Grumpy Old Men (1993): Lemmon, Matthau and Ann-Margret

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They've been fighting forever. Give it
your best shot, Shrimp. Now there's

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a reason she's fine, says at
least you can make peace with the man.

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Jack Lemmon, Idiot, Walter,
Mathew and Marmott, Kevin Pollock with

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Daryl, Hannah and Burgess Meredith.
Can kids eat my short in the comedy

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You've been waiting for? Grumpy Old
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do you even? Movie? Hosted
by phil maker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado

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David Denier. Spoiler alert, Well, hello, my friends, and welcome

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to another episode, another wintry episode. Yes of do you even movie?

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I'm your host Enrique Kuto here with
double D David whatever. Like I'm I'm

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adopting Burgess, You're adopting Vergus attitude, mannerisms, really everything except as teeth.

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That's fair. I mean, that's
totally fair. So uh, but

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before we talk about that, I
hate to start the show on a really

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sad note, but I'm gonna so. As I mentioned last time, I

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went on a vacation, a work
vacation, but a vacation. That's the

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best you're gonna get for me.
If you get if I go on a

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work vacation, that's that's gonna be
the best it's gonna get. Yeah.

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And when I came back, unfortunately, I was greeted with the reality that

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my my dog, Chicano, it
was time for him to go and for

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me to say goodbye. And so
I've been laying low for a week,

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just kind of recovering from from losing
him. And it's been really hard because

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he was just the coolest dog.
He was. He was my little dude,

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you know. I got him from
a rescue. He was older,

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so I had him for just under
five years. It would have been five

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years in March. And he was
a fearful, sweet dog that grew to

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be wonderful to everybody. Yeah,
he was a wonderful companion to me.

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He was a friend to many people, many animals, you know, mostly

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dogs. He kind of kind of
like cats too much, and he wanted

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to eat like rodents and stuff.
Yeah, but he was a very good

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dog. He had a two year
battle with cancer and that's a hell of

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a thing. You know. We
spent two a year doing surgeries and then

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a year of surgeries in chemotherapy and
I I've had I've had about a week

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to think about it. And cancer
did not take him. Old age took

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him. He was no longer able
to walk or well, he was able

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to walk with a lot of pain, but he couldn't get up at all.

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He couldn't stand, he couldn't get
up himself. And it was because

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he had severe arthritis and it got
so bad. He had early onset arthritis.

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He had arthritis from the moment I
got him. Ya. So I

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had to make that decision, and
it was really awful. It was really

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painful, but but it was way
worse to let him suffer. Yeah,

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that made everything that made me just
hate life watching him lay there in pain.

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So and I'm not going to sit
here and be like so now let

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me describe the youth in Asia.
But it was, it was really hard.

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Dave's been a real, real good
pal through it. I appreciate it,

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man, And definitely we're going to
miss him. All of us are

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going to miss him, especially I
mean, I look back here in the

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fact that he's not behind us right
now, it's just kind of a major

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bummer. But you know, we
have all those memories with him, especially

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Yeah, he used to. He
used to hang out behind us while we

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recorded and take long naps and yeah, he's That's the hardest part is he's

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just really absent. Yeah, it's
it's hard just when he's not where he

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would be, Like even in the
last month or so, when he was

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really declining, it was like he'd
always be snugly in his bed and he'd

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always be ready to eat dinner.
Yep. That boy ate till the day,

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till the moment he died, though, but he didn't want to be

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a butt. Well he was on
a lot of steroids, so he was

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very hungry. Yeah, but yeah, no, it sucks. So I

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just wanted to say something about it. Uh it's super it's super sad.

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And I'm trying not to make every
day, every minute me talking about my

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dead dog. But uh, he
was a big part of my life.

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I worked from home, he was
so I'm always I was always with him,

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and that, you know, made
it harder. Oh, I absolutely

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did. I think what I what
I always just loved about him was like

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he he would want pets, but
he was such a gentle, gentle dude

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that like you had nervous dude,
Yeah, gentle nervous dude that you had

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to be. You had to be
very precise about like getting him to you

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first and then being able to pet
him. And like if we like the

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first couple of pets, like you
would kind of like shake his head.

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No, he would he would like
flinch, but then be like, oh

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wait, I do like being pettied
because he had been. He had been

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I adopted him when he was seven
years old, and he'd been mistreated.

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You know, he had been very
mistreated and then abandoned, and I knew

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taking in a dog his age,
that he wasn't going to be able to

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live a very long time. I
mean, I'm not stupid. I'm definitely

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not delusional about pet ownership. It
crushed me to say goodbye, but I

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knew I had to. Yeah,
Like I absolutely never questioned it. In

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fact, my mom, bless her
heart, you know, she was there

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at the vet and when we were
sitting there with him and he was on

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his little, his little bed at
the vet, my mom was just like

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she was just like, you know
what they're going to say. And I

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looked at her. I was like, Mom, I already called them and

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told them to we were euthanizing it, and my mom was like, oh,

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and I was like, I didn't. I don't. I know,

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there's no coming back from the way
he is, like, and I wouldn't

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want to try. I it got
to a point where I would just pick

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him up so that he could walk
to the food dish. Yeah, and

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then I'd pick him up so he
could walk outside and pee and he'd fall

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half the time. And then I'd
pick him up so he could walk,

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he could go to bed, and
and then it was like I gave that.

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I gave that more time than I
should have. Honestly, I gave

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that about fourteen days of him never
being able to get himself up, and

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then I realized, like, he's
not going to get better. It's time

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he deserves a break. He fought
valiantly. That's why cancer. That's why

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I like to point out, like
cancer didn't take him because he while he

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never fully remission, had he only
had a remission of about two months,

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he fought it off so well and
time just caught up. Yeah, you

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know, That's that's really what comes
down to. When I was talking to

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the oncologist after his remission ended,
she had told me she was like,

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I would just mostly worry about the
fact that he is now very very elderly.

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Yeah, And I was like,
you're right, and she was like,

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have you noticed the way he's walking. I was like yeah. She

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was like, pay attention to that. Don't worry about this cancer crap anymore.

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So, yeah, he got all
his lovin's he got. I mean,

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he was the staple of cigar Night
for a while there. We would

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all make sure that we gave Chiicano
arts. I mean, both dogs got

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our attention, but Chikano especially was
just like he would hang out with us

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and then he would fuck off.
Yeah yeah, no, uh, that

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is absolutely the way it would go. Yeah, so we'll miss him.

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I'll miss my old man. He
was a good, very very good boy,

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the best boy, tough boy.
He was the toughest boy. So

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I don't know, but all right, I want to say scoot down or

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scoot around? I could. I
said scoot toward me. My bad,

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that's no, no, no,
no. This is a perfect learnable moment

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for do you even movie. I
sometimes have to write Dave like messages,

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you know, for the show that
we don't want to say out loud,

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and I literally wrote, scoot toward
me, pushed in to him and he

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moved away, so that if you
want to know what it's like being the

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producer of the show, but much
better. Okay, So with that all

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being said, yeah, I'll miss
him. I'll miss I miss so much

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nearly every day that I would pound
the pavement in my office. He would

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sleep on my feet. That's I
missed that so much. But I I

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didn't even think about it until we
sat down to do the show. This

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movie is a really great choice because
he I used to literally call him my

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grumpy old man because he was He
had a grumpy face. He was he

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was part chow chow and I would
call it resting chowface. He just looked

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mad. He did all the time, and even when he was happy,

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and this emotion. This film is
about what my experience with him was about,

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which is that I mean, for
fu sake, he was surrendered because

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he was old. Yeah, they
put his age was the reason for surrender,

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and he had five almost five,
well he had five more years after

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they surrendered him, and good years. I mean, he really he we

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went all over the place together,
we traveled together, we we we yeah,

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like it was anyway, But that's
kind of my point. Is like

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adopting a senior And I didn't just
adopt one senior dog. I have another

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senior dog who's you know, losing
her ability to walk right right now and

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in front of our table right now. Well, she's taking a very good

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nap right now. She's the production
manager of the show. But uh,

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this movie is also about the fact
that there's more life to live when you're

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old, and how some people forget
that, especially young people. Yeah,

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we we like to not think about
the elderly. Yes, So that all

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being said, I think Grumpy Old
Men, which is a comfort film to

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me, a film that brings me
a lot of joy, is a perfect

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a perfect film for tonight. So
the last thing I'm gonna say is I'm

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just gonna miss Chickano so much.
A he was my good boy. He

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was and uh, you know,
if you uh, if you out there

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viewing listening to this, if you
you know, drink alcohol to celebrate,

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drink something for him, if you
burn tobacco to celebrate, burns something for

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him, because he was a damn
good dog. I'm sorry everybody couldn't meet

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him. I'm sorry everybody in the
world couldn't meet him. He was he

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was something else, you know,
Sorry, you're good man. I took

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him to Freddie Fest at the Mahoning
Drive in the biggest drive in theater in

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America, and they showed the original
six Night ren Elm Street Movies and Chikana

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and I went out there and camped
in the car and I'll never forget I

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was. I put him in a
Freddy Krueger sweater, so we were wearing

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matching Freddie sweaters. And the woman
who played Greta in Night ren Elm Street

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five was there and she got up
from her table like left the autographed sightings

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and just just like can I pet
him? And just started petting him and

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was like, who is this this? What is his name? Tell me

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about him? And that was just
the coolest. So yeah, so I'm

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doing the show. I'm in a
little bit of pain. I haven't really

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worked worked in almost a week,
which is insane for me. Uh So,

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Dan, all right, you want
to get into this. Oh I

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thought you were going to take your
turn to cry. You know I can

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cry, don't worry. So Dave
Grumpy Old Men, Grumpy old Man About

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the Deats, nineteen ninety three,
one hour in forty three minutes, pg.

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Thirteen. This film is directed by
Donald Petrie. He was an actor

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that went into directing. He started
as an actor in nineteen seventy six of

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One Day at a Time, did
The Turning Point in nineteen seventy seven.

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He was on The Waltons in seventy
eight, Incredible Hulk in seventy eight,

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Eight is Enough in seventy nine,
Buck Rogers, the Hearst Little House in

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the Prairie. FOI Depache on the
Bronze Falcon Crest in nineteen eighty three.

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All Roads Lead to Falcon Crest,
Why Me in nineteen eighty four, Misdirection

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into twenty ten, even the film
Noah in twenty twelve. He started becoming

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a director in eighty though with eighty
five he did an episode of mcguiver,

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an episode of Amazing Stories in eighty
five, La Law Mystic Pizza was kind

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of where he started getting his name
first out there. Then he followed that

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with The Opportunity Knox in nineteen ninety, pickt Fences ninety two. One year

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later he does a Grumpy old Man. Then he does Richie Rich in ninety

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four, Really Like I Love for
Two Rooms. That may be a future

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episode because I really love that movie. I think it's kind of underrated.

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I think so too. McDonald's in
his house, in his house, roller

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Coaster out Back. Ever there were
a nineties kid concept, Yeah, it

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would be you have a McDonald's in
their home anyway. Yeah, so The

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Associate ninety six, My favorite Martian
film in ninety nine, I love my

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favorite Marchin Dude. This is where
I love his filmography. Mister Congeniality two

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thousand, Wow, How to Lose
a Guy in Ten Days in two thousand

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and three, These are all really
good. Welcome to the Moose Sport two

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thousand and four, Are you fucking
kidding? Nope? And then Just My

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Luck He goes to work in Lindley
Ohan twice, Just My Luck two thousand

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and six, My Life in Ruins
two thousand and nine, Chicago Justice twenty

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seventeen, Chicago MED twenty eighteen,
Chicago PD twenty nineteen. So we kind

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of went to TV after like late
twenty ten, in to Chicago and Chicago.

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So then our writer on this is
Mark Stephen Johnson. He was this

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was his first big writing that he
got credit for Grumpy Old Men in ninety

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three. Does a grumpy year old
Men in ninety five, Big Bully in

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nineteen ninety six, the Tom Arnold
Rick Baranas movie. I I want to

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revisit Big Bully. It's been so
bad. It's been passing around on Max

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and in Showtime. I want to
say recently. I don't know if it's

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still on there now, but yeah, i'd be down. I would love

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to rewatch that. Simon Birch in
ninety eight, Jack Frost in ninety eight,

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Daredevil, two thousand three, Killer
Snowman Movie, No No. He

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wrote the Michael Keaton one. Oh
wait, I mean I guess in both

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Do You Even? Movie? Will
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You Even? Movie? He is
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A little Bit, A little bit
Elector of two thousand and five, ghost

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Writer two thousand and seven, Christopher
Robin in twenty eighteen, Love and No

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Villa twenty twenty two. He also
was the director of Simon Birtch, director

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of Daredevil, director of Ghostwriter,
Win in Rome, Killing Season Finding,

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Steve McQueen, Love Guaranteed, in
Love of a Villa. He started doing

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some Hallmark stuff in the last like
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okay, So Mark Stephen Johnson's our
writer, finishing us off with our

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background as our cinematographer Johnny E.
Jensen. He was a technician on Woody

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Allen's Bananas in seventy one. Okay, camera tech, Yeah, Camera tech

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of The Godfather in seventy two.
Goes on to do assistant camera for Doctor

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Minx in nineteen seventy five, Texas
Detour seventy eight, Altered States in nineteen

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eighty, Cutter's Way in eighty one, becomes an operator on the talking Head

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film Stop Making Sense in eighty four, but then his cinematographer career kicked in

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in eighty six with Shattered Spirits,
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nine. When you remember me nineteen
ninety How many movies are just called spy?

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I don't know. There's got to
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Yeah, right, I would think
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one, Rambling Rose ninety one,
Lost in Yonkers ninety three, Grumpy Old

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Men ninety three and g ninety four, Three Wishes in ninety five, Rose,

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Which is that movie I want to
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The Ladies Man two thousand Morelas Fairry, the infamous Henry Rowlins Billy Zane

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Western from two thousand and one,
say what Morgan's fairy? No, No,

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I heard you, but I didn't
hear. Henry Rollins is the villain

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in it, and I believe Billy
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I have not seen it. I've
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talks about in one of his spoken
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course you would hunt that down.
Why is a Girl's two thousand and two,

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Dragnet the TV series, and three
Material Girls six. He also finishes

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out with Heartland in two thousand and
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that's quite a career. Speaking with
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that's right, it's hell of a
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God love Saturday It Live. They'll
be like, hey, you know,

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no one even liked this sketch to
begin with, So let's make a feature

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film Superstar Ladies Man. It's pat
the movie Superstar. The character from Superstar

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was really popular. Yeah, but
that movie no one remembers. Well,

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no, no, I think like
the only three SNL successful movies would be

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Wayne's World Night at the Roxbury,
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I don't know how well it did
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get the other one, Coneheads,
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yeah, I mean Wayne's World so
big that people forgot it was an SNL

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movie. Yeah, it was such
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that's when we should do on the
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good it holds up bizarrely the sequel. I wasn't a big fan of the

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sequel for a while, while in
the last couple of watches I've had on

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it, I really liked it.
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the same team as the first one. They did it. They did it

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really well. Dave, we need
to get Wayne's World on the docket,

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because I bet you don't know that
there is a legend. I'm serious,

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and this is not like a build
up to like haha, just pok in

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your eye. No, but no, no joke. There is an urban

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legend that the origin of Wayne's World. It's from dateon d I'm not going

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to spoil it until we know you
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was around to be told the legend
and like giggling whispers in a control room

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at a television station. And I
won't share it today. We'll put Wayne's

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World on the docket for when the
snow melts. And uh that one's just

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so good I could I could almost. Uh so, like we watched David

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and I you know, not too
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and show that you know, showed
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try to take a fun approach to
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we watched the film once fresh and
then we come and we sit down and

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we get in the studio and we
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We didn't even bother watching. We
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so many times together alone and waynees
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almost one I could skip, probably
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anyway, but we're talking about Wayness
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snl movies. But I will say
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cult phenomenous. Yeah, like they
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was just thinking here, I was
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SNL movie. They have a way
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pretty interesting. The video I mean, well, the video age absolutely saved

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some of those I would say,
I'm pretty sure that those like ended every

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career Like, uh, Corky Rabano, you said career ending it, I'm

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like, oh, oh, poor
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David. All right, So getting
back to grow upy old men. So,

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our synopsis from IMDb is John and
Max are elderly men living next door

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to each other. They're continuously arguing
and insulting each other and have been this

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way for over fifty years. One
day, Ariel moves into across the street,

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and both men are attracted her,
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The rivalry steps up a gear.
Now say revelry. No. My

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synopsis is two elderly men in a
lifelong feud since childhood, worse than their

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behaviors toward each other with the arrival
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I mean that's pretty good. I
think your your description is good,

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except skipping over the romantic element a
little too fast by just saying a new

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female neighbor. Yeah, I would
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they end up in a very unexpected
love triangle. But I think that's a

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very good I think that's an apt
breakdown of grumpy old men and I a

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lot of these movies, and it's
becoming very apparent why you and I are

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acquaintances. Storry. When you're in
the hospital, much like Martin, Like,

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sorry, what's Jack? No,
no, no, no, no,

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well Jack Lenine's hospital. But what's
the other actor's name? Mike be

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Walter Mathow? Thank you? Much
like Walter Mathow. Once you're in the

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hospital and I know you might die, I'll admit to one nurse. I'll

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admit to one nurse or my friend. Yes, I promise that's fair.

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I promise you that. But uh, but no, you like a lot

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of movies. Maybe it's because of
your older sister or something, but you

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like a lot of movies that were
like right in my era. So like

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when you started talking about grumpy old
men, I'm like, Dave, I

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remember the TV spots. Yeah,
you know you were you were born in

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ninety two. I was born in
eighty six. Yeah. So it's like

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I remember the TV spots. I
remember like next time, next show,

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we're doing ravenous and I was telling
you, I was like you were saying,

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like, yeah, it seems like
they didn't do a good job marketing.

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I'm like, I remember thinking the
trailer was awesome on television, you

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know, because I was there for
a lot of that stuff. Yeah,

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but that's a lot of the stuff
you're picking. That's the funniest part is

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you're the one picking the stuff.
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gig. No, I love the
thing. And I think with our friendship

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in particular when it comes to films
is we rely on a lot of cable

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stays from our days that we repeatedly
saw on TV but also then grew up

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to love even more than we would
have realized. Well, cable mainstays are

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they're a double edged sword, because
it's like, oh, man, I

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always loved that movie, but also
I don't know if I've seen the first

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six minutes more than once. Yeah, you know, like I've seen most

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of the movie a lot. Yeah, And Grumpy Old Men was always on

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television, always on so our cast
in this one, as we mentioned,

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already. Jack Lemon plays John Gustafin. He had a hundred credits on his

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resume. If you don't know the
name Jack Lemon, I'm very surprised,

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because I mean he was even towards
the end of his career, he was

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still pretty active on screen. People
prefer Jacklin Jacklme. So he starts off

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in nineteen forty nine with the Philco
Television Playhouse, It Should Happen to You

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in nineteen fifty four, Mister Roberts
in fifty five, Fire Down Below,

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in fifty seven bella Book and Candle, which is a movie on my list.

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That is a Jimmy Stewart going after
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movie. Really that sounds amazing.
Yeah, nineteen fifty eight, Some Like

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It Hot, nineteen fifty nine,
the classic I Love Some Like It Hot.

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Then he goes on into the Apartment
in nineteen sixty The Wackiest Ship in

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the Army, How to Murder Your
Wife, The Fortune Cookie, The Odd

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Couple, Roan and Martin's Laugh in
The Out of Towners Avanti, Save the

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Tiger, Prisoner of Second Avenue Airport, seventy seven, The China Syndrome Missing

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That's Life, Dad JFK the player
Glengary Glenn Ross, grumpy old man,

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grumpier old man. I always forget
about him. And he's so good at

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Glengarry. Do you think do you
think you remember Old Gil on Simpsons?

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chance for old Gill where they gets hit

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by car whatever. I feel like
that character was based on his Glengary Glenn

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Ross. He was very like down
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why is this guy so sad?
His life is existence is situationd so sad?

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So my fellow Americans in nineteen ninety
six have you ever seen my fellow

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Americans? Was he? Was he
the president? Yeah? It's him and

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James Garner. I love that out
for an assassination, the assassination attempt on

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their lives. So I adore that. Oh it was so good. Yeah,

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that's a very good hamlet. In
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which was the last reuniting of Mathou
and Lemon. In ninety seven, they

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did a remake of Twelve Angry Men
in ninety seven, The Odd Couple two.

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Oh wait, a couple two?
Was last one? Dumb? You

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think? Inherit the Wind In ninety
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Hit the Wind was nineteen ninety nine. Yeah, because that's the thing I

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remember Jack Lemon for the most We
watched that in high school. That was

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the tail end of his career.
Was that one for the TV of the

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TV version? Well, so that
means that was like brand new when they

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were showing it just in school.
Probably. No, He's excellent and inherit

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The Wind fantastic film. So our
next cast remember one of my and Hen's

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personal favorites, Walter Matho, who
plays Max Goldman. One hundred and seven

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credits for Mathou, by the way, beats beats Lemon by seven, and

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I'm sure he's happy about that.
So like fuck you you adawmn Swede.

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So he does The Big Story in
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well, also on the Philco television
playofs which is where those two met.

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Okay, that makes sense, yea
the Kentucky in in nineteen fifty five,

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Indian Fighter fifty five facing the crowd, King Crale voice in the Mirror Gangster

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Story in fifty nine, creole.
It's okay if I shouldn't say the word

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creole anyway, let's just keep moving
unless you're talking about foods. Stage Stranger's

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movie In nineteen sixty he does Alfred
Hitchcock Presents in eighty one, Lonely Are

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the Brave in sixty two or sixty
one for presents, Naked City in sixty

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two, Charade and sixty three,
one of my favorite roles of his because

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he plays a villain. I could
see him being a good villain. He's

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a very good villain. He also
does It's Him Audrey Hepburn and God who's

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the leading that one? But that's
a really like underrated, uh crime thriller.

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It's got some humor to it.
Yeah. I always of Mathow,

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but I had this weird thing the
two old men actors that I just thought

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were the best when I was like, I'm talking young. Yeah, we're

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Walter Mathow and Charles Groden. I
lovedown Croden just has a face. Well.

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I Foundroden in Beethoven, Yeah,
and I found Mathou in Dennis the

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Menace. Yeah. So yeah,
like I just like I always liked them

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a lot. Yeah, those two
were fantastic. So continues into nineteen sixty

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eight with the Odd Couple Candy in
sixty eight as well, Hello Dolly,

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Charlie Arrick, which is a really
really good crime thiller that I showed my

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dad a couple of years ago that
I think you would like, where Mathow

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was just a badass. I would
love to watch Mathow be a badass.

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Then he goes on to do the
Laughing Policeman. Another crime thriller, Bruce

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Durnaan seventy three, The Taking a
pell of one two three, the original

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with Robert Shaw, And that's a
really really good movie as well. Earthquake,

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Earthquake, the front page Bad News
Bears in seventy six, California.

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Sweet, I love the Bad News
Betters Bears for the record, Such a

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nobody can be as apathetic the Children's
Pain. Yeah as Walter Matt I mean,

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Billy bouth Thornton did a damn good
job in that remake. But oh

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no no, but but he wasn't
apathetic, No, he was like very

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good. You're bleeding Hopscott in nineteen
eighty he does the Survivors in eighty three,

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the Robin Williams Walter Mathow movie.
I showed you last year. That

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was so what's so weird? Who's
that movie for? If you up there

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out there if you have not seen
Survivors. With the Survivors Survivors, it

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is literally a comedy about about like
doomsday militias. Yeah, don't ask me.

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Oh, and Robin Williams gets fired
by a parrot and it's probably like

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one of the funniest movie. Then
he does Pirates in eighty six, The

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Countrip eighty eight, also in JFK
in ninety one, by the way,

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Oh okay, yeah, Dennis the
Menace ninety three, Grumpy Old Men ninety

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three. Oh, that was the
same same year IQ in ninety four where

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he plays Albert Einstein. Oh,
I remember that movie. He was an

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interesting choice for Einstein. He did
a good job. He did, grew

404
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:06.400
U year Old Men in ninety five
out to C ninety seven, The Odd

405
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:10.359
Couple of ninety eight and Hanging Up
in two thousand. They passed I believe

406
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:14.119
it was seven days apart. I
think Lemon passed first and then Mathow passed

407
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:15.400
seven days after. Well, Matho
wouldn't allow it any other way. He

408
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.839
wouldn't allow it anyway. So we
have to talk about the credit. Yeah,

409
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:26.480
that obviously made all of this movie
happen. The Odd Couple, The

410
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:30.240
Odd Couple absolutely one of my all
time favorite comedies, all time favorite movies.

411
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.960
I actually got to screen it for
the Hain crowd a year ago and

412
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.680
a lot of them had never seen
it before. Wow. For those who

413
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.160
don't know, The Hater is a
culture center. That's the worst. Yes,

414
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:47.680
White people come up with so many
interesting cultural center for a place where

415
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:49.839
people watch movies. They're like,
this is a culture center. It's an

416
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.799
art place there. Yeah, you
have exhibitsya. I was gonna say it's

417
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.839
like a community space for enjoying entertainment. Yeah, yeah, company. I

418
00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.039
was just gonna use like a vague
term, but no, no. And

419
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.160
and you've often helped curate and promote
events there. Yes. So meanwhile,

420
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:07.440
when I do events, I'm just
like, we're gonna watch Project Metal Beast.

421
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:12.319
You should you should start giving me
once a month at the Hater.

422
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:17.799
My god, just uh three months
in a row Project metal Beast. But

423
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:22.519
you see, he's a metal beast. But it's a project that makes him

424
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.359
that. Do you know that's on
DVD now you can actually get a physical

425
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.599
copy. It's a burn of course, but probably is available to Oh yeah,

426
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:30.480
but soon it'll be on Blu Ray. As the world runs out,

427
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:37.279
of movies to be remastered. Then
I will get my project. Metal Beast

428
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.880
four keeps pushing, probably but no
so. But it's important to mention the

429
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.680
odd couple put them both on the
map, and show business gave them both

430
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:52.240
a career. Both of them were
very uh we're actors who proved later on

431
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.359
how good they were. Their versatility
just there is no end to it.

432
00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.960
I mean, I've seen Lemon Bee
a very scary guy. I've seen Walter

433
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.759
Matth I'll be a scary guy.
I've seen them be complete like heart throbs

434
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:08.039
for you know, just the slapstick
humor and just over heart throbs for slapstick

435
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:15.759
heart thoughts is not the right word. What whatever, that's my train of

436
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:23.920
thought. English Man. Uh,
you guys heard that right? Like throbs?

437
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:37.079
Yes, do you Even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome

438
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:44.880
back to do You Even movie?
But no, like I mean, their

439
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.599
versatility just has no ends. I've
seen them do roles of all kinds and

440
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.400
they never disappoint. They always just
know how to sell a performance and a

441
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:57.400
character especially, and the So Grumpy
Old Men was like a huge reunion of

442
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:01.480
them in their older It's actually in
my in my notes, which I was

443
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:04.880
saving for the end. But I'll
tell you now, this was originally supposed

444
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:09.000
to be Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra, but their health were failing towards this

445
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:13.640
point, and they kind of sucked. They well, and they did.

446
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.839
I didn't feel like they had this
buddy buddy. I mean, like,

447
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.079
yeah, they held the rat pack
of course. Oh no, No,

448
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:21.400
I get why they wanted them,
and I'm sorry to say they sucked.

449
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:24.480
They didn't suck, but like Sinatra's
a singer, Yeah, who did some

450
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:29.319
acting. Oh my apologies. No, Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis. That

451
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:31.519
makes Oh no, that makes total
sense. Yeah, my apologies. This

452
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:35.359
freaking guy made me look like a
jerk. No, that makes perfect sense.

453
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.480
That would have totally the roles,
but declined due to Martin's uh frail

454
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:42.480
health which prevented him from taking the
role. I mean it makes sense.

455
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:46.200
He was, he was very up
there and uh and math out. I'm

456
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.720
sorry at this point in Jerry Lewis's
career, I don't There's a movie that

457
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:53.400
I love that I just discovered last
year called Funny Bones that Lewis is a

458
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:55.880
big part of, but I don't
really think he was doing much around this

459
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:04.960
time, well, he kind of
look America shockingly got tired of making fun

460
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:08.160
of women in the mentally challenged,
So Jerry Lewis kind of lost his There's

461
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:12.119
that old there's that whole joke.
When I was growing up, the joke

462
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:16.200
always was the French love Jerry Lewis. Yeah, that's why he's there now.

463
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.440
Yeah, but no, I mean
there's a lot to like about Jerry

464
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.079
Lewis's career and his performances, and
I think that would have been a great

465
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:30.240
swan song for them. But they
there's something about this film that is so

466
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:39.039
masterfully effortless. They it is so
easy to watch them interact, like like

467
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:45.039
the camera's not even there, it's
just them being in the out takes.

468
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:47.880
At the end of the film,
there's a part where where math How is

469
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.440
eire filming his close up where he's
saying, you know, he's watching them

470
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.160
drive away, and Lemon decided to
like lean into the frame and be like

471
00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:01.440
who's leaving, and math How was
just like like just breaks when Tea Yeah,

472
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:04.880
he whts a tear from his eye
because he thought that was so funny.

473
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.199
Yeah, because you know, they're
serious actors, so he like was

474
00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:12.079
really getting himself in the moment and
imagining everything to do the performance, and

475
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.400
then all of a sudden, Lemon
just leans in and who's leaving, And

476
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.360
then it just clicks with him that
He's like, oh my God, and

477
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:23.559
I just love that. I don't
even get the vibe that they're friends.

478
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:27.800
I get the vibe that it's deeper
than that. I could see that.

479
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.280
No. Wo so, but all
we can expand on that more as we

480
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:31.800
talk about the film. Yeah,
and getting into the last of our credits,

481
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.760
we have Ann Margaret who plays Aerial
True Rox on this. She was

482
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:37.760
a singer on the Jack Benny Program
in nineteen sixty one, goes on to

483
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:43.320
do American Bandstand sixty one. She
performed at the thirty fourth Academy Awards in

484
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.480
nineteen sixty two, Wow Yeah,
Okay, at Sullivan Show in sixty three,

485
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:50.320
the Flintstones in sixty three. She
also got The Ann Margaret Show in

486
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:52.000
sixty eight. This is all of
her singing career. Her acting was taken

487
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.760
off in the background as well too, but she was also singing while she

488
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:58.320
was acting. For the most part. She'd Pocket Full of Miracles in sixty

489
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:02.360
one State Fair Viva las Vega is
The Cincinnati Kids Stagecoach, The Cheap Detective

490
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.199
fifty two Pickup in nineteen eighty six, which is a really really good crime

491
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.840
thriller with Roy Schreider, John Glover
and Ann Margaret. Really, I'm gonna

492
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:15.920
show you that one. Huh yeah, New Life in eighty eight, New

493
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.920
Season ninety two, does Grumpy Old
Men in ninety three, Scarlet, which

494
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.519
is the sequel to Gone with the
Win for TV in ninety four, Grumpy

495
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:23.840
Er Old Men in ninety five.
She does Blue Rodeo in ninety six,

496
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:28.159
Any Given Sunday ninety nine, Touched
by An Angel two thousand, The Tenth

497
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.960
Kingdom two thousand, Taxi, the
remake of the Taxi series in two thousand

498
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:34.760
and four, Oh, the Breakup
in two thousand and six, The Santa

499
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.440
Claus three, Ray Donovan Going in
Style. Oh, she was on Ray

500
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:42.039
Donad was on Ray Donovan. Yeah
remember that Happy The Christopher Maloney cartoon,

501
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.559
The Crazy Cartoon, Rabbit Show,
Oh yeah, twenty nineteen, and Holiday

502
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.599
Spectacular, a Hallmark thing she just
did recently in twenty twenty two. Oh.

503
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.119
Well, good, she's still kicking
around, still going at it,

504
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.519
so yeah, very good. When
did you first come into Grumpy Old Men.

505
00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:00.239
Well, it's a very personal question. Yeah, I mean it was

506
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:10.960
on TV and well see young'in let
me tell you something about life in the

507
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:16.199
Old Dade. When I was but
a boy, Grumpy Old Men was on

508
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:22.079
HBO. I was not watching it
on Comedy Central. That was like that

509
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.079
was me in high school. It
was on Comedy Central. I never saw

510
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:31.159
it on those channels at all.
It was always so But I remember my

511
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:38.519
mother just laughing her ass off at
this movie. She loved the odd Couple,

512
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:43.119
so she wanted to watch it.
We might have even rented it that

513
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.920
I don't remember. That would have
been I would have been in ninety three,

514
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.400
I would have been six, you
know, or something like that.

515
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:53.079
I'm I'm not a math technician,
Okay, I'm a heart throb for math.

516
00:36:54.000 --> 00:37:05.480
Yeah, Enrique is right and also
handsome, I'll but no. So

517
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:09.440
I remember catching it on HBO often
and really enjoying it. That's also where

518
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.840
I saw the Dennis the Menace movie
all the time. That makes sense.

519
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.480
It was on HBO because they were
newer movies. Yeah, so, yeah,

520
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:20.880
I'd always gotten a kick out of
it. I remember when I got

521
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:23.440
older, like in my late teens
and stuff being like, Wow, this

522
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:29.320
is really good, like this is
very very funny, outwardly funny. And

523
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.280
then when I revisited it for the
first time as an adult, probably when

524
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:37.679
I was like twenty nine or thirty, I lost it. I could not

525
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:43.320
believe how funny it wasn't how heart
wrenching it was. Oh yeah, so

526
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:45.440
that was my experience with it,
But what about you? So, like

527
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.519
I said earlier, this, I
mean, this was on cable all the

528
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.239
time growing up, so my parents
were always watching it. I would catch

529
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.039
it in random spots I would and
usually would watch the whole thing. But

530
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:58.679
it wasn't until like about a twenty
I think like twenty fifteen or so.

531
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:02.119
I had gotten a really really bad
flu and I was going home from work

532
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.760
and I had to stop and get
a couple of things, and it just

533
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:07.239
so happened. I had to have
been Walmart, because I don't know where

534
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:09.760
else there would have been been a
Blu Rays, although it may it may

535
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:13.159
have been a Kroger. I probably
wasn't Kroger, but there was just the

536
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.320
thing of Blue Rays out and I
was Kroger did not carry Blu Rays long

537
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:19.280
it was. It wasn't like a
regular thing. It was like these little

538
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.159
sale boxes they would have like throughout
the aisles of Oh yeah, yeah,

539
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.360
I gotch And I remember like I
was grabbing my crackers and my ginger ale

540
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:29.599
and whatever the hell else I needed
before I went home and hermited and I

541
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:30.639
was like, you know what,
I'm just gonna see if there's a movie

542
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:34.039
in here. And I saw Grumpy
Old Men double pack, and I was

543
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.039
like, I haven't seen that in
forever. So I took it home and

544
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.280
you know, I'm trying to heal
from a flu and whatnot, and I'm

545
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:43.840
watching Grumpy Old Men. And I
immediately finished it and went into Grumpy Old

546
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:45.559
Men because I had such a damn
good time with it. It's such a

547
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:51.360
sweet movie and it's so much fun
and also just completely gets you in that

548
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.159
winter movie. It's a perfect winter
movie. It takes place in Minnesota.

549
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:59.639
Well, Bosh wab a shot Waba
shot Wabishop, Minnesota, and it was

550
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:04.760
shot in Minnesota. Yeah, and
so it's it's all tons of snow,

551
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:09.599
plows, ice fishing. It's just
well very that and a great supporting cast

552
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:14.599
of Darryl Han, Daryl Hannah,
Kevin Pollack, Ozzie Davis, and even

553
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.119
Christopher McDonald schows up at one point
too. Plus you have Burgess Meredith as

554
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:21.199
the grandfather at best, he's the
best. This movie is just so much

555
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:24.039
not as the grandfather, he's just
the father. Our main characters are elderly.

556
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:27.880
Yeah, that's right, like what
they call him, Grandpa ghost of

557
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:31.559
Facility. I love that. Uh. And that's one of the best parts

558
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:35.280
of this movie is that Jack Levan's
character is stopping around. He's like his

559
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.960
dad out there today. You're like
dad, And it's Burges just married as

560
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:44.239
old as hell, yeah, and
twice as oranery as usual, portraying ninety

561
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:45.880
four years old. He was eighty
five at the time of this role.

562
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:50.519
Wow, yeah he was. He
must not have been kicking around much longer.

563
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:55.679
Seventeen years younger than Lemon. Wow. I believe that though, Yeah,

564
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:59.079
I believe that. All right.
So we're ready to break down grupy

565
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.719
old men. I mean sure,
all right. So we open with a

566
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:07.079
beautiful shot of an ice fishing tense
as the train rolls through Wabashaw. We

567
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.000
see the town is just snow covered. We're in Rock Island, Wabashaw,

568
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:13.880
and we meet John Gustafson and he
is trying to flee his home because there's

569
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.159
a gentleman outside his house knocking on
the door from the IRS. And well,

570
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:19.920
first of all, that's no gentleman. That's an agent of the federal

571
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.039
government. Yeah, no gentleman at
all. And let's just understand, as

572
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:28.400
your style guide lifestyle coach, lifestyle
coach, style guide of the program,

573
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.639
you don't trust a fed. Nah, a fed is a fed is a

574
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:36.639
fed. Yeah. Anyway, so
he's fleeing from his house. He goes

575
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:39.400
out the window, goes down the
side of his roof, and he sneaks

576
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:42.840
out the back and that's when he
runs into Max, who's asking him what

577
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:44.800
he's doing. He's like, keep
it down, keep it down. And

578
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:46.239
they walk around the side of the
house together, and that's when mister Stider

579
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.320
from the IRS comes up to them. He's like, you know, have

580
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.320
you seen John Gustison. And that's
when we get to see how much Max

581
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.360
thinks of him, because he's like, oh, yeah, he's he's he

582
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:58.559
hasn't been around lately. You might
want to check the clubs, you know,

583
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:00.519
the clubs were men dare Yeah,
those no, he says, those

584
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:06.079
pervert clubs, all the ones where
the men take off their clothes. Uh,

585
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:07.719
and that's great because yeah, Jack
Lemon standing right next to him,

586
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:12.360
to him, but he's also but
here's the thing. It's a perfect establishment

587
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.719
of their relationship. Yeah, because
what he's actually doing is covering the coming

588
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:17.079
for him. But he's just busting
his balls while he does it. Yeah,

589
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:20.440
so he's just like, he's like, oh because remember he says,

590
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.079
he's like, and that's just what
he does. If he's taking his medicine,

591
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.440
medicine. If he's not taking his
medicine, he's probably wandering around talking

592
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:29.559
to trees or something. Yeah,
it's so good. It's such a great

593
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:30.960
So Snyder hands in his card and
he's like, you know, when you

594
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:32.719
see him, like, you know, make sure he contacts me. And

595
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:35.400
John takes the car. He's like, oh yeah, yeah I will,

596
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:37.599
and they walk off. Watch they
walk him, watch him slip in the

597
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.800
ice, which I love. Oh
yeah, so good. Oh oh yeah,

598
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.320
slip slick out there. So they
notice that someone's moving in across the

599
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.559
street as they see movers unloading a
truck. There's some sculptures, there's some

600
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:51.599
paintings, but they don't see the
homeowner yet. So John returns to his

601
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.760
home and he finds the letter that
Snyder looked under his door, which basically

602
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.639
says he has thirty days to pay
or he's gonna have to vacate the premises

603
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.960
because they're taking the house. Yeah, it's his final notice. So the

604
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.320
two are awoken late that night by
sounds of a skidoo going up and down

605
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.280
the street at one forty four in
the morning. They go to their window

606
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.480
and watch the rider pull up in
front of the house and takes off her

607
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:14.519
helmet to reveal Ariel, the new
neighbor. Yes, played by Ann Margaret.

608
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:19.000
Yeah, and it's a very surprising
moment because Lemon's just like, who's

609
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:21.719
making all that annoying racket? And
then she pulls the helmet off and you

610
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.920
see the big red hair. Yep. Yeah, that's good stuff. So

611
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:28.360
the next morning, John and Max
brush off their cars and they're discussing their

612
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.159
families and Max tells them that his
son Jacob's coming over later and John tells

613
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.000
them that Melody be coming over and
they should make sure they have the two

614
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.079
meat and we see Ariel come out
of her house and she gets into her

615
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:40.519
jeep and drives off. John goes
to visit Chuck who is his buddy who

616
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:44.679
owns the general store near the lake
where they ice fish, played by Ozzy

617
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:50.920
and played effortlessly, wonderfully by Ozzy
Davis. Ozzy Davis an incredible character actor,

618
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:54.519
probably more credits than both of them
combined. Honestly, he also lived

619
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:59.960
a lot longer than they. Surprise
me, Ozzie Davis just straight up goat

620
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:04.800
MVP. I mean, most people
remember him. He has a very memorable

621
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.760
moment in what one hundred and thirteen
credits? Dang, Yeah, so he

622
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.920
beats both of them. Yeah,
I believe it. Uh, But he

623
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:14.800
was in Bubba Hotep, which a
lot of people because that was a very

624
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.800
memorable role he plays. For those
who have never seen Bubba Hotap, he

625
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:22.760
plays John F. Kennedy, the
President who was never killed. Instead,

626
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:27.719
they took a piece of his brain
and then, and I'm quoting the movie,

627
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:30.559
they dyed his skin black so no
one would believe him yep, and

628
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:34.599
stuck him in a nursing home.
It's so good God that if you haven't

629
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.719
seen Bubba Hotap, this is this
is the year that you need to see

630
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.920
Bubba Hotep because it just celebrated.
It's like, what twentieth anniversary. I

631
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.320
think it was. I think that
was last year. Yeah, last year,

632
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.000
yeah, yeah, yeah, And
Dave, I can't recommend enough seeing

633
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:50.760
it the drive in with Joe Bob
Briggs hosting it. If d why are

634
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.719
you so mad? Why you so
mad? Because I want to go to

635
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:58.360
a jamboree just once. Well,
have to win a lottery. They're not

636
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.880
that expense, they're expensive, and
you want to do all the things.

637
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:02.159
Hey, I only did two.
Yeah, I didn't do the third one

638
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:06.920
in Vegas. So Chuck is talking
to John and John gets his beer and

639
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.480
his worms to go fishing. He
then drives to the lake and meets his

640
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:14.599
father, who is a grandpa Goosefsen
played by Burgess Meredith and my god,

641
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:16.599
this is one of his best roles. Oh he's you can tell he is

642
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:22.039
having a time. He's just going
ham smoking cigarettes but throwing at in you

643
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:24.639
windows. And of course John tells
about the new neighbor and Guffson says,

644
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.000
what are you too young? Why
don't you go after her? Well?

645
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.480
No, The first thing he says
is he says like it's a woman moved

646
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:31.639
into the so and s house,
And he goes, did you mountain?

647
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:37.400
Did you mount her, did you
mount her? I'm just I'm saying it

648
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:45.119
again so that everybody can understand his
first question was did you mount her?

649
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.280
And that meredith way that he can
only say it, well, he literally

650
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:52.079
can't help it. There may be
something horribly wrong with him, just maybe.

651
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:54.679
So the two return home the same
time as Max is bragging and showing

652
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:58.800
off this huge line of fish that
he caught, while John just got like

653
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:02.519
this, Me's one two, yeah, Measley two. And John retaliates then

654
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:06.079
by taking one of the fish off
the line and putting it right into the

655
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.400
back seat of Max's car, which, honestly, with how cold it was

656
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:13.159
in Minnesota, I feel like it
would have taken a really long time for

657
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.760
staying start. But that's just me. So later that night, there's a

658
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:17.400
knock on the door, which makes
John think that Snyder's back, so he

659
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:21.400
goes to his window sneaks out on
the roof, except he slips off the

660
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:23.480
roof, falling down into the snow, right in front of Ariel, who

661
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:28.039
smiles at him, and he tries
to explain himself, but she just asked

662
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.880
if she can come inside and use
the bathroom, boasting that she can tell

663
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.800
a lot about a person just by
seeing their bathroom. I suppose that's true.

664
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:37.519
I would think so. I mean, your bathroom says a lot about

665
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:39.639
you. I mean it used to
before we took care of all the nautical

666
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:44.760
theme to it. You took care
of the nautical theme. You don't remember

667
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:49.360
when we redid the bat what the
bathroom looked like older versus now when we

668
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.719
did the we redid it a year
and a half ago. I actually I

669
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.559
apologize. I don't subscribe to your
bathroom blog. You helped me move in,

670
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.880
don't remind me I should have never
done. I should from now on.

671
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.320
David, huh, I'll only help
you move if you're moving out of

672
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:07.280
the scale. O. Yes,
do you even? Movie? Will be

673
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:23.400
right back. Welcome back to do
you even? Movie? So she returns,

674
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:28.239
telling him that it's fascinating, asking
him if he'd like to introduce himself,

675
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:30.039
and she says that she already knows
his name, and admits to stealing

676
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.679
his mail to learn a little bit
more about him. But there's nothing there

677
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:37.440
to learn. It's not a big
confession. She's just like I looked,

678
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:38.360
I went through your mail. It's
a really good way to get to know

679
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:43.480
something. So she makes herself comfortable, sitting down at his chest table and

680
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:46.599
telling him that she teaches classic literature, and before introducing herself to him as

681
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:50.679
Ariel, she explains that her past
she was a teacher, that she's just

682
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.480
moved to the area to continue teaching
classic literature as well, and she also

683
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:58.239
questions if he's heterosexual or homosexual.
Yeah, because when she finds Outny singles

684
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:00.719
she knows heterosexual or homosexual Yeah,
which it stifles him for me, He's

685
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:05.519
just like what Yeah, And it
should be mentioned she is like the epitome

686
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:08.039
of from California. Yeah, No, she's she is a free spirit,

687
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:12.480
and she doesn't stop talking for like
the moment that they start meeting inside his

688
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.360
house, and then like when he
finally gets the words in like she's she

689
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:19.400
still continues the conversation for him.
Yeah. So the two briefly talk before

690
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.199
John walks her out, and before
returning to Ariel, he makes a chess

691
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:24.199
move because she calls one out as
she's walking away, and so he goes

692
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:28.079
to the board and makes the move
that she called. Yeah. It becomes

693
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.679
very clear that they have a lot
in common yeah. Uh, interest wise,

694
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:35.519
Yeah, and a lot in common
life wise, personalities. Their personalities

695
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:37.760
mesh really well. So we next
see John and Max both at the local

696
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:43.800
pharmacy. They're comparing their various illnesses
that they've had between their pain, their

697
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:49.519
pains and whatnot. I had a
gallstone size of a baseball. So that

698
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.280
Ariel walks in, introducing herself to
Max and returning some of his male that

699
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:57.400
she accidentally got as well. Yeah, quote unquote accidentally. She questions the

700
00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:00.000
pharmacists if her herbal supplements have arrived
yet. The pharmacist confirms that they have

701
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:04.559
all the way from California, which
a kind of annoys the pharmacis's wife,

702
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.760
who's off to the side because he
just kind of puts all her atta because

703
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:13.679
he's giving her like googly eyes.
Yeah, he's very interested in her tea

704
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.519
trioilree oils. Yes, so he
excused, She excuses herself, and we

705
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:21.079
see John and Max pawning over her
once again. We next see John having

706
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:23.320
movers remove his piano as his daughter, Mel, who is played by Daryl

707
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:27.800
Hannah, arrives with her granddaughter.
Mel tells her father that her and her

708
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:30.440
husband are having some issues and they're
probably going to separate, and the two

709
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:35.400
discussion is broken up by Ariel,
who screams from merging from her sauna in

710
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:37.719
the backyard. And she's just having
a good time diving into the snow.

711
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:42.480
You don't even mention she's in a
one she's in a swimsuit. So she's

712
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.800
in a swimsuit, jumps into the
snow and is like throwing it in her

713
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.800
face and go like waves at them. Hi, because she's like, who

714
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:52.519
is that. He's like, I
don't know. She's like, well,

715
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.960
she knows you, she knows you. So she clivers herself in snow then

716
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.159
runs back into the sauna. Later
that night, Jacob Max's son stops in

717
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.320
with his mayoral candidate sign and Max
tells him that he should stop him for

718
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:06.719
a bit and have dinner, but
Jacob says that he's busy and he can't,

719
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:07.400
and Max is like, oh,
you know, just one drink.

720
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:12.320
We can have one drink. But
it's telling about how lonely Mathow is.

721
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.559
Yeah, it is very telling that
his son like doesn't spend a ton of

722
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:20.320
time with him. Although it's not
like his son's a loaf, you know,

723
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.519
he's got aspirations. He wants to
be the mayor of a little town

724
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.119
that he grew up in and stuff. But yeah, it's very like kind

725
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:28.960
of sad but also kind of sweet. How he's just like, okay,

726
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:30.880
just a drink, a little tiny
drinks, so a little time drink.

727
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.360
But that's broken up because Max realizes
he has to keep his schedule. As

728
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.280
he goes to the window, which
is right across from John's house, and

729
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:39.280
John's sitting down with his dinner,
getting ready to watch the lottery numbers come

730
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:44.000
out. Yeah, Max starts changing
his channels as the numbers starts dropping.

731
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:46.760
We find out just a little bit
sooner or a little bit later that he

732
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.079
was a TV repairman. Yeah,
and he literally has a little tray full

733
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:53.360
little promotion remotes so you can go
over there and drink and change it.

734
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:57.679
So as they're reading the numbers,
he just changes the channel over. My

735
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.079
favorite thing was that they had the
most obnoxious commercials. Yeah, and I

736
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.239
was able to turn to you and
be like, David, those are real

737
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:07.000
that those every single one of those
commercials. They were like pizza Hut commercials

738
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:09.199
and stuff like that. They were
all legit. I remember all of those

739
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:14.000
commercials running. They were mostly from
ninety two. Yeah, so ninety two

740
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:17.719
was like a peak time for me
of like growing into watching TV. Terminator

741
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:21.440
two was coming out stuff like that. Yeah, but yeah, because there's

742
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.559
one one of the commercials is a
Pizza High commercial where they're doing a conga

743
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:28.440
line, yeah, and they smush
a kid. It's like the joke in

744
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:30.519
it. And I just felt the
need to tell you because they were showing

745
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:34.559
the most bizarre ones. I was
like, those are all real commercials that

746
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:37.840
were actually on the air. So
Jacob questions if John started every eraf John

747
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:42.119
started every fights in nineteen forty,
but Max corrects him, nineteen thirty eight

748
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.280
is when it fights started. Nineteen
thirty eight. So Jacob goes to open

749
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:47.119
the window, calling to John and
for his father to apologize, but as

750
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:51.159
Max goes to the window, he
gets blasted by a hose as John blast

751
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:53.599
him from the yard across the way. Jacob then goes outside later as he's

752
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:57.880
leaving his dad's house and sees John
is spraying the roof with water so that

753
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.000
it'll fall on him the next day
from the snow and tells him he won't

754
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.400
tell his dad that. He agrees
to take one of his signs and puts

755
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:06.559
in his yard, which then gives
you a really good concept with Gustopsin because

756
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.639
yeah, he he's like i'd be
pretty prod like he likes him. He

757
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:15.039
really does like him, and that's
very very apparent. Yeah, it's just

758
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.519
that him and his dad have this
long standing rival. Yeah, and I

759
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:22.679
need long standing. It's nineteen ninety
three, they're talking about nineteen fifty eight

760
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:27.960
or some some stuff, so like
it's it's very long standing and h but

761
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:31.519
I love the interactions with with his
with Pollock. Kevin Pollack is the son.

762
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:36.480
I think he's just a really good
example of like the level headed nature

763
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:40.119
of the kids and how the dads
are. They're bored and they're stir crazy

764
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:44.400
and that makes them be a little
bit more childish shit time. Well,

765
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.719
and even if they're curmudgey like they're
still they're still friendly to one another,

766
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:52.480
even if they're greeting is hello dickhead, Hello schmuck, Hello punch. My

767
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:58.440
favorite when he's like you dumbed sweet. So the next morning, John plans

768
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.679
backfires as the snow from the room
missus Max and he tells him you gotta

769
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.679
use warm water. John then says
that he'll never get him. He then

770
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:07.800
goes to his car finds the dead
fish. But he's trying to well,

771
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.000
he doesn't find the dead fish.
He starts smelling in the car. Oh,

772
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:15.119
he's driving, and this is terrifying
because Mathow's reaching back behind him as

773
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.760
he's driving this car, swerving all
over the road. Iist over roads,

774
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:21.960
and the thing I love was that
they depict the roads as never clear,

775
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:23.719
never clear, never clear, never
know. There's a plow going around,

776
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:28.039
But all the plow does is make
sure your car is covered buried in.

777
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:30.159
Yeah, so he's trying to remove
it, just causing hasbak on the road

778
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:34.880
as he drives over. Max gets
to Chuck's General store and John shortly arrives.

779
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.239
After telling him that Ariel came to
see him late last night. John

780
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.440
and Max both stay to each other
that neither of them want to pursue her,

781
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:44.840
until Chuck basically calls them on their
bullshit and claims that they're both chickens,

782
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:45.880
stating, you know, you got
a beautiful woman across the street.

783
00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:50.199
You know what more are you waiting
for? Yeah? Why wouldn't you?

784
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:54.039
Yeah. So the three go to
leave and Max questions Chuck if he uh

785
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:58.840
if he stinks, and Chuck says, yep, just joking with him.

786
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:01.280
So then we see get back into
his car, which is now decked out

787
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:05.760
with every air freshener possibly. Yeah, there's like there's like a forest of

788
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:09.320
tree shaped fresheners. He digs around
in the back fighting the fish, and

789
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:14.079
John is watching from his car as
he drives past, and that's when Max

790
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.039
chucks the fish of the car and
John calls him a schmuck throwing the fish

791
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:20.079
and it hits the back of the
cars he drives. And that's the thing

792
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:24.000
is they like so effortlessly are like
at each other, yeah all the time,

793
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:29.840
very very funny. Their reactions are
very like, well it's my turn

794
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:31.159
now, Well it's my turn now. That's one of the things I love

795
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:35.119
when math I was telling his son
like he doesn't know what's me doing it

796
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:37.719
and he's like changing the channel.
Then when he goes to apologize, make

797
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:40.800
make his dad apologize and opens the
window, he sprays his house because it's

798
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:45.519
like, yeah, who else would
screw with him? He knows it's you.

799
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.719
It's so clear. I love that
gag. I love it. So

800
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.559
back in his ice shanty, Max
fishes and he starts to see a bite

801
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:54.599
on his rod, which he's not
holding whoa, whoa whoa. That's a

802
00:53:54.760 --> 00:54:01.159
very oh oh okay fishing pole,
fishing rod whoa, which is pulled into

803
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.559
the lake because he can't get to
it in time. So he rushes out

804
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.320
and starts searching the ice, trying
to find his road as it's going through

805
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.280
the ice. John and his father
arrive to the supply truck around the area

806
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:15.239
and they witness Max just hacking away
at the ice in an axe. After

807
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:17.119
like two or three swings, he
just gives up. Well, and it

808
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:22.840
should be mentioned, So I just
got back from being up in northern Michigan

809
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:27.960
and it was just ice fishing season
was probably gonna start like three days after

810
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:31.400
I left because it had just finally
gotten really cold. And I've been out

811
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:34.880
on ice fishing lakes. I never
went ice ice fishing, but I've been

812
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:39.320
on different sized lakes. Yeah,
I now know why in movies and depictions

813
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:43.920
of ice fishing people like try to
reach and grab and get stuff. Those

814
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.559
lakes are not deep at all a
lot of times their deepest point is like

815
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:51.320
six or seven feet so because lakes
just aren't that deep in general. I

816
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.159
mean, some lakes will be ten
feet deep. But I remember when I

817
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:58.159
was on ho Houghton Lake, which
is a giant lake in Michigan. Yeah,

818
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:01.719
and because that's where I went snowma. The lady was telling us like,

819
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:06.840
oh it, the deepest point is
maybe twelve feet, but most of

820
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:12.119
the most of it is four to
six. So like when cars would fall

821
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:15.639
through the ice, which didn't happen
very often unless people didn't pay attention to

822
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:17.440
the reports in the morning. Yeah, but when cars would fall through,

823
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:20.480
they'd be like, well, as
soon as the ice thaws, like they

824
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.000
can get it out. It's not
that deep. So it does make sense

825
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:29.199
to try to rescue something because it's
not like there's this feeling. Especially I've

826
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:31.719
always had that like the icehole is
just the abyss. Yeah, and you

827
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:35.760
will never get anything that falls through
it back. But apparently, like in

828
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.920
reality, it's just a shallow l
good to know though, especially is that

829
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:40.960
one video we were watching, which
it turned out to be fake, but

830
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:45.760
that car falling through the Oh yeah, sorry, I ruined that that video

831
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:47.800
was a fraud. It was a
fraud, and I'm sad. Well,

832
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:51.639
see it's a win for me,
that is true. So at the house,

833
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:54.119
Jacob helps Mel with the groceries as
they reminisced some and mel admitting she

834
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:58.159
saw Jacob watching her all those years
when they were growing up across the street

835
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:01.079
from each other, and why did
he never ask? There is heavy duty

836
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:06.760
will they won't they? Between Pollock
and Darryl. Hannah's character character who we've

837
00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:10.679
already been established that she has separated
from her husband, has a beautiful daughter

838
00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:15.880
and is sweet as fucking sugar,
you know, like she's so so kind.

839
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:24.239
There's like her rapport with Jack Lemon. It very makes it very clear

840
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:30.760
that Lemon's character was always much sweeter
and much more caring. But if you

841
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:36.599
look at their backstory, it actually
makes sense. Lemon school teacher. That

842
00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:40.639
means he liked being around children.
That means that he liked kids in general.

843
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.079
They start to hint at that his
marriage wasn't that great, but he

844
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:49.320
was still a very happy person.
He's very active in his daughter's life,

845
00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:53.360
he loves his granddaughter, adores his
own art. But then you look at

846
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:58.480
Mathow's character. He was a television
repairman. That's a little bit more of

847
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:02.079
a solitary technical job. So he's
a little bit more solitary and a little

848
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:06.079
bit more technical. He likes to
sit around his house, watch the boob

849
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:07.760
tube, eat a little something.
He does like to see his son,

850
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.920
but his son is very like him. Yeah, he's very like kind of

851
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:15.840
button up in a little bit whatever. But we also get the reference to

852
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:20.239
the idea that his marriage was actually
very good, Yeah, and that he

853
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:28.320
was he loved his wife very much, and that kind of like hits you

854
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:30.679
in the heart, petty hard.
No, it absolutely does. I mean,

855
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:35.360
that's their relationship even more so drives
that because even though they're at each

856
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:37.880
other's necks all the time, like
they do care and we see that more

857
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.800
as the movie goes. So John
breaks them up asking about the turkey because

858
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:45.440
we find out that it's Thanksgiving day. Mel runs into the house because he

859
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:49.440
said, is the turkey supposed to
be smoking? That is the turkey supposed

860
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:52.559
to be smoking. So John then
tells Jacob that they're getting a divorce and

861
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:54.320
ask if he's pursuing anybody. He
just kind of throws that out there.

862
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:59.000
Oh yeah, yeah, he's very
sly. Yeah, Jack Lemon all but

863
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:00.440
said, all but says, give
me a goat and you can have my

864
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:05.000
daughter. Yeah, yeah, just
barely before taking this subject to Ario when

865
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.360
admitting he hasn't had sex in fifteen
years, which you caught. That was

866
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:13.079
probably an improvisation because the way that
Pollock responds, he looks like he's breaking.

867
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:15.719
Yeah, no, no, just
he just slaps he slaps his hand

868
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:20.480
on pollocks shoulder and just goes,
I haven't had sex in fifteen years and

869
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:23.519
then walks away. Pollock is clearly
about to break. I really think that

870
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:25.880
that was just a tag. At
the end of the scene, he added,

871
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.119
absolutely, because because Pollock, I
love Kevin Kevin Pollack right via,

872
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:36.079
I love him. I think he's
extremely underrated. And the look on his

873
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:38.119
face just looks so much like the
interviews with him and stuff where he's legitimately

874
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:42.039
laughing about something. Yeah. So
that was a great example. But then

875
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:43.920
when we see at the end,
when we see outics, we realize it

876
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:47.400
was a very improvisational set. Oh
yeah, so yeah, I think that's

877
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:51.119
like one of those top ten moments
of the whole movie. All right,

878
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:53.960
So we next see the two families
celebrate and Thanksgiving at their homes and witnessing

879
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:58.880
Chuck pull up with Flowers as he
goes across the street to Ariel's house as

880
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:02.920
she invites him in, which is
important because although it is subtext. Kevin

881
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:10.280
Pollack's character is a vampire, so
they can't believe it, and it was.

882
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:14.280
We see them the next day,
both racing to Chuck's general store to

883
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:16.320
question him. Chuck tells them that
they're just there. Some experience is too

884
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:20.239
beautiful to put into words, before
he even tells them that he's not talking

885
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.079
about sex. He's just talking about
the time that they were able to share

886
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.599
together and how she opened him back
up. She made him feel like he

887
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:30.119
was a man, and he basically
to me, I got the vibe that

888
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:32.880
what he's saying is she just gave
him good company. Yeah, she just

889
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:38.079
laughed at his jokes and enjoyed hanging
out with him. But they're pretty positive.

890
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:39.840
They're like, so, yeah,
had sex, yeah, and he's

891
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:43.280
like, no, no, we
did. And then they're like I couldn't

892
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:46.000
go and ask him about his equipment
was it working right? And Chuck tells

893
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:49.880
him it was an awakening, like
being young again, if only for a

894
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:52.519
moment. They go to leave,
as Chuck mentions, it's not just a

895
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:57.039
woman across the street, She's an
angel and it's very sweet, very sweet.

896
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:09.480
Do you even he will be right
back, Welcome back to do you

897
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:17.079
even movie. So we then cut
to a montage of both John and Max

898
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:21.679
grooming themselves separately that we've got multer
math out in the tub and he's he's

899
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:24.760
scrubbing himself. Oh my god,
he's got like a like a soap on

900
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:29.440
a stick or something, and he
is just going to tone because when that

901
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:31.400
scene started, I was like,
get in there, get in there,

902
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:36.000
get it all clean. And John's
across the street doing his shaving and then

903
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:38.880
his after shape he does the home
alone. Ah yeah, yeah, He's

904
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:44.480
like, get well because they show
him shaving against the grain and then checking

905
01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.960
how smooth it is, which you
know means it's gonna really burn when you

906
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:51.039
put on that after shavee. So
we find Max at Ariel's house as he

907
01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:53.000
she shows off her home to him
and the art that she has. Max

908
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:57.639
finds her TV is gutted with a
fishbowl inside of it, and he questions

909
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.360
why she did that. It deeply
bothers me. He's like, that's a

910
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.360
zine if whatever. I'm like,
that's a classic. I could fix it

911
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:05.719
for you if you want. That's
what I used to do. Yeah,

912
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:07.320
I love that, he stage,
and then she's like no, I like

913
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:09.639
it the way the way it is, and then as she's walking away,

914
01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:14.440
he's just like, how do you
watch it show? Yeah, it's so

915
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:16.440
good. So he wonders further into
the house and comes across the statue of

916
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:20.760
a nude man as Ariel tells him
that that was her husband and he has

917
01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:23.280
since passed on across the street,
though, we see John watching the house

918
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:27.599
and the clock, just trying to
figure out how long the Mathol character has

919
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.599
been over there. Yeah, he
well, he's been like obsessed with this

920
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:35.079
woman pretty deeply, but he doesn't
want to admit it, but he is.

921
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:37.159
So Ariel asks Max what does he
do for his form of release,

922
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:39.559
first, asking if he doesn't he
painting or anything, and Max tells her

923
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:43.719
that he fishes and even invites Ariel
out to his ice shanny. Tomorrow,

924
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:46.119
we watched them split for the night
as John watches again from his window across

925
01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:49.760
the street, and the next day
they go to his ice shanty, Max

926
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:52.039
and Ariel and we see them having
fun. They're fishing, they're struggling to

927
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.480
pull the rod in, but just
still having a great time, laughing and

928
01:01:55.519 --> 01:02:00.000
alerting everybody on the lake that like
something is going on. Sounds like they're

929
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:05.440
making whoopee to use a term as
old as Mathou himself. Yeah uh.

930
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:08.000
And then after catching the fish,
they catch a really big fish, big

931
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:12.800
fish, and she insists on throwing
it back yep, and it plops back

932
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:15.440
into the water. He can even
take a photo. He wants to give

933
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:17.079
his camera, so he's rsted around. He gets the camera and she's like,

934
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:20.800
oh, here we go and just
puts the fish back in. Because

935
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:23.639
he always gave Jack Lemon's character crap
because he would claim that he caught this

936
01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:27.800
really big fish but there's no evidence. Yeah. Yeah, so Max cat

937
01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:30.599
get the picture in time before she
sets it back free. John goes over

938
01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:35.119
to his dad shack, finding his
father that had found Max's old fishing rod.

939
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:37.480
But also one of my favorite Burgess
meritaith moments is he opens the door,

940
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:40.000
he's like, oh, what's going
on? Is oh just finishing breakfast

941
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:45.960
as he has the flask he was
drinking whiskey, so which is titty out

942
01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:51.559
here? And he finds that his
grandfather or his dad found Max's old rod,

943
01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:54.199
so he takes it and he's going
back to the goes back to give

944
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:57.760
it to a chuck, but he
finds the Chuck's back doors a lot,

945
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:00.719
so he walks around front and he
finds a cop putting closed side on the

946
01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:04.239
door, walking away and locking it. And that's when we begin to know.

947
01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:07.480
I mean he knows immediately because there's
a whole scene at the beginning of

948
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:12.639
the film where they're scraping their cars, Yeah, Lemon and Mathow, and

949
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:15.440
they're scraping their cars and literally just
talking about all the people are dead,

950
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:16.800
you know, because it's like,
oh, this friend died, and this

951
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:21.639
friend died and this friend. Because
that's uh, that's a that's a harsh

952
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:25.920
reality of being an older person is
your friends. They they don't live forever.

953
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:30.960
They they pass away, and it's
a it's a hard reality, No,

954
01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:34.440
it absolutely is. We find Max
and Ariel returning to their to her

955
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:38.599
home as she tells them they're going
to be great friends. Friends friends is

956
01:03:38.679 --> 01:03:43.239
good. He takes it pretty well, he does. Yeah, So Max

957
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:45.920
asks well what she's doing later,
but she tells him that she has plans,

958
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:47.519
but they'll get a rain check.
Max goes home, finding John in

959
01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:51.880
his backyard chopping wood, and he
tells them that Chuck passed his last night

960
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:53.880
in his sleep. The two then
get into it verbally about who was the

961
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:58.559
better friend to him. They across
their fences, coming face to face before

962
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:02.039
John says it's not war it and
he returns home stating that it's not worth

963
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:04.400
it, and he catches sight of
Max's rod on the table, which he

964
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:08.159
then picks up and steps in half. Yeah, which is like a really

965
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:13.280
sad, like a really clear moment
where it's like feelings are hurt, people

966
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:17.800
are hurt, things are not not
They're complicated. So Max returns home angry

967
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:20.039
as well, and he finds a
hat from Chuck's store on it and kind

968
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:23.840
of takes a second. A knock
brings out on John's door as he comes

969
01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:28.320
face to face with mister Snyder requesting
for him to accompany him to the office.

970
01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:30.760
I love the part where he sees
Chuck's hat because that's the moment where

971
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:33.800
you actually get the idea that they
do mourn. Yeah, they're friends,

972
01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:39.119
it's just different because your friends are
passing away so often. Yeah, because

973
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:41.039
he just looks at the hat and
he takes the breath and he goes,

974
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:44.199
ah, Chuck. He takes it
in for a second and you just kind

975
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:45.920
of see that wash over. No, it's a really great It's a great

976
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:50.800
simple moment that adds a lot to
the scene. But yeah, so now

977
01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:55.440
he's no longer able to hide from
the irs. Yeah, And consistently his

978
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:58.760
daughter has asked like, is something
wrong? Are you upset? It's something

979
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:00.599
bothering you? And he's always no, no, no, no no.

980
01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:04.039
And I gotta say because we're almost
to it. But when we get to

981
01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:08.079
why the I R. S Is
trying to ruin his life? Yeah,

982
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:12.480
I mean, I couldn't hate the
irs more if I try, but they

983
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:15.840
nearly got me to hit him more. So. John returns home later to

984
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:17.760
find someone is in his home.
He arms himself with a baseball bat,

985
01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:20.800
enters the kitchen to find aerial cooking
for him, and we see the two

986
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:25.119
of them sitting down to a nice
dinner. There's no evidence she was cooking.

987
01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:28.760
The only evidence is she was burning
some garlic for him. And the

988
01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:31.480
peppers, well, the peppers can
be put in early kids. Kids,

989
01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:35.079
Oh god, kids. She has
a walk. She makes him like Asian

990
01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:41.360
food and one that's what it was, thank you and literally though, the

991
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:44.920
first thing you see is she's got
this walk on the on the burner and

992
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:49.039
she throws a bunch of garlic in
You never put garlic first, it'll burn.

993
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:54.840
Garlic has to go last in a
walk, stir fry so that it

994
01:05:54.880 --> 01:06:00.840
doesn't burn. You can put shallatsan
earlier or onions, but never garlic.

995
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:02.719
It's gonna burn right away. And
went out there. I was like,

996
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:06.519
Oh, she's burning garblic for him. How nice. So we see them

997
01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:10.239
having dinner, sitting at dinner having
a nice time. The next day,

998
01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:13.639
John questions his dad if she if
she go, if he should go after

999
01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:15.039
her, and his dad tells him, you're not getting any younger, and

1000
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:19.199
we then see him an Ariel riding
past on the skidoo through the snow as

1001
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:23.320
he takes her to the top of
the hill viewing Wabashaw. Ariel tells him

1002
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:25.880
it reminds her of one of the
last trips she took with her husband before

1003
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:28.920
falling back into the snow and making
a snow angel, which then he joins

1004
01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:30.400
her. And it's a really super
cute, so so cute. No,

1005
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:33.519
I love their romance, Yes,
I really do. He even questions if

1006
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:36.519
she believes in angels, and she
tells him they're everywhere, and he states

1007
01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:42.239
he thinks that he's looking at one
right now ahon. We next see Max

1008
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:45.400
at home watching TV, looking a
bit miserables. Across the street, he

1009
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:48.039
sees the lights on and Ariel and
John are facing each other playing chess.

1010
01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:51.599
She gets up and begins looking at
his various frame pictures on his mantles,

1011
01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:55.639
and he tells her about the family, coming to a young picture of Max

1012
01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:59.199
and John at age ten, confessing
that their rivalry started over a woman.

1013
01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:01.880
Yes, because they were best buddies
before that. They're both holding their fishing

1014
01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:04.719
rods on a frozen leg. Yeah, it's it's very cute, but yeah,

1015
01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:09.159
and then it all starts to make
sense. It all started because a

1016
01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:11.440
woman, he even says, though, but what is it like? I

1017
01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:13.559
was just a kid. I didn't
know. I didn't know any better.

1018
01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:16.519
And then, of course, smooth
transition, though this guy knows what He's

1019
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:20.000
an operator, so yeah, because
he says, I'm not a kid anymore.

1020
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:23.840
They go in for a kiss,
as Ariel stops him for a second,

1021
01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:27.159
stating that it's time for bed and
thinking that she's leaving. Yeah,

1022
01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:30.400
I think it's time time for bed. Thinking she's leaving, John follows her

1023
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:34.320
to the door, but she walks
his door and leads away up the stairs

1024
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:38.320
and John tells her that he's nervous, and Aerial questions, well, when's

1025
01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:40.920
the last time that you made love? Well, well, he doesn't say

1026
01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:44.039
I'm nervous, he says, are
we I'm not prepared. I've been told

1027
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:45.920
you're supposed to have safe sex.
And she says, when's last time you

1028
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:50.199
made love? And he's like October
fifth, nineteen seventy eight or seventy two

1029
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:54.920
or whatever. Yeah. Yeah,
She's like, well, I haven't had

1030
01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:58.599
sex in five years. I think
will be plenty of I think we're going

1031
01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:00.400
to be very sick. Yeah.
Yeah, it's very, very funny scene.

1032
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.000
So the next morning, we see
Max going across the street to aeros

1033
01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:06.079
of flowers as she emerges from John's
house, catching him, thanking him for

1034
01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:10.480
the flowers. He returns home frustrated. As John is getting up and having

1035
01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:14.480
a great morning dancing to good Loving, he's in his underwear making breakfast,

1036
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:16.479
even adding hot sauce to the breakfast. Yeah, and he's referenced how hot

1037
01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:19.159
sauce will make him make him struggle, you know. And I want to

1038
01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:21.119
point out this scene because this is
what I was talking to you when we

1039
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:24.479
were watching it. I just love
this because this is the first time that

1040
01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:27.479
we see him cooking, not making
a TV dinner or anything like that.

1041
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:30.840
Like, this is just him loving
his life, having a nice breakfast and

1042
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:32.800
he's just feeling the morning. Yeah, I would have to agree. It's

1043
01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:36.439
it's one of the few times where
he seems like he's he's really living and

1044
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:40.800
not just existing. So he notices
the broken rod on his counter, Max's

1045
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:43.319
old rod, and he thinks.
As we see Max back at his shack

1046
01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:45.920
drinking, he gets a knock on
the door. Max back at his shack

1047
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:48.119
that was with that and he gets
a knock on the door. He walks

1048
01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:51.720
outside and he sees John just going
about his day talking to everybody on the

1049
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:56.119
ice. He looks down and he
sees that the rod has been given back

1050
01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:59.399
to him as well. We next
see John in his shack enjoying a record.

1051
01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:00.920
He's sitting back with a drink and
his fishing pole, when suddenly the

1052
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:04.159
shack begins to move as we see
that Max has hooked it up to his

1053
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:08.399
car. It is pulling him across
the lake. This is what we would

1054
01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:13.399
call the moment of over escalation.
Yeah, he is now dragging his shanty

1055
01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:16.239
with him in it across the ice. He's he's not dragging, he's pushing,

1056
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:19.159
pushing it. Yeah, he's pushing
it and just running him across the

1057
01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:23.239
lake to where the ice is thin. Yeah, and it gets thin as

1058
01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:26.880
the shack sinks into the ice because
John he slams his brakes, lets it

1059
01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:29.359
slide over the ice. He has
to jump out of his shack as it

1060
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:31.560
sinks into the water, which is
just like I said, this is the

1061
01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:34.640
moment of over escalation. Yeah,
you could have killed someone, don't you.

1062
01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:38.560
Yeah. So John questions his motives
and reminding him of the of the

1063
01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:41.479
pole, but Max is clearly upset
that John has stolen the love of his

1064
01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:44.479
life. The two then get into
a fistfight, trading a couple swings and

1065
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:47.199
punches as the group forms around them, rooting them on. They then slip

1066
01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:51.000
on the ice together and the group
disperses as Jack throws or as John throws

1067
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:55.319
one final punch, and they argue
over the woman of their past. Before

1068
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:58.800
the two forget what they were fighting
about. Max questions then if John and

1069
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:00.720
Ariel have slept together, and John
tries to escape the question, but then

1070
01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:03.760
admits they had sex and it was
the greatest he's had in the longest time.

1071
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:05.560
Yeah. No, he says,
it's the best sex in my life.

1072
01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:10.079
Yeah. Max then goes to attack
him with a frozen fish, but

1073
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:14.119
it's broken up as Grandpa Gustasen tells
them to stop put down the fish.

1074
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.399
Oh my god. When Burgess Marrier
comes out and says, stop that right

1075
01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:21.720
now, he goes, mister they're
sixty years old and still afraid of his

1076
01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:28.640
dad. They're both retired, and
when Castops goes, what are your boys

1077
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:32.239
doing? He goes, mister Gustopson, I'm sorry. So he breaks it

1078
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:36.159
up and Max is defeated by the
questions and he knows that he's gonna take

1079
01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:39.319
He asked her how is he gonna
take care of her? When the ir

1080
01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:42.279
S sees is the house walking off, saying that he doesn't have time to

1081
01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:45.479
go look for another woman. So
he's mad at John for stealing what he

1082
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:50.119
thinks is the love of his life, and well for stealing another another.

1083
01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:54.279
Yeah life, because they that's where
we're heading to it. Yeah. Yeah.

1084
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:58.039
Do you find out that they that
that did he cheat with his wife?

1085
01:10:58.079 --> 01:11:00.439
Is that what happened? No?
No, no, they just both

1086
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:04.479
wanted the same girl and Lemon's character
ended up with the girl, but his

1087
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:09.680
immediate response was like, she was
no easy person to be married. She

1088
01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:15.359
wasn't the best wife ever. And
then he mentions even even points out that,

1089
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:19.720
uh that, uh, Mathow's wife
was like really a good person every

1090
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:25.239
because during the Thanksgiving episode or part, everybody's talking about how wonderful she was,

1091
01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:27.279
a great cook, she was loving
mother, she was very kind.

1092
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:30.760
Yeah, and Mathow's obviously never been
the same since he lost her. Uh

1093
01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:33.800
So, now we realize that Jack
Lemon ended up winning the girl all those

1094
01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:40.560
years ago, and that it's very
clear Lemon doesn't feel not not necessarily because

1095
01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:43.560
the marriage was hard. Because even
Lemon, when he's talking to his sister

1096
01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:45.079
his daughter about being married, he
says, like marriage is hard, it's

1097
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:50.880
really difficult work or whatever. But
he feels bad because he knows that Mathow

1098
01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:55.920
always kind of never got over it, obviously because their their competition ever ended.

1099
01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:59.760
And now he's like, why,
you know, why should I take

1100
01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:01.199
it from him again? You know, that's the way he feels, and

1101
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:05.680
that honestly hits me so hard.
But then that's where things take a real

1102
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:11.840
harsh turn, because now Lemon is
basically just going through the motions. Yeah,

1103
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:15.840
all that liveliness is just totally gone's
gone, and he's just you know,

1104
01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:18.880
going through the door, going through
the whatever. And meanwhile Mathou is

1105
01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:21.960
living it up, being friends with
this woman, yeah, and having a

1106
01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:25.279
great time. Yeah, And he
wants that extra step. So that's why

1107
01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:28.840
he still holds the hostility towards him, is because he knows that she's falling

1108
01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:31.119
for him, but he wants her
the most. So the later that night,

1109
01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:33.960
we see John sitting alone in his
chest set as Max comes to the

1110
01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:36.399
window. He shuts the light off, going back to their old portrait,

1111
01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:40.359
saying, this time, Max,
I'm gonna let you win. He stopped

1112
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:43.800
by going up the steps as Ariel
tells him that she's brought the date to

1113
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:45.760
him if they're not going to go
out, revealing a painting that she made

1114
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:49.680
for him of two people making snow
angels, stating that he inspired it for

1115
01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:55.520
her. And this scene is really
painful because he basically tells her she is

1116
01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:58.960
pushing herself on him. Yeah,
he doesn't want her around, and that

1117
01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:02.359
she that's the meanest part, that
she is the one who can't stand being

1118
01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:05.960
alone to be able, but he's
fine with it and he'd rather be alone,

1119
01:13:06.319 --> 01:13:10.560
and she and and you got to
think about it. From the context

1120
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:15.039
of the story, she appears to
be this free spirit, and she is.

1121
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:17.439
But when she mentions that she hasn't
slepped with anybody since her husband,

1122
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:25.439
her husband's been gone five years,
that's when you realize that she really opened

1123
01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:29.960
herself up and was vulnerable. And
now Jack Lemon's character saying like I don't

1124
01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:32.720
want anything to do with you,
yeah, is really demonst and she storms

1125
01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:38.960
across the street, throws the painting
on the ground, and Matthews sees it

1126
01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:41.760
all mathouses it. Also. The
next morning, we see John in his

1127
01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:45.920
car getting a paper a gathering is
or getting his tax papers gathered. Jacob

1128
01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:48.319
greets him holding presents as John congratulates
him on his win and invites him over

1129
01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:51.680
for Christmas Eve. So we're on
Christmas Eve, yes, and since Mel

1130
01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:55.039
will be there, he would love
for them for those two to hook up

1131
01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:58.720
again. We then see Max and
Ariel return on her skidoo, both having

1132
01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:00.359
a bunch of fun. John go
into his house with his papers, and

1133
01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:03.800
we see Mel arrive that night with
Mike, her husband, who you know,

1134
01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:06.800
we were supposed to hear heard about
them getting separated. Yeah, they

1135
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:12.319
were separated, not divorced. Separated, tells John they're working things out,

1136
01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:15.399
but John isn't having it, questioning
his methods on making up his mind and

1137
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:17.600
asking if everybody should put their lives
on hold while he works things out.

1138
01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:20.680
Mel tries to explain it to him
as John admits that the house is being

1139
01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:24.640
taken from him and his pension is
gone, and he tells Mel that if

1140
01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:27.680
she sees a chance at a good
life to grab for it. He then

1141
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:30.800
tells her that he's going to go
to uh what is it? What's the

1142
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:32.960
bar? Slippery slippery, Yeah,
and that he'll be back later. Yeah.

1143
01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:36.960
He's basically very disappointed in her for
being back with this jerkwad husband.

1144
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:41.680
Granted he is the father of her
child, but he's he's very mean to

1145
01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:44.359
him. That it's Christoper McDonald.
Should we should went that out, the

1146
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:48.479
quintessential dickhead, dickhead of the nineties. Yeah, actor wise, I'm sure

1147
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:54.399
he's he's got to be so nice, heah and and uh so he storms

1148
01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:57.039
off to the bar, but Jacob
stops him, and he that's when you

1149
01:14:57.079 --> 01:14:59.039
know, Jacob's like, you know, should I come in and he's like,

1150
01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:00.039
oh, yeah, go ahead,
not knowing that Mike is there.

1151
01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:05.920
Yeah, and that's heartbreaking too,
because brocoli from mistletoe substitution. And it's

1152
01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:12.039
worth mentioning they mentioned in Passing he
won. The mayor is the mayor of

1153
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:15.239
the town now. So Jacob goes. Jacob goes inside, and you know,

1154
01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:17.159
he's got this little piece of brocoli
and he's like, I couldn't find

1155
01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:19.880
he mistletoe. So they share a
kiss as Mike comes around the corner,

1156
01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:24.199
unveiling to Jacob that he's here,
so then kisses him on the cheek.

1157
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:26.800
She kiss him on the cheek.
Yes, So he goes, uh,

1158
01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:30.720
we see that. Max asks what's
going on, and John tells him that

1159
01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:32.800
he tried to steal Aeriel from him, adding that the door is open and

1160
01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:35.359
he knows where to find him.
Jacob tells him that she go down to

1161
01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:39.880
Slipperies and apologize to John, or
at least check on him because it's Christmas.

1162
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:44.199
Yeah, and uh, and this
is where the emotions get really heavy.

1163
01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:47.000
Yeah, and and this is really
where the movie hits its stride and

1164
01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:50.119
and kind of gets us to where
I don't know, I love I love

1165
01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:54.079
this this is the best. So
At Slippery's, we see John sipping a

1166
01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:57.520
beer as Max enters, wishing a
merry Christmas, before sitting down with them

1167
01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:00.119
talking about Melanie and Mike getting back
together, but John tells him they're getting

1168
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:03.039
a divorce. Max tells him he
came to tell him some things and John

1169
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:06.039
tells him to spit it out,
which frustrates Max and he scoots down from

1170
01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:09.119
the bar from him, but he
says that he was gonna thank him,

1171
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:12.800
questing John to say thank him,
John asks Mask if he loves Ariel,

1172
01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:15.279
adding that it would make the whole
thing worthwhile if he does. Max wants

1173
01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:18.880
to think it's still about the fishing
pole, but John says he's so damn

1174
01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:23.399
blind that he doesn't understand, and
he storms out, telling Max that she

1175
01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:29.640
that Max tells John that he that
she shows him right. So then John

1176
01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:32.520
walks in walks out into the falling
snow, and Max is still sitting at

1177
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:34.760
the bar sipping his beer as he
goes off the chase after him. We

1178
01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:40.279
then see John start to experience a
heart attack as he's walking across the way.

1179
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.600
He falls into the snow as Max
is slowly trekking back after him.

1180
01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:45.800
He finds John in the snow,
and Max or John is still coherent as

1181
01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:47.920
he tells him to wait, he'll
be right back. He runs to the

1182
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:50.520
front door of the home that they're
in front of asks for somebody to call

1183
01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:54.720
the hospital. We see them next
to the hospital as Max questions a nurse

1184
01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:58.359
where John is, and the nurse
questions if he's friend or family. Yeah,

1185
01:16:58.359 --> 01:17:01.159
and it's a really incredible moment.
He thinks for a second before admitting

1186
01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:03.720
a friend, and we see that
she takes him to the room and we

1187
01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:06.960
see johns hooked up to a bunch
of machines and he's sleeping. Max wishes

1188
01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:11.720
him a merry Christmas. We next
see Max going to Ariel's house as he

1189
01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:14.600
tells her what happened, and she
is next scene at the hospital with John

1190
01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:16.399
stating that she knows that he wanted
to get rid of her, but isn't

1191
01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:20.319
this a little drastic? Which is
a great Which is a really really great

1192
01:17:20.359 --> 01:17:24.159
line. I really enjoyed that gag. Yeah, John cracks a smile and

1193
01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:27.119
she explains her husband passed at Easter, so if he passes a Christmas,

1194
01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:30.119
she'll just have no holiday to look
forward to, adding that she can wait

1195
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:31.760
for the time for him to get
better. Yeah, it's very it's very

1196
01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:34.479
sweet. Yeah. Back at John's
house, Max is trying to reason with

1197
01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:39.039
the IRS, but the IRS tells
him that due to his wife's income and

1198
01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:42.720
the benefits that they received, that
the time would have like twenty five years

1199
01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:44.960
or so should have been taxed on. It was. It was not quite

1200
01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:47.199
that long, but it was.
It was basically that he got he his

1201
01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:49.840
wife had a part time job that
wasn't declared on the taxes. Yeah,

1202
01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:55.239
so basically he owes thirteen thousand dollars, but with fees and stuff, it

1203
01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:58.479
ends up being fifty seven thousand dollars. So he's got to lose his house

1204
01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:03.119
to pay the taxes. Obscene,
and Mathow's character responds to it as this

1205
01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:06.239
is warm. Yeah. So he's
pissed off of the IRA as obviously,

1206
01:18:06.279 --> 01:18:10.680
and he's next scene putting a fish
in Snyder's car, but he's also barricaded

1207
01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:13.920
the front door, causing Snyder to
start hacking at the door, revealing that

1208
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:17.239
the roof has been iced over as
he does so well Jacob but then appears

1209
01:18:17.239 --> 01:18:19.960
with the court order telling them that
they can't touch the house for thirty days.

1210
01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:24.159
But just as the guy takes the
notice, all the snow falls on

1211
01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:27.079
to Snyder, burying him in the
snow. Yeah, and we really are

1212
01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:30.600
lucky that Mathow's kid is the mayor. He's able to stop them for a

1213
01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:33.439
little while. Yeah, for thirty
days too, they have time to save

1214
01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:36.399
the house. So Jacob looks over
at Max and Ariel that are cheering from

1215
01:18:36.399 --> 01:18:40.920
the snow falling down. We next
see them outside of a church as Jacob

1216
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:44.720
and Mel arrive, and they play
the scene so brilliantly because yeah, yeah,

1217
01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:49.680
everybody's wearing black. Yeah, everybody
looks off. Yeah, and they

1218
01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:54.439
really make you think it's a funeral. Yes, they really fake you out.

1219
01:18:54.520 --> 01:18:56.920
Oh and Jacob tells Mel that he's
sorry to hear about the divorce,

1220
01:18:56.960 --> 01:19:00.399
and Mel says that she's doing okay. But they're interrupted as Grandpa goofs and

1221
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:03.279
tells them to get their asses inside, revealing that John and Ariel are getting

1222
01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:06.119
married. Yeah, it's a great
fake out. I love the two because

1223
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:08.920
it's easy to fake them out too, because like, why is e were

1224
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:11.640
wearing black? Oh that's just their
winter coats, dude, it's their winter

1225
01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:14.600
coats. So the wedding goes off
As the happy couple walks out, Max

1226
01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:16.920
hands John an envelope for thirteen grand, telling him not to get too excited

1227
01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:19.800
because it's only alone. Yeah,
don't get too excited. That's alone.

1228
01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:23.000
Yeah, And he bets him that
he can't get it up the whole trip,

1229
01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:25.479
and he tells them that they're on. You're on if. We then

1230
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:28.039
see Max and Aerol getting the limo. They begin kissing each other, but

1231
01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:30.920
John starts to smell something and Max
watches that the limo comes to a stop.

1232
01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:33.560
John lets out his hand, dropping
the fish out of the window as

1233
01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:38.960
Max looks up and smiles wishes them
well. We next see later that night

1234
01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:41.560
that Jacob is at the house asking
his dad what he wants to watch,

1235
01:19:41.560 --> 01:19:45.039
but Max comes down dressed to the
nines carrying a bottle champagne, stating that

1236
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:47.279
the Daughters of the American Revolution at
the VFW and he's gonna go see if

1237
01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:50.640
he can find one. He might
get lucky. Don't get lucky, don't

1238
01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:54.560
win. That's a really nice moment
where he's just so lively. Yeah,

1239
01:19:54.600 --> 01:19:58.119
and the movie closes as he leaves. Jacob then watches across the street as

1240
01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:00.720
Mel is hanging one of the clothes
in the window. She catches sight of

1241
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.319
him looking and smiles at him.
He turns off the light and goes across

1242
01:20:03.359 --> 01:20:05.800
the street, or goes across the
way to her, goes indoor. She

1243
01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:09.800
invites him in, and that is
the end of Grumpy Old Man, A

1244
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:13.079
movie where everybody kind of winds up
where they need to be yes and I

1245
01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:15.960
I just adore the film. It's
such a good movie. I mean,

1246
01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:19.359
my final thoughts on it would be
that this is an absolute rented I would

1247
01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:21.520
say, this is one that you're
you're probably gonna have to spend some money

1248
01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:25.479
on because I couldn't find it streaming
anywhere unfortunately. Well yeah, yeah,

1249
01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:28.800
uh well but uh but I mean
your rating is rented. My rating is

1250
01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:30.319
rented. I think I disagree.
You think it's a by it. It

1251
01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:33.439
is absolutely a bid it. I
mean it it's a by it if you

1252
01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:39.720
if you yeah, actually it's no. This is like a quintessential movie.

1253
01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:43.560
This is this is everybody likes.
Who would not like this movie? I

1254
01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:45.079
mean really, who would not?
And I don't I don't mean, like,

1255
01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:47.000
I know, if you're listening this
you're like, I don't like it.

1256
01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:50.319
That's fine. You're one person I
mean, like, what sub section

1257
01:20:51.199 --> 01:20:56.720
of human life would just not like
like this? You know, Terminator too.

1258
01:20:56.760 --> 01:20:58.840
Some people might not like it.
Yeah, you know it's violent,

1259
01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:01.239
it's got this or whatever. This
movie's a little bit raunchy, but it

1260
01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:06.760
has a really good message about getting
older, about taking care of your friends,

1261
01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:12.520
about loving people. Friendships made the
oddest of circumstances, absolutely and how.

1262
01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:15.159
And also it says a lot about
something that people don't talk about a

1263
01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:21.319
lot, which is how men who
end up alone cope, how men's friendships

1264
01:21:21.359 --> 01:21:28.399
work, and the idea of two
older men looking out for each other and

1265
01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:32.680
being friends is not uncommon. It
does happen. Although the idea of two

1266
01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:36.920
guys being really good buddies who bust
each other's balls all the time, I

1267
01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:41.079
don't buy that as real at all. And I don't think guys really do

1268
01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:42.920
that. No, not at all, No, not at all, your

1269
01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:45.039
little fucker. So, before we
close out, some notes on the movie.

1270
01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:48.359
This was the sixth pairing of Lemon
and Math altogether in a movie.

1271
01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:51.479
This was the sixth pairing that it
ate total wow, But it was the

1272
01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:55.079
first. Was it the first one
in their twilight years? Yeah? The

1273
01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:57.199
first one. I think twenty years
apart, I think, yeah, okay,

1274
01:21:57.199 --> 01:22:00.600
that's what I thought. Yeah.
So after filming this movie Minnesota and

1275
01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:04.760
freezing temperatures, Mathou was hospitalized with
double mammonia pneumonia. Jesus. Yeah,

1276
01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:09.079
neither leads thought the movie would be
anything special, and we're blown away when

1277
01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:13.279
it became a success budget of thirty
five million dollars, making seventy million at

1278
01:22:13.279 --> 01:22:15.840
the box office, released on Christmas
Day in nineteen ninety three. Mind you,

1279
01:22:16.159 --> 01:22:20.520
wow, I mean that's decent.
Went against Schindler's list Jurassic Park and

1280
01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:24.319
Batman, Mask of the Phantasm.
I think it ended up in spot four.

1281
01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:28.279
Wow. Yeah, So neither leads
thought the movie be a success ends

1282
01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:30.920
up being a huge success. We
already said that Martin and Lewis were strong

1283
01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:34.319
and considered for the roles, but
declined due to Martin's frail health. Meredith

1284
01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:36.760
was portraying, like I said,
ninety four years old and he was eighty

1285
01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:41.840
five, only seventeen youngest than Jack
lemon Is older. Yeah, this was

1286
01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:44.920
the comeback movie for the due who
hadn't worked together in over a decade,

1287
01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:48.079
and once again, Mathow originally turned
down the role due to the script and

1288
01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:50.960
only agreed to participate when his son
Charles convinced him. He was known to

1289
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:55.239
do that a lot because he was
either just wanting to payoff gambling debts or

1290
01:22:55.279 --> 01:22:59.439
have money to gamble with, so
he would not necessarily decide on all screenplays,

1291
01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:01.520
but he would have that people convince
him a lot. Wait, if

1292
01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:05.279
he had gambling debt, then why
was he hard to convince Because he didn't

1293
01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:08.880
even if the scripts weren't good,
he still wouldn't want to do it.

1294
01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:11.680
It would somebody that would have to
take him to be aside and be like

1295
01:23:12.319 --> 01:23:14.720
that didn't make any sense. Somebody
would have to take even if the scripts

1296
01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:16.479
were good. Even if the scripts
were good, Yeah, he would still

1297
01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:18.439
be curmudget about it. And they
would be like, well, if you

1298
01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:20.840
want to do this, you're gonna
have to work. So he was just

1299
01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:24.840
hesitant to work a lot, which
is why the last gonna do what if

1300
01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:29.199
gamble if you want to do is
own okay and everything, But yeah,

1301
01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:31.800
that is grumpy old Men nineteen ninety
three. It is one. Like I

1302
01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:34.439
said, you can't find it super
easy right now, but there's a great

1303
01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:38.319
and cheap little double blu ray pack
you can get. Yeah, that's where

1304
01:23:38.319 --> 01:23:40.680
I really do think this is one
to own. Yeah, and uh,

1305
01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:43.039
we always like to end the show
with the recommendation, I'm gonna go with

1306
01:23:43.039 --> 01:23:45.239
an odd one, but I think
it. I think it works. I'm

1307
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:48.079
gonna go with Enemy Mine from nineteen
eighty five because it's two enemies coming together

1308
01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:53.439
to become friends. Mind, Yes, that is that is my recommendation.

1309
01:23:53.600 --> 01:24:00.399
I mean I love Enemy Behind interesting
two enemies becoming friends. I think that

1310
01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:02.720
the point of the movie is they
were always friends, they just weren't admitting

1311
01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:06.239
it. But at the same time, I like I like when enemies work,

1312
01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:10.560
when two enemies become friends and have
to work together to solve their own

1313
01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:14.840
problem. That's not exactly what happens
in The Old Men. They find their

1314
01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:16.680
friendship and they find out you find
their friendship with each other once. I

1315
01:24:16.680 --> 01:24:20.960
mean Enemy Mind's a little bit more
complicated than that in every conceivable way.

1316
01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:25.520
Can you make a suggestion? Oh
gosh, I you know, I actually

1317
01:24:25.560 --> 01:24:29.239
hadn't thought of one ahead of time, but if I well, if you

1318
01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:32.439
know, I but I do have
a few. I think if you want

1319
01:24:32.479 --> 01:24:40.000
a great film about getting older,
I think Nebraska would be a phenomenal one.

1320
01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:42.920
It is not. It doesn't have
quite the buddy element, although it's

1321
01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:45.800
a father and son which I really
like, really much of a comedy,

1322
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:47.159
but it's got something. Oh,
it's very funny. It's got some funny

1323
01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:49.720
stuff. No, it's very funny. No, it's a dark comedy.

1324
01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:53.640
I'm not saying like you're gonna laugh
at no, but it's it's a very

1325
01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:55.920
dark comedy. But are you kidding
me? Like the Two Fat Twins,

1326
01:24:56.520 --> 01:24:58.399
Like, there's a lot of I
said, there's comedy. I said,

1327
01:24:58.439 --> 01:25:00.640
it just doesn't have a lot.
But it also has been while since I've

1328
01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:02.720
seen it, so I probably know
Nebraska's you just see this is just Dave.

1329
01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:05.479
It's black and white, so Dave's
like it's sad, right, And

1330
01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:10.479
it was made in nineteen twenty seven
by Adolf Hitler. I like, I

1331
01:25:10.520 --> 01:25:12.920
watch more black and white movies than
you do. You don't know that,

1332
01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:19.000
oh I do. I just don't
see Race. I broke nothing. I

1333
01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:23.800
broke him. No. But so
I would say Nebraska, or if you

1334
01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:28.359
want to go a little bit more
uh cliched, you could go about Schmidt.

1335
01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:30.399
Yeah. And I mean, of
course there is Grumpy or Old Men.

1336
01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:33.920
The sequels just as good. If
obviously a sequel. Yeah, but

1337
01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:39.920
yeah, that's it's a classic.
It's it's so good, it's so funny.

1338
01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:42.239
One for the whole family. Like, I really this. Like I

1339
01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:44.359
said, they played this on cable
all the time, and my whole family

1340
01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:45.680
would sit down and watch it.
Yeah. I feel like most of the

1341
01:25:45.680 --> 01:25:50.039
stuff that you don't want your kids
to hear, they won't understand watching it.

1342
01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:54.760
So I think this is a good
one for everybody to enjoy. And

1343
01:25:54.800 --> 01:25:58.279
I couldn't ever recommend it enough.
It put me, I'm I have every

1344
01:25:58.279 --> 01:26:00.159
reason to be in a very bad
mood. It put me in a pretty

1345
01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:02.119
decent mood. I love this flick. No, It's super good, super

1346
01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:05.359
heartfelt, and highly recommended. Gruppy
Old Man nineteen ninety three. Make sure

1347
01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:11.159
you check it out. So before
we get out of here, double DM.

1348
01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:15.600
I got nothing. I have nothing
more to say. I'm I'm dude,

1349
01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:19.439
I'm tired, and I had a
really hard reek, but I am

1350
01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:25.159
glad to be back. Appreciate everybody
at Patreon for being patient because we just

1351
01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:29.359
couldn't record on our normal schedule.
Obviously we didn't miss a show, but

1352
01:26:29.479 --> 01:26:31.880
we weren't able to publish early.
So for those who are enjoying what we're

1353
01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:35.359
doing and want to support us.
If you go to dooevenmovie dot com,

1354
01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:40.159
Yes, you can sign up for
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1355
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:45.439
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1356
01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:47.479
You get five days roughly early.
Yes, right now, we didn't.

1357
01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:51.079
We weren't able to make that deadline
because're recording this sooner than five days before.

1358
01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:55.479
But no, I just want to
say thank you for everybody's patience and

1359
01:26:55.520 --> 01:26:58.800
support. Really appreciate it. And
if you love what we're doing, send

1360
01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:01.600
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1361
01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:04.159
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1362
01:27:04.199 --> 01:27:08.800
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1363
01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:13.399
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1364
01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:15.560
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1365
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:19.520
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1366
01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:24.319
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1367
01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:26.680
We've been picking up our traction on
our videos and getting a lot of fun

1368
01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:30.279
comments too. I mean they're not
people it's just the Chinese Communist Party trying

1369
01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:34.119
to figure out what our deal is, whoever it is. Thank you you

1370
01:27:34.199 --> 01:27:40.199
heard it here first David Denoyer,
Thank you Chinese Communist Party. But no,

1371
01:27:40.279 --> 01:27:42.640
and yeah, thanks everybody, and
thank you. I know a lot

1372
01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:46.840
of people watching this have already reached
out about Chicano's passing. Thank you God.

1373
01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:50.760
It's been a really hard time,
so I really appreciate everybody being so

1374
01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:56.880
fucking nice and kind. And yeah, I'm just trying to get back to

1375
01:27:56.920 --> 01:27:59.960
my life. It's not easy.
No, it's not. And we dedicate

1376
01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:02.479
this episode to our grumpy old man, Jackle. He was the grumpiest old

1377
01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:06.119
man he was. So until next
time, guys, we will see you

1378
01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:12.479
next Tuesday. We'll be back with
uh I know, I name I I

1379
01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:14.960
our catch, our final catchphrase.
I named it after you. Thanks for

1380
01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:17.800
you next tuesday. Yeah, but
we will see you next Tuesday with Ravenous,

1381
01:28:17.880 --> 01:28:23.600
which really I think you'll really wet
your appetite. So we'll see you

1382
01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:25.079
guys. Then take care