I Know What You Did Last Summer (1997): ’90s Teen Slasher

0:01 The creator of Scream has done it again and the critics are hooked. I Know what You Did Last Summer is an age of your seat Swiller. It's scarier than Scream and will make you jump out of your seat. Hang on for a wild terror ride. I Know what you did last Summer? Don't see it alone. In a world where podcasts reigned supreme, Two friends dare to ask.

0:42 Do You Even? Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David de Noyer. Spoiler alert, Hello, my friends, and welcome back to another episode of Do You Even? Movie? My name is Enrique Kuto, and this is well. Just Dave, just Dave Fisherman, Dave Hush hush, then something.

1:25 Yeah, No one'll ever know those other words as has become maybe a little bit overdone. We do have a affinity for the nineties, Yes, we hear it. Do You Even? Movie? And today is no different as we look at the beginning of the entire Scream machine, because of course Scream starts it. But what really makes a film change the whole industry is not the films in the series. That's how it affects the films outside of itself. Exactly. So we've got not only a Dawson's Creek teen slasher that's self aware, yes, but the same writer, Kevin Williams n Williams, the same writer as Scream. Of course, nobody likes to talk about the fact that Kevin Williamson's original script was like not very much at all, like what Wes Craven ended up filming for Scream.

2:24 This is also true, but it was still touches. Oh yeah, well, I mean it's not like he's known for being a bad writer. He wrote a lot of good stuff and the interesting choices that were made. And I know what you did last summer. Yeah, and more importantly it's sequel. I'll always know what you did last summer. God damn it. You are so hung up on I always know Jude last summer. And I just want to say here on the podcast that I am willing to watch it again, but I remember it not and I stress not being any semblance of a good film. You don't remember anything that's not true. Oh yeah, what did you have for lunch? I didn't eat lunch exactly, you know, I didn't eat lunch.

3:05 Damn it nailed it. Got them kids, got me indeed no. But but Dave, I would have never talked about I'll always know what you did last summer. Ever, if you had just when I said the name, sorry, then I would be like and you were like. But this is a great example of our friendship to the viewers and listeners who oh no, no, no, no, no about it too late it's been said, but no. It is one of those situations where my reaction dictates how you react to us in a property, whether it's a movie, whether it's a TV show, of watching it right then and there if you can find it, or you're gonna just drop it on me later and be like, well that's what we're doing to night.

3:47 Yeah. The amount of times I've showed up for Cigar Knights and you've been like, well, you know that movie you didn't want to watch. Guess what happens a lot it does because you don't like as many good movies. But I will also give you credit that you have turned me around on some things. Do you know one off the top of your head. Virus Haunted Hills. Yeah, you hear that. I think I was just in a really bad spot when I watched it for the first time. Well, the weird thing about that was it wasn't one of those elvirus Hanta Hills and you got all upset and yead and I went, well, I like it. Yeah. I was like, hey, I haven't seen alvarrus Haunted Hills. And you're like, oh, dude, not good, blah blah blah. I think, uh. I think we've established on the show already too that sometimes I have a very bitchy opinion of films that I did not take into account where my mind was at when I watched them or how I was feeling when I watched them, So I don't revisit them for a long time, and then you are the one that convinces me to go back.

4:41 You could reel that back to just bitchy. Yes, Yes, sometimes I just have a bitchy opinion. No, al virus Haunted Hills is one. And there's a big one that I'm trying to think of. What happened was you were it was a Friday night, you weren't there? Yeah, And I had gotten the Blue Red Blue h Yeah, yeah, because I was excited. I think it was on sale. Ye. We put it on and I'm like and I literally was like, I've heard it's not that good, not that good, but it was after I read her biography. Yeah, that's right. I was like, I heard it's not that good, but she seems to be really proud of it. So let's watch it. And it's NonStop kitchy. It's fun, it's so funny all the way through. It's silly, it's goofy, it's it's ridiculous. And as soon as it was over, I was like, what the fuck were you talking about?

5:23 You forget I wasn't there for that, like you said, And then Joe Bob showed it, and so I had to watch it. Oh yeah, And then that's when you were like, hey, what do you think now? I remember because I was like, guys, I know, on a movie night, we'd usually have pizza, but tonight we're serving crow for Dave to eat. Oh duck. But yeah, no, I mean that that is a history of our friendship, is that I had there. But I've also done it to you a couple of times that I can't think of a single time because it's never happened. It has happened. There's been a couple of times it's happened. Well, for the record, I mean I am just the relentless, frustrating Pollyanna of the friendship of all my friendships. Really, so to find a movie I truly dislike is not that easy.

6:10 No, it's not. Although you still have not shown me one of your favorite films I hate, and I'm not going to say the name of it because I don't want to inspire you. Nope, nope, nope, nope. And well, we watched The Crow together in theaters this year, but you didn't hate the crowd. I never had that. No. In fact, seeing the Crow in the theater made me realize that I had like a deep connection to the Crow. God what I feel like? I know what it is, and now I can't think give me just a. Subtle one, not a chance in hell. All right, this is now. The goal of the episode is to figure out what this is. I mean, you're on your own because I will not tell. You when you say favorite, when I talk about a lot. I'm not helping you at all. Content be damned, I will not give you a fucking hint. God damn it, I will not tell you a decade. I will not tell you as have I brought it over here before.

7:01 I won't give you a fucking hint. You get nothing. Good day, sir. I am not Holly Wonka. I know you love Willy Wonka like I do. I do. No, no you, I I seriously won't give you any because the idea of revisiting it. No thanks, Hey, Birdman, Rob and Bama you calling out. Let me, let me, let me just let me just slip this message in badger this motherfucker like you've badgered me about the Yellow Belt, about this movie, so we can talk about it on the show. Good Luck, good luck. I am so I curious now, shit, I am a tumultuous creature. I will not give.

7:46 In yn it's something that you despise. I do so, and that's the only hint you'll ever get. So okay, we're literally kicked this around any. Hint, and I think you would figure it out, probably so, but no, no. Uh. That's the thing about watching movies. Sometimes you realize that you weren't really watching them the first go around. Yeah, or in David's case, watching with yours. Yes, this is true. That's that's my favorite. I think I hope you hate that as much as I love that, because I think that's my favorite thing to say to you. It's gotten. It's gotten to be one of my favorite phrases that I also use now. But also it really one hundred percent is accurate because there there are because I'm okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna soapbox here first time.

8:30 Oh god, Dave's doing it for once. I really want people to cameras there. I know, but I I really, I really want people to listen when I say this. If you're a jaded moviegoer, it's okay to not know that until you think about it. And the best example I can give is that going to a movie theater allows me to not have my phone out at all has me. It allows me to not be in contact with anybody that's going to distrap me from the film to a point where I've gotten putting my phone away when I watch a movie, like, I will either put it in the other room, I'll put on the charger. Did I tell you I read a study that showed that having your cell phone out of the room with you, Yeah, is like twenty five percent lower anxiety rate. No shit, Like people are literally addicted to their phone. Yeah. I don't even think that's questionable.

9:15 No, I mean it's not. And they but they said that it's like a twenty five to forty percent decrease in anxiety if it's not in the room with you, and I can absolutely believe, and that's if it never rings. I can absolutely believe. So anyway, but I was not trying to do You're going with you but no. So my advice to you is, if you have a favorite movie, and I mean it could be it could be anything in regards of the word favorite. It could be one that you've seen a lot of times. It could be one that you go to for a comfort film. But if you have a favorite movie, do an experiment of putting that movie on, putting your phone either outside of the room, turning it off or whatever, and literally just looking at the screen for the entire time as much as you can. Because, uh, you and I agree with this, because this happens several years ago when we both took our mothers to see Steel Magnoias. Oh God, yeah, and we caught so much that we he hadn't seen before, even though we've seen that movie countless times.

10:03 Well, and there's something else to be said for it being on the big screen in front of you. Even this, I mean, not that my screen's not very big. But even my screen, which is one hundred and twenty inches, the average home television is around fifty to sixty five to seventy. Yeah, so seeing the screen that big, Like, I hate watching movies on my big screen by myself unless I'm really dedicated. Yeah, because I feel like I'm wasting the experience If I just put whatever on and then I end up flipping through my phone during it, I always feel dirty. So but but I am also the kind of person who will be like, all right, Saturday night, I'm all alone, no friends are around, so I'm gonna make me a box of popcorn and I'm gonna put on Let's see which one of the Maria Ford Roger Corman movies with the same screenplay do I want to? I want there Saturday Night's Special, do I. Well, that's the best one of them all, So I do, sorry Saturday's Special, And I will sit in watch a VHS rip of Saturday Special on my giant screen and be like mona good but no. Like.

11:08 The reason I bring this up especially is like I've seen a lot of people shit talking twisters. We saw twisters recently, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I've seen people shit talking it that it doesn't have the same appeal as the first one. I mean, that's a whole nother review we could get into, maybe even later on the show. I don't know. But Twister is a movie that played cable incessam. We talked about that on the podcast. I've seen that movie countless times, and it's amazing that I you and I saw it together, and I thought that it captured the feeling of the original to a good point, but still had enough to make its own original space in the in the timeline I guess of the films because it's not it's not a direct sequel. There's nods to the original in it, but nothing character wise or whatnot. Well, it clearly takes place in the same universe as Dorothy. Dorothy exists, yeah and then and then there's brief mentions here and there, But anyway, it's it is a movie that that a lot of people hold near and dear, and I think if people go into Twisters just wanting to have fun with that original concept of what they loved about the original, I think for the most part, they'll like it. And that's also because they're having their direct attention on the screen the entire time, they're not distracted by anything. I think when you have the option to have a distraction, whether it's your phone, whether it's a laptop or anything like that.

12:16 Whether it's a significant other, divorcemicant other, yes, divorce them. I think it makes it easy to detract your enjoyment of a film to where you're not actually watching the film. You're just kind of having it on as ambience. And I feel like a lot of my friends actually do that well. In cable television was kind of the birth of just having stuff on his ambience as well. Well, it's funny you say that, Dave. Okay, because I just so happened to have the director of Twisters. No, no, I uh, it's funny you say that, Dave, because yesterday I worked a fourteen and a half hour day. Yeah. I won't bore with the details, but I was doing a tedious job that absolutely had to be done, and because of the situation, it's a noisy job. I was running computers, and I was running computer fans, and I was running printers all at once in one room. So I had my AirPods in because not even for music and stuff, just because they make the noiseless. Yeah, they make my head stop hurting. And as I was sitting there doing this, I realized I have a two monitor set up on my computer. I was like, I'm gonna put a movie on the second computer because it'll feed through my headphones, and I'm just gonna kind of have it on because I do every soft and I have to go and do something and go and do something. And I realized by the third film i'd watch doing that that I was basically a security guard. Okay, I'm glad you get where I'm going. Going out with that, I was like, oh, I'm just like watching the TV until something makes a noise and then I look away and I go deal

13:46 with it, and then I come back and sit back down. And that made me realize something because I was watching mostly thrillers and action movies, and boy did they keep me amused while I was working. But that's something I don't do very often because most of the time jobs are too focused. Yeah, that you're active, depending up, you're active actively editing or recording, it's like you can't I. Mean, well, yeah, if you're if you're doing a podcast, you can't listen to or watch anything at the same time, if you're editing it, you have to listen actively to it. Yep. If you're editing video, you have to listen and watch. Sometimes there's editing where you barely need to listen, but even then it's like maybe i'd put on a podcast or something, you're not gonna watch a movie. So yeah, it's very rare that I have that ability to just kind of letever and I just have the movie on the TV. And that was what I felt like. By the time the last movie ended at like twelve thirty at night, I was like, I was like, oh, I feel like I'm working a night watching them this job.

14:39 I'm just like, look at the TV. I hear noise and goes that broken that's fine, fine, And I'm like, oh, I'm watching you know, uh roder And I was watching like Roger Corman movies from the nineties that nobody knows. I found. I found one that like nobody knows, you've told me about it had four reviews on IMDb. That's it. Yeah, Oh, I gotta check my letter box out. Yeah quick, whichever, No way, if you are watching this show and you went, oh quake, yeah with Steve Rails back then, you should email in do youeven moviepot at gmail dot com and let us know because that's weird. Yeah, that absolutely is. But anyway, it was really good. But as I was watching that, I watched like Bloodfist three, I watched a documentary, I watched a bunch of stuff. My point is just that it was funny watching something so passively. Actually it was really fun. Yeah, do you Even Movie?

15:30 Will be right back, Welcome back to do You Even Movie? In general, there's something to be said for giving a film your undivided attention, or as undivided as you can, and that's a struggle for a lot of people. Well, and especially with COVID happening in twenty twenty being the year that we started seeing all these major films get released to streaming services. So people in large amounts I don't think have returned to the theater. I mean obviously, well, well, the theaters were declining anyway to an extent, and that's just gonna be the nature of the beast, because watching movies is becoming more and more and more convenient and it's not like we can, bitch, we make like an hour and a half to two hours show a week that you can watch for free.

16:22 This is true via the internet, you know. It's that's the future, that's where we are now. And I do miss that nostalgia, you know, of the video store and stuff like that. But I totally understand why it lost the fight. It's just the convenience of you don't even leave your couch versus you have to leave your home, you have to go somewhere. You have to walk, you know, be respectful. Well, if the sheriff's around, yeah, pants on. But so But the other thing I want to mention is the other problem. It's not just about not paying attention. It's also about people so desperately want to have something to say yeah about the films that they've just watched. And for the most part, most people feel like if you don't have something negative to say, if you don't have a harsh criticism, yeah, then you've got nothing interesting to set And.

17:11 I disagree whole heart. I disagree too. And if we're wrong, you must be really bored listening to the show because we're so positive most of the time. But that's that's that's always been my attitude. In fact, the movies, and you've known this our entire friendship the movies I'm most critical of are the ones that we walk out of that I like, yeah, I'll walk out of it and go, man, that was great. Wouldn't the third act have been better if this had happened? Yeah? I mean we saw we saw Long Legs two weeks ago now, and we've still been talking about it every time we see each other, basically like just been waking some stuff up. I really enjoyed it, even though I thought it wasn't it wasn't perfect. I really enjoyed it. I don't the reviews. I mean, the reviews hype it up a bit, but it does. It does definitely have a place in horror, But I don't think it's the next groundbreaking one that everybody's making it out to be.

17:53 Sweetheart, It's already groundbreaking. Well the yeah, box office wise it is. Yeah, it's already a ground breaking horror. Oh yeah, no, no, no, I know that I'm saying. I'm more so saying content wise, like it's the scariest movie. Of the year. I I I like it's hard because like the things I found hokey about it, If I say out loud, I spoil some for people. And I and I think the best way to go into Long Legs is knowing nothing. I think the best way to go into most movies is knowing absolutely nothing. The only thing I'm gonna say no spoilers at all, is that a certain actor in it could definitely do a Tiny Tim biopic that I would be all in on. That's it, Okay, I would love to see him do that too.

18:34 I mean, yeah, I mean he was kind of a cross between Tiny Tim and Michael Jackson. Yeah. I wrote on Letterbox tiny Tim impersonation from Hell, so. A Tiny Tim, and I love Tiny Tim, but he got a little scary. Therefore, especially towards the end of his Howard Stern appearances. Well, he literally his face looked like a mortician did his making. He just was terrified. Oh he was anyway, and then he made himself a clown blood Harvest. And I really love Tiny Tim. I think he's a fascinating person with fascinating music. Eternal Troubadour. His bio that the guy that was on Justin Martel Martell. He wasn't just on Joe Bob. He is the producer, creator of the Last Driver. Yeah, but his book is phenomenal.

19:16 I was at the convention when the book came out and I had a table next to him. That's that's how weird it was when I found out Justin Bartell's like, I know that name, this guy I sat next to for a weekend in Cherry Hill, New Jersey. So no, no, yeah, anyway, yes, we've got enough topics all that digression to say, Yeah, you know, when you can sit down, put your phone in the other room and stop watching a film already trying to articulate what you want to say about it, Yeah, that is definitely the worst way to go about watching a movie. I mean, you know, I don't know. I can only speak as the anxiety riddled goblin that I am. I get that. My point, I apologize. My point in wrapping this up is that I think it's become and you nailed it, is I think it's become way too easy to wax negatively about a film. People will make quips on their letterbox like that's the review is just like one smarmy line of it, and it's just like, well that didn't give me anything, like what do you actually think about the movie? Sort of thing. So I feel like there's absolutely a place for that stuff too, and I get that, but I feel like a large amount of viewers these days are not enjoying films.

20:25 Well, it's just the desperate need to be based. Yeah. And meanwhile, I'm over here being cringe and I'm proud of it. So let's talk about it with you. Like a stupid fucking movie from the nineties. Hell yeah, we are talking about I Know what You Did Last Summer from nineteen ninety seven, one hour and forty one minutes, rated R for strong horror, violence and language. I did feel like the horror violence was strong. It absolutely is. No. This is one that we actually talked about this off, Mike. This is where I get into a debate of what is a horror versus a thriller? Yeah, which I mean a lot of people would say the only difference is a horror and a thriller is an Academy Award. This is actually very fucking true. Wow, Because if you have a horror film and it suddenly becomes super successful, if it becomes Silence of the Lambs, then all of a sudden, it's a thriller and it has value. But if it's just playing on cable and making teenagers scared, then it's a horror movie. It's a piece of garbage. It's just here to come and to go.

21:22 But this is one of those movies to me that embodies everything that you could want from a ninety slasher after Scream setting out that whole track. Basically, well, Scream reinvented the slasher movie. The slasher movie was incredibly stale by eighty nine and ninety, and Scream took it and put it on top of its head and made people want to watch slasher movies. But now instead of wanting to see a group of kids go to fix up a summer camp, yeah or whatever, it became all about suburban kids, which makes sense because that's who's going to see the movies, whether they're suburban kids or the parents of suburban kids. They wanted it to be about suburban kids. They all had to look great.

22:04 That's why the joke is they cast off of the WB because it was literally all these teeny bopper people. I mean, Scream had it, I know he did last summer had it. The faculty. Yeah, yeah, they had these you know, great looking young, generally white kids. Which is interesting because then when the WB became like the bastion of people of color television. It was originally the place where you watched white kids be mad at each other and make out, which I always thought was like, it was like an evolution. I gotta love that evolution. So but that's that was the big change. Is it went from it went from like kind of a down and dirty noss to being like, no, no, no, we want good looking young people at most college age good looking young people. And of course now we're and as we're heading into the two thousands, you know, it just met like dudes wearing like gauntlet banded abandoned things on their arms and girls showing their middrift because that was the era of the mid drift was so and that's where you get great films, like we've talked about Urban Legend.

23:10 Urban Legend was cast just like that as well. It just became the thing. And really it didn't stop being massively popular until Saw. Yeah. So that's a good almost ten years, about a decade, ye yeah, yeah, about a decade. And and that's the thing. And and but you know people, you know, people don't talk about enough. Tell me they don't. Talk enough about there was this little pocket from about ninety nine or two thousand maybe two thousand and one until about two thousand and seven or eight, where there were a bunch of monster movies again that is yeah, you're absolutely right, and not just like Lake Placid. Yeah, not just those, but like Toby Hooper's Crocodile, Crocodile two Death, Roll Octapus too. Well, but we're talking before the sci Fi Channel thing. Oh yeah, like those movies ended up on the Sci Fi Channel because they fit. But these were direct to video movies mostly, almost all of them made by New Image, which New Image was founded by two guys who worked at Cannon Films, so they were running with it. Avi Lerner was the main founder of New Image and they meet. But they made these monster movies and they were hugely popular. But you know what they all did that had the attractive teenagers. They all had the Dawson Creek casting. So now that I'm thinking about it, now that I'm saying it out loud to you, I'm going, wait, I guess it was part of in a way, it was part of the same breath of fresh air, because well, breath of fresh air which made

24:41 everything the same. And yeah, everything that's new is everything that's old is new again, and everything that's new gets crusty so that you could quote me on that. Put that on my tombstone. But but but yeah, that's I just want to mention that I because I was right at that time in two thousand and two thousand and one, two thousand and two, I was the kid with the DVD player, right when they became affordable, who was buying up these new image movies that were all over the shelves of Blockbuster. Yeah, and then a year later they'd air on sci Fi. And it was before sci Fi started making them all themselves and started making them really wacky and because they realized people were watching them for bad. Movie, bad movie.

25:22 Yeah, it blows my mind to look at those. So I just want to mention that, like it wasn't the cycle wasn't only slashers yet it was a lot of slasher movies. And I mean I and I think what I like most about I Know you did last summer is that it's it doesn't follow the screen formula exactly in regards of its pacing, because you know, infamously we open on screen with the death of Drew Barrymore's character. Yeah, then we move into you know, some menacing but then the principal dies who was Henry Winklish character. And remember though the death of Drew barrymore call back to Hitchcock. Everything that's old is new. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what I love about I know you'd lest so is It's pacing is so good when it comes to the menacing that when we get to the kills, it's just like, oh, yeah, I guess it is. I guess it is a horror film.

26:07 Well, and if you read the book, the Lowess Duncan book. Yeah, which we'll talk about her too. Those books are all about that era of books, let alone her books. Yeah, they were all about suspense, who done it? All of that stuff because they were meant for even younger audiences than these movies. Well yeah, surrounding I mean it's it is one of those both an author that was really good at doing the teen horror that didn't have a lot of deaths in it, just more so mystery thrillers. Well because they were for young adults. Yeah yeah, and then aiming this right towards the end, I mean yeah, it just all works out. So our director on the film is Jim Gillespie. He gets his start in nineteen ninety two, with Encounters, cardiac arrests in nineteen ninety four, Shooting Gallery ninety five, Ghostbusters of each Fendley in ninety five, what he does the Queen Mother Love video in ninety six, Made in Heaven video for Queen in ninety seven. Then in ninety seven he also does I Know What You Did. Last summer two thousand and two he does the less lesser loved stallone Thrilled ice You.

27:01 I kind of like icy. I love the opening with that fucking murder, with that nail gun. That is vicious, and it's I eye ye Cu because it's very cless. I think it's called dtox is the other title for it. That's not a bad title, Yeah, take Detoxact. But I've always had a soft spot for Icey. See was fun. The last time I watched ICU, I was literally in bed board, probably five years ago, and my Roque who advertised me to watch it with ads on some street random streaming service, and I did, and when it was over, I was like, that was pretty solid. I mean, it's basically a white out with Kate Beckinsale or in the early twenty tens ripped it off because that's basically what it is. It's a really good point. So that he does The Legacy two thousand and two, Venom in two thousand and five, oh and then Billionaire Ransom in twenty sixteen, and that is the last on his directing resume. Moving down to our writer, as Enrique mentioned, we have Lois Duncan. She was a writer and journalist who started in nineteen fifty eight with Love Song for Joyce.

27:58 She then writes A Game of Danger sixty two. Books are movies, These are books. I got her movie seven. I'm sorry, I just want to make sure I was ta okay. Yeah. Her novel A Game of Danger sixty two, Point of Violence, Ransom, Hotel for Dogs in seventy one. Then I Know what you did last summer in nineteen seventy three. Wow, that was that old? That old. When the bow breaks, Yeah, when the Bow breaks in seventy three, Killing mister Griffin in seventy eight, Daughters of Even seventy nine. Nineteen ninety two, she writes a nonfiction piece called who Killed My Daughter? Because tragically in the early nineties her daughter was found murdered. They still never were able to solve that she was shot. Yeah, that was a massive thing because she was considered one of the masters of the who killed so and so Yeah books, Yeah, and then all of a sudden to be a victim of that kind of crime. It's very terrified.

28:42 Notoriously wrote one more of those books after that event and then never wrote anything like that again. I don't blame her. So then, going to her movie resume, she has Summer of Fear in nineteen seventy eight, the Linda Blair Wes Craven film, Uh Killing Mister Griffin in nineteen ninety seven, I Know what you did last summer in ninety seven, I've been waiting for you in nineteen ninety eight. I still know what you did last summer? Because she gets credit for characters Don't Look behind You in ninety nine, Held for Ransom in two thousand, Always Know what you did last Summer in two thousand and six. Hold On, hold On, I knew it. It's important, Hotel for Dogs in two thousand and nine, and then Down a Dark Hall in twenty eighteen is her last credit. She is a writer that I cannot recommend enough for her young adult novels. Some of those are fantastic. One of my favorites is uh.

29:24 Oh god, what is that? I think it's called thrilling Thrilled to kill? I think is the title of it. That's when I read in high school that was really good. Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? Moving on down to our other writer, we have Kevin Williamson. Of course, he gets his fame in nineteen ninety six with Scream I Know What You Did Last Summer? In ninety seven is the writer, Scream two is the writer in ninety seven is one Well, the faculty in ninety eight, Teach m mis Tingle in ninety nine. He's the director on Teach mis Tingle as well. He writes for Scream three in two thousand, Dawson's Creak in two thousand, Cursed in two thousand and five with the first film Scream four.

30:13 He has characters in twenty eleven, Stalker in twenty fourteen, the following TV series in twenty thirteen, The Vampire Diaries in two thousand and nine, Screen TV series in twenty fifteen, and the Scream six and twenty twenty three. Well, of course, yeah yeah. And then moving down to our cinematographer, we have Denise Crossan gets to start in nineteen eighty nine, with Melancholia, Silent Scream in nineteen ninety A, Murder Equality in ninety one, Blue Ice in nineteen ninety two, The Real McCoy ninety three. You've ever seen the real McCoy? Val Kilmer and it's Val Kilmer and I want to say, oh my god, I can picture her face, Vicky Vale from Batman, Kim Basinger. I have not seen that one. Kim Basinger is a professional thief and she has retired, and these guys kidnap her son because they wanted to do one more heist for her. Huh, it's really good.

30:58 That sounds pretty good. But you mentioned Blue Ice by the way with Chila, Yeah, that's the one with Jamie Lee Curtis, right. I think so yeahere's that Blue Steel. No, that's blue Steel. I don't know the Blue Ice I think is a I think, don't quote me, and it may not be the same movie with Vinegar Center put out a Blue Ice. That might be the same movie, which is like a sexy thriller. I want to see. You heard Dave quote him? Do not quote me? No, stre Damis in nineteen ninety four. He shoots Killer Tongue in nineteen eighty six, then does I know what you did last summer? In ninety seven Kill Her Tongue? And other one of those movies in all those boxes we just watched. Rumpel Stiltson Tongue was always passed. Still going to ever seen it? I have not me neither. I'd be in, I'd be down incognito in ninety seven. Also shoots The Clandeston Marriage in ninety eight, The Hole in two thousand and one. Have you ever seen The Hole with thora Birch, I don't know that. I have a very very fucked up psychological thriller where her and her friends are in college and they they find this bunker and they make that their party spot, and then one day they find out they're all locked inside the bunker and they can't get out. Really, it is fucking it's out there.

31:59 Yes, that sounds good. It's intense, well, by the way. Blue Ice from nineteen ninety two is a film with Michael Kine, Oh, Michael Kin and. Shan Young Oh Shan Yong. Okay, yeah, So a former British Secret Service agent falls for an American woman and becomes Entangled in a Web of Espiona. I don't think that's the same movie. I do not think so anyway. So then Agent Cody Banks in two thousand. And three, Now we're cooking with gas. Agent Cody Banks two, The London Assignment in two thousand and four. All right, that he does Pink Panther two in two thousand and nine, Outlander TV series twenty fourteen, Urban hym in twenty fifteen, The Bastard Executioner in twenty fifteen, shoots Billionaire Ransom, one of the director's last film in twenty sixteen, shoots Into the bad Lands for AMC in twenty eighteen, Asher in eighteen, Doctor Hugh in twenty eighteen, Pray for the Devil in twenty twenty two, and most recently completed shooting on The Rig in twenty twenty three.

32:48 I've not heard of The Rig. I believe that's a Netflix original. Okay, So moving down to our IMB synopsis real quick, Yes, sir. Totally off topic. Did you watch the Platform when I told you to watch an on Netflix? No? Because I just got my Netflix back so it's in my watch list again and I want to watch it really badly. Are you aware you're not. Uh uh. Sequel drops in October. No shit? Yeah, oh okay, yeah. If anybody has not seen the Spanish film The Platform, you should and sequel drops in October anyway, So. I'm synopsis says four young friends bound by tragic accident are reunited when they find themselves being stocked by a hook wheeling maniac and their small seaside town is that. There is no fat on that that is done though. My synopsis, Oh boy, a tragic accident, tragic accidental hit and run comes back to haunt fourteen's a year later when a hook wheeling psychopath begins to stalk them.

33:37 They're the same picture. I mean, I took out the seaside town. Yeah, which honestly is the best part is it really tells you what it's like. You know me, I'm a sucker for seaside town. So that's probably why I love this movie. What are your top twenty seven seaside town movies? Twenty seven? Huh No, what's one you like? Storm of the Century by far Oh yeah, that's a I mean, it's it's it's kind of an easygoat because you and I talked about this, but oh fuck, I'm blaking on the title, what's Flannagan's vampire story? Well, if that's a series not a film. Yeah, but Night Mass thank you. Yeah. Storm of the Century is too. You're right, you suck so. Our caest is Jennifer Love Hewitt, who plays Julie James in this. She gets to start in nineteen eighty nine with kids Incorporated, then goes on to be in Munchie in nineteen ninety two.

34:24 Jim Minorski can say he discovered her, yes, he can, She denies that was back when she went by love Hewitt. Yeah, her first name was love back, then. Shaky Ground in nineteen ninety two, Little Miss Millions in ninety three, which is the poster he shows in Papatopoulos. Well, and Little Miss Millions and Munchie were both directed. Yeah, Jim min Minorski sister Act two back in the Habit in ninety three, then Nails Party of five in nineteen ninety five, appears in House Arrest in ninety ninety six. I Know what you did last Summer in ninety six. Wow. Wo House Wrest was one year before that. Yeah, she looks so much younger. Well, I mean, David, Yes, I want you to take take a second. Okay, I'm gonna explain P. Two. Oh my god. See this is why no one takes the time too, is because you're such a brad about it.

35:05 Boy Meets World in nineteen ninety eight, Can't Hardly Wait in nineteen ninety eight, smash Mouth, Can't Get enough of You Baby Video in ninety eight, I Still Know What You Did Last Summer in ninety eight, Hercules, The Adventure of Tom Thumb and Thumb, Ballina, Heartbreakers, Hunchback of Notre Dame, two, Family Guy in two thousand and two, The Tuxedo American Dreams, Garfield The Movie in two thousand and four, The Truth About Love in two thousand and five, Ghost Whisper in two thousand and five, Garfield A Tail, Two Kiddies in two thousand and six, Hey If It works, Traffic Thunder in two thousand and eight, which I don't remember her. In Shoot, I'm not sure I remember. Maybe she was in one of the trailers in More with a casting or like when they do the when they go to the premieres and stuff they showed the footage. Maybe I don't know. The client list in twenty ten, Lawn Order SVU twenty ten Hot in Cleveland twenty eleven, the Client List TV series in twenty twelve, and most recently, she's been on nine to one to one on in twenty eighteen. Oh okay, nice, Sarah Michelle gellar next to Our Castle is to pays Hell and Schiber's in this. She was in Burger King commercials in nineteen eighty two as a ky I.

35:58 Just saw that in the theater. Yeah, I like commercials. Have you seen any of them? No, it's her, Leah Thompson, Sarah Michelle Geller. God, who else is it? Uh? God, there's another one I can't think of, but like all three, four five of them are on YouTube. And Sarah Michelle Geller was in the Sarah Michelle Geller. Yeah crazy right, fuck you over the Brooklyn Bridge in nineteen eighty four, High Stakes in eighty nine, Swans Crossing in ninety two, appears on All My Children in ninety three, Then Does I Know What You Did Last Summer in ninety seven, gets on Buffy the Vampire Slayer in ninety seven, Scream two in ninety seven, Small Soldiers in nineteen ninety eight, King of the Hill in ninety eight, She's All That in ninety nine, Simply Irresistible ninety nine, Cruel Intentions, Angel Sex and the City. Harvard Man does Scooby Doo in two thousand and two, Scooby Doo two in two thousand and four, The Grudge, Robot Chicken, The Return Southland Tails The Grudge two in two thousand and six, TMNT in two thousand and seven. Veronicas decides to die in two thousand and nine, which I love that title.

36:51 That's a good title. Possession in two thousand and nine, The Crazy Ones twenty thirteen, Cruel Intentions in twenty sixteen, Masters of the Universe, Revelation in twenty twenty one. Most recently was in Clerk's three in twenty twenty two. Oh wow, she has had its appearances herself. It's pretty cute. Oh okay. And then wrapping us up is a Freddy Prince junior who plays Ray Bronson in this But when I say wrapping this up, there's so many names in this movie. We'll cover a little bit more. Believe it or not, every single person in this film had a name. It's crazy. Family Matters in nineteen ninety five, gets his start House of Yes in ninety seven. I mean, I do love me some house of Yes. That is such an that might to the. Show because that's a that's one that needs. To be Oh, I'm willingly, but that is what nobody's ready for. Nope, no, they're not even vaguely ready for it.

37:31 Detention The Seeds of Johnson High in ninety seven. I Know what you did last summer in ninety seven, Sparkler, I still know what you did last summer. She's all that wing commander down to you in two thousand, Boys and Girls in two thousand, Head Over Heels, Summer Catch Fraser, Scooby Doo Friends, Scooby Doo two, Boston Legal in two thousand and four, the short lived show Freddy in two thousand and five, Yeah, Yeah, his own Chew for a bit, George Lopez Show in two thousand and six, The Reef, Happily Never After, Brooklyn Rules, Mass Effect, Bones, Star Wars, Rebels, Punky Brewster, and also appeared in Clerk's Three in twenty twenty two, Fair enough the O. They're both in the same scene. Oh, it was like, I know you did last summer Reunion. It totally was so Also appearing in the cast, we have Anne Hayes, who plays Melissa Egan. Ryan Felippe plays Barry Cox. We have Muse Watson who plays Ben Willis and the Fisherman, and we also have Johnny Gilecki who plays Max.

38:19 Oh. Yeah, from a big bank from Roseanne Chris's vacation. I mean, there's a bunch of a bunch of sids. Luck he's been in. So I know what you did last summer. Unfortunately at this time of recording is not streaming anywhere. But you can't easily rent it in any place you get your videos from. Yeah, anywhere you pay to watch a film, you can pay to watch it. So what was your first time watching I know what you did last summer? Gosh I had I had a sister was nine years older than me. Yeah, she had to see it, so because what it came out in what ninety eight? Seven ninety seven, So I was eleven years old, So I'm sure I wanted to watch it, but I garan damn t you. My sister, being eighteen or nineteen at that time, was the one who went to Blockbuster Video and rented that film because you had to if you were a teenager.

39:07 I mean it was the zeitgeist. Yeah, so I remember watching it on tape and thinking it was pretty spooky, you know, and violent, and also even as a young man, being very fascinated by the what are you waiting? I have some fun trivia about that scene. Well good, oh my god. But I remembered liking it. It was it was definitely I was already into horror movies because it got into horror movies way too young. Yeah, so I always liked it. I liked Scream more as a young man, I did. And then I remember catching it on HBO a lot, okay, very early, and it's released, so I probably watched it on HBO, you know a few dozen now you've done a few dozen, maybe a dozen times. And then I also remember one time renting it for a sleepover.

39:54 Oh hell yeah. So that's my memory because being eleven twelve years old, when when you have Scream and I know what you did last summer out, yeah, that kind of started to replace the mindset of everything being Freddie and Jason. Yeah, so you would go to slumber parties and people be like, I brought I know what you did last summer. I brought I still know what you did last summer, And that was becoming a bigger write of passage to watch. And then it was kind of the old school heads like me who would be like, I brought night right on the Street three and they'd be like what, and I'd like, you'll see so or worse, I brought Sleepway Camp. There you go. But I remember the one thing that I remember about the Fisherman in particular is that he actually was on the Boogeyman compilation back in the day.

40:37 Oh I remember that, Yeah, So he became he became a staple that my first time watching it, though I was five years old in the movie came out, so I did not see it in theaters, nor did I probably see it on while. A nerdy five year old. I remember this premiered on TNT and it was AIG deal. Yeah, And that was at the. Time that I was allowed to watch stuff on TV, even if it was technically R rated. Well yeah, because they cut out all the good s. They cut all the good stuff. So I remember watching this as it premiered, and actually my mom watched it with me, and the Fourth of July sequence with Sarah Michelle Geller's character gave me nightmares because I still remember the nightmare of like just wandering around the dock, and the fishermen would like pop out of places like that's that's that's the shit that I dealt with in my dreams.

41:22 So Dave's dreams were like sitting on the dock of the bay. But I found it. I found it scary, really good. And then about five six years ago, you and I on a whim actually now I think it was twenty twenty on a whim just decided to do One and two back to back. Yeah, and I remembered I always liked the movie. I think I owned it on VHS. I may even had the Triple I had the Triple Feature DVD because I had always know for a while. But then it was one of those movies that, like, I'd seen it so many times that I kind of forgot how good it was. And then when you and I revisited One and Two back to back, I was just like, God, damn, this is a really fun slasher thriller from the nineties. Yeah, no, I mean it solid, it really is, and it's delightfully dated. Yeah, just like just like all of those from that era, just like the faculties, delightfully dated, just like all the screen movies are delightfully dated.

42:13 So and the rewatch value is there because the one thing I do remember about the TNCU premiere that they did all the time was when it premiered, it would have an encore immediately after. Oh yeah yeah, so watching it twice that night. So are you ready to get into I know what you did last summer? Sure? Forty one minutes in, let's do it. Let's do it. So we open with a beautiful shot of the oceans of the town of Southport, whilst Typo Negatives cover of Summer Breeze serenades us. Remember when we said delightfully, delightfully dated. There you go. So we are going over the waters and that's when we see a young man sitting on the edge of a cliff and he's flipping around a pendant and we can see the guy's distraught. He does not look like he's in the best spirits. I guess he's say fun, He's fine? Is that sure?

42:54 He's fine. He's looking down at the water and you know, he just is flipping this pending around and that's when we see some fireworks go off. And now we're at the fourth of July Southport Festival. Damn right, and. We're on a seaside town and that's when we cut to a beauty pageant where we meet Helen Shivers, who was played by Sarah Michelle Geller. And that's when we also meet her friends Julie, Barry and Ray as she's on stage and they're watching her from this balcony as she's being crowned as the Miss Salmon of the are not Miss Samon I'm going back to even I was. I was about to say she's being grabbed with the beauty pageant of of their of their festival. And that's when Max and all the rest of the crew or excuse me not Max, Barry, Helen, Julie all go to the parade and they're enjoying themselves. We meet Max played by Johnny Gilecki, and he tries to give Julia a drink and Barry is kind of drunk at this point.

43:38 He's not having it, so he gets into a little bit of a fight. I wouldn't call him drunk, I would call him charming charming. Okay, my apologies, he was toast charming. Yes, yeah. So they decide that they're going to go to the to the beach and they're going to continue their party there, and we cut to the beach and they're telling urban legends about the Man with the Hook, except they're all getting it. Wrong, or they're all getting it right, different variations of the Man with the Hook. Yeah, everybody's correcting each other. And so finally the two begin to separate as Helen and Barry start to make it on the beach, Ray and Julie go for a walk and Julie gets fake spooped out by Ray as he comes up on her, and that's when they get new discussion about how she's supposed to going to college in Boston and he's like, well, you could come to New York with me. So they're they're together, but they're getting ready to separate because of college. Heartbreaking, heartbreaking Indeed, do You Even? Movie will be right back, Welcome back to Do You Even?

44:35 Movie? So that's when they eventually decide to leave the beach, and that's when Julie's in the car with Barry, who is just being a complete asshole. She's put off by his drunken behavior. He jacks the radio volume up and then goes out of the sunroof of the car where he is just hooting and hollering, drops the bottle of liquor into the car, which spills into the car, and as they're trying to figure out what to do the bottle, Ray accidentally plows into somebody that's on the road. Yeah, somebody walking on the side of the road. Yeah, dressed all in black. Dressed all in black. So Berry's covered in blood and they're freaking out and he's like, it's not my blood. And that's when they realize they hit something. They don't realize they hit somebody yet, so they grab flashlights. They go along the road. That's when they find the body. Well, well, first she finds the boot. Finds the boot. Yeah, I love that to say, that's the reveal. Here's probably an animal or something. She picks up a boot and she's like that, dear's wearing boots now. And one thing worth mentioning this film is the birth of the trope that became really popular, whether you were making a silly horror movie or you were making fun of horror movies. Yeah, of a movie opening with teenagers doing something awful, yes, and then promising it to be a secret, which became very common.

45:44 In one film, one of my favorite, there's so many bits in the original Scary Movie that they steal from my note you did, like, yeah. One of my favorites though, is the sun roof because he starts getting hit by birds, like there's things. They're hitting him as they're driving. Like, if you haven't seen Scary Movie in a while, it's absolutely where the ret was. So they find the boot. Then they find the body and that's when they start freaking out because it's Barry's car. He's clearly drunk and they're gonna know right away the car smells like alcohol, and Julie's like, you know, we got to call the cops. Berry He's like, we can't do it, Like we're gonna go down for this, like we killed somebody. So that's when they decide that they are going to dump the body. They're going to dump the body on the docks. They're never gonna speak of this again. So they go to the docks. They're getting ready to dump the body and they're arguing about who's gonna push it in. Finally Helen's like, god, damn it, I'll do it. So she bends down and that's when the guy comes back alive, grabs at her and grabs her crown before they push him in the water.

46:34 So now he's got her crown from the pageant. Yes, and a great first scare yes from the film, other than the scare of hitting the hidden person. Yeah. So Barry decides to jump back in. He swims down to the bottom and he goes to get the crown from him. As he pulls it away from the guy, because the guy's grip is still on, his eyes come open. He looks at him, but Barry quickly resurfaces and that's when he's like, you know, hey, we're never talking about this again. We're taking this to our grave. Everybody's in agreement with it, except for Julie. And that's when he he fucking grabs her, puts her against the car, and he's like, no, no, tell me that you are agreeing me with me on this, and Julie says, okay, we'll never speak of this again. I wish she had been like, tell me, Daria called her Daria. That's when they go to leave the dock and the camera zooms in and we see the pendant that the guy was twirling earlier is on the dock.

47:19 And that is the beginning of many mysteries and many hints, many red herring red he indeed. So a year later, Julie's in college, it's summer again, and we find out Julie is being driven back home by her roommate to Southport for the summer, and she's not thrilled about it because she is clearly just not looking in the best way. And her mom picks us up right away because she gets home to her mom and her mom's like, are you on drugs? Like, I just wanted to throw that out just to see your reaction. Yeah, she looks more grizzled than you should from college, baby, Yeah, just a lot, you know. I mean, who knows, maybe she's popping riddling like their chicklets. Yeah, but she definitely one of the things I really appreciated on this most recent viewing, Yeah, was you can see how much.

48:04 The weight of that secret messes with all of them, but. Especially her, Like well, but you're right though, it shows how it weighs on all of them in different ways, because like Sarah Michelle Geller's character like leans harder into being super shiny and perky and bubbly as to where Jennifer Love Hewitt's character is definitely more like what you might expect. Yeah, her eyes have bags under them. Yeah, her hair is always kind of a mess. She doesn't really care about her appearance now. And she also hasn't been keeping in touch with any of them any well, or even her own mother. Yeah, because her mother seems, you know, excited to find out what's been going on. And something I heard on this you that never heard before. Did her dad die while she was away and she never came back That I don't recall, because she says, your dad would be turning over his grave if he could see you now.

48:51 I think her father passed away a while ago. Yeah, So her mom is like, you know, you know, I just worry about you, and you know, I'm glad you're home. And that's when Julie goes into a room, into her bedroom, and she sees that there's a letter on her desk that's written to her, and she's like, you know who sent this? And she's like, oh, it just came to the mail And that's when she opens it up to see a note written in black that says, I know what you did last summer? Who farted? I couldn't resist. If you ever heard a guest you've. Heard Nick Swarson's about about who Farted? No, he talks about it's in one of its It's one of his original stand up routines, which is I think it's called Seriously Who Farted? And he talks about how he wants to go to a sporting event where they have the T shirt gun and he's like like, go to the crowd, be like who wants a T shirt? And everybody's like ah, and he's like nope, and then just blows his frame out.

49:36 But before he says he goes who farted? She's just making the crowd go, hey, guys, guys, don't go over there. He like, you said it farted, like it might be bad. Oh my god, that's funny. That original stand up, it's really good. So she gets the note and the next day, Julie goes to visit Shivers Store trying to get Helen's New York number from her sister Elsa. And one thing I forgot to mention in the original party of the Fourth of July party a year ago, she runs into l Elsa, who was played by Bridget Wilson, and you can tell that her and her sister don't get along super well, so. You think yeah, just a little bit. Just there is a lot of tension between them that never lessens up. Well, I mean it does when one of them dies. Spoilers. Oh, I'm so sorry. This almost thirty year old film that's a horror slasher movie does have some people dying.

50:21 It it does, it doesn't. Where's the button? Spoiler alert. So she goes to Shiver's store and she's like, you know, Elise, I need Helen's New York number. And she's like, Helen's New York number and she's like, yeah, you know, I need a contactor. She's like, well, Helen's not New York. And that's when we find out that Helen went to New York briefly, it didn't work out, and now she's back working at the store. Yes, and she's clearly not the girl she was. No, she's beaten down by life. And smoking cigarettes immensely. Well, which luckily, I mean at least she looked cool. She did look cool. So that's when Julie shows the note to Helen, and Helen's like, you know, well, who could this be? Who could know? And that's when they also are asking if Barry has seen it yet. So they go to visit Barry at his parents' house, revealing that he and Helen have broken up. So over a year's time, he and Helen had broken up, and Barry does not believe it. He's like, you know, this is some bullshit, Like somebody's fucking with us. Wait a minute, maybe it's Max. Because one thing I forgot to mention too is when they initially hit the body, Max is actually driving down that same road and they have to go hide like one of like Barry's puking in the grass and Max sees that there's something going on.

51:24 Yeah, he just suspects something, but he's he's not he's an outsider in the group, so he's used to being kind of pushed. When I pushed away. So that's when they decide that they're gonna go visit Max at his job, but Barry wastes no time. Finds Max at the at the dock and he's like, hey, can I talk to you for a second, and then just goes in the back and threatens him with a hook and he's like, you know, if you tell anybody, I'll fucking kill you. Yeah he works at this fishery, Yeah, and yeah, he pulls a hook, right off of a big block of ice, and Basis says, I will kill you if you ever talked to us again, and I mean it, yeah. And that Ryan Felippe anger fit that we can only. Talk about my god, No, like I wonder how his corneas we're doing after yelling that night. I've made that joke where it's like he just he lashes out this entire film to where it's like, all right, you know, I'll take a coke steps you, okay, No, no, tell us as.

52:09 Good as the guy in disturbing behavior. You my god, you go to the problem with me? No? Why not? I said, no, Oh, disturbing behavior is so good. Hey, that might be good for a month. We're playing ooh that might be actually yeah, you right. So they leave the dock and as they're leaving the dock, they run into Ray, who is now also taken up as a fisherman at the dock too. So he's back in town as well, and he's working. He's got his own boat. And that's when we cut back to Max, who is in the back. He's preparing ice for the fish. He puts his hook on the ice, goes in starts dropping some crabs, in the water, comes back out and his hook's gone, and he doesn't see this, only the viewers do. And as he's leaning over this table, all of a sudden, a fisherman comes out, hooks him under the jaw, pulls him across the table, leaving a huge streak of blood.

52:53 And for those who have never seen this film, which you should see it or have seen it, the killer is in a full body fisherman, well like a raincoat of fisherman, where yeah, that is very iconic. And and honestly, when it comes to that era of slasher movie, they did a pretty good job of having it be something original, something we wouldn't expect. Both the cloak, the fact that there's no face, but there's no mask, no mask, it's just kind of obscure. And the hook hook It sells it all everything, because. You know, otherwise we've got like scream, he's wearing a Halloween mask, he's got a knife, but we got the fishermen from I Know what you did last summer, or as I call him, I know what you did last summer.

53:36 I'm like, oh god, I know he did less summers. In the back of the car, He's gonna kill you. God, oh God, watch out for die Hard. I hope they don't catch die Hard and shoot him. So that week got to Barry, who is going to the gym and he's going to work out, and he's getting ready to get dressed and leave, and hears from in the locker room. So he returns from the shower and he finds a polaroid of his car because keep in mind his car was used in the accident, and again on the back of it it says I know This photograph says I know written on the back, and so he goes back to his locker and he finds his jackets missing, which means it's car keys are missing. So he goes out to the front to the desk and he's like, hey, has anybody been in here? And the guy's like, now, just you and me. But then all of a sudden, we hear a car start. He races up front to see somebody's in his car stealing it.

54:17 He runs after the car until the car gets to the end of the dock and then decides to stop, turns its headlights on and pursues right after him. Yeah, and this is one of the first big menacing. Chase sequences yeah. So he ends up getting cornered at him and he gets hit by the car as it drives forward, pushing him right through a building that ends up crashing, and that's when the figure gets out of the car and his rainslicker approaches him, shows off his hook. Barry screams, and then the scene cuts and we are now what happened. We're now at the hospital as Julia arrives along with Ray and Helen at the same time, and Barry tells them he couldn't see the face, and Julie's convinced that he was trying to kill him and they have to go to the police, and Barry is like, no, man, he wasn't trying to kill me. He's just trying to scare me. Yeah, And that's when Ray makes a joke about you, well, you know, it's just a fishing village.

55:01 There shouldn't be too many slickers to figure out. And that's when Barry's like, well, you know, buddy, you have one that we've all seen too. Yeah, So that's when they start to question it's Ray. Barry questions Ray having one, and Julie tries to convince them to go to the police, but Barry still against it, so Julie says they should try to reach out to the people that knew David Egan. And David Egan is the guy that they hit with their car that his body was found later, the. Guy they murdered, the guy they murd merds, they murds. I'm the one who's supposed to be tired, not you. So they need to find out who knew David Egan, and that's when Julian Helen go to find Egan's ken via the local records on the internet, and they find out that Egan was also unfortunately responsible for the death of his fiance. But they find out that he had a sister, Missy, who still lives in the area in the Sticks.

55:45 So they drive out there and that's where we get to meet a very very like broken, sad and hand yes, and she kills it in this small role. She really makes it matter a lot. So they're sneaking around her house and that's when Missy hus An Hayes catches them and they're like, you know, oh, well our car broke down, you know, we need to use a phone. So she invites them in and Julie this whole time is kind of playing with her, trying to get some details from her, and that's when Missy tells her about David. She tells her about Susie and basically, you can, like Hendrick said, like she's just astraw. There's trauma all throughout this film, like you played out well, and the. Way she walks, the way Anne Hash's character moves. It's also a stark reality because if you watch the film the way I think you're supposed to, you're supposed to be on the side of the teenagers to some extent, Like even with the killing of the fishermen, it wasn't on purpose. No, they were only being moderately reckless. Yeah, would you say that's a first statement because because Jennifer love Hewitt was the character driving right, No.

56:49 Ray was driving for Freddy's driving and buries in the back right. Well. But I mean, so my point is the drunkest people are not driving driving no, no, so they were being modestly irresponsible. The person on the side of the road was wearing all black in the middle of the night, on the side of a highway. Yep. So you I think are supposed to feel like bad for them. Yeah, because it's like they're right. This would ruin the beginning of all of their lives, and they all have the cruel irony of a slasher movie. Their whole lives ahead of them them. So it is that hits you hard. But Anne Hash's character is that moment where you realize, like, it's not about these fucking prissy teenagers.

57:31 They're not the only ones so so haunted by what they did. They caused real harm and real damage in real life. It's not a game. It's not pretend they really hurt somebody. Yeah, somebody very deeply, not just the person they killed, because there's also a reference, as you're gonna get to say. But Anne Hash's character even mentions like, oh, mom lives in a nursing home. She didn't take it well when you. Because Missy lives alone. Yeah, she's a giant house to herself and you can tell, like and she even says she doesn't get many visits. Yeah, And that's my point is like it becomes clear that the reason she's a loner is because of this deep trauma that's hit her and her family. Yeah. And at the epicenter are those four good looking teenagers that we're all so excited to root for yep. But this is kind of a moment where the reality kind of sets in, uh that they're not the only ones traumatized, they're not the only ones suffering.

58:23 Yeah. And Missy also tells them that one of David's friends named Billy Blue, did come to visit her to pay his respects a while back, but she only saw him the one time and that's the only name she knows him by. So they quickly leave because Julie's just overcome with the motion being in his house and they're sitting in their car smoking and talking, and that's when Missy comes up gives them a scare because she's like, hey, you forgot your cigarettes? Yeah, because she thinks they're waiting for triple. A triple a Yeah. So that's when they make their way back to town, and we see Helen and Julie kind of get into a little bit because Julie is she's just so distraught and Helen's like, you know, we just need to forget about this and move on and stuffing to worry about, and she's like, well, it's easy for you to say. So they up up dropping Helen off at her house. Helen goes inside to her house. And as she gets in her house, you know, she talks to her dad for a little bit, goes in the kitchen, gets a drink, and then the killer enters her house. How rude, How rude. Indeed, So we see the fishermen right in the doorway of her house.

59:13 This is the beginning of us starting to understand the mystery. M Hm, the killer. It's not a vampire. It's not a vampire because he can enter without being invited, without being invited, this man vampire fishermen. Mmm. I like that. Well, I mean, I guess there's some good fishing at night. I mean, you could just dive in. You don't need to breathe. So there's something wrong with the dead. Fuck you, fuck with me. Fuck with me, Dave. If you want to just turn the show to the Ruppelstiltskin. God, if we ever do an episode on that show, I don't know.

59:54 Do you even? Movie will be right back, welcome back to do you even? Movie? So the killer is inside her house, so we see her making her way around the house. She goes towards the stairs. We see the fisherman's at the top of the stairs. She has no idea he's in the house and they kind of play this up beautifully with the suspense not Kayda, they totally do. Because her dad's watching TV. You kind of think her dad might get it a little. Bit, you know, like they constantly are misdirecting you. It's one of the things that makes the movie so effective. So now the killer's in her room, hiding in her closet. She goes into her room and that's when she's brushing her hair, and her sister Elsa spooks her and she's like, my god, you know your hair. You're so pathetic. And she's like, hey, we have inventory tomorrow. I needs it at the store at ten and Helen's like, well, I'm part of the parade tomorrow for the fourth July Festival.

1:00:48 I have to be on the float, so I can't do it. And that's what she calls her pathetic again, and she leaves. So then Helen gets ready for bed, she goes to sleep. The killer's still in the closet. So the next morning we wake up and we see that Helen's hair has been cut through the night. Which kind of made me laugh because she like sits up freaking out. It's like a my hair's been cut into a much more modern style. And then on her bedroom mirror written in red soon. Which honestly is the best I recommend any time you're gonna write anything on anyone's door mirror window should be soon. That that is good. So she calls Julie, who races to her house, but on the drive, Julie hears something scratching around in her trunk, so she pulls off the side of the road, opening the trunk, and that's when we see the body of Max covered in crabs crawling around him out of him, and we mean literal crab, literal crab VD. So Max has crabs on him and he's dead in the trunk, and that's when she decides to just run from the car to Helen's house because she's close.

1:01:44 And it's heinous. He's slimy, disgusting. So she finds Barry with Helen and they return to her car to find it empty now and that's when Julie freaks out, and you know, she's like, you know, he's waiting for us. We don't know what's gonna happen next. He's after us, and that's when we get the infamous scream to the sky. What are you waiting for Well, but I want to say something. Yeah, you made a good point. Yeah, I don't know about the scene with the dead body because it's and yeah, it could just be a plot hole. Yeah, but in the film, literally she opens up her trunk and it is full to the brim, like withy crabs ice his body, but it's slimy because you know he's from the water or whatever. And then when she opens it again, not only is he not there, not only are all the crabs not there, and and that would have been in the span of ten minutes. Yeah, but it's dry. I'm assuming it doesn't smell or else her friends would be like, it does smell like a seafood restaurant in here. Pardon me, wondered if maybe that was her guilt manifesting.

1:02:47 It's a good point to make, honestly, because you. Even said, like, well, how would she know that so and so died? It's like, well, maybe she was just afraid of the threats that were being made to him. Because Ryan Felipe's character, uh Barry Barry is a real wild card. He scares the ship out of her, and she believes he would kill to protect his reputation, So part of me wonders if and and the fact that she saw him in Barry's coat, that all makes me think that maybe she had this like subconscious fear that Barry was gonna start killing people. And Barry had beat the crap out of that guy before, he had beat him up at the in the first fucking scene of the movie, he beats up on him. It's it's a really good point. The only the only issue I have with it is the scratching in the back well.

1:03:31 But I mean, if you get if you canna hallucinate a dead look, bro, you can. You may be able to see a hole full coat. You're not gonna hallucinate his sound, especially not a little scritchy scratch, scritchgy scratch, which was a cool callback to the hook to Hook. Yeah, I did notice that. Yeah. So they returned to Helen's house when they find Ray arriving, who gets pushed by Barry and he's convinced it's Ray like he And when I say pushed, he gets fucking punched out. Yeah, he he socks him, and it's it's so aggressive and out of nowhere. It's hero It's pretty funny. And that Freddy Prinz has like a foot on him, so he like gets he has to jump up to like just clean his clock.

1:04:11 Absolutely, So Julie tells them that they have to stick together, and they don't. They can't be against each other now because that's what he wants. And that's when she's convinced that they got to find this Billy Blue guy. So they go to check the yearbook that Missy graduated from, because he talks about the years she graduated, and that's when Julie and Helen discussed showing the book to Missy to see if she can point out somebody to point out who Billy Blue is, and Helen offers to go with Julie, but Julie tells her no, she needs to stay the parade because he may show up at the parade. And I love Helen's response, He's like, I don't want him to show up. So that's when they're convinced that, you know, that's what they gotta do. Ray of course, is like, hey, what if we just leave town and never speak of this again? That would have been my move. Yeah, what if we just leave? And that's when Julie's like, you know, we I've tried running. I'm tired of doing it.

1:04:53 We just have to face this head on. So now we cut the Fourth of July parade as we see Helen on top of the float moving through the town, but also Barry a seat at the front of the float as well, kind of keep and watch for her. And she sees a guy in the crowd that looks exactly like the killer, so Barry runs off after him, and that's when he ends up tackling a brittle old man on the dock. Well, I mean they are, for the record, the only type of old man that hangs out on docks are brittle. Brittle. Yeah, it's actually a federal law. It's osha. I just feeled every time I watch this. I feel bad for that guy because it looks like he's having a heart attack, Like, no, it's really sad. So he tackles the guy it's clearly not him, and that's when Julie returns to Missy's house. She finds Missy out back skinning animals because that's what Missy does, and she's gotten fish at this point, and back on the float, we go back to Helen, who catches side of the fisherman who is now on one of the balconies as she passes, and he just gives her a shiny hey, here's my hook as she goes by.

1:05:45 It's kind of nice, you know, to be noticed, my godness. So that's when Missy is out back with Julie and Julie explains what happened last year, that it was in an accident, and Missy says that she knows that, you know, David wasn't murdered, he committed suicide acts. And that's when she brings up a note that she got and it's the same note that Julie has, matching the handwriting, so she's like, this isn't a suicide note, this is a death threat. So David is now supposedly been killed by somebody, and now they don't think that they killed David. Actually, but that means who did they? Who could it be? Could it be any number of red herring. So that's when Julie goes to leave back to town, revealing that she note that she thinks, you know that it's not a suicide note. Missy is not convinced, and Julie talks about, you know, well, I saw a tattoo that said Susie and she's like, well, my brother didn't have a tattoo. Even more putting forth that it is not David.

1:06:37 Than Kiss, but the identity is unknown of who they believe they may have killed her. So now it's later that night. We cut to the beauty pageant where Helen sits on the stage. Because she was the winner last year, she is now as the watcher on the program, and Barry watches from the balcony, just like the beginning with all three of them. The pageant gets underway and Helen watches in horror as the first person goes up, but then looks up to see that Barry has the fisherman standing behind him. She watched in horror as the person who goes up to performance is clearly like thirty five years old. Yeah, you did point that out, so I'm not wrong, No, you're not. She starts freaking out, and you know, she runs into the crowd. The crowd's trying to stop her, you know, they're trying to make sure that she's okay. A cop comes in to intervene. But while this is happening, we see Barry just getting killed with this hook.

1:07:19 Yeah, he's getting the fuck killed out of here. He is stabbed at death, and that's when the offer is like, all right, well we'll go up and check. So he takes Helen up, tells her to hold back, and he goes up there and they don't find anything because he's clearly not looking hard enough because as they go to leave, blood is dripping off one of the crates that's up on the balcony. Hey, cops are never incompetent, not never, not irl, not in movies. That's why we're bad cops. So the officer offers to take Helen home, as she's distraught and no one believes her. Back at her house, Julie searches for more information on David Egan, going to the same website she went to last time. Back on the cop car, the officer questions Helen about the fisherman and you know, is he the one that is he us a hook to cut your hair? And she's like, no, he us scissors, you asshole. Like they're bantering back and forth and arguing for a bit, and I got to say, on this watch the cops really not being a dick.

1:08:04 Well and and for the record, these kids are most of them are just the most snotty spoiled, you know. Well the fun when they go to see Barry, when they reconnect with him, he's in a mansion on the on the water. Oh yeah, well that's why. But that's why Barry's so intense. Barry has everything to lose as to where like the other three have a lot of potential for their lives. You know, one wants to be a beauty queen, one wants to go to college and have some big job and blah blah blah blah blah. He's already there. Barry is wealthy, he's set for life. And the one thing he doesn't need is this kindshit, this kind of thing, and and and by the way, speaking of that scene where he is at the mansion, it's worth pointing out I don't think that Barrys. And you notice how how distant he is with his mother. I don't think that that's just because he's a rich asshole. I think that's because of what he the person he became after the murder. Yeah, I really do, because all of them.

1:09:09 Are off well, I think it's worth pointing out too that you I mean, you just said it, like, we see his mom and we see Julie's mom, We don't see anybody else except for Helen's dad, which we don't even talk to. Yeah, that's true. So, I mean we really don't see much of the parental life except for hell except for Julie being like Julie's mom being like, you know, you never come around anymore and been worried about you. We don't really talk to any of the other parents. Yeah, it's true. It, which is also a trope of a lot of these uh these teen screams slasher movies, is less parents. And I also feel like there was mentioned that Helen's mom ran off. That does sound no, it does sound right, Yeah, So I mean it's definitely the home might explained where our older sister is the queen bitch. Yeah, that's like daddy put me in charge of the store. Yeap, that would totally make sense. So that is when they decide that they have to take a detour around the down an alley because as the cops driving through the street, one of the streets are blocked off. So he's like, okay, we got get on this alley and they see a guy struggling with this vehicle at the end of the alley, and he just happens the in fisherman gear, but Helen doesn't see this. The cop gets out, he's like, I'll be right back, and that's when Helen sees that it's the killer too late. The cop is stabbed right in the gut right before her, and Helen's freaking out now because she's locking the back of this cop car.

1:10:16 And another reason why it's so such a great killer design. Anybody, anybody in that town is going to have a slicker. Yeah, anybody. So a cop seeing the guy in slicker, he's gonna be like, oh yeah, yeah, I'll go help this guy. Yeah. He'll be like, oh yeah, well I didn't. I mean like this before smartphones is like, I didn't listen to the radio. It's probably gonna rain. Yeah, rains all the time when you live on the ocean. So she is frantically trying to get out of the cop car. She finally kicks the window out, climbs through it, and the killer is right in pursuit behind her back. Julie finds out that Susie's fiancea or Susie David's fiance is survived by her father. Benjamin willis a local fisherman in Southport. Which is so questionable because how many people are fishermen in this town? Crazy?

1:10:56 No, more than nearly all of them. So hell A racist to Shiver's store as she's running through town and she gets help from Elsa, which this was a part that you and I talked about where it's just like, why is it that so many people in horror films when people are panicking? Oh yeah, yeah, in horror movies, it's like the moment you're pounding at a door, please open up, somebody's gonna kill me, all of a sudden, you like forget how to understand human emotions or that there's an urgency. Yeah, you just like go like, oh, just let me get my key and open up this fanto. It's like I made the joke. It's like, is this a prank? We've been fourth of July to death tonight? That killed me? I like how You're like, You're like, I got a good one. I'm gonna remember for the show. Yep, dick, yep. So for so Elsa Finally, Elsa finally lets her in and she's like, you know, lock the back door, lock the front door, like somebody something's going on, And she's like, we know what's going on. She's like, just listen to me, damn it, go do this. So Elsa immediately goes to the back door, locks it and then is ambushed by the killer, who slices her right across the throat and we see blood splatter across the window. But she gets a scream out as Helen is trying to call the police.

1:12:00 And then we see him in the second he's carrying her with the hook dragged rip page. Yes, oh he's got Dragg's right. Oh yeah, So he's carrying her across the store and that By this point, Helen's like, okay, something's not right. So she calls to Elsa, no answer, and this is a beautiful sequence of tension and terror because we are in this department store that is mostly blocked out, like I mean, it's dimmed throughout. There's some light music playing and it's just silent. Yeah, it's super creepy. So she starts wandering around and that's when she goes towards the front and these mannequins are covered in plastic, and that's when she realizes one of the mannequins is actually the fisherman who lunches out at her. So Helen starts running through the Shiver's department store, finds a dumb waiter, and goes to the second floor, right as the fisherman also reaches the second floor, So that's when she decides that she's just going to jump out the window into a trash pile. So now she's outside.

1:12:46 Uh, you worked a retail quite a bit. Yeah. How creepy is it when it's just. You, very very creepy? Yeah? I know that. Nowadays it's become called liminal spaces. Yeah, the idea you're somewhere where lots of people are normal, but lots of people aren't there right now. Did I ever tell you the story about when I was taking trash out at one of the malls I worked when I was doing Fye. I don't think so, so I believe it was. Yeah, So it would have been. It would have been kim Wood Mall in Cincinnati, and I was taking the trash out one night and I had to go down basically two long corridors because our store was in the center and the trash was like on the other side by one of the exits, and I had to go down these two corridors and I get outside and there are three kids standing by this dumpster beating the shit out of a homeless guy.

1:13:36 Jesus Christ, and I immediately. Go back inside. I called the police, and these kids are banging on the door because they saw me. They're banging on the door because they're like, because you're I'm a snitch, I'm a witness and everything. Yeah. Well, then I start making my way back down the corridor. They're banging on every single fucking exit door as I go down this corridor, like almost tracking me back to this building. So finally I got to the mall security. I called him and he he stood around the store until I locked up and walked outside. Right as I'm leaving the parking lot, I see the kids come around the building and I'm fucking bolting. Sure. It was scary, Like I I completely it was. It was one of those situations where I had a lot of weird experiences of that mall. That was the one that I literally feared for my life at one point.

1:14:18 Kenwood is extremely close to Cincinnati. It's basically a Cincinnati. Yeah. For those who don't know Ohio, Cincinnati is one of the largest cities in the state, and therefore you get all of the funny story though, Oh you got a hand job. But the three kids ended up getting arrested that night because they were also found carrying if I remember correctly, three stilettos, and I think one I'm had a gun. I'm not mistaken. Look, I'm not trying to be like a hippie about it, but like, if they want to wear high heels, I don't see what the big deal is. You know, that's their lives. They had three knives and a gun, that's all I know. Oh, you could have taken them. That could have taken them if you hadn't lost your yellow belt.

1:15:03 If I hadn't. Ah, man, you're right, God damn yellow belt. You could have literally taken your yellow belt out but shaw, and they would have all been like, man, let's get out of here. I do remember my manager coming in the next morning and he's like, hey, why do you stick out trash that night? And I was like, go talk to Ralph, the security guard, and then Ralph was like, it has a death kid, You're all gonna die. So so Helen's outside now. And this is about the time that Julia arrives back at the location where the pageant is. It's completely empty. Everybody's gone home, and so she makes her way outside just as Helen is back outside and she is not. She has no idea where to go. Suddenly, fireworks start going off, so she follows the fireworks. She sees the parade is going again. She's going right towards the parade, and right as she turns, the fisherman grabs her, pulls her to the side, while these fireworks in the parade are calling. She gets stabbed in like in all the audience of the fireworks in the parade like. It is a really intense sequence that I cannot recommend enough.

1:15:58 But a great sequence and probably probably one of the reasons you picked it as a summer Yeah, a summer film because of the direct reference to the fourth of July. Yep, do you Even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to do You Even? Movie? So that is when we lose Helen unfortunately, and Julie returns to town, making her way to the docks. She's searching for Ray and she finds him on his boat and she tells him that she believes the killer is ben Willis, who killed Egan. Before they hit him, they hit ben Amine and Ray invites Julie on the boat so they can discuss it. And that's when Julie sees the name of his boat is Billy Blue.

1:16:42 And I want to say, sincerely, what a great twist? Yeah, because let me finish no, No, because to find out not only is the person you wronged not the person you thought, but the person you wronged was a fucking murderer themselves. Yeah, that's such a great twist for it to be like, oh, no, it was this guy who just probably murdered somebody, right, I mean definitely, Yeah, murdered somebody right before you encountered him. And that's why good. But then that also makes sense. Why was he all in black? Why was he walking on the highway? Why was he you know, why was it so secretive? And why did he never go to the police. Yeah? Well, but what I always wondered is like he must have just been festive though he was, like he was like, if I wait, if I send them I know what you did last summer in the winter, they're gonna think it was the summer before. So I'm gonna wait, you gotta minimum the following summer. There we go, the only way, only way to do it, because it's like I can't just say I know what you did last season doesn't carry.

1:17:49 He's just like sitting there work shopping at all night, like with a with a flashlight under his blanket. The one thing I will say thinking about the about the twist in regards to it, is like, yeah, he killed Egan and then got killed but then got hit by that car. It makes me think of spoiler alert if you haven't seen the film Unknown with Liam Neeson, spoiler alert. It makes me think of how weak that twist was in that film where it was revealed of what he was, and I was just like, well, the company just would have fucking killed him then, yeah, there would have been none of him solving who he is. I watched that at the dan Berry Dollar Cinema. Oh Dan Berry, I miss Dan Barry. I miss you, Dan Barry. So by this point now Julie is freaking out. She's like, oh my god, you're the killer. So she flees and she's running across the dock, Rays chasing after her, and that's when Ray is punched out by a fisherman and he's like, get on the boat, child, like you know, I'll take care of you. So he punches ray out and Julie gets on the boat and she's entering the loft of Blow and that's when she sees a hat like the killer has. She makes her way into the room and that's when she sees a shrine of news paper clippings, both about Susie's death. She sees pictures of her and her friends all throughout this movie that we've seen scenes of, and that's when she puts it together that he is Ben Willis, and Ben will Is in fact the killer in I Know what you did last summer.

1:19:03 That's a cliche. We need to bring back the shrine. The shrine. Yeah, shrines were everywhere in everything. Yeah, so I got to bring back the shrine. Even American Nightmare, American Nightmare had a shrine. You're not wrong, So American Nightmare, which was if I'm. Wrong, American Nightmare also has a shot at him at the coffee shop that it's like, how did he get that? You mean? She? Oh? She, Yeah, you're right. Never mind, I'm quitting the show. Well without there's a lot about the coffee shop that's left unanswered in an American Nightmare. Yeah, yeah, you're right, because I just remembered who Yeah, let's get back to the we'll talk about American Nightmare, get. Back to spoiling a different movie.

1:19:44 Yeah, So that's when you know, she tries to escape him, and Ben not giving away his hand yet, he's like, you know, oh, you know, are you okay? Like, you know, it's fourth of July. Kids should be out having fun, drinking, partying, running over people, getting away with murder. And that's when she is completely you know, of the understanding that that is who it is and he is not hiding any point. So that's when he also reveals his hook and Julie goes off running, realizing that the boat has now left the dock. So they're not at the dock anymore. Yeah, No, they're at sea. Yeah. So Ray comes to and he gets in a small boat races off towards them. Julie, trying to arm herself, gets a flare, but right as she grabs the flare, Ben speeds the boat up, knocking her to the ground. The flare goes into the water, so now she is unarmed and he's watching her, of course from the deck, because I love that scene where she looks up and he's just like, I fucking got you.

1:20:30 Yeah, no, no, this is such a great finale. Yes. So, Ray, catching up to the boat, climbs under the boat and he starts facing off with Ben and his hook right on, and Julie makes her way below deck is rased fighting off Ben. Julie emerges from the bottom right as Ben is in front of her, and he knocks Ray into the water. She goes back down as Ben makes his way down and Julie quickly hides in the ice box of the boat and that's where she discovers the bodies of Helen and Barry disturbingly. In just hundreds of pounds of ice ice like. She goes to move one thing and Helen's body comes out. She gets freaked out, goes back and she puts her hands on Barry's cold face. And Ray is next scene in the water. He's grabbing at the net and begins to climb the mass back onto the ship. Julie climbs out of the ice box right up to Ben, who is quickly knocked to the ground by Ray with the hook.

1:21:14 He swings a rope with a hook on it, which knocks him out, and that's when Ben's hand gets hooked onto the rope. Ray activates it. Ben gets pulled up and his hand gets fucking set. Gets shot up to the top of the mast of the boat, probably a good eighteen feet yep. And then right when he hits the top, it just takes his hand right off with the hook still on it. Which, by the way, if you've ever hung out with grizzled sea workers, yeah, I have one time. That's how they describe how quick you lose a hand on a boat, I can imagine. And then all of a sudden, a rope's moving quick and your hand's gone. So his hand is severed. Ray joins Julie, and that is when we see that Ben is also thrown into the water. They get stopped by the police. Ray explains he visited Missy posing as a friend out of his guilt, and the police end up going to pull up the net, revealing that Ben's severed hand is in it, but no body is there, so his hand's still clutching the hook, and that's when the cops like, oh, I don't worry, the body'll turn up sooner or later. Now it's one year later. Julie's in college in Boston, getting ready to take a shower as she's talking to Ray on the phone.

1:22:16 Her friend tells her that she has mail, so she exits the shower room, goes out to find an envelope written exactly like Ben's handwriting from the original note, and she opens it up to find a party invitation for a pool party. She's calm, everything's good now. She goes back into the shower room. It's completely steamed over and she approaches one of the doors that's written I Still Know on it. She looks around, sees no one, and then suddenly hears a crash as the killer crashes through the glass. Ending nineteen ninety seven's I know what you did last summer? And what an ending? I really do love. I need to read the book. Oh, it's the good. Book's good. I'm curious how much of the book is in the movie. Not very much. There's not a single death except for the your initial. Well that doesn't matter. The boat is the ending on a boat? No? Oh?

1:23:00 No, wow, you want me to spoil the book. Well, it's only been like sixty seven years or something. Yeah, Barry is the killer? Oh really? Barry turns out to be related to who they hit, and he goes to strangle Julie that's when Ray shows up. I think he either kills Barry or knocks him out. I think he knocks him out. That is a hell of a twist. It's a really strong twist. So would you like to know what the budget of the film was? Where'd you like to guess? Uh? No, I think I know. Okay, it's under twenty yep because back then that was the way they did things, correct. Uh, Fifteen seventeen million dollars is the budget. Okay, opening weekend for US and Canada, it makes fifteen million dollars.

1:23:41 Released on October nineteenth of nineteen ninety seven, box office totaling one hundred and twenty five point three million dollars. Now I find that interesting, okay, because I looked up Screw was curious and Screams budget is reported at fourteen to fifteen million yep, Which it makes sense. They didn't know what a big hit it was gonna be. They didn't know how popular this concept was. Yeah, but their box office was one seventy three. Damn, that's fifty ish o almost fifty lower than this. Yeah, damn, that's still gonna be higher higher. Yeah, but that's still a good money maker. No, they're both huge, huge, huge success. Yeah, I just was curious. That's interesting what they put in. Yeah, speaking of screen real quick, just off topic, did you did you know that Skeet Alric almost gave away the twist of the movie when he was doing pr for it, right like right when he got cast. No, so he's doing I heard this on Michael Rosenbaum's podcast. He was talking to him and Skeet was doing pr for something.

1:24:33 It wasn't screen, but they were like, oh, you know what, what new projects do you have coming up. He's like, Oh, I'm getting ready play a serial killer in this new movie. Oh my god. Then he immediately calls his agent He's like, I did something bad. That is hilarious. So they were able to pull it from the interview, but I was just like, that's hilarious. Oh my god, So I know what you did. Last Summer was a screenplay written by Kevin Williamson in the nineteen eighties and part of the nineties. It was not until nineteenninety six that the screenplay was rushed into production by Columbia Pictures upon the success of Williamson's written Scream, which was released the same year. Wait So Kevin Williamson wrote an adaptation of A Little Stunken Book. In the eighties. Yeah, oh, just because he was a fan of it. I guess, Oh that's really cool. Yeah. So principal photography began March thirty first in nineteen ninety seven. It was a ten week shoot. Seven of the ten took place at night, and Gelepsy devised the color scheme of the cinematographers in East Croissan, which was marked by heavy blues throughout and a notable lack of bright colors.

1:25:26 Definitely, absolutely, and that was the beginning of that being the norm for quite a while in Hollywood. The ice inside the storage of the boat was made from gelatine, so Jennifer love hewittt could comfortably move around inside. Yeah. I mentioned. When I looked at it, I was like, that's movie ice. YEP. Writer Lewis Duncan was Vietmealy opposed to her young adult novel being reworked into a slasher film, stating she was appalled in one interview. This was due to the fact that her youngest daughter was murdered by an unknown assailant in nineteen eighty nine. She said, as the mother of a murdered child. I didn't. I don't find violent deaths something to squeal and giggle about. Her original book wasn't that far off from a slasher, though. It's still a bunch of guilty teenagers being stalked and terrorized by amorous madman. It's just nobody dies in her version, so that in a sense, it's more like an old school mystery. Yeah. Well, and that was the sign of the times too. Yeah.

1:26:07 Jennifer Love Hewett had just appeared along former screen queen Jamie Lee Curtis and House Arrests prior to filming this movie. Yeah Yeah. Anne was surprised to see that she was also filming a movie in North Carolina at the same time. Jennifer said, Jamie came over to the soundstage to wish her luck on her first horror film, and would come over every day after to give her a hug. That's real sweet. Yeah. The rocky roads surrounding Dawson's Beach where Julie, Ray, Helen, and Barry have their hit and run and later Julie travels across frequently is the same mountainous roadside location using Alfred Hitchcock classic The Birds Shit Okay, the set relocated from North Carolina to California for the scene where the four teenagers run over the man. Producer Eric fig said North Carolina was the flattest state and that they needed the more curvy and dangerous looking road. Uh.

1:26:49 I mean overall, that's true, especially if you're on the beach, the coastal side. Yeah, but North Carolina's got some But yeah, California's got the winding roads out the ass. The original trailer aka the trailer that we played with the big the show for the movie described Kevin Williamson and said the movie as the creator of Scream. Miramax's owners of Scream successfully sued Columbia Pictures for false advertising and the phrase was removed. Yeah, yeah, that's not smarty. So one scene so as Juliet her breaking point, swirling around and asking the killer what's it waiting for even though he's nowhere to be seen, so it looks like she's talking to the air. And when speaking with US Weekly in twenty eighteen, Jennifer Love Hewitt revealed that the iconic scene was a kid's idea. That scene was actually directed by a kid who want a contest to come on and create a moment for the movie, and it became the biggest part of the movie, she shared. She said that she had no idea where he was now and that he wasn't thrilled about the or She wasn't thrilled about the idea of the scene at first. He's like, I want her to stand in the street and turn around to scream what are you waiting for? Huh love, Hewitt said, I was literally like, are you kidding me?

1:27:48 Right now? This is what I'm gonna do. Okay, this was a great idea. I mean, it is iconic in the film, without a doubt. There's no debate. Yeah, in the movie. The Shiver's Department Store, located in Southport, North Carolina, and owned by Helen Shiver's family, is actually a real store called Harold's Department Store, located in Bergaw, North Carolina. As of twenty nineteen, the store looks very familiar to Shiver's store in the movie, selling a mix of clothing and home appliances. As of twenty twenty three, the store is permanently closed. Bo I know. Melissa jon Hart turned down the roll of Julie because she thought it was another ripoff of Scream. Heart was not entirely wrong. To ripoff it was the first time. As the two were very much cut from the same adapted the same cloth, and written by the same screenwriter Kevin Williamson. However, Williamson actually adapted Lois Duncan's novel I Know She did last summer first and the early to mid nineties. He shopped it around the studios, who all said no, since slasher movies were dead at that point, so he put it away. Then, around nineteen ninety five, while house sitting for a friend in the midst of getting a shining like cabin fever, after watching a new story about Florida's Gainesville Ripper, he suddenly got inspired. He reportedly whipped out one hundred and twenty paid screenplay for Scream in about forty eight hours while listening to the soundtrack for Halloween. He submitted it to studios, and Mirriy Max eagerly bought in. Scream, of course, became a massive hit in December of ninety six and single handedly revitalized the slasher genre. At that point, Williamson took his I Know script out of the Mothball out of Mothballs and resubmitted it Columbia Pictures then bought the rights and the rest is history. So actually, if anything, Scream is a ripoff of I Know what You did last Summer, and not the other way around. Although Scream is widely regarded

1:29:19 as the meta commentary on slasher horror movies rather than an example of this. One, it makes it does explain how Kevin Williamson had another movie come out the next year. Yeah, that that script was sitting around. Yeah. The final Secrets on the Boat was shot on actual water bound vessel on the Cape Fear River, which proved difficult for the actors and the crew. According to Gilepsy, the filmmakers nearly lost the boat while attempting to dock it due to the volatile waters, and after which they were forced to leave and shoot other footage until the following day. Jeez, well, I mean the ocean water will now show? Was the river? Yeah? Water be like that? A waterbe like that. Indeed, although the film is not specifically included on Roger Eberts's Most Hated list, he only awarded it one star and described it as a tedious series of obligate scenes in which nonsensral characters are murdered with a bloody hook.

1:30:04 Damn. Yeah, that's that's as brutal as the film. Freddie Brince Junior wasn't pick. Wasn't the first pick or obvious choice for Ray. Nobody wanted Freddy Gepsy. A gilepsy said they thought he was too soft, he wasn't muscular enough. So Freddy probably screen tested four or five times. He got to the point where he was saying, I'm done, and I really had to plead with him to stick with it because I wanted him. I thought he was going to be great with it. He went to the gym, worked out, changed his diet, cut his hair. I stuck to my guns, and eventually they went back and said. Yes, Wow, Kevin started quite a career. Yeah. Kevin Williamson's own father had been a fisherman in real life and wore a slicker similar to that of the killer. That's what inspired the outfit for the film. I mean that checks out not screened in advance for critics.

1:30:45 Fuck him. The plot is similar to prom Night nineteen eighty, where friends accidentally caused the death of someone and make a pack to cover it up, only for the past to come back and haunt. That's a really good point. Yeah, unlike this one. It's good. It's not a legal, legally prescribed sedative like prom Night, Sorry, prom Night. Johnny Gileki recalled doing a body cast for the scene where Julie opens the trunk and finds Max dead's body in it with crab crawling out of his mouth. He later got a call that production was shut down because Jennifer love Hewitt was so upset by seeing his dead body cast of him. He called and reassured her that he was very much alive. They were very good friends. What so like, what did did Jennifer love Hewitt think like they had hired Riggiero da Dado to make this movie?

1:31:28 That and that he was actually killing the actors? Like, I mean, sag won't even let you work fifteen minutes over your day, let alone murder you for the good of a horror? Is this true? Jesus? The film originally had a different ending where Julie James is chatting with Ray online. She gets the pool party imitation, and then another person starts to chat with her, typing in I Still Know. Then the killer jumps out at her. The ending was used as a teaser trailer for the sequel. It's like, it's like they were sitting there in the studio and they were like, it's dated enough. Let's not bring all instant message into this. Okay, let's not do that. Let's not bring internet relay chat into this. Max's murder was added in reshoots. It was decided that the killer, who remained mostly in shadows the first half of the film, worked on a suspense level but never provided a tangible threat to the main characters. The murder was then filmed to show the audience that indeed this character was a deadly threat to the four.

1:32:21 Leads and how and how I no shit. Upon getting the role of the killer, Ben Willis muse Watson explained they had already set up in Wilmington, North Carolina the film, and they had everybody cast with the killer. One of the things they were worried about was that they wanted somebody who could play the killer but be nice to kids. Most of the killers you hire will get into a character and stay there, So they were a little bit worried about Jennifer Love Hewitt and Sarah Michelle Geller, and they wanted somebody nice. This guy who was a producer on horse jumping movie I did with Julia Roberts and Bobby Duvall called Something to Talk About in nineteen eighty five. He was also a producer on this, and he told them I know a guy that could kill you in a minute, but he's the nicest guy there was on set, and they called me, and I drove across town in Hollywood, went to his office and they put me on tape. While I was sitting, they sent me the tape out before I got home. I got a call saying could you leave in the morning, So I flew to Wilmington, got out there and started studying the character.

1:33:11 What namby pamby bull Crap. I always hear that like the Killer characters, they like don't eat with everybody, so they're less comfortable on screen with them. Hughes Watson still gets recognized as the killer. He revealed one of my buddies wanted to go down to Santa Monica, Pere to see the movie down there, and we scared some people. When it was over, they stood up and were getting their coats, looked back and saw me standing there. And when I got back to my hideout in the mountains of Tennessee, my wife wanted me to go see it in Knoxville, and these five or six kids sitting in the front kept talking, and right after one of the close upon screen, I tapped him on the shoulder and said, hey, keep it down. And I think he probably had to change his underwear. Uh uh, you mean he changed the guy's underwear. That's a that's a little weird, right, Ah, that makes the story interesting.

1:33:53 So what are your final thoughts on nineteen ninety seven's I know what you did lesson? I mean, I love the film. It's super fun. I even think it's it's direct sequel is super fun. Yeah. I mean if it was Scream, it would be a by it one hundred percent. Yeah, But it's not. It is the beginning of a of a new world of slasher movies. So I'm gonna give it a rent it. But if you're a horror movie, no, it's a buy it. Yeah, And I think that's just obvious. Rent it and buy it caveat. For me, I think this is a testament to a great nineties thriller that like, like I've said, the entire episode, this builds on menacing so well that once you get to the kills, you're like, oh yeah, I'm all in. Yeah, the suspense has played out really really well, really well, which I mean considering you're competing with fucking Wes Craven. Yeah, you gotta turn that heat up.

1:34:39 Yeah, And I mean the soundtrack is nineties is fucking great. Na na, no, no, no, no, no, but no, I know what you did last Summer still stands up to this day as a great slasher film. It's a cable player even still a day, and it makes sense as to why it is. And I will say, along with Enrique, I do like, I still know what you did last summer. It's just really stupid towards it's the end. Yeah, but you know what, to me, what makes me not care about how stupid it is, Yeah, is the setting, the island. Yeah, the constant rainstorm, the hurricane weather. The restafarian, Jack Black getting killed. Well, you know, let's not talk about let's not talk about that. But no, I still you know did last Summer is absolutely worth the watch. And that brings us to our recommendations. We always like to give a couple as we close out the show. My first one this week, I would love to give some love to Kevin Williamson's teaching Miss Tingle from nineteen ninety nine, a story of a girl who was willing to do anything to become valedictorian, even if it means murdering the teacher that stands in her way.

1:35:35 One of the best Helen Muren performances where she plays a bitch so well in this, but you also love her the entire time. Yeah, I do like that one. And second, I'm gonna give one more recent Fear Street Part one from nineteen ninety four, which came out in twenty twenty one, Netflix's original A circle of teenage friends accidentally encountered the ancient evil responsible for a series of b real murders that have plugged their town for over three hundred years. Welcome to Shady Side. Cannot recommend the Fear Street trilogy enough on Netflix. Well, I'm going to go in a direction I guarantee you didn't see. Oh I think recond. My recommendation this week is going to be the original sleep Away Camp. Okay, okay. It's a summertime film, even though it's clearly in the fall, it's a summertime film. It's got believable young people, so in some ways it's the antithesis of I know what you did last summer, because I know you did less summer.

1:36:26 Like everybody's too attractive, too pretty, too well lit. Sleep Boy Camp is down and dirty. It's got griminess to it, but it is a who done it at its core, absolutely, with an ending that will leave you shocked if you've never seen it. And a very good fake out if you have an HD transfer now with a one certain scene. Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. But so I'm gonna say that. I'm gonna say, Robert Hillsticks, that was a nineteen eighty one. I believe ye, nineteen eighty one's sleep Away Camp. That's my wreck, good good wreck. Do we have any emails? We do not. We do not, so I know nobody loves so I guess we should go ahead and talk about what we're talking about next week, which we are starting. Maulgus Oh god, please, no, Davis always.

1:37:10 Sounds like something that your doctor tells you you got after you went to Thailand. All right, well, then I'll put this out to the viewers and listeners. If you have a great title for our Martin Mole. Tribute month, Martin Mole August Time. Martin mulgus Ius. As hell that's hell I hate if. You have a better title than mulgust or Martin Mulgust right into us. Let us know. If we pick your title, We'll let you pick a movie. Whoa, yeah. If you If you give us a good title for this month, we will let you pick a film that we will talk about. Same if you slip me at twenty that's fair too. So well, uh well, hell so next week is Mister Mom. Mister Mom from nineteen eighty three with Michael Keaton, a big time favorite of mine.

1:37:54 I think it's actually like one of his first big movies. Yeah, and it's one of the first big films from a screenplay, an original screenplay, yeah, from John Hughes. And one thing we will tease about maulgust right now. Unfortunately, Martin Maul is very well known for his TV appearances more than his film appearances, so we have had to scrape a little bit on these. But we are picking titles that he is represented well in. I would say, what sure, I'm just saying, is there a lot to pick from? This filmography is not huge. His TV catalog is way bigger. This filmography is pretty big. But he also is sometimes in like one. Scene, one scene. Yes this is very true. But yeah, we'll talk about mister Mom nineteen eighty three next week on do You Even Movie? All right, Well, make sure to check us out at dooeven movie dot com to find out everything you could ever want to know about what we do here. If you want to email us, which we highly recommend you do, whether you want to recommend a movie, comment a movie, whatever, talk about Dave's yellowbelt, you can go and send us an email acord you do You Even Movie Pod at gmail dot com. You can also find us on Facebook if you type in do you Even Movie? Podcast? You can find us on Instagra, ram, do you Even Movie?

1:39:02 And uh yeah, I guess it is. So until next time, We'll see you next next summer. Damn it, Fuck you dud,