Hard Rain (1998) – Explosive Action in a Flooded Town!

0:00 The Storm of the century. Oh, we all gonna Dad and the opportunity. We have the money of a lifetime. But you're the sheriff and the what Morgan Freeman Christians Later. Hard Rain Rated R starts Friday, January sixteenth, in a world where podcasts reign supreme. Two Friends Dare to Ask Do You even? Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David de Noyer. Spoiler alert. I know that you know you had the very wholesome upbringings. No, I'm just saying, like you did you know what was the first concert you went to?

1:20 If we're going by the standard of the actual concert first concert I went to, it would have been Aaron Carter at King's Island when I was like six or seven. If we're going by the first concert that actually confirm and will actually stand abide through, the first concert that was been Alice Cooper. How old I would have saw Alice when I was I thank you for a second, Probably like thirteen. I think thirteen when I saw Alice Cooper. That's a little young to see Alice Cooper. Yeah, it's so funny because my dad would have loved more than anything in the world if I had wanted to see Alice, that makes sense. Yeah, but no, my first concert sixteen years old Buckethead. Yeah, God lave that at Bogarts in Cincinnati, and my dad bought the ticket as a gift for my I think seventeenth birthday or fifteenth one of those.

2:18 I can't remember exactly. My early concerts included. So the first one was the like I said, Alice Cooper, which Mom took me to phrase. Pavilion was where I went for a lot of them. So that's where I saw Huey Lewis in the news. That's where I saw Chris Christofferson. That's where I saw I think zz Top was. I think it was my first time seeing zz Top was at Yeah, it was definitely a phrase because it was raining and we were in the nosebleeds. And then I saw Sticks at the County Fair one time. This is so wholesome. I'm trying to think what else. Yeah, I've I've seen Alice ten times. I know that much like he's the one that I've seen multiple times. I've seen Stone Sour a couple of times because I won tickets to one show. I've seen Event sevenfold, a couple of times, but as far as like repeats, I will always go and see Alice for the most part.

3:04 You probably have seen Alice Cooper more times than I've been to concerts. Yeah, I actually would believe that. I mean I I depending on how you define concert, yeah, because I consider concert different than going to a show. Going to a show. A show is like I played shows yeah, yeah, yeah, and went to my friends shows yeah around town. Going to a show is definitely different than a concert. Like I would consider like ex Fest of course being a concert because it's a day of concerts. I would consider it's a concert if you have to pay a ticket master, yeah, basically, or Live Nation or whatever the balls it is. Or if the merch is like forty and up, well, now it really is. Yeah, but yeah, I've probably been to four.

3:47 Did I tell you about the time that we were at the Alice Cooper show at the phrase. This would have been probably like my third or fourth time seeing him, and there was a band that opened up for him called ven Rez, which is still I think an active band of this day. And I remember I may have even said the on the show. I can't remember, but I remember like we were walking to our seats from like coming from concessions, and I was like, Mom, there's Andy Dick, and she's like, that's not Andy Dick. And then halfway through Alice's show, we looked over to the side where ven Rez was partying on the side of stage, and there was Andy Dick because they were friend. He was a friend of the of the band ven Rez. Where was this phrase, Pavilion, I thought you said phrase, but I was, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, Andy Dick was there. Oh, I guarant of course he was. Yeah, Wiley's Jokers Comedy Club because what year with us.

4:29 Been would have been two thousand, like it would have been eighth nine. Yeah, so I mean he was probably there for Wiley Yeah, or maybe I can't remember when Jokers closed. I know he was because he was friends with the lead singer of ven Rez. I knew that much because that's what we figured out. But yeah, it was it was weird seeing him at the show. Well, there are lots especially because we had Wiley's for so long and Jokers, which was joke good, Yeah, exactly, joke good Wet Tornado did. But between those two comedy clubs, they both Wiley's had the reputation of being local and where people like Dave Chappelle started or not started, but like grew a lot.

5:15 A lot of people came through Wiley's. But Jokers was a more corporate comedy club, so they got touring acts like Crazy as well. Oh yeah, because it was joke I went to. I feel like I went to Jokers once, but I cannot, for the life of me, remember why I was there. But I feel like I was there at least once, but I have no recollection. Of why are you sure it wasn't Wyley's. No, because I know Wyley's because we shot there for. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I went there to see Brent Bowser performed. I went there to see my parents couple. Bob and Tom acts there too, So. Yeah, rest in peace. Wiley's so so well. Yeah, I mean Jokers, it sucked that they closed. They basically closed because the Funny Bone was opening, which is, you know, another kind of corporate comedy.

5:59 The Green is the Green. Yeah. I saw Mick Foley do stand up there with Okay Cool, which was really his stand ups re aw good. My favorite thing about his show was that he warned us that the show was relatively family friendly. But in the act there is one F bomb. Yeah, so he wanted to make sure that he was aware. Yeah. So then he does his thing. He talks for an hour, hour and twenty minutes. He's really funny, really engaged, and then he goes, thank you all so much, and then everybody applauds, and he goes, oh fuck, and then he leaves. It was so good. It's pretty solid. No, he's he's truly really funny. It's funny. I have actually not really seen a lot of comedy acts.

6:40 I've seen concerts more than I have comedy acts. I've seen Jason Mughes. I saw him do a live thing out Columbus area. I've seen actually Kevin Smith speak one time as well. Which I wouldn't call that stand up No, I mean mused with stand up McK foley is quasi stand up, more storyteller. I mean, he's very, very funny, but it's just kind of a different mused would stand up Kevin. I mean, anybody that listens to Kevin's podcast or has seen his Evening with Kevin Smith knows it's just him with I. Like his evenings with Kenvin Smith more than I like his movie. Yeah, personally, Yeah, I find him very funny, very insightful. So but that allD to say concerts are they're not a massive part of my life. They're they're expensive, and they're they've gotten way expensive yet, but they've always been expensive. They've always been expensive. Well, I mean they haven't they have it. It's like because like I mean a ticket for x FS was like thirty five bucks back in the day. That's expensive, but that was an entire fucking day for where I came from. That was a lot of money to spend. I mean that was like that was like go to King's Island. You know, like if you're gonna spend that money, you may as well go to like King's Island or something.

7:44 I mean, probably the most expensive was taking my mom to see Elton John. Well, yeah, no, Elton John was expensive because those were well, fuck it was either Elton John or Phil Collins, because Phil Collins and Elton John both were like two hundred dollars tickets. Well, and I believe that, Well, well Phil. Collins, I'm I paid the money because that he's done now, like I mean, he's not doing any more shows. And I mean he even sat ninety percent of the concert and stood up for two songs. I mean, what do you you know? He had just a knee surgery, so well, yeah, I mean Mick Foley stood the whole performance, but then sat the entire meet and greet because I mean the poor guy's knees. Oh yeah, stuff. That was. Apparently he's gotten a replacement since then. So that was when he was still on his original his OEM parts, which had been well used. The funny thing is, growing up, what I was most obsessed with was pro wrestling. Yeah, and I went to a million wrestling shows because I got in to the crew. Yeah makes sense. So I was seeing wrestling shows for free. Every week. We would do occasionally a big show out at the Grand Victoria Casino and I would get comp tickets. We weren't allowed to film those shows because they would have w stars as a gift, like we got one year, we had Caine, one year, we had Chris ben Waugh, one year, we had Booker t We would alway get a big show.

9:00 We had big show one year, and because of that we couldn't film it. We're not allowed to put that on TV or a. Yeah, but because I worked dutifully, I would be given some some cop tickets. There you go. So, because yeah, growing up, if a show wasn't like five bucks, it just wasn't gonna happen, I get. I mean, I mean they were occasional. Well, it's like it did to piggyback off of that. It's like you were the one who showed me that I could actually go to the movies for less than you know, ten dollars. When I moved, we had moved back to Trump Oh yeah about discount. No, I mean like that was the thing. Was I I wentific like I didn't go to the theater very often because when I moved, I mean when I moved away for college and everything, you know, I was by deer Field and all those expensive ass theaters and AMC and whatnot. So I kind of fell out of the movies at that point. And then it was like when you and I started doing Tuesdays and Mattinee Days, I was just like, oh shit, I actually can keep up on these new movies. So, I mean, no, I feel that entirely.

9:54 Well, I was. I didn't go to the movies more than once a year until like two thousand and twelve. Yeah, that's when I started going quite a bit. And then when I became self employed, there was a while there where I lived at the movie theater. I get that. I was never not there. I was almost always at opening shows before I had podcasts to manage. There were two things that were true. Number one, I had a lot more free time, and number two, I did not have much money at all, So that was quite a trade. I get that. But it used to be like, I mean if I was stuck at home working on some project and all of a sudden, I was like, I'm not an impasse, and I look at my watch and be like, I wonder if anything's playing at twelve forty five, and I would just go and watch whatever it was showing.

10:42 Well, it's like I miss I mean, we've talked about before I missed the Dan Barry dollar Saver, because it's like now, I feel like I would absolutely take way more advantage of it than I did back then, because I missed the days of being like, oh I can go rent Gone Girl, or I can just go see it in the big screen, because like they would have that little that time there almost. It didn't happen all the time that it would be at home and at Danburry. Yeah, but it definitely happened here and there. Yeah, but you would also have opportunities, like especially around Oscar season, if a movie got a ton of nominations, Yeah, it would be at Danberry, which was the second run theater. And no. I spent a lot of time at Danbury, and at one point a friend of mine from high school's little brother was running day shift, and they never let me pay for a ticket.

11:26 I mean, granted, the ticket was three dollars a dollar fifty on Tuesday or dollars on me five, so it wasn't the biggest thing in the world. I'd buy some popcorn and stuff like that. But yeah, so, I mean it got to a point where I could go there and know if it was before four o'clock, I wasn't paying anything anyway, and I had a great time watching a bunch of movies there. I definitely miss Danberry. I feel like I would go to our local theater more in Piqua if I just liked those seeds. But I'm so spoiled by where we go for our recliners and everything because they don't have the recliners. Last I they don't have them at pick with that's the pick with cinema. Yeah, I gotcha, gotcha. Because the last thing I saw there was The Batman, which was three hours in a chair that didn't recline and or move.

12:09 You know how you can check if they've switched. Check with my friends. Oh, I mean, or you could just open up your app and act like you're gonna buy a ticket and if it lets you pick a seat. Oh, because the Greens fully converted to these really weird chairs that try to steal everything in your pockets. Yep. Yeah, because instead of just leaning back, they lean back and push your butt upward. So the first time I took Rachel there, like as soon as she sat down, I was like, she was about to recly, like take everything out of your pockets, just put it on the chair next to you or in the couple er. She was like huh and I was like, trust me. And then when we pulled the seats back, she was like, oh man, everything falls. Then you got the tray that slides over you, to which I love, Yeah you would. I mean it's nice because then you could eat a full spaghetti and meat balls dinner while you're watching the movie.

12:49 I may or may not have eaten an entire thing in chicken wings last time I went to the Green. I mean, their chicken wings are actually surprisingly good. They're really good. But the reason I bring all this up is I just recently went to a concert. Yeah, and oddly enough, I saw Buckethead at Bogart's twenty some years late later, and I was looking forward to it. But I'm kind of in a spot right now where work is very demanding and I have a lot of responsibilities work wise. I'm dealing with my taxes right now, which is always a friggin' nightmare. Just you folks out there who get number one get a return, and number two, whose taxes are as easy as oftentimes taking a photograph of your W two, and that's it, You're very luck lucky, especially when you work in the field I work in.

13:43 Like if you make a movie, you're talking about hundreds of itemized deductions, hundreds, and some of them are like six dollars here, twelve dollars there, fifteen dollars here, four dollars there, you know, and then there's like and that's five hundred and that's a thousand dollars. But like all those little items you have to track them, because the IRS doesn't give a fuck about you. They just want you to pay them. They're like the mafia. Fuck you pay me, fuck you pay me. So I used to I remember one time I was I was my mother helps me do my taxes and file them because she's very, very good at it. And at one point I had said, like, I don't know if I should deduct that, like and whatever, and my mom was like, don't cut the IRS a break, because they'll never cut you a break in your entire life.

14:28 So if that can be deducted, and it makes sense, deducted. And it's always hard because because I work in the field that I'm very interested in. It is weird because for years of my life, the things I'm buying for work were things I bought for hobbies. Yeah, So I remember one time being like, it feels weird writing this camera off and my mother was like, what do you do for a living, And I was like, I make movies And she's like, how would it go without a camera, And I'd be like, couldn't and she was like, deduct that fucking expense because it's a big expense to me. And that was when we were in college. We had a teacher that it showed us basically that if you had anything relating to your field, whether it was even a streaming service or if like you had I mean that given that's a gray area, you want to.

15:09 Be careful with that stuff. But like that was that was like shown to us. It was just like, if you have those things for your job in a sense, then yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's I don't write that stuff off because it gets harry. Oh yeah, just like legally I can't actually write off how much of my house I use for work, Yeah, because they just don't allow that much, like. Unless you get ben Affleck in the Accountant. Well I love that scene. Oh that's a wonderful scene. I can't wait for part two, I know. But so my point is just that the reason I brought this up, the reason I said, like, what's the first concert you ever went to, is because I think you probably have a slightly more relatable like musical experience to like the people who are listening to the show.

15:56 I could see that. Yeah, I mean, your your music taste, it he goes a little older. But you know, like like I said, my dad would have loved if I had listened to the music you were a a kid. As I had to remind you recently, I don't have an FM radio in my car, so I can't listen to anything new music at least that's like out on the airwavesun Lets I pull up my ass. Weird because most of us just pretend we don't have an FM radio. Yeah no, right, no, I mean we're literally talking on one of the most disruptive things to radio in the world. We're on a podcast basactly. But that all being said, there's a lot that's said about Buckethead. Some people don't get it. Some people think, oh, he's cool, but like all he does is shred or his music's to whatever. I have always found Buckethhead's music to be highly emotional. There's no lyrics generally, and he never sings.

16:44 He plays. And I got into Buckethhead when I was about twelve or thirteen years old. Yeah, so I was listening to his music ad nauseum all the time. I used to joke that because it's true that friends would not let me bring CDs to parties or in the car because I'd always bring some really weird Buckethead. So when I saw it for the first time, it was amazing seeing Bucketed perform. I had an amazing time. Was the first concert ever went to. I was very nervous. I was afraid to try and get up close to the stage because I just didn't understand anything. And it was in the middle of him being in Guns and Roses, so he was relatively known. It was. It was during Guns and Roses, but before Jordan came out on Guitar Hero. So he did play Jordan because that was actually a concert only song which they then started they he recorded for Guitar Hero. So anyway, so we go down there and we go to the show, and I'm like totally distracted.

17:36 I'm just kind of like, oh, this is cool, but like god, I mean, it's hard to take this time away from work. It's it was a Thursday night, and often Thursdays are kind of my crunch day because I always try to take Friday night off to hang out with my friends. Understandable, and occasionally, you if you're if, I make it. If you're if you're if, you're my friend that day. But we get there and yeah, I'm just kind of like yeah, okay, okay, and then like the lights go down and I'm like cool, and then Bucketeed comes out, and I'm like, this is really cool. It's been a while since I sat and really listened to Buckethead. So then they start doing you know, intro's. Bootsy Collins wife Peppermint Patty came out and did the intro, which was really cool. I wish. I was so sad Bootsy wasn't there though. I ran the first time I saw bucket had Bootsy had a cold, so he didn't perform, but I ran into h the bathroom. That's what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, sounds just like he does on his records. Hey there, Hey Bob, enjoy the show. But he started playing a song and I was like, oh my god. But then the way bucket Head performs is it's almost a medley. Yeah, you get a lot of songs in one song. Yeah, and he plays NonStop for two and a half hours. Yeah, he slowed it down and played Big sur Moon from his album Colma, which I think is his most emotional or his first most emotional album, and I just start sobbing, like I couldn't even help it. I mean, tears were pouring out of my eyes, and I just remembered all the times I'd listened to that song and got something from it, you know, my whole because you got to I mean, I'm telling you it was from Little Kid, and I was just like, holy crap. And then throughout

19:08 the night there were multiple times he would do a song and I'd start crying because I'd be like, oh my god, I love that song. I can't believe he's playing it right now. And I've never really had that because most of the music I grew up with that meant a lot to me was very out of step in multiple ways, either by being very underground or by being really old, like I was into body Count in nineteen ninety nine. They had not been a band at that point for like four years. The metal kid at my school got me into body Count because I think it was a wasp song that he'd like that I had posted, and he was just like, you used to listen to Cop Killer by body Count, and I was like, I should well. The funnest part about that first bucket ed concert was I took my buddy Andy cop and it was wild taking him because he was the person who introduced me to body Count, to Oingo Boingo, mister Bungle, public enemy No I was. I was into hip hop before him.

20:01 For the most part, body Count I just never heard of. Yeah, I knew Iced Tea, but I've never heard of body Count. But he'd introduced me to all these wacky outsider bands camp. I actually found KMFDM before I met him, but that was thanks to the Mortal Kombat soundtrack, which helped a lot of people discover a lot of interesting music. Ramstein for oh really, Oh most people found typo negative from that from Mortal Kombat. I found Ramstein like I technically, I guess I had found Ramstein more so through Triple X because they opened the fucking movie. And du Hastmesh was a gigantic hit and was. The first one I heard, and that was off the Mortal Kombat Annihilation soundtrack. Oh lord. Yeah. Well so anyway, so very long, silly story short, like I was really into Buckethead and Mojo Nixon and uh Oingo Boingo and Stuck Mojo and like none of those bands were touring, and if they were, it was highly limited.

20:51 Oh yeah, it was local to their areas for the most part. Yeah. Well, you know what's funny, I could have seen Mojo Nixon friggin' every month. Yeah, if it been, if I had been old enough. In nineteen ninety eight, when he was living in Cincinnati and performing at Canal Street all the time in Dayton. Typo Negative was apparently performing in Dayton all the time too in the late nineties almost. I know KMFDM played at the Pearl Hmmm, yeah I did hear that? Actually yeah yeah so or no, no, no Switchblade Symphony anyway, I'm digressing too much. I did want I always start with some digression. My point is I have never been hit that hard by a level of personal nostalgia like that. Yeah, And it was really it was a cool experience and I really enjoyed it. But it also was just like wow, Yeah, I was not even like if you had told me, like, you're gonna cry when Bucket plays plays Big sur Moon, I would have been like maybe no. No. The moment, the moment I heard the second riff, I was like, fucking love this song, like I was so happy. So it was a great experience, and I promised myself, I'm going to keep an eye out. Yeah, you should, especially well for Buckethead.

21:58 I've tried to see Stuck Bojo times. I tried to see Mojo before he passed last year this time last year. I tried so hard, but he only plays in Texas and on that cruise right, well, that was new, Yeah, that was that was only two years old, I think, or maybe four something like that. But he would play it south by Southwest with the toad Lickers because his piano player owns the Continental Club I think is what it's called, one of the big venues in Austin. Yeah, he's the owner of it. So he and so the toad Lickers would play there. And I kept telling myself, like, one of these days, I'm just gonna pilgrimage out there just for that, and unfortunately I could not. But now I'm like, man, I know bucketheads come to like Columbus and stuff, and I've missed him, so I'm like, now I'm gonna keep my eye open for that from now on.

22:48 I don't know. I just thought it was interesting because like it's just yeah, the stuff I was into, it's just like, you know, Oingo boing Go is not gonna friggin play you know. I mean, he played Danny played uh what was it Coachella? I think you played Coachella a year ago. Yeah, and that's like the suit Little Latest. Well that's what I mean, and like I just I'm not going to go to it. I'm not going to go through Coachella. Well you can watch online. I did. Yeah, I'm yeah, Now you're right. Yeah. So but you know, if I ever got to see Stuck Bojo live, I would lose my shit. No. I feeling very rare that their original lineup ever played a feel you on them, So I don't know. My point is, it was just a cool experience. I wasn't expecting. But speaking of cool experiences, I was expecting. Mmmm. We just got back from seeing Working Man. We did, and I was shocked. You didn't like it?

23:36 Yeah, you're full of shit, You're a real full of shit. No, I was. I had a bad day at work today. I'm not going to get into it, but basically, we had a lot of technical difficulties that I could not do anything about because I had to get information back from somebody who was not responding. Back to me. I digress. I was looking forward to this all fucking day and Working Man is done by David Ayir, who did be Keeper. It's written by Air Chuck Dixon and Sylvester Salon. Yeah, Yeah. Chuck Dixon wrote the novel, Yeah. Sylvester Salon and David Air wrote the screenplay though, and it is literally Jason Statham's taken. It isn't. It isn't. I mean, it's not his daughter, it's. Not his daughter, but but he is asked to go retrieve his friend's daughter and then he fights Russians and bikers and I mean it's just the movie was everything I wanted out of it. Today I could agree with that, yeah, because I mean we, you know, we previous episode, we did Beekeeper, because last year that just knocked our Dixon the dirt because that movie was just so wild and working Man is Keeper.

24:40 I expected good and fun, but not that good and fun working Man. I'm already ready to go watch it again, to be honest. Geez. Oh, no, I really liked it because I mean, I I told you this off, Mike, but it's like I've been I've been in and out with Statham because I was really the first movie of his I remember seeing was Cellular and he played the villain, and then shortly after that was Transporter. That technically but. Yeah, but no, he was a great in Cellular, and then from there we got into Crank, and then we got into The Expendables, and then we got into his remake of The Mechanic, which is a Charles Bronson film. Originally when I the way I first saw Crank was I was with my buddy Josh Petrino out in Jersey when I lived out there, and he mentioned, yeah, like, you know, they used some of those cameras on Crank.

25:28 We were talking about filmmaking stuff and I was like and I was like, oh yeah, and he was like, have you seen Crank and Crank two? And I was like no, and he was like really And I was like I haven't, and I'm not joking. We're on Long Beachilenge. Yeah. We get in the car and drive across the bridge back to the mainland to a Hollywood video and found them both on DVD. There you Go, and brought them back and he was like, he was like, I'm an orders pizza. You basically had Point Brick of Bad Boys too, which one we watching first. It was it wasn't far off, and I was blown away by Crank. Yeah. So, but it also made me like Jason Statham a lot, because he's you know, i mean, all of the action guys that have lasted have shown that they have a capacity for humor, a capacity for self deprecation. Yeah, all of that. Statham it's like another level. Yeah, I mean, like he can be funny without even winking.

26:24 Well, it's like when I had seen when I had seen Crank and Crank two, I went back then to his guy Ritchie stuff, which is like his first stuff, so lockstock too, smoking barrels, snatch. I mean, he's been in a lot of Richie's films at this point, but The Bank Job was one of his movies which wasn't a Guy Richie film, but The Bank Job was probably one of his best movies in my opinion of all time, next to like Wrath of Man. And it's just a straight up crime drama. Like it's not like even an action movie as much as it's just a straight up criminal story. And he's really good in it. I believe it. I mean, he's just he's good. And I think, though, what put the the nail in the coffin of me ever having a problem with Jason Statham was Paul Fieg's spy Spy Is Good, where he's just this ridiculous super spy. He's a perfect foil to Melissa McCarthy, I mean a perfect foil. And his stories was like jumped out of an airplane, used my own arm to you know, like dislocated my arm and beat the man to death with it.

27:21 You know. He's just like, she's like, how how are how do you have legs? Again, though you'd be like, that's a tough secret, you know, like it was. So it's it's just him and his delivery that make it so much. I mean, because you know this is this is essentially the same team writing wise for home Front. Sylvesteris alone wrote home Front, and that was another one that I cannot recommend enough. That's really really good. Yeah. I cried in the theater because well, not only is the movie emotional, but yeah, because that was within a year of losing his son. It was, and the movie is so it's so clear to me he drew from that mm hm, which is what a good artist does. Yeah. But it's also like all I could think was like, my god, you lose your son and then you write a blockbuster screenplay about fighting every villain imaginable to protect your child.

28:11 Yeah, and then you do Rambo Last Blood, which is just like let's just do a double gut punch. Well that was a million gut punches. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, Workingman, I cannot recommend enough. It's so much fun. It's insane. It's under that two hour mark, just barely. But I was never bored. I was never looking at my watch, and I was absolutely loving the fact that it just went places that I didn't expect it to. Yeah. I liked it a ton. I might like Beekeeper a little bit more. I may have liked the world building in that a little bit more, but it was a little bit well, no, it was a lot more kind of ostentatious, yeah, is a good word for it. But overall, I really I really dug what they did with The working Man. Yeah. I thought Statham, of course, you know, super likable. I liked David Harbor's part, and it was a nice foil.

28:59 To ending just straight up felt like a video game. Like it just felt like you were playing the level of the video game. A lot of these action movies start to feel that way. John Wick is kind of. Oh yeah, I mean John Wick definitely went there, but like this one specifically, I was just like, I've played this level, like on Army of two, I. Played this boss mode. Yeah, but no, but I really enjoyed it too. The the honestly, both it and Beekeeper had a few hokey moments. Yeah, that don't ruin the movie at all. So I can't even really, I can't really complain because Beekeeper was just well it's like who. If I had to like, I mean, you can't really compare the two movies. But like one thing that I that I was not the biggest fan of with Novacane that we talked about last week was I the villain wasn't bad, but I just the villain just kind of felt half baked to me a little bit.

29:43 Well, yeah, I do think that was on purpose. The probably because because the main villain is not what you think he is at all, that's kind of the I mean, we don't want to spoil him, but there's a great twist, the great twist going on. Yeah, it's just it just he got very threatening at the end, but like as far as his build up scenes and whatnot, it was just kind of he felt a bit like he almost felt a little bit like the cold Pursuit villain. Yeah, but he was really scary during the heist. The heist and it's easy, but it's easy to forget to him or was it his partner? It was him? It was him. No, that's and that was what I was about to say. Yeah, he was in a costume. Yeah he only pulled his beard down a little bit, but he was of the entire crew, the kill happy one. Yeah. I remember what raised the stakes and Novakane for me was when they revealed he was the mastermind, because I was like, god, damn, the guy who just was like, oh, guess I got the face. Guess I got to kill the cops too, Like, uh no, I.

30:36 Thought that was the first he thought. That's why. That's why I was thinking. No, no, no, that was just the first guy he could find. Yeah, okay, but no, no, the guy who was killing everybody was that. That's and that's what makes it so scary, because like, as we're seeing him act like a normal guy, it's like in the bank, you weren't a normal guy at all. You had no value for human life whatsoever. And he gets completely unhinged at the end as well. But yeah, working man, I just everything about it worked for me, wasn't It wasn't just the fact that I had a bad day to day and watching Stathum kick the living shit out of human traffickers. I mean, you're allowed to have to have it elevated by having a bad day. And I know I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not. It's why Jackass Number two will always be my favorite Jackass movie. He's the meanest one in my opinion. Well, David, I saw it three hours after I watched my grandmother die in the hospital.

31:21 That's fair, and I needed that. I needed that release. So I remember recent watch of it, because I watched all of them when Jackass Forever came out recently, and I just remember on a recent watch of two, I was just like, they're really just fucking. I'm not denying. All I'm saying is that your movie throwing. What I'm saying is your mood going in. You're allowed to be like and I had a really bad day, so it just hit great because I was ready to have a good time. You know, you're allowed, is all I'm saying. Yeah, but I was more so saying that that wasn't just the sole reason. But yes, no, absolutely. So, no, No, I I do recommend everybody go if you if you like a popcorn sling in action movie. Yeah, you need to go and see a working Man.

32:03 Which has only been out for like a couple of days as the time you're hearing this. So yeah, oh by the time you're hearing it, yeah, because we saw an opening night. So with a working Man out of the way, you know, the weather's been nice, but I'm worried that there might be something on the horizon soon. I full disclosure. Yeah, I thought I was hitting a sound effect. Oh that would make sense, and it didn't. It didn't do anything. Well, that's one. You know what, We're gonna just stop the folly of me, move on, fair enough. We're talking about hard Rain from nineteen ninety eight. The label literally says thunder. Yeah that was not that was a cash redistry.

32:50 Oh thank you, doctor nor I appreciate. Well you can get this two sounds confused sometimes, I know, just being in the line a line at the grocery store and be like, oh, she had a thunder. Does everybody down? This is the big one. But yes, we are talking about hard Rain from nineteen ninety eight. And uh this I forgot how much I love this movie. Really because when I was watching it, rewatching it earlier today with Rachel. You want to know what I described the film as, tell me I described it as a Dave DNA movie. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair because this is and I mean this with no disrespect to Hard Rain. Yeah, this is one of the one of the list of random ass movies that you just adore obscenely. It's dumb, it really has.

33:42 It has several plot holes in it, but I don't mind it because it's just it's so much fun. Yeah, yeah, it's just it's just it's one of those where I'm like, Dave thinks the world of this one. I get Hard Rain cool as ice u s slaughter high. Obviously, I feel like those aren't, you rely as random as Hard Rain. They're just they're just they're just certain movies that you just I mean, I'm sure I have ones too, Yeah, but there are just certain movies that it's like Hard Rain, just hard yes. Oh yeah, And there's nothing wrong with that. Well, no, not at all. So one hour and thirty seven minutes rateed R simply for violence. By the way, there's only one F bomb and you probably remember it. Oh yeah, yeah. IVB synopsis says the partner and nephew of an armored truck driver tries to prevent three million dollars from being taken by a gang during a catastrophic flooding caused by a severe storm.

34:31 Yes, every time I rewatch the movie, I don't know why. I always forget the setting is Midwest. Yeah, and my brain always tells me it's a hurricane. It's a hurricane, Yeah, but it's not. It's not. It's it's flooding and and a levee breaking and stuff like that. It was funny when Rachel and I were watching it. She had mentioned like, there aren't a lot of dams, you know that we hear about here, And I was like, well, we call them levees. It was, oh, yeah, we have a ton of levees. And I was like, yeah, we have a ton of lefs. Because my synopsis says, when an Indiana town floods due to a massive rainstorm, the guard of an armored truck must fight off a violent gang out to steal the trucks haul. Pretty solid. Yeah, So now moving into taglines, Oh dear, in the worst storm in living memory, one guard stands between five men and three million dollars.

35:21 Not bad, A little long, yeah, but that's not bad. Yeah, it's a little wordy. Take a deep breath, you'll need it. That's good. That's a good one. Prepare for hard rain. I'm assuming. I'm assuming that the way that tagline was used was it just said prepare for and then the title was. I think that I. Could say that, I could see that's the title normally be If that's the case, though, they'll do this the dot dot dot and then it'll just not say the title. I'm just it'd be weird to have the title of the hard Rain prepare for hard rain or prepare for hard rain, hard rain. And last a simple plan and instant fortune. Just add water, not bad, not bad.

36:09 Not great. I like that, it's clever. I do like that. I'm honestly just floored by that one, because Wow, yeah's wild. I like that though. So as of this recording, Hard Rain is currently available to stream on Pluto. It's also rentable on Prime and Fandango. And if you can get your hands on the Blu ray, which is out of print now, you are lucky because it is a little pricey. So this is one that you if you don't have it physically, you may want to check it out digitally, and if you haven't seen Hard Rain, stop this podcast right now and watch it. Yeah, I would say it'd be a good IDEA. Director on the film is Mikhail Salmon, who gets his start as a DP in nineteen eighty eight with Stealing Heaven. Goes to shoot Torch Song Trilogy in eighty eight, The Abyss in eighty nine.

36:51 Oh you know, and it's funny because one of the first things I mentioned when I was rewatching it, because Rachel was just kind of hanging out while it was on, was the Abyss about how they dealt with water. Yeah, in the Abyss. Yeah, And then oh, that makes that would be a smart Hire. Goes on to shoot Aractophobia in nineteen ninety, followed by Backdraft in ninety one, then does Far and Away in ninety two. It's not until ninety three he gets his first directorial with Space Rangers, followed by A Far Off Place Hard Rain in ninety eight. Goes on to shoot episodes of Nash Bridges After Shock Earthquake in New York, Soul Survivor the Fugitive TV series reboot in two thousand, Okay, Glimpse of Hell in two thousand and one, episodes of Alias, Band of Brothers, The Agency, Salem's Lot remake in two thousand and four, The Grid, episodes of Rome, Fallen, Nightmares, and Dreamskates, The Andromeda Strain remake in two thousand and eight, Hawthorn Camelot COMA Freezer in twenty fourteen, Falling Skies, Big Driver Damien in twenty sixteen, Criminal Minds, Beyond Borders, The Brave in twenty seventeen six and Last in twenty twenty was Instrument of Hope. Hmmm, so pretty decent resume.

37:58 There, I would say so. Yeah. Writer on the film is Graham Yost, who gets to start writing in nineteen eighty eight with the Chair, Then in nineteen eighty nine writes for a little show called Hey Dude. Real. Oh yeah, Graham Yost did start Hey Dude I remember reading that, followed by Herman's Head in ninety one, The Powers That Be in ninety two, Speed in ninety four, Broken Arrow in ninety six, Speed two, Cruise Control in ninety seven, Hard Rain in ninety eight, From Earth to the Moon in ninety eight, Mission to Mars, Band of Brothers, The Last Castle, Boomtown, The Pacific, Falling Skies, and then in twenty ten, he just happens to create a little series called Justified. That's where I know the name Graham Yost from The Most Is the Most The Most Baby is from Justified, which I consider one of the finest programs on television. Immaculate.

38:44 Then does Sneaky Pete in twenty seventeen, followed by The Grizzlies in twenty eighteen and most recently Silo in twenty twenty three on Netflix. Silo Yeah, Okay. Cinematographer on the film is Peter Menzies Junior. He gets his start as a DP. On nineteen ninety two with White Sands, followed by Posse the Mario Van People film in ninety three. Nice shoots The Getaway remake with Alec ball One in ninety four, Die Hard with the Vengeance in nineteen ninety five, then goes on to shoot Hay Ride to Hell in ninety five, Okay, A Time to Kill in nineteen ninety six, follows that up with Hard Rain, then goes on to do the General's Daughter The Thirteenth Warrior, Disney's The Kid Blessed the Child, Lori Croft, tomb Raider, Kangaroo Jack, Man of the House, Misconnality, Two Armed and Fabulous, Four Brothers, The Great Raid When a Stranger Calls remake, Shooter with Mark Wahlberg, Traveler, The Incredible Hulk Hawthorne, Clash of the Titans, Abduction with Taylor Lautner in twenty eleven, oh Man Playing for Keeps in twenty twelve, Killing Season in twenty thirteen. Have you ever seen Killing Season? By the way, which is John Travolta versus Robert de Niro is like one's a Russian and one's.

39:48 Yes, dude, that movie's insane. I actually really like that movie. Good, It's but it is way out It's out there. No, I actually really liked that movie. Then goes on to Shoot The Expendables three and twenty fourteen, Gods of Egypt, Roots remake, All Eyes on Me, The Bad Seed remake, A Dog's Way Home, The Right Stuff, Peter Rabbit two, The Runaway, and Time Traveler's Wife in twenty twenty two. Okay, moving on down to our cast, we have mister Christian Slater returning to the program from Heathers, who plays Tom in this film. Yes, and this was a would you say this is at his most Christian or his most slater, probably his most slater. Yeah, I have to agree. So he get one hundred and forty three credits to just review a few. We got Legendibilly gen in eighty five, The Name of the Rose, Tucker, the Man in his Dream, Heather's in eighty eight, Gleaming the Cube in eighty nine, which I keep kicking around if that would be.

40:35 An episode or not. You haven't seen Gleaming the Cube where his stepbrother gets murdered for the wrong reasons and he's a skateboarder the right reasons, the right reasons, you know, hard sig. Gleaming the Cube is really hard to find, for one, and I looked into a DVD a bit a while back at my old Fye but it's it's not a good movie, but it's entertaining, Okay. The Wizard eighty nine, Tales from the Dark Side, the movie Young Guns two, Pump Up the Volume, Robin Hood, Prince, the Thieves, Mobsters, Cuffs, Ferngully, True Romance Interview, the Vampire murder in the First Broken Arrow, Hard Rain in ninety eight, then goes on to do three thousand miles to Graceland, Wind Talkers, West Wing Mine Hunters alone, in the Dark, Hollow Man two, My Own Worst Enemy, Entourage, El Gringo, Guns and Girls in Gambling, Nimpo Maniac asked me anything, hot Tub, Time Machine two, The Wife, the Public, Mister Robot, Willow Archer Blink twice in twenty twenty four. Yeah, yeah, and most recently is currently on Dexter Original Sin, which I have not watched yet.

41:30 I'm he's one of those guys. I'm really glad got his career back on track. Yeah, because there was a hot minute there where he was just his name was Mud. I don't think I concluded in the trivia because it was kind of a downer. But right when this movie, at least he was in prison for drugs. Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah, because this was his this was a bit of his rough period right here. Well, I know Fred Ray talked about when he cast him in one of his westerns. I think it might have been had Yield's Bloods. Yeah, yeah, I think that was the one that he was in, and he did it. He was great in it. Yeah. But uh, Fred said that he had gotten like a basically a thank you, like months and months later, because he said that even though it was a very small movie and he only worked a day or two yeah on it that all of a sudden people were back in. They were picking the phone up and calling him because he was working and he'd had you know, good there were good word from that production. That's awesome. And I've always heard he's a really nice person. Same.

42:22 I've had a couple friends meet him. I've heard he's a good guy. So I'm happy, like I'm happy when I see him pop up now in tons of stuff. Yeah, And he's been getting a lot of good TV stuff lately, especially with that Dexter. Series Sleazy and fucking Blink twice. Yeah, as opposed to the wholesomeness of most of the characters. Yeah movie. Moving down to our cast, we have Morgan Freeman, who plays Jim in the film. One hundred and forty nine credits on his resume starting in nineteen sixty four with The Pawnbroker, nineteen seventy one, Electric Company, Blade, Sesame Street, Brubaker, Teachers, Twilight Zone, Street Smart, Clean and Sober in nineteen eighty eight, which is getting a Blu Ray release my birthday month. Oh yeah, man, if only you had an original one she for that movie. I do It still hangs by my bathroom, right by my skin. Deep Original one shot.

43:04 You'm sure I found that for you? You did? Yeah, you texted me, lean on me in eighty nine. Johnny Hansome Driving This Daisy Glory, Robinhood, Prince of Thieves, Unforgiven, Shawshank, Redemption, Outbreak, seven, Chain Reaction, Kiss the Girls, Amistad, Hard Rain, Deep Impact, Nurse Betty Along, Came a Spider, High Crimes, Bruce Almighty, million Dollar Baby Batman begins Lucky number seven, Gone, Baby Gone, the bucket List, The Dark Knight, Red Olympus has fallen. Now you see me, Lucy Ted two Going in Style, The Poison Rose, The Comeback Trail, and most recently Lionesse in twenty twenty three. Oh yeah, And wrapping up our cast for now is mister Randy Quaid, who plays Sheriff Mike Ah.

43:44 What can be said about mister Randy Quaid? First off, one hundred and twenty credits, which I did not realize. Oh yeah, he were easy. He did for a bit and then something happened, So he gets this started nineteen seventy one on the Last Picture Show. Then goes on to be in an episode of Night Gallery, What's Up, Doc? The last Detail Breakout, The Choir Boys, Midnight Express, Foxes, The Long Riders in nineteen eighty which I'm gonna take a second if you have not seen The Long Riders and you're a Walter Hill fan, Western fan, either any of those. The Long Riders is one of the best Jesse James brother like the James Brothers movie that you can find. And it's got everybody in it from David Carrody and Robert Carrodine to I mean Randy Quaid, Dennis Quaid. Like, it's got a bunch of real time, real life brothers in it.

44:27 Okay, it's really good. Of meis and men in eighty one Heart Beats eighty three, he does National Lampoon's Vacation, followed by The Wildlife, The Wraith LBJ of the Early Years, Moving Caddie Shack two and nineteen eighty nine does one of your favorite movies, Parents. And that movie fucked with me real bad when I was a kid. Still pretty disturbing, I mean it still is. But man, the idea of your parents becoming the enemy, Yeah, very scary concept. I love it. Another one of the does that really well that I just actually saw for the first time. Last year was The Invasions of Mars remake. Oh oh god. Yeah, that movie's terrifying. Yeah. But the difference though is Invaders from Mars it's your parents have been replaced. Re placed As to where parents, it's you're realizing who they really really are. Yeah, So that that's the extra. Yeah.

45:17 Out Cold in eighty nine, Christmas Vacation, Days of Thunder, Quick Chains, Texasville, Frankenstein in ninety two, which he did a Frankenstein movie, and I think it's based off of Dean Koons's like first novel. Really yeah, I'm gonna have to check it out. Freaked in ninety three, which is getting a four K soon. Yeah, The Paper in ninety four, Bye Bye Love, Streets of Laredo, Last Dance, Kingpin Vegas Vacation, Hard Rain in ninety eight, The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle in two thousand, Not Another teen Movie two thousand and one, Adventures of Pluto, Nash in two thousand and two, Grind Home on the Range, Elvis Broke Back Mountain, the Ice Harvest previous episode in two thousand and five, Blade TV series All You Can Eat, and then Most recently last year was in the Christmas Letter in twenty twenty four.

45:57 Oh mm hmm, wow. Yeah, I'm surprised he ended up in one of those Christmas movies. After the finding time he's had fun but not real fun. Fact Ice Harvest is and five Blade TV series is six. He does not appear in something again until twenty eighteen. Wow, so he had twelve years down. That's that's nuts. Well, star whackers will do that to you. The nineteen ninety two Frankenstin by the way, it was made for TV. Yeah, and it's based on Mary Shelley's Frankenstein and yet Randy Quaid plays the monster. Dude. Okay, I gotta see that. I'll find it. So first time watching Hard Rain for you? What was it? Gosh, it was a I don't think I rented. I think it was on HBO. I'm almost certain it was on HBO. Yeah, and it kind of had everything I love in a in a in a movie.

46:52 It had extreme weather, which I'm a sucker for. I love a good extreme weather thing. It had lots of gunplay, yes, and lots a suspense, so I always had like a fond memory of it. But it was also kind of a lot of those movies, especially because I was, you know, very much growing up. Yeah, through the nineties. They kind of bleed together after a little while, so I had Hard Rain confused with other stuff a little bit. That's easy. I confused parts of it with Dante's Peak at one point, No shit. I could see that. Yeah, So I always remembered liking it, and then I feel like you got me to rewatch it. Definitely as an adult, probably because I had that Blu ray and I know we screened it one day. M HM had being keyword there. I still would love to know why the hell I got rid of my copy of Hard Rain. I'm a terrible person, I'm aware. But my first time watching it it was on TV, because I would have been six when this came out. I remember distinctly catching it on TV at the one point where they're going through the cassettes in the car, because I remember that scene just being really funny. Yeah, but it was one that I saw it on TV. I never caught it in a complete sitting. I would always usually hit it up right around the time of either the church ambush or the cemetery ambush, and it was just one of those movies that like I knew existed, but I had not seen it, like completely all the way through until I got that Blu ray and then watched it, and I was just like, No, I really like this movie. It's a lot of fun, it's it's dumb.

48:12 It's a disaster action movie with great actors. I mean, you can't go wrong with any of that. No, No, And I mean everybody's cast very well. Yeah, you know, Christen Slater, great casting on that. Morgan Freeman, I don't think I've ever seen him do a bad job. And Randy Quaid is perfect because the great thing about him is he can play straight. Yeah, and but when he does, you always wonder, like, but is he gonna get real bent? Yeah? And usually he does. That's and that's the one thing that I will say about like his acting in particular with this movie is you see it definitely coming a mile away that he that he's probably going to turn, but he's still fucking scary when it happens, and you're.

48:53 Just like, oh, I don't like this. I don't like this at all. He's really good at when he turns evil, he goes like he's really good at like at like projecting sociopathy through his eyes into your brain. Yes, no, absolutely. So the movie opens and we are in the town. You know, he'd be great for he should play Gacy. Oh he could. Yeah, he would be terrifying as DC. Although I don't think he's chubby anymore. Think he is, that he's lost a lot of weight. But we are in the town of hunting Huntingburg, Indiana, and it has been a heavy rainstorm. They've been collecting water at the dam, but it's gotten to the point now where they're flooding and they have to evacuate the town. Right and uh and a real town, a real town, yes, yes, Well they don't actually have any dams nearby or anything.

49:37 So we meet Sheriff Mike, who is played by Randy Quaid, and he's closing down roads telling people to flee, and we also cut over to the local bank, which I love the fake out of them with the guns. Oh, it's great, so good. Yeah, they're walking through and they've got like the bag of money and the guns, and it really feels like it's a heights heist. And then as they pull back, they're going into an armored car. Yeah, and they're basically emptying all the banks in this town out. Yeah, because because because there's hard rain coming, hard rain coming, yes, exactly, so they they need to evacuate. And that is when you know, they get on the road and we meet uh oh, like what's name Tom who was played by Christian Slater, and he is with his buddy Charlie, who is his uncle, and they are the two that are driving the armor truck, and so they are getting on the roads.

50:21 The roads are flooded. We also find out around this time too, that there are some locals that have also decided to hang around, one of which being Karen, who is taking care of the stained glass windows at this church. And then you've also got Betty White and her husband that are locals, and they are trying to booby trap their home basically because the last flood they had in like seventy three. They say, whatever wasn't stolen was broken just for the hell of it. Yeah. Yeah, and they're and they're a great example of like the I leaving my home period people. So and and well, Randy Quait's just like, you know, that's illegal, and she's like, yeah, we're gonna We're still gonna do it. Yeah, what are you gonna do arrest us? No, it's it's it's no. It's a great touch. And having that couple in it is is a very at times a very wonderful source of levity. Really needs some levity, Yeah.

51:11 It does, because, as you say, levity. We also cut over to meet Jim played by Morgan Freeman, and he and his buddies are just in a car heading into town. But they've got guns and there's something going on. Well it's Indiana, you know, maybe you could shoot the flood away. Maybe you could shoot the flood away. Right there we go. Yeah, so the town is evacuating. Everybody's trying to get out, including Charlie and Tom, and they end up getting on a road and that's when they basically strike up conversation about you know, how long do you think you're gonna be able to do this? Charlie' talking to his uncle and he's like, you know, there's this job worth it, and you know, is the money worth it? At this point, Yeah, we're getting the heart to heart moment that shows that they're closer than just coworkers. Yeah, and also though you know, Asner saying like, you know, I don't know how much longer I could do this.

51:55 I've been doing it so long. You're like, well, I'll just start carving a tombstone. Yeah, oh, I'm just I'm retiring tomorrow. Let me just put a photograph of my beautiful wife in the island. We're going to live. Hello insurance. Yes, I'd like to cancel the life part of it. Yeah, I just got a good bill of health from the doctor. Guess I'm gonna live forever. So they end up getting on the road and they're striking up conversation and then we start to see that the incline goes down a bit on the road and now they are completely up to the tires, covered in a armor truck in this water and they're stuck. Yeah, the rain is coming in fast and furious, and they are they're gonna have a hard time.

52:36 Yeah, they're gonna have a hard time with a hard rain. So that's when Charlie says that he's gonna call the National Guard. He calls somebody says they're gonna be there in two hours. And Christian Slater's character is just like two hours, Like what are we supposed to do? And he's like, we wait, we wait with this money, which we find out is like three million dollars if I remember correctly, Yeah, something in that neighborhood. So three million dollars. They're sitting there waiting, and that's when Christian Slater decides to get out. He starts wandering around and they're just checking the truck and everything, and they start to see lights approaching them from the other side. Yeah, I'm sure it's a help. Yeah. Yeah. The light shines on them and then a shot rings out hits Charlie right in the neck, and that's when you know that something is wrong. And it turns out that it's Jim Morgan Freeman's men, and there.

53:18 When he gets shot in the neck is when you realize that. That's when you realize something something. That's when you realize something's up. That's fair. Yeah, dead dead body. Yeah yeah. Well he doesn't die right away, actually no. No, no, he gets a chance to suffer. Yeah. They so he drags him around back and the thing I love about this movie is everything from this point on takes place in knee knee and up water like there is really no dry spots. One of my favorite things about the movie is that they use the the there's a statue in the middle of town. Yeah, and they use it to show you how high the water is. Yeah, because at the beginning it's sitting there, there's just puddles everywhere. Yeah. And then as we go on, you start to see it's like covering his horse. I think he's on a horse. It's like it just it. It's a great way to like make it clear to the audience.

54:01 The rain is rising and this is this is a small town, so I mean you're looking at you're looking at like a handful of buildings, and we basically stay in the center of town for the most part because that's where a lot of the action takes place. Yeah. So uh, that is when, uh, you know, he realizes that that those guys are not good, so he starts trying to save Charlie. Charlie unfortunately passes, and that's when he decides to take the money and run. I mean, is there ever a better thing to do when there's money than take it and run? So, I mean, at this point, you gotta do what you gotta do. So the gang is chasing Tom and he ends up taking refuge in a nearby church. He also sacks away the money, which do we we don't see him hide it originally, so we be as a viewer don't know.

54:41 Where it is. Yeah, we just know that he knows. Yeah, he stashed it somewhere close. He goes into a nearby church and that's when he's looking around. He hears some music playing, he sees the lights are on, and he also sees that somebody is trying to pump the water out of the church and he gets hit with a giant cross. I mean, you know, it happens to the best of them. So he's mistaken for a looter. Karen, who is trying to restore the stained glass windows in the church, she wakes. He wakes up in a cell and that's when he's like telling Sheriff Mike, like, you know, hey, there's these robbers in town. They're looking for this money. They just shot my partner. And of course Randy Quid is like, all right, I believe you. Like we'll go out and look, but just in case, we're gonna keep you here in this station while it's flooding. Well, and the other cop who's kind of a hard ass, Wayne Wayne, he's the one who's like, we're gonna lock you up in case you're lying. Yeah, which my first thought was, why would you put someone in a cell during a flood during a flood, but uh, don't worry, comes up, comes up later.

55:35 So that's when he tells the Yeah, he tells Wayne to go ahead and take Karen back or is Phil? I think Phil fills the one. Yeah, because he has Deputy Phil and Deputy Wayne and then you, Mike. So he tells Phil to go ahead and get Karen back to her place. So they get on a boat together, and that's when Karen takes an opportunity to push Phil out of the boat and steal the boat. Yeah, yeah, she does. So that's when they also decide that they're gonna go out and look for these guys off and she takes the boat back, returns it to go to the church. And that's when we also meet the town's damn operator, Hank. He's a damn operator. He's a damn opera damn operator, and he is a character actor that's in a ton of stuff lately. Yeah, no, I can't. I'll see if I can find his name real quick. Wayne to Ball, Wayne Wall.

56:18 Wayne to Ball. Yeah, he was recently in the hunt. Yes, yeah, that's what I'm I'm I'm seeing I think first, because that's a great role. Have you ever seen on his credits for The Hunt, his name is his question His name is Don with two question marks. Because we don't know is he don uh? Yeah? Because he was in oh yeah, he was in a Quiet Place too. He was in Werewolves Within Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah he was. He's been in a bunch. He was in Richard Jewel. Yeah, yeah, he's been. And he's that he's again that good character actor that can play good and bad because like when we meet him in Hard Rain, he's kind of he's kind of a loof. I mean we literally meet him coming out of the bathroom because an alarms going off. Yeah. I think that now, you know, twenty almost thirty years on from that character, yeah, or from when we saw him in that Yeah, I think it's a lot harder to think he's a threat now because he comes off as just like a sweet old guy. Yeah. Yeah, that's my even in the Hunt. Well, in the Hunt, I mean we still don't know. I still don't know, you know, if he was a bad guy or not. Yeah.

57:21 So the town's damn operator Hank is open. He's opening the spillway, because that's gonna release some water, but that also releases a large wave and the town starts to flood a little deeper. Oops oops oopsy Daisy. And in doing so, Tom is still trapping the cell as the water even starts to rise in the cell. Yeah, and it starts to rise u surprisingly fast, very fast. Now I'm not a scientist, but if he can't get out of the cell, yeah, I think he might drown. I think he might drown. And also they might be at fault. Well, yeah, they don't control the weather, David. Yeah, but they control locking someone in a fucking cell.

58:04 So Karen gets the church protected as best as she can, and that's when she realizes that the water is getting higher. She's worried about Tom and actually goes back to the jail, and by this point the water is completely up to the top. He's trying to get his some keys out by a desk, which the desk starts floating and then floats by him so he can get to it. But right as that happens, Karen's on the roof. She opens this hatch where the cell is Apparently. Remember he gets the keys, No, he does, And and I love it because he looks at the keys and they both have big Ford logos on him. He goes, great, I'll drive here. Yeah. She opens the top of this hatch that just happens to be right above this cell, luckily, and so now they're on the roof of the jail and the water is still absolutely rising.

58:45 One of the most suspenseful scenes because he's literally up to this grate, this top grate, and he's trying to breathe, and then it gets past the grate. He gets a tube, so he starts breathing through, but eventually the water gets that's above the two two really quick, real quick. It's awesome because he's constantly like, okay, I can get a few more breaths, and it's like, no more of that. It's like, okay, I can get a few more breaths, No more of That's It's one of two, in my opinion, brilliantly planned suspense scenes, the other one being later on. Well right here is one of my favorites. So they get on the roof and that's when they also see the guys are still out looking for the money. So he sees Tom's gang and everything or not Tom Jim's gang, and that's when also Kenny one of his gang notices, who is actually the guy that shot Charlie. Kenny's kind of the wild guy because one of my favorite parts with him is him in the beginning talking about the money and Morgan Freeman hands him that crossroad puzzle that says, if you talk about the money again, I'll kill you. Yeah.

59:43 Yeah, so good. It's a really good one. The dichotomy of their group is really interesting. Yeah, So Kenny spots them, he goes off chasing them, and by this point Tom and Karen are out in the street trying to swim. The water is just rising and rising, and also now they see that a transformer is getting ready to hit the water. It was Optimist Prime if you are correct. Wow, So the transform is getting ready to hit and by this point Kenny catches up with them. They're fighting in the water for a little bit, even uppercuts him, and then they realize that like they're in serious danger, so they climb up onto this thing that turns out to be metal. So then they have to move to the side of the building, which is what I love because it's just getting there by second and second. Yeah, and Rachel and I had an interesting conversation when we were watching this because she was like, well, water doesn't conduct electricity, and I was like, fresh water doesn't, but I'm sure this water's been polluted by all this stuff that's gotten in and I looked it up and yes, so fresh distilled fresh water. Yeah, and generally pure fresh water is a poor conductor of electricity. But if you get any junk in it, even remotely salt, yeah, any kind of minerals, it becomes a better conductor. So when he gets roasted, yeah he does. It is somewhat realistic, yeah.

1:00:56 Because he's holding onto the metal, the metal thing, and then he also falls into the water and it just completely bites it, but doesn't bite it just right away because his buddies end up finding him. They pull him into the boat in one of the most chilling scenes that like, every time I see it, I just think it's gonna go a different way, even though I've seen this movie multiple times, because Morgan Freeman's just like, oh no, no, the pain's the pain's gonna subside, You're gonna be okay, Like everything's gonna work out, And you're thinking, like he's either gonna off him or he's just gonna like toss him. Well, because at this point we don't really know what kind of crooks they are. Yeah, and it seems like they're kind of like mad dog killers, but they're not. No, there really not. And yeah, is he's talking to me, he's like lying to me. He's like, I wouldn't lie to you. And then he dies and Freeman seems legitimately surprised.

1:01:41 Oh he does that because he was is his nephew or something like it's somebody was he was told that he would take care of him, because he's even like he wasn't even supposed to be here, like he just I told him I would take care of him something like that. So by this point, Tom and Karen have made it off the streets and they have made it into Doreen and Henry's house, which we find immediately because as they go into the window, there's two fucking bear traps just ready to go. Yeah, and this scene is, like I said, the much needed levity, Yeah, because as they come in there, it's just non stop bickering. Why did you come to our house? Yeah? With all their their valuables? Yeah, you know, why are you coming to our house? Is like we thought it was abandoned, Like, well, all the other houses are abandoned, just not ours.

1:02:22 So they end up going in the attic with them, and that's when Tom realizes he's got to sneak out and try to secure the money because otherwise they're gonna find it. Well, also, they don't want them there anymore because he tells them what's going on and oh, yeah, you're just gonna bring it and he's like, you're you're right, I would just bring him to you and he doesn't want to do that anyway. But one of my favorite scenes is as he's like, they could take our boat, and he's like you're gonna give our boat? You know? Well then what do we have to float away on or whatever? So but as he's getting on the boat, he's like she's yelling at him. He's like, hurry up already, what are you gonnakiss him goodbye? And he's like, you're sure you don't want to come with me? And I love that he thinks about Literally it's like, hey, I'm gonna take this boat and go try to avoid these killers. Yeah, and he's like I'm thinking, yeah, that killed me.

1:03:07 So he gets the boat goes out a bit, but as he is going back out, we see Freeman's gang and they're like, okay, well we know where he's going. It's so creepy because as he goes by, we realize they're just hanging back way behind well, just waiting for him to pass them by. Which, think about that, think about it, think about it. But it makes sense because in a flood, no one is standing still. You're not going to just stay in one place, especially not if the water keeps rising. If you're whether you're swimming or you're in a boat, you're gonna go somewhere. Yeah. So yeah, they just parked in basically a front yard, except you know, it's eight feet above the front yard. They just park their waiting and he passes right by him, and there he is, but where he's going. But when they say, like we should go get him, he's like, he's like, we can't just go after him. He might electrocute another one of us or whatever. Yeah, So now he's making it clear that like he's kind of afraid of this guy dangerous because he didn't see how his guy got electric.

1:04:01 All he knows is that guys are turning up dead dead. Yeah, so he's got this cautiousness that I thought was really refreshing. So we see him do, we see Tom go out a little bit. And by this point, also Sheriff Mike has radioed Hank and he's basically asking him, like, how are things going, And he's just like, you know, it's getting bad out here. I don't know how much longer the dam's gonna hold. And he basically recruits him to come join them, because he's like, come out, come out here, and bring your gun. Well, I think he said, I deputized you. I deputized you, and that meant that you follow my orders. Yeah, because I think I think that the original reason he deputized him was so that he could stay in town, in town, to stay at the thing, because because the evacuation orders for all citizens civilians, Yeah, so only the police could stay there. So that's why I would assume that, so he wouldn't be liable or so.

1:04:48 By this point, Tom reservices at the truck and Morgan Freeman's right on top and they have kidnapped the elderly couple. Yeah, but he also finds out that Karen's back in the attic she was hiding. They didn't see her. Yes, So he's like, you know, okay, well, now you're gonna show us where the money is or I'm gonna kill these nice people and it's gonna be your fault. And he's like, no, I'm not doing that. He's like, let them go and I'll show you where the money is. So he does end up letting them go, and one of my favorite lines ever is she's Betty Betty White. Deen is in the is in the back of the boat and he's rowing and they row away from him. She's like, go faster, I want to get away, and he turns the boat around. And she's like what are you doing. He's like, well you do trust me? Like you do you want me to go? All right? Then shut the fuck up. That's a great moment because Betty White's character, I mean, she's been early on, like when she was arguing with the sheriff. Yeah.

1:05:38 She actually at one point said like, were you even elected? Because I know for a fact I didn't vote for you, and neither did my husband. He's like stop, yeah, picking fights with him. So Tom, Yeah, Tom says he's gonna reveal to them where the money is. And by this point we have a little conversation between him and Jim, and Jim actually reveals that they were the ones called by char Early originally and the truck. Went out right, and that's why there's no national guard national Guard coming. Yeah, he was in cahoots with them. They had been old working buddies and like you know, Tom doesn't want to believe this. Christmas later is just like no, like you're fucking lying, Like he wouldn't do that, And he's just like, oh well no, like he this is this is the situation of things.

1:06:20 Yeah. So that's when he was only killed because Kenny was told was not told by Charlie that was in on the gang. So Kenny fired a shot and killed somebody that he didn't realize was in on the heist. Well, and now we know why. After the shooting stopped, Morgan Freeman called out to him says everybody, okay over there. Yeah, and that makes a lot more sense because it felt taunting. Yeah, but now it's like, no, he there was supposed to be a very simple transaction, yeah, but everything got messed up. So by this point we have found out that Tom hid the money in the local cemetery. He tied it to a tombstone, so he dives into the water because Morgan Freeman's like, go get it. And he goes down there and the rope has been and cut loose and the money is gone.

1:07:02 Yeah, so good to see it. That's when he resurfaces and we see lights on the other side of the cemetery as Sheriff Hank and his crony show up. Oh, thank goodness the law and they waste no time getting a gunfire going. No, they're ready to rock. They are ready to rock. Yeah, and we get the first like really good shootout in the movie, which is in the cemetery, which again they're up to their fucking shoulders in water swimming to the cemetery doing a gunfight while they're in a boat like, oh no, it's slick as hell, it's insane. So that's when they're ambushed by Mike and his deputies and also. Hank shows up. Hey, and that's when Mike tells him because Hank's like, hey, what's what's going on here. Hank's got a really nice rifle, by the way, yes he does. And Sheriff Mike says, hey, you know that money that they're transporting out of town we're keeping it seven hundred and fifty thousand each, so it's three million split four ways. And he's like, all right, all right, So they're in on it now. So Mike is completely abandoning his town and he is going after this money and he will kill any witnesses in the way of it.

1:07:58 Well, if you think about it the old time, the older folks there, like like his character would be, and like Betty White her husband, they remember the last flood, So of course his first thought would be, yeah, the chaos of that last flood was so mad, like no one would know, like no one would be able to be blamed. It just would be one of those things you just write it off as like it was a horrible flood. But they also don't realize that the weather is actually getting worse than anyone could have imagined. And this is why I love natural disaster movies where the disaster is not the key element, because the biggest folly you could ever make is not paying attention to the real threat. And they're not. They're like, oh, yeah, it's flooding stuff. But it's like you do realize, like the water just has not stopped rising once. This is probably gonna be worse than bad. This is going to be so bad you guys should not be here at all.

1:08:52 Is really dangerous, and I love that. It's it's kind of funny because you know what, what who like kind of mastered that element, that concept, that that idea is George Romero. Yeah, because the big thing about his Dead movies is you always got eaten by the zombies when you forgot about the zombie that that was the original threat, yea. And the reason for everything that's happening, the reason you're hauled up in a farmhouse, or the reason you're hauled up in a mall, or the reason you're hauled up in an aircraft bunker. You're a bunker thing. It's all because of the zombies. But then you get so caught up in the human element of arguing and bickering and disagreeing and being annoyed because you know you're stuck with these people you don't like, in their farting and being annoying, and it's I love that. And that's one of my favorite things in this movie is that all of a sudden it realize like, oh, yeah, this flood is dangerous.

1:09:41 Well, it's like when you put the human element in there of anybody that can backstab and go about their own ways and everything, and then you put the element of the weather in there. It just makes everything kind of go up to eleven because you just have people that are not paying attention to the situation focused on this greed. For example here exactly no, exactly right. Yeah, so we lose one of the guys, mister Mayler and Ray are killed in the shootout, which. He gets it right through the fucking eye. That's brutal, brutal. And that's when Jim and Tom escape because they end up chucking a grenade over which tips one of the boats over, and they end up stealing a boat and riding off. So they're riding through town with the guys right behind them, and that by this point, also Karen has been found in the water because she went back to the church. Randy Quaids picked her up. He and his other guys decide that they're going to follow Tom and Jim, of course, and that is when Jim and Tom decide to hide in the church.

1:10:33 I mean, why not. Oh my god, this is probably my favorite seat of the entire movie. Yeah. Yeah, Now this is where it gets real, real good. So they're hiding in the church and by this point, also Christian Slater's been shot, so he's got to find something to take care of himself. They have a little bit of a heart to heart about Charlie and everything, and he's like, you know, Charlie wasn't a bad guy. He just wanted himself taken care of and. This was the cash out. This is the way to do it. So he was going to retire and everything. And then we have Deputy Wayne who decides to take Karen back to her house. Yes, yeah, Deputy Wayne, who is played by what is his name? It is Mark? I think what Mark Ralston? Who? If you don't know that name. He plays Bogs in Shawshank Redemption the. Rapist, I'm looking him up. Yep, yep, Mark Ralston. Yeah.

1:11:16 Mark Ralston plays Bogs and he also plays Wayne in this movie. So he takes Karen back to her house because he's always kind of had a thing for her. People would probably mostly know him from Soft five five yeah and six, yeah yeah. But he handcuffs Karen to her own banister. And keep in mind again the flood is still going. There is water inside her house, but it hasn't gotten serious. Yet, yes yet. Yeah, but he handcuffs her to the banister and he starts spouting off about a deer penthouse letter and just really nasty stuff. The power goes out, he lights a candle, and he's basically getting ready to rape her, but she ends up getting a Swiss army knife and stabbing him right in. The back of the fucking head. Yes, and this is where we lead into what I think is the other best suspense piece. I mean, there's a lot of great moments with standoffs in action. But yeah, but now she is handcuffed to a banister and the water is rising. Yeah, and this was so well thought out because a banister has every maybe three feet a support, you know, so the banister doesn't fall lean on him. Yeah. So, now as the water's rising, her only option is to take her Swiss army knife go and unscrew each of the connections.

1:12:24 So every time she's about to drown, she gains three feet and then has to work up to the gu top and then has to go three But then when she gets when she finally does get to the top, now there's nowhere else to go. We should also mention that when Wayne got stabbed in the back ahead he went and drew his gun, tried to fire her, missed her luckily, but also has the keys on his belt for the cuffs. So she's stuck and his body's floating out in front of the house right now. Yeah, he would have been too far away even if he wasn't floating. So she's trying to work up the banister. By this point, we also see that Sheriff Mike and Hank have found them in the church and they're throwing Maltov cocktails into the church on top of the church, but it's so wet nothing's catching, which. Is hilarious that they're using fire in a rainstorm, yeah, and a flood. And that's when they decide to completely run their boats through the stained glass windows of the church, entering at.

1:13:10 The exact sense to mention is the best part of that isn't that they go through the stay glass. It's that they do it in perfect synchronization. So they punched through these giant stained glass windows, huge shattering, splashing, epic as fuck. Oh yeah, And so by this point we've got Deputy Phil, We've got Sheriff Mike and Hank, and they are all in the church and we don't see any sign of Tom or Jim, and then both of them rise out of the water like any good action movie and just start laying fucking way. We're like one of the greatest action movies missing in action. This section was them two I think it was two, yeah, or no, that's what one. It was one, which clip two? Yes, yes, yeah, no, No, that's one of the greatest moments in cinema history when Chuck Dorris just rises up out of the water with a giant machine.

1:13:52 What I love is like Morgan Freeman rises out with two pistols and is just laying waste, but you get pistol pov for a second. Yeah, and it just feels like a nineties First Shooter, which I love. Oh yeah, no, no, it's it's a great it's a great touch. Yeah. So they're they're into a firefight for a little bit, and then they all stop because something starts happening, which would be the alarm from the dam. Which means the dam is about to overflow, the damn is about to give yeah, and and that's very bad. Yeah, mean, anytime you give a damn, you set that one up a little bat No, but this is and this is again what I was talking about of ignoring the real threat, because no matter how tough you are, no matter how smart you are as a crook, this is this is a natural disaster. This will kill you.

1:14:38 This will kill you and not have a second thought. Yeah, there is no thought at all. That's the thing is Mother Nature could give a crap. Yeah. So I love that moment where it happens because then they're just kind of like what does that mean. It was like, it's gonna be bad. Yeah, it's gonna be bad. So the damn alarm's going off and he's like, you know, how much time do we have, Hank, And Hank's like not much. He's like, you know, it's old. It's gonna go. Yeah. And that's the guy who was keeping up, keeping up. Yeah. Yeah, So Sheriff Mike is like, all right, boys, drop your guns. Then this is what we're gonna do. You're gonna give me a couple of bags of money and we're all gonna go our separate ways. But yeah, he said, I'll just take a couple of those. I'm not greedy. Yeah. Jim is not having it. He's like no, because the whole movie, Morgan Freeman has said he is here for the money. He doesn't care about anybody anything else. I'm here for the money. So he's like, no, we're not We're not doing it. And he's just like, oh, come on, are you really gonna let this go? And then all of a sudden, that is when the tom decides that he's gonna save Karen.

1:15:29 So he rides out on the one boat. Well, well you forgot though one of the one of the cop guys. Oh yeah, it was injured. Yeah, and he was like kind of left in the water. You've got Hank. Hank and Deputy Phil have Christian Slater both on their bear rights, and that's when Phil can't do it. So then Hank shoots him and goes woos falls into the water and that's when he's like, you know, well, where's Karen and Mike won't tell. Him, and that's when boy and give give us the money? Yeah, And that's when Phil floats by and he's just like, she lives on Boy Street, second floor, a big house. Yeah, even he says, like a blue siding, yeah, you know all this stuff. And that's a great moment too, where he's like that I don't care about it. I don't care about this. I'm dying and I didn't sign up for any of this. I wasn't I didn't come here to freaking Yeah.

1:16:15 So that is when, like I said, Tom rides off to go save Karen, and that at this point, Mike and Jim are kind of at a standstill, and Mike puts down his gun. Jim puts down his gun. But that's only when Mike goes into the water, pulling a revolver out of his shoe and says, you should have killed me when you had the chance, and shoots Jim out of the boat, steals the boat, yes, rides out of the church. So now Jim and Phil are still in the church and Mike and Hank escape in the boat. Hank is looking at the alarm stops and that's when we start to see that the dam is breaking. Yeah, and it's awesome. It's awesome. There is a huge, huge wave coming from them as they ride out of this church, and even Hank's like, hey, man, go faster, and he's like, all right, I will pushes Hank out of the boat. Yeah, He's like, we gotta go faster. He's like, you're right, and you just push him bout. I love that. Not only does he push him out of the speedboat, but then he hits a pole.

1:17:01 Yeah, it hits a pole, and he grabs onto the pole. But then the water keeps going. So then Hank gets pushed into this alley which also then breaks free of this fucking propane tank. Yes, that ignites goes shooting right at him, and another great explosion, an excellent explosion, And I love it because his hat lands in the water toasted. So Tom gets to the house. He finds Karen handcuffed to the banister. He's trying to kick it free, but nothing's happening. So then he's She's like, you know, there's a saw in the kitchen. He goes to get the saw. Saw breaks on the first cut, so then he ends up just shooting it off. Yeah, because that's the only one thing they can do. So it's life in the big city. He gets Karen free, and by this point the water is up super high. At the point they just climb onto the roof, but then the house foundation completely breaks free and Karen's house starts going washing away with the with the water.

1:17:47 Yeah, a lot of things are now washing away the water like most of the town. Most of the town, but so the house breaks free. They're climbing up on the roof of the house, and that's when Mike is just right there waiting in his boat and starts firing on them while they're on top of this house. Yes, so they're floating on this house as it's going through. Sheriff Mike's in this boat shooting at them, and we see Jim is off to the side in the boat that he took and he starts hearing the shots, so he follows it out. So then he starts approaching Mike starts firing at him. They have a firefight exchange. He ends up hitting Jim's boat, which then he has to completely just do what he has to do, which is completely accelerated ramps off the house. Mike is taking shots. At the boat as the boat lands, But what he doesn't realize is Jim launched the boat the fricking engine and the propeller came off, Yes, And as he launched it, that launched off too and hits a killer crocodiles.

1:18:37 Sheriff Mike the boat. The boat just barely misses him, and he's like, ah, and then the engine yes, clobbers, hurdles and right at him. It's brutal. Well, I said Killer Crocodile, because remember that's how they defeat the crocodile. And at the end of Killer Crocodile, they love me some Killer Crocodile. If a dear listener, view er, if you have not seen Killer Crocodile, which was beautifully released one and two through seven several years ago in Blu ray do it just just yourself. It's on two B, it's on Voodoo. Great great example of just a Bonker's Italian exploitation movie. So, Sheriff Mike is knocked in the water and he pops up bloody at this point, and he's trying to grab a bag of money. But also Karen is in the boat that he gets into, and Karen picks up a rifle. She's getting ready to shoot him. And by this point Tom and Jim have found each other again at the side, and when he goes to bring his revolver up, she goes to fire the rifle. It's empty, and then Tom and Jim just light Sheriff Mike cup.

1:19:34 Yeah. Yeah. The final moment is just shooting an obscene amount of bullets in slow motion. Oh of course, yes, of course, I mean how else could you do? So he is kid Squibb City holding this bag of money, falls back into the water, bloody, and everything's fine now because Indiana State Police show up just in time. And that's when Jim asked Tom if he's going to turn the money in, and he's like, well, I've got to. He's like, I have to turn the money in, and he's like, you better get out of here. And just as he's riding out of town or rowing out of town, he comes across the body of Sheriff Mike and just picks up a bag of money and puts it in the boat with him and rows off into the moonlight. Yeah, off into the inevitable sunset, into the inevitable sunset. So that's when Tom rejoins Karen and she's like, you know, hey, how is the church?

1:20:16 Like is the church okay? And he's like, I'll give you the good news, like there was some fire damage, but the flood put it out. And she's like, well, what do you mean flood damage And he's like, oh, well, like you know, the roof of damage, fire damage, And he's like, oh, you know, it's nothing to worry about. They seemed fine enough to drive their boats through those stained glass and then they just freeze frame with them holding their hands up in the air. And that is nineteen ninety eight's Hard Rain. And it is quite a little film and quite a little piece of nineteen nineties joy. Oh yeah, I mean it is. It's nineties as hell. It's it's ridiculous. It's kind of silly and a lot of fun, A lot of fun, a lot of fun. So the budget, I think you already know, but do you want to guess? I Unfortunately, I think I was. It was not one hundred, but it was like seven.

1:21:00 Yes, yeah, seventy seventy million dollars is the budget. And it didn't do so good at the box office. It opens January nineteenth, nineteen ninety eight, so it was dumped, yeah, to eight million dollars opening weekend, grossing nineteen million dollars worldwide when all is said and done. So that's like a fifty million dollar loss. It's not great, not great. No. So shot at Huntington, Indiana. There is no major river or dam nearby, but there are two reservoirs that near the town, plus a six million dollar set in aircraft hangar that was done in Palmdale, California. Yeah, And that was one of the first things when I was rewatching and I was thinking about was I was like, I'm I'm gonna guess this was all. I mean, all the big flood seats were done in a in a studio. And actually one of the first things I thought was like, well, I mean they could go like the Abyss and just rent an aircraft carrier or aircraft hangar. Yeah.

1:21:50 And they did and they did, and it makes sense because I mean, the amount of water, the amount of being wet, yeah, would be so unpleasant. Production of the film was a collaborative effort among numerous film studios, one of which was British Broadcasting Corporation. Christian Slater himself served as co producer. At one point, John Wu was attached to direct this film, and he left to direct Face Off instead, and the project was then taken over by Mikhale Salmon. I could see that being a John Wu production, Oh, yeah, for sure. At the time of filming, the movie had the largest painted scenic background ever used in a film. I believe that too. Yeah. Was originally titled The flood, but was changed because the filmmakers didn't want audiences to assume it was primarily a disaster movie.

1:22:33 Yeah, I agree, the flood would make it sound like it was all about the flood. I think Hard Rain is a solid title, a solid title that kind of tells you there's a little more going on. Director Mikhale Salmon Solomon was hired to direct his film based on his work on James Cameron's grueling filming of The Abyss, in which most of the sets were in underwater tanks, much like this film required misery. Oh yeah, it's miss If. You haven't watched the behind the scenes of The Abyss, it's sad. I mean, the actors are just flat out there like this was really awful. Yeah. Christis Later's contract for this film stated his body temperature should not be allowed to drop more than point one degrees. To accommodate this, all fake Rain was kept at one degree above body temperature. Because of this, the film's heating budget was almost triple the special effects budget.

1:23:15 God damn that, my friends. That's called having a really good attorney. Yeah, that you may put in the contract your body temperature can't drop. He must have done he must have worked with water before, or heard the nightmare stories from the abyss or impossible or are some of those because that's a fascinating demand. Yeah, but honestly, I bet everybody was thankful. Oh, I'm sure. Although it must have been weird to have like that much water and it was like bath water warm. I just think it's it's insane to think that this is one year before Titanic. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah, I didn't think about that. Executives were so fearful of an outbreak of Legionnaire's disease while filming that they insisted all pipes used for water effects were fully flushed every hour. Technical crew tried to inform execs that the pipes were technically being flushed continually by the flow of water. It fell on deaf years, and the resulting insistence to pause production hourly made the movie go over budget by fifty million and completed sixteen months late. There was no true risk of Legionnaire's disease.

1:24:13 It was fifty fifty million. There's no That doesn't make any sense. It says that's that that's IMDb says. Fifty million doesn't make any sense. I mean because because uh, if the movie had a seventy million dollar budget, that they would never get try they would never have to make that twenty twenty though, that sounds I mean, I believe even a maybe a million or two even that, I don't know. That's a SIMDB for you. Yeah, that one sounds a little scurless. Fifty millions an insane amount of money. Yeah, Like I feel like, yeah, I feel like nobody would have ever worked again. But I don't know. According to Ryter Graham, Yeo's producer Mark Gordon, and he briefly considered the film as a potential sequel to Speed, The studio wasn't interested in a story so disconnected from the first film. They decided to move on with Christen Slater and Minnie Driver playing new characters instead of Keanu Eves and Sandra Bullock repliesing their roles, Replies applising their role.

1:25:03 So they were like, we don't want it to be so far from the original premise, you know, anyway, Cruise Control, how can the same thing happen? Oh God, I love that. That's one of the best parts of the diart too. The producers wanted to hire Oscar winner Jerry Goldsmith to write the film's score, but could not afford his salary. Christopher Young from Urban Legend, lobbied hard to get the job and ultimately got it. He did a good job. I will say, had they gotten Goldsmith old Smith, Oh yeah, if they had gotten him, though, I do think it would have been very memorable. Yeah. Maybe, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure he would do a great job. He was one of the greatest composers of all time. But like his kind of sentimental swells and stuff, I don't know, it's hard to say it. I'm really yeah, that makes me curious.

1:25:45 And finally, according to Morgan Freeman, his character was supposed to die in the end of the original cut, but producers changed it after a negative test audience screening. Morgan Freeman commented on his character surviving in reshoots. I played a bad guy in a movie and they showed it to an audience, and we're letting an audience tell us what to do. Now, you know, an audience said, well, I don't want him. Morgan can't die and I was a thief. He should get some money. We went back into the studio and reshot it. So that I didn't die and I did get some money. Now, I overall agree with Morgan Freeman on many things, yeah, but especially in many ways that but it's not like the movie wasn't setting up. He had like a heart of goals. Yeah, you know, he didn't turn out to be like Hans Gruber no something.

1:26:26 I mean, he didn't even fire a single shot like into any of our any our heroes. Yeah, but I mean one of the big twists is that he's not really that bad of a guy. So, I mean, I think that in that case, the audience being like, I don't like this tragic ending for him because he wasn't that bad of a guy. I see, I could see it. I see what they're they're going for. Plus, you know, if they have to make up a fifty million over I feel like that would be more than almost any film has ever gone over budget in history. I would think, I mean, Bonfire the Vanities is up there, though, I will say that. Now I'm very curious. So what are your final thoughts on nineteen ninety eight? It's hard rain, oh man. I mean, well, before we give our thoughts, m m oh oh, yes, oh my, you should we check in how could I forget that we have to check in with the greats Roger Eberts and Gene Siskel. Yes, yes, let's see hips all wrinkled up.

1:27:14 Morgan Freeman looks way too smart to continue trying to pull off an impossible job under deadly conditions. I mean, after about an hour of that, wouldn't you just say I'm just going to go to dry Land and check into an ice motel, get a warm shower. And the plot is ridiculous. That's where this falls down. These are good actors in this thing. Why can't why can't they read a script? This is not a close call. This is a very bad screenplay. Maybe it was positioned as a big action picture with a big payday and they thought, well, I. Do think there's some truth to that Houston Rockets game. One of the players, Matt Buller, comes over during the game. It says to me, he says, did you see hard rain? I said, yes, it stinks. He says, yeah, we saw.

1:27:56 It's awful. Well, Matt our show plays in Houston Channel eleven, khow you just after midnight on Saturday take a triple overtime game to keep you away from our show? Channel eleven in Houston, Matt. This is why we exist. This is why we exist in the show. Wow Jesus. I mean, I guess fair enough. I do enjoy occasionally peeking at what they said. Now, I will say time has been kind to hard Range, absolutely without a doubt. So I I but I can't give it a rent it. I gotta give it a stream and I think it's it's. Your best bet is to watch it for free. That's fair free with ads. It's on Pluto right now, which is a great way to watch it with ads. Yeah, so I would highly recommend sitting on and watching it. Now.

1:28:44 You know, if the nineties is your comfort food, then you probably want to own it, yeah, or you probably should desperately see it. I really hope we get a four K of it soon because this just feels like one that Paramount would absolutely put out. Again. Yeah, I could see it getting a four K. I mean it's got an all star cast, and like I said, it's aged well yeah so. And it has the Jars of Clay song at the ends, as Rachel pointed. Out, apparently he does. But yeah, I'm actually gonna give it a rent it. I personally think it's a lot of fun. It's if you're looking for that dumb action movie that you can sit down with your friends in a six pack or just have a good time on like a Saturday night. This is like the perfect movie. Oh it's totally a pizza movie. Yeah with friends. Oh sure, It's insane.

1:29:27 The action is is nuts, The performances are great, and I mean you just you don't realize the length that this movie is gonna go to to be like holy shit, Yeah. No, no it does. And I really cannot overstate there are some great suspense moments and I really think that that jail cell one and the chain and the handcuffed to the banister the banister are like really really right there well, and they're really inspired, especially because I mean really you would have to come up with that. Yeah, you would have to look at a banister and just go, oh yeah there's a stop the Oh man, if you were stuck to that, you just you would have to save yourself again and again and again. It's just a great it's a great and inspired piece of a filmmaker. Yeah, so I've got to give big props to that, all right.

1:30:14 So we always like to end the show with a couple of recommendations. My first one for this week is twenty eighteen's The Hurricane Heist, currently available on Peacock Plex, Prime Roku and to be Thieves attempt a massive heist against the US Treasury as a Category five hurricane approaches one of its ment facilities. This movie is really stupid, yes, the like considering what a category five means. Yeah, not very realistic, like anybody who had But then again, I think they were stealing like one hundred million. They were stealing a lot. But like, and this movie is I mean, it borrows a lot from Hard Rain for one, but on top of that, the effects are the same people that do Fast and the Furious. So if you're going to go into a into a movie and think you're not gonna see some shit from those people, you're insane, because Hurricane Heist really just packs a punch to where it's just like they're really going there. Okay, they're really doing this.

1:31:08 No, I yeah, I would have to I would have to agree. And then my second recommendation, It's gonna be a little difficult for you to find unless you want to buy a Blu Ray, But this was one that you and I watched just sporadically one moment because I had bought the Blu ray over. I think we watched this the same night as we watch Pray for Death, which is nineteen ninety one's The Taking of Beverly Hills. God that movie's not currently available on Keno Lauriber Blue ray. A group of embittered X cops use a chemical spill to raid the banks and homes of Beverly Hills. Is this synopsis. But the one thing it leaves out is there is, of course one man who's not gonna stand for that, who may just happen to live in Beverly Hills as this occurs. I yeah, I freaking love that.

1:31:49 No, this movie is insane taking up Beverly Hills. I cannot recommend enough. If you can get a hand on it, then absolutely do it. And if you do watch it, please right into the show because I would love to hear your thoughts on this batshit insanity of a movie. I want to mention, by the way, I got curious about movies that went the most over budget. Another film that dealt with water water World, water World, who Yeah, seventy five million dollars over budget. But then it actually was somewhat of the hit because of video. That's the one thing that a lot of people forget. They're all is like a huge box office bomb, but like video cue. Oh well, I'm not even talking about box office. I'm just talking about like it went over budget by seventy five million against one hundred million dollar budget. And apparently Titanic had one hundred million dollar budget and went one hundred million. Oh yeah, over budget. But it didn't matter.

1:32:37 Nobody cared no, no, because it was an insanely successful. So what's your recommendation, sir? Oh goodness, Well, I went with something. I didn't go with the weather thing, because we're talking about some of the best weather movies this whole month for April showers. Yes kind of thing. Yes. So I went with a movie that to me, I think of and I thought of the entire time I was watching Hard Rain and a movie that is a lot better. It was a movie that growing up, when it was on cable, when it was on HBO, I would never not watch it. And that is nineteen ninety six is Broken Arrow, Broken Arrow? Great? Broken Arrow is a great film, good starring John Travolta and of course Christian Slater. Yes, for those who don't know Broken Arrow, which is shocking to me. Terrorists steal nuclear warheads from the US military, but don't count on a pilot and a park Ranger spoiling their plans.

1:33:25 Probably the movie that got him hard ran originally before he left it. I would guarantee it, yeah, and directed by John wu Yeah. Also written by gram Yose Yeah, which when you mentioned I was like, oh, yeah, because I had already picked it. But that's a great one, shockingly only available to rent right now. Shocked that that's not I actually the funny stories. The last time I watched it was actually on this TV. Yeah, Like I was on TV. Yeah, so I was like, oh, just like the olden days, say there's a Blu Ray that there's a Blu. Ray triple pack that's like ENTRAPMENTT, Broken Arrow and fuck what's the other one. It's ENTRAPMENTT, Broken Arrow and speed ooh, or you can get Broken Arrow by itself. But yeah, that hasn't hit for which I'm kind of surprised at it. It's one of those that sometimes the really big movies just nobody does anything with it. Yeah, for a long time.

1:34:09 You know, well, I feel like Broken Arrow isn't talked about much these days, and that movie is criminally underrated at this point. I remember, so I was a kid, I mean I was ten when it came out. Yeah, and I remember the big thing was a campaign to get people to know what broken arrow means. For those who don't know, broken arrow is government military right terminology for a lost nuclear weapon. Yes, and and it's it's great because when you know that, when you watch the film and they report like we have a broken Arrow, they're just like like every like the blood dreams that everybody's faces when they hear that. One of my favorite scenes in that movie is when it's like, I think the first car chase between Slater and Gibolta, and Slater is like on the hood of the car as its speeding, and John Travolta goes such and such, what the fuck are you doing?

1:34:58 Yeah, no, it's so and throws the guests tank and John wu especially, I mean because face Off is a great example too. Yeah. He was always so good at letting the actors be wacky at the right, especially Travolta. Oh yeah, and that's why I mean his any of his work with I mean his work with Nicholas Cage. Also, he was like, and now go for it. Yeah, and he'd be like, Okay, you know, I I love Broken Arrow. Broken Arrow is a must watch if you haven't seen it, and really if you haven't watched it since you know Blockbuster Days, really good revisit. Holds up and also borrowed. Broken Arrow was borrowed music in Scream for Dewey's theme.

1:35:39 That's funny. M hmm, I love that. Yeah. So do we have any emails? You know what? Shut up? We actually we actually do. We actually got because we actually to record these episodes very close. We actually have an email here and it's from Brandon Gore. Well, I don't know if he wants to give his last name, I'll say Brandon. The email gives his full name. And he'd actually been commenting on our Spotify, which you can comment on Spotify. I'll usually reply directly over there. Yeah, but he commented here, and I like the way his subject line is perfect. He said, I like the thing you are doing. And I really appreciate this because I actually mentioned on the last episode that I really get touched when people tell me that a podcast I'm doing brings them the kind of happiness that podcasts have always brought me because I've been a lifelong podcast listener. Yeah, he said.

1:36:33 I have been stuck alone for a few days because of a screwed up ankle, and the pod has been a wonderful tool to feel less lonely. I would like to suggest you're gonna love this and we are going to do it. Okay, we have to, I don't care. I would like to suggest the return of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre aka Texas Chainsaw for the next generation. Fuck me, okay. Wonderful movies that are movies that break your brain, and then he put good luck. Yeah, yeah, I mean I I'm actually a fan of TCM four, but it is the farthest from a TCM movie. I mean, they're not even then. No, we may we no, we may have to. We may have to do that.

1:37:15 That's a movie that I need to revisit it even once more, because. I need to watch the alternate cut on your Blu ray too. I'm down because the thing with that movie is it's so bizarre and so mindless in certain ways that I that it's entertainment values high. Oh yeah, and you know, based on the fact that I consider Jaws for the most enter not best, most entertaining Jaws movie means I would be curious to judge it again because I remember after we rewatched it the one time when we rented it, I bought the Blu Ray immediately I was like, I kind of love how dumb this is, Like I kind of need it. Yeah, it's so it's out there. I mean, that's that that Brandon. We we will definitely entertain that idea, and it most likely will happen.

1:37:56 Yes, and and and Brandon, We're happy to hang out with you, talk in movies and have it a good time. Yeah. I also want to mention if anybody else wants to email us, you can either send us an email at do you even movie pod at gmail dot com or send a message to dooeven movie dot com. We'd love to hear from you, guys, whether it's to suggest a movie, to tell us what you think of our opinions of a movie, whatever it is, we'll be happy to hear from you. You can also leave us a comment on Spotify or if you're watching us on YouTube on YouTube. If you're watching us on YouTube, please do subscribe, yes please, And if you're listening to us via podcast. Make sure you're subscribed there too, and why not leave us a star rating? Yes, ideally five stars, you know I mean? And if you want to come see us in person this Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

1:38:38 Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Yes, the first weekend of April. Yes, a few days after this has gone live. We'll be at the Cinema Wasteland convention in Strongsville, Ohio, which is just outside Cleveland, just outside I'll be there vending and Dave will be lurking. Lurking and drinking shop. I was gonna say sit thing, I was gonna be nice, But yes, will be there. I will be there, and if the weather's nice, you might even catch us smoking cigars in the parking lot. Nice. It would be nice. I'm so happy that I have a room at the hotel for the first time ever. Oh God, you're gonna get so drunk. No, I'm not, I'm not. I might get high. I don't know if I'll get super drunk. Oh god, it's worse. It's not worse, guys, It's worse. Okay, But yeah, we'll be at Cinema Wasteland. Go to Cinema wasteland dot com for more information about the event. It's a really fun horror movie expo, tons of guests to meet, things to buy.

1:39:30 If you're a collector of Felicia Rose, Michael Berryman is the name a few that are gonna be there this time. Ye see Felicia for the first time since we worked together. Hell yeah, I'll see if she remembers me, we'll see. I'm sure she will. I know you made her laugh pretty good on set from what you told me. I had my moments. Yeah. Oh, and Lynn's is Lynn's still gonna be there? I think I still saw Lynn Lowry on the. I think she may have canceled last pot. I can't remember. She's a sweetheart and I enjoyed working with her too. But we'll be there, so, yes, we will. If you happen to be anywhere near Cleveland and you want to hang out with us, let us know. Nothing would shock Dave more than somebody walking in and say I listened to Do you even move? Yeah? Yeah, but be pretty shocking. So, speaking of do you have a movie? Would you like to know what we're talking about next week as April Showers rolls on? No, too bad, because this was your suggestion, Oh, yes, it's time because do you want to party? Yes, I do want to party. Because originally it was gonna be Hurricane Heist, and you texted me back and you said, hey, what if we swap Hurricane Heist for the Return of the Living Dead from nineteen eighty five?

1:40:31 Baby, I mean number one, it's an absolute classic and a movie I haven't sat and like harshly watched it harshly as a strong one, harshly, but like really like watched the hell out intent I usually watch it, you know, I just kind of put it on. Yeah. Well, I mean I think we're both at that level where we've seen it so many times that we can just hear dialogue and picture the scene. Sure. Sure, but I have that brand new four K Yes you do, so we gotta screen it in four K. And if you have not seen More Brains documentary, one of the best documentaries going in depth of a single film I've seen in a while, Well it not. To be that guy, but read the More Brains book. Yes, because not only does it go into incredible depth, but it talks about all five yeah, of the original Return of the Living Dead movie All five. Well, look the chapters about and Rave to the Grave Part four and five. Yes, it's better than the movies because there's so much that happened, and so much that went on, and so many good things and bad things that led to it.

1:41:31 Be go to lengths to say that, even even though I'm a little biased on this because speaking of Alice Cooper Cold Machines, his song from one of my favorite album's, Brutal Planet, is featured in Necropolis. Necropolis is actually way more watchable than I remembered it, being Raved to the Grave less so, Raved to the Grave docless much. But they one of their marketing things was they filmed a portion of the movie in Sure Noble. Yes they did, Yes they did, which takes balls or three. Of them by the time you leave. Yeah. Yeah, And Peter Coyote is just bizarre in it. Yeah. I do enjoy a minute though, But a Return. Of Living Dead and from nineteen eighty five currently available on Pluto MGM plus two V. As you mentioned, there's also a great four KO It's very easy to get ahold of, so if you haven't seen it, which I'm shocked if you have it, but uh, we're getting ready to party next week bab.

1:42:20 So make sure you're subscribed on your favorite podcasting app. And uh also please pack an umbrella because you just never know when the hard rain might show. Well, so, uh, until next time, we will see you. Next drowning, drowning, hard raining? Next, do you want a partying rain? Pun? Next showering. I'm gonna We're done here, all right, I'm leaving