01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:45.600
have John Griffin who's played by John C. McGinley. So

2411
01:42:45.640 --> 01:42:49.279
we've got a group of well, well adjusted character actors

2412
01:42:49.279 --> 01:42:49.760
in this movie.

2413
01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:53.840
Now, they're excellent, and we get little tastes of things

2414
01:42:53.880 --> 01:42:58.600
like John C. Mcginley's character is very very aggressive and quiet. Yeah,

2415
01:42:58.640 --> 01:43:01.520
we see that McNamara's character is very young, and he's

2416
01:43:01.600 --> 01:43:03.199
very soft, and.

2417
01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:05.279
We may not have the best relationship with his father.

2418
01:43:05.439 --> 01:43:07.920
No, well, well, his father tells him like, I need

2419
01:43:07.960 --> 01:43:10.079
you need to learn to be tough. You're soft like

2420
01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:12.520
I want to. I want you to have the toughness

2421
01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:14.399
to be able to do this to make it in

2422
01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:14.760
this world.

2423
01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:15.000
Yeah.

2424
01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:17.319
We find out that he's considered the most quote unquote

2425
01:43:17.479 --> 01:43:19.079
feared man in Wall Street.

2426
01:43:19.039 --> 01:43:22.920
And Ted Doc Hawkins is a retired Central Intelligence agent

2427
01:43:22.960 --> 01:43:24.159
and a psychiatrist now.

2428
01:43:24.039 --> 01:43:26.560
Well retired psychiatrist Yeah for the CIA.

2429
01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:30.199
Yes, who's also the founder of h CO, says Wikipedia.

2430
01:43:30.479 --> 01:43:34.880
Oh so we also have Texas Oil magnet John Griffin

2431
01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:38.119
and wealthy father and son Wall Street executives Derek and Junior.

2432
01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:42.239
Yes, and and and it's that's another element of this

2433
01:43:42.359 --> 01:43:45.279
that works really well, is you know McNamara's character is

2434
01:43:45.279 --> 01:43:47.640
a gen xer. Yeah, and his dad is saying like,

2435
01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:49.680
you're soft like your mother, and I want you to

2436
01:43:49.720 --> 01:43:51.600
be tough like you have to be to make it

2437
01:43:51.600 --> 01:43:54.359
in this world, which is a very common thing, especially

2438
01:43:54.399 --> 01:43:57.039
with very successful people as you know, like, I'm worried

2439
01:43:57.079 --> 01:43:59.159
my kids because they grew up with everything aren't going

2440
01:43:59.199 --> 01:44:00.920
to be able to take over for me or whatever.

2441
01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:04.399
So he's basically kind of berating this poor kid who

2442
01:44:04.439 --> 01:44:07.000
is just a kid. Yeah, and he comes off as

2443
01:44:07.079 --> 01:44:10.520
like nineteen, Yeah, I would say probably maybe even younger,

2444
01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:11.720
maybe even just out of high school.

2445
01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:13.920
So Mason is also exploring the cabin before he meets

2446
01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:15.720
all of them, and we see that the cabin's really

2447
01:44:15.800 --> 01:44:18.119
ducked out. Nice. There's a granite table for Christ's sake,

2448
01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:22.520
there's like every possible like dead animal is decorated at

2449
01:44:22.520 --> 01:44:23.039
some point too.

2450
01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:25.640
Oh yeah, there's there's tons of elk heads and stuff

2451
01:44:25.680 --> 01:44:25.880
like that.

2452
01:44:25.960 --> 01:44:28.199
But he also finds that there's one door in particular

2453
01:44:28.239 --> 01:44:30.159
that has a lock on it a paddle.

2454
01:44:30.199 --> 01:44:31.479
Yeah you're not getting in that room.

2455
01:44:31.560 --> 01:44:33.720
Yeah. So he goes out meets the guys. We cut

2456
01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:35.279
over to dinner as they were having the pig that

2457
01:44:35.359 --> 01:44:38.640
was flying over yes, which rugger Howerd has prepared for them,

2458
01:44:38.760 --> 01:44:39.880
and his chef's hat. Yeah.

2459
01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:42.319
No, it's so fancy. Yeah, like that's the thing is

2460
01:44:42.319 --> 01:44:44.640
like the So he hands the head is out on

2461
01:44:44.720 --> 01:44:46.960
a silt literally a silverlver bladder. And that was one

2462
01:44:46.960 --> 01:44:49.000
thing I noticed, especially rewatching this with you, is I

2463
01:44:49.039 --> 01:44:51.600
was like, Dave, they're eating off silver at a cabin,

2464
01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:54.039
like they're supposed to be roughing it, and they're eating

2465
01:44:54.039 --> 01:44:56.960
off of silver. The pig is it's not like a

2466
01:44:57.079 --> 01:44:59.840
rough and dirty roast. The head is on a platter

2467
01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:03.560
with all these roasted potatoes and things like that, and

2468
01:45:03.600 --> 01:45:05.119
they're all sitting down to eat.

2469
01:45:05.319 --> 01:45:08.000
And this is where the movie really just takes off.

2470
01:45:08.199 --> 01:45:10.680
It just it's this is such a memorable moment because

2471
01:45:11.119 --> 01:45:13.119
the head is put right in front of Mason, so

2472
01:45:13.159 --> 01:45:15.199
the pig is like looking at him, and Mason just

2473
01:45:15.279 --> 01:45:17.840
kind of turns the head away from him. And then

2474
01:45:18.119 --> 01:45:21.760
Bucy's like, wow, she's making these pig sounds like if

2475
01:45:21.800 --> 01:45:23.760
you look at the pig as you eat it, you

2476
01:45:23.920 --> 01:45:24.439
devour it.

2477
01:45:24.640 --> 01:45:28.680
So they have this whole exchange about appreciating the food.

2478
01:45:28.760 --> 01:45:30.319
Rugger Hower has a whole thing where he's just like,

2479
01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:32.359
you know, you have to enjoy these things, you know,

2480
01:45:32.399 --> 01:45:35.399
you have to look at it, smell it, and experience

2481
01:45:35.439 --> 01:45:37.760
it finally assuming it slowly.

2482
01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:40.000
And then and then Ice is just like, you have

2483
01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:42.239
your way out of mine. He's just wolfing it down.

2484
01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:44.279
And we've got him drinking wine. He's like, oh man,

2485
01:45:44.279 --> 01:45:46.039
this is really good wine, and f. R. Abraham's like, yeah,

2486
01:45:46.079 --> 01:45:47.119
for four to fifty a bottle, it.

2487
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:48.800
Should be He's like, four dollars and fifty cents a bttle.

2488
01:45:48.800 --> 01:45:50.279
I should been drinking this a long time ago. It's

2489
01:45:50.319 --> 01:45:52.960
like four hundred and fifty dollars a bottle. And he's like,

2490
01:45:53.119 --> 01:45:54.399
offs on it. He's like, don't waste it.

2491
01:45:54.479 --> 01:45:59.000
Yeah. So they get through dinner and that's when we

2492
01:45:59.039 --> 01:46:01.560
see that Mason is sit with Hawkins and he sees

2493
01:46:01.600 --> 01:46:03.479
that he's smoking. He asks me, you and have a cigarette

2494
01:46:03.520 --> 01:46:04.800
and he's like, oh, no, go ahead and take the

2495
01:46:04.800 --> 01:46:05.439
whole pack. Oh.

2496
01:46:05.479 --> 01:46:07.920
And it's such a psychological game. Yeah, He's like, I'm

2497
01:46:07.960 --> 01:46:09.760
offering you the whole pack. Yes, I have another one

2498
01:46:09.800 --> 01:46:10.079
right here.

2499
01:46:10.119 --> 01:46:11.319
I only want one. He's like, not only one.

2500
01:46:11.399 --> 01:46:12.439
He's like, well, then the rest will have to go

2501
01:46:12.439 --> 01:46:13.720
to waste because I got a pack right here.

2502
01:46:13.800 --> 01:46:14.119
Yeah.

2503
01:46:14.159 --> 01:46:17.359
And that's totally a psychological mind game to see how

2504
01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:22.439
how suggestible a person is. That's a really like a

2505
01:46:22.439 --> 01:46:24.640
total mind game, and that tells you everything you need

2506
01:46:24.640 --> 01:46:25.399
to know about Hawkins.

2507
01:46:25.479 --> 01:46:28.319
But then we find out further so much more.

2508
01:46:28.399 --> 01:46:31.000
And this is probably the most memorable moment of the

2509
01:46:31.039 --> 01:46:33.920
film is this monologue. Now, does McGinley get pissed before this

2510
01:46:34.119 --> 01:46:35.520
or is he there for this? Because I think he

2511
01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:37.920
know this was this was he got mad first? Yeah,

2512
01:46:37.960 --> 01:46:38.920
and it can happen.

2513
01:46:38.720 --> 01:46:41.960
Because basically he sees that he McGinley is just eyeing,

2514
01:46:42.199 --> 01:46:44.279
is eyeing Mason, and Mason goes to have but you

2515
01:46:44.319 --> 01:46:46.079
got a problem me, and he's just like, ask him

2516
01:46:46.079 --> 01:46:46.439
some things.

2517
01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:48.560
But the weird thing is he's he's eyeing them all

2518
01:46:48.600 --> 01:46:49.800
mean yeah, and then he says like you got a

2519
01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:51.760
problem with or somebody goes, where are you from? Yeah,

2520
01:46:51.800 --> 01:46:55.000
and it's so soft, Yeah, where are you from? Like

2521
01:46:55.399 --> 01:46:57.760
it's so weird. It's like it's like he's trying not

2522
01:46:57.840 --> 01:46:58.560
to spook a deer.

2523
01:46:58.680 --> 01:47:00.880
Yeah, and he's and he basically it's still a point

2524
01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:03.000
where he, you know, asked him has he ever killed anybody?

2525
01:47:03.039 --> 01:47:05.640
And he's just killed any killed anything, and he's just like, yeah,

2526
01:47:05.680 --> 01:47:08.680
my wife and kid and McGinley fucking loses it.

2527
01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:10.800
Yeah, And they grab him and throw him out to

2528
01:47:10.840 --> 01:47:12.840
cool down. And as he's being thrown out, he's almost

2529
01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:15.279
giving it away. He's like, oh, mine, Namara and They're like,

2530
01:47:15.319 --> 01:47:18.359
gut outside, cool off. H It's a great moment, and

2531
01:47:18.399 --> 01:47:19.840
but it just blew my mind as I realized that

2532
01:47:19.880 --> 01:47:21.319
he was trying not to spook him. Yeah, when he's like,

2533
01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:24.199
where are you from? Yeah, Like it was so weird.

2534
01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:25.399
And so they asked he asked, He's like, you know,

2535
01:47:25.439 --> 01:47:27.000
what was his problem? He's like, oh, well, his daughter

2536
01:47:27.079 --> 01:47:28.840
was just killed. Like he lost his daughter a couple

2537
01:47:28.880 --> 01:47:30.920
of weeks ago. I think it was it was later

2538
01:47:31.039 --> 01:47:34.319
earlier this year or something. It wasn't like it was recent. Yeah,

2539
01:47:34.560 --> 01:47:36.439
very well, and it could have been five years ago

2540
01:47:36.479 --> 01:47:38.399
he'd still be he And I mean, we can go

2541
01:47:38.399 --> 01:47:39.800
ahead and say it. Now. We find out that his

2542
01:47:39.880 --> 01:47:42.239
daughter was literally stalked by somebody and then killed and

2543
01:47:42.279 --> 01:47:43.520
like fought for her life.

2544
01:47:43.319 --> 01:47:46.880
And likely by somebody who looks like Mace like him, Yeah,

2545
01:47:46.920 --> 01:47:49.119
probably a homeless black man.

2546
01:47:49.199 --> 01:47:51.319
Yeah. So that's when we get to do you want

2547
01:47:51.319 --> 01:47:54.159
to take it? Uh? The the infamous Beaucy portion.

2548
01:47:54.359 --> 01:47:56.000
I mean, I I could almost I feel like I

2549
01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:59.479
could almost tell it, but I won't. But he decides

2550
01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:02.319
him about his scar, yeah, because he says, like, Mason.

2551
01:48:02.039 --> 01:48:03.880
You know you should you know, ask me anything? Yeah,

2552
01:48:04.079 --> 01:48:04.680
where'd you get this car.

2553
01:48:04.760 --> 01:48:07.319
He's like, oh this, I call this a birthmark. And

2554
01:48:07.359 --> 01:48:10.159
he goes into the story that I'll nobody could do

2555
01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:13.800
it justice because Bucy does it so magnificently, where he

2556
01:48:13.880 --> 01:48:15.239
just tells the story about when he was a kid,

2557
01:48:15.239 --> 01:48:17.479
he got a bulldog named Prince Henry Stout, and his

2558
01:48:17.560 --> 01:48:20.199
father taught him to make it an attack dog, so

2559
01:48:20.239 --> 01:48:23.399
they trained it with firecrackers to get aggressive and attack things.

2560
01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:26.119
Then one day his dad's like, you're gonna be a man.

2561
01:48:26.039 --> 01:48:27.720
Yeah, because he's thirteen, because he got the dog when

2562
01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:29.680
he was eight thirteen, You're going to learn to be

2563
01:48:29.720 --> 01:48:29.960
a man.

2564
01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:31.479
You're gonna learn to do things that other men are

2565
01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:32.720
unwilling and unable to do.

2566
01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:34.840
Gets his first shotgun and.

2567
01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:37.479
He basically tells him like, you're gonna go out there.

2568
01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:39.000
He hands me with him a bunch of cherry bombs.

2569
01:48:39.039 --> 01:48:41.720
You're gonna throw these at the Prince. He's gonna attack you.

2570
01:48:42.039 --> 01:48:43.680
He's gonna kill you, or you're gonna kill him.

2571
01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:44.359
Yeah.

2572
01:48:44.560 --> 01:48:47.239
So he tells this incredible story about fighting the dog

2573
01:48:47.319 --> 01:48:50.439
and rolling over breaking its neck and that scar was

2574
01:48:50.439 --> 01:48:53.640
in the fight with Prince Henry Stout. Ye, and it's

2575
01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:56.920
an I cannot I mean, like talk about a great way.

2576
01:48:57.159 --> 01:48:58.479
One of the reasons I think this movie was so

2577
01:48:58.520 --> 01:49:02.520
successful on cable was once that monologue was over, Yeah

2578
01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:03.079
you are in.

2579
01:49:03.279 --> 01:49:05.920
I mean, that's basically like I told you it's Dickerson

2580
01:49:05.920 --> 01:49:07.680
said on the commentary that he wanted that to be

2581
01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:11.840
Quin's uss Indianapolis speech from Jaws basically for this movie. Yeah.

2582
01:49:11.920 --> 01:49:14.039
And and the best part is after all of that,

2583
01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:17.760
it cuts to Mason. He's just like, do you tell

2584
01:49:17.840 --> 01:49:21.039
your patients about this story? Patients though about that, No,

2585
01:49:21.560 --> 01:49:26.000
but you do. It's such a great it's such a

2586
01:49:26.039 --> 01:49:28.079
great moment. And that's when he also, you know, and

2587
01:49:28.760 --> 01:49:30.039
just before that, I think, is when we found out,

2588
01:49:30.039 --> 01:49:32.760
you know, you worked at the CIA, the company, the CIA,

2589
01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:34.079
And then he says like that's where I'm at these

2590
01:49:34.119 --> 01:49:34.560
two yep.

2591
01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:37.560
And you're like, oh, well, while all this is happening

2592
01:49:37.600 --> 01:49:39.560
to you, you've got William Knakna that's been handed a

2593
01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:41.399
feather by Rugger that wants him to tell him where

2594
01:49:41.399 --> 01:49:43.119
it came from. You've got his dad on the couch

2595
01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:45.279
like playing chess with Rugger, and everybody's just kind of

2596
01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:45.680
chilling out.

2597
01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:48.640
Yeah, they're relaxing, having cigars, but not actually smoking them.

2598
01:49:49.039 --> 01:49:51.279
There's a lot of having a cigar in your mouth

2599
01:49:51.319 --> 01:49:53.159
and then maybe starting to light it and then nothing else.

2600
01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:55.439
I mean, Dunton basically just carries his in his mouth

2601
01:49:55.520 --> 01:49:56.079
most of the movies.

2602
01:49:56.159 --> 01:49:57.479
Oh when he has like a ton of them in there,

2603
01:49:57.479 --> 01:49:59.960
and they're really long Churchill cigars too, and he's just

2604
01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:00.840
always chewing on one.

2605
01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:01.159
Yeah.

2606
01:50:01.239 --> 01:50:04.159
But yeah, and McNamara says, a Turkey vulture and they're like,

2607
01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:05.800
good job, you know, because he's trying to be a

2608
01:50:05.800 --> 01:50:06.279
good hunter.

2609
01:50:06.439 --> 01:50:09.119
And so this all leads to Rugger Howard taking him

2610
01:50:09.159 --> 01:50:10.880
up to his room. He says, tomorrow, I'll go over

2611
01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:12.560
the job with you, but for now, go ahead and

2612
01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:13.800
get yourself a good rest.

2613
01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:16.199
Get a good night's sleep. Yeah, and and this is yeah,

2614
01:50:16.199 --> 01:50:18.279
and this is where the movie literally never ever stops,

2615
01:50:18.399 --> 01:50:21.760
because he wakes up in the morning to a desert

2616
01:50:21.840 --> 01:50:25.479
eagle handgun by coal, which is up against his face,

2617
01:50:25.479 --> 01:50:28.279
and he hears and and and before he cocks the handle,

2618
01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:30.800
which is what wakes up Mason. Yeah, he says they

2619
01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:33.000
were was little hunters.

2620
01:50:33.079 --> 01:50:34.720
Yep. So he wakes up.

2621
01:50:34.760 --> 01:50:36.720
He's like, yo, what the shit Cole And he basically

2622
01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:39.079
knocks him around and says like, you know, you're the

2623
01:50:39.159 --> 01:50:41.079
you're the hunt You're the who we're hunting. Mason, like

2624
01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:43.359
you're the whatever. Opens the door and they go through,

2625
01:50:43.359 --> 01:50:45.439
and it's almost like a hazing ritual. They're all like

2626
01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:48.000
clapping and making loud noise and and while they're all

2627
01:50:48.039 --> 01:50:50.239
like laughing as at McGinley is grabbing him like spitting

2628
01:50:50.239 --> 01:50:52.039
on and saying like I could taste you already.

2629
01:50:52.119 --> 01:50:54.359
And and then we also have Ruggers. One of my

2630
01:50:54.359 --> 01:50:56.479
favorite lines, He's gonna He tells him that he's like

2631
01:50:56.520 --> 01:50:58.840
you're the hunted, or you're you're you're what's gonna be hunted?

2632
01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:02.000
Were the hunters? After we eat a nice leisure breakfast,

2633
01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:02.520
you get a ten.

2634
01:51:03.119 --> 01:51:04.760
However, get a head start for as long as it

2635
01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:07.319
takes for us to eat a nice, ye leisurely breakfast.

2636
01:51:07.720 --> 01:51:10.079
And I want to mention because there's so many great

2637
01:51:10.079 --> 01:51:13.159
moments that the the the crazy great lines are about

2638
01:51:13.159 --> 01:51:15.159
to ease up now that the action has started. But

2639
01:51:15.239 --> 01:51:18.079
the other thing that I loved that I never fully

2640
01:51:18.119 --> 01:51:20.640
caught before was when they're eating the pig right at

2641
01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:21.720
the at the beginning of dinner.

2642
01:51:21.800 --> 01:51:22.479
Yeah, John C.

2643
01:51:22.600 --> 01:51:26.039
McGinley asks Cole, Oh yeah, he says like, because they

2644
01:51:26.079 --> 01:51:28.520
say Cole picked the pig, because Cole's really good at

2645
01:51:28.520 --> 01:51:30.319
picking the pigs. And he's like, now, did you know

2646
01:51:30.399 --> 01:51:32.960
the pig was going to be this delicious? While the

2647
01:51:32.960 --> 01:51:35.239
pig was still breathing, He's like, I'm pretty sure about it.

2648
01:51:35.880 --> 01:51:39.680
He's literally he did that to Mason. Yeah, he picked

2649
01:51:39.720 --> 01:51:41.920
Mason out and was like, I have a good feeling

2650
01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:43.479
about this guy, because that's what you say when he

2651
01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:45.760
when he heads off. He keeps saying every time Mason

2652
01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:47.439
out smarts and he goes, I told you this guy

2653
01:51:47.479 --> 01:51:48.279
was going to be amazing.

2654
01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:48.600
Yeah.

2655
01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:52.880
So now we've got Mason running for the woods, heart racing,

2656
01:51:53.039 --> 01:51:54.920
trying to, you know, figure out what to do. They

2657
01:51:55.039 --> 01:51:58.239
they give him nothing but the clothes on his back.

2658
01:51:58.399 --> 01:52:00.960
They give him like a vess. Yeah, he has to

2659
01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:03.640
have a special like hunt like a prey bess basically, and.

2660
01:52:03.600 --> 01:52:04.640
He had his boots and stuff.

2661
01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:04.680
Like.

2662
01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:07.359
They didn't send him out with nothing. They sent him

2663
01:52:07.359 --> 01:52:10.760
out just basically. I kind of wondered because he was

2664
01:52:10.760 --> 01:52:12.319
like ready to go right then. I wonder if they

2665
01:52:12.520 --> 01:52:13.880
like dressed him while he was a sleeper.

2666
01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:17.239
Something possible. I mean, yeah, because.

2667
01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:18.760
There's also a line when when he's drinking the wine

2668
01:52:18.760 --> 01:52:19.800
where they say like, you don't want to have too

2669
01:52:19.840 --> 01:52:21.680
much mine anyway, because you don't want to be slow tomorrow.

2670
01:52:21.680 --> 01:52:25.239
And he's like laughing and you're like, yeah.

2671
01:52:24.199 --> 01:52:26.000
So he's running out in the woods. We cut back

2672
01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:29.279
to them having breakfast and Bucy's just rare in to go.

2673
01:52:29.399 --> 01:52:31.239
I'm ready, and Ruggers like, no, no, we're going to

2674
01:52:31.279 --> 01:52:33.119
give him the time. We're gonna give him more time

2675
01:52:33.199 --> 01:52:36.199
to ye and we're gonna enjoy ourselves, and they Prince

2676
01:52:36.239 --> 01:52:37.279
Henry stout.

2677
01:52:38.880 --> 01:52:41.279
It's such a but they're literally they're not just eating like,

2678
01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:44.479
they're like looking at at like artwork, and he's and

2679
01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:46.399
and and Readyger has this whole line about like I

2680
01:52:46.520 --> 01:52:49.479
like beautiful things, and he's looking at like a butter

2681
01:52:49.560 --> 01:52:53.840
butterfly that's been framed. Now will William McNamara isn't touching

2682
01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:54.159
his food.

2683
01:52:54.199 --> 01:52:56.279
He doesn't have an appetite, and Rugger even tells him,

2684
01:52:56.279 --> 01:52:57.399
he's like, you know, you should eat some eggs, you

2685
01:52:57.439 --> 01:52:59.479
know he'll feel better. And then McGinley just takes his

2686
01:52:59.520 --> 01:53:00.199
place like.

2687
01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:01.680
He's like, I'm not hungry. He's like, what was that, Well,

2688
01:53:01.720 --> 01:53:04.239
let's do a little switcherony. Yeah, Baginley is shoveling food

2689
01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:07.479
down his mouth because he's so excited, yeah, to go

2690
01:53:07.640 --> 01:53:08.560
and do this thing.

2691
01:53:08.720 --> 01:53:11.079
So they finally finished their meal and they go after him,

2692
01:53:11.239 --> 01:53:14.199
and this is when they are on their ATVs going

2693
01:53:14.199 --> 01:53:15.039
through the woods.

2694
01:53:14.760 --> 01:53:16.479
Which is the first moment, by the way, that I

2695
01:53:16.520 --> 01:53:19.119
think it's a real good commentary on hunting. Is like

2696
01:53:19.119 --> 01:53:20.840
they're like, you have a ten minute headstart to run

2697
01:53:20.880 --> 01:53:21.640
into the woods and.

2698
01:53:21.560 --> 01:53:24.119
There's any TV. Yeah, you know.

2699
01:53:24.239 --> 01:53:26.520
It's like because I've always heard those people, Like I

2700
01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:28.000
had a friend years and years ago who used to

2701
01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:29.880
always say, like I hate hunting. I just hate the

2702
01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:31.560
concept of it. Like if you want to be a hunter,

2703
01:53:31.680 --> 01:53:33.560
you should go into the woods naked with a fork.

2704
01:53:34.159 --> 01:53:36.279
That's all you get. You used to always say that

2705
01:53:36.319 --> 01:53:38.000
it killed me. I thought that was the funniest, the

2706
01:53:38.079 --> 01:53:38.720
funniest thing.

2707
01:53:39.159 --> 01:53:42.119
So they they eventually catch up to Mason, so they

2708
01:53:42.119 --> 01:53:44.159
think like Johnson McGinley thinks he has sight of them,

2709
01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:46.600
shoots a bunch of trees, which causes all the guys

2710
01:53:46.600 --> 01:53:47.359
to laugh at him.

2711
01:53:47.239 --> 01:53:51.600
And he has this massive hot shit spasky. So because

2712
01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:55.439
everybody's weapons are kind of representative, yea, like Bucy has

2713
01:53:55.439 --> 01:53:57.560
a crossbow, and he's wearing like a fringed kind of

2714
01:53:57.640 --> 01:54:00.720
Native American jacket and he has like an and a holster.

2715
01:54:00.920 --> 01:54:02.199
He got some paint down his side too.

2716
01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:04.600
Yeah, he's very he's very It's very clear that this

2717
01:54:04.680 --> 01:54:06.760
is some ritual for him.

2718
01:54:06.880 --> 01:54:09.800
Yeah. Yeah, it's for him. So you got that. You've

2719
01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:12.680
got Rugger's got a really nice rifle, and Dutton I

2720
01:54:12.680 --> 01:54:15.479
think basically has the Desert Eagle. He has a Desert

2721
01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:17.000
Eagle and he has got a rifle too. Yeah, and

2722
01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:18.399
then and then F.

2723
01:54:18.479 --> 01:54:22.239
Murray Abraham has like just a standard hunting riflesfle It's

2724
01:54:22.279 --> 01:54:24.960
it's very interesting. And the way that they're if you

2725
01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:27.439
look at the way they're dressed, that's another really interesting thing. Yeah,

2726
01:54:27.680 --> 01:54:31.960
because Rugger Howard looks put together, like he looks like

2727
01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:33.119
he wants to look good.

2728
01:54:33.279 --> 01:54:34.760
Yeah. Then you look at like F.

2729
01:54:34.840 --> 01:54:36.520
Murray Abraham and his son, and they're just wearing like

2730
01:54:36.560 --> 01:54:40.279
the most expensive hunting stuff. Yeah, like they kind of

2731
01:54:40.279 --> 01:54:42.159
look out of place. They do, because they're just it

2732
01:54:42.159 --> 01:54:44.000
looks like they just went on ll Bean and just

2733
01:54:44.000 --> 01:54:45.439
picked the most expensive thing.

2734
01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:49.000
And the thing with mc namara is he's hesitant throughout

2735
01:54:49.039 --> 01:54:50.920
most of this movie with the hunt to where f

2736
01:54:51.000 --> 01:54:53.520
Murray Abraham has to pull him aside multiple times and

2737
01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:55.159
keep telling him like, no, you're gonna do this, to

2738
01:54:55.199 --> 01:54:57.079
even where they issue a bet to where I bet

2739
01:54:57.119 --> 01:54:58.520
my son's the first one to catch him.

2740
01:54:58.560 --> 01:55:00.640
Yeah, I bet my son gets draws first blood. Ye,

2741
01:55:00.680 --> 01:55:01.159
who's in.

2742
01:55:01.359 --> 01:55:04.520
Yeah. So they eventually catch up to Mason, but he

2743
01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:07.119
outwits them, and so they're tracking them. They're tracking them,

2744
01:55:07.119 --> 01:55:09.359
and then suddenly we see Mason's also resting by a

2745
01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:11.439
tree and he gets an idea and he doubles back,

2746
01:55:12.079 --> 01:55:13.840
so he gets back to the cabin. And that's also

2747
01:55:13.920 --> 01:55:15.640
when we catch back up to our hunters and they

2748
01:55:15.720 --> 01:55:16.800
stop and they're.

2749
01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:18.960
Like you smell that, and he's like he wouldn't. What

2750
01:55:19.119 --> 01:55:20.600
an idiot? Yeah, And then they.

2751
01:55:20.479 --> 01:55:21.560
They've never done that before.

2752
01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:24.199
Well, no, no, before that the smoking tree. Oh yeah,

2753
01:55:24.359 --> 01:55:27.199
they're just like, what an idiot he's smoking? He's smoking? Yeah,

2754
01:55:27.239 --> 01:55:29.760
And then they they shoot and realize it's a tree

2755
01:55:30.159 --> 01:55:31.960
and he had he had put a couple of cigarettes

2756
01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:34.079
and lit them on the tree to load them off.

2757
01:55:34.119 --> 01:55:36.239
But that's when they figure out like he went back

2758
01:55:36.239 --> 01:55:38.600
to the cabin and then and then Cole says, like

2759
01:55:38.680 --> 01:55:40.680
none of them has ever done that before, Yes, which

2760
01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:42.479
is such a brilliant move too.

2761
01:55:42.560 --> 01:55:44.399
He gets back to the cabin, he's looking for guns.

2762
01:55:44.399 --> 01:55:45.960
He keeps saying that there's gotta be guns. Here's got

2763
01:55:46.039 --> 01:55:47.560
to be guns in here. So he goes first to

2764
01:55:47.600 --> 01:55:49.680
that lock door, gets something to break the lock off,

2765
01:55:49.880 --> 01:55:51.760
breaks the lock. It's just a dark room with a

2766
01:55:51.760 --> 01:55:53.840
bunch of jars until he turns on the light and

2767
01:55:53.880 --> 01:55:56.880
then we see all the heads of the pass hunted.

2768
01:55:57.000 --> 01:55:59.960
And they're not just heads and jars, they have little

2769
01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:03.439
plaques with the names. Yeah, and then they find he

2770
01:56:03.479 --> 01:56:05.239
finds the one jar in there that's empty.

2771
01:56:05.319 --> 01:56:06.640
Yeah, a mason jar, mace.

2772
01:56:06.760 --> 01:56:08.439
I was so funny. I said that when we were

2773
01:56:08.439 --> 01:56:09.840
watching it too. Hey, it's a mason jar.

2774
01:56:10.159 --> 01:56:13.000
So the first thing he does immediately is he starts

2775
01:56:13.039 --> 01:56:15.640
laying waste of this room, throwing everything over. He gets

2776
01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:18.560
some gasoline outside, pours it inside the cabin. Right does

2777
01:56:18.560 --> 01:56:20.439
he hears them start to come back to the cabin. Yeah.

2778
01:56:20.479 --> 01:56:22.560
He grabs all the gas for the generator because earlier

2779
01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:24.520
they showed him like they had him rock and fuel

2780
01:56:24.560 --> 01:56:24.880
over to.

2781
01:56:24.920 --> 01:56:27.760
The propane and everything. Yeah, so it starts a fire

2782
01:56:27.840 --> 01:56:29.960
right as they pull up and as they're walking up

2783
01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:33.720
f Bray, Abraham goes upstairs and rugger Howard's like, you

2784
01:56:33.760 --> 01:56:35.520
smell that? And so they're like, oh my god, it's

2785
01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:38.119
trap right as this fire kicks up. Yeah, but then

2786
01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:40.399
out back Mason has just lit the fire, and who

2787
01:56:40.520 --> 01:56:42.840
comes right through that door, crazy as.

2788
01:56:42.760 --> 01:56:45.199
All get out, Gary Buse pretty much the only jump

2789
01:56:45.199 --> 01:56:48.520
scare in his film because he it's effective. He bursts

2790
01:56:48.520 --> 01:56:50.960
through the door, knife in his hands, going yeah yeah,

2791
01:56:51.039 --> 01:56:55.279
just screaming, attacks Mason and at first he holds him

2792
01:56:55.359 --> 01:56:57.720
up against the wall of the cabin which is hot, yeah,

2793
01:56:57.720 --> 01:56:59.960
and then pulls up. I goes like my meat medium rare, yeah,

2794
01:57:00.399 --> 01:57:04.119
And then he knocks him over and then he says,

2795
01:57:04.520 --> 01:57:07.920
try well done, bitch, and he throws it through there.

2796
01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:10.560
So now he's gone back into the fiery building. And

2797
01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:12.439
then Mason runs away as the building finally gives a

2798
01:57:12.439 --> 01:57:14.680
boom blows up because all the heads are stored in

2799
01:57:14.760 --> 01:57:17.039
some kind of a flammable liquid. Yeah, so it's a

2800
01:57:17.199 --> 01:57:19.520
and he made sure to put most of the gasoline

2801
01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:19.800
in that.

2802
01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:21.239
I love that.

2803
01:57:21.279 --> 01:57:24.199
His reaction is like, fuck these motherfuckers, Like, I don't

2804
01:57:24.199 --> 01:57:26.279
even think it was really a trap. No, I think

2805
01:57:26.279 --> 01:57:29.560
he was just he was mad. He was like so

2806
01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:31.439
mortified and mad.

2807
01:57:31.560 --> 01:57:34.680
Yeah, the while that's happening to you, f Mary, Abraham's

2808
01:57:34.680 --> 01:57:37.159
gone upstairs to try and find him. The explosion knocks

2809
01:57:37.239 --> 01:57:39.119
him out, so his son ends up saving him, pulling

2810
01:57:39.199 --> 01:57:41.079
him towards a window, which all the guys helped him

2811
01:57:41.079 --> 01:57:43.079
get out. So he's very happy with the son, which

2812
01:57:43.119 --> 01:57:45.760
is like the one moment that we have and that's.

2813
01:57:45.680 --> 01:57:48.199
The one where Abraham where he's starting to think like,

2814
01:57:48.239 --> 01:57:51.520
my son isn't like nothing, and me, he saved my life.

2815
01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:53.760
And the guys even when he starts to doubt himself

2816
01:57:53.760 --> 01:57:55.479
but even say like he was gonna kill your father,

2817
01:57:55.640 --> 01:57:56.680
like if it weren't for you.

2818
01:57:56.880 --> 01:57:59.880
Well, because he sees Mason run off as the explosion

2819
01:58:00.439 --> 01:58:03.079
and he's just grabbing a canteen, doesn't say anything, but rugger,

2820
01:58:03.079 --> 01:58:04.640
Howard's right on his ass and he's just like, what

2821
01:58:04.680 --> 01:58:05.279
did you see?

2822
01:58:05.399 --> 01:58:09.760
And he just went that way, like just immediately. This

2823
01:58:09.840 --> 01:58:13.640
is such a great Ah. I love this movie so much, and.

2824
01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:17.319
You were a little ahead. This is the cigarettes. Yeah,

2825
01:58:17.359 --> 01:58:19.640
and also the dog. Oh yeah, it's like a wolf

2826
01:58:19.680 --> 01:58:20.920
and he does but he does the same thing he

2827
01:58:20.960 --> 01:58:22.840
did with the security doog. He just goes yo, man,

2828
01:58:22.840 --> 01:58:24.479
I'm sorry, I'll get out of youd have it. In

2829
01:58:24.479 --> 01:58:26.920
my notes, Dickerson the Wolf. Dickerson said the wolf was

2830
01:58:26.960 --> 01:58:28.840
a way bigger part of the original screenplay.

2831
01:58:28.920 --> 01:58:30.920
I believe that. Yeah, but it would be impossible. I mean,

2832
01:58:31.039 --> 01:58:34.279
like it would be so expensive, yea, working with animals

2833
01:58:34.279 --> 01:58:34.720
all the time.

2834
01:58:34.800 --> 01:58:36.479
So yeah, he gets back into the woods, does the

2835
01:58:36.479 --> 01:58:38.439
thing that we said in regards to lighting the cigarettes

2836
01:58:38.439 --> 01:58:40.239
and putting them in the trees. So they're immediate like

2837
01:58:40.239 --> 01:58:43.560
that that he's smoking. So they take binoculars they see

2838
01:58:43.560 --> 01:58:46.039
the tree smoking and all while this is happening, John

2839
01:58:46.039 --> 01:58:48.920
C McGinley has gone off by himself to go ambush him,

2840
01:58:49.239 --> 01:58:50.560
ends up getting ambushed himself.

2841
01:58:50.720 --> 01:58:53.399
Yeah, he basically rambos him. He he drops out of

2842
01:58:53.439 --> 01:58:55.560
the tree, lands right on top of him. Yep. And

2843
01:58:55.680 --> 01:58:58.720
now the tables are really starting to turn. The day

2844
01:58:58.800 --> 01:59:01.560
is getting to the end. It's to soon become nighttime.

2845
01:59:01.760 --> 01:59:04.279
He's carrying Johnson McGinley through the woods, which is one

2846
01:59:04.279 --> 01:59:05.960
of my favorites, because they're all wearing these headsets that

2847
01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:07.600
you talk to each other. They're trying to reach him

2848
01:59:07.600 --> 01:59:09.399
and trying to reach him, and he starts going like

2849
01:59:09.439 --> 01:59:11.720
while he's being Fireman's carried by iced t he's.

2850
01:59:11.600 --> 01:59:13.199
Like, all right, he's like, shut the fuck up.

2851
01:59:13.399 --> 01:59:15.960
He hits his head twice into a tree and then

2852
01:59:16.079 --> 01:59:17.000
keeps walking through.

2853
01:59:17.319 --> 01:59:19.840
So he ends up finding shelter in a cave and

2854
01:59:20.199 --> 01:59:22.560
that's when he's got McGinley tied up. And McGinley is

2855
01:59:22.720 --> 01:59:26.560
just also asthmatic. We've got to mention, So, yeah, an Hailer.

2856
01:59:26.319 --> 01:59:28.960
One of the best parts, because one of the best

2857
01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:31.520
parts because he's he's this big, tough cowboy, but every

2858
01:59:31.520 --> 01:59:33.439
now and that he gets too excited and he has to.

2859
01:59:34.079 --> 01:59:36.760
Yeah. So he's tied up by Mason and he's just like,

2860
01:59:36.760 --> 01:59:38.119
you know, why don't you fucking kill me, Why don't

2861
01:59:38.119 --> 01:59:39.880
you go ahead and be a hunter use that trigger

2862
01:59:39.880 --> 01:59:42.039
and everything, And Mason basically tells him he's not going

2863
01:59:42.119 --> 01:59:44.239
to do it because he's the marketing chip.

2864
01:59:44.239 --> 01:59:45.920
And he thinks about it for a second and he's

2865
01:59:45.960 --> 01:59:47.520
like no, yeah, no.

2866
01:59:47.880 --> 01:59:50.560
So this all leads to an extended scene with McGinley

2867
01:59:50.800 --> 01:59:53.600
basically like calling Mason out and saying that he's the

2868
01:59:53.760 --> 01:59:56.439
he's one of the reasons that his daughter got attacked

2869
01:59:56.439 --> 01:59:58.239
and killed and you know, blames him.

2870
01:59:58.319 --> 02:00:00.399
There's an amazing moment where he says like, I don't

2871
02:00:00.399 --> 02:00:01.720
know who did it, like, and he was like, for

2872
02:00:01.760 --> 02:00:03.279
all I know, you did it.

2873
02:00:03.399 --> 02:00:03.840
You did it.

2874
02:00:03.920 --> 02:00:06.119
Yeah, And that's an incredible moment where you realize that

2875
02:00:06.159 --> 02:00:08.560
this guy is just he's just desperate.

2876
02:00:08.239 --> 02:00:11.439
Yeah, for an answer. He wants revenge. He does, doesn't

2877
02:00:11.479 --> 02:00:13.159
he'll never get it. He'll never see that, or he's

2878
02:00:13.159 --> 02:00:14.760
not going to get it. Yeah. And this leads to

2879
02:00:14.840 --> 02:00:19.079
Mason basically explaining how he didn't technically kill his wife

2880
02:00:19.279 --> 02:00:22.039
or his wife and son. What happened was he was

2881
02:00:22.079 --> 02:00:24.760
working at this building and he became the manager of

2882
02:00:24.760 --> 02:00:26.399
it where they were living, so they could live there

2883
02:00:26.439 --> 02:00:28.479
for free. Yep. And it was a rundown place at

2884
02:00:28.479 --> 02:00:30.520
a bunch of fire hazards. One night, he had worked

2885
02:00:30.560 --> 02:00:32.880
too late, came back and found that the building was

2886
02:00:32.960 --> 02:00:33.840
burning down the way.

2887
02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:36.560
He said, it affects me so much, because he says,

2888
02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:38.279
I'm all the way back and I see my building.

2889
02:00:38.359 --> 02:00:41.199
Only it's not my my building, but it is my

2890
02:00:41.279 --> 02:00:44.199
building because it was on fire. And sure enough, his

2891
02:00:44.239 --> 02:00:46.600
wife and kid die in that fire.

2892
02:00:47.119 --> 02:00:49.439
And McGinley has the great lineup, I thought you said

2893
02:00:49.439 --> 02:00:50.039
you killed them.

2894
02:00:50.479 --> 02:00:51.800
They're dead, aren't they yes.

2895
02:00:52.199 --> 02:00:55.600
So by this point McGinley and Mason have kind of

2896
02:00:55.680 --> 02:00:57.960
just chilled out. But also we see that Rugger Howard

2897
02:00:57.960 --> 02:01:00.159
and f Maury Abraham have seen exactly where they are.

2898
02:01:00.239 --> 02:01:02.760
They're planning to ambush the cave in the morning, which

2899
02:01:02.800 --> 02:01:05.239
they do. They find John C. McGinley there and he

2900
02:01:05.439 --> 02:01:08.079
is rescued. He gets his little his little power bar

2901
02:01:08.119 --> 02:01:10.000
and he's like, all I know is I'm done. Like

2902
02:01:10.159 --> 02:01:12.479
you guys can keep doing this. I gotta let him go.

2903
02:01:12.800 --> 02:01:14.640
He spared me. Gotta let him go. Yeah, And they're like,

2904
02:01:14.680 --> 02:01:16.199
you know, we can't do it. He's like, I'm not.

2905
02:01:16.319 --> 02:01:19.520
I can't stop you. Yeah, but I'm done. Yeah, Like

2906
02:01:19.560 --> 02:01:20.199
I'm going home.

2907
02:01:20.319 --> 02:01:23.640
So he starts walking and that's when Rugger Howerd's like,

2908
02:01:23.680 --> 02:01:24.840
you know, turn around and he's like, what are you

2909
02:01:24.880 --> 02:01:26.800
gonna do? Shoot me in the back, yes.

2910
02:01:27.199 --> 02:01:29.119
And he turns around with this crazy look in his

2911
02:01:29.159 --> 02:01:31.840
face too, like he was about to fucking whoop the

2912
02:01:32.039 --> 02:01:37.720
shit out of Rugger Howard. Because the reality isn't there

2913
02:01:38.159 --> 02:01:41.319
that these guys are killer killers, because I don't think

2914
02:01:41.359 --> 02:01:43.600
John C. McGinley, his character is a killer No, at

2915
02:01:43.680 --> 02:01:45.720
least not yet. No, Because these guys are training people

2916
02:01:45.720 --> 02:01:47.760
to be killers. Basically, so he looks at him with

2917
02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:49.279
this crazy look because he's just like, I'm gonna beat

2918
02:01:49.319 --> 02:01:51.279
the shit out of you. Because from his perspective, he's like,

2919
02:01:51.479 --> 02:01:53.439
I'll just beat the shit out of him. He'll wipe

2920
02:01:53.439 --> 02:01:55.079
the blood out of his nose. We'll all laugh about

2921
02:01:55.079 --> 02:01:56.399
it and I'll be like, yeah, I get to go

2922
02:01:56.439 --> 02:01:56.880
home now.

2923
02:01:56.960 --> 02:01:59.720
Yeah, but no, no, So he turns around and Rugger

2924
02:01:59.720 --> 02:02:01.800
Howard just with this like peach apple whatever it is

2925
02:02:01.840 --> 02:02:05.680
that yeah, he and Charles Dunton just takes out his degal,

2926
02:02:05.920 --> 02:02:07.199
shooting him right in the head.

2927
02:02:07.800 --> 02:02:10.039
And the first thing that happens is billing that McNamara's

2928
02:02:10.319 --> 02:02:12.760
going dad dead dead, and they knock him in the

2929
02:02:12.800 --> 02:02:15.720
stunner and then he pulls his gun right on Rudger

2930
02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:16.600
Howard and they're like.

2931
02:02:17.439 --> 02:02:20.640
Wolf, yeah, oh my god. So they talk him down

2932
02:02:20.760 --> 02:02:23.960
and basically mc namara is just like, you know, I'll

2933
02:02:24.000 --> 02:02:26.079
continue this hunt, but when this is done, like you

2934
02:02:26.159 --> 02:02:27.520
and I are done.

2935
02:02:27.560 --> 02:02:29.159
Well, he says, I will never forget this.

2936
02:02:29.199 --> 02:02:30.600
I will never forget that. He was like, I'll help

2937
02:02:30.640 --> 02:02:32.680
you hunt him, and I might even have to help him.

2938
02:02:32.680 --> 02:02:33.359
You help me kill him.

2939
02:02:33.399 --> 02:02:36.279
Yeah, but when this is over, I'm not gonna forget this, Yeah,

2940
02:02:36.359 --> 02:02:40.000
which is an incredible moment too, because f Murray Abraham

2941
02:02:40.039 --> 02:02:42.680
is realizing like maybe this wasn't a good idea.

2942
02:02:42.800 --> 02:02:45.279
Yeah. Well, and they've killed They've now killed Griffin to

2943
02:02:45.279 --> 02:02:47.439
prevent any legal action because he was he was even

2944
02:02:47.439 --> 02:02:49.159
saying like, you know, you, you guys can do whatever you want.

2945
02:02:49.199 --> 02:02:50.880
You know, I'm gonna go home. And he's like, you know,

2946
02:02:50.920 --> 02:02:53.399
what are you gonna do? So they've eliminated it time

2947
02:02:53.520 --> 02:02:54.359
gives that whole speech rare.

2948
02:02:54.359 --> 02:02:56.439
He's like, you think he's gonna go to the police,

2949
02:02:56.640 --> 02:02:58.840
Chances are you'll never see him again if he gets

2950
02:02:58.840 --> 02:03:01.079
out of here. A lot and and well, and even

2951
02:03:01.199 --> 02:03:05.000
Rudger Howard even says like he's right, maybe he's right, Like,

2952
02:03:05.079 --> 02:03:07.079
oh my god, and they're just setting him.

2953
02:03:07.000 --> 02:03:09.119
Up, setting it up further and further. So by this point,

2954
02:03:09.119 --> 02:03:11.399
now Mason knows that he's been killed, and now they're

2955
02:03:11.439 --> 02:03:13.640
back on the hunt again. They end up following him

2956
02:03:13.640 --> 02:03:16.439
to this river where they find one footprint. As they

2957
02:03:16.439 --> 02:03:18.720
start walking through the river, we see that Mason's hiding

2958
02:03:18.760 --> 02:03:21.600
out in a hollowed out tree. He climbs out, goes

2959
02:03:21.640 --> 02:03:24.680
back to their ATVs doesn't steal one right away because

2960
02:03:24.680 --> 02:03:26.560
he sees Coles. And what he does is he cuts

2961
02:03:26.600 --> 02:03:29.319
the wire for the ignition, test it and then sticks

2962
02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:29.960
it right in the gas.

2963
02:03:30.039 --> 02:03:32.159
Yeah. When he presses the ignition, it sparks, ye, So

2964
02:03:32.159 --> 02:03:33.439
he sticks it in the gas tank.

2965
02:03:33.840 --> 02:03:36.720
Oh man. So they end up realizing like, okay, that

2966
02:03:36.720 --> 02:03:38.720
he didn't go this way. So they're doubling back right

2967
02:03:38.760 --> 02:03:41.279
as he's driving off. So that's when Rugger Howard takes

2968
02:03:41.319 --> 02:03:44.279
aim with his rifle. Cole gets on his starts it up.

2969
02:03:44.760 --> 02:03:47.399
Rugger Howard shoots out the tire and right as that happens,

2970
02:03:47.479 --> 02:03:49.159
Cole's ATV blows up.

2971
02:03:49.319 --> 02:03:51.680
Yeah, which causes him to basically miss his chance to

2972
02:03:51.680 --> 02:03:56.479
shoot Mason dead from a distance too, because his ATV explodes.

2973
02:03:56.520 --> 02:04:01.119
And this is a moment that stuck with me forever. Yeah,

2974
02:04:01.159 --> 02:04:03.600
because he because as they walk over to him, his

2975
02:04:04.239 --> 02:04:06.079
his leger gone and he and he's in shock.

2976
02:04:07.479 --> 02:04:09.439
This won't be last pick. Sain't the last pig.

2977
02:04:10.119 --> 02:04:13.319
He keeps saying that saint the last pig. Yeah, you

2978
02:04:13.319 --> 02:04:15.479
you you deserve to tell this part. Because I get

2979
02:04:15.520 --> 02:04:16.920
too excited and start getting ahead.

2980
02:04:16.920 --> 02:04:19.640
So he's he's frantic, and that's when a mason has

2981
02:04:19.680 --> 02:04:21.600
crashed because the tire got shot out. So he's off

2982
02:04:21.640 --> 02:04:23.439
to the side, and you know he's not hearing any

2983
02:04:23.439 --> 02:04:25.239
of this. So we see Rugger Howard walk up and

2984
02:04:25.239 --> 02:04:27.159
he's just like, hey, hey, calm down. He's like, you know,

2985
02:04:27.319 --> 02:04:29.560
I'm gonna have to put you to bed. It's time.

2986
02:04:30.399 --> 02:04:32.239
And he has his hands like this, he's got like

2987
02:04:32.239 --> 02:04:35.039
he's got his finger guns almost, and he puts them

2988
02:04:35.079 --> 02:04:37.800
right under his chin and presses to where he basically.

2989
02:04:37.720 --> 02:04:41.560
He collapses his his lung, well, he collapses his esophagush.

2990
02:04:41.640 --> 02:04:44.680
Yeah. So and all while this is happening too, he's

2991
02:04:44.760 --> 02:04:47.039
just going through the motions, takes his headband off that

2992
02:04:47.079 --> 02:04:49.239
he's been wearing, and it's just like he's just straught.

2993
02:04:49.359 --> 02:04:51.680
And this is the part where I'll bring up what

2994
02:04:51.760 --> 02:04:55.119
I was telling you, which is I think there's a

2995
02:04:55.199 --> 02:04:59.279
subtext that that they were lovers. I think so because

2996
02:04:59.319 --> 02:05:01.119
there are a lot of moments where they're touching each

2997
02:05:01.119 --> 02:05:04.439
other and kind of doting on each other. Just puts

2998
02:05:04.439 --> 02:05:06.520
a mint in his mouth. There's also the whole thing

2999
02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:08.760
where it's like he's very like he makes the house

3000
02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:09.199
a home.

3001
02:05:09.520 --> 02:05:12.880
It's frames the This is the butterfly, the butterfly because

3002
02:05:12.880 --> 02:05:14.800
it looks like a heart. Yeah, and then the camera

3003
02:05:15.159 --> 02:05:17.520
and then the camera pulls focus from the butterfly two

3004
02:05:17.640 --> 02:05:20.560
Cole's face smiling at him. But the big thing is

3005
02:05:20.560 --> 02:05:21.800
when he tells him, like, it's time to put you

3006
02:05:21.880 --> 02:05:23.840
to bed and he puts his fingers on him. He

3007
02:05:23.880 --> 02:05:26.760
doesn't fight, he puts his hands on him gently and

3008
02:05:26.840 --> 02:05:30.760
like lets him kill him, Yeah, and then not I'm

3009
02:05:30.800 --> 02:05:34.399
trying to think of the symbolism. After Rugger lets him die,

3010
02:05:34.520 --> 02:05:37.359
he goes over and he has that like incredible moment

3011
02:05:37.359 --> 02:05:38.920
of not a full cry, but that's the moment where

3012
02:05:38.920 --> 02:05:40.279
he's just kind of looking off and he's like the

3013
02:05:40.279 --> 02:05:43.680
tears are happening, his hair's fallen down, he's looking and again,

3014
02:05:43.680 --> 02:05:46.319
maybe I'm overreading this, but he's looking very feminine in

3015
02:05:46.359 --> 02:05:50.039
that moment. And the reason I started to go like,

3016
02:05:50.039 --> 02:05:52.600
these guys seem really intimate was that the more it goes,

3017
02:05:52.600 --> 02:05:54.359
the more you realize they're really only in it with

3018
02:05:54.439 --> 02:05:58.039
each other. Everybody else could be killed because they're a problem,

3019
02:05:58.600 --> 02:06:00.920
but they are the tea. Yeah.

3020
02:06:01.159 --> 02:06:04.279
And it started making me see just more and more

3021
02:06:04.319 --> 02:06:07.520
of like how they were so so familiar with each

3022
02:06:07.520 --> 02:06:09.720
other in like a really and I don't know, I

3023
02:06:09.920 --> 02:06:12.079
think it was subtext. I don't Ernest Dickerson didn't mention

3024
02:06:12.159 --> 02:06:14.840
on the commentary you mentioned, So it made me wonder

3025
02:06:14.920 --> 02:06:20.399
if maybe, like if Rugger Hower and and Charles Dutton

3026
02:06:20.399 --> 02:06:23.199
had like talked about it kind of and kind of

3027
02:06:23.239 --> 02:06:26.319
like put that subtext in by the way they interacted

3028
02:06:26.359 --> 02:06:28.960
with each other, because it's it's it's it's everything they

3029
02:06:29.000 --> 02:06:30.840
do is so interesting. Because that's kind of my point

3030
02:06:30.960 --> 02:06:35.199
is we're watching this ridiculous, low budget ish action movie

3031
02:06:35.840 --> 02:06:39.399
with hunters hunting a man for sport, and they're so

3032
02:06:39.520 --> 02:06:42.319
the Hunters are so interesting to watch and listen to,

3033
02:06:42.960 --> 02:06:45.199
and that's my point of like, I love the idea

3034
02:06:45.279 --> 02:06:48.680
that like that's the subtext that doesn't that matters because

3035
02:06:48.720 --> 02:06:51.720
it makes them more interesting because they could just be

3036
02:06:51.840 --> 02:06:55.760
drooling mad men, or they could just be cold calculating sociopathy.

3037
02:06:55.880 --> 02:06:56.800
But there's something else.

3038
02:06:56.800 --> 02:06:59.560
There's something else, because we even missed one scene which

3039
02:06:59.600 --> 02:07:03.000
isn't a huge one, but Mason ends up getting Griffin's gun.

3040
02:07:03.119 --> 02:07:05.920
He has the spats, he has the shotgun, so he

3041
02:07:06.000 --> 02:07:08.119
actually fires on them, which is what alerts them to

3042
02:07:08.479 --> 02:07:10.479
go after him. To the water and whatnot. So he's

3043
02:07:10.479 --> 02:07:12.920
got a gun now. So Mason's back on the run

3044
02:07:13.000 --> 02:07:14.800
and he finds that he's on this cliff side. But

3045
02:07:14.800 --> 02:07:17.680
there's this giant tree that he can shoot down, which

3046
02:07:17.680 --> 02:07:19.760
he does to walk across the cliffs, but of course

3047
02:07:19.880 --> 02:07:22.199
shoots like six or seven shots, alerting.

3048
02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:24.960
Them towards the bullets too. But he knocks down this

3049
02:07:25.079 --> 02:07:28.159
log so he can go across this big canyon. Yeah,

3050
02:07:28.199 --> 02:07:30.119
but of course alerts them to where he is, and

3051
02:07:30.239 --> 02:07:32.560
also gives them because this tree is too he's not

3052
02:07:32.600 --> 02:07:34.319
gonna be able to shove it over when it gets across.

3053
02:07:34.560 --> 02:07:34.880
Yeah.

3054
02:07:35.000 --> 02:07:37.239
Yeah, it's a really cool moment. Although I don't know

3055
02:07:37.279 --> 02:07:39.800
that gun would actually be able to do that.

3056
02:07:40.159 --> 02:07:42.159
Maybe that would be the only unrealistic thing in this

3057
02:07:42.199 --> 02:07:45.760
whole thing. So shoots the tree down, climbs across it. Meanwhile,

3058
02:07:45.920 --> 02:07:47.840
the three of them catch up to it, and of

3059
02:07:47.880 --> 02:07:50.720
course rugger Hower's first to go across, and then mc

3060
02:07:50.760 --> 02:07:52.479
namara is getting ready to go, and you can see

3061
02:07:52.479 --> 02:07:54.000
that he's already kind of afraid of heights. So his

3062
02:07:54.119 --> 02:07:55.800
Fburry Abraham even pulls him back. He's like, you know,

3063
02:07:55.840 --> 02:07:57.560
you stay here. He's like, no, fuck you, I'm gonna

3064
02:07:57.560 --> 02:07:58.960
do no, fuck you dad.

3065
02:07:59.039 --> 02:08:01.439
Yeah, and then he just goes and did you notice

3066
02:08:01.720 --> 02:08:04.880
that Abraham seems proud of him. Yeah, he does. There's

3067
02:08:04.920 --> 02:08:06.359
like that moment where he looks at him like he

3068
02:08:06.359 --> 02:08:06.920
steps back.

3069
02:08:06.960 --> 02:08:09.479
Good. Yeah, good, No, that's fair. So Rugger Howard is

3070
02:08:09.520 --> 02:08:11.439
almost across and we see Mason on the other side

3071
02:08:11.479 --> 02:08:13.520
start throwing rocks at him, trying to knock him off,

3072
02:08:13.640 --> 02:08:16.880
which makes McNamara lose his balance. He slips over the

3073
02:08:16.920 --> 02:08:18.479
side of the rock while Rugger tries to take a

3074
02:08:18.479 --> 02:08:21.399
shot log of the log. Yeah, so he's like, you know, Dad,

3075
02:08:21.439 --> 02:08:24.520
help me out, I'm slipping. Murray gets across, Rugger gets across.

3076
02:08:24.520 --> 02:08:25.920
They do not get to him in time and make

3077
02:08:26.000 --> 02:08:26.840
Damara falls.

3078
02:08:26.920 --> 02:08:29.600
Rugger doesn't go to help at all. No, that's why

3079
02:08:29.840 --> 02:08:30.600
Abraham blame.

3080
02:08:30.720 --> 02:08:32.439
He takes the shot at Mason, he gets on the shoulder.

3081
02:08:32.439 --> 02:08:33.199
That's right exactly.

3082
02:08:33.279 --> 02:08:36.640
That's why that's what starts the full blown I'm blaming

3083
02:08:36.680 --> 02:08:38.239
you is that he didn't turn around to try and

3084
02:08:38.239 --> 02:08:40.079
help his son. He was like, no, I'm gonna kill

3085
02:08:40.119 --> 02:08:43.640
this guy. Yep, And and McNamara falls straight down to

3086
02:08:43.720 --> 02:08:44.920
a big pile of rocks.

3087
02:08:45.159 --> 02:08:47.319
Yeah, he's gone. He's gone yeah.

3088
02:08:47.359 --> 02:08:49.159
And then the first thing Rugger Howard does when he's

3089
02:08:49.159 --> 02:08:51.119
mad at him is he tells him like, well, we

3090
02:08:51.199 --> 02:08:53.119
have to kill him. He killed your son. Yep, he

3091
02:08:53.159 --> 02:08:55.439
did this, Like he's just he's such a manipulator.

3092
02:08:55.520 --> 02:08:57.399
Yeah, And I mean they're they're going at it, and

3093
02:08:57.439 --> 02:08:59.760
he's just like, listen to me, it's gonna be night soon.

3094
02:09:00.439 --> 02:09:02.920
All we have to do is hunker down, listen for

3095
02:09:02.960 --> 02:09:05.359
the sound act like fucking hunters.

3096
02:09:05.600 --> 02:09:08.399
Yeah, and then he and then great moment where f

3097
02:09:08.439 --> 02:09:11.279
Mary Abraham tells him like, Okay, but when this is over,

3098
02:09:11.680 --> 02:09:14.760
you and I'll set it up. And the way Rudger

3099
02:09:14.800 --> 02:09:18.319
Howard responds, he just has this like this oddly charming smirk.

3100
02:09:18.359 --> 02:09:20.039
Wray gooes, that'll be nice.

3101
02:09:20.159 --> 02:09:23.560
Yeah, And I like, I'm saying, like it's it's what

3102
02:09:23.720 --> 02:09:27.319
makes this movie. You remember it forever. I don't know

3103
02:09:27.800 --> 02:09:29.840
that I in a million years. I've I mean, I've

3104
02:09:29.880 --> 02:09:33.079
directed a couple movies. You know you can. I'm fine

3105
02:09:33.079 --> 02:09:34.439
if people to be like, yeah, but they were cheap,

3106
02:09:34.479 --> 02:09:37.239
that's totally fine. That's fair point. I've never made a

3107
02:09:37.279 --> 02:09:39.560
movie that costs millions of dollars and had a month

3108
02:09:39.600 --> 02:09:41.960
to film. Yeah, but I don't know as a performer

3109
02:09:42.079 --> 02:09:43.680
or as a director, if I ever would have thought

3110
02:09:43.680 --> 02:09:47.720
to be like just kind of have this little joyful

3111
02:09:47.760 --> 02:09:50.039
playing moment. I don't know if I would ever thought

3112
02:09:50.600 --> 02:09:52.039
of that. I think I just don't.

3113
02:09:52.319 --> 02:09:52.439
Like.

3114
02:09:52.720 --> 02:09:56.520
That's why Rudger Howard elevated anything he was in. I

3115
02:09:56.520 --> 02:09:59.800
mean even he was even good in fucking Turbulence three. Yeah,

3116
02:10:00.279 --> 02:10:03.680
he was in it very long. He was great. He's

3117
02:10:03.840 --> 02:10:07.279
just ah, yet he had it. I'm gonna tell you

3118
02:10:07.279 --> 02:10:09.640
a really short rud Gerhower story.

3119
02:10:09.680 --> 02:10:10.199
That's mine.

3120
02:10:10.680 --> 02:10:13.960
I never met Rudgarhwer, but years ago, I think I

3121
02:10:14.000 --> 02:10:16.239
was eighteen years old, I worked on a treatment for

3122
02:10:16.279 --> 02:10:19.640
a movie that was supposed to be big, and I

3123
02:10:19.760 --> 02:10:21.359
was very proud of the treatment. It was based on

3124
02:10:21.399 --> 02:10:24.520
a concept I was told I busted my ass writing

3125
02:10:24.560 --> 02:10:27.439
this really detailed treatment, and one of the main characters

3126
02:10:27.520 --> 02:10:32.640
was a priest who secretly raised like this child monster thing.

3127
02:10:33.000 --> 02:10:36.520
And when they were talking about developing it further, he

3128
02:10:36.600 --> 02:10:39.520
was like, do you have anybody in mind as the guy?

3129
02:10:39.600 --> 02:10:42.520
And I was like, rud Gerhwer like absolutely, And this

3130
02:10:42.560 --> 02:10:45.239
was when I knew that the entire project was totally fucked.

3131
02:10:46.239 --> 02:10:48.359
I said, rud Gerhauer and the guy didn't know he

3132
02:10:48.479 --> 02:10:50.560
was whatever. So he looks him up and then he goes,

3133
02:10:50.840 --> 02:10:53.760
I just don't know because I just imagined him as

3134
02:10:53.800 --> 02:10:56.399
like as like having dark hair, and I literally said,

3135
02:10:56.880 --> 02:11:01.239
if only there were a way to change a man's

3136
02:11:01.279 --> 02:11:04.920
hair color one day, science one day, and then I

3137
02:11:04.960 --> 02:11:07.079
emotionally stepped completely out of the project. Lually it went

3138
02:11:07.119 --> 02:11:08.720
nowhere anyway. Yeah, I would have made a lot of

3139
02:11:08.760 --> 02:11:11.359
money if I'd gotten to the well, I forget, I forget.

3140
02:11:11.399 --> 02:11:12.680
It was some of those ridiculous things where it was

3141
02:11:12.720 --> 02:11:14.800
like if it went to screenplay, I got five percent, Yeah,

3142
02:11:14.800 --> 02:11:16.960
which would have been stupid if it had happened. But

3143
02:11:17.000 --> 02:11:20.159
it did, never did. But but that was I literally

3144
02:11:20.199 --> 02:11:23.359
was like, Rudgor Howard be perfect blonde? Was the problem anyway?

3145
02:11:23.399 --> 02:11:25.560
Please? So we are now at the climax of the film.

3146
02:11:25.640 --> 02:11:29.319
So they are now in this little collection of branches

3147
02:11:29.359 --> 02:11:31.039
all around. I mean it basically looks like the end

3148
02:11:31.039 --> 02:11:32.399
of Predator in my opinion.

3149
02:11:32.159 --> 02:11:36.159
Yeah, oh totally so. But which is I think on purpose.

3150
02:11:35.880 --> 02:11:39.520
Not intentional, not necessarily to rip off predators, but because

3151
02:11:39.920 --> 02:11:44.000
standoff and they are predators, yes, they are hunting. Yeah,

3152
02:11:44.159 --> 02:11:47.800
So we are now just inside of this little little enclosure,

3153
02:11:47.880 --> 02:11:51.239
and we see that Wolf is losing it basically because

3154
02:11:51.239 --> 02:11:53.680
he keeps hearing these twig stapping. He's calling out to Mason.

3155
02:11:53.720 --> 02:11:55.600
He's like, I don't have a gun. Bang bang bang

3156
02:11:55.640 --> 02:11:56.279
bang bangs.

3157
02:11:56.319 --> 02:11:58.119
The message says, I don't even have a gun, Mason.

3158
02:11:58.119 --> 02:11:59.760
And then the moment hears us how he starts shooting

3159
02:11:59.800 --> 02:12:01.279
his gun and I was like, I love that. He's

3160
02:12:01.319 --> 02:12:03.359
not even a good liar anymore. So he ends up

3161
02:12:03.359 --> 02:12:06.159
getting circled by Mason. Mason charges him, they get into

3162
02:12:06.159 --> 02:12:08.319
a huge fight. It's a great reveal that he says,

3163
02:12:08.359 --> 02:12:11.840
just face me, Mason, and then Mason's right there. And

3164
02:12:12.079 --> 02:12:15.079
because it's dark and I and we've mentioned this before,

3165
02:12:15.119 --> 02:12:16.600
but like I don't know if you mentioned on the show,

3166
02:12:16.600 --> 02:12:21.239
but like on the VHS you couldn't see anything so dark,

3167
02:12:21.560 --> 02:12:23.960
and on the DVD barely you could kind of on

3168
02:12:24.039 --> 02:12:26.039
this blu ray, you see it. I really want this

3169
02:12:26.079 --> 02:12:26.840
to have an HDR.

3170
02:12:27.000 --> 02:12:29.319
Well, it's just like that the shot that you and

3171
02:12:29.359 --> 02:12:30.920
I both are thinking of. I think when we think

3172
02:12:30.960 --> 02:12:33.600
about this is rugger. Howard is hiding in this log

3173
02:12:33.800 --> 02:12:35.640
watching all this happen, and the only thing you can

3174
02:12:35.680 --> 02:12:38.079
see are his eyes. You couldn't see that before.

3175
02:12:38.079 --> 02:12:40.760
But it's the same thing with Mason. Mason has put

3176
02:12:40.880 --> 02:12:44.199
black goop all over his face. So when he's there

3177
02:12:44.239 --> 02:12:47.760
and he's baring his teeth, he's an animal. That's kind

3178
02:12:47.800 --> 02:12:50.479
of my point is like they're two different animals. Mason

3179
02:12:50.720 --> 02:12:54.920
is the actual apex predator showing his teeth, and then

3180
02:12:54.920 --> 02:12:59.079
we just see eyes peering out from the brush because

3181
02:12:59.079 --> 02:12:59.439
he's a.

3182
02:12:59.399 --> 02:13:03.239
Different and that's actually the blue right too. Yeah, which

3183
02:13:03.239 --> 02:13:05.920
the original post looks really weird. I wish it was

3184
02:13:05.960 --> 02:13:08.520
cooler looking. I liked I like the simple ones of

3185
02:13:08.560 --> 02:13:11.760
like just iced tea running with the target, the target

3186
02:13:11.760 --> 02:13:12.039
on him.

3187
02:13:12.159 --> 02:13:14.359
I think that's and that wasn't the best poster in

3188
02:13:14.359 --> 02:13:17.840
the world, but because the other were like, we gotta

3189
02:13:17.840 --> 02:13:19.159
put Bucy on this cover.

3190
02:13:19.760 --> 02:13:23.399
So so yeah, he ends up defeating uh Fburry Abraham

3191
02:13:23.600 --> 02:13:27.079
and that's when he goes after Burns. Burns is now

3192
02:13:27.199 --> 02:13:29.319
riding off towards the airspace, trying to get to a

3193
02:13:29.319 --> 02:13:31.800
plane coming up. Sun's coming up, so Mason gets out

3194
02:13:31.840 --> 02:13:34.279
of the brush. He sees the planes getting ready to leave,

3195
02:13:34.600 --> 02:13:36.359
goes up to it, and we also see a shot

3196
02:13:36.359 --> 02:13:38.199
of Burns in the plane. So we get faked out

3197
02:13:38.199 --> 02:13:40.600
along with Mason because as he approaches, he sees no

3198
02:13:40.680 --> 02:13:43.319
one's inside. But he also sees that this is all

3199
02:13:43.359 --> 02:13:47.399
obviously a trap because explode. Yeah, because rugger Hower immediately

3200
02:13:47.439 --> 02:13:50.119
just starts firing shots into the fuel tank. The plane

3201
02:13:50.159 --> 02:13:52.720
blows up, and he thinks he's got Mason, and Mason's dead,

3202
02:13:52.720 --> 02:13:56.039
and he even says, father, please forgive me, Please forgive me.

3203
02:13:56.039 --> 02:13:58.039
And then these and I don't know how you do that

3204
02:13:58.079 --> 02:14:00.680
effect because they did this effect in Sinners, but they

3205
02:14:00.720 --> 02:14:02.880
made it so his eyes are shining red.

3206
02:14:03.079 --> 02:14:04.760
He's got like a red nest, you though.

3207
02:14:04.680 --> 02:14:08.319
And that's a predator symbol. Predator animals. That's like the

3208
02:14:08.319 --> 02:14:09.520
one thing that can give them the way. And you

3209
02:14:09.560 --> 02:14:11.359
know why their I like why dogs eyes and stuff

3210
02:14:11.359 --> 02:14:13.800
glow like that, right? Why it's they're seeing better in

3211
02:14:13.800 --> 02:14:16.520
the dark that we do. It's that's what my understanding is.

3212
02:14:16.520 --> 02:14:19.319
I'm not an expert animal cats and dogs both will

3213
02:14:19.319 --> 02:14:20.880
do that. You know, you'll be like, WHOA, I can

3214
02:14:20.960 --> 02:14:22.159
kind of see a glow in your eye.

3215
02:14:22.600 --> 02:14:25.199
So burns flies out and we think that, you know,

3216
02:14:25.239 --> 02:14:28.119
Mason's possibly dead, except he rises from the ashes and

3217
02:14:28.279 --> 02:14:29.960
he looks out and watches him fly away.

3218
02:14:30.479 --> 02:14:33.239
Yeah, and it's and it's epic, it's super built up.

3219
02:14:33.520 --> 02:14:36.199
He stands up from the dirt and you realize that

3220
02:14:36.239 --> 02:14:39.720
he just barely survived. And the best part is we

3221
02:14:39.760 --> 02:14:41.920
don't even see this, but now he has to survive

3222
02:14:42.039 --> 02:14:42.960
escaping the canyon.

3223
02:14:43.079 --> 02:14:45.560
That's yeah, that is one thing that I do have

3224
02:14:45.640 --> 02:14:47.239
issue with. I wish we could see how he got back,

3225
02:14:47.239 --> 02:14:48.800
even though we kind of do get a hint.

3226
02:14:49.359 --> 02:14:52.760
But I don't think we need to because we've established

3227
02:14:53.239 --> 02:14:55.680
that this motherfucker has a will to live.

3228
02:14:55.720 --> 02:14:57.159
He's gonna do it. And this is.

3229
02:14:57.159 --> 02:14:59.840
Something that I love about this movie, and that I

3230
02:15:00.199 --> 02:15:04.279
about when a like survival kind of movie is done

3231
02:15:04.279 --> 02:15:08.159
really well, which is I love stories about how a

3232
02:15:08.199 --> 02:15:12.279
person's will to live can be so far beyond what

3233
02:15:12.399 --> 02:15:15.279
anyone could imagine. Yeah, like The Revenant, Yeah, that's a

3234
02:15:15.279 --> 02:15:17.399
really good example. He just keeps living. And that was

3235
02:15:17.439 --> 02:15:18.520
based on a true story.

3236
02:15:18.640 --> 02:15:19.560
Yes, he just keeps living.

3237
02:15:19.640 --> 02:15:23.399
Or like Gravity with Sandra Bullock, she just keeps living.

3238
02:15:24.359 --> 02:15:27.520
It's so good, so good. So now we are back

3239
02:15:27.520 --> 02:15:29.720
in Seattle. It's a few days later. We see that

3240
02:15:29.800 --> 02:15:32.159
Rugger Howard is changing his appearance to look like a priest.

3241
02:15:32.239 --> 02:15:35.319
He's dyeing his hair black. Imagine, imagine, how did they

3242
02:15:35.319 --> 02:15:37.680
get the technology? It was only nineteen ninety four, David,

3243
02:15:37.760 --> 02:15:39.439
how did you make his hair and up blonde?

3244
02:15:39.520 --> 02:15:42.399
I want to know. He's got various military uniforms laid out,

3245
02:15:42.479 --> 02:15:44.960
various passports, which you gave me the impression that it

3246
02:15:45.000 --> 02:15:46.760
was probably him and DNT we're gonna fly out together. Well,

3247
02:15:46.760 --> 02:15:49.760
and they both and there were two Army ranger uniforms yep,

3248
02:15:50.039 --> 02:15:53.520
which suggests that that's how they met. What I also

3249
02:15:53.560 --> 02:15:55.720
love is he's listening to his messages before he leaves,

3250
02:15:55.880 --> 02:15:58.479
and Wolfe's wife calls and she's just.

3251
02:15:58.399 --> 02:16:01.359
Like, hey, my husband and my on never return. It's

3252
02:16:01.399 --> 02:16:03.560
been three days or four days or whatever since they

3253
02:16:03.560 --> 02:16:06.319
were supposed to return. I'd really appreciate it.

3254
02:16:06.359 --> 02:16:08.760
Call back. So he puts on this fake mustache. He's

3255
02:16:08.760 --> 02:16:10.880
got this priest out that on, and he is walking

3256
02:16:10.880 --> 02:16:11.600
out to his car.

3257
02:16:11.840 --> 02:16:15.840
He's dressed like a an Orthodox priest. Yes, he's got

3258
02:16:15.840 --> 02:16:18.439
a hat, which is smart because that changes his appearance

3259
02:16:18.479 --> 02:16:19.920
the most. So he has his hair cued in a

3260
02:16:20.079 --> 02:16:22.520
in a in a braid. It's all black. He's dyed

3261
02:16:22.600 --> 02:16:25.840
his eyebrows and his facial hair, and he and he

3262
02:16:25.880 --> 02:16:28.039
goes to this car. It like beat up car that

3263
02:16:28.039 --> 02:16:32.280
I'm guessing he'd stashed had for an emergency inside. Yeah,

3264
02:16:32.319 --> 02:16:34.879
it's really bad and it won't start like it does

3265
02:16:35.000 --> 02:16:37.680
it clicks, it doesn't even it doesn't even remember at all.

3266
02:16:37.719 --> 02:16:39.479
So he decides he's going to get out and go

3267
02:16:39.559 --> 02:16:41.920
do the next location he's gonna go.

3268
02:16:42.000 --> 02:16:44.799
I'm assuming because it's in Seattle, that he's heading to Canada.

3269
02:16:44.879 --> 02:16:46.440
And I had mentioned to you, because I'm old enough

3270
02:16:46.440 --> 02:16:48.600
to remember, you could go to Canada with just a

3271
02:16:48.680 --> 02:16:50.559
driver's license back that if you were in a car,

3272
02:16:51.680 --> 02:16:54.159
because I the first time I went to Canada it was,

3273
02:16:54.200 --> 02:16:57.440
if I'm remember correctly, it was one year before the

3274
02:16:57.520 --> 02:17:01.040
instituted passport at the border on car five car man,

3275
02:17:01.040 --> 02:17:02.479
because it used to be you could go there with

3276
02:17:02.520 --> 02:17:04.239
just a driver's license. You just had to have a

3277
02:17:04.319 --> 02:17:06.840
state I d yeah, And I remember going up there

3278
02:17:06.840 --> 02:17:08.959
and it being so in hindsight, because I've crossed the

3279
02:17:08.959 --> 02:17:11.479
border many times since. In hindsight, I'm just like, man,

3280
02:17:11.840 --> 02:17:13.840
they just took my They just took me, and my

3281
02:17:13.879 --> 02:17:17.079
friend's IDs looked at him, asked us like fifteen questions

3282
02:17:17.520 --> 02:17:19.200
and then said, all right, all right, you know I

3283
02:17:19.360 --> 02:17:22.360
got in Canada. Ye, so I assume he was probably

3284
02:17:22.879 --> 02:17:26.840
making his way to either an airport or a bus. Yeah,

3285
02:17:27.360 --> 02:17:30.399
and and yeah, it's it's it's so great seeing how

3286
02:17:30.440 --> 02:17:33.120
he had like a complete plan of escape he did.

3287
02:17:33.159 --> 02:17:35.600
But also again it feeds into that thing. He had

3288
02:17:35.600 --> 02:17:38.280
a complete plan of escape for him and Coal and

3289
02:17:37.959 --> 02:17:42.879
Cold even referenced briefly that he had a wife and daughters. Yeah,

3290
02:17:43.120 --> 02:17:46.479
so they were both totally ready to bug out, and they.

3291
02:17:46.360 --> 02:17:49.000
Were ready to go together. So by this point he's walking,

3292
02:17:49.000 --> 02:17:51.000
he runs into a woman and he's and she's like,

3293
02:17:51.040 --> 02:17:53.760
you know, and he's blessed you, and she's like, do

3294
02:17:53.760 --> 02:17:54.959
you have anything to spare it out of my way?

3295
02:17:55.079 --> 02:17:58.040
Well, I'm homeless, ye, out of my way. Yeah, And

3296
02:17:58.120 --> 02:17:59.879
it's a great it's a great moment to show like

3297
02:18:00.040 --> 02:18:03.159
he's still a jerk. He's that that just is him.

3298
02:18:03.280 --> 02:18:07.680
Yeah. So he immediately sees a motorcycle off to the side.

3299
02:18:07.360 --> 02:18:09.159
And it's the dirt bike he had been driving. So

3300
02:18:09.239 --> 02:18:10.719
now he knows that Mason.

3301
02:18:10.479 --> 02:18:14.079
Mason is near, so he starts hearing Mason's voice. He

3302
02:18:14.120 --> 02:18:16.120
goes around a corner, pulls out his little rifle, that

3303
02:18:16.159 --> 02:18:17.280
he's had the entire film.

3304
02:18:17.319 --> 02:18:19.959
It was in this case that was pretty sure. It

3305
02:18:20.040 --> 02:18:21.639
was like a flute case. It was like an oboe

3306
02:18:21.719 --> 02:18:23.159
case or something musical instrument case.

3307
02:18:23.239 --> 02:18:26.040
Yeah. So Mason ends ambushing him Dave into a fight.

3308
02:18:26.120 --> 02:18:27.719
There's a whole thing that happens where he gets thrown

3309
02:18:27.719 --> 02:18:29.840
into an electrical panel. At one point, Mason gets the

3310
02:18:29.879 --> 02:18:31.920
gun and ruggers like, you know, shoot me.

3311
02:18:32.479 --> 02:18:36.159
And during this fight, Rugger is talking like it's person

3312
02:18:36.280 --> 02:18:37.760
Oh yeah for the first time.

3313
02:18:37.840 --> 02:18:41.040
Oh yeah, He's just like no Mercyson's like.

3314
02:18:41.319 --> 02:18:44.440
Freaking out of his gore y and Mason totally gets

3315
02:18:44.479 --> 02:18:46.959
the better room, gets the gun, has it to his face,

3316
02:18:47.280 --> 02:18:52.319
and again he's trying to manipulate. Yeah, he's like do it,

3317
02:18:52.440 --> 02:18:52.719
do it?

3318
02:18:52.799 --> 02:18:53.360
He does this thing.

3319
02:18:53.440 --> 02:18:55.239
It's like a it's like a director. Yeah, he just

3320
02:18:55.319 --> 02:18:57.559
like he has this moment he's like do it.

3321
02:18:57.680 --> 02:18:58.000
Do it.

3322
02:18:58.079 --> 02:19:01.120
He like gives him a cue. Yeah, now end the game.

3323
02:19:01.799 --> 02:19:04.399
And so he doesn't do it. He walks off a

3324
02:19:04.440 --> 02:19:06.239
little bit with the gun still in his hand, unloads it,

3325
02:19:06.239 --> 02:19:08.559
empties the chamber, takes the clip out, even throws it,

3326
02:19:08.920 --> 02:19:11.600
and then that's when Rugger scurries to the gun grabs

3327
02:19:11.639 --> 02:19:13.200
the one bullet on the ground.

3328
02:19:12.879 --> 02:19:14.879
The one that popped out of the chamber, gets the.

3329
02:19:14.799 --> 02:19:17.120
Gun, goes around the corner and he's like, hey, Mason,

3330
02:19:17.280 --> 02:19:19.559
And that's when you hear Mason go hey, Burns, something

3331
02:19:19.600 --> 02:19:21.520
you should always do? And he don't, you know what

3332
02:19:21.520 --> 02:19:23.120
you should always do when you find a gun? And

3333
02:19:23.159 --> 02:19:25.159
he goes say cheese, that's what I love. He goes,

3334
02:19:25.159 --> 02:19:27.840
sage cheese, cheese because he's looking through the scope. Yeah,

3335
02:19:27.879 --> 02:19:31.520
and he goes, always check the barrel and we zoom inside.

3336
02:19:31.639 --> 02:19:35.360
Well, it explodes first, and then he says, always checked

3337
02:19:35.360 --> 02:19:37.600
the barrel. What did he put in the barrel? Because

3338
02:19:37.600 --> 02:19:39.760
I feel like he just he just just trash. Okay,

3339
02:19:39.799 --> 02:19:43.200
well it was it was firearm stuff. Okay, I don't

3340
02:19:44.239 --> 02:19:46.520
I'm guessing that he just stuffed because he doesn't so

3341
02:19:46.680 --> 02:19:50.040
quick obviously when he pops the barrel, I had, for

3342
02:19:50.079 --> 02:19:50.680
some reason.

3343
02:19:50.559 --> 02:19:52.319
I had memory that the business card was in there.

3344
02:19:52.959 --> 02:19:54.280
It could have been there was like there was like

3345
02:19:54.319 --> 02:19:55.719
text on there, but it looked like it was like

3346
02:19:55.799 --> 02:19:58.600
firearm related. I'm not sure exactly what.

3347
02:19:58.680 --> 02:20:01.559
Yeah, the gun explodes, the credits come up, and that

3348
02:20:01.719 --> 02:20:04.760
is nineteen ninety four's Surviving.

3349
02:20:04.239 --> 02:20:06.360
The Game the most nineties part of the ending is

3350
02:20:06.399 --> 02:20:08.319
he says, always check the barrel, and then there's a

3351
02:20:08.360 --> 02:20:10.239
guitar course one.

3352
02:20:10.239 --> 02:20:12.079
I also love it because he throws away the cigarettes.

3353
02:20:12.120 --> 02:20:13.840
He throws away everything from the hunt.

3354
02:20:14.040 --> 02:20:16.399
Yeah, he just doesn't want well, but getting rid of

3355
02:20:16.399 --> 02:20:19.799
the cigarettes I think was a symbol not only of

3356
02:20:19.879 --> 02:20:22.440
his rejection of them, but maybe his rejection of not

3357
02:20:22.639 --> 02:20:26.440
valuing life anymore. That could be it, yes, because that's

3358
02:20:26.559 --> 02:20:29.200
really like I said, this is all about the idea

3359
02:20:29.239 --> 02:20:31.159
that there was a man with nothing to lose yep,

3360
02:20:31.600 --> 02:20:34.399
who had no will to live anymore, and he didn't

3361
02:20:34.440 --> 02:20:38.040
realize that in reality he had so much more to

3362
02:20:38.239 --> 02:20:40.639
him than even they imagine. They thought he would be

3363
02:20:40.760 --> 02:20:44.760
a just a really spelt turkey that could run quickly yep,

3364
02:20:44.959 --> 02:20:46.840
and he was way beier.

3365
02:20:47.239 --> 02:20:48.959
Yeah yeah, yeah, So what do you want to guess?

3366
02:20:49.000 --> 02:20:54.040
The budget was like eight seven million, four hundred thousand

3367
02:20:54.639 --> 02:20:57.639
opening weekend. It takes in two million, nine hundred thousand dollars,

3368
02:20:57.680 --> 02:21:00.840
which is April seventeenth of nineteen ninety four, gross worldwide

3369
02:21:00.920 --> 02:21:03.399
seven million, seven hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars. So

3370
02:21:03.399 --> 02:21:05.239
it didn't do great, didn't do great, but again had

3371
02:21:05.239 --> 02:21:07.399
already made its money before it even shot. Sure Sure

3372
02:21:07.559 --> 02:21:11.600
a shot in Wnachie, Washington, as well as Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3373
02:21:11.840 --> 02:21:12.799
forty day shoot.

3374
02:21:13.319 --> 02:21:15.959
I don't believe they actually ever filmed in Philadelphia. I

3375
02:21:15.959 --> 02:21:18.200
think that that got one shot. I think, well, well,

3376
02:21:18.200 --> 02:21:20.440
there's the establishing shot of Seattle. For some reason, they

3377
02:21:20.479 --> 02:21:23.840
use a very obvious shot of Philadelphia. I think that's

3378
02:21:23.879 --> 02:21:26.840
I think that's where they shot some in Philadelpia. I

3379
02:21:26.840 --> 02:21:28.920
think it really was just that establishing shot, which I'm

3380
02:21:28.920 --> 02:21:31.440
guessing was just something they had laying around in the

3381
02:21:31.559 --> 02:21:32.319
edit bay or something.

3382
02:21:32.600 --> 02:21:34.680
Ernist Dickerson was working with new Line when he found

3383
02:21:34.719 --> 02:21:37.040
the screenplay for Surviving the Game. Having been a fan

3384
02:21:37.079 --> 02:21:39.479
of Most Dangerous Game short story and the nineteen thirty

3385
02:21:39.479 --> 02:21:41.840
four film of the same name, he instantly pictured an

3386
02:21:41.879 --> 02:21:45.120
African lead for the film, originally suggesting Laurence Fishburne, who

3387
02:21:45.120 --> 02:21:47.280
had just made waves of his performance in Deep Cover

3388
02:21:47.520 --> 02:21:50.959
two years prior. New Line unfortunately blamed Fishburne for the

3389
02:21:50.959 --> 02:21:53.799
failure of Deep Cover and passed on the suggestion. Having

3390
02:21:53.840 --> 02:21:56.879
recently seen Trespass and been wild with Iced Tea's performance,

3391
02:21:56.959 --> 02:21:59.399
Dickerson suggested ic t to new Line, who agreed to

3392
02:21:59.399 --> 02:22:00.079
offer him at.

3393
02:22:00.600 --> 02:22:02.799
Well, and I'm sure Dickerson had to be familiar with

3394
02:22:02.840 --> 02:22:05.000
Ice even though Ice was and you know, Ice was

3395
02:22:05.000 --> 02:22:07.079
also a Jersey He was from Jersey although he grew

3396
02:22:07.120 --> 02:22:09.559
up in La Yeah, and he was a West Coast guy.

3397
02:22:09.719 --> 02:22:13.280
One thousand percent. There's no way with how plugged into

3398
02:22:13.840 --> 02:22:16.200
that world Ernest Dickerson was, because you got to remember it, like,

3399
02:22:16.239 --> 02:22:18.040
he didn't just do Spike Lee movies and stuff. I

3400
02:22:18.079 --> 02:22:21.600
mean he made Juice with Tupac and he shot Crush.

3401
02:22:21.399 --> 02:22:25.360
Groove, Yeah, which was fat Boys. Oh you can eat.

3402
02:22:26.399 --> 02:22:29.040
Dickerson recalled on the commentary that he had taken Ice

3403
02:22:29.399 --> 02:22:31.799
to He had taken Iced Tea and Jeff Corey, who

3404
02:22:31.840 --> 02:22:34.479
played Hank in the film, to dinner early in production stages.

3405
02:22:34.799 --> 02:22:36.799
Ice Tea was under scrutiny at the time due to

3406
02:22:36.840 --> 02:22:39.399
his band body Count, having stirred controversy with their song

3407
02:22:39.440 --> 02:22:42.319
cop Killer. Due to cop Killer, Dickerson commented that the

3408
02:22:42.360 --> 02:22:45.280
production had to hire private security as local law enforcement

3409
02:22:45.360 --> 02:22:47.559
was not interested in helping them since Ice was involved

3410
02:22:47.559 --> 02:22:48.159
with the project.

3411
02:22:48.520 --> 02:22:51.479
Yeah, I mean it was. That was a controversial move.

3412
02:22:51.600 --> 02:22:54.200
Yeah. At the dinner, Corey and Ice hit iceed t

3413
02:22:54.360 --> 02:22:56.760
Hit off a conversation easy, as Corey was a former

3414
02:22:56.799 --> 02:22:59.440
actor who'd been involved in the Red Scare, and, like Ice,

3415
02:22:59.479 --> 02:23:01.719
had been black listed from Hollywood as a result of

3416
02:23:01.760 --> 02:23:03.159
not providing any names.

3417
02:23:03.680 --> 02:23:06.280
No way, Yeah, that's fascinating.

3418
02:23:06.399 --> 02:23:08.879
Yeah. A meeting had been set up with Dickerson and

3419
02:23:08.959 --> 02:23:11.520
Rugger Howard to go over the project. Dickerson had been

3420
02:23:11.559 --> 02:23:14.120
warned that Howard could be an very intense guy and

3421
02:23:14.159 --> 02:23:16.840
to be careful with him. His anxiousness soon went away

3422
02:23:16.840 --> 02:23:18.680
within the first few minutes of the meeting, and the

3423
02:23:18.719 --> 02:23:21.079
meeting ended up lasting over four hours, where at the

3424
02:23:21.200 --> 02:23:24.399
end Rugger agreed to join the film. Damn yeah.

3425
02:23:24.479 --> 02:23:27.000
I mean, I can't imagine Rugger Howard read that script

3426
02:23:27.000 --> 02:23:27.639
and not want to do it.

3427
02:23:27.680 --> 02:23:30.360
Oh yeah. According to Dickerson, Bob Shay and his production

3428
02:23:30.440 --> 02:23:33.159
partner Robert Perma had become bitter enemies by the time

3429
02:23:33.200 --> 02:23:35.280
production rolled around on the film, as the movie had

3430
02:23:35.319 --> 02:23:38.280
already been pre sold overseas due to the cast. New

3431
02:23:38.360 --> 02:23:40.280
Line saw it as they had already made their money

3432
02:23:40.280 --> 02:23:42.600
back before the film had been shot, and therefore offered

3433
02:23:42.719 --> 02:23:46.159
very little assistance or extra money on the production. Dickerson

3434
02:23:46.159 --> 02:23:48.360
attributes the experience to why the film turned out to

3435
02:23:48.360 --> 02:23:50.360
be fifty percent of the film he wanted to make,

3436
02:23:50.600 --> 02:23:52.440
but in the end, he is ultimately happy with the

3437
02:23:52.440 --> 02:23:55.120
performances in the film more than anything. Also, why the

3438
02:23:55.120 --> 02:23:57.399
film did not have a marketing campaign.

3439
02:23:57.319 --> 02:24:00.399
I believe that, and I do believe that the movie

3440
02:24:00.440 --> 02:24:03.079
is a bit uneven. Yeah, once you get about an

3441
02:24:03.079 --> 02:24:05.760
hour in, it definitely feels truncated.

3442
02:24:05.879 --> 02:24:08.520
Yeah, very much. While Stuart Copeland, a former member of

3443
02:24:08.520 --> 02:24:11.000
the band The Police, provided the incredible score for the film,

3444
02:24:11.079 --> 02:24:14.799
Dickerson's original choice was musician Ry Cooter, whom Dickerson had

3445
02:24:14.840 --> 02:24:16.719
shown a rough edit of the film too without the

3446
02:24:16.719 --> 02:24:19.360
score and enjoyed it. However, New Line did not want

3447
02:24:19.399 --> 02:24:21.479
to pay his asking price, and Dickerson then moved on

3448
02:24:21.520 --> 02:24:24.399
to offer the job to Copeland, who accepted. I.

3449
02:24:24.479 --> 02:24:27.479
Yeah, I it definitely seemed that way to me, Like

3450
02:24:27.520 --> 02:24:28.879
they were just kind of like, we have this little

3451
02:24:28.879 --> 02:24:31.280
action thing and we don't have to really worry about

3452
02:24:31.319 --> 02:24:34.239
it too much. And politics always plays a big part

3453
02:24:34.319 --> 02:24:36.479
in those big studio things. New Line was the biggest

3454
02:24:36.520 --> 02:24:37.719
little studio in the world.

3455
02:24:37.879 --> 02:24:38.159
Yeah.

3456
02:24:38.159 --> 02:24:40.959
And Bob Shea was Bob Shay in his great moments,

3457
02:24:41.000 --> 02:24:42.319
and he has rough moments.

3458
02:24:41.920 --> 02:24:44.159
Copeland had done the music for Wall Street as well

3459
02:24:44.200 --> 02:24:45.840
as Rumblefish at this point too. Yeah.

3460
02:24:45.879 --> 02:24:48.239
I mean, if he wasn't nobody for it. Yeah.

3461
02:24:48.239 --> 02:24:49.920
When it came to the design of the Hunter's cabin

3462
02:24:49.959 --> 02:24:52.200
in the Woods, Dickerson gave only one direction to his

3463
02:24:52.280 --> 02:24:54.920
set designer. Everything in the cabin must be made of

3464
02:24:54.920 --> 02:24:56.159
something that was once alive.

3465
02:24:56.799 --> 02:25:01.520
God, that's so smart. It would it the decorator. Oh yeah, yeah,

3466
02:25:01.520 --> 02:25:02.319
that's so smart.

3467
02:25:02.639 --> 02:25:04.719
When ic T discovers the heads of the previous humans

3468
02:25:04.760 --> 02:25:07.600
hunting for Sport, one of the name plates reads s Pollard.

3469
02:25:07.639 --> 02:25:09.440
This was done as a nod to the film's editor,

3470
02:25:09.520 --> 02:25:12.120
Sam Pollard, who is no relation to the film critic

3471
02:25:12.200 --> 02:25:16.799
Ryan Pollard. No sets or sound stages were used. The

3472
02:25:17.000 --> 02:25:19.000
entire movie was shot in real locations.

3473
02:25:19.840 --> 02:25:21.920
That surprises me. Yeah a lot.

3474
02:25:22.079 --> 02:25:24.159
The landing strip in the cabin see in the movie

3475
02:25:24.680 --> 02:25:27.799
are at Lake Weinachi State Airport, Washington, which is very

3476
02:25:27.799 --> 02:25:30.319
close to civilization. The cabin has since been torn down

3477
02:25:30.360 --> 02:25:33.040
and replaced with larger buildings a few yards of the southeast.

3478
02:25:33.159 --> 02:25:38.120
Almost all of the city scenes were filmed in downtown Wnachi, Washington.

3479
02:25:38.200 --> 02:25:39.840
Most of the scenes were filmed in the two block

3480
02:25:39.840 --> 02:25:44.399
perimeter of Mission Ornando, Palehouse, and Columbia Streets, plus the

3481
02:25:44.399 --> 02:25:46.959
alley behind Liberty Theater off to the Mission Street. The

3482
02:25:47.000 --> 02:25:50.360
area includes the infamous Bruce Hotel, which became Bruce Transitional

3483
02:25:50.360 --> 02:25:52.319
Housing for the homeless in the early two thousands.

3484
02:25:52.399 --> 02:25:54.799
Yeah, I've heard a lot of stories. When I used

3485
02:25:54.840 --> 02:25:57.399
to read IMDb message boards about surviving the game, people

3486
02:25:57.440 --> 02:25:59.159
used to talk a lot about like, I can't believe

3487
02:25:59.200 --> 02:26:01.079
I'm from Winachi. One day, I'm just watching this movie

3488
02:26:01.079 --> 02:26:04.719
on cable and there's the Bruce, the legendary flophouse, the

3489
02:26:04.719 --> 02:26:05.559
Bruce Hotel.

3490
02:26:06.000 --> 02:26:08.360
It was Rugger Howard's idea that Thomas Burns rides a

3491
02:26:08.399 --> 02:26:11.799
Kawasaki twin cylinder six to fifty motorcycle. Howard owned one

3492
02:26:11.840 --> 02:26:13.479
of these bikes and felt that by riding one in

3493
02:26:13.520 --> 02:26:15.559
the movie, his character would stand out as a leader

3494
02:26:15.559 --> 02:26:17.719
of the hunting pack. He also claimed that the bike

3495
02:26:17.799 --> 02:26:20.120
had the appearance of an iron horse, giving Thomas Burns

3496
02:26:20.159 --> 02:26:21.159
the look of a warrior knight.

3497
02:26:21.479 --> 02:26:24.040
I do always remember it stuck out that he was

3498
02:26:24.040 --> 02:26:26.000
on a bike and everybody else we on AGTVS.

3499
02:26:26.079 --> 02:26:26.719
Yeah.

3500
02:26:26.760 --> 02:26:29.319
When Gary Busey arrived on set, he questioned his character

3501
02:26:29.360 --> 02:26:31.639
with Dickerson, wondering how he was supposed to play him

3502
02:26:31.719 --> 02:26:34.600
up as a comedic or serious. Busey was enthused to

3503
02:26:34.639 --> 02:26:36.879
learn that Hawkins had been based on an article Dickerson

3504
02:26:36.920 --> 02:26:38.959
had read about a white supremacist who'd had a dog

3505
02:26:39.000 --> 02:26:41.079
that had been missing for two weeks, only to discover

3506
02:26:41.159 --> 02:26:42.840
his father had locked the dog in a shed and

3507
02:26:42.879 --> 02:26:44.760
told his son one day that he was to enter

3508
02:26:44.799 --> 02:26:46.479
the shed and fight the dog to see who would

3509
02:26:46.479 --> 02:26:48.440
emerge from the shed one or the other. It was

3510
02:26:48.479 --> 02:26:50.399
price starving the dog to make it vicious.

3511
02:26:50.520 --> 02:26:53.319
Upon hearing this, Dickerson recalls, Busey did a little excited

3512
02:26:53.360 --> 02:26:56.040
dance around the set, coming back to Dickerson stating, Ernest,

3513
02:26:56.079 --> 02:26:57.360
you really watered my garden.

3514
02:26:57.840 --> 02:27:00.399
That that's such a beausy thing to hear, Yeah, that

3515
02:27:00.479 --> 02:27:01.520
sounds like beaucy.

3516
02:27:01.799 --> 02:27:04.959
F Murray Abraham suffered a serious accident while leaving set

3517
02:27:04.959 --> 02:27:06.719
one night. The cabin was an hour away from the

3518
02:27:06.719 --> 02:27:09.280
hotel where the cast and crew were staying. Murray decided

3519
02:27:09.319 --> 02:27:11.280
to drive himself and ended up in a bad car

3520
02:27:11.319 --> 02:27:13.760
accident when a driver ran a stop sign an intersection,

3521
02:27:13.879 --> 02:27:16.879
smashing into his car, causing Murray to fracture his risk

3522
02:27:17.040 --> 02:27:20.360
break three ribs, along with facial lacerations. This caused the

3523
02:27:20.360 --> 02:27:22.600
production to need to shoot around Murray's injuries, which is

3524
02:27:22.600 --> 02:27:25.399
why his character is seen wearing gloves and goggles predominantly

3525
02:27:25.440 --> 02:27:27.879
the second half of the film. Oh man, that makes

3526
02:27:27.920 --> 02:27:30.319
so much sense. Murray's agent told him to quit the production,

3527
02:27:30.399 --> 02:27:32.879
but Murray pushed through, often being on drugs to deal

3528
02:27:32.920 --> 02:27:34.959
with the pain. There's actually one incident too where the

3529
02:27:35.079 --> 02:27:37.079
walk in the river, he actually fell and the bone

3530
02:27:37.079 --> 02:27:42.040
came out of his hand. Oh my god. Ah. While

3531
02:27:42.079 --> 02:27:44.559
shooting in the mountains offered great shots on location and

3532
02:27:44.639 --> 02:27:47.799
also limited operational hours for daylight, which quickly started putting

3533
02:27:47.840 --> 02:27:51.239
the production behind. Dickerson recalls they began ripping pages out

3534
02:27:51.239 --> 02:27:53.680
of the screenplay and increased the speed for shooting, limiting

3535
02:27:53.680 --> 02:27:55.479
the number of takes that they could do on scenes.

3536
02:27:55.840 --> 02:27:58.840
This led to a large portion invasions backstory being cut out,

3537
02:27:58.879 --> 02:28:01.079
linking his street smarts to his survival in the woods

3538
02:28:01.079 --> 02:28:03.360
to beat the hunters. Also why there is only one

3539
02:28:03.360 --> 02:28:06.360
take of Bucy's death scene. Despite Ucy offering to pay

3540
02:28:06.399 --> 02:28:09.120
out a pocket for another take, Dickerson had to decline

3541
02:28:09.200 --> 02:28:11.920
to the decline the offer for fear of production being

3542
02:28:11.920 --> 02:28:15.600
shut down. Yeah, yeah, that could cause trouble. Yeah. One day,

3543
02:28:15.639 --> 02:28:18.200
while working with the Dolly Track Entertainment, Tonight was visiting

3544
02:28:18.200 --> 02:28:20.159
the set to shoot behind the scenes piece for the show.

3545
02:28:20.280 --> 02:28:22.920
The show crew watched as the production used the Dolly

3546
02:28:22.959 --> 02:28:25.520
set up four times. However, on the fourth time, an

3547
02:28:25.680 --> 02:28:28.079
error occurred and the camera went off the track, crashing.

3548
02:28:28.440 --> 02:28:31.239
Dickerson was embarrassed, but not surprised to see this exact

3549
02:28:31.239 --> 02:28:33.120
shot ended up on their piece about the film when

3550
02:28:33.120 --> 02:28:33.799
the story premiered.

3551
02:28:33.920 --> 02:28:36.799
Of course, it's the most interesting thing, because that's like

3552
02:28:37.600 --> 02:28:40.000
when I work on projects sometimes, Like I'm shooting at

3553
02:28:40.040 --> 02:28:42.840
a friend's really awesome house and they were like, oh,

3554
02:28:42.840 --> 02:28:44.799
we're hoping we'll be home enough to watch you work,

3555
02:28:44.799 --> 02:28:47.920
and I'm like, it's not exciting when it goes well, yeah,

3556
02:28:47.959 --> 02:28:48.799
it's exciting for me.

3557
02:28:50.159 --> 02:28:52.639
Charles Dunton improvised the line he ain't the last pig,

3558
02:28:52.680 --> 02:28:56.719
shortly before his character dies. Scenes involving the river chase

3559
02:28:56.760 --> 02:28:59.200
were cut together with shots of four different bodies of water,

3560
02:28:59.239 --> 02:29:01.840
as when production had reached what Dickerson referred to as

3561
02:29:01.879 --> 02:29:04.920
the raging waters, a drought had occurred, slowing down the streams.

3562
02:29:04.959 --> 02:29:07.479
Of course, of course, despite the ending of the movie

3563
02:29:07.479 --> 02:29:10.440
taking place in Seattle, Washington. For some reason, production filmed

3564
02:29:10.479 --> 02:29:13.159
and used as an established shot of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania from

3565
02:29:13.200 --> 02:29:15.879
the vantage point of the South Street Bridge. Several key

3566
02:29:15.959 --> 02:29:18.959
identifiable landmarks are visible in the shot, obviously the nothing

3567
02:29:19.000 --> 02:29:21.200
resembling a space needle to even vaguely pass it on

3568
02:29:21.239 --> 02:29:22.280
as the intended location.

3569
02:29:22.879 --> 02:29:25.520
Yeah, so I've spent a decent amount of time in Philadelphia,

3570
02:29:25.840 --> 02:29:30.760
and it is so painfully obvious that it's Philadelphia.

3571
02:29:30.840 --> 02:29:32.920
In the same year this movie was released, Ice Tea's

3572
02:29:33.000 --> 02:29:35.399
metal band body Count recorded an unrelated song with the

3573
02:29:35.440 --> 02:29:37.680
title Surviving the Game, which appeared on their second album,

3574
02:29:37.719 --> 02:29:38.239
Born Dead.

3575
02:29:38.440 --> 02:29:41.079
It's actually not a bad song. People didn't like Born

3576
02:29:41.159 --> 02:29:43.520
Dead that much. I think I think it aged well,

3577
02:29:43.559 --> 02:29:44.520
it's a lot of moshpits.

3578
02:29:44.600 --> 02:29:46.079
It was an odd one. Yeah, well, I.

3579
02:29:46.000 --> 02:29:48.799
Think that the Moshpits songs kind of they're not as

3580
02:29:49.600 --> 02:29:52.239
lyrically dense, So I think some people kind of like

3581
02:29:52.280 --> 02:29:54.079
got turned off to it. Maybe, But I love that

3582
02:29:54.120 --> 02:29:57.200
Born Dead album. Nothing can beat the body Count self

3583
02:29:57.200 --> 02:29:59.079
titled Oh No, It's incredible.

3584
02:29:58.840 --> 02:30:01.639
So good. A screenwriter Eric Burnt later expressed regret by

3585
02:30:01.760 --> 02:30:04.159
killing off doc Hawkins, who was Gary Busey so early,

3586
02:30:04.200 --> 02:30:06.120
and have given the chance to go back and change things.

3587
02:30:06.200 --> 02:30:08.520
He would have killed off Wolf Senior at Murray Abraham

3588
02:30:08.639 --> 02:30:10.799
first and have Hawkins take over the role of a

3589
02:30:10.799 --> 02:30:13.920
father figure to Wolf Junior. It has speculated that Abraham's

3590
02:30:13.959 --> 02:30:16.799
oscar win guaranteed him a more prolific character in the movie.

3591
02:30:16.840 --> 02:30:19.200
In Busey's experience, that could make sense.

3592
02:30:19.239 --> 02:30:21.200
Man, that would be a really fascinating thing if you

3593
02:30:21.360 --> 02:30:24.159
started just like shrinking that kid's head.

3594
02:30:24.000 --> 02:30:25.920
About his dad dying. Oh, that's a whole other movie.

3595
02:30:26.000 --> 02:30:27.479
Yeah, that would have been fascinating.

3596
02:30:27.799 --> 02:30:29.440
The deer scene running through the woods at the start

3597
02:30:29.479 --> 02:30:31.879
of the hunt was provided via an animal wrangler and

3598
02:30:31.920 --> 02:30:34.319
made Dickerson laugh at its arrival, as the deer only

3599
02:30:34.360 --> 02:30:36.920
had one antler, causing them to shoot wide shots versus

3600
02:30:36.959 --> 02:30:38.799
close up. Although it is clear and one shot the

3601
02:30:38.799 --> 02:30:40.399
deer does in fact only have one antler.

3602
02:30:40.479 --> 02:30:43.639
Sometimes deers only have one antler because they shed them. Yeah,

3603
02:30:43.680 --> 02:30:45.120
so I mean it is what it is.

3604
02:30:45.239 --> 02:30:47.360
The scene where Mason uses a shotgun to shoot down

3605
02:30:47.399 --> 02:30:49.079
a tree to cross over the cliff was done on

3606
02:30:49.079 --> 02:30:51.479
an actual cliff side that Dickerson chose solely for the

3607
02:30:51.479 --> 02:30:54.120
real background shot it provided the scene. This required a

3608
02:30:54.120 --> 02:30:56.239
fake tree trunk to be constructed, along with a fake

3609
02:30:56.239 --> 02:30:58.200
cliff side that iced Tea and the Hunters would eventually

3610
02:30:58.239 --> 02:30:58.719
cross two.

3611
02:30:59.120 --> 02:31:02.319
Wow, well it's gorgeous. The whole movie is so gorgeous.

3612
02:31:02.319 --> 02:31:05.120
Oh yeah. Dickerson's first time working with green screen occurred

3613
02:31:05.159 --> 02:31:07.840
in the scene where McNamara's meets his demise. While McNamara

3614
02:31:07.840 --> 02:31:09.959
did the stunt himself, the green screen was used below

3615
02:31:10.040 --> 02:31:12.399
him to simulate the high fall his character experience to

3616
02:31:12.520 --> 02:31:15.760
the ground. Ah, Very Hans Gruber as Very hanscrew Usk.

3617
02:31:16.079 --> 02:31:18.639
While Dickerson still has disappointment with the final product, he

3618
02:31:18.680 --> 02:31:20.840
credits Surviving the Game as the film that scored him

3619
02:31:20.879 --> 02:31:23.079
demon night, as he brought in producers Gil Adler and

3620
02:31:23.120 --> 02:31:25.760
Al Katz check out the film upon completing the sound mix.

3621
02:31:26.040 --> 02:31:28.479
Dickerson also says he's tickled every time he needs a

3622
02:31:28.479 --> 02:31:30.040
fan who brings up their love for the film, as

3623
02:31:30.040 --> 02:31:32.159
it's clear it has a larger fan base than expected,

3624
02:31:32.200 --> 02:31:33.479
one of which is Snoop Dogg.

3625
02:31:34.000 --> 02:31:36.760
I mean that movie kicks ass. Oh, this movie kicks ass.

3626
02:31:36.799 --> 02:31:38.600
That's all that's all there is to it, Dickerson.

3627
02:31:39.120 --> 02:31:41.719
Dickerson credits many of the gun choices, stealth moves and

3628
02:31:41.840 --> 02:31:44.959
execution tactics, and more to a technical advisor on the film,

3629
02:31:45.040 --> 02:31:48.079
he simply named Bob, who was a retired seal with

3630
02:31:48.159 --> 02:31:51.479
combat experience. The first meeting occurred as Bob recommended that

3631
02:31:51.520 --> 02:31:54.760
the rifle Howard's character use by inviting Dickerson out to

3632
02:31:54.920 --> 02:31:56.959
and his assistant out to his car, where he produced

3633
02:31:56.959 --> 02:31:59.040
a bag of guns, pulling out the rifle that would

3634
02:31:59.040 --> 02:32:03.840
eventually agree for his character. And Lastly, Dickerson's own mother

3635
02:32:03.879 --> 02:32:05.479
has a cameo in the film as the woman with

3636
02:32:05.479 --> 02:32:07.280
the bloody nose and the taxi when the dog gets

3637
02:32:07.319 --> 02:32:09.600
run over at the beginning. I love that. I love that.

3638
02:32:09.600 --> 02:32:11.639
That's his mom. That makes me. That makes me happy.

3639
02:32:11.760 --> 02:32:14.760
What are your final thoughts on surviving the game? Look?

3640
02:32:15.360 --> 02:32:20.280
Uh, own it and fuck yourself if you don't agree. Yeah,

3641
02:32:20.399 --> 02:32:23.479
it's a it's a it's a nineties time capsule, but

3642
02:32:23.600 --> 02:32:26.840
it's a it's a time capsule of really great things. Yes,

3643
02:32:27.040 --> 02:32:31.360
the actors are all at their peak of everything. I mean,

3644
02:32:31.639 --> 02:32:34.959
everybody is so fucking good. Yeah, And I really do

3645
02:32:35.000 --> 02:32:36.680
think that, you know, this was very early in ic

3646
02:32:36.719 --> 02:32:39.719
tving in movies. I think that working with those actors

3647
02:32:39.760 --> 02:32:42.280
may elevated him. I think that being able to bounce

3648
02:32:42.319 --> 02:32:44.639
off of people like Rudger Howard and John C. McGinley,

3649
02:32:44.680 --> 02:32:47.600
all these people, I think it made him better. Yeah,

3650
02:32:47.639 --> 02:32:52.520
and I just I I have so much fucking hederation

3651
02:32:53.040 --> 02:32:54.840
for how fun this movie is and how much it

3652
02:32:54.879 --> 02:32:57.520
has to say, even with all of the you know,

3653
02:32:57.600 --> 02:32:59.000
the drawbacks they had to deal with.

3654
02:32:59.079 --> 02:33:01.360
Yeah, it's an otif me as well. I think it's

3655
02:33:01.360 --> 02:33:04.239
simply one of the best adaptations of the Most Dangerous Game,

3656
02:33:04.520 --> 02:33:06.239
next to the nineteen thirty four movie, which I do

3657
02:33:06.280 --> 02:33:09.079
also recommend. But this is a time capsule, like you said,

3658
02:33:09.120 --> 02:33:11.159
of the nineties. It has a lot of great action,

3659
02:33:11.239 --> 02:33:13.479
it's under ninety five minutes and you're in and out.

3660
02:33:13.719 --> 02:33:16.440
I mean it even takes place near the birth of grunge. Yeah,

3661
02:33:16.479 --> 02:33:21.479
you know, Seattle. It's it's a movie that really hits

3662
02:33:21.600 --> 02:33:24.879
nineties and nineties was just starting really because you know,

3663
02:33:24.959 --> 02:33:29.520
the decades don't really end where they end on the calendar. Yeah,

3664
02:33:28.360 --> 02:33:34.239
it's everything that was great about the nineties mentality in

3665
02:33:34.360 --> 02:33:35.639
a classic story.

3666
02:33:35.760 --> 02:33:37.760
Yeah, I mean, there's really no reason not to own it.

3667
02:33:37.799 --> 02:33:40.440
With that Blu Ray release now too, it's gorgeous, it's amazing.

3668
02:33:40.520 --> 02:33:42.239
So we als like in the show with a couple

3669
02:33:42.280 --> 02:33:44.600
of recommendations. The first one I have this week is

3670
02:33:44.719 --> 02:33:47.840
nineteen ninety two's Death Ring, currently available on Roku and

3671
02:33:47.840 --> 02:33:51.120
rentable on Prime and Fandango. When X Special Forces Agent

3672
02:33:51.200 --> 02:33:54.319
Matt Collins wins the Survivalist competition, he becomes the toughest

3673
02:33:54.319 --> 02:33:58.159
man alive, perfect fodder for perverse millionaire Donald Box, who

3674
02:33:58.200 --> 02:34:01.799
is an annual manhunt attracts the most vicious killers. And

3675
02:34:01.879 --> 02:34:05.239
if you need more reason to here's just here's just

3676
02:34:05.280 --> 02:34:09.120
a few names. We have Norris, Billy Drego, McQueen, don

3677
02:34:09.159 --> 02:34:13.639
Swayzey because that's Mike Norris, Chad McQueen, don Swayzey, along

3678
02:34:13.680 --> 02:34:14.239
with Billy.

3679
02:34:14.040 --> 02:34:17.079
Draco golf clapping on that solid, solid one.

3680
02:34:17.559 --> 02:34:19.520
And the next one I'm gonna do is nineteen eighty

3681
02:34:19.559 --> 02:34:22.799
six is Avenging Force, currently on Prime Video, MGM plus

3682
02:34:22.799 --> 02:34:25.760
and two by A Senator is targeted by the Pentangle,

3683
02:34:25.840 --> 02:34:28.959
a right wing paramilitary group. His pow, former CIA agent

3684
02:34:29.079 --> 02:34:31.920
Martial Artist, tries to help him. The group kidnaps the

3685
02:34:31.920 --> 02:34:34.760
agent's sister and tries to hunt him down. Most dangerous

3686
02:34:34.760 --> 02:34:38.159
game style Michael Dudokof's one of his best movies. Avenging

3687
02:34:38.159 --> 02:34:40.600
Force cannot recommend this movie enough. It is insane and

3688
02:34:40.680 --> 02:34:45.639
also child peril to a t Yeah, what's your recommend ding?

3689
02:34:45.840 --> 02:34:49.159
So I decided not to go most dangerous gameways and

3690
02:34:49.200 --> 02:34:52.319
I decided to go ic tea ways instead, and also

3691
02:34:52.719 --> 02:34:55.920
rectify by saying below you told me a non kick.

3692
02:34:56.840 --> 02:34:58.040
No, I'm gonna go with it.

3693
02:34:58.079 --> 02:35:00.959
We've mentioned a few times before, but nineteen eighty two Trespasses,

3694
02:35:01.159 --> 02:35:04.760
because that is another great nineties I mean, you got

3695
02:35:04.799 --> 02:35:08.760
Bill Paxton iced Tea, Bill Sadler ice Cube. It's a

3696
02:35:08.799 --> 02:35:11.959
great film. And it's also a retelling of the Treasure

3697
02:35:12.000 --> 02:35:14.760
of Tiera Madra That's True, which is a great story

3698
02:35:14.799 --> 02:35:17.440
as well, about people who are out of place, out

3699
02:35:17.440 --> 02:35:20.079
of the place they know and hoping to get rich,

3700
02:35:20.120 --> 02:35:23.520
but they don't really understand where they're at. This is

3701
02:35:23.559 --> 02:35:26.639
the Rundown from IMDb. Two firemen in a burning building

3702
02:35:26.840 --> 02:35:29.520
get a treasure map. Stolen gold Church items are hidden

3703
02:35:29.559 --> 02:35:32.399
in a closed down factory in Saint Louis. Once they're

3704
02:35:32.479 --> 02:35:36.440
they're trapped in by a black gang considering it their territory.

3705
02:35:36.520 --> 02:35:38.920
Yes they do, and it's a great film. It's dorcted

3706
02:35:38.959 --> 02:35:41.879
by Walter Hill. It's written by Bob Gail and Robert Zemeckis,

3707
02:35:41.920 --> 02:35:44.280
the team who brought you Back to the Future and

3708
02:35:44.399 --> 02:35:48.200
Well and tailsorm crypt Demon Night, of course, so I

3709
02:35:48.280 --> 02:35:50.719
can't recommend Trespass enough. It is available right now only

3710
02:35:50.799 --> 02:35:53.520
to rent on Prime Video, but it is totally worth

3711
02:35:53.680 --> 02:35:54.399
the four dollars.

3712
02:35:54.440 --> 02:35:56.920
It also has one of the best performances by r Evans,

3713
02:35:57.200 --> 02:35:59.799
the guy from Diehard to Yeah Fright Night. He's so good.

3714
02:36:00.159 --> 02:36:01.719
No, it's a phenomenal film.

3715
02:36:01.760 --> 02:36:04.120
So do we have any emails this week? Last I checked?

3716
02:36:04.120 --> 02:36:06.319
No, but let me check one more time before we

3717
02:36:06.520 --> 02:36:07.120
call it a night.

3718
02:36:07.239 --> 02:36:11.680
All right, No, nobody full.

3719
02:36:11.760 --> 02:36:13.360
But if you guys want to email us, you can

3720
02:36:13.399 --> 02:36:17.000
at do you even movie pod at gmail dot com? Yes,

3721
02:36:17.239 --> 02:36:19.639
or you can go to dooevenmovie dot com and send

3722
02:36:19.680 --> 02:36:21.600
us an email through there. We'd love to hear from

3723
02:36:21.639 --> 02:36:26.159
you recommendations, suggestions, critiques. But if one of them is

3724
02:36:26.159 --> 02:36:28.799
like I didn't really like surviving the game, just cut

3725
02:36:28.799 --> 02:36:30.879
off the middleman and stick the email so far up

3726
02:36:30.879 --> 02:36:32.000
your ass you can taste.

3727
02:36:31.799 --> 02:36:35.840
It fair enough. Would you like to know, since this

3728
02:36:35.879 --> 02:36:37.719
is us wrapping up June, would you like to know

3729
02:36:37.799 --> 02:36:40.479
what we are doing as we kick off July next week. Well,

3730
02:36:40.559 --> 02:36:44.879
I mean sure, okay, so as I'm sure some of

3731
02:36:44.920 --> 02:36:47.399
you know, there is a big film anniversary coming up.

3732
02:36:47.399 --> 02:36:50.840
Its celebrating fifty years next week. Actually, so by the

3733
02:36:50.840 --> 02:36:52.680
time you're hearing this, it's actually going to be turning

3734
02:36:52.680 --> 02:36:55.440
fifty this week, and that is Jaws. So naturally we

3735
02:36:55.479 --> 02:37:00.319
are going to be covering nineteen eighty seven's Jaws the Revenge.

3736
02:37:00.319 --> 02:37:06.639
The best Jaws movie in my opinion for sheer entertainment value,

3737
02:37:06.719 --> 02:37:11.760
and another that has so much history with me as

3738
02:37:11.760 --> 02:37:14.840
a kid because I taped that off of HBO. Oh yeah,

3739
02:37:14.879 --> 02:37:18.840
and uh it's actually was the opening is really scary,

3740
02:37:18.879 --> 02:37:21.879
it used to be until we you know, frame by frame, Well,

3741
02:37:22.159 --> 02:37:25.239
well yeah, it's not as bad as the beginning, I'm sorry,

3742
02:37:25.319 --> 02:37:27.200
is the scary? Oh well yeah yeah, but if you

3743
02:37:27.280 --> 02:37:29.079
frame by frame that it's not read not that great either.

3744
02:37:29.319 --> 02:37:31.360
This is a movie that if you dissect it, it's

3745
02:37:31.479 --> 02:37:34.159
like it's like an onion. There's just more and more

3746
02:37:34.360 --> 02:37:36.719
layers to go. So expect that one to be four

3747
02:37:36.760 --> 02:37:39.120
and a half hours of us talking about Jaws the Revenge.

3748
02:37:39.200 --> 02:37:44.360
Also Christmas in July. Technically, yeah, The Revenge. The reves

3749
02:37:44.559 --> 02:37:47.520
The Jaws the Revenge currently available on Peacock along with

3750
02:37:47.559 --> 02:37:50.079
all of the Jaws movies and sequels right now, also

3751
02:37:50.079 --> 02:37:52.360
rentable on Prime and Fandango. It did just get a

3752
02:37:52.399 --> 02:37:54.120
Blu Ray release as well as a four K So

3753
02:37:54.159 --> 02:37:57.719
if you are a masochist, there you go. Hey. But yes,

3754
02:37:57.760 --> 02:38:00.200
we're gonna be talking about Jaws the Revenge next week

3755
02:38:00.239 --> 02:38:01.639
on the show. I cannot wait.

3756
02:38:02.120 --> 02:38:05.120
You thought I was passionate on this episode, Just wait

3757
02:38:05.200 --> 02:38:08.399
till we're talking about hot, sexy love after steel work.

3758
02:38:08.479 --> 02:38:10.639
Oh yeah, this is gonna be kicking off our our

3759
02:38:10.719 --> 02:38:13.159
July theme of Life's of Beach, So all of our

3760
02:38:13.200 --> 02:38:15.120
movies for the month of July are going to have

3761
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beach tie ends along with them. Oh hell yes, so

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that is going to be next week.

3763
02:38:20.120 --> 02:38:23.719
Yes it will. So make sure you're subscribed on your

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favorite podcasting app or on YouTube, because if you Missjaws

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02:38:27.559 --> 02:38:30.120
the Revenge, I mean, at that point, I don't even

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think you're an adult anymore.

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I can't believe we're doing this. I'm so exciting. I'm

3768
02:38:33.559 --> 02:38:37.840
so fucking ready. I'm so ready for Jaws the Revenge.

3769
02:38:37.879 --> 02:38:39.799
So that is gonna do it for us. This week

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on the show.

3771
02:38:40.760 --> 02:38:42.719
Yeah, we're gonna we were gonna talk about Ciskel and

3772
02:38:42.760 --> 02:38:45.079
Ebert a little bit. But you know what, since they

3773
02:38:45.120 --> 02:38:47.079
didn't love it, they can well they're both dead.

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02:38:47.120 --> 02:38:49.000
I mean, Ciscle like that Roger was the one that

3775
02:38:49.040 --> 02:38:50.440
had bad beef with it. But yeah, you can find

3776
02:38:50.959 --> 02:38:53.000
you can find the clip. The full episode is on

3777
02:38:53.200 --> 02:38:55.000
is on YouTube, so we had to chop into it.

3778
02:38:55.000 --> 02:38:57.319
But yeah, but yeah, check that out because it's definitely

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02:38:57.319 --> 02:38:57.719
worth it.

3780
02:38:57.760 --> 02:39:00.319
That's bizarre that Ciscle like, because Ebert, I do like

3781
02:39:00.319 --> 02:39:02.840
how Ebert's like I wrote, you know, frigging for russ Meyer.

3782
02:39:02.920 --> 02:39:06.000
But but this is a little too, a little too

3783
02:39:06.079 --> 02:39:07.639
low low brow for me.

3784
02:39:07.920 --> 02:39:09.120
He satable.

3785
02:39:10.159 --> 02:39:13.399
It's based on a freaking Yeah, I'm so sorry they

3786
02:39:13.440 --> 02:39:15.520
didn't kill the black guy like you wanted.

3787
02:39:15.639 --> 02:39:17.319
Ebert.

3788
02:39:18.520 --> 02:39:21.319
No, I mean, I Roger Ebert. I mean, I hope

3789
02:39:21.360 --> 02:39:23.920
nobody ever comes at me for my forty year old opinions.

3790
02:39:23.920 --> 02:39:27.239
And there's something year old opinions about movies. But yeah,

3791
02:39:28.000 --> 02:39:30.879
so it just cuts to somebody doing a video podcast,

3792
02:39:30.920 --> 02:39:33.360
you know, and like three D via VR, and they're like, well,

3793
02:39:33.399 --> 02:39:35.840
let's see what those two chuckle focks in Ohio thought

3794
02:39:35.840 --> 02:39:39.319
about this movie. Wow, you hope hope they're dead? Oh wait,

3795
02:39:39.319 --> 02:39:42.040
they are, they are, and then it just cuts to

3796
02:39:42.120 --> 02:39:44.760
our graves like like they fade up like him back

3797
02:39:44.760 --> 02:39:45.959
to the future too, but we've.

3798
02:39:45.840 --> 02:39:47.479
Been buried like the dog in The Homeless Man at

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02:39:47.479 --> 02:39:47.840
the beginning.

3800
02:39:47.879 --> 02:39:53.319
Oh yeah, yeah, I hope somebody digs that deep when

3801
02:39:53.319 --> 02:39:56.639
I'm dead and people are judging my mood Jesus. So

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02:39:57.159 --> 02:39:59.559
I guess all that's left to say as we head

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02:39:59.559 --> 02:40:02.280
out is a Again, remember subscribing your favorite podcasting app

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02:40:02.280 --> 02:40:04.159
if you're listening, and leave us a five star rating

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on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. If you're watching us on YouTube,

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02:40:07.200 --> 02:40:09.159
please make sure you're subscribed so you don't miss the

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next episode, and leave us a comment on Spotify or YouTube.

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02:40:13.239 --> 02:40:15.280
We always respond to them, or at least I do

3809
02:40:15.360 --> 02:40:17.719
at the very least email us. Do you the movie

3810
02:40:17.760 --> 02:40:20.000
pod at gmail dot com. So, I guess all that's

3811
02:40:20.040 --> 02:40:26.040
really left to say is see you next, hon The Revenge.

3812
02:40:27.079 --> 02:40:29.159
It's so dangerous that you want us to do your

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Jaws the Revenge.

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We're gonna lose everybody and I'll be happy with that

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and we'll see what happens.

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