Return of the Living Dead (1985) - Brains, Punk, and Chaos!

0:01 They were resting in peace until they were rudely interrupted. Do you want to put on a grave? Though? It is on a party? And this place is on me now, Lakhu's awake, they're on the way. Way. They're back from the grave and ready to party. I think things are cannot do without the return of the living Dead. Great at Art now playing at a theater near you. In a world where podcasts reign supreme. Two friends dare to ask.

0:42 Do you even? Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie officionado David de Noyer. Spoiler alert, What are you laughing about? The lavic is like it reminds me of you. Have you seen Drive Through with Horny the Clown the horror movie? Yeah, of course it starts with them lighting U. I don't know if it's I can't know if it's a joint or if it's a cigaretllo, but like that's that's the first thing you see, is that? And that's what just made me think of it, just kicking off the show like that.

1:26 It wasn't because you have a similar appearance to Morgan's Purlock. No, No, it was not. Why was that those comments? Rest in peace to a great man. He was a fine man. I wouldn't call him great. Yeah, it wasn't great. His his documentaries went a little downhill towards the end, I would. Say, as opposed to when they were just out and out lies. Yeah, in the beginning, I mean, you know, supersized Me had its day in the sun. And you know, he really did blow the lid off fast Food, Like Henry Rollins said that one time. It's the dumbest interview I've ever heard. All respect to Henry Rollins, but like, wow, you. Really blew the little fast blue, the little off of fast food because apparently it's bad for you, says the guy with an eighty seven inch neck. You know what's funny is I've watched that episode The pent Teller's Bullshit on Fast Food like numerous times, and uh, it's it's funny because like there's people out there that will demonize anything. Obviously, sure, but then you like they went and the like had the CEO. I think was was it heart Ease or whatever that's in that episode Carl Carls Junior. Yeah, and then he comes on and basically just is the nicest guy possible and like explains everything.

2:33 Well the problem because fast food is not healthy. It definitely should be a moderation, yeah, kind of you know, consumption. But the way that people who are opposed to it describe it as hilarious. Yeah, they will say things like what they're doing is they're abusing your brain by giving you fat and salt and sugar, the most addictive things that your brain can take. How can you resist it? It's like, okay, But the way humans would describe that is you're giving people things that taste good. Yeah, so they'll eat those more them. Yes, fat salt sugar taste good. It's salt sugar sounds like a wrapper. Yo, man, fat salt sugar.

3:17 It sounds like a group of rappers. But no, that's That's always been something that kind of drove me crazy because I do I mean, I obviously I should watch what I eat better. Fact, I think most people should, but I especially should. I will never be one of those those people. I have a problem with. Currently in the cafeteria at work, like they have like you know, cheeseburgers, chicken sandwiches, fries, salads and stuff like every day, And I'm addicted to the chicken sandwiches right now because I get a side of pickles and a little thing of mayo, and then I just like, you know, doctor the sandwich up that way. Wow. Oh I'm quite white. I am quite white. My mother was in charge of the cafeteria at her company. Oh yeah, and their company had a rule they had, I mean there, their campus was literally the size of a community college, very very big, and for every x amount of employees I think it was every two thousand employees that worked there or something like that, the cafeteria would add a station. So at the height they had six stations, not including the salad bar. And you know, one was like kind of a general home cooking thing.

4:23 One was a kind of a fusion Asian. They would all have like different types of food you could get, and my mother was in charge of getting it to be more efficient because it was losing money and they didn't want it to make a profit. But they didn't want the cafeteria to lose money because the whole point of that company, especially at that time, was to get the health of everybody up. And one thing that my mother struggled with was they had tons of healthy options, and generally speaking, they would they were always paying for the uneaten healthy food makes So what they discovered actually worked really well though, was the salad bar was very affordable, like half the price of like a grocery store salad bar, maybe.

5:09 Even a little less exist more half the time. Well, I mean we still have them at the Kroger by me. We lost ours. Wow, yeah, help you find it. I wish they had really lobster bisk like that was my go to. Well, the problem with those salad bars, though, is that, like even before everything got inflated like crazy over the last few years, I would when I was eating healthier and I was being vegan for a good while, I would go there to make a salad and then when I went to check out, I'd be like, this is twelve dollars. Why, I mean, I'm not. I mean I get that, like it's it's you know, the ingredients, wait or whatever, but it's like, but it's like twelve dollars, Like I can go to a restaurant, like it should be a little cheaper because the convenience is what's getting me to do it. Well, so at Mom's work, they had this salad bar that was obscenely cheap, and especially when I was vegan, I'd go there two or three times a week and have lunch with my mom because I could just make this gargantuan salad and then I just eat them down, you know. But my mom, you know, she's retired now, but she always managed to care about whatever she was doing. So I used to go to lunch with her multiple times a week because they would be trying a new food station recipe and she would sit me down and literally like I would have to have I would have like a chicken sandwich and a hamburger and a taco, and my mom would be like, take a bite, and I'd take a bite, so what is it? What do you think? And it was funny because you know, a lot of times there would be things like I'd be like like I'd be like, oh, the burger is surprisingly good, not hot, Like I haven't

6:43 been sitting here this long and it's not hot. So my mom would like write it down and and she'd go to the food prep people and be like, is there any way to keep them hot till they're on the plate because the flavor's good. But you know, same thing like I get a chicken sand like this sandwich is so dry, And she'd go to them and be like, it's pretty dry, and they be like, well, it's hard not to be that way. She'd like, well, then let's just not do that chicken sandwmuch anymore. And she got the place to break even. Oh yeah, man. But I think my favorite part of the struggle she had was they wanted they were. The big challenge wasn't getting people to eat healthy food. There was getting them to eat there and not go out. Go eat order in. Yeah. And part of the reason they were like, you should stay in and eat was it was cheaper. You know, it's a lot cheaper than going out to eat, and and the like. Home cooking line was always insanely long because the food was very, very good there. But the thing that caused everybody a bunch of trouble was one of the elements of getting the efficacy and the and everything to work really well was they got rid of money entirely. So there was no debit cards, no cash, no nothing. You would scan your employee ID and it would be deducted from your next paychecks. But people hated that, which was hilarious because my mother when people had brought it up, they were like, I just don't like it being to take on my paycheck. She was like, do you understand when you spend money? Like, do you understand that?

8:10 Like that that's how your money. Yeah, works, yea. And the funny thing is she was like, in fact, by buying your meal from a future paycheck, you aren't paying as much tax. No either, Like you're getting tax free food with your money. No. I love that we have that option. But it was funny how long it took because for the longest time people be like, oh, they deducted it from your paycheck, and it's like, homie, everything you buy is deducted from your paycheck. So that was her big struggle. And then when they took her off of there, it didn't even last four months of breaking even. They put it in the hands of the private contractors entirely, and they just, frankly, they didn't care. I mean, why should they, because they're just going to be paid no matter what.

8:57 Well, I mean, I've shown you some of the some of the pictures of my choice meals at my place of work that I don't understand how they came up with the idea for it, because like a freaking mac and cheese and ham. You remember that one m if you can call it that. Well, how many people? Estimation how many people? I would have to say at least I mean, it's got to be at least three to five I would think thousand thousand. Yeah, yeah, I mean you'd think that they'd I mean, they'd have i mean more options, but they're. Doing a twenty nine dollars expansion right now too. Well and at the same time though, it's just a cafeteria. Yeah, and that was the big struggle at Mom's company was that they wanted the cafeteria to perform like really well, yeah, they didn't want it to just be there as like a as like a you know, a little favor for people who are lazy.

9:50 Well, and we still and we still have a bunch of people that are still working remotely too, so I mean that's even cut down on it too obviously. Plus we are right by a bunch of places to go, like there's a Wendy's, there's a waffle house, like there's so like hot. Head, there's an immense amount of places by where my homework because she worked dead set in the middle of Kettering, Ohio. There's everything. Yeah, so but yeah, it was just funny watching my mom her wheels turn because she was she was in charge of a bunch of stuff. She was in charge of the mailroom, which was like her ala a job. But then her b job was the cafeteria and the the what they called the body shop, which was there on site exercise gym, which not only had all of the equipment, locker rooms, but it also had pilates classes, yoga classes, spin classes, and you were allowed to exercise. I believe it was an hour a day on the clock.

10:38 That's awesome. So, but that was a whole other ordeal because my mother hired this woman to run it, but my mother was their boss, and that poor woman, she would get bossed around, pushed around by these like remember watch, yeah, and my mom stood up to this one like forty year old ex marine And my Mom's standing there sixty one years old, like one hundred and forty pound lady, and she's just like, I'm sorry, do you need me to take away your gym privileges? Yeah? Well, the big problem initially was he wouldn't wear shoes in the gym. He wouldn't wear shoes, and he was also dropping them, right, he was dropping weights, yeah, and screaming grunting largely, I. Was making a lot of the women, who were the majority of the people using it were women, making them a little uncomfortable. And at one point he just said, like, they don't wear shoes in the yoga class, and she was like, you would you would it make you feel better if I made them wear shoes. Yeah, Well, I'll tell you something. Now that she's retired, although I haven't named the company, and now that she's retiring, there was another thing. I don't believe it was related to that guy, but somebody was defecating in the showers.

11:43 Yeah. What What was funny about that wasn't why would someone do that? And it was why did they think they could get it away with it? The second time they did, They're like there he is, Yeah because the camera they have cameras. Yeah. So, and he was so shocked when they caught him. They was just like, well, oh, it was like you know, only between the time that we found the pew and how many men left the gym, there were six of you. When you shit in the shower, you have to waffle stomp it down the drain. That's the that's the way to do it. I thought everybody knew that by now. I guess he'd missed that day at community college. You know, waffle stump is just always my favorite phrasing that it means so many things.

12:25 It really could. It makes its own gravy if you will, it is disgusting. So but all of that to say, David, Yes, one thing I've I've learned a lot in our friendship. Oh yes. And one of those things is I feel like I've learned what it is to be married, because aside from the the lack of sex and the disappointments, I was trying so hard to not. Yeah break yeah, yeah, good job. Doesn't even notice my new haircut. It looks great as if it's a new haircut. I I just got to trim a year and a half late. I was gonna say, yeah. Yeah, you're supposed to get your hair trimmed like every three months. I was a year and four months out.

13:08 I'm deciding if it's gonna go post wasteland or if I'm gonna keep it going for a little bit. I have my hat on right now so nobody can see it, but it's it's still growing. Well. I would hope like no, I willed the hair just stop. I just stop, willed it to stop, willed myself to mail pattern baldness. I can't remember. There's a family guy joke where he like he grows his beer back but like his strength. I can't remember who it is though the character watch sheer. Will she will, but no, that's uh yeah, yeah, it's okay. Rachel didn't notice either. She was like, well you were backlit. I was like, I took nine inches off my hair. I just remember finishing up before I before I came here, and like just getting it all trimmed up for my for my mustache and whatnot. And I remember being like, wow, it looks so much better. Why didn't I do this before work?

13:54 I don't know. Why didn't you? I don't know. You don't you don't seem like you're big on morning grooming. Nope, I am. It's it's not so much that I'm that I'm against or anything like that. I didn't think you were likely mch No. No, it's it's more so it's just like I I live five minutes away from my workplace, so I get the max amount of sleep or like you know, snooze I can and then get up and start my day. You're talking to a guy whose first job was across the street from his apartment. Yeah, I mean I literally have like a fifteen minute get out of bed, get everything ready, and get out the door. Like as long as I'm out the door between like seven forty seven forty five, I'm gonna be fine. You start work at eight, Yeah, start work at eight.

14:35 Typically we were allowed to clock in as early as seven to fifty. Be weird. If they were like hard limited hard it cannot work earlier than that, we won't allow it, sir. But yeah, no, I it's not that I'm against morning grooming. It's just I showering before work is something I used to do at my last job, and it is just so much easier for me to take a shower before bed for the most part, because especially like tonight, I'm gonna get home late and do tonight and then go to bed. See, when I think of showering before bed, it makes me think of high school because I stopped. I stopped doing that once once I became an adult. I'm not trying to pick on you, kid, but like fine, but uh, then I realized the benefit of showering in the morning, which is just all of it. I mean just the experience is nice to start your day with.

15:21 Keep in mind too, I have a third shift roommate, so I have to fight the bathroom sometimes in the morning because he's just coming home from work. What sounds like you probb. I mean that is a meat problem. That's why again, I choose to shower at night and not and have minimal time in the bathroom in the morning. Well, what time do you get off for it? Uh, six thirty six. I mean you could get you'd get a shower. I mean you're a dude. What's gonna take you ten minutes? Yeah? Yeah, if that eight to ten yearsually. Yeah, yeah, twelve minutes. If you remember a funny story, What the hell? I was watching a movie recently and she was like, oh, last Action Hero, I'm gonna go take I'll be out in an hour. I'm gonna go take a shower. I'll be done an hour. Yeah, I'll be done in an hour. Hey, at least she's honest. I mean, there's that so I yeah, I never noticed how short my showers are until I started living with with Rachel.

16:06 Yeah. Yeah, she showers until the hot water's gone. I usually will you know, put on music, and that's how I usually tie my showers by, like when I get to it, like if I know an album by heart, Like when I get to a certain so I'm like, oh my, I've been here in like sixteen minutes, so I need to get out. See I time my showers by when I'm done washing my get that. Yes, But I enjoy a shower too. I mean I I do too, but I mean once the hair's done and I know, I wash my face and maybe shave time back. Sometimes I get the really good hot water and sometimes I get the mild, tepid water. So it just depends on. Do you share a water heater with your neighbors? Oh, that sucks. I have in my last two apartments. That sucks. Most most apartments, I'm pretty sure you have your own, yeah, most so I have never I've never had to share a water heater outside of mind.

16:54 I mean actually, now that's actually I'm full of shit. All three apartments have had a sheared water heater because I know for a fact that there was one time that like the uh that they had their kids and everything had gone, and then I got in and I got like two minutes of hot water before it was lukewarm, she'd cold. They should switch to a tankless then they wouldn't. I mean that's what hotels. I'm pretty sure most hotels do. Now. Yeah, so that is one nice thing about hotels. It's basically limitless hot water can't wait. Oh yeah, well I still think you would. You would probably find yourself more bright eyed and excitable if you showered in the morning. Mmmm. So, I mean that's just I'm not a doctor. It's mainly because like, my alarm goes off anywhere between seven twenty seven and thirty. So that gives me like, like I said, like ten minutes.

17:39 Well you have some kind of variable alarm. You don't know when it's gonna go. Well, I have three. I have three. Yes, my alarm goes off some time between. It's like, well, huh, I've got three alarms for the morning because I've got one that goes off at seven, and seldom do I actually get up at seven. Although I do get up at seven sometimes an shower. It is, It is not often, but it does happen. What I mean, I can't I can't pretend and I have the best morning routine. Yeah, but I wake up and then I go into the other room and start working. Yeah, oftentimes I have no morning ritual. It is literally, oh shit. When I was working at home, my lunch break would include the shower like I would shower at noon. And then with a bottle of wine. No, not on the. Clock now No, Well, now it's gotten even worse because now I wear the Apple Watch, so I will sometimes accidentally start checking my messages before I've even stepped out of bed. And yeah, that can definitely affect the way the day starts if there's some kind of urgent.

18:33 I can't remember. There was an article I read a while back that was basically saying that you can cut down your morning distractions by having your phone charging in like an entirely different room for your most of your morning routine. I mean, I have my phone charging two feet outside of reach. Yeah, and that's more than enough to not pick it up once while you're in bed. No, I get it. And that's just because that's where the table is. Yeah. So I mean, I know I have an enviable situation in that I would say over eighty five percent of the year I don't have an alarm set at all. Yeah, I go to sleep and I usually wake up. You could almost bet on it being about six and a half hours. Well, now that I wear the watch, I know, h it's creepy. I'll look at it be like six forty see hours and forty minutes. Again.

19:18 I just recently like started like kind of trying to regulate my bedtime because I had it on my phone at two thirty, because two thirty was like the latest I could stay up, like if I was still up, and like my phone was like, hey, you have work in like five hours, maybe we should go to bed. Yeah, it's a little late. So I've started basically making sure my ass is in bed between like ten and eleven that way, like if I'm laying down and whatnot. It's gotten a lot easier. And I kind of forgot how wonderful it is to sleep through the night because I hadn't had that happen for a while. Oh ever since you ran over those kids, ever since I ran over those kids. Yeah, I mean I'm impressed you have. You have a sense of right and wrong apparently. So No, that's that's the funny thing. So I have since I was a child, I had what I would call sleep frustration. Yeah, I do not get into a bed until I am barely able to stay awake, because otherwise I will lay in bed very annoyed. I don't like being in bed. It's fifty to fifty for me.

20:12 Like if I actually like lay down, put my head on the pillow and like am looking at my TV, like laying down and whatnot. Like I can find myself falling asleep during stuff, and then I know, okay, turn off the TV, put on a podcast, and then just like fall asleep. That's usually how I go with it. Yeah, I when I lay down in bed, it's it's it's glasses off, it's time to sleep. Yeah, I mean I also can't see it all without my glasses. Fall asleep with my glasses on a lot. You shouldn't do that. I know it's bad for the glass. I used to sleep my contacts not all the time. I know because I used to tell you about like how amiba's Yeah, you can. Get a goddamn amiba in your eye or somebody. You also can get amba swimming in a lake, which you won't do either. I am very amoeba aware in my day to day choices as somebody who grew up swimming in lakes. I just I just do.

21:00 And as somebody who grew up with a severe nearly blinding eye infection. There is that. I mean I did too almost. I told you about that, how I almost lost my eye because I scratched my eyes so bad that like if I hadn't gone to the eye doctor when I went, like they were like, if you would have waited like another twenty four hours, you could have lost your eye. How old were you. It was when Texas Chainsaw the beginning was still on like premium channels. They may have they may have also said that just to scare you because you were like messing with your eye. How did you scratch it? Uh, trying to get a contact out? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They were probably also trying to make sure you understand that you shouldn't mess with your eyes. I mean I had my eye covered for twenty four hours with a bandage and like had like the ceiling drops and everything. Door. Yeah, I know, shut up.

21:45 Well, my eye had to be amputated, oh damn. Near my eyelid had to be taped down, and I had to be bandaged for five days. Yeah, and that was at the end of a rigorous treatment process. So I'm not saying it, I mean, like yours sounds awful. That's kind of my point is, I would not mess with your eyes. There is a distinct pattern of me sleeping my contacts in and then wondering why my eyes would be like itchy, and like then like hurt. You know, the next several days. I could see you just be like allergies, Like, well, you're just like pulling from out of your eyes.

22:25 I never ripped like an entire contact like in my eye, like I put a I put a torn contact in, which fucking sucks. Sure, but yeah, I've never actually like taken a contact out in pieces. Luckily, I've been able to get it out in one go. I only once had a contact lens almost get into the back of my eye. But after my eye infection, wearing contacts was so incredibly uncomfortable for years I didn't even try. And now they're not so bad. There's some really comfortable contact lenses now. Well, my biggest issue is I was sleeping with literally fucking dailies in my eye, and those are the contacts that you're supposed to like, you know, take out the end of the day. I know, we see when I grew up dailies were so expensive that I wore monthlies.

23:06 I didn't get dailies until my last two years of high school because I had the I had the case, and I had the liquid and everything for for years. When I got my contacts. When when I went to the eye doctor, I need to go again. Last time I went to the eye doctor. Every time I go, I get a contact lens prescription, and if they'll give me samples, I'll get some. Yeah, because every now and then I need to go glasses free, like for a Halloween costume or for a movie or whatever. It's nice to have the option. But I remember the last time I went. I told her I like flat out. I was like, I'm gonna be honest with you. I probably wear contacts five days a year. Yeah. And she was like, oh, you should wear daily disposables. Yeah. And I was like duh because then they because before I would like find my contact lens case and be like, well those have been in there for five months and pour them out, you know, And now I'm just like, oh no, I just have an ideaies and they're good for years.

23:54 I had to have it explained to me because originally, like because the dailies were expensive. So when I was when I was paying form in college and everything, I into my eye doctor and I was like, listen, like, I'm not wearing them as often, Like should I just go back to regular pre And she's like, no, that's the worst thing you could do, because if you're not wearing them every day, why would you get a two weak pair if you're only gonna wear them like twice. Well, there's also the consideration that the dailies aren't more expensive now if you burn through thirty in a year or sixty in a year. Yeah, they're expensive if you wear them every day, because then you have to buy Mean, I'm not a math surgeon, but three hundred and sixty five pairs. I can usually make one hundred and eighty of them last for about a year, like cause I because I like them more of my glasses right now obviously them shut up, but uh like I I like my contacts, but there's specific times that I want to wear them, and there's times where my glasses will do perfectly fine.

24:38 Yeah, I just I don't like the experience. I like sunglasses. That's my only issue sometimes is that I will literally put my you see me do it where I put my sunglasses over my glass. I mean you can get prescription sunglasses. Nop, it's not gonna look like a dirt very cheaply. No, how would that make you look like at jerk? I'm not confused. I like having two glasses stacked on top of each other versus just one. I'm original, thank. You to help you blended when you're at the old folks home trying to scam people out of their money. No, I like, it's I'm not against prescription sunglasses. It's just I've always just either decided to wear my contacts that day, or I literally will just put my sunglasses over my glasses for the laziness. I mean, I just keep my prescription sunglasses in my car because that's generally always i'll need them. But I mean the big thing is, I mean, you don't buy glasses online or anything. Do you buy them the old school we zenny? You buy any zenny? Oh well good, yeah, then you should just yeah, just get some. I mean, like, if you like those, just get a pair of sunglasses, or you could drop the coin and get transitions.

25:39 I've not dropped the coin. It's why you don't like transitions. I do not like transitions. You've had them. No, I just don't like them on people, and I don't want them. What do you mean you don't like them on people? The fact, Like I just don't like the way, like I don't like when you walk outside in the glasses just turn. I don't know, they just well they slowly. Yeah, I'm not a fan of them, that's all I'll say. I'm not a fan of them, that's all same. I'm so confused by your resistance toward prescription sunglasses in general. I have more No, I have more resistance towards the transitions than I do. Actually, just like regular prescription sunglasses. Okay, No, I mean my problem with them is that they're expensive. I just transition. I just don't like the transitions. I would prefer one one pair of them to do what they do. Dude, I can't explain it. That's just that just.

26:26 Just makes you uncomfortable, the idea that like if the sun's bright, it would stop blinding you. It just it seems like creeps wear those classes. There, I said it. What, yes, what does that mean? I have certain that in my life that have had the transition glasses have been creeps. And that's all I'll say. That's all I've got. That is so weird because because it's not like they all look a certain way. The ones that I'm thinking of do, which are like the they look like regular glasses and then they just turn dark when you go outside. But any pair of glasses can be transition. Yeah, but it's just it's it's different for me personally in the view of like if these, if these like turned black and whatnot, Like I just I don't, I don't know what it is about it. It's just I've never really been into them, and like I said, the people that I've seen get them, I'm not a big fan of.

27:16 I mean, Rachel wears transition lenses. And Rachel's awesome, so she's an exception. And you wouldn't know that their transition because they don't have a. Dude, we're talking about when I was in elementary school, kids had them. Okay, oh my god, Yeah that was like ninety five years ago. David was not ninety five years ago. But thank you for that's a very long not saying it wasn't just wait to get thirty six and then you realize that you've been eighteen years not a kid. Yeah, you're living longer. Yeah, you're living past the time you were a child. So this is all based on childhood trauma. In a sense, Like it's hard to pinpoint, Like it's probably me just being stubborn as I normally am. I'm a fucking stubborn person and have been for a long time.

27:58 A bit, yeah, yeah, a bit. Yeah, I'm so sorry. I'm being nice to you. Yeah, that's I know, it's weird. I was trying to be helpful. I mean, but it's cool if you want to sound like my racist grandma's are I'm just I just I just know. It's like it's it's something that I haven't ever thought about, like recently, because like I said, I've just kind of always had that tie into it, like elementary school days, Like there's there's specifically two bullies that had them. So there you go. That's so weird. It is, dude. I there's things I say on this mic that I'm not comfortable saying, to be honest, because it just kind of comes out like therapy.

28:38 Well, I mean, there's nothing wrong with talking about your feelings. And is when I don't know who's listening to this show right now, who may or may not know me from those days. Are you are you afraid? Like, are you friends with one of the bullies? No? No? Then what I mean like if you. Didn't, you just don't know who's listening. I'm saying, like the person could be listening, And I mean they may not know that I'm talking about them for that matter, but I really. Doubt they, No doubt they do too. But again, this is just me again. It's just like I haven't thought about this in a long time and it's just kind of coming out now. But I mean, like, even if let's say you're your greatest childhood bully, m hmm, is listening to the show right now? If I mean, if they're aware that they bullied you, they're probably not proud of that.

29:23 I don't know, But I don't know about that. I know two of my bullies, like not personally, but I know about two of my bullies, and they have not really changed. In fact, their kids exactly like act exactly like them now too. Oh gosh, Okay, so I apologize. I understand you're a yenta, but it might be yeah, you're a little you're a little knitting circle gossip. There's there's people I kept on social media strictly to follow to see how they went. Yes, but that I don't do that anymore. Like that was that was like early days of social media, and it was just like, oh, like this person sent me a friend request and are not friends, but morbid curiosity like what's gonna happen to them?

30:03 That ship? That ship, Like that ship has sailed at this point, Like I don't keep anybody on to follow for that reason. But I know for a fact there's two bullies that in my lifetime have kids now and their kids act exactly like they did when they were kids. Cause you like, hang out where the kids are. No, because one of my friends babysits for them and the other one, uh, the one is uh goes to a school that one of my friends kids school go to. I think you you you need to learn to let go. Yeah, I'm not saying I don't all. I'm saying this is not you know, I don't like this intro, Like this intro went off the radil. This is not me trying. But this is not me trying to make fun of you for.

30:45 For hard I've said things. I've gone into a deeper hole now on the on this intro to the show that like I just I'm I'm not comfortable with anymore. All I'm saying is, as a person who was who is prolifically bullied, most of your bullies had really bad lives. Cool, no empathy at all? No I have. I have empathy, dude. This is this is a really tough subject. I'm not. I understand. I'm not. It's why it's a tough sub That's. Why it's interesting to me though, because it is important. Yeah, but I don't know if I really just want to open this up on the movie podcast, but I mean, what are we if? I mean movies inform who we are as people? Yeah, but I do, Yes, I have empathy for it. But this, yeah, this, this completely went off on a tirade. I don't want to be on.

31:39 Now I understand. All I'm saying is could you forgive a bully? Yes? If and I and I have, that's good. That's ye See that's my point. Yes, I'm not saying every single bully ever is going to have some redeeming oh quality. But I'm sure you would not be surprised to find out that many of the kids who were who were little either did it out of a lack of understanding, like like you did the few occasions where you found yourself kind of on the bullying side as a kid, because you weren't a rotten to the core person. You just kind of ended up there for a minute. Yeah, and that's totally normal. So for me being very low on the totem pole growing up as far as like being bullied, there were very few options that I could have even hoped to have bullied. But I think that a lot of those kids probably had a way worse home than you did.

32:35 Yeah, for sure. And I'm sure that at the end of the day, them not remembering or not owning bullying you would probably have more to do with their need to not hate themselves. I hate that we've gotten this far. I think this is this is a value though. This is because because because David, we are of a certain age. Yeah, no, I know, And this is the kind of stuff I spent a lot of time hiding from my childhood because it was very unpleasant. Yeah, I'm one of those people who it took me years to be comfortable with reminiscing about being a kid because I had to get over those memories.

33:16 It's it's difficult for me in regards to this shit's coming out for the first time out of my head right now, of course, Miss Mike. Yeah. Yeah, And I've been in therapy for I don't like I've had, you know, I've had at least six years, seven years of in and out of counselors and whatnot. So it's just like that that just came out, and I'm just like, I hear myself saying it, and I'm just like not loving it. But at the same time, yeah, I get it. It is therapeutic to share. Yeah, But yeah, I just I didn't expect it to go here. I understand that, I understand that I'm not. The reason I'm pushing you a little bit is because I think that that's what you need sometimes. Yeah, and I mean specifically you because we've been friends for over a decade. Yeah, And it's these are the kinds of things that are hard to deal with. One thing I do, I don't know if other people do, but that I do is I'm really bad, although it ends up being helpful in some ways. I'll often when I'm alone for a really long period of time, I'll prod at those things and I don't think a lot of people do that to the level I do, and I end up upsetting myself, but not like in a like I'm gonna cry on. I mean upsetting myself because I'll be like, shit, I need to sit down and reassess myself because why am I so mad? And there were a bunch I mean, coming to terms with being bullied, coming to terms with my abandonment issues have been things that I that I had to kind of find on my own, which I'm

34:47 glad I did, but holy crap, Like to. Me, I made a couple of friends like super sad over the weekend because we were just driving out a couple of places and it came out of my mouth and it like it was just that thought that kind of left before I even thought about it. It was like, man, you know, for a social butterfly, I'm really good at being a loner sometimes, And that like kind of hurt hearing myself say that. So No, I mean like there's there's little things that will that will just kind of cook in my head and then come out eventually. Well, you're a good friend. I appreciate that. No, you really are. You are too. You have your flaws everybody does. Yeah, and you're you like to to head away from things, and I think that's probably your your greatest flaw, only because it can make it hard to connect. It's like we're doing right now too.

35:40 Yeah, it's it's because the dear listener, you're gonna get really, you're gonna really intimate me here for a second. It is because it's because, in the simplest terms, when you are a kid, and any time that you are dealing with something and you kind of just push it down and then it keeps building to the point where you eventually have it not necessarily lash out. That's not the word I want to use, but that's the best thing I can come to terms with. Sure, and you're labeled as a drama queen or being dramatic by your family. You don't express much frustration after that point. Well, and the and the tricky thing there is when you hold back until you boil, it actually makes you more dramatic.

36:24 Oh, it makes you way more dramatical. Yeah, yeah, it's And that was Michael. And that was the hardest thing was it was just like anytime I expressed myself to a certain point, it was just David's being dramatic day. He has been a drama queen. Like this is why my sister and I strictly have a rule now that I am not to be called that because it's it's a triggering experience for me. I can see that. Yeah, I don't need to dive in deep on that. Yeah, but I can see it from from being being my friend a little bit. Yeah. And I and I love my sister. My sister is a great mother. I love my niece. I love that my sister is has a happy life and it is doing very well for herself. And I'm and I've come to term. We We've come to terms of the lot of our shit. Yeah, but that is one that really has stuck out for the fact of the issues that I hold internally inside me. But on top of like the mental gymnastics I do sometimes with my own self. Sure, well, that's anxiety and anxiety that's anxiety to a tea.

37:19 I think I think a lot of it comes from anxiety a place of anxiety, and as a person who's very anxious. Yeah, that's why I see it. Yeah, you know it's not because I then go like, wow, I would never fuck up like this. Yeah, so you need da da da. No, it's hard. It's hard out there, and it's hard, especially when these kinds of conversations can feel scary, and they can feel not only scary, but it's easy to resist them. Yeah, and that usually lets it become worse. Well, it's because literally, I mean, as we're recording this right now, no one's hearing this as we are recording this right now, but I know that we are recording this for an episode. I mean just the CIA, Yeah, the CIA and you know NSA. Yeah. It's it's weird for me to have a mic and feel more comfortable opening up on these things, even when the initial drop of it is scary. Sure, but the fact that you and I have been friends for so long, and the fact that, like I know that I can share these things.

38:15 This microphone here collecting all this is what is is what was making me nervous. But at the same time, now it's just like, at this point, it's out there as far as far as it. Goes, and I totally understand that. I think that you would be and you probably already know this deep down, but like I think you'd be surprised how many people relate, they relate and they don't see you as some. Vulnerability is saying vulnerability is something that I've never really been afraid of in the sense of letting it out. And it's more so the after effects of letting it out to certain people, like being the being vulnerable to somebody. I mean, you know, anybody who's clicked on this episode wants to hear about the movie obviously too, but like, yeah, well. There are a million other movie podcasts, then go to it. I don't like, no, no, you know what. What I'm more so saying is it's just like I appreciate that if anybody is hearing this right now and relates to this, you know, obviously, please send us an email for one, but just at the same time, like understand that, like this is not something I do on a regular basis on the show.

39:12 No No, No, but I I've learned in being your friend that needling the stubbornness often is really good. Yeah, not always, but often. Well it's like I I literally had to do mental gymnastics on who was it that had shades like that? And and that's where it's just like, oh no, no, I totally remember because I just remember the faces immediately. So yeah, no, I it's it's one thing to to be able to face the problems. It's a whole nother thing to be able to face the problems and inspire somebody and if that, if that's that's or relate back to somebody point of that, and so like that's why. It's like I get comfortable more as I think about it. But yeah, I mean it's it's not something that I love talking about. Obviously, but at the end of the day, we are talking to each other and people are listening, and you're not talking to anybody but me right now. Really, I mean, people are listening, but they're not converse. They're not in the room with us right now. No, No, I hope not.

40:05 There's a curtain right there. But it's it's a tough thing to go through. I appreciate you kind of letting that guard down a little bit because it's needless. Is the big thing is you don't need to protect yourself because nobody's trying to hurt you. Yeah, and that's hard for a lot of people. I learned relatively young that being vulnerable almost always led to a good situation. When I say young, I mean in my. Twenties, anxiety led me to believe that it could be weaponized against you, obviously. And it can't. It can't. But that's only you if you hang on to toxic people exactly because toxic people will hear the thing you say that is really really intense and then turn it on you when they need to hurt you. And the thing is, at the end of the day, the people that you love should not ever be like, shoot, I need to hurt David right now, how do I do it? Yeah?

40:58 You know, they really shouldn't unless they're a professional in full LATEX so. Fair. So that's but that's the truth of it. Yeah, you know there was a line in Making Out where I basically say that or was it, Yeah, I was making out or I say, like handing somebody how you really feel is like handing them a knife. Yeah, and that's when they can just that was just kind of how I used to feel, and looking back, it was absurd. When I started making movies that mattered to me a little bit more intensely, like Depression the movie or nothing Good Ever Happens or all those. All I noticed was I was like, if I bared my soul, and especially the somewhat or at least the parts I found ugly.

41:39 People were enthralled and more interested. I remember when Depression the movie showed I sincerely and that's one of my most beloved movies. Now, I sincerely thought people were gonna walk out of the movie theater, never wanting to speak to me again. I remember that theater. Theater lit up. They were laughing the whole time. I thought they were gonna find the observational hue were stupid. Yeah, and I was shocked when everybody left. I don't think that that theater had very many quiet moments, except for maybe uh uh uh, how Casterira's story had. Yeah, well, yeah, there's a hefty one, so David Neely's for that matter. Yeah, but that one. Moved really fast. Yeah. So anyway, this is a massive digression, and.

42:20 I don't care. It's fine, No, it's you don't like it, you find some kick. Like it's it's It's one thing to allow yourself to go to those places, but it's a whole other thing to realize that you're recording that you're that you're putting it on record. So I mean, like that's again, like that's just a barrier I had to cross with. It was just like we're doing this fuck it, but it gives you the opportunity to as well. Yeah, it gives the opportunity to to let out some demons. Yeah, and that's important because if we're going to talk about movies, and we're mostly talking about movies that we've already seen that mean a lot to affect us, Yeah, then we're going to have to be emotionally vulnerable to varying degrees, because if we're not, then what I mean, then you become Chris Farley.

43:07 That was cool? Well, it's like this, that was cool. The movie in particular tonight. There is an element of it that has always like horrified me to my core, and that is the idea that you are dead but you can't do anything about it, and you're alive right now, like and you're slowly coming to terms that you are a corpse and slowly morphing into that. As opposed to what made you always laugh, which was the idea of being dead and loving. It and loving it. Mister mista. Well, on that note, why not bury the lead a bit on a highly anticipated episode? I wish I had a shot of whiskey right, Well, you know, that's.

43:49 A whole other problem we can get into next week. Our time is up. Yes, I'll send you a bill. So the Butcher Dinner. God damn it, I count you can write that off your taxes as a medical expense now taxes. So tonight we are talking about as part of our April Showers, our rain theme. We're talking about nineteen eighty four, eighty five, eighty five, eighty five. Yes, Return of the Living Debt. And we want to party. Oh and it's party. It's party time. So it's a film that I feel like everybody's talked about to some extent. It's highly beloved and rightfully so I would not call this film overrated in any any way, and I have minor criticisms of it, and it's not over real.

44:40 Well, and it wasn't one that I necessarily didn't even think of, because I'm pretty sure it was on the list I sent you originally four April Showers. I think maybe I can't remember, but it was one that, like you just said it perfectly. It was just like, do we do we have anything to say about it? But I mean, at the same time, there's a lot to say about this movie still. And at the same time, here's the tricky thing of life. It's like the trailer dilemma. Yeah, you know what people say, like, I hate that trailer gave away everything? Why did they give away the best of the trailer? They did focus groups says meccavoy is a bad guy. That was a really dumb argument. But but they've done studies and when people see a trailer for a movie, they are excited to see the stuff from the trailer in the movie.

45:22 They're not mad that they already know what happens. They're not so and and that's a very important point to keep in mind, is that people they want something new, but they also want something that they're familiar with. And when it comes to talking about a movie everybody else has talked about, that's where there's kind of this conflict because inside of you, there's one part saying like, well, everybody else has done it, so I don't want to do it. But then there's the other part that's like, yeah, but somebody still wants to hear it. Yeah, And that's kind of where I'm at with why I wanted to do that one is like, there's plenty of people who want to hear people talk about returning living dead and on top of that, maybe just maybe some of them will listen to you grow. Well, it's like watching blossom.

46:09 There we go at the end of this month. We have one of my all time favorite movies, and then there's the Only Hands I'm going to give you, and it's like that movie has been talked about incessantly, but I'm so happy and ready to dive into it again. Oh yeah. Well, And that's the other thing that's important to keep in mind about movies and why we love them, is because we can revisit them, and in a way, by revisiting them, you're revisiting that point in time, not only when the movie was made, but when. You yourself watched it exactly. And there's nothing, you know, anybody. Who wants to say, you know, whatever they could possibly say about this episode or us talking about personal life stuff. If you love movies, then you are, without a doubt, an absolute empathy person. Yeah, because I think it was actually Ebert who said that film is an empathy machine, and I connected with when he said that so much, because all we're doing is watching human beings and pretend, and we know they're pretending, and then we want to believe them and empathize with them.

47:10 Well, and I will give a movie. It may not be like a five star film, but I will give a movie major props if I shed a tear for it like that is that is You've done something to me that has made these fictional characters that did not exist until I sat down in your theater or sat down in this seat at home and watched this movie and care about these people like that's a big, big thing for me. If I cried during a movie, you've done your job, even if the movie isn't you know, my favorite, Or. You can be reshowing the American movie and me going, actually, I hate. This, Yeah, there was that, or us watching Phenomena and being like man our Genta is just really loud in this music didn't. Age well for me, No, but I appreciate what people appreciate. So anyway, So we got Return of the Living Dead here, Yes we do. And I have a lot to say about the movie. So Dave take it away, start us up.

48:00 Return of Living Dead nineteen eighty five, one hour and thirty one minutes, RATEDAR for horror, violence and gore, language and nudity. I'med Tobe. Synopsis says when two bumbling employees that a medical supply warehouse accidentally release a deadly gas into the air. Vapors cause the dead to rise again as zombies. Oh but do they get the vapors. They don't get the vapors. Oh, but they can go get the papers, Get the papers. Get the papers, Get the papers. My synopsis, when a deadly gas is released into the air, a small Kentucky town becomes overrun by zombies rising from the ground. Not the same, Yeah, I mean, I mean, what can you can you say? We? I mean, the plot and the details are totally different. I mean, it's it's just zombies rising from the dead.

48:42 But then the details are what make Return of Living Dead Return of Living Dead? Yeah, I mean because in all honesty, as far as the as far as like the direct action goes of this film, not a lot happens. I would say, some people hang out, they say some funny stuff. Yeah. Then they're being hunted by brain eating zombies. Yeah. And then they're hunted morel escape and then they're hunted more. There's That's That's kind of the beauty of this movie, Yeah, is that it took a really interesting direction. It did, and not just in terms of the characterizations and the dialogue, but every direction. I mean, the zombies are very different from any zombies we had seen up until now. They're not George Romero zombies. They're super fast, they're super smart, they can't die basically ever.

49:27 Well, I mean, and we'll get into it as we get into the trivia a little bit more, but like, this is the first like inclination of zombies eating brains and saying that they want to eat brains. So. I had a girlfriend years ago, and we were hanging out and I was in a mood, and I was like, I just want to watch something stupid and and relax. So I put on Return of Living Dead four Cropolis and she had never seen that. Yeah. So and and when the zombie, the first zombie jumps out, it goes brains and she starts laughing and she's like, oh my god, it literally said brains and then went well, yeah, because that's how Return to Living Dead started then, and she was like, I've never seen Return Living Dead and I stopped everything. I was like, well, now we have to watch Return of Living Dead.

50:08 Man, I have dejah vood to this story off. Because you've never seen Return of Living Dead two, which was bizarre t. Wed Dear listener. We had just finished our Stepfather Marathon, Stepfather one, step Father two, Stepfather three, and Stepfather remake. See people hear Stepfather Marathon are like porn hub. Yep, help me Stepfather and we had we had literally just wrapped the remake, which is not a great movie. That that one did not age well for me. But I was getting ready to go, and I can't remember how we on the subject, but we basically on the subject of Return of Leaving Dead part two, and I was like, yeah, I've never seen it, never heard. I heard it wasn't good, and you dead stopped and you were just like what And I was like, yeah, I just I had never seen it and I didn't hear it was good, Like I've seen one and I've seen three, So I figured that was it.

50:50 I mean, you're a you're a you're a black T shirt wearing Alice Cooper. They just literally watched Stepfather three, which is like you the fucking Showtime movie. Yeah, I was. My mind was blown. I was like, how could you, Yeah, you have never seen part two? Well, because i'd heard in which which we you know, that was one of the reasons you showed me the copy. You did because I'd heard that the music had been replaced on the on the Warner Brothers DVD, and it was it was bad studio music. And I'd also heard that like it was it was basically a rehash of the first movie with the same actors and just a little cheaper. I mean, you're not, well, except it was actually more just more expensive. Yeah, but but everybody always said it look cheaper. So like, I was really blown away by how good it was and how funny it was.

51:30 It's super fun yeah, and funny. I mean, it's a lot of people like to dig on that movie by saying that it's like the Police Academy of Zombie movies. I think Ken Weeder Horne said he wanted to. He probably did the Police Academy of Horror Movies. But it is, and it clicks really well when you're a little kid because one of the main characters of the Little Kid. Yeah, my cousin Jeff, he loves Return Link Dead too, because he was that kid's age. Yeah when he saw it. So but no, it's just it blows my mind when people haven't seen that because zombies liking brains yeah, has become in the like horror Mandela effect. It is the Jason using a chainsaw. Yeah, it never happened, but people, key people believe it.

52:11 Yeah. All through the nineties there was always guy with a hockey mask of the chichain saw and it was like you never used them. I'm ninety percent sure, like one of like the early movie Maniac, Jason figures I had a chainsaw with it and that could be it too. That wouldn't shock me at all. Yeah, But but now going back to that, it was. It's funny because three was the one I saw even before return Wow, because because you were a little goth kid, Well, threes play on sci fi all the damn time. Yeah, yeah, I did so. But going back to the movie, tagline only one. This time they're back from the grave and ready to party. I mean it's pretty solid, pretty solid. Yeah. In the trivia, I do have a couple unused taglines that we'll get to, but at this recording. It is currently available to stream on MGM plus, Pluto TV, twov.

52:56 You can also rent it on Prime in van Dango and if you are a fan of the film or a fan of zombie movies, Beautiful four K Beautiful Blu Ray available from Screen Factory. We watched the four K tonight, both of us for the first time. Yeah, on my four K projection system, and wow, yeah, no, big time. I mean I had noticed a lot of details when it came out on Blu Ray that I had never noticed before because this was a movie I'd watched many times. But that was with my interlacing on that TV. I don't want to talk to you. That was the That was it, and then that was the stopping trust. The trust is cut put Did we turn it off? Did you make me turn it off? I can't remember, Okay, I thought you took yeah, yeah, because you were just kind of like, no, it's it's fine as five as like, I can shut that off.

53:38 Yeah, no, it's fine as fine. Let me fix, let me fix movie. For those who don't know what television interlacing is, you're lucky it was on my PS three like that, because that was one of the reasons on the three PS three. No, it was the PS three because I didn't have a TV. It was a monitor. Yes, yeah, yep, I had a giant computer monitors a TV for the longest time. Yeah, I remember. Yeah, So director and writer on the film is Dan O'Bannon. He is the director and writer for Return of Living Dead in nineteen eighty five. He also directs The Resurrected, which is a nineteen ninety one Chris Sarandon Lovecraft film that I have not seen, but I've heard is that's interesting Why I had. It confused with The Unameable because that's a Lovecraft movie. Yeah, and around from around the exact same time.

54:19 But he is also the writer and star of Dark Star John Carpenter's first film in nineteen seventy four. Honestly, that's a fun movie. Alien in nineteen seventy nine. He's a writer on Phobia, Dead and Buried in eighty one, which we may have to talk about that. I really I'm a very big fan of that movie. That's a good movie. Maybe if can we Bury You Alive on the show, If we do Buried. Alive, we've got to do the good Buried Alive? That TV movie. Is good. Have You Medal in eighty one. He writes on Blue Thunder in eighty three, Life Force in eighty five, Invaders from Mars Aliens. He gets character credit on Total Recall in nineteen ninety Alien three, gets character credit Screamers Bleeder in ninety seven, and then from that point he got credited for characters and like all the alien stuff coming out since then.

55:05 Yeah, because he he started a bunch of really incredible franchises. He did unfortunately leave us back in two thousand and nine at December seventeenth at age sixty three from Crone's Disease. Wow, from crone Crones at sixty three. That's young. Yeah, that's very young. Another writer on the film is Rudy Richie. He gets a Ricky He gets his start in nineteen seventy one writing The Affair, then goes on to do The Devil and Sam Silverstein in seventy six, Liberation of Cherry Janoski in seventy six, Returnal Living Dead in eighty five. He gets a story credit on He's also the actor in nineteen sixty eight or The Light of Living Dead sixty eight he plays a zombie. He unfortunately passed March eighth of twenty twelve, seventy two complications from a fall. Was he like, did you have a story credit? Because he worked on the novel. I thinks they were originally supposed to because it was originally a John Russo book called Return of Living Dead.

55:52 He's he's the third to last and then we'll get to the last one. But yeah, Russo is the next one. John Russo is our writer on this. He is the writer of Night Living Dead sixty eight, does the screenplay Liberation Cherry Janoski in seventy six, which he also directs Midnight and eighty two, which he does the novel screenplay before and directs the film. Yes. Then he also does Return of Living Dead in the eighty five, the Majorrettes in eighty six, which is the novel screenplay, and I think the director of that one, which was it, Major Ettes. I'm not sure if you directed that. I don't know if you did or not. Heartstopper in eighty nine, he directs Night a Living Dead ninety. He gets credit on Voodoo Dawn in nineteen ninety, Midnight two in ninety three, videotape Santa Claus nineteen ninety six, He directs screen Queens Scream Queens Naked Christmas in ninety sixty.

56:36 Directs Cause You Love Silly Silly Christmas slasher Ridiculousness with an insane amount of nudity. Yeah, Santa clause like the laws. There's an incredible Santa fingern finger that Yoda, but uh, you gotta check out that blu ray that Terror Vision put out. But you know what DVDU can avoid is in nineteen ninety nine, Night of a Living Dead thirtieth anniversary, do. You remember when we tried to revisit that one? Yes, I do. We stopped. So I'm gonna tell you something real fast. When I was doing my first horror host show, Cult Theater, Yeah, we did Night a Living Dead because every horror host hasts to do Night a Living Dead. Yeah. And one of the gags that we did on that episode was we we did this thing where a little Chiron is what they used to call him, text came up on the screen, yeah over black and just said and now a sneak preview of John Russo's next film. And then it was just a toilet flushing.

57:38 That's mean, but's funny. I was fourteen, yeah, and I was that mad about Night a Living Dead ninety yeah, and Children a Living Dead nine children. Yeah. So see, we could talk about you want to talk about trauma. I don't want to hear about your bullies. Let's talk about John fucking Russo. So Lunatics in Night in two thousand and two, which he directs Night a Living Dead three D, and O SI Dead good Night in twenty twenty one, and The Night They Came Home in twenty twenty four. He's still got some stuff in the cooking right now. Oh he's around. Yeah, and he did that. I mean, I think he produced and he starred in that. My Uncle John is a zombie movie. That's also one. Yeah. Yeah. Last writer on the film is Russell Striiner. He gets his start in as a writer in seventy six on The Devil in Sam Silverstein, which he does the screenplay for Return of Living Dead in eighty five. He's a story credit on and most famously is Johnny and Night of Living Dead nineteen sixteen.

58:26 I mean to get you, Bob and him. Super nice guy. I've met him over the course of twenty five years on and off. Super nice guy. I think I met him about probably about fifteen years ago. He and his brother Gary worked a lot with George Romero during his commercial days. Yeah, and all of that at the Latent Image. Yeah, and Gary was like the nicest guy in the world. He's passed since past but he was the nicest guy in the world. Do we have Is it like there's three people left in the original cast because Kira is still with us, right. Yeah, there's a few people still with us. They're always finding a few more zombie extras. Yeah, because there were just so many, so many. Fine is My cousin Jeff wrote the official home video history of Night of the Living Dead fans. So I've gotten to be around some of the modern Image ten people because they're still kicking.

59:13 Yes, they are so. Cinematographer on the film is Jules Brenner, who gets to start as DP in nineteen sixty nine as On Stony, then goes to do Johnny Got His Gun in seventy one, The Glasshouse, No, not that one in seventy two, Dyllinger in seventy three, Unwed Father, seventy four, Our Time, The Texas Wheelers, Cornbread, Earl and Me Medical Story in The Night That Panicked America in seventy five, seventy six, does Helter Skelter m Okay, then goes to shoot the Million Dollar Ripoff in seventy six, The Amazing Howard Hughes Outlaw Blues the Last Word, and then in nineteen seventy nine, shoots a little mini series called Salem's Lot. Wow, Okay, we're not done, I believe you. Then in nineteen eighty one goes shoot The Killing of Randy Webster in nineteen eighty five, Return of the Living Dead, mcguiver in eighty five pros and cons. Eighty seven, Team Wolf two too, yep, followed by nineteen sixty nine and eighty eight, Not Quite Human two in eighty nine, and then Sins of the Mother in ninety one.

1:00:07 Wow. Yeah, pretty sure career, Yeah, Helder Skelter. Funny enough. I love being a physical media collector because, you know, having a mother who showed, like showed me a bunch of movies, one of which being The Urbs of Tom Hanks. Nice. That movie's not streaming anywhere. Oh yeah, there's a huge rights issues with it currently. I don't know what it is. But Mom texted me a couple days ago and she was like, hey, is the Burbs and Voodoo? And I was like, now, I was like there's a rights issue. She's like, well, do you have it? And I was like yeah. I was like, you want to borrow my Blue ray? And she's like, yeah, that'd be cool took that over to her about three days ago. Last night, I'm coming back from a movie night with a friend and she text me. She's like, hey, do you still have Helder Skelter Because she's reading that Chaos book and also watching that Netflix series right now. So she borrowed not only the nineteen seventy six but also the two thousand and three, which is Jeremy Davies as Charles Manson.

1:00:53 I remember that, dude. It's really good. I remember both of those were really good. Helder Skelter seventy six focuses a lot more on the trial, whereas two thousand and three focus is a lot more on the murders and like the preemptive like build up to it. So I don't talk a lot of positivity about my education, and I have much more fun talking about my lack thereof Yes, but I had a phenomenal English teacher, I believe, my freshman year, and he taught an entire section about Helter Skelter. Oh wow. Not about the crime specifically, although they were he mentions, but about the idea of Charles Manson hearing the Beatles and feeling like that inspired all this crazy stuff. And that was how he explained to us the idea of interpretation of art, and then it led into him giving a huge long thing about Paul is Dead and how he believes in a lot of people. I'm sure too that the reason the Beatles never copped to the Paul is Dead thing was when Charles Manson did all these horrible things and said, the Beatles told me to do it.

1:01:57 They were like, we never hid anything. We're not playful at all. We're very straightforward artists. Yeah, yeah, the Beatles, you know so. But I just kudos to him. He was a He was a really great teacher, and I was enthralled the entire time he lectured about Helter Skelter and all that. I also want to say that it makes perfect sense that the guy shot Helter Skelter and then that led him to Salem's Lot. Yeah, because I will. I will do as many hours as it takes to convince people to watch that original mini series because I think it kind of got shadowed by all the remakes recently. I would say, in a little bit, and that original seventy four miniseries or is it seventy four somewhere in the neighbors so just had it, of course, but seventy nine is that seventy nine mini series still fucking scary, Still scary, It's very scary, still effective, and still like one of Stephen King's greatest adaptations.

1:02:55 Yeah, I would agree. According to Stephen King too. Well, every adaptation, whicheverone just paid him is the best one that ever happened. But yeah, no, that is. I mean, that's a incredible philography. So moving on to our cast, we have mister klu Galligher, who plays Burt in the film Clue is the Goat one and seven or one hundred and sixty five credits. I actually thought it'd be more. I did too, starting in nineteen fifty two with Omnibus. Then he goes on to do West Point in fifty six one A Dead or a live TV series, Have Gun, Will Travel, Laramie Alvert Hitchcock presents the Killers from sixty four, The Virginian, the FBI, The Glasshouse Again not that one, mod Squad, Kung Fu, Ima Mchue, Streets of San Francisco, Barnaby Jones, The Other Side of Midnight, A Force of One.

1:03:37 Falcon Crest. All Roads lead to Falcon Crest. The initiation in eighty four. I love that that movie's fun like a chopping mall. Don't get wrong, great slasher film in a mall, but the Initiation another great slasher film. Chopping mall, having killer robots kind of takes it out of feeling like it's in the slasher category. I could see that, and honestly, smartest move ever because it also doesn't get lumped in and lost with all the slasher movies and it's its own thing. Yeah. I love that. The Initiation has always like one of my like most like memorable scenes is the use of the thing where they slam papers down on the spike. Yeah, yeah, it's called a spike. Yeah. And there's that scene where the PA gets turned on and her hand goes through it and there there's all that blooded and everything just echoing through the mall.

1:04:21 No, no, I I intense I forget what that was a double feature with. I first discovered that from best Buy. Oh god, what was that double feature? Because the Initiation they used to so Anchor Bay did these drive in double features. From now every Top motel mask. It might have been Mountain Top Motel Massacre. I think it is because there was also the pit and something else. Yeah, and that's how I first saw hell Gate and Hellgate yep. And I used to, no joke, there were ten bucks or fifteen bucks brand new back then at best Buy, and they were all released by Anchor Bay. Yeah, and I used to whenever they would come out, I'd go buy it. I'm like fifteen years old, for sixteen, I'd go buy it. And then when everybody went to bed, you know, when my mom went to bed and everybody, I would come in dear the living room and make popcorn and I would sit under the TV watching them and have my own little like movie night double feature with me. Most of the time, I've never seen any of them because I'm like fourteen minutes the first time.

1:05:12 Most of these defeats so bad, Yeah, I know, it's so. Bad, Like I wanted. I actually went out of my way to get a region region a DVD that was outside of the arrow release of Hellgate that somebody was just selling separately, because I was just like, ah, it looks like fun. I'm not. It was terrible. It's not a great one. Night Rider in eighty six, Into the Night in eighty five, the Return of Living Dead in eighty five. Then does Nightmare and Elm Street to Freddy's Revenge in eighty five, followed by Magnum p I, The Fall Guy, North and South From a Whisper to a Scream in eighty seven, My buddy Jeff Burr, The Hidden in eighty seven, Yeah, Tape Heads in eighty eight, I'm Gonna Get You, sucka The Willies, Eddie Presley in nineteen ninety two, one. Of my favorite films of all time. Another one by my buddy.

1:05:54 Burr, puppet Master five in ninety four. Again Burr for the wind Walker, Texas Ranger in ninety five, I mean a classic, takes a hiatus for a little bit and then Feast in two thousand and five. Yeah. Then he goes on to do Purana three, Double D, Children of the Corn, Runaway, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood in twenty nineteen, and Last Give Till It Hurts in twenty twenty two. He also left us in twenty twenty two, August fifth, at ninety three from natural causes. Yeah. He was a legend, legend, and his legend isn't just in film. If you talk to anybody who's actively living in Los Angeles, they knew clue to some extent because He had a seat at at the New Beverly, Yeah, that he always sat in that had a plaque and every point that they put a plaque on the chair.

1:06:38 Yep. So his name was on the seat. And because he would live, he lived there. Basically he would just sit. He would sit in on a million screenings, especially during that period where he didn't work at all. He was just retired. Yeah. I don't think Clue thought he was going to live to be into his nineties. So I think that's why he started acting again in part. I don't know about finances, but just you know, one day he was like, well I did my, I did my you know, six years of just watching movies and hanging out and hell. If you have not seen I think it's called out of print? Is that the New Beverly documentary title? Yeah, out of Print is a fantastic documentary. Features a lot of people from Hollywood, obviously, and there's a huge section about Clue in there.

1:07:21 Yeah. No, he's yeah, he was a legend. Yeah. So next on our list is James Karen, who plays Frank. Two hundred and fourteen credits on his resume. That doesn't shock me. Starting in nineteen forty eight with Philco Television Playhouse, Oh My God, then goes on to be in Car fifty four or Are You in sixty one? Hercules in New York in nineteen seventy, All My Children nineteen seventy, Amazing Grace, Streets of San Francisco, All the President's Men in seventy six, The Blue Knight, Love Boat, capricorn Ie Rockford Files, The China Sindrome in seventy nine, The Jazz Singer The Jefferson's Poltergeis in eighty two. Because he's the man who moved the headstones. Yep, damn right, but he didn't move the bodies. Time Walker in eighty two, Mash in eighty three, Family Ties, Cheers, Return of Living Dead in eighty five, Jagged Edge, Invaders from Mars, Amazing Stories, Wall Street in eighty seven, Sledgehammer in eighty seven. Oh Wow, Yeah nice Yeah, moving on to Girlfriend from Hell in eighty nine, Charles in Charge, The commit or the Willie Is the Larry Sanders Show, Revenge of the Nerds Four Nerds in Love, Don't recommend that one? The Commission Congo Piranha, the Piranha remake in ninety five.

1:08:26 Yeah, I remember him popping up in that. Nixon joy Ride, Seinfeld apt pupil Any Given, Sunday Walker, Texas Ranger, mahaland Drive The Nightmare Room, Superman Returns, American Dad and Cynthia in twenty eighteen. He left us in twenty eighteen October twenty third, ninety four for a cardiac arrest. But you left out possibly his greatest acting accomplishment. What was that? Being the guy in the A and P supermarket commercials. Oh, that's right, yep. That is how he was known. He was everywhere in those ad campaigns. And I shopped at A ANDP when I lived in jeriy because we had We don't have those in Ohio, but we had those in Jersey and amp's gone now. Yeah, And it was the most bizarre thing because the last I think it was before just before COVID, the last time I went to Jersey, A and P was closing everything and me and my buddy Mike went to an AMP and literally the had price tags on the shelving.

1:09:18 I mean it was just everything everything was go. But it was the most like weird and depressing to see a supermarket just that was like synonymous with the East Coast yeah, gone because in the East Coast it was ANP and stopping shop were like everything. Yeah, so I just wanted to mention his contribution to the world of supermarkets. They feature some of his videos of A and P and the More Brains documentary. That's how I first found out about it. Yeah. Tom Matthews, who plays Freddy also in our cast. He gets to start in eighty one on Dynasty eighty two, goes on to be on Falcon Crest All Roads, then stars in The Woman in Red with Gene Wilder in eighty four, Returnal Living Dead in eighty five, Dangerously Close Friday the Thirteenth, Part six, Jason, It is an eighty six, The Dirty Dozen, The Deadly Mission in eighty seven, Mister President, Return of Leaving Dead Part two, Alien from La Midnight Cabaret, Born to Ride in ninety one. Have you heard about this movie? By the way, John Stamos as a motorcycle gang leader.

1:10:14 I mean it sounds awesome. It's in my voodoo because I recently got it in that shuffle that I lucked into and I'm dying to check it out because the cover is him just leaning on a bike with a. Shotgun goddamn right, it is sounds bitching. Blood Batch in ninety one, Nemesis in ninety two, Kickboxer four, The Aggressor, Heat Seeker Er If Looks Could Kill? Not that one blast from nineteen ninety seven, that Rugger Howard terrorist movie that we watched one night about the Pool Team. Oh yeah, yeah, mean Guns in ninety seven, The Peacemaker, Crazy Six Sorcerers, The Vampire Hunter's Club in two thousand and one, Friday the Thirteenth, The Game in twenty seventeen, He Boys, Tommy, Never Hike Alone in twenty seventeen fan film Killer Therapy, Warpath, Final Summer, Never Hike Alone two, and most recently, Go Away in twenty twenty four. Wow, So he's still going.

1:11:00 Oh yeah, Well, I love that he's been reprising his Tommy Jarvis role in fan films, you know, because fun, if they're not going to give us our silly sequels, well then damn it, we're gonna have to make them ourselves. Well, and I you know, it's it's one thing for us to bring up frid thirteenth, The Game. But I don't know if we've ever talked about on this show, but like we were dedicated to that game for a long period of time with good friends. Oh god, yeah, I mean that was that was a We would start at like six pm on a Saturday and go until sometimes four in the morning. I bought a PS four so I could play it, and I got a. PS four as your friend and other friends to play it with you, guys, I got all of our friends to go in and get you a twenty fifth birthday. Yeah, because you want it in so bad I did. No.

1:11:41 I remember, I remember when you fired it up for the first time, and it was it was in you were in a cabin and Jason just came around that back door and I was just like, holy. Shit saw that first year of playing it scared the crap out of me all the time too. No, rip frid thirteenth the game. It recently went offline and we've been missing it ever so, I. Mean, unfortunately, since they couldn't update it anymore. Yeah, it had been kind of the lawsuit killed it unfortunately. Yeah, it had been kind of dead for a while anyway. But there was a time period where we would start to lull and then they'd release a new Jason or they'd release a new map and we'd be. Like whoa or double XP weekends. Yeah. Yeah, used to come over and I'd get the TV out of my bedroom and put it in the kitchen and you'd play on the other side of the house.

1:12:23 You just reminded me I need to download sal Jason video before Facebook takes it down. Yeah, you better. I better. So what was your first time watching Return of the Living Dead? Well, I'll tell you it's a weird way to put it, but I don't remember, okay, because I saw it so young. Yeah that. What I do remember is my mother teasing me by acting like a zombie going And my favorite story about that was one time my mom was laying on the couch and she was like half asleep and I was like, mom, mom, I was five four, my mama, and she just opened her eyes and if your head went right and I dropped to the floor cross. I was so scared.

1:13:04 Yeah, I see. So that was the first time. It had to have been back then. Yeah, but I didn't really like revisit it by like sitting down and really watching it until I caught it on Monster Vision when I was I could have been ten or eleven, maybe twelve. Of Saturday Night goddamn right. And I mean I was really really young, but I remember Joe Bob showing it and I was like, I'm gonna sit down and watch Return Living Dead because two played cable like HBO and stuff a lot when I was a kid. Yeah, and I loved the hell out of it. Then I obtained the DVD when it came out, and then I obtained the DVD bootleg which had the sound from the VHS release all of the soundtrack. Yeah.

1:13:45 So that was the first time I watched it. Was too young to remember, but I really came into adoring it in my teen years once I had that Dvdah, I'd watch it all the time. Any horror NERD friends I made as I got older, I'd be like, dude, do you want to watch Living Dead? But with the original soundtrack because the first DVD had a ton of replaced music that did Now we only have one song. One song missing, which I'm sure there's probably a cut out there that the cut it back in. No, I guarantee it. The only problem is we can't burn a four K diss We cannot. We cannot. My first time seeing it, like I said, I had seen three multiple times on cable by this point, So three was the one that I saw first out of any of them. So I had heard about it.

1:14:25 I'd probably seen like some of the talking heads, like the one hundred scariest moments like on Bravo and stuff like talk about and whatnot. So I was aware of the movie, just never really had gotten a copy of it until I was working at my local bookstore and somebody brought it in with some stuff to sell. Took it home that night, watched it and was just blown away by how much fun it was. Oh, it's a blast. It's just a blast. It moves so quickly. You're talking like it said, ninety one minutes, and it doesn't feel like it like it flies by. Honestly, it feels like it's eighty minutes. Yeah, like it. It feels short. It feels short. Yeah, it's so much fun. It had in sanely dark ending that I didn't expect the first time you watch it. Every time I watch it, I kind of forget, yeah, that that's the ending. Yeah, I kind of forget.

1:15:09 Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it was. It was one that when you see that that that that moment when you see a movie and you're just like this movie's gonna be with me forever now, like there's there's no turning back. I've seen this now, and I want to show other people. This, and I try, although sometimes I fail. I try to watch it on July third, which is technically the day it takes place, because it's fourth of July weekend and all that. So I usually try to watch it on July third, or at the very least share the shot from when it says July third. Well, naturally, party time by forty five Grave that version of it. The way that they end it with the credits, and like, as we said, like the hey last time on the Return of Living Day, it ends like a party. Yeah, it wants you to know that ending credit sequence is meant to like kind of let you know you're supposed to be laughing. Yeah, that it was meant to be a thrill ride with lots of humor and lots of of sardonic wit and lots of weird east.

1:16:00 Yeah, you can't. You can't get out of this movie not having a good time with it. It's just it's you to try. Yeah, It's it's so much fun, and it's like it is the epitome of a zombie movie that you want because it's a scary zombie movie but also has the laughs, has the gore, has thrills, chills and chemical spills. Did you just come up with that? Yeah? Thank you. No, I'm impressed. All right, I'm impressed. As Enrique said, we do open on July third, but before we do that, we get to a title card that says, the events portrayed in this film are all true. The names are real names of real people and real organizations. Which I wonder how the lawyers, I think it was oriyon, I wonder how they they felt about that. Yeah, I mean I would guess that the argument was made that, look at this movie, there's no way I mean, it's literally the dead rising from the ground and stuff. So they were like, nobody's gonna believe that. But yeah, it does the opposite of where it'll say like this is based on a true story, but the names have been changed or whatever. No, no, it just says like these are all real events, this really happened. These are the real names, the real businesses, everything that kills me. That and that kind of sets you up because if you don't know what you're getting, you're like what is this what?

1:17:12 Yeah. Well, and a lot of the people who were watching it were expecting a Night of the Living Dead Seacret, yeah, which is what the novel they had originally bought the rights to was. Which I'll get into that in the trivia too about all that, because I mean it's a lot, it's a huge it's a huge thing. Because I don't think people realize that Romero's dead saga. I guess we can call it out at this point. Yeah, had a lot of legal litigation to. It, well, yeah, because Russo and Romero wrote the screenplay together. Yeah, and they had a bit of a falling out. Yeah, to the point where Russo was like the only person originally in Image ten who's not in Image ten. Yeah, it just kind of happened that. It's just interesting that, like people automatically, I think sometimes think this movie is in that and in that canon, and it's technically not.

1:17:59 Well for it's Return of the Living Dead of course, then there's return to Horror High. Yeah, and I mean there's a Horror Higher. The Killers Tomatoes, Well, that was a sequel. David Son of So. We open on July third, nineteen eighty four, five thirty pm. Eastern daylight time at u Vita chemicals you need that, you need a yeah, medical supplies, not chemicals. It's okay. Yeah, you know you're just still riding high on your on your turn of phrase. And chemicals spills. No, it's it's it's good. But I'm gonna leave now. No, it's fair, it's fair. You go ahead, and I'll just uh, I'll just do my Yoda Freddie voice.

1:18:39 So we're in Louisville, Kentucky, and we are meeting uh Frank as he is introducing Freddie the new guy to basically the rundown of things, as Bert, the owner of the facility, is leaving for the day, and. Uh, what's the uh the other guy who works the guy who works for Bert, Oh, Frank, Frank, Yeah Frank, it's his nephew. Yeah, that had he's showing the ropes because they need warehouse help. Yeah, and I can have you worked warehouse? Uh no, you would, you would know, not up put it this way, not as a like job job. I was. I've been paid undo the table to work like a couple of warehouse jobs back in college. But like that, shipping and receiving and stuff packing creates. Yeah, I worked my first job. I had a lot of jobs because I worked at a distribution company and we had a warehouse and a lot of times if they were really busy in the in the catalog department where we would send we sold movies. We shipped movies to other distributors, to stores, and to individuals. So I spent many days picking and packing is what you know, what they call it. And I love the opening of this movie because it captures so well your first day at a job, where it's like you got the young guy who's like trying not to mess it, mess it up because he needs a job, really, and then the old timer who's just like I just want to laugh or whatever.

1:19:57 I've been here for twenty five goddamn years. I mean, Tom Matthews and James Karen are what make this movie. I mean, all the characters are great, but their camaraderie in the beginning and then adding Burton to the mix later on, it just is what makes this movie so much fun. It's one of the arguments for why they brought them back. Yeah part two, I see. They were such an incredible part of it, although in that one they're grave grave robbers. But it works so well, Oh, it's same jokes. Watch your tongue if you like this job, like this job. Yeah, it's after something really heinous happens that watch your tongue if you like this job, like this job. So Frank has taken Freddy through the ropes. He's shown them the skeletons, the ones that have perfect teeth going over male and female and all this stuff. And also spinning a little bullshit for fun too, like saying like, I think there's a skeleton skeleton far yeah, and then he's like oh, he's like, ah, come on, yeah.

1:20:43 And then when he makes it and I love too when he when Freddy adds the levity, Yeah, he's just like, why kid, you're learning. So it means very funny. Shows him that they have medical specimens for for vets, like they've got to dogs cutting halfs split dogs, split dogs. They've got all kinds of of dead butterflies are on the wall, they've got cadavers in the fridge. There's a little bit of everything in this place. Yeah. Well, and it makes sense because working in a medical supply house you have to get very comfortable with all the weird stuff very quickly. Yeah, and I love how the production design is so solid in this movie because if you look in the background, which you really can in the four K on ynd one hundred and twentyeth screen, you see like there are boxes that just say like five hundred milliliter beakers, because that's the other stuff you would need. It's just your bread and butter.

1:21:29 Would be stocking skeletons, stocking corpses and cadavers. Yeah. Which, the funny thing is, I know I'm getting old because when he was saying, like, you know, we usually have more, but we only have one. We're waiting on a shipment on Monday. He's like, you know what, you don't want to overstock. You don't want your It's like the food business. You don't want your inventory to lose its freshness. But my first thought, now that I'm older, my first thought was like, oh my god, the regulatory paperwork to run a place that's selling it must be a nightmare. Yeah, no kidding. So all of this going on, we also catch up with Freddy's girlfriend Tina, who is with the Friends of Freddy, which includes suicide and trash and who else I'm trying to remember then and Rudolph Chuck and Spider and Scuz.

1:22:18 Scuz now and these guys are about as stereotypical punk rockers eighties punk rockers as you can get. Yeah, they have a ton of varying styles, which I like, You've got, you know, guys who've got like the piercings out of control. You've got the guys who are just like wearing the wristbands and the cut off jackets, giant trench coats, giant trench coats. You've got some people got mohawks, some people got just tall kind of flock of seagulls hair. You've got like it ticks like every box. Yeah. And then the young woman who's Freddy's girlfriend, in my opinion, doesn't fit at all with the group. Beverly Randolph and Juwel Shepherd really are like the ones that stand out most because they're they're dressed nothing like the group. Jewel looks like a punk a little bit.

1:23:02 She's got that kind of flock of seagulls looking haircuts. He's a party girl. Oh sure, sure, yeah, but no, but but the uh what was the other girl? Tina? Tina's wearing like pants up to her belly button and a shirt and a jacket and a hair thing like, she just doesn't look like this is her crowd. Yeah, no, it does not. And when you look at Freddie, you know, Freddie's supposed to be working, but he's working a warehouse job. So he's wearing a sleeveless shirt, he's got a little rat tail on the back of his hair, he's got leach top hair, and he's got one earring yep. So you can kind of see like, oh, maybe he's just not as ostentatious as the rest of the rest of them. Ye, or he's just dressing down because he's like, it's a job. It's a warehouse job, so I don't have to like cut my hair, but I can't show up wearing like a spiked bracelets and leather jackets.

1:23:47 So they're driving to meet Freddie because Freddie gets off at eight. Is that the a ten? I think this is a ten to ten Okay, yeah, So he gets off at ten. So they arrive at eight o'clock and they and they're like, well, I'm not going to see it for two hours, is what Suicide says. He's the one driving the car, and that's when I think it's uh, I can't remember if it is, uh, Spider or Scuzzet says let's go there, and there's a cemetery right across. And they're all like, oh man, not again. Well at first they say like we can always go this place or this place, like no, man, the cop said if they if we go back to that place, they'll shoot us. And you know cost gas? Do you have money for gas? Oh? It was like we could always drive around. It's like you want to buy some gas. So by Unita there is a cemetery that they decide to go ahead and break into. Yeah pretty easily, Yeah, very easily. The place is clearly not often used anymore. It's pretty, it's pretty unkempt. And yeah, they busted there. And I love that trash played by Linea quickly she is the dark girl, so like when she's she's already talking about like death and this and this and this, and then when they say like that, everybody goes, oh, I'm not the seven, and she goes, let's do that. I love the way she her her deadpan delivery, especially because that's so not Linea and everything else.

1:24:53 Oh yeah is so great, let's do that, just very flat direct. So they break into this military Meanwhile, back at at the medical supply, we are seeing that Frank and uh, well like the name Frank and Freddy. Frank and Freddy are sitting down, they're doing paperwork, and that's when they get into a discussion about. Have you ever seen that film Night of the Living Dead? And he basically tells him like it was a true story. He's like, but they showed zombies taken over the world. He's like, well, the change it all around. Also love that, he says it so simply just like they they told the filmmaker that if he tried to tell the true story, they just sue his ass off. And I'm like, I mean he's like violating government confidence. Yeah, but I like that.

1:25:40 It's just soon as his as well, because this is so that second hand. You know, it's Friday. We're kind of goofing off like work is going to be over soon, you know. It's it's it's the vibe is so Friday. Oh yeah, and they've set up it's. A holiday weekend, holiday weekend. You know. Bert's leaving. He literally says like, you know, I'll see you at the barbecue on Sunday. He says, you know, I won't miss it, and then he goes, hey, just do me a favor. Whatever you do, don't name it after me. You know. He's so he's clearly like that boss who's just kind of I'm sure he can be pretty intense, but it's like it's the way you cand, like, just get the work done, get the. Hell out of out here. So that's when they get into the topic of triox in two four five.

1:26:21 Two four fives and the chemical that he claims is what started the zombie he started because they were developed it to spray on marijuana. I love the thing. Never explained why. Yeah that that that is always one thing I do like that Marijuana's brought up and then never talked about it again. The army it was for spraying on marijuana. I'm assuming to kill the marijuana, would guess maybe, because why would the military want to preserve marijuana plants or or to poison in marijuana. But even then it's like, what would the purpose? Yeah, but just by throwing that in there, though, it makes it even more of one of those like urban legend tall tales because now you've involved because remember this in the eighties in Illicit Rug Connection two, which just makes everybody's ears per cup.

1:27:03 Well, on his delivery of you know, well what happened, he's like, how typical government fuck up? I love I love that line delivery. Yeah, yeah, because because he's like, how do you know if it's such a secret, and he says, typical government fuck up. They took all the soil and the corpses and everything, and they they put him in barrels for them, in barrels. They sent them away to keep it a secret. And he's like, well, how do you know, He's like, typical government fuck up. They sent some of those barrels here, which I love because what also, but then when when he says like do you want to see it, yeah, they go down they're all there there down there. With military stamping and property. If you see this number or if you see this, call this number. And I love the simplicity of the barrels. Just say property of the Department of the Army yep. And I'm not saying that that's the wrong wording, but it's just so like, well, there's no there's no misreading that.

1:27:51 So that is when Frank takes an entire roll of paper towels, mind you, sprays them with some windecks and wipes off the canistry as he lifts the lid and you see a corpse inside there. Now, I want to say, because you you singled out wiping the canister with the whole roll of paper towels. This is a wonderful example of an actor. I'm betting he came up with that. Yeah that it wasn't something, because there's a lot of good improv in this movie. But that's one of those great examples of an actor making one little choice that everyone remembers forever. Picks up on. Yeah. Yeah, so he wipes it down. We see a corpse inside, and that's the cause. Is Freddy task you know? Well, like, you know, is there any worry about leakag She's like, oh no, these things are tight, you know, US government slaps it.

1:28:33 He says, these were designed by the US Car Army Corps of Engineers. Slaps it and then the gas is released. And they start coughing, fall into the floor, and we get into the opening credits of the Return of Living Dead and and one of the best themes. As a child, that was the funniest joke in the world. Oh yeah, there's something so great, especially when you're young, you know, when you got a little bit simpler that the idea of somebody saying something and then immediately it being negated. Well, and I didn't expect it when I was watching for the first, you know, And he slaps it and then it just completely breaks like that, and we just go into everything. I'm like, oh shit, I'm so in. And the the trioxin theme song is amazing. Bump bump bump, bomb, bump bump bum And we get to see that this this gas is getting all over them. We see all of this this stuff happening. And now when they wake up, they look really sick.

1:29:23 They look sick, they're still coughing, they're gagging, and that's when he's like, you know something, something's not right. So they make their way back up the steps and we start to hear some animal sounds, strictly dogs. The whining dogs. Whining dogs. What the hell is that? And we make our way over to the the split shelf and one of the dogs, actually all of them, they are alive and moving. They're moving. Well, what happens they'd already fallen over from moving and and the reveal is great. He goes to check this dog and when he lifts it up, the other side is gone because it's been split in half. Yeah, they're freaked out, obviously, And I love how the little touches, like when they run past all of the pinned butterflies are there, and there's this sound of a heart to like kind of make it seem done, you.

1:30:04 Know, simply with a fan. That's the one thing I loved that I picked up on. They just blew a fan right at the right at them. Makes sense, Yeah, I mean it would work, That would work. So it's it's a great touch. So now we're realizing that basically anything that's dead, regardless of how dead it is, because like if you're cutting half, you know, I mean, I don't care how good a veterinarian you are. So we hear the cadaver going crazy in the freezer, and they're freaking out about that. And I mean basically anywhere they look in this facility now is alive. Yeah, anything that can be alive. I mean basically the only thing not moving is that skeleton because there's. No meat yet, no meat. So that's when we cut back to the cemetery. We uh, we find spider and trash and chuck and Casey and Scuys all having a good time, and Trash even asking you know, have you ever thought about dying?

1:30:49 Well, she had earlier said something about death in the car, and now she's saying like, do you ever fantasize about being killed? And he's like dying? No, no, And then but it's great, she doesn't even react no to his response no. So she just says like, I imagine a bunch of old men pulling at me and tearing and tearing at me and eating me alive. And then she says like, but first they tear off my clothes, and she just rips her rips her clothes off, and I love the line. I'm certain that it was Adyrd later, but there's a great line where you just hear off camera somebody gets some light over here Trash is taking off her clothes again. And so then Trash goes to dance on the tombstone. One of the most famous scenes of the movie with the SSQ song Oh my God, I just blame on the title make Love Till We Die, Thank you. Yeah, I was actually listening to it earlier today, done by Stacy Q. Oh yeah. But one of the most memorable scenes of the movie. They're surrounding it. She's taking everything off and just dancing on top of this. Uh bzz not mausoleum, it's a crypt. It's a crypt. Yeah, thank you.

1:31:50 And she is a Barbie doll. She has a Barbie doll. There is a piece of plastic, yes or latex, covering her goods. And there's a lot of funny stories of out that. There might be some of the in the trivia later there better be one of the fust silliest things you ever hear of. So by this point, Freddy and Frank realize that that something is wrong. Obviously that everything's back alive, they're not feeling so great, so they have to call Bert. So we find out that Bert. Bert is just kind of like what what? So he shows up, and the big problem they're trying to deal with because they don't realize that this is gonna be a giant problem like me, is that the cadaver appears to be alive. Bert is just I love how one of Burt's first things they told you never to fuck with those canisters. So they start making a plan. They're like, well, in the movie, you had to destroy the brain, right, and I love this part because it's a great example of the movie's comedic time, which is very good, because he says like, we got to destroy the brain, and then he's and then uh, Freddy's like, how do you how do you crack open a brain? Or how do what do doctors used to crack open a brain? He's like surgical drills?

1:32:57 And then Burt just walks with hair. Hold this frank and he just hands him pick ass ye. But it's like it's funny because he's answering the question physically. Yes, he's like, surgic cool drill. Here, hold this frank. He's like, So they get Freddy to go over unlock the lock on the door, and so they pull it open. The corpse comes out, comes at him and charges right at uh Burt. Burt think, what's great about that is Bert has gone to like the other side of the damn room. Yes, he's making the workers do the work and open it. And what happens the moment the door opens, He runs only toward Burt, only toward Burt, tackles him into a skeleton. Toward anybody else anywhere near him, straight to him, knocks him into a bunch of skeletons trying to kill him. They have to wrestle this thing off. They hold it down, and finally Bert gets his hands dirty and he puts the pick axe right through the head. And another great moment in the movie because he hits him and it's still screaming, and.

1:33:46 The davers stuck to the ground screaming, and he's like, you gotta hit the brain. That is the fucking brain. I hit. It's wonderful anytime. Klu Gulligher says, anything angry is so fine. So then they end up getting a saw sawing neck off, which then frees the cadaver and goes chasing his body just starts running around with the head still stuck to the ground even more. And that's when we really realize that we're not dealing with the zombies established in either Living Dead or Dawn of the Dead, which had already come out, because Day of the Dead actually came out the same year, yeah as this one, actually I think, in the same summer. But we're now it's become clear these are not the same. They're almost impossible to kill, possibly totally impossible to kill.

1:34:27 And what can be done? M hm. So now he says I wonder Ernie Cockden Brunner or Coughtin Bruner, I know, execondly say it and he says, he's the guy who owns the crematorium across the street. He usually works late. Let me see, Oh, yep, he's up. Yeah, he looks at the window. He's like, his light's on. He's in. He's like, uh, what do you think you could do? He's like, we could use the crematorium and like that's a great idea. Yeah. And then he's like, do you think he'll go for it? And he's like, well, we've been friends for almost twenty five years. He might he might do it just out of friendship. I don't know. We got to figure something out. So he's like, uh, let's saw it up. So they saw the corpse up. They're carrying it through the cemetery over to the mortuary. Body parts each an individual trash bag. Yep. And we also see that the gang and the cemetery sees them and and it's like, hey, is that Freddie? No, I can't be Freddy. Why would he be going to the mortues?

1:35:11 How do you know what's'lt Freddy? Because why would Freddy be going into a mortuary. So we meet Ernie and he is just smoking his pipe. He's got his headphones on, listening to classical music and he's in balming a corpse, just having his Friday night. I know, I did not see that coming. Yeah, we'll get to that too. There's this in one of the many Easter eggs that's really interesting in this movie. So Bert sneaks in and it startles him and he actually pulls a luger on him and he's like oh, He's like, Bert, you know, I'm sorry. And luger is a pistol for those who don't know German German pistol. So he pulls it on him and he's like, you know, I don't sneak all on me on like that, and he's like, hey, you want some coffee. They kind of strike up conversation and slowly he's just like, I got a favor to ask, and then he's like, my, my guys are outside. I love about when he says I got a favorite to ask, but I need a question. He's like, you know you can count on me, Burt. Yeah, like, don't worry about it. Also love that it's Bert and Ernie, Burt and Ernie but he says, like, you know, I need help. He's like, of course, what's up? And he's like I got my man out. He's like, oh no, that's it, just walking into this mortuary.

1:36:07 So he lies and says they have rabbit weasels, and he's not really going for it. Another moment forever though, he just says, what's in the bag? He goes rabbid weasels, like he just came up with it, like like like maybe in the back of the body's like maybe he won't even ask what's in the back. Yeah, of course he's gonna ask what's in the bag. So eventually they get him to look in the bag because they dump out the severed arm of the cadaver right in front of him, coming alive and grabbing his leg. Yeah, and he has to it rips his pant leg, cuts the pant leg off, and just kind of he's in shock for a second. Oh yeah. So now they've kind of smartened him up to what's going on. And then because initially they were like we want to use a creamatory, he's like, burn them alive. He's like, yeah, that's why I thought. He's like that's just hideous, Like we can let me take him out back and shoot him.

1:36:52 So meanwhile, while this is happening, Tina gets the idea that she wants to go check on Freddy because it's ten o'clock by this point, he's late, So she makes her way over to the supply house and goes down into the basement, where she finds the most memorable character of the film. I was actually gonna say, one of the most iconic zombies of all time. Yeah, No, you're right, you're right, known. As the tar Man. Yes, and this is a zombie that is appears to be covered in tar. Basically, he's covered in this black goop because when the when the canister first opened, we showed that the corpse kind of started melting because it was being exposed to air for the first time and god knows how long. Yeah, so this thing tries to go after her, tries to kill her.

1:37:36 She runs up the stairs and trying to escape. It's very very It's one of the scariest scenes in the film. Yeah, is this woman facing down the tar Man and his movements are almost as iconic as the maker. Shout out to Alan Troutman, who is the man that plays the Tar Man in this. I mean it's it is one of those, like you said, iconic monsters, but like it, it gets scarier no matter how many times you've seen this, Like, this thing is terrifying, even though it's literally just a thing of sludge with teeth. Well, because its teeth and its eyes are white, yes, and everything else is jet black. And it also has a guttural voice that likes to say more brains. And they hired the actor you mentioned. He was a dancer, yeah, and very very skinny yep, which was brilliant because they could build up his body to make him look like he's emaciated. Skeleton also did work with the Muppets. Oh, I believe it.

1:38:26 Yeah. So Tina is chased out by Tarban Tarman is then locked into the basement for the time being, or at least for the time so she gets out, but then back at the crematorium, they decide that they're going to go ahead and move forward with burning these and he wants them to be completely gone. No ashes. The heart is the hardest thing because it's just one giant muffle muscle and everything. So he's just like, well, we'll just turn the heat up real. High, and I want to say, watching the movie now as a man almost forty, Yeah, I really respect Bird and Ernie's friendship element cause there's a part where he says, like, you know, what do I get. He's like, what do you want? He's like, that's a pretty big favor. He's like, well, I owe you one may He's like, all right, okay.

1:39:09 So but as they they're talking about doing this bizarrely heinous things, it's like, I don't want there to be any evidence of this at all. He says like, well, you know, there should be nothing but a little you know, the heartsires thing about and he's like, well, we don't want that. He's like, then I'll turn it up higher and burn it up. He's like, they'll just be asked. He's like, we don't want to as he's like, they'll turn it up higher and burn up the ashes. So he's like being a good friend in a really weird situation. While this is going on, you've got poor Frank and Freddie off to the side that are starting to feel the effects of what have happened. Yeah, they're getting paler and paler their eyes at Dark Circle. And Frank actually makes a comment because he's looking at the oven and he makes a comment of some favor, Yeah, some favor I could I could run the damn thing. Yeah, there's a lot of foreshadowing. There's a lot of foreshadowing. Yes.

1:39:49 One thing that's very clear about Returning to the Living Debt is that the screenplay was solid. Yeah, and that's Dan O'Bannon. Because Dan O'Bannon was a solid screenwriter. As a director, I think that overall he was serviceable. I think or Return of Living Dead rather, I think is a phenomenal movie. His direction from a cinema cinema standpoint, yeah, very simple, but his understanding of great characters, his understanding of like placing the actors, the blocking is really great. Because one thing I noticed about twenty years ago now watching it one time was there's very little coverage. There's very little close up shots. It's almost entirely done from master shots, which are wider shots. But it'll while that is kind of, you know, technically boring, it's not because the actors are engrossing you. The dialogue is so snappy, They're they're timing is great.

1:40:44 Yeah. They it's almost like a stage play some of the scenes because it's just everybody coming and going and coming and going and saying their lives. Every scene leads into the next scene. Oh yeah, Well, and that's the secret to a great screenplay. Yeah, but also to being great editor, because in post production and you gotta trim the fat. And I've never heard and I could be wrong, but I've never heard Dan O'Bannon bitch that they cut stuff he didn't want out of it. There's never been a director's cut. So I think Dan looked at the movie very realistically and was like, no, it's got to move, it's got to be interesting, it's got to keep the audience's attention, and his humor is just is what makes this movie stand the test of time. Yeah. So Ernie eventually turns on the oven. They burn everything up. We see a plume of smoke go into the sky.

1:41:26 That starts having some rainfall in the cemetery. Well, we have the same theme play again, Yes, we do that played when the gas first escaped. Oh excuse escape escaped. I was trying not to cough into the microphaction. There you go. But it goes up into the clouds. A thunderstorm starts out of nowhere, and as the rain is falling, we see the water go through the dirt down to an old coffin and drip on the foot of a corpse. It's so one of the big things in cinema is show, don't tell. Whenever possible, you should show and not tell. That is a phenomenal example of show and don't tell. Yeah, so naturally things the cemetery start coming alive, and the gang by this point when it starts raining, run back to Suicide's car. His car won't start, so they decide to go and join Tina at the chemicals or at the medical facility. They get there, she's still in the basemin with Tarman because she tried to run up the steps and fell, So they go down and save her, and Suicide ends up getting it from Tarman. They eventually run away, go back upstairs, and now they're safe for the time being.

1:42:32 Well, and another thing worth mentioning of a massive difference between this and most other zombie films. Yeah, especially the Romero movies. These zombies are literally raising from the grave. Yes, they're in advanced levels of decomposition, oh my, And that really adds a lot to the horror and the nightmarishness and the bizarreness. So the group has not seen the zombies by this point. They only know about Tarman, so they are in the facility. They've got him to and care of. Meanwhile, back at the mortuary, everything's been burned. They're you know, the they're home free. Bert's so happy, he's shaking Ernie's hand. He's like, you know, I owe you one. He's like, all right, guys, let's go back to the facility. And that's when Frank and Freddie are just like, we're really sick. We're really sick.

1:43:13 Like my head feels like it's gonna explode. I can feel like I could puke at any second. And by this point they're lifeless. Yeah, they have no color in their skin, yeah at all. So Ernie calls for an ambulance. The ambulance comes over. They can't get any vitals on them, they can't get any any pulse. Well and one of the This is another great subtle moment too. Obviously, Bert wants to protect his business. That's why he's doing this. He doesn't want the police or the army showing up and tearing his business apart. Ernie's the same way. He doesn't want his business to be hurt by this, but he is a good friend to Bert. Yeah. So there's a great moment when Ernie they both agree after looking at the guys, are like, we. Got a call. He's got to call the ambulance. Yeah. Well when he calls him, the look at his pager goes where he says his funeral home. He yeah, around back, around, back, memorial. Yeah.

1:44:00 Like as he's saying that, you could see him going like, I hope this doesn't bring me a bunch of. Trouble, and he goes poisoned. I don't know what, but two men poisoned, men poisoned well, and he doesn't know who exactly. So yeah, but I always like that moment because there's that moment where they're both like, all right, we tried to keep a lid on this, but these guys are really sick. Yeah. So eventually the paramedics arrive and they indicate that like they don't have heart beats, they don't have pulses, their temperatures are at their body temperatures are room temperature at seventy each. And their tongues are a shade of orange that generally you only get from drinking orange. Julia, Yes, so by this point, they're like, you know, you guys are no longer alive, like, but you're still conscious, So like this is really strange, Like. You're not dead, Like, yeah, that's why not dead. He's like, obviously you're not dead because you're responding to us, but something is making you appear to be dead.

1:44:46 Yeah. So by this point, the other group have decided that the medical facility place is not safe because of Tarman. They're running back into the cemetery, and now they're running into all the new friends, including Trash, who falls into a mud puddle and is submerged by the the trioxin. And the zombies at the same time because the rain is carrying the chemical. Yeah. And I also want to mention a great thing about Freddy and uh why Frank, thank you. It's good. One of the big things about them that I love is they didn't go with the bitten trope. No, they are exposed, but we still get that kind of like we know something low. We know that they're and they were exposed heavily heavy chemical right compared to everybody else.

1:45:27 But there is also this understanding when you watch the movie a few times that probably everybody is eventually going to turn because they were all exposed to that rain. Yeah. So the paramedics go back out to their ambulance and that is when they are ambushed by zombies and Eden and How and How and then dispatch comes over and they're just like, you know, hey, you know, is everything okay over there? And Dispatch send more paramedics. The zombie says, send more paramedics. And I love that too because again, iconic moment. Yeah, but it also establishes so these zombies have Yeah, they have the ability to speak, at least some of them. I mean we saw the Tarman speak, but he was rudimentary. Yeah, he just wants brains. Yeah, this guy, this dead zombie corpse guy, knows to pick up the radio, turn it on and say send more paramedic yep. And later on when there's police, send more police.

1:46:17 Yeah, some more cops. So by this point, the group has made it into the mortuary, which alerts Ernie because he's just like, what the hell is going on? So he goes out there, ready and armed to shoot, sees that it's the kids, lets them in and that's when they're like, there's hundreds of them. Are you crazy? Are you on PCP? Yeah. Well, and and in defense of an indefensible man like Ernie, which we'll get to. Yeah, they do. They're a bunch of hoodlums. Yeah, so it does look like they're causing trouble. Yeah, but they're screaming like we're going to die. So he's like, he lets him in, but but he has his gun out and he's saying, are you crazy? Are you on PCCP. So by this point they're barricading themselves in the mortuary because now everything is surrounding them in this whole thing. Scuzz ends up getting killed by this half torsoed zombie bites into his head, sprays blood everywhere, and then they're boarding up the windows and by this point they've also poured that corpse in which Ernie takes a stab at and is like holding two.

1:47:09 Well, it's actually kind of brilliant because what Ernie does, he takes the stick and he sticks it right between her rib cage onto her spine. Yeah, knowing that that means no matter what she does, she can't move because he's got a point of perfect balance. And if you haven't seen the movie, this corpse is so it's like a skeleton with little skin left and it is literally cut at the spine. Well what they pulled it in? I think it just broke it broke it half yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's when they decide that they can try and learn something from it. They tie the creature to the table. It's Ernie's idea, I interrogate it, yeah, because Ernie probably has a very interesting pass he does. So that is when the corpse explains that reanimated corpses can feel themselves rotting and the only thing that stops it is brains. Eating brains numbs the pain and lets them feel alive for just a little bit.

1:47:57 And while that is not expanded on in part two because part two is not really even the same universe. Yeah, and part three, they actually go into this idea that they crave brains because they get electro magnet response. Basically, they like, well that's a whole other thing about making but that it's the synapses. Eating the synapses, it like makes their pain receptors reduce and it also powers them to an extent. And granted two or three is not exactly canon either. There's a lot of differences there too, but man, uh, the scene where they interrogate the zombie another moment where it's like, holy crap, because getting to know what the zombie's motivation is yeah, is crazy, yes and great.

1:48:42 So by this point we cut back to the cemetery and we see reanimated trash rise from the grave and. We hear make Love Till You Die again as she stands up. We don't see her face now, just see her sexy about eight yep. And she stands up, wanders outside of the cemetery end of the street where a homeless man is who completely sets eyes on her, but she runs right at him and feasts yes, and we notice that her jaw yes is unhinged, like it's gigantic, so ridiculous, eight times the size of a normal job. So Frank and Freddy still showing signs of becoming zombies. By this point, Tina is at Freddie's side, and that's when they are locked in the chapel accompanied by Tina, and she refuses to abandon Freddy. She's just like, no, I'm not I'm going to stay with them, because by this point they're like this isn't safe, like they're they're showing signs.

1:49:27 And they're and they're even trying to miss like we're not gonna kill them, We're not gonna hurt them. We just want to put them somewhere so we don't have to worry about that. Well, we can figure out how to get the hell out of Harriet. So she refuses to leave it. Freddie then is like, you know, he's he's talking to her a little bit, and then slowly he just starts to transform and has the most chilling line where he's just like, you know, I feel like I can smell you're break. And at this point they're locked in the chapel. Yes, Freddie Frank and his girlfriend are locked in the chapel. So now he's chasing after she's screaming, trying to get away. Like we said, the movie starts to book it really, Yeah, and it's all about how things happen more than what for the moment most part. Yeah, but yeah, he wants to eat her brains and it's. Chasing her through the chapel and all. By this point too, we've had two cops show up and they get completely taken over by the zombie.

1:50:09 And there's a great line where Ernie sees it happen. Yeah, this place is a black hole. Yeah, everyone that comes in gets swallowed up. And I think also by this point Ernie has done the barricade. That's hurt his foot. His foot is broken. Yeah, he's broken his foot so he can't run for it. Yeah, because their new plan is to steal the cop car. When they figure out that the keys aren't just in the ignition, the engine is still running yep, so they're gonna go for it, but Ernie can't go and it's got the broken foot. And I love it when they decide they're going to go for the car because Ernie says says uh, says Burt, and he's like yeah, He's like, you know that favor you owe me. He's like yeah, man, he's like watch your ass out there. Yeah. So Spider and Burt get into the car. They are mobbed by zombies at first and can't really get anywhere near so they decide to break out in the street.

1:50:52 They're gonna go and try and call somebody, And as they get out into the street, another zombie horde is now completely out there. And real quick. We would be remiss to not mention. Spider is played by Miguel Nunez Yes, who also famous for Friday thirteenth Part five, Goddamn in Chilada. Great actor. He's been in a ton of movies and but this was really what kind of started his career. He tells a great story about how he was homeless when they cast him and he was debating giving up on his dream. I love that stuff. But Miguel is so underrated in so many ways as an actor. Well, he has one of my one of my favorite scenes when him and Ernie is He's freaking out at this point, like you know, they they've gotten back in it didn't go well.

1:51:33 And everything. So Ernie hits him on one side and then comes back again and hits him on the other. Him the second Yeah, with his other hand when his face turns, And that was what I was getting at, is him and Ernie's dynamic is funny. But him and Bert oh so good. He hates Burt Yeah for no apparent reason, even calls him a stupid honkey when. Yeah, it's so good. Yeah, because they realize that they cannot drive through this giant group of corpses. They also realized that they couldn't. Originally, their plan was to pull the car right up to the exit of the mortuary, Yeah, and get them in no chance. The zombies are just all over. So by this point Ernie has blinded Freddy by throwing acid into his eyes. So Freddy has become even more heinous looking because his eyes have melted. He just has red where his sockets are well.

1:52:17 In another great moment, because Ernie's trying to figure out how to survive this, at one place, says, what about this sulfuric acid. It'll pretty much dissolve anything. And they're like, but you only have one jar of it, and he's like, yep, yep, Like we don't have enough to do anything. Yes, he's just trying. He's trying to do so all this chaos is going on. We then cut back to the crematorium where Frank has decided that he's going to end it himself, and he made the comment earlier that he can run the damn thing, pulls out the tray in the oven, puts his takes his wedding ring off and kisses it, places it on the button, climbs inside, pulls the door shut or pushes the button in the door goes shut, and he just eliminates himself. He cremates himself. Yeah, and unfortunately he was not aware that that is what spread the trioxy.

1:53:06 Yep. So it's extra. It's extra sad because he's also like kind of dooming everybody. Extra, but it's also a really sweet moment because he sees what happens to Freddy and he doesn't want that to happen. No, he doesn't want that to happen all and then even more so, by this point, zombie forces have now completely surrounded the mortuary, led by Trash, and that prompts Ernie and Tina to hide into an attic, being chased by Freddie. They get up a ladder, knock the ladder down and climbing to the attic and shut the door. And by this point Freddie is like, I know you're up there. I can smell your brains And one of my favorite things that you pointed out to me several watches back, Ernie has his luger with him, yes, yes, And he has Tina and he's got his arm around her protecting her, and she's holding onto him. And as he's just banging on this door. As he's banging on the door, we just see Ernie take out the gun and he is getting ready to shoot her and then shoot himself.

1:53:51 Yeah, which happens to be a methodology you're taught in a certain World War two millet Terry government organization. Yeah yeah, that yeah. That. So Burton Spider managed to get back inside the warehouse. They find Casey and Chuck there, and that is when they also incapacitate the basement zombie a starman. At this point they knock his head off, knock his head right, and then just go for it because at least it's can't see. So he wants to get down to the triox on barrows. They want to see what they can do a phone, Yes, and there's a phone down there because they're the other phone was in the office and they weren't going in there. So that is when he makes a call out to the police and he's like, you know, hey, we're trapped inside here. Because by this point they've had a helicopter come in. They're like, you know, get to this part of the line if you want to surrender, otherwise like you are in firing grounds. So he calls the cops and he's like, you know, well, what happened. He's like, oh, it's a lot. And then by this point Trash and her army just descend on the police even more.

1:54:48 I do love that instead of clue Gulligher saying like the dead or rising or anything, which is a pet peeve, like when cops don't believe you because you tell him exactly's on, he doesn't say. He says, they're stark, raven mad. They'll attack you, they'll kill you on the It's like Raby, he's only faster. Like that's at least a cop would believe you if they could have heard him over the sound of the zombie Horde taking over the cops. Yeah, so cops are over run. Bert then decides to call the number on the military barrels and we see that they're connecting with everybody. There's a guy that he connects to and the guy he's taking down the notes. You know, how long is the infection gone? When did this start? All this stuff? And one thing we skipped over because there's so much to get to, is that we open with one of the first things we see as this military guy whose entire job is to be reachable to find out what happened to the barrels, and that's when we find out that there's a contingency plan. They were prepared for this to happen. And I love that Miguel Nunez's character goes, what is this plan? Because he is the last of the super anti authority punks yep, So he's like, what is his plan? So then we find out that the military guy calls and he says, the eggs we found the Easter egg have been found. Unfortunately, sorry, the eggs have hatched. And then he tells him what to do.

1:56:04 So now we smash cut. It's so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. Smash cut to a call coming in to a young man sitting in a nuclear launch site. Yes he is. He and I love his reaction to because if you if you look at the background, the set he's in, he's reading a comic book. He has a cup of coffee. It's first thing in the morning. Yeah, and when the phone rings, he's very like, good morning. It's nice to hear. Good morning to you too, sir. Okay, Archimede's got he's like taking on the code. He's taking on a nuclear launch. Cut he is. And one thing I want to mention is what would be going through I know that this is a comedy ish horror movie. I don't consider this a straight horror comedy. But it's a comedy horror movie, and he's literally sitting in a bunker being told like, you're going to launch at these coordinates. I think it was like one hundred and seventy five miles from you, which means that he's literally getting told you're going to launch a nuclear warhead onto Americans soil. Yep.

1:57:02 So they go through the process and that is when we see the nuke loaded. We see it shot off, and we even see our characters hear it shot off, because. It's well, yeah, we literally get the cartoon. And Bert's like, do you hear that boom? Well, and but the way they do it too, he says like, do you hear something? And then like Freddy bust busts, the freeze frames and then stream on all the zombies getting ready to go into the looking up in the sky. I love that, Yeah, because I guess they noticed the sound. So everything freeze frames and then we see the blast and then we see the shot of Louisville and then just the wave comes through it. We see a mushroom cloud, yeah, and then the wave, the shockwave just ripping apart the roofs of the buildings.

1:57:45 Killing everybody, killing Bert, killing all the survivors. And in the wake of the nuclear strike on Louisville, Colonel Glover is heard telling his commanding officer that everything went as planned and that the results could not be more positive. Only a small area was destroyed, he says, and casualties are limited. As he speaks, the toxic rainfalls once more, and zombies are heard screaming, and he. Says, the only thing unusual is the rain, but that should work to our darvis. It puts out the fires, yep, it washes everything away. And then he even says, and yes, I know the President is going to be in Louisville tomorrow. Yeah. One thing I always wondered about this movie, by the way, I mean granted, like I said, you know, we never get like a real sequel that like expands the cannon of the first movie. But what was the what would be the cover story the military would have for why they bombed Louisville, Like would they claim that it was an accident where they're gonna claim that it was the enemy?

1:58:35 Did it? Like, because that's it's a big thing to cover. It's a small nuclear bomb. Yeah, it was a nuclear bomb on the town. Yeah. Yeah. So by this point they're screaming in the graves. We see a skeleton rise up and scream, the same one we saw earlier. Y yeah, and that is nineteen eighty five's Return of the Living Dead. As we kick into forty five's party time and we get our home run of the greatest moments of Return to the Living just. Funny and bizarre moments played under the credits like a comedy movie. Perfect. It's great because it makes it feel like the party that it was. It was a fun horror movie. It still had horror, it still had the gore that was meant to be serious. Yeah, but it has this attitude, very punk rock attitude. I mean, I remember what a big deal it was when the soundtrack came out through a Enigma record. Oh yeah, Enigma, who had handled Dead Milkman and Mojo Nixon, all these punk bands, and it was like your soundtrack album's coming out.

1:59:29 Through the punk label Texas Stance all too, I r s. Yeah, came out through IRS the same kind of thing. So, And I mean in the soundtrack had the Cramps on it and stuff like that, which SO did. So it's it's. As google to be more precise. Oh when the sun goes down. And all the Wednesday fans are so happy right now? Oh, well, good for that. So do you know what the budget was on return Living? I should Uh was it like seven or eight? You're close? Four? It was four million? Okay, it was low, I thought so, four million dollar budget. It opens August eighteenth, nineteen eighty five, to take in four million, four hundred and three dollars opening weekend, opening weekend worldwide, grossing fourteen million.

2:00:11 Not bad, not bad by those standards. That's a hit. Yeah. So filming started July ninth, nineteen eighty four, completing on August eighteenth, nineteen eighty four, in Los Angeles, California, burbanks Sylomar and downtown area. And there is one shot of Louisville, which is at the very end of the movie. As we saw. Although most of the movie is set in Louisville, Kentucky, it was filmed in California. The only scene actually film in Louisville was shot at the front gate of Louisville's Eastern Cemetery. Oh so I'm wrong, it's that one. Okay, okay, all right, cool. I didn't think any shots were from Louisville. Yeah, honesty, So the Louisville police uniforms and patrol cars were all period correct. John Russo receives a story credit despite the only similarity is his original treatment being the title. His original screenplay was Dead Serious Horror Story, which was a direct sequel to the Night of Living Dead and based on playvel Yeah, taking place ten years later in dealing with the trio of sisters being menaced by looters in the countryside when the zombie plague mysteriously begins again.

2:01:03 And there was a whole thing where basically what they ended up deciding on was that Romero could do his of the Dead movies. Yeah, and Russo's space was the Living Dead. Yeah of Living Dead, so that that's kind of where that division came from. Yeah, but it's wild because I've only ever heard that Russo's script was not very good. I've heard the novels good, but yeah, I've heard the script was not. I would love to read the books. So he sells Returnal Living Dead at his tables when he's he didn't just. Get it on the internet. Toby Hooper had originally been brought on to direct the film, but due to the film's production stalling, he had to leave the project so that he could go direct Life Force for Cannon Film. Ironically, Dan O'Bannon wrote. Yes, he did. Yeah. The executive producers attempted to contact George Romero several times in order to offer him the choice of producing the movie, but he never answered. In fact, Romero had agreed with his former partner Russo that they would make separate sequels to their horror and hit Night of Living Dead, with Romero's films being referred to as The Dead Movies and Russo's as Living Dead Series.

2:02:00 And Romero was knee deep in Day of the Dead. Yeah, in the middle of all that, and Day of the Dead had a ton of trouble. Yeah, Their budget got slashed a bunch to the point where he basically turned I think it was like the first act of the originally planned Day of the Dead. Is he turned into a full movie. That makes it I'm not surprise by that. Richard P. Rubinstein, producer of Donna the Dead nineteen seventy eight at Laurel Entertainment, didn't want people to think this film was part of Georgia Merrow's Living Dead series. He even got an injunction to stop the makers of Returnal Living Dead from using living dead in the title. However, the NPAA arbitrators ruled in favor of producer John Russo, since he had co written At a Living Dead and based this film on his own novel Returnal Living Dead. In fact, Ramiro had long before agreed with Russo that he would drop the word living dead from all his subsequent sequels Donna the Dead, Day of the Dead, Land of the Dead, et cetera.

2:02:49 Yeah. No, and it's been an interesting ride. It has been the whole I have so versus Romero camp. I need to go back to Land in Survival. Those are the two that I had the most trouble with. Land actually did age. Age pretty well. Survival's not well. Survival's pretty rough. I always liked I like Diary. I always liked Diary. Director Dan O'Bannon was originally supposed to play Frank, and he wrote the part with himself in mind, but when James Karen came in to read for another part, Obandon was simply blown away and hired him on the spot. Yeah, that's two. I mean, I mean O'Bannon wasn't a bad actor. Yeah, but James Karen's St. Karen Incredible. Actor Clu Galligher was cast. His first day of shooting, O'Bannon was worried because his vision of Burt was so precise, but he loves the what the actor created. Of course, he got a little hysterical and punched me out a few times, but that's fine.

2:03:33 I will forgive almost anything for the quality on screen. Yes, there is in fact stories of Gallagher chasing Obandon with a bat on set. Clue had an overall good reputation, but he was known for being an old school while he had a temper. Yeah, he had a temper. According to Jules Shephard Dan O'Bannon met her in the early eighties when he was a member of a very ultra chicin private club where she worked as a shripper. They became good friends because they had a lot in common and he bought her drugs. When he got the directing gig for the film, he wanted her to play Trash, but she was fed up with being naked on stage and in small film roles at the time, so she suggested the audition for party girl Casey, since she liked to party, and he agreed. Well, she said some bs though she told him she wouldn't hear nude in movies. Yeah, and in reality had just done a nude role that he didn't know about. Yeah, so she just kind of bsked. But we got Lenea Quickly in the film.

2:04:26 Is she the one that's in out for Justice as the body double to the one chick that we were watching the one time? Or is that Michelle Bauer Michelle Bower is Bower? Okay? I thought so. Tom Matthews got his ear piers for the role of Freddy since the character's description specifically called for one. He later found out he could have just warn a fake airing the entire time. I yeah, Lenea Quickly originally danced to the song nasty Girl by Vanity If you are a fan of Beverly Hills Cop that is the song that plays in the strip club in the film Okay during the filming of her famous cemetary striptease. Nasty Girl was later replaced by the song Tonight We'll Make Love and We Die by Stacey Swain. I mean it was good. It was a good It was a good swap. The shot of the barrel corpse nicknamed Tarban changing through. The changing through the glass panel was done with wax over the face of the skull and heat turned up to melt it. The glass crack was unintentional and happened due to the heat.

2:05:16 Oh nice. Yeah, I also liked the touch that they composited fog over it because the fog is moving in a normal speed. You pointed that Alan Troutman said in the DVD commentary that one of the main ingredients for the tar of his costume was methisol. Methasol is a thickening agent used in milkshakes and also one of the main ingredients for the Blob nineteen eighty eight. Oh yeah, food stuff is all about special effects, is all about food. So yeah. Obanon was aiming for a pacing similar to screwball comedies of Howard Hawk's, which was fast stepping on each other's lines and one of the sound chaotic. They rehearsed for a week to ensure the dialogue he wanted heard did not get lost in the shuffle. No, and that's very clear by like even right at the beginning when he's Freddy's going er and Frank, why kid, you're learning? Yeah, it's completely that Vaudeville style.

2:06:02 The scene where Tina falls through a broken step was done without Beverly Randolph's knowledge it was going to be done. Director Dan O'Bannon had a false step put in while she was at lunch, then told her to do a test run up the stairs. She wound up banged up and bruised as a result, and also the reason why Tina didn't get up immediately and run in the scene. That is one hundred percent true. They've talked about in the documentary that Obannon had a problem sometimes with the way he handled working with his actors. That really dangerous. Yeah, that's really really dangerous. The lead pipe the Cougawger uses the movie is actually made of rubber. He initially used real pipe, but the crew snuck it away from him and replaced it with a rubber one. As Obannon was worried about Clue's frequent anger and sometimes violent outbursts both on and offset, you. Was also swinging the thing around a lot, just in character.

2:06:44 Some of the zombie extras were paid bonus to eat real calf brands in the film. Dan O'Bannon didn't want the actors to do anything he wasn't willing to do, and ate some raw calf brains first in front of them, to show that he wouldn't ask them to do anything he wasn't willing to do himself. I wouldn't do that. No. The character of Ernie played by Don Kaffa, is thought to be a Nazi due to him sharing his name Ernest Cault Berner. There are also character details that provide an indication of this. In his past, Ernie listens to the German Africa Corpse March song Panzer Rollin in Africa on his Walkman while he and Balm's Bodies carries a German Walther p. Thirty eight has a picture of Ava Brown in his morgue, refers to the rainstorm coming down like Iron Berston sold it, which means a drunk soldier in German. Yeah, really knows his way around a crematorium and seems surprised and a shame when he learns that the dead can feel pain. Dan O'Bannon and the DVD commentary mentions that Ernie was intended to be escape Nazi in hiding.

2:07:36 Yeah and there the Easter eggs you mentioned are all perfect for that. I mean, they really are. And Don Kalfa lamented that the worst part of that role was having to bleach his hair such as hair, like three times and it never went back the same. Yeah. Yeah, well he claimed it grew back. Yeah. After the rabbit weasels are brought into the Resurrection funeral home and the tarp is removed, what is actually in the bags are motorized toy monkeys that have the symbols moved. That's funny. Yeah, that's a perfect solution. Klu Gallagher has expressed great pride of appearing in the film, even going as far to call it one of the five genuine works of art that I've been a part of. Wow. Yeah, he really did like this, that's fair. When shooting trashes lenaequill these gravestone dance, she initially was completely naked and showed pubic hair, as was the norm in the early eighties. However, producer Graham Henderson visited the shoot that day and, according to himself and others, threw a fit yelling at Dan O'Bannon that you can't show pubic hair on television. Dan sent Lenea away and had her completely shaved, which coincidentally, Linae herself found to be the most embarrassing part of the whole thing. They did another shoot, to which Graham Henderson cried out, oh God, it's even worse.

2:08:38 You could see everything. Ironically, the exact same thing would happen with Matilda May's new scenes in the next movie obandoned scripted Life Force in nineteen eighty five. Well, a lot of that was about foreign especially yeah, was that they wouldn't be able to release it foreign, showing that. At this point, they sent Lenaa quickly over to Bill Muns and William Stout, where they made an algaet crotch piece resembling the bottom of a G string and gluted on. According to Lenea, this was a bit of a problem. Every single time she had to go to the bathroom they had to remove it. Because of this, there are no shots of Linnaea with a completely naked crotch area like an apartment store mannequin quickly joked once that she has never had more attention focused on her vagina than when they were shooting this scene. Fans still ask if there's any footage of the versions of the dance with cubic hair or uncovered shaved vagina, but so far none has shown up.

2:09:21 Well, I'm gonna if I were a betting man, I'd say it would show up by now, so I must say stop a emailing you. Return Living Dead invented the popularized notion of the public conscious zombies eating specifically brains as opposed to simply flesh, and that zombies grown brains as they walk. It's also the first film to ever show zombies being able to run, as well as being able to speak and being in possession of more than base animal instincts. In a critical scene in the movie, a zombie who has killed one of the characters is tied to a table and explains that dead seek brains because eating brains makes the pain go away. Romero invented the specific trade as part of his Night a Living Dead series, though he has emphasized that this was not his idea. According to the recently Really at Least book The Complete History Return of the Living Dead, The Simpsons creator Matt Groing came up with the tagline they're hungry and They're not vegetarians, which appears in some trailers. Another tag line he came up with was first they want to meet you, then they want to eat you, which was rejected by the studio. A young George Clooney visited the set as he was then the roommate of Tom Matthews.

2:10:19 Oh okay, yeah wow. Lenea closely said in an interview she had no idea the movie would be a hit until about a year after it was released and she was mobbed that a Fangoria convention in La. It was a it was a different type. She had been doing a lot of the kind of La low budget cult movies. Yeah, so she just kind of was used to the like little cult following she got from VHS rentals and stuff, and then for return to become a mainstream hit was a massive boon to her career big time. There are two versions of the song party Time by the band forty five. Grave of the band recorded the zombie version of their song for the movie soundtrack, which mentions the events of the film but not featured in the movie itself. In the cemetery scene following Trash's dance, the band's original version of the song, which is about a five year old girl beaten, raped and murdered by her own family, can be heard clearly playing instead.

2:11:04 Dina Cancer is a hell of a writer, yeah, and a hell of a singer. That song is rough, damn dude. The nuclear cannon at the end of the film was actually a World War two German howitzer. Ah, the frost on the walls of the freezer room is actually Christmas tree flocking. O'Bannon wishes they had the budget and could have afforded to actually turn the temperature down in there and see the actor's breath. Too bad, they hadn't invented e cigarettes yet. Did have a sadist. Mark Ventury, Miguel Nuez, and Tom Matthews went to have roles in the Fried Thirteenth film series when Chury is Vic Faden and Nuez and Demon and Friday Thirteenth, The New Beginning and Matthews's Tommy Jarvis and Part six Jason Lives. Dan. O'Bannon said on the DVD commentary that he decided the films Tina's Lonely Walk from the Cemetery to the Warehouse with long shots and top down angles because she felt the most horror films are excuse me. He felt that most horror films film the characters from close up. O'Bannon felt that this was tired and cliched. However, once he had seen the final product, he regretted filming it the way he did, stating that afterwards he realized that the close ups and tight shots help you follow the character and connect with their feelings.

2:12:04 Yeah, yeah, there's not a lot of close ups. There's not a lot of that stuff. Now. I don't think it hurts the movie really much, but it is an odd thing to realize to watch it and go, hey, there's almost no coverage. James Karen came up with the idea for the death scene of his character. Originally, Frank was supposed to be completely transformed into a zombie and join the zombie Mob, but Karen did not wish to film any scenes in the cold ran of Los Angeles, so he instead suggested that Frank concinerate himself before the transformation could be completed, and Obannon agreed to the suggestion. Hey, I should recommend that anytime I don't like a role, I get an I just get incinerated. At the end, and lastly, very early on, after Trioxon is unleashed, the only zombies around are the cadaver in the medical warehouses, Freezer, and Tarman in the basement. Freddie says that they should call the emergency number on the barrels, only for Burt and Frank to shoot him down because they don't want to bring the army and government police scrutiny that would ruin the warehouse's business onto them. They were right about the army, all right, but that is because their solution for dealing with triox and zombies is killing everything in the general area hopes for minimal civilian collateral damage. Even more ironic is the fact that had they called the number four trying to cook the Yellowkadaver, the Army would have probably been able to contain it to two zombies, Yellowcadaver and Tarman, and the two infected humans Frank and Freddy. However, due to the fact that they didn't call the number sooner, the army nuked the area because of the fact that there were more than twenty zombies with the numbers increasing.

2:13:20 I mean, yeah, that's that's pretty much the whole folly of the film. Yep. So what are your final thoughts on nineteen eighty five's Return of Living Dead? Oh? For fox sake? I mean, it's a classic yea of all classics. If you love horror movies, you're gonna want to own it. You absolutely should own it. It should be in your collection, yeah, whether digitally or physical media, there's plenty of options. It's it is. It's a quintessential zombiee oh yeah. And it's funny because it started out as being kind of a not a knockoff, but a little bit a little bit yeah kind of, and it ended up being its own thing so much. And I think that that is really a testament to Dan O'Bannon's creativity on this movie. I mean, I remember when that Blu ray was was announced and they had said like they had gotten as much music as they possibly could, because at that point, I think it was like they were down to like four or five songs missing. I want to say.

2:14:07 So. The big problem with the soundtrack on Return the Living Dead was the contract, Yeah, for the music said for theatrical and VHS. It might have even had laser disc in there. I'm not sure, probably, but because of that specific wording, the music had to be relicnsed for later releases, and MGM and whoever was not willing to spend a lot of money on that. It's a common problem. It's why now when you sign contracts they will say all the home media that exists it'll like list it and then it'll say and any home media to be invented. So that's why you have a lot of movies with that problem. TV shows as well, but that's more because they would get the license just for a broadcast broadcast. Yeah, but I remember this Blu ray was making a splash of the news when it came out. I mean, it was already a popular film, but I mean this is a by it. There is no way around it.

2:14:54 This is the quintessential zombie movie that really sped things up for how scary the zombe could get. Well, and it's only become more beloved as eighties and nostalgiazed become extremely beloved. Absolutely so so thrills, chills, chemical spills. Oh man, he had to put that in there one more time, all right, Alright, So we also like to undershow with a couple recommendations. My first one for this week should be No Surprise Return a Living Dead Part two from nineteen eighty eight, currently rentable on Prime Curious Kids Unearth the barrels that previously helped revive the dead, which proves the second times an undead charm. I can't believe you chose the sequel, I had to fair enough. Great, it's a lot of fun. But then going back into more fun and insane zombie movies, I've gotta go with nineteen eighty five's Demons, currently available on two V screen, box Plex, Pluto, and AMC plus.

2:15:43 A group of random people are invited to a screening of a mysterious movie, only to find themselves trapped in the theater with ravenous demons. That's a hell of a film, so good, A lot of fun just gets better and better. So my recommendation. I racked my brain a bit. I wasn't thinking zombies, although kind of got zombies, yeah, but I was trying to think of what's a film as dark in the literal plot as return that you could but also fun at the same time. Yeah, So I won nineteen eighty four's Night of the Comet, good gall which is a hell of a lot of fun. Yeah. If you have never seen Night of the Comet, what's wrong with you? It's uh, let's see what the IMDb says. A comet wipes out most of life on Earth, leaving two valley girls fighting against cannibal zombies and a sinister group of scientists. Wild movie it is so much fun.

2:16:30 It's streaming right now on MGM Plus and you can also oh and to B and Pluto, so you can watch it for free. First time I saw that movie, I was a bit underwhelmed. And then yeah, it was when I think, did Jabob show it? You saw it that recently? Well, I mean the watch like that was I got. The first time I saw it was I got the Shout Factory Blu ray when it had come out when I was in college, so that would have been like twenty thirteen ish, And it wasn't a bad movie. It just underwhelmed me. And then yeah, I think it was Jobob hosting it. I was just like, oh, this movie kicks ass man. See, it was a TV mainstay when I was growing up. I could see that, and then it disappeared. Oh it wasn't on DVD for forever. Yeah, it was one of those movies that people would trade around, like Monster Squad.

2:17:13 Ended up becoming that way for a long time too. So when it finally when Night of the Comet finally hit DVD, people were rejoicing like crazy because they were like, we can finally watch this ridiculous, awesome, apocalyptic quasi zombie horror film and it's it's so much fun. I just one of my favorite lines is I'm not crazy. I just don't give a fuck. I'm not crazy. I just don't give a fuck. My favorite is when they're shooting the mac tens and the one sister turns the other says, Daddy would have got. Us oozerss so good. So do we have any emails this week? You know we do? Oh but before we read. The emails, do we want to check in? Oh with Ebert just by himself, though unfortunately this time sadly, sadly the young Ebert because this is eighty five when the movie comes out. Oh dear, Yeah, here we go.

2:17:58 The Living Dad began when a teenager gets a job and one of those supply companies that sells cadavers and skeletons. Let's you imagine he bought that poster and just after the movie they didn't give it to him, Like this movie. I'll take one, and I think he stole one. He's like at Chicago, you guys got drug dealers. To remember that movie Night of the Living Dead about all the ghuls and zombies that were walking around. Well, that movie was actually based on fact, except the governments that pressed it. And to prove it, I've got some of those zombies down in the basement right now in air tight canisters. You say that thing was alive, so they say, can the US Army call?

2:18:39 They give away that gag on TV. Huh yeah? Nice? Did They go into the music and the gouls escape and they turn out to have this is from a package they give you for TV. I could see that clips. Very disturbing symptoms. It's wild to look at what Ebert was doing in the eighties and how YouTubers do it now. Yeah, but you know, more involved. A lot like all the other Living Dead movies, this one is about how the guls march around, eating everything they can get their hands on and terrifying those few people who aren't ghouls themselves.

2:19:21 I've got it. There's some pretty graphic show on TV. Well, it's kind of cartoonish, I guess. I mean there's no like blood Blood. Yeah, The Living Dead is a rip off or not. Because this movie was not made by the same people who made Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead and Day of the Dead the Living Dead trilogy. This movie is. Inspired by those movies. It's made by different people, but yet at the same time, I liked it better than the recent Day of the Dead because effects it better, the humor is better, the acting is better. So I give it three stars, and I'm Roger Ebert. I think that's three out of four. I'm not mistaken. The humor is better, you mean then the humorless Day of the Dead, which I love, by the way, I love Day of the Dead. It's but it's the darkest, bleakest possible films.

2:20:09 Like it's so fucking sad. I love that about it. It's so good. I mean, it's great. I'm glad that that's a movie that's aged really well. A lot of people didn't consider it like worthy of being their favorite Dead movie, and now it's not uncommon to hear people's it. Was the last of the original run that I saw, and it wasn't It wasn't just not by scene, it was just it was. It was not high on the list because Donn of the Dead was so good. Yeah, well don is like probably my favorite movie of all time. Yeah, and Day is a lot of fun. I remember renting it on tape until a DVD finally came out. I was so excited to see it in widescreen. So such a good movie. Oh yeah, so uh but yeah, that's what Eber thought. Shockingly enough, he liked it. I didn't think he liked anything ever, But if Cisco were there, I'm sure he would have pissed us off.

2:20:54 I'm sure. So we got a very nice email. Awesome and uh I wanted to read this, but it's actually it's very emotional, okay, and and uh yeah, so uh this is that show apparently email reads. Uh oh and by the way, if you want to email us, you can set us email at dooeven movie pod at gmail dot com. It's in the show notes or the description. We'd love to hear from you, says, Hey, Enrique and Dave. I know you don't know me, but I just want to let you both know how much I love and appreciate this podcast. I am going through some shit all caps right now. I'll spare you the SOB story, but it's been a damn bumpy ride and your podcast is a major comfort to me. There's a ton more I could say, but I don't want to ramble too much. Just know I appreciate you both deeply. Please don't ever stop making podcasts together, love, Rosa.

2:21:45 That's awesome. Wow, Rosa. We're honored to have you hang out with us and talk about silly, stupid movies and occasionally administer what may be legally considered therapy d Yeah. So, no, sincerely, We're so happy to have you with us listening. It means a lot, and it definitely makes a tired day where we have to tack on doing a podcast a lot easier. No, it does, And Rosa, I will tell you straight up that I fell into podcasts really heavily during quarantine because I had exhausted my music library at that point because I was just a home and listening to it NonStop. And it really can make the difference, just even just a couple of strangers' voices that become friends because of how much you spend time with them. So no, I mean, I'm very grateful that we can be that for you right now, and I hope things get better and please feel free to write and again, we'd love to hear from you again.

2:22:39 Absolutely, and thank you, yes so, And we want to remind everybody do even movie pod at gmail dot com. We love to hear your opinions on movies, your thoughts on the show, your thoughts on movies. We've already watched movies we should watch. We just like to hear from you. You can also comment if you're watching us on YouTube, Yeah, leave a review. If you're listening to us Apple Podcasts or Spotify, it really helps a lot, and you could also comment on Spotify. I read and respond to every comment we get on Spotify, douevenmovie dot Com is where you find everything about us and our show out. So I guess that is about all there is to say about that on our longest episode ever, I would imagine because Dave finally opened his little heart.

2:23:20 So, speaking of, you know, more showers of emotions, would you like to know what we're talking about next week? Let me know. April Showers continues as we go into week three with one that will be a first time watch for Enrique. It's true and that is gonna be two thousand and two's Road to Perdition starring Tom Hanks. This is a great late gangster effort that has a role of Tom Hanks that you not expect them to play normally because he's a gun in this. Oh okay, that's an assassin. So it's really really good. I've heard it's a great film. Yeah, apparently Avaible on Paramount. Plus you can also get a pretty cheap blue I think right now too. So if you haven't seen it, get on it. And that is what we are going to be talking about next week. And I cannot wait to show you that movie. Well, and what for insecurity you're harboring? I mean, we'll get to it.

2:24:03 We're recording this before we technically go to wasteland, so we'll see with the wee weekend rings. Oh gosh, are you expecting like horrible things to happen? Oh? Man, I didn't. I did invite a bunch of people I assume might be bullies. Just go through your books and just yeah, I was just circling them based on their sour puss. I was like, I look at him. I was like, I do beat updated. So but with all that being said, my friends, thank you all so much for joining us. We really, we really do appreciate it. So all that's left to say is we will. See you next. I want to party? Do you want to party? Party? Times?

2:24:43 Had to work it in three times. You're never gonna hear the end of that cockiness. Nope, Next time guys,