Love, Interstellar & Quantum Entanglement: Is Love Actually Information?

Dustin Grinnell (00:00:00 --> 00:00:39)
I'm Dustin Grinnell, and this is Curiously.

Think about a time when you first met someone you now care about or even love. You probably picked up on something when you first met. There was a spark, a resonance, a recognition. What if when you met this person, some information was acknowledged and exchanged? Something subtle and intuitive.

Beyond your conscious awareness. What kind of information are we talking about here? Where is it? A higher dimension? And who or what is receiving this information?

Dustin Grinnell (00:00:39 --> 00:00:40)
Our feelings?

Dustin Grinnell (00:00:41 --> 00:00:48)
What happens after someone you love passes away? You still love them, don't you? Some information is still present.

Dustin Grinnell (00:00:48 --> 00:00:51)
You can't explain it, but you can feel it.

Dustin Grinnell (00:00:52 --> 00:03:05)
What does she think drives the process of intuition? A phenomenon called quantum entanglement. It's the phenomenon, she wrote in an email, that tells us that we are connected by a force that means we are not separate. The second idea that she thought we should explore further was love, which she called the battery power within us that makes separation disappear. Since that exchange, I couldn't stop thinking about quantum entanglement as the possible, quote, "mechanism" of intuition.

For me, entanglement was beautifully dramatized in the movie Interstellar, which Gene and I talk about extensively in this conversation. In one important scene, three scientists are trying to decide which of two possible Earth-like planets they should use their limited power and resources to visit. They can only visit one planet, and the fate of the human species hangs in the balance. Two astronauts have already landed on these planets, and they've sent data up to these three scientists, indicating that both planets could likely sustain human life. The data is a bit stronger for one planet, inhabited by Dr. Mann, but one astronaut, played by Anne Hathaway, is drawn to the other planet, inhabited by Dr. Edmunds.

Why is she drawn to this planet? She was in love with Dr. Edmunds and missed him. And was excited about the possibility of potentially seeing him again. She speculates that perhaps this love which was drawing her to Edmund's planet was a kind of information, a potential artifact of a higher dimension that we can't consciously perceive, which was telling her that she should choose this planet over the other. She admits this reasoning isn't entirely rational from a scientific perspective, and it isn't objective either.

Dustin Grinnell (00:03:06 --> 00:03:07)
Let's listen to the scene.

C (00:03:08 --> 00:03:13)
He once said that Dr. Mann was the best of us.

D (00:03:14 --> 00:03:17)
He's remarkable. We're only here because of him.

C (00:03:17 --> 00:03:26)
And yet here he is. He's on the ground, and he's sending a very unambiguous message telling us to come to his planet.

D (00:03:26 --> 00:03:31)
Granted, but Edmund's data— is more promising.

Dustin Grinnell (00:03:31 --> 00:03:32)
We should vote.

C (00:03:32 --> 00:03:35)
Well, if we're going to vote, there's something you should know.

C (00:03:36 --> 00:03:36)
Rand.

C (00:03:37 --> 00:03:38)
He has a right to know.

D (00:03:39 --> 00:03:41)
That has nothing to do with it.

E (00:03:41 --> 00:03:42)
What does?

C (00:03:42 --> 00:03:45)
She's in love with Wolf Edmonds. Is that true?

D (00:03:46 --> 00:03:46)
Yes.

D (00:03:50 --> 00:03:59)
And that makes me want to follow my heart. But maybe we've spent too long trying to figure all this out with theory.

C (00:04:00 --> 00:04:01)
You're a scientist, Bran.

D (00:04:01 --> 00:04:15)
So listen to me when I say that love isn't something we invented. It's observable, powerful. It has to mean something.

C (00:04:15 --> 00:04:19)
Love has meaning, yes. Social utility, social bonding, child-rearing.

D (00:04:20 --> 00:04:24)
We love people who have died. Where's the social utility in that?

C (00:04:25 --> 00:04:25)
None.

D (00:04:26 --> 00:05:01)
Maybe it means something more, something we can't yet understand. Maybe it's some evidence, some artifact of a higher dimension that we can't consciously perceive. I'm drawn across the universe to someone I haven't seen in a decade who I know is probably dead. Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends dimensions of time and space. Maybe we should trust that, even if we can't understand it yet.

Dustin Grinnell (00:05:03 --> 00:05:19)
So is it possible that love could be information, a form of data? To answer these questions, we need to learn about quantum entanglement, how it might drive the intuitive process, and more. To do that, I welcome you to my conversation with Jean Maile.

Dustin Grinnell (00:05:21 --> 00:05:23)
Jean Maile, welcome to the podcast.

Jeanne Mayle (00:05:23 --> 00:05:25)
Thank you. I'm glad to be here.

Dustin Grinnell (00:05:25 --> 00:06:32)
So I should say welcome back to the podcast. We had a great episode a few episodes ago when we talked about your intuitive process and how it works, and you shared some really fascinating stories about your son and sending him protective, loving energy while he was traveling. And you talked about one of your clients and how you do a reading with them over the phone and that process. And when we finished the episode, we followed up by email, and one of the things you mentioned is maybe wanting to add a little bit more about one particular part of our conversation, and that was intuition and how it works, really kind of My driving question was, what is the mechanism of intuition? How does it work, do you think? What is that kind of— what is that process, if you know or have thoughts on it? So that's what I'd really love to talk about today, because that's what you mentioned you could unpack further. My first question before we kind of get into that is, like, let's define some key terms. Like, what is intuition for you? How do you define it?

Jeanne Mayle (00:06:33 --> 00:07:26)
I pretty much spent 30 years on this topic and working on it, honing it, studying it, doing it. And I would say that it's the ability to understand something instantly and immediately without evidence, without data, without reasoning. Which isn't to say that I wouldn't or don't use reasoning. Or sometimes we just need a structure in which to see, in which to think. But the best and most powerful intuition, in my view, is when I know nothing about something or when I feel something unusual coming to me, something different and surprising. For me, that's a sense of knowing that I've gotten.

Dustin Grinnell (00:07:27 --> 00:07:38)
Is there an example of that you can share? Is this the kind of the snap judgments we make when we first meet someone or Like the kind of like the vibes we get in certain circumstances? Is this that gut feeling? Is that—

Jeanne Mayle (00:07:39 --> 00:09:12)
That's a kind of— it's empathy in many ways. But what is empathy? It's some kind of connection It can be a connection without knowing that person at all. And so I have methods for accessing intuition. I think in all of us, we have this, we don't even know we're doing it.

But I have specific trigger methods that I use in order to be able to give a reading to somebody. And one of them is, if I'm home, I just get up and walk to the window and look out into the forest. And my love of trees and love of nature, which isn't easy, I start to see that person in the trees, in the shape of the trees. It's like projecting some thought about that person onto the forest. And I actually will see them as if they're a tree.

Dustin Grinnell (00:09:13 --> 00:09:18)
And you've attuned yourself to these impressions.

Jeanne Mayle (00:09:18 --> 00:10:41)
It's just one method. There are many methods that I use. And then there's, but it's one that is very good for me 'cause I'm so visual. And so I'm using the visual sense. And I've done a little study of this and we use our inner, you have the 6 senses or 5 senses, but there's a 6th, which I think is to do with emotion or feelings.

But you have your senses. But in fact, when you're, Being intuitive, the part of your brain that uses, let's say, the visual cortex part of your brain is activated when you're seeing inwardly. Like when I'm staring out at that forest, I have no doubt based on other research I've read about that a brain scan would show my visual cortex lighting up. So it's like inner sensing. You're using your same senses and probably a few others.

That we don't call part of our 5 senses. So I'm good at the visual, and actually many people are, but I hear things too and feel things. Just feeling sense, just an emotion, or you just get an idea. There are so many ways that intuition works, and many of it, it's unconscious. So we don't even know it's happening.

Dustin Grinnell (00:10:43 --> 00:11:22)
So one of the— like, at the tail end of our first conversation, that's where I really kind of wanted to see if you could try to describe what you thought drove intuition. Like, what is the kind of unseen force? What is the mechanism, so to speak? And in our email correspondence, you, you mentioned the phenomenon in physics called quantum entanglement, and this was a phenomenon that the scientists who discovered it, they won the Nobel Prize in 2022. So it's a really big phenomenon right now. And I was wondering if you could try to explain it in kind of plain terms.

Jeanne Mayle (00:11:23 --> 00:11:54)
So I'm not a physicist, of course, so they may have different explanations. But a lay explanation is it's an entanglement or a bond or connection that we feel or get with other people and maybe beings in which we feel what they feel. Now, the physicists would put it this way because they are observing it in the laboratory with quantum processes, like with protons and electrons and all that.

Dustin Grinnell (00:11:54 --> 00:11:55)
Like two protons.

Jeanne Mayle (00:11:55 --> 00:12:15)
Yes. And so what I've heard, the way they describe it is if you have two parts of an atom that used to be one, like they split them, and you have one far, far away from the other. It can be in the next room or it could also be on the other side of the planet.

Dustin Grinnell (00:12:15 --> 00:12:16)
Light years, light years away.

Jeanne Mayle (00:12:16 --> 00:13:41)
They've experimented with this. And then you can observe both of them through a computer at the same time simultaneously. And then you do something to one of them. Like put a magnet near it or heat. The other one instantly reacts.

And why this is so amazing and why Einstein, you know, these quantum physicists, they knew about this mathematically. They had deducted this mathematically back in 1935. I mean, it was a long time ago. And Einstein wrote about it, called it spooky action at a distance because it, in his view, It broke his law that the speed of light is the fastest that energy can move. And if something can respond that quickly, I think he's assuming that what you did to the first object traveled in some way, like energy traveled to the second object.

But I think that the theory that a lot of people have is that it's not travel. It is that we are never really separate. We're all part of one fabric, which Of course, is meaningful to me. And I've had an experience of quantum entanglement that is mind-blowing that I can share with you. I would say though, that I think it's at work in all of this intuitive stuff that we do.

Dustin Grinnell (00:13:41 --> 00:13:43)
Yeah, please share what you think.

Jeanne Mayle (00:13:43 --> 00:16:35)
It was a little painful. And I could hear my son's name. Now, my son was in his 20s, and he was, I found out much later. I mean, I sat up out of bed. I was like, "Something is really wrong with Tommy.

Something is not okay." And I actually got out of bed and went around the retreat looking for someone who was up, who would get me my phone, because they keep your phone for you. And I finally got somebody, but he refused to give me my phone. I wanted to call home. And so the next morning I did go and I said, "I want my phone." And I called home and I said, "Is everything okay with Tom?" And my husband said, "He's fine." Well, my husband was lying. It turns out that the night before when I was having this entangled feeling, Tom had been bicycling in traffic in the city and somebody opened a car door And he was thrown into traffic and hit by a car and then tossed on the sidewalk and went into shock.

And an ambulance came and they gave him oxygen and they said, you're okay. So he had a shock response and I experienced his shock response. And the reason my husband didn't want to tell me about it is he knew I was on retreat and he knew Tom was okay now, the next day. You know, let it go. Well, I couldn't let go of it.

I just knew something had happened anyway. And eventually when I got home from the retreat, my husband confessed that it had really happened. That's a real acute and obvious case of entanglement. And in the scientific experiments that they do on entanglement with people where they're trying to figure out if people really can feel each other across time and space. They use what are called bonded pairs, and they discover that people who are highly bonded, like couples, siblings, parents and children, have the strongest ability.

Dustin Grinnell (00:16:35 --> 00:16:40)
How does a couple, or you and your son, how did you get entangled?

Jeanne Mayle (00:16:40 --> 00:16:43)
Well, first of all, he was part of my body.

Dustin Grinnell (00:16:43 --> 00:16:45)
Yeah, that makes sense.

Jeanne Mayle (00:16:45 --> 00:16:57)
He split apart from my body, and that's very strong. And I feel— I have a daughter, and I feel things for her too, but this was very acute. She hasn't been in any car accidents.

Dustin Grinnell (00:16:59 --> 00:17:19)
Can I ask a really specific question? So when you woke up out of bed and your son had had his accident, were you able to kind of confirm the timing? I wanna ask, was it instantaneous versus like, I know, did your son say it happened at 7:59 and you woke up at 7:59? I think that would be really interesting versus, and I've tried, I don't know.

Jeanne Mayle (00:17:19 --> 00:18:34)
It was within a few hours, but I don't know. I got the impression that it happened actually a little bit after. And interesting about that, which is that in experiments that they've done with brain scans and bonded pairs, sometimes the receiver, which is in that case, I was a receiver, their brain scan shows a leap in their nervous system before the event happens. And what they do with bonded pairs is they have one person in a room who's the, sender, and they'll shock that person, but not in any dangerous way. Like, they'll be in a pitch-black room, and they'll turn on the lights or make a loud sound.

Or, and there's a famous case where they thrust somebody's hand into freezing cold water. And the other person was like that. And their nervous system actually leapt up, and they didn't know what was going to happen or what to expect. And so this is been able to be confirmed at a very subtle, unconscious level. What happened with me wasn't subtle and unconscious at all.

Dustin Grinnell (00:18:34 --> 00:19:26)
And it seems like everyone has this story, don't they? Especially mothers. I know I— It's huge for mothers. Drove a motorcycle for 30 days at a very long distance. And my mom wasn't too happy about that. And I even, like, tipped it over in the driveway before I left for a very long drive. And so it really— I should circle back with her and see if she ever had any experiences while I was going across the country, because there actually were two times where I got in small crises. And I wonder if I could find the day and then ask her maybe if around that time she had any experiences. Because I do feel very— entangled with her and like you are with your son. But yeah, is this kind of the— could this possibly be, like, the explanation for the spooky feelings we feel, the kind of coincidences that we have in our lives?

Jeanne Mayle (00:19:27 --> 00:20:52)
I always just knew that I was having these experiences and people would confirm them. And I was tracking what I was doing. And it would be correct. But I needed to understand why. It seems so too magical for me, for my mind.

When I found out about quantum entanglement, I was like, oh, now I understand. At least I understand that there is a fabric of reality that is difficult for humans to contemplate. And the idea that we might appear to be separate, but in fact are all one, that is the fundamental mystery to us. But there are dimensions that we know exist, but that we can't wrap our heads around. We can't know.

Dustin Grinnell (00:20:53 --> 00:20:53)
Right.

Jeanne Mayle (00:20:54 --> 00:20:57)
Or the laws of it, the laws, the physics around higher dimensions.

Dustin Grinnell (00:20:57 --> 00:21:43)
Right. Because we don't have the tools, the techniques, or the understanding of the universe yet to be able to access it in a conscious, uh, verifiable way, right? But it doesn't mean it's not there, right? Yeah. Um, when we talked the first time, we, we talked about Interstellar. That movie just kind of blew me away, and it's really like an exploration of what certain theories in physics would do to humans. For example, like interstellar time travel and what time dilation would would feel like when someone next to something with a large gravitational pull would experience 1 hour, but they would have a slower time relative to someone on Earth and they'd experience 7 years and things.

Jeanne Mayle (00:21:43 --> 00:21:57)
[Speaker:TAYLOR] Right. Einstein's theory of relativity. And I've looked at it closely too, as best as my mind can with physics. And it's very real and it's true that time is relative with speed. Right.

Dustin Grinnell (00:21:57 --> 00:22:24)
In the movie, you could have an example of Matthew McConaughey's character who kind of like leaves Earth around 35 years old while his daughter is like 12 or 13. And so then he's going out into space, he's being around large mass objects, uh, he's being around a black hole, so time is slower for him relative to his daughter on Earth. So you can have an example where at the end of the movie she's actually close to 100 years old and he's still— he's only aged like I don't know, like—

Jeanne Mayle (00:22:24 --> 00:22:25)
2 years, I think. Something like that.

Dustin Grinnell (00:22:25 --> 00:22:26)
Yeah.

Jeanne Mayle (00:22:26 --> 00:22:26)
He's like 40.

Dustin Grinnell (00:22:26 --> 00:22:28)
Yeah. Which is really bizarre.

Jeanne Mayle (00:22:28 --> 00:22:28)
Yeah.

Dustin Grinnell (00:22:29 --> 00:22:32)
So the relationship between quantum entanglement and love.

Jeanne Mayle (00:22:32 --> 00:22:33)
Yeah. Right.

Dustin Grinnell (00:22:33 --> 00:22:36)
Because in Interstellar, I think that's really explored.

Jeanne Mayle (00:22:36 --> 00:23:57)
And that, I mean, there's been research on that and mathematically it works. And so that's something that I do regularly with people and we feel the world in the future. And that goes to this issue of time being relative and also interchangeable with space, space-time. So we can get back to that though, 'cause this issue of, Love is how we make those connections. How do we connect with people across space?

How do we connect with people across time as well? And that, you know, when I first saw the movie, I thought, oh, it's cool. It's a cool movie. But then I watched it again after you pointed out a few things and it got far more interesting. And then I watched a third time and it was, I saw what he was doing and how powerful it was.

Dustin Grinnell (00:23:57 --> 00:24:10)
They had a scientific advisor, physicist Kip Thorne, advise, and he helped them imagine Gargantua, the huge black hole. And yeah, it's spot on scientifically valid. Yeah.

Jeanne Mayle (00:24:10 --> 00:27:18)
And even though it's in the future and they are able to do things and know things more than they do now, it's still followed the science. And that mattered a lot to me. And love, who first of all, they talk in the movie about the power of love as being the driving force that enables them to connect with each other. And one of them is in outer space and has far more information from a higher dimension that they can relay. The father can relay to his daughter on Earth, and she's able to solve problems on Earth that actually save everybody.

Now, that brought up a lot. I get chills thinking of it because I hadn't realized that that was a theme in the movie. But over the years, it's become a theme for me with the community that has gathered around my work. And I have a website and a forum and lots of people have joined and we read the future. We meditate as if we're meditating on this current world, but then I kind of walk people forward.

And I do it in a space kind of way too. Like, imagine that you're going forward in space, but really it's time. And that's also an interesting thing that has happened. Makes it easier for people to imagine they're in the future world. Anyway, we do all this work, and I always find that I start with loving-kindness meditation.

Let's get in a state of love. Let's get in a state of positivity. And it's very common Buddhist meditation of, may I love myself, love, may all beings feel love, may we all be okay. It's a real bonding meditation with each other when we're doing this reading the future together. It's bonding for yourself and your loved ones and for the whole world.

And I've found that we are far more accurate now than we've ever been before in what we see. And then we track what we see later. So somehow, We are using the power of love to have bigger insight, bigger sight, greater intuition increases with love. And I've also noticed over the years, 'cause I've been tracking these predictions and visions and all for many years, that the people who join my group who are going through a real negative time or They just generally are more pessimistic or negative. They don't do as well.

They think their predictions are more practical 'cause they think the world's going to hell in a handbasket, but they do tend to not be as successful in getting hits 'cause we track the hits. And the people who are the most successful have huge quantities of love for all beings, for themselves, and are positive. Sometimes I'll just tell everybody, all right, let's just think of positive things that are gonna happen. They tend to be more accurate. And then there are negative things that happen, you know, but storms and stuff and—

Dustin Grinnell (00:27:18 --> 00:27:19)
Wars and terrorists.

Jeanne Mayle (00:27:19 --> 00:27:25)
Wars and all. And we see that too, but it's all seen through a light of love, a feeling of love.

Dustin Grinnell (00:27:25 --> 00:28:49)
And when Matt Damon's character tried to kill him, and Matt Damon even says, like, "Are you seeing your children's faces?" Right? Because that activates the need to survive. Right? It's our survival instinct. It's that connection.

He's entangled with his children, strongly with his daughter, and he wants to survive for them. And he, in a really broad way, he wants to survive for humanity. That's really what the movie sets up. So there's that, and he was able to get out of that jam because of love. And then he got out of a huge jam later on when Matt Damon's character blows up the station out of cowardice.

And basically the mission's over. They're basically, they're gonna be floating in space forever. But he tries to dock with it. While it's spinning at this ridiculous speed. And it's basically impossible.

Jeanne Mayle (00:28:49 --> 00:29:50)
And we've known about other stories, but this is one that happened recently. And this woman was in a car with her kids and they— somebody bumped into them or something and they rolled over. And she had the sun— the skylight open at the time and the car landed on her head. And her kids were in the car. And this guy was a firefighter who happened to be driving by.

He got out and The kids were screaming and crying, "Mommy, mommy." You know, they were like, I don't know, there was a teenager, a young teenager there. And motivated by the power of those children is what he said, that he could hear them and all. First, he tried to lift the car and nothing. He said, "This is not, I can't do this." And then they were crying and he did it. I know that feeling of, ah, right?

Dustin Grinnell (00:29:50 --> 00:29:51)
And overwhelming.

Jeanne Mayle (00:29:51 --> 00:31:12)
Well, that feeling of you're going to, you've got to reach your highest strength because you're trying to save someone you love, or you're doing it in the name of love, which is what he was. He was empathic. He felt their love and he was, and it was in the movie, of course, because even though the movie's fiction, we know that people are able to summon superhuman strength and knowledge when they are motivated to save their own loved ones. And in the movie, that turned out to be also humanity, not just their loved ones, but humanity. Whereas the Matt Damon character, it said early on, he had no attachments. The first crew that went out to explore a place where we could all live safely, deliberately were chosen because they had no attachments. And that was a problem for those people. They all died. And whereas it was that power of love. There's one quote in the movie that really, really got me. It's when the young woman character, Amelia, Amelia Brent, and of course her name, Amelia means love, by the way. And I think the writers Used everything to—

Dustin Grinnell (00:31:12 --> 00:31:18)
Well, Christopher Nolan's famous for just being totally obsessed for multiple years on a project. And he just went all in on everything.

Jeanne Mayle (00:31:18 --> 00:31:30)
Yes. Everything he did. Yeah. Amelia, Amie. J'aime is the French word for love. Anyway, she's the one who said, let's pick the planet where there's a man I love.

Dustin Grinnell (00:31:30 --> 00:31:31)
Correct.

Jeanne Mayle (00:31:31 --> 00:32:03)
Who went there. I haven't seen him in 10 years. He's probably dead. But I feel that. And she's a scientist. And she says, I love this. She says, "Maybe love means something more, something we can't understand, some evidence, some artifact of a higher dimension that we can't consciously perceive." And then she says, "I'm drawn across the universe to someone I haven't seen in a decade who's probably dead. Love is the one thing that transcends dimensions of time and space." Again, entanglement.

Dustin Grinnell (00:32:03 --> 00:32:04)
They're entangled.

Jeanne Mayle (00:32:04 --> 00:32:15)
Yeah, yeah. Maybe we should trust that even if we can't understand it, the tiniest possibility of seeing him again excites me. It doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Dustin Grinnell (00:32:16 --> 00:32:33)
And Matthew McConaughey says in response, "Honestly, it could mean you're wrong." Right. Because you know what he's doing? He's being objective. He's being scientific and rational. Rational. And she's admitting that it's a sort of an irrational stance. But she's saying that it doesn't— I know it is, but I trust it anyways.

Jeanne Mayle (00:32:33 --> 00:33:16)
She's saying in a sense that She knows the science, but she says, love is helping me to see more, to see something at a higher dimension. Whereas this guy Mann, who has no attachments, who was a great scientist, and notice his name, Mann. He's like given the name of just feet of clay, the guy down here, the sum total of what we know in Science is what he represents. And he turned out to be lying to them. He was transmitting false data about the planet he was on because he wasn't working from love. If he had been, that wouldn't have happened.

Dustin Grinnell (00:33:16 --> 00:33:22)
He was working from— he wanted to save himself. And he said for years, I didn't push that button. I know, he was a good guy.

Jeanne Mayle (00:33:23 --> 00:33:24)
He was a good guy until he wasn't.

Dustin Grinnell (00:33:25 --> 00:33:25)
Exactly.

Jeanne Mayle (00:33:25 --> 00:35:03)
And in the group of people that have come to my community in a sense, who have been working with. We meditate every week together. Anyone's invited in. It's open to the public. But that, we do a loving kindness meditation.

We send love to the world and we send healing to people and to various types of people and to the world. And now, you know, even more to the whole planet. And that has not only bonded us, so that we're better at what we do, better at doing predictions, but it's turned into a healing thing. It all goes together, that you're able to perform acts of healing and knowing that transcend what we normally can do because of love.

Dustin Grinnell (00:35:04 --> 00:35:17)
Basically like solving quantum, the theory of everything. You're getting all this data from the middle of a black hole and then that allows you to now know, that allows you to merge relativity with quantum mechanics.

Jeanne Mayle (00:35:17 --> 00:35:18)
Very well put.

Dustin Grinnell (00:35:19 --> 00:35:20)
Yeah, that's what we're all looking for.

Jeanne Mayle (00:35:20 --> 00:38:46)
His motives are love. And it's interesting, it's gonna sound very woo-woo, but here I go. We've been doing this, what I call Circle of Light, it's a meditation every Wednesday night at 7 Eastern. Now we're adding in Monday mornings. And it's been evolving 'cause I've been doing it for, with, groups of people for 3 years.

It's a pretty core group, but anybody can join. Anyway, one of the things that's happened is I'll have us in the meditation, we start down here on the earth with just, you know, may I be filled with loving kindness, blah, blah, blah. And then we expand to a loved one and your heart is opening. That's the theory that the Buddhists espouse. And when you do this work, you start with yourself, then you Pick a loved one, it opens your heart, and then you spread it to the whole world.

So then you're sending love to all beings everywhere. And as we do that, what's evolved over time is that I'll ask us to hold hands. Now we're on Zoom, so we imagine we're holding hands and people are on the call from around the world. We're holding hands. And then this feeling of that we're rising above the earth 'cause we're sending love to the whole earth.

To the trees and the glaciers and the oceans and all the people, et cetera. And we're rise above the Earth. And I started getting, oh, at least a year ago, I started seeing, feeling that there were angels or beings above us who were way out there in space. And they couldn't as easily connect to individuals on the planet as they could if we were in this state of love and we had kind of floated up there with love for everyone. And so they would, send light to us.

This is all in my imagination, granted. But they would send light to us. This is what I was seeing. We would be filling with love and healing for ourselves. And then we would turn and pass that on to the Earth, right?

We get very nice responses from people who we've named, who are suffering or sick. There's no Probably not too many ways to prove what we're doing is working, but I can just say that it feels right. And they all, these people who I work with are level-headed, well-educated people, and they really see it. And the one last thing is that we have one superstar among us who is very good at seeing the future. She doesn't give readings to people, but she is, just loaded with light.

Dustin Grinnell (00:38:47 --> 00:39:15)
What would you tell him? That he needs to work on? We know what he's missing. We know he's missing attachments. He's not Matthew McConaughey.

He doesn't have children. He doesn't have that kind of concrete love for humans. What is he missing? Because I feel like there's more Dr. Manns in the world than there are McConaugheys or Brands. And so what are we— what's gone?

Jeanne Mayle (00:39:15 --> 00:40:31)
I would want him to— my own approach to this this problem is, I would meditate with him and start with a meditation where you feel your own self and your senses and get you in a state of connecting, not with your ticker tape mind, but with your physical senses. And then I would move into the Buddhist loving kindness. And there's a term, it's called metta. It's an ancient word that in Pali, the original language of the Buddhists that Wasn't written down, but what I have is an American translation of it. May I be filled with loving kindness.

May I be held in loving kindness. And I would have him do that every day. And what would likely happen to somebody like that who's so disconnected is, you know, you start with yourself, then you bring in some people you really, really love, and then you expand to others. And after a while, If you're focusing as you do it, people are going to start to remember their parents, their siblings, their children. They're going to— even somebody like Mann, who's been away for 10 years, would start to recall the attachments that he really does have.

Dustin Grinnell (00:40:32 --> 00:41:07)
It's funny because the way I met you, I think, is very what I would— before you know, getting this vocabulary of entanglement, I would just call it sort of random. Because I was actually just driving through your area with someone I was dating at the time, and we just thought it would be interesting to see a psychic. And we Googled that in your town, and we found you, and we, we called you, and you gave us readings that day. And, and then, you know, I think we did another, a second reading like a year later or something, and then we did a podcast, and now you're here again. And it's like Are we entangled?

Jeanne Mayle (00:41:07 --> 00:42:08)
Oh yeah. And that first random occurrence where you picked my name and came to see me, I would say is definitely not random in my view. And again, people can challenge that who don't believe in this, but energy is mysterious to us and attraction, magnetism. And if I were to say, well, what is it about it that wasn't random? I would say your desire to find answers in new ways. I mean, you read to me as a very positive person who's open to new possibilities. And it feels like you're motivated by love. You were in a relationship. And if you had been alone though, I think it could have happened because you inwardly have a relationship or an intention to have love, to have more knowledge, and to break new boundaries, right?

Dustin Grinnell (00:42:08 --> 00:42:09)
Yeah, new ground.

Jeanne Mayle (00:42:09 --> 00:43:56)
And so you're much more likely to reach beyond what you already you already know, which is what you were doing. And what is your goal? I mean, your goal is to help people. It's to learn new ways of healing and to do more. You're clearly that kind of person.

And so that's what I think brought you to me. Because on my end, I made a goal years ago, and I kept getting it stronger, kept coming through stronger and stronger in me, that I only wanted people to come and see me who wanted to expand themselves in a positive way, who wanted to evolve. Evolve is the new word that I've been using a lot lately. I ask for myself, please help me evolve, whatever it takes. Intention is a kind of entanglement with love, with yourself in a way, a desire to go higher.

And whoever out there can help us, Maybe it's our ancestors. Maybe it's beings from beyond. But when we ask to evolve or for anything to go higher, to get to be better in some way, I think we bring them in and they help us. And we don't even know it, but they're helping us. Like, we get ideas.

Dustin Grinnell (00:43:56 --> 00:44:54)
One thing I love about your work and explanations, it's, it's sort of devoid of all possibility of quote-unquote like New Age thinking, you know, and yet it still sort of is in a way. It's just more grounded in scientific understanding and rationality. And personally, I think in my 20s I was more interested in sort of law of attraction and these types of understandings and more metaphysical things. And then maybe in like my mid-30s, I went kind of through a period of like thinking it's crap, you know? And I sort of like discounted it. But I feel like I'm kind of like circling back to it now with a little bit more of like a being more confident about the foundation on which I'm thinking about these things. Because in a way, like, yeah, you're talking about if you have this intention It is kind of a force, isn't it? It's a force that opens up things for you. And this is the power of having dreams.

Jeanne Mayle (00:44:54 --> 00:46:41)
The boat will gradually take you there to where the anchor is. And I think intention does that. It takes you there. And as far as the process of Accepting New Age ideas, and then rejecting, and then revisiting. That's just the— that's the growth process, right?

You bring in something, it's synthesized, and then you fall apart, and you rebuild yourself. Your mind, your ideas fall apart, and you rebuild them. And so, for me, I had a brief period where I was embracing lots of holistic ideas. But I like to figure things out for myself. I don't like to read too much stuff about what people are saying is true out there or talk to too many other intuitives.

The people who've come to the community I'm in were fresh. They were intuitive people, but they weren't professionals. Now they're starting to become professionals. And And so I really like that I've come upon a lot of this, my ideas, alone because they're fresh. And one of my key ways of telling whether some intuition I'm having is correct is that it's unique or different than anything I've experienced.

Dustin Grinnell (00:46:42 --> 00:46:44)
You favor your direct experience.

Jeanne Mayle (00:46:44 --> 00:47:28)
I favor my direct experience. And for many years before I even knew about, say, entanglement or any of the research that's been done, I was giving readings and shocked that they were coming true and thinking, how can this be? This doesn't make any sense to me. Love is what pulled me forward. Not necessarily love of a person, but love of the work. I love doing the work and giving readings. I also felt whenever anyone showed up on the phone or at the door, now I only do on the phone, for a reading, my feelings of love for them would become really big. And I don't know where that comes from.

Dustin Grinnell (00:47:28 --> 00:47:29)
I was gonna ask, yeah.

Jeanne Mayle (00:47:29 --> 00:48:44)
Yeah, I don't know. All I know is that For some reason, it's like it's an altered state. And I've had that from the very beginning where if somebody says, could you read this? And we've set the time aside and there's some boundaries so that I'm not just pulled out of my day. But as soon as I pull a card or just look out into the forest, something comes over me that is so loving and beautiful. I tend to think that what's happening is intermediate. I'm an intermediary, that there are others involved. And sometimes I don't call myself a medium, but sometimes I see beings there. And like right before you and I started talking and I closed my eyes and I just started filling myself up with loving kindness, I was like, bing, I could see this angel or this light way off appearing. And I thought, okay, time to start. Now we can start because there's something out there that's guiding me and that I can be an intermediary for. And that's another form, I guess, of entanglement as well, when we're trying to stretch ourselves to knowledge that is greater than what we normally have.

Dustin Grinnell (00:48:45 --> 00:49:15)
It feels like everything is better when love is behind it. I mean, I think of a piece of art, right? You can tell when there's a intense love for the process. And people even say, like, "What did you put in your food?" "I put love in it." You know? It means they cared about it. They were thoughtful. And you know when a piece of art or a movie— think about Interstellar. I'm telling you, they were in love with that story. You just know it. You sense it.

Jeanne Mayle (00:49:16 --> 00:51:07)
There was a movie recently that I saw, Maestro, about Leonard Bernstein. And I watched the movie through those eyes. And Bradley Cooper is just an incredible actor playing Bernstein. He also co-wrote the script and directed it. He's quite a talent.

But what he was really good at was showing the intense love and altered state that Bernstein went through when he was conducting. And I remember as a college student, and after that, I was really into classical music for a long time. And the only time I would spend money on an LP of classical music was if Leonard Bernstein was conducting it, it was going to be just outstanding. And I didn't understand any of that then. But it's captured in the movie.

The man is in an altered state when music is involved. And whatever else you say about him as a person, as a human, you know, which that was all in the movie too, his negativity, his like, you know, sort of narcissism and all that. Driving his wife and his kids crazy. His love of music is how he reached superhuman heights. And there's a couple of moments.

There's one where he's conducting an entire piece in a church. It's Mahler, I think. It isn't his own. And it's just superhuman. He is superhuman.

Dustin Grinnell (00:51:07 --> 00:51:19)
What's interesting is that, yeah, didn't we used to have the idea of muses? And these muses were nine gods that came down and kind of assisted and supported the artists. And then we got rid of them. And now artists are sort of on their own.

Jeanne Mayle (00:51:19 --> 00:52:29)
And just the word inspire is a spiritual root in that word of having something you breathe in that comes from another realm or comes from space, the ether. So yeah, it's true. All of these. I think the word intuition might even come somewhat from some old French word that is again, like inspiration. So what other word?

Enthusiasm from the Greek means God within you, spirit within you. And if you are enthusiastic, which is what these musicians certainly were, which is what I have been once I started giving readings and discovering this power. It's a love that is coming into me from who knows where. I think higher beings. I feel it more and more.

Dustin Grinnell (00:52:30 --> 00:52:45)
It pains me to take it to a negative counterpoint because I don't want to, but I feel it, that it's out there. But what if people's spigot is turned off? What if that wall is up and they can't get access to that love?

Jeanne Mayle (00:52:45 --> 00:52:47)
Oh, like the man in the movie.

Dustin Grinnell (00:52:47 --> 00:52:58)
Yeah. It's like, what do you tell someone? What do you tell yourself if the spigot is off? If you don't have access to the love that seems to drive really extraordinary outcomes?

Jeanne Mayle (00:52:58 --> 00:53:36)
It means you're not okay. You're suffering. And you need to first figure out what it is that's causing you to be so cynical or negative. And where does it start? Or what can you do to regain that openness?

And, you know, for me, it's like, I mean, I have my moments. It's turn off the news, go for a walk in the woods. The trees are always going to offer something beautiful and kind. Wildlife. You know, people are getting dogs now, puppies.

Dustin Grinnell (00:53:37 --> 00:53:39)
Even our pets just fills you with joy.

Jeanne Mayle (00:53:39 --> 00:54:06)
Yes. So anything that causes you to, you know, let go, break away. And if you're in a really negative relationship, well, that has to be addressed. And lots of people become codependent to somebody who's just Pulling their energy from them in order to help them. And all of those issues, those phenomenon need to be addressed. And then sit back and see where you are.

Dustin Grinnell (00:54:07 --> 00:54:08)
See if you can connect.

Jeanne Mayle (00:54:08 --> 00:54:41)
See if you can connect and get inspired. And I mean, some people lose inspiration for what they're doing because it just doesn't serve them anymore. Maybe it goes dead in some way. And that happens to everyone. And so they have to, again, be willing to let go. Of what they've been working on and take a break. That's what sabbaticals are for. Take a break. That's what vacations are for. And take care of themselves. I think we really are designed for love as long as we're well.

Dustin Grinnell (00:54:42 --> 00:56:04)
Brand, Anne Hathaway's character, and Cooper, Matthew McConaughey's character, were entangled. They became entangled. Well, we have a sense at the end of that movie that they will fall in love and live on Edward's planet and literally start a new— right— population of humans there. I think they became entangled throughout the story. And you even see at the end of the movie when Matthew McConaughey is in the black hole, he's in the kind of cube within a cube thing, right before he gets kind of ejected out of it, he helped his daughter, you know.

Then he get— right before he gets ejected out of it, there's almost like this moment of like light, almost like it's heaven or something. And that's when he pushes on the space, and that's when earlier in the movie Anne Hathaway sees the ghost. She sees the, the hand come and she makes contact with it. And then I think that that's when they became entangled. Like, I think Then he's ejected out, and then he gets discovered by humans, and he meets his daughter and all the rest.

Jeanne Mayle (00:56:05 --> 00:57:01)
Yeah. They had, you know, they had things happen with each other during their flight together. They had suffered through some huge disappointments. It's funny because when people ask me, how can I meet somebody? How can I find love? I'm always saying, go volunteer somewhere and get involved in situations where there's difficulty. And you may this way find some people or a person who you've suffered through thick and thin with and that can create a bond because you start to see the whole person. You bond in all ways, not just because they're attractive, you know, physically good-looking, or not just because they're rich or because they went to the same college. It's much more whole when you do things together. So those two people in the spaceship, first of all, they suffered horribly together because—

Dustin Grinnell (00:57:01 --> 00:57:02)
They lost the whole crew.

Jeanne Mayle (00:57:02 --> 00:57:10)
She wanted to go to this one planet, which turned out to be the correct choice. And he said no because they were voting.

Dustin Grinnell (00:57:11 --> 00:57:12)
She got really mad at him for that too.

Jeanne Mayle (00:57:12 --> 00:57:12)
Oh, yes.

Dustin Grinnell (00:57:12 --> 00:57:15)
She said, "Oh, you're going to be as objective when it's your kids?" Yeah. You know?

Jeanne Mayle (00:57:16 --> 00:58:19)
And she suffered a horrible disappointment because she didn't get to go where she wanted. And then they also had a situation where she delayed while they were down on the first planet. And disobeyed him and delayed. And it caused really bad problems. They actually lost a crew person and they lost 27 years.

And so they went through all this together. And they nearly all died together and he saved them. And so, you know, he disappointed her, she disappointed him. And then there was a moment right before they parted where they had their little space helmets on, which again, everything is symbolic in this movie and beautifully done. They're still separated in some way by this plastic glass, but they clink their heads together.

Dustin Grinnell (00:58:20 --> 00:58:54)
[Speaker:JOSH] You know what I really loved about that too, is at the very end, and I actually only caught this, when I recently watched it, is that I don't think she knew— so Dr. Brand's on Edward's planet. I don't think she knew she could breathe air. I don't think she knew that, and she took her helmet off. Ah, I think she took it off and she was like, all or none. She's like, if I die because this isn't breathable air, I die because I'm alone anyways. But if I take it off, that means something. It's like faith, you know. And I think that was, to me, such an act of faith.

Jeanne Mayle (00:58:54 --> 00:58:54)
Yes.

Dustin Grinnell (00:58:54 --> 00:58:55)
You know?

Jeanne Mayle (00:58:55 --> 00:58:59)
Yes. Yeah, I missed that. That's really cool. I'll go back and look again.

Dustin Grinnell (00:58:59 --> 00:59:08)
And then she walks down to the kind of well-lit colony. And then bang, it's over. And we know that Matthew McConaughey is on his way to her.

Jeanne Mayle (00:59:08 --> 00:59:25)
Yeah, I know. We know that it was a complete success, that they're able to repopulate and save humanity. Through love, through incredible amounts of incidences of love. It's really wonderful.

Dustin Grinnell (00:59:25 --> 00:59:30)
Anything else that you brought in your notes and that you want to talk about?

Jeanne Mayle (00:59:30 --> 00:59:57)
Yeah, there's so many wonderful things. I just want to see if I wrote anything. I feel like we are, as humanity, we are all entangled. And we're not only entangled with all of each other, After all, we all started out as one 200,000 years ago or before, way before, as single-celled creatures floating in for millions of years floating around.

Dustin Grinnell (00:59:57 --> 01:00:00)
Call that like a mother cell, just like your son came from your body.

Jeanne Mayle (01:00:01 --> 01:02:25)
And it includes the trees and the earth and all of the earth and the oceans and everything. So if we wish to wake up to it, we are entangled with all beings, basically. It's just that the people of our immediate families, they're going to speak the loudest to us. That bond is so strong, it can knock you over. It can wake you up.

If you reach for that bond with all of beings, all of the Earth, you'll find it. And that's what we do at the Circle of Light. That's what I do every week when I guide people who come, is we we connect and reach for the bond with all beings, with everything. And I think it's the most natural state. It's like returning to our natural state of wholeness as opposed to separateness.

And I have noticed changes in me, which it's hard to know if it comes from doing the loving-kindness work or it's just a natural evolution. But My connection with trees and with animals has changed. Wild animals and all animals and all beings in the ocean. I feel so much more connected. It pains me to see a tree cut down.

And I feel connection when I'm in the forest. In fact, when my son was traveling around the world, backpacking around the world, which I mentioned in the first podcast, it was a moment of fear that I went out into the woods and turned to the tallest tree and said, "Is he going to be okay? Is he okay?" There was no body distress that I felt. It was just worry. It was just maternal worry.

And I was comforted. I was, "He's fine. He'll be fine." And he was fine. So who knows where it all comes from? It could be just that I was so at home in the forest But I feel like they have a kind of consciousness or wisdom in the forest.

And anyway, I feel this connection with all beings. And it isn't every minute. If I'm not well or if I'm harassed or I'm stressed or something, it's amazing how connection just crashes and falls apart. And that's the sign to get it back. Take care of yourself.

Dustin Grinnell (01:02:26 --> 01:03:29)
You know, I keep bringing it back to this movie, but I said this idea of, like, Nolan and the filmmakers, all of them, they really put love into it, as if you'd put love into your food or something for someone you care for. I almost think of it as, you know, that piece of art, cinema, it's like a love letter to humanity, I think, because what it's saying is, like, All right, we don't have the tools, technologies, techniques, understanding of the universe to really like prove out quantum entanglement, but I can pretty much in my gut as a filmmaker tell you that it's real. You know it's real, but I'm sorry, we just don't have the, the tool yet. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to make a piece of art about it. You're going to sit in it and it's going to raise your consciousness about the possibility of things being out in the universe that you can't see They're invisible, but they're there. We're just not there yet as a species. We just don't have the tools yet or the understanding yet. But here's something for you. It's almost like a proof in a way.

Jeanne Mayle (01:03:29 --> 01:05:51)
And artists see things. I mean, certainly the internet was never ever seen by any psychics or any regular kind of people engaged in regular activities, except that it was seen in the short story Fahrenheit 451. Ray Bradbury saw television. And then I think television had happened. It had just happened.

And it was 1951 or so. And then from there, he saw the internet. He saw interactive screens, giant screens in people's homes and interactive, and how that medium was used by negative, nefarious means to control whole populations. And that was from fiction. That was from his imagination.

And, you know, The Jungle was a book written by Upton Sinclair in 1903, in which he wrote a fictional account about depravity, you know, in the meatpacking plants of America. But it was a story, and it completely swept the world, the US, and they, the Congress revamped meat inspection and to make, and also to make meat plants safer for people. I mean, it's interesting how I was thinking about this while I was watching Interstellar, how love, which is what happens when you see a really great work of art. If you're conceiving a great work of art, there is some kind of imagination, worldly love that flows through you. And that's where knowledge comes from.

And if you're receiving that work of art, it gets to you. It affects you. You feel it. So I mean, years ago when I was a freshman, I started out as a freshman at UMass. I was a Lit major.

I had to declare a major. And I was really interested in psychology. And actually, I think I started out not as a Lit major, but as a Psych major. And then it was so data-driven and technical and rats in mazes. And I was like, I changed my major.

Dustin Grinnell (01:05:51 --> 01:05:53)
I felt the same way. Yeah, it was statistics and yeah.

Jeanne Mayle (01:05:53 --> 01:06:25)
And I told, interesting that you went through this too. And I told the advisor, who was like, "What are you doing?" And I said, "I'm going to learn a lot more about psychology and about human nature from literature than I'm ever going to learn from this study of psychology. It's limiting and it's not correct. It's not enough." And I don't know, for an 18-year-old, I guess somehow I had that knowledge. And I agree with it still today.

Dustin Grinnell (01:06:25 --> 01:06:32)
That's why we're talking, because it's narrow. No, it's narrow. And there's a lot more going on. And I'm sorry you can't pick it up in the lab.

Dustin Grinnell (01:06:34 --> 01:06:34)
I'm just—

Jeanne Mayle (01:06:34 --> 01:07:45)
They may not believe it, but they get that art is giving them something. And that's why they go and look at it. It isn't just a pretty picture or a nice-sounding piece of music, it isn't always beautiful. If it's true. If it's true.

Certainly Picasso's great mural of war that is now in Spain, used to be in New York, and I used to look at it when I lived there. What's it called? Guernica is a very upsetting and disturbing piece of art about pain and grief and war and dead bodies and screaming women and babies. And yet, It is so good. It's so beautiful because it's true.

And so you can fall in love with truth. It doesn't have to all be positive or lovely. And if you can express truth, then it's intrinsically connected with love. And then it's beautiful. And we're in love with it.

Dustin Grinnell (01:07:46 --> 01:07:49)
Yeah, I pulled a quote from Stephen King.

Jeanne Mayle (01:07:50 --> 01:07:50)
Oh yeah.

Dustin Grinnell (01:07:50 --> 01:08:19)
And he said, stories are found things like fossils on the ground. Stories are relics, part of an undiscovered pre-existing world. And I think that's someone talking who can get really deep and can go really, really deep and get access. And whether it's love that's driving him, it could be, but it's like he, he sees the story full and complete, and he's like just digging around like a fossil, like a paleontologist would like brush away dirt or something, you know?

Jeanne Mayle (01:08:19 --> 01:08:31)
Yeah, he's written some some great stuff, including he wrote a book on writing, which is fantastic. And Elizabeth Gilbert wrote Big Magic, which is also about creative process.

Dustin Grinnell (01:08:31 --> 01:08:34)
And she has a famous TED Talk as well about the muses.

Jeanne Mayle (01:08:34 --> 01:09:18)
And then it will come to you. And you act on it. And if you don't act on it, it can go away. It can leave you. And also, one artist can hand it to another artist.

She talks about that too. Yeah, I love that. I think it's true. And how do you know that it's visiting you? I'm going say, enthusiasm, excitement.

Dustin Grinnell (01:09:18 --> 01:09:18)
That's right.

Dustin Grinnell (01:09:18 --> 01:09:28)
It just kind of gets its teeth in you. And it says, I'm not gonna let you go. This one, I'm gonna keep coming back until you act on it. Yeah.

Jeanne Mayle (01:09:28 --> 01:09:41)
Which is also totally separately, I've arrived at over the years, how intuition, how you know when something you're intuiting is worthy of your attention.

Dustin Grinnell (01:09:41 --> 01:09:43)
Worthy of years in some cases.

Jeanne Mayle (01:09:43 --> 01:11:21)
And I tell that to students and just pay attention. Don't push things out of your mind just because somebody, some naysayer you grew up with tells you, "Oh, that's bull." Amen. Yeah. Just go with that feeling. And I've done that so many times in my life.

And when I do that, because I am kind of, sort of willful, do what I want to do, it's paid off. And if I stop feeling those feelings of enthusiasm I know about something I work on, I know it's time to take a break and reconfigure and see. And sometimes just doing nothing for a while, or what seems like nothing, you know, cleaning the house, doing dishes. Yeah, taking on other projects actually frees your mind and then a new vision comes or a new desire comes in your work. And that's how people can, if they want to be happy in their work, if they want to do something that is going to bear out over time, then they should listen to those enthusiasms, those moments, those feelings.

To me, they're coming from the future. They're coming from this ever-changing world. And So watch out for decisions that you make that are really probably anachronistic. They're old. They're based on the past because you think, "I should, I should." No, go with what drives you and what excites you.

Dustin Grinnell (01:11:22 --> 01:11:36)
So we are pretty much at the end of time. Is there any anything else that you would like to say in closing about entanglement or the movie or love or the intuitive process?

Jeanne Mayle (01:11:37 --> 01:12:49)
And there's always more. Every idea on these topics excites me and makes me want to break through to more. I have so— right now I have literally thousands of Visions that me and my team have made that have come true over the years. And I'm now exploring like, well, why? How does that work?

And sometimes it feels as though there's a message in the hits that we have. Like if you look at them, you start to think like, is that higher dimension trying to talk to me? Is it trying to tell us more? Is it giving us a sense of where the world is going and where we need to go? So that's a pet project that is going to take some work to tease out.

And I try to inspire people in my group to take it up. And so I don't have to do all of it, but it's a constant adventure. It's a great mystery. You and I were talking about the great mysteries. And so How can we ever tire of this?

Dustin Grinnell (01:12:50 --> 01:13:14)
It's infinite. You know, you learn about entanglement now that, you know, releases something and new questions come up. And yeah, it's sort of— in Interstellar, Matthew McConaughey talks about humans being explorers by nature. And I think we're explorers of the human spirit and, you know, trying to figure out the great mysteries of human life.

Jeanne Mayle (01:13:14 --> 01:13:39)
And we have to allow ourselves to use our imaginations to ponder what if this is true. And we have to allow ourselves to feel we know things as well, even when other people go roll their eyes. We have to not be held back by disbelief, cynicism. It's not productive.

Dustin Grinnell (01:13:40 --> 01:13:45)
And just to circle back to what you said, it's like if you are in that state, you said you're in need of healing.

Jeanne Mayle (01:13:45 --> 01:13:46)
You're in need of healing.

Dustin Grinnell (01:13:46 --> 01:14:00)
And that's really huge, you know. And that healing could come through a walk in the woods or being with a loved one, or through love. Through love. Love gets you through that so that we don't become Dr. Man.

Jeanne Mayle (01:14:00 --> 01:14:31)
We're more like the, you know, we don't stay stuck in down here with feet of clay. We get to expand and stretch. And I believe that love and trusting positive visions and trusting what we're hearing over and over again inside our gut and ourself is a really important tune to follow. And that fiction and art have answers for us that science might not have discovered yet.

Dustin Grinnell (01:14:32 --> 01:14:34)
Totally. Well, thanks for this.

Jeanne Mayle (01:14:34 --> 01:14:35)
You're welcome. It was fun. Thank you.

Dustin Grinnell (01:14:35 --> 01:14:45)
Awesome conversation. It's just affirming and illuminating. It's just positive too. And thanks for watching Interstellar 3 times.

Jeanne Mayle (01:14:45 --> 01:15:11)
And if it's positive like that, there's something true about it. You know that truth is beauty, beauty is truth. That's all you need to know. Keats, Ode to a Grecian urn. Keats only lived like 27 or 28 years, the poet, and what genius and what an offering, because that really in some ways summarizes everything we've been talking about.

Dustin Grinnell (01:15:12 --> 01:15:13)
I think we'll leave it at there.

Jeanne Mayle (01:15:14 --> 01:15:14)
All righty.

Dustin Grinnell (01:15:14 --> 01:15:15)
Thank you, Jean.

Dustin Grinnell (01:15:17 --> 01:15:40)
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