E1: Ali and Ben Francis

Hey Ali,

I’ve listened to a fair few of your podcasts on not overthinking and now deep dive with Ali and have to say this one is your best ever. The conversation flowed so well and could tell you bought into Ben and his brand - it was a pleasure to listen to and really brought to light both sides of your stories. There was a genuine passion behind this one and would love to hear more like these. Thanks, Alex.