All That We Destroy (2019) A Twisted Experiment in Horror

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1:29 Spoiler alert, So you're not allowed to have any hair on your body at your job? Uh No, that's weird. I feel like that's an OSHA violation. I'm not going to talk about work on camera. Sorry. Yeah. Basically, all I was told was that I just need to not wear my hat as much, and that was really about it. But I get a hat, well. Not this, it's it's my my winter the winter. Hat, basically like one I would get any hat being yeah, no, no, I get it. Yeah. But you also keep in mind too that we only have people in office like big Time Tuesday through Thursday.

2:16 So Tuesday Wednesday Thursday people are in office, and then for the most part like Mondays and Fridays, not a lot of people in office. But I also have the option to work from home as I as I can use it too. But the problem is mainly is that I have not grown my hair out this long in fifteen years, so I'm not used to taking care of it. It's been a good bit, so it's not super easy to just pick it out like I used to. I actually have to kind of like style it a little bit, and that's the hard part, especially going outside when it's blowing in the wind. So the problem is laziness. Yeah, it always is. Well, this has been a very good session. Yeah, I do accept your insurance, Thank goodness. Also, my hair just has a fucking mind of its own.

2:58 And that's the problem too, because it just they I used to be able to when I was in high school. I used to be able to pick it out and just not have to worry about the picking it out was basically all I had to do when I pick it out. Now it one side wants to stick up, another side wants to stick that way, or this side's a little flatter, So it's like I have to work on a little longer than I'm used to. Did you how do you dry your hair? I don't. You're not even a towel. I mean, that's that's that's it. That's literally like I will put it. I will put a towel through it when I step out of the shower for the most part, and then otherwise and that I just let it air dry. Is that how you did it when you were a kid? Basically? Yeah, I mean I I had a hair dryer. I I personally didn't have a hair dryer. We had a hair dryer at the house and gets a bit's been so far back, dude, I can't really remember.

3:43 But I bet you blue dry your hair a little bit, a little bit, but not probably because you had to hurry up for school or something. You'd use a blow dryer. I didn't use it the style because kid, all I'm saying is you might be happy if you used a blow dry eh. I don't. Other The only thing is I don't trust I don't trust my bathroom much with with other electronics right now. I mean, I don't mean do it while you're taking a bath. No, I know that, I know that. It's more so just uh, I don't don't know how do I put this. There has been some electrical issues in the bathroom recently, that's all I say. Like, that's that. That's the best way I can put that.

4:26 I mean, you can plug it in in your bedroom. Yeah, but I also have a mirror in my bathroom that I normally look at, and I have the giant mirror my bedroom to. Mirror your Arab friend who takes care of the bathroom. Stop. But no, I don't have any outlets buy my mirror in my in my bedroom. Well, you don't really need a mirror to blow out curly hair short curly hair. Yeah, I mean you're your blow drying routine would probably be less than five minutes because your hair, I mean, although your hair is thick and it is getting a little longer. I mean my hair to fully blow dry from tw i'll dry doesn't take twenty minutes. Yeah. So well we'll keep in mind too. I'm not I'm not like showering all the time before I go to work. And we know I shower. I shower usually the night before. So when I go every day, I would say every every couple.

5:13 Days, every okay, so every okay. I shower, I would say, as it stands right now, because I usually didn't note no offense. I usually shower when I get out of out of here because cigar smell smells on my clothes, so I've got to be careful with that. And careful with that. You're afraid your landlord will smell you. No, it's not that. It's more so like if I have anything that like if I if I put my clothes and don't put them in the wash or anything like that, it'll infect my other clothes. And I have a bad habit lately of putting away cleanly wear clean clothes, and I do wear clean clothes. God damage well. But my point is if you blow dry your hair, generally your hair will stay kind of the way the blow dryer gets your hair to be yeah, for days. Yeah. So I also seldom do I shower before I go to work. I usually shower the night before because.

5:55 That's my point. You can still blow drop, Yeah, yeah, I got it. It might You might be surprised how much more manageable it is, because basically, the direction your hair dries is the direction it wants to stay. So if you go to sleep with wet hair, you're gonna have some interesting experiences. But if you were to just give yourself a quick blow dry, make sure your hair is dead ass dry before you go to sleep, Yeah, it's gonna be much more predictable. Yeah. So I usually make sure it's as dry as it can be when I lay my head on my pillow because otherwise had trouble of getting you know, wet pillow and shit. Well yeah, yeah, but I mean I mean down to the down to the stal yeah, because yeah, because it'll help a lot more than you might think. Yeah, but I was just just trying to help. I mean, I started a routine of only blow drying, not even that long ago.

6:43 Min I haven't had to buy one because I cut my hair short for so many years, so you don't have a road dryer. I never bought a blow dryer when I left the house, Like I never I never had a blow dryer after leaving the house going to college. I didn't even have a blow dry in college. Well that's not surprising. In college, you base feral. They got to use my roommate's blow dryer. To be honest, again, sounds like Collige. Yeah, yeah, but you know I have not I've actually never personally bought a blow dryer. Well, Davy, hm, you're over thirty now, yeah, it might be time. We'll see, it. Might be time to get yourself a little thirteen dollars con air. Eh, you can think of when you blow it in your face. You can pretend you're Nick Cage.

7:23 It's always the always the way to go with it. Well, that's why they call it a con air. I'm always is that moment, that moment with Knick Cage. I'm just saying you might be surprised how much your hair would appreciate the least amount of a Yeah, it'd probably really like it. I mean I would kill to have a curly head of hair like yours. Your hair is fucking ridiculous. I love I love having my curly hair. The problem is, well with this way. I love my curly hair during winter. I don't love it when spring and summer hits because it gets real fucking hot up there. Well, that's why you gotta ful fit out, Yeah, because then all the air can get in. Or better you get corner rows. Corner rows. Yeah, there we go. I would pay good to get you corner road. That's not happening for one I literally like almost overheated one time when I was mowing the grass. Like this is like back back in would have been like sophomore maybe even freshman year. I almost overheated one time because it was so hot outside in between mowing the grass and having my hair and everything, like, there was so much sweat coming down from my hair, like it was killing me.

8:24 I mean, you know the trick, right, what what your hair? Yeah, you were your hair? I mean no, like the because the secret weapon if you're working in the heat and you have long hairs that you have a big sponge on top of your head, so you pour a little water in it and it keeps you cool for a while, a good while. I've had long hair since I was fourteen years old. I didn't start, so I always had short hair for the most part. It wasn't until I was in sixth grade and I kept missing hair appointments because of baseball practice because I was. I was in baseball at that point, and I remember, my missie, did you play? Uh this is still like rec leagues, so I mean I was. I would be center field, I would play third base and occasionally occasionally shortstop.

9:05 I don't know what any of that means, but I wanted to test you. No, No, but I was scared. I mean, I'm scorios. You're good. But yeah, I remember I was walking to the car one day after practice and my mom is like, yeah, She's like, I really like your hair, Like it's it's growing really well. So like if you don't, like, if you don't want to get your hair cutting time soon, like we don't have to, like we can get it styled when it needs to. But like, does your papa have curly hair? No, I got so from what I can understand, I got this from his dad had curly hair up to probably I think it was about mid thirties or so, so right, right, I think that's about it. But most of my hair comes from my mom's dad. Oh there's there's a picture of him in track when he was in high school, and it looks he looks exactly like me, or I look exactly like him.

9:52 Either way, look just like your grandpa. And I'm glad I don't have to deal with that now I've shown you those creepy pictures. And when Grandpa, like right when he enlisted the Navy just fucking looks like me. It's so creepy. It's so weird. Dad definitely did have curly hair, though, because I've got a picture on my phone right now of him when I think he was in his like mid twenties, and he looks exact I think I've shown it to you. He looks exactly like me. Hey, you guys, look you do favorite each other. So for those who have not seen you or can't see you, and even right now, I mean you're wearing a hat like a like a I mean, son of a bitch. I'll take it off briefly. What you need, sincerely, you just need you just need a blow dryer and a and a good brush, and I bet you you'd be very pleased, yeah.

10:35 Because I mean I will comb it or comb it out as much as I can, but I mainly just stickle my hair pick because that's. You don't use a brush at all. Really. Oh, so here's the thing, soft like you want to get one of those combo hard bristles, soft bristle brushes brushes, because not only for your hair, I bet it would be great mine, it's it's the worst. Yeah. The reason soft bristles make your hair so soft is they actually spread the oil to the further parts of your your hair and thereby make you look less oily, unless you're as incredibly oily as I am. I don't believe I am. No, I am positive, yeah that you are not. Don't believe I am, but no, I think it's a combination. Right now that I'm still unsure what I want to do with the hair. A couple of our mutual friends have asked me to keep it till Wasteland, which, for those listening, we're recording this about a month exactly from Wasteland.

11:26 Cinema Wasteland the movie expo for those who don't know. In Strongsville, Ohio. So it would be about another month. And I think if I were to let this growl that long, it's going to be pretty crazy by the time we get there. So it's fifty to fifty right now. If I keep it might not be that crazy little effort. This is only till this has only been growing since October. I bet you you get yourself like a little coarse hair gel, not like styling gel. It's actually a gel you put in your hair before you blow dry. Yeah, that protects it from heat. Basically, it's kind of like actually like the stuff stunt guys put on their hair to protect but it's but it's not as strong. Yeah, but it helps your hair not fry when you blow dry it. But I'm telling you, I bet you you hit it with that brush real good because the pick is good for maintenance, but not for the initial stock.

12:17 No, it's not good for That's that's the biggest issue right now, is like I have my hair pick at work, and it's like I'll pick it out in the bathroom. It's just like, well, that didn't help at all. I think you'd be surprised. I bet you you'd be surprised how nice it looks. Yeah. Plus then you could sculpt it or have it sculpted and kind of find it. I don't I don't think you look bad with hair, Dade. I just I don't know. I don't. In fact, I don't dislike it. Sometimes I have to give like no inglares to my friends when you're bald headed, like it's cool, He's all right. I don't go bald headed off. I go short only rarely. Do I shave it to the scalp only rarely. Yeah, yeah, right. My mom hates it. Like right after you you're done watching American History Acts, You're like, you know not, I don't know why I feel this even touching that right, don't know why I feel like I want to dress this way. But I'm just gonna for five right now a minute. No, I mean I could have made meaner jokes. I'm just being sweet.

13:10 I was just being cute. So all I'm saying is I think you should take it from somebody who just recently had to expand my horizons about doing more for my hair than just like letting it sit. Yeah, blow drying brings a lot of life to your hair. A good a good soft bristle brush won't set you back much money at all, and it'll make a a It'll probably make it fluffier than you imagine, probably, and you'll probably want to pick it less to let it kind of settle. But you get some coarse hair treatment stuff and that, and you're set. You won't have to do much. But I bet you'd be I bet you'd be happy. No. I mean that's like, like I said at the beginning of the show. I I know that I that I have these struggles because of just pure laziness. I know that for a fact.

13:56 The other thing and this is not I'm not trying to joke. Yeah, as a sleep cap if you put a little a little soft nylon, ye sleep cap, not like a do rag. But they have these things for They're mostly for keeping braids under control, but that could also help your hair not get super wacky when you sleep on it. You want to know something probably terrible that all I meant. Oh no, I I wouldn't say every night because it hasn't. I mean, but a lot, predominantly around winter time. I usually sleep in a hoodie and I usually have the hood up. All right, all right, yeah, put your damn hat back on. You make me sad. I'm kidding. You wear your hair. I don't care how you wear your hair. It's probably gonna be better if I leave it off right now.

14:37 I'll never forget My first job was like you can wear whatever you want, and then about a year later you're like, yeah about that. I have like I've never gotten like a straight up like, I've never got a dress code issue in regards to hair or anything like that. I've gotten T shirt issues I've had I've had I've had dress code issues with that, not at not like recently. This is like back in high school, like, I had a s that was Hell Michigan and it was damn you, Damn University is what it was. I also was a track practice with a washed T shirt that on the back said I fucked like a beast, but I had put a piece of tape over it and written hug. I got sent home for wearing on top of my clothes a full size Butcher's apron that had ed Dean's face on it and said the original Wisconsin Cannibal.

15:31 Wow, that doesn't surprise me. Did you ever get in trouble for your start truk outfit? No, I don't think so. I mean not by the faculty crapp beat out of me. But yeah, I mean is that trouble? I'm more so it dresscode violation. I thought that's what you cool, this violation. No, no, no, well, I mean those kids who beat me up were pretty cool. Oh yeah, but no, no, no, I mean, I don't know. I just think you should. You should expand your horizons a little bit. You know, I know that. You know when we taw there are no cameras, no microphones. You're kind of like, I'm thirty, I'm basically dead. Oh that's exactly how Yeah, that's exactly. I think you should try it. I think you should.

16:11 You should grab yourself just the cheapest little hair dryer. It'll be more than enough for what you're doing. You don't need some crazy fancy bowl crap. And even the crazy fancy ones are forty. Bucks perfectly honest, I may fucking have one to Honestly, now I think about it, because there may be one in in some stuff that was left over. Oh sure. I didn't want to say you probably have one and don't know it because I didn't want it to end up being one of those Dave Hills. Well, the problem is on the problem is is I don't know where it is. It's going to be the scavenger hunt. I just meant, I just meant knowing you. Sometimes I'd be like, I'm pretty I bet you have what somebody be like I really don't, and then it would become this thing where then yeah, you know, into the conversation be like, actually. I haven't seen it since I've lived at this current apartment.

16:53 So if I if I do still have one, which I no, I don't have that one. Never mind, I just remember, I just remember there was there was a there was a fire issue with it. Turned it on and smoke came out of it one day. Yeah, you get it, get a new one. Yeah, you know they're not they're not ricey. Just grab one at Walmart. That was back at Crawford Street, the Sketchy apartment. I remember the street. I was using it. Yeah, I was using it to dry. Was it paint? I was. I was using it for an art project to dry something I came or if it was paint or if it was something that I'd done, and I had it all like I had it. I had it run in for like a good like fifteen minutes. Yeah. So modern ones will auto cool, Yeah, occasionally when you run at that.

17:36 This was a little white one that had brown cord to it, and it had high and low. We're just the two settings it had. But they were in like in like cyrillic, like they're from the Soviet Union. I just remember turning it on, using it and then being like what's that smell? And then looking down and like smoke was pouring out of. It in sabby Trasha had dry Oh no, no, okay, So. So yeah, I will, I will, I will. Price. You've been hurt by a hair dryer. Now, I'm understanding the pain. I'm trying to think if I there. There's a distinct memory I have of one burning my neck, but I can't remember if it was in my hand or if it was in my sister, my mom, in the hand of a lover. Now now it was either my sister's hand or my mom's hand. I can't remember.

18:26 That sounds like your sister. Yeah, that does does sound like my silf. Come here, Brad. Now, all I'm saying is get yourself a hair dryer, even even a travel one. Yeah, they're cheap. Pardon me, and report back. I think you. I think you'd actually be happy about it. No, I'm That's that's been the biggest issue, is just I don't really know what I want to do appearance wise, of course, so well. That's always the question, especially when you're not a living cartoon character like I am. Right where I just kind of I it's kind of pick a look. It's the only time I actually went maybe they're right. When people were like, are you You're autistic, aren't you, I'd be like, no, well, I mean I did pick one look and kind of stick with it for twenty years there's that overall, but geezh, yeah, dude, you gotta do so speaking of surviving in sketchy situation, nice segue. But we just went to the theater and we saw a little.

19:22 Movie, Yes, Last Breath from twenty twenty five, starring Woody Harrelson, Uh Simoulu and Finn Cole. I like how because of the habit of the show you gave the year when we went to see it in the theater. Yeah, Last Breath from twenty twenty one. Doc Brown was nice enough to pick us. Up in the door. Literally just watched Anora and I was sad because I was just like shit, I didn't see this last year because I was for some reason thinking that it came out this year. I don't know why. Well, it would be weird for it to well, that was before it won all the before it's sweep. I think it was just the availability of it. It was. It was showing in November. Yeah, and it didn't come to the theater you and I go to very often, so you were I would say you were.

20:02 You were tepid to luke warm based on the trailer. Oh yeah, because what really got you to see it was I went and saw it on a random evening at the further Away theater that had it, and I it was my favorite, possibly my favorite movie of the whole year. Well, I mean, like we said before too, the trailer just kind of really undersold it. Well it had to, yeah, I mean, Anora the trailer tells you what it is. It's actually I think it's it's it's you. You No, it's the audience, including myself, our expectation when we hear that it's like this story of a stripper meeting a Russian oligarch's son and then marrying him, and then people wanting them to separate. You just kind of make assumptions of where that's going to go, and Anora completely subverts those assumptions and instead takes you on a very realistic, funny, very funny and sad ride through the reality of the whole situation. And I wasn't ready for I remember, I think it was like the forty five to fifty minute mark was the first time I like, I like laughed out loud and I was like, I see what they're doing.

21:07 When that coffee table shattered, I get fought in my apartment. Of course you did, but I just want to remind you everybody that if if you have seen Anora and really enjoyed it, you know, it swept the Academy Awards. Everybody's talking about it. If you haven't seen it, make sure to check it out. But one unfortunate element is now, with Anora being in the public spotlight so intensely, you may have to talk to your children about Armenians. About Armenians. Yeah, Jesus, Now, I actually love the handling of kind of like the Armenian people in it, and the way people kind of assume bad things was if you're Armenian. So I hung out with our our mutual friend Courtney last night for our movie night that we do on Mondays typically, and and she even she watched it recently and she was just like, she's like I was just waiting for like the bad things to like happen like when they should have.

21:55 I was like, that's what is No, that's why it's great. Big, So that's why it's great. Yeah, that's well, because the whole movie is completely realistic. Yeah, so no, it's it's it's a great film. I don't want to rave about the Accademy about this first time in my entire life. Ye that that at least, because I don't really rank movies heavily in my head, but it was the top three movies of the year, and last year was a great year for movies. It would have been in my top if i'd seen it. So to have like possibly my favorite movie of twenty twenty four sweep the Oscars, not just win Best Picture, but like sweep them, sweep them startled me because, like I saw Parasite after it won. We both did. We went and saw it in the theater. It was after it won. It was after it was after it won, Are you sure? Because they brought it back. That's how we caught it, because we thought it was a horror movie, Like we thought it was a foreign horror movie.

22:42 You remember, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna check that and I'm gonna i'm gonna I'm gonna get back to you on that. It might you might, you might be right, or you may be crazy, but you just may be the lunatic I'm looking for. Who's what is that? Billy Joel? Oh? Okay, yeah, I don't know. I don't know then personally, but no, So I feel bad because we were talking about Last Class Breath. Yeah, a perfectly serviceable suspense film based on a true story. I just know that getting into it that it was based on a true story. You know, I can't say that it's worth running to the theater, but if you if you like the claustrophobic elements, if water scares you, which. It does, the underwater cinematography is gorgeous. I mean, that's it was. That was kind of one of the things that really really grabbed me in from the trailer. And honestly, you know, like we like we thought it might have been a little bit more suspenseful.

23:33 Well, the moment it said based on a true story, I was like, oh, this isn't going to be exactly what we thought it was going to be. We were spoiled with Underwater. Let's be honest. I loved underwater so much fun. But it's about these guys, this team of three, yeah, who work deep, deep deep underwater floor ocean floor three hundred feet down. And when you go three hundred feet down, it takes three days to acclimate to the pressure, which they do in a tube on the ship, and then they dunk you under and put you in a thingy once you're at that depth and it takes three days to acclimate to come back up. And they're down there to fix a pipeline that's having an issue off the coast of Ireland. Yeah, and one of them, through a bunch of bad things happening at once bad weather technology failures, ends up stranded with ten minutes of air yeah left. Yeah, it sounds a little more exciting than it was. Yeah, but they played it. They played it realistic, and because of that, I can't fault it. They decided not to take an incredible amount of liberties with the story, which I can appreciate because the people that this happened to are you know, they're still alive and taking this happen very recently.

24:42 Yeah, Marky, Mark's not climbing up from the bottom of the depth to the top of the ship and being like, what's up, guys. I'm a fucking rock star. But I did enjoy it. And I will say if you know, if you're looking, if you're like, man, I want to like we are this way, you know, if you're like, man, I really want to go to the theater, Yeah, you won't be mad you caught it, not at all. But it didn't. It just didn't blow my mind. Although I will tell you what blew my mind my first observation when the film ended, because they did the thing where they showed some some video footage of the actual guys. Could not have cast people who looked less like the actual people. Yeah, the main character was this youthful, kind of mop headed young guy and his wife, a woman of similar height with brunette hair. We see them for real. He's a mountainously tall man, bald headed, and she's short with blonde hair.

25:35 And then his crewmates, one of them did not look like Woody Harrelson at all, and the other one was not. It did not appear he was Asian. That didn't. I mean it did not. It doesn't really matter, but it's just but it definitely took me back because usually when you watch a biopic, the most fun part about seeing the actual people is seeing how they styled the actors that you know to look more like them. And often you'll be like, wow, they like really like. One of the best examples Argo, Yeah, when they show the actual people are like, man, they really they went really far to get them to look like the the hostages, well, the not hostages but the refugees. Well, there's that show on Netflix. It's all about the the Godmother of Cocaine and Sophia Varga. Is it Varga or Varga or Varga. Yeah, she's she's the one that plays her.

26:21 Looks nothing like her, and that does happen. I just watched an entire documentary on that woman and looks nothing like. It does happen, Man, it does happen. So anyway, it was a fun film, Yeah. Definitely, it was definitely definitely a good time, good. Bit of fun. Yeah. And speaking of a good bit of fun, we are still in March Marching Into the Dark YEP, and we're covering the Hulu series in conjunction with Blumhouse Television, Yes, called Into the Dark, which had twenty four episodes a feature film every month for twenty four months. Often they referenced the month they were taking place in. Yeah, sometimes they didn't as much. So I actually it's funny you say that because I actually pulled up the Wikipedia pagees I was curious information wise what they would have. This episode in particular pertains to Mother's Day.

27:09 Oh duh, yeah, yeah, because the main character's a mom. Yeah, and then last weeks, of course was Valentine's Day, which we had, but you got Treehouse, which is International Women's Day. You've got Independence Day for Culture Shock, First day of School for school Spirit, Daughter's Day for pure Let's see, we've also been in. The second season. I felt like they dug a little deeper. Sat Patrick's Day for Crawlers in the second season. Oh yeah, well that's about pub crawlers, poster. For Puka Lives, Mother's Day for Delivered, pet Appreciation Week for good Boy. Yeah. Yes, Independence Day for the current occupant, Valentine's Day for Tentacles, and Spring full Moon for blood Moon. So they did correlate them. But no, and I love that that adds to the fun.

27:52 Oh yeah, it makes you want to tune every in every month. I wish they had gotten another season. Yeah, but we got twenty. Four Yeah, twenty four episodes. I can't talk. About one that stuck out to us the most. Yes, a little film called well an episode. I guess this is where it gets confusing. Like technically a film, I mean, if they're on letterbox, I think you can count them as films, and all of them are. There are films? Yeah, yeah, But It's also like confusing because like when I was showing it, I was watching it and Rachel was here, so she was just kind of watching too. I was like trying to say, like, oh, this is one of the best, and then I was like, I mean, it's a movie, but it is in context of the series, one of my favorites. Yeah, and it's called oh gosh, all that We Destroy, All that We Destroy. Yeah, I kept thinking it was what we destroyed. I kept getting that confused in my brain.

28:37 Yeah, we all that We destroy From twenty nineteen one hour in twenty one minutes right a TVMA, sexual content, graphic violence, and language. It had some language in it. It did, indeed, I hadbi synopsis says a geneticist who fears her son maybe a serial killer, creates a group of clones to cure him of his violent tendencies. It's a little soft fears, hesus her. My synopsis when her son experience is a deadly violent episode, A geneticis begins a group of experiments with clones and an attempt to cure him. I like yours more, but I would I would like to split the difference because I feel like it gives almost too mucho much. No, that's I think that's what we've said the same thing last week with Down. I think that's what. One of the things I've always loved about these episodes is I remember we would spend like the first like you know, twenty to thirty minutes being like, Oh, I bet this is gonna happen, or maybe this is what's happening.

29:28 It's subverted expectation. Revisiting this one, which I re visited this one twice. It was funny because I could call up like at least three like specific moments which I'll get to when we get to the summary that I was just like, oh yeah, we we kind of like figured that out or were just like, oh my god, like when that happened. Oh yeah. And a reminder, these all are on Hulu. They were originally aired on Hulu, so you can give it a watch on Hulu if you want to, uh not have some spoilers. But we're going to uh, we're gonna do it. We're gonna dive into the sum bitch. So unlike last week's with Down, this one did have a tagline, m A mother's luck of never dies. Oh I like that. A mother's love that's solid. Yeah, that's solid. Yeah. So our director on this film is Chelsea Starredust, who gets her start in twenty nineteen with Satanic Panic.

30:12 Oh okay, because that same year that was the one with the Pizza Girl and the cult in the neighborhood. But had Johnny Knoxville not Johnny knox whe was that the other one? No, you're thinking of you're thinking of, uh, we some in the Night some of the Darkness. Oh did I know? We we watched the Tana Pan. Satanic Panic is the one of the Pizza Girl and she ends up falling into the cult. Jerry O'Connell's in it. There's the Kildo, which is the giant tilto drill. No, no, I I remember they were both released around the same sartimes and they were very similar. But it was kind of like Paul Blarton Observant Report. Yeah. I love using that example because people get mad. But yeah, Satanic Panic and all that We Destroyed come out the same year. So she had a really good year. But people don't realize that she was Jason Blump's personal assistant.

30:52 Oh, I mean, that's like Roger Corman. Ere I mean, Peter Bogdanovich was Corman's assistant. Francis Porcoppola was Rodger Corman's assistant. Herought her on, so he invited her to a secret screening of Insidious, and basically at the end of the thing, he's like, this is kind of what we're going for, like, do you want to come along for the ride? And she's stuck with him. I think up through I think it was like twenty twenty one or so, because I feel like she didn't she didn't depart too much farther after Covid. I want to say, well, and she went off and did Satanic Panic. Not at Blum's company, because she did that one if I remember correctly. Yeah, for Fangoria. That was one during that era when Dallas Sognier was running Fagoria Films.

31:33 She stuck with him up to twenty eighteen. The last key Insidious. The last key was the last time she's credited as an assistant. Oh okay, that's awesome. Good on her anything since. No, that's basically and it's kind of kind of stale, right. Look forward to see and you can still. Follow her on Instagram and she's very active, so she does have some things going on. Well, I'm sure. I'm sure she's probably just working behind the scenes on lots of stuff, But no, I think that I did not realize that it was the same director as Satanic Panic. Very talented, Yeah, very talented. Very different tones for each one if you think about different time. Yeah, that's what I love. I love that. So writers on this are Sean Keller and Jim Agnew. They are the writing team behind Daria Argento's Jallo in two thousand and nine. Interesting, Rage with Nicholas Cage in twenty fourteen, OK, which was, like I want to say, like he had He had several movies that were kind of like Nicholas Cage has taken. I feel like Rage was taken, but his daughter was killed, so then he went after them rambo style. I remember it not being great, but I remember it being enjoyable.

32:35 What you said, Rage with Nicholas Cage. Yeah, twenty fourteen. Then they also wrote Broken Valves in twenty fourteen, The Capture in twenty seventeen, and then All We Destroy in twenty nineteen. Cinematographer is Mark Evans. He gets to start on the Kings of Khan in twenty sixteen, Hug It Out in twenty seventeen, Shoot Satanic Panic in twenty nineteen, All That We Destroy in twenty nineteen, Spell A Graham in twenty nineteen, Kevin Harts, Cold as Balls in twenty twenty one, American melt Down in twenty twenty three, and New Life in twenty twenty three. He actually had to start doing Chelsea start as short films. Though, Oh that's so cool. That's I love that, I really do. And I think if I remember correctly, Sean and Jim were writers on a couple of those as well. So this whole team has worked together under Chelsea for a while.

33:16 Very nice, very nice, And I love that she was working at Blumhouse kind of helping them, you know, make things happen. And then it was like time for you to sit in the chair, yead. So the cast includes Israel Brazard, who plays Spencer Harris in the film He Gets to Start in twenty ten with Romantically Challenged, Flipped in twenty ten, as well The Chaperone, The Bling Rings, Such. Chaperone with Triple h mm hmm. Nice. I just made a joke about that movie the other day. Yeah, that's a I've not seen that one, but I have seen the Bling Ring. Did you see that one about the kids that broke into celebrities homes in real life? And Sophia Coppola directed it. No, it's for once on my voodoo, okay for two. It's it's good. It's a solid, solid movie, Like you kind of get the idea of what's happening from the first like hour, and when they get to like the court stuff, it doesn't really have much of it. It just kind of like concludes, but it's still still a pretty solid flick. Sons of Anarchy twenty thirteen, Earth to Echo twenty fourteen, Jack of Red Heart's Perfect High Haters, Good Kids, Fear the Walking Dead in twenty sixteen, Say you Will in twenty seventeen, and then in twenty seventeen. He also does Happy Death Day to me or Happy Death Day then to all the boys I've loved before extinction, Happy Death Day to you all that we destroy and fear the Rain in twenty twenty one. Okay, yeah, he's the main male lead and Happy Death Day?

34:31 How do I not remember that? Yeah he's the one. Yeah, oh yeah. His hair is different and he's a little older. He has a little bit of Jack quadness going, like a smidge of it. I could do that, Yeah, I could agree with that. We also have Samantha Mathis on the cast who plays doctor Rtry Harris. She gets her start in eighty eight on Aaron's Way, Night Watch, in eighty eight, Cold Sassy Tree, Pump Up the Volume, Extreme Close Up to My Daughter, Ferngully, The Last Rainforest, The Music of Chance, Super Mario Brothers. In ninety three, finally a feature filmed. The Thing Called Love, Little Women, The American President, Broken Arrow, Sweet Jane, Freak City, The Outer Limits, American Psycho, Harsh Realm, Night Visions, The Mists of Avalon, Twilight Zone remake, Punisher, Salem's Lot, Lawn Order, Criminal Intent, House, Nightmares, and Dream Skates, Lost Gray's Anatomy, The New Daughter in two thousand and nine, Buried Brian Realms in twenty ten, Nic Curb Your Enthusiasm, Under the Dome, The Good Wife, The Strain, The Clove, Hitch Killer, All That We Destroy in twenty nineteen, then goes on to be in Bull Law and Order, SVU, pet Cemetery, Bloodlines, and most recently last year twenty twenty four is The Exorcism with Russell Crowe.

35:37 Really Yeah Wow, she's definitely aside from Jack Whaley. Yeah, that's Frankly Frank Whilly, thank you. Aside from Frank Whaley. I mean she is the veteran, yeah, on this film, and it makes sense because she carries the movie. I mean she's the lead. Oh yeah, her the Israel. Yeah, he's like the He's definitely the supporting, supporting, but she is definitely the lead because it's mostly about how she struggling with her son and everything. Yeah, they cast a ringer for that. Yeah, she's great and she'd done so much. She's fantastic in a pub up volume, especially too, which will probably come to the show at some point. You do love your Pump Up the Volume. The only reason I'm holding off is because it's not really available like streaming wise, you can buy that New Blu ray through new Ish through Warner, but as far as like actually streaming it, it's not really readily available.

36:26 New Line's weird like that some of their movies are out there and some of them are well. I mean, you got to remember the stuff made before New Line basically bought by Warner and then the whole mess when all collapsed and then Warner Brothers having to kind of figure their stuff out. Again, A lot of it has been licensed and sub licensed prior, so it seems like, you know, the big titles, they've gotten them sorted out. You know, The Night barn Elms Street. Yeah, of course, Lord of the. Rings and stuff. But yeah, those ones, they seem to have slipped through the cracks a bit. I just want my fucking four ka Ricochet. That's all I want in this life. I know, buddy, I know. I had to have a Blu ray made of that movie so I could have it.

37:10 I just wish we would go we could get one conversation where we didn't talk talk about Ricochet. Yeah all right. We also have Aurora Paraneu, who plays Ashley Prime in the film. She gets her start in twenty ten on Pretty Little Liars Air Collision Chasing Life equals a House Is Not a Home, Gem in The Holograms in twenty fifteen, Freaks of Nature in twenty fifteen. Do you see that Nature? It sounds really familiar. It came out around the same time as ninety nine Homes because I rented both of them from Red Box. Oh what a delightful night. Yeah, ninety nine Homes. I love that movie. But that movie leaves you not feeling good. I got you body. Yeah, Passengers in twenty sixteen, The Carmichael Show twenty seventeen, Truth or Dare from Blumhouse in twenty eighteen, Okay boo in twenty eighteen, all that we destroy when they see us, Prodigal Sun series. It takes three Westworld in twenty twenty two, Chaos, and we even have Crossword in twenty twenty four.

38:03 She is super super good in. This, Yeah, especially since she plays. When she gets thrown into it, you know, head first. Yeah, she's very memorable in this film. Yeah. Hey, so our first time watching this, I remember we had seen the teaser for this one at the end of what would have been I want to say, if this is Mother's Day, that's May, so April would have been. It might have been I'm just fucking with you. I think it was I'm just fucking with you. So yeah, I think we saw the end of We saw the teaser because they had a little teaser always at the end of the current one, and I remember we were hooked by the teaser of it, and then watching it, we were just kind of blown away because we were putting things together. But then there was also just the unpredictability of it.

38:43 Well, and here's the thing about that, you're wrong. No, that's fair, but no, No, here's the thing about that. As I was rewatching this, because the first time you watch it, you kind of have no clue what's going on. I mean, we opened with this young girl in a room with a young guy. Yeah, and he starts talking about her famili learly says, you know, play our song. Song plays, she doesn't remember it. She's come she comes out of liquid. First, the first shot is her coming out of the black liquid. But it's also but it's it's abstract. Yeah, we don't we we we think we know that she came out of the black lig We think we know what's going on, or we think we know what we're seeing is better way to put it. Well, we see we see hands tending to her kind of like cleaning her and dressing her. But yeah, then she's presented to him in this bedroom and he's he's just sitting there when she wakes up.

39:26 Yeah. And if you don't know that this movie deals with the concept of cloning, yeah, then it could literally be anything. She could be a vampire or from another dimension. Or an alien. You have no way of knowing. All you see is her coming out of this viscous black tar. Yeah, and now she's you know, cleaned up and she's hanging out with this guy. But it takes a very sudden turn because he starts asking her questions that she doesn't have the answers to, no memories of these things. He's talking who she is? He mean, he basically goes through like about three questions, and then every every time that he gets this, he always says, play our song, yes, and that is the Baby's I can't remember this song. I think it's every every Time I Love You or something like.

40:07 That, which I think it's every Time, Yeah, which is. John Waite and the Babies. And she doesn't recognize the song, and so that's when you know, he offers her some wine. She apologizes to him because she says that I feel nothing like I don't recognize you, and that's when he basically breaks out and strangles her, takes her to the floor and bashes her head until there's a nice puddle of blood. Butte and she's dead. Yeah, she's dead, period. And that is just the opening. I mean, we haven't even gotten the title yet no, because then we see him dragging her naked body and the title is cut out of. Out of so you see him between I was just like that is haunting. Yeah, no, it's it's really really memorable. And he's dragging her through the letters of the title. We see her get dumped into some.

40:54 Box deal container that is out in out in the open. They're out in the desert. This this house is out in the desert. There's no houses around them. Basically, they're on. Top of like a hill. They're like they're like the one isolated house and a very rich neighbor. Yeah. So then we see him dump the body and as he does this, his mom pulls up in the car. Yes and and uh and she looks like a business professional driving a very expensive car. Yeah, And he tells her it's done, it's done, it's done. So that's when we see the mom push him and push him a notebook and he basically says, you know, I don't feel like you know, right, And she's like, well, go ahead and write it then, and he's like, fine, I will. And we find out that this is his mom, doctor Victoria Harris, and she goes into her lab and that's where we see the pool of black liquid that we saw at the beginning. So we kind of put together that she has a lot to do with this.

41:40 Yeah, she's some kind of a mad scientist. Yeah, some kind of archetype of a mad scientist. And yeah, this is where I was just really in. Yeah, but here's something I noticed upon a second viewing because I never watched it again. I mean a lot of these I never revisited. That's kind of what I love doing this. Yeah. So one of the things that struck me is this kind of like eerie, dark, messy science fiction tends to be the realm of episodic TV. Yeah, because my first thought I as I was like as it was all coming together was Roger Corman Presents, which was literally, I think an inspiration for this concept because Roger Corman Presents was a new feature length movie every month made by Roger Corman Studios. Yeah, they had a lot of very odd ball dark science fiction. Oh yeah, then you have stuff like Bone Saw, Bone Saw, but it also like Tails from the Crypt, which would have the occasional very dark science fiction. I feel like we don't get a lot of feature length We do occasionally, but we don't get a lot of feature length movies no that are this kind of dark.

42:47 And I feel like this is this is way more black Mirror than I would expect for Into the Dark. And I mean, I'm not saying that this doesn't fit with Into the Dark. Absolutely don't know if it's by not fitting, because that's the best part is that you don't know what you're going to get every month. Yeah, but it feels very black mirr esque. And so she is going through her lab notes, she gets a call from her friend Parker, and this is where we kind of get a taste of the technology in this one as well, because she puts this little dot thing on her forehead, her eyes roll into the back and go black, and she basically virtual realities with Frank Whaley who's playing Parker, and. They're walking in like a beautiful wooded area, yeah, and talking about how she's struggling with her son. And then we start to become aware that he is the father, yeah, and for some reason he can't be around. We never get an explanation exactly.

43:34 He just says that he can't be around and that she should understand why, and she always kind of resents him for that especially towards the end. Sure, sure, and that's revealed after many scenes when at first it's just it's just kind of it's suggested that for some reason he can't be around. Who knows what it could be. But also I like how they're in this like this place that's so beautiful. It's almost a pharmaceutical commercial. Yeah, so gorgeous that the colors are so vibrant. Well, and she makes pharmaceutical money, I would say, m because she works. We find out that she works for a facility that is Harris Genetics, and they're working on basically cloning organs. That's that's her big kind of I don't know if it's her.

44:15 Well, she's a founding member of that of that and she's a geneticist. Yeah, and I don't know if she's actually presented that yet or if this is part of that study, because that's what it kind of seems like, is that the board wants to hear from her all the time, and she has this that she's focused on. Well, what she says in private is that she that she already has the breakthrough. Yeah, that's gonna make them the biggest name in organs in the world. Yeah. But she's far more obsessed with helping her son son. Yeah, and he has a serious problem, yeah, a predilection for murder. And he does this in a way that is brutal, upsetting, and pattern. He has a pattern to it every single time.

44:57 And he even said even tells his mom, because the basic premise is is his mom keeps creating the same clone of this woman that he accident not accidentally, that he that he killed some years ago, and he keeps and she keeps cloning her over and over again and trying to humanize her a little more each time and try to make it seem to fit for him, because he keeps saying that it doesn't feel right. It's just it feels like the same thing over and over again. He can't have that real feel again. Well, And at first we think it is so she can understand why, Yeah, but it becomes very obvious that the entire purpose is to scratch the itch, yeah, to kill yeah. Because one of my favorite lines from Frank Wayler's character at Parker is she gets to a point where she is she's convinced that, like, you know, I think we've got a pattern here. I think we've got something that'll work.

45:47 You know, he'll move out, and you know he'll go he. Might even be able to move out, he might even be able to go to college. And then he says, yeah, and then he can come back home and visit when he needs to get his fixed. No, it's it's it's really a great moment. Yeah, because this kid is a Yeah. And as the movie progresses, we find out that he was killing animals. There's a whole eerie scene where she's looking at two pets. Yeah, cemetery graves in the back of their house. And also, Spencer is a is a great artist. He's he's a great sketch artist. But he's sketching this dead woman. Over and over again, and he's clearly tormented. Yeah, with ants crawling on her face, with tire marks on her face. I love when he's sketching because when he's doing the ants, it's it's subtle, but it's noticeable. Yeah, the answer. Some of the ants are actually crawling as he's drawing her, which suggests some kind of a level of of non reality in his mind.

46:36 Not to mention the fact that she winks. The drawing winks a couple of times too, like eyes flutter and whatnot. So the basic premise is she's designing a new clone every single time to kind of give him the fix, which is Ashley, and Ashley was her name, and she was a girl that was involved in some kind of crime. We don't know specifically what it was, but basically he was out walking one day on the out in the desert area. She gets kicked out of a car by her companion and basically has to go back to his place because that's the only place that she can. Go well, and he says, my mom could give you a ride. I don't have a car, but my mom could give you a ride. So Victoria's working late this night. She's a bit promiscuous to him and is like looking at his art and dancing with him, grinding up on him.

47:17 She's flirty and having fun. They have some wine and then something goes wrong to where basically she says the wrong thing to him. He strangles her then bashes her head against the floor. Mom comes home and finds out and is just like, I'll take care of this. Me thinks there might be some psycho sexual elements because he really gets mad. She likes him. Yeah, I mean she's being you know, very friendly. We don't get to really look into her psyche as to if she was gonna rob them or if she literally just thought he was cute and wanted to kill because she says, she's just like, what are we gonna do for a couple hours time gets gets home, So it seems like she's just cute and flirty.

48:01 I love her introduction though, too, despite the despite the whole thing of getting kicked out of the car, because after that, like they're walking and she like takes the like is like, hey, let give me your jacket, like not even like asking for it, just like, no, give it here. She's very forward in every way. Yeah, which is the opposite of him. He's very reserved, very quiet, very shy, and just seemed like a normal guy. You know. I would never I would never imagine he'd do it. Yeah, and then you find out driving a serial killer. Yeah. And then and then you also find out that the song was her song. It was never their song. It was a song that her grandmother had liked and she had picked up on it because she she says this, does she say the specific song, Yeah, she called basically like. What happens is she said, She asked if he likes music. Yeah, He's like, yeah, you and she's like yeah, and he's like, ask for something and it'll play it. Yeah, talking about the computer system in the house. So she says, play the babies, and it plays that specific song by the Babies. Yeah.

48:50 So then she says, my grandma used to play the song for me, And that's where we find out that that and and the way they weave it in into the the main narrative is really cool. Yeah, because he's talking well at this point, he's not allowed to talk to the clone yet, a new clone. No mom is trying to give the Clone memories and personnel. Selectively, going through social media, picking out things selectively, and all this stuff is going on. Also while Spencer befriends the new neighbor girl who is in. Which and Spencer's not supposed to really leave the house. Now he can go on his walks, but that's that's the gist. But he encounters this attractive young woman, Marissa, who looks a little bit similar like to Ashley, No absolutely bit, just a smidge yeah, I mean they have different hair, but they have like a they have a similar height, similar facial features, similar skin tone, and he.

49:38 Holds back from her at first, because I mean he she's moving into the house and you know, he's looking, he's looking at her, and she's like, you know, can can you help me? It helps some of the boxes, and then he immediately goes home, So he's trying to kind of respect the boundary at first, but then they kind of hit it off. She likes that he's weird, likes that his art style even gets him a shot at the gallery. Yeah, yeah, she she is like she's being that. And this this is where it gets a little funky too, because now that I'm thinking about it, both of these women are a little manic pixie dream girl a little bit, a little bit, you know, they're they're extra outgoing. They want to be around they want to be around him, they want to get to know him, they want to flirt with him, they want all these things, and he's you know, completely unprepared for it, completely uncomfortable with it. Well.

50:20 I love the gallery scene specifically because so she had invited him to the gallery, and we we cut over there eventually and she's showing him art. Well, and we forgot to mention the one, one eerie thing about the art starts drawing her and he loves her. Yeah, he troubled that, so he presents her worries some presents her with a gift and then that gets the atreya cookies and whatnot. But no, Yeah, they're at this gallery and they're just looking at art, and then she surprises him by showing that what he she had art submitted on his behalf, which is the one that he gave her, which we joked about because it's just like, yeah, I know the gallery. He freaked out when he saw. Yeah, he freaked out. I mean he told me no and I told him too bad. Well, and and she said, is that the art gallery owner because her parents are away? Yeah, and she's home from college. Ye, And she's like, oh, the owner of the gallery knows my parents. So I was able to yeah.

51:10 And so I mean that then he he doesn't necessarily freak out, but he's just you can kind of tell he's he's not used to this, because he's like, oh, like, you know, why didn't you ask me? She's like I wanted to surprise you. And he's like, well, that's my art, and she's like, you gave it to me. And then slowly he kind of comes into it, but he's still uncomfortable with it at first. Yeah. No, And and it's a it's a great dichotomy because as this is happening, it's juxtaposed with his mother yea, befriending this clone for the slaughter yeah, and and having human connection yeah. With her and all the while this is going on too, like two more Ashley's get killed in the process, Like she has to befriend two different clones basically. So it gets to the point where Marissa takes Spencer back home and just so happens to see Ashley staying in one of the rooms of the house and notices her. Then comes back the next day and takes a picture of her and Victoria together. Yeah, and that kind of complicates things a bit.

52:05 Well, yeah, you think. And while all this is going on, she's occasionally meeting with the father again, yeah, and talking about how her entire plan is, yes, is to pacify his need to kill because after she's fed information to this clone, and this clone has been more like the girl that he killed, Yeah, like she has a little bit more personality, a little bit some memories she implanted back into her. He felt good, Yeah, well, he feels so gross. To say he felt good after killing her. Yeah, and then Parker, his dad the entire time is just like you can't fix him, like there is something wrong with him. He needs to have a professional he needs to be seen by people, and she's just like, no, no, I can do this. So if I was to guess as to why they don't see each other, I bet he's on the other side of the world probably or something.

52:51 They're a string, I would say it sounds like, I mean, obviously they're not still married. That's very clear. Yeah, And for whatever reason, I like that we don't really find out because it's not really prudent why he's not around. He's just kind of the good voice of reason that she doesn't want to listen to. And he also never really loses his cool, like he's always kind of the same temperament and everything. He never really shouts. You know, he could have been in prison, and. That's very entirely possible too. Never thought about that. Because she does resent him a lot when he says like, this is the reality of whatever, And if you were in prison, he'd have a pretty realistic opinion of what to do with people who hurt people, especially if he's currently doing time. That's a really good I had just thought of. That really does make sense because why wouldn't prisoners be able to have like the allotted time to speak.

53:38 And also he never speaks with his son ever, No, which is also kind of strange. I had wondered it ended up not happening, But I had wondered a few times if we were going to find out he was like a computer simulation of her ex husband or something that never got revealed. Never. Ever. One thing we didn't mention is during those scenes where they're talking, they just lean in on these little tiny digital glitches that reminds you that what you're seeing as a facsimile and not reality. Yeah, and that also goes throughout the anytime the cloning process happens, we have always have like a little bit of a glitch kind of speeding things up and whatnot. Because the main thing is that she'll get the clone out of the out of the goo, put it in the shower, dress it, leave it in the bedroom, and then Spencer would usually come in, but then she starts locking the door to keep him out.

54:20 Yeah. Yeah, and all it's doing is forcing him out of the house. Yeah, because he can't be around this clone, and he can't really be around his mother. And while all that is happening, his mother is constantly being hassled by the company. Yeah, this major science company. They got a stockholders meeting, the board wants to meet, and she even it gets to the point, basically towards the climax, where she goes to the meeting and then finds out that Marissa has also found out that Ashley is a missing person and also a wanted criminal, and it's just like, what's going on, Like, what's your family up to? What what are you doing with this girl? So this basically takes us the. Well and the mom. One of the other ways she's kind of justifying what she's doing is she is saying, like this could be a breakthrough incognitive behavioral therapy for people who are prone to violence. Yea, But I think that that's mostly just her way of kind of justifying that she's putting all of her effort and resources into it.

55:19 There's a great part what she's saying, like you need to come here, and she's like, well, my name's on the side of the goddamn building. I think they trust me a little bit. And she's like they want. To hear from you, from you, Yeah, tell them this. And they even say like, am I going to have the biggest breakthrough in organ donation of all time? Is my spokesperson even going to be there? Yeah, like they want to know so. And that also tells you that she's some kind of a public facing part of this, of this organization as well. And it's clear that she's obsessed, you know, far more with helping her son, which makes sense, but this cloning process, she's basically taken it further because when she says like this could be a way to help with cognitive behavioral therapy and all this stuff, her ex husband even says like, remember how hard it was to get to get them to allow you to make just organs? Yeah, imagine how hard to be to get them to let you to let you make a whole human?

56:14 Yeah for killing? Yeah, for murder. So basically our conclusion takes us to a point that Spencer's art book becomes a huge point of focus because Ashley ends up stealing it looking through it and finds the sketchings of her bloody nose, dripping ants crawling on her face and gets very upset. Yeah, And that plays back into a lot of the flashbacks too, and also the current clones, because anytime the art book is shown, that page usually happens and that's usually what sets it off, right, So she gets the art book flips through it. By this point, Marissa has also snuck into the house because she's found out the information, and she runs right into Spencer and she's like, you know, you have to tell me what's going on. Victoria's gotten the message on the phone because she keeps a track of all her son's activities, so she sees the text from Marissa, so she's racing back home. Marissa in up unfortunately getting on his bad side and has to defend herself. But that leads to a glass getting broken and Spencer stabbing her with the glass.

57:08 But the interesting thing, and I don't know if you thought about this or not, he doesn't kill her, just like he killed no the other the other girl. He says he has to. He says, I have to do this, because she evens like, you know, you don't have to do this. He's like, no, I have to, and then he just stabs her a couple times in the chest with the glass. And I got the sense there was definitely a sense of self defense on his part, Yeah, because she was fighting back right away. Yeah. But also I got the sense that he was killing her to protect his mother. Yeah, because he has to protect her for all the messed up stuff she's doing. Yeah, which, by the way, he never asked her to do. No. Well, she even has a hard time early on with Parker because Parker is like, you know, you have to you have to see this. You have to see the process. You can't just go in and be the cleanup crew.

57:52 Yeah. One of the one of the elements that we we didn't quite mention all. I think it's it's obvious, is she never witnesses him killing these these women. Yeah. She has him write in a notepad everything that happened, how he feels. One camera, she does have the one that she watches from the bedroom, so she does see him kill on camera once. Well. Yeah, but yes, but her ex has to convince her to put a camera to do that. Yeah, that's so that she can actually see it. And she even says like, but by observing, I'm changing the results or whatever. He's like, that doesn't matter the amount of error that would come from you observing, You'll get such better information if it's not secondhand. So he makes a really good point. But also she knows what she's doing is not straight science. Yeah, it's not moral.

58:37 No, well, and we don't know how many times she's done this. That's one of my favorite lines from Ashley is so basically what happens is Ashley gets out of her room and she finds her way into the lab, finds the voicemails on her phone, finds the footage of her being created over and over again, finds all these you know, missing and wanted posters, and so that's when Victoria and Spencer realize that she's missing. Goes into the labt and Victoria like infronts her and she's like, you know, you're an incredible piece of work, Like you're a miracle. You're literally like the most special girl out there. And one thing leads to another. She gets hit with the hammer and Spencer comes in and that's when he tackles her. All this is going on, though, they're basically making a point that Ashley has no idea how many times she's been killed. She even says that to Victoria, how many times has he killed me?

59:23 Yeah? And that's chilling No, the whole thing is so is so eerie because the mother's insanity is growing. Yeah, it was very classic mad scientist concept. And he looks a couple of years younger on that first murder when I was watching it. He definitely looks younger. It might also be the way he was acting to I mean like literally, I mean like as a person, because he was very reserved by the time that he's killing these clones for his mother. Basically, Yeah, he's a little bit more assertive with his mother. He's a little bit more assertive in general until he's kind of in public, and even then, he was more confident around this new girl than he ever had been before. So there are a lot of things have changed about him.

1:00:04 Whether it was six months ago or a really long time ago doesn't necessarily matter too much. And he loves her because I mean she hits him anytime that she finds a new body, basically. And that's one thing I noticed too, is anytime he takes the slap, he looks up and then looks back at her, like he accepts his punishment, knows what he did, never lashes out towards her. His mother's protected. That's his mom. Well, and I think his mother doesn't want to accept that. It's well, she doesn't want to accept a lot of things. Yeah, but it's a crime of compulsion. And that's the problem with serial killers in general, is that they're almost always compelled because they have to inside, they feel in need. You know, they are like three times types of crimes.

1:00:46 There's crimes of profitt crimes of passion, and crimes of compulsion. And crimes of compulsion are the hardest to control period because they're not thought out, because they can't be. No, you listen to any serial killer that has multiple bodies under the under their belt. It comes always with that thing of like I just thought, this is what I was supposed to do. Well, except the ones that were like killing for higher and stuff. Yes, yeah, yeah, but which but then there you go then crimes profit. Yeah, and then of course there are people who kill because they're angry in the moment, in rhimes of passion. So you're you're right, it's this is when we start to realize that this isn't going to work. But the real, the real problem is that her son needs to be put away.

1:01:30 Yeah, and she doesn't want to do it. No, she doesn't want to give him up. It's selfish, yeah, It's it's really selfish. Yeah. So basically we get to the conclusion where she has been chased outside by Spencer. Spencer's looking around for she gets the upper hand on him, ends up killing him basically the exact same way that he kills her every time. So she strangles him passes it on the driveway. Right as this is happening, though, the cops pull up because one thing we've got to mention is that Marissa got a call off because she shouted to the system to call nine one one. So the cop show up, They pull Ashley away, put her back in the car. Victoria comes out just completely broken down by her death of her son and she's crying everything. And then the final scene she's talking to she's talking to Parker.

1:02:13 Well, remember the police, they assume that this that this is just the original person who is a wanted criminal. You just murdered this innocent young man violently. So she's in the back of the cop car crying. And no one suspects no, this famous and rich and powerful woman. Nope, they assume she's just the victim of a sad crime. So she is talking to Parker and basically says, well, actually, Parker is like, you know, I tried to tell you, like, you know this, this was nothing. You could never fix this. You try to your best, but he was always going to have this path. She's burning the document, shredding things, like all everything of his notebook, everything of the art book. All that stuff's going away. And she tells her ex, I'm going to take my severance, sell the house and go away.

1:02:58 Yeah and so and also I'm never going to see you again. Takes the thing off, breaks it in half. Which I was impressed because it was very small. It was very small. So she's in her lab watching a video of Parker, or of Spencer when he was seven years old playing with I believe it was the first dog that's not Lucky, which is Max Max. Yeah, and then we hear something bubble. We turn around into the black liquid and oh, a new Spencer's being born. And we knew, yeah, oh we knew. Yeah, we knew she was going to have to make a new Spencer. Yeah. The real question is what what does she do with the new Spencer? That's my question too, But also how did she clone? Uh? Because if you follow anything with clones you have to actually like have the baby and start that point and whatnot.

1:03:38 So well, but but but it gets it gets more murky because I mean, this is science fiction. But here's the question, here's the darkest part to me. She wants Spencer back. Mm hmm. Does that mean that she is going to train the new Spencer to kill as well because she's lost all of her morals if he was a killer? Is she going to struggle to make this clone a monster just like her? Boy? I think she is. I think she is too. I mean that everything that points to her actions in this have demonstrated that she has only cared about him and herself, because like that's one thing at the at the conclusion is she even tells Spencer like, you know, go like I'll take care of this or no. Spencer tells her to go like, you know, I'll take the raft for it, and she's like, no, We're going to do this together. So they were always in it together and this they were always going to basically be burned to the ground together. And that's what happens at this is she's lost everything and now she's just going to probably keep repeating the process until she gets it right, which is never gonna happen.

1:04:38 Yeah, And and and she refuses to accept her son for who he is and what he needs, which is probably to be locked up. Yeah. It's very very tragic, it is, and it's well played. And you know what movie reminded me of this, hm quite a bit? What was this? That one with Judge Reinold No every time? No. But you know what reminded me of this in tone was Brain Dead. Yeah, the Julie Corman producer, Yeah, and Bill Pullman. Because it was about scientists and developing all these systems and how you killing final shots and how you eventually lose your your scruples because you're so obsessed with the success of your experiments. And ironically enough, like I said earlier, that was originally supposed to be well, it wasn't on Roger Corman Presents, but it was originally a screenplay that was pitched to I want to say, The Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits. But when it wasn't bought, Corman bought it and then twenty years later or whatever, they turned it into a feature film screenplay. And it has that vibe it does. It has that same vibe of that like that weird, stilted sci fi scientists who's lost their mind concept. And I swear it's like television just is hungry for stories like that, and I love them. Well.

1:05:55 It's like I I'm always a big fan of the Brain that Wouldn't Die. And what I love about The Rain that Wouldn't Die specifically, is that it starts out as as a love story because he brings his wife back from a tragic accident. What he feels to realize is his wife is now a monster or controlling a monster, and a monster herself, so that he is trying to basically save her. But what he's doing is completely bringing his own device. And I've always loved that. M h. So yeah, but yeah no, and so this is this is one that it doesn't leave a great taste in your mouth. It's not meant to be. It's bleak. It's it's very bleak, but it does have an element of fun. I mean the world building because they're in the not too distant future, so they have you know, cell phones and tablets, but they're slightly different.

1:06:38 They're clear, and apparently they're mocked after Black Mirror because it's the only trivia that I can find is that they resemble pieces that are in black mirror. I feel like that's just a common trope. I mean, to have just a piece of plexiglass that like projects everything on it. I feel like that's just yeah. I mean, they did that in the last episode of Weeds. That is true because it took place in the future. So we don't unfortunately have any budgets or notes as But what are your final thoughts on twenty Nineteen's all that we destroy? This one is super memorable. It doesn't quite it doesn't quite exude that holiday feel that some of the ones that I kind of were my favorites had lat Yeah, but I think that this one, just as a film is really intriguing. Great performances, great concept, and I think that overall its moral its moral points are very fair as well. But they don't spoon feed it to you.

1:07:32 You kind of get there on your own, And that's something that I feel like has become less and less common to let us kind of make our own decisions instead of having some ending fucking monologue to tell us what the moral point was. Yeah, which makes me insane because we're supposed to get there on our own. That's the point of the story. I hate when there's that moment where it's like, but let me explain to you why this didn't work. Yeah, because in the end you're supposed to give up blah blah blah blah blah. Although I do think they could have been heavier with with her ex kind of saying being a little bit harsher about like you need to let him, you know, you need to let him. I'd go he's there a little bit, but not a lot.

1:08:12 I'd be curious if there's more of him on the cutting of the cutting room floor. Honestly, I doubt it because he was the biggest name in the whole that's true. Yeah, that is I actually would be I wouldn't be surprised they used every second of footage they got with him. Imagine how nice of a payday that must have been for him, though. Yeah, like on a nice walk. I want you to go on a nice walk in a beautiful arboretum and talk to this, to this beautiful actress and uh that's it, you know, and have fun. Yeah, I bet it was a great two days. But yeah, it's this. This is definitely one that I recommend highly because of the fact that it has the moral compass there, but also on top of that, you've got the great performances from everyone. Every everyone in this knew the knew the assignment and came to play. And you also are shown horrific imagery over and over again, but you kind of want to see it in the sense that you're getting more of the story each time too.

1:09:01 Yeah. Absolutely, so you're kind of left on that at that point of Okay, I understand what's going on, but like, what is the endgame of this? Yeah, and they're really isn't well And that's really her problem. It's I don't think it's a story point, a plot hole. Yeah, I think it's just character. It's she's she's gone crazy. Yeah, but she never has that wild eyed moment, which I think is what makes it scarier. Yeah, she's just she's just like, oh, well I'll do this and everything's perfectly justified. And that's terrifying. Yeah, it is, absolutely Yeah. So yeah, this is one we definitely recommend. Another one will recommend tying into the family element. This is the one. I like the body, don't wrong, I really like the body.

1:09:42 Yeah. Flesh and Blood from twenty eighteen with Dermot Melrooney. Yeah, yeah, that was before I had introduced you. Yes, and so that was the second episode, yes, and it was the Thanksgiving episode, but instead of it being some broad Thanksgiving episode like this, Yeah, this is our honorable mention of an episode you should check out. It's about a young girl who is basically a no, not basically is a prisoner. Well, she's a gorophobic, but we start to realize that she's that her father. She's kind of a prisoner of her father. Yes, and by kind of, I mean literally yes. And there's so much to it. It's so dark, it's so twisted, it's it's painful. It will hurt you. This one will hurt you, just like all that we destroy hurts you. This one will hurt you too. But you will not see it coming in the best way possible to where you'll have to finish it out.

1:10:32 Yeah, finish your turkey before you start watching that if you watch it on Thanksgiving. But it was to me, it was the hook for me because the Body was this you know, kind of cool horror movie. It had some laughs, it had some dark humor, it had you know, charming, a charming lead lead actor. And then the next one was just that. Yeah, it was it was a family. Do you like Thanksgiving? Do you like feeling bad? Yes? Yes, yes, and yes no, no, and and and I think that was what made me, Oh wow, I got to tune in. I got to tune in every month because I want to see where we're headed next. So I really, I really think that now that it's been five years since it aired, roughly the whole series, I really look back very fondly. I'm already getting nostalgia for how fun it was to watch a brand new Blumhouse movie every single month and have it to be Even the ones I didn't like that much, they took chances, they tried different things. Some of them were I was shocked how brilliant they were. Some of them I thought were a little cliche. Some of them were cliche in a really fun way. Some were cliche in a way that I didn't like as much. Some of them were a little half baked.

1:11:41 Some of them go great, and some of them just can't get that ending, but they try, and. Some of them you wish they wouldn't end. Yeah, And that's that's what I like about, is that you got something new. It's kind of like the joke about like, oh you don't like the Ramones, Well, don't worry. Every song's two minutes. You'll find when you're like, like, we'll get there. And these eighty five minute you know, Maxim movies, Yeah, they really are a lot of fun. And this is something that I've talked about on here a lot. I'm so tired of the expectation when you go to the theater or whatever is that it needs to be the new best movie you've ever had seen the wow you we're we consume media. Yeah, can it just be good? Yeah? And we just had a good time.

1:12:22 Yeah. I like that. Yeah, so like and that's what they did with Into the Dark. This show has given me, has given me both the platform to share the things I love, but also has given me the opportunity to go back on things that I that I'm like, oh yeah, I like that, Like we should talk about that, and then some you know, something like tough Turf is just like I have to have tough Turf in my life forever now, Like there's just no getting around it. I love the idea that there are things that you've already seen that you can go back and reappraise and having had the like you said, like five years since we watched this freaking hit beautifully and it was kind of that reminder of oh yeah, like even though I've seen this, you can still your mind and change things. You can pick up on and everything rewatching things in a new light, new age best experience sometimes.

1:13:07 Yeah. And and of all of these, the only one we've revisited is Pilgrim, Yeah, because it's a Baffo Soco Thanksgiving horror movie and there aren't that many. No, and it is so fun insane. So no, I really this one stands out out of the pack for being very different, very fun, and very interesting. It makes you think a lot. I like when they end kind of dowur because you know that, like in two or three of them, you're gonna get one that's kind of funny, yeah, or kind of silly. You're gonna get something different every month. Yeah, And I love that though. It's just like Tilson, the Crip, Tails and the Crib had some really fun endings, had some really down endings, and had some really like holy shit endings, and we remember it, yeah, we do. So we also like to end the show with a couple of recommendations. The first one I Have This Week from twenty thirteen is plus one, currently available on AMC Plus and IFC Films. This is three college friends hit the biggest party of the year, where miss serious phenomenon disrupts the night, quickly descending into chaos that challenges their friendships and whether they can stay alive.

1:14:06 It sounds horror esque, but I will say it leans way more into sci fi than it does horror. But Plus one was a movie that just I didn't expect to enjoy as much as I did, because it just kind of was like, oh, Clones crash a birthday party. This this sounds zany. It goes way deeper than that. Yeah, Plus one is fantastic. Second recommendation, I'm gonna go with twenty eighteen's Annihilation, currently on Paramount plus. Biologists signs up for a dangerous secret expedition in which the laws of nature don't apply. Two things about Annihilation. It's not you are not going to expect the amount of gore in this movie. Correct, it's insane? Second thing line of light watch up afterwards.

1:14:47 Yeah yeah, yeah, go with something like Kramer versus Kramer. Yeah, actually that does end in a good note. Yeah, So I as far as my selection for this show to like a movie that reminds me of it, I went a little more like to the literal feeling it gave me, and I went really recent. I went with twenty twenty three's Infinity Pool. Oh yeah, which is what I want to revisit by Brandon Cronenberg. Ironically, it's on Hulu right now. Yeah, I should rewatch that like asap. I think she'd love it. Basically, the rundown is James and m Foster are enjoying an all inclusive beach vacation in the fictional island of La Tolka when a fatal accident exposes the results perverse resorts, perverse subculture of hedonistic tourism, reckless violence, and surreal horrors.

1:15:35 It does, and it's not a big spoiler. The movie's been out a few years, but but it involves cloning. And basically, if you commit a terrible crime on this island, an unforgivable crime, all crimes basically are punishable by death, yeah, which keeps the crime rate low. But if you're rich, they'll clone you and kill and they'll execute the clone. Yep. As many times as you want. As many times as you fucking want, And it was one of those movies that as it was happening, I thought it was really jarring, yeah, which I think was on purpose. And then as I thought about it more, I was like, this is such a great example of like of of poverty tourism, yea, of going to a nation that's very poor and desperate and just doing whatever you want because you have because even I mean in a place like that, even having upper middle class puts you pretty high above the locals.

1:16:24 You should check out Cronenberg's filmography, which is Anti Viral Possessor and Infinity Pool Possessor one of the best sci fi movies I've seen in the last decade. But Super Super, Super Bleak and Anti Viral just kind of gives you that question of what would what would you do if you had all the power to basically stay beautiful and young forever? And it kind of kind of that substance realm as well, but like it goes into a place of celebrity infamy that really goes into like a deep pit. So it's not like what would you do? Because John Keijonis. Comes up out Hi Jackieyota's for what would You Do?

1:17:05 On NBC on television anyway. Yeah, Anti Viral Possessor at Finney Pool, Cronenberg Brandon Cronenberg's filmography is not for everyone, but man's those movies are absolutely worth. Yeah. I would like to check out more. Because I saw Infinity Pool in the theater. I really enjoyed it, And at first I didn't like I mean, as I was watching it, it took a while for it to click with me, and then all of a sudden like, oh, I really like what they're saying, well how they're saying. And it was at that height of me a goth with Pearl and everything, so they there was there was that more of of her being shown in the trailers, and she's really not in the movie. I mean she's in, She's in a decent amount, but not as much. She's scary as shit in the movie. She's just doing her screaming psycho routine, which does well, she does very well.

1:17:47 But I mean she's got so much work. Yeah, excuse me, so much more too. I mean, Pearl, I do think is a masterpiece. It is so I mean, just my two. I think X is a really fun slasher movie. I think Maxine is a really fun rowback slash Jallowey, you know eighties Noss. But I think Pearl is just a flat out masterpiece. I think that Pearl says so much about being creative, about being a woman, about living in a world where people expect a lot of you, yeah, and you expect a lot of yourself. And just that scene where Mia Goth talks for about a minute and a half, two minutes something like that. I mean, maybe even longer, but it's just on her. And I remember in the theater as it kept going, I was like, I am so engrossed, But the movie fan filmmaker in me is like, it's not cutting, We're just staying because she hit everything she was. It's just it was I get goosebumps thinking about it. So yeah, phenomenal film. But but yeah, I'm glad that we're diving into these. This is a fun change of pace. And I really hope anybody listening to this takes a second and checks out some of these episodes. Some of these feature films on Hulu or you know, Disney Plus with a Hulu add on, you can find them all on there too, because it really they deserve a lot of love.

1:19:01 Yeah, And I mean, and they are the longest one is ninety three minutes. Other than that, they're eighty one to ninety three minutes. Yeah, I mean you can't go wrong with that. Do we have any emails this week? Oh that's a great question. Hey, I mean I don't think so, let me double check because I'm a professional. Dammit, No, no emails, No, sorry, kids me. Well it happens. I mean, maybe if you did your hair up, people would like you more than it might be. Who maybe next week will we'll be shocked and an awed by Dave's new hairdoo. There may be a change in facial hair for for that at least. Well that's at least a promise, I believe.

1:19:42 So would you like to know what we're talking about next week as we continue marching into the dark. Hell? Yeah, we are going to go with twenty nineteen's April entry, which is I'm just fucking with you. This one's so weird. I'm so excited to revisit it because it's so freaking out there. I'm not even I got to give you this anopsis. Just know that that's the title, the legit title that we are going with next week. If their April Fool's Day episode and it's wild and fun, yeah, and weird and dark and it just gets weirder and darker. Yes, it does so well. Gosh damn, I guess that's all we got for this week. So I do appreciate everybody joining us. Remember, if you enjoyed the show, Yeah, you can comment. If you're watching us on YouTube, leave us a comment, send us an email at do you Even Movie Pod at gmail dot com.

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1:21:15 Let us know. If we get an email about somebody's favorite Into the Dark episode and it's not when we're covering, we'll do like twenty minutes about it. Yeah. I'm down with that because. I'm totally down to talk about I mean, if it was if it was reasonable, we talk about them all. But it just a reason so we'd have to do our own podcast. Yeah. Yeah, we already did. We did our time with our every week for a year TV show podcast. So uh but I guess that's it, my friend says. All there's left to say is we will clone you next Tuesday. Nice