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Surviving the Game (1994): Ice-T’s Human-Hunt Thriller

Surviving the Game (1994): Ice-T’s Human-Hunt Thriller
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Henrique Couto and David Denoyer revisit Surviving the Game (1994), Ernest R. Dickerson’s lean action-thriller adaptation of Richard Connell’s The Most Dangerous Game. Ice-T stars as Jack Mason, a homeless Seattle man shattered by the deaths of his family, his friend Hank and a stray dog. After Walter Cole, played by Charles S. Dutton, interrupts Mason’s suicide attempt, he recruits him as a wilderness guide for Thomas Burns, Rutger Hauer’s cultivated leader of a wealthy hunting party. The promised job is a trap: Mason is their human prey.
The discussion follows Mason from the hunters’ ritualistic pig dinner into the Washington mountains, where the cast turns exploitation material into a story about dignity and the will to live. Gary Busey’s Doc Hawkins delivers the disturbing Prince Henry Stout monologue; F. Murray Abraham pressures his reluctant son into the hunt; and John C. McGinley’s Griffin begins to question the game after Mason spares him. Mason doubles back, discovers preserved heads from earlier victims, burns the cabin and uses patience, empathy and improvisation to reverse the pursuit.
Henrique and David are especially interested in the hunters’ chemistry. Hauer makes Burns elegant, playful and ruthlessly manipulative, while Dutton gives Cole a domestic familiarity that leads the hosts to read a possible intimacy beneath their partnership. That interpretation makes Burns’s quiet killing of an injured Cole more unsettling. The hosts also track Mason’s cigarette decoys, the cliff crossing, his predatory night camouflage and the final Seattle confrontation, where Hank’s advice about checking a gun barrel completes Mason’s journey from despair to self-preservation.
The production history is nearly as intense. Dickerson cast Ice-T after New Line rejected Laurence Fishburne, and the film’s overseas presales reduced the studio’s incentive to supply extra resources. Mountain daylight limits forced pages and backstory out of the screenplay. The transcript recounts that F. Murray Abraham suffered a serious off-set car crash, fracturing his wrist and three ribs and sustaining facial injuries; the crew concealed the damage with gloves and goggles while he continued working. The all-location Washington shoot, cabin design built around once-living materials and Stewart Copeland score add tactile character.
The hosts call Surviving the Game a vivid 1990s time capsule, and one ranks it among the strongest screen versions of The Most Dangerous Game. They praise Ice-T’s work opposite Hauer, Busey, Dutton, Abraham and McGinley. Their original sidebars remain in evergreen form: when perseverance becomes burnout, Aaron Norris’s role in reshaping Walker, Texas Ranger, dangerous production mishaps, and a comparison between Bring Her Back and Talk to Me.
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There's a toast to the hunters and a prayer for

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the hunter.

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It was their game, their thrill, their wounds. I might

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not be rare. Now he's gonna show them how to

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play it, surviving the game in a world where podcasts

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reign supreme. Two Friends Dare to Ask, Do You Even? Movie,

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hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David Denyer.

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Spoiler alert, So, David, so, Hen, what's the hardest game

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You've ever survived?

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The hardest game I've ever survived? Oh that's a good one.

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Oh man. Honestly, if I actually had to answer that question,

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it would probably be. There was one time when I

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was in soccer when I was a young kid, and

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it was literally sleeping and this is this is like

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a minor league game, like this is just kids being kids.

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Uh soccer, Okay, so kids being kids. It's sleeping out.

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They're not canceling the game. And it was my turn

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to be goalie. My hands went numb from the gloves

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because the gloves were so damp and everything from everybody

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playing and picking up a ball and whatnot. My hands

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went numb while I was playing goalie. And I did

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not think I was going to survive that game. The

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ball gets wet, Yeah, when it's on the field from

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the snow. You mean, yeah, okay, I got you out. Yeah, well,

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think about the grounds completely covered at this point, balls

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getting covered and everybody is just miserable, you know, kicking

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it as best they can and whatnot, and you're trying

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to pick it up with your numb hands, and yeah,

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it just was not working out.

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They had a competitive school game.

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This was like this is like rec league like that.

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That means like the rec like the the recreation like

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for kids, like the little after school programs. Oh okay,

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so it's for fun. Yeah, I mean it was. It

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was like a season, but yeah it was. It was

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just there wasn't like any tournaments or anything. It was

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just like, you played this team this week, you played

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this team this way.

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Well, I was just it would just be weird if

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it was competitive. By like Jesus, They're like, sorry, it's snowing,

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doesn't matter, get out there and win.

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Whereas I remember one time, literally there was a tornado watch,

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maybe a warning, I can't remember. It wasn't a warning,

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but it was at least a watch, and it was

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a train of watch and they canceled the games like

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we'd already gotten to the field, We're getting ready to

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throw the ball down, and they're like, oh up, Tornado

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watches all around. Is game's canceled.

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Well, it's gonna start raining eventually. Yeah, ran all the

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time any for.

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Long for me?

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Uh see Mind's act saying Russian Roulette yep.

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I mean that's a tough one to survive, especially with

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the loaded, you know, entire all chambers loaded.

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I think that's just called suicide the English language, it's

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a living language, David, Yeah, it's a living language.

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Now. If you want to talk about video games, the

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hardest game I had to survive would be one that

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I still have not beat to this day, which is

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the suffering The Ties That Bind? Are you failed with

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the suffering? Mm hmm. So did you ever play the sequel,

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The Ties that Bind? I didn't play either. So the suffering, Yeah,

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the suffering is you're an inmate that Goods sent to

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a prison. You're trying to figure out who framed you

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and got you sent there. All the while there's like

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an evil unleash in the prison. First game is awesome

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love The first game. Second game basically a little bit

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more of the same story. But what they did with

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the final boss round of the game is you face

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every single fucking boss, You face the entire game in

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one go, and you have to stay alive. And that

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was awful for me. It was it was brain scan,

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brain scan. I mean that's fair too.

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So it was a fun game, though, I mean incredible graphic.

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Incredible graphic.

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And I got to be Edward Furlong.

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It's my favorite line he delivers in that movie. He

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just comes to the room.

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Watching pornography and getting an erection and using it to

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ripe someone. Oh god, yeah, that's principle, sir. I'm pretty

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sure erections don't rape people. People rape people.

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Is that movie called uh? I know, I know, it's

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like number four is the is the number at the

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end of it, But I can't remember what the movie

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is called that he was showing to the Horror Club.

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It's it's some ridiculous title.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was made up, because weren't

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they actually just showing like h Lewis something like that.

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Yeah. I think it was like color me blood red.

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Or one of those yeah, or blood feast or whatever.

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I think it was colored blood red.

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Yeah, but now I was never I never played a

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lot of games because you know, you need friends for that.

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Yeah, so as a kid, not not so much imagining

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Millhouse running back and forth with the frisbee.

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Oh yeah, yeah, that was pretty to my childhood.

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You know.

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Hey, well we're coming off of Father's Day.

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Why not? Why not?

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Yeah, let's talk about playing today. Oh man, Father's Day blue.

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I mean, like Father's Day normally is not my favorite day,

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but that was not a good father Day.

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No, no, no, no, I.

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Don't even want to go into it, like in detail.

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I mean, it's a lot, but it's just.

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We we we we.

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Were killing ourselves pulling together a production, and we pulled

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it together obscenely fast, and then five minutes till start time,

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we're all almost all of us are there, unpacked and

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starting to set up. I was literally putting the camera

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on the tripod, and then we found out we had

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to cancel the whole day.

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Sucks, man, I'm sorry.

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It is what it is. I mean, I tried to

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make the best of it. You know, Rachel and I

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just looked at us like, well, I guess we'll hang

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out have fun because we were, like, we had been

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working so long, so hard to get ready, and now.

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It was just nothing. Not going to say the reason

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all on the air, but I mean it's a pretty big,

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big reason to cancel. I mean there was completely out

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of your control. Nothing, nothing could have stopped that.

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As a man of nearly forty who has done many

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many low budget films and projects and and and pushed

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my way through many challenges, I am old enough now

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that when that happened, I told everybody like, we're canceled, yeah,

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and why? And then Rachel was like what if we

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and and she she had suggested something to try to

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solve it, yeah, And I literally was like, it would

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make this would be the most miserable day if we

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tried to turn it around. I am old enough to

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just know when I'm licked.

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When to quit.

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Yeah, yeah, when it's you're better off just cutting the losses.

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I still give you a lot of props for because

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I mean we had even tried to push through when

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this happened. But I remember when we were on Calamity

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James Revenge and or no no it was just James, sorry,

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just gyms unchained. Oh we were shooting during that windstorm. Yeah,

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And I remember I remember me and I can't remember

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who else, but we were holding that door shut because

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the wind was blue and Whiting, yeah, me and Whiting,

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and it was just like I remember, like I think

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an hour passed after that, and you were just like,

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we we've got to call this.

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Well, we we had stuff to film in there. Yeah,

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So we filmed all of that, and every time we

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had it we took a small break. I would open

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the door and look at the sky and it wasn't

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getting any better. Yeah, And after about an hour, about

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an hour of it not improving and we were waiting, Yeah,

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I was like, we gotta call it because this is

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like really bad weather.

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I think you also had read the report that somebody

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had actually died. Yeah, somebody got killed in that. Also,

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I had had that tree completely uprooted in my in

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my front yard that it almost landed on my excess

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car at the time. Wouldn't that have been nice? No comment, No,

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but uh no.

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There are times when you have to have to do

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it and there are times when you don't. Yeah, Like

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I guess what I'm trying to say is like you

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got to know when to ho no, when to fold them, uh, and.

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When to walk away.

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Ah, kind of yeah, no, when to jog No, when

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to jog No? When to open a chicken restaurant?

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There you go. Yeah, but he tried. It was successful

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for a bit.

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It's still successful in Asia. Oh oh yeah, that's right.

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I forgot about that.

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Yeah, the Kenny Rogers chicken.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, it's it's a it's tough when you have

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to kind of admit your licked. Yeah, but there's a

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freedom to it too. Like if we had if we

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had tried to save the shoot, it would have required

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us losing about two hours three hours of the shoot

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time in order to rejigger everything. Yeah, and we already

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barely had enough time, so we would have been we

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would have been stressed to the hilt all day, possibly

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getting much worse material because of it. And I just

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there was that moment where I was like, you know,

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I don't think that's where.

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Oh, And I mean, there's only so much you can

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plan for because like even another shoot story that came

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to mind is when we were on what was going

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to be the longest shooting weekend for Haunt House on

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Serre Row, and we had planned to shoot I think

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until two am that day, and something had happened with

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an effect. There was a shot that went wrong. I

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can't remember what it was, and we were still thinking

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about pushing forward, and then at the last second, just like,

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if we do this, we're just gonna wear ourselves out.

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It's gonna make the craft even a little bit probably

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questionable at that point too.

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Well, the effect didn't turn out well, yeah it didn't.

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And our makeup artist, who was very, very good, Yeah,

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he was unhappy with it. I was unhappy with it.

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So the thought was I think it was like I

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just asked everybody, like, do you guys care if we

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go an hour later tomorrow but we all go home

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and see right now?

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Yeah, And it was unanimous yes.

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And then I think we came back to set two

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hours early to try and do the makeup again. I mean,

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when you're making a feature length movie and your time,

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your principal schedule is four days, yeah, maybe maybe a

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fifth day as pickups, you really can't afford to lose much. No,

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I mean you can't really afford to. You know, if

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somebody is two hours late, it's gonna be a very

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hard day.

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Yeah, if you.

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Run over time.

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You need it.

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Needs to it needs to have a purpose. Yeah, because

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if you just every time you film you run long

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and everyone's always exhausted and they expect that from you,

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you lose a lot of good will and rightfully so well.

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And I think also it had a lot to do

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with the fact that we were shooting down on a

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cellar and there was was have the shelves toppled over yet?

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Was it? Okay, I haven't done that yet. No, that

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was that was a year or so late, so later Okay, Yeah,

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I couldn't remember if it was that movie or the

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next one.

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It was the next one, yeah, and that was about

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a year and a half later. Yeah, maybe maybe not

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quite a year and a half, but that was a

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while later. And but yeah, you don't want to do

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that to people. That's what one of my big rules is.

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I'll ask people like, do you guys care if we

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go late? Usually it's because when that late day ends,

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the whole film is over. Yeah, so everybody knows, like,

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this is it, this is the last of it?

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YEA.

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One thing I learned early on working with a friend

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who he was a very talented filmmaker, but he wasn't

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very good with people, is he would he would say

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things that I would hear and I'd be like, wow,

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I'm never saying that on my set, yeah, because it's

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like killed morale. And one of them was like, I

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have this rule on movies if you can help it,

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you want to front load your first day, whether it's

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the first day of five days, or it's the first

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day of two days of a weekend and then you're

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gonna come back in another weekend or whatever it is.

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Whatever it is, you want a front load because no

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matter how much work you do in one day with

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a group of people working ten, twelve hours, whatever it is,

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no matter how much work you do, people are tired

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at the end of the day. Like if you sat

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at home all day watching Blu rays and eating pizza,

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come midnight, you're tired, even though you were like a

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sack shit all day you just did nothing. So one

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time I remember him saying, because it was at the

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end of a long day, he was like, you know, everybody,

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just you know, you know, pump it up and like

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we'll get back to sleep because tomorrow is the hard day.

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And I was like, man, that killed my sense of

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excitement because I'm already tired. So I always tried to

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Number One never ever say anything like that. Yeah, and

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number two, always try to front load that way, even

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if it's grueling and it's late. You could be like, remember, guys,

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tomorrow we do two thirds as much stuff as today.

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Yeah, like tomorrow is easy. Or one thing I've always

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loved about you is you've always made a tough day

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also around a really good meal, whether it's something that

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your mom has made or whether it's try to do

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you always try to like front load a hard day

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but then also have a really good meal as like

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the halfway point, if not like the or almost there.

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And I think with a few extenuating circumstances, I think

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that you know there should be if there are going

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to be two meals in a day, one of them

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should be hot.

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Yeah. I think that's just nobody. I mean, who doesn't

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like a sexy meal.

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Really hot and sexy. Nothing like a hot meal on

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an eighty five degree day.

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And I think my favorite was still when we had

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gotten pizza from a place. I think it was where

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was the where was the house that we shot out

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a lot? It was wayns Wayne till thank you. I

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wanted to say West Milton, but I knew that wasn't right. No,

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we had gotten that Waynsville pizza place and we didn't

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realize that they put the pepperoni underneath the cheese. So

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when we got our pizzas, it just looked like two

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cheese pizzas.

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Yeah, and one was for the vegetarians. So luckily, if

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I had to guess in that situation, Eric Whiting was

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our Christopher Columbus who explored.

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The mic both of us, Yeah, because I think we

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both were just like that pizza looks a little lumpy,

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like it looks like pepperoni might be.

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Under I remember pizza being good.

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Though, pizza was great.

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Yeah, that place was not near anything convenient. No, so

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it was like a forty minute round trip to get

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that damn pizza.

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Yeah.

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So but yeah, anyway, I didn't even realize I was

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gonna it was gonna lead. I was gonna lead into

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something actually had something to say about. I just wanted

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to get you going. It worked, but but no, so

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I ended up going with Rachel to the We went

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to Hunan house and had an HS Chinese buffet to

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drown away our tears. Then we went to the cigar

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lounge and I got this ridiculous LFD cigar. LFD cigars

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are known for being very strong, so strong that a

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lot of people leave. That's why people call them LFD

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because it stands for laflor dominicana, which sounds beautiful. Yeah,

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but they're known for being like all the hero all

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like really powerful. So I feel like people that's why

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people never call it that. They always call them LFD

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because it sounds more intense, more military almost. That's where

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you've seen the boxes say double le hero those are

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LED's and uh and they're almost always tiny because they're

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very strong.

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It's like I remember I had I've had one of

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the jfrs and my ex and called it a jafar

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cigar and I was like, that's kind of funny. It's

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pretty good. Yeah.

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So but but we made the best of it as

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best we could. Where we're filming again, I mean, by

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the time this airs, it'll be done already. Yeah, and

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god willing, nothing could go wrong with that one. Yes, yes, Wood,

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we're just knocking on that we are. But it was

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a lot, I know, it was.

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It was. It was a lot.

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And uh, yeah, that was just there was a lot

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that whole weekend. Yeah, not an easy time.

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Well, the good news is is you got your car back.

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I did, yes, so, which which was a hilarious thing too. Honestly,

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that week was kind of a lot of awful, but

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one of the funniest things was my car had been

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in the shop for almost two full weeks.

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I found out what happened. Yeah, you told me you

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have a good please please tell the audience.

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Well, I found out that what happened was my car.

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I dropped my car off and on Monday. I dropped

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it on a Saturday, and they're not open on Sunday.

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So on a Monday, they they called me up and

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they were like, okay, we confirmed it's the hybrid inverter.

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It's expensive. Are you sure you do you want to

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do it? I'm like yeah, So we figure out all

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that and they were like, well, the part will be here.

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When he was like, I'm hoping we get you on

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the road Thursday, maybe Friday at the latest, I'm like,

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all right, cool. Wednesday, they confirmed the part arrives and

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then I hear nothing. And my mechanic's usually really good.

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I think I pitched about this last week too, but

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apparently what had happened is their lead mechanic left the

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day my part arrived for his vacation, so they were understaffed,

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and he was the only person there who'd ever worked

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on a hybrid battery system, which is, from what I've understood,

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relatively dangerous. It's because it's high amperage, high voltage. I've

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heard of people diying it, but I've heard that it's dangerous.

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And they actually have gloves specifically. They're specifically for handling

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hybrid batteries so that you can't get electrocuted. They had

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one pair of those gloves because it's a specialty item,

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so they had to order another pair because they realized

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they needed like two mechanics minimum to try and do

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this thing. Well, the gloves arrived late, and then when

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they got there, when they opened the new box of gloves,

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they saw a big sign on it that said like

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made of latex, and then the other mechanic was like,

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I'm allergic lateex. So the car just sat and they

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said that basically like every day they tried to put

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an hour into doing something with it, and it was

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just failing every time. So finally I got mad, you know,

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I was just like, you guys didn't tell me what

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was going on, and like, and from what I understand now,

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a lot of them didn't quite know what was going on.

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But so they were like, hey, on a Thursday, like,

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if I don't have your car to you tomorrow, you're

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gonna go get a rental car and then you'll have

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the car until I give you your car back. So

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Friday comes, no car. I go to get a rental car.

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And this was very funny. They'd scheduled me to pick

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up a sedan or like vehicle from an enterprise and

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I was already out to lunch with my mom. So

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I was like, Mom, just drop me off of the

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at the enterprise that they scheduled that.

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I'm early.

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If they don't have anything ready, I'll just wait. So

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I get there and I'm like, hey, I know i'm

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an hour early, but I'm here for this whatever. I

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give my name and they're like okay. So you know,

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he was like, bad news. Is the sedan that we

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were expecting for you should have been here by now,

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so we can clean it up real quick and then

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give it to you. It's not here. I can put

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it in order for a sedan from another store and

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it'll probably be here in about an hour. Yeah, hour

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and a half and he was like, or I can

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see what we have and just try to get you moving,

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and I was like that's fine with me. So he

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leaves and five minutes later comes back and he goes,

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how's a pickup truck? Would that be all right? And

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I'm like, yeah, yeah, pickup truck's fine. I haven't driven

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a pickup truck in a long time, but yeah, I

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don't care, like sure, So he's like awesome. So three

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minutes later, a guy comes out and just has the keys.

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He's like, let's go getch your car. So I step outside.

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It was a bright red Jeep Gladiator it was, which

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is gigantic.

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It is.

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It is a friggin' beast it is. And I burst

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into laughter because not only because it couldn't just be

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a giant truck, even a truck. Yeah yeah, fire engine red,

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which just made it even funnier.

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You just need to the horns.

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Oh my god, I'm shocked they didn't come standard because

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that car was crazy.

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I was.

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I was intentionally driving over my curbs and stuff because

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I feel it. You can't even feel it. It was awesome.

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I drove that thing like I stole it. I was

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like I was like, I was, I was gunning the

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gas because I drive a Prius, you know, and they

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they're not like a lot of people have opinions about

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Prius based on like when they first came out eight seven,

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and they were really In the words of my friend

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Matt Lake, who owned a first generation Prius, he was like,

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it has the delightfulness of a golf cart motor combined

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with the delightfulness of a riding lawnmower motor. And I

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was like, yeah. He was like, not a very good car,

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great gas. Literally, not a very good car. Well, I

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have an O nine and it's got a little it

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can go.

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Yeah, it's fine.

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It's still you know, it's not freaking monster. This was

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a V six friggin thing, So that was fun. At

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least I got some fun out of it. I drove

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it around like crazy. We got to haul some stuff

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I'd been meaning to haul because I had this massive truck,

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and it was very amusing driving around in that thing.

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It was fun riding with you out of the lounge

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on Friday, I'll say that much.

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Yeah, that was the first thing I thought to I

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was like, oh, I'm driving the guys to the lounge.

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In this frigging beast. And the only the moment that

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I realized this really isn't for me, though, was I

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was on my way to return it today and I

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stopped at.

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The gas station.

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You go, top off the gas tank, Yeah, and it

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was half I had a half a tank. I spent

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thirty three dollars filling that half of the tank. Holy now, now, David,

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I don't spend thirty three dollars in two weeks filling

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up my Preus gas tank is nine gallons. It was

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almost ten gallons to fill that tank halfwayes And that's

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what I was like, Yeah, you know, there's a reason

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I never read trucks well. And there's a reason I

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never went big trucks ever. I when my Volkswagen died,

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which you know, got like twenty eight miles per gallon

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on a good day, I was like, I want forty

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four to forty eight miles per gallon, which is what

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I get on the Prius. And the funny thing is

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I told somebody that online because I posted a picture

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of that truck on my Facebook and some people were like,

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oh it really suits. You're like, oh, you're gonna be hooked,

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And I was like it gets eighteen miles per gallon.

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Yeah.

466
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And a friend of mine had comment and said, like,

467
00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:19.359
you'd be surprised I sacrificed twenty seven miles per gallon

468
00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:21.880
because I realized how much I loved having that like

469
00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:23.720
grip and being able to whatever whatever. And I was like,

470
00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:27.599
I would be sacrificing forty four miles per gallon. She's like,

471
00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:30.119
holy crap, really, And I was like, my Prius is

472
00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:32.400
old too, like the newer Priuses do like fifty one

473
00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:33.160
to fifty two miles.

474
00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:36.079
I can't imagine you driving that across the country, across

475
00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:37.839
the US, or that matter. I could, I'd have to.

476
00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:40.079
I wouldn't even need roads, yeah, I mean you wouldn't.

477
00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:43.400
Just need a lot of money for the gas. Yeah, yeah,

478
00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:45.640
and the insurance and the insurance. Yeah.

479
00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:47.839
The shocking thing was I actually looked at the prices

480
00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:50.440
of like getting one. I was curious, it's only like

481
00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:52.039
six thousand dollars more than a brand new Prius.

482
00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:52.319
Yeah.

483
00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.599
Prius are expensive, so they they maintain their their value

484
00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:57.039
pretty well.

485
00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:57.319
Yeah.

486
00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:59.720
So that's always been my rule is I try to

487
00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:03.079
buy things that maintain value. Macintosh computers, I had a

488
00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:05.839
old swagon. They always hold value pretty well. Prius tend

489
00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:08.880
to hold value pretty well. Everybody wants a used Prius

490
00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:11.720
because that initial price is so high. Everybody wants the

491
00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:13.559
you know, the cheaper one. Yeah, I got it was

492
00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:15.880
a two thousand and nine with forty four thousand miles

493
00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:18.640
on it, and I got it in twenty fourteen. I

494
00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:22.160
had to put money down to see it because the

495
00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:25.480
guy flat out at the Toyota dealership was like, everyone

496
00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:28.920
wants this car. So if you're serious, I'm gonna do

497
00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:31.599
a I'll do a a like sixty dollars, hold on

498
00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:33.279
your credit card and come and look at it in

499
00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:36.039
a week when it because it wasn't even in yet. Yeah,

500
00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:39.279
so and it's sure enough. Like after trying to buy

501
00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:41.880
a used Prius, I noticed how quickly they they went.

502
00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:43.519
I don't know if they're quite that bad now because

503
00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:45.759
there's a lot more hybrids in the market, but Prius

504
00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:47.960
is still kind of like the gold standard hybrids kind of.

505
00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:50.240
I don't know if that's entirely true or not. I

506
00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:52.680
would love to see people get all mad and be like, no, actually,

507
00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:55.480
they do so much better with the hybrids on these. Now,

508
00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:59.119
that's cool, bro. But almost eleven years without a major

509
00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:01.400
repair on that car. So hell, yeah, but I'm not

510
00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:04.519
gonna lie. I got a little depressed because when I

511
00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:06.759
realized it was gonna it had been over two weeks

512
00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:08.519
since I dropped it off. I was like, I literally

513
00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:08.960
had that moment.

514
00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:11.279
I was like, I would have just bought a new car.

515
00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.359
I mean, not that I'm rich, but like I spent

516
00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:16.759
thirty seven hundred dollars fixing that car roughly somewhere in

517
00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:19.640
that neighborhood. Yeah, Like I could have put a nice

518
00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:21.720
fat down payment on a car, traded in that car

519
00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:23.559
to a Toyota dealership, wuld should give me a lot

520
00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:24.039
of trade in.

521
00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:24.880
Yeah, I could have.

522
00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:26.799
But the reason I didn't is I was like, well,

523
00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:28.799
I like my car and I want it back soon.

524
00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:30.519
So I did have that moment where I was like,

525
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.079
I really should have just bought it. And my mom

526
00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:33.839
even says she was like, we probably should have just

527
00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:36.000
went and found you a new car, because in two weeks,

528
00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:37.160
we could have found you in the right car.

529
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.680
And I was like, yeah, learn well.

530
00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:42.720
It has one hundred and ninety five thousand miles on it,

531
00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:45.880
the engine is in phenomenal shape. Now that the hybrid

532
00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:50.039
inverter has been replaced. Those basically never fail. Yeah, Like

533
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:51.640
that's one of the reasons they didn't know how to

534
00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:55.160
replace it is it's the most common issue in those

535
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:58.000
that era of Prius, and it almost never happened, never happens.

536
00:23:58.119 --> 00:23:59.319
Yeah, so it's one of those things.

537
00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:00.839
That's how it was explo to be On a message

538
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:02.079
board where I was trying to learn what was going

539
00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:03.880
on with it, people were like, it's the most common

540
00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:06.599
problem in a car with very few common problems. So

541
00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:08.359
in fact, I think they said it was guaranteed to

542
00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:11.200
one hundred and fifty thousand miles, and on the current

543
00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:13.839
Prius it's guaranteed for the lifetime of the car because

544
00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:15.400
that's how much they've advanced.

545
00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:16.160
The stuff makes sense.

546
00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:20.039
So I don't know, I like my Prius and I

547
00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:24.599
have full intention of buying another Prius. Yeah, inevitably makes sense.

548
00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:26.400
But yeah, I just had that moment where I was like, man,

549
00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:28.880
I could have put a two thousand dollars down payment

550
00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:30.920
on a Prius with like fifty five thousand miles. I mean,

551
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:33.160
I might have to go to Columbus, Ohio or Indianapolis

552
00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:36.480
to get it. Still good, it's worth well, it's worth it.

553
00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:42.480
You know, like I because you drive a SUV yeah, Trailblazer. Yeah,

554
00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:46.880
and like you do not understand when you get like

555
00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:49.000
forty four to forty eight, it really is forty four

556
00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:51.440
to forty eight. That is, I've never gotten much lower

557
00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:54.079
than that, except sometimes in the winter.

558
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:57.079
I mean I can get to Wasteland on one take

559
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.240
of gas and not even use the entire tank in

560
00:24:59.240 --> 00:24:59.720
that car.

561
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.680
I mean I can too. The difference is my tank

562
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:05.559
is nine gallons. Yes, I know that well because from

563
00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:08.640
what I understand, most car manufacturers their goal is for

564
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:12.160
a tank of gasoline to get you around three hundred.

565
00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:16.839
I have a seventeen gallon tank. Yeah that sounds right. Yeah. Yeah.

566
00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:19.160
So when I had my Voltswa, my Vocal Voltswa, I

567
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:20.400
got it like a thirteen gallon tank.

568
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:20.640
Yeah.

569
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:22.200
When I got the Prius, I noticed it would just

570
00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:25.160
click and I was like, it's nine gallons. Part of

571
00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.200
me was like I wish, I wish it was thirteen gallons.

572
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.279
So I get like five hundred miles I one tank anyway,

573
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:32.720
but no, so I am happy to have my car back.

574
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.960
That's something nice. My my micro drama just dropped on Dorian.

575
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.559
Hell yeah, I'm not going to plug it here. It's

576
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:43.519
not really the audience. But if you're curious to see

577
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:47.440
my micro drama like ghost soap opera, you can comment

578
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.640
on the video or comment on Spotify and I'll happily

579
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:52.960
give you the link. But it's on the Dorian app.

580
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.160
You can't miss it. If you download the Dorian app,

581
00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:59.400
you'll find it and type my name in. It'll come

582
00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:01.480
up along with the other series that'll be up in

583
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:02.200
like two weeks.

584
00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:02.720
You go.

585
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:05.599
So it's been really cool working with the people at Dorian.

586
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:08.240
I mean, it's been an experience because it's very different.

587
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:14.000
They're tech people, so they have they're just so different. Honestly,

588
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:15.680
overall better, that's good.

589
00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:16.640
Shows.

590
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:18.359
Business people are kind of silly. It's like I was

591
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:20.400
talking to our buddy J Cappy about that, yeah, and

592
00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:22.359
he was talking about Quibi. He was like, I guess,

593
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:24.799
I guess Quibi just came a little too late. And

594
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:26.519
I was like, well, and I said, no, No, Quibi

595
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:29.000
did exactly what they wanted to do. They wanted to

596
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:32.359
be a short movie studio, so they did what most

597
00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:35.160
studios do. They went bankrupt. Yeah, they nailed it.

598
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.880
They nailed it. There we go. Anyway, So speaking of

599
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:40.920
the Adventures. Last week we also went and saw Bring

600
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:41.359
Her Back.

601
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:45.519
We did from the from the directors of Talk to Me,

602
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:46.960
Talk to Me, the Brother Team.

603
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:49.839
Yeah and uh. I liked it.

604
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:55.160
Yeah, I didn't adore it, but there was a lot

605
00:26:55.359 --> 00:27:00.359
to enjoy. It was very tense, very creepy at all

606
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.839
of those points, very well. I liked that it was

607
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:07.279
relatively contained. I liked the blind character. I thought that

608
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:09.839
was a really cool way to go with it. Yeah,

609
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.279
I had one and I won't spoil it, but I

610
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:18.240
had They had one huge logic flaw that I can

611
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:20.839
usually let go of that, but that logic flaw makes

612
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:22.000
the entire movie happen.

613
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:24.119
I need to see it a second time to think

614
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.119
about it because I'm willing to let it go on

615
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.240
this first viewing, mainly because I like to Bring Her

616
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:30.559
Back a lot more than Talk to Me. I had

617
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:32.880
no big beef with Talk to Me. I thought it

618
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:36.119
was good. I thought it was a solid thriller, very unsettling.

619
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.960
There's just one treatment of a character in that movie

620
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:42.400
that just really bothered me because they just didn't stop.

621
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:46.160
I like how that bothered you, that like turns you

622
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.799
toward the other one where like the only problem is

623
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.960
there is just it's a lot of disbelief for a

624
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.319
major point of bring her Back to work.

625
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.000
In the movie. You and I talked about incredible scene.

626
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.319
It's just that the inciting element that keeps things going

627
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:04.559
doesn't quite make sense.

628
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:05.960
You and I, You and I talked about that, and

629
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.599
you're and you're not wrong. My My big beef with

630
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:11.720
Talk to Me was just it just it. I remember

631
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:13.480
sitting in the theater and just it got to a

632
00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:15.640
point where I was just like, is this what they're

633
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.880
gonna keep doing in this movie to this particular character?

634
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:21.799
And then when the character didn't really even get a

635
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:25.279
happy ending by any stretch. Honestly, it just really I

636
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.519
just wasn't a fan of that, Like Talk to Me's

637
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:30.119
fine as opposed to bring her back, full of happy end,

638
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:34.799
bring her back, gave gave closure though it did it

639
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.759
did it did, bring her back, gave closure. Talk to

640
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:40.759
Me left it open because we are getting a sequel.

641
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:45.279
But yeah, I've been having this conversation with a couple

642
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.079
of people, and I just I really wanted to like

643
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.319
talk to me more about have you rewatched Talk to Me? No,

644
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:51.759
I haven't. That might be I might need to but

645
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.759
that that fuck it. I'll just say it. There, what

646
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:58.440
happens to the brother and talk to me really upset me. Sure,

647
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:02.240
and then it he did it again, It did it again.

648
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.920
And then even by the last action of the movie,

649
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:07.720
not gonna spoil that, but even by the last action movie,

650
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.400
brother still doesn't really get off on a good hand

651
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.480
and is completely fucked for life.

652
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:18.240
And did nothing. Yeah, that's my big key. I mean,

653
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:21.960
there was a lot of cruelty to people who had

654
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.079
no ye didn't deserve it.

655
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:26.400
And bring her back. I think what I liked about

656
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:28.599
bring her back, and it could have been the supernatural

657
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:30.720
element was a little bit more explained and talk to me,

658
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:32.279
and I guess it was a little more left open

659
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:35.559
and bring her back a little bit. Is is heavy

660
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:35.960
a lot.

661
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:39.640
There's no which is fine, it which work worked fine, Yeah,

662
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:43.640
but there is no explanation for exactly how we got

663
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:45.000
to what's going on, whereas talk to.

664
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:46.880
Me, you basically get everything in that first ten minutes

665
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:47.799
that they bring out that hand.

666
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.960
Yeah, it's it's I think that one builds a universe

667
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:52.079
in a more traditional way.

668
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:53.640
I'm very curious to see what they're gonna do with

669
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.559
the sequel. And I most likely will watch it again

670
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.480
with the sequel coming. But yeah, I I if I

671
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:00.079
had to pick out of the two so far that

672
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:01.720
I really liked more, I really did like bring her

673
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:03.119
back more, and I'm ready to watch it again.

674
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:05.799
I will say, I remember your mood being a little

675
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:07.799
snippy that day.

676
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.599
For talk to me. Well, when I looked back on

677
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:11.400
what day it was.

678
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.079
Yeah, yeah, that wasn't I wasn't saying like so funny

679
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.759
but cool, sweet, all right, let's talk about this don

680
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:20.039
peppine Garcia, my father Connecticut.

681
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:21.359
This is a cigar show now.

682
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.640
Yeah, but no, no, That's why I was like, maybe

683
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.039
should give it a rewatch because I do remember I

684
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:30.079
think you were you were in a kind of a

685
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:31.960
mood and you were that doesn't mean that you'll love

686
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.599
it more and yeah, but uh, and I think you

687
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:38.240
were really hoping for Like the vibe I got when

688
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:39.720
we talked about it was that you were kind of

689
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:43.680
hoping for like simultaneously a teen slasher movie, but also

690
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:46.240
that would be like not at all what you would expect.

691
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:47.720
I don't remember that, but it does sound like me.

692
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:49.480
Yeah, well no, and that was And that's what I

693
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:50.839
mean is it was like It's kind of a little

694
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:54.279
contradictory because I liked that it went. It did give

695
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:55.920
you a teen slasher me in a way you hadn't

696
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:59.079
seen before, but it also skipped some of the tropes well.

697
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.319
And what's funny to me is Bring Her Back has

698
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:05.359
more of a terrifying, unsettling scene that I'm not gonna

699
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:07.279
spoil that kind of up.

700
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:08.960
To talk to me like, you're gonna have to be

701
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:10.799
more specific. I don't know which one you're talking about.

702
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:13.839
Nom nom nom, You're still gonna have to be more specifically.

703
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:15.279
You know, I'm right. You know I'm right.

704
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.359
No, No, that's me, that's me gassing up bring her back?

705
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.559
Do you want some food? Oh, don't do that.

706
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.160
I mean maybe I know what you're talking about.

707
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:23.319
Now.

708
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:25.519
That movie's got a lot of hard scenes to way.

709
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.000
I don't want to act it out. No, I don't

710
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:28.519
want to. I'm just I'm just.

711
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:31.720
But my point is just that I'm with you. I

712
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.160
think the movie is even more disturbing. The brother tried

713
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:36.039
to sony ways and made it worse. I'll put it

714
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:39.200
that way, I mean, and bring her back, Yeah, I mean,

715
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:39.720
you're not wrong.

716
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:43.799
The brother tried to help one character that we got

717
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.200
a lot of sympathy for, and then something happened where

718
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:48.200
he was trying to take him.

719
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:50.079
I know what, I know what scene you're talking about.

720
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:52.799
My point is that there is a lot of disturbing.

721
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.319
There is, but that one, in particular, I just remember

722
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.720
being on my seat being like, holy shit, No, that

723
00:31:57.759 --> 00:31:59.440
one was rough. Yes, that one was rough.

724
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:03.640
That was like cringey, like things with fingernails. Not it

725
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:06.440
wasn't things with fingails, but like things with fingernails or like,

726
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.119
you know that that kind of thing. I'm not disagreeing, Yeah,

727
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:10.559
that was kind of My point is that, like it's

728
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:14.119
actually I think they hit that note really well multiple times.

729
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.720
I probably do, oh, bring her back or bring her back?

730
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:18.799
Talk to me another watch, so I will, like I said,

731
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.079
I will get to it. But yeah, if I had

732
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:21.839
to pick right now, bring her back was my favorite.

733
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.200
It could change, but I highly recommend bring her back.

734
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.039
And bring her back. That's kind of why I'm a

735
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.759
little harsher to bring her back, is because by being

736
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.440
more self contained, that's generally something I like more and

737
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:36.960
find scarier. But then having to have one of the

738
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.440
conceits to make it all make sense. Yeah, not have

739
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:41.079
a lot of logic to it.

740
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:42.839
It just it just kind of it just.

741
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.960
Like it's like, you know, an a automatic half star deduction.

742
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.240
It's not it's not enough to make me say, don't

743
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.559
ever see that movie. It's great, it's really a good film.

744
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.759
Feel like the main character and talk to Me was

745
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:54.680
really unlikable.

746
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.119
I think they were all pretty unlikable and talk to men,

747
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.359
I would agree that that. Actually, yeah, they're they're all

748
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:01.119
pretty hard to like.

749
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:04.599
Whereas Bringer Back, I felt sympathy for damn near all

750
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:04.920
of them.

751
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.480
Oh, I would agree with that entirely. Yeah, no, no, no,

752
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:11.279
that's yeah, no, I I it's it's important to state

753
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:15.359
that I like to bring her back, and it's it's

754
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.720
it's I'm always harder on a movie when it when

755
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.799
it was like close to four stars in my mind,

756
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:21.000
but then it just isn't.

757
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:21.480
It just doesn't.

758
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.119
I'm gonna be a little harsher because I'm like, it

759
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.039
was so close to everything I could have wanted.

760
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.160
I totally dropped my rating to talk to me when

761
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:28.240
we were leaving.

762
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:35.319
On Hateful Last Hateful baster See, And unlike David, I'm

763
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.680
this is a hypothetical star rating because I write these things.

764
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:38.880
You know.

765
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:41.519
Ever, No, I like the idea that based on my

766
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.359
mood and what I had for lunch that day, I

767
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.000
will say, what what star rating? I feel a movie

768
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:49.039
is in that moment that one of the.

769
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:51.119
Most rewarding things of our friendship when it comes to

770
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.799
the to our movie friendship, especially, is that you've had redeems.

771
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.799
I've had redeems, cinematic redeems and everything. We're just like

772
00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:59.119
you were just like, ah, I was never a big,

773
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:00.599
fatous movie, but I'll give ano shot. And then you

774
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.559
turned around liking it. Same thing with me, but you

775
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.440
had way more on me than I have on you. Yeah.

776
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:10.480
Well, I think that my era of I was in

777
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.679
a bad mood or whatever. I think my era was

778
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:14.559
just the window.

779
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.000
Was a little shorter. Yeah, that's fair.

780
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:18.559
That's all because like, there are a couple of movies

781
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:23.840
that I like outwardly didn't like when I first saw them. Yeah,

782
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.519
that are bizarre. I mean, like, I didn't like Straight

783
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:29.559
Into Darkness the first time I watched.

784
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.400
That's shocking. Yeah, that's really shocking.

785
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:35.800
Because Burr the director, when I told him, I was

786
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.000
like it was kind of a little dark for me

787
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:38.679
or whatever, and he was like a lot of people

788
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:40.760
felt that way. You know, it's all right. When I

789
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.880
read I rewatched a few months after I knew him,

790
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.360
and literally the moment it ended, I was like I

791
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.239
was texting him. I was like, that movie's fucking genius, dude, Like, no,

792
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.719
it really is. It's a genius film. It really is great.

793
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.320
So I think my window was just a little shorter.

794
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.199
I think, you know, you know, with your time in college,

795
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:58.679
yeah and stuff like, I think you had a lot

796
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:00.920
of interesting times to experienced stuff.

797
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.320
The hardest thing lately has been going back and watching

798
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:04.840
some of the stuff that I loved when I was

799
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:06.840
in tailing to high school into college. A lot of

800
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:10.039
those like Anchor Bay titles, like the original Anchor Bay titles,

801
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.519
and like that dimension extreme and whatnot. And don't be wrong,

802
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:14.719
I still like them, but they had their time, and

803
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.440
they've kind of moved a little lower on the shelf.

804
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:20.199
Give it eight years, yeah, and then they'll be wonderful again,

805
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.400
because right now everybody's really into the nineties, they'll be

806
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:25.559
into the two thousands and no time. We're already knocking

807
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:26.280
on it a little bit.

808
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:28.599
I mean, laid to Rest definitely did hold up. Laid

809
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:29.559
to ress too, not so much.

810
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.079
Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, No, it's funny. I

811
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:34.760
was watching this video about how nostalgia works and stuff,

812
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.199
and it was talking about how like millennials are obsessed

813
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.239
with the nineties, and I was like, yeah, but only

814
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.119
re Like I thought this out lot, and I was like, yeah,

815
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.920
but only recently, like in twenty ten was all the eighties. Yeah,

816
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.199
And then he even mentions like he even says like

817
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:48.000
in twenty eleven, it was all about the eighties. It's

818
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:51.039
always about thirty years. And I was like, it is.

819
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:52.360
It's at least like about.

820
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:54.519
Thirty last three VHS films have been ninety if I'm

821
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:55.079
not mistaken.

822
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.960
Oh yeah, no, people are all thinking about the nineties now,

823
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:00.960
and how I mean, look at the resurgents, So a

824
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:04.159
resurgence of vinyl and VHS. I feel like that's very

825
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.840
eighties coded, more seventies with vinyl, but you know what

826
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.159
I mean, very eighties coded, especially because in the eighties

827
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.960
you got vinyl releases for like rock music, and so

828
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.039
because a lot of people nowadays not so much. But

829
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:16.960
like when I was growing up, when you heard vinyl,

830
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.559
you were thinking like, oh, you're really into like Paul

831
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.159
Anka m h, you know that was what you think of.

832
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.199
Yeah, But then if you think of the eighties, the

833
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:24.960
eighties is when.

834
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:26.719
It's like, oh I got a Cramps record, Oh I

835
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.360
got all these like these things. Now you look at

836
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:32.039
like Vinyl's still running strong without a doubt, but like

837
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:35.719
now there's this resurgence of like cassette tapes, and I

838
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:38.440
see cassette tapes as way more nineties.

839
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.599
We just watched Jason Goes to Hell the New four

840
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:42.960
K from Earrow over the weekend, and then our buddy

841
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:44.880
Ryan at Terror Vision announced that the Jason Goes to

842
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:46.840
Hell soundtrack for the first time ever on cassette, So

843
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:48.199
naturally I had to pre order.

844
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.599
It, and they sold the most cassettes they've ever sold

845
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:51.239
in one sale.

846
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.960
Well, they have to give them a picturel quick. As

847
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:56.800
of right now, they have one through nine, fright thirteenth

848
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:59.840
soundtracks available on cassette. Oh yeah, that's a big fucking deal.

849
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:01.199
I would agree. Yeah.

850
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:05.159
So, but I'm saying so cassettes to me, being a

851
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.159
kid who was born in eighty six, like my walk

852
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:12.440
I had, my first Walkman was a cassette Walkman. Cassette

853
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:14.800
tapes weren't just in the car.

854
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:16.840
They were. They were a thing you they were in

855
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:17.760
the homes they were.

856
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.400
Yeah, and you would record cassettes off the radio and

857
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:23.880
stuff like that. I got my first CD player in

858
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:26.639
like two thousand and one, like personal walkmand CD player

859
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:30.880
in like two thousand and one. So CDs were at

860
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:32.920
the end of the nineties, like to where it was

861
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:34.960
like we'd have a boombox or we had a little

862
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:36.760
stereo in the living room. We'd listen to CDs and

863
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:40.800
we'd get them from you know, we we'd scam what's

864
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:43.119
the house, Columbia house.

865
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:44.159
We would do it.

866
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.079
Oh my mom like would be like, order whatever you

867
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:48.639
want because when they send the bill, I'm gonna say

868
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:53.119
my kid did it, because you did. And that's you

869
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:54.559
always get out. You just said my kid did it,

870
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:57.480
and they're like, oh shoot, oh man, I guess it

871
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.280
really did. Only cost four cents of CD. So I

872
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.280
remember because I got like Jeff Foxworthy stand up comedy album.

873
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.079
I got the Beavis and butt Head CD. I think

874
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:08.360
that was the movie soundtrack.

875
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.679
One of the movie soundtrack, yeah soundtrack, by the way.

876
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:13.079
The Mortal Kombat soundtrack, which is one of the best

877
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:17.320
movie soundtracks. That was that movie and that soundtrack introduced

878
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:22.480
an entire generation to industrial and techno music that had

879
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.079
never really been around it, because I mean, that's why

880
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.639
I first heard KMFDM type o negative.

881
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:29.840
Tracy Lord's had a song on that album, even though

882
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:31.480
I don't know if it was under her name or not.

883
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:33.800
It might have been under the mixer and everything, but yeah,

884
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:35.960
she had a song on that album too, and.

885
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.000
It had some great stuff on there. And I mean

886
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.480
I remember listening to that CD a bunch and then

887
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:45.679
going to like best Buy and they had one KMFDM album. Yeah,

888
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:48.599
and it was KMFDM Sucks, which is a great album,

889
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:50.400
really fun. I think it was EP actually, but it

890
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.000
was really fun. But I remember like jam and the

891
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.599
KMFDM Sucks and listening to all this, and then eventually

892
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:57.920
I got Nile or Nihill I think It's How You

893
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.079
Say It, which was the album that juke Jo and

894
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.960
Jezebel which was from Mortal Kombat was on there, and

895
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:04.840
I would like listen to that all the time. And

896
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:06.840
then that took me down the road to like Snake

897
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:08.840
River Conspiracy and Switchblade Symphony.

898
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:10.199
You have your Snake Rivers Conspiracy.

899
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:12.840
Now that's a great album. That's a that's an album

900
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:14.079
that's a I.

901
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:16.280
On Apple Music. No, you can only listen to on

902
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:17.639
YouTube or if you actually have a CD.

903
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:23.000
I really hope that people that was. That was a

904
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:28.440
fascinating album, really well produced, thought out. The vocalist was

905
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.960
amazing and she was completely unknown. Yeah, so anyway, I

906
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:34.199
could talk about Snake River conspiracy.

907
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:36.599
You keep going with nineties sostyalgia because our movie Tonight

908
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:38.639
is a nineties movie.

909
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.760
And it's a very nostalgic nineties movie to me because

910
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.360
it was on television regular, not HBO either, It was

911
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.639
just on USA, it was on TBS. It was on

912
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:50.039
TNT all the time when I was a kid.

913
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:52.639
Yes, we are wrapping up Listener Request Month with one

914
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.360
of our most requested titles since we started the show,

915
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:57.760
and that is ninety one of them. Yeah, there was.

916
00:39:57.800 --> 00:39:59.119
There was basically a top three, and that's what we

917
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:03.000
chose this month, kid Surviving the Game, and uh, oh

918
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:04.360
shit ready or not?

919
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.239
Wow, I'm spicy Surviving the Game got requested soon. I'm

920
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:09.199
happy about it because this is a movie that I

921
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:11.760
felt like was kind of forgotten for a little while,

922
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.440
and then people would talk about it here and there,

923
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.920
and then when shout factory did their little, their little

924
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.920
blue release, which the movie needed needed because that DVD

925
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:23.480
was rough to watch, Yeah, and the VHS was impossible.

926
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.679
I mean, yes, we'll talk about when we get to

927
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.119
this big night scene at the end. On DVD, it

928
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.559
was hard to watch. On VHS, it was impossible to watch.

929
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.199
I bet, I bet, I wonder how it looked in

930
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:32.719
the theater.

931
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:35.320
Like I said, when when I sent you that clip

932
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:37.280
of Ciskel and Eber that they have it up on

933
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.480
the screen and you can barely tell that's F. Murray

934
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:45.320
Abraham until you hear his voice. F. Murray Abraha. But yes,

935
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.360
we are talking about surviving The game from nineteen ninety four,

936
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:51.480
one hour and thirty six minutes, rated R for strong

937
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.960
violence and language. EMBE synopsis says, a homeless man is

938
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.239
hired as a survivalist guide for a group of wealthy

939
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.920
businessmen on a hunting trip in the mountains, unaware that

940
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.440
they are killers who hunt humans for sport and he

941
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:03.360
is their due prey.

942
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.480
That's a decent that's a decent one. The wording, while

943
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.000
I don't love it, Yeah, like putting words like killers

944
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:12.000
in there is smart. It makes it sound I mean

945
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:14.119
it's just an exciting movie. Yeah, but it makes it

946
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.280
more exciting if you were reading that on the tape.

947
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:18.559
My synopsis, when a homeless man accepts the job as

948
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:20.920
this survivless guide for several wealthy businessmen in the mountains,

949
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:22.800
he will have to use his street smarts and instincts

950
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:26.480
when he suddenly becomes the hunted. That's not bad.

951
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:30.000
I don't want to make this is My only problem

952
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:35.079
is is like spiritual, Yeah, I don't. And this is

953
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.280
this comes down to a person having watched the movie

954
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.599
so many times. What I get from the movie personally. Yeah,

955
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:41.159
I don't think it's his street sparks and stuff. I

956
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:44.000
think it's just his will to live. But that's quibbling.

957
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.599
That is not like be going, David, you're wrong, knock

958
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:48.000
the mic over, bust your nose.

959
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:49.679
You know. Well, I mean we did see him, you know,

960
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.480
making those trees smoke in the beginning of the movie,

961
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:53.760
so I mean he does carry that over into the forest.

962
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:57.480
Those damn those damn city trees always smoking their their

963
00:41:57.639 --> 00:41:58.079
pall mall.

964
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:02.559
Taglines include Jack Mason knows he's going to die someday,

965
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:04.360
but today he's not in the mood.

966
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.920
I kind of love that one, even though I don't

967
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.000
think that's a good tagline in of itself.

968
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:13.159
I love it though, Yeah, how far will you go

969
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:17.079
to stay alive? That's a good tagline. The rules are simple,

970
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:23.119
kill or be killed? Solid the Ultimate man Hunt. The

971
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.400
problem with a killer the rules are simple, killer, be killed.

972
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:28.840
Is that tagline could be a tagline for like a

973
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:30.679
million movies. Oh yeah, because.

974
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:33.519
It's so simple, but it works so well. You could

975
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:36.599
use that so many, so many action movies.

976
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.239
Lastly, the thrill is the kill.

977
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:41.360
That's good. I like that's a good one.

978
00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:44.280
Yeah. At this time, Surviving the Game is currently rentable

979
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.159
on Prime and Fandango, rentable with the new HD transfer

980
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:49.320
that is available now too, and has not been available

981
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:50.559
for a long time.

982
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.480
Yes, no, we were waiting forever to get an HD

983
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:54.079
of this film.

984
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.920
Director on the film is Ernest R. Dickerson. He gets

985
00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:00.679
his start as a cinematographer, Yes, on some credible films.

986
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.360
So he starts with Joe's bedste Stewie Barbershop, We Cut

987
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.119
Heads in eighty three, goes on to do Grand Master

988
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.639
Flash and mel White Lines Don't do It All Right

989
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:13.400
in eighty three, The Brother from Another Planet in eighty four,

990
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.599
he shoots I haven't seen that forever. I love that movie.

991
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:19.599
He shoots Bruce Springsteen's video for Born in the USA

992
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:20.360
in eighty four.

993
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:22.719
That makes sense too. This is something I try to

994
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.159
point out, especially back in the day. Yeah, there are

995
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:28.880
if once you start looking at these credits and start

996
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.000
looking at like the side characters and things, you can

997
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:34.519
very quickly tell like shot near New York and Bruce

998
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.480
Springsteen obviously loves Jersey and he wants to be near Jersey.

999
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.639
Ernie Dickerson hanging out New York because he ends up

1000
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:42.360
falling in very soon we'll be talking about when he

1001
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:43.280
falls in with Spike Lee.

1002
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.199
Yeah, so it makes sense.

1003
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:47.440
It's kind of like you can watch OZ, and then

1004
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:50.840
after you watch OZ, every movie you watch you'll see

1005
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.360
like the guy who's the cab driver.

1006
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.039
And be like, oh, they're shooting near New York.

1007
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:58.400
Because OZ literally had every single character actor New York

1008
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:01.079
had to offer. Yeah, was in that show. I mean

1009
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:04.239
that's what put JK. Simmons on the map as a

1010
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:06.800
character actor to the whole world, because he was a

1011
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:08.679
Broadway guy almost exclusively.

1012
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.239
Was he the M and M before he got OZ?

1013
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:12.440
I don't know. I think so.

1014
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:14.239
I think he was doing because that would make sense

1015
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.440
because like voice work, it's just a matter of like

1016
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:19.679
they used to did you know back in the day,

1017
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.880
do you man, do you know what an ISDN line is? No,

1018
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:26.559
so I don't remember what IDN stands for, and now

1019
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:31.559
I kind of want to ISDN. But IDN Integrated Services

1020
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:36.840
Digital Network. So an DN line was. It was the precursor.

1021
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.320
It was like a It was similar to DSL, which

1022
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.159
was the precursor to not fiber but to a cable Internet.

1023
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:42.400
Yeah.

1024
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.440
It was a dedicated high speed line that guaranteed you

1025
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:47.920
one hundred and I think it was one hundred and

1026
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:49.679
twenty eight. It could be like variable, but it was

1027
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:54.119
a high kilobits per second up and down. Yeah, slow

1028
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:58.960
by broadband standards, but it was dedicated, so that meant

1029
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:02.119
that it never slowed down. It was always the same speed. So,

1030
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:05.960
back in the olden days, if you were in New

1031
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.639
York City and you wanted to do voice work for

1032
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:12.480
a major brand, they would rent a studio and they

1033
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:17.400
would have an ISDN line going to the whethers, to

1034
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:19.760
the engineer in wherever they are, or just to the

1035
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:21.760
board of people and they would listen as you do,

1036
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:23.519
and they would give you notes because they'd be hearing

1037
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:27.840
you in what was basically CD quality sound instantly. That's

1038
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.679
also how like how they used to do radio shows

1039
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:33.599
if people were on remote, like if they did the

1040
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:36.239
radio show in their basement studio, which wasn't very common,

1041
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.000
but when they did, the big thing was like I

1042
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:40.039
want to do the show for my home. I have

1043
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:41.320
to get an ISDN line.

1044
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:43.800
Have you heard the story about JK. Simmons going into

1045
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:47.000
record for there was like a radio thing that they

1046
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:48.920
were doing and they were like, Okay, we want you

1047
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:50.440
to go ahead and like do it like this guy did.

1048
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:52.920
They play a sample and it's JK. Simmons and so

1049
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:54.800
he's like he's like well, He's like I don't mean to,

1050
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:57.000
you know, split hairs here, but that's me, and they're

1051
00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:58.360
like okay, well yeah, just go ahead and do it.

1052
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.159
They went with somebody else. That's funny.

1053
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:04.800
That makes me think of when Pendulette told the story

1054
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.840
about doing voiceover in Vegas and the icdnline was going

1055
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:11.159
to the people in the studio, and in the studio

1056
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:14.760
in Vegas, he was at rip Taylor was there. I

1057
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:16.440
think this is when he was doing Comedy Central a

1058
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:18.280
voice for because he was the voice for Comedy Central,

1059
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:20.400
and so he grabbed Rip and said, like, help me

1060
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.559
do a joke, and he was like okay, so he said, uh.

1061
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:24.199
He was like, hey, guys, real quick, I just wanted

1062
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.400
to pitch something to you. I can do a really

1063
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:29.159
good rip tailor, Like what do you think? And then

1064
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:30.119
he had rip and ripped.

1065
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:31.320
What do you think? What do you think? How does

1066
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:32.079
this sound? How does this sound?

1067
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:36.039
And they were like, pen, you're not an impressionist, Like,

1068
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:42.159
let's just let's just stick to what works. Oh Taylor, Oh,

1069
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:44.039
he thought it was the funniest thing in the world. Well,

1070
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.519
they also didn't ask him to do a rip tailor. Yeah,

1071
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:48.800
it's just that's that's just that just kills me.

1072
00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:51.079
So yeah. He does Born in the USA at eighty four,

1073
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:53.440
then shoots the Patti LaBelle music video for Stirred Up,

1074
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:56.960
then does Crush Groove, shoots Vampires in eighty six.

1075
00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.840
He shot Crush Groove, I Love Crush.

1076
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:02.880
Grow, shot eight episodes of Tales from the Dark Side

1077
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.840
in eighty six, shoots She's Got to Have It, Enemy

1078
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:10.320
Territory in eighty seven, Eddie Murphy raw in eighty seven

1079
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.559
I believe that, then goes on to do School Days Experiments,

1080
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.800
Unlimited de Butt video, The Laser Man, Do the Right

1081
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.719
Thing in eighty nine, Public Enemy, Fight the Power Video,

1082
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:24.000
Fright House, Death by Temptation in nineteen ninety and he

1083
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:28.239
also shoots Mobeta, Blues, Law and Order, Jungle Fever, Sex, Drugs,

1084
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:30.800
and Rock and Roll, The Eric Wagozi and Special Malcolm

1085
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:32.960
X in ninety two, which is also the same year

1086
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:35.679
he becomes a director with Juice in ninety.

1087
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:39.199
Two, phenomenal film, like really, really, a great film. I've

1088
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:43.320
always Ernest Dickerson is one of those directors that I

1089
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.840
have admired deeply. I mean, to go from shooting Bruce

1090
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:49.159
Springsteen and you gotta remember, this is just a guy

1091
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:51.639
from New York who was very talented. He went I

1092
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.719
forget which film school he went to, or I know

1093
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:57.840
he did. Oh he's from Newark originally New Jersey.

1094
00:47:57.880 --> 00:47:58.039
Man.

1095
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.880
He's seventy three years old, Yes he is. His year's

1096
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:04.039
active years active are three years before was born to

1097
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.559
the present. But he uh, I wonder what school. I

1098
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:08.599
was trying to find out what school he went to.

1099
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:12.440
It doesn't matter, but he uh. I mean the fact

1100
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.239
that he goes from Springsteen to like four years later

1101
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.400
shooting Malcolm X. Yeah, incredible, he was.

1102
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:20.800
Shooting so he had already directed Juice and he was

1103
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.840
shooting Malcolm X in Egypt and reading the reviews from Juice.

1104
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:26.679
That's epic. He talks about that on the commentary. Yeah,

1105
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:29.079
that is sick. So that he directs Surviving the Game

1106
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:30.960
in ninety four, follows that up with Tails from the

1107
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:33.760
crypt Demon Knight follows that up with Bulletproof, then goes

1108
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:35.840
on to the Dude Blind Faith a Bush. That one

1109
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:39.000
with Patrick Patrick. Oh my god, Robert Patrick, who watched

1110
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:40.599
I love that was a solid one.

1111
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:43.000
Robert Patrick had some great B movies because they just

1112
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:44.719
saw the cool surface for the first time.

1113
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:47.719
Yeah, which to watch it? You love it? Oh, I'm

1114
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:51.000
sure I will. Robert Patrick. I mean the ones we found,

1115
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:53.000
the few we found, the one of him and Rooker

1116
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:57.280
wrote Rogue Squad or fuck what was it called rogue

1117
00:48:57.320 --> 00:48:59.760
Patrol or something like that. That was really good. Uh,

1118
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:03.400
Framed by Deception was really good, But I think the

1119
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:07.119
last gas where he gets possessed by a warrior was

1120
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.559
probably the wildest one. Yeah. Rogue Force, Rogue Force. Yeah,

1121
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:12.920
next two, Zero Tolerance where he was, you know, just

1122
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:14.320
a complete fucking badass.

1123
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:16.639
Oh my god, Zero Tolerance was so much fun.

1124
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:20.320
So Ambush in ninety eight, follows up The Future Sport,

1125
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.800
followed by Strange Justice, Night Visions, then directs Bones in

1126
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:27.920
two thousand and one, Our America, Monday Night Mayhem, Good Fences,

1127
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.000
Never Die Alone with DMX he does in two thousand

1128
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.800
and four, followed by Third Watch episodes of The l Word,

1129
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:37.239
Crossing Jordan, Criminal Minds, CSI, Miami Heroes, Masters of Horror,

1130
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:40.920
The v Word Er, The forty four Hundred, Weeds, The Wire,

1131
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:45.440
Fear Itself, Medium Bird Notice, Vampire Diaries, The Cape, Low

1132
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.000
Winter Sun, Dexter, Sleepy Hollow, Once upon a Time, Under

1133
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.519
the Dome, Walking Dead, Damien, The Deuce, I'm Dying up Here,

1134
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:56.039
House of Cards, The Purge, Bosh Parish, and Bosh Legacy

1135
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:56.840
in twenty twenty five.

1136
00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:58.400
Man, he got in the.

1137
00:49:58.320 --> 00:49:59.360
TV and didn't stop.

1138
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.639
But well, but my point is he got into TV

1139
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.639
right when it became premium, like he didn't He didn't

1140
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:08.239
have to schlep doing any like cheap shows. He was

1141
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:09.599
doing all the big stuff right away.

1142
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:11.840
Monday Night Mayhem in two thousand and two. Is that

1143
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:15.320
big TNT movie about Asell. I remember that, yeah, and

1144
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:16.599
that was a very big deal when it came out.

1145
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:18.760
I remember, like they were promoing the hell out of that.

1146
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:21.880
But I man, I didn't realize he got in so

1147
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:24.480
so early, like right when showtime in HBO and stuff,

1148
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.239
we're making these really incredible shows. He was right there

1149
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.760
directing episodes. Yeah, it makes sense. I mean he's he's

1150
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.960
damn good. And I want to mention Bones is incredibly

1151
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:37.079
I love it was underrated. I think now people appreciate it.

1152
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.920
Ever since that shout to a Stream Factory bluere came out,

1153
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:41.559
it seems like it's getting a little bit more appreciation.

1154
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:43.599
Oh yeah, So we have two writers on the film

1155
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.079
because technically this is based off of Richard Connell's short

1156
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:47.840
story from nineteen twenty four to the Most Dangerous Game

1157
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:48.159
Out one of.

1158
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:52.480
My favorite not my favorite short story. I've read it once. Yeah,

1159
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:57.320
my favorite story to be adapt adapted. I you give

1160
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:00.000
me any adaptation of Most Dangerous Game and I'm excited.

1161
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:01.880
Well, just just to name a few before we get there.

1162
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.079
So we've got the Naked Prey in nineteen sixty six,

1163
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:06.639
We've got the woman hunting seventy two, Turkey Shoot in

1164
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:10.360
eighty two, Let me some Turkey Shoot, Slave Girls from

1165
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:13.039
Beyond Infinity in eighty seven, Deadly Prey in eighty seven,

1166
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:15.639
Hard Target in ninety three, Surviving the Game in ninety four,

1167
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:17.000
The Past in ninety seven.

1168
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.559
You know, I always forget if it's a most dangerous game,

1169
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:21.559
but it totally is?

1170
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.880
It totally is? I mostly just enjoy when he's farting Dracula. Oh,

1171
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:25.840
I mean who doesn't.

1172
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:28.559
And I don't mean that he's farting out Dracula. I

1173
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.159
mean that he is a drafting draft bark in the shower,

1174
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:32.760
and well, where else are you going to be a

1175
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:33.400
farting drafto?

1176
00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:36.639
Then one I forgot about Apocalyptico, the Mel Gibson film

1177
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.159
in two thousand and six is technically one. Have you

1178
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:42.400
seen Apocalyptico, Apocalyptole, Apocalypto.

1179
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.320
Yeah, sorry, I saw it for the first time in November.

1180
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:47.639
It's great of last year. No, it's phenomenal film. I

1181
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:50.639
had no idea because it ended up putting Rachel and

1182
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:53.880
I on a NonStop Mel Gibson marathon because she had

1183
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.400
never seen the man without a face and she had

1184
00:51:56.440 --> 00:52:01.440
never seen Hacksaw Ridge. Oh yeah, pretty much everything else. Yeah,

1185
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:03.880
but I had never seen Apocalypto, so she showed me

1186
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:06.679
Apocalypto and then we just snowballed into like, man, I

1187
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:08.000
haven't seen a man without a face of forever.

1188
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:09.320
And she was like, what's that? And I was like, oh,

1189
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:11.360
good one, it's a great film. So we also have

1190
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:14.199
last week's episode Ready or Not is technically one, The

1191
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:18.000
Hunt in twenty twenty, Tremor Shrieker Island in twenty twenty,

1192
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:20.519
Apex the Most Dangerous Game remake in twenty twenty two,

1193
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.320
and most recently Death Hunt in twenty twenty two, which

1194
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:27.280
is a Canadian version. Yeah, so very polite, very polite.

1195
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:29.199
Oh hey there, we're gonna hunt you for sport a.

1196
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:32.559
So the other writer on the film is Eric Burnt.

1197
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.119
He gets to start writing the screenplay for Surviving the

1198
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.800
Game in ninety four, goes on to write Virtuosity in

1199
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:41.639
ninety five. He follows that up with Romeo mus Die Wow,

1200
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:44.719
followed by Highlander End Game in two thousand, Vegas Baby

1201
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:46.559
in two thousand and six, the Hitcher remake in two

1202
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:50.599
thousand and seven, another Rugger Howard Well original Rugger Howard Yeah, Yeah,

1203
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:52.760
The Echo in two thousand and eight, and z Nation

1204
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:53.639
in twenty fifteen.

1205
00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:55.719
Really yeah, interesting career.

1206
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:59.840
Our cinematographer is Bojon Bizzelli, who gets his start as

1207
00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:02.679
a DP on China Girl in eighty seven, goes on

1208
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:06.239
to shoot tape heads Patty Hurst Pumpkinhead in eighty eight,

1209
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.880
follows that up with The Comeback, then shoots Big Man

1210
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:12.719
on Campus in eighty nine, Haunting of Sarah Hardy in

1211
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.400
eighty nine, King of New York in eighty nine, The

1212
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:20.239
Christopher Walking movie Okay, a gnome called Norm. Okay.

1213
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:21.280
Now we're getting into art.

1214
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:24.920
Mariah Carey Visions of Love music video Mariah Carey Love

1215
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:28.360
Takes Time music video Fever in ninety one, The Rapture

1216
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.719
Deep Cover in ninety two with Laurence Fishburne. The Fear

1217
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:34.239
Inside follows that up with boxing Helena in ninety three,

1218
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:37.159
follows that up with one of your favorites in My Favorites,

1219
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:38.880
Body Snatchers in ninety three.

1220
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:45.719
He shot bodies, he shot, he snatched body shotters. There

1221
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.320
we go, Wow, that's it. So speaking of films that

1222
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:52.280
desperately needed a Blu Ray, yeah, that one just got

1223
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:57.119
a simple Warner Archive Blu ray, but looks phenomenal. Finally

1224
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.440
seeing that, and I'm not I'm not trying to be

1225
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.280
that guy, but I sometimes I can be. Seeing that

1226
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:06.519
film in the original two thirty five super wide aspect

1227
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:10.920
ratio made that movie so much better because when I

1228
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:13.559
watched it in the proper aspect ratio, Because what happens

1229
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:15.559
with these movies when they're shot super wide back in

1230
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:17.840
the day more so than now, is they used to

1231
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.199
just crop them into be normal sixty by nine for Cable. Yeah,

1232
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:27.000
that's how I didn't see I didn't see oh gosh,

1233
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.400
the Alec Baldwin Bear movie, Oh of the Edge, The Edge.

1234
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:32.440
I didn't see The Edge in its proper aspect ratio

1235
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:34.079
until the Blue, very until I bought the Blu ray

1236
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:36.440
because every at the time, like I watched it on

1237
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:38.599
Stars or whatever, and it was always cropped in a bit.

1238
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:39.039
Yeah.

1239
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:45.239
So, but Body Snatcher's in particular, every shot tells the story.

1240
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:48.599
So when you see the shots as they're exactly as

1241
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:53.280
they were meant to be seen, that movie becomes way scarier.

1242
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.159
I think, honestly, even though there you know, there is

1243
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:57.039
the there's the history with it about how it was

1244
00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:59.440
basically taken away from Able and everything, and the Studio

1245
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.800
did interfere with it massively. I still think it is

1246
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:05.760
one of the most underrated adaptations of Body Snatchers in general.

1247
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:08.480
We should do an underrated adaptation. I'd be down for that,

1248
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:09.679
like because we could.

1249
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:10.000
Start with that.

1250
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:12.119
Yeah, and just and you know what, a lot of

1251
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.480
them will be from the late eighties in the nineties, Yes,

1252
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.920
say would, And I bet you, I bet you almost

1253
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:19.159
all of them would be from like eighty eight to

1254
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:20.920
like two thousand and nine.

1255
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.800
Probably so. His Body Snatches in ninety three, follows that

1256
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:26.400
up with California with a K, the Brad Pitt movie

1257
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:29.920
Love Me Some California, shoots sugar Hill in ninety four,

1258
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.239
then shoots Surviving the Game the same year, follows that

1259
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:34.880
up with Dangerous Beauty The Ring in two thousand and two,

1260
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.440
then shoots Mister and Missus Smith in two thousand and five,

1261
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:39.920
Hair Spray remake in two thousand and seven, g Fours

1262
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.440
in two thousand and nine, Sorceers Apprentice in twenty ten,

1263
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:46.239
Burlesquan twenty ten, Rock of Ages, The Lone Ranger, Petee Dragon,

1264
00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:49.960
Spectral Cure for Wellness in twenty sixteen, six Underground for

1265
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:54.840
Netflix in twenty nineteen, Underwater in twenty twenty Oh shit,

1266
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:57.800
Snake Eyes in twenty twenty one, follows that up with

1267
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:00.159
Murder Mystery Too, the Adam Sandlor movie for Netflix in

1268
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.880
twenty twenty three, and most recently shot Peter Pan and

1269
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:05.280
Wendy in twenty twenty three for Disney Plus. Wow.

1270
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.280
Yeah, that's a hell of a career. Yeah it is

1271
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.280
because I was wondering. I now no longer wonder, but

1272
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:11.559
for a second I was wondering. I was like, I

1273
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:13.239
wonder what would be like to be the DP for

1274
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.000
a guy who started as a DP but he was

1275
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:18.360
already his credentials were pretty sick by the time he

1276
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:21.280
got to Surviving the game. Oh yeah, because California is

1277
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:23.960
a great film, very underrated. Yeah, really good film, and

1278
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.320
it looks great. It's very Yeah. This dude, this dude

1279
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:29.079
had has chops.

1280
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:31.199
Boxing Helena is one I really really want to see again.

1281
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:34.719
But getting a copy of it right now is fucking hard. Yep, God,

1282
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.199
so mood. Out of our cast, we have mister Rugger Howard,

1283
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:40.280
who plays Thomas Burns in the film one hundred and

1284
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.079
seventy four credits on his resume, by the way, not surprised,

1285
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:46.719
not at all so starts with Monjeur Hardwin in sixty eight,

1286
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:49.199
follows it up with Floree in sixty nine, Turkish Delight

1287
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:53.159
in seventy three, Hard to Remember, Willoughby Conspiracy, Cold Blood,

1288
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:57.239
Soldier of Orange Mysteries. Then his first US movie for

1289
00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:01.280
the most part is nineteen eighty one Nighthawks with Celevesterilone replaces.

1290
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:03.239
Terror Hawks a Lot. Yeah, that's a great film.

1291
00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:05.679
Goes on to the Star in Channel Solitaire, follows that

1292
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:08.079
up with Inside the Third Reich, then does Blade Runner

1293
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:10.880
in eighty two. That would put you on the map. Yeah.

1294
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:12.920
Then he follows that up with Eureka, goes on to

1295
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.599
the Oasterman Weekend a Breed Apart, Lady Hawk in eighty five,

1296
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:19.280
then does Flesh and Blood, The Hitcher in eighty six,

1297
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.280
Wanted Dead or Alive in eighty six, Escape from Sobovore

1298
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:24.960
in eighty seven, Legend of the Holy Drinker in eighty eight,

1299
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:28.760
Blind Fury The Blood of Heroes aka Rise Salute of

1300
00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:31.400
the Juggernauts is the other title that goes by. Then

1301
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:34.719
he does Law the Desert, Wedlock Past Midnight, Split Second,

1302
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:36.679
Buffy the Vampire Slayer in ninety two.

1303
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:40.559
Oh Man he's so good in Buffy the Empire Slayer.

1304
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:43.400
Blindside in ninety three. Arctic Blue then does survive in

1305
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:46.760
the game in ninety four, Nostre Damis Fatherland, Cross worlds

1306
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:49.840
Omega Doom, The Call of the Wild Blast in ninety seven,

1307
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:53.320
which was that terrorist Olympic swim team movie that we watched.

1308
00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:56.320
Yes, I'd love to watch Call the Wild, Call.

1309
00:57:56.239 --> 00:58:00.000
The Wild's Good Breeders in ninety seven, Merlin Simon Magnus

1310
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:03.320
Partners in Crime, The Tenth Kingdom, Slow Burned, Turbulence three

1311
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:07.280
Heavy Metal in nineteen ninety nine, or Excent two thousand

1312
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:08.960
and one. Then he does The Room, which he directs

1313
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.079
in two thousand and one. Not that one? Why Yeah,

1314
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:14.400
I don't think it was that one. Last words of

1315
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:17.480
Dutch sults, followed by Confessions of a Dangerous Mind alias

1316
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.360
Dracula two, The Ascension, Smallville Salem's Lot remake in two

1317
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:25.119
thousand and four, Sin City Batman begins Dracula three, Legacy

1318
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:29.519
Beside Adventure remaking five, Hunt for Eagle one, Minotaur, Dead Tone,

1319
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:33.480
Moving McAllister, Bride, Flight, Price of Motor City, Spoon, Hobo

1320
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:36.000
with the Shotgun in twenty eleven. One of my Favorites

1321
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:39.599
follows that up with The Right Then. Unfortunately, in twenty twelve,

1322
00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:43.840
he stars as Are. He stars in Daria Ragento's Dracula

1323
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:44.239
three D.

1324
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:46.559
I think you'd be kinder to that film if you

1325
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:47.880
saw it in the theater in three D.

1326
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:51.159
Maybe, But that's that praying Manta scene though.

1327
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.639
It's more of a spectacle. Yeah, I lucked out. I

1328
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:54.239
got to see it.

1329
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:56.199
I will say there is one thing. There is one

1330
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:57.559
thing I really like about the movie, and it's not

1331
00:58:57.559 --> 00:58:59.400
really a spoiler, because mean, it's been out over ten

1332
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.400
years at this point, but I love the scene where

1333
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:03.760
the townspeople meet in the tavern and you find out

1334
00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:06.639
that they've secretly been working with Dracula and covering his tracks. Yeah,

1335
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.519
they're going to stop, and that's why he kills them all.

1336
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:10.039
I love that little story element.

1337
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:12.079
That's a cool element. Yeah, I would agree very much.

1338
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.360
I really like that element. So Wilfrid in twenty fourteen,

1339
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:18.480
True Blood, Scorpion King four, Quest for Power, Gallivant Last Kingdom,

1340
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:23.079
Drawing Home Gangsterdam in twenty seventeen follows that up with

1341
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:26.079
twenty four Hours to Live Channel zero. Corbin Nash, the

1342
00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:29.360
sister's brother in twenty eighteen and Iron Mask in twenty nineteen.

1343
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.280
We unfortunately lost him in twenty nineteen July nineteenth at

1344
00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:34.800
age seventy five due to a short illness that didn't

1345
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:36.480
specify what exactly.

1346
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:40.519
Man I mean, Rutger Hower is incredible. Oh yeah, And

1347
00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:43.599
he's one of those guys who kind of became he

1348
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:48.639
became like Dennis Hopper and a couple of those other

1349
00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:52.000
guys who were like the perfect, like heavy, and they'd

1350
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:54.119
be in a smaller movie, they'd be in a bigger movie.

1351
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:55.400
I remember what a big.

1352
00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:57.880
Deal it was when he got in The Dark Night, Yeah,

1353
00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:00.440
because he had kind of been only doing the smaller

1354
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:02.639
most stuff. Yeah, and then all of a sudden he

1355
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:04.800
was in it was the same thing. Uh, they didn't

1356
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:09.360
they put Eric Roberts in one of those, Yeah, in

1357
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:11.920
the Dark Knight, In the Dark Knight, Yeah, Yeah, he's

1358
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:13.400
in The Gangster. That was another one too, where he

1359
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:14.920
was like he had at that point, he was starting

1360
01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:16.880
to be mostly just on TV, yeah, and the little

1361
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:18.639
B movies, and then all of a sudden he got

1362
01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:21.239
his cachet went way up again because he was in.

1363
01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:23.639
The Dark Knight. But it's no Halloween Puppy it is

1364
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:24.760
no Halloween puppy.

1365
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.239
Hey, I love Eric Roberts and I love it. Have

1366
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:29.360
you heard like when he talks about doing that. Oh yeah,

1367
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:31.320
he's like, I like to work. Shut up. Yeah, I

1368
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:33.840
love that. I need to I have his autobiography. I

1369
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:34.519
need to listen to it.

1370
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:35.920
You also need to see all the stock to one

1371
01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:37.719
of my doctors. We need to watch those like we

1372
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:39.880
need to just binge all five one day. I would

1373
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:42.719
love to, honestly. Yeah. So we also have in the

1374
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:45.119
cast iced t who plays Jack Mason. He gets to

1375
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:47.960
start in nineteen eighty three in Fame, then goes on

1376
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:50.000
to do Break It in eighty four, followed by breaking

1377
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:53.159
to Electric Boogloo in eighty four, follows that up with Rappin,

1378
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:55.480
then gets his big start in New Jack City in

1379
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:58.559
ninety one, follows that up with future episode Ricochet in

1380
01:00:58.599 --> 01:00:59.960
ninety one. Did you ever read?

1381
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:04.440
Ice Opinion is his first book. It's revertally it's really good.

1382
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:06.639
But my favorite thing about that is when he's because

1383
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:08.000
it is New Zek City is the one who plays

1384
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:09.880
a cop. Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought. So I

1385
01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:11.559
just want to make sure I remembered it right. So

1386
01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:15.199
he talked about how he was worried about playing a cop. Yeah,

1387
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:18.159
because you know his everything. Yeah, you know the cop

1388
01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:20.280
killer song, on top of oh we'll talk about cop

1389
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:22.920
on top of inventing gangster rap, yeah, which I do

1390
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.320
believe he invented gangster rap. I believe six in the

1391
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:27.360
Morning is the first gangster rap song. Come at me,

1392
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:31.639
I don't care. But the way he described it in

1393
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:33.760
the book is he went to some of his friends,

1394
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:36.159
you know, from the hood, and was like, what do

1395
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:39.079
you think about me playing a cop? And they were like, well,

1396
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:40.719
are you gonna play a good Are you playing like

1397
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:42.400
a bad cop or you playing a good cop? And

1398
01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:44.599
they'd be like, I'm playing like a good cop. Yeah,

1399
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:46.519
like a cop who means well. And he's like, then

1400
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:49.000
I don't see a problem. Can I be in the movie?

1401
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:50.199
That's funny?

1402
01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:52.119
Well, then the joke was because then he was like,

1403
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:55.079
so then I contacted my buddies in the penitentiary and

1404
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:56.920
they said, well, is he a bad guy or a

1405
01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:58.079
good guy? He's like, no, he's a good guy, and

1406
01:01:58.119 --> 01:01:59.760
I'll be able to like do something good with him,

1407
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:02.320
like awesome. Then I say do it? If I got

1408
01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:03.159
it released, could I be.

1409
01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:03.639
In the movie?

1410
01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:05.519
So the joke was that, like nobody cared that he

1411
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:06.920
was going to be a copy, just wanted to be

1412
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:08.519
in the movie because they thought it was so cool

1413
01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:09.639
he was going to be in a movie.

1414
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:11.840
So he does Ricochet ninety one, follows that up with

1415
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:15.280
another future episode, Trespass in ninety two, phenomenal film See

1416
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.639
Before in ninety three, Who's the Man ninety three? Does

1417
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:19.840
Survive in the Game in ninety four, then Tank Girl,

1418
01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:24.280
Johnny Namonic, New York Undercover, Swift, Justice, La Heat, even

1419
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:27.159
his a voice on Duckman in ninety seven. I remember

1420
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:31.840
that Duckman was something below Utopia aka body Count in

1421
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:32.360
ninety seven.

1422
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:34.639
Yeah, I'll never let that one go. You picked that

1423
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:35.119
one over me.

1424
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:39.039
Mean Guns in ninety seven, Crazy six, Welcome to Paradox Exile,

1425
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:40.679
Judgment Day in ninety nine, which.

1426
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:43.119
We watched Judgment Day. That's a fun one.

1427
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:47.039
Urban Menace in ninety nine, Batman Beyond Final Voyage, Vip

1428
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:50.320
Fresno Smooth, the Wrecking Crew in two thousand, leppin the

1429
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:52.599
Hood aka leprec On five in two thousand in the

1430
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:54.320
Hood and He's up to no good Luck of the

1431
01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:57.079
Draw in two thousand, The Heist, Law and Order SVU

1432
01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.599
in two thousand, which he is still on I think today, Yeah,

1433
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:01.679
I think you're Then he does three Thousand Miles to

1434
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:03.599
Graceland in two thousand and one. Have you seen that movie?

1435
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:06.000
So his character is one of my all time favorites.

1436
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:10.119
He's he's an assassin. That Kevin not Kevin Klein. Wow,

1437
01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:11.239
why am I blinking on his name?

1438
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:15.480
Kevin Bacon cos Coster three Kevin, So he got there.

1439
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:18.400
Kevin Coster hires him tip for this final shootout the

1440
01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:20.199
end of the movie, and when he walks up, he's

1441
01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:23.519
kidnapped Kurt Russell's it's not his kid, but it's the

1442
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:25.480
kid he's been with the movie. That's Courty Cox's son.

1443
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:27.559
And he's got like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich

1444
01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:29.559
and iced tea. Walks up and he's like, you want

1445
01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:33.119
a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? And he's like, yeah,

1446
01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:35.320
I love that well.

1447
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:40.039
And the late nineties was when he could when he

1448
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:43.519
was a pretty big name for low budget yeah action

1449
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:45.440
and by in this area, low budget was like a

1450
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:47.719
million and a half dollars or two million dollars, because

1451
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:49.719
he did some for Fred Ray, he did some for

1452
01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.719
Jim Minorski. There's a picture of Fred Ray holding one

1453
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:55.679
of Fred's babies, or picture of Fred Ray with Iced

1454
01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:57.599
tea yea and Iced. He's holding one of his babies.

1455
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:00.400
Apparently Ice loves kids. Yeah, like loves Louis because he

1456
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.400
loved being a dad and everything. So there's a picture

1457
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:05.480
I'm holding the I forget which which which one of

1458
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:07.320
them it was, but holding him on the set of

1459
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.360
I can't remember which one was, like Stealth Bomber, Yeah,

1460
01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:13.280
and uh. But apparently he said Ice was super fun

1461
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:16.159
because he just he was like he didn't take it.

1462
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:18.599
He didn't take it, not seriously, but he was also

1463
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:20.400
just kind of like, this is the fun thing I do.

1464
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:22.800
Like what I what I work hard at is writing

1465
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:23.559
wrap music.

1466
01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:26.840
So the best thing about that is so you get

1467
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:28.760
that scene with him, and then we get into the

1468
01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:30.960
shootout at the end of the movie and Ice shows

1469
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:33.880
up by spinning on this rope and just twirling machine

1470
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:38.000
guns as he's going through. That's so good. Okay, So

1471
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:40.280
he does Deadly Rhapsody in two thousand and one, Our

1472
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:42.119
Exbus in two thousand and one Air Rage.

1473
01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:43.039
I like our X mess.

1474
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:44.880
I watched it a while back and wasn't a big

1475
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:46.480
fan of it. I probably need to revisit it.

1476
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:49.039
I think it's an acquired taste. I think your axmis

1477
01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:52.000
is like if you like, he's like liking sardines on

1478
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:53.199
its first it's.

1479
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:58.000
A label label Ferrara later for I can't talk to me,

1480
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:03.360
a later able Ferrara fil Label Ferrara Ladle Ladel Ferrara

1481
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:08.519
speaking of Body Stanchards, which Abel Ferrara directed. So but yeah,

1482
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:11.400
that he does air Range a Blaze, Gangland, Stranded. He

1483
01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:13.440
does a voice in Gta s and Andreas two thousand

1484
01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:16.159
and four. I remember that up in Harlem, Law and Order,

1485
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:20.639
The Other Guys, which he's the narrator of, Yes, Gears

1486
01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:23.320
of War three thirty Rock, Once upon a Time in Brooklyn,

1487
01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:27.440
Crossed the Line, Chicago, Pde Younger, Unbreakable, Kimmy Schmidt, Blood Runners,

1488
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.280
which was basically Boardwalk Empire with vampires and he was

1489
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:32.719
the head Vampire. Sounds a lot cooler than it was.

1490
01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:34.639
It was not that good, it was not. I remember

1491
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:39.199
Blood Runners, Deadly Class in twenty nineteen, Ugly Dolls, Borderlands three,

1492
01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:41.920
SNL paid A three, and most recently was on Rick

1493
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:45.679
and Morty in twenty twenty three. Oh yeah, So also

1494
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:48.320
on our cast we have mister Gary Busey, who plays

1495
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:51.519
Doc Hawkins's one hundred and eighty four credit on his resume.

1496
01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:55.000
Not surprised again, Nope, gets his start in nineteen sixty seven.

1497
01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:58.079
He played a lot of hippies early on in his career. Imagine,

1498
01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:00.679
yeah does love nds sixty seven?

1499
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:03.039
Do you think he like got like like do you

1500
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:04.800
think he was playing all these hippies? Then one night

1501
01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:06.480
he like fell asleep with chewing gum in his mouth,

1502
01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:07.599
and he had to cut all his hair off, and

1503
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:11.400
somebody went, oh, you're a psychopath. Like once you're hairless,

1504
01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:13.719
you're like a bear. You're way scarier with no hair.

1505
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:16.719
Yeah. So he does the Lovens in sixty seven, follows

1506
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:19.440
up with Wild in the Streets, Dan August, Angela, Hard

1507
01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:22.360
as they Come, The Magnificent, Magnificent seven rides again in

1508
01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:26.159
seventy two, Dirty Little Billy Bonanza, Kung Fu, Last American

1509
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:28.639
Hero in seventy three, Thunderbolt and light Foot in seventy four,

1510
01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:32.280
which is probably like one of his earliest Like Big

1511
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:35.079
Roles follows that up with the Log, goes on to

1512
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:38.360
be in Gunsmoke Barretta The Gumball Rally Star is born

1513
01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:40.960
in seventy six, where he plays Chris Roberson's handler.

1514
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:43.280
Well, I don't, I don't. I don't know much about

1515
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:44.320
him pre eighties.

1516
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:46.920
Yeah, he's actually, he's in a a lot of good stuff.

1517
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:48.719
Early on, does Straight Time in seventy eight, The Buddy

1518
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:52.280
Holly Story in seventy eight. Okay, that one I love. Yeah,

1519
01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:56.239
very impressive, Big Wednesday in seventy eight, Carney in nineteen eighty,

1520
01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:59.760
Fool Around in nineteen eighty, DC Cabin eighty three, The Bear,

1521
01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:03.039
and eighty four Insignificance. Then does Silver Bullet in eighty five,

1522
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:05.679
follows that up with an appearance on The Hitchhiker, then

1523
01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:08.159
does Let's Get Harry in eighty six. Then the same

1524
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:10.840
year he does a little film also future episode I

1525
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:16.199
Have the Tiger in eighty six. That is a motion picture.

1526
01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:18.639
It is a motion picture, indeed, And if you're worried,

1527
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:20.199
they're not gonna use the song I Have the Tiger,

1528
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:23.079
Don't worry, Yeah, don't don't worry at all. Leath a

1529
01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:25.639
Weapon in eighty seven. So he did that immediately after.

1530
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:28.159
And that's the one that really kind of established him

1531
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:30.079
as a as a character actor.

1532
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:32.079
Yeah, in everything well, because then he follows leath a

1533
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:35.119
weapon up with in the same year Bulletproof, butt Horn.

1534
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:38.880
Watch Out but Horn. That Do I ever tell you

1535
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:40.280
how I saw that movie for the first time.

1536
01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:42.480
I just found out recently that Fred Ray was the

1537
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:43.639
one that kind of wrote that movie.

1538
01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:45.760
He developed it, Yeah, and it got taken out from

1539
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.719
under him, and once they boosted the budget, they just

1540
01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:49.679
kind of swapped him out.

1541
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:50.159
Yeah.

1542
01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:53.519
And but I saw that movie back when my TV

1543
01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:56.480
was was the broadcast channel was on all the time.

1544
01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:58.119
It was on one night when I was getting ready

1545
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:01.360
to go to sleep, and so no, now the moment

1546
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:06.760
he said butt Horn, not only did I start watching it, Yeah,

1547
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:10.199
but I text messaged Andrew Shearer, my buddy, and was like,

1548
01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:12.159
because he always was up late and this is probably

1549
01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:14.239
midnight or so, yeah, and I just said I'm watching

1550
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:17.960
this movie called Bulletproof, and he immediately replies, like just

1551
01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:20.760
immediately instantly goes you know, I think they really thought

1552
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:23.199
butt horn was gonna happen, Like everybody was gonna be

1553
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:23.880
saying butt horn.

1554
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:25.319
He says it a lot in that movie.

1555
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:26.039
Yes, he does.

1556
01:08:26.479 --> 01:08:28.520
Bt does. By the way, I know we're we're on

1557
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:30.239
the air typically right now. But I just got an

1558
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:32.079
extra copy of that. Do you want it? Because it's

1559
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:33.960
hard to come by and I found it for cheap

1560
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:36.079
because Shout put it out in a four pack. Yeah,

1561
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:38.800
I'll take it. Okay, that'd be grant yours. Dangerous Life

1562
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:40.880
at eighty eight. Hider in the House in eighty nine.

1563
01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:44.720
Now, whatever you think about Hyder in the House, hum,

1564
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:47.600
that poster is amazing, excelsior.

1565
01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:49.439
This is like the third time we've talked about Hyder

1566
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:50.079
in the House on the.

1567
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:54.159
Poster though, he's just behind a window, all lit with

1568
01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:58.880
all the uced and just looking on freaking terrifying.

1569
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:01.199
Follows that up with the on Empire in eighty nine,

1570
01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:04.479
then Predator Tow in nineteen ninety, point Break in ninety one,

1571
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:06.960
Wild Texas Win in ninety one, The Player in ninety two,

1572
01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:10.520
which I did not remember him in, I mean, how

1573
01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:14.119
could you not? Canvas in ninety two, is under Siege

1574
01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:16.039
in ninety two, The Firm in ninety three. He is

1575
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:16.760
great in the firm.

1576
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:19.359
He's phenomenal in the front of the no he's highly

1577
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:21.319
rememberable and memorable.

1578
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:22.840
In the firm. Rookie of the Year in ninety three,

1579
01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:26.119
which he plays it straight.

1580
01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:28.640
I love those little moments where you see is just

1581
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:31.319
an a normal ass, like family movie, Yes, and he

1582
01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:34.159
nails it. I mean like even Silver Bullet, he's so normal.

1583
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:36.079
Oh yeah, except he's just like a little kookie.

1584
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:36.880
He's a little cookie.

1585
01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:38.640
I love well, he's a little kookie in every role.

1586
01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:41.159
I love the Jackass joke and Silver Bullets my all

1587
01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:43.840
time favorites. Then he does followed Angels in ninety three,

1588
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.119
Breaking Point in ninety four, same year he has survived

1589
01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:48.319
in the game. Follows that up with Chasers, followed by

1590
01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.439
Drop Zone, Man with the Gun, carried Away Black Sheep

1591
01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:53.239
in ninety six, which I completely forgot he was in,

1592
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:56.319
even though he's a huge part. Oh shit, Yeah, follows

1593
01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:59.479
that up with one clean move, then Lost Highway, Steel Sharks,

1594
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:02.800
rough Right, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas Detour Soldier

1595
01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:05.479
in ninety eight. Appears on Walker Texas Ranger, which I've

1596
01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:07.520
got to see because I don't remember him ever. On

1597
01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:08.479
Walker Texas Ranger.

1598
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:11.199
I don't recall that, but I believe it that he

1599
01:10:11.239 --> 01:10:11.840
would pop up.

1600
01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:13.399
What if he's not the villain, what if he's just

1601
01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:13.960
like a mayor.

1602
01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:16.960
Honestly, I bet he's not the villainy. They did a

1603
01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:19.880
lot of cool stuff with Walker Texas Ranger on the

1604
01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:21.119
sidekicks Blu Ray.

1605
01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:21.680
Yeah.

1606
01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:25.319
The interview with Aaron Norris, he talks about so much

1607
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:28.720
interesting stuff, including how he never intended to work on

1608
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:29.920
Walker Texas Ranger at all.

1609
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:33.159
Yeah, and took over writing in like the fourths.

1610
01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:35.239
No, it was like it was the second I believe,

1611
01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:36.920
Oh was it. I think it was that early because

1612
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:40.079
it was it was rating really low. Yeah, And they

1613
01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:41.880
had said that they'd give him some obscene I wish

1614
01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:43.239
I could remember the exact numbers, but they said they

1615
01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:45.600
give him some kind of obscene pay bump if he

1616
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:47.720
could get them in the top fifteen or whatever. And

1617
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:48.840
they were in the top like five.

1618
01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:52.199
Because I think he was if I'm not mistaken, he's

1619
01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:55.880
the one that's behind the ancestor stories that popped up

1620
01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:57.800
throughout the series. I think he wrote all this well,

1621
01:10:57.840 --> 01:10:59.079
he was the showrunner. Yeah.

1622
01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:02.159
And what happened was he said that the problem with

1623
01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:05.960
Walker was that it didn't have like initially, it didn't

1624
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.359
really have like an emotional center. It was just about

1625
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:11.479
Chuck Norris. Yeah, and he said that the problem that

1626
01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:13.479
they had and this is what endeared me to Aaron

1627
01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:17.239
Norris so much, Chuck Norris's brother, Yeah, was He said that,

1628
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:19.760
he was like, this is the problem is some people

1629
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:21.960
don't understand what people like about Chuck.

1630
01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:22.279
Yeah.

1631
01:11:22.279 --> 01:11:23.880
They think that what they like about Chuck is he

1632
01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:24.640
can fight or whatever.

1633
01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:24.960
He's like.

1634
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:28.840
No, what they like is seeing Chuck in these situations

1635
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:32.760
where he's because he's he's America, Yeah, and they want

1636
01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:35.520
to see him like right, the wrongs. So he said

1637
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:37.960
that they used to sit down in the writing room

1638
01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:40.720
and he would like pull up a newspaper and be

1639
01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:43.079
like and be like, oh, this is a scary story

1640
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:45.560
about Roofi's. Yeah, and they did a whole episode about Roofees.

1641
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:49.000
Oh my god. They covered everything. They did the AIDS episode,

1642
01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:50.760
they did the one that was the gun Runners, they

1643
01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:53.000
did the UFO episode. At one point, like I watched,

1644
01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:54.800
Rockert took this Ranger a lot growing up.

1645
01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:57.840
According to him, when he took over, that show was

1646
01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:00.520
just riding so high. No one had ever thought it

1647
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:04.079
would be that successful. Yeah, And I really can't recommend

1648
01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:06.960
enough watch that interview with him on the Sidekicks because

1649
01:12:07.239 --> 01:12:09.840
he just goes into this incredible detail and the thing

1650
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:12.680
that I loved about his interviews. Is he didn't sit

1651
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:17.239
there like, yeah, Walker Texas Ranger would have sucked without me. No,

1652
01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:19.359
it was he was more like, you know, so Chuck

1653
01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:21.239
goes and does that. I'm doing my thing and then

1654
01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:22.640
he calls me up. He's like, is there any way

1655
01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:24.600
you could come on this thing? And I'm like sure,

1656
01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:26.520
I've never really done TV, so I just looked at

1657
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:28.920
everything and I was like, oh, no, I know how

1658
01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:30.079
to work with I know how to I know how

1659
01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:32.000
to use Chuck because I love Chuck.

1660
01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:34.920
You know. Well, he actually took over for Nord and

1661
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:36.319
it might have just been that Chuck was too busy,

1662
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:39.680
which is entirely possible. But Delta Force three stars Aaron Norris.

1663
01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:42.239
He was testing the waters on being an actor because

1664
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:44.439
he was already a stuntman. Yeah, so that's kind of

1665
01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:47.000
what pushed him forward. And I mean people were hiring,

1666
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:50.319
especially in the late eighties. I mean you had like

1667
01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:53.359
like Pamela Springsteen and Sleepoy Camp two and stuff. You'd

1668
01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:56.119
get like famous relatives. But I think Aaron Norris was

1669
01:12:56.159 --> 01:12:57.520
the first one to admit he was like, I did

1670
01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:01.439
not have the it like Chuck does, like Carlos because

1671
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:02.520
he always calls him Carlos.

1672
01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:06.039
Yeah, so he does Walkers X Ranger ninety nine, follows

1673
01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:07.960
that up with two Shades of Blue Hot Boys, The

1674
01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.600
Outer Limits, g Men from Hell, Law and Order, King

1675
01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:12.880
of the Hill, Slapshot two, Breaking the Ice is a

1676
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:15.800
voice in GCA Vice City, which I do remember. Then

1677
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.279
follows that up with Frost Portrait of a Vampire in

1678
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:21.880
two thousand and three. Remember that movie Red Cover with

1679
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:26.000
a devil face that had fangs. It was everywhere, okay.

1680
01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:29.119
Then does the Shadowlands site for Sore Eyes The Simpsons

1681
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.479
in two thousand and five, Into the West Ginger dead

1682
01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:35.520
Man in two thousand and five, move on to site

1683
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:38.600
for Sore Eyes or excuse me, Scrubs Doctor Doolittle three,

1684
01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:40.840
which I was really hoping he was the doctor. He's not. No,

1685
01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:41.199
he's not.

1686
01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:45.560
You know, we unfortunately David did. We didn't manage that timeline.

1687
01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:49.039
Do you imagine Garry Fuse just talking to animals.

1688
01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:52.039
I don't have to because I originally was in the

1689
01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:56.920
Barren Steambar universe, and in that version, not only was

1690
01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:00.439
he Doctor Doolittle, he was also the president in the Instay.

1691
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:02.800
Oh jesus, he didn't replace Bill Pullman all the time,

1692
01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:05.520
but a lot, a lot than you might think. Oh gosh,

1693
01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:06.479
what else did he play?

1694
01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:11.479
He was also what's that movie?

1695
01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:15.880
No, Oh, Titanic? He was Leo DiCaprio was the boat.

1696
01:14:19.079 --> 01:14:20.880
Everybody knows Nick Cage was the boat.

1697
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:24.560
So Doctor Doolittle in two thousand and six follows that

1698
01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:27.399
up with Man Eater, followed by Entourage, then Ginger dead

1699
01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:29.199
Man two, Passion of the Cruss in two thousand and eight,

1700
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:30.640
Night Tale.

1701
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:32.439
That one's a lot better than the first one.

1702
01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:35.600
It's no Saturday Night Cleaver where they bring back Hitler,

1703
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:38.399
Jesus and I can't remember who else they summon at

1704
01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:40.960
the very end. Oh yeah, no, I mean they got wild.

1705
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:42.880
That first one is just kind of a slog I was,

1706
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:45.119
but but the other ones are really fun. Night Tail

1707
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:47.079
the series in two thousand and nine, Parana three, Double

1708
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:50.479
D in twenty twelve, Liz Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Lizzy in

1709
01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:52.680
twenty twelve, which is the Christan Stewart Lizzy Bordon movie,

1710
01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:53.399
he plays her dad.

1711
01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:57.560
I need to watch that Bounty Killer. In twenty thirteen,

1712
01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:01.399
Killing Floor, he's two. He's the voice of Santa No shit, Yeah,

1713
01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:04.239
that's hilarious. From dustil Down the series Sharknado four, the

1714
01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:06.760
Fourth Awakens. He's a voice in most of the Hitman games.

1715
01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:09.279
I found out going through his resume, Wow, and most

1716
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:12.119
recently the Gettysburg Address in twenty twenty five.

1717
01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:17.359
He doesn't play Lincoln, though he didn't say he played Lincoln.

1718
01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:19.560
Then I'm staying in this timeline.

1719
01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:23.239
So obviously there's a lot more names in this movie.

1720
01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:25.399
We've also got Charles Dunn, and we got John C. McGinley,

1721
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:28.119
we got F. Murray Abraham. This movie is packed with people.

1722
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:28.600
It's gotten.

1723
01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:31.279
It's the who's who of character actors, some of them

1724
01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:33.640
right at the beginning, some of them like right at

1725
01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:35.720
the height, Yeah, like you.

1726
01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:36.399
Had Bucy F.

1727
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:39.159
Burray Abraham was at the height of his like movies, Yeah,

1728
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:40.800
becoming American movie because.

1729
01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:43.439
I think McGinley does, if I'm not mistaken, he either

1730
01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:46.439
did or does on Deadly Ground right before this or

1731
01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:47.600
did it right after. Yeah.

1732
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:49.520
Well, and then of course he ends up hitting in

1733
01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:50.800
the way that no one ever would have thought in

1734
01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:53.239
a millionaires in Scrubs. Yeah, he becomes like one of

1735
01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:54.800
the best things about Scrubs.

1736
01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:57.880
Although and Bucy were together in Point Break in ninety one.

1737
01:15:58.079 --> 01:15:59.720
Yeah, Noah, baby McGinley.

1738
01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:00.159
I remember that.

1739
01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:03.560
Yeah, because John C McGinley is. I can't say he's underrated.

1740
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.000
I just because he isn't. I just love him. He's

1741
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:08.119
just he's just the best. And in this movie they

1742
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:10.920
use him very very well. Yes, but it is funny

1743
01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:14.439
to like to watch him not be the super funny,

1744
01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:17.600
sarcastic like kind of tough guy, which is after from

1745
01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:18.159
Scrubs on.

1746
01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:20.720
Yeah, that's who he is. Well, office Space he's not.

1747
01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:22.600
He's not antagonizing all on office Space.

1748
01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:25.079
He's just he's just aloof what would you say it

1749
01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:26.560
is you do here? What would you say it is

1750
01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:27.479
you do here?

1751
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:28.439
I love that.

1752
01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:30.600
No, No, John C mcginley's the best. I just like

1753
01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:32.880
I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I just rewatched

1754
01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:35.399
Stan Against Evil. Yeah, and he's the best part of

1755
01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:39.359
that show bar none, because he's so funny. Every line

1756
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:42.960
he says, he delivers it so perfectly and you really

1757
01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:46.520
grow to love him. So For as many shortcomings as

1758
01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:48.600
that show has, the biggest one being when it was canceled,

1759
01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:51.439
honestly because because it ended on such a great cliffhanger

1760
01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:54.920
that for it to never come back really hurts. Yeah,

1761
01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:58.520
but he was just there's a moment in Stand Against

1762
01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:02.399
Evil where he it's to himself that he will be

1763
01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:07.079
sad if someone dies, Like he'll be sad, like that

1764
01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:10.279
he would that he would sooner die than lose someone else,

1765
01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:13.359
because it starts with him losing his wife. Yeah, that moment,

1766
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:15.960
which is like about halfway through the first season, it's

1767
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:18.319
like your eyes can't stop. You're glued to him from

1768
01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:20.920
then on because he's so good. He's so good.

1769
01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:23.760
Oh, he's excellent. So what was your first time watching

1770
01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:24.720
Surviving the Game?

1771
01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:28.119
I wish I could tell you, because this was a

1772
01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:34.279
film that was ubiquitous on USA TNT, TBS when I

1773
01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:38.239
was a kid, playing mostly Saturdays. I would it was

1774
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:40.960
very common on a Saturday or a Sunday when I

1775
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:43.760
had nothing going on. Him, kid, what I I didn't

1776
01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:46.920
have any meetings that day. It was nine, I I

1777
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:50.319
but there were so many weekends that I remember vividly

1778
01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:54.680
managing to catch Surviving the Game and Tremors, Yeah, just

1779
01:17:54.680 --> 01:17:56.920
because they were on TV and those and Surviving the

1780
01:17:56.960 --> 01:18:00.520
Game was one that I saw so many times on TV,

1781
01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:03.439
culminating with seeing it on Monster Vision. And I guess

1782
01:18:03.439 --> 01:18:04.760
it was ninety eight because I just looked it up

1783
01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:07.359
a little bit ago. Seeing it on Monster Vision was

1784
01:18:07.359 --> 01:18:10.680
a huge treat for me because I saw Surviving the

1785
01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:14.880
game over and over on TV. Then you fast forward

1786
01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:17.319
to like ninety nine, I got really into maybe it

1787
01:18:17.359 --> 01:18:19.520
was ninety eight. I got really into Iced T as

1788
01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:22.000
a musician. Actually, I think it was ninety eight ninety

1789
01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:23.880
seven somewhere in there. I got really into his music,

1790
01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:26.680
especially into body Count. But I was also really into

1791
01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:29.960
gangster rap stuff. I had just never heard anybody quite

1792
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:32.840
like him. And you got to remember, like when I was,

1793
01:18:33.680 --> 01:18:36.399
you know, seven eight years old, I had MC hammer

1794
01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:40.359
cassette tapes. Yeah, like we loved Hammer. You love the

1795
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:43.640
Adams Groove brother brother No. I thought that was the

1796
01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:46.640
coolest thing ever. When he was involved was for Adam's family,

1797
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:48.800
So I like, I remember that. But I remember when

1798
01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:50.720
I was listening to Iced T just going like WHOA,

1799
01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:53.439
stuff's blowing my mind because he's such a great writer

1800
01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:57.680
and he's so intelligent, he's so good at expressing things.

1801
01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:01.960
So I remember being I think it was like fourteen

1802
01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:05.159
or fifteen when I went and sought out a copy

1803
01:19:05.479 --> 01:19:09.000
just to sit down and watch it straight through, unedited, uncensored,

1804
01:19:09.479 --> 01:19:14.560
and going Damn, this is a really really solid action movie. Yeah,

1805
01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:16.960
it's a good movie and it and at that time especially,

1806
01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:19.960
it was very underrated. I'm pretty certain, and we'll talk

1807
01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:21.560
about it later, but like I'm pretty certain it got

1808
01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:23.560
dumped on cable to try and make some money back

1809
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:25.000
because it wasn't a very big hit.

1810
01:19:25.079 --> 01:19:27.000
You might think that, and I'll give you some details.

1811
01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:29.279
I would love to know that, or you will, because

1812
01:19:29.319 --> 01:19:32.079
a lot of that stuff. It seemed like it was

1813
01:19:32.119 --> 01:19:34.279
on TV all the time because it wasn't huge at

1814
01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:37.079
the box office. Yeah, that wasn't always the case. That

1815
01:19:37.119 --> 01:19:38.760
seemed like I'll give you just a little, a little

1816
01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:39.319
taste right now.

1817
01:19:39.319 --> 01:19:41.239
What would you say if I told you the movie

1818
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:43.399
had made its money back before even a foot of

1819
01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:44.279
film had been shot.

1820
01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:47.680
I believe that international sales yep. Oh, action movies back then.

1821
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:49.800
That was how That was why there were so many. Yeah,

1822
01:19:49.960 --> 01:19:53.399
was that you could literally go to Cohn or the

1823
01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:56.359
Berlin Market and you could be like, I have a poster.

1824
01:19:56.720 --> 01:19:59.439
It has iced tea on it, or it has treat

1825
01:19:59.439 --> 01:19:59.960
Williams on.

1826
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:02.800
Their hower and all these Yeah, I mean they sold

1827
01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:03.880
it off the Castle Lett Well.

1828
01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:05.439
And this one was a bigger example I mean, I'm

1829
01:20:05.439 --> 01:20:07.720
talking like, you know, even you could just in the

1830
01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:09.840
late nineties, you can just have Treat Williams on the

1831
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:10.840
poster and they'd buy it.

1832
01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:13.399
How many how many fake posters did Manaham and Goland

1833
01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:15.760
put together at at Cannon.

1834
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:21.600
They're never happened, They're not fake, they're speculative, speculative.

1835
01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:24.039
Have you seen that seventeen minute video they got released

1836
01:20:24.079 --> 01:20:27.399
a while back, that's I think from eighty seven. That

1837
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:29.920
is a Cannon It's a Cannon film reel of coming

1838
01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:31.239
soon from Cannon, and it's.

1839
01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:33.000
A bunch of stuff that never ever happened. Well, and

1840
01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:36.960
that's not uncommon at all back then. You really could

1841
01:20:37.119 --> 01:20:41.119
because Corman was so good at this, better than anybody else,

1842
01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:43.920
because everybody the method was they would be like I

1843
01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:46.640
went to Cohn and we sold four you know, we

1844
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:49.359
sold on a let's say a small movie. We sold

1845
01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:52.399
a half a million dollars already. Yeah, Like, all we

1846
01:20:52.399 --> 01:20:54.119
have to do is deliver the movie and the money's ours.

1847
01:20:54.680 --> 01:20:56.760
So we're gonna make a million million and a half

1848
01:20:56.880 --> 01:20:59.840
or two million or whatever and will nearly be broken

1849
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:02.920
even by the time it's done. And then all the

1850
01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:06.880
receipts will be a cake. Corman would be like, they

1851
01:21:06.920 --> 01:21:09.720
give us a half a million dollars for these, you know,

1852
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:12.119
for Don the Dragon Wilson movies, So we're gonna make

1853
01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:13.880
them for three hundred thousand dollars and I'll be two

1854
01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:17.159
hundred thousand dollars in profit when the movie's done. That's

1855
01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:20.439
why he was at the top of his game in

1856
01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:23.159
many ways until the day he died. Because all of

1857
01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:26.800
his competitors, including Monacham Golan in Globis, Yeah, they were

1858
01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:29.359
all like, we got to be bigger. We gotta go bigger,

1859
01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:31.920
we gotta go bigger, you know, Dino de Larentist, gotta

1860
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:32.359
be bigger.

1861
01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:33.600
These guys were all obsessed with it.

1862
01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:35.680
And Corman would just be like, I could make a

1863
01:21:35.720 --> 01:21:37.439
movie and have it be one hundred thousand dollars in

1864
01:21:37.479 --> 01:21:41.000
profit before I even license it to showtime. And that's

1865
01:21:41.079 --> 01:21:45.159
why he is Roger Corman and everybody else is a

1866
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:47.079
are great. I mean, like those Delarentis movies are great,

1867
01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:49.760
but they're they're like a nostalgia kick because we remember,

1868
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:51.840
like it's it's one of those things where you look back,

1869
01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:54.079
you go, Man, wasn't it great when when Cannon was

1870
01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:56.119
able to crank those out until they went bankrupt. Man,

1871
01:21:56.199 --> 01:21:59.159
wasn't it great when when New World Pictures after Corman

1872
01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:00.800
sold it, When New World pick would make all these

1873
01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:04.239
wild movies until they went bankrupt because they didn't actually

1874
01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:06.479
do that. Well, there's so many examples like that.

1875
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:09.239
One of my favorite things lately has been anytime Lorenz's

1876
01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:11.159
know de Lorenz has been involved in a movie and

1877
01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:14.319
going into the trivia, there's a list of actors that

1878
01:22:14.359 --> 01:22:16.399
as soon as they heard his name would exit the

1879
01:22:16.439 --> 01:22:17.800
project yep.

1880
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:21.800
Or they would get excited because they knew that that

1881
01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:23.960
idiot would cash a check yeah, anything if he was

1882
01:22:24.039 --> 01:22:25.920
convinced it was good. Yeah, because he paid out the

1883
01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:27.800
ass for Stephen King stuff he didn't even read.

1884
01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:31.119
Yeah, Oh my god. So my first time watching Surviving

1885
01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:34.279
the Game, it had to have been on TNT as

1886
01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:36.520
far as like in the background, like not realizing what

1887
01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:38.319
it was. But it wasn't until I was in my

1888
01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:41.359
seventh grade English class and we were reading Most Dangerous Game.

1889
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:44.720
My teacher, who actually just retired this year, brought up

1890
01:22:44.800 --> 01:22:47.039
Surviving the Game. Now, she did say that it start

1891
01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:49.680
ice Cube. So when I first found the movie, I

1892
01:22:49.840 --> 01:22:50.439
was like.

1893
01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:55.319
Your little Troy Ohio teacher confused ice Cube and iced Tea.

1894
01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:58.960
I'm shocked because I was like, how have I never

1895
01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:01.439
heard about this movie. I can also guarantee one of

1896
01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:03.640
the reasons you confused was because at the time you

1897
01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:06.880
were in school was when ice Cube was in everything everything.

1898
01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:09.199
I mean the Friday movies were out and all all time.

1899
01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:11.800
Uh yeah, yeah, so yeah he was. He was very

1900
01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:13.600
much a name in movies.

1901
01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:15.199
So she had told me. She told the class about

1902
01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:17.039
surviving the game and like gave us like a synopsis

1903
01:23:17.039 --> 01:23:19.359
of like like described the scene of like the pig's

1904
01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:21.760
head and like them showing him out the door and everything,

1905
01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:23.600
and I was like, holy shit, Like I gotta see

1906
01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:26.840
this movie. So immediately after I got out of school,

1907
01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:29.079
this is when I was walking to my parents' workplace,

1908
01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:31.960
I walked over to the library, found a copy of it,

1909
01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:34.720
took it home, watched it that night. Realized I had

1910
01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:36.319
seen bits and pieces of it growing up, and I

1911
01:23:36.359 --> 01:23:38.159
was like, oh shit, this is that movie because yeah,

1912
01:23:38.199 --> 01:23:39.960
it was usually around the same time as Tremors and

1913
01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:43.039
stuff being on, so I had never seen it and

1914
01:23:43.079 --> 01:23:44.760
had never heard of it. Watched it that night and

1915
01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:47.399
was just like, this is really good. And then I

1916
01:23:47.439 --> 01:23:49.279
like proceeded to watch it, I think like three times

1917
01:23:49.319 --> 01:23:50.600
while I had it loaded.

1918
01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:54.119
Out, so funny thing. So I was like, Wow, this

1919
01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:58.680
movie's awesome. Then later found out that Ernest Dickerson had

1920
01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:02.079
directed another film that I had been obsessed with since

1921
01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:04.840
I was really young. I had it's probably still in

1922
01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:06.720
my closet somewhere or one of my closets. I had

1923
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:09.520
a VHS of Demon Knight, oh yeah, and that was

1924
01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:11.720
a favorite of my sister's because she loved Billy's Ain

1925
01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:15.720
so and then I inherited a lot of her tapes

1926
01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:17.760
because she'd become too cool or something. And then it's

1927
01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:19.840
mine now because she was like nine years older than me,

1928
01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:21.760
so she's a teenager. She'd be like, yeah, you can

1929
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:25.000
have my stupid Demon Night tape. You have my stupid

1930
01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:27.319
parts one through five nightmre on Elm Street tapes.

1931
01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:29.279
I don't need those anywhere, And I'm like, yeah, yeah,

1932
01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:30.600
give them here. Oh well.

1933
01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:32.920
She also gave me all our ral steinbooks, like The

1934
01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:36.399
Fear Street and earlier not the Goosebump stuff. Yeah, so

1935
01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:39.359
I was like, yeah, So when I found out he

1936
01:24:39.399 --> 01:24:41.840
had made Demon Night, that was another movie that I

1937
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:45.079
didn't know other people appreciated it until it came out

1938
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:48.039
on DVD away later, because I just always had a

1939
01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:48.600
tape around.

1940
01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:50.800
Yeah, but I didn't know if it was just kind

1941
01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:52.720
of a movie I love. I had not caught Demon

1942
01:24:52.760 --> 01:24:55.279
Knight like I would usually catch it right around the

1943
01:24:55.279 --> 01:24:57.760
same part, which was usually when he was tormenting Dick

1944
01:24:57.760 --> 01:24:59.680
Miller's character. I would usually catch it from there, and

1945
01:24:59.680 --> 01:25:01.279
then why the rest. I remember the first time I

1946
01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:02.920
actually was like, oh my god, Demon Night's gonna be on.

1947
01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:04.640
I'm gonna watch it from start to finish on TV.

1948
01:25:05.079 --> 01:25:05.920
I was so amped.

1949
01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:08.880
Well, see you, this is a reminder that you're a baby,

1950
01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:11.840
because I remember when they started showing it on regular TV. Yeah,

1951
01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:13.600
but I never really I never really caught it on

1952
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:16.680
Sci Fi Channel or whatever. Yeah, because by then I

1953
01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:18.239
was I was up there and I was, you know,

1954
01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:19.159
I was buying you.

1955
01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:20.159
You could watch it uncut?

1956
01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:22.800
Yeah, Well, I and I'd seen it a ton becaueah,

1957
01:25:22.880 --> 01:25:25.720
I had. We had the tape, man, I remember so clearly,

1958
01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:27.039
because I would dig it out every now and then

1959
01:25:27.079 --> 01:25:28.960
and be like, what's Demon Night again.

1960
01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:30.760
First time I ever saw it uncut was because my

1961
01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:33.520
uncle had burned me copies of Bordello and Demon Night

1962
01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:35.640
because there was a time where those DVDs were actually

1963
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:37.439
kind of hard to find. Yeah, and he had burned

1964
01:25:37.479 --> 01:25:38.960
them for me, and that's how I saw him finally

1965
01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:40.760
uncut and then never stopped watching them.

1966
01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:43.680
Obviously, I would say clearly, I'll never forget that Halloween

1967
01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:46.359
at Midnight movie at my house where I was like,

1968
01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:48.880
how about Demon Night? Yeah, freaking one of the best

1969
01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:50.079
calls ever made.

1970
01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:53.119
It was a good one. A midnight movie. So Surviving

1971
01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:56.359
the Game opens, we are in a back alley and Seattle, Washington,

1972
01:25:56.439 --> 01:25:58.439
and we're seeing a guy take out some trash. He's

1973
01:25:58.439 --> 01:26:01.199
throwing throwing it away, and we the ice iced Tea

1974
01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:03.079
as Jack Mason come out from behind and he starts

1975
01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:05.279
going through the trash. We see that he's also feeding

1976
01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:06.720
a dog that he has with them that he calls

1977
01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:08.760
mego I believe oh man, it was. It was.

1978
01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:11.319
It was a weirder name than that. It was like, yeah,

1979
01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:14.079
the name is escaping me right now. But it was

1980
01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:16.199
kind an odd name. And I want to mention this

1981
01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:19.960
iced Tea. A lot of people hated on this movie

1982
01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:22.199
because they gave ice Ta dreads. I don't know if

1983
01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:25.840
you about that because they hated it because they they

1984
01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:29.800
he had been the ponytail guy for foreverever.

1985
01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:30.600
Yeah.

1986
01:26:30.760 --> 01:26:34.600
So I remember even Andy copp my like my movie

1987
01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:37.840
mentor growing up, he just he was like, I like that,

1988
01:26:37.920 --> 01:26:41.119
but like those those dreadlocks, like and in the IMDb

1989
01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:43.760
message boards used to be ripping about the dreadlock. They

1990
01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:46.640
just hated that elean imagine And it was funny because

1991
01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:47.960
some people were just like, he looks lame in them,

1992
01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:49.279
and some people were like, what are they trying to

1993
01:26:49.279 --> 01:26:51.520
make him look more black? Yeah, like they were saying

1994
01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:53.239
that it was it was an offensive thing to give

1995
01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:56.000
him like a stereotypical homeless guy look.

1996
01:26:56.079 --> 01:26:58.720
Probably also the same people that said Mark for Death

1997
01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:00.600
with Stig All was two racism a movie because of

1998
01:27:00.640 --> 01:27:02.239
the way that they portrayed the villain in that.

1999
01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:06.279
Oh well, thank goodness, we rectified that with Oh the

2000
01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:08.720
way you see does Native Americans in this very movie.

2001
01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:09.600
Oh my god.

2002
01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:14.439
So so yeah, he's feeding the dog and all while

2003
01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:17.119
this is intercutting with these guys, these hunters in the forest,

2004
01:27:17.199 --> 01:27:18.760
and we see that a guy is running from them.

2005
01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:20.760
They are hunting this guy down in the forest. This

2006
01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:23.199
is all intercut with ice cube or ice cube wow

2007
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:26.000
iced tea chasing after the dog, and the dog unfortunately

2008
01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:28.039
gets hit by a car right at the same time

2009
01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:29.640
that the guy that they're hunting in the forest gets

2010
01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:32.079
hit through the heart with an arrow through a crossbow. Yeah.

2011
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:35.880
Yeah, it's the juxtaposition is really cool because they fake

2012
01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:38.319
you out and make you think these guys are hunting

2013
01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:38.720
a deer.

2014
01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:39.039
Yeah.

2015
01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:41.159
They even do a really cool shot where you just

2016
01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:43.199
see the shadow of his head and it really looks

2017
01:27:43.239 --> 01:27:45.079
like because you were watching the deer. Yeah, it really

2018
01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:46.880
looks like it's the shadow of the deer.

2019
01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:48.920
Well. I also love you do not see the hunters

2020
01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:50.359
at all. You don't see their faces, you don't see

2021
01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:52.199
who they are. You see their weapons, and you see

2022
01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:53.199
them in a cluster.

2023
01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:55.680
And their outfits and their outfits which I'm I'm pretty

2024
01:27:55.720 --> 01:27:59.079
positive that those were all body doubles. Yeah, of the

2025
01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:02.319
characters and was and because why would you spend the

2026
01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:04.840
money putting those guys in those costumes and hide their faces,

2027
01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:07.199
especially when they're all expensive anyway, But the but it

2028
01:28:07.239 --> 01:28:12.439
also establishes that the hunting group isn't just these people necessarily.

2029
01:28:12.439 --> 01:28:14.199
There are people who go on these hunts different times

2030
01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:16.800
because there was a slightly bigger crew, and the way

2031
01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:19.399
they establish him getting get that they're hunting the guy

2032
01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:21.279
is the dog gets hit and then we just see

2033
01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:23.239
this guy who we noticed he was running away. Yeah,

2034
01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:24.960
and he just the arrow pops out of his chest

2035
01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:25.439
and then.

2036
01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:30.039
Just to survive the game. That's so memorable. Yeah, well,

2037
01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:32.039
it's like it's it's exactly like another one that came

2038
01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:34.439
out a previous year, Hard Target. Heard Target does the

2039
01:28:34.439 --> 01:28:37.279
same thing that arrow flies in that guy Heard Target.

2040
01:28:38.279 --> 01:28:41.720
Except your your you just if you didn't know that

2041
01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:43.880
this is a most dangerous game concept, and a lot

2042
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:47.439
of people probably didn't because we're talking Internet's barely a

2043
01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:50.800
thing when this movie's coming out. That's a shock. You say,

2044
01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:53.159
guy's clearly hunting and then all of a sudden you

2045
01:28:53.239 --> 01:28:55.399
notice that this that they're hunting this guy and then

2046
01:28:55.439 --> 01:28:57.039
he gets killed gruesomely.

2047
01:28:57.119 --> 01:28:57.399
Yeah.

2048
01:28:57.920 --> 01:28:59.520
Yeah, it's a great moment.

2049
01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:03.199
Definitely remember that. So by this point now Mason is

2050
01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:06.159
seen burying the dog along with his fellow buddy Hank,

2051
01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:07.720
who is one of the homeless guys that he hangs

2052
01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:09.479
out with or in this little field or this in

2053
01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:12.039
this little lot that they all live in, and we

2054
01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:13.920
see that he's burying the dog and actually puts up

2055
01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:14.920
like a little marker as well.

2056
01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:17.720
Yeah, and and Hank is much older than him. Yes,

2057
01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:19.239
he's wearing I think I think it was like a

2058
01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:20.560
Korea War.

2059
01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:21.319
Veteran, I believe so.

2060
01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:24.039
Yeah, so he's a lot older and kind of feeding

2061
01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:27.920
into the I don't want to say trope, because it's

2062
01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:31.000
not a trope, the reality that many homeless people in

2063
01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:34.000
America are veterans. And if you want to know how

2064
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:37.199
that happens, just watch The War at Home, which which

2065
01:29:37.239 --> 01:29:41.239
is a painful movie because you don't realize when you're

2066
01:29:41.239 --> 01:29:43.640
watching it until the very end that it's really just

2067
01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:47.680
the story of how vets end up displaced. Yeah, and

2068
01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:52.920
it's it's important because especially because of Vietnam, where so

2069
01:29:53.079 --> 01:29:57.640
many people were conscripted, were drafted, so many people were drafted,

2070
01:29:57.640 --> 01:29:59.399
You had so many people come home who were in

2071
01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:02.199
no way prepared for what they would have to.

2072
01:30:02.159 --> 01:30:04.199
Do able to resume their lives. Well, yeah, and they

2073
01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:05.399
were told like, all right, it's overcome.

2074
01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:09.399
And and you know that's why Rambo, although Rambo that

2075
01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:11.720
example is more that he wanted to be a soldier,

2076
01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:15.279
but it's still it's still hard. But those people that

2077
01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:18.279
like they just joined up because they were either afraid

2078
01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:20.439
they were already gonna get drafted, or they did get drafted.

2079
01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:24.960
They came home to a world where people were just like, well,

2080
01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:26.359
not up, dude, you got to get a job now,

2081
01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:27.680
like the economy's booming, not.

2082
01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:29.479
Taking into account what they have been through and what

2083
01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:30.319
they were still harbor.

2084
01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:33.560
They can't even imagine. You know, you know, you're talking

2085
01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:36.039
to your boss about, like, you know, your headaches all

2086
01:30:36.039 --> 01:30:38.479
the time, and he's like, he's like, this is a bank,

2087
01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:40.359
please show up on time.

2088
01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:40.640
Yeah.

2089
01:30:41.359 --> 01:30:43.159
And from their perspective, like I'm not asking for the world,

2090
01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:44.680
come here nine to five, five days a week.

2091
01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:45.840
Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

2092
01:30:46.039 --> 01:30:48.359
But in reality, it's like they're fighting. They never get

2093
01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:51.359
to stop fighting the battle. And I'm not like, I'm

2094
01:30:51.399 --> 01:30:53.319
not trying to act like I'm some kind of incredible

2095
01:30:53.359 --> 01:30:57.560
like veterans rights person. But I love that they they

2096
01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:00.239
made sure to do that to have that or that

2097
01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:02.960
had that, and and and he has like these little

2098
01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:05.840
moments where he starts talking a little bit about like

2099
01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:08.159
what he did in Korea and stuff. But uh, one

2100
01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:10.359
of my favorite things is when he's burying the dog.

2101
01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:12.680
He he mentions like.

2102
01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:13.720
Do you have to dig so deep?

2103
01:31:13.720 --> 01:31:16.000
Because he's been digging for a really long time, and

2104
01:31:16.039 --> 01:31:17.600
he just says, man, I just hope when I'm gone,

2105
01:31:17.680 --> 01:31:19.279
somebody digs a hole this deep from me.

2106
01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:21.239
And it really.

2107
01:31:22.439 --> 01:31:27.359
It's important because the juxtaposition is that Mason is a

2108
01:31:27.399 --> 01:31:31.399
stray dog. Yeah, Like that's why Mason that like when

2109
01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:34.760
when the taxiicab guy hits the dog, he's he's like,

2110
01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:36.319
is this your dog? He's like, it's friend of mine,

2111
01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:38.600
because it's like because it's like, he's not my dog,

2112
01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:41.960
he's nobody's dog, just like I'm nobody's friend, I'm nobody's father,

2113
01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:42.920
I'm nobody's husband.

2114
01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:45.159
Well, and there's the whole confrontation with the taxi driver too,

2115
01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:47.199
where we see that Mason really just doesn't care like

2116
01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:49.039
the taxi drivers like wailing on the guy. Well.

2117
01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:50.840
That's the interesting thing is that first when he swings,

2118
01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:53.039
Mason like pushes his arm away and like ducks. So

2119
01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:55.279
you can tell like, oh, this guy he's he's got

2120
01:31:55.319 --> 01:31:57.880
some like he's got some toughness. Yeah, you know, he's

2121
01:31:57.880 --> 01:31:59.800
been he's lived on the streets or whatever, and he's

2122
01:31:59.800 --> 01:32:01.640
and before that he lived in the ghetto. And he

2123
01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:03.760
probably to fight, but once the guy hits him, he

2124
01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:04.319
just doesn't care.

2125
01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:05.760
He's done. Yeah, he's just.

2126
01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:09.560
Finished because to him, he's like because for his perspective,

2127
01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:11.119
the guy's like, what about my money? Because he lost

2128
01:32:11.119 --> 01:32:13.359
a fifteen dollars fare because he had to hit his

2129
01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:13.800
brakes hard.

2130
01:32:13.800 --> 01:32:17.359
And Ernest Dickerson's mother, Yeah, and I love the way

2131
01:32:17.399 --> 01:32:19.520
she's just like what happened because she gets out of

2132
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:21.119
the car and her nose is bleeding she bumped the

2133
01:32:21.159 --> 01:32:23.079
seat and she's wearing like a really nice suit.

2134
01:32:23.239 --> 01:32:25.039
So it's clear she's not going to pay that fair

2135
01:32:25.079 --> 01:32:27.479
because she's offended by the fact that this guy hit

2136
01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:29.359
a dog that was chasing a cat across the street.

2137
01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:30.760
But that that.

2138
01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:32.520
Moment always stuck with me of when he punches him,

2139
01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:35.279
he just says, you finished, because he's like he's literally like, look,

2140
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:38.840
I know what you want. You want you want to

2141
01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:40.840
pay back or whatever. So he's like, well, I ain't

2142
01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:43.680
got no money, so do I guess?

2143
01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:43.880
You know?

2144
01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:45.760
Like he's just like, are you done punching me? Do

2145
01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:48.000
you beat me up some more so you'll feel all right? Yeah,

2146
01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:50.199
because I just want to pick up this dog and

2147
01:32:50.199 --> 01:32:54.239
bury him. It's a great moment, and because this movie

2148
01:32:54.359 --> 01:32:58.119
I love so much, but it is not the it's

2149
01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:01.159
cheesy at times. Oh yeah, and this scene where, which

2150
01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:03.039
is coming up really soon, where he's just like, you

2151
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:06.199
can't blame yourself forever. He literally just expositions the hell

2152
01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:09.199
out of him, and the music cues even kind of

2153
01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:10.159
make it sound like they know.

2154
01:33:10.479 --> 01:33:14.000
In the very beginning, the music cues are very cheesy

2155
01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:16.159
and they get a lot more serious. I feel like

2156
01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:17.319
as the movie goes well, when.

2157
01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:20.960
He's in the city, they're all about this the synthesizer

2158
01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:25.039
kind of jazz horn, which I do think works most

2159
01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:28.159
of the time. Yeah, but yeah, there are those moments.

2160
01:33:28.159 --> 01:33:30.880
So after he buries the dog, they're out in the

2161
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:34.159
rain and they're trying to get some food. They're digging

2162
01:33:34.199 --> 01:33:35.760
in the garbage and one of the first things we

2163
01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:37.920
see of Icedy's characters him eating out of the track. Yeah,

2164
01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:40.319
So they're digging through the garbage, and at first it

2165
01:33:40.399 --> 01:33:42.199
seems I mean, the pouring rain makes it kind of

2166
01:33:42.439 --> 01:33:45.279
sad and stressful. Yeah, but then what makes it worse

2167
01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:47.279
is they're just kind of talking, kind of friendly.

2168
01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:49.399
You know. He's like when we were in Japan and

2169
01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:50.439
we had this and this and this.

2170
01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:52.720
He's saying all this stuff, and then all of a sudden,

2171
01:33:52.720 --> 01:33:54.640
it just he just kind of Hank just kind of

2172
01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:57.720
his voice drops and he goes, I'm hungry, God damn it. Yeah,

2173
01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:00.279
and then Iced tease, the character literally says like, man,

2174
01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:02.439
we gotta eat soon. We gotta eat soon, man, And

2175
01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:06.119
you're like, these guys are starving. Yeah, they're starving. But

2176
01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:09.079
then Ice finds something other than food in.

2177
01:34:09.039 --> 01:34:11.279
The trash can, finds a gun in the trash can, pistol.

2178
01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:13.600
He can't he can't figure out what what the name is.

2179
01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:15.399
He's even asking a Hank about it. But the number

2180
01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:17.119
one thing that Hank tells him as he's looking at

2181
01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:19.359
the gun always checked the barrel. Yeah, He's like, what

2182
01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:19.840
are you doing.

2183
01:34:19.920 --> 01:34:22.600
You gotta check the barrel otherwise blow up in your

2184
01:34:22.600 --> 01:34:24.760
hand when you shoot it. And he's like put that

2185
01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:26.800
thing away. Like he's like, it's a gun man. He's like,

2186
01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:28.600
I know, what's a gun? They kill people. He's like,

2187
01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:31.600
I get twenty bucks from this thing with it without bullets. Yeah,

2188
01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:35.279
it's a it's a really awesome moment. Also, as a

2189
01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:38.159
as a you know, mild gun enthusiast, I would say,

2190
01:34:38.319 --> 01:34:40.159
like he's like, it's a takers.

2191
01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:42.039
It was a taker ren. Yeah, So it was also

2192
01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:44.119
funny that he was like he was he almost knew

2193
01:34:44.119 --> 01:34:46.359
what it was. So he decides that they're going to

2194
01:34:46.399 --> 01:34:49.439
break into a meat housing place. They go and steal

2195
01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:51.960
what is it? Is it like a half a cow? Yeah,

2196
01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:53.600
it's like a side of beef. Yeah, it's a side

2197
01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:55.880
of beef. And right as they're doing this, Hank gets

2198
01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:58.239
caught by a guard. Yeah, the guard starts wailing on Hank.

2199
01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:00.640
So Ice drops the meat the fence.

2200
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:03.640
Well real quick though. The reason they're able to steal

2201
01:35:03.680 --> 01:35:07.319
the beef is because there's a mean dog and Ice

2202
01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:09.600
is like friend of mine, you know, like and and

2203
01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:11.159
the dog it's like and that's one of the things

2204
01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:13.680
I love is it's like he just dogs get him

2205
01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:16.720
and he gets them, you know. So he's walking out

2206
01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:19.039
with the side of beef and he's just like like

2207
01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:20.439
kind of giving the dog a little bit and like

2208
01:35:20.439 --> 01:35:22.439
petting it as they're walking up. But yeah, this so

2209
01:35:22.479 --> 01:35:25.760
this this security guard cop it's not quite clear security guard,

2210
01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:29.319
I think. So starts beating on on Hank and he

2211
01:35:29.359 --> 01:35:30.960
basically says like, look, we'll give it back and He's like,

2212
01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:34.439
it's already been contaminated with your filth, which which I

2213
01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:37.319
thought was a really great Like they're trying to show

2214
01:35:37.319 --> 01:35:41.279
how hostile life can be to the homeless. Now, granted

2215
01:35:41.279 --> 01:35:43.479
they are stealing, Yeah, they are stealing. Yeah, but they've

2216
01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:45.640
established they're extremely desperate.

2217
01:35:45.319 --> 01:35:46.920
And this cop is kind of looking for an excuse

2218
01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:47.920
now to beat them up. Yeah.

2219
01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:49.840
Well apparently they've done this before because he says, like,

2220
01:35:49.880 --> 01:35:52.119
so you're the ones who've been stealing the meat or whatever,

2221
01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:55.439
and this cop is or this security guards clearly like

2222
01:35:56.119 --> 01:35:59.000
amped up like a motherfucker. He starts wailing on Hank

2223
01:35:59.079 --> 01:36:00.800
and and right before he does, Hank even says when

2224
01:36:00.800 --> 01:36:02.159
he sees how the side of beat he says, oh, no,

2225
01:36:02.239 --> 01:36:02.880
we got enough.

2226
01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:03.520
For a lot of folks.

2227
01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:05.359
Yeah, they're not even going to keep it for themselves,

2228
01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:08.760
they're gonna share it. So now he's wailing on Hank,

2229
01:36:08.840 --> 01:36:11.359
Ice comes up to fight him. Yep, tries to pull

2230
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:13.840
the gun to I guess scare it.

2231
01:36:14.119 --> 01:36:16.720
Yeah, like I would say, he's trying to scare him,

2232
01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:19.039
but then that completely backfires because he gets the gun

2233
01:36:19.119 --> 01:36:20.760
knocked out of his hand. He picks the gun up

2234
01:36:20.760 --> 01:36:22.840
and the guard's literally about ready to blow his head off,

2235
01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:23.800
even pulls the trigger.

2236
01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:25.760
He says, somebody's going to die to night. Yeah, I'm

2237
01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:28.640
gonna kill somebody. And he pulls the trigger and it clicks,

2238
01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:31.439
there's no bullets. Ice kicks him in the nuts, takes

2239
01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:34.520
his night stick and goes on a very iced tea

2240
01:36:35.239 --> 01:36:36.520
improvised thing.

2241
01:36:36.520 --> 01:36:39.319
Very reminiscent to Doyle in Dutch. But you just start

2242
01:36:39.359 --> 01:36:40.920
saying like, how about how about some I go to that?

2243
01:36:41.119 --> 01:36:42.920
How about we all die tonight? You think about that?

2244
01:36:42.920 --> 01:36:44.039
And he says like, how about I stick this up

2245
01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:45.600
your ass, make a copsicle out of you?

2246
01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:46.600
Yeah, copsicle.

2247
01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:49.319
I love that line. But one of the things that

2248
01:36:49.399 --> 01:36:51.840
happens as this is going on is we see that

2249
01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:53.800
guy who was watching him. Early we may not have

2250
01:36:53.800 --> 01:36:56.079
mentioned that yet, there was a guy kind of watching him. Yes,

2251
01:36:56.159 --> 01:36:57.960
this guy, this guy you kind of see a silhouette

2252
01:36:57.960 --> 01:36:58.800
of like a heavy set black guy.

2253
01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:00.399
Yeah, we don't even we don't who know who he

2254
01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:02.720
is yet. The next scene, but we see him kind

2255
01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:05.039
of watching on with what's happening. And after they've beaten

2256
01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:06.920
up the security guard and they're leaving, he just drives off,

2257
01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:09.960
drives off. So the next day or that that same night,

2258
01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:12.399
they're cooking the beef. Everybody's grateful for it.

2259
01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:14.359
And there's a whole bunch of homeless people and it's

2260
01:37:14.359 --> 01:37:17.880
it's families and stuff like that, and and they're cooking

2261
01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:20.920
it on a shopping cart turned on its side, filled

2262
01:37:20.920 --> 01:37:22.920
with fire with wood and they've set it on fire.

2263
01:37:23.039 --> 01:37:24.439
And the guy even asked, is you need help with

2264
01:37:24.479 --> 01:37:26.560
the fire, and he's like no. Man walks away, and

2265
01:37:26.600 --> 01:37:28.720
the guys like did we say something wrong? And Hank's like, no,

2266
01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:31.479
just leave him, there's nothing to do with you. Yeah.

2267
01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:33.920
So then the next day we wake up with ice

2268
01:37:34.079 --> 01:37:36.560
and he looks over at Hank. Hank's not moving.

2269
01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:39.920
No, Hank died peacefully in his sleep. And the way

2270
01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:41.880
he reacts to it too, he just goes Hank man

2271
01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:44.239
And when he doesn't react, he doesn't even shake him,

2272
01:37:44.239 --> 01:37:45.079
he just texts his pulse.

2273
01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:48.000
Yeah. And then he's like, ah, shit, man, damn it, Hank.

2274
01:37:48.520 --> 01:37:49.960
So then he buries Hank next to the dog.

2275
01:37:50.039 --> 01:37:52.119
And it's an incredible shot. We get this like crane

2276
01:37:52.199 --> 01:37:54.119
pull up and you see the little grave next to

2277
01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:54.800
a bigger grave.

2278
01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:58.720
So he's buried the two bodies. Now he's walking past

2279
01:37:59.039 --> 01:38:02.079
the character that we saw previously, which is Walter Cole,

2280
01:38:02.119 --> 01:38:04.279
who is a soup kitchen worker, and he even tells us,

2281
01:38:04.279 --> 01:38:05.840
you know, don't you want a free meal? And Ice goes,

2282
01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:06.520
there's no such thing.

2283
01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:08.600
Oh, he says, don't you want to free lunch? And

2284
01:38:08.640 --> 01:38:11.039
he just under his mouth says, no such thing. That

2285
01:38:11.199 --> 01:38:13.479
was a line I loved even as a kid, because

2286
01:38:13.479 --> 01:38:16.840
my mom, maybe it was her mom, there was somebody

2287
01:38:16.840 --> 01:38:19.000
in my family who would always say, there's no such

2288
01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:20.680
thing as a free lunch. There's no such thing as

2289
01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:22.239
a free lunch. So I love that don't you want

2290
01:38:22.239 --> 01:38:22.680
a free lunch?

2291
01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:23.399
No such thing?

2292
01:38:23.439 --> 01:38:25.880
Because he's there handing out sack lunches to homeless and

2293
01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:28.039
and he's wearing a shirt that says Seventh Street Mission.

2294
01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:31.399
Yeah, seventh Street mension. So he starts observing him, and

2295
01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:33.560
he's watching him walk across the street and finally sees

2296
01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:35.239
that he's about to have his life taking because he's

2297
01:38:35.239 --> 01:38:37.159
standing right in front of the semi that's coming right out.

2298
01:38:37.239 --> 01:38:40.319
He's not even standing, he's waiting, waiting, watching, He's watching

2299
01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:42.199
the semi come up, and right when it's getting close enough,

2300
01:38:42.199 --> 01:38:44.000
he just stands right in front of it. He's like

2301
01:38:44.119 --> 01:38:46.880
really trying to kill him. Oh yeah, so luckily, I

2302
01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:50.640
guess how you look at Cole tackles him from there

2303
01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:53.920
and and Ice immediately Mason is just livid with it.

2304
01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:54.439
Yeah.

2305
01:38:54.840 --> 01:38:56.479
He's just telling him like, you know, what are you doing?

2306
01:38:56.520 --> 01:38:58.399
He's like, do you really want to die? He's like, yeah,

2307
01:38:58.520 --> 01:39:00.479
I do. He's like, I find and he gives this

2308
01:39:00.520 --> 01:39:02.239
whole thing about like you have nobody that cares about

2309
01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:03.920
you want I find that hard to believe. And he's like,

2310
01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:06.479
he says, like I've had hard times. Another great line.

2311
01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:08.720
He says, I've had hard times, says what your chacuzzie die?

2312
01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:12.920
So good, I've had hard times to what your chacuzie broke.

2313
01:39:13.079 --> 01:39:15.560
So he basically tells him, you know, you've got to

2314
01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:17.720
be the one that makes your life better. And you know,

2315
01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:20.039
all this gives and gives him, gives him some words,

2316
01:39:20.079 --> 01:39:22.039
and at the very end, Ice is walking away because

2317
01:39:22.039 --> 01:39:23.720
he's like, you know what, I got a job where

2318
01:39:23.720 --> 01:39:24.800
you He's like, I'm not interested.

2319
01:39:24.840 --> 01:39:27.399
Would you would you take a job a great opportunity

2320
01:39:27.439 --> 01:39:28.520
if somebody would give it to you.

2321
01:39:28.640 --> 01:39:30.960
Yeah, And so he's like I'm not interested, walks away

2322
01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:32.600
and he's like well, wait, what's the job. Yeah.

2323
01:39:32.640 --> 01:39:34.399
He stops after a few steps and just says, what

2324
01:39:34.479 --> 01:39:35.720
kind of job are we talking about?

2325
01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:38.319
So then he gives him a card for Thomas Burns,

2326
01:39:38.359 --> 01:39:40.720
who is the owner of Hell's Canyon Outfitters, and tells

2327
01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:42.720
him to go meet him and see if he's good

2328
01:39:42.720 --> 01:39:44.960
for the job. Yes, the interview for it. So we

2329
01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:47.439
cut over to this little office spit or not office space,

2330
01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:49.039
like a house that has an office in it.

2331
01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:52.680
But what's business business business? Yeah, it's it's just that

2332
01:39:52.760 --> 01:39:56.000
it's so ornately decorated. Yeah, it looks like a home.

2333
01:39:56.039 --> 01:39:57.399
It's it's super fancy.

2334
01:39:57.520 --> 01:39:57.800
Yeah.

2335
01:39:57.880 --> 01:40:00.720
And he walks in and sees Rutger Howerd who is groomed,

2336
01:40:01.119 --> 01:40:04.600
his hair is quaffed, and he's literally clipping his fingernails

2337
01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:06.039
and like checking them yep.

2338
01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:08.479
As he's talking to him, and he sees that Mason

2339
01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:10.159
is struggling with a cigarette. So we asked him, you know,

2340
01:40:10.159 --> 01:40:13.159
how how often do you spoke and or how you

2341
01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:14.600
have a day? And he's like as many as I

2342
01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:17.000
can get. And so he's just like, well, you know,

2343
01:40:17.159 --> 01:40:18.640
I don't think you're gonna be fit for the job,

2344
01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:20.319
because you know, it requires a lot of running and

2345
01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:23.239
you probably can't deal with it. Durance, Yeah, you need endurance.

2346
01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:25.159
So then Ice sees that he has a treadmill and

2347
01:40:25.239 --> 01:40:26.880
he goes, wait, put me on that run thing. I

2348
01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:27.760
bet I can show you.

2349
01:40:28.119 --> 01:40:29.399
Yeah, He's like, put me on that running thing. Man,

2350
01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:31.079
see how fast I run? So he puts him on

2351
01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:33.159
the thing going full speed. He says, do that for

2352
01:40:33.159 --> 01:40:35.600
thirty minutes on could be twenty bucks and another I

2353
01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:38.079
have so many moments I love in this movie. Yeah,

2354
01:40:38.119 --> 01:40:41.560
of lines, and I says, for twenty bucks, I'll run

2355
01:40:41.560 --> 01:40:42.439
to fucking Alaska.

2356
01:40:42.760 --> 01:40:45.479
Yes. So he ends up making the goal, and that's

2357
01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:47.840
when Mason tells him that you know he's he might

2358
01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:49.319
be fit for the job, but he's not sure yet.

2359
01:40:49.359 --> 01:40:51.000
Where can you reach him at? He gives him a

2360
01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:52.920
matchbook for a hotel, and we see Ice go to

2361
01:40:52.920 --> 01:40:55.600
that hotel tell in town, and he gets his bottle

2362
01:40:55.640 --> 01:40:58.159
of wine, he gets a sandwich, and he also gets

2363
01:40:58.159 --> 01:40:59.880
some shaving stuff or.

2364
01:40:59.520 --> 01:41:02.239
Gets razor blades, and that's a moment that they didn't

2365
01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:04.199
play it as a super fake out, but there is

2366
01:41:04.199 --> 01:41:06.359
a moment where you wonder if he's gonna split his wrist,

2367
01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:09.520
and then we realize he's just cutting his hair. He's

2368
01:41:09.560 --> 01:41:11.840
cutting his dreads short because they were well passed almost

2369
01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:14.199
to his elbows, so he's cutting him up to about

2370
01:41:14.199 --> 01:41:14.600
his chin.

2371
01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:16.760
And this is also where we get a first shot

2372
01:41:16.840 --> 01:41:19.000
of ICE's body and we see that he has a

2373
01:41:19.159 --> 01:41:20.439
very bad set of burns on.

2374
01:41:20.439 --> 01:41:23.399
The back and massive, massive amount of burn scars on

2375
01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:23.800
his back.

2376
01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:26.279
Yeah. So the next morning he gets a knock at

2377
01:41:26.319 --> 01:41:28.680
his door and it's Mason, and that's when Mason is

2378
01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:33.399
actually offering him the job. Burns, Yeah, sorry, Burns is

2379
01:41:33.399 --> 01:41:35.560
offering him the job. And we see next that they're

2380
01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:37.119
flying out to a remote cabin.

2381
01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:38.960
Yeah, to Devil's Canyon.

2382
01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:40.119
Devil's Canyon, indeed.

2383
01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:42.319
And so they basically told him like, you'll be a

2384
01:41:42.359 --> 01:41:45.319
survival guy. Yeah, And and there's a part where when

2385
01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:46.720
Cole had said that to him, he's like, I don't

2386
01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:48.279
really think about surviving and stuff like that. And he's like,

2387
01:41:48.319 --> 01:41:50.279
with my recommendation, you'll have a good shot to get

2388
01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:52.720
in the job. And it pays super well. So now

2389
01:41:52.720 --> 01:41:54.880
he's in an airplane flying with these guys. There's a

2390
01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:57.079
pig on the plane with them, and he asks, you know,

2391
01:41:57.079 --> 01:41:58.800
who is this? I thought you guys, you know I

2392
01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:00.319
thought you guys were gonna hunt He's like, oh, we're

2393
01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:01.039
not hunting him.

2394
01:42:01.199 --> 01:42:03.560
He's dinner. Yeah, well he's our guest of our guest

2395
01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:03.960
of honor.

2396
01:42:04.039 --> 01:42:09.920
Yeah, there's a lot of them foreshadowing Mason to the pig,

2397
01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:11.880
oh that they brought just to slaughter.

2398
01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.520
Yeah. So that is when they land outside of this

2399
01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:17.479
out of this cabin, surrounded by acres of woods, and

2400
01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:19.159
that's when they also meet the rest of the party,

2401
01:42:19.199 --> 01:42:22.119
who have all paid fifty thousand dollars a piece.

2402
01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:24.520
We assume for this. We know for sure that f.

2403
01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:27.640
Murray Abraham paid for him and the sun fifty grand apiece. Yeah,

2404
01:42:27.640 --> 01:42:29.159
we don't know what they you know, if they had

2405
01:42:29.199 --> 01:42:32.199
other deals going on or what, but we do know

2406
01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:34.800
that they're paying good money to go on this hunt.

2407
01:42:34.840 --> 01:42:37.079
So we've got Gary Busey who plays Doc Hawkins. We've

2408
01:42:37.079 --> 01:42:39.560
got f. Murray Abraham who plays Wolf Senior, with his

2409
01:42:39.640 --> 01:42:43.199
son William McNamara who's Derek Wolf Junior. And we also

2410
01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:45.600
have John Griffin who's played by John C. McGinley. So

2411
01:42:45.640 --> 01:42:49.279
we've got a group of well, well adjusted character actors

2412
01:42:49.279 --> 01:42:49.760
in this movie.

2413
01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:53.840
Now, they're excellent, and we get little tastes of things

2414
01:42:53.880 --> 01:42:58.600
like John C. Mcginley's character is very very aggressive and quiet. Yeah,

2415
01:42:58.640 --> 01:43:01.520
we see that McNamara's character is very young, and he's

2416
01:43:01.600 --> 01:43:03.199
very soft, and.

2417
01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:05.279
We may not have the best relationship with his father.

2418
01:43:05.439 --> 01:43:07.920
No, well, well, his father tells him like, I need

2419
01:43:07.960 --> 01:43:10.079
you need to learn to be tough. You're soft like

2420
01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:12.520
I want to. I want you to have the toughness

2421
01:43:12.560 --> 01:43:14.399
to be able to do this to make it in

2422
01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:14.760
this world.

2423
01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:15.000
Yeah.

2424
01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:17.319
We find out that he's considered the most quote unquote

2425
01:43:17.479 --> 01:43:19.079
feared man in Wall Street.

2426
01:43:19.039 --> 01:43:22.920
And Ted Doc Hawkins is a retired Central Intelligence agent

2427
01:43:22.960 --> 01:43:24.159
and a psychiatrist now.

2428
01:43:24.039 --> 01:43:26.560
Well retired psychiatrist Yeah for the CIA.

2429
01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:30.199
Yes, who's also the founder of h CO, says Wikipedia.

2430
01:43:30.479 --> 01:43:34.880
Oh so we also have Texas Oil magnet John Griffin

2431
01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:38.119
and wealthy father and son Wall Street executives Derek and Junior.

2432
01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:42.239
Yes, and and and it's that's another element of this

2433
01:43:42.359 --> 01:43:45.279
that works really well, is you know McNamara's character is

2434
01:43:45.279 --> 01:43:47.640
a gen xer. Yeah, and his dad is saying like,

2435
01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:49.680
you're soft like your mother, and I want you to

2436
01:43:49.720 --> 01:43:51.600
be tough like you have to be to make it

2437
01:43:51.600 --> 01:43:54.359
in this world, which is a very common thing, especially

2438
01:43:54.399 --> 01:43:57.039
with very successful people as you know, like, I'm worried

2439
01:43:57.079 --> 01:43:59.159
my kids because they grew up with everything aren't going

2440
01:43:59.199 --> 01:44:00.920
to be able to take over for me or whatever.

2441
01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:04.399
So he's basically kind of berating this poor kid who

2442
01:44:04.439 --> 01:44:07.000
is just a kid. Yeah, and he comes off as

2443
01:44:07.079 --> 01:44:10.520
like nineteen, Yeah, I would say probably maybe even younger,

2444
01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:11.720
maybe even just out of high school.

2445
01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:13.920
So Mason is also exploring the cabin before he meets

2446
01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:15.720
all of them, and we see that the cabin's really

2447
01:44:15.800 --> 01:44:18.119
ducked out. Nice. There's a granite table for Christ's sake,

2448
01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:22.520
there's like every possible like dead animal is decorated at

2449
01:44:22.520 --> 01:44:23.039
some point too.

2450
01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:25.640
Oh yeah, there's there's tons of elk heads and stuff

2451
01:44:25.680 --> 01:44:25.880
like that.

2452
01:44:25.960 --> 01:44:28.199
But he also finds that there's one door in particular

2453
01:44:28.239 --> 01:44:30.159
that has a lock on it a paddle.

2454
01:44:30.199 --> 01:44:31.479
Yeah you're not getting in that room.

2455
01:44:31.560 --> 01:44:33.720
Yeah. So he goes out meets the guys. We cut

2456
01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:35.279
over to dinner as they were having the pig that

2457
01:44:35.359 --> 01:44:38.640
was flying over yes, which rugger Howerd has prepared for them,

2458
01:44:38.760 --> 01:44:39.880
and his chef's hat. Yeah.

2459
01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:42.319
No, it's so fancy. Yeah, like that's the thing is

2460
01:44:42.319 --> 01:44:44.640
like the So he hands the head is out on

2461
01:44:44.720 --> 01:44:46.960
a silt literally a silverlver bladder. And that was one

2462
01:44:46.960 --> 01:44:49.000
thing I noticed, especially rewatching this with you, is I

2463
01:44:49.039 --> 01:44:51.600
was like, Dave, they're eating off silver at a cabin,

2464
01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:54.039
like they're supposed to be roughing it, and they're eating

2465
01:44:54.039 --> 01:44:56.960
off of silver. The pig is it's not like a

2466
01:44:57.079 --> 01:44:59.840
rough and dirty roast. The head is on a platter

2467
01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:03.560
with all these roasted potatoes and things like that, and

2468
01:45:03.600 --> 01:45:05.119
they're all sitting down to eat.

2469
01:45:05.319 --> 01:45:08.000
And this is where the movie really just takes off.

2470
01:45:08.199 --> 01:45:10.680
It just it's this is such a memorable moment because

2471
01:45:11.119 --> 01:45:13.119
the head is put right in front of Mason, so

2472
01:45:13.159 --> 01:45:15.199
the pig is like looking at him, and Mason just

2473
01:45:15.279 --> 01:45:17.840
kind of turns the head away from him. And then

2474
01:45:18.119 --> 01:45:21.760
Bucy's like, wow, she's making these pig sounds like if

2475
01:45:21.800 --> 01:45:23.760
you look at the pig as you eat it, you

2476
01:45:23.920 --> 01:45:24.439
devour it.

2477
01:45:24.640 --> 01:45:28.680
So they have this whole exchange about appreciating the food.

2478
01:45:28.760 --> 01:45:30.319
Rugger Hower has a whole thing where he's just like,

2479
01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:32.359
you know, you have to enjoy these things, you know,

2480
01:45:32.399 --> 01:45:35.399
you have to look at it, smell it, and experience

2481
01:45:35.439 --> 01:45:37.760
it finally assuming it slowly.

2482
01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:40.000
And then and then Ice is just like, you have

2483
01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:42.239
your way out of mine. He's just wolfing it down.

2484
01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:44.279
And we've got him drinking wine. He's like, oh man,

2485
01:45:44.279 --> 01:45:46.039
this is really good wine, and f. R. Abraham's like, yeah,

2486
01:45:46.079 --> 01:45:47.119
for four to fifty a bottle, it.

2487
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:48.800
Should be He's like, four dollars and fifty cents a bttle.

2488
01:45:48.800 --> 01:45:50.279
I should been drinking this a long time ago. It's

2489
01:45:50.319 --> 01:45:52.960
like four hundred and fifty dollars a bottle. And he's like,

2490
01:45:53.119 --> 01:45:54.399
offs on it. He's like, don't waste it.

2491
01:45:54.479 --> 01:45:59.000
Yeah. So they get through dinner and that's when we

2492
01:45:59.039 --> 01:46:01.560
see that Mason is sit with Hawkins and he sees

2493
01:46:01.600 --> 01:46:03.479
that he's smoking. He asks me, you and have a cigarette

2494
01:46:03.520 --> 01:46:04.800
and he's like, oh, no, go ahead and take the

2495
01:46:04.800 --> 01:46:05.439
whole pack. Oh.

2496
01:46:05.479 --> 01:46:07.920
And it's such a psychological game. Yeah, He's like, I'm

2497
01:46:07.960 --> 01:46:09.760
offering you the whole pack. Yes, I have another one

2498
01:46:09.800 --> 01:46:10.079
right here.

2499
01:46:10.119 --> 01:46:11.319
I only want one. He's like, not only one.

2500
01:46:11.399 --> 01:46:12.439
He's like, well, then the rest will have to go

2501
01:46:12.439 --> 01:46:13.720
to waste because I got a pack right here.

2502
01:46:13.800 --> 01:46:14.119
Yeah.

2503
01:46:14.159 --> 01:46:17.359
And that's totally a psychological mind game to see how

2504
01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:22.439
how suggestible a person is. That's a really like a

2505
01:46:22.439 --> 01:46:24.640
total mind game, and that tells you everything you need

2506
01:46:24.640 --> 01:46:25.399
to know about Hawkins.

2507
01:46:25.479 --> 01:46:28.319
But then we find out further so much more.

2508
01:46:28.399 --> 01:46:31.000
And this is probably the most memorable moment of the

2509
01:46:31.039 --> 01:46:33.920
film is this monologue. Now, does McGinley get pissed before this

2510
01:46:34.119 --> 01:46:35.520
or is he there for this? Because I think he

2511
01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:37.920
know this was this was he got mad first? Yeah,

2512
01:46:37.960 --> 01:46:38.920
and it can happen.

2513
01:46:38.720 --> 01:46:41.960
Because basically he sees that he McGinley is just eyeing,

2514
01:46:42.199 --> 01:46:44.279
is eyeing Mason, and Mason goes to have but you

2515
01:46:44.319 --> 01:46:46.079
got a problem me, and he's just like, ask him

2516
01:46:46.079 --> 01:46:46.439
some things.

2517
01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:48.560
But the weird thing is he's he's eyeing them all

2518
01:46:48.600 --> 01:46:49.800
mean yeah, and then he says like you got a

2519
01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:51.760
problem with or somebody goes, where are you from? Yeah,

2520
01:46:51.800 --> 01:46:55.000
and it's so soft, Yeah, where are you from? Like

2521
01:46:55.399 --> 01:46:57.760
it's so weird. It's like it's like he's trying not

2522
01:46:57.840 --> 01:46:58.560
to spook a deer.

2523
01:46:58.680 --> 01:47:00.880
Yeah, and he's and he basically it's still a point

2524
01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:03.000
where he, you know, asked him has he ever killed anybody?

2525
01:47:03.039 --> 01:47:05.640
And he's just killed any killed anything, and he's just like, yeah,

2526
01:47:05.680 --> 01:47:08.680
my wife and kid and McGinley fucking loses it.

2527
01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:10.800
Yeah, And they grab him and throw him out to

2528
01:47:10.840 --> 01:47:12.840
cool down. And as he's being thrown out, he's almost

2529
01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:15.279
giving it away. He's like, oh, mine, Namara and They're like,

2530
01:47:15.319 --> 01:47:18.359
gut outside, cool off. H It's a great moment, and

2531
01:47:18.399 --> 01:47:19.840
but it just blew my mind as I realized that

2532
01:47:19.880 --> 01:47:21.319
he was trying not to spook him. Yeah, when he's like,

2533
01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:24.199
where are you from? Yeah, Like it was so weird.

2534
01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:25.399
And so they asked he asked, He's like, you know,

2535
01:47:25.439 --> 01:47:27.000
what was his problem? He's like, oh, well, his daughter

2536
01:47:27.079 --> 01:47:28.840
was just killed. Like he lost his daughter a couple

2537
01:47:28.880 --> 01:47:30.920
of weeks ago. I think it was it was later

2538
01:47:31.039 --> 01:47:34.319
earlier this year or something. It wasn't like it was recent. Yeah,

2539
01:47:34.560 --> 01:47:36.439
very well, and it could have been five years ago

2540
01:47:36.479 --> 01:47:38.399
he'd still be he And I mean, we can go

2541
01:47:38.399 --> 01:47:39.800
ahead and say it. Now. We find out that his

2542
01:47:39.880 --> 01:47:42.239
daughter was literally stalked by somebody and then killed and

2543
01:47:42.279 --> 01:47:43.520
like fought for her life.

2544
01:47:43.319 --> 01:47:46.880
And likely by somebody who looks like Mace like him, Yeah,

2545
01:47:46.920 --> 01:47:49.119
probably a homeless black man.

2546
01:47:49.199 --> 01:47:51.319
Yeah. So that's when we get to do you want

2547
01:47:51.319 --> 01:47:54.159
to take it? Uh? The the infamous Beaucy portion.

2548
01:47:54.359 --> 01:47:56.000
I mean, I I could almost I feel like I

2549
01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:59.479
could almost tell it, but I won't. But he decides

2550
01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:02.319
him about his scar, yeah, because he says, like, Mason.

2551
01:48:02.039 --> 01:48:03.880
You know you should you know, ask me anything? Yeah,

2552
01:48:04.079 --> 01:48:04.680
where'd you get this car.

2553
01:48:04.760 --> 01:48:07.319
He's like, oh this, I call this a birthmark. And

2554
01:48:07.359 --> 01:48:10.159
he goes into the story that I'll nobody could do

2555
01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:13.800
it justice because Bucy does it so magnificently, where he

2556
01:48:13.880 --> 01:48:15.239
just tells the story about when he was a kid,

2557
01:48:15.239 --> 01:48:17.479
he got a bulldog named Prince Henry Stout, and his

2558
01:48:17.560 --> 01:48:20.199
father taught him to make it an attack dog, so

2559
01:48:20.239 --> 01:48:23.399
they trained it with firecrackers to get aggressive and attack things.

2560
01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:26.119
Then one day his dad's like, you're gonna be a man.

2561
01:48:26.039 --> 01:48:27.720
Yeah, because he's thirteen, because he got the dog when

2562
01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:29.680
he was eight thirteen, You're going to learn to be

2563
01:48:29.720 --> 01:48:29.960
a man.

2564
01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:31.479
You're gonna learn to do things that other men are

2565
01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:32.720
unwilling and unable to do.

2566
01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:34.840
Gets his first shotgun and.

2567
01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:37.479
He basically tells him like, you're gonna go out there.

2568
01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:39.000
He hands me with him a bunch of cherry bombs.

2569
01:48:39.039 --> 01:48:41.720
You're gonna throw these at the Prince. He's gonna attack you.

2570
01:48:42.039 --> 01:48:43.680
He's gonna kill you, or you're gonna kill him.

2571
01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:44.359
Yeah.

2572
01:48:44.560 --> 01:48:47.239
So he tells this incredible story about fighting the dog

2573
01:48:47.319 --> 01:48:50.439
and rolling over breaking its neck and that scar was

2574
01:48:50.439 --> 01:48:53.640
in the fight with Prince Henry Stout. Ye, and it's

2575
01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:56.920
an I cannot I mean, like talk about a great way.

2576
01:48:57.159 --> 01:48:58.479
One of the reasons I think this movie was so

2577
01:48:58.520 --> 01:49:02.520
successful on cable was once that monologue was over, Yeah

2578
01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:03.079
you are in.

2579
01:49:03.279 --> 01:49:05.920
I mean, that's basically like I told you it's Dickerson

2580
01:49:05.920 --> 01:49:07.680
said on the commentary that he wanted that to be

2581
01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:11.840
Quin's uss Indianapolis speech from Jaws basically for this movie. Yeah.

2582
01:49:11.920 --> 01:49:14.039
And and the best part is after all of that,

2583
01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:17.760
it cuts to Mason. He's just like, do you tell

2584
01:49:17.840 --> 01:49:21.039
your patients about this story? Patients though about that, No,

2585
01:49:21.560 --> 01:49:26.000
but you do. It's such a great it's such a

2586
01:49:26.039 --> 01:49:28.079
great moment. And that's when he also, you know, and

2587
01:49:28.760 --> 01:49:30.039
just before that, I think, is when we found out,

2588
01:49:30.039 --> 01:49:32.760
you know, you worked at the CIA, the company, the CIA,

2589
01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:34.079
And then he says like that's where I'm at these

2590
01:49:34.119 --> 01:49:34.560
two yep.

2591
01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:37.560
And you're like, oh, well, while all this is happening

2592
01:49:37.600 --> 01:49:39.560
to you, you've got William Knakna that's been handed a

2593
01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:41.399
feather by Rugger that wants him to tell him where

2594
01:49:41.399 --> 01:49:43.119
it came from. You've got his dad on the couch

2595
01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:45.279
like playing chess with Rugger, and everybody's just kind of

2596
01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:45.680
chilling out.

2597
01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:48.640
Yeah, they're relaxing, having cigars, but not actually smoking them.

2598
01:49:49.039 --> 01:49:51.279
There's a lot of having a cigar in your mouth

2599
01:49:51.319 --> 01:49:53.159
and then maybe starting to light it and then nothing else.

2600
01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:55.439
I mean, Dunton basically just carries his in his mouth

2601
01:49:55.520 --> 01:49:56.079
most of the movies.

2602
01:49:56.159 --> 01:49:57.479
Oh when he has like a ton of them in there,

2603
01:49:57.479 --> 01:49:59.960
and they're really long Churchill cigars too, and he's just

2604
01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:00.840
always chewing on one.

2605
01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:01.159
Yeah.

2606
01:50:01.239 --> 01:50:04.159
But yeah, and McNamara says, a Turkey vulture and they're like,

2607
01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:05.800
good job, you know, because he's trying to be a

2608
01:50:05.800 --> 01:50:06.279
good hunter.

2609
01:50:06.439 --> 01:50:09.119
And so this all leads to Rugger Howard taking him

2610
01:50:09.159 --> 01:50:10.880
up to his room. He says, tomorrow, I'll go over

2611
01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:12.560
the job with you, but for now, go ahead and

2612
01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:13.800
get yourself a good rest.

2613
01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:16.199
Get a good night's sleep. Yeah, and and this is yeah,

2614
01:50:16.199 --> 01:50:18.279
and this is where the movie literally never ever stops,

2615
01:50:18.399 --> 01:50:21.760
because he wakes up in the morning to a desert

2616
01:50:21.840 --> 01:50:25.479
eagle handgun by coal, which is up against his face,

2617
01:50:25.479 --> 01:50:28.279
and he hears and and and before he cocks the handle,

2618
01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:30.800
which is what wakes up Mason. Yeah, he says they

2619
01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:33.000
were was little hunters.

2620
01:50:33.079 --> 01:50:34.720
Yep. So he wakes up.

2621
01:50:34.760 --> 01:50:36.720
He's like, yo, what the shit Cole And he basically

2622
01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:39.079
knocks him around and says like, you know, you're the

2623
01:50:39.159 --> 01:50:41.079
you're the hunt You're the who we're hunting. Mason, like

2624
01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:43.359
you're the whatever. Opens the door and they go through,

2625
01:50:43.359 --> 01:50:45.439
and it's almost like a hazing ritual. They're all like

2626
01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:48.000
clapping and making loud noise and and while they're all

2627
01:50:48.039 --> 01:50:50.239
like laughing as at McGinley is grabbing him like spitting

2628
01:50:50.239 --> 01:50:52.039
on and saying like I could taste you already.

2629
01:50:52.119 --> 01:50:54.359
And and then we also have Ruggers. One of my

2630
01:50:54.359 --> 01:50:56.479
favorite lines, He's gonna He tells him that he's like

2631
01:50:56.520 --> 01:50:58.840
you're the hunted, or you're you're you're what's gonna be hunted?

2632
01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:02.000
Were the hunters? After we eat a nice leisure breakfast,

2633
01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:02.520
you get a ten.

2634
01:51:03.119 --> 01:51:04.760
However, get a head start for as long as it

2635
01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:07.319
takes for us to eat a nice, ye leisurely breakfast.

2636
01:51:07.720 --> 01:51:10.079
And I want to mention because there's so many great

2637
01:51:10.079 --> 01:51:13.159
moments that the the the crazy great lines are about

2638
01:51:13.159 --> 01:51:15.159
to ease up now that the action has started. But

2639
01:51:15.239 --> 01:51:18.079
the other thing that I loved that I never fully

2640
01:51:18.119 --> 01:51:20.640
caught before was when they're eating the pig right at

2641
01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:21.720
the at the beginning of dinner.

2642
01:51:21.800 --> 01:51:22.479
Yeah, John C.

2643
01:51:22.600 --> 01:51:26.039
McGinley asks Cole, Oh yeah, he says like, because they

2644
01:51:26.079 --> 01:51:28.520
say Cole picked the pig, because Cole's really good at

2645
01:51:28.520 --> 01:51:30.319
picking the pigs. And he's like, now, did you know

2646
01:51:30.399 --> 01:51:32.960
the pig was going to be this delicious? While the

2647
01:51:32.960 --> 01:51:35.239
pig was still breathing, He's like, I'm pretty sure about it.

2648
01:51:35.880 --> 01:51:39.680
He's literally he did that to Mason. Yeah, he picked

2649
01:51:39.720 --> 01:51:41.920
Mason out and was like, I have a good feeling

2650
01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:43.479
about this guy, because that's what you say when he

2651
01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:45.760
when he heads off. He keeps saying every time Mason

2652
01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:47.439
out smarts and he goes, I told you this guy

2653
01:51:47.479 --> 01:51:48.279
was going to be amazing.

2654
01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:48.600
Yeah.

2655
01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:52.880
So now we've got Mason running for the woods, heart racing,

2656
01:51:53.039 --> 01:51:54.920
trying to, you know, figure out what to do. They

2657
01:51:55.039 --> 01:51:58.239
they give him nothing but the clothes on his back.

2658
01:51:58.399 --> 01:52:00.960
They give him like a vess. Yeah, he has to

2659
01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:03.640
have a special like hunt like a prey bess basically, and.

2660
01:52:03.600 --> 01:52:04.640
He had his boots and stuff.

2661
01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:04.680
Like.

2662
01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:07.359
They didn't send him out with nothing. They sent him

2663
01:52:07.359 --> 01:52:10.760
out just basically. I kind of wondered because he was

2664
01:52:10.760 --> 01:52:12.319
like ready to go right then. I wonder if they

2665
01:52:12.520 --> 01:52:13.880
like dressed him while he was a sleeper.

2666
01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:17.239
Something possible. I mean, yeah, because.

2667
01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:18.760
There's also a line when when he's drinking the wine

2668
01:52:18.760 --> 01:52:19.800
where they say like, you don't want to have too

2669
01:52:19.840 --> 01:52:21.680
much mine anyway, because you don't want to be slow tomorrow.

2670
01:52:21.680 --> 01:52:25.239
And he's like laughing and you're like, yeah.

2671
01:52:24.199 --> 01:52:26.000
So he's running out in the woods. We cut back

2672
01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:29.279
to them having breakfast and Bucy's just rare in to go.

2673
01:52:29.399 --> 01:52:31.239
I'm ready, and Ruggers like, no, no, we're going to

2674
01:52:31.279 --> 01:52:33.119
give him the time. We're gonna give him more time

2675
01:52:33.199 --> 01:52:36.199
to ye and we're gonna enjoy ourselves, and they Prince

2676
01:52:36.239 --> 01:52:37.279
Henry stout.

2677
01:52:38.880 --> 01:52:41.279
It's such a but they're literally they're not just eating like,

2678
01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:44.479
they're like looking at at like artwork, and he's and

2679
01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:46.399
and and Readyger has this whole line about like I

2680
01:52:46.520 --> 01:52:49.479
like beautiful things, and he's looking at like a butter

2681
01:52:49.560 --> 01:52:53.840
butterfly that's been framed. Now will William McNamara isn't touching

2682
01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:54.159
his food.

2683
01:52:54.199 --> 01:52:56.279
He doesn't have an appetite, and Rugger even tells him,

2684
01:52:56.279 --> 01:52:57.399
he's like, you know, you should eat some eggs, you

2685
01:52:57.439 --> 01:52:59.479
know he'll feel better. And then McGinley just takes his

2686
01:52:59.520 --> 01:53:00.199
place like.

2687
01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:01.680
He's like, I'm not hungry. He's like, what was that, Well,

2688
01:53:01.720 --> 01:53:04.239
let's do a little switcherony. Yeah, Baginley is shoveling food

2689
01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:07.479
down his mouth because he's so excited, yeah, to go

2690
01:53:07.640 --> 01:53:08.560
and do this thing.

2691
01:53:08.720 --> 01:53:11.079
So they finally finished their meal and they go after him,

2692
01:53:11.239 --> 01:53:14.199
and this is when they are on their ATVs going

2693
01:53:14.199 --> 01:53:15.039
through the woods.

2694
01:53:14.760 --> 01:53:16.479
Which is the first moment, by the way, that I

2695
01:53:16.520 --> 01:53:19.119
think it's a real good commentary on hunting. Is like

2696
01:53:19.119 --> 01:53:20.840
they're like, you have a ten minute headstart to run

2697
01:53:20.880 --> 01:53:21.640
into the woods and.

2698
01:53:21.560 --> 01:53:24.119
There's any TV. Yeah, you know.

2699
01:53:24.239 --> 01:53:26.520
It's like because I've always heard those people, Like I

2700
01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:28.000
had a friend years and years ago who used to

2701
01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:29.880
always say, like I hate hunting. I just hate the

2702
01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:31.560
concept of it. Like if you want to be a hunter,

2703
01:53:31.680 --> 01:53:33.560
you should go into the woods naked with a fork.

2704
01:53:34.159 --> 01:53:36.279
That's all you get. You used to always say that

2705
01:53:36.319 --> 01:53:38.000
it killed me. I thought that was the funniest, the

2706
01:53:38.079 --> 01:53:38.720
funniest thing.

2707
01:53:39.159 --> 01:53:42.119
So they they eventually catch up to Mason, so they

2708
01:53:42.119 --> 01:53:44.159
think like Johnson McGinley thinks he has sight of them,

2709
01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:46.600
shoots a bunch of trees, which causes all the guys

2710
01:53:46.600 --> 01:53:47.359
to laugh at him.

2711
01:53:47.239 --> 01:53:51.600
And he has this massive hot shit spasky. So because

2712
01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:55.439
everybody's weapons are kind of representative, yea, like Bucy has

2713
01:53:55.439 --> 01:53:57.560
a crossbow, and he's wearing like a fringed kind of

2714
01:53:57.640 --> 01:54:00.720
Native American jacket and he has like an and a holster.

2715
01:54:00.920 --> 01:54:02.199
He got some paint down his side too.

2716
01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:04.600
Yeah, he's very he's very It's very clear that this

2717
01:54:04.680 --> 01:54:06.760
is some ritual for him.

2718
01:54:06.880 --> 01:54:09.800
Yeah. Yeah, it's for him. So you got that. You've

2719
01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:12.680
got Rugger's got a really nice rifle, and Dutton I

2720
01:54:12.680 --> 01:54:15.479
think basically has the Desert Eagle. He has a Desert

2721
01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:17.000
Eagle and he has got a rifle too. Yeah, and

2722
01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:18.399
then and then F.

2723
01:54:18.479 --> 01:54:22.239
Murray Abraham has like just a standard hunting riflesfle It's

2724
01:54:22.279 --> 01:54:24.960
it's very interesting. And the way that they're if you

2725
01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:27.439
look at the way they're dressed, that's another really interesting thing. Yeah,

2726
01:54:27.680 --> 01:54:31.960
because Rugger Howard looks put together, like he looks like

2727
01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:33.119
he wants to look good.

2728
01:54:33.279 --> 01:54:34.760
Yeah. Then you look at like F.

2729
01:54:34.840 --> 01:54:36.520
Murray Abraham and his son, and they're just wearing like

2730
01:54:36.560 --> 01:54:40.279
the most expensive hunting stuff. Yeah, like they kind of

2731
01:54:40.279 --> 01:54:42.159
look out of place. They do, because they're just it

2732
01:54:42.159 --> 01:54:44.000
looks like they just went on ll Bean and just

2733
01:54:44.000 --> 01:54:45.439
picked the most expensive thing.

2734
01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:49.000
And the thing with mc namara is he's hesitant throughout

2735
01:54:49.039 --> 01:54:50.920
most of this movie with the hunt to where f

2736
01:54:51.000 --> 01:54:53.520
Murray Abraham has to pull him aside multiple times and

2737
01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:55.159
keep telling him like, no, you're gonna do this, to

2738
01:54:55.199 --> 01:54:57.079
even where they issue a bet to where I bet

2739
01:54:57.119 --> 01:54:58.520
my son's the first one to catch him.

2740
01:54:58.560 --> 01:55:00.640
Yeah, I bet my son gets draws first blood. Ye,

2741
01:55:00.680 --> 01:55:01.159
who's in.

2742
01:55:01.359 --> 01:55:04.520
Yeah. So they eventually catch up to Mason, but he

2743
01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:07.119
outwits them, and so they're tracking them. They're tracking them,

2744
01:55:07.119 --> 01:55:09.359
and then suddenly we see Mason's also resting by a

2745
01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:11.439
tree and he gets an idea and he doubles back,

2746
01:55:12.079 --> 01:55:13.840
so he gets back to the cabin. And that's also

2747
01:55:13.920 --> 01:55:15.640
when we catch back up to our hunters and they

2748
01:55:15.720 --> 01:55:16.800
stop and they're.

2749
01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:18.960
Like you smell that, and he's like he wouldn't. What

2750
01:55:19.119 --> 01:55:20.600
an idiot? Yeah, And then they.

2751
01:55:20.479 --> 01:55:21.560
They've never done that before.

2752
01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:24.199
Well, no, no, before that the smoking tree. Oh yeah,

2753
01:55:24.359 --> 01:55:27.199
they're just like, what an idiot he's smoking? He's smoking? Yeah,

2754
01:55:27.239 --> 01:55:29.760
And then they they shoot and realize it's a tree

2755
01:55:30.159 --> 01:55:31.960
and he had he had put a couple of cigarettes

2756
01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:34.079
and lit them on the tree to load them off.

2757
01:55:34.119 --> 01:55:36.239
But that's when they figure out like he went back

2758
01:55:36.239 --> 01:55:38.600
to the cabin and then and then Cole says, like

2759
01:55:38.680 --> 01:55:40.680
none of them has ever done that before, Yes, which

2760
01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:42.479
is such a brilliant move too.

2761
01:55:42.560 --> 01:55:44.399
He gets back to the cabin, he's looking for guns.

2762
01:55:44.399 --> 01:55:45.960
He keeps saying that there's gotta be guns. Here's got

2763
01:55:46.039 --> 01:55:47.560
to be guns in here. So he goes first to

2764
01:55:47.600 --> 01:55:49.680
that lock door, gets something to break the lock off,

2765
01:55:49.880 --> 01:55:51.760
breaks the lock. It's just a dark room with a

2766
01:55:51.760 --> 01:55:53.840
bunch of jars until he turns on the light and

2767
01:55:53.880 --> 01:55:56.880
then we see all the heads of the pass hunted.

2768
01:55:57.000 --> 01:55:59.960
And they're not just heads and jars, they have little

2769
01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:03.439
plaques with the names. Yeah, and then they find he

2770
01:56:03.479 --> 01:56:05.239
finds the one jar in there that's empty.

2771
01:56:05.319 --> 01:56:06.640
Yeah, a mason jar, mace.

2772
01:56:06.760 --> 01:56:08.439
I was so funny. I said that when we were

2773
01:56:08.439 --> 01:56:09.840
watching it too. Hey, it's a mason jar.

2774
01:56:10.159 --> 01:56:13.000
So the first thing he does immediately is he starts

2775
01:56:13.039 --> 01:56:15.640
laying waste of this room, throwing everything over. He gets

2776
01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:18.560
some gasoline outside, pours it inside the cabin. Right does

2777
01:56:18.560 --> 01:56:20.439
he hears them start to come back to the cabin. Yeah.

2778
01:56:20.479 --> 01:56:22.560
He grabs all the gas for the generator because earlier

2779
01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:24.520
they showed him like they had him rock and fuel

2780
01:56:24.560 --> 01:56:24.880
over to.

2781
01:56:24.920 --> 01:56:27.760
The propane and everything. Yeah, so it starts a fire

2782
01:56:27.840 --> 01:56:29.960
right as they pull up and as they're walking up

2783
01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:33.720
f Bray, Abraham goes upstairs and rugger Howard's like, you

2784
01:56:33.760 --> 01:56:35.520
smell that? And so they're like, oh my god, it's

2785
01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:38.119
trap right as this fire kicks up. Yeah, but then

2786
01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:40.399
out back Mason has just lit the fire, and who

2787
01:56:40.520 --> 01:56:42.840
comes right through that door, crazy as.

2788
01:56:42.760 --> 01:56:45.199
All get out, Gary Buse pretty much the only jump

2789
01:56:45.199 --> 01:56:48.520
scare in his film because he it's effective. He bursts

2790
01:56:48.520 --> 01:56:50.960
through the door, knife in his hands, going yeah yeah,

2791
01:56:51.039 --> 01:56:55.279
just screaming, attacks Mason and at first he holds him

2792
01:56:55.359 --> 01:56:57.720
up against the wall of the cabin which is hot, yeah,

2793
01:56:57.720 --> 01:56:59.960
and then pulls up. I goes like my meat medium rare, yeah,

2794
01:57:00.399 --> 01:57:04.119
And then he knocks him over and then he says,

2795
01:57:04.520 --> 01:57:07.920
try well done, bitch, and he throws it through there.

2796
01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:10.560
So now he's gone back into the fiery building. And

2797
01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:12.439
then Mason runs away as the building finally gives a

2798
01:57:12.439 --> 01:57:14.680
boom blows up because all the heads are stored in

2799
01:57:14.760 --> 01:57:17.039
some kind of a flammable liquid. Yeah, so it's a

2800
01:57:17.199 --> 01:57:19.520
and he made sure to put most of the gasoline

2801
01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:19.800
in that.

2802
01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:21.239
I love that.

2803
01:57:21.279 --> 01:57:24.199
His reaction is like, fuck these motherfuckers, Like, I don't

2804
01:57:24.199 --> 01:57:26.279
even think it was really a trap. No, I think

2805
01:57:26.279 --> 01:57:29.560
he was just he was mad. He was like so

2806
01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:31.439
mortified and mad.

2807
01:57:31.560 --> 01:57:34.680
Yeah, the while that's happening to you, f Mary, Abraham's

2808
01:57:34.680 --> 01:57:37.159
gone upstairs to try and find him. The explosion knocks

2809
01:57:37.239 --> 01:57:39.119
him out, so his son ends up saving him, pulling

2810
01:57:39.199 --> 01:57:41.079
him towards a window, which all the guys helped him

2811
01:57:41.079 --> 01:57:43.079
get out. So he's very happy with the son, which

2812
01:57:43.119 --> 01:57:45.760
is like the one moment that we have and that's.

2813
01:57:45.680 --> 01:57:48.199
The one where Abraham where he's starting to think like,

2814
01:57:48.239 --> 01:57:51.520
my son isn't like nothing, and me, he saved my life.

2815
01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:53.760
And the guys even when he starts to doubt himself

2816
01:57:53.760 --> 01:57:55.479
but even say like he was gonna kill your father,

2817
01:57:55.640 --> 01:57:56.680
like if it weren't for you.

2818
01:57:56.880 --> 01:57:59.880
Well, because he sees Mason run off as the explosion

2819
01:58:00.439 --> 01:58:03.079
and he's just grabbing a canteen, doesn't say anything, but rugger,

2820
01:58:03.079 --> 01:58:04.640
Howard's right on his ass and he's just like, what

2821
01:58:04.680 --> 01:58:05.279
did you see?

2822
01:58:05.399 --> 01:58:09.760
And he just went that way, like just immediately. This

2823
01:58:09.840 --> 01:58:13.640
is such a great Ah. I love this movie so much, and.

2824
01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:17.319
You were a little ahead. This is the cigarettes. Yeah,

2825
01:58:17.359 --> 01:58:19.640
and also the dog. Oh yeah, it's like a wolf

2826
01:58:19.680 --> 01:58:20.920
and he does but he does the same thing he

2827
01:58:20.960 --> 01:58:22.840
did with the security doog. He just goes yo, man,

2828
01:58:22.840 --> 01:58:24.479
I'm sorry, I'll get out of youd have it. In

2829
01:58:24.479 --> 01:58:26.920
my notes, Dickerson the Wolf. Dickerson said the wolf was

2830
01:58:26.960 --> 01:58:28.840
a way bigger part of the original screenplay.

2831
01:58:28.920 --> 01:58:30.920
I believe that. Yeah, but it would be impossible. I mean,

2832
01:58:31.039 --> 01:58:34.279
like it would be so expensive, yea, working with animals

2833
01:58:34.279 --> 01:58:34.720
all the time.

2834
01:58:34.800 --> 01:58:36.479
So yeah, he gets back into the woods, does the

2835
01:58:36.479 --> 01:58:38.439
thing that we said in regards to lighting the cigarettes

2836
01:58:38.439 --> 01:58:40.239
and putting them in the trees. So they're immediate like

2837
01:58:40.239 --> 01:58:43.560
that that he's smoking. So they take binoculars they see

2838
01:58:43.560 --> 01:58:46.039
the tree smoking and all while this is happening, John

2839
01:58:46.039 --> 01:58:48.920
C McGinley has gone off by himself to go ambush him,

2840
01:58:49.239 --> 01:58:50.560
ends up getting ambushed himself.

2841
01:58:50.720 --> 01:58:53.399
Yeah, he basically rambos him. He he drops out of

2842
01:58:53.439 --> 01:58:55.560
the tree, lands right on top of him. Yep. And

2843
01:58:55.680 --> 01:58:58.720
now the tables are really starting to turn. The day

2844
01:58:58.800 --> 01:59:01.560
is getting to the end. It's to soon become nighttime.

2845
01:59:01.760 --> 01:59:04.279
He's carrying Johnson McGinley through the woods, which is one

2846
01:59:04.279 --> 01:59:05.960
of my favorites, because they're all wearing these headsets that

2847
01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:07.600
you talk to each other. They're trying to reach him

2848
01:59:07.600 --> 01:59:09.399
and trying to reach him, and he starts going like

2849
01:59:09.439 --> 01:59:11.720
while he's being Fireman's carried by iced t he's.

2850
01:59:11.600 --> 01:59:13.199
Like, all right, he's like, shut the fuck up.

2851
01:59:13.399 --> 01:59:15.960
He hits his head twice into a tree and then

2852
01:59:16.079 --> 01:59:17.000
keeps walking through.

2853
01:59:17.319 --> 01:59:19.840
So he ends up finding shelter in a cave and

2854
01:59:20.199 --> 01:59:22.560
that's when he's got McGinley tied up. And McGinley is

2855
01:59:22.720 --> 01:59:26.560
just also asthmatic. We've got to mention, So, yeah, an Hailer.

2856
01:59:26.319 --> 01:59:28.960
One of the best parts, because one of the best

2857
01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:31.520
parts because he's he's this big, tough cowboy, but every

2858
01:59:31.520 --> 01:59:33.439
now and that he gets too excited and he has to.

2859
01:59:34.079 --> 01:59:36.760
Yeah. So he's tied up by Mason and he's just like,

2860
01:59:36.760 --> 01:59:38.119
you know, why don't you fucking kill me, Why don't

2861
01:59:38.119 --> 01:59:39.880
you go ahead and be a hunter use that trigger

2862
01:59:39.880 --> 01:59:42.039
and everything, And Mason basically tells him he's not going

2863
01:59:42.119 --> 01:59:44.239
to do it because he's the marketing chip.

2864
01:59:44.239 --> 01:59:45.920
And he thinks about it for a second and he's

2865
01:59:45.960 --> 01:59:47.520
like no, yeah, no.

2866
01:59:47.880 --> 01:59:50.560
So this all leads to an extended scene with McGinley

2867
01:59:50.800 --> 01:59:53.600
basically like calling Mason out and saying that he's the

2868
01:59:53.760 --> 01:59:56.439
he's one of the reasons that his daughter got attacked

2869
01:59:56.439 --> 01:59:58.239
and killed and you know, blames him.

2870
01:59:58.319 --> 02:00:00.399
There's an amazing moment where he says like, I don't

2871
02:00:00.399 --> 02:00:01.720
know who did it, like, and he was like, for

2872
02:00:01.760 --> 02:00:03.279
all I know, you did it.

2873
02:00:03.399 --> 02:00:03.840
You did it.

2874
02:00:03.920 --> 02:00:06.119
Yeah, And that's an incredible moment where you realize that

2875
02:00:06.159 --> 02:00:08.560
this guy is just he's just desperate.

2876
02:00:08.239 --> 02:00:11.439
Yeah, for an answer. He wants revenge. He does, doesn't

2877
02:00:11.479 --> 02:00:13.159
he'll never get it. He'll never see that, or he's

2878
02:00:13.159 --> 02:00:14.760
not going to get it. Yeah. And this leads to

2879
02:00:14.840 --> 02:00:19.079
Mason basically explaining how he didn't technically kill his wife

2880
02:00:19.279 --> 02:00:22.039
or his wife and son. What happened was he was

2881
02:00:22.079 --> 02:00:24.760
working at this building and he became the manager of

2882
02:00:24.760 --> 02:00:26.399
it where they were living, so they could live there

2883
02:00:26.439 --> 02:00:28.479
for free. Yep. And it was a rundown place at

2884
02:00:28.479 --> 02:00:30.520
a bunch of fire hazards. One night, he had worked

2885
02:00:30.560 --> 02:00:32.880
too late, came back and found that the building was

2886
02:00:32.960 --> 02:00:33.840
burning down the way.

2887
02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:36.560
He said, it affects me so much, because he says,

2888
02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:38.279
I'm all the way back and I see my building.

2889
02:00:38.359 --> 02:00:41.199
Only it's not my my building, but it is my

2890
02:00:41.279 --> 02:00:44.199
building because it was on fire. And sure enough, his

2891
02:00:44.239 --> 02:00:46.600
wife and kid die in that fire.

2892
02:00:47.119 --> 02:00:49.439
And McGinley has the great lineup, I thought you said

2893
02:00:49.439 --> 02:00:50.039
you killed them.

2894
02:00:50.479 --> 02:00:51.800
They're dead, aren't they yes.

2895
02:00:52.199 --> 02:00:55.600
So by this point McGinley and Mason have kind of

2896
02:00:55.680 --> 02:00:57.960
just chilled out. But also we see that Rugger Howard

2897
02:00:57.960 --> 02:01:00.159
and f Maury Abraham have seen exactly where they are.

2898
02:01:00.239 --> 02:01:02.760
They're planning to ambush the cave in the morning, which

2899
02:01:02.800 --> 02:01:05.239
they do. They find John C. McGinley there and he

2900
02:01:05.439 --> 02:01:08.079
is rescued. He gets his little his little power bar

2901
02:01:08.119 --> 02:01:10.000
and he's like, all I know is I'm done. Like

2902
02:01:10.159 --> 02:01:12.479
you guys can keep doing this. I gotta let him go.

2903
02:01:12.800 --> 02:01:14.640
He spared me. Gotta let him go. Yeah, And they're like,

2904
02:01:14.680 --> 02:01:16.199
you know, we can't do it. He's like, I'm not.

2905
02:01:16.319 --> 02:01:19.520
I can't stop you. Yeah, but I'm done. Yeah, Like

2906
02:01:19.560 --> 02:01:20.199
I'm going home.

2907
02:01:20.319 --> 02:01:23.640
So he starts walking and that's when Rugger Howerd's like,

2908
02:01:23.680 --> 02:01:24.840
you know, turn around and he's like, what are you

2909
02:01:24.880 --> 02:01:26.800
gonna do? Shoot me in the back, yes.

2910
02:01:27.199 --> 02:01:29.119
And he turns around with this crazy look in his

2911
02:01:29.159 --> 02:01:31.840
face too, like he was about to fucking whoop the

2912
02:01:32.039 --> 02:01:37.720
shit out of Rugger Howard. Because the reality isn't there

2913
02:01:38.159 --> 02:01:41.319
that these guys are killer killers, because I don't think

2914
02:01:41.359 --> 02:01:43.600
John C. McGinley, his character is a killer No, at

2915
02:01:43.680 --> 02:01:45.720
least not yet. No, Because these guys are training people

2916
02:01:45.720 --> 02:01:47.760
to be killers. Basically, so he looks at him with

2917
02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:49.279
this crazy look because he's just like, I'm gonna beat

2918
02:01:49.319 --> 02:01:51.279
the shit out of you. Because from his perspective, he's like,

2919
02:01:51.479 --> 02:01:53.439
I'll just beat the shit out of him. He'll wipe

2920
02:01:53.439 --> 02:01:55.079
the blood out of his nose. We'll all laugh about

2921
02:01:55.079 --> 02:01:56.399
it and I'll be like, yeah, I get to go

2922
02:01:56.439 --> 02:01:56.880
home now.

2923
02:01:56.960 --> 02:01:59.720
Yeah, but no, no, So he turns around and Rugger

2924
02:01:59.720 --> 02:02:01.800
Howard just with this like peach apple whatever it is

2925
02:02:01.840 --> 02:02:05.680
that yeah, he and Charles Dunton just takes out his degal,

2926
02:02:05.920 --> 02:02:07.199
shooting him right in the head.

2927
02:02:07.800 --> 02:02:10.039
And the first thing that happens is billing that McNamara's

2928
02:02:10.319 --> 02:02:12.760
going dad dead dead, and they knock him in the

2929
02:02:12.800 --> 02:02:15.720
stunner and then he pulls his gun right on Rudger

2930
02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:16.600
Howard and they're like.

2931
02:02:17.439 --> 02:02:20.640
Wolf, yeah, oh my god. So they talk him down

2932
02:02:20.760 --> 02:02:23.960
and basically mc namara is just like, you know, I'll

2933
02:02:24.000 --> 02:02:26.079
continue this hunt, but when this is done, like you

2934
02:02:26.159 --> 02:02:27.520
and I are done.

2935
02:02:27.560 --> 02:02:29.159
Well, he says, I will never forget this.

2936
02:02:29.199 --> 02:02:30.600
I will never forget that. He was like, I'll help

2937
02:02:30.640 --> 02:02:32.680
you hunt him, and I might even have to help him.

2938
02:02:32.680 --> 02:02:33.359
You help me kill him.

2939
02:02:33.399 --> 02:02:36.279
Yeah, but when this is over, I'm not gonna forget this, Yeah,

2940
02:02:36.359 --> 02:02:40.000
which is an incredible moment too, because f Murray Abraham

2941
02:02:40.039 --> 02:02:42.680
is realizing like maybe this wasn't a good idea.

2942
02:02:42.800 --> 02:02:45.279
Yeah. Well, and they've killed They've now killed Griffin to

2943
02:02:45.279 --> 02:02:47.439
prevent any legal action because he was he was even

2944
02:02:47.439 --> 02:02:49.159
saying like, you know, you, you guys can do whatever you want.

2945
02:02:49.199 --> 02:02:50.880
You know, I'm gonna go home. And he's like, you know,

2946
02:02:50.920 --> 02:02:53.399
what are you gonna do? So they've eliminated it time

2947
02:02:53.520 --> 02:02:54.359
gives that whole speech rare.

2948
02:02:54.359 --> 02:02:56.439
He's like, you think he's gonna go to the police,

2949
02:02:56.640 --> 02:02:58.840
Chances are you'll never see him again if he gets

2950
02:02:58.840 --> 02:03:01.079
out of here. A lot and and well, and even

2951
02:03:01.199 --> 02:03:05.000
Rudger Howard even says like he's right, maybe he's right, Like,

2952
02:03:05.079 --> 02:03:07.079
oh my god, and they're just setting him.

2953
02:03:07.000 --> 02:03:09.119
Up, setting it up further and further. So by this point,

2954
02:03:09.119 --> 02:03:11.399
now Mason knows that he's been killed, and now they're

2955
02:03:11.439 --> 02:03:13.640
back on the hunt again. They end up following him

2956
02:03:13.640 --> 02:03:16.439
to this river where they find one footprint. As they

2957
02:03:16.439 --> 02:03:18.720
start walking through the river, we see that Mason's hiding

2958
02:03:18.760 --> 02:03:21.600
out in a hollowed out tree. He climbs out, goes

2959
02:03:21.640 --> 02:03:24.680
back to their ATVs doesn't steal one right away because

2960
02:03:24.680 --> 02:03:26.560
he sees Coles. And what he does is he cuts

2961
02:03:26.600 --> 02:03:29.319
the wire for the ignition, test it and then sticks

2962
02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:29.960
it right in the gas.

2963
02:03:30.039 --> 02:03:32.159
Yeah. When he presses the ignition, it sparks, ye, So

2964
02:03:32.159 --> 02:03:33.439
he sticks it in the gas tank.

2965
02:03:33.840 --> 02:03:36.720
Oh man. So they end up realizing like, okay, that

2966
02:03:36.720 --> 02:03:38.720
he didn't go this way. So they're doubling back right

2967
02:03:38.760 --> 02:03:41.279
as he's driving off. So that's when Rugger Howard takes

2968
02:03:41.319 --> 02:03:44.279
aim with his rifle. Cole gets on his starts it up.

2969
02:03:44.760 --> 02:03:47.399
Rugger Howard shoots out the tire and right as that happens,

2970
02:03:47.479 --> 02:03:49.159
Cole's ATV blows up.

2971
02:03:49.319 --> 02:03:51.680
Yeah, which causes him to basically miss his chance to

2972
02:03:51.680 --> 02:03:56.479
shoot Mason dead from a distance too, because his ATV explodes.

2973
02:03:56.520 --> 02:04:01.119
And this is a moment that stuck with me forever. Yeah,

2974
02:04:01.159 --> 02:04:03.600
because he because as they walk over to him, his

2975
02:04:04.239 --> 02:04:06.079
his leger gone and he and he's in shock.

2976
02:04:07.479 --> 02:04:09.439
This won't be last pick. Sain't the last pig.

2977
02:04:10.119 --> 02:04:13.319
He keeps saying that saint the last pig. Yeah, you

2978
02:04:13.319 --> 02:04:15.479
you you deserve to tell this part. Because I get

2979
02:04:15.520 --> 02:04:16.920
too excited and start getting ahead.

2980
02:04:16.920 --> 02:04:19.640
So he's he's frantic, and that's when a mason has

2981
02:04:19.680 --> 02:04:21.600
crashed because the tire got shot out. So he's off

2982
02:04:21.640 --> 02:04:23.439
to the side, and you know he's not hearing any

2983
02:04:23.439 --> 02:04:25.239
of this. So we see Rugger Howard walk up and

2984
02:04:25.239 --> 02:04:27.159
he's just like, hey, hey, calm down. He's like, you know,

2985
02:04:27.319 --> 02:04:29.560
I'm gonna have to put you to bed. It's time.

2986
02:04:30.399 --> 02:04:32.239
And he has his hands like this, he's got like

2987
02:04:32.239 --> 02:04:35.039
he's got his finger guns almost, and he puts them

2988
02:04:35.079 --> 02:04:37.800
right under his chin and presses to where he basically.

2989
02:04:37.720 --> 02:04:41.560
He collapses his his lung, well, he collapses his esophagush.

2990
02:04:41.640 --> 02:04:44.680
Yeah. So and all while this is happening too, he's

2991
02:04:44.760 --> 02:04:47.039
just going through the motions, takes his headband off that

2992
02:04:47.079 --> 02:04:49.239
he's been wearing, and it's just like he's just straught.

2993
02:04:49.359 --> 02:04:51.680
And this is the part where I'll bring up what

2994
02:04:51.760 --> 02:04:55.119
I was telling you, which is I think there's a

2995
02:04:55.199 --> 02:04:59.279
subtext that that they were lovers. I think so because

2996
02:04:59.319 --> 02:05:01.119
there are a lot of moments where they're touching each

2997
02:05:01.119 --> 02:05:04.439
other and kind of doting on each other. Just puts

2998
02:05:04.439 --> 02:05:06.520
a mint in his mouth. There's also the whole thing

2999
02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:08.760
where it's like he's very like he makes the house

3000
02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:09.199
a home.

3001
02:05:09.520 --> 02:05:12.880
It's frames the This is the butterfly, the butterfly because

3002
02:05:12.880 --> 02:05:14.800
it looks like a heart. Yeah, and then the camera

3003
02:05:15.159 --> 02:05:17.520
and then the camera pulls focus from the butterfly two

3004
02:05:17.640 --> 02:05:20.560
Cole's face smiling at him. But the big thing is

3005
02:05:20.560 --> 02:05:21.800
when he tells him, like, it's time to put you

3006
02:05:21.880 --> 02:05:23.840
to bed and he puts his fingers on him. He

3007
02:05:23.880 --> 02:05:26.760
doesn't fight, he puts his hands on him gently and

3008
02:05:26.840 --> 02:05:30.760
like lets him kill him, Yeah, and then not I'm

3009
02:05:30.800 --> 02:05:34.399
trying to think of the symbolism. After Rugger lets him die,

3010
02:05:34.520 --> 02:05:37.359
he goes over and he has that like incredible moment

3011
02:05:37.359 --> 02:05:38.920
of not a full cry, but that's the moment where

3012
02:05:38.920 --> 02:05:40.279
he's just kind of looking off and he's like the

3013
02:05:40.279 --> 02:05:43.680
tears are happening, his hair's fallen down, he's looking and again,

3014
02:05:43.680 --> 02:05:46.319
maybe I'm overreading this, but he's looking very feminine in

3015
02:05:46.359 --> 02:05:50.039
that moment. And the reason I started to go like,

3016
02:05:50.039 --> 02:05:52.600
these guys seem really intimate was that the more it goes,

3017
02:05:52.600 --> 02:05:54.359
the more you realize they're really only in it with

3018
02:05:54.439 --> 02:05:58.039
each other. Everybody else could be killed because they're a problem,

3019
02:05:58.600 --> 02:06:00.920
but they are the tea. Yeah.

3020
02:06:01.159 --> 02:06:04.279
And it started making me see just more and more

3021
02:06:04.319 --> 02:06:07.520
of like how they were so so familiar with each

3022
02:06:07.520 --> 02:06:09.720
other in like a really and I don't know, I

3023
02:06:09.920 --> 02:06:12.079
think it was subtext. I don't Ernest Dickerson didn't mention

3024
02:06:12.159 --> 02:06:14.840
on the commentary you mentioned, So it made me wonder

3025
02:06:14.920 --> 02:06:20.399
if maybe, like if Rugger Hower and and Charles Dutton

3026
02:06:20.399 --> 02:06:23.199
had like talked about it kind of and kind of

3027
02:06:23.239 --> 02:06:26.319
like put that subtext in by the way they interacted

3028
02:06:26.359 --> 02:06:28.960
with each other, because it's it's it's it's everything they

3029
02:06:29.000 --> 02:06:30.840
do is so interesting. Because that's kind of my point

3030
02:06:30.960 --> 02:06:35.199
is we're watching this ridiculous, low budget ish action movie

3031
02:06:35.840 --> 02:06:39.399
with hunters hunting a man for sport, and they're so

3032
02:06:39.520 --> 02:06:42.319
the Hunters are so interesting to watch and listen to,

3033
02:06:42.960 --> 02:06:45.199
and that's my point of like, I love the idea

3034
02:06:45.279 --> 02:06:48.680
that like that's the subtext that doesn't that matters because

3035
02:06:48.720 --> 02:06:51.720
it makes them more interesting because they could just be

3036
02:06:51.840 --> 02:06:55.760
drooling mad men, or they could just be cold calculating sociopathy.

3037
02:06:55.880 --> 02:06:56.800
But there's something else.

3038
02:06:56.800 --> 02:06:59.560
There's something else, because we even missed one scene which

3039
02:06:59.600 --> 02:07:03.000
isn't a huge one, but Mason ends up getting Griffin's gun.

3040
02:07:03.119 --> 02:07:05.920
He has the spats, he has the shotgun, so he

3041
02:07:06.000 --> 02:07:08.119
actually fires on them, which is what alerts them to

3042
02:07:08.479 --> 02:07:10.479
go after him. To the water and whatnot. So he's

3043
02:07:10.479 --> 02:07:12.920
got a gun now. So Mason's back on the run

3044
02:07:13.000 --> 02:07:14.800
and he finds that he's on this cliff side. But

3045
02:07:14.800 --> 02:07:17.680
there's this giant tree that he can shoot down, which

3046
02:07:17.680 --> 02:07:19.760
he does to walk across the cliffs, but of course

3047
02:07:19.880 --> 02:07:22.199
shoots like six or seven shots, alerting.

3048
02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:24.960
Them towards the bullets too. But he knocks down this

3049
02:07:25.079 --> 02:07:28.159
log so he can go across this big canyon. Yeah,

3050
02:07:28.199 --> 02:07:30.119
but of course alerts them to where he is, and

3051
02:07:30.239 --> 02:07:32.560
also gives them because this tree is too he's not

3052
02:07:32.600 --> 02:07:34.319
gonna be able to shove it over when it gets across.

3053
02:07:34.560 --> 02:07:34.880
Yeah.

3054
02:07:35.000 --> 02:07:37.239
Yeah, it's a really cool moment. Although I don't know

3055
02:07:37.279 --> 02:07:39.800
that gun would actually be able to do that.

3056
02:07:40.159 --> 02:07:42.159
Maybe that would be the only unrealistic thing in this

3057
02:07:42.199 --> 02:07:45.760
whole thing. So shoots the tree down, climbs across it. Meanwhile,

3058
02:07:45.920 --> 02:07:47.840
the three of them catch up to it, and of

3059
02:07:47.880 --> 02:07:50.720
course rugger Hower's first to go across, and then mc

3060
02:07:50.760 --> 02:07:52.479
namara is getting ready to go, and you can see

3061
02:07:52.479 --> 02:07:54.000
that he's already kind of afraid of heights. So his

3062
02:07:54.119 --> 02:07:55.800
Fburry Abraham even pulls him back. He's like, you know,

3063
02:07:55.840 --> 02:07:57.560
you stay here. He's like, no, fuck you, I'm gonna

3064
02:07:57.560 --> 02:07:58.960
do no, fuck you dad.

3065
02:07:59.039 --> 02:08:01.439
Yeah, and then he just goes and did you notice

3066
02:08:01.720 --> 02:08:04.880
that Abraham seems proud of him. Yeah, he does. There's

3067
02:08:04.920 --> 02:08:06.359
like that moment where he looks at him like he

3068
02:08:06.359 --> 02:08:06.920
steps back.

3069
02:08:06.960 --> 02:08:09.479
Good. Yeah, good, No, that's fair. So Rugger Howard is

3070
02:08:09.520 --> 02:08:11.439
almost across and we see Mason on the other side

3071
02:08:11.479 --> 02:08:13.520
start throwing rocks at him, trying to knock him off,

3072
02:08:13.640 --> 02:08:16.880
which makes McNamara lose his balance. He slips over the

3073
02:08:16.920 --> 02:08:18.479
side of the rock while Rugger tries to take a

3074
02:08:18.479 --> 02:08:21.399
shot log of the log. Yeah, so he's like, you know, Dad,

3075
02:08:21.439 --> 02:08:24.520
help me out, I'm slipping. Murray gets across, Rugger gets across.

3076
02:08:24.520 --> 02:08:25.920
They do not get to him in time and make

3077
02:08:26.000 --> 02:08:26.840
Damara falls.

3078
02:08:26.920 --> 02:08:29.600
Rugger doesn't go to help at all. No, that's why

3079
02:08:29.840 --> 02:08:30.600
Abraham blame.

3080
02:08:30.720 --> 02:08:32.439
He takes the shot at Mason, he gets on the shoulder.

3081
02:08:32.439 --> 02:08:33.199
That's right exactly.

3082
02:08:33.279 --> 02:08:36.640
That's why that's what starts the full blown I'm blaming

3083
02:08:36.680 --> 02:08:38.239
you is that he didn't turn around to try and

3084
02:08:38.239 --> 02:08:40.079
help his son. He was like, no, I'm gonna kill

3085
02:08:40.119 --> 02:08:43.640
this guy. Yep, And and McNamara falls straight down to

3086
02:08:43.720 --> 02:08:44.920
a big pile of rocks.

3087
02:08:45.159 --> 02:08:47.319
Yeah, he's gone. He's gone yeah.

3088
02:08:47.359 --> 02:08:49.159
And then the first thing Rugger Howard does when he's

3089
02:08:49.159 --> 02:08:51.119
mad at him is he tells him like, well, we

3090
02:08:51.199 --> 02:08:53.119
have to kill him. He killed your son. Yep, he

3091
02:08:53.159 --> 02:08:55.439
did this, Like he's just he's such a manipulator.

3092
02:08:55.520 --> 02:08:57.399
Yeah, And I mean they're they're going at it, and

3093
02:08:57.439 --> 02:08:59.760
he's just like, listen to me, it's gonna be night soon.

3094
02:09:00.439 --> 02:09:02.920
All we have to do is hunker down, listen for

3095
02:09:02.960 --> 02:09:05.359
the sound act like fucking hunters.

3096
02:09:05.600 --> 02:09:08.399
Yeah, and then he and then great moment where f

3097
02:09:08.439 --> 02:09:11.279
Mary Abraham tells him like, Okay, but when this is over,

3098
02:09:11.680 --> 02:09:14.760
you and I'll set it up. And the way Rudger

3099
02:09:14.800 --> 02:09:18.319
Howard responds, he just has this like this oddly charming smirk.

3100
02:09:18.359 --> 02:09:20.039
Wray gooes, that'll be nice.

3101
02:09:20.159 --> 02:09:23.560
Yeah, And I like, I'm saying, like it's it's what

3102
02:09:23.720 --> 02:09:27.319
makes this movie. You remember it forever. I don't know

3103
02:09:27.800 --> 02:09:29.840
that I in a million years. I've I mean, I've

3104
02:09:29.880 --> 02:09:33.079
directed a couple movies. You know you can. I'm fine

3105
02:09:33.079 --> 02:09:34.439
if people to be like, yeah, but they were cheap,

3106
02:09:34.479 --> 02:09:37.239
that's totally fine. That's fair point. I've never made a

3107
02:09:37.279 --> 02:09:39.560
movie that costs millions of dollars and had a month

3108
02:09:39.600 --> 02:09:41.960
to film. Yeah, but I don't know as a performer

3109
02:09:42.079 --> 02:09:43.680
or as a director, if I ever would have thought

3110
02:09:43.680 --> 02:09:47.720
to be like just kind of have this little joyful

3111
02:09:47.760 --> 02:09:50.039
playing moment. I don't know if I would ever thought

3112
02:09:50.600 --> 02:09:52.039
of that. I think I just don't.

3113
02:09:52.319 --> 02:09:52.439
Like.

3114
02:09:52.720 --> 02:09:56.520
That's why Rudger Howard elevated anything he was in. I

3115
02:09:56.520 --> 02:09:59.800
mean even he was even good in fucking Turbulence three. Yeah,

3116
02:10:00.279 --> 02:10:03.680
he was in it very long. He was great. He's

3117
02:10:03.840 --> 02:10:07.279
just ah, yet he had it. I'm gonna tell you

3118
02:10:07.279 --> 02:10:09.640
a really short rud Gerhower story.

3119
02:10:09.680 --> 02:10:10.199
That's mine.

3120
02:10:10.680 --> 02:10:13.960
I never met Rudgarhwer, but years ago, I think I

3121
02:10:14.000 --> 02:10:16.239
was eighteen years old, I worked on a treatment for

3122
02:10:16.279 --> 02:10:19.640
a movie that was supposed to be big, and I

3123
02:10:19.760 --> 02:10:21.359
was very proud of the treatment. It was based on

3124
02:10:21.399 --> 02:10:24.520
a concept I was told I busted my ass writing

3125
02:10:24.560 --> 02:10:27.439
this really detailed treatment, and one of the main characters

3126
02:10:27.520 --> 02:10:32.640
was a priest who secretly raised like this child monster thing.

3127
02:10:33.000 --> 02:10:36.520
And when they were talking about developing it further, he

3128
02:10:36.600 --> 02:10:39.520
was like, do you have anybody in mind as the guy?

3129
02:10:39.600 --> 02:10:42.520
And I was like, rud Gerhwer like absolutely, And this

3130
02:10:42.560 --> 02:10:45.239
was when I knew that the entire project was totally fucked.

3131
02:10:46.239 --> 02:10:48.359
I said, rud Gerhauer and the guy didn't know he

3132
02:10:48.479 --> 02:10:50.560
was whatever. So he looks him up and then he goes,

3133
02:10:50.840 --> 02:10:53.760
I just don't know because I just imagined him as

3134
02:10:53.800 --> 02:10:56.399
like as like having dark hair, and I literally said,

3135
02:10:56.880 --> 02:11:01.239
if only there were a way to change a man's

3136
02:11:01.279 --> 02:11:04.920
hair color one day, science one day, and then I

3137
02:11:04.960 --> 02:11:07.079
emotionally stepped completely out of the project. Lually it went

3138
02:11:07.119 --> 02:11:08.720
nowhere anyway. Yeah, I would have made a lot of

3139
02:11:08.760 --> 02:11:11.359
money if I'd gotten to the well, I forget, I forget.

3140
02:11:11.399 --> 02:11:12.680
It was some of those ridiculous things where it was

3141
02:11:12.720 --> 02:11:14.800
like if it went to screenplay, I got five percent, Yeah,

3142
02:11:14.800 --> 02:11:16.960
which would have been stupid if it had happened. But

3143
02:11:17.000 --> 02:11:20.159
it did, never did. But but that was I literally

3144
02:11:20.199 --> 02:11:23.359
was like, Rudgor Howard be perfect blonde? Was the problem anyway?

3145
02:11:23.399 --> 02:11:25.560
Please? So we are now at the climax of the film.

3146
02:11:25.640 --> 02:11:29.319
So they are now in this little collection of branches

3147
02:11:29.359 --> 02:11:31.039
all around. I mean it basically looks like the end

3148
02:11:31.039 --> 02:11:32.399
of Predator in my opinion.

3149
02:11:32.159 --> 02:11:36.159
Yeah, oh totally so. But which is I think on purpose.

3150
02:11:35.880 --> 02:11:39.520
Not intentional, not necessarily to rip off predators, but because

3151
02:11:39.920 --> 02:11:44.000
standoff and they are predators, yes, they are hunting. Yeah,

3152
02:11:44.159 --> 02:11:47.800
So we are now just inside of this little little enclosure,

3153
02:11:47.880 --> 02:11:51.239
and we see that Wolf is losing it basically because

3154
02:11:51.239 --> 02:11:53.680
he keeps hearing these twig stapping. He's calling out to Mason.

3155
02:11:53.720 --> 02:11:55.600
He's like, I don't have a gun. Bang bang bang

3156
02:11:55.640 --> 02:11:56.279
bang bangs.

3157
02:11:56.319 --> 02:11:58.119
The message says, I don't even have a gun, Mason.

3158
02:11:58.119 --> 02:11:59.760
And then the moment hears us how he starts shooting

3159
02:11:59.800 --> 02:12:01.279
his gun and I was like, I love that. He's

3160
02:12:01.319 --> 02:12:03.359
not even a good liar anymore. So he ends up

3161
02:12:03.359 --> 02:12:06.159
getting circled by Mason. Mason charges him, they get into

3162
02:12:06.159 --> 02:12:08.319
a huge fight. It's a great reveal that he says,

3163
02:12:08.359 --> 02:12:11.840
just face me, Mason, and then Mason's right there. And

3164
02:12:12.079 --> 02:12:15.079
because it's dark and I and we've mentioned this before,

3165
02:12:15.119 --> 02:12:16.600
but like I don't know if you mentioned on the show,

3166
02:12:16.600 --> 02:12:21.239
but like on the VHS you couldn't see anything so dark,

3167
02:12:21.560 --> 02:12:23.960
and on the DVD barely you could kind of on

3168
02:12:24.039 --> 02:12:26.039
this blu ray, you see it. I really want this

3169
02:12:26.079 --> 02:12:26.840
to have an HDR.

3170
02:12:27.000 --> 02:12:29.319
Well, it's just like that the shot that you and

3171
02:12:29.359 --> 02:12:30.920
I both are thinking of. I think when we think

3172
02:12:30.960 --> 02:12:33.600
about this is rugger. Howard is hiding in this log

3173
02:12:33.800 --> 02:12:35.640
watching all this happen, and the only thing you can

3174
02:12:35.680 --> 02:12:38.079
see are his eyes. You couldn't see that before.

3175
02:12:38.079 --> 02:12:40.760
But it's the same thing with Mason. Mason has put

3176
02:12:40.880 --> 02:12:44.199
black goop all over his face. So when he's there

3177
02:12:44.239 --> 02:12:47.760
and he's baring his teeth, he's an animal. That's kind

3178
02:12:47.800 --> 02:12:50.479
of my point is like they're two different animals. Mason

3179
02:12:50.720 --> 02:12:54.920
is the actual apex predator showing his teeth, and then

3180
02:12:54.920 --> 02:12:59.079
we just see eyes peering out from the brush because

3181
02:12:59.079 --> 02:12:59.439
he's a.

3182
02:12:59.399 --> 02:13:03.239
Different and that's actually the blue right too. Yeah, which

3183
02:13:03.239 --> 02:13:05.920
the original post looks really weird. I wish it was

3184
02:13:05.960 --> 02:13:08.520
cooler looking. I liked I like the simple ones of

3185
02:13:08.560 --> 02:13:11.760
like just iced tea running with the target, the target

3186
02:13:11.760 --> 02:13:12.039
on him.

3187
02:13:12.159 --> 02:13:14.359
I think that's and that wasn't the best poster in

3188
02:13:14.359 --> 02:13:17.840
the world, but because the other were like, we gotta

3189
02:13:17.840 --> 02:13:19.159
put Bucy on this cover.

3190
02:13:19.760 --> 02:13:23.399
So so yeah, he ends up defeating uh Fburry Abraham

3191
02:13:23.600 --> 02:13:27.079
and that's when he goes after Burns. Burns is now

3192
02:13:27.199 --> 02:13:29.319
riding off towards the airspace, trying to get to a

3193
02:13:29.319 --> 02:13:31.800
plane coming up. Sun's coming up, so Mason gets out

3194
02:13:31.840 --> 02:13:34.279
of the brush. He sees the planes getting ready to leave,

3195
02:13:34.600 --> 02:13:36.359
goes up to it, and we also see a shot

3196
02:13:36.359 --> 02:13:38.199
of Burns in the plane. So we get faked out

3197
02:13:38.199 --> 02:13:40.600
along with Mason because as he approaches, he sees no

3198
02:13:40.680 --> 02:13:43.319
one's inside. But he also sees that this is all

3199
02:13:43.359 --> 02:13:47.399
obviously a trap because explode. Yeah, because rugger Hower immediately

3200
02:13:47.439 --> 02:13:50.119
just starts firing shots into the fuel tank. The plane

3201
02:13:50.159 --> 02:13:52.720
blows up, and he thinks he's got Mason, and Mason's dead,

3202
02:13:52.720 --> 02:13:56.039
and he even says, father, please forgive me, Please forgive me.

3203
02:13:56.039 --> 02:13:58.039
And then these and I don't know how you do that

3204
02:13:58.079 --> 02:14:00.680
effect because they did this effect in Sinners, but they

3205
02:14:00.720 --> 02:14:02.880
made it so his eyes are shining red.

3206
02:14:03.079 --> 02:14:04.760
He's got like a red nest, you though.

3207
02:14:04.680 --> 02:14:08.319
And that's a predator symbol. Predator animals. That's like the

3208
02:14:08.319 --> 02:14:09.520
one thing that can give them the way. And you

3209
02:14:09.560 --> 02:14:11.359
know why their I like why dogs eyes and stuff

3210
02:14:11.359 --> 02:14:13.800
glow like that, right? Why it's they're seeing better in

3211
02:14:13.800 --> 02:14:16.520
the dark that we do. It's that's what my understanding is.

3212
02:14:16.520 --> 02:14:19.319
I'm not an expert animal cats and dogs both will

3213
02:14:19.319 --> 02:14:20.880
do that. You know, you'll be like, WHOA, I can

3214
02:14:20.960 --> 02:14:22.159
kind of see a glow in your eye.

3215
02:14:22.600 --> 02:14:25.199
So burns flies out and we think that, you know,

3216
02:14:25.239 --> 02:14:28.119
Mason's possibly dead, except he rises from the ashes and

3217
02:14:28.279 --> 02:14:29.960
he looks out and watches him fly away.

3218
02:14:30.479 --> 02:14:33.239
Yeah, and it's and it's epic, it's super built up.

3219
02:14:33.520 --> 02:14:36.199
He stands up from the dirt and you realize that

3220
02:14:36.239 --> 02:14:39.720
he just barely survived. And the best part is we

3221
02:14:39.760 --> 02:14:41.920
don't even see this, but now he has to survive

3222
02:14:42.039 --> 02:14:42.960
escaping the canyon.

3223
02:14:43.079 --> 02:14:45.560
That's yeah, that is one thing that I do have

3224
02:14:45.640 --> 02:14:47.239
issue with. I wish we could see how he got back,

3225
02:14:47.239 --> 02:14:48.800
even though we kind of do get a hint.

3226
02:14:49.359 --> 02:14:52.760
But I don't think we need to because we've established

3227
02:14:53.239 --> 02:14:55.680
that this motherfucker has a will to live.

3228
02:14:55.720 --> 02:14:57.159
He's gonna do it. And this is.

3229
02:14:57.159 --> 02:14:59.840
Something that I love about this movie, and that I

3230
02:15:00.199 --> 02:15:04.279
about when a like survival kind of movie is done

3231
02:15:04.279 --> 02:15:08.159
really well, which is I love stories about how a

3232
02:15:08.199 --> 02:15:12.279
person's will to live can be so far beyond what

3233
02:15:12.399 --> 02:15:15.279
anyone could imagine. Yeah, like The Revenant, Yeah, that's a

3234
02:15:15.279 --> 02:15:17.399
really good example. He just keeps living. And that was

3235
02:15:17.439 --> 02:15:18.520
based on a true story.

3236
02:15:18.640 --> 02:15:19.560
Yes, he just keeps living.

3237
02:15:19.640 --> 02:15:23.399
Or like Gravity with Sandra Bullock, she just keeps living.

3238
02:15:24.359 --> 02:15:27.520
It's so good, so good. So now we are back

3239
02:15:27.520 --> 02:15:29.720
in Seattle. It's a few days later. We see that

3240
02:15:29.800 --> 02:15:32.159
Rugger Howard is changing his appearance to look like a priest.

3241
02:15:32.239 --> 02:15:35.319
He's dyeing his hair black. Imagine, imagine, how did they

3242
02:15:35.319 --> 02:15:37.680
get the technology? It was only nineteen ninety four, David,

3243
02:15:37.760 --> 02:15:39.439
how did you make his hair and up blonde?

3244
02:15:39.520 --> 02:15:42.399
I want to know. He's got various military uniforms laid out,

3245
02:15:42.479 --> 02:15:44.960
various passports, which you gave me the impression that it

3246
02:15:45.000 --> 02:15:46.760
was probably him and DNT we're gonna fly out together. Well,

3247
02:15:46.760 --> 02:15:49.760
and they both and there were two Army ranger uniforms yep,

3248
02:15:50.039 --> 02:15:53.520
which suggests that that's how they met. What I also

3249
02:15:53.560 --> 02:15:55.720
love is he's listening to his messages before he leaves,

3250
02:15:55.880 --> 02:15:58.479
and Wolfe's wife calls and she's just.

3251
02:15:58.399 --> 02:16:01.359
Like, hey, my husband and my on never return. It's

3252
02:16:01.399 --> 02:16:03.560
been three days or four days or whatever since they

3253
02:16:03.560 --> 02:16:06.319
were supposed to return. I'd really appreciate it.

3254
02:16:06.359 --> 02:16:08.760
Call back. So he puts on this fake mustache. He's

3255
02:16:08.760 --> 02:16:10.880
got this priest out that on, and he is walking

3256
02:16:10.880 --> 02:16:11.600
out to his car.

3257
02:16:11.840 --> 02:16:15.840
He's dressed like a an Orthodox priest. Yes, he's got

3258
02:16:15.840 --> 02:16:18.439
a hat, which is smart because that changes his appearance

3259
02:16:18.479 --> 02:16:19.920
the most. So he has his hair cued in a

3260
02:16:20.079 --> 02:16:22.520
in a in a braid. It's all black. He's dyed

3261
02:16:22.600 --> 02:16:25.840
his eyebrows and his facial hair, and he and he

3262
02:16:25.880 --> 02:16:28.039
goes to this car. It like beat up car that

3263
02:16:28.039 --> 02:16:32.280
I'm guessing he'd stashed had for an emergency inside. Yeah,

3264
02:16:32.319 --> 02:16:34.879
it's really bad and it won't start like it does

3265
02:16:35.000 --> 02:16:37.680
it clicks, it doesn't even it doesn't even remember at all.

3266
02:16:37.719 --> 02:16:39.479
So he decides he's going to get out and go

3267
02:16:39.559 --> 02:16:41.920
do the next location he's gonna go.

3268
02:16:42.000 --> 02:16:44.799
I'm assuming because it's in Seattle, that he's heading to Canada.

3269
02:16:44.879 --> 02:16:46.440
And I had mentioned to you, because I'm old enough

3270
02:16:46.440 --> 02:16:48.600
to remember, you could go to Canada with just a

3271
02:16:48.680 --> 02:16:50.559
driver's license back that if you were in a car,

3272
02:16:51.680 --> 02:16:54.159
because I the first time I went to Canada it was,

3273
02:16:54.200 --> 02:16:57.440
if I'm remember correctly, it was one year before the

3274
02:16:57.520 --> 02:17:01.040
instituted passport at the border on car five car man,

3275
02:17:01.040 --> 02:17:02.479
because it used to be you could go there with

3276
02:17:02.520 --> 02:17:04.239
just a driver's license. You just had to have a

3277
02:17:04.319 --> 02:17:06.840
state I d yeah, And I remember going up there

3278
02:17:06.840 --> 02:17:08.959
and it being so in hindsight, because I've crossed the

3279
02:17:08.959 --> 02:17:11.479
border many times since. In hindsight, I'm just like, man,

3280
02:17:11.840 --> 02:17:13.840
they just took my They just took me, and my

3281
02:17:13.879 --> 02:17:17.079
friend's IDs looked at him, asked us like fifteen questions

3282
02:17:17.520 --> 02:17:19.200
and then said, all right, all right, you know I

3283
02:17:19.360 --> 02:17:22.360
got in Canada. Ye, so I assume he was probably

3284
02:17:22.879 --> 02:17:26.840
making his way to either an airport or a bus. Yeah,

3285
02:17:27.360 --> 02:17:30.399
and and yeah, it's it's it's so great seeing how

3286
02:17:30.440 --> 02:17:33.120
he had like a complete plan of escape he did.

3287
02:17:33.159 --> 02:17:35.600
But also again it feeds into that thing. He had

3288
02:17:35.600 --> 02:17:38.280
a complete plan of escape for him and Coal and

3289
02:17:37.959 --> 02:17:42.879
Cold even referenced briefly that he had a wife and daughters. Yeah,

3290
02:17:43.120 --> 02:17:46.479
so they were both totally ready to bug out, and they.

3291
02:17:46.360 --> 02:17:49.000
Were ready to go together. So by this point he's walking,

3292
02:17:49.000 --> 02:17:51.000
he runs into a woman and he's and she's like,

3293
02:17:51.040 --> 02:17:53.760
you know, and he's blessed you, and she's like, do

3294
02:17:53.760 --> 02:17:54.959
you have anything to spare it out of my way?

3295
02:17:55.079 --> 02:17:58.040
Well, I'm homeless, ye, out of my way. Yeah, And

3296
02:17:58.120 --> 02:17:59.879
it's a great it's a great moment to show like

3297
02:18:00.040 --> 02:18:03.159
he's still a jerk. He's that that just is him.

3298
02:18:03.280 --> 02:18:07.680
Yeah. So he immediately sees a motorcycle off to the side.

3299
02:18:07.360 --> 02:18:09.159
And it's the dirt bike he had been driving. So

3300
02:18:09.239 --> 02:18:10.719
now he knows that Mason.

3301
02:18:10.479 --> 02:18:14.079
Mason is near, so he starts hearing Mason's voice. He

3302
02:18:14.120 --> 02:18:16.120
goes around a corner, pulls out his little rifle, that

3303
02:18:16.159 --> 02:18:17.280
he's had the entire film.

3304
02:18:17.319 --> 02:18:19.959
It was in this case that was pretty sure. It

3305
02:18:20.040 --> 02:18:21.639
was like a flute case. It was like an oboe

3306
02:18:21.719 --> 02:18:23.159
case or something musical instrument case.

3307
02:18:23.239 --> 02:18:26.040
Yeah. So Mason ends ambushing him Dave into a fight.

3308
02:18:26.120 --> 02:18:27.719
There's a whole thing that happens where he gets thrown

3309
02:18:27.719 --> 02:18:29.840
into an electrical panel. At one point, Mason gets the

3310
02:18:29.879 --> 02:18:31.920
gun and ruggers like, you know, shoot me.

3311
02:18:32.479 --> 02:18:36.159
And during this fight, Rugger is talking like it's person

3312
02:18:36.280 --> 02:18:37.760
Oh yeah for the first time.

3313
02:18:37.840 --> 02:18:41.040
Oh yeah, He's just like no Mercyson's like.

3314
02:18:41.319 --> 02:18:44.440
Freaking out of his gore y and Mason totally gets

3315
02:18:44.479 --> 02:18:46.959
the better room, gets the gun, has it to his face,

3316
02:18:47.280 --> 02:18:52.319
and again he's trying to manipulate. Yeah, he's like do it,

3317
02:18:52.440 --> 02:18:52.719
do it?

3318
02:18:52.799 --> 02:18:53.360
He does this thing.

3319
02:18:53.440 --> 02:18:55.239
It's like a it's like a director. Yeah, he just

3320
02:18:55.319 --> 02:18:57.559
like he has this moment he's like do it.

3321
02:18:57.680 --> 02:18:58.000
Do it.

3322
02:18:58.079 --> 02:19:01.120
He like gives him a cue. Yeah, now end the game.

3323
02:19:01.799 --> 02:19:04.399
And so he doesn't do it. He walks off a

3324
02:19:04.440 --> 02:19:06.239
little bit with the gun still in his hand, unloads it,

3325
02:19:06.239 --> 02:19:08.559
empties the chamber, takes the clip out, even throws it,

3326
02:19:08.920 --> 02:19:11.600
and then that's when Rugger scurries to the gun grabs

3327
02:19:11.639 --> 02:19:13.200
the one bullet on the ground.

3328
02:19:12.879 --> 02:19:14.879
The one that popped out of the chamber, gets the.

3329
02:19:14.799 --> 02:19:17.120
Gun, goes around the corner and he's like, hey, Mason,

3330
02:19:17.280 --> 02:19:19.559
And that's when you hear Mason go hey, Burns, something

3331
02:19:19.600 --> 02:19:21.520
you should always do? And he don't, you know what

3332
02:19:21.520 --> 02:19:23.120
you should always do when you find a gun? And

3333
02:19:23.159 --> 02:19:25.159
he goes say cheese, that's what I love. He goes,

3334
02:19:25.159 --> 02:19:27.840
sage cheese, cheese because he's looking through the scope. Yeah,

3335
02:19:27.879 --> 02:19:31.520
and he goes, always check the barrel and we zoom inside.

3336
02:19:31.639 --> 02:19:35.360
Well, it explodes first, and then he says, always checked

3337
02:19:35.360 --> 02:19:37.600
the barrel. What did he put in the barrel? Because

3338
02:19:37.600 --> 02:19:39.760
I feel like he just he just just trash. Okay,

3339
02:19:39.799 --> 02:19:43.200
well it was it was firearm stuff. Okay, I don't

3340
02:19:44.239 --> 02:19:46.520
I'm guessing that he just stuffed because he doesn't so

3341
02:19:46.680 --> 02:19:50.040
quick obviously when he pops the barrel, I had, for

3342
02:19:50.079 --> 02:19:50.680
some reason.

3343
02:19:50.559 --> 02:19:52.319
I had memory that the business card was in there.

3344
02:19:52.959 --> 02:19:54.280
It could have been there was like there was like

3345
02:19:54.319 --> 02:19:55.719
text on there, but it looked like it was like

3346
02:19:55.799 --> 02:19:58.600
firearm related. I'm not sure exactly what.

3347
02:19:58.680 --> 02:20:01.559
Yeah, the gun explodes, the credits come up, and that

3348
02:20:01.719 --> 02:20:04.760
is nineteen ninety four's Surviving.

3349
02:20:04.239 --> 02:20:06.360
The Game the most nineties part of the ending is

3350
02:20:06.399 --> 02:20:08.319
he says, always check the barrel, and then there's a

3351
02:20:08.360 --> 02:20:10.239
guitar course one.

3352
02:20:10.239 --> 02:20:12.079
I also love it because he throws away the cigarettes.

3353
02:20:12.120 --> 02:20:13.840
He throws away everything from the hunt.

3354
02:20:14.040 --> 02:20:16.399
Yeah, he just doesn't want well, but getting rid of

3355
02:20:16.399 --> 02:20:19.799
the cigarettes I think was a symbol not only of

3356
02:20:19.879 --> 02:20:22.440
his rejection of them, but maybe his rejection of not

3357
02:20:22.639 --> 02:20:26.440
valuing life anymore. That could be it, yes, because that's

3358
02:20:26.559 --> 02:20:29.200
really like I said, this is all about the idea

3359
02:20:29.239 --> 02:20:31.159
that there was a man with nothing to lose yep,

3360
02:20:31.600 --> 02:20:34.399
who had no will to live anymore, and he didn't

3361
02:20:34.440 --> 02:20:38.040
realize that in reality he had so much more to

3362
02:20:38.239 --> 02:20:40.639
him than even they imagine. They thought he would be

3363
02:20:40.760 --> 02:20:44.760
a just a really spelt turkey that could run quickly yep,

3364
02:20:44.959 --> 02:20:46.840
and he was way beier.

3365
02:20:47.239 --> 02:20:48.959
Yeah yeah, yeah, So what do you want to guess?

3366
02:20:49.000 --> 02:20:54.040
The budget was like eight seven million, four hundred thousand

3367
02:20:54.639 --> 02:20:57.639
opening weekend. It takes in two million, nine hundred thousand dollars,

3368
02:20:57.680 --> 02:21:00.840
which is April seventeenth of nineteen ninety four, gross worldwide

3369
02:21:00.920 --> 02:21:03.399
seven million, seven hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars. So

3370
02:21:03.399 --> 02:21:05.239
it didn't do great, didn't do great, but again had

3371
02:21:05.239 --> 02:21:07.399
already made its money before it even shot. Sure Sure

3372
02:21:07.559 --> 02:21:11.600
a shot in Wnachie, Washington, as well as Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

3373
02:21:11.840 --> 02:21:12.799
forty day shoot.

3374
02:21:13.319 --> 02:21:15.959
I don't believe they actually ever filmed in Philadelphia. I

3375
02:21:15.959 --> 02:21:18.200
think that that got one shot. I think, well, well,

3376
02:21:18.200 --> 02:21:20.440
there's the establishing shot of Seattle. For some reason, they

3377
02:21:20.479 --> 02:21:23.840
use a very obvious shot of Philadelphia. I think that's

3378
02:21:23.879 --> 02:21:26.840
I think that's where they shot some in Philadelpia. I

3379
02:21:26.840 --> 02:21:28.920
think it really was just that establishing shot, which I'm

3380
02:21:28.920 --> 02:21:31.440
guessing was just something they had laying around in the

3381
02:21:31.559 --> 02:21:32.319
edit bay or something.

3382
02:21:32.600 --> 02:21:34.680
Ernist Dickerson was working with new Line when he found

3383
02:21:34.719 --> 02:21:37.040
the screenplay for Surviving the Game. Having been a fan

3384
02:21:37.079 --> 02:21:39.479
of Most Dangerous Game short story and the nineteen thirty

3385
02:21:39.479 --> 02:21:41.840
four film of the same name, he instantly pictured an

3386
02:21:41.879 --> 02:21:45.120
African lead for the film, originally suggesting Laurence Fishburne, who

3387
02:21:45.120 --> 02:21:47.280
had just made waves of his performance in Deep Cover

3388
02:21:47.520 --> 02:21:50.959
two years prior. New Line unfortunately blamed Fishburne for the

3389
02:21:50.959 --> 02:21:53.799
failure of Deep Cover and passed on the suggestion. Having

3390
02:21:53.840 --> 02:21:56.879
recently seen Trespass and been wild with Iced Tea's performance,

3391
02:21:56.959 --> 02:21:59.399
Dickerson suggested ic t to new Line, who agreed to

3392
02:21:59.399 --> 02:22:00.079
offer him at.

3393
02:22:00.600 --> 02:22:02.799
Well, and I'm sure Dickerson had to be familiar with

3394
02:22:02.840 --> 02:22:05.000
Ice even though Ice was and you know, Ice was

3395
02:22:05.000 --> 02:22:07.079
also a Jersey He was from Jersey although he grew

3396
02:22:07.120 --> 02:22:09.559
up in La Yeah, and he was a West Coast guy.

3397
02:22:09.719 --> 02:22:13.280
One thousand percent. There's no way with how plugged into

3398
02:22:13.840 --> 02:22:16.200
that world Ernest Dickerson was, because you got to remember it, like,

3399
02:22:16.239 --> 02:22:18.040
he didn't just do Spike Lee movies and stuff. I

3400
02:22:18.079 --> 02:22:21.600
mean he made Juice with Tupac and he shot Crush.

3401
02:22:21.399 --> 02:22:25.360
Groove, Yeah, which was fat Boys. Oh you can eat.

3402
02:22:26.399 --> 02:22:29.040
Dickerson recalled on the commentary that he had taken Ice

3403
02:22:29.399 --> 02:22:31.799
to He had taken Iced Tea and Jeff Corey, who

3404
02:22:31.840 --> 02:22:34.479
played Hank in the film, to dinner early in production stages.

3405
02:22:34.799 --> 02:22:36.799
Ice Tea was under scrutiny at the time due to

3406
02:22:36.840 --> 02:22:39.399
his band body Count, having stirred controversy with their song

3407
02:22:39.440 --> 02:22:42.319
cop Killer. Due to cop Killer, Dickerson commented that the

3408
02:22:42.360 --> 02:22:45.280
production had to hire private security as local law enforcement

3409
02:22:45.360 --> 02:22:47.559
was not interested in helping them since Ice was involved

3410
02:22:47.559 --> 02:22:48.159
with the project.

3411
02:22:48.520 --> 02:22:51.479
Yeah, I mean it was. That was a controversial move.

3412
02:22:51.600 --> 02:22:54.200
Yeah. At the dinner, Corey and Ice hit iceed t

3413
02:22:54.360 --> 02:22:56.760
Hit off a conversation easy, as Corey was a former

3414
02:22:56.799 --> 02:22:59.440
actor who'd been involved in the Red Scare, and, like Ice,

3415
02:22:59.479 --> 02:23:01.719
had been black listed from Hollywood as a result of

3416
02:23:01.760 --> 02:23:03.159
not providing any names.

3417
02:23:03.680 --> 02:23:06.280
No way, Yeah, that's fascinating.

3418
02:23:06.399 --> 02:23:08.879
Yeah. A meeting had been set up with Dickerson and

3419
02:23:08.959 --> 02:23:11.520
Rugger Howard to go over the project. Dickerson had been

3420
02:23:11.559 --> 02:23:14.120
warned that Howard could be an very intense guy and

3421
02:23:14.159 --> 02:23:16.840
to be careful with him. His anxiousness soon went away

3422
02:23:16.840 --> 02:23:18.680
within the first few minutes of the meeting, and the

3423
02:23:18.719 --> 02:23:21.079
meeting ended up lasting over four hours, where at the

3424
02:23:21.200 --> 02:23:24.399
end Rugger agreed to join the film. Damn yeah.

3425
02:23:24.479 --> 02:23:27.000
I mean, I can't imagine Rugger Howard read that script

3426
02:23:27.000 --> 02:23:27.639
and not want to do it.

3427
02:23:27.680 --> 02:23:30.360
Oh yeah. According to Dickerson, Bob Shay and his production

3428
02:23:30.440 --> 02:23:33.159
partner Robert Perma had become bitter enemies by the time

3429
02:23:33.200 --> 02:23:35.280
production rolled around on the film, as the movie had

3430
02:23:35.319 --> 02:23:38.280
already been pre sold overseas due to the cast. New

3431
02:23:38.360 --> 02:23:40.280
Line saw it as they had already made their money

3432
02:23:40.280 --> 02:23:42.600
back before the film had been shot, and therefore offered

3433
02:23:42.719 --> 02:23:46.159
very little assistance or extra money on the production. Dickerson

3434
02:23:46.159 --> 02:23:48.360
attributes the experience to why the film turned out to

3435
02:23:48.360 --> 02:23:50.360
be fifty percent of the film he wanted to make,

3436
02:23:50.600 --> 02:23:52.440
but in the end, he is ultimately happy with the

3437
02:23:52.440 --> 02:23:55.120
performances in the film more than anything. Also, why the

3438
02:23:55.120 --> 02:23:57.399
film did not have a marketing campaign.

3439
02:23:57.319 --> 02:24:00.399
I believe that, and I do believe that the movie

3440
02:24:00.440 --> 02:24:03.079
is a bit uneven. Yeah, once you get about an

3441
02:24:03.079 --> 02:24:05.760
hour in, it definitely feels truncated.

3442
02:24:05.879 --> 02:24:08.520
Yeah, very much. While Stuart Copeland, a former member of

3443
02:24:08.520 --> 02:24:11.000
the band The Police, provided the incredible score for the film,

3444
02:24:11.079 --> 02:24:14.799
Dickerson's original choice was musician Ry Cooter, whom Dickerson had

3445
02:24:14.840 --> 02:24:16.719
shown a rough edit of the film too without the

3446
02:24:16.719 --> 02:24:19.360
score and enjoyed it. However, New Line did not want

3447
02:24:19.399 --> 02:24:21.479
to pay his asking price, and Dickerson then moved on

3448
02:24:21.520 --> 02:24:24.399
to offer the job to Copeland, who accepted. I.

3449
02:24:24.479 --> 02:24:27.479
Yeah, I it definitely seemed that way to me, Like

3450
02:24:27.520 --> 02:24:28.879
they were just kind of like, we have this little

3451
02:24:28.879 --> 02:24:31.280
action thing and we don't have to really worry about

3452
02:24:31.319 --> 02:24:34.239
it too much. And politics always plays a big part

3453
02:24:34.319 --> 02:24:36.479
in those big studio things. New Line was the biggest

3454
02:24:36.520 --> 02:24:37.719
little studio in the world.

3455
02:24:37.879 --> 02:24:38.159
Yeah.

3456
02:24:38.159 --> 02:24:40.959
And Bob Shea was Bob Shay in his great moments,

3457
02:24:41.000 --> 02:24:42.319
and he has rough moments.

3458
02:24:41.920 --> 02:24:44.159
Copeland had done the music for Wall Street as well

3459
02:24:44.200 --> 02:24:45.840
as Rumblefish at this point too. Yeah.

3460
02:24:45.879 --> 02:24:48.239
I mean, if he wasn't nobody for it. Yeah.

3461
02:24:48.239 --> 02:24:49.920
When it came to the design of the Hunter's cabin

3462
02:24:49.959 --> 02:24:52.200
in the Woods, Dickerson gave only one direction to his

3463
02:24:52.280 --> 02:24:54.920
set designer. Everything in the cabin must be made of

3464
02:24:54.920 --> 02:24:56.159
something that was once alive.

3465
02:24:56.799 --> 02:25:01.520
God, that's so smart. It would it the decorator. Oh yeah, yeah,

3466
02:25:01.520 --> 02:25:02.319
that's so smart.

3467
02:25:02.639 --> 02:25:04.719
When ic T discovers the heads of the previous humans

3468
02:25:04.760 --> 02:25:07.600
hunting for Sport, one of the name plates reads s Pollard.

3469
02:25:07.639 --> 02:25:09.440
This was done as a nod to the film's editor,

3470
02:25:09.520 --> 02:25:12.120
Sam Pollard, who is no relation to the film critic

3471
02:25:12.200 --> 02:25:16.799
Ryan Pollard. No sets or sound stages were used. The

3472
02:25:17.000 --> 02:25:19.000
entire movie was shot in real locations.

3473
02:25:19.840 --> 02:25:21.920
That surprises me. Yeah a lot.

3474
02:25:22.079 --> 02:25:24.159
The landing strip in the cabin see in the movie

3475
02:25:24.680 --> 02:25:27.799
are at Lake Weinachi State Airport, Washington, which is very

3476
02:25:27.799 --> 02:25:30.319
close to civilization. The cabin has since been torn down

3477
02:25:30.360 --> 02:25:33.040
and replaced with larger buildings a few yards of the southeast.

3478
02:25:33.159 --> 02:25:38.120
Almost all of the city scenes were filmed in downtown Wnachi, Washington.

3479
02:25:38.200 --> 02:25:39.840
Most of the scenes were filmed in the two block

3480
02:25:39.840 --> 02:25:44.399
perimeter of Mission Ornando, Palehouse, and Columbia Streets, plus the

3481
02:25:44.399 --> 02:25:46.959
alley behind Liberty Theater off to the Mission Street. The

3482
02:25:47.000 --> 02:25:50.360
area includes the infamous Bruce Hotel, which became Bruce Transitional

3483
02:25:50.360 --> 02:25:52.319
Housing for the homeless in the early two thousands.

3484
02:25:52.399 --> 02:25:54.799
Yeah, I've heard a lot of stories. When I used

3485
02:25:54.840 --> 02:25:57.399
to read IMDb message boards about surviving the game, people

3486
02:25:57.440 --> 02:25:59.159
used to talk a lot about like, I can't believe

3487
02:25:59.200 --> 02:26:01.079
I'm from Winachi. One day, I'm just watching this movie

3488
02:26:01.079 --> 02:26:04.719
on cable and there's the Bruce, the legendary flophouse, the

3489
02:26:04.719 --> 02:26:05.559
Bruce Hotel.

3490
02:26:06.000 --> 02:26:08.360
It was Rugger Howard's idea that Thomas Burns rides a

3491
02:26:08.399 --> 02:26:11.799
Kawasaki twin cylinder six to fifty motorcycle. Howard owned one

3492
02:26:11.840 --> 02:26:13.479
of these bikes and felt that by riding one in

3493
02:26:13.520 --> 02:26:15.559
the movie, his character would stand out as a leader

3494
02:26:15.559 --> 02:26:17.719
of the hunting pack. He also claimed that the bike

3495
02:26:17.799 --> 02:26:20.120
had the appearance of an iron horse, giving Thomas Burns

3496
02:26:20.159 --> 02:26:21.159
the look of a warrior knight.

3497
02:26:21.479 --> 02:26:24.040
I do always remember it stuck out that he was

3498
02:26:24.040 --> 02:26:26.000
on a bike and everybody else we on AGTVS.

3499
02:26:26.079 --> 02:26:26.719
Yeah.

3500
02:26:26.760 --> 02:26:29.319
When Gary Busey arrived on set, he questioned his character

3501
02:26:29.360 --> 02:26:31.639
with Dickerson, wondering how he was supposed to play him

3502
02:26:31.719 --> 02:26:34.600
up as a comedic or serious. Busey was enthused to

3503
02:26:34.639 --> 02:26:36.879
learn that Hawkins had been based on an article Dickerson

3504
02:26:36.920 --> 02:26:38.959
had read about a white supremacist who'd had a dog

3505
02:26:39.000 --> 02:26:41.079
that had been missing for two weeks, only to discover

3506
02:26:41.159 --> 02:26:42.840
his father had locked the dog in a shed and

3507
02:26:42.879 --> 02:26:44.760
told his son one day that he was to enter

3508
02:26:44.799 --> 02:26:46.479
the shed and fight the dog to see who would

3509
02:26:46.479 --> 02:26:48.440
emerge from the shed one or the other. It was

3510
02:26:48.479 --> 02:26:50.399
price starving the dog to make it vicious.

3511
02:26:50.520 --> 02:26:53.319
Upon hearing this, Dickerson recalls, Busey did a little excited

3512
02:26:53.360 --> 02:26:56.040
dance around the set, coming back to Dickerson stating, Ernest,

3513
02:26:56.079 --> 02:26:57.360
you really watered my garden.

3514
02:26:57.840 --> 02:27:00.399
That that's such a beausy thing to hear, Yeah, that

3515
02:27:00.479 --> 02:27:01.520
sounds like beaucy.

3516
02:27:01.799 --> 02:27:04.959
F Murray Abraham suffered a serious accident while leaving set

3517
02:27:04.959 --> 02:27:06.719
one night. The cabin was an hour away from the

3518
02:27:06.719 --> 02:27:09.280
hotel where the cast and crew were staying. Murray decided

3519
02:27:09.319 --> 02:27:11.280
to drive himself and ended up in a bad car

3520
02:27:11.319 --> 02:27:13.760
accident when a driver ran a stop sign an intersection,

3521
02:27:13.879 --> 02:27:16.879
smashing into his car, causing Murray to fracture his risk

3522
02:27:17.040 --> 02:27:20.360
break three ribs, along with facial lacerations. This caused the

3523
02:27:20.360 --> 02:27:22.600
production to need to shoot around Murray's injuries, which is

3524
02:27:22.600 --> 02:27:25.399
why his character is seen wearing gloves and goggles predominantly

3525
02:27:25.440 --> 02:27:27.879
the second half of the film. Oh man, that makes

3526
02:27:27.920 --> 02:27:30.319
so much sense. Murray's agent told him to quit the production,

3527
02:27:30.399 --> 02:27:32.879
but Murray pushed through, often being on drugs to deal

3528
02:27:32.920 --> 02:27:34.959
with the pain. There's actually one incident too where the

3529
02:27:35.079 --> 02:27:37.079
walk in the river, he actually fell and the bone

3530
02:27:37.079 --> 02:27:42.040
came out of his hand. Oh my god. Ah. While

3531
02:27:42.079 --> 02:27:44.559
shooting in the mountains offered great shots on location and

3532
02:27:44.639 --> 02:27:47.799
also limited operational hours for daylight, which quickly started putting

3533
02:27:47.840 --> 02:27:51.239
the production behind. Dickerson recalls they began ripping pages out

3534
02:27:51.239 --> 02:27:53.680
of the screenplay and increased the speed for shooting, limiting

3535
02:27:53.680 --> 02:27:55.479
the number of takes that they could do on scenes.

3536
02:27:55.840 --> 02:27:58.840
This led to a large portion invasions backstory being cut out,

3537
02:27:58.879 --> 02:28:01.079
linking his street smarts to his survival in the woods

3538
02:28:01.079 --> 02:28:03.360
to beat the hunters. Also why there is only one

3539
02:28:03.360 --> 02:28:06.360
take of Bucy's death scene. Despite Ucy offering to pay

3540
02:28:06.399 --> 02:28:09.120
out a pocket for another take, Dickerson had to decline

3541
02:28:09.200 --> 02:28:11.920
to the decline the offer for fear of production being

3542
02:28:11.920 --> 02:28:15.600
shut down. Yeah, yeah, that could cause trouble. Yeah. One day,

3543
02:28:15.639 --> 02:28:18.200
while working with the Dolly Track Entertainment, Tonight was visiting

3544
02:28:18.200 --> 02:28:20.159
the set to shoot behind the scenes piece for the show.

3545
02:28:20.280 --> 02:28:22.920
The show crew watched as the production used the Dolly

3546
02:28:22.959 --> 02:28:25.520
set up four times. However, on the fourth time, an

3547
02:28:25.680 --> 02:28:28.079
error occurred and the camera went off the track, crashing.

3548
02:28:28.440 --> 02:28:31.239
Dickerson was embarrassed, but not surprised to see this exact

3549
02:28:31.239 --> 02:28:33.120
shot ended up on their piece about the film when

3550
02:28:33.120 --> 02:28:33.799
the story premiered.

3551
02:28:33.920 --> 02:28:36.799
Of course, it's the most interesting thing, because that's like

3552
02:28:37.600 --> 02:28:40.000
when I work on projects sometimes, Like I'm shooting at

3553
02:28:40.040 --> 02:28:42.840
a friend's really awesome house and they were like, oh,

3554
02:28:42.840 --> 02:28:44.799
we're hoping we'll be home enough to watch you work,

3555
02:28:44.799 --> 02:28:47.920
and I'm like, it's not exciting when it goes well, yeah,

3556
02:28:47.959 --> 02:28:48.799
it's exciting for me.

3557
02:28:50.159 --> 02:28:52.639
Charles Dunton improvised the line he ain't the last pig,

3558
02:28:52.680 --> 02:28:56.719
shortly before his character dies. Scenes involving the river chase

3559
02:28:56.760 --> 02:28:59.200
were cut together with shots of four different bodies of water,

3560
02:28:59.239 --> 02:29:01.840
as when production had reached what Dickerson referred to as

3561
02:29:01.879 --> 02:29:04.920
the raging waters, a drought had occurred, slowing down the streams.

3562
02:29:04.959 --> 02:29:07.479
Of course, of course, despite the ending of the movie

3563
02:29:07.479 --> 02:29:10.440
taking place in Seattle, Washington. For some reason, production filmed

3564
02:29:10.479 --> 02:29:13.159
and used as an established shot of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania from

3565
02:29:13.200 --> 02:29:15.879
the vantage point of the South Street Bridge. Several key

3566
02:29:15.959 --> 02:29:18.959
identifiable landmarks are visible in the shot, obviously the nothing

3567
02:29:19.000 --> 02:29:21.200
resembling a space needle to even vaguely pass it on

3568
02:29:21.239 --> 02:29:22.280
as the intended location.

3569
02:29:22.879 --> 02:29:25.520
Yeah, so I've spent a decent amount of time in Philadelphia,

3570
02:29:25.840 --> 02:29:30.760
and it is so painfully obvious that it's Philadelphia.

3571
02:29:30.840 --> 02:29:32.920
In the same year this movie was released, Ice Tea's

3572
02:29:33.000 --> 02:29:35.399
metal band body Count recorded an unrelated song with the

3573
02:29:35.440 --> 02:29:37.680
title Surviving the Game, which appeared on their second album,

3574
02:29:37.719 --> 02:29:38.239
Born Dead.

3575
02:29:38.440 --> 02:29:41.079
It's actually not a bad song. People didn't like Born

3576
02:29:41.159 --> 02:29:43.520
Dead that much. I think I think it aged well,

3577
02:29:43.559 --> 02:29:44.520
it's a lot of moshpits.

3578
02:29:44.600 --> 02:29:46.079
It was an odd one. Yeah, well, I.

3579
02:29:46.000 --> 02:29:48.799
Think that the Moshpits songs kind of they're not as

3580
02:29:49.600 --> 02:29:52.239
lyrically dense, So I think some people kind of like

3581
02:29:52.280 --> 02:29:54.079
got turned off to it. Maybe, But I love that

3582
02:29:54.120 --> 02:29:57.200
Born Dead album. Nothing can beat the body Count self

3583
02:29:57.200 --> 02:29:59.079
titled Oh No, It's incredible.

3584
02:29:58.840 --> 02:30:01.639
So good. A screenwriter Eric Burnt later expressed regret by

3585
02:30:01.760 --> 02:30:04.159
killing off doc Hawkins, who was Gary Busey so early,

3586
02:30:04.200 --> 02:30:06.120
and have given the chance to go back and change things.

3587
02:30:06.200 --> 02:30:08.520
He would have killed off Wolf Senior at Murray Abraham

3588
02:30:08.639 --> 02:30:10.799
first and have Hawkins take over the role of a

3589
02:30:10.799 --> 02:30:13.920
father figure to Wolf Junior. It has speculated that Abraham's

3590
02:30:13.959 --> 02:30:16.799
oscar win guaranteed him a more prolific character in the movie.

3591
02:30:16.840 --> 02:30:19.200
In Busey's experience, that could make sense.

3592
02:30:19.239 --> 02:30:21.200
Man, that would be a really fascinating thing if you

3593
02:30:21.360 --> 02:30:24.159
started just like shrinking that kid's head.

3594
02:30:24.000 --> 02:30:25.920
About his dad dying. Oh, that's a whole other movie.

3595
02:30:26.000 --> 02:30:27.479
Yeah, that would have been fascinating.

3596
02:30:27.799 --> 02:30:29.440
The deer scene running through the woods at the start

3597
02:30:29.479 --> 02:30:31.879
of the hunt was provided via an animal wrangler and

3598
02:30:31.920 --> 02:30:34.319
made Dickerson laugh at its arrival, as the deer only

3599
02:30:34.360 --> 02:30:36.920
had one antler, causing them to shoot wide shots versus

3600
02:30:36.959 --> 02:30:38.799
close up. Although it is clear and one shot the

3601
02:30:38.799 --> 02:30:40.399
deer does in fact only have one antler.

3602
02:30:40.479 --> 02:30:43.639
Sometimes deers only have one antler because they shed them. Yeah,

3603
02:30:43.680 --> 02:30:45.120
so I mean it is what it is.

3604
02:30:45.239 --> 02:30:47.360
The scene where Mason uses a shotgun to shoot down

3605
02:30:47.399 --> 02:30:49.079
a tree to cross over the cliff was done on

3606
02:30:49.079 --> 02:30:51.479
an actual cliff side that Dickerson chose solely for the

3607
02:30:51.479 --> 02:30:54.120
real background shot it provided the scene. This required a

3608
02:30:54.120 --> 02:30:56.239
fake tree trunk to be constructed, along with a fake

3609
02:30:56.239 --> 02:30:58.200
cliff side that iced Tea and the Hunters would eventually

3610
02:30:58.239 --> 02:30:58.719
cross two.

3611
02:30:59.120 --> 02:31:02.319
Wow, well it's gorgeous. The whole movie is so gorgeous.

3612
02:31:02.319 --> 02:31:05.120
Oh yeah. Dickerson's first time working with green screen occurred

3613
02:31:05.159 --> 02:31:07.840
in the scene where McNamara's meets his demise. While McNamara

3614
02:31:07.840 --> 02:31:09.959
did the stunt himself, the green screen was used below

3615
02:31:10.040 --> 02:31:12.399
him to simulate the high fall his character experience to

3616
02:31:12.520 --> 02:31:15.760
the ground. Ah, Very Hans Gruber as Very hanscrew Usk.

3617
02:31:16.079 --> 02:31:18.639
While Dickerson still has disappointment with the final product, he

3618
02:31:18.680 --> 02:31:20.840
credits Surviving the Game as the film that scored him

3619
02:31:20.879 --> 02:31:23.079
demon night, as he brought in producers Gil Adler and

3620
02:31:23.120 --> 02:31:25.760
Al Katz check out the film upon completing the sound mix.

3621
02:31:26.040 --> 02:31:28.479
Dickerson also says he's tickled every time he needs a

3622
02:31:28.479 --> 02:31:30.040
fan who brings up their love for the film, as

3623
02:31:30.040 --> 02:31:32.159
it's clear it has a larger fan base than expected,

3624
02:31:32.200 --> 02:31:33.479
one of which is Snoop Dogg.

3625
02:31:34.000 --> 02:31:36.760
I mean that movie kicks ass. Oh, this movie kicks ass.

3626
02:31:36.799 --> 02:31:38.600
That's all that's all there is to it, Dickerson.

3627
02:31:39.120 --> 02:31:41.719
Dickerson credits many of the gun choices, stealth moves and

3628
02:31:41.840 --> 02:31:44.959
execution tactics, and more to a technical advisor on the film,

3629
02:31:45.040 --> 02:31:48.079
he simply named Bob, who was a retired seal with

3630
02:31:48.159 --> 02:31:51.479
combat experience. The first meeting occurred as Bob recommended that

3631
02:31:51.520 --> 02:31:54.760
the rifle Howard's character use by inviting Dickerson out to

3632
02:31:54.920 --> 02:31:56.959
and his assistant out to his car, where he produced

3633
02:31:56.959 --> 02:31:59.040
a bag of guns, pulling out the rifle that would

3634
02:31:59.040 --> 02:32:03.840
eventually agree for his character. And Lastly, Dickerson's own mother

3635
02:32:03.879 --> 02:32:05.479
has a cameo in the film as the woman with

3636
02:32:05.479 --> 02:32:07.280
the bloody nose and the taxi when the dog gets

3637
02:32:07.319 --> 02:32:09.600
run over at the beginning. I love that. I love that.

3638
02:32:09.600 --> 02:32:11.639
That's his mom. That makes me. That makes me happy.

3639
02:32:11.760 --> 02:32:14.760
What are your final thoughts on surviving the game? Look?

3640
02:32:15.360 --> 02:32:20.280
Uh, own it and fuck yourself if you don't agree. Yeah,

3641
02:32:20.399 --> 02:32:23.479
it's a it's a it's a nineties time capsule, but

3642
02:32:23.600 --> 02:32:26.840
it's a it's a time capsule of really great things. Yes,

3643
02:32:27.040 --> 02:32:31.360
the actors are all at their peak of everything. I mean,

3644
02:32:31.639 --> 02:32:34.959
everybody is so fucking good. Yeah, And I really do

3645
02:32:35.000 --> 02:32:36.680
think that, you know, this was very early in ic

3646
02:32:36.719 --> 02:32:39.719
tving in movies. I think that working with those actors

3647
02:32:39.760 --> 02:32:42.280
may elevated him. I think that being able to bounce

3648
02:32:42.319 --> 02:32:44.639
off of people like Rudger Howard and John C. McGinley,

3649
02:32:44.680 --> 02:32:47.600
all these people, I think it made him better. Yeah,

3650
02:32:47.639 --> 02:32:52.520
and I just I I have so much fucking hederation

3651
02:32:53.040 --> 02:32:54.840
for how fun this movie is and how much it

3652
02:32:54.879 --> 02:32:57.520
has to say, even with all of the you know,

3653
02:32:57.600 --> 02:32:59.000
the drawbacks they had to deal with.

3654
02:32:59.079 --> 02:33:01.360
Yeah, it's an otif me as well. I think it's

3655
02:33:01.360 --> 02:33:04.239
simply one of the best adaptations of the Most Dangerous Game,

3656
02:33:04.520 --> 02:33:06.239
next to the nineteen thirty four movie, which I do

3657
02:33:06.280 --> 02:33:09.079
also recommend. But this is a time capsule, like you said,

3658
02:33:09.120 --> 02:33:11.159
of the nineties. It has a lot of great action,

3659
02:33:11.239 --> 02:33:13.479
it's under ninety five minutes and you're in and out.

3660
02:33:13.719 --> 02:33:16.440
I mean it even takes place near the birth of grunge. Yeah,

3661
02:33:16.479 --> 02:33:21.479
you know, Seattle. It's it's a movie that really hits

3662
02:33:21.600 --> 02:33:24.879
nineties and nineties was just starting really because you know,

3663
02:33:24.959 --> 02:33:29.520
the decades don't really end where they end on the calendar. Yeah,

3664
02:33:28.360 --> 02:33:34.239
it's everything that was great about the nineties mentality in

3665
02:33:34.360 --> 02:33:35.639
a classic story.

3666
02:33:35.760 --> 02:33:37.760
Yeah, I mean, there's really no reason not to own it.

3667
02:33:37.799 --> 02:33:40.440
With that Blu Ray release now too, it's gorgeous, it's amazing.

3668
02:33:40.520 --> 02:33:42.239
So we als like in the show with a couple

3669
02:33:42.280 --> 02:33:44.600
of recommendations. The first one I have this week is

3670
02:33:44.719 --> 02:33:47.840
nineteen ninety two's Death Ring, currently available on Roku and

3671
02:33:47.840 --> 02:33:51.120
rentable on Prime and Fandango. When X Special Forces Agent

3672
02:33:51.200 --> 02:33:54.319
Matt Collins wins the Survivalist competition, he becomes the toughest

3673
02:33:54.319 --> 02:33:58.159
man alive, perfect fodder for perverse millionaire Donald Box, who

3674
02:33:58.200 --> 02:34:01.799
is an annual manhunt attracts the most vicious killers. And

3675
02:34:01.879 --> 02:34:05.239
if you need more reason to here's just here's just

3676
02:34:05.280 --> 02:34:09.120
a few names. We have Norris, Billy Drego, McQueen, don

3677
02:34:09.159 --> 02:34:13.639
Swayzey because that's Mike Norris, Chad McQueen, don Swayzey, along

3678
02:34:13.680 --> 02:34:14.239
with Billy.

3679
02:34:14.040 --> 02:34:17.079
Draco golf clapping on that solid, solid one.

3680
02:34:17.559 --> 02:34:19.520
And the next one I'm gonna do is nineteen eighty

3681
02:34:19.559 --> 02:34:22.799
six is Avenging Force, currently on Prime Video, MGM plus

3682
02:34:22.799 --> 02:34:25.760
and two by A Senator is targeted by the Pentangle,

3683
02:34:25.840 --> 02:34:28.959
a right wing paramilitary group. His pow, former CIA agent

3684
02:34:29.079 --> 02:34:31.920
Martial Artist, tries to help him. The group kidnaps the

3685
02:34:31.920 --> 02:34:34.760
agent's sister and tries to hunt him down. Most dangerous

3686
02:34:34.760 --> 02:34:38.159
game style Michael Dudokof's one of his best movies. Avenging

3687
02:34:38.159 --> 02:34:40.600
Force cannot recommend this movie enough. It is insane and

3688
02:34:40.680 --> 02:34:45.639
also child peril to a t Yeah, what's your recommend ding?

3689
02:34:45.840 --> 02:34:49.159
So I decided not to go most dangerous gameways and

3690
02:34:49.200 --> 02:34:52.319
I decided to go ic tea ways instead, and also

3691
02:34:52.719 --> 02:34:55.920
rectify by saying below you told me a non kick.

3692
02:34:56.840 --> 02:34:58.040
No, I'm gonna go with it.

3693
02:34:58.079 --> 02:35:00.959
We've mentioned a few times before, but nineteen eighty two Trespasses,

3694
02:35:01.159 --> 02:35:04.760
because that is another great nineties I mean, you got

3695
02:35:04.799 --> 02:35:08.760
Bill Paxton iced Tea, Bill Sadler ice Cube. It's a

3696
02:35:08.799 --> 02:35:11.959
great film. And it's also a retelling of the Treasure

3697
02:35:12.000 --> 02:35:14.760
of Tiera Madra That's True, which is a great story

3698
02:35:14.799 --> 02:35:17.440
as well, about people who are out of place, out

3699
02:35:17.440 --> 02:35:20.079
of the place they know and hoping to get rich,

3700
02:35:20.120 --> 02:35:23.520
but they don't really understand where they're at. This is

3701
02:35:23.559 --> 02:35:26.639
the Rundown from IMDb. Two firemen in a burning building

3702
02:35:26.840 --> 02:35:29.520
get a treasure map. Stolen gold Church items are hidden

3703
02:35:29.559 --> 02:35:32.399
in a closed down factory in Saint Louis. Once they're

3704
02:35:32.479 --> 02:35:36.440
they're trapped in by a black gang considering it their territory.

3705
02:35:36.520 --> 02:35:38.920
Yes they do, and it's a great film. It's dorcted

3706
02:35:38.959 --> 02:35:41.879
by Walter Hill. It's written by Bob Gail and Robert Zemeckis,

3707
02:35:41.920 --> 02:35:44.280
the team who brought you Back to the Future and

3708
02:35:44.399 --> 02:35:48.200
Well and tailsorm crypt Demon Night, of course, so I

3709
02:35:48.280 --> 02:35:50.719
can't recommend Trespass enough. It is available right now only

3710
02:35:50.799 --> 02:35:53.520
to rent on Prime Video, but it is totally worth

3711
02:35:53.680 --> 02:35:54.399
the four dollars.

3712
02:35:54.440 --> 02:35:56.920
It also has one of the best performances by r Evans,

3713
02:35:57.200 --> 02:35:59.799
the guy from Diehard to Yeah Fright Night. He's so good.

3714
02:36:00.159 --> 02:36:01.719
No, it's a phenomenal film.

3715
02:36:01.760 --> 02:36:04.120
So do we have any emails this week? Last I checked?

3716
02:36:04.120 --> 02:36:06.319
No, but let me check one more time before we

3717
02:36:06.520 --> 02:36:07.120
call it a night.

3718
02:36:07.239 --> 02:36:11.680
All right, No, nobody full.

3719
02:36:11.760 --> 02:36:13.360
But if you guys want to email us, you can

3720
02:36:13.399 --> 02:36:17.000
at do you even movie pod at gmail dot com? Yes,

3721
02:36:17.239 --> 02:36:19.639
or you can go to dooevenmovie dot com and send

3722
02:36:19.680 --> 02:36:21.600
us an email through there. We'd love to hear from

3723
02:36:21.639 --> 02:36:26.159
you recommendations, suggestions, critiques. But if one of them is

3724
02:36:26.159 --> 02:36:28.799
like I didn't really like surviving the game, just cut

3725
02:36:28.799 --> 02:36:30.879
off the middleman and stick the email so far up

3726
02:36:30.879 --> 02:36:32.000
your ass you can taste.

3727
02:36:31.799 --> 02:36:35.840
It fair enough. Would you like to know, since this

3728
02:36:35.879 --> 02:36:37.719
is us wrapping up June, would you like to know

3729
02:36:37.799 --> 02:36:40.479
what we are doing as we kick off July next week. Well,

3730
02:36:40.559 --> 02:36:44.879
I mean sure, okay, so as I'm sure some of

3731
02:36:44.920 --> 02:36:47.399
you know, there is a big film anniversary coming up.

3732
02:36:47.399 --> 02:36:50.840
Its celebrating fifty years next week. Actually, so by the

3733
02:36:50.840 --> 02:36:52.680
time you're hearing this, it's actually going to be turning

3734
02:36:52.680 --> 02:36:55.440
fifty this week, and that is Jaws. So naturally we

3735
02:36:55.479 --> 02:37:00.319
are going to be covering nineteen eighty seven's Jaws the Revenge.

3736
02:37:00.319 --> 02:37:06.639
The best Jaws movie in my opinion for sheer entertainment value,

3737
02:37:06.719 --> 02:37:11.760
and another that has so much history with me as

3738
02:37:11.760 --> 02:37:14.840
a kid because I taped that off of HBO. Oh yeah,

3739
02:37:14.879 --> 02:37:18.840
and uh it's actually was the opening is really scary,

3740
02:37:18.879 --> 02:37:21.879
it used to be until we you know, frame by frame, Well,

3741
02:37:22.159 --> 02:37:25.239
well yeah, it's not as bad as the beginning, I'm sorry,

3742
02:37:25.319 --> 02:37:27.200
is the scary? Oh well yeah yeah, but if you

3743
02:37:27.280 --> 02:37:29.079
frame by frame that it's not read not that great either.

3744
02:37:29.319 --> 02:37:31.360
This is a movie that if you dissect it, it's

3745
02:37:31.479 --> 02:37:34.159
like it's like an onion. There's just more and more

3746
02:37:34.360 --> 02:37:36.719
layers to go. So expect that one to be four

3747
02:37:36.760 --> 02:37:39.120
and a half hours of us talking about Jaws the Revenge.

3748
02:37:39.200 --> 02:37:44.360
Also Christmas in July. Technically, yeah, The Revenge. The reves

3749
02:37:44.559 --> 02:37:47.520
The Jaws the Revenge currently available on Peacock along with

3750
02:37:47.559 --> 02:37:50.079
all of the Jaws movies and sequels right now, also

3751
02:37:50.079 --> 02:37:52.360
rentable on Prime and Fandango. It did just get a

3752
02:37:52.399 --> 02:37:54.120
Blu Ray release as well as a four K So

3753
02:37:54.159 --> 02:37:57.719
if you are a masochist, there you go. Hey. But yes,

3754
02:37:57.760 --> 02:38:00.200
we're gonna be talking about Jaws the Revenge next week

3755
02:38:00.239 --> 02:38:01.639
on the show. I cannot wait.

3756
02:38:02.120 --> 02:38:05.120
You thought I was passionate on this episode, Just wait

3757
02:38:05.200 --> 02:38:08.399
till we're talking about hot, sexy love after steel work.

3758
02:38:08.479 --> 02:38:10.639
Oh yeah, this is gonna be kicking off our our

3759
02:38:10.719 --> 02:38:13.159
July theme of Life's of Beach, So all of our

3760
02:38:13.200 --> 02:38:15.120
movies for the month of July are going to have

3761
02:38:15.399 --> 02:38:18.600
beach tie ends along with them. Oh hell yes, so

3762
02:38:18.680 --> 02:38:19.840
that is going to be next week.

3763
02:38:20.120 --> 02:38:23.719
Yes it will. So make sure you're subscribed on your

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02:38:23.760 --> 02:38:27.559
favorite podcasting app or on YouTube, because if you Missjaws

3765
02:38:27.559 --> 02:38:30.120
the Revenge, I mean, at that point, I don't even

3766
02:38:30.120 --> 02:38:31.239
think you're an adult anymore.

3767
02:38:31.680 --> 02:38:33.440
I can't believe we're doing this. I'm so exciting. I'm

3768
02:38:33.559 --> 02:38:37.840
so fucking ready. I'm so ready for Jaws the Revenge.

3769
02:38:37.879 --> 02:38:39.799
So that is gonna do it for us. This week

3770
02:38:39.840 --> 02:38:40.360
on the show.

3771
02:38:40.760 --> 02:38:42.719
Yeah, we're gonna we were gonna talk about Ciskel and

3772
02:38:42.760 --> 02:38:45.079
Ebert a little bit. But you know what, since they

3773
02:38:45.120 --> 02:38:47.079
didn't love it, they can well they're both dead.

3774
02:38:47.120 --> 02:38:49.000
I mean, Ciscle like that Roger was the one that

3775
02:38:49.040 --> 02:38:50.440
had bad beef with it. But yeah, you can find

3776
02:38:50.959 --> 02:38:53.000
you can find the clip. The full episode is on

3777
02:38:53.200 --> 02:38:55.000
is on YouTube, so we had to chop into it.

3778
02:38:55.000 --> 02:38:57.319
But yeah, but yeah, check that out because it's definitely

3779
02:38:57.319 --> 02:38:57.719
worth it.

3780
02:38:57.760 --> 02:39:00.319
That's bizarre that Ciscle like, because Ebert, I do like

3781
02:39:00.319 --> 02:39:02.840
how Ebert's like I wrote, you know, frigging for russ Meyer.

3782
02:39:02.920 --> 02:39:06.000
But but this is a little too, a little too

3783
02:39:06.079 --> 02:39:07.639
low low brow for me.

3784
02:39:07.920 --> 02:39:09.120
He satable.

3785
02:39:10.159 --> 02:39:13.399
It's based on a freaking Yeah, I'm so sorry they

3786
02:39:13.440 --> 02:39:15.520
didn't kill the black guy like you wanted.

3787
02:39:15.639 --> 02:39:17.319
Ebert.

3788
02:39:18.520 --> 02:39:21.319
No, I mean, I Roger Ebert. I mean, I hope

3789
02:39:21.360 --> 02:39:23.920
nobody ever comes at me for my forty year old opinions.

3790
02:39:23.920 --> 02:39:27.239
And there's something year old opinions about movies. But yeah,

3791
02:39:28.000 --> 02:39:30.879
so it just cuts to somebody doing a video podcast,

3792
02:39:30.920 --> 02:39:33.360
you know, and like three D via VR, and they're like, well,

3793
02:39:33.399 --> 02:39:35.840
let's see what those two chuckle focks in Ohio thought

3794
02:39:35.840 --> 02:39:39.319
about this movie. Wow, you hope hope they're dead? Oh wait,

3795
02:39:39.319 --> 02:39:42.040
they are, they are, and then it just cuts to

3796
02:39:42.120 --> 02:39:44.760
our graves like like they fade up like him back

3797
02:39:44.760 --> 02:39:45.959
to the future too, but we've.

3798
02:39:45.840 --> 02:39:47.479
Been buried like the dog in The Homeless Man at

3799
02:39:47.479 --> 02:39:47.840
the beginning.

3800
02:39:47.879 --> 02:39:53.319
Oh yeah, yeah, I hope somebody digs that deep when

3801
02:39:53.319 --> 02:39:56.639
I'm dead and people are judging my mood Jesus. So

3802
02:39:57.159 --> 02:39:59.559
I guess all that's left to say as we head

3803
02:39:59.559 --> 02:40:02.280
out is a Again, remember subscribing your favorite podcasting app

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02:40:02.280 --> 02:40:04.159
if you're listening, and leave us a five star rating

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02:40:04.200 --> 02:40:07.200
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02:40:07.200 --> 02:40:09.159
please make sure you're subscribed so you don't miss the

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02:40:09.200 --> 02:40:13.200
next episode, and leave us a comment on Spotify or YouTube.

3808
02:40:13.239 --> 02:40:15.280
We always respond to them, or at least I do

3809
02:40:15.360 --> 02:40:17.719
at the very least email us. Do you the movie

3810
02:40:17.760 --> 02:40:20.000
pod at gmail dot com. So, I guess all that's

3811
02:40:20.040 --> 02:40:26.040
really left to say is see you next, hon The Revenge.

3812
02:40:27.079 --> 02:40:29.159
It's so dangerous that you want us to do your

3813
02:40:29.239 --> 02:40:30.840
Jaws the Revenge.

3814
02:40:31.040 --> 02:40:33.639
We're gonna lose everybody and I'll be happy with that

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02:40:33.719 --> 02:40:34.760
and we'll see what happens.

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