Ravenous (1999) Guy Pearce, Robert Carlyle, & Neal McDonough

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0:43 Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David de Noyer. Spoiler alert, Well, hello, my friends. I hope you're hungry, because we have quite a show for you as we wrap up our wintry movies. Yeah, how would get heir? Already? Like? You drove? Oh, I have a license? I have a call. Well, first of all, I never said you had a license or a car. I just said you drove here. That's fair, that's fair. But I'm your host, Enrique Kuto here with my good buddy and co host Double D David Denier, and tonight, tonight, we are talking about a film that I had the trailer etched in my brain my entire childhood because the trailer was pretty scary, but also it was just ad nauseum at the theater. It was on tapes that we were renting at the time, and that is what you did.

2:05 This come out with nineteen ninety nine ravenous and it's I would call it a gem, an unrated or unrated say I'm doing your thing now, I stole your gig. Dave one of our buddies, by the way, are our bunny? Patrick asked about last week's show. Just thought it was like, did Dave have a seizure or something, because you just started to say like he was a real heart drop of of what I was. No, no, no, but no, this one was definitely underrated. And I think we're going to really notice that. I don't remember the exact numbers of the box office, but when we get there, I know that it was. I know that it was painful, very painful, very painful. So and we do want to mention this film features many acts of cannibalism. Yes, And and you know the funny thing is, I mean it seems like mainstream media, like a movie's, TV shows whatever, kind of do like a little bit of cannibal then a little then they kind of run away for a while, but whenever they come back to cannibalism, they always go all the way, because like, I feel like, there was no mainstream media of cannibalism for years and years, and then we got Hannibal the TV series.

3:17 We both watched the whole thing, right, you see the whole thing multiple times? Man, you've watched it multiple times. I mean it's a long series. Three seasons. Well, season two is the best, in my opinion. Season season three they were told they could do whatever they want because they were getting canceled, which was fun, but there were whole episodes where it took me until like the last three minutes to know what was going to find out what was going on, or to figure out how it related to anything. Wasn't there a whole one on a train and I was completely I was trying too. That's the worst part. That's what made me frustrating. It wasn't that they were doing weird artistic stuff. What pissed me off was that I was actively watching and still confused. That was why I was mad, like, hey, where's maar? You know? Yeah? No, I was sitting there going like, wow, I love what they're what so but we we we talked about you and I were watching some of the other trailers, and boy did they try a few different ways to market Rabbitable.

4:20 But that first trailer that I showed you right before we started, that one was the one I always saw and it made the movie look really scary, which it is scary, but it's it's This film has a very interesting tone. Tone is the perfect word. Yeah, a very different tone, and every time I watch it, I forget that. The film itself, especially in the first two acts, has quite a sense of humor of itself. Very black comedy. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely very very like, uh, dark and creepy, but funny, like there are these little gags to it. Yeah, I mean the fact that the opening scene is, after these guys looking at stakes, the main character steps, he runs off, vomits, and then literally as soon as the puke leaves his mouth, Ravenus comes up on the screen. I love that. But what an interesting choice. And that's something that I said, I really do think once the third act kicks in the movie, and we'll talk about it in detail, but yeah, it kind of eases off of being completely out of its mind as far as its presentation style. But that that first act and second act, there are just these little choices that they made. Yeah, absolutely, but I can't say that they hurt the film because I'd forget them because they don't fit the tone I remember. But they make the film very memorable well.

5:38 And I think going back to the trailers again, I think the key to understanding Ravenous is that it is it's a it's a horror Western, but like in the like tonal shift of From Dust Till Dawn in a little bit, because it's like you kind of start out with a paranoia story. No, that's well, I mean, I think it's hard head no, but it is a pretty hard shift because they go out and the woods and basically everything changes after they go into the woods. Which is something that even I kind of forget, is that you meet your cast of characters then lose almost all of them before the second act even starts. So I would kind of agree that in a way, From Dust Till Dawn is in there, the only difference being that they make it very clear and Ravenous pretty early on that you're getting a cannibal story as to wear it. From dust Till Dawn they like desperately want you did not know about the vampires. It's not right in the middle. I'm almost certain Now I could be wrong, but I doubt it. It's at least I want to say, at least forty minutes of that movie for the Switch of the Vampires. But we're not here to talk about from Dust no, no, So before we get into it, one small thing I want to say is just a humongous thank you. Got a lot of really nice comments about about when I talked about Chicano's passing my rescue dog, Chicano. I just want to say thanks, Thank you guys for commenting, whether it was commenting on the show or sending in a message on socials or whatever. Just thank you. I really appreciate it, so appreciate

7:09 it. And on that note, I have something in my eye and uh no, I oh wow, I didn't even so. I didn't even think that that was me being cute. No, I literally, like, literally something out of my eye. I hope you noticed that my tone changed to very annoyed. Yeah, I wasn't like, oh no, no, I mean literally something through my eye was really making me mad. But so we're gonna dive headfirst into ravenous. But before we do, before we dive into it, I want to ask you, Dave yes, sir, when it comes to cannibalism in movies and television, what was if you can remember, what was your first exposure to cannibalism in the movies, Because I gotta tell you right now, Davey, I'm sure I've told you this before. Cannibalism is a is a taboo in movies that actually gets to me quite a bit.

7:58 Yeah, there something I cannot stand about the idea of a person being reduced to just meat meat. It really bothers me. That's why Hannibal got to me so badly because in Hannibal, they would like shoot it like it was the Food Network. Yeah, but they would be like, see this meat, it's a person. And then it would be gorgeously seasoned and beautifully arranged and fried and you know, oat milk and butter and all this shit, and that would like really make me want a puke. Yeah. If anything made me closer to trying being a vegan, which I did do it shortly after it was, it was actually Hannibal. Because Hannibal made me like sick to my stomach. So my question to you is, what was the first experience with cannibalism and media that you can recaller that really stuck with you or what have you. So there's two that come to mind right off the bat is my mom was watching Silence of the Lambs on TV when I was a young kid. Yeah, that's a good one. And it was the scene where he displays displays the moth that ever or the butterfuly, I can't remember what it is, but anyway, he kills the two guards, and I remember just him lunging at Charles Napier's face and that was, oh, yeah, bit his nose, yeah, which is one of the few times in that film that Hannibal Lecter is just a friggin monster cannibal creature. No, absolutely. And the other instance is in my junior high library, we had a book on horror films that went up to, I want to say about the nineties. I was actually talking to our good buddy Birdman about this on an episode that we recorded a week or so back, and it was up to the nineties. So you had everything in there from like the early

9:31 twenties, thirties and up and the seventies. They did a piece on raw Meat aka Deadline, the Gary Sherman cannibal film. They had a shot of one of the Campibell eyes like eating corpses in it, and I remember just like looking at the eye and like the teeth parks and everything, and I was like, that's so fucked up. So like those two that are that I can recall. The one that probably stuck with me the most out of any of them was there is a scene in Oh my god, what movie is it now? I'm blanking uh baby Geniuses too. There's a scene in Cannibal and Cannibal the Musical, the Trademarker the bass, Yeah, based on Out for Packer, the scene the opening scene where he is just taking apart those corpses and like eating their faces. Like, yeah, it's always stuck with me because I'm just like that is them shooting for the fences right off the bat. Yeah, they weren't. They weren't screwing around. No.

10:22 I love Cannibal Musical. So okay, those are interesting and and and fascinatingly enough, none of my answer, oh I'm all your you. You did not tackle a single one of mine. So my number one cannibal experience now, and I'm not going to count zombie movies and stuff, because zombies are not people. They're zombies, but as a cannibalism represents an into a an inside species act. These things cannot be considered human. Therefore, it is not an act of cannibalism. To quote Donna the Dead, but yes, you are my numero uno and you're gonna go. Uh was Texas Chaninseeil massacre?

11:03 Oh, that was the one that like I was like whoa, And I remember being really freaked out by the concept of cannibalism. But it was played Now, I was played down a little bit in the way that like you you know, basically right at the end, when they like cut her finger and let Grandpa suck on it, or and when they're trying to bash her head in and when they show the barbecue hooks, those are like the only moments that really settle in this idea that these kids are not just being killed, they're being slaughtered, and they're being slaughtered in food. Now, I remember when she rushes into the room and you just see the lamp shades and all the feathers and thing like that is really chilling me, even very chilling. But even that doesn't necessarily scream cannibalism. It doesn't, see what I mean, Like I say, that's why it's like in that last twenty minutes is when you start to go But I'll tell you and this is gonna you're again. You're gonna be like, WHOA, I'll tell you what My numeral uno of of of child, childhood, Horror of Cannibalism. The Parents, Yeah, that was on cableh and I saw that when I was probably ten or eleven, and the idea for those who don't know, Parents is a film starring Randy Quaid and I forget who played the mom in it, but Parents. It's a really strange black comedy movie where cannibalism is I would say, not even loosely a. It's symbolic for sex. Yeah, the idea of sex and the idea of how children view sex, because children see

12:37 sex is just a taboo, a taboo that they're not supposed to have any part in, but that adults are constantly having a pardon. And that's why there's this whole scene in the movie where the parents are like, you think they're like making out, but then it reveals they're eating meat together and he's freaked out by it. But that's what when I was like, wow, yeah, this is a metaphor about the forbiddenness of sex when you're a kid, and how it is kind of startling the idea that your parents are having Well YEA love watching about realization when I was sitting next to you or your watching that blue ray. Yeah, no, I mean that was when I realized that it was barely subtext, that it was very clearly intentioned. But so I remember watching that film on some cable channel pri TBS or TNT and being mortified. Mortified is the perfect word, literally mortified, because it's not just a movie about cannibalism. It's a movie about your own parents turning on you. Yeah, and and and that's terrifying because it's you know, another movie that brings those vibes really well, Toby Hooper's Invaders from Mart has that whole concept like your parents are coming to get you enough, and yeah, to an extent, I agree, But I feel like those two films like play that fear up so much because it's like that they're supposed to take care of you, and you're so vulnerable if your parents don't want to take care of you. So anyway, those were my big initial cannibal movie. I did think of one more, which kind of relates back to what we're going to talk about. Was Nicholson' speech about Thedaughterer party in the Shining. Oh

14:07 man, I see the Shining is seventeen days long, so I forget most of it. But no, that's a good Now I want. I actually am in the mood to watch the Shining gets good. Uh. I like the mini series more. I know, I don't care what people think. Mini series is getting rereleased by the way I heard it put in proper aspect, right, Yeah, yeah, but I like the mini series. But there's just something great about Kuber's version. But I will say I really love Doctor Sleep. I've probably seen Doctor Sleep at least like four times in the last couple of years. I've watched it twice since it came out. I liked it both Love Sleep. I watched once in the theater and then I watched once the director's writ cut. Yeah yeah, and I liked it. I liked it quite a bit. Yeah do you Even? Movie? Will be right back. Welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? Just honorable mentions in cannibals. I was very young when I first saw my How old were you when you saw your first Italian cannibal movie? I had to have been at least fifteen or sixteen. Really, yeah, that young. Yeah, because at that point I was able to get them in the house easier because I could get them from FYE because oh yeah, that's true. Accessibility was higher because they were on DVD. Yeh. Cannibal Holocaust was the first one I think that we ever watched. My first cannibal movie was probably slaved to the Cannibal God because that was on its public domain, or at least it was considered so it was on a DVD I could afford. But I

15:39 literally my friend and mentor, Andy Copp, literally would not let me watch Cannibal Fairroks because he had had a hand in releasing it on VHS at one time. He would not let me watch it until I was at least sixteen. Yeah, So I didn't get to see like any real deal banana peel cannibal movies until I was sixteen seventeen. But it was really hard to get them. Yeah, there was no DVD available. It was like my buddy who provides me with all the bootlegs of things that were hard to get back in the day, was like, no, yeah, I could see him. It was Cannibal Ferox and his own film, Mutilation Man would not let me watch it close. Second though, was Zombie Holocaust Doctor Put Your MD, which is almost a cannibal movie, but then it becomes a zombie movie.

16:21 I saw that in horror Rama yeah, when I was probably fourteen or fifteen. But even those cannibal movies, for as nasty and mean spirited as they can be, and we really have to cover one sometimes show absolutely will, But for as nasty and mean spirited and gross as they can be, they're so freaking gonzo that you almost can't get sick from it. Yeah, Like it's just so it's just so everybody rushes, somebody grabs them, starts pulling at them, and then their body parts come apart. Meggiata Viv. It's like you have the cannibal movie, but then you also have this Jim Jones story built around it, So there's so much craziness going on in that. Yeah. Mengiata Viv is aka Alive. Yeah, is just one of our favorite things. As we mentioned before, a Christmas Christmas movie here at at do you even movie? It's a Christmas picture. So I just wanted to digress a little bit about cannibalism and movies because I am not a squeamish Well now I'm a kind of squeamish, can't be hyah well, but I mean, I openly admit horror movies scared me. Yeah, I love them because I love being scared. Yeah, I know that because I go to haunted houses with you, and it's the fucking best when you get harassed.

17:26 I can't I react the way I feel, which is scared because it's scary. Start calling your name, which has only happened like one time that I can recall, when somebody got your name in the in the scare line and it just worked its way through all the rooms we went through. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how they figured out it was my name, and I don't know how they figured out, uh how they heard it in a jumble of names similar to it. Crazy but yeah, yeah, crazy bro, But uh no, I like to be scared. I like scary movies for that reason. And a lot of times people will make the assumption of me that I They'll they'll be like, you must be pretty used to it, you must be pretty callous to it, And I'm like, no, man, That's why I keep watching them is I'm very easy to scare, and I like to be scared by movies. I mean, I love movies obviously, but I love to be scared and freaked out. But of all of the tropes, cannibalism really is the one that, like, every time I see it, it creeps me out. Like, even even the silliest movie, if it does cannibalism a certain way for me, freaks me out.

18:23 I'll give you an example. George A. Romero's Dead Time Stories, Volume one. Do you remember that cannibal story where they're spelunking, Oh, the splunking one. I was thinking of a seriicular one with the Goldilocks. No, no, I'm talking about when they were spelunking in the cave. I remember that one. And when they find the woman, they bring her out and then she remembers eating her dead boyfriend in the cave. The way they depicted the cannibalism was they like showed her pulling meat out of like a husk that like has no humanity to it. And I, even as a twenty something year old watching look, I love George Romero. Yeah, as much as I think anybody he could. I think he was a brilliant filmmaker, a flawed human being, and I think he made some of the best movies ever made, absolutely, but he made some crappy stuff too, And there was a period where he sure did not mind just picking up a check.

19:17 And nothing against the talented and tenacious independent filmmakers behind George A. Romero's Dead Time Stories either they had you can tell they had very little to work with and they were trying their best. But when George sits down to be like the crypt keeper of it, he doesn't even take his jacket all. He's literally wearing an outdoors jacket and and and it's just quick quips and then on to the next one. It is such you could like hear the check being written in the background, and you can just hear a ballpoint pen scribbling and uh. But even that one really messed with so Freddy's nightmares, you know, for Freddy's nightmares fans. Oh yeah, the other the other one, yeah, I can't think of it. Oh shit, what was that episode? There were two Cannibal episodes. Now, I can't think prime cut, prime cut, prime cut. Now that bothered me. Yeah, no, that bothered me quite a bit. It was depicted pretty grizzily but yeah and with a laugh, yes, which I appreciate but made me sick.

20:12 But that's I think the point. That's the tone of this movie too, you know what movie. So, without further ado, after a little talk about cannibalism, let's get into nineteen ninety nine's Ravenous Give us the Breakdown Double D one hour and forty one minutes, rated R for a considerable considerable amount of gore. Where does it hang on? It was, God damn it. The rating killed me. It was, Oh, I hate that IMD readed their site for potential buttocks display Oh considerable gore and strong violence. Well, I mean I think it's considerable gore. Yeah, and honestly, they could have went way grosser. Overall, it's mostly blood splashes and there's like one or two severed limbs. There was you really can see. One thing I read relating to its censorship was there were minor cuts made to get it to an R rating, So it probably had like an NC seventeen or an exit first submission, but they probably you know, chopped like two or three seconds out of it. I would imagine. Yeah, I mean, I just know that there really isn't that much. There's really not I mean compared to like your average Western or something. There's a few moments where you kind of see somebody's guts, yeah, entergy, and that's really it. Yeah.

21:21 Yeah. So Rabbitus one hour forty one minutes, rated R, directed by Antonio Bird. She did The east Enders in nineteen eighty five, Casualty in nineteen eighty six, South of the Border nineteen eighty eight, The Men's Room in ninety one, A masculine ending in ninety two, Peak Practice Priest, Mad Love Face, Ravetus in ninety nine, then goes to do Rehab in two thousand and three, Mission Impossible or stud M I five series in two thousand and five. That's quite a jump. Yeah. Cracker one of her films in two thousand and six, which got a series in six as well, A Passionate Woman in twenty ten, The Village No not the in night shamal on one. Oh. But she unfortunately had a career cut short in twenty thirteen by thyroid cancer. Died it age sixty two. Wow. That's quite a career though, cause I gotta say, full disclosure, I don't think I saw any of those except Mission Impossible five in Ravenous, But talk about like consistently working and clearly Ravenus didn't kill her career, which I'm happy to hear, because while it did, it was not successful. I think it was a very solid movie, and I think that it did.

22:21 It was a very effective film, and I think it was very artfully directed and very smartly directed. So I'm glad to hear that she got quite a bit going on though, and I'll get to it a little bit more in the trivia. But Robert Carlisle, who is our second lead in this film, he was. He was very good friends with her, and he actually got her the gig on Ravenus because the original director was fired after two weeks. Oh really, do you know who the original director was? I have his name in the notes. It's Mitch something. Milcho Mincheeski is his name, Milcho menches Menchevsky, Chevski, Yeah, what the heck? Yeah, he was fired after two to three weeks. Didn't even look him up, No, didn't even bother to figure out what he was doing. He wasn't mentioned anywhere except that she. I mean, okay, this is our research first stop. We got plenty to talk about. So our writer is Ted Griffin. He was the writer of Ravenus of course, goes on to do Best Plans in ninety nine, does the screenplay for Oceans eleven two thousand and one, match stick Men two thousand and three, Rumor Has It in two thousand and five, The Shield in two thousand and six, Killers twenty ten.

23:19 He was the creator of the series Terriers in two thousand serious. I am dead serious. I love that series. F series Terriers, and I am still upset livid we didn't get a second season. I know, because it was so good, it ended so well, with so much more to give us. Yeah, I know. Terriers is very well missed and only and it's never been released on physical. You can only get it through I think Amazon is the only way to get it. Yeah, I think so, something like somewhere like that. Yeah, No, I'm ticked so. Ted Griffin also did the screenplay for Tower Heights in twenty eleven. He's edited for script revisions on Runaway Jury in two thousand three, Torq in two thousand and four, Mister and Missus Smith and O five Fun with Dick and Jane and O five Night and Day in twenty ten, and Wolf of Wall Street in twenty thirteen, whoa Okay also the director of Terriers, Mad Dogs and Patriot. He directed episodes of Terriers, Mad Dogs and Patriot. Yes, those are literally three of my favorite shows I know, and they're not just three of my favorite I actually feel bad for him because I'm like, those are three of my favorite shows that all did relatively badly. Yeah, but Patriot I consider one of the best television shows ever made. Yeah, uh, the Amazon original Patriot. Like most people be like, what, it's one of the best shows ever made. No, it's a big deal.

24:40 Matt mad Dogs Crazy also one that you you had me watch. You texted me and you're like, dude, you need to watch the show. We only got one season of it, which was perfect. It did end on on a pretty solid name. It ended well, but it could have gotten a second season. It was so freaking good so mad Dogs and it opened with Billy Zane, an incredibly fun character. Mad Dogs on Amazon Prime highly recommended that one. So. Our cinematographer is Anthony B. Richmond. He was a claploader on from Rush with Love in nineteen sixty three, The Devilship Pirates in sixty four, The Evil of Frankenstein in nineteen sixty four as well, he's the clapper loader on these phones. Well, I mean it goes to show you everybody starts somewhat. The Gorgone in sixty four, Doctor Zevago sixty five, Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum in sixty six. He becomes a cinematographer in sixty nine with ITV Saturday Night Theater. He does Let It Be The Beatles film in nineteen seventy. Okay, wow, don't look now, The Donald Sutherland thriller in nineteen seventy three. Damn okay, I could see a trajectory. Yeah, already starting here. Then he goes on to do Old Dracula in seventy four, The Man Who Fell to Earth of David Bowie film in seventy six, The Eagle Was Landed in seventy six as well, The Kids Are all Right in nineteen seventy nine, The Who film Nightfall, That's Life, The In Crowd, Sunset of Blake Edwards movie Scissors ninety one, The Indian Runner ninety one, Candyman in ninety two.

25:52 Then he goes to do The Sandlot in ninety three. He did the sand the same DP that did Candyman and Ravenous. Yeah, did Sandlot Tales from the Hood in nineteen ninety five. Really First Kid in nineteen ninety six, the Sinbad movie. I don't talk to me like you need to tell me what First Kid is, your little shit, I'm telling you what First Kid was. I was always partial to House Guest. The last time I watched First Kid, House Guest is great. Actually, I last time I watched First Kid, girl I was dating at the time, had horrible stomach flu and I I just remember I watched it while I waited for Chinese food to come, while she was in the other room sleeping in between vomiting.

26:34 First Kid's really fun. Gets better Playing God in ninety seven, the David Ducoveney film, which I watched a while back, and I didn't hold up as well, but still fun crime thiller. So then he was Ravenous in ninety nine, Cherry Falls in ninety nine, Okay, Men of Honor in two thousand, Legally Blonde two thousand and one, Shade Of two thousand and three, the Sylvester Stallone poker movie I Showed You with Gabriel Burne. I love Shade shit, it's really good. Cinderella Story two thousand and four, Just Friends two thousand and five, and The Months two thousand and six, Miss March two thousand and nine, Alvin and the Chipmunks, The Squeakwool in Oh nine, thank god, finally a classic. And he does three Diary the Whimpi Kids movies. And he also just did the Beatles Get Back the Peter Jackson or Yeah, Peter Jackson Disney plus beatlespot. I love the Diary of a Whimpi Kid movies too. Wow, these are some great ones.

27:18 So Anthony D. Richmond, we salute you because that's a hell of a resume. Brother. I mean, that's something we mentioned here on the show is cinematographers. You just every film and I've said it again and again, but every film needs somebody to shoot it. Cinematographers get around. Never assume you know where a cinematographer came from or where they're going. Yeah, because there are so many stories where I mean, he was a claploader on what was one of the like from Russia with Love No No, But I'm talking about like the Devilship Pirates yea, and the Evil of Frankenstock the Gorgan. All of those are perfectly fine movies, and if you love them, that's fine. Yeah, but they're all like he was just the clapload. Yeah, and then he went on to be clearly assought after cinematographer. I would say, so, who shot literally multiple movies that were formative for me that were nothing alike? No, either way, none, it's Ravenous, Sandlot, what was the other Handy Man, Candy Man. It's like all of those movies were formative to me as a kid for completely different reasons. Yes, no, so yeah, for real, that is an incredible story of a cinematographer right there. So getting into the story of Ravenous. This is from the back of the screen factory, Blu Ray says, a recipe for NonStop action and excitement when the inhabitants of an isolated military outposts go up against a marauding band of cannibals and a deadly struggle for survival. Ever, watchful of the enemies who might literally tear them apart, the uneasy alliance of soldiers must fight brutal elements of this Sierra in Ota wilderness and as well as their own murderous instincts to stay alive. Okay, it's not correct at all.

28:47 There are problems. Yeah, so first of all, that description sounds like the description you would give because you know that the person you want to watch it not under like you couldn't get across what actually happens in the movie, Like like you're just trying to get them to watch it. He's like, no, no, you'll like it if you watch it. But like, because it's not that, it's not that. I mean, I could see interpreting it as that, but it's not an army fighting. It's it's in fighting, and it's it's and of course the cannibalist cannibal element is such a massive part of the movie and the whole concept of the Windigo and all the stuff, which we'll get into in a little bit. Ye. But yeah, so that's a bizarre breakdown. It just sounds like they're trying to hard sell somebody who does not want to watch at all. So you is your synopsis just he was licking, because that's what we all from my generation, that's what we remember. The scene where the guy yells he was lacking may so but anyway, sorry, so I want toopsis the inhabitants of military outposts for Spencer have more than winter weather to be concerned about. When a sadistic cannibal infiltrates one night with plans to never go hungry again. Okay, points for clever, points for clever, But hold on, but what was that first sentence the inhabitants of a military outpost for Spencer have. That's you being

30:19 cheeky. That's you being a little bit of a ship like. No, they have more than they have, more than winter weather to worry about. They're being infected by a blight that makes them meet each other. But but I have to, I have to give it to you on the when a sadistic cannibal infiltrates one night with plans to never go hungry again. Yeah, that was that was Oh no, that was good. That was good, little cheeky though I might not allow that next time, but that no, that was good. Dave, good job. Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back. Welcome back to Do You Even movie? So wrapping us up as our cast, we have Guy Pierce who plays Captain John boyd ninety credits on his resume. Guy Pierce is one of those names that, like I know of him because of movies that I love him in. But for the most part, you really don't see him doing much except for like the last ten years. I would say he's kind of popped up, like in black Light, that Lamson movie. No, he's, yeah, he's I think he's definitely a workhorse. Yeah, So ninety credits on his resume.

31:32 Heaven Tonight was his first one in nineteen eighty nine. He did Home and Away in ninety one, The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert in ninety four, Dating the Enemy in ninety six, does Elle Confidential on nineteen ninety seven, which, dear listener, if you have not seen Ellie Confidential, I just shout it to Enrica. I just saw it recently. Yeah, and I really liked it. Yes, and shout out to our buddy Maurice and shout out to Specks McGee. Uh. That is an inside joke. Move along with your lives. So The Devil Game in ninety seven, Ravenous in ninety nine, and then does Rules of Engagement in two thousand, Memento in two thousand, Count of Monte Cristo O two, the Time Machine in two thousand and two, Two Brothers in four does the Proposition, which is a really good dark western he did with Nick Cave and the guy that plays the head vampire in Thirty Days and Night. I can't think of his name, but really really good movie Factory Girl in two thousand and six.

32:17 He portrays Warhol, he doesn't Andy Warhol and oh okay, really well, oh wow, I would like to see that, Yeah, Trader two thousand and eight, The hurt Locker Ina the Road, the King speech, don't be afraid of the dark, seeking justice, Lockout, Prometheus, Lawless, Iron Man three, The Rover equals Brimstone, spinning Man a Christmas Carol from twenty nineteen, Bloodshot in twenty twenty, and then Memory in twenty two two. So one black Live is Memory. Oh okay, those dude confused because they came out the same time, because David is a lazy researcher. I just remember Memory was better than black Light. Wow, Hard you were with me and we both agreed on that. Wait what was what was memory? Memory was where he's the assassin that loses his memory. Oh yeah, and black Light's where one of his buddies gets taken out. So he decides to go back into Cia. If I remember correctly. Yeah, I like black light actually kind of more. Wait maybe it was black light. I don't know, Maybe I like black light more than so. Then Robert Carlile is our second lead. He plays Colonel Ives as well as Calhoun in this.

33:15 He was in Arena in nineteen seventy five, Taggert in ninety Riffraff in ninety one, does The Advocates in ninety two, Being Human in ninety four, does Priests where he meets Antonio Bird in ninety four, as well Cracker in ninety four, another one of her films, Trainspotting in ninety six, Carlo Song in ninety six, The Full Monty in ninety seven, probably one of his most known movies. Next to this, disappearance on the series of A Once By a Time, which we'll get to in a second, Does the world' zignen Up in ninety nine, Angela's Ashes the Beach to end All Wars Formula fifty one, Hitler, The Rise of Evil in two thousand and three, The Mighty celt Aragon twenty eight weeks later, Redemption The Tournament which I need to show you the Tournament because it's literally about a small town that becomes a location for this game of assassins that like big heads are bidding on there's money, and Carlisle plays a pre to sworn off violence. That sounds fun to me. Yeah, that sounds like good time. Yeah. Start at Universe No. Nine, Once Upon a Time in twenty eleven, Train Spotting two in twenty seventeen, Yesterday, and Cobra in twenty twenty. Robert Carlisle is one of those faces that like you've seen him in things, but you don't know what it is, precisely because his resume is a bit all over the place. I mean, hey, there are worse things to be then everywhere. And wrapping us up is Neil McDonough. He plays Private Reich in this one hundred and thirty six credits on his resume. By the way, wait wait your third person is is Neil McDonough. Yeah? What No no love for Jeffrey Jones. I didn't give Jeffrey Jones. Jeffrey Jones to this. We'll get to him. What, Dave, Why why don't you want to talk about how great Jeffrey Jones is? So he does Dark Man in nineteen ninety What no love for Jeffrey Jones? I love Jeffrey Jones.

34:45 But oh you do. But I love Jeffrey Jones work. Oh really, can we get move on? Jeffrey Jones has allegations, you can find out. Yeah, moving on. It's not like this is gonna be the first time something he has allegation. Yeah. Look at Dave, he's the clem. He's like completely vetched. Now. I don't know why I'm all Yiddish either, but look at David. Fix your hat. Oh we worry about you, bully Bill. Why don't you take a drink and I'll tell a joke to the audience. Let me tell you why the first time David told me he was hiding Jeffrey Jones in his home from the authority. Funny. No, it's all right, Dave. I'm sorry, Dave. Was the amount of Jeffrey Jones jokes I made during the actual film that we were watching is not wrong. I knew that Dave was just what he was. And the reason Dave was flinching is he was just afraid I was gonna throw like a really mean one at him. I'm trying not to do that to you on this show. Appreciate that. Starting with dark Man in nineteen ninety He plays a doc worker in Dark Man, Quantum Leap in ninety one, Crueled Out in ninety two, in the Line of Duty, Ambush, and Waco, which I actually just watched today. Really, yeah, that was the one I was sending you got screen grabs of when mconna's hey. Oh yes, yes, young and weird looking. He does duck Man in ninety four, Angels and the Outfield ninety four, Jag in ninety five, Three Wishes, One Man's Justice in ninety six, The Ultimate bro movie of us.

36:13 You ever wanted to see mc hammer suffocated guy with a bag, One Man's Justice or just hang out outside in East LA That is true too. Yes, Star Trek First Contact in ninety six, Fire Down Below ninety seven, does the incredible Hault Cartoon in ninety seven, Rabbitus in ninety nine. Then he does Balloon Farm, Martial Law, Band of Brothers, The X Files, Minority Report, Timeline, Walking Tall Remake, Medical Investigation, The Guardian, Flags of Our Fathers, The Hitcher, I Know Who Killed Me, Tin Man, Desperate Housewives, Terriers which I forgot he was on Terriers until I looked him up. Oh you forgot that? Yeah? Oh, very memorable Ontariers Little Birds in twenty eleven. Captain America twenty eleven justified one of his best appearances in the last decade. I would agree, although it plays to kind of his type cast, Yeah it does, But we have another justified alumni in this cast. But yeah, I think they're both worth mentioning.

37:02 Yeah. CSI read Two Bad Country Arrow, Yellowstone Suits, The one hundred American Horror Story, Evil Resident Evil, Welcome to Raccoon City, The Flash, the shit he wasn't welcome to Raccoon City. The dude's resume doesn't end. I mean he's a working actor. Well, he's got a forehead that just scares you. He's also got a families, got feet. I mean that helps too. He's also a but I don't know if they're his or if he abducted them by you know, the characters he gets to play. He's also a producer now too. He's a He's producing a lot of movies. One of his most famous ones was a western he did recently restarted in called Boone Boom g O n Okay. So what was your first time seeing ravenous? Oh gosh, it would have been I guarantee I rented it on VHS, because if it came out in ninety nine, that means it was on tape in two thousand and In my household, I was the first DVD player owner. Yeah I remember your story. Oh yeah, I tell it on the show. I can't rab it. I don't think. Uh yeah. I I come from humble beginnings. My mother did a very good job making sure we had what we needed. And I was a huge movie fan, so getting a DVD player was not a priority. But because I was such a big movie fan, yeah, my mom was open to it, you know, to getting me one. Eventually someday. Well, I figured out a really good compromise. I was like, what if we get a DVD drive for my PC? Because I had a PC in my room

38:32 that I did a bunch of you know stuff on that. Like I'm like thirteen or fourteen, I think maybe a little younger, maybe a little older. And I was like, what if I get the herd of the drive, because then for fifteen this is how things work. Then if I have the drive for fifteen dollars dollars, I can get a DVD player Because you had to. You couldn't just have the driver the drive, you had to have a player. Yeah. So I got the player for Christmas, and I got the drive for my birthday. And the first time I watched any DVDs it was on my computer yep, not on my TV. I wouldn't have a DVD player in my in my bedroom or one in the living room until about a year later when Christmas finally hit with those Apex DVD players that were like thirty six dollars. Yeah. So when we rented a movie for family night especially, or you know, we just rented like a brand new Blockbuster movie or whatever so that we could all watch it together, all mom and me and maybe my sister, we'd always go tape. Yeah, because we had a VCR in the living room, makes sense. And I had a VCR in my bedroom too, so I didn't mind renting tapes. So but yeah, I remember one of the first big things I ever watched on that computer was I watched all three Sleepaway Camps because I was not I had never seen them. Yeah, and then Fangloria gave like crazy reviews to the box set and it was only thirty five bucks. Man, I remember that box up. You don't remember it coming out though, No, I don't,

40:02 but I remember that was a Hunted four box because that just had the Cross on it, the cross which got banned, the Red Cross. Actually yeah, but I just remember I sat down and that was the best Saturday ever because I watched the first sleep Boy Camp and when it was over, I was just like whoa. And then I watched the other two and fell in love with all three. Yeah. No, that would be the turning point. So I never had a life where I didn't I either didn't know sleep Boy Camp or I had one, two, and three back to back. What about four? Didn't? Didn't fore get included in that one? You mean the survivor? The survivor. We're not talking about return to sleep Boy Camp. You know why we're not talking about that? No, No, I don't want to talk I returned to sleep Boy Camp at all.

40:44 Good. I'm talking about the Survivor. Oh oh, you are talking about It was just raw footage from a sequel that never got filmed, which was exclusive to Best Buy. Yes, it was a sequel that never got completed. They raised enough money to shoot like three or four rolls of film in one weekend, an actress and an actor and that was it. It's so yeah, and people were so confused. I remember being confused, even because I was a young man, even though I dreams of being a filmmaker, I had not seen unedited footage from film. So I was like, Okay, I'm watching her walk silent through the woods, and now a color flash just happened. Now she's sitting on a chair. Yep. Yeah, it was bad. Well, the real problem is some filmmakers, I was gonna say audacious. I think that's a good word. Some audacious filmmakers decided to try to make a full movie out of it. Yeah, but the problem is when you edit together that that forty five minutes of footage, it's really like six minutes of movie. Yeah. So, uh, because didn't they there is? It's that has other clips and that's all. That's what it is. It's a it's a whole thing where they claim like that they have the right to do it. Yeah they don't really, but I don't know.

41:51 I'm not here to lawyer. I'm here to eat. So go on, Davy. So you were saying that you rented this Yeah, yeah, sorry, I forgot the question you asked me. Yes, I rented it on tape and watched it, and my mom was super grossed out. She kind of checked out of it. I could see that she might have even went off and did something else. I can't remember for sure, but I am my older sister, who was much older than me. We both were enamored with My sister really liked it, and I thought it was pretty cool. But I was really super grossed out, and I found the ending showdowns yeah, super scared, satisfying and scared. So I don't know about satisfying. I mean, I wasn't quite old enough for that, and like you, Davy, but what about you? When did you foresee it? So?

42:35 I I think I mentioned on the show before that I was a frequent flea market shopper with my father on Sundays, and in doing so, that's how I kind of started getting my VHS collection. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we get it. You have a fub Yeah, let's you shut up. But so one of my tapes had a trailer for Rabness on it, which was that trailer I showed you, which has so cheap your Boogeyman by Rob ZOMBI. Yeah, what a weird I get it, though, White Zombie Actually I can appreciate. I think it was White Zombie. Yeah, I can't appreciate what they were going for with the trailer because they were trying to hit a different audience since it didn't find its audience the first time. Yeah, they were like, what if we make this look just fun and badass and weird. But boy, is that a weird trailer. Keep in mind that Disney's Planes, that movie, the original trailer. The score on that trailer was more human than a human. Oh yeah, I believe that.

43:23 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they were on Disney's record label. It wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, I'm almost certain why Zombie was on Disney's record That would make sense anyway. So I saw trailer for Rabinous, and I went to the flea markets so often. I was like, well, I'll absolutely come into it soon, And sure enough, got a copy of it, watched it, and just immediately fell in love with its zaniness and its disgusting concept and all that stuff, and just this was a movie that like a fourteen year old would latch onto and I did. I mean, I get, I mean, I feel like, maybe not the average fourteen year old. It has some pretty heavy, heavy concepts. It does in the trailer made it look more action that it is. Okay, you can I think you can admit this was it because the guys in the movie were cool.

44:05 Oh yeah, Okay, I'm not trying to pick on you with teenage boys. Yeah, is like every dude in that movie was like super cool and like rugged and tough, and to be perfectly honest, I think this was probably the point in my life that I had my VHS LA Confidential, which I would watch, not even understating, probably once a month, So I was. I was into Guy Pierce at that point too. So the fact that he was in a horror film, I was like, fuck yeah, and how old were you again? Fourteen? Fourteen? Yeah, so probably a little old for Jeffrey Jones to be happy you were watching there is that. I'm so proud of myself. Okay, but no, I mean this has become a winter favorite of mine because it is snowy out the ass and you have whoa, you just have this again. The sense of isolation that's in this movie is what's most terrifying to me. I I I see what I did there. Sorry, but yeah, no, I revisit this every win. So it was an absolute pleasure to bring this to the show because I just I love this fucking movie. Do You Even? Movie will be right back, Welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? Yeah, No, it's a really fun one and one that I've really enjoyed revisiting.

45:27 Yeah, I'm so glad it got a nice blu ray release. Then that kind of put it back onto people's sites. I think too, because I remember how excited I was when they announced this. So are you ready to get into it? Into what the movie? Let's all go to the that's I mean, that's about not going to the movie. But uh, all right, fine, all right, the hell I'm in. So we opened with a shot of an American flag as we see Boyd who is being accommodated for getting a hold of enemy lines. He secured a station, and he's flashing back to the events and we see that all his men around him are dying in battle. Flashbacks are bloody, even by war flashback standards, absolutely like it's freaking wet with blood like and that's kind of the the imagery they're selling right now is not just dead bodies, not just bloody bodies. Everything is soaking in blood like. It makes you, It makes it to the point where you can almost smell his flashbacks because I can't over I really want to sell it properly. Wet with blood, yeah, no, it's like soaking drenched, sticky with blood. And I love the sequence because after the accommodation, what do they do to the men to show them they care.

46:42 They serve them all steaks, and I love that the plates are just a steak too big for the plate, no vegetables, and a pile of bread in the middle of the table people could pass around. So it's all about that steak, which, honestly, I mean, if you think about the era and what those guys been through, they probably hadn't had a stake, and well that's why they're all chomping down on it. Well, and also to make us even sicker because now we're looking at these nasty, bloody steaks, very rare. I mean a lot of this was rare. Yeah, And as they're chomping down, our main character is just more. All it does is remind him of those moist memories, which, by the way, will be the name of your autobiography. So he's visually repulsed. We see him go throw up, and as Enrique said, that's when we get the credit and then revenue. So we hear his captain, General Slawson, who is telling him that he's going to be sent to Fort Spencer in California because he hates him. Because he hates him because we'll find out a little bit that he's not the hero that we're supposed to believe. I mean, he's a hero, but he kind of tripped into it after being a cow howard.

47:52 Yeah, So he travels to the four and that's our credits, and we're seeing beautiful range of the Sierra Nevadas and just there's snow falling and we see him trekking. He gets to the fore and meets Martha there who shows him his quarters, and we flashback once again to Boyd and he is watching his men be slaughtered. He's seeing everybody just sink to the ground covered in blood. So then he just cowards down and goes into the mud as well. We find out that they buried the bodies of his comrades on top of him. He hid in the bodies, snuck out and that's how he took the enemy outposts. He basically faked he was dead, yeah, and laid for hours and hours in a pile of his dead comrades, yea until he could sneak out. And why he said to Fort Spencer is because they're like, you know, we could shoot you, but since you took the enemy outpost, like it puts a bad taste of the people technically a war hero.

48:37 Yeah, it's just by way of cowardice. Yeah. So then we meet Colonel Hart who's played by Jeffrey Jones, and he goes over the company and what Fort Spencer is. It's a way station on the way to Nevada's and they don't get much traffic in the winter when the storms and everything sweep in. There's Toffler, there's George Cleaves Knox who is the general, and doctor Martha, and that is our posse of Fort Spencer. You makes eight, that's the way he says it, which I feel was a reference to Agatha Christie and ten Little Indians, because and he makes eight that now, don't I mean? I mean I have not read ten Little Indians? Or isn't that also called twist of the screw? Not twisted the screw? No, not that one. There's ten little Indians, and then there was and then there were none. Was the retitling of it. Yeah, yeah, because ten Little Indians isn't the most respectful title. Well, but you know, uh so, but I felt like that was a reference that I could be over looking into things, but it really did feel like it, and I love for for context. As Jeffrey Jones is talking about them, he's eating walnuts, so he's just he's got a mouthful of food as he's talking.

49:47 The whole time, he's eating and eating and eating. And then how do we transition out of the scene by him saying, like, so and so is the cook I would recommend not eating but most but most Yeah, but most men have to and going over our posse. So. Toffler is played by Jeremy Davies. He played Charles Manson in the two thousand and three Helder Skelter. He's also Dicky on Justified. Yeah. We also have George, who is played by Joseph Running Fox Cleaves David Arquette, Yes, and our Quette honestly very well used yes in this because he's kind of just the goofball guy. Yeah, but when he has to be dramatic, he does a really great job. Yeah. And then Major Knox is played by Steven Spanella and Martha is played by Sheila Tawsei. Great cast of actors in this The supporting cast of this film makes it all the more fun than it is too. Oh, everybody in it is on their game. Yeah. So Boyd flashes back and we see everything happen as it unfolds with him being buried under his dead He climbs out takes the station, and that's when you find out that his promotion was completely an insult to him, because they're like, we're gonna shoot you, or we can send you here, So they get him completely out of the hair. Later that night, Heart asked Boyd if he wants to join him because Knox has just knotted off drunk and passed out, and he's like, he's got some excellent bourbon. Yeah, and he's like, you know, you think on mine. He's like, I don't know. So then that night, as they're drinking, a stranger appears outside the window, a lonely traveler who's near death from frostbite. So they take him in and bathe him, and that's when we meet Calhoun, and so they have a signed offer to watch over him. The next morning, Calhoun wakes up and he asked where he is, and he nearly breaks down when he finds out that he's north into Nevados, and he is freaking out and

51:21 he's like, you know what, you know what? Where heart asked him how long have you been out there? He's like three months and he's like without food, and he goes yeah. But then he goes ask him again and he's like, well, he said, I did I said there wasn't food. I didn't say we had anything to eat. I didn't say we had nothing to eat. I said we had no food, which I think is a really great way to kind of bring this about. Yeah, that moment I said there was I said there was no food, not that there was nothing to eat. Yeah. So then we get the story that Calhoun was part of a wagon train of six and their guy, Colonel Ives, had an idea for a route that was off the trail that would get them quicker through the Sierras. So the guy claimed to know a shorter route, but unfortunately winter hits before they reach the Nevadas and they have to go into a cave because that's the only way of shelter they have at this point.

52:06 Yeah, which I mean a cave is a good, good enough shelter, Yeah, if you're not starving to death. So they go into the cave and they shortly run out of food. They eat the oxes, they eat the horses, they eat the chickens, and then they start eating their belts and their shoes. But the hunger still persists. It and yet we persist, and yet we persist. So they remain famished and unfortunately have to turn to cannibalism, which they do so by one of their own dying of malnourishment. Calhoun says that he wasn't for the idea, but walking back into the cave and finding out that they were cooking his legs and the smell of it, he was He smiled at the smell of meat, is what he says. Yeah, And when we find out Calhoun what his real deal is, it's fascinating that he's telling the story because a spoiler alert, where's the spoiler alert? His story is a bunch of bullshit. Yeah, why why even confess to cannibalism? Yeah, Uh, if you're gonna just if you're gonna just tell it everybody, or you're just gonna Yeah, Like, I don't know, I thought that he's fucking with him. The way he spends it though, is what gets him out there, and that's that's the genius move on his part. Yeah, that is. That's a fair point. So things get out of hand and they decide that they're going to keep going with the killing, and that's when Calhoun starts to notice. The party starts going.

53:15 One goes, another goes and then hits just him, ives and McCready's wife, and mccreedy was one of the people left over. So Calhoun decides to flee for his life because he knows that he's going to die if he stays there, and that's when he has wound up. Now it's Fort Spencer, yes, and they've managed to warm him up. He seems oddly well, yeah, he's he's only a little skinny, yeah, which they mentioned kind of immediately, and then he immediately says like you should have seen me before I was thirty pounds heavier and all this stuff, and uh yeah. So now, of course Jeffrey Jones character Colonel Hart, he hears of this and he's like, well, we've got to you gotta go find are you crazy? Yeah, And he's like it's our job, Yeah, it's our job. We gotta go out there, and that's when George pulls his attention aside and tells him the myth of the wind to go, which, Enrique, would you like to take this? The Windy Go? Oh man, Well, I've covered this a lot on my show Weekly Spooky and the Windigo is an old Native American legend, mostly algonquin and alba juwey. Sorry if I'm saying that a little harsh or wrong, but mostly around where we're from, the Ohio's, Indiana places like that, And it's basically the story of hunger and desperation in the winter leading people to cannibalism, and then once they consume a human being, they consume human flesh, they get inherited by a spirit, a spirit known as the Wendy Go, and the Wendy Go in this movie it's simplified, but the Wendygo references a need for more gluttony.

54:50 It represents a selfishness that takes over your soul and makes you hungry for more, and basically, long in the show, once you've eaten human flesh, you can never stop anything. Flesh. Nothing will sate your hunger, not even really the human flesh with and that's the other thing. A lot of the Wendigo stories say that the more you eat, the thinner you get, and you just keep going and going until eventually you'd go mad and die hunger. And that's the thing is you you basically either kill your fellow man or you starve to death, and there's no other choice. And a lot of people think that the Wendigo myth was about properly what's the word, properly demonizing cannibalism in the native world at that time, because a lot of people had risked or potentially committed cannibalism because the winters were so harsh, I mean, so brutal. I mean, this is beyond you know, they were natives and they didn't no, no, they knew how to live and they knew when they were going to die in those weather situations. So that was kind of the concept, was that it was like there was this idea to make it an ultimate taboo, to where it was like, no, no, no, if you eat human flesh, you'll be cursed, not just you know, sad about it. Yeah. So, and obviously human flesh eating, as we've been talking about, has been a taboo for a very long time, and nearly every culture there's references to cannibalism and things like that.

56:15 But it is interesting that they bring up the Windy Go because when the movie started and I realized that they were out near California, I was like, well, there aren't a lot of believers in the Windy Go out there. They mentioned that it's from up north, but really it'd be far east, of course, like the Midwest basically of America, like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, places like that. I always joke when I go on my trips up to northern Michigan and I'm like, way up in the middle of nowhere, in the dead snow. I always joke that, like I'm just like, ah, like I just stopped driving once I hear the Wendy Go scream. That's what I know. I'm in the right place. I'm always going where the Wendy Go lives to hang out. And I always say, if I ever saw that Wendy Go, I'd kiss him on the mouth. So anyway, but no, So that's basically a Wendy Go legend. Now there are a lot of variations and stuff like that, but basically, if you eat a person. It'll make you feel amazing and powerful, but it'll make you greedy and gluttonous for more. Yeah, of every and often it's of everything, not just not just not just human flesh, but power and strength and women and money and everything. Yeah.

57:15 So this version, he says eating the flesh of another man gives the man his strength that he consumes and he wants more. So Heart asks George. He's like, well, that doesn't happen anymore, does it? And he goes, well, people break the bread of Christ every Sunday and he's like, I do love that. He's like, actually, I mean Jesus has a cannibal element to it. So Colonel hart, Toffler, Boyd, Reich, George, and Calhoun set out for the cave, and we see them trekking through the Nevadas. They stop for a night for camp. They're continuing the next morning, trekking through the hills, and at one point Heart they're on top of a peak and he's like, all right, bourbon break. So they stop and sip some bourbon, and Boyd takes the opportunity to ask Calhoun about the effects of consuming flesh. You know, did he feel anything different? You know? It's like, oh, yeah, I heard that legend. He's like, I guess you could say that I felt like a little revitalized, you know, after the first taste. You could say that.

57:58 But you wouldn't be freaked out by hearing that, because when you're starving, any food in your stomach would make you feel amazing, It really would. I mean, I mean, gosh, I mean any any time have you ever eaten like a you know, just a fine meal but you were starving. Oh yeah, you know. I mean, if you're starving, a brick of ramen noodles is good, You're gonna be like, You're gonna be like, oh man, yeah, so good. That was one thing I learned doing a lot of intermittent fasting. I would do like a seventy two hour fast. Whatever you eat, it could be plain kale, and you would be like, it's so good for us. Plain corn would taste sweet as candy, so like it does. It amplifies your your taste buds and stuff. Of course, I did not eat human flesh after by no, not yet. So he takes the up Jude to ask Calhoun. Calhoun says, revitalized him up on the top of the hill, Toffler finds a bone, but he's not paying attention, and he suddenly falls down the backside rolling on some rocks and gets stabbed in the side by some jagged rocks.

58:58 So Toffler is off a little bit. We see him being bandaged by Reich later in a tent, and he's also requesting bourbon though, which I love because at first he shouts bourbon, nobody moves bourbon. Yeah, I love that. Burba do You Even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to do You Even? Movie? So he's being bandaged by Reich and Reich takes notice that Boyd is uneasy when he sees blood. Later that night, Taffler wakes up screaming as the tent is illuminated to reveal that Calhoun was licking his wounds and his mouth actually has bloodcaked around. Yeah, he doesn't even hide it because once, once, he once he's called out for it, he's just like, please, like tie me up or something, because I couldn't resist. Yeah, and that's where we get that legendary he was lose like it, which is just one of the top moments of the whole film. Yeah, So Calhoun is bound and he's in Reich's hands as they're leading him on a little rope across the rest of the trip. And they get to the cave and that's when you see Calhoun start to freak out.

1:00:06 He's approaching it and he's just getting nervous and begging them to go back. Yeah, and the way the one guy describes it is he says he's spooked, which is how you describe animals usually. Yeah, he's just shaking and panicked and afraid. So the group stations outside the cave as Heart calls to missus McCready and Colonel ives no answer, so he sends Boyd and Reich in to investigate. Inside the cave, a discovery has made that it's five bodies instead of four, meaning the Calhoun is the killer killed ives and all of them. And outside Calhoun we see is digging up a knife. Toffler, noticing this, is calling to him, and that's when Heart comes over. He's like he spooked. He goes to the cave as Reich and Boyd are calling to him to like kill Calhoun. He's a trader, h m. And just as he starts to hear it, Calhoun sneaks up stabs Heart right in the gut and takes the knife and brings it right up, slicing him.

1:00:52 Yeah, it's brutal and the beginning of many moments of brutality. Yeah. So George has seen this happen. He's up on a ram and he goes to hit Calhoun with an axe, but Calhoun spins Heart's body around as he takes the axe. He takes Heart's pistol off him shoots George dead. So now it's just Toffler and Calhoun, and of course Toffler's freaking out, and hilariously, Calhoun goes up to him. He's walking up with the knife and Tauffler's just frozen. He's like, run, yeah, run, And so Toffler goes off, screaming up the other side of the stream. That's when we have Boyd and Raich reach the cave and they are trying to find Toffler, who's screaming, and they go over to the side they're calling for him. Calhoun's laughing hysterically. Suddenly they find Toaffler and he has been completely good. And it's important to point out Calhoun's mentality has changed entirely. Now he is playful and insane. Yeah, before he was fearful and he had like a secret maybe, but he was not a nut job. Well, now he is just going fully hanniballector. And before he does the thing with run I forgot. He goes to shoot Toffler because he has the pistol still, and he goes and he clicks, doesn't go off, and he goes.

1:01:54 That's so annoying. No, he he has a lot of choice moments as a just total matter. Yeah. So Raike is trailing behind him to get to the side of the cliff. Reich fires a shot, but he misses him and he suddenly vanishes. So Wright goes over to the cliff. Boyd follows him, and suddenly Calhoun drops down from some trees, throwing a knife at Reich, which takes him over the side of the cliff. And now it's just Boyd and Calhoun face to face. Yeah, and it is a terrifying moment. Terrifying. There's something about a human being being like him knowing that he is hungry for your flesh. Yeah, that is truly mortified. So Boyd fires his rifle, dropping Calhoun to the ground, but he shortly sits up and he's laughing, and he's now cornered boys to the edge of the cliff. So Boyd has no choice and he just doubles back and jumps over the side of the cliff, falling down. Yeah, he pulls a John Rambo. He just jumps onto the tree and hopes that the branches will slow his fall enough that maybe he'll live live. Yeah, but it gets pretty ugly as he falls down the tree and realizes his comrade is also in that tree, and he ends up taking him with him, and then they end up falling into some kind of a hole in the ground. And it's it's talk about mortifying. I know, he keeps saying mortifying. This movie is mortifying, mortifying as his buddy was, you know, the other one who they were not big friends big friends, is hanging upside down and he's sitting there trying to figure out what happened and where they landed. He's just choking up and choking up. Well, no, he's choking on and then you realize he's alive. Yeah, he's not. I don't think he's

1:03:27 laughing. I think he's just dying smiling. I don't think he's smiling. I think he's just upside down. I'm just I'm my personal opinion, He's just upside down. He choke him and then start strangling him. Yeah, yeah, and then he falls, choking stops, and then it's just him in the hole with him. So now Calhoun starts making his trek down the mountain looking for them, and since they're covered in this hole, Calhoun doesn't find them. So then we see Calhoun just having a barbecue as he's dragging other bodies into the cave. Yep. And as I commented immediately, I was like, look at that. No smartphones, just people in the moment. But so now are I mean character is stuck in a situation where he's horribly injured. Yep. He's stuck in that hole. Yeah, he's freezing and starving, and he knows because the Wendy go is real, yeah, that if he eats that flesh, he will get his strength. He will get not just his strength, but he'll heal, He'll heal, he'll completely be back to it. And this guy that died with him was a tough mother hover, yes, he was, so eating his flesh would bring you up, you know. So eventually he makes that choice, gives in mainly because he just wants out of that hole and to potentially stop Calhoun. Yeah, and while this is happening, we also see Cleaves and Martha have arrived back. It's Fort Spencer and they're on the lookout for them. We see them doing about their test, but they keep looking towards the hills waiting for them to come back. So, uh, Boyd wakes up the next morning and begins his trek back to Fort Spencer alone. He's trekking through the hills and the snow and makes it back. He goes to ask Martha as soon

1:04:57 as he's back about the wind to go and how to stop it, and Mark That tells him there is no stopping it. Yeah, there ain't no stopping There are no legends where you can stop a Wendy go once you become one, Yeah, I mean it's over. So he's also called on Durdin General Slawson to send him to the cave to find the bodies and inspect and everything. And he's basically being blamed for the deaths at this point. Oh, basically because they when he tells his story, the first thing they have is they're like, look, we're not saying you're lying. But if you admit now that you were scared and confused and tell us what really happened that they died of misadventure, that you were scared, that you da da da da da, will be kinder to you. And of course his response is, no, I saw what happened to them. A man named Calhoun murdered them. And his response is like, hold up, fam we don't believe you, but we got to replace your commanding officers, so we got someone to take care of business until we figure out what we're going to do next.

1:05:56 So Slawson tells him they have a new temporary colonel joining and introduce U. His klonel eves as Calhoun walks in in full soldier attire, causing Boyd to immediately panic. And he's cleaned up, cleaned, his facial hair is shaved nicely, and at that moment we realize no one who got a good look at Calhoun is still alive, except not for our man. So he tells him that Knox can confirm that that's Knox didn't get a good look. That's my point. Knox was drunk and passed out, does not recall him, but Knox humors him, saying that if Boyd shot him in the shoulder, the wound would still be there. So they invite Ives in and he strips his shoulders out and there are no bullet wounds anyway, And that's where we establish that it's almost where will fly healing of capability. That's where we really get the sense that it's like, no, it can literally make you invincible almost as long as you keep eating, you keep getting stronger. So Slows and his troops leave and Boyd goes to warm up, or goes to warm clean worn Cleave and mar Cleaves and Martha, but he finds Cleaves talking shit about him and that he's crazy and he's the killer. So he's like, you know, well you've been worn. And then Boyd is out watching Cleaves chops some wood, and he has this crazy vision that he goes up to Cleve, hits him with the hammer and then just starts cutting him open and eating him while Cleves laughs at him. Yeah, that's the part that like, I love that because that's insane. Yeah, he's just laughing and coughing up blood as he's ripping into his flesh. Yeah, And it's at that moment that he mentions later on he keeps mentioning, like, I have these nightmares, these constant nightmares, yeah, about eating flesh, and it's tormenting me. And that maybe because Boyd is not a monster. No he's

1:07:30 not. I mean he's becoming a monster, yeah, but he himself is not a monster monster, And I don't think we can say so about Calhoun, not just yet. No, no, no, no, Calhoun is a monster. He's a human monster. He is very, very scary of this. So Boyd has the crazy vision and the next we see the five of them all in the cabin parlor, just enjoying the evening. You got Calhoun reading a book, Knocks and Cleaves are doing our playing chess, and Martha's knitting, and Boyd is just one watching Calhoun and he's almost falling asleep. Yeah, yeah, he's starting to nod off. He reminds me of a cat. Yeah, So I've shuts his book really quick, getting everybody on the alert. As Boyd rises up with a knife and Martha draws a knife on Boyd, and Calhoun's like, all right, I think everybody it's time for bed. Yeah, I think everyone might be a bit tie.

1:08:17 So later that night, Boyd sits outside a Calhoun's hut with a knife, and he comes out and he tells Boyd that, you know, I found Riich's body. You didn't finish him off. I get it. He was tough, but a good old a good soldier ought to be. Yeah, he's so Hannibal Electory. Now. Yeah, he's smoking, smoking his cigarette and he's just out, you know, just telling him everything. And he talks about how he learned the legend of the wind to go from an Indian scout and you know, hearing it, he just had to try it. So at first he ate the Indian scout, Yeah, which I mean his Yeah, these his monologues are incredible in this so good. So that confirms that he was right. And then he admits that he is eating five men in three months, and he calls Boyd out on being a coward because he knows the power, he knows what it can do, but he's still not doing it. So hearing this, Boyd takes his swipe and ives, cutting his hand open, and Ives tries to entice him with the set of blood, reminding him of the smell and the taste and how you would feel better.

1:09:09 Boyd refuses, but he goes to attack eyes, but Martha comes up, draws a knife to his throat, and Knox puts Boyd under arrest. Yeah, and of course all of this because perfectly Calhoun is making Boyd look like he's the psychopath he was killing and eating people. Yes, and frankly, since he is a Wendy go, you know, he looks he hasn't eaten since that one time. He looks sickly, he looks unwell, he looks crazy. And on top of that, this man who, as far as everybody's concerned, he never met. He's positive he's met him before. Yeah, and it just looks real bad about to get worse because Knox calls for Martha to go find cleaves. She can't find cleaves, so she goes into the barn and finds all the animals slaughtered. And we're talking Head's hanging up, Torso's hanging up. So somebody has intentionally got in they're slaughtered and has eaten some of these animals, and animals in this context, I mean we're talking horses Oxen thing like, we're talking animals that would have allowed them to go get help quickly and efficiently. Because it's a big there's a big difference between riding a horse out to get help and hiking for three days.

1:10:15 Yeah, big difference. So she runs a tel Knox and as she walks up to the window, she's calling to Knox and starts to have some blood fall on her face. That's when she looks up and starts getting terrified because Knox walks out, stands with her and finds Cleave's body gutted on the roof of the cabin. And it's an incredible reveal where the blood is dripping onto her face and she's just so scared by it. She just stands there and shot. Yes. And that's when we realize that maybe something else is going on. Because Calhoun, I'm gonna keep calling him Calhoun because it's confusing that he changed. He becomes another character. Calhoun is only one man, and he was mostly just fighting with Boyd all night. Yeah, who killed all these animals? Stuff? Like when could he have done it? Yes?

1:10:57 So now if I remember the young lady, what was her name, Martha, Martha, She's got it. They ask for volunteers. Who's gonna go get health help? Yeah? They want to place military arrest. Yeah, and she volunteers because as a native woman. She can handle that hype, and she knows where she's going. Yeah, and frankly, I wouldn't want to be I think she also just didn't want to be there anymore. Her last friend she lost her husband, remember he was the Native American that was on the trip. And then her brother brother, Oh sorry, brother, thank you. And then Arquette was her brother's best friend, and then was the one who she leaned into when she was mourning him. And now he's gone too. So it's like if I was her, I'd be like, yeah, I'm gonna go get him, and then I'm also not gonna come back. So now we have two cannibals, one evil and one neutral.

1:11:49 Yeah, and this poor drunk, good enough doctor. I'm sure he'll farewell. I'm sure he's going to do very well. As they have BOYD tied up, yes, awaiting because they can't do anything else with because they're awaiting military military prison. So you got boyd, Ives and and Major Knocks are all together now, and we see that Ives is preparing a stew as he calls to Boyd, calls to Knox because he wants to know he's still alive. Ives is Calhoun, Yes, Ives is Calhoun. Knox questions Ives about his missing saber, because he notices in the parlor that one of his sabers is missing above the fireplace, and before he mentions that, he says one of my favorite little moments. He asks Calhoun if he can help him make the stew yes, and Calhoun says, oh, I'm sure you'll contribute to it. Later, we'll take your contribution to he'll contribute it something. So Ive states that he hasn't seen it, and perhaps later that you might contribute to the soup. Boyd asked Ives when did he have time to kill cleaves and the horses, which pisses Knocks off. So he goes to shut the door on Boyd. While he does that, we see somebody with his sabers slip behind and then Knox comes back into the room. He's like, well, who opened that door? He goes to shut the door and we hear Knox go oh, And then Major Knox is dead. Boyd, here's the body hit and the door opens, and what do you know? It's Colonel Heart. Colonel Heart Jeffrey Jones not dead, but he looks, I mean, he looks much better than a dead man. He's you know, he's like he walks in, He's like, hi, boyd. Yeah, what a great twist, and what a great way to keep us on our toes

1:13:23 as an audience, because I would not have seen that coming in the little least. The first time I watched this, I was like, holy shit, I did not expect that. Yeah, and he's he's a little bloody, he's a little worse for wear, but obviously, like we said before, he had his guts were spilling out before, so so he's doing a lot better than now. And that's when we find out that Calhoun awoke him feeding him human remain, and we strike, and this is when we start to realize that one of the big elements of what Calhoun is doing is actually that he doesn't want to be a low It was pursuit of human flesh. He wants to have cannibal buddies, and he's sold Jeffrey Jones's character on the idea of you and me are going to be cannibal buddies. But of course Jeffrey Jones's reaction is like, I like you, BOYD, Like I really do. I have no intention to kill you. It's it's tough making friends as a cannibal, tough making friends as a cannibal. But it's such a good line. But that also makes you realize something again, which is Calhoun is a particularly monstrous Wendy go because even Jeffrey Jones, he's clearly perverted by the whole Because then in the next scene they finished the stew with Knox's body.

1:14:40 Yeah, and they're eating it and it's it's, you know, a big stew with carrots and potatoes. Well before that, yeah, he takes Boyd outside because that's when they unveil the plan that because ives Calhoun unveils that you know, this Ford is gonna be is so busy in spring and summer that we'll have people come through. We're not going to kill all of them, will kill selectively, but you know, it's just gonna be on the dinner table as soon as the as soon as winter finishes. And while he's doing this, he's hacking up our Knox's body. And it is a great speech. Thank you, I didn't I almost went right over it. It's a great speech about manifest destiny and all the gold hungry Americans that have to pass right through here. Yeah, and so many of them. You never hear from again. Nope, so, and I do like how he's trying. He's like, we will kill selectively. Yeah, we won't kill everybody.

1:15:23 No no, no, we'll kill very selectively. But it's like he's really trying to sell him on this, like, let's be Cannibal Bros. Which, by the way, is the name of your debut album, Thank You, coming out twenty twenty five Innerscope Records. Jesus, do You Even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to Do You Even Movie? At this point too, he also, you know, tells Boyd the plan and he's like, you know, join us or die, and that's when he stabs Boyd, basically gives him a final death stab and if he doesn't do anything with these wounds, they're gonna kill him. Yeah. Yeah.

1:16:06 Basically it's like that won't kill you. He says, that won't kill you if you eat or if you take precautions. So I think it was it was a line like that, but he was referenced he was saying flash yeh yeah. Basically, now now you have no choice. Before you were slowly dying of hunger. Now you are just dying and the only way out is to take a bite of stew. And this scene is disgusting and upsetting, and it was one of the ones that got to me a lot as a kid. And as he's resisting and resisting, and as Jeffrey Jones is eating and being so happy that he's gonna feel so much better, and Calhoun is just a freaking nutter, because Calhoun is a nut job, Jeffrey Jones is the line, isn't this nice three of them sitting? Yeah, No, it's it's it's the insanity is palpable. And at that moment, after a lot of uh, we see that Boyd's wound is just lea he's gonna die coughing up blood, and he's just got this thing of stew in front of him, and he gives in and he just starts eating the stew and you know, he's gulping it down. And then we cut to a couple of days later. He's completely fine. He's looking very well and and and that's the moment when the movie really became hard for a young Enrique watching in his little little living room. And I could see that in suburban Ohio.

1:17:25 So we see Boyd watching ives and heart prepare for general Slawson's arrival because Martha's bringing him back today. Heart visits Boyd asking him if he's to be trusted because they need to set him free so that they can you know, get Ives and everybody under control so they can take the fort. And he goes, you know, can you be trusted? And Boyd goes, of course not. So then we see Boyd being led out and Ives is watching from the watch tower for General Slawson's wagon. Heart goes into his old office with Boyd, unlocks his cuff, and he comments on all his missing books and how they all related to the same thing, you know, of happiness and how to achieve it. Yeah, to which Boyd responds, Aristotle's search was for truth, yeah, which I just love that line, Like for some reason, he he knows it. Yeah, it was Aristotle. He knows Aristotle because he was like, because I got confused for Resent because they Quoe Nietsche at the beginning. Yeah, Yeah, he's like, he's like Aristotle search for truth. And this is also a great scene too, to demonstrate the change Jeffrey Jones character, because we talked about in the beginning he was eating the walnuts and he was having trouble crushing them so that he started using books to do it. Now he just crushed them with his hand. He's not fisting them, David, crushing them with his fists. Please, no, David. So he's crushing these walnuts. That needs to be the first do you even movie t shirt? Just Dave fisting them. So he's crushing these walnuts, and that's when he breaks down and tells Boyd that this is not how he wants to live. He does not want to do this anymore.

1:18:45 He's already figured it out and didn't take him long to realize he's not a monster. He's not a monster. So he freezes Boyd because Boyd says, you know, I'm gonna go kill Calhoun. So he freezes Boyd and he goes, you know, boy to have one more request, kill me. And Boyd wastes no time walking up to the window that he's looking out of. Right his eyves is coming off the watch tower and he just slices Jones throat. Blood sprays on the window. Calhoun walks up and sees this, and you even see I love because Jeffrey Jones gives him one last look that's like, you're not gonna win. Yeah no, And that's why I love. One of the things I love is that, like, I don't know if Jeffrey Jones the character, I don't know if he really was on board at first and then realize the reality, or if he always just wanted to have an upper hand on Calhoun. I don't he was just lonely, because I mean, that's that is all the biggest things that he throws in the mood in the first part of the movie is just you know, this is a place where not a lot of people come. We make our own company here. It's good to have company. Well, when he says like you search for truth, he's like, well, my I did everything right searching for truth and I ended up here, yeah, which is a really fair point. Yeah. Yeah. So now it is the final battle as Ives catches Boyd the Powler unsheathing one of the sabers, and the two go into a vicious battle. They cut each other a little bit and then Ives.

1:19:58 Calhoun disappears out and Boyd is looking for him. Suddenly a bell rings, which takes him over to the barn. So he goes into the barn and that's when there's just stabbing implements galore all over the place. We are not going to be able to describe this fight properly. Calhoun drops from the ceiling at one point and they get into a huge fight. So he picks up a pitchfork and he jabs Calhoun in the side, and then he tries to get him in the face and he holds it off, and that's when they just start throwing each other all over the room, stabbing, cutting, stabbing, cutting, stabbing, And it finally gets to one point where Boyd draws him over to one section of the barn, which he has the roof collapse on, so he's buried him and he wanders off, and then he calls him over one more time and they go into this other section of the barn. They're throwing each other against the wall, and Calhoun gets thrown into one part of this room where boy draws him into, and that's when he lands onto a bear trap that he activates on both of them. They land together. Yes, they're gripping each other. He drops him onto this gargantuan grizzly bear trap, and remember grizzlies are out that way. Yeah, so they'd have the biggest bear traps in the world. And when he falls on it together, he just starts hitting it and hitting it to make it snap, and it snaps on both of them them what I'm ending to the fight.

1:21:06 And as they are dying, as they are suffering and choking blood, Calhoun immediately goes, if you die first, you're definitely eating you. And he's like, but the question is if I die, what are you gonna do? Yeah, what are you gonna do? And that's when and at that moment you hope as the audience, that BOYD will die and let the Wendy go die. Yeah, but there's a little poisoned pill in the in this in this mess. By this point, General Slosson and Martha have returned to the fort and they can't find anybody, of course, so they're searching around and Slosson just happens to notice the pot on the stove and goes over and starts taking a couple of SIPs out of it and really really likes that soup. Yeah, and it's probably still x yes, maybe even somebody oh and probably leaves. Yeah, you're watching it. When he was stirring, you see like a big rib bone. Yeah, and you were like, man, look at that ribbone, and I was like, David, that's how you make broth. Oh, I know, bone broth. It was just making a time. It was just funny, though, David, that's how you make a And then I was like, so in his dying breaths, Calhoun is going live or die, Live or die, and then suddenly he gets to that last one and goes. Just at this point, Martha peeks into the barn, sees both Boyd and Calhoun have passed, closes the barn and just quietly backs away outside of the forts. And that, my friends, Yeah, she leaves, she's done some ditches, And that, my friends, is nineteen ninety nine's ravenous. A phenomenal film worth revisiting,

1:22:41 especially in the cold, hungry winter months. Yes, when you find yourself only with a can of Spam and a Blu ray player, this is what you should have brought to your cabin. Uh, you know. I mean, maybe I wish there there are some good ones out there, but I wish there were more really good when movies, there are a couple good. I liked it, but I wish there was one that was a little more like what was that when we saw Antlers Antlers was pretty good. I want one that's I want one that's like Balls to the Walls, but but subtle enough to be scary. So not Frostbighter, although Frost Fighter is fun podcast.

1:23:27 I mean, if I wish there were enough Windy Go films to talk about, I would do Wendy Go Wednesday. You know, we do Wendy Go Week but no. I but I enjoyed this one. I think that the Wendy Go references are It's subtle, it's minor. It's not like this is a movie about Algonquin folklore or something. And I really I love this movie. I love the style, but I really love that the characters got to have a choice. Yeah, and that's when you realize that the Wendy Go only opens the door to being a monster. But if you are a monster, you'll run fast as you can. Let alone the fact that he sought it out, but just the fact that he was running to it.

1:24:13 Jeffrey Jones's character thought he wanted it. When he saw the reality, he didn't want it. Boyd thought, in one moment of desperation, he wanted it, and never took that desperation. Never took desperation bring him there again because as he you know, he drank the soup. He only did that so he could stop till again. No, he was only alive for one purpose purpose, and that was to stop them from killing the innocent people passing through that fort. Which brings him full circle because then he didn't take He wasn't a coward because he could have died. And that's what I also love. Another great point had the opening of him being a coward and he wins, But in this sense, he's not a coward and he wins. Yeah. Originally he sneaks up on the enemy because they would never expect him to pop up from pile of dead bodies stab someone and then gets ready to shoot somebody. So he takes it from the this was the Spanish or the Mexican American war war you but this time around he faces it head on. He sacrifices a lot, including his own life, but not just his own life, but kind of it away his soul and his reputation because he's going to be blamed for these murders. There's no way he's not going to be.

1:25:17 I don't know if anybody will be able to figure out what the hell happened. And that I mean because just explaining Jeffrey Jones's character still being alive would be a little hard true, I mean, who cares about his reputation? My point is that like his soul metaphorically because he had to eat the flesh twice. Yeah, but he did it for a good good Yeah, good cause. So I agree. So my point is I agree and wholeheartedly the idea of him being a coward at the beginning. Yeah, by the end of this he's kind of the biggest hero there is. Yeah. I love, I really love how it comes full circle. Ravenous Is is a really fun one. And so considering how phenomenal the movie is, I mean, it must have just lines around the block in the theaters, right. So it opened on March nineteenth of nineteen eighty nine at eighteenth in the box office, grossing over just teen eight teeth, grossing over just two million dollars against it's twelve million dollar budget. Friends, that doesn't mean two million dollars that weekend, No, he means two million dollars this entire theatrical run. Yep.

1:26:18 And it was also it was like a Fox two thousand movie, which which listen whether it's movies or pro wrestling. If you add two thousand or new to an old name, everybody knows, Ye, it ain't gonna work. No, it's gonna be It's gonna go poorly. And I think that this was Fox kind of dipping their toes in a different kind of concept because they would always did that Fox Searchlight. They had all these different different concepts and labels and stuff like that. But this, I I can only guess, based on looking at the original poster that they had no clue what they had. They had no idea how to market it, yet for some reason they felt fine spending twelve million dollars on it. And that's the thing that blows my mind is it's like you spent twelve million on it, which means logic dictates you probably spent ten million marketing. That was the best you could come up with. Yeah, but uh, and you said it came out in March, March and March nineteenth of nineteen eighty nine, so it wasn't even dumped in genuine was not dump dumped, was not dumped. I mean it's dumped a little for not being out in the summer, but still, yeah, that's that's Uh, that's a shame, that really is. Would you like to know some more fun facts. I don't think they're gonna be fun, They're not going to hell. Yeah wait, David, don't call them fun facts, call them tasty tidbit tasty tidbits. Oh yeah. So this was John Spencer's last film. He played General Slows in between its release.

1:27:38 He died of a heart attack in December, of a December Fifth of Night. Yes, super fun facts. That shut up. It takes twenty five minutes for Boyd to utter his first sentence in the film, because that's when he's talked to Jones. Yeah, that's true. Very loosely inspired by the Donner Party of eighteen forty seven. Even though the ives backstory is very similar to Alfred Packer, it is kind of similar to Alfred Packer. Yeah. The original ending was suppose take place on the roof of burning cabins, but it was scrapped as Pearson Carlisle figured out at this point they just wanted to beat the hell out of each other in the story. Okay, that's fair enough. Yeah, I can see that. I mean it is like it is like this movie is like the fight version of like a romantic comedy, just cock teasing you all the way through the film, Like the entire movie, you're just waiting for them to finally show down because remember the first time they have their showdown, he jumps yeah and runs yes, and that showdown production ran out of fake blood. Oh my god, I believe that.

1:28:33 So Guy Pierce, a well known vegan, had to do several takes of him eating the lamb stew, which was prepared by set caterer's very delicious stew from what Robert Carlisle said, so he would take a bite and then immediately spit it out when Antonio Bird called cut. I mean, I that's not that uncommon on movies anyway, because people don't You have no idea how many takes you have to do on some of these movies. People eating food and movies is crazy. So often they're just spitting food out a take after take, especially actresses, because they're watching what they eat very closely. So, I mean, that's not shocking to me. But I am surprised he was a vegan. In nineteen ninety nine, there weren't that many vegans yet, not yet. No. Yeah, So the final thought for Ravenous, I am gonna give this a rent. It this is a very entertaining horror film. May not be for everybody because of the cannibal aspects to it.

1:29:15 I mean it's it's a bleak film with a lot of dark humor too. It's not a family meal now, no sarily. But to me, this is a great adventure horror with beautiful scenery, fun characters, and no one's safe in this movie, which builds up the tension even more. Yeah, it keeps you guessing massively. Yeah, and the isolation aspect drives it forward because you're isolated with a monster, you know, and they know that you know. And this is just an underrated late nineties gem to man. But do you know that they know that? You know? Oh, they know that. I know that you know. So you know how we always like to end the show with a recommendation. I've got two this time around. Okay. I went with horror westerns and obvious one. First twenty fifteen's Bone Tomahawk. Okay, I could see that in the dying days of the Old West, and elderly sheriff and his posse set out to rescue their town's doctor from a cannibalist at Cave Dwellers. This is a very good movie, but it's a slow burn and it is very gruesome, extremely gruesome. Yeah, you earn the pain that that movie leaves you in. Yeah. And the other one I'm gonna give is one I'm dying to show you and we need to do it sometime soon. Curse of the Undead from nineteen fifty nine.

1:30:15 This is a black and white horror western. It says, while Meladi is claiming the lives of young women in western town, a sinister gunslinger for hire, Drake Roby, is really a vampire, and it's up to Preacher Dan to save his town and his girlfriend. I would like to watch it. It's fantastic. It was one I discovered from letterbox. I saw a couple of review it and that's how I found out. About a couple years ago, got a Keyno Blue ray and it is phenomenal. Well, I'm about to blow your mind with my recommendation. Go ahead, No, you're not gonna guess them. Okay, You're never gonna guess these. Okay, Okay, So number one, I'm gonna go horror Western. Five Bloody Graves by al Adamson, good call. I really like five Bloody Graves is cheesiest hell. Al Adamson's movies are not high quality, yeah, but they are a lot of fun. Yeah. It is a nasty, brutal little Western, yes it is, and it is it's charming in its way. And then my other recommendation, and I really debated this, and that's why I know Dave's gonna be like, what the fuck? But Bones and All that's a good call because Bones of It All made me queasy with the cannibalism. Although the romantic element is is you know, whatever, however you feel about it, I liked it. I liked it. So Bones and All is one that I think would be a really good pairing with this. It's a lot more highbrow, and literally I couldn't have gone more lowbrow and then highbrow with my recommendations. But I think if you want a movie about cannibalism, and especially about cannibalism as a metaphor for a desire to consume and a desire to

1:31:45 take and to give and all of that, that move I think Ravenous makes some really great points, and I think that Bones and All makes a really great point. So my recommendation is the artsy fartsy bones and all. I really, I really stand by that. I enjoyed it fine. I don't know if i'd i'd watched it time. So that all being said, I call it a rent it yeah, rent it for me too? Yeah, I think that. I mean, if you're a horror nut, if you're a nineties movie lover, because it's a two thousand move, it's really nineties movie a if you're a person who loves unsettling movies, yeah, then it's definitely for your collection. But as a as a common moviegoer, this is definitely an excellent curiosity to watch and give a give a fair shake too.

1:32:30 And it's uh, you know, we can't say this now because you've listened to the show, but if you can go in as blind as possible, that will be the best time you have with it. Yeah. And usually people have seen the movie or maybe they have it. But you know what, I found that a lot of people value spoilers way less than we do. I have really noticed that. Did you know that they did that whole study about trailers. People were like, what are the people the best of a trailers? Are? Like? Well, because when they show they show people trailers and then show them the movie. They respond most positively to what they saw in the trailer being in the movie. Yeah. And when I heard that, I was like, uh, because I you know me, Like, you'll be like, bro, did you see the trailer for blank movie? And I'll be like, Dave, I already said I'd go see it. Yeah, that's my I'll literally be like, I don't care, I'm already. I don't send you trailers anymore because either you a won't watch them or B we'll just catch them in the theater. Most of the time, I mean, occasionally if there's something crazy we've been waiting for, but if it's just like some movie we heard about and we already said, like, we're gonna go see it, yeah, I'll be like I might watch the trailer, I don't care. I'm already I'm already gonna go see it no matter what the trailer is. Well, I mean, it brings a good point too, that how many times have we seen trailers for movies and we're just like, oh, that looks like crap. We go and see the movie and the trailer did it the worst than justice possible. I mean, Taken is a great example that Taken had the crappiest marketing ever. I'm so glad the movie caught on anyway. Yeah, so ravenous my friends.

1:33:43 If you need something to chew on, yes, uh god, there are never enough canniba to warm you up and just get you know, all the good feelies of the winter and have you know a big bull of stew that's the way to do it. You worry me? Yeah, I should all right, So before we get out of here, Before we get out of here again, huge thank you to everybody for your comments on social media, on YouTube, on Instagram and everything about my buddy Chicano. I really appreciate it. It's still pretty fresh as we're recording this. It's only been a week and my head is still spinning. Big love to Dave. Last week when that all had happened, he was like, hey, man, I understand you want to do the show or whatever. And I was like, yeah, you're like, but if you want, I'll come over. And we came over and we went and saw a movie and just hung out for a minute and I was a fucking wreck. So just thank you, man.

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