Heathers (1988) Winona Ryder, Christian Slater

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Heather Chandler, Heather McNamara, Heather
Duke, and Veronica Sawyer the most powerful

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flick at Westerburg High. Why you're
such a mega brat Because I candy.

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Most people would die to get into
it. Heather Number one just looked right

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at me. Veronica would kill to
get out of You were nothing before you

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met me. Now JD has come
to answer her prayers. I'm a no

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arrest build up man. Myself will
kill her. He's either the man of

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her dreams or a nightmare come true. Now, Hello, but that Gaison

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life is this turnout weaker? What
had at least seventy more people at Matt

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funeral? Well, Jee, he's
coming up here to kill you. That's

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we're breaking up the sleeper hit of
nineteen eighty nine. Wenona Rider, Christian

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Slater, Heather's a teenage love story
with a body count. Con Sendo Scourse

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to Saint Quentin instead of Stamer In
a world where podcasts reigned supreme. Two

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Friends Dare to Ask? Do You
Even? Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique

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Kuto and movie aficionado David Denoyer.
Spoiler alert, quit looking like that,

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Hello, my friends, and welcome
back to do you even movie. I'm

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your host Enrique Kuto here with my
good buddy and co host Double D David

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Denoyer, who I guarantee we're going
to find out was much more popular in

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high school than I was. Uh
yeah, you said when we were watching

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the movie, we're discussing that,
You're like, you know, it's a

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it's a bold choice for you to
pick this in a high school movie.

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And I'm like why, and you're
like, well, you know about my

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high school experience, and I was
like, oh shit, yeah, yeah,

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you didn't think that went through,
did you believe it or not?

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I may not have been the most
popular kid in my high school and it

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took me a bit. But we
are heading back to high school, and

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tonight we're talking all about the nineteen
eighty nine correct eighty eight, nineteen eighty

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eight, Like, so, okay, this is a weird thing. Eighty

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eight on IMDb in and Wikipedia,
but it was released in eighty nine.

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Huh yeah. Sun Dance was the
eighty eight day, and then eighty nine

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was the United States. Huh yeah. Some of these dates get a little

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stupid. Yeah, I know.
Maniac is one of those where it's like

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there's like three different dates for the
release of Maniac. Well, that's like

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you could trust that, you know. Yeah, right, I told you

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not to go out tonight. Maybe
that's why it came out one night,

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but then they bought it back,
told them to go out. Yeah,

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but we're heading there with the nineteen
eighty eight black comedy Heathers, which is

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in I would say pretty much every
definition of the word a cult classic classic.

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Yeah, one hundred percent of cult
classic. And this is this is

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one for me that when we were
when we were discussing U the Valentine's Day

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love theme month, I was like, I want to go with one that's

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a psychotic love story. But I
didn't want to go like super on the

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nose, like psychos and love.
Oh yeah, we should have done.

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No, we should have done what
was that psycho's a love story or whatever?

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Yees, Oh my god, you're
haven't a mental melt down. God,

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nobody knows what we're talking about,
No one in the entire world.

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And I wouldn't have it any other
way. But yeah, Heathers was just

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an automatic pick for me because it
was like, it's one that Joe Bob

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showed several years back, and I
remember we are a part of the Mutant

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Collective on Facebook, and yes,
sometimes that group can can be interesting in

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regards to the responses of what Joe
Bob announces and shows. Well, they

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like to complain a lot. That's
just that's kind of the fun of it.

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Sometimes it's funny and sometimes it's very
frustrating. Yeah, but I will

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say, uh, Heathers having aired
on Joe Bob's Last Drive in Yeah,

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was one of the first times in
my thirties I had seen it. And

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I've been trying to prepare for this
because I always considered Heathers to be one

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of those that I thought was fine
and I understood why people loved it,

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but I didn't get it so much. Yeah, this viewing definitely turned me

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around. But I did, uh. I did kind of hold off on

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us having to do this one.
Yeah, I selfishly was like, I'll

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show you you want to review Heathers. I'm getting COVID COVID, So I

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mean we should go ahead and say
that this has been you know, the

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episodes have released in the order we
want them to. But just to give

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perspective, we haven't been behind these
mics in over a week because both of

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us got sick. Yeah, you
had the flu. Yeah, that is

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the weirdest part. Let's talk about
that first time. Yeah, that is

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the weirdest part of the ill.
This is you showed up stupidly with a

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sore throat, yeah, which you
know, Yeah, and then and then

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proceeded to spray it was which is
in last week's episode. You actually stopped

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at one point you were like,
you just spit all over You just spit

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all over all of us. But
but uh so you had a flu of

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some sort and some sort. And
so then that Wednesday, the next day,

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I had a little tingle in my
throat. Yeah, and then Thursday

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I was full on sick. Yeah. Literally I left your house that night

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and I went home and I was
like, okay, I'm just gonna like

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take like some cough drops and you
know, hope for the best, because

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like it had gotten a little bit
better. But that's the one thing I

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hate about sore throats is even when
they get better, it doesn't mean you're

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getting better. No, not at
all. And as a person who and

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I know this will shock the listeners, who has blown out my voice from

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use many many times, I know
the difference. Yeah, and I get

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that, and that's that's what was
funny. Was so Thursday or Wednesday rolls

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around and I'm just getting miserable at
work, and all my coworkers were in

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office. I work in a place
that has had basically everybody at home in

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by choice because they can work from
home and promote in and I'm the weirdo

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that still goes to the office.
So we were having our quarterly of everybody

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in office, and I'm just sitting
around my coworkers and I'm just like Jesus,

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I really hope I'm not getting anybody
sick. And then when I left

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work that day, I literally went
home at four point thirty and laid down

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and did not get up again until
five am the next morning, just to

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take more cold medicine to go back
to sleep. Well, I probably call

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your work and say you I texted
them yes. Man. See, it

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has been so long since I had
a job that I've never had the option

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to text that I was sick.
Yeah. Oh, I always had that

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at least faith faith. I get
it. I can't I get it,

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but yeah, no, I was. I was down for the count till

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about Saturdays when I went back to
work. So I missed Thursday and Friday,

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and I was worried that I'd gotten
you sick, and then when you

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get well, it would make sense. Yeah. And then when you did

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get sick, I was like,
ah, fuck, I did it.

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I totally did it. Yeah.
So then I'm sick, although it seemed

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like mine lingered, but it wasn't
as intense as towards mind. So by

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Friday, I'm full bore sick,
laid up on the couch. Saturday still

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pretty damn sick. Sunday's starting to
feel little bit better. And then Monday,

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just because I was like I should, I took a COVID test,

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which you did too. Yeah,
And when I came up positive and your

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ass came up negative, I was
like, so we're just unrelated apparently apparent

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related. And then my mother got
sick, who I had seen that Wednesday,

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and I was like, oh man, I made my mom's sick.

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She got a negative COVID test,
so it was just me. I had

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COVID sandwiched between two people with unrelated
flukee. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

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and then literally the next week at
work, uh, I think that following

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Friday, like two people had called
off because when I texted on Friday,

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I was like, I need like
one more day to recoup and then I

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should be good. Jamie's like,
okay, she's like already down a couple

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people, but we should be fine. And then I found out that like

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one of the people I was sitting
next to got sick, and then one

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of the people across from me got
sick. So I don't know if I

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did it. I'm pretty sure I
did. I mean, you do lick

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your coworker. I do lick my
coworkers. Yeah, that is a thing

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I do that I completely forgot about
till now. I don't know how you

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could forget it, because you're always
complaining about their after shave. You're always

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complaining about you know, You're like, why can't you wear something that's mango

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scented? You're always saying this stuff. So it's always been an exciting time

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here do even movie, but oh
yeah, your host getting sick, oh

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yeah. Trying to recoup back.
I was laid up for a full seven

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days cable watching movies. Oh man, I went down a rabbit hole with

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jog Mundra movies. And if you
don't know who Jack Bundra is, then

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you're the average human being. But
Jack Bundra was a Indian American filmmaker who

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made quite a name for himself with
erotic thrillers in the nineties that played cable

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again and again, starting with Night
Eyes. Yeah, with his big hit

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which spawned three sequels, and Jack
Mundra, most fans would know him for

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directing Hacko Lantern Yet, because that's
kind of the one that got the real

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cult appeal. And that's why I'm
so obsessed with these weird late night cable

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movies, because unlike the horror movies, which everybody loves them, everybody wants

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to forget these weird thriller movies.
And not all of them were erotic thrillers,

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but everybody wants to forget them.
When you and I are both Lifetime

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a Lifetime movie network enthusiasts, and
I was watching a lot of Lifetime while

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I was sick, just because I
had it on and I would fall asleep

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to it on and off. There
are some really damn good movies. I

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mean, there's a lot of misses
in the Lifetime Movie Network, but there's

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a lot of good ones though too. Oh it's I mean, anybody who

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doesn't accept that Lifetime is where b
movies are made for high budgets. Yeah,

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you're in denial. Oh yeah,
because Lifetime is, and Joe Bob

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Briggs has even said it. Yeah, it is the drive in of the

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modern day. That's where you go
to see your your ridiculous women in peril

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movies and all of that. Psycho
Grandma was psychod Grandmother was one I watched,

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and then I really watched. I
really enjoyed what I watched called Ruthless

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reelsur That is a title. I
know. I won't lie. I have

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not been as plugged into Lifetime as
lately as you have, but wow,

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yeah, that is. That is
a title and a half. There's been

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some amazing titles and some great titles
and bad movies as well. Oh well

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sure, I mean they're they're guilty
pleasure, but like by design, by

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design. Oh yeah yeah. See
me, I'm sitting at home. I'm

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watching Shades of Gray. I'm watching
Wild Cactus. I'm watching Tainted Love,

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I'm watching Distant Cousins. I'm watching
uh, what was that other one I

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watched? I started rewatching Dangerous playing
Dangerous Too, which is the one that's

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a kids movie except for two shootings
in it that are like completely out of

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place. Yeah, that's another film
everybody's forgotten but me basically is playing Dangerous.

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But I could talk for hours about
these weirdo lost movies that I adore.

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I really do. We both could, and I will say after my

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jag Mundra triple feature Wild Cactus a
lot of fun. Good luck finding it.

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It's nowhere. You can't rent it, you can't. You have to

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buy it on VHS. Hey,
I mean I was happy enough when we

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finally got Lou Diamond Phips Dangerous Touch
available in Voodoo. So that was well,

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that is a class a an erotic
thriller, written, directed, and

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starring Lou Diamond Phillips. Oh yeah, and half the movie is just women

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talking about what incredible mysterious lover he
is. That'll probably come to the show

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at some point. I don't think
dangerous. I have a poster of Dangerous

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Touch over my bed and it's just
a shot at LDP, like looking like

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super dark and mysterious. Do you
remember that I accidentally bought two? Yes,

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I have a second Dangerous Touch poster
because when I went to UH when

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I bought Dangerous Touch, I bought
it and I put it in a frame

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and I was like, hell yeah, hell yeah. And then I was

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going through my poster tubes and I
saw in this a Dangerous Touch. I

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was like, Oh, this must
be the tube that that Dangerous Touch came

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in. And I was like And
then I opened it up. I was

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like, I bought Dangerous Touch a
poster like like a year or two ago,

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and then forgot about it. Yeah. I have a real problem with

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collecting these B movies. There's a
survival quest copy in here, somewhere in

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this house. I don't appreciate that. I have no idea where it is,

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and it drives me insane because I
love that note it's a great movie,

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but so also a great movie Heathers. What's that now? Oh it's

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it's a it's a laugh and a
half. No. So I will say

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that this is this talk about Heathers
is going to be interesting because I have

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come out of this viewing, which
is probably my third or fourth viewing ever,

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I've come out of it with a
lot more appreciation for the film.

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Yeah you were saying that, Yeah, I definitely enjoyed it quite a bit.

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So David throw us the pertinent deats
on Heather Night. So we were

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talking about Heathers from nineteen eighty eight, although possibly released ninety eight nine one

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hour and forty three minutes raed are. This film is directed by Michael Layman.

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He is a name that many people
know just by his body of work

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alone. So Heather's this is directing
real debut in nineteen eighty eight. Wow,

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that was his first films, his
debut, and then he does Meet

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the Apple Gates in nineteen ninety,
Hudson Hawk in ninety one, Airheads in

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ninety four, Airheads, Yeah,
I Love Her, Yeah Yeah, The

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Truth About Cats and Dogs in ninety
six. He directed some episodes in Larry

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Sanders Show in ninety six, My
Giant with Billy Crystal in ninety eight,

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Oh my God, I haven't thought
about My Giant in so long, The

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West Wing in ninety nine, Forty
Days and forty Ninths in two thousand and

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two, Pasadena O two Century City, The Comeback Because I Said So in

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two thousand and seven, Worse Week
in eight, then goes to shoot episodes

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of Big Love and O nine episodes
of The Big C in twenty ten,

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Nurse Jackie twenty eleven, Dexter twenty
eleven, American Horror Story twenty eleven,

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in twenty fifteen, Scream Queens in
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nineteen, Revival of Veronica Mars in
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episodes of Heels three, the series
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only television, but like the exact
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of Heathers would do. Yeah,
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and Scream Queens that True Blood,
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yeah, And I mean see that
going from Heathers in eighty eight to Hudson

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Hawk in ninety one and then Airheads. I mean those are three movies that

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I really really love. I would
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Airheads had a lot in common.
Who knew? Who knew? I love

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that. Oh you want to talk
about weird Colm And we'll get into the

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cinematographer here in a second, But
the writer first is Daniel Walters. Daniel

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Walters is. He was a writer
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a lot of bigger titles in there. He's more so become kind of a

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pop culture guy. He's been on
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He's a good friend of Josh Olson
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show too. But he started out
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be Onunder Control, does Heathers,
which is his first screenplay in eighty eight,

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then goes on to do the Adventures
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So was he the guy who rewrote
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Cappy wrote the original script for Adventures
of Ford Fairlane. Do You Even?

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Movie? Will be right back,
welcome back to Do You Even? Movie?

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Then Walters goes on to writ Hudson
Hawk in nineteen ninety one, Batman

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returns in nineteen ninety two, Demolition
Man in ninety three, Demolition Man.

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do as time has gone on.
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directs. In two thousand and one, he does Vampire Academy in twenty fourteen

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as the writer, and then in
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or a TV movie called Fashion Victim. But like I said, he doesn't

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really have a heavy resume, but
he's got some really good titles on there.

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I mean Batman Returns alone. I've
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that movie from where I was as
a kid, because that was a movie

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that mom took away from me because
of the nipples, because of penguins biting,

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the nose scene and the overall just
sexual That movie wants to fuck.

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I love Batman Returns. But the
more I watched that movie, that movie

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just wants to fuck. Yeah,
Now it's a horny flegg without a doubt.

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So moving onto our cinematographer. There's
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he starts off his career with a
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So this guy did instructional videos and
like behind the scenes videos for corporations

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starting in seventy five with how to
say No to a Rapist and survive.

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Well, that second half is pretty
important, no wonder it's an instructional.

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Then he goes on to shoot Red
Fox video and Plain Brown Rapper in nineteen

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eighty three, which was a comedy
special that my parents had that I didn't

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get to see until I was in
my like, I think sixteen seventeen because

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it's filthy. Oh wait, Red
Fox, Yeah, filthy crazy right.

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And he does Sydney Lappers Girls Just
Want to Have Fun video in nineteen eighty

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three, Everything you always wanted to
know about computers but We're too afraid to

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ask in nineteen eighty four. Huh
does the video for Direct Dire Straits,

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Brothers in Arms videos, Campus Man
in nineteen eighty seven. So then he

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gets Heather's in eighty eight, and
this is where he really takes off.

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He does Night Watch series in nineteen
eighty eight, Sweet Bird of Youth which

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was a TV film in eighty nine, New Jack City in nineteen ninety one,

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he's a cinematographer on Well hell all
right. So then he goes and

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does the Flash series in ninety one, House Party two in ninety one.

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Now We're Cooking with Gas Class Act
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on to do Coneheads in ninety three. Wow, oh oh, we're not

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even there yet, Ebbs Nabs unacceptable, not even there yet. Ed and

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his Dead Mother in nineteen ninety three. That's a movie I've been wanting to

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revisit. I used to have a
DVD, but I foolishly rid of His

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Dead Mother. It's in print again, is the Scorpion? Scorpion had it

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for a while. It's print.
So then Wayne's World two in ninety three,

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Jason's Lyric in ninety four, Thin
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six, Harriet the Spy in nineteen
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film, Bean nineteen ninety seven,
The Mister Bean, The Mister Bean,

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Oh My God, Night at the
Roxbury in ninety eight, She's All That

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ninety nine, Scary Movie two thousand, the first scary movie, first scary

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movie. Kingdom come in two thousand
and one, how High in two thousand

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and one, from Justin to Kelly. In two thousand and three, he

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became the comedy guy cra Three Wise
Guys, which is a movie. I

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don't know if you've ever seen her. We've talked about it. It's three

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mafiosos that are protecting a pregnant woman. I've never seen that. It's it's

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a weird comedy, but yeah,
Three Wise Guys in two thousand and four.

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Then he does the new Partiage Family
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in the Dark two thousand and seven. Steele Magnoia's remake for Lifetime in twenty

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twelve. I never saw that Bonnie
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He shoots Justified in twenty fourteen,
Green Leaf in twenty sixteen, and for

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the last several years he's been shooting
on the Swat TV series, which started

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in twenty seventeen. Oh, oh
Man, Swat, I remember swat yew

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the rebutalation classic. Shut up.
But what was your first time seeing Heathers?

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Okay? So I did not see
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or nineteen eighteen. I rented it
at oh Man, I rented it at

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Precinct thirteen Video. Oh, that's
featured in your film, Marty Jenkins in

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The Vampire Bitches. Why it is? That was a short lived local video

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store rental store with hobgoblins, apparently
with every copy of every movie being a

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copy of Hobgoblins. Yes, but
I rented it there because I was told

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by the owner as well as by
my buddy Andy that it was like a

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must watch for teens. Yeah,
and I was eighteen. I remember Andy

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was was pretty heavy ones, not
a big fav of his, but an

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important movie. Let's be real.
Everybody knows Heathers because of the line fucked

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me gently with a chainsaw, which
is in the first few minutes of the

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film, and that was what That's
what always brings it back is people will

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quote that on social media, or
at least they used to before we'd get

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flagged as self harm threat or something, which is ironic given the point of

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punners. But yeah, so I
saw it when I was eighteen. I

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remember thinking it was pretty good.
But mostly I was enamored by two things.

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I was enamored by a Wenona Rider, who I I mean growing up

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in the nineties, I had a
long term crush on Wenona Rider because I

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watched Beetlejuice and like, was her
age, yeah, or well the age

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she was supposed to be, I
guess, because yeah, she played really

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young and Beatle Juice she absolutely did. That's like her third movie nineteen eighty

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eight because it was the same year
as Heathers. Yeah. Wow, yeah,

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because she looks like she's two years
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although I guess I guess in Heather
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it's just but very different type of
persons anyway, regardless, Also for

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me, because this is the era
when a movie comes out in theaters and

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then it takes forever to hit home
video and everything. So for me in

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my nineties, Kid Brain Beatled Use
will always be like a ninety one ninety

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two movie. I get that.
So so I guess she always she's smitch

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older than me, but yeah,
but still uh so I had a big

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crush on her. So seeing Heathers, I was like whoa. But then,

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of course my biggest mind blower was
Christian Slater, just one hundred percent

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being Jack Nicholson. And I mean
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Yeah, but I kept waiting for
him to go see you lad,

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Wait they get a load of me? Wait'll they get a load of me?

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So but I liked it, and
I remember how off color it was

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even for you know, two thousand
and five standards. Now it's like wow,

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yeah, it's out there. Yeah, I mean the the Mineral Water.

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Ye. So, but that was
my first time watching it, and

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then I probably watched it a few
years later, and and and I always

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thought it was fine. Joe Bob
showed it, and I didn't pay full

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attention. Hanging out with friends and
we're all talking and gounda. But what

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about you? When did you first
see? How So Heathers was a later

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discovery for me because the first notion
that I have of this movie existing was

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do you remember the VH one mini
series they did of like I love the

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seventies, I love the eighties,
I love the nineties. I remember I

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love the eighties, I Love the
eighties. Eighties had a whole segment on

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Heathers because of course it was a
huge phenomenon cult wise when it came out,

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and that's usually what they focus on
a lot of those. And I

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just remember seeing scenes from it,
like the Lick it Up Baby and fucking

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Me gently, the chainsaw, and
I remember seeing clips of it that were

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also blurred out by the violence,
so like they had those lower things they

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put up over so immediately I was
like, well, this looks interesting,

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So I got to hunt this down. It took about several years for it

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to fall into my possession, and
luckily somebody traded it in with a load

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of dvs when I was working at
around about Books when it was in high

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school, and I remember I take
it off the stack and Mic was like,

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oh, there's just so good and
I was like, I haven't seen

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it, and he's like, you're
not buying that. He's like, just

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take it, Like, just take
it, go hold and watch it.

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Yeah, And so I took it
home and watch it that night, and

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I remember really really liking it.
But then it just you know how it

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is like when you watch movies at
the rate we do, sometimes they unless

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it's sometimes it's a machine. Yeah, unless it's just saying down and watching

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it and sitting down and watching it. Yeah, unless it's like a major

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point, you don't really you know, have much with it. You see

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double D. This is why I
invested in a one hundred and twenty inch

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screen in my living room. Yeah, because when you watch a friggin film,

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you're watching a friggin film. You
are a D. But no,

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no, I totally know what you
mean. So yeah, it took several

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years and then I got a blu
Ray shortly around the time I moved back

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to Troy, and I watched it
one night. I think I I got

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like the Walmart like seven dollars bin
back in the day and took it home

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and watch it, and I just
I every time I watch this movie,

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I remember how much I love it
with each viewing, and I kind of

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forget that until I revisit. You're
kind of a teen at heart? Yeah,

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oh absolutely, I mean I mean
that with all the insults possible,

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that's possibly. Yeah. So talking
about Heather's let's go into the plot.

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So the image Entertainment blu Ray on
the back says, Westerburg High School elite

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click of popular girls are the Heathers, comprised of the powerful Heather Chandler,

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the green with envy Heather Duke,
and the cowardly Heather mcmacmara. Rounding out

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the force ofme iss Veronica Sawyer,
who is so fed up with the Heathers

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and the entire peer pressure cooker that
she starts running with JD, a mysterious

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and possible psychotic motorcycle riding newcomer.
But what begins as their notable effort to

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rid Westerberg of its bad Apples ends
up taking a real toll, and their

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team rebellion produces a serious and mounting
body count. I don't hate that description,

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if only for the use of the
phrase peer pressure cooker. That's pretty

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freaking good. Pretty good. And
when I was growing up, that was

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the height of dare. Yeah,
and all these anti drug paul you know,

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classes and stuff they would take you
too. Yeah, and peer pressure

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was constantly talked about. So I
love the phrase peer pressure cooker. So

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that's from the from the Blu ray
case sold. You like to hear my

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bullshit? No. I struggle with
this one a little bit because there's just

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so much going on in this movie. But here's mine. Okay. High

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school student Veronic Sawyer quickly finds out
that serious consequences when she accidentally causes the

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death of an elite member of the
high school click known as the Heathers.

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Finding out her new boyfriend JD,
is behind teen suicide trends sweeping their town,

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It's up to Veronica to stop JD
from murdering more innocent teens with this

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plan to blow up the school.
That's pretty good. I mean, you

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tried really hard to be concise,
Yeah, which is hard when there's so

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much going on. Yeah, I
mean, that's the thing with Heathers is

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like, yeah, there's the central
plot, but there's so much more around

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it. Yeah. Well, I
mean there's a hell of a lot going

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on in Heathers. And I am
happy to report that this is widely streaming

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available right now. You can find
it on all your major players that you're

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used to, so you can watch
Heathers right now. You can pause the

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podcast. And because if you haven't
seen it, this is a movie that

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we really don't want to spoil for
you unless you've seen it and you will

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go along with it. Well,
I mean, we have a spoiler alert

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at the beginning. Here's an spoiler
alert. There we go. We have

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a spoiler alert at the beginning of
the show. Well we do. What

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do you even movie is? We
take our favorite movies and we pick them

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apart like a rope tossery chicken.
Yes, we do. And picking apart

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and finishing us off, We're gonna
go through the cast and our top three

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players in the starting with Winona Rietor, who plays Veronica Sawyer. She was

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in Lucas in nineteen eighty six,
does Beatlejuice in eighty eight Heather's an eighty

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eight Mojo Nixon. Debbie Gibson is
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at eighty nine rest in piece,
Mojo, Yes, Mojo. Nixon just

405
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:25.160
recently passed away while on a rock
and roll cruise the night after his performance.

406
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:26.599
And I can't think of a better
way for a man who meant so

407
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.960
much to me to pass away.
Yeah, but I do want to mention,

408
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:33.799
you know why she was in that
because told me before, But what

409
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.640
is the story? Because they became
friends on the Jerry Lee Lewis movie that

410
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:41.799
Great Balls of Fire one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where they

411
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.000
met and that's how he got her
to be in the music video. He

412
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.240
plays the drummer in Jerry Lee Lewis's
band in Great Peol Balls the Fire.

413
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:52.160
So yeah, Great Balls of Fire
in nineteen eighty nine, Welcome Home Roxy,

414
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.000
Carmel Michael in nineteen ninety, Edwards
her Hands in nineteen ninety. That's

415
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:57.519
you know what, That's probably the
one that actually caused me to have a

416
00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:03.240
crush on more than anything was probably
Edward Scissorhands as a kid. And I'm

417
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:06.279
not the biggest Tim Burton guy,
but I love Edward Scissorhan. That movie

418
00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:10.799
actually came back on me in my
twenties like the best I'd ever received it

419
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:15.440
because I can't imagine a teenage hot
topic. Dave wasn't in love with Edward

420
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.279
Scissorhands, like it was on TV
a lot growing up, and Mom watched

421
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:19.759
it, like Mom really liked Edwards. My mom liked Edward sis hair.

422
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:22.960
And I remember she got me to
watch a scene from it because I was

423
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.119
a big fan of House of Wax
at that point, because that's one she

424
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:27.599
showed me too. And Vincent Price, of course plays the father in it,

425
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:30.079
and she showed me that that was
one of his last roles. But

426
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.519
yeah, Edward Scissorhands is one that
I've really come back around on and really

427
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.039
really love. I'm still shocked.
I feel like that would have just been

428
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:38.440
one you would have to love by
law, I don't know, just like

429
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:41.519
the Crow. By law, you
have to love the crow. So it's

430
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.720
just Mermaids in nineteen ninety, Bromstoke
because Dracula in ninety two, The Age

431
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.240
of Innocence in ninety three, Reality
Bites ninety four, Little Women in ninety

432
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:52.640
four, Boys in ninety six,
The Crucible in ninety six, Alien Resurrection

433
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.519
in ninety seven. Yeah, Larry
Sanders Show in ninety eight, Girl Interrupted

434
00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:00.599
in ninety nine, Lost Souls,
Friends, Mister Deed's Simo, A Scanner,

435
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.920
Darkly, The Ten, The Informers
star Trek black Swan, the Iceman,

436
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:07.519
Franke and Weeny. Home Front?
Have you seen home Front? By

437
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.559
the way? Home Front the action
movie movie? My god, it's so

438
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:14.440
ridiculous. I I thought, you
know, we didn't see that together,

439
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:18.759
and no, I give that video. That movie broke my heart because it

440
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:23.480
was written by Sylvester Stallone right after
his sunde And if you watch that movie

441
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:29.759
thinking about that, the entire movie
is about saving your child from basically the

442
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:33.359
things that killed his son in real
life. Yeah, I think that Stallone.

443
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:38.119
People loved joke, and yeah,
yeah he's the He's that. But

444
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:45.640
Stallone is a very talented screenwriter and
a very talented story writer and storyteller,

445
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:48.720
and I wish he got his due
a little bit more. But I'm sure

446
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:52.160
you know he's okay, laying in
his pile of money every night with his

447
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.799
you know, memories of hundreds of
supermodels moved from like three different mansions in

448
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.680
the last like ten years if I
remember correctly, that's rough several times.

449
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:04.720
That's rough. So Home Front in
twenty thirteen. Then she lands probably what

450
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.799
would be the biggest role in the
light the last decade, Stranger Things in

451
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.240
twenty sixteen. That brought her back. That brought her back entirely. Yeah,

452
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.960
I've noticed she's been popping up in
like Hulu movies and stuff now because

453
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:21.039
of that return. Yeah. Well
she had that little incident. Yes,

454
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:22.119
we did, we did. We
did talk about that off Mike. Yes,

455
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.119
she had a little theft incident.
Oh well, no, all I

456
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.599
said when we were watching heathers Is
I was like, man, she really

457
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:33.000
steals every scene she's in. Yeah. Man, Now, in the early

458
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:37.519
two thousands, she got caught shoplifting
red handed and all on video, and

459
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.160
it really, I mean, it's
fun to laugh at, but like I

460
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.880
really got the sense that she was
just a kleptomaniac, Like she was just

461
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:51.960
doing it for unhealthy emotional reasons and
not because she was necessarily too poor to

462
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.119
buy a dress or something y.
So then Stranger Things in twenty sixteen,

463
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:56.960
Destination Wedding in twenty eighteen, Gone
in the Night in twenty twenty two,

464
00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:00.000
and She was recently in Haunted Mansion
in twenty twenty, which I still think,

465
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.519
Yeah, I would see it either. I think everybody was in that.

466
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.079
I might have been in that.
Yeah, Do You Even? Movie

467
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:22.559
will be right back, welcome back
to Do You Even? Movie? So

468
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.920
moving on, we have Christian Slater, who was playing Jason J. D.

469
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.039
Dean in this and one hundred and
thirty seven credits he had, which

470
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.599
I wasn't surprised because I mean that
the man is one and thirty seven credits.

471
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.000
The reason that blows my mind is
there was a period where he couldn't

472
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.079
get work, couldn't get work.
Yeah, yeah, because my buddy Fred

473
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.519
ol and Ray helped break him back
into the scene with I want to say

474
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:47.119
it was Hatfields and McCoy's. Yeah, actually bad blood Hatfields and McCoy's.

475
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:49.759
So that's amazing that he had that
many roles because yeah, there was like

476
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.759
a solid span yeah, where just
nobody was working well and like going through

477
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:56.920
this which I'll get to in a
second, and just his nineties resume,

478
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:03.279
I forgot how fucking stacked it is. I'm pretty sure that I learned who

479
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.680
he was from Robinhood, Robin Hood, Prince Deves. Yeah. So starts

480
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.559
off in nineteen eighty with Search for
Tomorrow, guests on All My Children eighty

481
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.359
four, does Hills from the Dark
Side series in eighty four, Legend of

482
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:15.720
Billy Jean nineteen eighty five, Name
of the Rose nineteen eighty six, appears

483
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.039
on Crime Story in eighty six,
La Law in eighty eight, then Tucker

484
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.279
the Man in His Dreams in eighty
eight scores Heather the same year, then

485
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.759
does Gleaming the Cube in eighty nine, The Wizard in eighty nine, Tales

486
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.640
from the Dark Side of the movie
in nineteen ninety, which I love that

487
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.920
movie so much. You know,
when you hear that resume, just note

488
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:37.519
that, uh, he was this
close to being on Freddy's Nightmares. If

489
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.240
he had started his career two years
later, he would have been in an

490
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.079
episode of Freddy Sneers. Damn at
him, damn it, he would have.

491
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:45.519
Because Brad Pitt was for Fox.
Well we even we even had an

492
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.160
alum on Heather's that was in Freddy's
Nightmares. Phil Lewis, the kid that

493
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:52.279
the black student in the photo in
the newspaper lab. Oh, yeah,

494
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.279
he was in the he was in
Bride war Red. He's the friend that

495
00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.799
introduces the stripper from Hell fun Facts, Oh, Freddy's Nightmare, Young Guns

496
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.960
in nineteen ninety. Pump up the
volume coming to this show soon, I

497
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.400
promise you. In nineteen ninety Dave's
gonna be He's been threatening me. We're

498
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.160
gonna have to watch pump up the
volume again. He's always saying it for

499
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:14.160
the volume. Uh. Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves ninety one, Mobsters

500
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.480
in ninety one, Star Trek of
the Undiscovered Country in nineteen ninety one,

501
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:20.880
Cuffs in ninety two, Ferngully ninety
two, True Romance in ninety three,

502
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.039
Interview with the Vampire in ninety four, Murder in the First in ninety five,

503
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:27.039
does Bet of Roses in ninety six, Broken Arrow in ninety six,

504
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.160
which was also My Like a Broken
Arrow a lot, Hard Rain in nineteen

505
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.759
ninety eight. Hard Rain is a
freakin like odd ball cloud. Oh yeah,

506
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.039
that is such an underrated film.
Very Bad Things in ninety eight,

507
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.160
Three Thousand Miles to Graceland two thousand
and one, Zoo Lander two thousand and

508
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:44.519
one, Wind Talkers, Oh two
West Wing, O two Mine Hunters and

509
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:46.400
O four Alone in the Dark and
O five And I think that was right

510
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:50.640
around the time that he was a
little unhiable because that's an Neuvae Bowl film.

511
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.279
Oh well, that does say something
when you end up in an uve

512
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:58.759
Bowl movie. Yeah, or worse
yet, Neuvee Bowl documentary that too.

513
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.960
Yeah, so that he does the
adventures Jimmy Neutron Boy genius. He was

514
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:06.559
jet black in that in two thousand
and three, hollow Man two in two

515
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.000
thousand and six, Dolan's Cadillac and
O nine, The River Murders twenty eleven,

516
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:13.960
Entourage twenty eleven, Playback twenty twelve, Hatfield's and McCoy's Bad Blood in

517
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.559
twenty twelve, Bullet to the Head
speaking of semesters alone twenty twelve. I

518
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:22.240
like Bullet to the Head's moments.
Nymphomaniac twenty thirteen, Ask Me Anything,

519
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.039
twenty fourteen. I completely forgot about
that movie. I don't recall the one

520
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:29.640
with the high school student that goes
missing and she she's telling the story as

521
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.279
the movie goes, and then at
the end it possibly is that none of

522
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:36.599
that was absolutely true at all.
Hmmm. It was one you turn me

523
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:40.400
onto of Netflix back in Like the
Time Me Yeah, Wow, Hot Tub

524
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.680
Time Machine two in twenty twenty twenty
fourteen, which we saw in theaters so

525
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:49.400
nicely did it twice yep Rick and
Morty twenty seventeen, The Public twenty eighteen,

526
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.640
Mister Robot twenty nineteen, Dirty John
Archer in twenty twenty three. I

527
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.160
mean, the man's even still working
today. I love Christian Slater and I'm

528
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.079
happy to see him. Yeah,
he's definitely he turned himself around. Me.

529
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:00.039
I think that he got way too
much fame too fast. Yeah,

530
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.039
and I think that that's what probably
caused him most of his issues. And

531
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.119
rounding us out for our top three
is Shannon Doherty, who plays Heather Duke.

532
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:09.440
She was on Father Murphy in nineteen
eighty one to Secretive NYM in eighty

533
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.719
two. And I want to say, finally someone in this film that didn't

534
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.159
have any trouble in there in their
history. No, not at all.

535
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:21.559
No, No, I'm like Christen
Slater, Oh The Little House of the

536
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.559
Prairie in nineteen eighty two, Magna
p I at eighty three, Airwolf in

537
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:27.320
eighty four, Girls Just Want to
Have Fun in eighty five, Highway to

538
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.440
Heaven, Our House in eighty six, does Heathers in eighty eight twenty one

539
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.119
Jump Street in eighty nine. Then
in nineteen ninety she gets Beverly Hills nine

540
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:36.840
oh two one out and that's when
she became a household name. One hundred

541
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.519
and forty six episodes of that show. I believe this. Yeah, Naked

542
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:43.599
Gun thirty three and the third,
Maul Rats ninety five, Gone in the

543
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.199
Night ninety six, Sleeping with the
Devil in ninety seven, Nowhere, Striking

544
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.880
Poses, Charmed in ninety eight,
Satan's School for Girls in two thousand,

545
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:52.519
Jay and Silent Bob strike Back in
oh one, Hell on Heels, the

546
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.079
Battle of Mary Kay in two thousand
and two, which I think I need

547
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.800
to see. Well, first of
all, have you seen the remake of

548
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:00.599
Satan's School for Girls? Not?
That was Oh, it's pretty good.

549
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:04.639
That was my remind I was like, I think it was a lifetime remake

550
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:07.039
because it was a made for TV
movie. Back it was a remake of

551
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.119
a made for TV movie back in
that era when made for TV movies were

552
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:15.599
the horror ones were surprisingly scary.
I think initiation of Sarah remake was the

553
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:16.840
same year as that. I think
that was too. I think you're right.

554
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:20.440
I think they were done like from
the same slate. Yeah. So

555
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:22.480
then Scare Tactics in two thousand and
three, which is the host, which

556
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:27.719
is where I know her most from
because Scare Tactics was huge when I was

557
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:31.000
a teenager. Yeah, North Shore
and four Christmas Caper six nine O two

558
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:36.000
one oh, Revival in eight,
Burning Palms in twenty ten, Sweet seven,

559
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.519
twenty eleven, Blood Lake, Attack
at the Killer Lampreys in twenty fourteen.

560
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:43.480
I I know because James Colin Bressick
directed that, and he's an acquaintance

561
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.480
of mind. He's a good dude, and he and uh and Shannon Doherty

562
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:50.280
are good buddies. That's awesome.
So they met on I forget what project,

563
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:52.440
and they try to work together every
chance they get. The one thing

564
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.159
I loved about Attack of the Killer
Lampreys is that Christopher Lloyd is playing the

565
00:35:55.159 --> 00:36:00.199
mayor from Jaws. Basically, oh
yeah, like on So then she on

566
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.119
the Heathers TV series in twenty eighteen. It's worth mentioning Attack of the Killer

567
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:08.119
Lampreys was a B movie produced by
Animal Planet. Yep. It was such

568
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:13.239
a fun concept. They just threw
that in with all the Animal Planet content.

569
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.280
They did two other ones. I
want to say, because it was

570
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.360
Blood Lake, and like two other
titles that I can't think of, and

571
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:21.920
it's one of them Aquarium of the
Dead. It might have been well,

572
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:22.639
no, I don't know if it
was a Quarium with the Dead. But

573
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.000
they were all done through asylum.
Yeah, I think they're all done through

574
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:29.039
asylum. So the Riverdale in twenty
nineteen, Fortress in twenty twenty one,

575
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.280
and Hot Seat in twenty twenty two. Shannon Doherty, I know, also

576
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:36.199
was recently I believe, diagnosed with
I think MS. I want to say,

577
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:38.199
like she's having a rough time right
now, but a hell of a

578
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:42.800
body of work for the short time
even that she really started on screen to

579
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.480
be honest too. Yeah, no, I mean she definitely has done a

580
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.519
lot. Yeah. So Heathers is
I mean a cult film to a tee.

581
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.760
You ready to get into this in
dissect, Let's do it, but

582
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.519
not with it gently with a chainsaw, gently with a chainsaw. So we

583
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:00.760
open as we see the Heathers all
enjoy refreshments and they're playing croquet, and

584
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:05.039
that's Heather Duke who is played by
Shannon Doherty, Heather mcmahra who's played by

585
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:08.159
Lisa and Falk and the Bitch in
the lead of this is Kim Walker.

586
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:12.360
Heather Chandler, Wow, harsh,
Well, why do you speak? And

587
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:19.199
no of the dead she ain't did
yet. Soon. So they're playing croque

588
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.920
and they're having a great time,
and we reveal that Veronica's head is sticking

589
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:24.559
out of the ground as one of
the balls rolls towards them, and that's

590
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:28.960
when we find out that Veronica is
not happy being a part of the click

591
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:32.159
No, no, it's it's symbolic's
she's dreaming about, you know, getting

592
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:36.800
bonked on the head by her friends. I actually kind of wish that the

593
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:37.920
movie had I mean, it did
a few of those, but it kind

594
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:44.960
of veered away from the hyper realistic
imagination moments, the kind of Ali mcbeial

595
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.760
moments. Oh absolutely that became famous
later on. I actually really like those.

596
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:50.840
I wish they'd done them a little
bit more. I mean, they

597
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:52.480
they kind of I think they only
do it like three or four times in

598
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:54.400
the whole film. I don't even
to think it's that many. I think

599
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.519
it might be just two or three, because the only the one that I

600
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.400
always think of is that dream sequence, because that dream sequich is oh with

601
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:04.320
the funeral, Yeah, oh yeah, that's great. So the group summons

602
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.519
Veronica at school the next day because
Heather Chandler wants to speak to her,

603
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.679
and she's asking her to fake a
horny love note to Martha dump truck from

604
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:15.079
Kurt, who is the big football
player of the school. And of course

605
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:16.880
Veronica doesn't want to do it because
she has no beef with Martha, and

606
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:22.599
Martha is is pretty much the punching
bag of this of this school. She's

607
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:27.239
a large, young lady. Yeah, So Veronica reluctantly relates it and drops

608
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:30.760
it on her tray, and Jad
catches sight of Veronica in the cafeteria,

609
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.719
and also Heather is taking Veronica around
because she has to ask all the students

610
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.119
this question in regards to what they
would do if they got five million dollars

611
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.079
but found out the aliens were going
to destroy the planet in what two days?

612
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.840
Two days? Yeah, two days, yeah, which is why I

613
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:45.559
was so weird. So many people
are thinking about her to spend money,

614
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.960
and I'm the only ones saying are
like Earth's would your money be worth anything

615
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:52.519
if the world's gonna end in two
days? But and Veronica steers her to

616
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.800
start asking the other students because at
first Heather just wants to talk to more

617
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:58.960
of the popular kids, and we
get the answers that are like, well,

618
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:04.280
I'd give it to my father who's
a master in stockbroker, and then

619
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.719
I give it to poor people,
poor people. So then they start asking

620
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:09.519
and we get things like, uh, I'm trying to get the one,

621
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.079
the one. My favorite is the
stoner where they're just in the bathroom with

622
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:17.000
the stoners and she goes, what, yeah, huh. So Heather gets

623
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:20.519
convinced to interview the rest of the
types and there's just a montage with them

624
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.159
talking to it. Martha, in
the meantime, gets the note and goes

625
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.840
up to Kirk, who unfortunately just
starts laughing in her face with everybody,

626
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:30.119
and she becomes the laughing stock of
the cafeteria. Yeah it's pretty sad,

627
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.880
you know, But on a plus
side, he's played by one of the

628
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.840
leads of Night of the Demons.
Yes that's true. Yeah, yes,

629
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.639
that's true. So the cafeteria roughs
in laughter except for JD and Veronica,

630
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:43.599
and Heather questions Veronica if she really
wants to be a part of this click,

631
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:45.719
because she can see that she's distraught, and the Heather's noticed that Veronica

632
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:51.079
is also being eyed by JD from
across the cafeteria. That's when Heather mcmaarra

633
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:54.320
tells her who JD is and they
go over as he introduces herself, and

634
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:58.280
Jad asks if she is one of
the Heathers and she says, no,

635
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.440
I'm a Veronica. And he is
dark and brooding, is dark and bruder.

636
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:06.320
My gosh, his hair is so
jet black. Yeah, that light

637
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.519
cannot escape it. It's a dead
star on top of his head. So

638
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:13.800
Veronica asked him the same question,
and or she goes to ask him and

639
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:15.800
she's like, an ask you a
question, it might be stupid. He's

640
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:17.000
like, there's no such thing as
stupid questions. So she asked the five

641
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:20.760
million dollar question. He's like,
that's the stupidest question I've ever heard.

642
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.400
So then he makes an answer of
that he would figure out that he'd probably

643
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:28.159
roll out to the lake with a
bottle tequila and his sacks and some back

644
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:30.320
and just watch the world end,
is what he says. And that's so

645
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:35.719
deep, so deep. Meanwhile,
a couple of football players, Kirk and

646
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.599
Ram, noticed that JD is talking
to Veronica and they do not like that,

647
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:43.599
so they go over to him,
and they ask him a very insulting

648
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.199
question about Uh, I don't even
know how to word it. Go on

649
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:50.719
the hard F word, if if
they allowed the hard F word in this

650
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:54.480
hard word? Yes, which F
word is that? David? The three

651
00:40:54.559 --> 00:41:02.000
letter one or six letter depending on
how you wow Dave geez. They call

652
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:06.760
him a gaze slur. We've all
been to heigh school, you get gay

653
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.159
slurred. Yes, that's what the
high school experience was back then. And

654
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:13.119
Jadie comments back by, well,
I guess there's no shortage of assholes in

655
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:14.880
here. And they are getting ready
to go beat him up. And then

656
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:17.360
jad stands up, drawing a gun
and fires it. Yes, and then

657
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:21.360
it cuts right away to make you
think for a moment, yeah, that

658
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:27.440
maybe he murdered them, but unfortunately
no he uh not yet, not yet.

659
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.000
But they the Heathers, are then
talking at Veronica's houses. They played

660
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:32.880
croquet and they say how they were
surprised he was only suspended, but Veronica

661
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:37.199
reminds him it was just blanks,
which I always loved that, just blanks

662
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.119
in a real gun. Yeah,
just that he brought to school, but

663
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.519
just blanks, just blanks. And
they're giving Veronica shit because she's clearly interested

664
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.760
him, and Heather makes a brutal
croquet move, knocking one of her friends

665
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:50.000
out of the way because one of
the Heathers is like, you know,

666
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.400
you could either take your two shots
or you can knock me out of the

667
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.159
way, and she decides to just
take the ball and knocks it happen.

668
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:59.960
She knocks Shannon Doherty's characters ball,
like across the yard. Across the yard.

669
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:02.760
So Heather reminds Veronica that the Remington
party is coming up and then if

670
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:06.679
she blows it, it'll be Kegger's
with the kids all next year, So

671
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.400
this is a big deal that they
have going up. Veronica's parents then come

672
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:13.360
home and they're sitting down having some
pate. So the rest of the girls

673
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.440
leave and we get some of the
best exchanges between her and her parents.

674
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.239
Oh well, they're they're hilarious,
but they're also kind of sad. Yeah,

675
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.599
yeah, yeah. So she sits
down and her dad is reading his

676
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.280
spy novel and he's like, why
do I read these novels? And she's

677
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:28.880
like, because you're stupid, because
you're an idiot. Because you're an idiot.

678
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:32.880
Oh right, So then she says, good, great pata but I

679
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:37.360
got a motor if I'm gonna make
it. And Heather and Veronica are stopping

680
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.840
at a convenience store on the way
to the Remington party and guess who enters

681
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:44.840
if it's not JB. And what
I like about this scene is the fact

682
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:49.599
that the two richest girls are running
to get a slurpye and some corn nuts

683
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:54.280
barbecue, yes, barbecue playing her
BQQ. So yeah. They end up

684
00:42:54.280 --> 00:43:02.400
having this like loving meet cute in
the convenience convenience store as he offers to

685
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:07.760
buy Milady a slurpee Slurpee and then
he talks about how he's traveled a lot,

686
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.159
He's had to travel around a lot, but how the zippy martyr whatever

687
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:15.639
you are, is always wherever And
that's when he reveals that they are in

688
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:20.960
Sherwood, Ohio, which doesn't exist, but it may as well. So

689
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.119
he gives her a slurpee and the
two of them exit and then they arrive

690
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:27.119
at the Remington party. Not JD, this is just Heather and Veronica,

691
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.599
and Veronica has a voiceover in a
journal basically stating that she wants to kill

692
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:34.079
Heather, and through this point we
see kind of a montage of scenes that

693
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:36.760
are showing how the party went,
and it wasn't. Well. No,

694
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:43.599
there's basically a whole lot of drinking
and annoying frat boys and coerced sexual activity,

695
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:49.719
which also says a lot about Heather
though, because Heather wants these guys

696
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.400
to like her, wants to make
a splash that she because she's terrified.

697
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:58.119
In my opinion, she's mortified about
the idea of not being king shit when

698
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.599
she gets to college. She's so
afraid that when she goes to college,

699
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.519
she'll be just like everybody else.
And for the record, we should say

700
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.239
she's only a junior. Yeah,
yeah, because she brags that, you

701
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:08.760
know, I'm only a junior and
I own this and everybody loves me,

702
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:13.599
and I own this school. So
we see that Veronica is persuaded by a

703
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.400
guy to have sex and she tries
to deliver a monologue to him, but

704
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:19.800
then he just gets so crash.
He's like, you don't you don't deserve

705
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.599
my spech. She's like, I
have a speech I give to my suitors

706
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:24.760
when I'm not really ready. Listen, I've had a really good time.

707
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:27.320
And he's like, look, I
just want to get laid. She's like,

708
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.840
you're not even worth the speech.
And before that, she she was

709
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.039
playing with matches and she threw one
into a mug of like some papers or

710
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.079
whatnot, and throws it out into
the mug caught on fire because she realized

711
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.719
she was drinking way more alcohol than
realized. Yeah, so she throws the

712
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:43.360
mug out and so there's the trash
can fire, and that leads us up

713
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:45.239
to the scene where she's just not
feeling good, like she feels like she's

714
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.760
nauseous. She finds Heather in the
hallway and she's like, can we go?

715
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:50.960
And Heather's like, what are you
crazy? And she's like, I'm

716
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.519
gonna puke and she's like not saying
anything, and then all of a sudden

717
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:58.119
just leans forward pukes all over heather
shoes. Yes, and then they go

718
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:04.280
outside yea, and we get this
amazing moment where we see Veronica in front

719
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:07.559
of this trash friting trash with this
like look on her face of rage,

720
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:13.719
and it's so good, so well
thought out, and at that moment she

721
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:16.760
goes from just sort of hating Heather
in her diary, which by the way,

722
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:21.360
she's always wearing a monocole while she's
writing her diary, great touch,

723
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.239
But now her diary is just straight
up like I want Heather to doe Heather,

724
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:30.199
Heather all thea like Heather must be
stopped is basically what she says.

725
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.239
And Heather tells her that Monday morning, she's history because she took her to

726
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:35.480
a party and what did she get? She got paid in puke. And

727
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:37.920
that's when Winoda Ryder delivers the line
of lick it up, baby, lick

728
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:53.360
it do you even? Movie will
be right back, welcome back to do

729
00:45:53.559 --> 00:46:01.199
you even movie? So that when
she wraps up her journal, Jad even

730
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:05.920
climbs in Verona's windows, surprising her
and asking her about a game of crochet,

731
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:09.119
or keep saying crochet, crochet.
Dave loves a good game of crochet.

732
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:13.000
We see them playing. We don't
see them playing croquet, but we

733
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.639
see the balls laid out. The
uh, I can't think, I want

734
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:19.280
to say paddle, but the mallelet
mallet, thank you, The mallets are

735
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:22.039
laid out and a pile of clothes
because we found out they played strip croquet.

736
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:27.280
Ah, yes, the classic strip
croquet, and Jad is very happy.

737
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.559
Veronica expresses her desire to kill Heather, but evens with telling him that

738
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.599
that won't solve anything, but instead
she rather see her puke. So the

739
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.639
next morning they decide to sneak into
her house because her family is I think

740
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.239
it visiting Grandma at church. I
think they say, yeah, they're away

741
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:44.159
for some some very convenient reason.
Yeah, and she knows that Heather's going

742
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:45.840
to have to hangover. So they
sneak into her house and they're gonna concoct

743
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:50.800
her a drinking. Veronica just wants
to make her puke and Jadamedia is like,

744
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:54.719
what about some dreno. He's a
little rust cleaner, little rust cleaner,

745
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:58.239
So they start making a little bit
of a cocktail. I think she

746
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.000
said it was gonna be like milk
and coke, and it was milk and

747
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.519
orange juice. Yeah, to make
her rauph But while she's getting that ready,

748
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:09.679
JD sneaks off and basically cancox the
drno into like a cream dispenser.

749
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:13.800
It looked like or it was just
a mug with a lid on it.

750
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.199
Maybe it was for salt or sugar
or something. Yeah, because she takes

751
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:20.760
it and he's like and realizes she
shit to one one and doesn't say anything

752
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:22.880
to her. So they go into
her room and Heather is of like,

753
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:24.800
okay, what a surprise, and
Veronica is trying to make peace with her,

754
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:29.679
but accidentally, you know, they
end up giving everything. The creamer,

755
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.679
which is the rust remover. She
drinks it and says corn nuts and

756
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:39.079
then crashes through the very quick death, very very fast, very and very

757
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:44.280
startling because she falls right through a
glass table, glasses everywhere, and at

758
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:45.920
that moment we may have forgotten to
mention what well, well, no,

759
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:52.239
we mentioned it briefly. Veronica's superpower
which keeps her loved by the Heathers is

760
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:57.400
her ability to copy handwriting. Handwriting. So now to cover their tracks,

761
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.920
yep, you gotta write a suicide
note. And that's because JD spots a

762
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:06.079
copy of the bell Jar spark Notes
on her floor and gets the suicide ideas.

763
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.199
So they're crafting her suicide note.
And we see the school board meeting

764
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:12.400
the next day discussing how to handle
Heather's suicide, and we meet missus Fleming,

765
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.320
who is the art teacher or I'm
guessing literary teacher. I don't know.

766
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:19.239
She was some kind of an arts
teacher, and she's basically saying,

767
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:21.360
you know, we need to bring
the students in the staff together. But

768
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:22.159
of course nobody wants to hear it, and they're just like, you know,

769
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.960
we're gonna give the students their time, but we we don't have time

770
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:28.599
to deal with this right now.
Yeah, And it should be mentioned that

771
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:35.960
the suicide note was like super Hike
are contrived and super hoity toity fancy,

772
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:38.599
no one truly knew me. That's
why I must go. And they also

773
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:43.199
have the line about she misspelled myriad
on our less vocab test and that's and

774
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.920
that's one of the words she uses
it in the suicide note, and the

775
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:50.440
English user says, like she did
use the word myriad correctly. So the

776
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:52.519
other Heathers in Veronica talk in the
locker room about her passing, and we

777
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:59.039
see that Heather Duke, who is
Sheen and Doherty's character, she has an

778
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.480
issue with Bilimia you found out earlier
on because Veronica helps her puke, and

779
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:06.159
so we just see her going to
town on Chicken Bone like she feels like

780
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.679
free, and the Heathers are going
through her locker and they give Veronica her

781
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:12.320
swatch because she would want her to
have it, and then Veronica just goes

782
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:16.360
well because she always said you couldn't
access and as Yeah, so then Veronica

783
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:19.800
just goes over to the shower and
just starts standing out of the shower in

784
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:22.639
her clothes. Which I always love
that scene because it's a really good scene.

785
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:23.960
Yeah, it just it just feels
like at that point, she's just

786
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:28.320
so overwhelmed and just doesn't know what
to do. Yeah. Well, there's

787
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.800
also that moment when they're all in
the classroom together. Yeah, and one

788
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:35.039
of the guys is like, I
went out with Veronica a few times and

789
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:37.480
she left. She stopped seeing me
because she said I was born. But

790
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:45.400
now I understand she just wasn't happy
with herself. And Veronica starts laughing wheneverybody

791
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:51.119
looks she goes, turns it into
crying. It's so good, so good.

792
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:53.480
So she stands under the water,
and then we hear them off about

793
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:57.320
the suicide. Note. Then we
go to JD's house where Veronica and JD

794
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:00.559
are watching all the coverage of Heather's
down on TV, and of course they've

795
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:04.880
noticed that Heather Duke is on multiple
channels, so she spoke to multiple TV

796
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.480
stations. Oh yeah, no,
I mean, and and the teachers even

797
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.320
mentioned at the beginning of it all, they're like, they're like this can't.

798
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:15.599
We can't just ignore that she was
extremely popular. So they're all having

799
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:20.880
different emotions, and Veronica goes on
to admit that she did technically kill Heather

800
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:22.920
Chandler, but at the same time, maybe there is some good coming out

801
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:27.000
of it. And Veronica then meets
JD's dad, which is one of the

802
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.239
strangest characters in this film. I
don't know if he was strange. I

803
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:35.719
think that their relationship is just clearly
like adversarial, yeah, because like JD

804
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:37.480
talks to him like he's the like
he's the kid, and the father talks

805
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.199
to him like he's the dad.
They do a role reversal because he walks

806
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:44.159
in he goes, hey, son, how is school? And he goes,

807
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:46.679
uh, good dad, how is
work? You know, it's very

808
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:52.079
it's kind of endearing until you see
how that it's really just that they they're

809
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:55.760
basically telling the other how they wish
they would act, yeah, which is

810
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.400
pretty harsh. Well, and we
also need to mention that JD's dad is

811
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:04.679
in demolition of buildings. Well,
he's he's uh sort of yeah, sort

812
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:08.159
he's in he's in the real estate, the real estate business, and has

813
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:14.840
done some things that very shady thing
some well shady here, maybe not in

814
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:21.559
Palestine. Why did I say that? I don't know, Oh you did,

815
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.760
Dave meant it? Uh Jesus.
So Veronica excuses herself because they're having

816
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:30.559
her favorite spaghetti with lots of oregano, lots of oregano. And Veronica goes

817
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.480
to meet with her parents and they're
discussing Heather's suicide and they ask when they're

818
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:36.719
gonna meet JD. And she says, great, pate, but I got

819
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.320
a motor if I'm gonna make the
funeral. So now we're at Heather's funeral.

820
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:40.679
I love that she always says got
a got a motor. Yeah,

821
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:44.239
it always says great pate. I
love that. Yeah, Well, because

822
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:46.920
that's the thing, is there?
Everything in her life is repetitive, Yeah,

823
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:52.840
except JD. JD is the newness. He's different. He's different from

824
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:58.800
everybody. He wants to do different
things. Now unfortunately doing different things apparently

825
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.800
is starting to be an awful lot
of murder. Murder murder is murder?

826
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:06.519
Is his his talent, I would
say, or his hobby? If not

827
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:08.920
both, I mean I would say
he's good at it. Yeah. So

828
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:14.039
at the funeral, the priest played
by the late Great Glen Shaddocks is going

829
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.840
on and expressing about how young people
need to stop with their MTV and turn

830
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:22.400
to Jesus. He says that what's
to blame his MTV video games, which

831
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.760
is even better, So I guess
he's specifically only referring to the Beavis and

832
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:30.199
butt Head games. Yeah, so
he's talking about how they need to turn

833
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:32.280
to Jesus for all their answers,
and talks about heather suicide notes and points

834
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.840
out all these things. So then
we get to see a little montage of

835
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.400
each student going up and having a
voiceover as their Overheather's corpse. Oh my

836
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:42.440
gosh, yeah, voiceover. Because
they're they're praying, praying, they're praying

837
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.440
to God, and they they range
from like, you know, they're all

838
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:50.000
selfish, they're all selfish. My
favorite is Ram oh yeah, because he's

839
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:52.320
just like, uh, God,
like, why'd you have to take such

840
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.840
a hot piece snatch? And then
he's like, I'm just kidding. I'm

841
00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:59.960
just kidding anyway, ye Like it's
so funny. He says I'm just kidding

842
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:02.400
twice because he takes two like crass
comments in this prayer. So they're all

843
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:06.800
having different emotions and Then Veronica goes
up and she admits that, you know,

844
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:08.480
I didn't technically kill Heather, but
who am I kidding? You know,

845
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:10.719
God, I hope you can forgive
me for this, and you know,

846
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:15.760
I hope Heather rest in peace.
And then we see outside that there's

847
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:17.719
two nerds walking past Curt and Ram
and one of them steps on the foot

848
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:22.360
and they well, we should mention
real quick Shannon Doherty's Heather, Oh yeah,

849
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.239
real quick. Her response is she
just says, like, God,

850
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:29.840
I know I prayed for Heather's death
a lot, again and again and again,

851
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:36.000
and now you so I really like, thank you God like which which

852
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:38.159
is just so telling of where she's
headed. So yeah, but now yeah,

853
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:42.239
so they're outside. Then one of
the nerds steps up on john foot.

854
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:44.400
He flips him off and tells him
to sit and spin, and that's

855
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.320
when he gets chased, and they
just start beating on them and also making

856
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:49.679
him admit that he likes to suck
dick, which is one of my favorite

857
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:52.599
goals. No makes some likes to
suck big, big dicks, and then

858
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:55.360
he goes, all right, all
right, you like to suck big dicks,

859
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:59.320
and then they just beat the shit
out of there, JD rides past

860
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:02.760
and they both plane exchanged glances,
and Heather convinces Veronica to go hang out

861
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:06.360
with brand tonight because he's so good
at, you know, dealing with the

862
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:08.679
emotions and being there for her.
And Veronica makes the comment of I really

863
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:13.199
just hope we don't end up in
at a pasture tipping cows and smash cut.

864
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.159
That's exactly what they're doing. And
that was the first time I felt

865
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:19.519
like this actually cared about its Ohio
setting. Yeah. Look, I'm from

866
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:22.320
Ohio. We have cities, we
have big cities. We have a lot

867
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:27.360
going on, but there is cow
tipping going on as well. And double

868
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:30.800
d here, I mean he's from
a more country. I'm from the city

869
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:34.239
actually, and Dame's from more Way, more farm, whole area. Yeah,

870
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.039
and uh, I'm shocked that you
won't admit you went cow tip.

871
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:38.840
I've never been countipped. I know
several friends who have gone cow tipping,

872
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.280
but I have never gone. You
want to name them? No, right

873
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.159
now, there's I think the statute
of limitations like cow tipping is four years.

874
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:49.360
Four years? Is that what it
is? So Heather convinces Veronica to

875
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:51.559
go hang out with them. We
smashed cut to them, and of course

876
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:55.599
they tip the cow and manure just
flies all over Veronica in Heather and JD

877
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:59.760
actually stops by and he kind of
and he he's kind of put off at

878
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:01.039
first because he's like, why are
you hanging out with these? With these

879
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:04.840
it's a double date, Yeah,
with she with the Heathers. Yeah,

880
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:08.039
but here's the thing that is worth
mentioning that the movie because it is a

881
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:12.880
very black comedy. Yeah. Literally, Heather is out in the background with

882
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.159
her oh my god, and he
is just straight up date rapier. He

883
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:19.400
is just like holding her arms down. She's fighting and struggling, and no

884
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:22.960
one's reacting in any way to it. They're just ram tried to talk to

885
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:25.480
Veronica, like trying to be like
all smooth, but he's so drunk he

886
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:28.920
can't really even get his words out. Yeah. No, well I don't

887
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:31.440
think he could when he wasn't young. That's fair. That boy was not

888
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:35.679
going to school to study. He
was going to school to throw the old

889
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:38.360
pig skin. So JD invites her
for a slushi, So they ride off

890
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:42.119
together at school. The next day, they're going over the school newspaper and

891
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:45.239
Veronica walks in for a lunch time
pull, but also finds out they're doing

892
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:49.480
a whole two page layout for Heather
and they have the suicide note featured,

893
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:50.960
and they're like, you know,
do you have some art that you can

894
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:52.079
contribute? And she's like, this
is a little morbid, is it.

895
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:55.760
He asked if she has any poems
or things that Heather right the road,

896
00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:00.119
because Heather was, you know,
a real brain trust. And she also

897
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:04.639
finds out that Kurt is spreading rumors
that him and Ram had a sword fight

898
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.599
in her mouth last night. For
those who don't understand, David, would

899
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:12.719
you please make sure people know what
that means? No fair. Yeah,

900
00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:16.199
So they're spreading rumors that they had
some kind of a menage three. Yeah.

901
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:22.800
Uh. And Heather is of course
mortified. Yeah, but this hatches

902
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:28.280
a scheme, it doesn't She calls
which which was Kurt. Kurt. She

903
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:31.519
calls Kurt and tells him that she's
been thinking about that all those things that

904
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:35.119
he said he did, that she
wants to do them. She wants to

905
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:39.559
so she wants to meet him and
ramp out behind the school at dawn dawn,

906
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:43.440
which, by the way, if
a woman ever told me they wanted

907
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:45.760
to meet me, at dawn.
I would just assume I'm gonna die.

908
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:47.800
Yeah, Oh yeah, I would
do, I mean for real. So

909
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:52.960
so JD then reveals that they they're
gonna basically scare them, but they're not

910
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:59.280
gonna use blanks this time. They're
gonna use GOLIGERI yeah, I don't remember

911
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.000
what he call. Like, that's
some bull crabble made up thing that these

912
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:06.960
bullets were developed in World War Two. Yeah, and his grandfather snatched a

913
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:09.519
few. Yeah, And that supposedly
they just break the skin, Yeah,

914
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:13.159
and scary. I think I think
he said they have blood effects. I

915
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:15.880
think that they they tranquilize and they
have bloo effects. I think is what

916
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:17.119
he said. I think he said
that they just break the skin, but

917
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:21.159
then they don't penetrate it, so
it looks like you've been shot, when

918
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:23.239
in reality you're just hurt a little
bit. So, which is the dumbest

919
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:25.920
thing I've ever heard. So he
tells her this, and Veronica, believing

920
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:29.679
him, agrees to go along with
it, as JD shows her also the

921
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.039
supplies he's bringing along and he's going
to stage it that Ram and Kurt are

922
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:37.519
gay lovers that couldn't be together,
and and in there he has gay poor

923
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:42.880
ye, but then also things like
like uh, well, the funniest one

924
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:47.679
is the mineral just a bottle of
mineral water, and and she's like mineral

925
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:51.159
water. It's like yeah, and
she's like, come on, that's come

926
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:53.119
a long way. Everybody. He's
like, hey, this is Ohio.

927
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:55.840
So if you're not holding a bruski, you may as well be wearing a

928
00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:00.559
dress. Which is a great line. It's such a great line. So

929
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:02.079
the next day in the woods,
Ram and Kurt meet her and she has

930
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:06.000
them standing in a circle. She
has two circles apart from her and she

931
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:07.800
has which may as well have been
a big act me act no shit,

932
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:10.119
yeah, And she's like, you
know, go ahead and strip. And

933
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:12.639
he's like, well what about you, And she's like, well I thought

934
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.280
you could rip my clothes off.
They're all into it, so then she's

935
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:19.920
like okay, at the count of
three, so she starts counting down and

936
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:22.039
on three, JD pops out from
the tree, shooting Kurt right in the

937
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:24.840
throat, dropping him to the ground. Veronica pulls out her gun, firing

938
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:28.840
and missus Ram and Ram goes running
off and JD is like, you missed

939
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:30.639
him, and she's like, yeah, it's fine, we just scared him.

940
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:32.079
And yeah, She's like it's fine. It was worth it to see

941
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:35.599
the clok on his face. Yeah. So now he has to chase him

942
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:38.119
down because it's obvious this is a
murder. This is a murderer. And

943
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:42.880
now as he's running off, she
notices Ram is dead as a door fucked.

944
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:45.480
I mean he is, he is
gone z out And I forgot that

945
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:47.960
this part. I forgot this part
in regards to her being being the murderer

946
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:52.000
on the second one too, because
so he chases Ram and Ram makes his

947
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:54.159
way back around to Kurt's body,
and that's when he tells her shoot and

948
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:58.039
so she kills both or she kills
him, and they killed the other.

949
00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:00.679
So they both did each well.
Well that was in order to in order

950
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:04.760
to make it look like a murder
suicide, you had to make it because

951
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.440
the idea is that they shot each
other, so it was like a mutual

952
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:10.599
suicide. So they had two different
guns, so one had to be shot

953
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:14.239
by one gun and one had to
be shot by the other. So now

954
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:16.800
as soon as that happens, we
reveal two cops are sitting in a coper

955
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:22.079
smoking weed and they're like no,
I'm pretty sure that was a gun shot.

956
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:23.639
So they run out to go check
it out. They find the two

957
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:28.719
dead jocks, and one of them
thinks he hears something. He hears them,

958
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:30.400
and we see Veronica and JD running
off and he chases them for a

959
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:32.400
little bit, but he never catches
sight of them. They make it back

960
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:35.800
to the station wagon, climb in
and make it look like they're making out,

961
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:37.360
and the cop comes to him and
he's like, hey, you better

962
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:40.320
get back here. He's like,
I've found something. And that's when he

963
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:45.679
comes back. Remember he says,
he's like, he's like, I think

964
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.599
he's like stop chasing. I think
I figured I figured out exactly what was

965
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:51.440
going on here. And then he
walks up beholds up. He's like,

966
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:54.719
he goes, they were facts.
Sorry, that's what he says. What

967
00:59:54.760 --> 01:00:02.440
he says, and that's just the
fact that that's exactly what the mineral water,

968
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:06.960
yeah said before he looked at any
of like the gay stuff. And

969
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:12.519
they also put like lady singers,
Yeah, music from the postcard from Judy

970
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:15.159
Garland or something like that, something
like that. Yeah, it's like really

971
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:17.480
really silly. So the next day, Veronica and jad are asleep in the

972
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:20.599
car, or maybe it's that,
maybe it's later that morning, I think

973
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:22.599
about it. So they're a sleep
in the car in the parking lot of

974
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:24.920
the high school, and she's coming
to terms with the fact that they've just

975
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:29.199
committed murder and JD is more accepting
of it. Veronica is not. She

976
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:31.360
actually takes the car lighter and burns
her hand to make sure she's not dreaming

977
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:37.159
yeah, And then he, as
any romantic gentleman would do yep, lights

978
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:42.440
his cigarette off of her buffer burned
off or burned. So she realizes she's

979
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:44.960
not dreaming, and jad reminds her
that she did it. She wanted to

980
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.000
believe it, so she did,
and she argues that that's not what she

981
01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:51.280
wanted, and they have this really
ridiculous back and forth of did not,

982
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:53.639
did too, did not did too, And of course the two Veronica or

983
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:58.039
the two Heathers walk up and they
see them fighting, and that's when they're

984
01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:00.360
informed that school is canceled today because
of thescovery of Kurt and Ram's body.

985
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:05.599
Because Curtain Ram killed each other they
were gay love lovers. So at the

986
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:08.800
funeral Kurt's Kurt's dad confesses that he
loves his dead gay son, and they

987
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:13.440
have the caskets next to each other, not just have their caskets next to

988
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.599
each other, but they're in their
full foot football regalia with their helmets on.

989
01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:23.000
And it's a scene stealing moment where
he does I love my homosexual son,

990
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:28.400
I love my dead day son.
It's a really great scene. And

991
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:32.639
then a really important moment that is
after he says that Christian Slater's character leans

992
01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:36.360
over to Veronica and says, like, do you think he'd care if his

993
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:39.239
son had a limp wrist if it
still had a pulse. And Veronica laughs

994
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:44.199
as she's laughing, a little girl
who was probably the little sister of one

995
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:45.960
of the guys who died, because
she's like an eight year old girl,

996
01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:50.599
turns and looks at the laughing person
with a face full of tears, and

997
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:54.599
at that moment, Veronica realizes this
is real. This is real. This

998
01:01:54.639 --> 01:02:00.119
isn't a game, this isn't a
joke. These are real lives. Yes,

999
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:01.480
you may not like these people,
Yeah they might be dumb or whatever,

1000
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:06.440
but like, killing them is not
the answer. Something I have often

1001
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:10.159
said in public situations where people are
getting in fights with each other, especially

1002
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:13.880
when I was younger and would hang
out of bars and shit. When people

1003
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:15.119
would get really shitty with each other, I would go, hey, hey,

1004
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.719
just take a breath, and remember
they got like a mom and dad.

1005
01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:22.639
Yeah, like they are just like
you. You know what, I

1006
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:25.559
sound like my fucking stepdad. My
stepdad would do stuff like that. If

1007
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:29.639
if you got out of hand,
He's like, hey, hey, here's

1008
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:32.559
a perspective, and you'd be like, oh yeah, Like even when I

1009
01:02:32.599 --> 01:02:36.000
was five or six, you would
just you would just slam that down and

1010
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:37.320
you'd be like, oh and sometimes
you need that. I mean, and

1011
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:43.440
unfortunately I've become the world's hispanic stepdad. Sou But no, that's something I've

1012
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:45.760
done. Like when people have gotten
into big arguments about politics especially or something,

1013
01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:49.559
I'm like, hey, hey,
hey, you may not like them

1014
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:52.639
and everything, yeah, but like
someone loves them. Yeah, like they

1015
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:55.599
just like you. If they died, somebody would be very sad. Your

1016
01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:59.559
mother would cry, their mother would
cry. So just like, take a

1017
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:05.320
breath and go do something else with
your freaking day. Yeah, do you

1018
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:16.039
even? Movie will be right back. Welcome back to Do You Even?

1019
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:23.800
Movie? So Veronica journals about the
effects of the situation being not what she

1020
01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:28.519
expected, and she ends it with
am I going to prom? Or Hell,

1021
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:30.880
that's a good line, well that
the line about I'm gonna have to

1022
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:36.840
send my SATC instead of Princeton.
So back in the school board office,

1023
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:38.960
the school decides they're gonna listen to
missus Fleming and they're gonna go forward with

1024
01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:43.239
the discussion of bringing the students and
the staff together to come together for the

1025
01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:45.840
suicide talk. At lunch the next
day, Pauline Fleming tries to bring the

1026
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:50.400
students together as a TV crew rushes
into the cafeteria. All the students are

1027
01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:53.719
joining hands. The TV crews cannot
get enough of it, cannot get enough.

1028
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:59.880
So telling of what many of us
have kind of learned about media in

1029
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:01.760
the last ten years. Yeah,
which is I mean, if it leads,

1030
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:08.000
it, it leads. So you
got these uh, these mostly white

1031
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.760
affluent kids all crying and sobbing.
It's like, get those cameras right in

1032
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:15.840
their faces. Everybody wants to see
this, everybody, And of course JD

1033
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:18.000
comes in and he's really pleased himself. Yes, Veronica is it is good

1034
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:21.920
for him and she's just taking it
everything from the crowd and she's just mortified,

1035
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:25.039
like this is not what she wanted
it at all. She's like this,

1036
01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:29.440
they're even more popular now that we've
killed them. When I agreed to

1037
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:32.840
commit murder, I thought it would
be different. Yeah. So she walks

1038
01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:36.159
out of the cafeteria. Later,
at JD's house, Veronica confronts JD about

1039
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:40.440
what they've started, and his dad
comes home, showing him a video of

1040
01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:44.039
one of his most recent demolitions,
and he talks about how he put a

1041
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:46.599
igniter in the bottom that hit the
other two to make the building go down.

1042
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:51.039
Yeah, there was an igniter and
then the uhmal Yeah, like thermal

1043
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:56.239
charger charge. Yeah. And and
at that point we're getting a big foreshadow.

1044
01:04:56.360 --> 01:05:00.480
Yeah, and also fricking JD's grin. Well, and you know,

1045
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:05.480
you look at that moment where basically
what Veronica is being disgusted by is is

1046
01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:14.880
now these kids were so liked.
Yeah, that suicide has become cool trend,

1047
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:18.960
a trend to the point where people
may start copying, yeah, exactly,

1048
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:26.519
which is a real concern when let's
let's get dark. Okay, when

1049
01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:30.920
you were in school, did any
of your students die by suicide? We

1050
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.679
had one, Yeah, yeah,
we had one. And what happened in

1051
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:35.840
the school I mean, yeah,
I don't need to know the details of

1052
01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:41.880
somebody dying. They they had they
had a half day basically because the other

1053
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:45.400
half of the day was reserved for
the counselors to go around and talk to

1054
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:47.360
students that were either directly affected,
whether they were friends or whether they were

1055
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:54.480
acquaintances and whatnot. But they did
a lot of internal discussion with with most

1056
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:57.719
of the students that wanted to talk, and then they also made it available

1057
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:01.039
that if students just weren't able to
contend with the day, they could also

1058
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:04.280
lead for that day too. Yeah, in my school, we had a

1059
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:09.199
hanging which was claimed to be accidental, but it most likely was not.

1060
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:16.039
And yeah, there's the real risk
of a domino effect of kids because kids

1061
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:19.400
aren't complicated, you know, if
you want to know anything about children,

1062
01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:23.800
And I don't have children, but
I was a lonely kid, and I

1063
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:29.079
was a kid that needed adult attention, yeah, very badly. And I

1064
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:33.639
can tell you right now everything about
kids is the Karate Kid? What is

1065
01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:39.400
the Karate Kid? It is simply
a movie about what happens when an adult

1066
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:43.400
takes interest in a child. That's
all it is. It doesn't matter that

1067
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:48.079
it's about kung Fu. What really
mattered was Miagi cared about Daniel and I

1068
01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:53.360
love that movie yea, And I
love that even in Cobra Kai. That's

1069
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:59.280
still the point, still the point
adults taking interest in children. So when

1070
01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:04.400
kids lost, when they feel like
they have no way out, and then

1071
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:12.159
they see that others who took their
own lives got loving tributes and all this

1072
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:17.039
stuff, they start thinking in that
way. And I can say my life

1073
01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:21.159
was was rocked by a suicide.
I'll never be the same after losing my

1074
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:25.880
best friend to suicide. It's the
worst thing you can do to the people

1075
01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:30.639
you love. It's the worst thing. And that's that's why I would like

1076
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:32.760
even when people say, like,
what if you were like horribly ill,

1077
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:35.840
I'm like, I don't know.
I still don't think i'd do it because

1078
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:39.639
I just remember the way it made
everybody feel when when it happened to me

1079
01:07:39.679 --> 01:07:43.199
and my family. So, uh, not to get super heavy, I'm

1080
01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:47.920
just saying like, but suicide is
it's such a powerful thing that it ripples

1081
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:53.360
through everything. It ripples through families, that ripples through communities, it ripples

1082
01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:58.360
through all of it. Because we've
all at some point had a dark thought

1083
01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:01.880
or two, so we all identified
with that momentary desire to be like,

1084
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:04.039
I just wish I'd have to do
this anymore. Yeah, I just wish

1085
01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:09.519
I didn't have to wake up tomorrow. So it's a real fear in schools.

1086
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:13.199
And now this school is having,
you know, two more suicides pop

1087
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:15.159
up, and they're also really popular
kids, all within a week's time.

1088
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:19.680
It is really really bad news for
this well off school. Yeah. So

1089
01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:24.079
JD's dad shows this demolition video and
describes it to him. We just see

1090
01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:28.239
kind of JD get this big grin
on his face and his dad leaves takes

1091
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:31.039
the tape with him, and that's
when JD reveals that his mom walked into

1092
01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:34.039
one of the buildings two minutes before
the demolition went off, right in front

1093
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:38.079
of her father, like in way
like wave to JD, yeah, which

1094
01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:42.840
is yeah, yeah, she literally
chose to die the way this guy was

1095
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:46.279
you know, bullying the world basically, And we get to see JD start

1096
01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:50.039
to really break because on the radio, one of the most popular songs played

1097
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:54.239
by the band Big Fun, which
is a fictional band in the movie,

1098
01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:57.279
but they're doing a song called teenage
Suicide Don't Do It. It comes on

1099
01:08:57.319 --> 01:08:59.960
the radio and JD turns it up, celebrating it first, and then take

1100
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:03.319
out his gun and blows the radio
away. Yep, very Elvis like.

1101
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:09.039
So Veronica tells JD they're breaking up
and she tries to leave, but jad

1102
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:11.560
starts kissing on her and making out
with her, but she breaks free,

1103
01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:14.800
telling him to don't come to school
and don't mess with me if you're gonna

1104
01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:16.640
do this, like, just stay
home and be crazy with yourself basically,

1105
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:21.279
which is a great moment, but
of course there's that. There's also that

1106
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:25.239
moments like yeah, I'm sure he's
reasonable enough to take that. Yeah.

1107
01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:29.079
So we next see j D at
school talking to Heather Duke, Shanna Doherty's

1108
01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:31.840
character, and he has a picture
of her and Martha Dumptruck as kids because

1109
01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:34.800
they were friends. JD admits that
he's blackmailing her, but not for her

1110
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:38.359
money, because she offers him a
week of her lunch money. He wants

1111
01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:42.079
her to step up as the new
Heather Chandler, and at this moment,

1112
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:49.319
Shannon Doherty's Heather becomes starts politicking the
school. Yeah, he has her old

1113
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:51.840
bow as he gives her the old
bow as a gift, like for for

1114
01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:56.640
the heather look, and he also
gives her a petition because Big Fun wants

1115
01:09:56.680 --> 01:09:59.880
to play a prom they just need
a bunch of signets steers from the students,

1116
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.520
and she goes around lying about what
the signatures are for gets all the

1117
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:08.239
signature for him. But now all
of a sudden, he's basically her campaign

1118
01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:12.760
manager. He's the one feeding her
things to do. And meanwhile, all

1119
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.640
this is happening, I believe we're
coming up on dump truck, right,

1120
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:18.079
yeah, yeah, so please take
it. So later that night, Veronica

1121
01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:20.840
calls Betty, one of her old
friends over played by Renee Estevez. Mind

1122
01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:25.239
you, I love that Renee Estevez. We actually saw Betty earlier in the

1123
01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:27.920
film. She was one of the
cafeteria that Veronica got to talk for the

1124
01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:30.720
Million Dollar Question first, and she
questions why Veronica isn't going to knock her

1125
01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:32.840
ball out of the way in the
game of croquet, and she's like,

1126
01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:35.000
you know, it's not my style, and then she encouraged her to do

1127
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:38.760
it. Right as she does it, the Heathers walk up, and we

1128
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:42.399
established earlier that they were good friends
when they were little kids, but they

1129
01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:46.199
grew apart, and that's something I
wanted to mention real quick, and I

1130
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:48.760
like, how I'm going to extend
the show as my voice is failing.

1131
01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:55.479
But you went to a pretty small
school district, right, small issue.

1132
01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:59.039
So I'm guessing, did you only
have one elementary school? No, we

1133
01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:03.319
have multiple elementaries. Yeah, we
have. So there was once there's four

1134
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:08.720
five technically because wow, the one
got changed into a sixth grade building,

1135
01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:13.800
so the elementaries are now kid through. So well, my point is that

1136
01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:16.319
when I didn't think that they would
have that big of a school. Yeah.

1137
01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:21.760
So my point is that you had
this thing happen in bigger areas where

1138
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:27.600
uh, when you got to middle
school or junior high whatever, everything gets

1139
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:29.960
pushed. Everybody gets pushed together in
one building. All of a sudden,

1140
01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:33.279
there's a flood of brand new people, and it really kind of forced you

1141
01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:38.119
to grow out of friendships pretty quickly. Absolutely does. Okay, I didn't

1142
01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:40.199
know if we would have that in
common, but yeah, so there were

1143
01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:42.560
a lot of friends I had that
I remember. It was like, oh,

1144
01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:44.960
we were friends back when we went
to elementary together. But then once

1145
01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:47.880
middle school happened, there were just
so many more kids and and you'd get

1146
01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:51.000
separated by classes too. It didn't
matter if you were the same age,

1147
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:55.359
you might never see each other anymore. Yeah, and that's what I kind

1148
01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:58.680
of got the vibe about her and
renaeste as his character. So the Heathers

1149
01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:03.600
show up and immediately Renee's Betty's character, Betty is out of her because the

1150
01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:08.800
Heather's are mean. Yep, and
uh. We cut to Martha dump truck

1151
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:12.720
alone in the gym and she's drinking
a soda and it just rolls right all

1152
01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:15.760
over her and she just looks completely
defeated. Veronica then finds her mother and

1153
01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:19.119
father inside watching coverage of the schools
together in this program, and we cut

1154
01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:24.560
together to see Martha walking into traffic
with a suicide note tape to the front

1155
01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:28.039
of her chest. Veronica goes and
shuts the TV off, confronting her mom

1156
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:30.399
because she's like, you know,
this isn't This isn't what you guys think.

1157
01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:32.119
It is, like, this isn't
something that you should be watching because

1158
01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:34.840
this is a big issue. This
is why aren't we like talking about this

1159
01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:38.680
more basically? Yeah? And why
are we just making this like it's a

1160
01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:41.399
It's like we're almost celebrating it.
Yeah, And her mom and her go

1161
01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:43.479
back and forth for a little bit, and I can't remember the line that

1162
01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:46.560
she delivers. It's really good about
people. Oh. She says that children

1163
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:50.880
or teenagers always want to be treated
like adults, but generally that's in reaction

1164
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:56.079
to actually being treated like a trunk, Yeah, a dolt. So then

1165
01:12:56.119 --> 01:13:00.319
we find out from Martha or from
Heather Duke, that Martha's suicide attempt wasn't

1166
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:02.199
successful and that she laid literally in
front of the street waiting for cars to

1167
01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:05.199
go over her. And she says
that she's trying to imitate the popular people

1168
01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:10.159
at the school, causing Veronica to
slap Heather Duke. Yes, slaps her

1169
01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:13.239
a good one, slaps her a
good and now she's got an ice pack

1170
01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:16.479
on her cheek. Yeah. And
so they're sitting in her room and she's

1171
01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:20.279
apologizing to her, and that's when
they realize that Hot Problems is a radio

1172
01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:25.000
show that's on that these students call
in hot props, excuse me. So

1173
01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:29.000
her and Heather listen as they hear
Heather mcmarra call in trying to give a

1174
01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:31.159
fake name, and she eventually decides
on tweety because she looks at a burden

1175
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:34.239
her room. Yeah, but she
first says her name is Heather. Yeah,

1176
01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:38.199
and then she says all of her
life is falling apart. The last

1177
01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:42.560
boy she slept with turned out to
be gay and and killed himself, all

1178
01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:45.439
of this stuff. I hope to
be the head cheerleader and now that's not

1179
01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:49.119
going to happen. Yeah, And
meanwhile, Veronica is mortified, and Heather

1180
01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:53.159
is thrilled, thrilled. She's like, I'm gonna crucify her tomorrow, and

1181
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:57.000
she does because we immediately cut to
the next day and poor little Heather is

1182
01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:00.600
written on the board in the classroom
and Veronica's voice over tell us that Heather

1183
01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:03.720
told the entire school about her call
in. Yeah, and we just see

1184
01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:08.000
that, like, Heather is so
distraught at her desk, So Veronica realizes

1185
01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:11.600
that nothing has changed, and she
realizes that Heather has also left the classroom,

1186
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:14.479
so she chases after and we see
that Heather is trying to commit suicide

1187
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:16.279
via pills in the bathroom. She
stops her, and I love Heather's line

1188
01:14:16.319 --> 01:14:18.159
where she goes, what are you
trying to do? Kill me? And

1189
01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:21.439
Veronica goes, what are you trying
to do? Sleep? Yeah, she

1190
01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:25.960
took a mouthful of sleeping pills.
Yeah, So she convinces Heather not to

1191
01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:28.720
do it's showing her friendship. It's
a really sweet scene. Heather actually leans

1192
01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:30.000
her head on her shoulder and you
kind of see the two come together.

1193
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:32.960
Yeah. It's a really sweet moment
and one of the moments where you start

1194
01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:35.840
to realize Veronica is kind of coming
full circle. Yes she is. So.

1195
01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:41.079
Meanwhile, JD is burning photos of
dump Truck and Heather and Martha,

1196
01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:44.239
telling her that the Teenage Suicide Band
wants the Problem to play. He gives

1197
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:45.920
her the list and for the students
to sign, and we see her signing

1198
01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:49.560
then a montage. That's when Heather
is then found by Veronica, who tells

1199
01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:53.439
her the students of all signed and
Veronica reveals that you know you did it

1200
01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:55.439
with fake things, like you told
them that it was gonna be a pop

1201
01:14:55.439 --> 01:15:00.479
machine in the lounge and all hot
up in the cafeteria. Yeah. So

1202
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:03.720
she asks Veronica like what if she
aska Heather what her deal is, and

1203
01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:08.359
Heather basically states that she reveals it
was Jad's idea, and she questions the

1204
01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:12.119
jealousy because of her and JD talking
about whatnot. Veronica goes to hit her

1205
01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:15.319
one more time, but she stops
her and Jad comes down from the steps,

1206
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:17.720
asking Veronica she wants to go out. Veronica confesses that at that point

1207
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:20.199
she is thinking about killing Heather Duke, but she can't do it, and

1208
01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:24.239
Jad says that he's way ahead of
her. She elbows him away from her

1209
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:26.640
and tells her that it's over,
and JD begs for her to come back

1210
01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:30.399
as Veronica walks away. Yep,
but now Veronica is on the war path

1211
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:33.159
to stop the madness. Yes she
is. So Veronica comes home to find

1212
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:36.039
j D has told her parents about
the concern that he has that she's going

1213
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:39.760
to kill herself, and her dad
even gives her a letter revealing that JD

1214
01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:44.640
has perfected Veronica's handwriting. Yeah,
which is terrifying. Yeah, so scary.

1215
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:46.560
And they basically say like, we
can't allow you to be around sharp

1216
01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:55.319
objects or prescription medicine or closed garage
doors. Do you even? Movie?

1217
01:15:55.319 --> 01:16:10.520
Will be right back, welcome back
to do you even? Movie? So

1218
01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:13.239
she goes up to her room and
she finds a doll with a big fun

1219
01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:16.159
T shirt that has a noose around
it, and we see JD outside the

1220
01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:19.680
house smoking a cigarette waiting. He
sneaks into a room reading a passage from

1221
01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:23.239
Obi Dick. Because one of the
things we forgot to mention is that as

1222
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:25.960
Heather leaves that second time, she
gives her copy of Movie Dick to him,

1223
01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:29.039
says that she doesn't need to do
yeah, and he decides he's going

1224
01:16:29.079 --> 01:16:32.279
to highlight certain elements of Moby Dick, Yeah, to make that her suicide

1225
01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:35.279
note, Yes, so that it'll
be clear that Moby Dick is full of

1226
01:16:35.359 --> 01:16:40.840
highlighting of sad things and stuff like
that. And Veronica just wants the madness

1227
01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:44.000
to add well, I love it
because she's just in the fetal position on

1228
01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:45.640
her bed and JAD comes in and
she's like, get the fuck off my

1229
01:16:45.720 --> 01:16:49.119
bed, you psycho. Yeah.
Well it took her long enough, but

1230
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:53.199
fair. Yeah. So he sneaks
into her room reading the passage. Veronica

1231
01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:56.760
calls JD a psychotic and he says, I embrace it. JD goes down

1232
01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:59.680
to the kitchen because he's looking for
a knife because they're gonna slit Heather Duke's

1233
01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:02.680
wrist, and that's when he gets
into this whole little dialogue that he has

1234
01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:05.680
in regards to the world as a
shitty place and that we're doing the good

1235
01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:10.359
work for people, and we see
him immediately go to a bedroom where Heather

1236
01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:15.840
Duke is passed out. He shuts
the door and he does it. Yeah.

1237
01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:18.479
So we cut to Heather's funeral and
we see the priest from before,

1238
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:21.520
played by Glenn Shaddocks, and he's
holding up his copy of Moby Dick and

1239
01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:24.760
stating, like, you know,
the underlining of Mobe Dick and how it

1240
01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:28.680
led to her to mize And we
see all the funeral attendees as Veronica enters,

1241
01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:31.199
are all wearing white gowns and three
D glasses. Yes, it's it's

1242
01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:36.039
clear that it's a spectacle, yes, but it's like an impressionist artistic spectacle.

1243
01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:40.720
Yeah. And and at that point, I mean, everything is surreal.

1244
01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:45.119
She's laying in a bed full of
a coffin full of what looks easter

1245
01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:51.640
a Easter basket grass, and she's
then greeted by the original chanler. Heather

1246
01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:55.399
Schandler comes up to her and she's
commenting on the low attendant, saying that

1247
01:17:55.399 --> 01:17:59.079
she had at least seventy more at
her funeral, and she says the afterlife

1248
01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:00.680
is so boring. But then she
lifts up this pot of holy water and

1249
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:03.039
she says, by the way I
made your favorite spaghetti with a lot of

1250
01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:06.399
a regno and takes Veronica's head shoves
it in, revealing that it's all a

1251
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:11.199
nightmare as Veronica wakes up, which
makes sense that would be a nightmare.

1252
01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:14.920
So Veronica wakes up and she goes
to her journal saying that she's gonna stop

1253
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:18.760
JD. We then see JD sneak
into her room and finds Veronica hanging from

1254
01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:24.560
the ceiling and now is when business
picks up. Business signs her body hanging

1255
01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:27.600
there. He starts confessing to her
that he had hoped that he could turn

1256
01:18:27.600 --> 01:18:29.479
her around. He was going to
kill her. He says, I mean,

1257
01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:30.560
I mean, it came in here
to kill you, but well you're

1258
01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:33.479
gonna do it if I couldn't get
you to, you know, team up

1259
01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:39.000
with me. Then he admits that
what he's really planning, yes, is

1260
01:18:39.039 --> 01:18:46.000
to demolish the school because what everybody
signed was actually mass suicide, mass suicide

1261
01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:49.640
note. And his whole thing is
this is going to start a revolution.

1262
01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:55.800
Yeah, the entire world will see
that one entire school said they will not

1263
01:18:56.039 --> 01:19:00.840
participate in this empty headed society and
blah blah. Woodstock for the eighties A

1264
01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:08.279
wood stock for the eighties and my
lord, I mean so downstairs, her

1265
01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:11.720
mother calls to her for dinner and
JD sneaks out her mom enters and sees

1266
01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:13.560
her hanging, and she's like,
I guess I should have let you get

1267
01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:15.319
that job at the mall. Veronica's
head snaps up for reasons. She's like,

1268
01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:18.840
but I was afraid you'd come home
really later, so Veronica's head snaps

1269
01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:21.239
up, revealing that it was a
fake out. We see that she's actually

1270
01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:25.479
got the linens tied around her so
it never around her, had a harness

1271
01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:29.079
around her waist to keep her from
actually hanging on her neck. So that's

1272
01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:31.000
when we see that JD is in
his room. His dad calls to him

1273
01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:33.159
and he tells him not right now, sport. He's kind of busy as

1274
01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:39.560
we see him taping dynamite sticks together. Yes, and now huh boy,

1275
01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:44.520
howdies? So here we go.
Veronica rolls into the school as the Fleming

1276
01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:47.640
states that Jay missus Fleming states that
Jad said she committed suicide. We see

1277
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:50.920
JD then enter with a giant bag
and he makes his way up the steps

1278
01:19:50.920 --> 01:19:55.359
as she hides watching him. JD
goes into the bathroom takes out one of

1279
01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:59.000
the taped up plastics and puts it
near the toilet, and we see him

1280
01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:01.159
sneak out as Verona is following him. She gets to a really cool shot

1281
01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:04.079
that I've always loved about this,
the empty hallway. Oh yeah, yeah,

1282
01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:06.920
very very soul. She comes to
the empty hallway and she's just looking

1283
01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:10.560
around. There's no one. Either
they're in classes or they're getting ready to

1284
01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:14.520
be dismissed. And we then see
that JD has made his way out to

1285
01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:17.920
the gym and he's taping explosives there
as well under the bleachers because his plan

1286
01:20:18.079 --> 01:20:20.479
is to get them when they all
go to do the pep rowley to the

1287
01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:24.439
pep rally, so we see him
setting the tier. Verona talks to Rodney,

1288
01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:27.359
figuring out that JD is rigging more
explosives in the boiler room because she

1289
01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:30.680
finds out the boiler rooms below the
gym. She confronts him in the basement,

1290
01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:33.079
pointing a gun at him and calling
him out for doing a demolition just

1291
01:20:33.199 --> 01:20:38.039
like his dad did. Yeah,
yeah, daddy's boy. So she confronts

1292
01:20:38.079 --> 01:20:40.960
him with the gun and JD tries
to get the gun from her, knocking

1293
01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:43.600
her out briefly, and then the
process. He goes over to the boiler

1294
01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:46.039
room and begins more prep putting more
explosives everywhere we see. A bomb has

1295
01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:49.840
one minute in forty four seconds.
As Veronica comes to finding JD, she

1296
01:20:49.880 --> 01:20:54.479
ambushes him with a fire extinguisher.
JD fights her and plans a kiss on

1297
01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:57.039
her, and she kicks him,
running to grab the gun again. JD

1298
01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:00.359
just asks is it is this the
thing that she wants to just because she

1299
01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:01.680
thinks she stopped it or started it, does she think that she can end

1300
01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:05.279
it? Yeah? Well, and
he's still hoping that she's drinking his kool

1301
01:21:05.279 --> 01:21:09.920
aid. Yeah, he really thinks
she is. So she asked how to

1302
01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:12.600
turn off the bomb. JD flips
her off and tells her fuck you,

1303
01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:16.640
and he loses that middle finger she
fires that she shoots his middle finger off

1304
01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:19.359
in one of the best moments of
the movie. To me, I was

1305
01:21:19.439 --> 01:21:24.520
just like, holy hell, yeah. Yeah. So JD suddenly emerges or

1306
01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:28.119
JD goes down on the ground and
she is like, how do I turn

1307
01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:30.079
the bomb off? And he's like, try the red button, revealing that

1308
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:31.960
all three buttons are red button.
Yes, all three red buttons. So

1309
01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:34.000
he goes, you know, what
if you really want to stop it.

1310
01:21:34.039 --> 01:21:36.239
That's the middle one. And she
shoots him and goes, you know what,

1311
01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:40.239
I really want cool guys like you
staying out of my life. She

1312
01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:44.520
shoots him again, so JD goes
to the ground. Veronica ets it the

1313
01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:48.319
school and she's just beat up.
She's got a stains all over her dirt

1314
01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:53.239
and everything in blood, and we
see JD suddenly just stumble out telling her

1315
01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:56.520
he's impressed. She really fucked him
up pretty bad and she has power that

1316
01:21:56.560 --> 01:22:00.000
he didn't count on. And we
then see that he has now the bomb

1317
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:01.680
strapped to him. Yeah, he
now has that timer strapped to him.

1318
01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:05.119
He sets it for forty five seconds. Yep. He walks out into the

1319
01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:09.520
front of the lawn. Here the
slate is clean. Slate is clean,

1320
01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:14.000
and then he gives himself a nice
Jesus, gets his arms out wide and

1321
01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:15.079
he asks Veronica, like, if
you knew that you were gonna die,

1322
01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:18.600
what would you do? And she
just goes into her pocket pullsuse she's just

1323
01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:21.479
gonna watch this fuck her. Yeah, she doesn't. That's one of my

1324
01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:27.239
favorite things. She doesn't turn away
for a second. She just watches him

1325
01:22:27.359 --> 01:22:30.479
explode. So j D reddies and
he's blown up right in front of the

1326
01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:32.399
school. The pep rally going strong
is rocked by the explosion, as we

1327
01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:38.039
see Veronica grinning as smoke is just
all around. This is worth mentioning,

1328
01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:41.479
so we don't see him exploding stills
off camera. Yeah, and when we

1329
01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:45.279
come back to her, it's almost
it's almost looney to She's gonna be all

1330
01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:48.960
over her face and she's just standing
there and I think the cigarettes half burned.

1331
01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:53.760
Her cigarettes burned all the way all
the way to the okay, I

1332
01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:57.439
thought so. Yeah, so the
school just starts rushing out. She goes

1333
01:22:57.439 --> 01:22:59.880
in, finding Heather Duke, who
tells her she looks like hell, and

1334
01:22:59.920 --> 01:23:02.119
she says, thanks, just got
back. She turns Heather around, removing

1335
01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:05.039
the bow from her and tells her
there's a new sheriff in town. Veran

1336
01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:08.720
I think. Then goes up to
Martha, who is on a scooter with

1337
01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:10.920
the neck brace, and she says, you know proms next week, you

1338
01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:13.960
want to get some videos, pop
some popcorn and just hang out. Martha

1339
01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:15.600
says she would like that, and
the end credits start rolling as we see

1340
01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:18.199
the two walk down the hallway together. And I love that Martha's just kind

1341
01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:21.000
of driving around. Now she does
like a she circles her a little bit.

1342
01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:25.760
It makes her laugh. And that
is Heather's from nineteen eighty eight.

1343
01:23:26.560 --> 01:23:31.079
What a film, What a ride? It really is just the I remember

1344
01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:33.319
the first time I watched it,
I was just kind of shocked of the

1345
01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:38.640
places that it goes. Well,
it's dark, it's very very dark black

1346
01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:43.279
comedy to the tea. Yeah,
no, it is a dark, dark

1347
01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:46.760
comedy. And I would say it's
played. I don't think it's played for

1348
01:23:46.840 --> 01:23:50.239
laughs as much as I was expecting. Yeah, And I could definitely see

1349
01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:54.560
that because I think as the movie. I think as the movie goes because

1350
01:23:54.840 --> 01:23:58.119
once, once the first death happens
with with Heather Chandler, it's it's so

1351
01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:00.000
kind of comedic in the way that
she goes down because it's so quick and

1352
01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:03.039
also just like oh shit, no
she's dead. Yeah, And then from

1353
01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:05.119
there it's just like once the death
start happening, you're like, this is

1354
01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:08.560
this is where this is going?
Like where we are on a ride?

1355
01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:11.119
So would you like to know some
fun things about the movie. I don't

1356
01:24:11.159 --> 01:24:14.520
believe anything is fun anymore. Opened
in theaters in March thirty first, in

1357
01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:17.880
nineteen eighty nine three million dollar budget. What do you think the box office

1358
01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:23.359
was? Uh? Not great?
One million? Wow? Man, You'd

1359
01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:27.039
think at least Winona Writer and Christian
Slater could get a little bit more than

1360
01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:30.279
that. You think. In the
original version of the script, JD successfully

1361
01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:33.000
blows up Westerburg High and the final
scene features a surreal prom gathering of all

1362
01:24:33.039 --> 01:24:36.680
the students in Heaven. Executives at
New World Pictures agreed to finance the film,

1363
01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:40.560
but they disliked the dark ending and
insisted that it be changed. That

1364
01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:43.680
is a very dark ending because he
does at one point say the only place

1365
01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:45.680
where people who are this different can
get along as in Heaven. Yeah.

1366
01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:49.439
So, Winona Ryder, who was
sixteen at the time filming and badly wanted

1367
01:24:49.479 --> 01:24:53.479
to get the part, beg Waters
to cast her as Veronica, even offering

1368
01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:57.039
to work for free. Waters at
first did not think Writer was pretty enough,

1369
01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:59.840
and Writer herself commented, all the
time, I didn't look that different

1370
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:02.479
any character in Beetlejuice. I was
very pale. I had blue black eyed

1371
01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:05.239
hair. I went to Macy's to
Beverly Center and had them do a makeover

1372
01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:09.439
on me. Writer's agent was so
opposed to her pursuing the role that she

1373
01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:12.560
got down on her hands and knees
and beg writer not to take it,

1374
01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:16.039
holy warning her that it would ruin
her career. Eventually she was given the

1375
01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:18.800
role. Brad Pitt read for the
role A JD, but was rejected.

1376
01:25:18.880 --> 01:25:23.560
Christian Slater reports throwing a big tantrum
and tossing his script in the trash after

1377
01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:27.119
assuming he'd bomb the audition. He
was signed to play JD shortly after Writer

1378
01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:31.920
was cast, stating later he channeled
Jack Nicholson in the film. No Prince

1379
01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:35.680
of Photography took thirty three days beginning
in July of eighty eight, on a

1380
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:40.199
budget of three million dollars. Although
set in Ohio, filming was done entirely

1381
01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:45.479
in Los Angeles. No. Originally
the book that suicidal Students supposedly underlined meaningful

1382
01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:48.880
passages from was Catcher in the Ride. That producers could not get permission from

1383
01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:51.720
JD. Salinger to use the book, it was changed to movie Dick because

1384
01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:56.840
Herman Melville's works are all public domain. I mean that checks out. The

1385
01:25:56.920 --> 01:26:00.960
name Heather is said ninety times throughout
the film. Well, I mean there

1386
01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:05.600
are three main characters named Heather,
and finally, Jim Carrey, Judd Nelson,

1387
01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:10.920
and Jason Bateman were considered for the
role of JD. I could see

1388
01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:14.720
all of them doing it. Yeah. Now the real question is, but

1389
01:26:14.760 --> 01:26:16.840
would all of them be pretending to
be Jack Nicholson? Probably not, that's

1390
01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:18.680
too bad. And you made a
good point when we were watching you,

1391
01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:21.199
like you were like, how do
you think it'd be if Jack Nicholson was

1392
01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:25.439
I was like, it'd be weird
because he'd be like forty five. But

1393
01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:30.479
so, final thoughts on Heather's Henrik
Oh, goodness, Well, I I

1394
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:35.359
definitely really liked it. Getting to
revisit it and like really focus on it,

1395
01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:41.199
I think it's very funny. I
think that the screenplay really nailed a

1396
01:26:41.239 --> 01:26:44.720
lot of the elements of what teenagers
are like, yeah, which I think

1397
01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:50.159
is very hard to do. Yeah. The way they had terms and phraseology

1398
01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:54.199
that was like weird and didn't really
make sense, but they all like what

1399
01:26:54.479 --> 01:26:59.520
Yeah, it was very like high
school was So I really liked it.

1400
01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:01.560
I think it has a lot to
say about the youth culture in America.

1401
01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:04.319
I think it's kind of timeless in
that way. Yeah, but it's also

1402
01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:09.399
eighties as shit, eighties as hell, and I'm sorry to say, Dave,

1403
01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:13.319
you can't accessorize for shit. I
can't accessorize for shit. That's fair

1404
01:27:13.439 --> 01:27:16.760
that being said. For me,
this is a rent it yep, but

1405
01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:24.319
with an asterisk. If you are
one of those eighties nostalgia nuts, yeah,

1406
01:27:24.359 --> 01:27:26.279
then you gotta own it. Gotta
own it, you got it.

1407
01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:28.920
And plus, if you're an eighties
nostalgia net, then you love physical media.

1408
01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:32.439
Well it also, it just celebrated
its thirty fifth anniversary and Arrow did

1409
01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:36.039
a phenomenal restoration on it and did
the new release of it. I haven't

1410
01:27:36.039 --> 01:27:39.039
picked it up yet. I actually
think it might be a four K now

1411
01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:42.479
I think about it, because I
think Jerry got it. It looks fantastic.

1412
01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:44.800
I've seen screen grams from it.
It's got a lot of great reviews,

1413
01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:46.520
a lot of great bonus content.
So if you're a physical media nut,

1414
01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:48.840
make sure to check out the Arrow
version because that's going to have the

1415
01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:53.520
most features in the best print of
that film so far. This is a

1416
01:27:53.520 --> 01:27:56.079
staple of high school films. For
me, I think this is one of

1417
01:27:56.119 --> 01:28:00.000
the best of the eighties high school
films. It still sucks in new audiences

1418
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:01.560
every year I find out people find
out about this film, and I'm kind

1419
01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:04.159
of happy about it. Didn't have
it had a series, had a TV

1420
01:28:04.279 --> 01:28:06.840
series in twenty eighteen. Yeah,
and I think it only got one season.

1421
01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:10.520
I haven't heard really great things about
it. But Shannon Doherty did return

1422
01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:13.760
for the series. Nice. Yeah, okay, so but yeah, this

1423
01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:15.880
is the casting's top notch. The
story really sucks you in, and the

1424
01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:19.520
insane turns and the dark humor that's
presented. I mean, this movie is

1425
01:28:19.640 --> 01:28:23.039
one of a kind. Yeah,
I would have to agree with that,

1426
01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:27.000
And yeah, I hate that saying
but you couldn't make it today. You

1427
01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:30.119
could, you could not. And
speaking of movies you cannot make today,

1428
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:31.960
we always like the end the show
with the recommendation I've got to But the

1429
01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:35.640
first one I'm gonna say is is
I can't get out of this episode without

1430
01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:40.159
mentioning this movie. Enrique and I
a couple of years ago, thanks to

1431
01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:44.239
SYNAPS, released a movie called Massacre
at Central High from nineteen seventy six,

1432
01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:46.640
and the story on IMDb says a
high school transfer student, pushed to the

1433
01:28:46.720 --> 01:28:50.319
edge by a trio of brutal bullies, resorts to murder to reclaim the school

1434
01:28:50.319 --> 01:28:55.399
from oppression, and later turns against
the students wanting to fill the vacuum of

1435
01:28:55.399 --> 01:28:58.920
their oppressors. This movie's insane.
This is basically a guy that gets bully

1436
01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:00.279
too far, but then once the
bullies are gone, he's still going to

1437
01:29:00.359 --> 01:29:04.239
take out more people, just keeps
killing. Yeah, it's insane and it

1438
01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:10.600
has a lot of similarities to Heathers, even with the climax the explosion.

1439
01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:13.800
Oh that's a really good point.
I think about that. They actually asked

1440
01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:15.840
Dan Waters a while back. They
asked him if like he had seen Massacre

1441
01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:18.520
Central High and he was He said
he wasn't familiar, but when he when

1442
01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:21.880
he made Heathers. But it was
found out that he did review the film

1443
01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:29.680
in a book that he appeared in
a while Subconscious And the second recommendation,

1444
01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:31.760
I'm gonna get if you want a
movie about a town, not just the

1445
01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:36.119
school going crazy with with a trend, but also just something that ruins their

1446
01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:42.720
life, Assassination Nation, which is
basically what would happen if every smartphone in

1447
01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:45.560
your town was hacked and everybody had
access to everyone's pictures. I did like

1448
01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:50.039
Assassination. It's insane and it's also
a very black comedy, but heavy on

1449
01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:55.920
the black. Bart Well fair enough
because it is violent and it is it's

1450
01:29:55.960 --> 01:30:01.800
it's retributable on that one. Retributable
retribution is what I'm trying to think of.

1451
01:30:02.239 --> 01:30:05.479
Retributable. I don't even know they're
there days. It's fine, did

1452
01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:12.600
what's your recommendation? I actually have
two recommendations. One that I think nails

1453
01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:18.199
the Hell School, which would be
Class of nineteen eighty four. That was

1454
01:30:18.239 --> 01:30:21.560
actually gonna be one of my suggestions. Yeah, yeah, Class of nineteen

1455
01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:29.239
eighty four. It's about a school
in a dystopian reality where the students are

1456
01:30:29.319 --> 01:30:34.000
violent gang members and you can only
hope to survive. And Roddy McDowell plays

1457
01:30:34.039 --> 01:30:41.800
one of the most upsettingly tragic tragic
is the perfect Yeah, yeah, no,

1458
01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:44.560
no, he really pulls up my
heart stringth Yeah. Oh, there's

1459
01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:47.039
one scene that we have to mention
with that where he has he's lost it,

1460
01:30:47.079 --> 01:30:50.680
like he's fucking done with these students
and he's literally teaching a classic gun

1461
01:30:50.720 --> 01:30:54.680
point. Yeah. He's literally holding
a gun on the students and teaching them.

1462
01:30:54.800 --> 01:30:57.760
Yeah. And it takes a lot
to get me to feel bad for

1463
01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:00.520
a teacher. I was. I
did not like school, dropped out of

1464
01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:03.640
high school. I was not happy
being in school in any way, shape

1465
01:31:03.720 --> 01:31:12.159
or form. Yeah, But my
second choice would be to explore the concept

1466
01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:17.359
of youth and the ideas of like
suicide and things like that. Would be

1467
01:31:17.359 --> 01:31:21.920
one of my favorite movies of all
time, which is World's Greatest Dad bobcat

1468
01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:28.039
Golfwaight's masterpiece, which I know,
ha ha, No for real, it's

1469
01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:31.000
a masterpiece. It's called World's Greatest
Dad, starring Robin Williams, and that

1470
01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:38.079
is literally one of the finest films
I've ever seen in my life. And

1471
01:31:38.119 --> 01:31:42.600
it's about a teacher whose son is
a bit of a shithead. He accidentally

1472
01:31:42.680 --> 01:31:45.399
kills himself, so his dad,
who is a struggling writer, writes his

1473
01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:49.760
suicide note to kind of save face
for the family, and the suicide note

1474
01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:56.119
takes the school by storm. He
ends up writing a fake journal. It

1475
01:31:56.159 --> 01:31:59.239
gets published, and all of a
sudden he has all the fame and attention

1476
01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:02.079
he'd always hope, but it's over
something that is a total lie. Yeah,

1477
01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:06.560
it has so much good to say
about human nature. So that would

1478
01:32:06.560 --> 01:32:10.279
be another film I think would be
worth checking out. Yeah. Absolutely,

1479
01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:12.880
And as we wrap up, I
do want to say the heavy theme of

1480
01:32:12.880 --> 01:32:15.079
this episode. If you are somebody
that is struggling out there, there there

1481
01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:18.800
is help. You always have somebody
to contact, the National Suitside Hotline of

1482
01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:23.119
course nine eight eight eight. You
know, if you're struggling, you're not

1483
01:32:23.199 --> 01:32:25.479
the only one. There are people
out there that can help you. I

1484
01:32:25.560 --> 01:32:28.520
personally struggle with it. I know
Enrique has struggles with it as well.

1485
01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:31.600
And you know, the one thing
that I can say is the world is

1486
01:32:31.640 --> 01:32:35.560
better with you in it one hundred
percent. So don't ever think otherwise of

1487
01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:39.479
that. So if you ever are
having problems with that, just please reach

1488
01:32:39.479 --> 01:32:41.960
out to somebody, and you know, make sure that you get the help

1489
01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:44.920
that you need, because we don't
want to lose any more people than we

1490
01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:46.560
have to. Yeah, anytime you
have dark thoughts, the best thing you

1491
01:32:46.560 --> 01:32:50.039
can do is share them with somebody. I have a saying I've been saying

1492
01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:53.640
for a long time, which is, uh, don't let that shit bounce

1493
01:32:53.680 --> 01:32:56.119
around in your head so long that
it knocks over the furniture. Yes,

1494
01:32:56.479 --> 01:32:59.479
that's a great way to put that. So, but that great way to

1495
01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:03.000
end, Heather, Well, but
that is nineteen eighty eight Heathers. Nineteen

1496
01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:05.840
eighty eight, Heathers. And you
know, we we are getting out of

1497
01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:09.399
here. But I do want to
tease next week because we have a very

1498
01:33:09.439 --> 01:33:13.479
special program because we've already done one
watch that I've brought into your life.

1499
01:33:13.880 --> 01:33:17.680
Next week we are going to close
out our February lineup with Romancing the Stone,

1500
01:33:18.119 --> 01:33:24.199
the Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner adventure
that was heavily inspired for the Lost

1501
01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:27.840
City movie that came out with Channing
Tatum and Sander Bello recently. Huh,

1502
01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:30.600
so that is a that is gonna
be our final for the February lineup.

1503
01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:32.800
I cannot wait to show you that
movie. So that's what we got next.

1504
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:34.920
That's one that if I've seen it, I don't know it. You

1505
01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:38.640
may have seen it on kvear.
I'm gonna guess once we start watching,

1506
01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:41.840
there's gonna be some scenes. So
tune in next week when Enrique gets his

1507
01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:45.319
first watch of Romancing the Stone.
Yes, and remember, if you want

1508
01:33:45.319 --> 01:33:50.760
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1509
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1510
01:33:56.640 --> 01:34:00.479
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1511
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1514
01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:11.159
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1515
01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:14.800
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1516
01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:19.239
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1519
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1520
01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:35.840
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1522
01:34:39.760 --> 01:34:43.680
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1523
01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:46.760
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1524
01:34:46.800 --> 01:34:50.479
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You only took a little month and a

1525
01:34:50.479 --> 01:34:55.720
half breakhut up, So until next
time, guys, we'll see you when

1526
01:34:55.720 --> 01:35:00.319
we're talking all about romancing the Stone
right here on do you even movie see?

1527
01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:08.159
I can't hmm.