My Bloody Valentine (1981)

0:02 In this town on Valentine's Day, everybody loses their heart. It looks like Harry Warden's back in town. In the town of Valentine Bluffs, there are many ways to die. Take your pick, my bloody Valentine. In a world where podcasts reign supreme, two friends dare to ask Do You Even?

0:44 Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David Denyer. Spoiler alert, Well, hello and a happy, lovely love day. Yes, yes, Valentine's Day is tomorrow, baby. Most likely it could be We're all living in a time that is either pre Valentine's Day or post Valentine's Day.

1:29 So welcome to a very special love themed episode of Do You Even? Movie. I'm your host Enrique Kuto here with my good buddy and co host Double D. David L. Denoyer is the l for blocked on LinkedIn. Ah man, I've been holding back jokes like that about you. Dave once heard a girl's feelings so much she blocked him on LinkedIn. All right, that's the TLDR for people haven't seen this second love episode. But yeah, so tonight we are talking about the immortal classic in the realm of horror Valentine's Day movies, which aren't a lot of a lot. We've seen them all, I think at this point, I mean, well, that's not saying much.

2:14 Valentine technically hospital masker, a GA X ray technically technically, yeah, I think that's it. In the remake, you would think Valentine's Day would be a more fertile ground, not just for horror movies movies in general, but with how much people love romances and stuff. There actually aren't a ton of Valentine's Days, not really. I mean, I know for a fact that because we've talked about it, that you haven't seen Gary Marshall's Valentine's Day that came out in like the early aughts. I want to say, I don't think so fantastic movie. I really like it. It's kind of it's kind of it's a little cheesy because it's it's all the multiple stories. I know, crazy Valentine's Day movie. Hold on, let's just uh watch out, guys. It's a hot take. But for the record, you're casting is like Ashton Kutcher, George Lopez, Gary Marshall's in At one point, you also have to for Grace and and Hathaway, I mean the David obviously you had me at George Lopez and Corey's. You got the two tailors of course. Well, I mean, why wouldn't they be. But yeah, so we're going to be diving deep into the mind and we were talking a little bit about that before we started the show because my people, well my mother's side, they're all from Kentucky and I know your people are actually ironically more of the Canadian side of the border, which is tragic, but well, I'll allow it. But my family had a long line of miners,

3:45 of people who worked in the coal mines. And this is going to blow people's minds, but being a coal miner is actually a really unpleasant and dangerous job. And that's what led my mother's family to Ohio, was escaping the mines. They were like no more of this. So much so that there's a saying. There's a phrase for people like my mother's family. They're called briar hoppers. Okay, so, which is pejorative. Don't as my sweet ant Betty used to always say, you never call a briar hopper a briar hopper unless you're a briar hopper. Betty used said all the time, but I didn't realize. I always thought that when I would hear people say briar hopper at family functions and stuff, I always thought that it was a because of context, because nobody sat down and went, now, now, little Rick, here's how that works, because they will call me Rick because that was not the Hispanic side. Yeah, but I always thought from context that it was a term for people from Kentucky because I would always hear the people saying briar hopper. Briar hopper were like my aunt Betty from Hazzard, Kentucky.

4:50 My mama was born in Hazzard, but she left at very young age. Most of that family was from Hazzard, Kentucky, which what a name. Yeah, but it was because they I don't remember the exact number, but they got tired of the amount of men and their family who died in the mines. I could see that, so briar hopper. When I googled it a couple months ago, it turns out this is gonna blow your mind. It literally means people from Kentucky who worked in the mines who came to southwestern Ohio for a different life. Wow, it literally is my family on my mother side, like like not even like a little bit. That's literally what they were. That's nuts. The idea being that they jump over the briar patch in Kentucky and came into Ohio's. So my family literally they're all a bunch of briar hoppers. And I can say that, yes, yeah, probably, and you can send your hate mail you know where to go.

5:44 But so that being said, there were a lot of like stories of loved ones working in the mines and and and actually my aunt Betty's father was a cold deliverer. He would walk around with a cold cart and you would order coal and he'd come and bring it to your house. Crazy, So there's a lot of mining in that. And then of course I my contribution is I'm a big fan of Enemy Mine, Yes, yes, which I really am, which I recommended on our Grumpy Old Men episode and will never be forgiven for a pair. That was the weirdest choice. But it felt it felt right. It did it to me? Did it to me? It felt right? Okay, fine, Well, before we jump in, I wanted to ask you, Dave, yes sir, much to my fear, after asking you a question about your personal life last time Valentine's Day?

6:33 Huh, how do you feel about Valentine's Day personally? Like did you have like were you like the cock of the walk in high school or in middle school or on Valentine'sday? Or were you the kid who, like you, didn't get a card except from the girl with a lazy eye? I was. I was. I was a bit anti Valentine's Day for first, Oh, you were an edge lord. I was a bit anti Valentine. Oh it wasn't, honestly. Oh man, It probably wasn't until my ties that I really got more accepting of it. And that's so pathetic. I was taught to love myself basically, is what it was like the day in the show, only in the shower, only in the shower the day. The day became what I made of it. So and I think, actually you you may have been one of the people that kind of inspired me to do it, but like it. It became a day where I would just like after work, I would usually just go get like a bottle of wine, some sushi and go home and just watch movies. What you mean is you were single? I was single? Yes for the most part. Yes.

7:29 Wait and I how did I inspire that I really want to understand that. It was probably one of those you know, Dave's bitching texts and you know, and I was probably like, I, this is how often in our friendship you'll just say something like sounds like you're the problem, just fucking do something nice. Yeah, yeah, I am that friend. No, you are. The irony of me making fun of you is that I was extremely anti Valentine's Day until almost my thirties. That makes sense. So uh, now that doesn't mean I did and like stomp my heels about it and stuff. But I would say, generally speaking, I haven't had a life that has lacked female companionship. I suppose that's not a brag. It's just like whatever. So I would generally be like, eh, I'm supposed to like, I'm supposed to love you every day, so why am I gonna love you more today? And then I learned that and this has become an element of every part of my life that you should just freaking celebrate every opportunity you get, because if you if you don't celebrate things because you're too busy being cynical, or you're like, well, maybe this isn't worth celebrating or maybe this isn't a big enough deal to celebrate. Then one day you're gonna wake up and realize you never celebrate it at all. So and I live that, and I still struggle with it. Like my humidor is full of special occasion cigars, and literally there will be days where it'll be like it'll be

9:03 like a Wednesday night, I'll be home alone, you know, and I'll put on a movie. I'll be like, dinner was good. I'm going to have one of the fancy cigars because I have like fifteen or twenty special occasion cigars. Yeah, and so it's like I gotta you know, it's like that meme that was going around that was like, you know, wear that fancy dress, drink that ballo bottle of wine because you may never you may never get a chance. Yeah, And I do believe that. I really do believe that any excuse to celebrate is a good reason. But I also understand that, you know, Valentine's Day is also kind of national rub singleness in your face day. Yeah, it absolutely can be. And I mean, and that's kind of where I started just looking at it, where it was just like, Okay, it's it's essentially just another day. I feel like even when you had girlfriends, like back in those that time period, yeah, you always managed to be single at Valentine's Day regardless. It's just never I didn't have very long lasting relationships. Was that point? But was it because winter made you have to be hear each other, like, you know, huddling for warmth. They were like, oh, I'm gidding, why me audio snow? But no, I don't even know the answer.

10:11 No, because you want to break up before Christmas to save money. I'm pressent. What do you know? Oh god, I am the style guide of this program. You just reminded me. Oh no, so we'll do another bad We'll do a bad day story. Okay, but I have to buy law play this, please no, David. So, the year is probably twenty twelve. I'm in college and my girlfriend at the time we I've told you this story many times. I'm sure you have told you this bit of the story. The problem is when you say, like, I'm gonna tell a sad story I've told you before, I'm like, I'm sure you have, but go on. Please. My current girlfriend at the time, I had never seen die Hard and it was getting to be Christmas time, and I was like getting really excited to show her die Hard and she jokingly said, you know, well, what's going to happen if I don't like it? And I jokingly said back, well, we'll probably break up, not not intending for that to happen, not intending for that to be what happened. So the day comes, we watched die Hard and at the end of it, she's like, yeah, that was fine. Like I didn't I didn't dislike it, but like it's it's fine, Like it's just another action movie. And like I was already having some issues with this person, unfortunately, and it just kind of got to a point in that night where it wasn't even die Hard, but like what happened was we we did end up breaking up, but to make matters worse. And this is the part of the story I never told you, so oh oh boy. I had gone Christmas shopping and the presence were in my closet and it just all beit all over all over the entire studio. That's number one. But number

11:45 two, were they Christmas shoes? No, they're okay, okay, they're not Christmas shoes. If I remember correctly, One of them was a DVD of Hunger Games, and I think the other was like either a booker or it was either a booker a video game. I can't remember. But anyway, in David's stupid moment, it was like, you know, we're we're we're doing the crying breaking up part and I'm and I'm like, well, wait, just one more thing before you go, and I was just like, I want you to have these, So I gave breakup gifts like you were just like, remember every contestant on David Denuter's Relationships gets turtlez and a copy of the Hunger Games Hunger Games. But at his job at FYE at the time, Oh well you're already winning dating. Yeah, I'm all employees.

12:31 So yeah, I unfortunately once in my life gave breakup gifts, as I look at it now, because they were Christmas gifts, but we were breaking up, and I was just like, I want you to have these. And now that I look back on that, I'm like, that wasn't a It wasn't my brightest moment. Hey Survey says on Dave giving parting gifts, all right, I mean it could be worse. It would be worse'll be dating or STDs. Well, I wasn't gonna wow. Well, so I would just like to clarify it please. We are recording this at midnight. We record in after midnight, the day that we have been to the movie theater. We just watched the movie that we're going to be discussing here shortly, and it is midnight as we record this right now. Well, I am in good spirits. I should have checked your coffee when you showed made sure it wasn't a little irish. But so tonight we have a film, and like we mentioned, it is a slasher, but but more Canadians, so it's more like canty, Hey can't can't poo teine poutine. But it's My Bloody Valentine, Yes, sir, and uh, this is a film that I will be honest, I've had to warm up to. Okay.

13:52 It was not a top of the level favorite when I first saw it as a teenager. It was kind of like, you know, it's weird. It's fun see how you remember things that you'd paired together. I think the first time I saw My Bloody Valentine that same night I watched the initiation that movie in the in the mall, and I just remembered when I was done watching Initiation, I was like, why didn'ybody talk about this movie? This is so much better? And then and then you know, we watched Initiation about what was it like six years ago when I got that blue ray and we're like, it's it's okay, it's fine. But but so I will say that as I've revisited My Bloody Valentine almost exclusively because you want to revisit it, yeah, which is nothing wrong with that around generally around Valentine's Day when you're when you're single, Yes, which I'm not right now, but okay, well, you know, if you want to cover all bases, just say, hey, honey, that way no matter what, you're good. But do You Even movie will be right back, welcome back to Do You Even movie? My Bloody Valentine's definitely grown on me, and this last viewing that we just did kind of made me appreciate it even more.

15:07 Yeah, I think that it's a movie that's definitely not from a cynical place, which is interesting because it's straight up a Friday the thirteenth rip afs. I mean, well, I mean even Paramount wanted another Friday the thirteenth and that's why they bought it and maybe financed it. But we're gonna find out more about that as Dave brings us the important beats for My Bloody Valentine. We are talking about My Bloody Valentine from nineteen eighty one one hour and thirty minutes or one hour in thirty three minutes, depending on which cut you watch, which we'll get to. This film is rated R and the director of this film is George Milhawka. Now, he was a director of Pickup Summer in nineteen eighty. He goes to do My Bloody Valentine in eighty one, so this is his second feature. Oh it was only a second Yeah, so well that makes sense though, because there's a lot in it that I felt like was what's the word like? It was very what's the word like?

16:02 It's spunky, It was very like he was going for broke. Yeah. No, yes, it sounds like his first one. Pick Up Summer sounds like it was like a sex comedy. Well, and that's which were very popular in that era. Interesting because in nineteen eighty two he does Scandal, which is a rated X film from what I can find about it. Well, so when we say rated X. Yeah, are you saying like a full blown adult movie? Are you saying like it was a It used to mean a lot. Yeah, it looked. It looked to be like a sex comedy. But there was definitely there. There may have been adultness to it. So that's I couldn't find much information on it. But then in eighty five he goes to do a movie called Eternal Eternal Evil. In nineteen eighty eight he does a little film called Hostile Takeover. Wait, you mean Office Party or the Devastator Devastator And that was a that was on Thanksgiving.

16:47 That was Thanksgiving movie. We watched that one year on our on our annual Thanksgiving movie marathon. Yeah, and fun film. David Warner plays a guy that comes into his office and basically takes everybody hostage. Yes, you really know, I'll ever find out the reason now to think about it, Oh, he just snapped. He's just a crazy, lonely person. But that's that is quite a deep cut, lost flick. But what was the third title? Hostile Takeover, Devastator Devastator, that's what it was, because Office Party was the other party? Yeah, yeah, yeah, devastator makes no sense, No, I I think that was like a nineties retitle for VHS. It had to have been because office party makes the most sense. Yeah, because there are people taking hostage in an office. Yeah, but that is crazy. That was the my bloody Valentine director. What else has he done? So? In eighty ninety does an episode of The Hitchhiker.

17:33 He does Crossbow the movie in eighty nine as well, Straight Line, the Mister t film from nineteen ninety. No he didn't, Yes he did, No, he did, Yes, he did. Okay. Then he goes to do The Psychic in nineteen ninety one, Urban Angel nineteen ninety one, Deceptions two, Edge of Deception in ninety four, Bullet to Beijing in ninety five with Michael Caine, the Hunger TV series in ninety eight, Cruel and Unusual two thousand and one, Race to Mars TV series in two thousand and seven, six and Stone the Firm TV series, in the Transporter It's TV series in twenty thirteen, and also Lost Girl in twenty eleven as well. So he kind of got his taste in film and then moved over to TV. Two holds. That makes sense though, if you're a working director in Canada, because a lot of the TV series moved there, especially in early two thousands. Yeah, after the X Files kind of established production in Vancouver, which there was already production in Toronto and all that. So that makes sense. So interesting that he went into television, Yeah, and I mean in a very interesting resume too. So moving down our list, we have the one of the writers which is Stephen A. Miller. He did writing for in the beginning in nineteen seventy eight was his first one. He goes to write for The Jeffersons in nineteen eighty, Flow in nineteen eighty as well, writes on My Bloody Valwnsine in eighty one, Archie Bunker's Place in eighty one as well, goes to work on air Wolf in eighty five, Magnum p I in eighty seven, Chameleons in eighty nine, Evening Shade in nineteen ninety, Kung Fu the legend continues in ninety five, Flipper TV series in nineteenninety six, Nightman in nineteen ninety seven, No Yes, Wow, Diagnosis Murder two thousand and then also is credited on the two thousand and nine remake

19:04 of My Believeuntains. I would assume that's for characters. Yeah, the characters is correct. So he was the sole writer or was it was? He wrote on several episodes for no, No, I'm sorry, sol writer of yeah. See, for once, Dave lost the point of what the show's about, because the story development credit goes to John Beard. He did it for you know, my advounced on nine and eighty one. Then he is uncredited on Happy Birthday to me. Oh, maybe he was a parahaunt guy. It could have been, because then in nineteen eighty two he does a little film called Baker County, USA aka Trapped with Henry Silva, the movie that Andy Copp showed at Shadow Cinema at one time, where he locks that guy in his cellar. Oh man, yeah, I like that flick.

19:45 Yeah. And then also he's credited on My Blood Bounce Sid remake in two thousand and nine as well. So you have two writers on this one. Steven A. Miller is your main writer, and then you get created Veltman for John Beard finishing us off is our cinematographer. And unfortunately in this week there's only a couple titles I'm excited to tell you about. But he's still got a pretty decent resume. Okay, so his name is Brodney Gibbons. He's the DP on Pickup Summer in nineteen eighty so he does Milhawk's first film, goes with him on the second film of My Blood Valentine. In eighty one eighty eight, he does something about love. In nineteen eighty nine, he does blind Side. The Yes, that one, that one, the one with Harvey Kaitel. Yes, that was a random Netflix streaming find I had, which it hasn't been on there for ten years. Yeah, but I watched that randomly that I know the ending blind Side of it. Yeah, that movie. I don't want to spoil it as if anyone's gonna be able to watch it find it. Yeah, but blind Side it has a big, like dark twist right at the end and the title just get by Side. So then in nineteen ninety he does a little film called The Amityville Curse. The Amityville Curse the one non official Amityville movie of the era when there were official ami because the Amityville Horror, for those who don't know, had several official sequels. I guess it was six total movies because because you don't count Amityville Curse and at the time, no one really understood what we

21:18 know now, which is why there are so many Amityville movies, which is that you cannot copyright or trademark a town on a map. Basically that's that's basically the way it's described as like, if it's on a map, you can't just you can't own it. So friggin' yeah, oh keeps going, so Backstab in nineteen ninety. He goes then to shoot Scanners, to the New Order in ninety one, What Twin Sisters in ninety two, Dead Bolt ninety two, and then a little film called The paper Boy in nineteen ninety four, My favorite paper Boy, Psycho paper Boy. Yes, well that makes sense because that was produced by Pierre David, who started his big film career really with Scanners, so it makes sense that he would hire him a couple of different times. And Pierre David, in case you didn't guess by his freaking name French Canadian and he's that's you just got me on a dangerous tyrant. Pierre David is one of those guys that no one ever talks about, and he was when I bought the Blu ray set of Scanner Coop and Scanner Cop two. He directed Scanner Cop. It's the only film he's officially directed directed. And his interview was fascinating because it was short and he's never been interviewed that I've ever been able to find. Yeah, but all he has to say about Scanner Cop is he's like, I did a serviceable job, Like I did not do a bad job. That's his entire opinion of it. But Pierre David over a hundred credits as a producer. He was, in many ways the Roger Korman of Canada. He's still producing made for TV movies to this day. But no one ever talks about Pierre David.

22:52 Nobody's ever talking about how he made all of these crazy, crazy thrillers in the nineties, just NonStop erotic thrillers, horror movies, sex movies, well sexy movies. Yeah. But and The paper Boy is a good example. Paper Boy is of the killer kid variety, which in the nineties there was just this huge influx of them. Yeah, with Mikey with The paper Boy and a few others that I'm forgetting the titles of. Can you say playing dangerous? Kind of? Yeah, I mean it was kind of I mean, the kid is killing. Yeah, basically playing dangerous. That's another movie I love, but that's basically Home Alone. If the kid was in the Sociopath, Yeah, which with playing Dangerous, it's like it's like, huh if the Home Alone kid cried every time he hurt somebody horribly Jesus oh, because he's like literally killing terrorists but he's twelve. Yeah, it's an insane film. But no, so that doesn't shock me. That he worked with Pierre David, so that's super cool. So then finishing him off nineteen ninety five, he is Screamers in ninety six, he has Natural Enemy ninety seven, Dead Innocent, and then he also goes to work on the LASTI series in ninety seven as well. Okay, so he had a pretty pretty decent resume. I was having fun looking through it, but I was completely blown away when I saw a blind side on there. Definitely a Canadian workhourse.

24:07 It's also not the first time blindside'll be brought up here in a little bit. Oh yeah, snap, well I'm blind sided. Just hold onto your hat there, caw poke. So we are going to, like I said, be talking about my blood. Valentine nineteen eety one, Screen Factory Blu Ray synopsis says, on Valentine's Day, someone always loses their heart. Twenty years ago, this small town lost more than that. When supervisors abandoned their post to attend the town's annual holiday dance, A tragedy claimed the lives of five miners. The sole survivor, Harry Warden, was institutionalized, but returned for a vengeful massacre On the disaster's anniversary. Nineteen years later, the town is gearing up for another Valentine's Day party and teen sweethearts TJ Sarah, along with their friend Axel, are among the partygoers. But when a box of candy containing an eerie warning and blood soaked hard arrive, the townsfolk realized that romance is as good as dead, and so are they. Ooh, I like that they led with a like with a creepy poem. Yeah, but not the bloody heart human heart ripped from a chest. Yes, that's an interesting and very length lengthy so I want to give your synopsis. Go for it. The citizens of Valentine Bluffs are faced with a series of murders when a dranged killer returns twenty years after his original massacre. As they all try to stay alive on Valentine's Day. I mean that is meat potatoes right there.

25:19 Boom, that was good. That was that where shit though? That was much like Pierre David's own opinion of his directing of Scanner Cup, which, by the way, I think Scanner CoP's a great film. Here comes great. But that'll do Pedal do that'll it'll do. So we will say when it comes to my belly, Valentine. This one is not streaming anywhere right now. You will have to rent it on either one of the many services available of course. Yeah, it's just not super readily available. But shell Factory should happenredib Yeah. So the cast of the film we are going to be talking about, we have Lori Holler place Sarah in this. She was in Bizarre, the Bill or Bob Einstein Canadian TV series. That's where she started at Bizarre. I never saw that, Yeah, nineteen seventy nine.

26:06 It was a TV series the Bob Einstein did, so she was on that. I belie Valentine in nineteen eighty one, goes to do, Trapper John MD in nineteen eighty three, Trapper John Dukes of Hazzard in eighty four, Warnings signed nineteen eighty five, Alfred Hitchcock Presents in nineteen eighty seven, blind Side nineteen eighty seven. Oh man, you weren't kidding this. Yeah, this is the most I've talked about Blindside in a long time. Higher Education nineteen eighty eight, The Twilight Zone, eighty eight Days of Our Lives, eighty nine, fri Thirteenth Series, and eighty eight. Forever Night in nineteen ninety two, Matt Locke in ninety three, RoboCop in nineteen eighty four, the Canadian series Well, yeah, it makes sense. Night of the Twisters in nineteen ninety six. Which have you ever seen Night of the Twisters? I don't believe. So it used to play ABC Family all the time, and it made for TV movie like when this town gets completely just rocked by these tornadoes, like I think like an amount of like six or seven of them in one night. Wow, it's a fun movie, but it's also pretty scary. It sounds scary. Yeah, Well we're in Ohio and we get tornado, so it sounds pretty scary. Kung Fu The Legend continues in ninety three Star Trek Voyager. In ninety seven, she played doctor Riley Fraser. I wish I was that encyclopedic a voyager. I do love Voyager.

27:11 It was only one episode, so I figured I would just take a guess on there for that one. I mean yeah, it was a guest role. Yeah, Porter, Guys, The Legacy in ninety seven, The Hitchhiker in ninety seven, Guys Legacy. That means it brings up our good buddy, James Cappy. Yes, so Total Recall twenty seventy, In nineteen ninety nine, Thomas and the Magic Railroad two thousand, Monty Walsh two thousand and three, Ghost Cat in two thousand and four, Heart Stopper, Yes, the Robert England film Heart Stopper in two thousand, art six, Stopper, Flashpoint in two thousand and nine, Christmas Inheritance in twenty seventeen, Christmas in Love in twenty eighteen, and Missus America in twenty twenty. So she's actually even still acting today. She's got a couple things coming out soon. I am positive it's probably the case. But I sure hope Miss America was Missus America. I sure hope that was a Canadian production. I'm sure I'd guarantee it was. So the other a person We're gonna talk about is Neil Affleck. He plays Axle in the film. He started on O Heavenly Dog, which Heavy Chase in nineteen eighty, We Like Most of Us, Yes, Final Assignment in nineteen eighty, Dirty Tricks nineteen eighty, Scanners eighty one, My Bloody Valentine eighty one, Visiting Hours in nineteen eighty two, Murder by Phone in nineteen eighty two, Cross Country in nineteen eighty three, Web of Lies in twenty sixteen, fear Thy Neighbor in twenty seventeen. But where his career gets interesting is in nineteen ninety one, he's an animation timer on The Simpsons, Rocko's Modern Life, Oh the Critic, Twisted Tails of Felix the Cat. He becomes the animation director on King of the Hill in ninety seven, Rugrats, as well sheet timer on Magic School Bus Rides Again in twenty seventeen, storyboard artist, and he also directed episodes of Family Guy, The Simpsons, Brace Face, and Miss Spider's Sunny Patch Friends. Wow,

28:42 I don't. I mean, I never thought we would have somebody from Miss Spider's Sunny Patch Friends. Yes, Sunny Patch Friends. No, that's wow. So yeah, that's a big career shift. Yeah. And tying that into it is Keith Knight, who plays Hollis in the film. He was in mes Ed Kemper said, yes, Ed Kemper, which has hit that actor in that role, he looks like serial killer Ed Kemper. I'm sorry, I don't make the rules. So Keith and I played in Meatballs in nineteen seventy nine, Hogwild in nineteen eighty, My Blood, Valentine eighty one, Gas eighty one, Class of nineteen eighty four and eighty two. I bet I remember him well. He also is in Siege in nineteen eighty nineteen eighty three, he was one of the bad guys. He's a blind kid.

29:26 Oh, he's the No, he's not, Yes, that's him. No, Yeah, and then he's the bully in nineteen eighty four. Yeah, he's definitely the bully. It's the same man, Yeah, putting faith in lair on him. You can't even recognize him almost now. This man is a stalwart yeap of what's called canuck'xploitation, which is exploitation films made in Canada, especially from the eighties and nineties. And yes, Kanuck is not a very nice thing to say, But that is the type of film it is. But I'm having him be in Siege and Class of nineteen eighty four. I mean those are two like just Chef's Kiss. Yeah, can exploitation movies. Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to do You Even movie? So then eighty three he does of unknown origin.

30:29 He goes to American Playhouse. In nineteen eighty seven, he becomes a voice on the care Bears in eighty eight, does the care Bears Adventure in Wonderland eighty seven, does the Twilight Zone reboot in eighty nine, Wore the World's eighty eight, Babar the Elephant at eighty nine, b Bar Beatlejuice cartoon in nineteen ninety, Rupert nineteen ninety one, The Adventures of ten ten in ninety one, Robocops series in ninety four, Tales from the Cripkeeper ninety four, Freaky Stories ninety eight, Mystery Files of Shelby Wu in nineteen ninety eight. I watched the Hell out of Mystery Finals Franklin in two That in Queer's Folk in two thousand and two, Rescue Heroes and Oe to Cyberchase two thousand and four and Miss Spider's Sunny Patch Friends in two thousand and five. He unfortunately left us in O five as well. I'm sorry to hear that, but I mean a hell of a body of work. Well, the moment that I realized because I remembered the guy from class of nineteen eighty four, but when I saw Siege on there, I was like, holy shit, I would have never remembered he was the blind kid in Siege. So you talked about your first time seeing this my first time seeing the film. I saw a bunch of pieces of this movie on the Going to Pieces documentary that stars did that was all about the Rise, and there were pieces in Going to Pieces, Yes there was. And my uncle, who I've talked about on the show, was a big influence on me for my horror and I lived with him for the last year before when I left college. He had talked about my bloody Valentine as just like when I was giving into Slashers.

31:45 And then one year, in one of his care packages, he sends me a copy of the old Paramount DVD. Sounds more like a scare package to me. Thank you, yeah, huh, thank you. Yes. So I watched it and I really really liked it. It didn't hit me as much as I love it now today. And then when the uncut footage got released, so basically to give you the synopsis of what happened to this movie. Unfortunately, right around the time it was gonna get released, John Lennon got killed. And when Lennon got killed, anything bad happened. When Lennon got killed, there was a lot of censorship on violence and films. Huh, oh, well, because didn't they think the guy was inspired something They always think that, Yeah, I love that joke about like man, you know, Hitler played some really violent video games, like yeah, it's our media making us crazy. It's not our craziness making the media crazy. No, so the MPAA issued several cuts on it. Of course, in the NPA never tells you what to cut, so six to seven minutes of gore and violence they heavily suggest, heavily suggest. Well, and it doesn't help that this was the beginning of the rise of the slasher movie. They had just dealt with Friday the Thirteenth, Yeah, which they cut pretty harshly as well, and then the deluge of Friday the Thirteenth sequels. So this was the beginning of a pretty heavy handed time period. Now, technically, what the MPAA did was not censorship. What it was was the rating system, and it's important to keep in mind if you want to make a movie that's going to be in theaters, especially back then, more so back then,

33:19 if you don't get an R rating, then you get what use They used to call it an X even though it wasn't an official rating. It was just what you gave yourself. X ratings were not just for adult movies. Things like Dawn of the Dead was released with an X rating. Day of the Dead was released with an X rating. So but if you have an X or not an R, well NC seventeen didn't come along for a little while. But if you don't have that R rating, then you can't be printed in newspapers and you can't advertise on television. And that was not a legal thing that was, but that was an agreement that organizations had made with the MPAA. Now I hate the MPAA. I'm glad that they're becoming the way of the DODO. But it's not technically censorship, but it is true.

34:04 If you don't make that our rating, then you're crippling the film that's why you have so many movies. I'm sure that many people watching this so so many movies they love where their home video version is uncut or what have you. It's because if you have an NC seventeen rating. Now NC seventeen literally means no one under seventeen is allowed, even with para gard even with a parent or guardian, as we're our rating, you could bring younger people if you were a parent. Like that's how I saw Freddy Versus Jason in the theater. Was my mama took me and three teenagers we didn't know who were left out. Yeah, we literally ranted these three kids that were about my age when I was there to see Freddy Versus Jason, and they all had tickets because their parents had bought them tickets. And then we're like, go see your movie. And then they wouldn't let them in the door with tickets. Well, my mom's plan was the same. She was gonna buy me tickets at the door and then let us through. But they were like, no, you gotta go with them. So my mom bought herself a ticket and then look at those kids and were like, come on here with me. I just brought it geez, it's like four teenagers that we didn't know. So we were heroes that day. I bet you were. Not.

35:07 All heroes were cap Dave, but no, So that's important to keep in mind. So the R rating, if you didn't get an R, it was basically the death kiss for any hope of a big theatrical release, and that was the Swan Song with My Bloody Valentine because all the violence was basically just cut out. Yeah, it was pretty happy, I mean it was. There's very little because that's the first version of the film I ever saw, and that's why in two thousand and nine, when Lionsgate What got a hold of the footage that Mohawka had found that he thought was lost, they reinstated a lot of the gore back in the movie. Not all of it now. There's still some shots missing, which we'll get into as we go into the episode. But this movie, for the best version to find is the unrated because that has most of the violence intact. The theatrical is not bad. It's it's perfectly watchable. You'll get all the gist of it, but you're gonna be missing a lot of juicy details, which we will cover. So don't worry. I was really impressed with the quality they were able to get a real because we've watched So that's what I mean is with this, this most recent release, because a lot of the films that end up getting that treatment where it's like we were able to composite something together.

36:09 Oftentimes the sources like vhs, like, yeah, the biggest example, I could think of A Silent Night Every night. The gore stuff that was cut for an R rating is just lost. It's lost. But there's some vhs because way back in the day, you would take what was called your work print, and often it would be dubbed to tape, and work prints didn't have a sound mix. It had sound, but no mix. It didn't have music, it didn't have anything like that. It was just a print for the director to look at, for the producers to look at to make a judgment about before they cut the negative, because cutting a film negative is a pretty permanent decision, so you want to make that decision when you're sure. And that's why a lot of the stuff was lost because a lot of these distributors were like, we're in a hurry, we just want to cash it, and they would just cut the negative, well, and just remove stuff. It goes without saying too that Back in that day too, the whole rumor was always that once that stuff was cut, it was usually destroyed because there was no reason to keep it, because and destroyed is a hefty word for put in a waste basket. Put it in a waste basket, put in a vault, lost in a vault, maybe in a vault.

37:09 Yeah yeah, but I mean the old saying is true. It would be on the cutting rud floor, yeah, and eventually somebody sweeps it. Yeah. So, And I mean one of the best examples that we can give is that Friday thirteenth box set a couple of years ago that finally had what was thought to be the lost footage of all the kills in part two. Well in part two yeah, oh yeah, yeah, it was in and they found a ton of the kills from part seven Part seven, Yeah, which was a big one because John Carl Bickler, who directed it, was an effects artist. Yeah, so he had every reason to save the kills at least on a VHS tap, and he did, luckily for us. So moving into the movie, are you ready to get this started? Maybe? I don't know, it's not even late yet, it's not even one.

37:51 So we are talking again about my belie Valentine nineteen eighty one, and we opened with probably one of the best cold opens in horror. I'm gonna say. We opened with a shot of a mine and there's nobody in it until we start seeing two figures in mining outfits come forward and they are going off into one sector of the mine, and we start to see the girl because she starts stripping. We don't know that there's a woman yet, but all of a sudden, she starts stripping, and now we're getting treated to one of the biggest slasher cliches. Yep. Two people have snuck off away to go make out in generally somewhere dangerous and filthyp is almost always the role, yep, and this is no exception. In a mind. Yes, so she starts stripping and she goes to you, take off the other miner's helmet. He says no, and so she just starts, you know, going further with it, and then he sees that she has a heart tattoo right above her breast. Well, and this is some really smart filmmaking.

38:43 Yeah, so there's this very bright heartship art tattoo on her breast yep. And as the scene's progressing, your eyes keep being drawn to it. The camera keeps drawing you to it. And then as things escalate, Yes, he shoves her back and a like some kind of a thing, so he takes his pick axe. Yeah, that's what it was. You put the pickaxe against the wall. He shoves it and it sticks right through the heart through too, Yes, and it comes into the camera. It really grabs your attention and make sure your eyes are exactly where the gross out is going to be. Very good, very good directing. I love that in trop I don't know so good. I don't know about the best horror history. I mean it's no sleep away camp too. I mean, not everything can be well in my America when we used to have a country, you could buy rifles and lobsters at Walmart when we were a country. But going back again to the censorship, if you are watching the theatrical cut, you're not going to see the pick come through. All you're going to see is her screaming and the camera goes into her mouth, and that's what we get the title my pull Really. Yeah, that's that's a shame because that like ruins it. Yeah, I mean, because that effect was so intentional. Yeah, the theatrical he literally just takes her, shoves her, and then she screams and then my blue Valentine. You don't see any of the impact or anything that was discussed. That's that's too bad. Yeah. So that the opening of the film, and we now are in the Hanniger minds as we meet the crew. We have TJ, Axel, Howard Hollis, Michael Dave, and a couple others, and we are treated to a nice shower scene right off the bat. Yeah, but not the way you would expect.

40:14 No, it was this is basically the antithesis of the opening of Slumber Party massacreally, So the guys are showering, and that's like I said. We meet TJ and Axel and we find out that TJ has just returned back to the town. He had vanished at one point and went to California to try and make it big. Kind of fell in his face. So we came back and TJ when he left was dating Sarah, who is now with Axel, and TJ and Axel are long long buddies, like they've been friends for a long time, but now a love triangle, a love triangle is brewing. So they all are showering and they decide that they're going to have a race to the Cage, which is the local bar. They said last one they are buys the Bruce. So then we see them all leaving and running out of their cars, driving down the road and they're going past the Valentine Bluff sign and they get into the town and they go into the Union Hall and we meet and Howard blows an air horn alerting the girls, which makes them jump because the girls are decorating for the Valentine's Day dance and which sounds wonderful. Yes, now, real quick, do they express where this takes place other than Valentine's Blood, Like does it? Are they trying to pretend it's America or don't really ever see? I mean, I you know, we will just go ahead and say it's Nova Scotia is where this was, is where we're supposed to be. So but yeah, I think what we're supposed to be where we're literally are apologies, But I yeah, I don't know, I don't know if it was meant to be in Canada, it was meant to be in America. I think it was meant to be in America. I think it was. But yeah, I mean, if if it is, they don't really push much on it because there's a lot of Canada in this movie. I mean, is there literally like a bear with a like a hat on or I don't know why that would be Canada.

41:39 That has nothing to do with Canada. So TJ notices excellent Sarah, and he's kind of standing off to the side, and that is when we meet the mayor of the town, along with Mabel, who is one of the women in the town that owns the laundromat and she's also one of the women behind the Valentine's Day dance returning and the mayor is you know, he's like, oh, well, you know, you've done great on the decorating. It's everything's great, but you know, we may just want to tone down on this being the first Valentine's Day in twenty years, so like, let's not broadcast that too loud. Gee, why on earth would they not have celebrated Valentine's Day for twenty years? I don't know. But as Mabel and the mayor arrive to Union Hall, Howard, who is being a goof, has had red paint spilled on him, so he pops out scares Mabel and she has these Valentine's hearts in these baskets and they all fall to the ground and I love it because he falls into the Mayor's arms because he's acting dead.

42:24 He goes, hey guy, yeah, no, it's really charming. I really love that that gag at the beginning. So Mabel goes into the Union Hall and the mayor goes into it too, and we also meet Chief Nuby and everybody is looking at the decorations. They're saying, they're commenting on how good it is, and nube is told by the Mayor that they need to get going because they have a meeting to go to, and as they leave, Howard grabs the mayor and tells him or yeah, grabs the mayor and tells him that they have a heart box that was at the hall for him, a heart shaped, heart shaped box full of candy. So he gives him the gives them the box. He's like, you know, Mabel, were you in on this, and he's like, don't look at me. So then they go ahead and leave, and that's when the crew goes to the cage and we meet the rest of the gang as Happy, the bar owner of the cage, who is anything but Yeah, that's some solid irony. Like that's like in one of my few slasher films when I named a character Lucky. Yes. Yeah, if you've seen Baby Center massacre, you know, and if you haven't, well there's your homework. So the reason that Happy is not the most liveliest of the bar in a bit of a grump, is because he is just kind of obsessed with the legend of Harry Warden. And the legend of Harry Warden is twenty years ago, they were doing a Valentine's Day dance. On Valentine's Day. There were some men in the mines and the supervisors wanted to get to the dance early, so they decided to leave early without checking the methane levels of the tunnel. Something happens and explosion occurs, and now we have six miners trapped. Those are some serious farts those workers were cutting. So six miners are trapped in the mind now and they work all around the clock for two weeks to get them

43:58 out. When they finally get to they find one man is still alive. Harry Warden. But Harry Warden at this point has gone crazy and he's cannibalized the rest of his compadres in the mine. Well, in his defense, he may have went crazy after cannibalizing them. He may not have went crazy before. I mean, yeah, we don't know. We just covered ravenous. I was gonna say, I will I will mention right now at the end of the episode, I will be talking about this book right here, which is the novelization of My Bloody Valentine by Armando Minas. I finished it, and there is more to happy story in it that I'll talk about Towards the end. They do go into detail in regards of Harry's madness a little bit more. Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, So he killed them, ate them, and now he's been found and Happy was the one to find him. Oh and that's Happy's last day at the mine. It would be mine too relatable context. Yeah, So Harry Warden gets institutionalized, but one year later he breaks out and he goes and kills the two supervisors that left him. I thought you were saying it was institutionalized and he broke out and he just wanted to s so he breaks out, goes and kills the two supervisors that were responsible for the cave in, cuts out their hearts, puts them in candy boxes, and leaves them at the Valentine's Day dance that night, which is festive, with a warning that if they ever hold another Valentine's Day dance, he will return and kill them. Pretty cut, dry, I mean it sounds like it. Yeah, so maybe more cut and very moist, actually cutting, very moist. Well, I saw those hearts in the boxes. It was cutting wet. Kids. Do you Even?

45:30 Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to do You Even? Movie? And as happy as telling the story, don't worry, we get treated to flashback footage of all of this. Yes, and the flashback foota is this something I wanted to mention every time I watch My Bloody Valentine. The first thought that goes through my head is it feels like a sequel to a movie that does and exists. Yeah, because the flashback footage is, I don't know, there's just something about it that really feels like it's recapping a former film and absolutely when in reality it's not. It's just the movie. Yeah, but but it really did feel like, you know, like like, I'm like, wait, did I not watch the one where this happened? Yeah? What the which? And my Bloody Valentine prequel would be pretty cool? Hell yeah it would. I still gotta watch that fan film sequel that came out a couple of years ago, because I've heard it's pretty good. I have not had a chance on Bluffs. It's on YouTube.

46:24 I need to check it out. But no, going back to the flashback though. Yeah, So when Harry is found, he is completely you know, head to toe dirty, and it looks completely deranged, and he's just munching on an arm and he screams and then she just goes back to biting the arm. Well what do you do? I mean, I've literally had the exact same thing happen when you're eating taco bell It is fair. I'm like, David, You're like, ah, then you go right back to that beef five layer of burrito that I do. That I do. So Howard interrupts halfs story and makes a raspberry blowing sound, which pisses Hap off, and he's like, you know, don't make don't make fun of it. You don't know, and Harry will come for you. Meanwhile, this is happening though. Also the guys are playing five finger uh five finger fil a, Yeah, that's the term of five finger fil a, which if you for those who are smart, you don't know what this is, but it's where you put your fingers wide open on a table and you try to move a knife blade between your fingers as fast as possible, tapping the table and loser is the first one to fucking stab them and stab himself. But that's exactly what Axel does. It's him and Hollis playing and Axel missus stabs himself. He flips Hollis off, and everybody's just having a good time.

47:30 That's when Sarah decides to go over the jukebox where TJ is playing a game, and she goes, you know you, I don't know exactly, she basically tells him that, like, you know, it's his fault that he left. He's the one that did this, and he's like, you know, I didn't say it wasn't and he gets pissed and goes off, And that is kind of the overall mood between those two is that Sarah and TJ still are not talking like Sarah's with Axel, and that's kind of yeah, there's grapes. Yeah, massive sour grapes. So TJ leaves and we cut over to the medical examiners off this. Oh wait, excuse me, I must go back a bit because we forgot that in the car with the mayor and the sheriff. He opens the candy box and finds a human heart in it. Oh that's just minor detail. Oh, you know, just with a note that says, with the fear of the warning comes to bloody good cheer. Remember what happens is the fourteenth draws near. He takes it off, and we find the heart, which we find out to be the woman's heart from the beginning. So yes, he has stuffed another heart in a candy box, and we are off to the races once again. Oh yeah, So they're at the medical examiner's office and he confirms it's the human heart of a thirty year old female and he says, you know, what the hell is going on? This looks like it was ripped out by a butcher.

48:34 Meanwhile, the chief is calling over to the institution and he tells the mayor that there's no one there right now that can answer them until morning. If Harry is still at the institution or not. I was waiting for the medical examiner to go, well, this is clearly from an owner of a lonely hut. So he says, I think you guys have your answer. Harry Warden's back in Valentine's Bluff And next we see Harry just sneaking around Madam Mabel's laundrette and she is inside washing the hearts again, and he goes up to the window watches her. She goes into the back and he puts a candy heart box on her table leaves. She comes back, opens it up, and she gets a note that says roses are red, violets are blue. One is dead, and so are you, which I mean decent rhyme.

49:17 Decent rhyme, And like I said to you while were watching this, I really hope there's one of the deleted scenes is Harry going to the store and buying these just in an outfit and he grabs like he grabs three, and then he's about to walk away, and he looks back and his little flashlight shines on the little sign that says buy four, get one free, and he grabs two more. So he leaves the candy box. The Babel goes out, finds it reads that note, and then all of a sudden, the lights in the laundromat go down and the miner comes out from the back, scares Mabel corner, Sir. And one thing that's really cool about Harry warden'sttire that we were talking about in the movie too, is the mining helmet the light. Yeah, and it's important to mention because I feel like we haven't painted a picture of what he looks like yet. Yeah, so it's important to mention he has a minor helmet glass. I mean, you can't see his face at all. You see no skin. He's got gloves everything like that, and he has a one of those breathing apparatuses they they wear when they go really deep in the minds. Uh so. But yeah, the flashlight is my favorite because as he's stalking people, as he's attacking people, you can tell exactly where he's looking. It's always the face of people screaming. Yes. It is some good stuff and it allows for some great fake outs later. Okay, one of my favorite moments when you see the light and the girl screams and then it's revealed it's the cop that gosh, yeah, it's good stuff. It's so good. So the gang then decides to so Mabel ends up getting murdered. The gang decides that they are done for the night, but they're gonna go to the junkyard, and that's when we reveal that Hollis has his car ended up and he's cooking two TV dinners as they're out in the junkyard just hanging out, drinking, eating you

50:50 know, the food, and just doing HAPPI. You know, boys who see the scene will go hell yeah, hell yeah. So then we get a fake out, as Enrique was saying, because we see somebody's just sneaking around the car and we hear harmonica playing, and we find out that Axel is in this this junked out car playing harmonica, and TJ comes up to him with a peace offering with a bottle and sits next to him and starts playing harmonica as well. They have a little jam session for a little bit and then they start talking out that they've got a problem and they've got to work it out, and Axel basically tells him, you know, fuck off, man, like she's mine, like you left Sarah is mine aped on her first bro I I gotta say One of the best parts of the Killer in this movie is that mine workers all wear the same clothes. Yeah.

51:31 So there are tons of fake outs where you see like feet walking with a pick axe, and then it's just another guy who works just mon. It's not the It's so it's so smart in that way, especially as we're about to find out they had these Canadian teenagers are much more desperate to die than their American slasher movie counterparts out because we'll get to it. We're almost there. So the next morning, the chief calls back to the institution. He speaks to missus Rawleig, who informs him they have no record of Harry Warden, which means he's either escaped, died, or the escaped. He's either been no, he never saysast is it released, transferred or on the slack take one of three, take your pick, and that pisses Nubie off, and he says one out of three. You're gonna have to check better than that, and she's like, I've checked everything, well except the micro film, but that'll take several days and I'll have to get to it at some point. So he tells her, you know this is important, please get to it. As soon as you can hangs up with them. We next see Patty and Sarah walking over to one of the stores in town, and they're talking about how they're gonna have so much fun for the Valentine's Day dance.

52:32 Except Newby then arrives at the laundromat and he goes to find Mabel, but he sees nothing inside it. First, Oh god, this is such a nasty reveal. So he notices that the paper hearts in her laundromat, some of them are turned upside down, so he starts taking them off and up setting the up right. Which I love this because you know she's she's in one of the dryers we find out here and see you hear all you hear is the loud sound of a dryer, right Yeah. And he's also like smelling his pipe because you can tell there's an odor. There's something off in there. Yeah. He walks past the dryer that's completely covered in blood. Well, he's we never said he was a good police, that's fair. So he goes and picks up one of the hearts. He opens one of the dryers that's just closed, and then the dryer next to him opens up as Mabel's charred corpse comes out. But that's not the worst part.

53:16 The dryer kicks up, it's spinning. It's corpse is all mangled and burnt, and it's turning, yeah, and turning and turning. Another thing that's added back in because the original theatrical you just see your pop out and it's really quick and that's it. Well, it makes sense because it's gnarl. It's gruesome. No, it's probably one of the most gruesome points of the movie is just watching that body twirl because it almost breaks at one point. That and the eyeball, Yeah, we'll get to a little bit for that. Those were the big ones for me. Yeah, So Mabel is now is now found dead. Down in the mind, TJ and Axel almost get into a fight because it's the next day. They're at work and they're all a little hungover as well because of the night before, and Axel is dictating to TJ that he wants him to go down in one sector of the mine, and TJS says, you know, he's been on my ass all day, and he's like, move it now, Hannager. He puts his pick action on the ground. They go at it until the manager Mac tells them there's not gonna be any fighting. They fight, they don't start making love.

54:07 They briefly fight. Yeah, it's a they go at it. I'm like, let's not get our audience too excited now, so he tells He tells Axel there's not gonna be any fighting in his mind. Back at the laundromat, Nubie instructs the medics that have now gotten there and are taking care of Mabel that he wants them to pull around back and load her in so nobody sees and as far as anybody's concerned, Mabel died of a heart attack. You know, that's one of the things you can always count on when it comes to cops in a slasher movie. Yeah, they'll cover up any, cover up anything. Although they actually jumped to action pretty quickly. They take this point. Well, like we said, he's he's definitely not the mayor from Jaws in this No, he is the antithesis of the mayor from Jaws. The second body shows up and they're like, uh, we're canceling everything. So he tells them to pull around back and load her in there.

54:54 And as they're getting ready to take her out, he notices that there's something in her chest cavity and pulls out a paper heart that says it happened once, it happened twice. If you don't cancel the dance, it'll happen thrice. Which uh again, fine, a fine rhyme, rhyme. He's no run DMC. But now I'm just picturing it with the desk like, oh doesn't now. I just imagine. I just imagine he's like he's just sitting there with like in the full regalia. I felt like he's tapping the pencil on the helmet and then and then he's like flipping through the pages. He's just like flipping through the pages of a rhyming dictionary. See if Harry would have put it, if Harry would have put his efforts into poetry, he would have been fine. I think he had he had some skills to home. I really do so pull the So they canceled the dance. They said, that's it. We're gonna tear down all the decorations. Nothing's gonna happen, and also lock up the damn Union Hall because we don't want the kids going in there and having their dance. So Nubie is next scene locking up Union Hall and delivering the news to the kids. I say kids, which I mean they pretty much are right. Uh well, you know, I was gonna say they have to be like twenty one, but they actually didn't. In most states have to be one to drink at that point.

56:00 So they're all adults. Yeah, they're all like they're all out of high school. Yeah, so newbies delivering the news to it that there's not gonna be a dance and no parties either, because you know, Mabel deserves that much respect. And of course the kids are like, well, Mabel was really excited about the dance. She would want us to do this, and he's like, no, no, no parties. Mabel would want us all to die at this dance. She was She was a cruel old bitch. She if she had to die, she want us all to join her. So up top of the mines, TJ and AXL get off the elevator and Axel shouts at TJ that they got something to finish, and TJ goes, you bet we do. He goes to his car and drives off, and we see him taking Sarah from her job and she's like, you know, won't you listen to me? I don't want to go with you. Are you listening to me? And TJ goes, nope, I do love that line. Nope, So he shuts the door. They drive off to the bluffs and TJ and her have a really sweet scene where TJ basically confesses that he went out to California he tried to be tried to be an actory with what we find out in the book, and just fell on his ass.

56:53 He figured, I mean, if he went to California, he was either trying to be an actor or a musician basically in the eighties, he just fell on his serial killer. Yeah, he just fell in his ass and he ran out of money and then something happened with his car as he was either driving back or driving somewhere. And what you find on the book is that he wrote his dad, who's the mayor, of course, and his dad was like, Okay, I'll pay for your car, but you're driving it back here and you're coming to work in the mines. I mean, fair enough. I mean, so he was gone for about a year and he was so ashamed that when when he left, he couldn't call her, he couldn't contact her. And that's why Sarah's upset. It's like, you know, I didn't know where you went. I didn't know what happened to you. You just vanished, and now you come back and expect everything to be fine. He went ghosts he went ghost. So Sarah decides that she's not got to ride back with him, and she starts walking away and TJ just gets in his car and drives past her, and then he returns to the cage. He goes up to Axel, who's like, have you seen Sarah? And he's like, I didn't know. It was my job to take care of her. Oh. Meanwhile, Sarah is walking back from the bluffs and it's dark at this point. She's just hit about town and there's just eerie music going around. It's dark, we hear al sounds, and then as she's walking up, like you said, the flashlight falls on her and it's revealed to be Newbie. Yeah, but it really you don't think it's gonna be the cop. You really think it's it's the killer great fake out, Yeah, to keep the audience interested. So back at the cage, Happy is not buying the story of Mabel's heart attack. He even says heart attack, my ass, she got it just the way I said she did, and which makes him a bit of a red herring, Yeah, just a little bit. So he doesn't buy Mabel's demise. And meanwhile, the gang is trying to decide, you know, what they're gonna do since the party's canceled, And that's when TJ decides that they're gonna have a party

58:24 of their own in the mind because they're so desperate to be murdered. Yeah, they're so excited they just want to jump in to death. Yes, so they're like, not only are we going to have a party, We're gonna do it the mind, where all the horrible stuff twenty years ago that we know about happened happened. And like we said earlier, TJ is the son of Mayor Hanniger Hanniger Mind, so he has the keys of the mind, so he can absolutely get away with this. Well, I mean, you know, your last name don't really matter much to the undertaker there, boy. Yeah, so Half warns them that they decide to still go for with it. You know, they say, piss on the legend to Harry Warden. You know, it's old news, We're gonna go and do this.

59:07 So happy he's like all right, you guys do it and you'll be sorry. And then Happy decides that night to sneak out to Hanniger mind. He breaks a lock off, steals an outfit, steals a pick axe, and he rigs up a Harry Warden dummy outside of one of the doors that they're beginning into for the party, which is This is another great scene, yes, that i'd forgotten all about that really makes this movie stand out that I really love well because he's so happy, because he basically has it to where it opens the door and the pick axe goes up and it's goes to scare them, but he's just so thrilled with it that he just keeps doing it to himself. He keeps opening the door, closes it, does it again. On the third time. The real Harry Warden shows up, and Happy gets a pick axe right through his neck and coming out of his eyeball, pops his eyeball out. His eyeball pops out of the socket. It is one of the nastiest moments that I am positive was not in the original version. No, it was not in the original version. All you see is he opens the door and you hear it, and then he's dragged away.

59:59 You don't see I mean, I guess that'll do it too. The boy was that gruesome? Yeah, no, it's gruesome because not only is the eye picking out, but then when he sinks down, he drags him by that like he does not take it out of his joy. It is what you're looking for, if this is the kind of thing you like. Yeah. So the next morning, which means I gotta point this out. So the next morning is Saturday of the fourteenth, which we just passed Friday of the thirteenth. Okh oh, so my belody Valentine has a fright of the thirteenth in it. Oh you see, I'd never caught that before. I feel like this film. Uh, the Paramount executives were thinking, I think you're right. Do you Even movie will be right back, welcome back to do You Even movie. So it's Saturday the fourteenth, it's the morning of Valentine's Day, and we see Newbie and the Mayor coming out of the police station and one of the paper hearts blows past them, the ones they tore down supposedly, so now they're a little distraught with that owners of a paper Heart. Later that evening, the kids arrive at the mine and they've got their beard, they've got their snacks, they've got their tunes, they've got their seed, they've got their signs that say we just love being alive.

1:01:23 So they go in and they start having their party and they're just having a great time. Back at the station, Nubi gets faked out because he rides at his desk and sees a chocolate box that he his sergeant tells him uri for him a little bit ago. He opens it up to find a You're my secret admirer from Mabel and it's just chocolates. There's no heart in it. Another fake out. Oh and sadad oh, very sad. The one thing so in my bloody Valentine. The kids are dumb as a as a box of fuck. Yeah, but you can all borrow that one. But the adults are just like tormented and sad. Yeah, they they all go through the worst of everything. Yeah, God damn. So Dj arrives to find that Howard busted the lock on the door because he has the keys, and he says, you know who busted the lock and they tell him Howard did. Also, Axel and Sarah arrive right after him, and we also see Mike and Sylvia slip out and they start going over to one of the mine rooms as Another arrival is Dave, who was one of the workers, and he sees that there's hot dogs in the kitchen, so he's gonna go get a hot dog. He takes a little puff off a joint and he says, I got the munchies, So he goes into the kitchen.

1:02:31 He's fishing around for some hot dogs, and then Harry Warden shows up and buries his face into the pot while it's boiling with the hot dogs, which would honestly only flavor the only flavor hot dog. Oh, there's flavoring coming down right. Why would you Why would they all boil hot dogs? No, it's just it's funny because it's like, yeah, they have a big pot of water hot dogs for everybody, but it's like, why wouldn't you just use the griddle because you just have to heat them. I mean, we should mention they're in like a rec room. They've got a full kitchen, they've got a full bar and pool tables and all this stuff. But yeah, they are boiling the hot dogs. I am a big valves. Of course, you enjoy boiling hot dogs. I mean I used to cook them the microwave. I used to be a fucking heathen. I still look if I'm eating a hot dog for dinner, if I am eating a friggin Oscar Meyer weeder, I don't respect myself. I don't respect there. There at times I haven't even cooked them and I've eaten them, all right, So I no, no, no, too far, please no, David, that's no that wow. I it's been correct. It's been years, has it? It's been years. I'm pretty sure it is. I'm not gonna look at my time hop tomorrow and see I screencapped the text for you say it just ate a bunch of cold hot dogs. Bro oh man, If you do, that's gonna be the ultimate. So Dave gets murdered by being pushed into the boiling pot. And again another scene that was cut.

1:04:02 You'd basically just see him going in the theatrical and the water stops, and that's it. In the director's cut, you see his face just start to melt. Yeah, it's nasty. It is nasty as I'll get out, almost as nasty as boiled hot dogs in a communal pot. So Nube decides to go and check on the mine, and as he goes outside, he finds these dogs barking at a bloody box that is the candy box of Dripping Blood. But there's also a note on it that it says, you didn't stop the party. It should have said, can't stop the party. I just want to know where Harry's rhymes when he got lazy. No, he totally got lazy. I think he just he was like, I got this, and then when they started partying, he was like, shit, you didn't stop the party. Already returned the rhyming dictionary to the library. So Nubi is like, you know what, damn party? What's going on?

1:04:53 Axel is uh back at the party and he or Axle is getting too handsy with Sarah back at the party, and Sarah's had it and she's like, you know, why don't you just leave me alone? TJ says, you know, why don't you listen to her? Axel says, why don't you mind your own business? And that's when he tells him that Sarah's gonna go with him when he leaves town again. But Sarah did not say that, and she's like, you know, I have my own mouth. The two of them get into a fight again. Hollis has to break them up this time and he throws Axel out. Yeah, Hollis just grabs them both by the next and she's like, nah, yeah, will you guys cut this shit out? I love that scene. Hollis is like one of my favorite characters in this But so Axel takes a beer, he goes outside, he finds a corner and he just sits down, and TJ goes back to Sarah like trying to smooth things over, and she just tells me, I don't care anymore like you. You both are wearing me out. I'm done.

1:05:36 So she walks away from him, and uh. At that point, we find out that John and Sylvia are in the mind shower room, which, uh, by the way, yeah, that mind shower room, Like you ain't clean when you step out of that filth pit. Nah, I'm just I'm just saying, like that is strictly forgetting soot and memories off of you. Everything else is coming out with you. To give you a perspective on the shower room too. All the suits, all the miner suits, are hanging above them on these hooks that they have to pull down to release so they basically fall down completely onto them, which which makes perfect sense because you know, if you have a room full of steamed water, why not make all of the miners close slightly moist? That makes sense. And I bet it smells good. Yeah, oh, the smells and sights of the mind.

1:06:23 So John shows Sylvia how to get the suits down by pulling a rope, and that's when she says, you know what, I you know what we need. He's like, I got it right here, and he pulls out a condom and she's like, no, a couple of beers. John offers to go get the beers. Sylvia offers to go with them, but she stays behind. And that's when she's just hanging out. She starts to hear some noises. Want me to go with you? No, no, no, your cannon fodder. Yeah, just stay here. So she starts to hear some noises. She thinks that it's John returning, and then all of a sudden, the suits just start dropping one by one, and then several start dropping the time, and then all of them start coming down, and one drops down and it turns out to be Happy's corpse. Yep. And again, like I said, the excellent choice of the minor outfit. Yeah, you are misled constantly. Every one of them that drops. You have that little moment where you're like, is that the killer? Is that the killer? Is that the killer? Yeah, it's good stuff. There's a lot of high I mean, granted, this is in the realm of those slasher movies from the Slasher Boom. This is a higher budget, it absolutely is, and it definitely had a lot of higher concept gags and things like that, so at least they took advantage of their budget to some extent.

1:07:23 Yeah. So Sylvia of course runs into Happy's corpse and she's screaming, and that's when Harry comes out. He grabs her, picks her up, and walks her over to the shower and he impales her on a pipe of the shower system. And how and how you did not see this at all in the theatrical cut. You see him pick her up and walk her over, and then when John finds her, you just see that one shot of the water and like coming, which which I have to say though, that is a pretty good theater of the mind gag. It absolutely is. Yeah, So he impales her and you know she's just spitting blood. It hits his shoes and she's just twitching and then he turns the water on it and starts blasting out of her mouth. Yeah it's a good gag. It's a solid gag. Oh man, it's vicious, it's brutal. So Sylvia is now dead in the shower and John is back and the party and the girls are fishing out the hot dogs, putting more water in for the boil, and they end up pulling out a boiled heart. And it does look like a boiled heart. It does look like gray and gross. And of course John is like, oh, those guys as he's opening the fridge to get beer and there's Dave's corpse just sitting in the fridge, which he does see.

1:08:26 See, Yeah, doesn't see. I mean, you know, I'm sure, but I was wondering why the franks tasted like, you know, slightly better. Yeah, because they were they were cooked in broth. So John goes back to Sylvia, returns with this beer. Of course, thinking that she's in the shower, he gets excited, goes into the shower and finds her body and just starts freaking out. Meanwhile, Nubie is on his way to the mind, but Rally calls in from the institution and they radio him to come take the call. So he turns back around right as he gets to the mine, and he just misses the broken padlock by that much. Yeah, yeah, no, I love that. I love that so much. So Patty sways, Hollis that to make Sarah better, why don't we take a trip down to the mine? Why not go into the mind? I go two hundred feet underground, guys, Why wouldn't we do that?

1:09:10 Guys? So Michael, Harriet, Hollis, Patty and Sarah all decide that they're gonna take a trip down to the mine, but they're gonna come right back up because TJ stops them. Yeah, TJ stops them. He's like, you know, there's no you know, the rule no girls in the mine. Which it's like, what is this a boat? Is this a maritime ship from like nineteen sixteen hundreds? No women on the boat? So Hollis, where's you know? We're gonna take a ride and we'll come right back up. So they go down and they get their blankets, they get their little their little helmets, and they get, of course the beer, because that's one of my favorite lines is as they're leaving, they're like, yo, what about Geary's Yeah, yeah, grab that six pack? Yeah, well don't we need gear Yeah, you're right, grab that six pack. It was a great line. So they go down into the mine, and of course once they get down there, well they want a tour.

1:09:53 So Hollis is persuaded by the women for them to have a tour of the mine. If by persuaded you mean they asked one time yes, and he was like cool, just like climbed out. He just wanted to. Yeah, you hadn't care. So they start going off and he's showing off the mine. Meanwhile, Michael and Harriet hole hideout in the old engine room because they're gonna have some nice sex. Are you sure about it being nice sex? Back at the party, Dave's body is discovered as one of the women comes screaming out of the room, and just as that happens, John returns, falling into the door, frantic at finding Sylvia's body. That's when Axle goes back, finds Dave's body in the back and he runs back out and he says, Dave's dead. Harry Warden's here, Everybody, get the fuck out. Go go another great lie. He just everybody get the fuck out, and the party just clears out. Yeah, except for the kids who are in the fuck in the mine. And that's of course when TJ tells Axel that the others are down in the mine. So they decide to get their gear on and they're gonna race down there and find them. Meanwhile, down there, Hollis is broken away from Sarah and Patty. He does a little light scare on them, gets them to jump, and he's walking back talking about the old Anchel parts of the mine, and Howard drops down from one of the ceilings that he's hiding in and scares Hollis. Of course, of course, so the gang. Then here's a shattering of lights as we see Harry Warden down one of the tunnels, just breaking the lights of the pick accident, really highlight. Yeah, he's just walking down swinging the accent of the light. And my favorite is that he misses one and then has to try again. It's like what that helmet reducing your vision there a little bit. So of course, everybody is fleeing from the mines now,

1:11:25 which means they're going back into town. Axel told, I think it was, Oh God, who is I think it's John or one of them. He tells one of the guys, Tommy. He tells Tommy to go find Nubie and tell him that Harry Warden is here. So we see Nuby getting ready to leave. Tommy's car is swerving all over the road and Nuby gets out to start shooting a new one and that's when he's like, no, Harry Warden's at the mine. He's killed David. Sylvia like, you got to get down there. So Nuby goes and races down to the mine. Meanwhile, TJ locates the group in the mind, telling them that Sylvia and Dave is dead. Hollis then goes to check on Mike and Harriet, leaving Howard with the girls. And at this point I'm gonna take a second to read an excerpt from the book, because at this point Hollis finds the bodies of Mike and Harriet. Okay, so this is wow, did you like put a bookmark in and everything? I did? Wow? Okay, So this is a official reading, yes, of the My Bloody Valentine novelization.

1:12:15 So leather gloves, leather gloved hands gripped onto the eight foot Augur drill and hoisted it up in silence. The miner was cloaked in darkness as he moved within the shadows. Harriet wrapped her hands around Mike's neck and pulled his ear down to her mouth. I want to stay like this forever, she whispered passionately. Me too, he said, in breathless desire. The sharp bar hovered directly over Mike and Harriet, mimicking their movement. The bar was given a powerful downward thrust. The auger tore savagely into Mike's back, and he arched upward. The tool might have torn all the way through him if he had gone in just a half foot lower, but it got lodged in the tough muscle of his heart. The bar was large hackle screw, and it was turned by hands, slicing a circular path through anything in its way. Mike registered that something had gone a recklelly wrong. Lost in his first act of genuine penetration, he found himself on the receipt. Harriet's eyes were closed as she dealt with the intensity of Mike's latest thrust, harder than the rest, coming to a stop deep inside her. His pressure was so great and pleasurable, it was almost painful. As she moaned in response, she felt him drooling into her mouth. Harriet opened her eyes and saw a long line of bloody saliva hanging out of Mike's mouth. His eyes opened wide and shot.

1:13:23 Her mouth opened wider in horror, and that's when Mike gushed to stream of blood into her mouth. The spurt made her gag, while the blood that splashed her eyes blinded her. The augur erupted and spun out of Mike's chest and tore into Harriet's destroying her mother's first date dress. With ease twice impaled and under the great pressure, she could only squirm in worsening agony. Mike and Harriet's eyes locked in their final moments. They did not understand why they were being punished with this death, but they would depart life from the height of pleasure and fall straight into the cold eternity of the grave together. Aw Okay, that's at least romantic. Guess the reason I read that is because so that scene is unfortunately lost. That was a scene they did shoot, and Milhawka did talk about exactly that happening. So when I read that in the book, and of course he has the forward written in the book as well. I was like, damn, that scene would have been kind of cool to see Hill sick as hell. Sick as hell. Indeed, So Hollis finds their bodies and unfortunately he gets ambushed by Harry Warden with a nail gun and he gets one right in the temple as his minor helmet falls off, he goes to put it back on, and that's when Harry Warden steps out puts it right in this temple. And this scene is so brutal.

1:14:26 Yeah. Yeah, you would think that getting shot in the head with bolts would be a quick death. Yeah. Nah, they went realistic on it. So it uh, it's drawn out. It's drawn out. You get painful, the fuzzy vision and you see the camera from his POV. So blood starts to form because on the second shot he gets them right between the eyes and blood starts to form, and you've got a ringing and you just see Hollis days as he stumbling out. So he gets away from Harry Warden and he stumbles dead right in front of Patty and Sarah and Howard, and of course the group just freaks out. Well, I mean wouldn't you Yeah, do you Even? Movie? Will be right back, Welcome back to do You Even? Movie? So suddenly Harry starts coming at them from the other side. Howard runs off and Harry chases after him, and Sarah has to make Patty slap out of it because Patty is hysterical at this point.

1:15:25 This is her boyfriend. She was just like she was on a roll, like Eddie Murphy, just like getting the crowd go, oh you bet. She was scared, scared sorry, So she's scared, locked up and you know, Sarah's trying to shake her, and she's like, you know, we have to keep going, and she's like no, like I have to stay with him. Suddenly she just slaps her and that brings her back out of it, gives her one a good one right across the face. Yeah, So Sarah gets a slap on to Patty and Patty finally gets up. Axel then finds the girls and leads them off and they hear something, thinking that it's Harry. Axel then clocks in with the log and they decide that they're going to head to the top and that's where they're going to find the help. Because they get to the elevators and realize that they are broken. Ah, that means y'all gonna have to climb. They're gonna have to climb, And right as that happens, Nuby also arrives at the Mind and finds the elevator busted as well, so they decide again that they're gonna take the ladder. So we see them climbing up, and of course Patty is struggling because she's afraid of heights, to which I said, but you're not going up, you're going up to where you live live. Yeah, you're below sea level. It's not the same, but no, she's just so scared of falling seventy feet into the mouth. So we just have Axel, Patty, and Sarah on this ladder as they're climbing up. So Howard and TJ are both missing by this point, and Patty stalls at the ladder one time, and that's when Axles, like you know, Sarah help her up and he ends up slipping on the rung grabbing a rope, and then what do you know, Howard's body falls from the top of this steep and lands right in front of Patty and decapitates as he hangs on the rope. Yeah.

1:16:50 Yeah, the rope around his neck caused his head to rip clean, which right off sprays Patty with blood. It is gruesome, very greas like next level ghos. And of course again you did barely see this in the theatrical, but you didn't see the head hanging on the rope as they have in that one shot. You didn't see the body fall. Yeah, the body fall was griss, but the head hanging like they they made it look like it ripped off, like there was a lot of flesh left over and stuff. It was nasty. So Howard is now dead, and of course they're like, okay, well fuck this, we gotta go back down. So they get down and they start to decide what where they're going to go next, and they climb back down. As I said that, they have a shortcut around some high water area is where Axle's gonna lead them. He's like, come on, I got a way week and go. So he tells TJ to take the girls across and let him know when it's safe to come across. TJ gets the girls across and he's like, okay, all come on forward. We hear a thud, we hear a splash. They rush over and they see a broken piece of like I guess not fencing, but it's a rail rail, yeah, a broken piece of rail, and they're like, you know, you got to help him. As we see TJ's or axles hat just sink slowly in the surface. I love how as everybody's being murdered, they hear ah yes, and they go, what was that? It was your friend being murdered? What do you think it was at this point? So Sarah's like, you gotta help on and he's like, I can't. There's nothing I can do. It's it's sixty feet deep, yeah, which is you know that's over ten feet deep? Just over ten feet I am the lifestyle guide of the program. So that's the truth.

1:18:16 TJ then leaves the girls to a section. He tells me to fall on the wall. He'll catch up to them. So he goes around a corner and then we hear another thud and we hear some cavan and they don't hear anything from him, So Sarah and Patty reached the cart tunnel. Patty is then ambushed by Harry in one of the most brutal blows from the pick axe right into her gut right in the middle of her stomach, right in the middle, and he just lets her sink down as she's just looking at him dying. And it's really sad too, because I like Patty. Oh, Like, it's really sad because I value that one human life in this movie. Everybody else had it comment or what else. So Sarah then runs away, and as she's doing that, we see the cavalry arrive at the mines. Because one thing I forgot to mention is that when Newby decides he's gonna go to the mine, he calls for all men to meet him at Hanniger Mind, which all available men makes sense in the scheme of a very small town. Yeah, it's just like every able body, man, we need you now. So TJ finds Sarah as Harry appears again on their trail.

1:19:09 TJ starts the mind carts up and they both climb in, and Harry also climbs in. We have a little bit of a fight between a shovel and a pickaxe, which is pretty fun because TJ's just like trying to dodge the blows Harry's riding on it. It was like it was like a like a cheesy sword fight. That remember watching with Perry frust frust so Harry still behind them, we see that everybody started to enter the mind now, so the cavalry's arriving once again. They make their way down the tracks and TJ fins off Harry and gets a shovel with the pick axe knocks it out. They jump off the cart and go into a side chaft pocket. The three fight for a little bit and we see that the Harry Warden gets his pick axe stuck in a side He draws out a blade and as this happens, Sarah decides that she's going to distract him and she goes up rips off his mask, revealing that the killer is Axel. This entire time, it's our boy, the mister all American blondie over there. He has gone mad.

1:20:00 He has gone gone mad. So that's when we see a flashback of Harry murdering one of the supervisors, and we see that Axel is the kid that is also now in the slashback, revealing that it was his father as one of the supervisors that got killed and has heart ripped out. And not only that, but then when they show it the second time, Yeah, when the little kids looking on scart. They splashed right in the middle of the kid's face, which, by the way, like they just they let that kid have it. So then they show the kid laying there. It's actually really effective. They show him like laying under the patonic like yeah, catatonic exactly the word. Yeah, just staring their wide open eye. And now we realize that, like all good slasher horror eighties tropes, it all started with a little kid witnessing something horrible but rama bonding. But for once, it wasn't the the miner, you know, sleeping with his mom that there is that yere is that Well maybe in the book it's different. We'll get there. So as she pulls the mask out and Axel is revealed to be the killer, the side caves in as the pickaxe is pulled out Axel and Axel gets crushed, and TJ and Sarah escape out the side. Just as Nubie and the Mayor show up. TJ tells him that it wasn't Harry Warden.

1:21:05 He's like, I know it wasn't. The institution called me Harry Warden died five years ago. Yeah, and now we know, and he goes his Axel and of course the Bear's like, oh, well, it was on Valentine's Day twenty years ago that Harry Warden killed Axel's father in front of him. Yeah, in front of him. Huh, this information might have been useful. Crazy. So the men start to go to dig Axel out, and they move one rock away and they find a hand moving, so the guy shouts, he's alive. Meanwhile, Sarah and TJ have made their way down the tunnel. But Sarah, hearing this, runs back because she has to know she has to check, and she wants to hold his hand, and it's very clearly his hand because it's what he's wearing, his ring. He has this this like onyx black ring. Yeah, so she tries to touch the hand and at that moment it crabs sure, which I love that gag. But then we punch into underneath all of the wreckage, which is not in the theatrical. You do not see any of the cutting.

1:21:58 That was the reveal when she pulled away the arm, which is I kind of would have been more shocked. Yeah, yeah, because you see Axel just hacking away at his arm with Yeah, he's cutting his own arm off, like like he's in one hundred and twenty seven hours. Yeah, so she goes to pull on his hand. Of course the arm comes free and everybody screams. She drops the arm, and that's when Axel swears hervenge. She goes, Hanniger, I'll be waiting in hell for you, and this whole fucking town is going to die. We're coming back you. And he just starts kind of scooting away, going through some random mind tunnel that nobody can access. Yeah, and he's gonna bleed to death. Oh yeah, since well correction, due to box office, he bleeds to death. If the box office had been bigger, he would have figured it out. Yeah.

1:22:42 So he starts running off and he tells her. He says, Harry, Harry, I'm coming This whole fucking town's gonna burn. We're coming back, you, bastards. Sarah be my bloody Valentine. Ah, And then he ends it with a little song of Daddy Gone away, Harry what and made you pay? And then he laughs and that, my friends, is my bloody Valentine, which is not technically over because we get a lovely ballad of Harry Warden by Paul's Asa that is a folk song that I have grown to really like I am aware. I was too busy. I was trying to throw you off by singing cold warm side of the Door, just so you wouldn't be able to get it stuck in my head. But no that and and I will say, so something I'd forgotten is that ending as strong as hell? Oh yeah, it's creepy and it like I said, if only the box office had been a little stronger, he might have survived, survived to kill more teenagers in another year or two. So would you like to know some interesting additions to the novelization that we're not in this film?

1:23:42 Hell yeah, all right, so novelization reveals that we're not on screen. So Axel chose to murder Stella Sagar was her name in the beginning, and Mabel because they were the two that were responsible for bringing the Valentine's Day dance back. Okay, well that makes sense. Yeah, but yeah, because we don't know who that girl. Yeah, so Harry Warden also real quick, Axel makes perfect sense as the killer too, because now you know that that's the reason the girl went in the mind with him, because Axel was a young, pretty good looking guy. Yeah, no, he is absolutely Why don't you talk more about how much you liked so Harry Warden. One thing that they did in the My Bloody Valentine to two thousand and nine remake that I really feel like they don't touch on as much in here is that Harry Warden straight up murdered those men to cannibalize them. Okay, yeah, he went crazy, like he put pick axes in their head, He put pick axes in their rectums, like, no joke, like this is in the book. He went full psychopath and cannibal murdering the whole team shortly after the collapse. But that caused him to go crazy because with the collapse, they were just in darkness. Yeah, no sound, complete darkness start, you know, they started to get hungry and everything. So he just lost in South America, they can last like two weeks apparently. Do you remember that. I can't remember the name of that movie I watched that was about that mind collapse though it had lou Diamond Phillips and it was very very good.

1:24:55 But it looks starkly dark and dark dark. Yeah, but yeah, they're stuck in total darkness. Yeah, so that made him go crazy. Evidence of this is found, Like I said, happy is the one to find him in the movie, and both the book and Happy relates that they found pick axes in the craniums of the miners and the rectums. They that he also had used them as human toilets, so he had actually what the hell, Yeah, he had actually done some really fucked up things to the courses. I like it better without that. Yeah, I get it, though. It's kind of like like when they wret not that this is a ret con. It's kind of like when they wret conned things like the zombie at the beginning of Living Dead in the thirtieth n Thednuscery edition, how it was like, now he's a childbirdirl, so it's like he's already scary. I liked it more when it was like, we don't know what happened in that mine, but when we found him, he was stark, raving, mad eat human flesh. That I think is scarier personally. But yeah, So Happy actually goes to see Harry at the institution. Oh, that's nice of him, and he gets attacked by Harry and has a chunk of his arm bitten out. That's less nice of him, because he talks to him and Harry says one sentence. I can't remember what it was. It was something like why did you come? Like? Why did you come here?

1:26:00 Basically is what it was. So he gets one sentence out of him and then he attacks him, and that's when Happy he decides to a never go back in the mine again fair and that he's going to start a new business. So he goes into that bar business of the cage with his buddy and that's when he just basically lives at the bar from that point on. Well, I I'm not a drinker, but I might be after that. Yeah. So Harry's murder of the second supervisor because we only see the first supervisor in the movie. He killed the second supervisor on the toilet and he hit him right in the head with a pick axe. Oh well, that's you know, getting some filing done. And then you know to the point where they report in the book that the coroner actually found not only blood but also a little bit of cranium inside the toilet bowl by the time that they were examining him. Gross. Yeah, I know. TJ's reason to leave California, as I said, is he wanted to be an actor. They mentioned a couple of shows that he like was in the background of one of which being MOREK and Mindy Noo. Yeah. So Sarah's walk home, there's actually a scene where she's walking past the cemetery and Harry Warden actually rises up from one of the tombstones because he's tapping his pick axe on the thing, which is what gets her attention. And shortly after that she ran into Nubie, which I thought was kind of a cool visual that I could have seen.

1:27:04 Okay, yeah, I would dig that. Yeah. TJ and Axle's friendship long time, like I said, like I said earlier, long time. They had been friends since they were young kids. They would go to that junk yard all the time. One instance in particular, I can't believe I'm gonna say this. Oh man, this is in the book go On, Double d go On. So in the book, at the junk yard, one day they open a trunk and they find a stack of hardcore porno mags nice and they basically have a masturbation contest to the magazines at the junkyard. Well, it's important to keep in mind that the best part about a masturbation contest is everyone win. Everyone. One of the things that I really really liked at the end that I wish was in the movie is right around the time that they go into that side patch. That's where Stella's murdered body is.

1:27:50 That's where he murdered her. As oh okay, and they of course by this point she's been down there a couple of days, so there's rats and stuff. But there is an introduction of a character in the book that's a dog that they call Bier, and Bier is one of the dogs that's barking at the heart that the chief finds outside the station. Right at this point, Bier comes up down from comes down into the mine, and he starts gnawing on Stella's corpse. Well, good boy, yeah, I actually I take that back Patty's corpse okay, yeah, and he charges at Harry at one point DJ never noticed that his friend was like cuckoo Bananes apparently never noticed that he was like completely insane ever since that one, you know, okay, fair apparently not. So that is just a couple of instances of the book. Again, I cannot recommend this stuff if you're a fan of novelizations. This just came out a while back. Unfortunately, it's not one you're gonna be super easy to find. Stop the Killer is the company that put it out, with some affiliation from a publisher. Stop the Killer is a great company right now putting out board. They put out some cool stuff I got. I got the Silent Deadly Night book from them. Yeah, so yeah, definitely one to look out for if you can find it right now. I will tell you. They also do have a pre order up for Happy Birthday and me he's getting a novelization an sol a player game, shoot a game of Happy Birthday. Okay, fair enough, all right, So would you like to know some fun facts as we bring this to a close. No, too bad, damn. So the box office was five point seven million against a two point three million dollar budget, which two point three million is a lot for a little slasher like this. Yeah, I am surprised by that. Released on February eleventh, nineteen eighty one, So they were right around Valentine's Day when this came out. Makes sense, I

1:29:20 mean, and there's not a lot of competition at that time of year. But uh, I know that they were underwhelmed by the They were hoping for another Friday of the thirteen. They absolutely makes sense. Paramount you know what you're right. If you want lightning, just put it in a bottle so you can open the bottle anytime you want lightning, right two and two thousand and three, Milhawka actually approached Paramount to do a sequel, and because of the poor return, they just weren't interested. In two thousand and three they were also probably like, who are you? What is this movie you're talking about? We made what? Yeah? So another fun fact is the location of the Sydney mines Nova Scotia were chosen because of its rustic atmospheric appearance, but when the locals found out that the movie was being shot there, they spent fifty eighty thousand dollars to have The Mind painted and cleaned up so that when production return. When production returned, this diminished the reason for that production one of the locations. So, according to Lilahaka, seventy five thousand dollars of the film's budget went to putting The Mind back to its original state.

1:30:16 So they thought they were helping. They were like, oh, man, if they're gonna, if they're gonna film in our oh no, sorry, hey hey, hey, if they're gonna, if they get a film in our mind, we might want to make it nice for him. Oh, we have very nice Canadians, So god, that's hilarious. The mines were nine hundred feet underground. Only certain lighting devices could be used in the mines due to the potential of methane explosions. Yeah no, that's very serious. The legend of Harry Warden credits song is afterthought by Paul Zaza. That move was basically done when they were done with the movie. They were like, we need a catchy songs, so he put the song in. It was done by Scottish Canadian tenor John McDermott, who is uncredited on the song. Mind you uh. The film's origin, according to the producers, where they wanted a holiday slasher film that had not been set on on during the slasher boom, setting it on Valentine's Day. They named the working title of the project The Secret to keep the idea from anybody copying it. So what you're saying is they manifested the movie by using the Secret. That is exactly a ah oprah winfee Listeners makeup designers shift the dummy corpse to set in a coffin, causing much alarm as it hit the Canadian customs. It would Yeah, Yeah, that would happen. The Hanniger mine is never revealed to be a specific mind, but many assume it's a coal mine. It would make sense.

1:31:30 But there are a lot of mining operall see. But do we don't know that it takes place in Canada? Yeah, because in Canada there's a lot of different kinds of mining. Yeah, but yeah, I would assume a coal mine. The cast arrived a week or two before shooting to get the feel for the town and the lifestyle, allowing them to bond his friends, but also found out fast it was not uncommon for locals to wind up with bloody knuckles after heavy nights of drinking. All right, now we're talking. Now we're cooking with gas. And the last one I have is the Killer's identity was kept secret even from the cast, because the filmmakers liked the idea the mystery being real among the actors. Affleck, though, figured it out when he was the killer, because he went sent to the effects department to have himself fitted for a fake arm that was gonna be torn off in the finale. Huh, Well, who says actors aren't bright? Yeah?

1:32:12 So that again, my bloody Valentine did some fun facts with that. I mean, what is your final thoughts on this film andrigue? I mean, I definitely. I mean there's no better other than maybe the remake Ye slasher movie. If you want to enjoy Valentine's Day, perhaps by yourself as an edge lord. If you do find yourself single on Valentine's Day, there are worse ways to spend your evening while eating chicken wings or what have you. Yeah, so I do like it quite a bit. I do look forward to revisiting it. Yeah, I also really do like that remake. Yeah, but I would say that it's a definite rent it although part of me, I mean, if you're if you're a stupid movie fan, then you might want to own it just to watch it every year. Yeah. So I gave it a I think this is one of the best slashers to come out of the eighty slasher Boom. I think it's one of the most fun.

1:33:04 I don't think it has really any slow moments. I mean it freaking It moves pretty damn fast, and it has all the pieces you need for a good time. The setting is unsettling and scary because you have the mind and you don't have a lot of movies that take place in them. For one, especially horror film. Sure, and I think honestly too, it just adds to the uneasiness of it with the theme town of Valentine Bluffs and just the Valentine massacre. I mean completely different movie, of course, yeah, very different, But I mean it's fun. You have the curse all with everything in it, and the tragedy involved, and the characters, even though some of them are pretty stupid, it's still a really fun movie, and it's a good slasher and it still holds up. I love this with each watch, like every time, I just love it more. I think that's a fair point. So what are your recommendations to pair this? What's a fine pairing so you might you might appreciate this. I'm gonna go with a movie from nineteen ninety one called Scary Movie. Really paranoid teenager comes to believe that an escaped lunatic made hiding in the neighborhood Halloween House of Horrors and slowly starts to descend into madness. The reason I picked Scary Movie is because of the spook house setting and just overall affiliation of the people and just it's it's a horror film. On the I don't like the slightest turn, I guess I would say, because like I mean, it's on Halloween. There's gore ye DAGs and stuff like that. It's it's a very unusual movie, yeah, for sure. And it's like a Texas it's a Texas movie, but it's very not rural. Well it's rural, yeah, but it's very it feels very much like those movies that were made regionally, yeah, in America at that time. Yeah, I think scary movie is I mean you

1:34:36 and I've watched it a couple times now. I think it's super underrated. I would love to see more eyes fall on it. And I feel like it's a good pairing for this just because of the overall hangout field the movie, because while My Blood Valancini is a slasher and everything, there's a lot of hanging out introducing your characters and everything. Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean. It's kind of cozy in that way. And remember we're talking about scary movie from nineteen ninety one, not John Wayns brother John Hawks, not the Wayans Brothers. And Scary MOVI movie also another thing worth mentioning, and the thing that makes me like the movie the most is the main characters are in line for the spook House like the entire because that before we started having like internet ticketing, that was the spook house experience was being in line like two or three hours. Yeah, that's why, you know, you'd stock up on beer and cotton, candy and stuff. So I do like scary movie. But I thought about my recommendation, okay, and I'm gonna go with one for a similar feel and apparently, as I've learned today, a similar cruise. My first thought was Happy Birthday to me, I was that was gonna be mine too. I was thinking about that or the Burning That was the other one that popped in my head. I could see that. But Happy Birthday to me, it just has a very similar feel.

1:35:42 It's a similar era, similar teams working on it. Great twist at the end, great twist, super fun and I just love Happy Birthday to really good. And it's also gotten a lot of good releases too recently, so that's a really good one I agree with. Yeah, so my bloody Valentine. If you love your seasonal horror, it's something I think is worth owning. I think for the average fan, you probably want to rent it, but you might fall in love with it as the film falls in love with you. This is true. So before we get out of here, thank you guys so much for checking out the show yet again, really do appreciate. If you want to email us recommend a movie, suggest something, just send us an email at do You Even Movie Pod at gmail dot com or go to dooevenmovie dot com. You can contact us through there. You can also sign up for our Patreon for as little as three dollars a month.

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