Groundhog Day (1993) Time Loops, Character Growth & Endless Winters

0:00 Columbia Pictures presents me. I may be having a problem, Bill Murray. I'm reliving the same day. Over in a story about a weather man who's living life work like there's no tomorrow. Don't drive angry because there isn't. I am an amoral I have been stabbed, shot from frozen Electric Cutes. God, I'm a guy. I'm not the guy. Groundhog Day rated DJ at theaters Friday. In a world where podcasts reign supreme, Two Friends Dare to Ask?

0:41 Do You Even? Movie? Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David de Noyer. Spoiler alert, do you know? Want? My favorite books was when I was a kid? What's that traumatic? It's a gar Listen? I deserve this? I heard? Oh no, no, you absolutely do. I'm not arguing that. One of my favorite books was a little, a little in the hit called the Bible, No called Alexander's Terrible Horrible, no good, very Bad Day. Yep, Wow, you did not fully remember that, did you? You almost remember? Terrible horrible, no good, very bad Day.

1:37 That's the title, terrible horrible, no good, very bad Day. You know the no good, very bad Day as part? Yeah, Yeah, you know why I remember that because there was a song in the cartoon. I don't even know there's a cartoon. I remember the live action Dizzy. I had a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day that just triggered something. Oh is hey, you are hard. I'm pretty sure we had that. I think we watched that when I was like, very very young. But I loved the Disney the one with Steve Krell, right, Yeah, it was excellent. It was good. No, I really enjoyed it. But no, David, so I have been revamping our studio. As people may or may not notice, this is the only time I'm going to reference that fact. In fact, we well, no, I meant it. I was gonna not mention it at all, but then I realized that there's no setup to what fucking happened. I mean, that's fair, but I, in all of my infinite wisdom, and it is infinite, I needed a few things to get the space right. And occasionally you will find yourself feeling like an elder millennial like me when you go to order it on Amazon or whatever and they're like, we can't get it to you till after six the next day, and I'm like well we record after six yeah, barely.

2:54 So then I'd be like, okay, I guess I'll schlup it to Walmart. So I order a desk chair from Walmart, nice cheap. I needed a smaller one for me to sit on because mine was too taking up too much space. I go to Walmart this morning at about eleven because I was like, hey, man, all I gotta do today is record weekly, spooky. I gotta go to Walmart and I gotta go to Guitar Center and pick up a mic arm because going to Guitar Center costs it extra ten bucks, but I could have it right now. Yeah that's fair. So I get to Walmart, I check in on the app. It's a pickup order. I sit there and ten minutes goes by. So now I'm like, all right, I'll try calling the number instead of just using the app.

3:46 It's busy. It's busy, so and I know these are first world problems, but it piles up. So I wait another five minutes. Nothing. I use the app's help thing, no help. So then I call again, and finally I get somebody after I've been sitting for almost half a fucking hour. Yea, trying to not I've never waited more than six or seven minutes, except at Christmas time. That's her. The guy super nice, but he's like, where are you? And I was like, well, I'm I'm in a silver car and I'm in parking spot fourteen. He's like, all we got from the app was that you were here, and it didn't give us any info about where you were, so we couldn't find you. We didn't know if it was like a false reading or whatever. So they bring it to me right away. But at that point, I'm like, god, damn it. A series of errands that should have taken forty minutes, including getting lunch, has already taken thirty minutes.

4:43 So now I go all the way to Guitar Center. I get there and the guy behind the counters on the phone with a customer for over ten minutes. I had to stand there while other associates walk right by. That's annoying, and I'm not like, why don't they do bad? But I was just kind of like, really, nobody even asks like, is there is there any way I can help you? Because actually there was a guy ahead of me in line who just left after six minutes or seven minutes. He just got up and left. So I get the damn thing. The boxes all busted up, it looks like they'd opened it. But I let that go because it seemed to be in whatever guitar center you know is It's like being mad at your aunt on chemotherapy, like what do you want? Yeah? So now I'm like, I am tired, I'm annoyed. I've spent an hour. I've lost so much time I really needed to on this project.

5:34 So now I'm like, I am going to get some McDonald's. So I go to order it with the McDonald's app to save some money. Send it to the wrong restaurant. So I was like, fuck, So I cancel it, send it to the restaurant. Going to it won't load. They're just like, there's a problem. We can't send your order to the restaurant. I know what you're thinking. You're like, just call into the speaker. But I wanted my meal to be four dollars. I had coupons. They don't take if you don't use the app. So I send it and I go, okay, I'll go to the one on on stroop. Yeah, I get there. It won't let me check in. It's the other one on stroop, so I sent it to the wrong restaurant. Tough, and this is this is At this point, I'm not saying, wow, the technology is better while McDonald's is bad.

6:23 No. No, at this point, I'm saying wow, I'm spiraling. I am failing harder and harder by the second. My friend, I didn't hit record on the mean one, but that's okay because I got a backup. I'm learning. I'm learning. I'm a learning computer. So anyway, then I get home and get to enjoy a nice relaxing day of being an hour and a half behind on everything. I do everything. At that point, when I ordered a burrito earlier, I was shocked they forgot to put razor blades in it. So anyway, hmmm, hello, my friend, and welcome back to do you even movie? With that still around now, with that very low who cares? Fuck him? They ain't paying me nothing, They ain't paying me jack or shit. Jesus. I'm, of course your host and Rique Kuto here with my good buddy and co host Double D David Denoi yea, and we are going to be talking about a classic classic worth a revisit. Ah what you did there? But before we get to that. Dave and I, yes, have been going to the movies a week have indeed, And we saw on opening night, our preview night. Yeah, we saw a Flight Risk, mel Gibson's newest action thriller starring Mark Wahlberg Toafer Grace and Shell Dockery. Thank you, Michelle Dockery, you said, yea, and she was great. Yeah, so we

7:53 saw that. I enjoyed the hell out of it. Same, Mark Wahlberg scared the ship out of me. It's been blowing my mind because people have been saying stuff like, wow, Wohlburg was really hamming it up and all this stuff, and I'm like and I'm like, well, first of all, Wohlburg is not known for his subtlety anyway, he never was. I don't know if I've seen him since The Fear, Yeah, Fear not Fear. Oh sorry, Fear. The Fear is a different movie. It would have been better if he'd been in it, but I hadn't seen him be that scary since Fear. Yeah. Oh, I would agree with that, And that's a whole other kind of scary because he was like a teeny bopper. Yeah when he did Fear, so I thought he was very scary. I thought the tension of them being in the airplane the entire time basically was was really well done.

8:39 I was expecting them to be in the plane like a third of the movie in reality, because it's hard to write tension that tight. Yeah, but no, they were on the plane the entire time all the most like the entire movie. They were like, I think, like ten minutes the beginning and ten minutes agaend. They weren't. Yeah, maybe maybe even. Five honestly five each, probably yeah, ten all together. I enjoyed it, But the thing that blew my mind was how much Mark Wahlberg made made me nervous. Yeah, by just staring at them, to the point where I made a meme with you where I'd be like, you're good, right, I'd send you a picture of Wolberg all smiles and like you're sure, And it's into the one where he's like looking at them wanting to eat their bones. For those who aren't aware, the movie is about air Marshall accompanying a fugitive to a trial. As they crossed the Asking Wilderness, tension sore and trust is tested as not everyone on board is who they seem.

9:24 Well, that's one way to put it, I would say, so another way to put it is exactly that that's what the movie is. Yes, yes, but I really enjoyed it. But what did What were your thoughts? I really liked it as somebody who has been a avid that seventies show fan for a long time, but also currently doing a rewatch at. The entire series. Okay, that's why I love seeing tofer Grace doing a little doing a little bit more because I feel like he's done a couple like Netflix things of the last couple of years, but I haven't really seen him much that I can recall. This is definitely a bigger role for him than he's been taking lately. He's more of like a supporting. There's a really good movie that he did. I want to say it would have been late twenty tens or early early twenty tens or late two thousands called The Double which is him and Richard gear Oh that sounds cool.

10:10 Has to do with a like double. Agent or whatnot. Yeah, really really good. Flick cannot recommend that enough. And he's a really good inte well, and he's a good actor. Yeah, it absolutely is. Came from the world of sitcoms, so it's easy to kind of pigeonhole him or be like, oh, he's not that great, but. Well, a lot of people forget he was in traffic, like that was one of his first big breakouts. Yeah that's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. But no, I think Flight Risk is an absolute blast ninety minute runtime, like basically on the Nose. I think it was like ninety one minutes if I'm not mistaken something like that. Yeah, ninety one minutes on the Nose. Had a great time with it. It really just keeps the tension going the entire time, and you may think you know where it's going and then something else happens and then you're like, oh shit, no we're on this route. Now, No sir, no sir. But yeah, I would absolutely give flight Risk a high recommend on that one.

10:54 Do You Even Move? He will be right back, welcome back to do You Even movie? And then we just got back, Yes we did, and from seeing the new Steven Soderberg movie we did which makes us sound very fancy, but it's a little film called Presence. And there was no presence at all, not even under a tree. I mean, the villain was trying to give a gift. Oh God, but what you always get mad when I point out the reality. The Presence description says a family becomes convinced they are not alone after moving into their new home in the suburbs.

11:40 It I want to say, first off, it's not a horror film. What I think it actually is a horror Do you think it is? Yeah? I feel like it's more of a family drama with supernatural elements. I think that's almost every horror film with a family in it. I don't know about that. I mean, that's basically amid evil horror. But horror isn't the title? Oh so that just makes it it just that just count that chances it out makes its own gravy. But no, I mean I really I thoroughly enjoyed Presence, had a like was very moved by the ending too, honestly. Who It was well thought out and I went in totally blind, as did you, hm, which makes me want to keep our audience blind. Yeah. I don't want to say too much, but it is a supernatural movie. It is about a type of like a spirit or haunting, and they take a really interesting direction with it. It's a little cheesy and hokey here, But I really I don't have any complaints about it. I thought it was It turned out it was really fun and I went a great time with it.

12:38 Shout out one of the main actors in at Chris Sullivan, who plays the father in the film. I was one over with his performance. Oh. I felt awful for him. Yeah, he was like he was the most reasonable person in that entire house. When somebody would do something so dickish you couldn't believe it, He's the one who would be like, Hey, you don't need to talk like that. Yeah, and it'd be like, oh, I'm used to the dads in those movies just beating you. That is the one thing I will say. It really used the word. Fuck a lot. Well, every scene, every scene is one long take. Yeah, so you're gonna get a lot of improv of of fucking proplem yeah, which is basically it's like if you don't want to say uh or say fuck.

13:19 I just realized something. I wonder if he was commenting on it with this whole thing, if it's not even enhancing now. Oh yeah, there's a whole part where he's judging his son's vocabulary. Yes, he's saying fuck a bunch. I wonder if that was actually in dric to that. I mean it could be. Yeah, he could have been referencing that. But no. Presence and flight Risk I cannot recommend either enough. Like I think they're I think they're a great time for the theater especially. Yeah, I mean presence, you're gonna get a lot of You're gonna get way more out of it scene in theaters, I think than you would at home from the sound design and the overall shot and everything. Oh yeah, well's it's it's pulse pounding. Yeah. Presence though had a lot of moments. I think we're really strong if you were seeing it in the theater. I mean, the theater is a better experience for all the way around film. Yeah, yeah, not that you know, there wasn't a lot of value to seeing Evil Dead by myself in my bedroom on VHS on a you know, a twenty eight inch fair square TV.

14:10 But what's the what is the like most monumental movie that you can remember watching on a small screen just out of curious monumental like one that is either like still with you to this day, but like the first time you saw it was on like a super small screen everything. Me like Terminator two. I mean I lived in a world war screens were small. I mean I literally watched Repo, the Genetic Opera, Boondocks, Saints and what the hell was the other one? There's another big movie in there that I watched on my iPod for the first time ever, Like, those were how I saw those. Just as David. Yeah, he wanted you to watch it on the Shrek TV yep. Oh man. There were days at the radio station when I was doing board opping, which is basically just controlling the board when they were doing sporting events, so it was basically listening to them come back for their breaks and go out to the brakes and whatnot. That I would just have my phone propped up in the window and just be watching stuff like That's how I watched.

15:00 Do you remember that movie Wormwood, The Road of Blood or. Whatever it was, Yeah, I watched that on my phone for the first time on Netflix. I used to listen to Gangster Rapp while I filmed the Police Memorial. I remember you told me that, Yeah, yeah, it was. I can't believe I was fired from that job eventually, crazy a year and a half later. Yeah, but still still a good, good answer. So yeah, that all being said, tonight's film is nineteen ninety three's groundhog Day, Yes, sir, directed by Harold ramis correct. Who many may know as which egone from you called Hime? Well you know what, I had a one and four shot, did okay? I chose the nerdy names first. At least I didn't say at least I didn't go you may know him as Ernie Hudson just the wrong actor's name and doesn't Gozer the Ghos. You may know him as the staypuff marshmallow Man Kaiser SoSE you may know him as former President Barack Hussein no bomb up, but but no, this is a movie. You want to talk about. A movie that had a impact on television, groundhog Day. Groundhog Day kind of jumped on the like the kind of wake of a Christmas story being twenty four hours. I can't remember it was t T or TBS, one of those I believe did the groundhog Day marathon. Marathon, Yeah, because they would do on groundhog Day groundhog Day all day, which

16:30 makes perfect sense. So I I guarantee that I first saw groundhog Day at home. My mother's always been a big Bill Murray fan. Yeah, so, I'm sure she probably either rented it or we, like, you know, watched it on cable. But I remember liking it a lot, and it was one of the earliest movies that made me cry. I could see that what's that supposed to mean? Pal? I know, I know what gets you sometimes. Oh oh yeah. I actually came to the movie a decade late. By the way, I came to it in my twenties. Great dishonor well, I it was so I my first distinct memory of Groundhog's Day. I cannot remember the character's name, but what was the rabbi on SNL that would come on to the weekend up dates?

17:17 See an actual rabbi? He was a character. He was a character. He's also in Casper. He's the guy that gets his head turned around father you. Time, like Guido Sarduci. Yeah yeah, yeah, Glut sardc Yeah yeah, yeah, yeahyeahan He was a character, but he was actually we started. He wasn't like a no, not an actor. Yeah yeah, Wido Sardy. Yeah, he did a he was I don't think he was a rabbi. I think he was a priest. Priest. He was on He did a bit on Weekend Update on an SNL that my parents had taped where he talked about Groundhog's Day, and that was like my first introduction to it was was him doing that bit, And then I asked my parents about it, and they were never big fans of Groundhog Day, like they I don't. I don't know if they just never really saw it or if it just didn't hit with them. I had no idea. So it wasn't until twenty thirteen, twenty twelve, I'm in college and I'm in my first screenwriting class. I had a really great teacher, and he decided that one of the lessons was going to be basically breaking down the first ten to fifteen minutes of a movie being critical for storytelling.

18:12 Okay, so he showed us. The beginning of High Noon, the beginning of The Menificent Seven, something else that I can't recall in Groundhog Day. And this is the first time I'm actually seeing groundhog Day, like the the intro with with him and everything and them going to Pugsatawani and like the initial wake up and everything. And I remember I immediately left class when class was done and went and bought a copy of Groundhog Day because I wanted to see it. Oh yeah, and then from that point on, basically every February second, I will watch Groundhog Day. That late, that late. I was in my I was at least in my. Twenties, I want to say, I mean I would hope. Yeah. Yeah, it was total Yeah, No, I had to be twenty twenty one, and I I mean, it was just it was honestly a moment that, like I just distinctly remember because I was just like, why the fuck did I wait so long to see this movie?

18:57 Because you're a bad person. It moved me so No, it is And by the way, I was somewhat wrong. Father Guido Sarducci obviously character but was portrayed by and I guess could still be because he's still with us, was portrayed by Don Novello. That's right, yeah, Don Emelio. But it was a character. He portrayed on many shows, Yeah, Married with Children, Blossom, It's Gary Shandling's show. Unhappily Ever After Square Pegs, he often appeared in many things in character. Yeah, he literally gets his head turned around and casper and vomited on. Yeah, This Mother's Brother's Comedy Hour, Surent Live. Of course, he did a bunch of articles and radio commercials for High Times magazine. Oh my god. So and he was very very funny. I'm paraphrasing, but I think my favorite father, Guido Sarducci was It was he the one who did the whole like every person, every savior of our people, Jesus Christ crucified, Martin Luther King shot dead, and I myself am not feeling very well. That was him, very very funny.

19:55 I just remember even Casper. Oh it's a piece of cake, piece of crumb. Cake, don't you remember that? Yeah, yep, he's a chrome cake. God do you even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back. To do you even movie? I guess we should talk about the film for real's obviously it stars the irreplaceable Bill Murray. Yes, that is correct, although we'll see how Bill Murray AI does once he's gone.

20:36 So Groundhog Day is one hour in forty one minutes, rated PG. For some thematic elements. The IMDb synopsis says, a narcissistic, self centered weatherman finds himself in a time loop on Groundhog Day. I mean that's pretty solid, Yeah, I mean that's pretty solid. My synopsis TV Weatherman Phil Connors travels to Puksatawny to cover Groundhog Day festivities, only to get stuck in a time loop, causing him to experience the same day every day. I gotta be honest, I like there's more on that one there, I think, because I think the narcissistic part is actually important. It's key, No, it's absolutely key. And Bill Murray is really good at playing unlikable people who become likable. Yeah, that's one of his Like Bread and Butter. I mean, I feel like, given that you know they're they're out of the season with Scrooge, But like, if you watch Scrooge in Groundhog's Day back to back, you're going to cry multiple times when he has his when he has his wrap ups at the end, I would say, especially Scrooged taglines include what would you do if you were stuck in the same day over and over? Anything you want and everything your heart desires.

21:38 That makes it sound too fun. He's having the worst day of his life over and over. Okay, I I all right that one. I like, he's having the day of his life over and over again. I'm starting to see a pattern in the marketing here. So I will unfortunately report that at this time of this recording, groundog Day is currently available to only rent or by through Primer Fandango. It is not Peacock anymore. I didn't see it at least. If it is, I missed it. But it wasn't listed on IMDb. Huh, yeah, I thought it was on I thought it was on Peacock. If it's on Peacock, then I am wrong and a piece of shit. Well, I mean, now we're cooking. I'll check. Okay, Well, you keep doing your little dance.

22:20 Director and writer on the film Harold Ramis, who you may remember several weeks back from our episode of The Ice Harvest. Just to give you a highlight of his resume for a director, he does Caddyshack in nineteen eighty, National Lampoon's Vacation, eighty three, Club Paradise in eighty six, Groundhog Day, and ninety three Stewart Saves his Family in ninety five. Multiplicity analyzed this, but dazzled analyze that in The Ice Harvest in two thousand and five. He was also the writer on Lemmings and seventy three, Animal House, Caddy Shack, Stripes, Ghostbusters, Back to School, groundhog Day, and as I reported, on that ice Harvest episode as well. He did unfortunately pass February twenty fourth or twenty fourteen from an autoimmune inflammatory asculitis. He was sixty nine at the age at the time. Nice but also phenomenal filmmaker, phenomenal storyteller. It is not on Peacock, that's on me. Okay, I saw Filo and it's a key. Yeah, that's fair in passing. No yet, it's not currently readily available, but.

23:11 It very well could be because as we're recording this, we're not into the month yet, so it might They might change it over. You never know. The studio executives might be like, I'm tired of drinking this child's blood? Is it almost groundhog Day? Right around the film? Is Danny Rubin, God damn you. And you're welcome? Ninety three is groundhog Day? Then here to Evil? When ninety three is well, so fucking what? Or SFW in ninety four, stork Day in two thousand and four, our own Devices. In twenty eighteen. Nice? Yeah, do you ever see SFW? No? Stephen Dorf and I want. To say love his videos on golf. Every freaking time. I think it's him and Reese Witherspoon, I want to say, and it's basically their criminals that take a group hostage, but there's a camera or a TV crew in the mix, and they basically are broadcast for X amount of time and become celebrities going off of their of their FEMA bestfw was just so fucking lot.

24:08 That sounds really familiar. It was a cable player, especially like Showtime. Well with a title like that, Yeah, Yeah. Cinematographer on the film is John Bailey. He gets his start as a second unit or a second unit DP and two Lane Blacktop in seventy one, Posse in seventy five, Hollywood Boulevard in seventy six, Welcome to La in seventy six, The Late Show in seventy seven, Days of Heaven, Cursed in two thousand and fives, Craven's Curse. He doesn't become a director of photography until nineteen seventy two. Is Premonition, followed by the Mafu Cage, followed by Boulevard Knights in seventy nine, American Jigglo in nineteen eighty, City of Fear in nineteen eighty, Ordinary People in nineteen eighty, Honky Tonk Freeway, Continental Divide, Cat People Without a Trace, The Big Chill in eighty three.

24:52 Now, oh well, I mean the soundtrack that everybody loves. I have both volume one and Volume two. We Know on vinyl and cassette. We Know No popa. Grantit's Village in eighty four, Silverado in eighty five, Crossroads in eighty six, Brighton Beach Memories eighty six, Light of Day, Tough Guys Don't Dance in eighty seven, which I think may be coming to this show. After watching it. Okay, I've not seen ty. I know you haven't. Vibes in eighty eight. Now we're talking. The Accidental touris My Blue Heaven. Then he goes and does Groundhog Day in ninety three, followed by the Line of Fire in ninety three, Nobody's Full in ninety four. Then he goes and does Extreme Measures, Passion in ninety six, as good as it gets, Living Out Loud, the out of Towners, for the Love of the Game, Antitrust, the Anniversary Party, the Kid Stays in the Picture, Divine Secret of the Ya Ya Sisterhood, How to Lose a Guy in Ten Days Incident, Locknes's Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, Must Love Dogs, The Producer's Bobby z licensed to wed Mad Money over her dead body. He's just nothing into you When in Rome, Remote and Zus Country Strong, Big Miracle, The Way Way Back, The Angriest Man in Brooklyn, The Forger, A Walk in the Woods, and How to be a Latin Lover, capping it off with ten Tricks in twenty twenty two.

25:55 My god, I want to say something real quick. Yeah, the man has done some films with truly memorable titles. Yeah. Secrets of the Yah Yah Sisterhood, Divine Secrets, Divine thank You. Yes, I'm so sorry. It was one of my mom's favorites, and of course it probably still and then The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, Yes, again very memorable. And then of course How to Be a Latin Lover. H which stars our guy from the Overboard remake. I can't think of his name, the god damn it. What the other There's another movie we watched recently with him in, but How to Be a Latin Lover supposed to hilarious. I haven't seen it yet, I mean, better be funny. Moving into our cast, we have mister Bill Murray who plays Phil Connors in the film. He gets a start in seventy seven on a little show called Saturday Night Live.

26:38 What does it called again? Live from New York? It's Saturday Night. Remember it was just called Saturday Night That's true, which, by the way, I highly recommend it. Just hit Netflix's good. I highly recommend checking out Saturday Night if you haven't, even if you don't like SNL, even if you didn't watch it in its heyday, Really fun and really fun. JK. Simmons Cameo two. First of all, every JK. Simmons Samamio is a wonderful JK. Simmons jamming absolutely but yes. So Meatballs in seventy nine, Caddyshack in nineteen eighty, Stripes in eighty one, Tootsie Ghostbusters, Little Shop of Horrors. He does Scrooge in eighty eight, Quick Change in nineteen ninety, Groundhog Day in ninety three he has Kingpins space jam Wild Things, which for some reason I freaking forgot he was in. I don't know how wild Thing did he plays a cop.

27:28 I'm gonna be honest, I may have forgotten all but one thing seven minutes of that film. Rushmore in ninety eight Charlie's Angels in two thousand, Osmosis Jones two thousand and one, Lost in Translation, Garfield in two thousand and four. Which I love that they got him to be the voice in the movie after very similar to like the Mandela effect of Daria the cartoon on MTV. Everybody thought that was jinging Garoffelo. Yeah, everybody thought Bill Murray was the voice of Garfield. Yeah, the cartoons and TV specials, and. I still love the heat agreed to do it because of the Cohens, But then it wasn't the Cohens that he knew. Ain't that just the way life goes? Life aquatic with Steve's Zzu in two thousand and four, Zombie Land, the Monument's been Saint Vincent in twenty fourteen, Dead Don't Die in twenty nineteen.

28:12 Vincent very underrated, great film, Vincent, and like when he makes the kid sardines on crackers and calls it sushi. So good, Ghost Moosters After the Life in twenty twenty one. We also have Andy McDowell in the cast, who plays Rita Hanson in the film. She gets her start in eighty four's Gray Stoke. The Legend of Tarzan goes on to do San Amos Fire Sex. Liz in videotape Hudson Hawk in ninety one, The Player previous episode of ninety two. Well, she was actually in it. She actually said a word. Lines multiple She talks to the one agent when they go into the bar and he gets ambushed by that guy for the pit. The movie Pitch with the Umbrellas. I Vaguely Believe You crowndhog Day in ninety three, Okay Shortcuts in ninety three, Four Weddings at a Funeral in ninety four, Bad Girls in ninety four, Michael in ninety six, The End of Violence in ninety seven, Muppets from Space in ninety nine, Town and Country in two thousand and one, Dinner with Friends, the Practice Shop, Riding the Bus with My Sister in two thousand and five, Intervention, Prince of Motor City, The Fifth Quarter Daydream Nation, Monte Carlo in twenty eleven, Footloose remake in twenty eleven, thirty Rock, Magic Mechs, My Magic Mechs, Magic Mike XXL, Trial and Error, Only The Brave, Ready You're Not in twenty nineteen, which He's great.

29:17 In Oh Yeah, Yeah, Oh Yeah. Wireless in twenty twenty, made in twenty twenty one on Netflix, and most recently Good Rich, that Michael. Keaton movie We Gotta Watch. Oh okay, And wrapping up our cast is mister Chris Elliot, returning to the show from snow Day, who plays Larry the cameraman in this. And he's great at being a real prick. Yeah, but in like and I like, You're like, yeah, you got a point though, Like what if it's being a prick to Bill Murray's character, It's like, hey, what yeah, Yeah, you're fine. Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's fair. He gets a. Start in nineteen eighty six Manhunter, then goes on to do Miami Vice in eighty seven, The Abyss in eighty nine, Get a Life as TV series in nineteen ninety, Groundhog Day in ninety three, then goes on to be in CB four the movie in ninety three, Cabin Boy in ninety five, four.

30:00 The illustrious filmed Cabin Boy that Letterman had no problem talking about with him on this look Letterman. I always liked Letterman, but holy crap, did he have a mean streak? He had a mean meanness to him? Yeah, he did. And when he did, he sure did. Yeah, my lord. It's like people have been unearthing the interview he did with Lindsay Lohan right before she went to rehab. That interview is real. Mean I can only imagine. Yeah, Do You Even? Movie will be right back, Welcome back to Do You Even?

30:43 Movie? The Aventures of Pete and Pete in ninety four, Saturday Night Live in ninety four, Kingpen The Naked Truth, There's Something About Mary in ninety eight, Snow Day in two thousand, Scary Movie two in two thousand and one, Osmosis Jones in two thousand and one, Weber Show, according to Jim Scary Movie four, Dance Flick, The Dictator, Eagle Heart, Nurse Jackie, Shit's Creak in twenty fifteen, Sandy Wesler in twenty seventeen, and most recently Carved in twenty twenty four. Which is that the the Lulu Pumpkin movie. Yeah, Oh he's in it. He's in it. Got to know that. I Oh, yeah, he was the first person I had to google. I was like, wait, wait, wait wait wait yeah. It was it? No shit, Yeah, it's pretty good. My problem with it, I think I've talked about this show before. Yeah, my problem with it was that there were some characters you really really like that are built up to be extremely believable. Yeah, but then you're supposed to like laugh when you find their severed head. And it don't work for me. Yeah, it doesn't mean it doesn't work for you out there, You kids, you kittens that like the horror comedies.

31:42 Well, it's why two K did the same thing. Yeah, in that movie Stink. I mean, it wasn't that dang. No, but it wasn't great. Yeah, it wasn't great. And one of the reasons it wasn't great was that I felt like every time I thought I was like invested, then they would just pull the rug. Yeah, which, in a way, okay, you know, I'd take it back. It's a little too harsh on Why two K let the box office be the pummeling ow dude? Even I was well, no, even I was shocked that they spent so much money on it. Yeah, but yeah, it's just and again, I'm not the audience for horror comedies. So I'm not here to say you out there in the world should not like horror comedies, but I certainly am not a big fan of horror comedies.

32:25 There have been some though, Tucker and Dale versus Evil perfect. Yeah, so funny. I'd watch it a million times. Yeah. So, and there are other Sean of the Dead and all that. You know. Well, I mean, hell, this could have been a horror comedy if they would have gone with some of the original screenplays. Well, and when you find out how many days he actually lived or day over and over, I've got that in the trivia. That makes it a horror movie to me. Yeah, I would say, so, so you're ready to get into the movie. No, I would not want to live the same day over and over again, especially not I didn't see this is why I need to I need to get more sleep at night, I guess, because that would have been the perfect segue, would be. Anyway, here's the day I don't want to live over and over. But instead, for some reason, I was stuck on thinking about I do want to when I when I have like four things happened poorly in a row that were up to chance.

33:11 I literally hear in my head I have a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. Did you sing that during quarantine? No, I just I just cried and washed my dishes a lot. I think that was The closest I came to ground on day was quarantine. Yeah, just you just wake up the sunny and share, get yourself a bottle of wine in the shower. There was there was a day Oh oh no, wait no, there was a week, Oh lord that I would basically start my day by telling it my my system that I'm not going to say the name of because she may hear her name in the room right now. Your system, the automated system. Oh oh oh yeah, she's always.

33:51 She's always listening. But I wanted her to play no joke. Every day is exactly the same by nine inch nails. When I got up for a week. That is the most dave thing I've ever heard in my life. And I don't want to be on this planet anymore. I believe I could see the future. Oh yeah, that was a sad set time. I have to let it stand because I sang terrible, horrible, no good, very bad days so much so that's fair fair enough. So Groundhog Day opens on February first. We are meeting cynical television weatherman Phil Connors, and he is going through his spiel in the in the weather forecast, even doing some fun humor things He seems fun at first. Yeah, but very quickly that fun humor becomes becomes it becomes clear that there's an edge to it. That he just resents his job entirely and everybody involved, Yeah, intensely.

34:42 I mean he's he's in there. So he's in Pittsburgh, and he he's in Pennsylvania, right, Yeah, West Pennsylvania in Pittsburgh. Okay, yeah, he's Pittsburgh. I'm almost certain he's I know he's in Pittsburgh, yep, so he is. Uh. He wraps up his forecast and he tells everybody that he's not going to be around for the six o'clock because he's going to pugs A Tawny because to. Is Groundhog Day, Yeah, Puck Satani. And he has to do the live report as they always do, and he's taking along his new producer, Rita Hanson and cameraman Larry with. Him, Larry the camera man, Larry the cameraman, and I do love when he when he makes one of the jokes that stuck out right away was he says, like, I have offers from major networks. Yeah, and Chris Elliot's characters just like that's the home shop up network and that he leaves.

35:26 So they are traveling to pug Satani and he's talking with Rita and Larry and basically just being cynical about how I can't wait to be done with this. This is the last one. And she's even asking him like, you know, what's what's the big deal, Like, you know, why don't you like like Groundhog's Day? Yeah, because because we get the vibe he's done this sometimes and and to him, this is just like we're gonna go look at the yokels pulling out their rodent. Yeah, And I get where where his producer's coming from, because she's like, can't you just like this is kind of fun, Like it's a cute town. I've been to punk Satoni. It's very cute. I've heard it is, Like she's like, can't we just have some fun? Like you get to go to a place you haven't been to very often, You get to see people having fun and dancing, you get to do a fun thing, a fun remote. Plus the worst part about him complaining is once they get there and they do his you know, his stand up about it, they're like done. Like he he like had to work from like eleven am to like early eleven am to like two pm. Yeah, two p Like, that's it.

36:26 Show business is so hard, dude, as somebody who had to. Cover the Strawberry Festival for many years, multiple days of the Strawberry Festival, mind you. How long did it take the Strawberries to see their goddamn show? Oh my god? So it would start on so technically Friday is when it started. They would have the thing downtown and then the festival would open officially Saturday with them die in the fountain. So then he had Saturday and Sunday. But then they die the fountain. They down the fund in red Yeah, I hope, But was it Red number three? Was not Red number three? I don't think. Now they're not allowed to do that. I do that anymore. But I would have to, no joke, walk that entire goddamn town carrying my tripod, my camera bag because the festivities would be on the levee the festivity and streets are shut down, so I can't I can't drive.

37:12 Yeah, so I'm walking for the record. I mean, regardless of how the streets are, you can't drive, how dare you? So it was it was just getting to a point that that when once I saw groundhog Day. You know, I was in college, so I hadn't had this experience yet. But after seeing groundhog Day, I really started to get that feeling of Phil. After a bit with the fucking festival you were, you were like, I'm a grizzled twenty something. Oh yeah. So he's happy to be leaving the station for his new job, and he is not shy at all about telling them about it. They get into Pugsatani and they pull up to a hotel and he immediately is like, no, no, no, no, not staying here. This place is not for me. She's like, no, this is where Larry and I are staying. I booked you in a nice bed and breakfast.

37:56 Yeah, which again would make the experience so much more charming. Yeah, you know, to get to stay at a bed and breakfast, you get to meet nice people. But of course he's not gonna take advantage of any of. That curmudgeon curmudgeon as he is. So he wakes up the next day and we get our first taste of Sonny and shares I got you, babe, And I really hope we hear it more because I do like that song. You know, I don't know if he will though, just being honest. So we hear two guys going on about Groundhog's Day. He opens his window, he sees the festival is in full swing, so he heads out downstairs, runs into I cannot remember the actor's name, but he's the Santa Claus in Home Alone. Oh yeah, yeah, gosh, he's one of those character actors.

38:36 He's great in everything, big heavy set guy, great memorable voice. And of course he's asking, you know, hey, do you think the Groundhog's gonna see a shadow? What do you think Spring's gonna start? And he gives him the exact date for springs starting. Yeah, yeah, which and I always feel for that guy too, because everybody in that bed and breakfast, they like know who he is because he's the weather then from Pittsburgh. Yeah, and Pittsburgh's the big market, yeah, on that side of PA. Because on the other side is Philly, and in between is not a whole lot other than a college, a college that literally they had to make a town called State College so that it wasn't in Philly or Pittsburgh. My god, I'm serious, I believe it, because that's that's like the level of it's so different. Pittsburgh is a Midwest kind of working class town. Yeah, And Philly is a very East Coast style town. Yeah. It's much more like New Jersey as to where Pittsburgh is much more like Ohio in that way. And I like both cities very very much. I'm not trying to crap on. Yeah, I also know a little bit and I'll talk about it more in a second. About getting stuck in a blizzard on those very twice, yeah, I can bet you do.

39:39 And then a snows and then ice storm rather. So, speaking of a storm, a woman who runs the bed and breakfast, which is very very sweet, and Phil comes down, you know, no shit at all, just completely be in the dick again because it gives no shit, you know. Okay, can I have a cap? I don't suppose there's a cappuccino? Oh no, no, we don't have that. I didn't think so, like under his breath and everything being a complete dick, he even mentions that the s doorn they're supposed to get is probably not gonna hit them. It's gonna go right past him, and he does his whole weather spiel. Well, he is a meteorologist, so like I do love the like because when the one, it's really bad. He's like, no, it's gonna blow down in the upper pressure. Sisters just explaining it me while they're standing in the middle of a snowstorm. But it's like, no, trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

40:20 Correct me if I'm wrong. This is when he goes and sees Ned right. Ned runs into him right after this or is it after the first front. It's like when he's heading to them for breakfast. So yeah, so he's going. So he's walking out to Punsaitani and he's gonna go meet them, and he runs into somebody who recognizes him right away, and we meet the great Steven Tobolowski as Ned Ryers, one of. The greatest character actors known to man, and Tobo. It wastes snow time being Tobo Tobo? Is that is that you guys are on that on a nickname basis? Now that's what he called it? Wasn't Tobo Stories. Wasn't that what we call his podcast? It could be. I feel like that's what he called it. I just I mean, I just I just call him, you know, Lawski. He likes that Lawski.

41:00 Do you even movie will be right back, Welcome back to do you even movie? So he is ned Ryerson, and of course Phil knows who he is, but one sack like he doesn't. And he's like going through all these things that he had shingles real bad and in school, and he've dated his sister at one point, and then he asked, this is. Because he's trying. We've all probably ran into somebody from school or whatever. And my favorite move, my favorite Dick move, is the whole I don't remember you. Yeah, Like that's such a crummy way to kind of like but it also it's also a way to like stop the small talker because you don't want to talk to them. I'm very fortunate. Can't imagine why, but I've never had anybody pretend they don't remember me from school. I can't imagine why, but but it's so funny because they saying I don't remember you. He just has thing after thing that is so incredibly memorable. Remember I almost died of shingles. But he's like, I dated your sister that year. He tell me to stop. He told me to stop, like he has every reason to be remembered. He's like, uh no, no, and he has his Keith catchphrase, bing big oh god.

42:23 So he he. Tells Ned that he's got to go work on the pokes of Toaddi on the groundhod Day reports that he goes off and walks, and he steps off the sidewalk into a giant puddle, and Ned goes up. Fuff, Oh, look out for that puddle. Instid dude, look out for that first step. It's a doozy and again, very great balance to the writing. You're supposed to feel bad for this guy because our main characters being a choch about everything, but at the same time he's annoying and kind of kind of a dick himself. He is, although then well well then again, I mean he is reacting to basically being treated like he's an idiot. Yeah. He also tries to sell him life insurance. He does, which doesn't make you more likable in that circumstance, but it's like you can tell this guy doesn't want to talk to you, and now you're going to try and sell him something on top.

43:10 Well, you know, if you have life insurance, you could never have too much. Yeah, that was Oh my gosh, he's so he's the hard cell really helps, Yeah, make that make that rough. He's so good. So then Phil goes out to Gobbler's knob. He's getting ready for the fest of the festival, and they're gonna pull Phil out and get everything basically read off their little scroll. So that's when we find out that it's going to be six more weeks of winter. Six more weeks well according to the ground according to the groundhog. Yes, and of course the guy that is uh pulling the groundhog out is Bill Murray's own brother, Brian Doyle Murray. Yes, yeah, and I mean who better as buster Buster? Was he the mayor of the town or was he? I believe he's the mayor or something along those lines. Yeah, So he wraps up the report really shittily, like he I can't remember what he says exactly, but she's even like, you know, can you do that again? But less cynical or less sarcastic. He's like no, yeah, no. So then he goes back to his He they go to a diner and he's ready to leave. They get on the road, and right as they're getting on the road, the blizzard starts to hit.

44:07 Whoops, couldn't happen to a nicer guy. They get stopped like just right outside of town and the cops like, you know, you gotta go back. And of course he gets out of the car. It's great. He's standing there being pelted by snow and he's like, snow, you don't understand. It's good, gonna come up and through there and like this is nothing, but I love it. That's another one of my favorite jokes to start off the movie, because he says, look, you either go back to Pucksatani or you can freeze to death. And he's like, I'm thinking about it. I love it because he's shivering while he's talking of red, like his hair is filling with snow. So they are forced to spend the night in the town. So he goes back to his motel and then the next morning he wakes up and he's hearing the radio say the same report.

44:53 Yeah, he's hearing Sasani and Chriff followed by because it's cold. At first, he's like, oh, you're playing the same tay or you're playing the tape guys, like he thinks he's busted them everything. And that's when he opens the window and sees that it is exactly the same day again. Yeah. Well, and then it becomes especially clear because he gets the same greetings in the morning, he goes outside walk the guy in the hallway. Yeah, yeah, and then he goes outside. The lady's like, I'm going to see it's Groundhog Day and he's like, isn't once it's a year? Is it still once a year? So he is. He thinks he's experiencing deja vu, which he absolutely is. Everybody asks the lady at the bed and practice. He's like, do you know what deja vu is? And she's like, I don't think we have that, but I can ask question. Yeah.

45:39 So that's when he again goes and does his report. He tries to leave town and you know, it doesn't work out again, so he goes back to bed the next day again. He's even talking to Rita and he's like, you know, I'm leaving the same day again. She's like, yeah, yeah, whatever, do you do your report? So they don't believe him. Nobody believes him. So that's when he awakes and again February second, once again, so he gradually starts realize that he is now trapped in this time loop. Yeah, and and and and I've never seen somebody so mad. Yeah, it's something that is like that's not only beyond your control, yeah, but also beyond your comprehension. Yeah, like, this doesn't happen to much of anybody ever. You've never heard of it ever happening to anybody ever.

46:20 It's terrifying to think about. Yeah. Yeah, when when I, like I said, when I found out how long they had written in the script that he had been suffering. Yeah, that that made me uneasy. We will give you that answer at the end of this podcast. Dear listener, ooh nice cliffhanger. Yeah, it's uh. You you may think you know, you don't know shit, so. Think you know me, but you don't know anything. So once again he shows up at the festival and he's trying to talk to Rita about you know, we I've I've done this now three times, like I know what's gonna happen, this is what's gonna happen and everything, and that's when she's like, Okay, well, if you really feel this way, let's get you to a neurologist, and that in turn takes him to a psychologist the Great hairs. Well he says. What he says though, is he says, like you're a producer, like, help me tell me what she's like, I think you should get your head exams.

47:07 So then it smash cuts to Harold Ramis and he has an X ray of his head and he's like, everything looks fine here. If you want to get a cat scan, you're gonna have to go out. He's like, unfortunately, if you want a cat scan or a CT scan, you'll have to go to Pittsburgh for that. He's like, he's like, I can't leave town. He's like, what do you mean. He's like, I've tried. I've tried. He's like, i'd recommend a psychiatrist, and then again a psychiatrist. As a psychiatrist is so overwhelmed by what appears to be a paranoid delusion, by the way, because of course it would be a paranoid delusion. So he's just like very nervous as he's telling him like I'm trapped here, I'm living the same day, and he's just like, uh, I mostly handle couples, and I have an alcoholic now, which I love. I have an alcoholic I have an alcoholic now And he's like excited about it, which I think is again, it's a great it's a great like depiction of small town. Yeah, America that it's like we have the basics, you know, but like nobody's even equipped to deal with your level of neuro season confusion.

48:12 Well, and going back to the small town, I think one of my favorite things that I've kind of glossed over is any time we're in the diner in town and all the people that are around there, the locals and everything we've got, you know, the tray that drops in the plates and you got Rick to common and. Goes, hey, just put that anywhere? Guy? Yeah, and and he completely he can predict it, like yeah and plates and yeah, it's it's it's so good. So that is when he decides that he is gonna go get drunk with a few locals, and we have Gusts and Ralph, and that is when he gets them in the car. You know, they've they've had a few drinks and he's gonna drive them, but he decides that he's gonna try to figure this out a little bit more. So they start. Driving on train tracks, and that's one of my favorite things that he's basically talking to me is like, you know, what would you guys do if there was no consequences tomorrow?

48:52 And that's when Rick de Common's like, well, basically, you can pretty much do anything. Yeah. He's like, I'm tired of being told go to bed all time, tired of being told like do your homework. I'm tired of being told don't don't drive. Well, I actually think that's a good I kind of like that one. Phil. So he starts leading police on this chase of the train tracks and they go all the way down. They pull a chicken right in front of a train. The last second he pulls off, and that's when the cop pulls up. Because they were originally like talking about going to get flap Jackson. So the cop comes over and he's like two cheeseburgers. Oh, is it too early for Flapjacks? What do you guys want? So that he gets arrested, he's in prison, we see the bars close and he just kind of has this grin on his face because he knows that when the next morning comes, he's gonna be back in his bed.

49:39 Yeah, and sure is shit. The next morning comes, we hear Sonny and cheer, I got you, babe, And Phil wakes up once again in the Cherry Street in and he just has this grin on his face and realizing now there are no consequences at all for his actions. Yeah. So now he's moving into the fun and games portion, Yeah, which is where he does things like just walks up to that attractive girl and he sees kind of passing by because it's a small town, so you're seeing some people at the bed and breakfast, then you're seeing them also at the diner, then you're seeing them walking down the street, then you're seeing wherever. So he just grills her for a bunch of information, you know, what, what was your sixth grade teacher? What was this? And this and this? And then the next day he's using that info as an inn yep to like.

50:20 Hey, hey I sat behind you, I was in your class. We had such and such. Yeah, yeah, and then he says like, let's catch up later, and he uses that to completely as an ind to bed her immediately smash cut to her house. They're they're having sex, and then you've also got the next night he's taking. Is it her or another woman? Two of the movies, it might have been her, I'm not sure. I can't reme. But anyway, he's dressed as the man with no Name. Clint Eastwood has has the cigar and everything talks and talks in the accent, and they go see the movie. But then we also get into the other darker side where he is doing NonStop binge eating right in front of Rita and the diner because he knows. Yeah, so he's shoving entire like angel food cake in his mouth and she's. Like, what makes you so special that you have no consequences to your actions? Coffee from the pot? Oh what I'm saying, just keep keep it coming please on the waitress like, all right.

51:10 Do you even? Movie will be right back, welcome back to do you Even movie. That's when Larry comes over. He's like, you know, we gotta get on the road, and he's like, you know, I'm not going anywhere like you guys, go ahead. So then that's when we also move into another activity where he has been through the days at probably about a couple weeks at this point, to where he times a robbery off of a bank truck. Yeah. Yeah, he just walks up, picks up the thing because he knows exactly when they're gonna turn away all this stuff, so he just takes a bunch of money. Yeah, so he takes a bunch of money has a huge bag of money. And that's I think that's when they cut to the movie theater after that, So we also see that he just starts having increasing knowledge, Like he runs back into Ned and first the second time, he's like, he goes and he goes Ned Ryerson hugs him and he's like, hey, you know, do you have any place to go?

52:05 Could you could you stay? And do you have anywhere you have to be? Could you stay? Could you call in? Could you call in? That's immediately just gross and he's just like, I've missed you. I've missed you. And one of my favorite parts here is right as Ned goes running the part on the sidewalk where the woman's where he stepped off, another person steps off. He watches them go in and get their foot wet, just like he did. And that's that like immediate evil look on his face. Oh yeah, we're off to the races now. So that's when he eventually focuses on Rita. He wants, he wants to seduce Rita. He's basically had everybody in town at this point, so word to Believe, and now he's focusing his attraction on his producer.

52:46 Yeah, so he's asking her personal questions and then spending time like reading her favorite books so that then they can talk and he can quote her favorite books. And this like all comes to pass basically when they are going to the hug A Tawny celebration. Later that night, they're at a bar and he comes over and sits next to her for a drink, and he's like, you know, he orders her or he orders her a drink first, that she'd like something on the rocks or something like that or that, and she wants a sweet vermouth with a twist. And he says sweet with a twists like he's trying to remember it. And the way you write anything down, the paper will be gone. Well, the way the editing is, we go immediately to it, like it's just like a sweet Ruth with a twist. Next night we're there like formuth with a twist. I love it. And like he keeps winning her over a little bit more and manipulates her. But no matter what happens, she's onto him. She knows right away. So I mean, we see them have a nice night together, but he gets slapped multiple times.

53:36 I see him get rejected again and again and again and again, and it's Honestly, at first, it's pretty charming until you really the thing about this movie is it's like all comedy. The further you are from it, the funnier it looks. Yeah, and you know, there's a part of you that can't even hate on him too bad. It's like, what else is he gonna do? He's I mean, he's just stuck in this. You know, he's trying to to to cut ahead so that he can have these uh you know, I guess distract a distract experience. I would say so, yes. So basically he always gets denied from her when he tells her he loves her, like that's the number one thing that she's like, Yeah, you don't know me, I don't know you, Like, you're just going off of this one thing. So he gradually just starts to become.

54:22 Depressed in the movie. Yeah. So by this point we are over into suicide realm. Yeah, and this is where the fun in Games really starts to stop. Yeah, because not only does he start with basically going into downstairs, grabbing the toaster, going. Into the tub the toaster right off where they're serving breakfast at the bed and breakfast and just drops it in the tub, and the lights flicker. Yeah, yeah, they just they're all just down there eating and they see the lights, like huh. He jumps off a tower, he gets hit by a car. He even says at one point that he's been shot, stabbed, poisoned in. All these things. Yeah, which we don't see a lot of these, which again I'll get to that in the trivia at the end as to why. But this all leads to him going and kidnapping Pugsatani film, which.

55:07 Is one of the most memorable moments and a great moment for the trailer because there's a whole scene where he's basically letting Phil punk Satani film, which, by the way, he hates even more because he's Phil and Punk Satani Phil Phil, So he's he's letting the groundhog drive steer. The don't drive angry, don't drive angry. It's it's a great moment because the levity is what makes this movie stick so well to where people even with the heavy themes that we're about to really uncover and with and with the heavy theme of the fact that what the movie's really saying is that most of the time, we all waste the potential we have every single day, that every single day is an immense amount of opportunities to grow, to meet people, to love, to to all these things. But having a scene where Bill Murray steals a groundhog and goes for a joy ride really does It's it's really the spoonful of sugar to help the medicine go down police chase in full pursuit.

56:06 He is going on the road and he's driving with Phil Fills on the steering wheel, and finally we get to like a cliff ravine. I mean it's basically a giant cliff. Yeah, it's like a cliff. So he has parked at the end, the cops have caught up with him, and he says, fuck it, we're going over, so takes him and Phil right over the edge and once again awakens on February second two. I got you, babe. And the one thing that. I also have glossed over is it starts out he's happy to hear the alarm clock. Yeah, and then he starts like he's hitting it with his hands, and that one point he's just beat eating. It with a hammer, throwing it, stomping on it. And I mean that's that's basically where I got you. Babe. We see once five point fifty nine and it falls into six am. Every morning it gets heavier, it gets slower, and. The way they film it, yeah, they use a macro lens and they slow it down. So here's a filmmaking trick.

56:54 If you want something small to look bigger, Yeah, the secret isn't just making it look bigger in the lens by using macrophotography trick photography, it's the speed that it moves because big things move slow and small things move fast. And when in the olden days when they would shoot on film, they would actually do the math of like what size is this supposed to be, and then they'd figure out how many frames per second to run the camera because if you run extra frames, it goes slower, if you run less frames, it goes faster. One of the most famous examples of how that works is Godzilla in the original Toho Productions where it was a man in a suit. Because famously, one of my favorite things about Godzilla, and I think a lot of people as well, is that when Godzilla does something there is that he always has that incredible beat before he goes yeah, which, by the way, is a bow on a base like an upright base playing the strings on the bottom side of the bridge. I did not know that. I learned that because I was classically trained violinist. Makes sense. And when I learned that, I went straight to one of the bass players and aske him to do it, and I was like, that's it, that's it. It was the Leo Leo DiCaprio snapping. That's it.

58:04 That's it. But so my point is the reason that there's that that that weight before he roars is because the actor in the suit is being captured in like double time or so it's half as fast, maybe even a little bit more. Yeah, so that weight is because the timing is just going to be slower. But it works great for Godzilla. So when when he's filming this little because it's one of those flap alarm clocks that has the little flaps that change the time, it shows them fall and hit. Now, for all I know, because this was a big budget movie, maybe they actually built giant ones. I have no idea, but they they move so slow and when they hit, it has base to it and you see the little wiggle as it lands, and it's such a beautiful example of show don't tell where you could have Bill Murray say I am so miserable I dread when I wake up, or you could do that.

58:56 And it's memorable, so memorable that it was one of the first thoughts I had when we were talking about doing this film on the show. Well, and I mean it goes without saying too that, like, as the movie progresses, we see him get worse and worse, even though he's waking up a different person or the same person every day. He is getting he's changing it. He's changing a lot. Because there's that great overhead where he put put your booties on campers. It's cold outside. He's just saying it, yeah. And he's just looking so gray and everything. So eventually it gets to the point where he realizes he can't kill himself, so he is deciding that he wants to try to explain the situation, to read it again and be sincere about it, and try to try to woo her once more. So I don't even mean part of it, I don't even know part of it's probably a friend, but he's probably just he's so miserable and so lonely, and and you have to imagine for a second, let's say that he's not even the biggest sleez ball in the world.

59:49 Let's say that he you know, because every day he gets to know a woman better and better. Yeah, let's say that he just really likes them, nothing matters. No, no matter how much they get along, no matter how good they make him feel, he'll never be deeper than that one moment. It's it's a very brilliant metaphor for like casual sex, yeah, or one night stands, suggesting that they could actually make you immensely more lonely because oh well, no matter what you do, no matter how much you spend time with them, no matter how they make you feel in the moment, it's always over. Yeah, it's always over. Well, and you start out having resentment for him as a character because I mean, he's a he's not a likable guy at all, and I mean through the movie he doesn't really get more likable at this point, so you're kind of struggling because you're just like shit, Like, I start to feel really bad for him at this point, as I think at most of the viewers are supposed.

1:00:43 To Yeah, once he's like killing himself over and over again, You're already like. Yeah, because at first you're just like, oh yeah, no consequences sounds great, and then oh yeah, by by year one, well. Then you realize no consequences means no benefit, means no good things. It's like my mama. My mom always pounded into my head, nothing venture, nothing gained. If you have nothing to lose, you have nothing to get, nothing to get there, you have nothing at all. Yeah, do you even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to do you even movie.

1:01:24 That's when he decides to use his knowledge of the loop to to try and get through to her. So he starts telling her about that when the plates are going to fall, and he starts explaining everybody in the diner to her, And what sells her is he tells her that Larry's gonna come over here in a second and say something, and I want you to stay with me, and he writes down verbadon that. Larry says, all right, the band's going ready, do you guys want to go? No, it's we want to get out of here now. If we want to stay ahead of the weatherhead And literally she holds up the piece of paper and it says, yeah, if we want to stay ahead of the weather. So that's when you know, they have a they have a nice night together, you know, they they go out. They have a heart t heart. Yeah, Yeah, they connect in a deeper way. And once again we kind of see that because is this the point where they have the snowball fight and like he's trying to explain that he doesn't want kids now he wants lots and lots of kids.

1:02:08 And I think so it all kind of blends together because it's the same same day. Yeah, So he's taken her out and they're walking in the snow and some kids start throwing snowballs, and you know, he starts playing back with them, and we see this repeated and it just gets sadder because at first he's just like, you know, he's. Like, I want to have kids. I just want to have a lot of kids, kids. Just trying to sell it to her completely. Yeah, So that's when he realizes that he really does have feelings for her. So they lay together in bed one night and he knows that the next morning she's going to be gone well, and. She says she'll stay up with him. Yeah, which is then so cool because it hits midnight and she's like, we did it and he's like, no, no, it's not until six of the morning. She's like, you didn't tell me that. I didn't know there were specific rules. He's like, I don't know what the rules are, just learning this as quickly at the same pace as you are.

1:02:50 So he awakens Loan on February second again, and that's when we start to see this change start to form in him. Yeah, because this is where he starts using his knowledge of things to make things better. Or at least to try to try. And that's that's that's a big try is the big word. Because one of the things that made me cry as a teenager watching this was the homeless man who, in the first time he wakes up, is just on the corner baking for change. He doesn't you know, he ignores him like a lot of people. Yeah, he does the pat pat sorry. But now he's like at first it's just he like gave him a shipload of money, yeah, and he's like ah. But then it became he was like, I'm gonna take him out for food. So he feeds him a bunch of food and he dies dies. By the end of the night.

1:03:35 He's he's the first time he finds him is in the back alleys. So then he tries to like take care of him more and and so he finds him. You know, he dies, He feeds him the food. He still dies. He spends time, he still He takes him to the doctor, takes him to the yeah to be looked over, and the lady even says, like, I'm sorry, it was well, it was just his time. So now we're dealing. He goes into the room, though, grabs his chart and says, not today. I do love that line. Sometimes people just die not. Today, Yeah, but but it it. Now we're playing with themes not only of like living every day to the fullest or what have you. Yeah, we're also living with the idea that some things are fake and some things can't be stopped some things that's too late.

1:04:21 Yeah, So he starts testing everything possible. There's a kid that's climbing a tree that falls out of the tree at one point in the day, and he's trying to run up and save him. There's old ladies that have a flat tire in the street. He becomes a hero of the community because he knows exactly where to be at all times. Saves Buster from choking on a stake at one pood and even one of my favorites is he starts taking up hobbies. So like the one of my favorites is he goes to the local piano teacher's house and she's got a student. She's like, well, you know, I'm kind of with somebody, you know, can you come back money. He's like, well, I have a thousand dollars, you know, could you see me out? And she just pushes the kid right out so much. So then once again in the beautiful editing, we see him be shitty at piano and the next day he's better at piano, and then she's like, are you sure you've never had a lesson before?

1:05:03 As he's just starting to like, you're just a really good teacher. Yeah. So he even takes up sculpting ice, and you know he got We see him arrive at the at the Pugsatani festival and he's got coffee for his cameraman and his producer and donuts. Which they're all worried. He's like dying. Yeah, like do you did you get some news from a doctor? Even even to the point where he decides that he's going to embrace the the Groundhog Day and is like, hey, I talked to a buster. You know. He says, we can move over here. We got a better shot. Yeah, He's like, we can get closer, we can get a better shot. He said, yeah. Yeah. He's just he's become friends, yeah, with basically everybody, to the point where when he's walking around he's like the mayor, everybody stopped and saying thank you. He's like, oh, her husband had an issue whatever, Oh the cat was in the tree. All yeah, you know that this that.

1:05:44 So that is when we eventually we get to the last the last day, I guess we what we'll say it spoilers, and he gives a very eloquent speech at Groundhog Day, like moves everyone, and you know they're they're all loving his speech. He's even up on stage giving it for his for the broadcast. And that's when just starts to really take notice of him, especially helping the people with pugs Aatani. So that night she witnesses him playing piano expertly as they go to the Pugsatani celebration dinner. He's sitting on stage just going on to that piano. I mean, it is such a kick ass scene. I love him doing that piano. Yeah, yeah, and is that that's when, if I remember correctly, that's when he's in the auction, you know, the men the auction where they this old school thing. I don't know if anybody ever does that anymore now, but there used to be this thing where you would auction bachelors yep, for dates. You could do it do it with women too, but it always felt more weird, yeah, doing with women where it would be like this bachelor and and sometimes they'd even be just like a merry dude. But that people like. And the idea was whoever bid the most money to charity, you'd go out to dinner with them, and the entire town's calling all on him. But but I forget what was the number?

1:06:47 Do you remember? Like did she say like two thousand dollars and such as such? She had the most amount of money, She like bid this insane amount of money. So now they're on a date that she's paid to go on with him, because he he's the best version of himself. He spent a life, oh man, he spent a lifetime kind of squandering so much and now he's done a lot of living. Yeah, In that same day, over and over learning to play the piano is a great metaphor for learning and growing and becoming a better person. Yeah, and that's exactly what he's doing, the entire the entirety of that latter half of his torment. Yeah. And I mean, and at this event, everybody's stopping him, thanking him for saving Buster's life. He gives Mike, a young Michael Shannon in his film feature debut, WrestleMania tickets.

1:07:35 Oh yeah, yeah to him and his new wife. I mean, he's he's recognized by everybody. So when he goes to this charity auction, they go up and one of my favorite things before we get out of the charity. Auction is Larry goes up. Yes, yes he does, and no one's bidding, and he's so Buster's like, I'll start the bidding at fifty cents and this woman goes. Sold two quotas. So that's when you know he's taken up ice sculpting. So he goes outside, carves her a beautiful ice sculpture while she has her eyes closed, and shows it to her at the end, tells her that no matter what happens, even if he's trapping this loop, wherever, he's happy to finally be with her. Yeah, and they have a great night together. They share a kiss, they go to his room and that's when you know they have this beautiful time together on the bed, just talking and everything, and eventually they both fall asleep. They wake up and we hear I Got you babe.

1:08:25 Yeah, and then. We also hear the DJs going, oh, I can't believe you're playing that song again, and we realize, yeah, it's February third, Yes, the curse is broken. Yes, so he had a very special night in pucks a TONI had a very special night. And that's when you know Rita is the one that turns off the alarm clock, because that's the fake out is we first hear the I Got you babe and it's just him in bed, but then her arm goes over hits the alarm clock, and that's when we know that everything's. All good again. Show don't tell yep. So that's when you know they jump out of bed, run downstairs, and you know, he tells Rita that he wants to live in Pugsatani. He carries her out the front of the gate, which they couldn't open because it was frozen. Fun fact, I'll tell you here in a second again. Yeah, yeah, but it checks out, it gets very cold.

1:09:06 But yeah, basically the movie ends that Phil has has become a new person. He's seen the error of his ways. And also by doing that, has escaped his hell, his own personal health he was trapped in. And what I love about this ending is there's no explanation. We don't know and there shouldn't be. No, that's that's the best part. He did. The curse was lifted when he learned a lesson. Yeah, that lesson I think was to stop wasting your time. Yeah, No, it absolutely is, and I mean were there's so much that we skipped over in regards to all the things that happen. There's so much you can't classic. There's so much to it. But what I've always felt like it was a great example Yeah, of a film. It absolutely it's It's a perfect film. It has so much heart to it has so many moments that you'll laugh at, cry at. I just cannot recommend this movie enough, and that is nineteen ninety three's Groundhog.

1:09:56 One of the finest films and a great example of of the in my opinion, kind of the beginning of Harold Ramis really being forever. Yeah, a massive part of film history. No, absolutely, And so would you like to guess this is? This is the weirdest budget I've come across, by the way, Oh. Is it in shekels? No? Oh is it in rubles? It's estimated with two amounts, and they're pretty wide. From each other. I'm listening fourteen point six to thirty million? Six to thirty could it be like? Do they attribute why they have two numbers? Just says IMDb just has that listed on it, and sodas I think SODA's Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken.

1:10:38 Well, if Wikipedia says it, we know it's true. Yeah, I mean it could be an inflat probably not ingested for inflation. They probably say that if it was. Yeah, that's a that's quite a difference. I mean I could believe both. I could see Harold Ramis. I mean, fourteen million was not nothing back then, even though it was, you know, a little on the low side for a movie with Yeah, yeah, it says fourteen point six to thirty million. Yeah, it just depends on who you ask. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Do you even movie will be right back? Welcome back to do you even. Movie so it opens February fourteenth and nineteen tiney three seven.

1:11:26 AI's Day takes in twelve million, twelve point five and then gross's worldwide seventy one million. It was a hit. Yeah, that and for that time period, a major hit. So some fun things about the film and not so fun. There are exactly thirty eight days depicted in this film, either partially or in full. Okay, Yeah, that sounds about right, because because that's the cruel irony of this movie. Yeah, is it doesn't wear out. It's welcome as it literally is. The point is to be repetitive. You you've heard that meme right that where it's like I want to hear the announce the sequel to Groundhog Day and then just for really groundhog Day. Yeah. Speaking of which, remember when our buddy Robot. My buddy Rob did a I can't remember it was.

1:12:07 I think it was twenty four hours, twelve showings in a row. And he sat through the entire thing. Yeah, and I think you win a prize. You won. I think it was like fifteen movie passes like it was. It was a big deal because you could not sleep, You had to stay awake the entire time. You had to interact because it was like every time need Ryerson was said, you had to say bab Yeah, so I got you babe. You had to sing along with I got you babe. He told me about it, and I'm just like, dude, I couldn't do it. I remember he did that because we were all talking about it in the chat. Yeah. Yeah, He's like, I just want to do for you guys. And I was like, dude, you didn't have to, but that's pretty cool. I was like, if you don't do this, we're not friends. In So, the movie shot on location in Illinois for two weeks. Reshoots and additional scenes that were needed in the film were shot back at the Universal Studios in Los Angeles.

1:12:48 That makes sense. Yeah, the film was. Not filmed in Pugs of Tawney, Pennsylvania, but actually in Woodstock, Illinois, just fifty miles from Bill Murray's hometown of Wilmot, Illinois. There's a small plaque that reads Bill Murray stepped here on the curb where Murray continually steps into a puddle. There is another plaque on the building wall corner that says Ned's corner, where Phil Connors was continually accosted by Ned Ryerson. During the ned scene, the sign for Woodstock Jewelers is clearly seen in the background. Ah's and that makes sense phil in Illinois too because they have pretty intense winters, so you can have that snowy look to it. Because when you think holiday movies, like when you think a Christmas movie, you think snow. But in actuality, in most of the United States and most of the world, yeah, there's really not a ton of snow in December on average. In fact, I think I've talked about this before, but apparently I read this and it could be total bullshit, but I read that Charles Dickens when he was growing up it was just a very cold time period in London or in part of England he grew up in, so there was always snow in December when he was growing up during his formative years. And that's why when he wrote about Christmas there was tons of snow.

1:13:49 It was just it was his interpretation. Well, it was his nostalgia for the holiday. Yeah, and that became everybody's to where we all want a white Christmas, even though we all know, I know, I know, people love to you. Like when I was a kid fifteen feet just don't listen. I had Christmases in New Hampshire where legitimately my dad would be like, they're saying three feet tomorrow, we better go get some milk, and I'd be like three ft in We're in New Hampshire, it's three feet. But I like to look at data I liked. I don't like to rely on my stupid memory that is stupid, except when it comes to apparently Dickens facts, but which I have a lot of. But I remember there being many Christmases where we where we might have gotten a dusting of snow before Christmas, but maybe there was no snow on the ground. I remember, even as a kid going, god, I hope we have snow on the ground at Christmas. So yeah, so but but but my point is that Groundhog's Day is the beginning of February, a time when you really you never know, you might get an ass load of snow like we like here in the Midwest where we are, you know, outside of Dayton, Ohio, the Paris of Ohio. We we got we got a crazy snowstorm and then a crazy cold snap, and now they're saying it's gonna be warm for a few weeks.

1:14:58 But I would not be surprised if we had a couple a big snow. Still. Did we not have snow last year in April? I don't think we had an April. We definitely has a March. We get a lot of snow in March. Used to say lousy Smarch weather. Because well, yeah that sometimes the snow I love being snowed inside, and sometimes I don't. Oh yeah. Does it just depend on if the twins are in the hallway? Could be? Is the problem with the snow for you? Is it that when you see the snow falling, like, the part of you is like it's beautiful like Christmas, and the other party's like read rum no, no, no. The other party is just like, I'm not going to take the snow off the hood of my car. I'm not.

1:15:39 Never shared that pub that's on the record for eg oh it will so. The interiors of Bill Murray's room at The Bed and Breakfast were filmed at an empty warehouse and carry, Illinois. Unlike the scenes for The Bed and Breakfast, the scenes at the piano Teacher's house were filmed inside the actual house in front room as it appears in the film. Nice and That makes sense because there weren't the sequences. There were not very long. Yeah, so boring movie crapcs, especially when you're shooting on thirty five millimeter. The more room you have, the better. It's one of the reasons a lot of mainstream movies now are shooting in legitimate locations is that they don't need twelve foot high ceilings to mount the lights. They don't need a grid anymore. They'd liked it. Yeah, they don't need it. I was just watching a piece about the making of a complete Unknown Bob Dylan's story. Yeah, and that director photography said this was the first film that he shot on this much.

1:16:27 I'm not going to bore you the technical details, but on a camera that's deeply, crazily more sensitive to light. So he was able to film scenes with just light coming in from the window that was actually the sun. And he said that he would use a combination of like a bounce off screen yea, and things like putting a white pillow on the bed somewhat near the actor's face, with a white pillow would shine a little light at his face. For Phil he said it was the craziest thing ever. He's like, I was using maybe two lights in some of these sequences. But that's crazy because you look at his film career, which started with stripap to Kill Two Live Girls, but you look at his career of filming Indiana Jones movies and filming all these incredible films, and even he's like, it's just a whole new world.

1:17:11 Now you can really do just about anything you want. So anyway, my point is all of that to say, since he wasn't like in long drawn out dialogue scenes, I can see them being like, let's just shoot it here. We can put a couple of lights up and just it's not a big part of the movie. So I like that. I think that's cool. In one scene, Connors throws himself from the bell tower of a high building. This building is actually an opera house in Woodstock, Illinois. Local legend has it that a ghost of a young girl haunts the building as a girl once fell off the balcony section inside the opera house and died. Man. Now we're getting a merging of Groundhog Day and Happy death Day right there. The scene where Bill Murray gets out of the news van and talks to the state trooper was filmed on Amstit's is Amstutz Amstutz. Amstitz That sounds right.

1:17:52 Amstet's Expressway under Grand Avenue Overpass just outside downtown Waukegan, Illinois. You can see the Waukegan Business District in some shots they Ampstut's Expressway was also used for the filming of the big chase scene in The Blues Brothers from nineteen eighty Oh Okay, the first and only film directed by Harold Ramis to be PG rated by the MPAA. After directing EDGR rated comedy such as Caddy Shack Vacation, Ramis said he wanted to direct a movie with some slight edge to it, but as also one that would be overall suitable for a family audience. Thus, he insisted for the film any violence, sexual content, profanity would all be very mild to secure the PG rating. Until he decided to go all in on a family film when he made The Ice Storm or Not The Extra Ice Harvest. Sorry, two ice movies. I know, and that's tough.

1:18:33 Danny Rubin said one of the moments that inspired the creation of the story came from after reading the novel Interview with the Vampire, which got him thinking about what it would be like to Live Forever. That's a good point because I love that. When you dig deeper into Vampire Lord. That was one of the first places that the creatives went was they were like, what about the misery of Living Forever? Yeah, Harold Ramis originally wanted Tom Hanks with the lead role, but the sighted against it, saying Hanks was too nice. I couldn't see him in this. No, no, no, he's way too likable, Like, even when he's trying to not be likable, he's hard not to like. Like he plays the villain of the Elvis movie. Basically, Yeah, I still kind of liked him. They had to put a lot of makeup on him to make him evil, and he held his cigar between his two his uh, his middle finger and his ring finger he did, which that drove me crazy. But then I was like, I bet that guy actually did that.

1:19:21 And I genuinely now I'm wondering if Hanks has ever really played like a bad guy. But like, I think, honestly, one of the closest you can get to would be Elvis, But second to that might be him as the sleazy agent in that thing you do. Hmmm. If not that possibly because I can't remember if he's a good. Guy or oh he was a killer and Road to Perdition, that's right. Yeah, he's an assassin, that's right. Oh yeah, I love that movie. And he played an evil CEO in The. Circle, Circle, which I haven't seen but i've heard is good. Now I'm yeah, Now I'm really curious. Yeah. Bill Paxson's in that. I think Harold Ramis considered Chevy Chase, Steve Martin, Robin Williams, Michael Keaton, and John Travolta for the role of Phil Connors, but he considered them as far you nice compared to Bill Murray. Keaton would later co star with Any mcdowon Multiplicity, also directed by Ramis.

1:20:05 I like how Ramis is like, no, no, let's go with Bill. I know him really well, he's a piece shit. Well they didn't talk. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back to Do You Even? Movie. The song that greets Bill Murray every morning, I've Got You Babe, by Sonny and Cher, was in Danny Ruben's original script from the beginning. The song is known for its seemingly endless, repetitive chorus, which mirrors Phil's predicament in the film. Oh, that's a good point. I never thought about that. Chare stated in an interview that fans would send her letters saying they loved the song she made for the movie Groundhog Day, not.

1:20:51 Realizing a hit in like twenty years, Yeah. Not realizing that the song was actually recorded in nineteen sixty five. She also stated that that'll yeah. She stated that the movie helped boost album sales for her due to the interest in the song. I always forget you can't judge share by looks unless you're looking at the painting in her attic. Yeah, you know, God damn right. Harold Ramis incorporated elements of David Letterman and Pat Sajack in the opening scene where Phil does the forecast in the studio. Both were former weathermen who used to perform to launch larger media careers, much like Phil Colner Connor's desires at the movie start. That's a really great because we were even talking about Letterman a little bit earlier. Yeah, that little bit of a mean streak, which which was when Letterman was coming up, was a thing that had launched several careers. Yeah. Ernie Anderson, who was Glardie Yep in Cleveland. One of the reasons he was so famous is because he had this sardonic attitude towards the show itself, which had not really been seen very much. He was doing a live show, and he would come on and be like, Ah, well, tonight's movie it's not good, it's not gonna be a good time.

1:21:51 I mean, honestly, I'd shut it off, and then he used to end. He used to sign off sometimes by saying, like when the camera get closed, he'd be like, just get out of here before they could see the phony Beard Like. He just hated it, and people loved him for it, well, especially in Cleveland. Yeah, so that reminds me of when Bob just had that one broadcast where he just held that candle the entire time. Oh and looked at the camera. Yep, I actually know how he did that. Oh he had a candle, but he also had a piece of incense burning right next to it. That way, it had smoke. That's yeah, Yeah, I'm smart. But our buddy Bob also known as a ghastly ghoul. Yes, he got all kinds of complaints for his very offensive ghastly movie show, which did all kinds of envelope push them. Yep. Yeah, a lot of envelope pushing stuff, incorporating anything from horror films to pornography into music videos. He called it video vaudeville. But one time he decided to do an episode where all he did for thirty five minutes was stare at the camera nothing else, Yeah, just looking at the camera with a candle lighting him.

1:22:49 And he was like, I bet I'll get complaints, and they did. People were like, he's trying to hypnotize us. He's trying to whatever. It's not like Bob was not suggesting he was satanic. So there you have it. Fay Man. Well, the filming the kidnapping Phil scene, Bill Murray spontaneously improvised the line don't drive angry, don't drive angry to cover the fact that the groundhog, which he was holding on his lap, was agitated and trying to escape by climbing over the steering wheel. A moment later, the groundhog bit Murray's hands so badly he had to seek medical treatment. The line would decades later inspire the title for the Nicholas Cage action horror film drive angry. That's funny, Yeah, okay. According to the director hald ramis most of the time. When he tried to explain the scene to Bill Murray, Murray would interrupt him and ask, just tell me good filler, bad Phil.

1:23:31 Okay, smart? I mean that's I mean he knew what he was doing. Yeah. The scene where Phil picks up the alarm clock and slams it on to the floor didn't go his plan. Bill Murray slammed down the clock, but it barely broke, so the crew bashed it with a hammer to give it like the really smashed appearance. Nice. Harold Ramis directed the kids in the snowball fights to hit Bill Murray as hard as they could. Murray responded by throwing snowballs back as hard as he could. That's beautiful. Yeah, that's truly. That makes me happy. All the clocks in the diner are stopped, mirroring Phil Connor's predicament. Oh that's nice. I never noticed that. Ye, yeah, I never noticed that either. Bill Murray was offered a spit bucket for the diner scene where he gorges himself on pastries, but he declined. The Angel food cake in particular caused him to feel sick soon afterwards. I ate a half an Angel food cake by myself once in a moment of grief, I remember that, Well, you weren't there. I wasn't there, but I heard the story. Yeah, yeah, that's that's I mean, that's like Paul Bunyan.

1:24:21 Literally they asked you, is there anything that I can that I can bring you or anything. If a friend of mine had passed away, and I had decided to it is terrible to amuse myself because I was so shattered emotionally. And this was eleven years ago or twelve years ago. Now, I decided that anybody who said if there's anything to do, I would ask them for something. Yeah. And a friend had said, if there's anything you do, let me know, and I said, well, I need a twelve pack of diet Coca and an Angel food cake. And he was like ha, And I was like when can I expect it? Like it would be cool if it was like later today or like right, I have to get off work, and he was like, yeah, I get off at five. I'll I'll be at five thirty. So he came to my house with an a Angel food cake and a pack of diet Coke and I proceeded to sit down with the Angel food cake. I had friends over it, and we were all just kind of it was almost like sitting shive except not, you know, except it was just me and people watching me cry.

1:25:12 But I sat down, opened the angel food cake by myself and started taking handfuls and eating it. And when I ate about half the angel food cake with my hands and was drinking diet coke to wash it down, I then set the cake down said I anybody wants any cake please look look you know it in that in that moment me, it gave me the levity I desperately did because I was grieving so hard. And when people would say, like, do you feel bad about that? I was like, look, how many times is my best friend going to die? Yea how many times? Due I do know, but no. So yeah, that's that's my story of like I'm a terrible person. But at least I didn't I take the snow off the hood of my car.

1:25:56 There you go. When Phil takes the elderly out of the hospital and talks to the nurse, a boy with a broken leg can be seen in the background. This is the same boy who falls out of the tree later in the film, only this time Phil catches him. There's so many things like that in the movie where if you look in the background you see things that are going to be expanded upon later. I love it. Bill Murray and Harold Ramis had both been honorary Grand Marshals for the Groundhog Day celebrations in pugs of Tani, Pensylvania. That makes sense and I would do that too. The groundhog ceremony is depicted as occurring in the center of town, Gobbler's Knob, where the ceremony takes place in real life is rural wooded area about two miles outside of Pugsaawney. Oh yeah, that makes sense. Stephen Tobolowski, Ned the head Ryerson, the insurance agent, was Honorary Grand Marshall in Pugsataani, Pennsylvania, on February second of twenty ten. During his speech on stage, he performed the whistling belly button act, to which he refers to in the film.

1:26:43 Ah That's so good. Filming the scene with Ned, Bill Murray noticed hundreds of spectators who were viewing the activities. He then went to the nearby bakery, ordered five hundred danishes and paid for them himself. He and Tobolowski then distributed them to the grateful onlookers. Oh that's really nice. I like that. Danny Ruben and Harold Ramis wanted to add another ned Ryerson scene at the last minute, so Tobolowski wrote the scene where he rattles off numerous insurance policies. Tobolowski based his character on his own insurance agent. After the movie's release, the agent called Tobolowski to thank him for portraying agents so accurately rather than making fun of them as most movies do. Oh that's really nice. Yeah, I like that. The weather tended to change, and since they were filling all the time from January until spring, they decided to shoot each variation of an outdoor scene back to back on the same day, an example being all five versions of ned Ryerson's encounter on the same day. Damn, so the punch, the groping.

1:27:32 Yeah, it makes sense, you know, just get it all out right then and there. The idea of Phil colin Is reading to Rita Hanson while she sleeps came from Bill Murray. His wife drank too much champagne on their wedding night and fell asleep early, so Murray read aloud to her until he too fell asleep. Oh, that's romantic, ash Man, that's so cute. Bill Murray was undergoing a divorce at the time of filming and was obsessing about the film he would ring Harold Ramis constantly off in in early hours of the morning. Ramus eventually sent screenwriter Daniel Rubin to sit with Murray and iron out all his anxieties, one of the reasons Murray stopped speaking to Ramis for several years. Wow. In the original version the script by Danny Rubin, Phil Connors was already trapped inside Groundhog Day at the start of the story. We joined him on a typical day, with the audience wondering how he knew everything that was going to happen. Harold Ramis promised not to change this aspect of the script, but ultimately decided to do so.

1:28:18 Huh, yeah, I like it better that we establish it. Although it would be interesting to start with the jeopardy scene, to start with him just like knowing all the answers and then he wakes up in it's the same day. That would be interesting, But luckily a lot of storytellers have ran with that concept and done things like that. Yeah. Early drafts, the script explained Phil Connor's weird experience, a disaffected ex lover named Stephanie cast a spell on him to teach him a lesson to make sweet love to groundhogs all over the land. While reading Charles Dickens while covered in shame, it was decided that leaving it out made more magical. Yeah, I would have to agree. I the idea that it's a curse from an ex girlfriend. I mean, at that point, it may as well be a gypsy. Yeah too, you know. Danny Rubens's first draft of the screenplay ended with Phil Connor's waiting on February third to discover Rita Hanson was trapped in a time loop of her own.

1:29:04 I mean, I feel like that would probably overcomplicate things, but that would have been kind of cool interesting. Yeah. Danny Rubin and Harold Ramis both said they avoided exploring the truly dark side of Phil's time lapsing, in which he would commit psychopathic actions without consequences, the examples being homicide, rape, torture, etc. Yeah, that would be a little hard to come back from. Have you seen the meme or the comic that came out, like It's several years ago? That was a Groundhog Day deleted scene of him torturing Ned Ryerson, and then in the very end he's arrested and he's like, I'll see you tomorrow, Ned. Oh my god, dude, it's dark. If I find it, then I'll set it too. Oh. Among the deleted scenes are examples of Phil becoming a trick shot pool genius while predicting the outcomes and points spreads of various sports events, cutting the heads off the ice sculptures, waving at Rita from the street, and her pointedly closing the curtains, and becoming a perfect bowler. The scene where he discusses his repeating problem takes place in the bowling alley, presumably after he bowls in a perfect game and is desperately depressed by it.

1:29:56 I like that. Yeah, that's actually really cool. They're on the blue ray shit. Okay. Originally Phil Connors was supposed to hunt down the groundhog in his lair. However, this was changed since it seemed too much like Caddyshack. Would I would agree? Yeah. When Phil is explaining to Rita his experiences, he says, I have been stabbed, shot, poison, frozen, and so on. These were all methods used by assassins of Russian's mystic Grigory Rasputen, but with the exception of electrocution, we're not seen or done to Phil. This could also has a reference to Ghostbusters two in nineteen eighty nine, in which similar message are named for Vigo the Carpathian. Okay Rita Hanson's favorite drink sweet remooth. This was Harold Ramis's idea because it is his wife's favorite drink. Aw, that's cute.

1:30:36 Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back. Welcome back to Do You Even? Movie? A scene was shot in which Phil destroys his room, slashing pillows, spray panting the walls, et cetera. He also shaves his head, then the camera pull back from his face to show that his hair in the room were all back to normal the next morning, but Harold Ramis had trouble making the dissolving shot match, so the scene was changed to Phil breaking a pencil instead. Shortness Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's brevity. In the encounter between Phil Connors and the annoying insurance man nan Ryerson, Bill Murray was ad libbing when he tells Ned, I don't know where you're headed, but can you call him sick and causes Ned to run away.

1:31:21 I do love that part. In the course of the film, Phil Connors indoors Elizabeth called the Rosses five stages of denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Harold Ramis Danny Rubin actually took Ross's as a model her five Stages of Death and Dying and use it as a template for Bill Murray's progress, which I picked up on one a recent watch. Nice. Yeah, alright. In the final shot, Phil Connors carries Rita Hanson over the gate and then climbs over it. This is because the gate was actually frozen shut. Among the continent and the special features, Harold Ramis states that the original idea was for Phil to live February second for about ten thousand years. Later, he says that Phil probably lived the same day for about ten years. Yeah, that's what I remembered reading that. That makes it a lot less funny. Yeah, that makes it a lot less funny.

1:32:03 And finally, the movie was selected in two thousand and six for preservation in the National Film Registry by the Library of Congress for being culturally, historically and aesthetically significant. I agree with that decision. For once I agree. So what are your final thoughts on nineteen ninety three's Groundhocks Come on? Groundhog Day is a classic? Yeah, I mean that is a by it that should be in your collection. If you don't like this movie, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, it's a great film. I mean I get maybe some people might find him a little too harsh at the beginning, maybe or really get hung up on like how awful he was toward women in the beginning, but like that's kind of the point of the movie, is that he grows, yeah, and he gets better. Yeah. Oh, absolutely, I mean it's absolutely a by it. There's no way that you cannot own this in your collection.

1:32:48 I think what I really have loved about Groundhog's Day on further rewatches is you just get to a point with the movie where you know that everything's gonna happen, Everything's gonna happen. Yeah, but you are still so enthused every time with it because it's just the performance is in it. The overall storytelling method of how we do the edits and how we only see certain amount of days even though ten or ten years is what we're experiencing. Yeah, I mean, it's there's just a magic to this movie. Oh god, yeah, yeah, yeah, and the irony. Like I said earlier, of I could watch it a million times. Yeah, boy howdy. So we always like to end the show with a couple of recommendations. I have two this week, the first one being twenty seventeen's Happy Death Day, currently available to rent on Amazon Prime. A college student must relive the day of her murder over and over again in a loop that will only end only when she discovers the killer's identity.

1:33:45 That movie just gets better and better. One of my favorite moments I need to show Rachel part two. She loved part one. Yeah. One of my favorite moments is it's not much of a spoiler. At the end of the movie. They're sitting in a diner talking and he says like groundhog Day, Yeah, and she goes, what's groundhog Days? Like you've never seen crowdhog? Oh day. It's such a great moment. Yeah. And then the other one I'm gonna give is twenty twenties Palm Springs, currently available on Hulu. Niles and Sarah find themselves stuck in a time loop and living the same day over and over again. They are drawn to each other but certain revelations threaten their budding romance. I really liked that one. I don't know what because I was kind of not super excited for it because I was just like, oh, it's another groundhog Day, go figure, even though I love Happy Death Day. But no, I mean Andy Sandberg in That movie's really good.

1:34:29 I saw that at the drive in during Lockdown's right, Yeah, yeah, and that was a really fun film. I really enjoyed it. And the idea of going through a kind of groundhog dayish thing but with another person is really interesting. Yeah. No, it's super good. What's your recommendation? Good sir, I'm gonna recommend. I mean this one, I freaking love so much and it's so, in my opinion, so underrated. And it's twenty fourteen's Edge of Tomorrow starring Tom Cruise, and I like, you're acting like you didn't know, because you're the one who was like, what about Edge of Tomorrow? I was like, fuck, I love that. You're welcome. But basically, IMDb says, a man fighting in a war against aliens must relive the same day every time he dies until he can find a way to stop their power source. With the help of an elite soldier. That's pretty close to accurate. I mean he's actually playing like a paper pusher. Yeah, who has punishment, is forced to be a soldier to die basically yep. And one of my favorite things is he has to learn to become a soldier, and he convinces this woman, another soldier. He convinces her that it's really happening so that she'll train him by she basically gives him like, if you have this information, it'll be like a password that i'll believe you. Yeah, So as he's learning and stuff, he would like be training, he'd break his arm and she'd be like, that won't heal in time for you to keep training? She pulls a guy he's like, wait, couldn't we just it just shoots him. So there's like all these times where she just murders him without a thought. Yeah, because then he'll wake up the next day. It's really fun, and like I said, it's extremely extremely overrated or underrated or overrated.

1:35:53 So yeah, I couldn't recommend that one enough. I mean, it's such a great flick. A lot of fun, and also insanely violent for thirteen. Yeah, no, it's it's it's super violent. But it's sci fi violent. Yeah. Great Bill Paxton performance too. Yeah yeah, I love that movie. So but yeah, So that's that's my recommendation. Awesome, highly highly recommended. Well would you like to know what we're talking about next. Week on this show? Well, before we do that, okay, would you like to first of all see if we have an emails? I don't believe we do, but I always I always check one more time when the show is recording, just in case nobody loves us. That's that's the end of that. But we are trying something new on the show. We are where occasionally, so when we would record the show. We've been recording the show for every year now, every now and then, you would just off on your little laptop when we were done recording, you would pull up and see if you could find a Ciscle and Ebert you talking about it, And I thought, wouldn't it be cool to listen to that on the show and talk about it. Yeah, so we're gonna test it out, see if you guys like it. We've got Ciskel and Ebert talking about groundhog days and well as as you should. So let's let's give it a listen.

1:37:03 When we come back. Bill Murray as a weather man trapped in a time warp in Groundhog Day. I hope you enjoyed the festivities. Look at that picture quality. I'm so glad that it was. Well, we may catch a break and that blizzard's gonna blow. Right. He was probably gonna never ever predict this Groundhog Day. Yeah, it's it's it's. Basically unhappy that he's been dispatched to puck Satawny, Pennsylvania to cover Groundhog Day. He's the kind of self centered, short tempered he get this that makes life miserable for everyone?

1:37:45 Then something I wonder if he was if he was staring at ciscol the entire time he was saying that. He runs into all the same people and they say all the same thing. Murray is the only one who realizes that time is repeating itself. The groundhog Yeah, didn't we do this yesterday? This is one of the best scenes in the film, as the weather man tries to find sympathy from the locals for his dilemma. What would you do if you were stuck in one place and every day was exactly the same and nothing that he did mattered. Sums it up for me this Miami McDowell, and like everyone else, she can't stand. But since he can live the same day over and over and over again, he can ask people questions one day, you know the answers the next. It's a great seduction technique.

1:38:36 What should we drink to? That almost sounded like Ebert was recommending it. Yeah, go for it. I wrote a ross Meyer movie. Ah the sound is. It's just so wonderful. Crack you drink, jump Ahead, a little bit, a good hearted Babel. It sort of made me think movies like This's a Wonderful Life. Basically, this is a story that plays this is the best version over and over until he finally gets it right. The film starts out as a comedy, ends up as a sort of Babel that Frank Caeper might have directed in it. It's very It's a Wonderful Life coded. In addition to the more spiritual side of the film that also Bill Murray. It was perfectly designed for Bill because he puts down everything all the time in his film, here putting out himself until it doubles back on him.

1:39:29 It's just a good script, the right actor with it, and Ramis does a very nice job. I like it. Wow. Okay, so then there. I guess it was shot in Woodstock, Illinois. But it looks like the town, and it's a wonderful life for some of those towns. I think about that people, and you. Get a real feeling for the fact that their normality is kind of a cure for Murray's big city. That's actually really these guys are pretty good at reviews. Issu. They should really stick to that, you know, they should. They should do that more often. Especially if they're gonna talk about slasher films. I bet they love something. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they're very kind to the slasher.

1:40:10 Movie, especially that That's Silent Deadly Night movie. I bet they love that. Yeah, yeah, shame, shame, shame. So before we get out of here, I do want to mention if you like us checking in with a Ciscle and Hebert whatever possible, let us know if you dig that by emailing us at do you even Movie pod at gmail dot com. You can also go to dooevenmovie dot com for all the information you could ever hope to need. If you're watching us on YouTube, please like the video, comment something, make sure you're subscribed. If you're listening on the podcast. Subscribe, Yeah, Mother Hubbard, give us five stars. We really could use the five stars. Absolutely, So geez, what have you been doing with your life? So anyway, with that all being said, would you like that we'realking about next week? That's what I was about to ask. All right, so we are I think this is a first time or for you too. We are going with twenty ten's Valentine's Day by the great Gary Marshall.

1:40:55 Oh yeah, I don't think I've seen that. This is a anthology or multi story make and Love. It's kind of like an anthology anthology with the multiple people in the in going through Valentine's Day in I want to say, La, Yes, it's. Been a wilsome see it, but I love this movie. Okay, well we're going to be checking that out next week. Yeah sou, But now we're gonna head out. So remember, if you enjoyed the show, subscribe in your favorite podcasting app or on YouTube. We really do appreciate it. You can email us at do You even moviepot at gmail dot com. You can find us Instagram. All that stuff is in the show notes or the description find us but not TikTok but not TikTok we got banned from TikTok before. I still know. All we were posting was the most benign stuff. I think they just knew about you and the car hood in the.

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