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Feb. 18, 2025

Blue Ruin (2013) The Brutality of Revenge

Blue Ruin (2013) The Brutality of Revenge
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Henrique and David take a stark turn into Blue Ruin (2013), Jeremy Saulnier’s independent revenge thriller about an ordinary man catastrophically unprepared for vengeance. Macon Blair plays Dwight Evans, a bearded drifter living in a battered blue Pontiac near the Delaware coast. News that Wade Cleland Jr. will leave prison pulls Dwight back toward Virginia, where an impulsive bathroom killing restarts a family feud and places his estranged sister and her children in danger.
The hosts argue that Blue Ruin strips away the competence and satisfaction common to revenge movies. Dwight forgets his keys at the crime scene, struggles to fire a gun and turns an arrow wound into a harrowing failed self-operation before seeking medical help. Violence arrives quickly, messily and without heroic release. Long, patient images keep attention on Blair’s fear and improvisation, making each decision feel like something a desperate person might actually attempt rather than a polished action set piece.
As Dwight learns that the story behind his parents’ deaths is more complicated than he believed, retaliation becomes a cycle sustained by whichever person holds the weapon. His old friend Ben Gaffney provides firearms, training and blunt warnings but refuses to join the feud. The final confrontation reveals a blood relationship that allows one younger Cleland to walk away, yet Dwight’s effort to end the violence still costs him his life. The hosts praise the closing family photographs and Dwight’s repeated assurance that the car keys are waiting outside.
Production discussion traces Saulnier and Blair’s friendship from Murder Party through a project they feared might be their final film. Crowdfunding, personal savings and location work in Virginia and Delaware helped turn a modest production into the breakthrough that launched both careers. Henrique and David examine the title’s reference to Dwight’s ruined blue Pontiac, the affordable still-photography lenses, practical arrow effect, cramped handheld bathroom scene and carefully staged low-budget lighting that make the film look far larger than its resources.
Henrique remembers following the crowdfunding campaign as a fellow microbudget filmmaker, while David describes discovering a revenge film unlike the genre examples he knew. They celebrate Saulnier’s later Green Room and Blair’s expansion into major acting and directing work, but keep returning to Blue Ruin’s restraint. Both rate it a buy for viewers interested in realistic violence, failed masculinity, inherited family conflict, American independent filmmaking and revenge stories that treat consequences—not triumph—as the unavoidable destination.
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just thought you should be somewhere safe when you found

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out everything's fine. You'll be fine.

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you here for a little.

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While and like you breathed.

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In a world where podcasts reign supreme. Two friends dare

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to ask?

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Do you even?

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Movie?

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Hosted by filmmaker Enrique Kuto and movie aficionado David Denier.

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Spoiler alert, So David, so, hen, how's the Lonely Hearts Club?

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Lonely and heartful? What does that mean?

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I don't even know.

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That's good.

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That's good.

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It's best that it be ambiguous.

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Ambiguous are empty at this point?

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Well, that got fucking dark. Yeah you're welcome. Yeah, great job, great,

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good way to go with the movie Tonight though, well,

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I mean Tonight's movie is a story about true love

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and where it'll take you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, that's it. I mean, it is, it is,

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so it is. But yeah, but before we talk about that, geez,

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we just saw love hurts, Yes, we did, which you know,

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I mean, we're recording this right before actual Valentine's Day. Yeah,

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and uh yeah, there were a lot of couples at

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the theater in line there was, and none of them

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for Companion. It looked like, yeah, they were all going

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to Companion. Yeah, a lot of really young folks.

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Which I think honestly that I think we've seen every

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single Valentine's Day available in theaters now because we've seen Companion,

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Hard Eyes and Love Hurts.

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Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah, yeah. So as far

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as Love Hurts goes action comedy, absolutely in theory, romance

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is somewhat. Yes.

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Uh I. My biggest issue with Love Hurts was it

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the title. The title made sense, but the romance aspect

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of it did not. It didn't hit I would say,

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oh yeah, I didn't think.

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So, Oh hateful Dave.

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You've said the same thing in the car, what are

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you talk about?

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Well, no, my problem with Love Hurts and I hate

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being harsh, but the whole film came off as really

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really half baked, unbalanced. Well I mean totally exactly, like

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what happens when something's half baked, Like some of it's

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all mushy and still whatever, and then the other parts

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splengy and nice. Yeah, it didn't seem like it was

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very comfortable being a comedy or an action movie and

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infinitely uncomfortable being a romance story. Entirely zero chemistry between

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the lead and his romantic interest, although it's not like

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they had a chance. They were like the room together

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like three times. And yeah, there's not a lot going

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on there.

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I mean, it's basically that the classic story of you

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don't know who you're messing with again, but at the

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same time, like it's it's a story we've seen a

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thousand times before.

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Well, but but this version is a little different. Like

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he's not hiding because he's a former hit man. Yeah,

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but he's not like hiding from the people he used

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to work with. They know that he's out. Yeah, they

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let him, they leave or whatever his life. Yeah, but uh,

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he gets dragged back in because the woman he loves

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was he was ordered to kill her. Yeah, and although

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I guess they weren't.

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Dating, they weren't dating. There was just ever in love

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with really any hints of romance. It was basically that

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he let her go spoiler alert, he let her go.

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Oh that's like we already we know that pretty much

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immediately he let her go.

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I mean, you really can't spoil the movie except for

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like the one death that actually affected us.

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it being kind of half baked, Like it's kind of

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like you ever listen to interviews where Jackie Chan says,

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like what movies he says no to? It's very much

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the kind of movie Jackie Chan would say no to. Yeah,

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Jackie Chan often says like, I don't want movies that

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are overly violent. I don't want movies that are overly

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you know, like they're overly violent, too much murder or whatever,

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too much base.

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I think he says, for the most part, like murder

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for murder's sake, like there's no there, like it's just

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basically just up a body count.

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for the most part, if anybody dies, it's a big

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deal in a Jackie Chan movie. Aside from like that

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movie where he played the villain or whatever, those are

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very different. We're talking for The Foreigner, which I liked

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The Foreigner. It was good, it was dark, it was

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cool seeing him play a villain, but he was a

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but he was also like a for lack of a

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better term of righteous villain. Yeah, he had been horribly wronged.

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His daughter I believe had been killed. Yeah, and he

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was basically on a war path for vengeance. Yeah. That

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was self destructive on purpose. Yeah, and he knew it.

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And it's not a It wasn't a surprise to the audience.

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No, And it really wasn't an action film either. Had

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action sequences.

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Yeah no, no, I mean it has a few stunt scenes there.

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But with Love hurts. I wanted to like it a ton,

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but it felt like the components they had were sparks.

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They were just like, we want what's his name of

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the actor. They wanted him to star in an action movie,

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and they wanted him to be a badass. And then

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and they got a well known stunt fight coordinator to

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be the director for his feature film debut, guy by

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the name of Jonathan I don't know. But so you

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have Ti Kwang and he's this kind of dorky average guy,

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which he's really great at playing. I mean, I mean,

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I mean he this is like the this is the

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worst thing we're gonna get from everything everywhere, all at

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once being a hit. Yeah, and I mean that with

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love because everything everywhere at once was amazing, and it

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showed what an incredible actor he was. It showed how

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endearing he could be and what rain she could have.

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But then you watch love Hurts, and I guess the

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biggest problem, if I had to really dig into my psyche,

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would be the love interest is very unlikable because the

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whole concept is that she was allowed to not get assassinated,

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and then what does she do? She comes back a

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while later and shows up in his life. Is like,

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I can't keep hiding and you shouldn't hide from your

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brother either, money and she wants to money. Although there's

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more to it, well kind of, but but what ends

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up happening is she shows up in his life and

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literally starts, and it starts just ruining people's lives unrelated.

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There's an immense amount of very being degrees of collateral damage.

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Some are we're very out of place in a comedy.

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It was one of those movies where you you have

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amazing action sequences. I mean, some of those fights are

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are incredible and insanely brutal, but then your murder count

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for like actual like main characters is like two.

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Yeah, and only the characters that are nice yeah, like

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only the characters that literally did nothing.

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Our villain spoilers technically doesn't get murdered on screen at least.

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Yeah. Well, from the way the first fight scene, when

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I assumed just nobody was gonna get murdered, that was

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gonna be one of those, which is very Jackie Chan

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asked that, like, you just don't kill anybody. But then

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so then this whole thing where his love interest is

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like I want the real you to come out or whatever,

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and then she's so happy when he starts.

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Like becoming vicious, well because he.

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Kills like Henchman, yeah toward the end, and she's like

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so happy, and I'm all thinking, is like I thought

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that our whole his whole character development was that that

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was bad. Yeah, and he hated that, but now it's like,

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I'm so glad you're back, Like that's who I needed,

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the vicious murderer. She Yeah, she was, cause she came

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off really unlikable because all she did was show up

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at wreck everything.

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No, I agree. I think my biggest issue with it

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was it just it didn't feel like it really ever

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gave us anything that we didn't get in like the

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first ten minutes.

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Well, and if they wanted to to get that across

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in a way that was a little bit more entertaining. Yeah,

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they could have had it be one sided, like he's

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really in love with her and she's callous. That could

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have been a good like growth moment if it was like,

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you know, he realizes, like you don't care about me

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very much, do you? But no, it's supposed to be

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a love story. They're supposed to actually be in love. Yeah,

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And all I could think the whole movie was, man,

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his life was so great. He like I remember about

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halfway through the film when is because his brother turns

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out his brother again not a big spoiler. His brother

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is the person who's like, uh running yeah, knuckles, he's

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running the organization he used to work at. Once you

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start to see what's going on and all this, my

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first thought was, really, like, man, this like our main character.

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He would have been. He would have had such a good

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life if you just murdered that woman probably and apparently

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he had killed dozens before as a hitman. Well.

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That was the thing too, was you had so many

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different main villains to stack up to your actual top dog,

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and it was just and I didn't have an issue

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with that in regards of just like learning who those

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people were. But it was just like they amounted to nothing.

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They were just they were just names for.

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The most part. I mean we had a few that

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got some development, but that.

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Everybody was against everybody, like.

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Yeah, it wasn't a terrible movie. Yeah it was a

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fun time.

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Eighty eighty two eighty three minutes. You mean you're you're

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in and out for one.

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Yeah, but I could, I could definitely understand why audiences

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were not coming to see Love Hurts in the theater.

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They were there to see companions like you.

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And I said, it's a movie where you can definitely

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tell studio involvement heavily, because I don't think an eighty

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three minute movie was the original idea.

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I mean, have been Mitos in.

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Do You Even? Movie? Will be right back, welcome back

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to Do You Even?

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Movie.

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The other thing was that there was a lot of

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moments that were predicated by voiceover, which made me feel

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like maybe the movie was a big mess and they

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were trying to make it make sense.

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Yeah, and not just one voiceover, multiple character voiceovers.

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It was just him and the woman.

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There was Knuckles had a couple two.

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Oh okay, no, no, you're right right, he did. Yeah,

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but they were kind of he was like in a

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room with somebody. It didn't feel quite as like as

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opposed to like the leading man and the leading lady

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were like laying in bed, and it's just kind of

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it felt more like a voice over as opposed to

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like a monologue.

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Genuinely, I would have probably probably enjoyed it just a

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little bit more if the first ten minutes would have

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been him telling the story that we kind of saw

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spread throughout the movie. I think if we would have

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been like, you know, I like I used to do

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this blah blah blah blah, and like go through all

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his run ins and everything like that, and then it's

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just like, but now I live this quiet life.

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Well, I think that what they were going for was

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the like you find out as we go and I don't.

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I think because he's so likable and because he seemed

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to be a legitimately changed person, because that's the other thing.

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It wasn't like those other you don't know you're messing

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with movies where it's like, oh, the like the badness

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was always still in me and it always wanted to

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get out. Yeah, Like there was never a moment when

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he was working as a mild manner real estate agent

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where like he like resisted the urge to like punch

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somebody or like or like tackled somebody and like or

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or got even got or even raised his voice.

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Shit, I just realized something. The big death that we've

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already that we talked about, we're not gonna spoil. But

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the other one is the the the realtor dude.

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Yeah, he's barely in the movie at all, and all

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he does is try to help. Yeah, and not only

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try to help, he tries to help like his number

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one competitor. So he's literally like not a jerk at all.

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Well and not only that though, like.

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And I'm not even sent sure he was a property brother.

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And he dies like really violently.

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Yeah no, he absolutely does. We actually see you inside

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his head.

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Yeah yeah, he gets his brains blown out. Meanwhile, like

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the killers who are like, you know, just NonStop killers,

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get like a lot of love. I don't know, maybe Scott,

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it totally was a property brother. I'm not familiar with.

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Property brothers are a reality show. It's it's two twin

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brothers that sell realty. Drew Scott that was one of them.

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Oh, that's funny.

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Yeah, but since we you know, love hurts what it's fine.

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But we could also talk about the movie that we

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really did enjoy this past weekend.

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Oh oh, I think you're saying Happiness.

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I haven't watched it in a while.

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Well, Valentine's Day is right around the corner. I gotta

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get that criteria Blue Rays at that point. Yeah, you do. No,

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we did four K. I think we did check out

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Hard Eyes, which was a really fun Valentine's Day horror movie.

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Done by Josh Rubens, who, if you're not familiar with

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the name, he is the man who gave us so far.

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Scare Me and Where Wolves Within?

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Yes, two very good movies in my opinion. Scare Me

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was is his best film to this day.

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It's kind of neck and neck with me for Where

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Was Within? Because Where Was Within? That twist, like I

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texted you when it happened. Yea, I know, it's that's

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so good.

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No, it was great. It's just Scare Me. There was

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something about the honest simplicity.

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Of telling stories.

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It's literally a guy and a girl in a cabin

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and they're both writers, yeah, who are vaguely competitive with

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each other. Yeah, And they end up just trying to

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scare each other by telling them a story that they're developing,

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which I thought was the friggin' coolest concept and and

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I loved it. I absolutely adored it. But nothing against

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Werewolves Within or Hard Eyes. They were both really fun.

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Hard Eyes. I was very surprised to find myself feeling

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like was very influenced by early two thousands and slasher movies. Yeah,

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there's no there's no doubt. Yeah, and not just Valentine,

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which is kind of the obvious comparison, but it was

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similar to Valentine in a lot of ways, but but

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also it was very It reminded me a lot of

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like Black X Meus. It reminded me of Sorority Row, Yeah,

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where it had this very slick look to it, which

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is nothing wrong with that. The characters were all a

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little caddy, like a little extra caddy, and like to

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where it was like, if you dialed it a little

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bit more, it would be unbelievable. But they always reeled

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it in just in time, just when you thought like, oh,

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this person's a caricature of a person, and then they would

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do something and be like, Okay, no, I believe that

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they're real aside from like a few of the sillier

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slasher victims, but I mean a lot of slasher victims

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are going to be relatively one dimensional.

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And going to Hard Eyes. The overall design of the

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Hard Eyes killer I thought was really cool. I thought,

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just creating that character, creating that slasher film, and then

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we live in this slasher film now where this character

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has been killing people for years now, yes on Valentine's Day.

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I just I love the concept of it. But I

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think what I really liked about Hard Eyes most was,

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you know, we go from Love Hurts that had very

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bad chemistry. Hard Eyes had really good chemistry between the

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two leads.

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Yeah, they know they had. They had great chemistry to

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the point where it almost pissed you off. Yeah, Like

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they were just they were so likable. And that's kind

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of the thing that made me love it even more,

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is it? It kind of in a twisted way, works

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as a rom com y. It definitely works as a

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slasher movie, and it works as kind of a comedy

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as well. It works as all three simultaneously, and the

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only one that loses out the most is rom Com,

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which makes sense because rom Com doesn't merge very well

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with horror.

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And I'm seen a bunch of people commenting that I

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had too much rom comment it for them.

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I without spoiling. Yeah, it had some very ballsy choices.

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Yeah that I loved. It had moves where it did

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not give you what you what horror fans would expect,

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which I think is what they deserve is to not

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be given exactly what they're always expecting.

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Again and again, I think the key too was they

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gave us a lot of red herrings, which kept us

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wanting to guess who the killer was throughout the movie.

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Yeah, but the red herrings even were a little winky.

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They were winky. They were winky.

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But at the same time, I didn't call the movie

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like like, I didn't call who the.

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Killer was until probably about like twenty minutes. Well, they

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did that thing where they left you plenty of suspicion,

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but then they made it more complex in order to

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make it pay off better, which I thought was great.

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Well, and also I love the tropes that the romantic

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comedy tropes that they do, like the the the running

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to the train station, airport at airport. Oh yeah, that

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whole fake out was fantastic. Yeah, so no hard Eyes

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was probably one of my top three of the year

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so far, even though we're only in February.

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I was just saying, so, what are your other three,

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because we've only seen like six movies for the handing

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to Flight Risk. Flight Risk was so much fun. Yeah,

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Companion bar none though, top Valentine's Day movie, and it

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will be in the box office as well. I mean

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it already is pretty much but Hard Eyes a ton

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of fun and I would love to see it do better.

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It's right now not doing great. Maybe maybe it'll up

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swing during Valentine's Day, who knows. But it's funny though,

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because you could say, like, well, it's not gonna up

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swing a Valentine's Day because you know what, you know,

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it's such a guy movie. I mean, it's all slasher,

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bloody and stuff. It's like, no, no, the girls want

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to take their guys to see the movie about the

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sex robot murdering everybody. You see what I mean. It's

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kind of funny.

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I'm just happy that we have the holiday like horror

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in two of them in theaters this year. Basically, Yeah,

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we haven't had that in a while.

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Yeah, we really have, especially on Valentine' Day. Well, I

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feel like it's been tried, and I mean even my

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Bloody Valentine. I mean that was a long time ago.

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Then the remake did not pull big numbers. I don't

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think it might have might have.

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I think the three D really killed it, actually.

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I mean I saw it in three D and n

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D opening night. Yeah, now I'm curious, but uh, my

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point is really, my main point is I would like

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it to do well because, and this is something a

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lot of my friends, especially my horror fan friends, don't

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want to hear. Slasher movies don't do well in the

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box I know, and haven't for for quite a while

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unless it's literally Halloween or pretty much just Halloween Halloween.

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I mean it's it's a big pull for that name obviously.

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Yeah.

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No, no, that doesn't mean horror movies haven't been pulling.

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I mean a lot of what Blumhouse has come up with,

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especially now what Neon has come up with. But like

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the biggest slasher hit we've had in a while that

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wasn't an immediate remake or whatever was what was that movie?

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The one where we followed the killer the whole time. Oh,

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violent nature, violent nature in a violent nature. It did

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pretty well I liked it. It was fine. It was a

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fun one. It wasn't it was thought.

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Out really well, it was fine.

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I didn't love the ending. Yeah, but but that being said,

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man salty Dave is here.

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I really wanted to like in a violent nature, but

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I was I got bored after a bit.

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There were parts that were kind of boring, and I mean,

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for me, you know, it gets a little harsh watching

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people die horribly. Oh yeah, My Bloody Valentine three D

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was a huge hit. I thought one hundred million dollars

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against a fourteen million dollar budget. I thought it was big, good, good, Well,

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and yet it didn't get a sequel, which is a

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real change. Yeah why not?

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Oh yeah, yeah, well you know the story with the

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ending of My Blood Valentine knowing you oh, there were

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five different ending shot and they didn't tell the actors

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which one they were going to use, so they didn't

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know who the killer was gonna be.

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Well, I mean it's kind of like how Scream. They

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didn't release the last three pages till like the last

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possible second. Yeah.

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Well that's because the fucking script got leaked so much.

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Yeah, well, and scripts were getting that was the the

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internet was fresh yep. So it was like the Usenet groups, yep,

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use net.

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Do you even movie? Will be right back, welcome back

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to do you even movie?

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No. So I mean, unfortunately, like slasher movies just haven't

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been able to really kick Now, then you could say,

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like what about Terrifier three and Terrifier two, Sure, but

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those are like circumstances well they're they're outliers. And but

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here's the problem with that, and the reason I'm kind

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of like, damn, I wish slasher movies would would get

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that little resurgent boost is when a when a real

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deal hit happens in a genre, that genre tends to

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become the genre, not the movies tend to become really popular. Yeah.

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So with Terrifier two doing really well and then three

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doing really well, it really was like Terrifier two's huge

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success really just made Terrifier three a huge success. It

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didn't cause a boom of slasher movies, like like conjuring

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caused a boom of ghost movies, paramoral activity caused a

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boom of found footage ghost movies, supernatural movies. We haven't

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had that. Like I was hoping when the first Halloween hit,

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I was like, I hope. We just get a friggin

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ton of slasher movies, and we had a few try,

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like like health ast and stuff, and none of them

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really hit big. So that's where it gets really tough,

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because I try to see all of this stuff even

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if I if I wouldn't be that that into it. Yeah,

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And one of the reasons that, like, I'm first in

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line to see the Terrifier movies even though they're not

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exactly my favorite thing, is because I want to see

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more stuff like that in the theater. I want to

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support it. I love it, I love I love what

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it's doing almost as much, if not more than I

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love exactly what it is, which is also fine. So

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I don't know. I would love for Hard Eyes to

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have been a huge hit. And maybe it'll get an upswing,

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maybe it'll get good word of mouth.

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It'll probably I bet it'll probably get a lot more

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attention on bod obviously, but I don't, I don't.

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I just don't know.

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I don't know where theater audiences are right now.

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I mean, it's a tricky time for theater movies anyway. Like,

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I'm really curious if that new Blumhouse movie, what was

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it called The drop, Drop Drop. I'm really curious how

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that'll do. It's not a slasher movie, but it's a

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horror thriller kind of thing. But I think it looks

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like the kind of thing people would really go out

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and see. So I don't know. But but unfortunately, it's

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like with with something like hard Eyes. I'm not hearing

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a ton of people rave about it on my social media.

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I've seen a few, I mean too, just.

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A few, unfortunately, and I'm shocked I'm not seeing more

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of especially you know, my friends and stuff.

466
00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:18.400
I've seen a lot of positive reuse hoord on letterbox

467
00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:20.480
at least, so I mean people are definitely seeing it.

468
00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:22.119
But yeah, I think I think it's one of those

469
00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:24.519
movies that the core audience is obviously going to go

470
00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:26.200
see it in theaters. But I think at this point,

471
00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:29.319
I don't know where the audience is for most movie

472
00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:31.039
theaters because I mean, like just for night, when we

473
00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:32.759
went to go see Love Hurts, we were shocked at

474
00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:34.680
how many were they were there to go see Companion.

475
00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:36.400
Yeah, because we were waiting in line at the snack

476
00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:38.319
counter and there was a giant line and as people

477
00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:39.759
were leaving, I was watching where they were going they

478
00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:41.640
were all going right into the eight o'clock or the Yeah,

479
00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:42.720
the eight o'clock companion.

480
00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:43.440
Yeah.

481
00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:46.720
So and that's good. Oh, it's great. I love that. Yeah,

482
00:23:46.759 --> 00:23:49.000
and and and this twenty twenty four was a good

483
00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:51.119
year for horror and yet Immaculate you had the first

484
00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:54.119
omen they all did pretty good. I mean there were

485
00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:55.799
there were a ton and then I mean Late Now

486
00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:59.279
with the Devil did really well in theaters. Yeah, long Legs, Maxine,

487
00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:02.000
they were all but and Maximum would be the closest

488
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:03.640
thing to a slasher movie, but it really wasn't a

489
00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:05.640
slasher movie. But again, but it's also a part three Yeah,

490
00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:08.640
so it also has that also gets tricky with it too.

491
00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:11.519
X would be a good example of a slasher. But

492
00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:13.079
that one I think was the lowest.

493
00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:14.039
Performing of the thing, I think.

494
00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:18.279
Yeah, So it makes me wonder sometimes before we, you know,

495
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:20.559
we get to the topic at hand. It makes me

496
00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:24.880
wonder sometimes if if the issue is horror fans aren't

497
00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:27.319
going out to theaters to support, or if the issue

498
00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:29.559
is that there just aren't that many die hard horror

499
00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:32.480
fans to begin with, I mean enough to make a

500
00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:37.559
movie a forty five thousand dollars hit. I mean Abigail. Yeah,

501
00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:38.880
you know, should have been a hit.

502
00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:41.000
I think, honestly one of the biggest issues. And I

503
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:42.839
run into this with my roommate, not to throw shade

504
00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:46.359
to him, but people don't watch movies a lot anymore.

505
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.279
Like I hate saying it that way, but a lot

506
00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:51.240
of people are watching like web based content, influencers and

507
00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:53.839
stuff like that. I'm I'm just telling you, Like it

508
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.240
seems like that is kind of a trend somewhat that

509
00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:56.759
I'm seeing.

510
00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:59.640
But what we had big box office movies.

511
00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:01.680
We did, Yeah, But at the same time, I think,

512
00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:04.160
I don't know, I think it just doesn't seem like

513
00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.079
the theaters have gone back to what I remember them

514
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:08.839
as being, or what what you and I used to

515
00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:11.079
see when we would go to like mattineve shows and whatnot,

516
00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:12.799
Like it seemed like there was a decent crowd there

517
00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:14.960
on Tuesdays for a while, and we just haven't seen

518
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:15.519
one in a bit.

519
00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:21.359
So. According to a quick research bit, box office totals

520
00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:24.559
in twenty twenty four were eight point five six billion dollars,

521
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:30.000
down four percent from twenty twenty three. I'm not having

522
00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:33.319
an easy time finding like anything else, like like the

523
00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:35.799
like a whole list of of them. But I don't

524
00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:38.400
think that that people going to the theaters is down

525
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:41.519
that much. I mean, granted, we're still recovering from COVID,

526
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.799
but I mean, but we were having slasher movies. But

527
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:47.480
I mean, Hellfest was way before COVID, way before COVID,

528
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:49.039
and it just didn't and I thought that was a

529
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:50.160
fucking blast.

530
00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:52.160
But I mean, I do remember our theater for health

531
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:53.960
Fest seemed pretty packed though too when we went to

532
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:55.799
see it. So I mean that's the thing, is like,

533
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:58.519
I feel like it's, you know, the biggest draw for

534
00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:02.759
while we're Marvel movies, and now everybody's burned out. I

535
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:04.839
don't I don't know a single person that is going

536
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:06.799
to see Captain America this Friday.

537
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:09.559
I mean yeah, but I I mean, and it made

538
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:13.039
it very well bombed yea and health healthest because I

539
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:14.640
don't want to sound like a picking on. It did

540
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:17.599
a respectable eighteen million against a five million dollar budget,

541
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:22.599
but it likely spent advertising five to ten million on advertising,

542
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:25.359
and that is often a problem you have with those

543
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:28.759
those films. That's why the Blumhouse method of generally often

544
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:32.720
making them very cheap and then promoting them efficiently is

545
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.640
supposed to be like the big you know, the Big Way,

546
00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:38.640
But that's kind of my point is like it seems

547
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:42.279
like for a die hard like slasher horror movie, it's

548
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:45.000
very hard to cross a twenty million dollar box office.

549
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.119
So that's why I'm saying, I wonder if there just

550
00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:51.559
aren't enough diehards for that kind of content, because we

551
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.200
know what kind of horror is somewhat hot, and last

552
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:56.640
year it did change a lot, but it didn't it

553
00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:01.640
didn't change towards like a movie like Late Night with

554
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:05.240
the Devil doing forty million. It had Late Night with

555
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:07.000
the Devil doing like I don't know exactly how much,

556
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:10.279
but you know, many millions, yeah, against a very low budget,

557
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.000
And that's what we're seeing a lot of which I

558
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:14.519
like that. I like the idea of like cheaper movies,

559
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:17.559
but plenty of them in the theaters, lots of opportunities.

560
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.160
But I wonder if it's just what I'm really saying,

561
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:26.039
is I wonder if the studios are in denial that

562
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:28.920
you should make such an you should make an expensive

563
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:31.440
slasher movie and it'll make even more money. It could be.

564
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:33.839
That's kind of what I'm getting at, because there's nothing

565
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.680
wrong with making a movie that fits a niche that

566
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:39.200
an audience will come out and see. But like hard,

567
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:42.839
I is making eight million dollars in its first roughly

568
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:47.039
first week against an eighteen million dollar budget. Yeah, that's rough.

569
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:50.200
It's rough. That's that's really rough. And I hate to

570
00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:52.240
see it because it was a really friggin fun movie.

571
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:54.640
Oh no, yeah, yeah, first week. Sorry, I just saw

572
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:56.680
the release date and I forgot what day of the

573
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:58.039
week it is. When we're reading this.

574
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:00.400
Well and I think too it goes. That's saying that

575
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.000
we're also seeing a lot of success with the Legacy pictures,

576
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.799
from the Legacy sequels to the new you know breakofs of.

577
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:08.799
Those I mean only for the Last Forever.

578
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:10.519
Yeah, I mean, I know what you're saying, but yeah,

579
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:12.319
that's what I'm saying. Like there's that's where a lot

580
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:14.960
of the audience is going is to those familiar, familiar

581
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:16.680
characters and stories and whatnot.

582
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:19.880
But we're like in the post remake remakes. We're in

583
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:24.720
the remakes that try a little harder to be appealing

584
00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:28.200
to the fans, which I like, Like I love David

585
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:32.079
Gordon Green's Halloweens including ends Fight Me, I don't care.

586
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:33.920
But you and me both I know, I know you do. Yeah,

587
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.720
it's just there's secretly another person in the room. They're listening,

588
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:40.680
they're watching. But I love those I thought those were

589
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:43.599
super fun. I thought what they tried to do with Exorcists,

590
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:48.160
with the New Exorcists, it was Yeah, I mean I

591
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:49.920
thought what they were trying to do with it was interesting.

592
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:53.920
I think it just didn't quite have the well but

593
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:56.759
I but you know, David Gordon Green was clearly very

594
00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:01.160
very inspired when he made the first time Halloween. That

595
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:03.519
that he did, I mean, like super inspired, and that

596
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.200
inspiration carried the three movies, even when three had to

597
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:09.519
change a ton because of COVID and everything. So I

598
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:11.200
don't know. My point is, like I would love to

599
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.599
see a slasher movie just clean up at the box office. Yeah,

600
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.640
and and I wouldn't even care. But like if Hard Eyes,

601
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:20.240
just for context, Hard Eyes was awesome, but if it

602
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:21.920
had been made and I'm not saying they could have

603
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:24.279
made the exact same movie for like four million dollars,

604
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:26.440
but if they made it for four million dollars, it

605
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:28.240
would be on its way to being a hit right now.

606
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:31.799
And while it was an awesome movie, to look at

607
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:33.200
and had a lot of great moments. There is a

608
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:36.880
part of me that's like, why did it cost so much? Yeah,

609
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:38.599
And and on the other side, like I also want

610
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:40.279
to make it very clear, like Josh Ruben is a

611
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:43.640
freaking baller director, and I hope he got a fat

612
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.960
paycheck and didn't take too many points on the on the.

613
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:48.880
Back, especially since the house that he and his wife

614
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:50.920
just bought Paris and those fires before that you moved

615
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:51.400
into it.

616
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:53.240
Oh fuck, I'm so sorry to hear that.

617
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:54.839
Yeah, there's a whole crowdfunting campaign.

618
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:59.119
Man, I didn't know that. Yeah, well damn. Way to

619
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:00.799
keep the positive activity, Dave.

620
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.680
But yeah, but my wrap up on that is I

621
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.960
really hope that more people do find hard eyes. It's

622
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:12.440
if you are a lover of Valentine, Sorority Row, House

623
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:14.559
of Wax, thirteen Ghosts, Cost Ship, any of those like

624
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:17.720
early two thousands, those are this is exactly that audience.

625
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.839
Well, the problem is a lot of people are just

626
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:23.599
now starting to come around on how fun those movies were,

627
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:28.799
because it was very popular to hate on those movies,

628
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.640
very popular. I remember seeing Sorority Row at the Dan

629
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:35.440
Barry Dollar Saver Rest in Peace and having a blast.

630
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:37.680
I was so mad at myself that I didn't see

631
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.200
it opening weekend because I wanted to support.

632
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:42.240
It opening weekend at the Mayflower when the Mayflower was

633
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:43.000
still open in Troy.

634
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:45.279
Rest in Peace, Mayflower too, Piece Mayflower?

635
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:58.440
Do you even movie? Will be right back? Welcome back

636
00:30:58.519 --> 00:30:59.960
to Do you Even Move?

637
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.359
So? I mean, yeah, the cinema experience has definitely changed

638
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:10.920
a lot. I don't think that people are disinterested in

639
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:12.680
going to the movies, but I do think that they're

640
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.759
They're more interested in the experience, which is why you

641
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:21.279
have Maxine and Long Legs and Terrifyer three being bigger hits.

642
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.599
That's because people are interested in an experience. They're interested

643
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:27.480
in something that they've never seen before, at least to

644
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:28.000
some extent.

645
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:31.400
Well, I mean, and some of those retro screenings, like

646
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:33.880
when they did the eighties Summer eighty four this past year,

647
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.359
and like Last Starfighter, Nightmare and Elm Street, all those

648
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:37.400
those theaters were packed.

649
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:38.799
Some of them are really packed.

650
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:40.960
Yeah, yeah, so I think, yeah, I think there's just

651
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.000
a point to figure out of what do people still

652
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.240
want to see on the big screen and what are

653
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:47.880
they going to just completely skip the big screen four

654
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:49.319
and wait till streaming because.

655
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:51.519
Yeah, well, and and from there there's also a really

656
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:53.799
important point, And this is something I was saying back

657
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:58.519
when people were rallying and crying a river against digital

658
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:03.119
projection over thirty millimeter. You probably remember me saying flat out.

659
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.960
I was like, but theatrical distribution is going to become

660
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:11.880
so accessible. I was talking, like I was commenting on

661
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:15.160
and Andrew Scott's podcast, because and Andrew says, one of

662
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.079
my favorite podcasts if you're an audio nerd, really just

663
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.039
a nerd in general. His podcast is great releases on Sundays.

664
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.319
But I had commented because he was talking about he

665
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:25.880
went to see Terrified three and he had an amazing

666
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:28.480
time and all this stuff. And I commented and said, like,

667
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:32.359
keep in mind that before digital projection and digital theater

668
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:36.759
projection being common, you needed a minimum of around three

669
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.680
thousand dollars to make one film print that could go

670
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.119
around the country. Sometimes way more. You might be able

671
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:43.799
to get the number less, but then you're making hundreds

672
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.839
of them. In the olden days, you know, Roger Corman

673
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.200
would make fifteen prints, and he would start some in

674
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:52.240
la and some in New York and have the meat

675
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.680
in the middle of the country. That was one of

676
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:57.000
his methods. He had other methods too. Sometimes he would

677
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:58.799
just start in mississipp because he knew he'd break in

678
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.440
cash in the drive and then once the cash came

679
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:03.200
and he could make even more prints and he'd expand,

680
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:05.920
and he'd expand, et cetera, et cetera. Well, now I

681
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:10.319
mean we're talking the hard drive isn't even three hundred

682
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:14.079
dollars anymore. No, I mean half the time now their

683
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:17.440
satellite beaming to a lot of the especially if they're

684
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:18.480
not showing four KLL.

685
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.960
What I went to see the revival screening of Signs

686
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.480
of the Lambs that TCM was putting on. They played

687
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:25.160
it off a DVR.

688
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:26.680
Well, that's that's what I mean. That's why I mean,

689
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:28.799
it's being broadcast over south. That's how they do riff tracks.

690
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:30.720
That's how they do and that's how they can do

691
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:32.799
live events. To what they do is that it's it's

692
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:35.160
kind of like how television stations used to work. How

693
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.319
they used to send it over the satellite and they

694
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.519
would just record the satellite stream so that they had

695
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.799
the tape in all these places and then they could

696
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:45.119
air the tape later, it's it's very similar to that.

697
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.039
Hey, nothing will ever be as great as that Breakfast

698
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:48.000
Club screening we went to.

699
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:52.279
Oh god, that was like off a DVD off what's

700
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:54.720
it was so rough? Well, I went to a planes, trains,

701
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.079
and automobile show and I want to say twenty fifteen

702
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.359
or twenty sixteen, and it did not it was not

703
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:00.000
a remass.

704
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.519
Addition, Hey, nothing will beat that time that we were

705
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:04.319
sitting in a theater that I will not name because

706
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.720
they are still in operation today and doing very well.

707
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:08.719
But we went to see a double feature of Halloween

708
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:10.239
and Halloween Too, and I could tell what they were

709
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:13.039
playing because the menu kept recycling and recycling.

710
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.960
I don't even remember. Yeah, oh wait, oh oh that

711
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.840
theater I was under different owners. Yeah it was, but yeah,

712
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:20.599
but I remember that well. I mean, what do you

713
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.559
want I remember one time the drive in? They ever

714
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.039
tell you that story? One time when I was I

715
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.159
was going to the drive in back when my buddy

716
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:31.320
Bill was the manager at the Dixie Twin, and they

717
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:34.480
were showing they were doing like the classic of the

718
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.199
First Friday of October or Last Friday of October or

719
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:41.880
whatever it was, Halloween Evil. It was Lloween change No,

720
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.000
it was Halloween Friday and Nightmare Elm Street. In the

721
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:48.119
second night was Evil Dead Texas Chainsaw and I want

722
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:48.960
to see the Hills have eyes.

723
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.400
I think he was evil at too. I feel like

724
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:51.719
it was evil.

725
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:53.440
Well. They did it a few times too. This was

726
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:56.599
the first time and Bill sent me a text. He

727
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.519
was like, hey, this is probably like this basical sounds silly,

728
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.400
but you have have a copy of Blu Ray of

729
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.599
Evil Dead one, right, yeah? And I was like sure doing.

730
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:07.199
He's like, our DCP hasn't arrived yet and you're coming,

731
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:08.559
right And I was like, oh yeah. He's like, could

732
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.320
you just bring it in case you go? So I

733
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:13.440
brought my copy. They actually showed they showed my copy

734
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.239
on Blu Ray, which, hey, you know, you gotta do

735
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:16.840
what you gotta do.

736
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:19.320
I remember that too, because the screen was doing the

737
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.239
Japanese the credits at the end, and then they had

738
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:25.239
the like it was all that like at the end

739
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:26.159
of the Blue Ray.

740
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:30.280
It's really really funny. But anyway, so my point just

741
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.360
being that, I mean, I still love the cinema experience.

742
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:36.119
I'm like David who hates it now and and I do.

743
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.880
I will say, uh, if you haven't seen Hard Eyes

744
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.199
and you've been putting it off, go see it before

745
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:44.519
it leaves theaters, because it deserves your support. If you

746
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.480
love horror films, and if you love a fun time

747
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:50.559
in the theater, because it And think about the fact

748
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:52.920
that on this very show where I have how many

749
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.000
times talked about how horror comedies just don't work for me,

750
00:35:56.599 --> 00:36:00.880
this one worked pretty damn well. Really, it really so.

751
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:03.239
And that's saying something because, like even Leff Hurts, I

752
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:04.559
was like, this is a little too jokey for how

753
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.519
violent it is. I mean, you know. So Anyway, that

754
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:09.800
was very long when I was gonna say, yeah that

755
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.599
our movie Tonight, Dave Yes, Sir, is a film I

756
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:18.079
had not revisited, possibly since I first saw it on

757
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:19.840
Netflix in twenty fourteen.

758
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:21.400
I think I had. The last time I revisited it

759
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:23.000
was when I bought the Blu rays, and I think

760
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:24.360
that was like about five years ago. I think I

761
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:25.639
bought it during COVID once I.

762
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:26.360
Wish I had bought it.

763
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:27.360
Yeah, that you do.

764
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:30.239
Well, I have a region free player now, so I'll

765
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:31.159
buy it from Germany.

766
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:34.280
But our film Tonight is Blue Ruin from twenty thirteen,

767
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:38.000
one hour and thirty minutes, rated R for strong, bloody

768
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:39.360
violence and language.

769
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:41.159
I would say that's fair.

770
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:44.239
Yeah, I would say so too. I'm synopsis says, a

771
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.079
mysterious outsider's quiet life is turned upside down when he

772
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.760
returns to his childhood home to carry out an active vengeance.

773
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.119
Proving himself an amateur assassin, he winds up in a

774
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:56.280
brutal fight to protect his estrange family. That's a solid description,

775
00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:59.039
my synopsis says. Upon hearing that the murderer of his

776
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:01.559
parents is being released from prison, dwy Evans returns to

777
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.719
his hometown of Virginia to take vengeance, to take vengeance

778
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:07.199
on him, unaware the retaliation could reach his own family.

779
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:09.400
That's pretty good. It's a little too much.

780
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:09.960
That's fair.

781
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.000
I mean, I mean that's constructive criticism.

782
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:14.079
A little too much. Even though the other one has

783
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:15.559
more words than mine.

784
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:17.079
It felt like too much.

785
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:20.880
Taglines include Revenge comes home.

786
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:26.000
The night, the Revenge comes home second. A man with

787
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.159
nothing to lose is a man with nothing to fear.

788
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:29.320
I like that one.

789
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:30.039
That's pretty good.

790
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:33.039
Blue Ruin at This Time is currently available to stream

791
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:37.360
through fowsome Plex, Pluto to B and you can also,

792
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.079
if you're lucky enough, find a old release of it

793
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:42.159
through Anchor Bay on DVD and Blu ray. But it's

794
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:43.000
going to be a bit pricey.

795
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:45.960
Yeah, And I went ahead and bought a digital copy

796
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:48.039
for myself here because I want to make sure I

797
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:49.320
have a digital.

798
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:50.920
Through Fandango at home right now. In the US is

799
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:52.239
eight dollars, so I will say it.

800
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.079
Was eight dollars on Amazon as well.

801
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.199
Okay cool. So director and writer and cinematographer on the

802
00:37:57.199 --> 00:37:59.400
film is Jeremy Solner. He gets to start as writer

803
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.360
and director Murder Party in two thousand and seven, goes

804
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:04.559
on to do Blue Ruin in twenty thirteen, as writer

805
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.480
and director Green Room in twenty fifteen rebel Ridge. He

806
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.920
also is a director on The Killer Speaks in twenty thirteen,

807
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.840
Hold the Dark, an episode of True Detective in twenty nineteen,

808
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:15.679
and he also was the director of photography on Tis Autumn,

809
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:18.679
The Search for Jackie Parris Hamilton in two thousand and six,

810
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:22.280
Murder Party, Putty Hill, Septian, you hurt my feelings in

811
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.519
Our Nature Seagirl run I used to be Darker, and

812
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:27.800
Blue Ruin in twenty thirteen was as last as DP.

813
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.079
Well I mean at that point. I mean Blue Ruin

814
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:35.360
was a big point because his first feature, Murder Party,

815
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.000
I did an entire episode of cutting deep into horror

816
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.360
over Weekly Spooky on It, which is a great episode.

817
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.280
It is because that's a movie I discovered straight up

818
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.320
on a Friday night at Blockbuster when I lived in

819
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:48.039
Jersey and I had not heard of it at all.

820
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:50.480
I just saw that poster. I took it home, and

821
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:52.000
it killed me.

822
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:53.320
I told you that I didn't like it the first

823
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:53.840
I watched it.

824
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:57.119
Right, Yes, I tried to forget that from I.

825
00:38:57.039 --> 00:38:59.519
Bought the DVD from Foye, took it home, was super excited,

826
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:00.920
put it on, and I was just like, this is

827
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:03.039
not at all what I expected it. It's fine. And

828
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:05.920
then I can't remember what caused me to revisit it

829
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:07.360
a couple of years later, and I was like, I'm

830
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:09.239
stupid and wrong and this is amazing.

831
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:11.079
Well, that's another example. That's a horror comedy that I

832
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.000
consider one of my tops. Yeah, of all time, Oh

833
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:16.679
absolutely so. And murder But Murder Party, released by Magnolia

834
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.440
and Magnet Releasing, didn't set the world on fire, but

835
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.440
it had incredible word of mouth. It had the reviews

836
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:25.960
were great. The people who loved it loved it. The

837
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:27.480
people who loved it were obsessed with it.

838
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.119
Lock It was on Netflix for like what six years.

839
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:31.519
On and off it Yeah, because it went away and

840
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:31.840
came back.

841
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:32.599
Yeah.

842
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:35.199
I remember showing it to one of my roommates way

843
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:38.239
back in the day and on Halloween, he had gotten

844
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:40.480
home from work he worked at a restaurant. He got

845
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:41.559
home at like that. I was like, dude, you want

846
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:43.079
to watch murder parties? Like, what the hell's murder party?

847
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:44.679
I was like, just hold on. When it was over,

848
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:46.960
he turned to me, was like, gotta watch that every

849
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.480
fucking Halloween. Man. Like he was shocked how how fun

850
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.559
it was fun? And it holds up every time I

851
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.639
watch it gets better. Very well made movie. But so

852
00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:01.599
with that film having come out in seven, Sawleer had

853
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:05.119
a lot of trouble, you know, kind of finding his way.

854
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.519
I suppose I feel like I remember hearing and you'll

855
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:10.719
you'll probably know this in the trivia that that in

856
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:13.559
a way Blue Ruin was potentially the Swan song. Yeah,

857
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.760
and which I understand because I made I made my

858
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:20.519
Swan song in twenty eleven and then continued, you know,

859
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.400
I'm still making movies to this day, so I respect

860
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:26.440
that feeling though of making a movie that's gonna be

861
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:27.000
your swan song.

862
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:40.039
Absolutely, do You Even movie will be right back, welcome

863
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:41.639
back to Do You Even?

864
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.239
Movie?

865
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:51.559
And Blue Ruin not a very funny movie, very well acted,

866
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:56.559
very well paced, very well shot. It was made right

867
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:01.159
when we went from the DSLR digital camera revolution to

868
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:04.840
having digital cinema cameras. It was shot on the Cannon

869
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.440
C one hundred I believe, or maybe it was C

870
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.719
three hundred, doesn't matter, one of the first cameras that

871
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:14.119
was meant to be like a DSLR like a photography camera, yeah,

872
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.960
but was meant for video so you could use photography lenses,

873
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.760
which were very affordable, and Soallner did shoot it on

874
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.039
photography lenses. I remember because people were shocked. Now great

875
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:26.519
it looked because it was considered shot on lesser equipment,

876
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:29.519
but it got such a huge amount of attention. In

877
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:31.159
part it was because he knew what he was doing

878
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:33.119
to make it look great. It's funny because that was

879
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.039
the camera I was considering when I bought my first

880
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.199
digital cinema camera, but I went Sony in part because

881
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:40.360
it was cheaper. Makes sense a lot cheaper.

882
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.519
Well, I mean, the reason that the movie is effective,

883
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:44.360
and we'll get into this obviously, but the reason the

884
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.559
movie is effective is because it is a beautiful movie.

885
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:49.639
But it's a haunting film, and the imagery is so

886
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.480
beautifully shot, and it's horrible, horrible acts.

887
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:56.039
No, it's and it's very matter of fact. Yeah, it's

888
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:58.639
very realistic. Here we go. Well, and that's the thing.

889
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.639
It's a revenge film that is, in my opinion, like

890
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:05.480
hyper realistic. Yeah, which is scary, and you don't get

891
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.639
a lot of those revenge movies are usually a bit

892
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:12.760
more about satisfaction, although one of the most common tropes

893
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.679
there's an old saying, he who seeks revenge should dive

894
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:17.880
dig two graves. I don't know what that's from. Maybe

895
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:19.440
that's from the Bible. I don't even know.

896
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:21.639
I think it's a I've heard it. I'm a lot

897
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.400
of Westerns, but I don't know.

898
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.880
Well that it might be the Bible. Yeah, a man

899
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:32.360
who seeks revenge Confucius? Honestly, maybe, Well, you know, what,

900
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:36.320
do you have any favorite Confucius? No? My favorite was

901
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:40.000
he who stands on toilet high on pot TM.

902
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.280
What Yeah, pretty solid?

903
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:46.239
Oh yeah, just you got nothing to say.

904
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.440
I mean, I was gonna conso, so it is.

905
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:53.400
A proverb up from confused. Well it's attributed to Confucius,

906
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:57.679
but no one really knows that's fair, but it appears

907
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:58.519
to be Confucions.

908
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.679
But yeah, I mean that's that's a wrong tie to

909
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.719
any vengeance film that's always usually referenced in. And I

910
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:06.320
think that's one thing that attracted me to Blue Ruin

911
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:08.360
when I when I didn't even know really who Solner was.

912
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:10.000
I mean I didn't even know he had Murder Party

913
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:12.079
because I just didn't even really pay attention that much.

914
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:13.679
You got into Murder Party that late.

915
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:16.440
I got into Murder Party when I still lived at home,

916
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.519
and it was a used DVD that I found at

917
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.199
f YE, and it would have had to have been

918
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:24.880
twenty ten, twenty eleven.

919
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:27.960
Wow, Yeah, so right before Blue Rooin.

920
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:31.880
Was because then I don't think, honestly, dude, I don't

921
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:33.639
think I went back to Murder Party till after Blue

922
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:34.679
Ruin now to think about it.

923
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.159
Wow, So yeah, I think I think it took me.

924
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.599
A bit, but yeah, it was, uh, but Blue Ruin

925
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.360
was just it was a different vengeance tale that i'd

926
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.039
seen ever before. I mean because I had not seen

927
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:48.320
like a rolling thunder at that point, because that's a

928
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:51.039
great one. Trying to think of some other vengeance movies

929
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:52.920
that have that kind of tone to them, get Carter's

930
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:54.440
one of them, I would say too, But like it's

931
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:57.719
just it is a true blue vengeance.

932
00:43:57.360 --> 00:43:59.360
Tale, a true blue true brueve.

933
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:00.239
Yeah.

934
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:04.360
Well, and Soalliner they went at and making Blair, who

935
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:06.039
make him Blair? I means were spent. Christ is the

936
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:09.719
launch of his shockingly and I mean this with love, yeah,

937
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.719
because he's a great actor, but like a shockingly good

938
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:13.760
so career.

939
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.679
He actually so making Blair who plays Dwight Evans in

940
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:17.079
the film. He gets a start in two thousand and

941
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:19.559
five on a film called Gretchen, then does Murder Party

942
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:21.840
in two thousand and seven, appears on an episode of SVU,

943
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:24.800
and eight side by each and eight You Hurt My

944
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.719
Feelings twenty eleven, The Man from Orlando, Hellbenders in twenty twelve,

945
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.800
then does Blue Ruin, followed by Green Room in twenty fifteen,

946
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:33.840
Gold in twenty sixteen with Matthew McConaughey.

947
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.599
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is when I started

948
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:37.960
to notice. I was like, yeah, I remember one point

949
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:39.159
he walked into a scene and I was like and

950
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:41.599
I was like, wait, I'm watching a Clon Eastwood movie. Yet.

951
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:44.280
Then he does I Don't Feel at Home in This

952
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.559
World Anymore, which he also directs in twenty seventeen, which

953
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:49.360
is the writer and director on Small Crimes in twenty seventeen,

954
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.920
Into the Who Knows in twenty seventeen, Mustang Island, The

955
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.280
Florida Project, Logan Lucky in twenty seventeen, Yes, Yes, Yes,

956
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:58.760
thunder Road in twenty eighteen, Hold the Dark in twenty eighteen,

957
00:44:58.760 --> 00:44:59.639
which he's a writer on.

958
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:02.280
Oh I didn't know that. That's awesome, Sister.

959
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:04.400
Amy in twenty nineteen, Room one oh four, which he's

960
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.639
writer and director on swamp Thing TV series in twenty nineteen,

961
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:10.480
I Blame Society in twenty twenty, The Hunt in twenty twenty,

962
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.400
I Care a Lot in twenty twenty h than he does,

963
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.639
Oppenheimer in twenty twenty three, Yes, Then Toxic Avenger in

964
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:18.519
twenty twenty four, which hasn't been released.

965
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:20.400
In which he's direct He wrote and directed I Believe.

966
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.159
And he also appeared in Reservation Dogs, Rent, Free the Thicket,

967
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:24.679
and mow Man.

968
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.880
Yeah I Mean incredible and considering that, like when they

969
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:31.239
made Blue Ruin, he was kind of like, well, I've tried. Yeah,

970
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:33.199
I haven't gotten to do much. And now all of

971
00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:36.599
a sudden blowing up in like his late thirties, All

972
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:40.079
of a sudden, he's in Eastwood movies. He's in Christopher

973
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:42.480
Nolan movies. I love it. I remember when he walked

974
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:43.639
in on The Hunt and we were just like.

975
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:44.639
Ohly shit, it's a baking Blair.

976
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:47.199
Yeah, but that one, at least, I mean, but that

977
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:50.440
one was more expected than when he walked down in Oppenheimer. Yah.

978
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:52.360
The Hunt. It's like, yeah, but it's like it's a fun,

979
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.480
kind of lower budget, you know, it's a Blumhouse thing.

980
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.159
I loved seeing him pop up in these like big, oh,

981
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:00.000
major films.

982
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.599
When he appears in the beginning of I Care a

983
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:05.559
Lot and then it closes out the film, I was

984
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:06.880
just like, yeah, make him Blair.

985
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:08.480
Yeah, No, that was a good one. That was a

986
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:09.360
really good movie. Yeah.

987
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:11.760
So David Thompson also in our cast, who plays William

988
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:13.800
in the film. He gets a start in twenty eleven

989
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:15.800
with Win Win How to Make It in America in

990
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:18.920
twenty eleven Unforgettable in twenty eleven, A Christmas Story two

991
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.679
in twenty twelve, does Blue Ruin in twenty thirteen, appears

992
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.000
on board Walk, Empire in twenty fourteen, Moon in the

993
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:26.920
Sun twenty fourteen, Unbreakable, Kemmy Schmidt in twenty fifteen, Oh,

994
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:29.719
I didn't see that episode Green Room in twenty fifteen,

995
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:33.800
The Outcast, Gotham, The Boys, Panic, Fear Street Part one,

996
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.679
and in twenty twenty one. Then He'd does Station nineteen

997
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:39.000
twenty twenty two, and most recently It's What's Inside in

998
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:39.800
twenty twenty four.

999
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.360
Right, which is not an ed Great movie.

1000
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:44.559
Eggar Wright was credited on a review I read. I

1001
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:45.960
don't know why, but I'm gonna find out.

1002
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:47.960
Maybe they said it reminded them of an ed Great

1003
00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:50.079
could have been that was a fun Maybe he appears

1004
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.119
in the movie. I don't know, he doesn't, okay.

1005
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.800
Amy Hargraves also wrapping up our cast, who plays Sam

1006
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:56.840
in the film. She gets her start in nineteen ninety

1007
00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:00.639
four's Brain Scan. His sister is the main chicken brain

1008
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:04.719
Scan No Way, no Way, indeed, well it's yes way,

1009
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:05.320
yes way.

1010
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:05.880
And sorry.

1011
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.119
Then she does ABC after school specials in ninety four

1012
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:12.480
Remember Me in ninety five, Flashback in ninety seven, Family Log,

1013
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.079
Growing Down in Brooklyn, Law and Order, Criminal Intent in

1014
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.440
two thousand and two, Little Bill in two thousand and three,

1015
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:23.000
Third Watch two thousand and three, Michael Clayton, The Unusuals, Offspring, Shame, Homeland,

1016
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:26.480
Person of Interest, Blue Bloods, The Carry Diaries, The following

1017
00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:29.880
Blue Ruin in twenty thirteen, The Blacklist, Elementary, How He

1018
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:34.119
Fell In Love, Power, Blind Spot, thirteen Reasons Why Sometimes

1019
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:36.239
Other Than Now in twenty twenty one, Bowl in twenty

1020
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.840
twenty one, Billions, hay Seed, Founder's Day, and most recently,

1021
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:41.119
Test Screening in twenty twenty four.

1022
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:42.639
We never saw Founders dated, but.

1023
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:44.400
We did not. We needed we need miss miss us

1024
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:45.960
in theaters. And I think it's like, I think it's

1025
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:46.920
on two B now.

1026
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:49.000
Oh well to check it out. But man, she has

1027
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:51.320
I had no idea she went. She built such a

1028
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:53.719
career after brain scan. That's awesome. I love that.

1029
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:55.800
So what was your first time watching Blue Ruin?

1030
00:47:56.119 --> 00:48:00.320
So I was a fan of Jeremy Solliner since, like

1031
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.119
I said, since Murder Party, and I was living on

1032
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:06.960
the East Coast at that time working in movies, so

1033
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:10.719
I added him on Facebook and he accepted my friend request.

1034
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:13.599
We had some friends in common, mostly like people through Fangoria,

1035
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:19.519
the old Fangoria, and I remember him promoting I Kicked In.

1036
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:21.880
I want to say I put in a very small

1037
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:23.440
amount of money on the Kickstar. I was very broke

1038
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:25.000
at the time, but I think I might have put

1039
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:29.079
five bucks in or something. And I remember being so

1040
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.559
excited that he was crowdfunding a new movie because I

1041
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:34.840
just wanted to see a new movie from him. Oh

1042
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.639
hell yeah. And I remember kind of like falling off

1043
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:39.920
and not hearing about it, and then all of a

1044
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.960
sudden seeing people saying like, it's on Netflix and it's

1045
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:47.559
really good. And that was when I had to watch

1046
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:50.000
it because I was already a Netflix subscriber. So I

1047
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:52.760
put it on and my jaw was like on the

1048
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.719
floor pretty much the whole movie. That that first third

1049
00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:59.440
of the film is some of the best filmmaking. Perfect

1050
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:03.440
It's just perfection. The way the film opens is we

1051
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.360
meet this beach bump played by Macon Blair. Yeah, and

1052
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:08.159
he's a beach bump.

1053
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:09.360
He's a beach living in his car.

1054
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:11.719
Yeah, well and occasionally in people's houses when they're not

1055
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:13.519
holding it yet. Because we open with him, I believe,

1056
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:15.960
taking a bath in making a bath in someone else's.

1057
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.079
He had a sandwich, he's got it, and he's just

1058
00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:20.880
in this house. The TV's on, and then they come home.

1059
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:23.119
Yeah yeah, and he just leaves and takes some clothes

1060
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:23.719
on his way out.

1061
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:24.000
Yeah.

1062
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:26.440
So he's just kind of hanging out doing whatever. He's

1063
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:29.000
all disheveled and and and stuff, and he has this

1064
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:31.840
he's living in this beat up car that doesn't run. Yeah,

1065
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:35.320
it just sits there. And it appears that the beach

1066
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.440
community know him. They probably don't know that he's like

1067
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:40.320
breaking into people's houses because he seems good at it.

1068
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:42.159
He was able to slip out, you know, real quick.

1069
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:45.480
Yeah do you Even?

1070
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:56.679
Movie? Will be right back. Welcome back to do You Even?

1071
00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:01.360
Movie.

1072
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:04.320
So, now as he's like hanging out doing this thing,

1073
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:06.880
this cop comes and he's of course nervous because he

1074
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:08.119
thinks they're going to tell him like you can't sleep

1075
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:10.599
with the beach or whatever. And the cop is super

1076
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:13.000
nice to him and she tells him like, look, I

1077
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:14.559
just need you to come with me. You're not in trouble.

1078
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:19.159
He comes along and we find out that someone who

1079
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:24.239
committed a crime related to him, he's being legally notified, Yes,

1080
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:27.119
that this person is being released from prison.

1081
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:28.239
Wade Cleland Junior.

1082
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:33.639
Yes. And as the film progresses, we find out what happened,

1083
00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:35.440
what he did, well, well, we find out what they

1084
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:38.840
think happened versus what actually really happened. Yeah, And basically

1085
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:42.639
we find out that his parents were murdered and a

1086
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:43.480
long time ago.

1087
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:45.519
Long time twenty years, Yeah, twenty years.

1088
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:48.159
And he's just been bumming it up ever since. Yeah.

1089
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.280
But now all of a sudden, instead of being like

1090
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:56.079
an aimless vagabond, all of a sudden, he's gathering up

1091
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.440
all the little bits of money he has left, and

1092
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.800
he's and he goes, this is why I love it.

1093
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:05.159
He goes to like an AutoZone, He buys a car battery.

1094
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:07.880
He fixes his car so like, That's for the reason

1095
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.639
I love that is not because not just because he

1096
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.360
knew how or whatever, but because he had been choosing

1097
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:14.079
not not to.

1098
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:16.239
He had been beating a beach bump, didn't care.

1099
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:17.880
He was like, why does the car need to move?

1100
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:21.360
I'm not moving. So he gets his car up and running,

1101
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.920
and it's a great sequence because he's so dutifully and

1102
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:27.960
silently just does all this yeh, and at this point

1103
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.199
he's barely spoken. Yeah, he may not have spoken at all.

1104
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:31.519
Well, and he also buys a postcard.

1105
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:35.639
Well, that's that's why he after he's fixed the car,

1106
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.440
because he's at a pawn shop trying to get a gun. Yes,

1107
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:41.159
but he doesn't have enough money for this. Not enough money, no, no,

1108
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:44.000
So he tries to steal a gun by breaking into

1109
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:44.800
a car.

1110
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:47.639
Breaks into a truck, goes and gets the gun case,

1111
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.400
gets the gun and realizes there's a lock on the trigger.

1112
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:52.719
Yeah, there's a trigger lock on it, so tries to

1113
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.159
break it off, can't, breaks the gun yep.

1114
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:56.920
Takes it to a beach and breaks the gun entirely.

1115
00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.159
And I love this because he's using a crowbar trying

1116
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.320
to hit it off, breaks the gun completely because he

1117
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:04.800
snaps the pardon my gun knowledge.

1118
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:05.320
A finger guard.

1119
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:08.599
No, he's out of the gun. He breaks the gun

1120
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:12.639
by the round the oh you mean the cylinder, the cylinder,

1121
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:14.440
The cylinder gets knocked out of the gun. So he

1122
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:16.880
takes the gun and the crowbar and puts them both

1123
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:18.239
in the trash on the beach.

1124
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:20.800
Well, that ain't working, so then.

1125
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.559
He has to get a gun somehow. Well, or does

1126
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:26.440
he or does he indeed? So that's when we follow

1127
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:30.280
him to the prison. He basically finds out that the

1128
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:32.760
day that he's getting released, and he gets his car,

1129
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:36.280
he goes out there and he just waits and he waits,

1130
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:39.199
and then we see this white limousine pull up. We

1131
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:41.519
see some people get out, and we see Wade Cleveland

1132
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:43.320
Junior come up with his little box of stuff, puts

1133
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.320
it in the limo, and the limo goes driving, and

1134
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:46.480
he follows them to a bar.

1135
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:50.159
Now, and here's one thing I love. It's never explained

1136
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:52.159
why they have a limousine.

1137
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:56.039
There's a throwaway line of dialogue help his sister. They

1138
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:59.400
are running a limousine company. Oh that's what their money.

1139
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:00.440
That's what they're money is.

1140
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:02.559
Oh okay, okay. That makes a lot more sense because

1141
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:04.840
when we see their family home later, it's not much

1142
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.400
to look at, so you kind of go, oh, where's

1143
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.239
the money going. So that's it's.

1144
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:11.000
A throwaway line from his sister about that because she's like,

1145
00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:12.920
you know, and now they get to run a limousine company, like,

1146
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:13.559
how fair is that?

1147
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:16.639
So well, that makes perfect sense. I totally missed that.

1148
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:19.440
So they go to this bar and that is when

1149
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:21.960
Dwight pulls up, and I love I love this too,

1150
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.760
because he pulled, they they go past, or they go

1151
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:26.920
park their car. He drives past and parks his car

1152
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.119
off a little bit. Yeah, and then sneaks around the

1153
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:30.960
back of the bar. And the one thing that I

1154
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:34.360
love about this movie in regards to Dwight's shots, especially,

1155
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:38.000
he's he's going by the run. He he doesn't know

1156
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:40.400
what he's doing. He's just going by what he thinks

1157
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:41.239
he should be doing.

1158
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.559
And he's kind of instinct. Yeah, and he's and he's

1159
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:45.840
out of his element. Yeah, oh yeah, but he's but

1160
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:50.239
he's still like very slow and methodically plotting. Yeah, And

1161
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:51.639
that's the other thing I love. I love that he

1162
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.280
just like sees this as happening. He's like, well, gotta

1163
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:57.119
get the car running, gotta get a weapon, gotta get

1164
00:53:57.159 --> 00:53:57.960
to where I need to go.

1165
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:02.199
I don't think he speaks his first a dialogue until after. Yeah,

1166
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:03.800
I don't think he's because I don't think he speaks

1167
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:05.159
to the cop. I don't think he says a word

1168
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:07.880
out loud. Yeah, because then so well we don't want

1169
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.800
to get ahead. But yeah, but basically later on, when

1170
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.639
he sees his sister and they're talking. He says like,

1171
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:14.360
I'm not used to.

1172
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:18.039
Talking as much. Yeah, yeah, so uh so please please

1173
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:18.360
so yeah.

1174
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:20.239
He so he's sneaking around the back and he's going

1175
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:21.800
through this alley. He gets into the back of the

1176
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:24.519
club and we see that the bar is in business

1177
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:26.639
and everything. And he sneaks past this entry of the

1178
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:29.119
bar and goes into one of the supply rooms and

1179
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:31.320
finds a knife that you would use to like basically

1180
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:34.239
chop like the olives and stuff like that. Yes, so

1181
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.239
he's got this little tiny blade and he goes into

1182
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:41.039
the bathroom and he waits and he waits, and then

1183
00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:44.039
Wag Junior comes in with the one guy. The other

1184
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:45.599
guy leaves him and then he comes out of the

1185
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:48.480
stall just sticks him in the neck. He and he

1186
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:50.719
starts fighting with him and everything. And then when he

1187
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:52.239
gets the upper hand again, he takes the blade and

1188
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:53.559
just sticks it right into his head.

1189
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.960
Yeah. Quick, but well the sticking into his head is quick. Yeah,

1190
00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.039
but he stabs him in the neck. Yeah, Wade, he

1191
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:04.559
grabs him. He's there. And the thing I liked about

1192
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:08.719
that was making Blair his reaction to like being strangled

1193
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:11.320
and stuff is not really even fear. No, I mean

1194
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:14.320
he's aware, like he doesn't want to die like outwardly.

1195
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:16.000
Would you like to know something in regards to that

1196
00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:17.760
scene that's a that's technically trivia.

1197
00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:18.480
Sure.

1198
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:22.239
The guy that's playing Wade was actually strangling making and

1199
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:23.880
Macon had to tell him a couple of times like

1200
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:25.760
hey man, like all you gotta do is like throw me,

1201
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:27.599
because like when he has his hand on his throat

1202
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:29.440
and you like see his eyes go, he was literally

1203
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:30.079
choking him.

1204
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:33.159
Everybody knows that if somebody's choking you too hard, all

1205
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:37.599
you have to say is easy daddy or you're safe. Word.

1206
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:41.920
I mean I think easy daddy's better, not bad or yellow.

1207
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:43.960
Yeah, you know, but yeah, I mean he stabs him

1208
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:45.880
in the neck, and then he stabs him in the temple.

1209
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:49.760
And when we say the violence is realistic, the blood

1210
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:51.800
that comes out is not like horror film style. It's

1211
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:54.039
exactly what would be if somebody got stabbed in the temple.

1212
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:56.519
And when he falls down after he's pulled the knife out, yeah,

1213
00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:59.000
they put there's blood in his eye, but not a

1214
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:00.920
ton and his eyes just all red and the blood's

1215
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:04.679
coming out and coming out, and he starts to slowly die.

1216
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:06.159
And Macon gets covered in his blood.

1217
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:06.920
Oh yeah.

1218
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.159
So he walks, walks out and goes over to the car,

1219
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:12.880
and before he leaves, he sticks the knife into the

1220
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.679
tire the limousine. Then he gets back in his car,

1221
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:17.800
realizes his keys are in the bathroom.

1222
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:20.519
Well, because they'd established earlier that he keeps the car

1223
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:24.760
keys around his neck. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure that

1224
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:28.320
was his parents car. Yes, So so it's like it's sentimental.

1225
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:29.719
So fun story that they don't talk about the movie

1226
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:31.400
at all. Uh you notice how the bullet holes are

1227
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:34.000
in the car. Oh yeah, that's because his parents were

1228
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:34.800
killed in that car.

1229
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:37.159
Oh that makes perfect sense because they mentioned at one

1230
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:38.760
point they say, like your mom being in the car

1231
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:42.360
was unfortunate. Yep, so that now that makes perfect So yeah,

1232
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:42.840
perfect sense.

1233
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:44.480
So he gets back into his car, realize he doesn't

1234
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:46.719
have the keys, so then he goes and steals the

1235
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:49.039
limousine with the knife in the tire, yeah, with the

1236
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:51.800
flat tire, flat tire, and speeds off, speeds off. They

1237
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:53.679
come running out after him because they found Waight at

1238
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:56.039
this point. So he's driving and he goes a bit weighs,

1239
00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:58.559
he's frantic, and then he starts hearing some knocking on

1240
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:01.000
the back window and realize says that somebody's in the

1241
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:03.239
back of the limousine. Yes, so he pulls over to

1242
00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:06.239
the side and that's when the younger brother, William, comes

1243
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:08.400
out and he's like, you know, did you hurt Wade,

1244
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:11.599
And he's like, yeah, he hurt my family, and William,

1245
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:14.159
not missing a beat, goes, I don't think he did,

1246
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:17.119
takes off running. Yeah, it just runs away from him.

1247
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:21.039
Yeah. And that's a great moment too, because we're learning

1248
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:23.360
so much about this character. We're learning so much about

1249
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:26.480
how he views this vengeance. But and that's kind of

1250
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:28.679
what I like about the movie is this idea of

1251
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.119
a person who has nothing to lose, and also the

1252
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:38.360
idea of of he's not stupid. No, he's not going

1253
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:42.559
into these situations believing he's John Rambo. He's going into

1254
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:46.719
these situations with a very realistic attitude that he'll probably

1255
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:49.199
die doing this and that's fine.

1256
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.559
He wants to have this conclusion to his story. And

1257
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:56.480
because of that, he makes mistakes because he's literally your

1258
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:58.639
average man taking vengeance. I mean like when he stabs

1259
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:00.800
the tire, he cuts his hand super Yeah.

1260
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:03.000
It's one of my favorite little moments. Sandas is covered

1261
00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:04.840
in blood, and he's already covered in blood, but now

1262
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.599
he's bleeding even more, even more. And that's another thing

1263
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:11.480
is his injuries are very realistically depicted, especially later on, Yeah,

1264
00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:13.719
when it it nearly makes you sick to your stomach.

1265
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:16.639
That's That's one of the things that makes the movie

1266
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:20.800
work is that it's very it's very guttural and very

1267
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:24.880
realistic in a way that is unpleasant. And I always

1268
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:28.760
enjoy when things are unpleasant. Ye, when they're when they're

1269
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:32.239
an inherently unpleasant thing like murder, murder, Yeah, you know, and.

1270
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:33.599
You know, when you get done with a murder, you

1271
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:36.119
gotta go change your appearance. So he takes his car

1272
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.760
and that takes the limousine, ditches it, eventually breaks into

1273
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:42.840
another house, shaves his beard completely off, tied his hair up,

1274
00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:45.519
gets nice clothes on. Then he checks the news, reports

1275
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:48.440
the news and sees that nothing has been reported.

1276
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:49.039
And we we forgot to mention.

1277
00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:51.599
He mails that postcard, mails the postcard to his sister, Yeah,

1278
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:54.159
which basically the postcard was to explain that he was

1279
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:56.920
going to kill Wade and that he was basically gonna

1280
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.719
like everything should be fine from this point. Yeah, so

1281
00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:02.519
he mails the postcar breaks into that house, and that's

1282
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:04.719
when he leaves. He goes over to a gas station,

1283
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:07.599
gets a ride with the trucker, and then he eventually

1284
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:08.880
arrives at his sister's house.

1285
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:14.239
Yeah, and his sister lives in a suburban neighborhood. She

1286
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.360
appears to have a good job, Her kids are kids.

1287
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.760
She has two adorable little kids, and she's just getting

1288
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.159
ready to say goodbye to the kids and the baby

1289
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:25.840
guitters there, and as she leaves, she sees her brother.

1290
00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:29.519
This is another part again. Realism is really the key

1291
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:34.280
to what makes this movie really incredible to me. Even

1292
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.159
when things are a bit more outrageous or fantastic, it's

1293
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:38.199
still very real.

1294
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:51.360
Do You Even? Movie will be right back, welcome back

1295
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:52.599
to Do You Even?

1296
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:53.119
Movie.

1297
00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:00.519
His sister doesn't react, but when like but she just

1298
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:04.239
kind of goes like, oh hey, like and she takes

1299
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:09.159
him out to get a hamburger and they sit down

1300
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:11.840
just at this fast food restaurant, and again not saying much,

1301
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:13.840
not saying much at all, she does ask him like,

1302
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:15.280
do you need money, and he's like, no.

1303
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:16.679
No, I got it. You have a box of stuff

1304
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:18.559
at the house. You're still a twenty eight hundred dollars

1305
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:21.079
you know, if the car, if you're still driving the Pontiac,

1306
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:22.440
you need to switch it over to your name.

1307
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:24.880
Yeah, And it scared me. The moment I heard that,

1308
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:26.760
I was like, oh shit, yeah, because the car was

1309
01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:30.320
left behind. Yes, So that's like the ultimately calling card

1310
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:31.400
of who was that? Yeah.

1311
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:34.079
And then what is great about this scene is she's like,

1312
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:36.599
you know, if you're here because Wade got out, I know,

1313
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.119
they let you know when they release a prisoner, they

1314
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.800
also send us a restraining order. Yeah, And that's when

1315
01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:45.159
he basically is like, I killed Wade. Wade's dead, and

1316
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:48.480
they know it's me, And that's when the whole thing

1317
01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:50.559
about the car comes out. But also before that, she

1318
01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:53.400
even says that you know, I want them all dead,

1319
01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:56.079
not just you know, that whole family should die, not

1320
01:00:56.280 --> 01:00:59.679
just Wade. So that's when Macon puts together that since

1321
01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:03.159
the car is registered, shit is who's with your kids

1322
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:03.639
right now?

1323
01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:07.559
Well? Well, the other realization is that there was never

1324
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:09.519
a police report, So that's what he goes they never

1325
01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:11.000
called the police. That means they're going to take care

1326
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:13.400
of themselves. So he's like, who's with your kids right now.

1327
01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:16.280
And it's a great tense moment. I do want to

1328
01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:19.440
mention without getting into incredible amount of detail. I once

1329
01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:23.199
had a girlfriend who got a notice that a violent

1330
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:25.719
criminal related to her in some way I don't want

1331
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:29.360
to be, you know, was being released. She got that notice,

1332
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:34.239
Jesus it was. She was okay, we went out and

1333
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:38.679
got hamburgers and milkshakes to like cheer to chill out about.

1334
01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:40.159
But she was just kind of like, I need to

1335
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:41.519
tell you this, and then I don't want to talk

1336
01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:44.360
about it. And I was like, all right, So yeah,

1337
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.519
so they really do notify victims and and uh and

1338
01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:50.480
whether it's a direct victim or the victims families and stuff,

1339
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:54.360
they really do in most in most places. So yeah,

1340
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:59.679
they rush back to her place, very tense moment. They

1341
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.679
get there and as they're going, they're calling the babysitter's

1342
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:03.519
I'm answering your.

1343
01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:06.039
Being Oh yeah, like bad out of hell. So she

1344
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:08.239
gets in the driveway, runs up. The babysitter comes from

1345
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:09.880
the side and she's like, well, what's going on? Goes

1346
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:12.199
in the house, kids are fine, nothing is wrong and everything,

1347
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:14.199
and now she's pissed. She even starts attacking him.

1348
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:16.039
A little bit. Yeah, she's bad that he scared her

1349
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:19.159
so bad. Yeah, And it's also it's hilarious to think

1350
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:21.480
about how like how that works in life though, Like

1351
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:24.440
you need to get a hold of somebody right now

1352
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:27.239
to make sure they're alive. Yeah, and they don't answer.

1353
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:30.519
In general, if someone, say, doesn't pick up their phone

1354
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:33.559
for twenty five minutes, not a big deal, not a

1355
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:36.880
big deal, but in this case, yeah, quite a big deal,

1356
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:37.519
very big deal.

1357
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:40.199
So she's like, you know, I want you go on

1358
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:42.119
and everything, like, you know, don't don't be around here.

1359
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:44.920
And he basically tells her that he's concerned because now

1360
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:47.159
that they know the cars registered to her, they can

1361
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:50.280
come right here. It's not just between him that he's

1362
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:51.559
worried that she's gonna get involved.

1363
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:54.760
Yeah, and he's worried that they're gonna come for revenge. Yeah,

1364
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:56.599
he's hoping. And because one of the things he keeps,

1365
01:02:56.679 --> 01:02:58.079
you know, saying, is he's like, I wonder if they're

1366
01:02:58.119 --> 01:02:59.840
here for me or they're here for you. Yeah, And

1367
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:03.960
that's a really, you know, solid point. So she convinces her,

1368
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:06.840
He convinces her to just get out of town, out there, Yeah,

1369
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:10.199
just her and the kids, just leave, and he sets

1370
01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:11.360
himself up in her house.

1371
01:03:11.400 --> 01:03:15.559
He posts up, so he basically is making every men's

1372
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:17.719
possible to like to check if they're coming, Like he's

1373
01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:19.840
checking out the window, and eventually does see them at

1374
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:23.360
night parked outside the house. Yeah, and at this point

1375
01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:25.199
he's tried to grab anything that he can for a weapon,

1376
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:26.280
which I think is a pitchfork.

1377
01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:28.880
He finds a pitchfork, Well he doesn't. He's like, again,

1378
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:32.239
this is kind of that point about he's not an idiot. Yeah.

1379
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:34.800
He he sets up things to help him know if

1380
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.880
doors are being you know, opened. He has the pitchfork.

1381
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:41.039
He goes upstairs. He makes the bed up like somebody's

1382
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:44.159
laying in bed wrapped in blankets, and turns lound, turns

1383
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:47.039
the faucet on, hoping that that'll distract them, to make

1384
01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:49.559
them think to go upstairs. Yeah, so we can hopefully

1385
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:52.440
get some kind of jump on these guys. And sure enough,

1386
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:54.000
as soon as he turns on that light.

1387
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:55.599
They're in the house there.

1388
01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:58.559
Well, he notices the guy, the guy walking up to

1389
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:00.760
the house. He breaks the little piece of glass and

1390
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:04.400
unlocks the door. Yep, and we're off to the races.

1391
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:07.000
So he's in the house with him and makings or

1392
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:09.159
Dwight's trying to avoid him. He hides behind a couch

1393
01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:10.760
at one point. One of my favorite shots is he's

1394
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:12.559
hiding behind this couch. We see the one guy come

1395
01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:14.639
from the side looking and he's just basically trying to

1396
01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:17.480
figure out what to do. And by this point he

1397
01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:18.960
knows that he's got to do something.

1398
01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:22.000
Well, I mean yeah, yeah.

1399
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:23.960
So that's when he gets out. He goes outside to

1400
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:24.800
his car, right.

1401
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.719
Yeah, he goes out. Well, he goes outside because there's

1402
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:28.760
another guy out there.

1403
01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:30.719
Yeah, he escapes because, yeah, you got Teddy in the

1404
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:34.400
house and Carl's out front, so or maybe it's no wait,

1405
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:36.159
because Teddy's the one he hits in the car. Yes,

1406
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:38.360
Teddy's in the house, Carls out front. Karl's got the crossbow.

1407
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:40.239
So he gets out to his car and he gets

1408
01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:43.320
it started, and that's when Teddy comes up with a shotgun,

1409
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:45.400
but he runs his car into him, knocks him out.

1410
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:48.239
He takes the shotgun and he goes up to Carl

1411
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:50.639
who's got the crossbow, and then Carl goes running. But

1412
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:52.599
Carl gets one shot off right in.

1413
01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:56.039
His leg into his thighs thigh, which is worse. Well,

1414
01:04:56.119 --> 01:04:58.800
not just worse, because I mean it hurts a lot,

1415
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:01.360
it's higher up your leg, harder to walk, but also

1416
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:02.840
it could nick your car.

1417
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:04.199
Is that where your argument?

1418
01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:06.280
Oh yeah, it could nick an artery and you'll bleed,

1419
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:10.519
it'll die immediately die. So it's pretty scary.

1420
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:14.960
Yeah. So he gets Teddy's body into the trunk before

1421
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:17.159
he gets the shotgun. So he's got Teddy's body in

1422
01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:19.079
the trunk and he goes after Karl briefly, but then

1423
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:21.079
Karl gets to a dark like alley behind the house

1424
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:23.679
and he's like no, like, I'm not doing this. So

1425
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:25.679
it gets back in the car and drives off and

1426
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:28.239
that's when he realizes he has to treat his wound.

1427
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:34.400
Yeah, so he he cuts the arrow so that it's

1428
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:36.639
not sticking out. Yeah, he cuts it so he can

1429
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:39.599
like cover it up and he goes into just a pharmacy.

1430
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:40.719
I love.

1431
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:43.039
So my favorite my favorite part about him cutting it though,

1432
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.440
is he you know, he gets Teddy into his car

1433
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:48.039
and that's when he pulls out a hacksaw, a hammer,

1434
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:51.559
some clippers and then puts the arrow into the door,

1435
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:53.880
like closes the door on it, cuts it with the

1436
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:56.519
hacksaw and then realizes he's got to get something to

1437
01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:57.760
take take try and take it out.

1438
01:05:57.880 --> 01:05:59.920
Oh yeah, yeah. So he ends he's just in a

1439
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:03.519
pharmacy and he's buying like all of the like. He

1440
01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:06.599
buys a jug of alcohol and a jug of peroxide

1441
01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:10.519
and buys all this stuff, painkillers, scalpel. Well, and this

1442
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:12.159
is why it's so great. Well, he buys an exact

1443
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:14.400
exactly because I don't know what kind of pharmacies you

1444
01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:17.679
have around you, but they don't usually carry scalpels super glue,

1445
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:21.079
so well, you trust me, you want super glue. But

1446
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:24.239
he grabs a needle and thread and this is another

1447
01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:27.239
great moment. So he's getting all the things, all the

1448
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:31.840
trement to take care of this wound yourself. He goes

1449
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:34.039
up to the to the cashier and as he's paying

1450
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:35.880
one of the dollar bills just to cover the blood.

1451
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:37.360
And what I love about that is that he looks

1452
01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:40.440
at he goes I yeah yeah, and he doesn't he

1453
01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:42.400
doesn't explain at all, and the pharmacist is just like

1454
01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:45.800
here you go, yeah yeah, I mean, considering what he's buying.

1455
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:48.440
If if I mean, although he did kill somebody, but

1456
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:51.000
out right, then if he had killed somebody he must

1457
01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:53.719
have decided to save their life, you know. But yeah,

1458
01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:56.119
the pharmacists. So now he's in his car and and

1459
01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:58.960
one of the most gruesome scenes in the whole movie horrific.

1460
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:02.559
He's trying to dig into his skin. Well, and he's

1461
01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:05.760
trying to dig out the arrow. He's got the pliers

1462
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:08.440
and he's trying, he's trying to he's screaming, screaming, and

1463
01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:11.519
then and it's it's really shocking. It's they don't cut

1464
01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:13.719
away at all from it. And then he just kind

1465
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:16.360
of and it cuts and he's in a hospital. Yeah,

1466
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:16.719
he goes.

1467
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:19.199
So he walks into a hospital and he's like, I

1468
01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:22.440
had an accident and then faints.

1469
01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:24.079
My leg and then he just falls over and he's

1470
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:26.440
dragging blood across the wall. Yep. Well I just love

1471
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:29.159
that because again, he's not John Rambo. No, you know

1472
01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:32.000
Rambo would would would you know, put his knife in

1473
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:35.280
the fire and then cauterize that wound. No, No, he tried.

1474
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:37.519
He saw he he whether he saw it in a

1475
01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:40.719
movie or he took a first aid kit class. Yeah,

1476
01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:42.679
like he knows what he needs to do, but how

1477
01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:44.800
do you do that to yourself? And and another thing

1478
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:46.880
I love is that from the time, like he goes

1479
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:51.159
into the pharmacy, his he's his complexion is so pale.

1480
01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:54.639
He's he's not doing well. He's well. So now he

1481
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:56.199
wakes up in the hospital, wakes up.

1482
01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:58.079
In the hospital, realizes they've taken care of the air.

1483
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:00.840
He opens his thing and yet it's all stitched up.

1484
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:03.599
So then he escapes the hospital. He runs wearing gown,

1485
01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:06.280
wearing his gown, his assless gown, gets.

1486
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:07.960
Back to the Pontiac, which is the car that he

1487
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:10.199
borrowed from his sister, because we forgot to mention that

1488
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:12.079
she did say the extra pair of keys was in

1489
01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:14.039
the house, so she did take the pawny. He takes

1490
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:16.840
the Pontiac, he's hidden it. He goes back and puts

1491
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:18.800
his ear to the trunk just to see if Teddy's

1492
01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:21.800
still alive in there, and knocks on it and Teddy

1493
01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:24.199
starts like, you know, hey, I mean yes, you like

1494
01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:26.199
So that he gets back in the car and drives,

1495
01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:28.880
and that's when he realizes that he needs to find

1496
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:29.680
a way to get a gun.

1497
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.359
Yeah, so he needs to do something about Teddy in

1498
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:34.439
the trunk, and I love that. Then he goes and

1499
01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:36.960
he like gets gas and there's a guy screaming in

1500
01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:38.840
the trunk. I was My first thought was, pro tip,

1501
01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:41.000
turn on the radio. Turn the radio. Yeah. So is

1502
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:42.560
this the part where he finds his buddy? Yeah?

1503
01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:45.239
So this is where he uh, I can't remember.

1504
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:45.600
Oh.

1505
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:47.279
So he gets the stuff out of his trunk out

1506
01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:49.880
out of his sister's house. The box and stuff finds

1507
01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:52.159
the picture. I think that references Ben or something like that.

1508
01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:53.840
I think so, yeah, And so that's when he decides

1509
01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:55.960
that he's gonna go see his buddy, Ben Gaffney. And

1510
01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:58.680
so he goes to his parents' house. His mom invites

1511
01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:00.600
him in and she's like, you know, Ben doesn't live

1512
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:04.600
around here anymore. Here's his address. And he finds out

1513
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:06.359
that he works at this bar. So he goes to

1514
01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:08.560
this bar in a really cool scene with the lighting

1515
01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:09.279
especially well.

1516
01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:12.359
And I want to mention that his friend Ben, you said. Yeah.

1517
01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:15.840
Ben is played by Devin Ratra or rat Ray right Ray.

1518
01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:19.680
I love him because this was one of the first

1519
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:21.840
movies where I noticed he was in a lot of stuff.

1520
01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:24.159
I noticed him in this in Nebraska, and I noticed

1521
01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:26.479
him in an episode of I Think of Louis the

1522
01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:29.640
luisek TV series, and he's been a working actor for

1523
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:31.760
a long time. But the thing that I didn't recognize

1524
01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:34.760
him from immediately that now I always do is he

1525
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:38.239
was older brother Buzzy in Home a Alone in two

1526
01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:42.520
and I'll be I'll be dipped in shit if that

1527
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:44.880
mother Hubbard is like, I don't swear on that part.

1528
01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:48.079
If that mother Hubbard is not a phenomenal actor in

1529
01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:51.039
everything he does a stand up, which is actually one

1530
01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:53.319
of the reasons I was shocked that he was the

1531
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:55.840
child actor buzz in Home Alone, because that was such

1532
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.439
a character. You know, he was a young he was

1533
01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:01.760
he was built to be a bully kid Like he

1534
01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:05.920
looks like somebody sculpted him. They were like, what's a jerk,

1535
01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:09.000
older brother. We'll get the nose, we'll get the eyebrows.

1536
01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:12.439
But as an adult he's a really great actor. Yeah,

1537
01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:16.279
And his part in this part of the film is

1538
01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:23.000
very complex, very interesting because he runs into his buddy and.

1539
01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:25.399
Waits for him outside, like that's my favorite is like

1540
01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:28.159
he waits, waits for him outside and then sees him

1541
01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:30.560
come out. He's got headphones on, so he keeps calling

1542
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:33.399
to him and calling to him. Finally gets him and

1543
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:36.079
he's just like he's like oh shit, you disappeared, dude,

1544
01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:37.359
Like I didn't even know where you were.

1545
01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:39.880
Well, he makes some reference like I put up missing

1546
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:41.560
posters for you, although I think he turns out he

1547
01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:42.520
was joking about that.

1548
01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:55.119
Do You Even movie? Will be right back, welcome back

1549
01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:56.399
to Do You Even?

1550
01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:56.880
Movie?

1551
01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:04.199
But yeah, so you realize these guys were childhood friends

1552
01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:09.319
because I want to say he would have been like

1553
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:13.399
twenty when I because the murder happened in like the

1554
01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:16.000
late nineties. Yeah, so he would have been maybe eighteen

1555
01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:19.159
or nineteen, maybe twenty somewhere in that neighborhood. Yeah, And

1556
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:21.960
so he hasn't seen him in for a really really

1557
01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:22.880
long time. Yeah.

1558
01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:25.239
And his introduction to him is I need a favor.

1559
01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:28.960
It's big, which I love that too because the honesty,

1560
01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:32.319
you know, the direct honesty of it, none of that

1561
01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:33.840
like trying to make it all right and say like

1562
01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:36.199
hey man, I mean you know I meant to come back. No, no,

1563
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:38.319
just I need a favor. And it's big.

1564
01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:41.399
So we see them drive out to his house and

1565
01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:43.640
he's like basically telling him like, you know, hey, man,

1566
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:46.039
like I found a polaroid recently, a UMI and a stripper,

1567
01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:48.760
and everything skips over that and then he's just like,

1568
01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:51.399
you know, I need you know, I'm on time, Like

1569
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:52.720
I need this gun.

1570
01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:55.279
Yeah, And that's when we find out he needs a

1571
01:11:55.279 --> 01:11:56.520
gun yep, and his.

1572
01:11:56.479 --> 01:11:59.000
Buddy is target practice.

1573
01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:01.640
Well well target practice.

1574
01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:04.479
He doesn't hunt, he lot of guns because it's target practice.

1575
01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:08.239
Well, it appears that he has occasionally been involved in

1576
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:10.720
unscrupulous activities, yeah.

1577
01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:13.279
Because he mentions that he's killed two people by choice,

1578
01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:15.079
on purpose, on purpose, yeah yeah.

1579
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:18.279
But but later on he does reference like you got

1580
01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:19.920
to do it right and legal. Yeah, so he's like,

1581
01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:22.479
I had to wait because I mean, we're spoiling everything.

1582
01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:26.439
But like, uh, when when he shoots somebody to save

1583
01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:28.600
his buddy, he says like, I had to wait until

1584
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:30.239
he he aimed the gun at you to do it legal.

1585
01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:32.920
So like that makes me wonder if when he says

1586
01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:35.159
he killed people by choice, it was in some kind

1587
01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:35.960
of self defense.

1588
01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:38.119
I mean, he very he much cares about his property

1589
01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:39.279
and what happens on it.

1590
01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:41.600
He does, no, but that's the thing. But then there

1591
01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:44.159
are like little hints, like because he ends up giving

1592
01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:46.479
him a Mini fourteen, which is the gun from the

1593
01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:50.000
eighteen and many fourteen for those who don't know anything

1594
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:52.840
about firearms or know very little about firearms. It is

1595
01:12:53.359 --> 01:12:55.359
a lot of people like to joke it's basically the

1596
01:12:55.560 --> 01:13:00.000
Kinder assault rifle. In air quotes, it's the Kinder modern

1597
01:13:00.279 --> 01:13:03.199
sporting rifle. It's it's a semi automatic rifle. It's basically

1598
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:05.760
the same thing as an Air fifteen, except it's got

1599
01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:07.840
a it's all wood. Yeah, so it looks more like

1600
01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:11.760
a hunting rifle and people don't worry about many fourteens

1601
01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:14.920
very much. A fine gun, but it literally shoots the

1602
01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:18.720
same bullets as an Air fifteen. It's a pretty reliable firearm.

1603
01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:20.520
And that's the gun he gives him because he says,

1604
01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:23.439
I bought it at a gun show. It's got no paper,

1605
01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:25.560
it's just it's just here to go.

1606
01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:28.039
And even ask him, he's like, you know, because that's

1607
01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:30.479
my favorite is the initial He goes, so what what

1608
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:32.920
gun deal? Or what what do you need it for?

1609
01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:35.039
Or what kind of gun? Or I can't remember because

1610
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:36.279
he asked him in a certain way, and he's like,

1611
01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:37.840
oh no, no, I'm not asking that. Like the better

1612
01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:39.960
I the better I don't know. Yeah, I don't want

1613
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:43.039
the details. I just need to know, like long distance close.

1614
01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:44.560
Fame, up close far away.

1615
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:47.319
So, yeah, he gives him the gun and he basically

1616
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:49.800
tells me he owns sixteen acres and that you know,

1617
01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:52.359
that's where he can go and do the business. So

1618
01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:55.119
he goes back to his car and he drives his

1619
01:13:55.159 --> 01:13:58.159
car out with Teddy in it, and he my favorite shot.

1620
01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:00.479
He goes to the side of the car, open the door,

1621
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:03.479
opens the glove compartment and he's just waiting and waiting

1622
01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:05.479
and then he hits the trunk button, races around back

1623
01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:06.039
with the rifle.

1624
01:14:06.199 --> 01:14:09.399
Yeah. It's a great, a great moment. Yeah, and now

1625
01:14:09.439 --> 01:14:13.279
he's got this guy basically he's his prisoner.

1626
01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:15.760
Yeah, and he says that Teddy says his leg is broken.

1627
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:17.279
So because even he's like stay in the trunk and

1628
01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:19.239
he's like, I won't be a problem. Leg's broken. So

1629
01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:21.239
that's when he asked him, you know, like, uh, you know,

1630
01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:22.960
why are you doing this? And he's just like, you

1631
01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:26.000
know why, like you know, he uh, Wade killed my

1632
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:28.239
parents and he's like, well, that's actually not what happened.

1633
01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:32.520
We find out that Wade Senior is who killed Dwight's

1634
01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:36.000
parents and his only target was his father because his

1635
01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:39.520
father had an affair with Wade Senior's wife, right, and

1636
01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:41.840
the mom just got in the crossfire. And Teddy even

1637
01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:42.760
says that, like, you know, it.

1638
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:44.199
Was unfortunate she was in that car too.

1639
01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:45.000
Yeah.

1640
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:47.159
And that's the thing is there's this whole exchange between

1641
01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:49.880
Teddy and Dwight at this point where basically Teddy says,

1642
01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:51.479
you know, the man with the gun gets to tell

1643
01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:53.399
the truth. So because he even says, like, you know,

1644
01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:56.520
William said that you didn't kill my dad, and he's like, oh, well,

1645
01:14:56.760 --> 01:14:58.279
then that's that, you know, may with the gun tells

1646
01:14:58.319 --> 01:14:58.720
the truth.

1647
01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:03.680
And this is also really an interesting point too, because

1648
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:05.840
it's almost like a little bit of like Hatfields and

1649
01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:10.760
McCoy's that this like feud began because of this. And

1650
01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:13.399
the reason there had never been a need for reprisal

1651
01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:18.680
was that the supposed killer, Wade, was serving time. Yeah,

1652
01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:20.800
therefore justice was served.

1653
01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:22.359
Justice was serva and he had cancer and.

1654
01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:24.680
Well, well, I mean the Wade went to prison. Yeah,

1655
01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:26.399
And the reason they didn't want Wade Senior to go

1656
01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:28.520
to prison was was he was sick with cancer already,

1657
01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:30.680
so they didn't want him to send him away. And

1658
01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:33.640
then the reason that the other brother, Teddy, Yeah, the

1659
01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:35.600
reason Teddy didn't do it was he had already had

1660
01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:37.640
two strikes, so he would have went to prison for

1661
01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:40.920
a really long time. And since Wade Junior had no history,

1662
01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:42.680
they were like, well, you'll do the least amount of

1663
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:44.119
time for this crime.

1664
01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:46.840
And even Teddy says at one point, because Dwight asked him,

1665
01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:48.319
he goes, you know, and what about the younger one.

1666
01:15:48.319 --> 01:15:50.199
He's like, oh, he's just a boy. Like, doesn't even

1667
01:15:50.319 --> 01:15:50.880
bring him into you.

1668
01:15:51.039 --> 01:15:52.520
Yeah, he won't even say he's his brother. Yeah, he's

1669
01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:53.640
just like, oh, that's just a boy.

1670
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:56.960
Just a boy. So that's when Dwight asked him to

1671
01:15:57.039 --> 01:15:59.600
basically call them. He's like, you know, call them, tell

1672
01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:02.000
them it's over. We'll meet in a public place. We'll

1673
01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:04.199
settle this, you know. So here's the phone.

1674
01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:06.039
Well, and he says like, why didn't you call the police,

1675
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:06.520
And he's.

1676
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:07.520
Like, we want to finish this in house.

1677
01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:09.319
We want just like you, just like you did. Yeah,

1678
01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:11.079
and he says like, what if I turn myself And

1679
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:12.800
he's like hell yeah, and he's like I mean to

1680
01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:15.000
the police. And he's like, you know, well I love that.

1681
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:16.640
He just goes, Nope, that won't do it.

1682
01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:18.479
Yeah, you don't get that option. So that's when he

1683
01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:20.840
hands him the phone and he has him call one

1684
01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:23.239
cell phone. It goes voicemail, leaves a voicemail and then

1685
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:24.520
he's like, can you wand if I call the house

1686
01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:26.680
and he's like, yeah, call the house, acts like he

1687
01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:28.680
has the sister on the phone. He's like, you know,

1688
01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:30.279
she wants to talk to you, gets him come over.

1689
01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:31.760
As soon as he comes over with that gun, he

1690
01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:33.960
grabs the barrel, grabs the gun from him, and climbs

1691
01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:36.079
out of the trunk and is aiming the gun right on.

1692
01:16:36.039 --> 01:16:39.159
Dwight, and he pretty much tells him what happened, Yeah,

1693
01:16:39.199 --> 01:16:42.800
how the family what works, and how they're not going

1694
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:45.800
to give up until they get their revenge. And he

1695
01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:47.279
says like, if you're gonna you can kill me, but

1696
01:16:47.319 --> 01:16:50.119
you just need to promise me my sister's out of

1697
01:16:50.119 --> 01:16:51.239
it like that it ends here.

1698
01:16:51.399 --> 01:16:53.600
Yeah, And he won't give him that satisfaction. No, And

1699
01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:55.199
he's getting ready to kill him, and then we hear

1700
01:16:55.239 --> 01:16:57.920
a bullet whiz past him. Yes, and then we hear

1701
01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:01.399
another fire and his fucking head goes to one side.

1702
01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:03.960
Yes, because he gets shot by his Buddi's Mosen the Gaunt,

1703
01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:06.279
which he said was his gun that he was really enjoying,

1704
01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:08.720
the gun that I got Rachel for her birthday. Told

1705
01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:11.920
me that so, which is a long rifle Soviet era

1706
01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:15.960
rifle shoots a very powerful projectile. And I love it

1707
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:17.239
what he walks me because his face he's like, that's

1708
01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:19.720
what bullets do. He's like, that's face line the lions do,

1709
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:20.920
that's what bullets do. Yeah.

1710
01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:22.800
So Ben comes from the side and he's just like,

1711
01:17:22.840 --> 01:17:24.319
you know, had to wait for him to pull on you.

1712
01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:27.600
And Ben is very very clear that he does not

1713
01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:29.319
want this on his property. He wants him in the trunk.

1714
01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:31.319
He wants the gun in the trunk, he wants the

1715
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:34.399
cell phone, and and Dwight does even like what about

1716
01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:36.239
the piece of his brain? He's like, COYOTESO get that.

1717
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:38.039
Yeah, He's like, as long as there are no teeth, Yeah,

1718
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:41.399
no teeth. So matter of fact about it, which is

1719
01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:45.319
which is a great example of what can happen when

1720
01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:48.039
you're gone for so long. You know, you've been gone

1721
01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:52.119
for ten fifteen years, and your buddy is he's seen

1722
01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:52.520
some shit.

1723
01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:54.600
And we failed to mention too that Dwight did tried

1724
01:17:54.680 --> 01:17:56.920
to take like a warning shot and completely prove that

1725
01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:58.479
he does not know how to handle that gun, so

1726
01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:00.720
then Ben makes the comment I'm gonna set you up

1727
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:01.239
a bug shot.

1728
01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:03.760
Yeah, you're not gonna hit anything otherwise.

1729
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:05.479
So he takes him out to the field has in practice.

1730
01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:06.960
H do you know what kind of gun he gives him.

1731
01:18:07.520 --> 01:18:11.479
It is some kind of a of a revolver style,

1732
01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:14.880
smaller shotgun. I couldn't tell it may have been a

1733
01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:17.880
ten gage or something. I couldn't tell you exactly what

1734
01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:18.439
gun it was.

1735
01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:21.159
But Dwight' hitting everything with this. So he says, you know,

1736
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:24.079
that's that's the gun for you and basically tells him

1737
01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:26.000
that you know, hey, man, like you know, I'll sit

1738
01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:29.159
you up SOMERI some extra AMMO, but like this vengeance

1739
01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:32.159
business is ugly. Like I'm normally I would be, you know,

1740
01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:34.119
here for you, but like this is ugly man.

1741
01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:35.960
Well, well, he says, like I don't mind being here

1742
01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:38.720
for you, but like this isn't okay, Like this is ugly.

1743
01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:41.399
We're business like That's what he's basically saying, Like I'm

1744
01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:43.000
I'm here for you, I'm your friend and everything, but

1745
01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:45.359
this is hideous. Yeah, what we're doing is not okay,

1746
01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:47.920
And then he gives them some really interesting advice, which

1747
01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:50.960
is he says, this is personal for you when you

1748
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:55.439
get in there. Don't talk, don't don't don't, don't explain things,

1749
01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:57.359
don't try to whatever. He's like, that gets you killed.

1750
01:18:57.399 --> 01:18:59.479
Just shoot you, just shoot. And I thought that was

1751
01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:02.920
a really brilliant point two. I mean, like, if because

1752
01:19:02.920 --> 01:19:06.920
it's personal, you're more likely to fail. Yeah, and he

1753
01:19:07.039 --> 01:19:09.960
takes that somewhat to heart at first, a little bit so.

1754
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:12.800
And he also tells Ben to burn the polaroid of

1755
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:13.840
him in this and then.

1756
01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:15.119
If he finds, he's like, please burn it.

1757
01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:16.720
And we see him in the in his kitchen and

1758
01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:18.800
join a beer and puts the polaroid in the microwave

1759
01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:20.079
and just smokes that some bitch.

1760
01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:22.000
Yeah, it just it's just gone zo.

1761
01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:24.479
So he drives off and we see Ben is in

1762
01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:26.600
his truck and he tries to start it, but nothing happens.

1763
01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:28.640
He goes around front to see that Dwight remove his battery,

1764
01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:30.520
which we cut to Dwight's car and the batteries right

1765
01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:31.399
behind Dwight's seat.

1766
01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:33.279
I figured he did that so we wouldn't follow him. Yeah,

1767
01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:34.960
that's exactly why I figured.

1768
01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:47.079
Do you even move, he will be right back welcome

1769
01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:51.279
back to Do You Even movie?

1770
01:19:54.039 --> 01:19:56.159
So that's when Dwight decides that he is just going

1771
01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:59.159
to go straight to the Cleveland's house. And he gets there,

1772
01:19:59.479 --> 01:20:02.800
he sneaks round back and kicks in the door and

1773
01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:03.800
they are not home.

1774
01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:06.239
I did find out what kind of firearm it is.

1775
01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:09.000
It's a rossy circuit judge, which he does mention that

1776
01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:11.159
name what he's going through the Judge. Yeah, and I

1777
01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:14.560
was rot it's a four to ten or a forty

1778
01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:18.560
five long Colt, which is a you can in a

1779
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:20.960
forty five long colt firearm. You can use four ten

1780
01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:24.319
shotgun rounds, yeah, or you can use the long colt.

1781
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:28.319
It became more famous as a gun called the Judge,

1782
01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:31.760
which is a revolver pistol. Well, it's a revolver pistol,

1783
01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:32.720
but you could put.

1784
01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:35.800
Even says that thing takes slugs, but you wouldn't hit

1785
01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:36.319
any You wouldn't.

1786
01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:38.560
Yeah, and he's like, but you only have five shots? Yeah,

1787
01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:41.159
but so which is, you know, not a lot for

1788
01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:42.479
a guy who doesn't know a lot about gun.

1789
01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:44.159
So he's kicked in the door, he's going around the

1790
01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:46.640
house of the gun. They're not home, So what's his

1791
01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:49.800
first instinct is to remove all the firearms from the.

1792
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:53.119
House, and there are plenty of plenty of them. He

1793
01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:55.520
just piles them up on a bed sheet.

1794
01:20:55.439 --> 01:20:57.720
Rolls them up, and throws them into the lake that's

1795
01:20:57.800 --> 01:20:58.399
right by the house.

1796
01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:00.520
Yep, whatever it is out.

1797
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:03.439
So that's when you know, this is where I really

1798
01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:06.760
really appreciate the way that they show this because he

1799
01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:09.960
does not wait until just dark. He waits two days

1800
01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:11.800
in this house for them to return home, which is

1801
01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:16.119
drinking water and also looking up at their pictures like

1802
01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:18.359
he's he's he's learning things about the family a little

1803
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:20.720
bit that or reaffirming what he already knew.

1804
01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:23.479
Yeah, and remember Teddy had referenced before he died that

1805
01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:29.960
his sister is bossy, bossy and most Yeah. So that's

1806
01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:32.039
when you know he decides that he's just going to

1807
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:35.000
wait this out. And he eventually picks up the number

1808
01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:37.119
of the house, goes outside on his phone and calls them,

1809
01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:39.840
leaves an answer machine message and basically says, you know,

1810
01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:43.039
Teddy's dead, waits dead, and as far as I'm concerned,

1811
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:45.239
that's two of mine and two of yours. This can

1812
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:47.399
be done or we can keep going. Well, he says,

1813
01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:49.199
this can be done. All I ask is that you

1814
01:21:49.359 --> 01:21:52.800
don't come after my sister. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so uh,

1815
01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:55.399
now they come home. They come home.

1816
01:21:55.479 --> 01:21:59.000
So before this has happened, we've seen him waiting and everything,

1817
01:21:59.319 --> 01:22:01.560
just around the corner and whatnot. So he's posted up

1818
01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:04.520
at this point they come home, he hears the car

1819
01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:06.560
and he just hides around the corner, and he's also

1820
01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:08.640
left the message on this machine. By the point, yes,

1821
01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:11.119
so they come in immediately or no. He calls the

1822
01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:12.680
house so that they'll go to the phone, right, which

1823
01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:14.600
I always love. So he calls the house, they go

1824
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:16.680
to the phone, they play the message, and that's when

1825
01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:18.079
he says the thing about you know, I just want

1826
01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:20.239
my sister left out of this. While this is happening,

1827
01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:22.239
he is right around the corner with his gun.

1828
01:22:22.119 --> 01:22:26.079
Directly behind him. But as that as it's the voicemails

1829
01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:29.319
or the answer machine is explaining everything, yeah, he stops

1830
01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:31.720
aiming at them because he wants to see how they reacted.

1831
01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:33.520
And then the one brother is just like, that's when

1832
01:22:33.560 --> 01:22:35.600
we're driving to Ptompert the first place, where go that's

1833
01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:37.840
we're heading straight to Pittsburgh. Kill that bitch.

1834
01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:39.640
Pops around the corner and blows him away.

1835
01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:43.079
Yeah. Well one shot, yeah, two shots and he's gone. Yeah,

1836
01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:46.880
and it is very sudden, very tense. Yeah. And at

1837
01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:52.359
that point it's just the mayhem is is stilted. Yeah.

1838
01:22:52.359 --> 01:22:54.720
And we also see that William, he did not know

1839
01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:57.640
was with them, has in the doorway hearing all this.

1840
01:22:57.720 --> 01:22:59.680
So he goes back out to the car and grabs the.

1841
01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:01.840
Shotgu because they were hunting, they were on a hunting trip.

1842
01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:04.960
Yeah, So that's when he basically tells them, you know,

1843
01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:07.199
like I want this to end, and this is this

1844
01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:09.159
is tonight, like this your all are going to have

1845
01:23:09.159 --> 01:23:10.800
to die, like we're all going to have to die

1846
01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:11.399
basically as.

1847
01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:13.479
Well, he says, there was a line that I thought

1848
01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:15.640
was really important. He said something along the lines of

1849
01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:18.720
like I wish they'd killed me or something like that, Yeah,

1850
01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:21.399
you uh will will kill you. You should have or something

1851
01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:23.119
like that, I hope you do or something or I

1852
01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:26.520
hope I wish, I wish you would have. Yeah, And

1853
01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:29.920
and I think that's a really important element too, because,

1854
01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:33.920
like I said, everything about this movie has been about

1855
01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:36.800
being realistic, even if it if at first, like with

1856
01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:39.000
the removing the arrow, he thought he could do it,

1857
01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:41.720
but then he realistically he goes to the hospital instead

1858
01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:43.760
of passing out in his car or some shit. Yeah,

1859
01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:47.960
same thing here. He's like, everything he's done, he's expected

1860
01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:51.920
to die doing. And in a way, if Wade Junior

1861
01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:53.840
had killed him back. He even says when he went

1862
01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:57.479
after he's like, I thought he'd kill me. Yeah, he really,

1863
01:23:58.199 --> 01:23:59.600
And this is where I love the movie but I

1864
01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:02.159
hate them. He really just wants to be out of

1865
01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:05.720
his own misery because he was he was clearly just

1866
01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:09.680
skating by living as a beach bum because he didn't

1867
01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:11.720
really value much. But he didn't want to die, no,

1868
01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:16.479
he just whatever. Yeah, now after the killer of his

1869
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:19.279
parents has been released, and now he has this need

1870
01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:22.279
for vengeance, this need for justice, this need for whatever

1871
01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:26.199
the hell. Yeah, he can't help it, no, And I

1872
01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:29.640
think that's why he wanted to die, because he felt

1873
01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:35.399
this innate need, you know, a compulsion to go after them,

1874
01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:37.279
and he knew that he couldn't stop it.

1875
01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:39.359
Well, and he also says that, you know, I don't

1876
01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:43.119
understand why my dad loved your mom, Like this was

1877
01:24:43.159 --> 01:24:44.560
never anything bad, it was.

1878
01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:46.399
I don't why my dad loving your mom.

1879
01:24:48.199 --> 01:24:50.119
Yeah. So by this point William is back in the

1880
01:24:50.119 --> 01:24:51.920
house and we see. One of my favorite shots of

1881
01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:53.680
the movie is Williams in the doorway of the shotgun.

1882
01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:56.840
We pan across this mantle that's decked with all their

1883
01:24:56.880 --> 01:24:59.399
photos of the of the family all having guns for

1884
01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:00.000
the most part too.

1885
01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:02.439
Yeah, I mean they're they're clearly a hunting fanily Yeah,

1886
01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:04.399
and then a little bit more. Yeah.

1887
01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:06.319
That last pan as we get to the last photo

1888
01:25:06.399 --> 01:25:08.359
is william coming around with the shotgun, the new blood

1889
01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:10.960
of the family basically, and he gets a shot into

1890
01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:13.199
Dwight hits him right in the side and then.

1891
01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:15.720
With shot knocks actually I think it was bird shot. Yeah.

1892
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:17.760
Then Dwight knocks the gun up. It's getting the last

1893
01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:19.960
shot out, and he's like, as far as i'm I think,

1894
01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:22.079
if I can count, right, you have less shots than

1895
01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:22.319
I do.

1896
01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:24.600
Yeah, because he had a double barrel shotguns, so it's

1897
01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:27.720
empty and uh and now Dwight has the gun. But

1898
01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:29.399
the young guy, they say kill and kill him, and

1899
01:25:29.399 --> 01:25:30.039
he says, I don't want to.

1900
01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:31.399
Kill want to kill him, Yeah, I don't want to

1901
01:25:31.439 --> 01:25:33.399
kill him. And that's when Dwight tells him to leave.

1902
01:25:33.479 --> 01:25:36.079
My car's down the road, you know, get out of here.

1903
01:25:36.119 --> 01:25:38.479
Well, but but the way he says it because he's

1904
01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:40.920
like he's bleeding now, and he actually says, like this

1905
01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:42.760
hurt a lot less bad than the era, and he's

1906
01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:44.680
kind of laughing about that, but he says, like my

1907
01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:46.439
cars are there, you know, the keys or whatever. He says,

1908
01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:49.640
but you know, be careful. It's it's dark and it

1909
01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:51.960
might be hard to but like go go do that,

1910
01:25:52.119 --> 01:25:52.920
like get out of here.

1911
01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:56.119
Yeah, and then reveals that Will is the half brother

1912
01:25:56.319 --> 01:25:59.720
to Dwight. Well, well, Dwight reveals that, yeah, which means

1913
01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:00.640
that dwy I just knew.

1914
01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:01.159
Yeah.

1915
01:26:01.239 --> 01:26:03.159
I think I think he knew from the way Teddy

1916
01:26:03.239 --> 01:26:05.560
referred to him as just a boy. Yeah. And also,

1917
01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:09.520
but I think especially the age, because there was a

1918
01:26:09.560 --> 01:26:13.560
reference when Teddy was talking, or one of them was talking,

1919
01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:15.560
I think was Teddy was talking about his dad. He said, like,

1920
01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:17.880
the man loved to smoke, he loved to drink, and well,

1921
01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:19.800
if it weren't for the cancer, he would have fucked.

1922
01:26:19.800 --> 01:26:21.960
He would have fucked. Yeah, And and but that sets

1923
01:26:22.039 --> 01:26:24.279
up like, then, how is there a brother so young?

1924
01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:25.840
Yeah, that makes sense.

1925
01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:29.720
And honestly that probably what gave away that there was

1926
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.640
an affair going on was a pregnancy. Yeah, that probably

1927
01:26:32.680 --> 01:26:35.960
is a dead result. Yeah. So so now you're realizing

1928
01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:39.520
that the one person who will likely survive is the

1929
01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:43.720
intersection of all of this. So Hope goes to attack Dwhite.

1930
01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:45.800
She gets shot and killed, and that's when Chris the

1931
01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:49.520
mother reaches under the autom and grabs a freaking Tech nine, a.

1932
01:26:49.359 --> 01:26:51.479
Tech nine submachine gun.

1933
01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:54.800
And and a true.

1934
01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:59.479
Ghetto blaster firearm a A, I mean, just full automatic.

1935
01:27:01.279 --> 01:27:03.039
I was not expecting that it was it was it

1936
01:27:03.079 --> 01:27:06.319
was underneath the reclining chair. Yeah.

1937
01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:08.600
She just tips it over, grabs it, grabs it, and

1938
01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:10.920
he gets the last shot off. And we see this

1939
01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:12.840
happen because Williams walking away from the house and he

1940
01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:15.000
hears both shots right, and we also see the light

1941
01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:17.439
in the house. So then Williams walking down the road.

1942
01:27:17.439 --> 01:27:19.439
He's still holding the shotgun, which he throws to the side.

1943
01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:21.880
He walks off into the night. Dwight's laying in his

1944
01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:24.560
own podal blood and he's just like Keyser in the car.

1945
01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:27.119
Keyser in the car like repeating that yeah and then

1946
01:27:27.199 --> 01:27:30.600
passes yeah. And he dies right there, and that's when

1947
01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:34.039
we cut over to uh Sam's house. The next day,

1948
01:27:34.279 --> 01:27:38.000
mail slot opens, the postcard comes through and that is

1949
01:27:38.439 --> 01:27:41.359
twenty thirteen's Blue Ruin, a movie that.

1950
01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:46.640
Was I held in high regard and was shockingly better. Yeah,

1951
01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:49.079
then I remembered, which doesn't make any sense because, like

1952
01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:50.640
I said, I held it in the high regard. I

1953
01:27:50.640 --> 01:27:54.439
felt that it was a phenomenal, perfect yeah movie, and

1954
01:27:54.920 --> 01:27:58.600
it's rare that a movie. So I mean, like a

1955
01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:01.000
it's a very low budget movie. I know some people simple,

1956
01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:04.279
but I know some people. I know that they raised

1957
01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:07.800
thirty five thousand dollars on Kickstarter and that Sollner put

1958
01:28:07.800 --> 01:28:10.199
in some of his own savings. Yeah, but you know

1959
01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:11.880
some people I know you said, like there was a

1960
01:28:11.920 --> 01:28:14.479
claim that the budget was four hundred thousand dollars.

1961
01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:14.840
Yeah.

1962
01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:16.760
I don't know if I believe that, unless maybe that

1963
01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:19.920
was post production funds that like Anchor Bay or somebody

1964
01:28:20.199 --> 01:28:25.880
threw in. But like for a relatively cheap movie, incredibly photographed,

1965
01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:30.399
incredibly well acted, and very well thought out, and it

1966
01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:35.439
just it just knocked me on my ass a second time. Yeah,

1967
01:28:35.479 --> 01:28:39.159
and I man, I just can't say enough about this.

1968
01:28:39.239 --> 01:28:41.800
If you haven't watched the movie, even with all that

1969
01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:44.119
we gave you, and we do warn you at the

1970
01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:46.640
beginning of the show in the narration. There's still plenty

1971
01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:48.960
of oilers, but there's so much to it because it's

1972
01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:51.800
not it's kind of like, it's not just what happened,

1973
01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:53.119
it's how it happened.

1974
01:28:52.840 --> 01:28:55.520
How it happens, how it looks, the editing. I mean,

1975
01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:58.439
this is this is a movie that is shot, edited,

1976
01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:00.399
scored beautiful well.

1977
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:03.640
And it's like. One of my favorite movies of the

1978
01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:08.560
last you know, decade is Cecaria. And I remember when

1979
01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:12.720
I went to show Rachel Sacario. I was so ampty

1980
01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:14.279
to come out on home video because I saw in

1981
01:29:14.359 --> 01:29:16.079
the theater and we had a great time watching it.

1982
01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:17.800
And she was like, well, what's it like? And I

1983
01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:20.319
was like, I'll put it to you this way. Everyone

1984
01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:23.720
dies and I haven't spoiled it. She was like, whoa.

1985
01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:26.600
And that's the way I feel about Sacario too. Is

1986
01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:30.439
that and Cario and Cacario Part two, is that you

1987
01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:34.279
could know basically what's going to happen, but it's it's

1988
01:29:34.319 --> 01:29:37.359
how it happens that makes it such a great feat

1989
01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:41.680
of filmmaking and why it truly launched the careers of

1990
01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:46.000
making Blair and Jeremy Soliner and I cannot my you know,

1991
01:29:46.479 --> 01:29:50.279
little micro budget filmmaker heart goes out to this film

1992
01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:54.960
because I love that it gifted both of them the

1993
01:29:55.039 --> 01:29:58.279
career they deserve, that it made Macon Blair an actor

1994
01:29:58.479 --> 01:30:00.880
in major movies who now was a director in his

1995
01:30:00.880 --> 01:30:02.319
own right and a very talented one.

1996
01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:04.359
Oh I don't feel at home in this world anymore.

1997
01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:07.239
I just watched recently, and I cannot recommend that movie enough.

1998
01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:09.520
It has an exact feel of like Blue Ruin and

1999
01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:12.760
Green Room, with that humor that's sprinkled in there, but.

2000
01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:16.039
Really like just off kilter. It's it's such a good movie,

2001
01:30:16.239 --> 01:30:18.680
such a great film.

2002
01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:29.680
Do You Even movie will be right back, welcome back

2003
01:30:29.720 --> 01:30:34.279
to do you Even movie?

2004
01:30:36.319 --> 01:30:41.760
So Blue Ruin is just an absolute top notch film. Yes,

2005
01:30:42.119 --> 01:30:44.960
And so I want to know more things because well,

2006
01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:46.119
you did your research.

2007
01:30:46.199 --> 01:30:48.680
I did my research. I watched the film with the commentary,

2008
01:30:48.760 --> 01:30:50.720
which I cannot recommend enough. But like I said, this

2009
01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:52.479
is a little tough to get with the current release

2010
01:30:52.520 --> 01:30:54.960
of it. But the commentary has Sauner and Blair on

2011
01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:57.680
it both. There's also some deleted scenes and a like

2012
01:30:57.720 --> 01:31:00.439
a thirty minute making of so the budget, acording to

2013
01:31:00.439 --> 01:31:03.119
Wikipedia and IMDb, is four hundred and twenty thousand dollars.

2014
01:31:03.399 --> 01:31:06.520
Opening weekend was April twenty seventh of twenty fourteen, where

2015
01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:09.800
it took in thirty two thousand. Gross of US and

2016
01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:12.920
Canada is two hundred and fifty eight thousand gross. Worldwide

2017
01:31:12.960 --> 01:31:14.399
is nine hundred and ninety three thousand.

2018
01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:16.439
And this was a not a major release. It was

2019
01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:19.520
it was an indie release, and I wish I could

2020
01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:20.680
have caught it in the theater. I don't think it

2021
01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:22.520
screened anywhere near it might have. It might have showed

2022
01:31:22.560 --> 01:31:25.159
in Columbus or something on I don't think it even

2023
01:31:25.159 --> 01:31:26.920
got there. I mean, you gotta remember this is early

2024
01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:30.399
on in the digital conversion. Yeah, a lot of theaters

2025
01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:34.159
were still were still resisting it somewhat so cause I

2026
01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:38.800
feel like the full blown digital conversion being basically you

2027
01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:41.039
either do it or you die, or you be the

2028
01:31:41.079 --> 01:31:43.840
mahoning and make it work because you're just a brilliant

2029
01:31:44.119 --> 01:31:47.079
team and a brilliant drive in h was really like

2030
01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:49.600
around fifteen sixteen was when it was like, Okay, it's

2031
01:31:49.680 --> 01:31:51.720
just all digital all the time, because that's when Danberry

2032
01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:54.439
switched to digital and everybody was shocked they were able

2033
01:31:54.439 --> 01:31:56.520
to do it. I was not because as much as

2034
01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:59.239
I loved the Danburry Dollar Save Rest in Peace. I

2035
01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:02.760
remember seeing the Joker there one time and going, wow,

2036
01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:06.479
they have this on like economy mode on It's oh dude, no.

2037
01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:09.079
Like when Mom and I went to see Oceans, what

2038
01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:11.159
was the one that was the all female cast eight

2039
01:32:11.279 --> 01:32:11.960
as Ocean's Eight.

2040
01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:12.880
I think it was Ocean's eight.

2041
01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:14.880
I went out to the lobby several times because I

2042
01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:16.520
was like, Hey, the movie's really dark. Oh yeah, we'll

2043
01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:17.840
get to that never changed.

2044
01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:19.319
I don't know if it was that they were playing

2045
01:32:19.359 --> 01:32:22.119
it in eco mode yeah, which is what like home

2046
01:32:22.399 --> 01:32:25.680
projectors have, or if it was or if it was

2047
01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:28.199
just that the bulbs were old and dimming. It could be.

2048
01:32:29.239 --> 01:32:31.079
You know, your mileage may vary, but it was still

2049
01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:32.319
fun to see movies in the big screen.

2050
01:32:32.359 --> 01:32:34.720
So the film itself was shot in Virginia and Delaware.

2051
01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:37.920
One of the establishing shots on an ocean wide boardwalk

2052
01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:41.640
was filmed in Rebeth Beach, Delaware. It depicts Dolly's iconic

2053
01:32:41.680 --> 01:32:44.840
and instantly recognizable lighted sign. Dolly's is a known locally

2054
01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:48.359
for their saltwater taffy and long history of Rebideaux Boardwalk.

2055
01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:51.239
Dwight is initially living in his car inside Cape Hanilton

2056
01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:53.840
State Park outside of Los Delaware, a few miles from

2057
01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:55.119
Rebeho beach Man.

2058
01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:57.840
That's wild that they actually shot it where they takes place,

2059
01:32:57.840 --> 01:32:59.840
because yeah, he starts in Delaware and then he goes

2060
01:32:59.880 --> 01:33:02.319
to Virginia where his sisters man they really shot and

2061
01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:03.159
that's really cool.

2062
01:33:03.319 --> 01:33:05.199
I love that blue ruin is a reference to the

2063
01:33:05.199 --> 01:33:07.399
blue and ruined Pontiac, the car home of Dwight.

2064
01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:14.680
I never even ah ah, that's I I never. I

2065
01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:18.199
just thought because blue is like sad, debt, desolate, and

2066
01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:21.520
then there's the ruin of whatever. But that's perfect. The

2067
01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:24.319
blue ruin is the car. Yep, fuck okay, yeah yeah.

2068
01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:27.399
Sawner funded production on the film through a successful Kickstarter campaign,

2069
01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:32.000
which MTD called the perfect example of what crowdfunding can't accomplish.

2070
01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:33.920
Especially because it was still somewhat young. Yeah.

2071
01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:36.079
Ben Gaffney Devin rat Ray is based on a real

2072
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:38.960
high school friend of director Jeremy Soulner. Solner contacted the

2073
01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:40.640
real Ben while he was writing the script to get

2074
01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:43.720
an accurate representation of Ben's moral views and gun collection.

2075
01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:47.239
I hope to one day be that friend. Yeah.

2076
01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:50.000
At one time, Benny mentions, ducha who got hit by

2077
01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:50.319
a train.

2078
01:33:50.399 --> 01:33:51.279
This is al friendship.

2079
01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:53.560
This is a reference to l Ducha, lead singer of

2080
01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:56.319
punk hardcore band The Mentors, who claimed Courtney Love offered

2081
01:33:56.359 --> 01:33:58.600
him fifty thousand to kill Kurt Cobain. He appeared in

2082
01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:01.640
Nick Broomfield's Curt and Courtney documentary and died under mysterious

2083
01:34:01.640 --> 01:34:03.520
circumstances after he made these claims.

2084
01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:06.239
So that was one of my favorite Easter eggs. I

2085
01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:08.359
didn't remember from the first time I watched it. Yeah,

2086
01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:11.079
was when he says, right around the time Ducea died. Yeah,

2087
01:34:11.199 --> 01:34:14.359
so el Ducha, if I remember correctly, died in nineteen

2088
01:34:14.439 --> 01:34:19.800
ninety seven. Wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, he died nineteen ninety seven.

2089
01:34:20.119 --> 01:34:24.960
He was sleeping on railroad tracks. So some people believe

2090
01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:27.920
he may have been murdered. He was in one of

2091
01:34:27.960 --> 01:34:31.880
the most the most deeply like I don't even how to described.

2092
01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:34.199
The BMRC went after the Mentors pretty bad.

2093
01:34:34.399 --> 01:34:37.960
Well. The Mentors, unlike a lot of other groups, they

2094
01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:40.760
relished the idea they were I mean, they called themselves

2095
01:34:40.800 --> 01:34:43.399
the Mentors as an insult. They were like, oh, yeah,

2096
01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:46.319
we're the Mentors. People look up to us. But their

2097
01:34:46.399 --> 01:34:51.239
songs were heinous. They were about not always about violence

2098
01:34:51.239 --> 01:34:52.520
sort of. There were only a few songs that were

2099
01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:55.960
like they were mostly about just total subjugation of women.

2100
01:34:56.840 --> 01:34:59.399
I mean songs like Mother Daughter Team and Suck Me

2101
01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:02.479
for and there. If you like listening to stuff that's

2102
01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:03.560
so bad, it's funny.

2103
01:35:03.800 --> 01:35:07.319
And also that documentary came out recently, the Tapes.

2104
01:35:07.399 --> 01:35:09.920
I watched it. Yeah, and uh, it's interesting because he

2105
01:35:10.039 --> 01:35:15.199
was he was a really odd person. He was not unintelligent, yeah,

2106
01:35:15.199 --> 01:35:17.119
but he was also like he was such a drunk

2107
01:35:17.560 --> 01:35:19.600
that it was hard to tell. He was actually well

2108
01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:22.800
liked for being a guy who was just like not

2109
01:35:22.840 --> 01:35:24.439
only like kind of a piece of shit, but he

2110
01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:28.199
also like wanted to be a piece of shit, Like

2111
01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:30.840
that was his whole thing. Most famously went on Jerry

2112
01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:34.159
Springer with war and but but when people would say, like,

2113
01:35:34.399 --> 01:35:36.199
do you think it's okay if someone listens to your

2114
01:35:36.279 --> 01:35:38.279
music and decides to rape Somebody'd be like, yeah, I

2115
01:35:38.279 --> 01:35:40.319
love it, And people were like frothing at the mouse.

2116
01:35:40.560 --> 01:35:42.359
He was just being he was such a I mean

2117
01:35:42.520 --> 01:35:44.920
the fact that the documentary from twenty fourteen, the Mentors

2118
01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:48.479
Kings of Sleeves, Yeah, I mean yeah, so anyway, but

2119
01:35:48.520 --> 01:35:51.159
I also want to mention that their album they they

2120
01:35:51.399 --> 01:35:54.359
they got back together as a band a few years

2121
01:35:54.399 --> 01:35:58.680
after the Mentors died, and they did a song on

2122
01:35:58.760 --> 01:36:01.159
the album over the Top, which was after he died.

2123
01:36:01.199 --> 01:36:05.039
I believe they did. I know they did a song.

2124
01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:06.239
I can't find the exact name, but they did a

2125
01:36:06.319 --> 01:36:09.600
song called something like Don't Lay on the Yeah, which

2126
01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:11.279
is just like that tells you everything you need to

2127
01:36:11.319 --> 01:36:14.000
know about about the band, about what how they feel

2128
01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:19.720
about just everything. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, Ben.

2129
01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:21.640
Gaffney has a tattoo on his left inner forearm of

2130
01:36:21.680 --> 01:36:24.159
an electric chainsaw, which is a reference to Jeremy Solnder's

2131
01:36:24.159 --> 01:36:25.560
film Murder Party.

2132
01:36:25.319 --> 01:36:28.239
Oh Man That chainsaw all painless yep.

2133
01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:30.800
Jeremy Sounder revealed in A Q and A that the

2134
01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:32.520
reason the Pontiac has bolt holes in it at the

2135
01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:34.159
beginning of the story is because it is the same

2136
01:36:34.199 --> 01:36:36.840
car that Dwight's parents were murdered in by Big Wade Cleland.

2137
01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:40.239
I mean, there's a lot to this film. Yeah, I

2138
01:36:40.279 --> 01:36:40.600
love it.

2139
01:36:40.640 --> 01:36:43.000
Ben Twel tells Dwight the speeches will get him killed.

2140
01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:44.960
In the end, Dwight's speech is what gets him shot

2141
01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:48.840
by William and eventually dying Blue ruined temporary faut originally,

2142
01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:51.840
but when the film went to festival, Solner was nervous

2143
01:36:51.840 --> 01:36:53.560
about changing the font, so he didn't. So the font

2144
01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:55.159
at the beginning of the movie was not what he wanted.

2145
01:36:55.159 --> 01:36:56.560
He just kept it when it went to festival.

2146
01:36:56.600 --> 01:36:58.840
Oh that's funny. Yeah, yeah, I didn't want to change it. Well,

2147
01:36:59.119 --> 01:37:01.479
I get that to a spec. Actually, you have your first,

2148
01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:04.079
like real serious hit. Yeah, it's like, I'm not going

2149
01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:06.319
to change an an iota. I no, Like, we have

2150
01:37:06.359 --> 01:37:09.079
a hit, I'm not gonna In the immortal words of

2151
01:37:09.119 --> 01:37:10.600
Roger Corman, don't fuck with a winner.

2152
01:37:10.520 --> 01:37:13.399
Kidah, there you go. The opening scene was originally going

2153
01:37:13.439 --> 01:37:15.840
to be more elaborate, with Blair's character avoiding the family

2154
01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:18.439
around the house. However, due to a wire fraud scandal,

2155
01:37:18.479 --> 01:37:20.920
the location was forced to be changed at the last minute.

2156
01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:23.439
Holy crap, Yeah that's a story.

2157
01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:27.039
A five foot camera slider was used for most of

2158
01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:28.600
the shot where Dwright returns to the car. So that

2159
01:37:28.600 --> 01:37:29.960
little slide is a camera slider.

2160
01:37:30.239 --> 01:37:31.159
Oh yeah, it makes sense.

2161
01:37:31.359 --> 01:37:34.279
Sidney Anderson, who plays Officer Eddie, was actually not licensed

2162
01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:36.239
to drive a vehicle in the state, which Sauner wasn't

2163
01:37:36.279 --> 01:37:38.239
aware of until her day of filming. As a result,

2164
01:37:38.319 --> 01:37:40.159
any of her driving scenes caused the car to be

2165
01:37:40.159 --> 01:37:41.239
physically moved around.

2166
01:37:41.319 --> 01:37:43.279
I've had that happen. I've been on movies where an

2167
01:37:43.279 --> 01:37:45.560
actor was like, in the scripture said they drive a car,

2168
01:37:45.560 --> 01:37:47.319
and they're like, I don't have a driver's license. Is

2169
01:37:47.359 --> 01:37:50.760
that a problem? We're like, uh boy.

2170
01:37:50.920 --> 01:37:53.079
The first shot of principal Photography is the scene of

2171
01:37:53.159 --> 01:37:56.079
Dwight buying the map at the store. Okay, the car

2172
01:37:56.199 --> 01:37:58.840
is Sawner's parents' car. The car was in pristine condition

2173
01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:00.800
and required the art department to do their magic to

2174
01:38:00.840 --> 01:38:04.000
it to give it the look of course. Sauner commented

2175
01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:05.960
that the lawn drawn out takes of Dwight are key

2176
01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:08.520
to his character and motivation of Dwight being unprepared.

2177
01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:12.800
Yeah. I just have no complaints with how they did anything.

2178
01:38:12.960 --> 01:38:15.560
Handheld camera was used in the bathroom attack scene due

2179
01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:17.960
to the shooting space available, but also made the scene

2180
01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:19.880
more intimate for the attack.

2181
01:38:20.119 --> 01:38:24.520
I would agree, I mean that scene so tense and unpleasant.

2182
01:38:24.800 --> 01:38:28.359
Sandy, the actor who plays Wade Junior, was actually choking

2183
01:38:28.399 --> 01:38:30.760
Macon during the bathroom attack, and Macon had to remind

2184
01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:32.600
him several times that they could just fake it, but

2185
01:38:32.640 --> 01:38:35.199
Sandy choked him a couple more times before Jeerremy Sonder

2186
01:38:35.239 --> 01:38:37.960
had to step in cheez well, I mean you know actors, man,

2187
01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:40.840
they'll do that. Yeah, they'll choke you. Originally, the Clevelands

2188
01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:42.600
were supposed to come over. One of the Clevelands was

2189
01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:44.920
supposed to come over the hill twa chasing Dwight when

2190
01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:46.560
he pulled over to the side and let William out.

2191
01:38:46.640 --> 01:38:48.039
So originally one of them was still going to be

2192
01:38:48.039 --> 01:38:50.399
coming over the hill running at them, which they had filmed,

2193
01:38:50.439 --> 01:38:51.920
but they took it out the last second because they

2194
01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:53.039
were like, it's kind of silly.

2195
01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:55.159
I like the way they did it. Instead.

2196
01:38:55.520 --> 01:38:58.279
Sawner's daughter's make an appearance in the film as Sam's daughters.

2197
01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:00.840
I mean there are four. Yeah.

2198
01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:03.079
The most expensive effect in the movie was the fake

2199
01:39:03.159 --> 01:39:05.680
leg when Dwight is doing the operation on his leg

2200
01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:06.319
for the arrow.

2201
01:39:06.720 --> 01:39:10.199
I mean, it's I believe it because it's so effective. Yeah,

2202
01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:10.960
it's believable.

2203
01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:13.680
One of Sauner's proudest low budget lighting moments was the

2204
01:39:13.680 --> 01:39:15.880
initial meeting of Dwight and Benny. The two lights are

2205
01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:18.000
used for the mains, while natural lighting is used for

2206
01:39:18.039 --> 01:39:19.720
the rest. He also mentioned that the sound in that

2207
01:39:19.760 --> 01:39:21.960
scene was hell because there was a train right above them.

2208
01:39:22.159 --> 01:39:26.000
Ah, the light especially when and sound mixing before AI tools.

2209
01:39:26.079 --> 01:39:29.680
Yeah, the polaroid melting shot in the microwave took over

2210
01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:32.079
a month to complete and cause Jeremy Soner to have

2211
01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:34.720
to reach out to forty different people to get it finalized.

2212
01:39:35.800 --> 01:39:39.800
Okay, Yeah, I don't know why. Mirror filming inside a

2213
01:39:39.840 --> 01:39:44.319
microwave while it's actually going, Yeah, can be tricky because

2214
01:39:44.359 --> 01:39:45.760
you don't want to damage the camera.

2215
01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:48.439
Makes sense, Yeah, mer refracting device was used for the

2216
01:39:48.479 --> 01:39:50.520
finale to mimic the headlights approaching the house.

2217
01:39:50.680 --> 01:39:52.439
Oh yeah, I've seen that trick done before a lot.

2218
01:39:53.199 --> 01:39:56.720
By the way, that's a popular wave of simulating headlights

2219
01:39:56.800 --> 01:39:59.680
driving by in daytime scenes. Yeah. Is you get a

2220
01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:02.560
really strong reflector and you spin it so like if

2221
01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:05.119
you're in, like say a diner, so you could just

2222
01:40:05.159 --> 01:40:07.560
get that little light pass every now and then you

2223
01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:10.199
just slowly spin it and it points the sun. That

2224
01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:12.880
makes sense, It looks It's very convincing. Yeah.

2225
01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:15.359
And finally the legacy shot at the end as we

2226
01:40:15.439 --> 01:40:19.439
pan over the Cleveland's family, that was his legacy shot

2227
01:40:19.479 --> 01:40:21.560
because he wanted it to be the completion of both

2228
01:40:21.600 --> 01:40:23.880
seeing them go through the stages of the family having

2229
01:40:23.920 --> 01:40:25.640
it and with William, and then having William throw the

2230
01:40:25.640 --> 01:40:28.520
gun at the end was the conclusion to the Cleveland's.

2231
01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:32.159
That makes sense. Yeah, do you Even?

2232
01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:42.760
Movie? Will be right back. Welcome back to do You

2233
01:40:43.039 --> 01:40:43.840
Even movie?

2234
01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:50.279
So what are your final thoughts?

2235
01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:52.720
Well? On twenty thirteen's Blue Ruin, did you get anything

2236
01:40:52.720 --> 01:40:53.920
about how they thought it was going to be their

2237
01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:55.920
last film or the last film they did? Oh, because

2238
01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:56.760
that was on the Wikipedia.

2239
01:40:56.840 --> 01:40:58.880
Yeah, No, I didn't get that it he mentioned that commentary.

2240
01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:02.239
Uh yeah, I want to mention that real quick, because

2241
01:41:02.399 --> 01:41:05.119
that's something that really stuck with me. When they wanted

2242
01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:06.840
to make this movie, they kind of felt like they

2243
01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:09.039
hadn't had the success that they would have liked with

2244
01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:11.279
their first film, which I mean, I don't blame them

2245
01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:15.239
for being disappointed. The Friggin' Murder Party such a great film. Yeah,

2246
01:41:15.359 --> 01:41:17.199
But according to this, it said the two wanted to

2247
01:41:17.199 --> 01:41:20.560
make one last film together. Solner said, quote, we embraced

2248
01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:23.039
the fact that we had to wrap up this childhood arc,

2249
01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:26.600
this insane fantasy of wanting to be filmmakers and just

2250
01:41:26.680 --> 01:41:30.359
make a film that was right and true. The concept

2251
01:41:30.359 --> 01:41:32.479
of a revenge story appealed to Sollner, who said it

2252
01:41:32.560 --> 01:41:35.640
was quote just about grounding the film in a very

2253
01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:39.760
mundane scenario that needed so little exposition. The film's plot

2254
01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:41.720
also serves as a critique for Solener of films that

2255
01:41:41.760 --> 01:41:44.760
he enjoyed growing up, in particular violent crime movies of

2256
01:41:44.760 --> 01:41:47.720
the early twenty tens. That quote made him miserable, and

2257
01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:49.840
he said, quote couldn't do a film that was akin

2258
01:41:49.920 --> 01:41:53.479
to those awesome genre spectacles of my youth. In said climate,

2259
01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:58.720
So they thought that this might be their last, the last,

2260
01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:01.760
although not nearly to the level of success. Yeah. I mean,

2261
01:42:01.800 --> 01:42:03.439
I've not made a Hollywood movie. I don't know that

2262
01:42:03.520 --> 01:42:05.560
I will. I don't know that I care too. But

2263
01:42:05.640 --> 01:42:07.439
that's whatever I mean. You know, when somebody knoxsi your

2264
01:42:07.439 --> 01:42:08.640
door with a bag full of money, we'll see how

2265
01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:09.159
I actually feel.

2266
01:42:09.199 --> 01:42:09.600
Fair enough.

2267
01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:13.359
But when I made Depression the movie, I actually thought

2268
01:42:13.399 --> 01:42:15.520
that was probably gonna be my last film ever. Yeah,

2269
01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:17.000
And so I was like, so, I'm just gonna make

2270
01:42:17.039 --> 01:42:18.800
whatever I want. And it was the first film I

2271
01:42:18.840 --> 01:42:22.119
made that was substantially financially successful, which made no sense

2272
01:42:22.159 --> 01:42:25.880
compared to the rest of the prior of my entire career.

2273
01:42:26.199 --> 01:42:28.720
So I really identify with this, like the last one,

2274
01:42:28.800 --> 01:42:30.399
and then all of a sudden, it's like, Okay, everybody

2275
01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:32.079
likes what you're doing. Now keep doing. Yeah, keep doing.

2276
01:42:32.159 --> 01:42:35.039
Uh So I Blue Ruins A buy it? Yeah, cruel

2277
01:42:35.079 --> 01:42:37.359
cruel irony that you can't get a blu Ray easily. Yeah,

2278
01:42:37.399 --> 01:42:40.119
but it's worth owning if you love films. No, that's

2279
01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:42.079
all I got because I've said everything else I need

2280
01:42:42.079 --> 01:42:43.439
to say about that. Yeah. Same here.

2281
01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:46.680
Blue Ruin is just it's the it's the takeaway of

2282
01:42:46.800 --> 01:42:49.800
the non traditional vengeance film that really focuses on the

2283
01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:53.960
realism of it. Really just paints a portrait of what

2284
01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:56.880
it is like to decide you're going to do something

2285
01:42:56.880 --> 01:42:58.119
and have to stick it out to the end.

2286
01:42:58.239 --> 01:43:00.239
Yeah. No, definitely, So I really I.

2287
01:43:00.159 --> 01:43:01.560
Really enjoy that. So we always like to end the

2288
01:43:01.560 --> 01:43:04.079
show with a couple of recommendations. My first one this

2289
01:43:04.119 --> 01:43:07.000
week is two thousand and seven's Death Sentence. Darring Kevin

2290
01:43:07.039 --> 01:43:09.560
Bacon Nick Hume is a mild mannered executive with a

2291
01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:12.159
perfect life until one gruesome night he witnesses something that

2292
01:43:12.239 --> 01:43:15.560
changes him forever. Transformed by grief, Hume eventually comes to

2293
01:43:15.560 --> 01:43:17.920
the disturbing conclusion that no length is too great when

2294
01:43:17.920 --> 01:43:21.079
it comes to protecting your family. This movie I cannot

2295
01:43:21.079 --> 01:43:24.399
recommend enough. It's basically his death wish, but it is

2296
01:43:24.439 --> 01:43:27.479
in the sense of breaking down your character to think

2297
01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:29.680
he can do this vengeance, does the vengeance, and then

2298
01:43:29.720 --> 01:43:32.279
completely pulls all the retaliation back on.

2299
01:43:32.439 --> 01:43:33.560
Yeah, that's good. That's a good wreck.

2300
01:43:33.680 --> 01:43:37.159
Yeah. Second recommendation is twenty seventeen Small Town Crime, which

2301
01:43:37.199 --> 01:43:40.439
is currently available on Stars and Fandango. An alcoholic X

2302
01:43:40.479 --> 01:43:42.439
cop finds a woman on the roadside who was left

2303
01:43:42.439 --> 01:43:44.439
for dead. He offers to find the killer pro bono

2304
01:43:44.479 --> 01:43:47.279
as a private investigator. Her granddad hires him, and things

2305
01:43:47.319 --> 01:43:48.000
get nasty.

2306
01:43:48.279 --> 01:43:49.640
That's a phenomenal movie.

2307
01:43:49.720 --> 01:43:50.039
Yeah.

2308
01:43:50.119 --> 01:43:51.960
I remember I bought that on Blu Ray right after

2309
01:43:51.960 --> 01:43:54.079
we finished watching it together. Yet same here, Such a

2310
01:43:54.119 --> 01:43:56.319
good film. Yeah, small Town Crime. Cannot recommend that enough.

2311
01:43:56.319 --> 01:43:58.399
What's your recommendation, sir? I actually have two this week

2312
01:43:58.479 --> 01:44:01.399
because I had I really was thinking of it, and

2313
01:44:01.560 --> 01:44:03.319
I have two movies that kind of gave me a

2314
01:44:03.319 --> 01:44:05.760
similar feel but didn't give me a similar feel. The

2315
01:44:05.800 --> 01:44:09.079
first one is twenty eleven's Killer Joe Good one, Yes,

2316
01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:13.279
I love Killer Joe. It's by William Friedkin, famous for

2317
01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:17.520
the Exorcist. But the description is when a debt puts

2318
01:44:17.560 --> 01:44:19.800
a young man's life in danger, he puts to hitting.

2319
01:44:20.199 --> 01:44:22.720
He turns to putting a hit out on his evil

2320
01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:25.279
mother in order to collect insurance. I feel like that

2321
01:44:25.319 --> 01:44:29.000
movie has a great amount of dread. It's really highly stylized.

2322
01:44:29.039 --> 01:44:32.319
It's not honest. It's scary. Yeah, no, he's terrifying. It's

2323
01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:34.880
not nearly as realistic, but really good. But then the

2324
01:44:34.920 --> 01:44:37.079
other one, and this is one that I like because

2325
01:44:37.319 --> 01:44:39.079
it makes me sick to my stomach a little bit,

2326
01:44:39.479 --> 01:44:43.319
is twenty seventeen's Good Time Good Time is Good and

2327
01:44:43.399 --> 01:44:48.079
that stars Robert Pattinson. It's from the directing team who

2328
01:44:48.119 --> 01:44:50.199
I believe wanted to do Uncut Gems, which is another

2329
01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:52.119
movie that makes me sect to my Saffie Brothers. Yeah,

2330
01:44:52.159 --> 01:44:55.159
the Saft Deep Brothers. After a botched bank robbery lands

2331
01:44:55.159 --> 01:44:58.159
his younger brother in prison, Connie Nika's embarks on a

2332
01:44:58.159 --> 01:45:01.199
twisted odyssey through New York City's to get his brother

2333
01:45:01.279 --> 01:45:02.119
Nick out of jail.

2334
01:45:02.279 --> 01:45:04.960
Line up a light watch after that one, because it's

2335
01:45:04.960 --> 01:45:06.560
going to hit you right in the fucking stomach.

2336
01:45:07.319 --> 01:45:09.800
You'll be fine. So that Good Time is a great

2337
01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:10.199
movie though.

2338
01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:15.399
Also yeah, honorable mentions any of Saulner's filmography. In regards

2339
01:45:15.399 --> 01:45:18.520
to Greenroom, rebel Ridge, you said, hold the Darks fantastic.

2340
01:45:18.600 --> 01:45:19.199
I really liked it.

2341
01:45:19.279 --> 01:45:22.479
Yeah, I cannot recommend green Room enough. Greenroom may be

2342
01:45:22.640 --> 01:45:24.119
my favorite of his so far.

2343
01:45:25.119 --> 01:45:26.039
It's really phenomenal.

2344
01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:27.920
It was originally going to be this episode, by the way,

2345
01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:31.079
but unfortunately green Room is fucking available nowhere right now.

2346
01:45:31.279 --> 01:45:32.560
Saw it three times in the theater.

2347
01:45:32.680 --> 01:45:33.439
I saw it once with you.

2348
01:45:34.800 --> 01:45:35.560
Three times.

2349
01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:37.760
We went to see that in Beaver Creek.

2350
01:45:38.039 --> 01:45:40.640
Yeah. Yeah, I went back to see it in Beaver

2351
01:45:40.680 --> 01:45:41.359
Creek two more.

2352
01:45:41.640 --> 01:45:42.239
That's awesome.

2353
01:45:42.439 --> 01:45:45.000
So no, that's a phenomenal film. So before we get

2354
01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:46.520
out of here, I do want to remind everybody if

2355
01:45:46.520 --> 01:45:48.279
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2356
01:45:48.319 --> 01:45:50.600
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2357
01:45:50.720 --> 01:45:52.760
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at gmail dot com or go to dooevenmovie dot com.

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There are all kinds of social media things in the

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description or show notes. You can find us on x, Instagram, Facebook,

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wherever you want to find us. We do look forward

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to hearing from you, guys, So send us an email

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or go to dooevenmovie dot com for any and all

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information about the show.

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And that leads us into actually what we're talking about

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next week, because this was an email request, we are

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going to be diving into nineteen eighty five's Tough Turf

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WHI would be a first time watch for you, first

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time for me, currently available on Plex, Pluto TV, and Prime.

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Yes, so make sure you check that out so you

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guys can join me for the first time. And let's

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hope Dave doesn't do us rum.

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It's not gonna be a long good Friday. I'll promise

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you that much.

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You know, looking back, I do like that movie, but

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boy was it a long good Friday.

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I think you just need to check out my new

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four K from Criterion.

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I mean, I've got the system for you. So but well,

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with that all being said, I guess all that's left

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to say, kids is go see Hardeis Yes, and we

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will see you next Tuesday. Problem